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Titolo: Hezbollah impressive in battle, Israeli soldiers say

Una cosa e' certa, si stanno difendendo al meglio dello loro possibilita'.
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K
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There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.
(Sun Tzu, The Art of War)

 
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Anche i tedeschi erano ottimi soldati ma:
A. Erano delle merde.
B. Hanno perso.
Palmiro Pangloss

 Una cosa e' certa, si stanno difendendo al meglio dello loro possibilita'.
Hanno qualcosa da perdere?
I baluardi della democrazia, con l'incoraggiamento di Sinistra per Israele
(per quel che vale), usano invece degli "strumenti" decisamente poco
costruttivi con i quali hanno una certa esperienza.
[...]
In addition to special forces, the IDF has started using bulldozers, tanks
and demolitions to clear paths for troops in an effort to minimize
casualties. But deploying these tools slows the offensive.
[...]
a Nablus in questi giorni stanno demolendo un bel po' di edifici, ma lì
non hanno fretta.
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 B. Hanno perso.
Ma quanti alleati ci hanno rimesso la pelle...
IMHO Israele sta pagando il prezzo della propria arroganza. Gli ha 
sottovalutati.
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 sottovalutati.
Se quancluno consoce bene Hezbollah e' proprio l'IDF.
Palmiro Pangloss

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Ottimo. E' quello che immaginavo.
Mi dai la fonte?
Tb 

 Se quancluno consoce bene Hezbollah e' proprio l'IDF.
E viceversa...
K
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Do un esempio, tratto dal NY Times di oggi, niente di molto entusasmante:
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Israeli military officers said the offensive on Bint Jbail began Sunday, 
though they gave slightly differing accounts on how far Israeli troops 
had advanced.
The military spokesmanąs office said the troops were on the outskirts, 
fighting their way in as of Monday evening. But Capt. Mitch Pilcer of 
the armyąs northern command, said, łWeąre definitely in there, we 
control it, though there are still pockets of resistance.˛
Soldiers in a rear staging area near the Israeli border town of Avivim 
said they had encountered sustained fighting and faced land mines, 
artillery fire and antitank rockets.
When asked what it was like in Lebanon, one member of an armed bulldozer 
crew who would give only his first name, Noam, because of the Israeli 
Army policy that prohibits soldiers from talking to the press without 
authorization, said there had been ****an enormous amount of antitank 
missile fire****.
He said the monstrous, olive drab bulldozers that the Israeli Army used 
to clear roads and demolish buildings drew heavy fire.
łItąs not Lebanon, itąs Afghanistan,˛ he said.
For a time, the Israelis were focused on efforts to rescue the crew of a 
disabled tank, which had come under heavy fire. Some, if not all, of the 
four crew members inside were wounded, soldiers said.
They said one of the wounded was a battalion commander and others said 
one crew member had been killed. They were eventually recovered and the 
wounded were sent to hospitals in Israel, the soldiers said.
At the Menara Kibbutz on a high ridge overlooking Lebanon, streams of 
smoke drifted from the town of Mes e Jbail, apparently from Israeli 
shelling. Fires burned elsewhere across the otherwise gentle landscape.
Bint Jbail, also smoking, could be glimpsed in the distance. Below the 
kibbutz, on an outcropping, sat a United Nations observer outpost, built 
of cinder blocks and concrete blast walls. The United Nations observers, 
meant to monitor the border after Israeląs withdrawal, could do nothing 
but watch.
The push for Bint Jbail comes after the Israeli forces moved into Marun 
al-Ras, a smaller town closer to the border. It, too, is set on a 
hilltop and Hezbollah has used it as a crucial base, the military said.
While the Israeli forces were in Marun al Ras, they continued to come 
under fire from Hezbollah forces, beginning early in the morning, the 
military said. Marun al Ras is just a short distance across the border, 
and there have been clashes between Israeli and Hezbollah forces in the 
area for the past six days.
An Israeli helicopter returning from a mission to Lebanon crashed on the 
Israeli side of the border, killing both crew members, the military 
said. Hezbollah said it had shot down the helicopter, but the Israeli 
military said it believed the crash was caused by a technical problem.
Though Israeląs military and political leaders say they do not want to 
undertake a major ground offensive in southern Lebanon, but only want to 
clear Hezbollah fighters and weapons from the border region, the past 
several days of fighting have demonstrated that doing so will take time.
One Israeli officer, who asked not to be identified because he was 
speaking without authorization, said that in a full-scale war, the 
military would simply bypass those small villages and push north, coming 
back later to mop up when the main objective had been reached. łWeąre 
doing the opposite here,˛ he said.
The Israeli military has found a well-protected network of bunkers and 
tunnels, with large stocks of Katyusha rockets and other weaponry. So 
far, the operation has not slowed the Hezbollah rocket fire.
More than 80 rockets crashed into northern Israel as of Monday evening, 
wounding about 20 people, the military said. The rockets again touched 
off brush fires, turning the clear summer sky gray with smoke in the 
town of Kiryat Shmona, which was hit by a heavy barrage in the afternoon.
Avi Dichter, Israeląs public security minister, said the military 
objective in southern Lebanon was to weaken Hezbollah to the point where 
it could not seriously threaten Israel from the border area.
łFrom an Israeli perspective, the target is not to totally dismantle 
Hezbollah,˛ said Mr. Dichter, a former director of the Shin Bet security 
agency. Israel, he said, was łhoping that somehow weąll succeed in 
setting up a new situation between Israel and Hezbollah.˛
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