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Titolo: [debka] L'intelligence palestinese accusa Hamas della strage

Una catena di trappole esplosive piazzate sulla spiaggia per fermare i commandos 
  israeliani. Questa la causa della distruzione della famiglia sulla spiaggia di 
Gaza, almeno secondo quanti riferisce Debka, citando i risultati di una indagine 
congiunta di intelligence israeliano-palestinese-egiziana.
Secondo l'intelligence palestinese, impegnata in una faida di sangue con Hamas, 
dozzine di persone sarebbero state viste sulla spiaggia a ripulire la scena 
dell'esplosione dagli ordigni.
E' Debka: da leggere cum grano salis.
Tb
DEBKAfile Exclusive: Hamas suspected of planting a daisy-chain bomb trap on Gaza 
beach to trap Israeli naval commandos
June 11, 2006, 10:43 PM (GMT+02:00)
Israeli leaders have ordered army commanders to put their counter-missile 
offensive on hold pending the findings of the military probe into the deaths of 
seven Palestinians, including children, on Gaza’s beach Friday, June 9. 
Cooperation between US, Israel, Palestinian Authority and Egyptian intelligence 
has yielded an initial impression that the blast that caused seven Paletinian 
deaths on a Gaza beach Friday, june 9, was caused by one of a series of bombs 
Hamas planted last week on the northern Gazan beach. They were put there as 
daisy chain traps in case Israeli commandos landed by sea to take Qassam missile 
launchers in northern Gaza by surprise. The theory gaining ground is that the 
Palestinian picnickers had the bad luck to detonate one of those bombs.
The day after the mishap, Saturday, dozens of people were sighted combing the 
scene of the blast and removing the bombs, according to information passed to 
Israel by Palestinian intelligence, which is engaged in a blood feud with Hamas
To explain this Palestinian helpfulness, DEBKAfile’s sources reveal how the 
close Abu Mazen associate Muhammed Dahlan was humiliated when he made the 
gesture of presenting his condolences for the killing of the new Hamas militia 
commander Jemal Semadhana last week at the official mourners’ tent. Instead of 
his courtesies being accepted, he was pitched out of the tent by Hamas and 
Semdhana’s Popular Resistance Committees’ musclemen. He was thus treated to the 
ultimate insult for a Muslim. Islamic canons enjoin even enemies to be treated 
with respect in a mourning period. Dahlan was so enraged that he ordered PA 
intelligence to assist Israeli in its probe to find out if a Hamas bomb rather 
than an Israeli artillery shell was the true culprit behind the death of the 
Palestinian family. As yet it is not yet clear how much information Dahlan will 
allow the Palestinian service to release on the episode.

The key phrases from the cnn report
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/13/mideast.probe/index.html
 are
An explosion on a Gaza beach that killed seven people last week was
caused by explosives planted there by Palestinian militants, not
artillery fire from an Israeli navy gunboat
An Israeli commando unit used the beach to enter Gaza for a mission in
recent weeks, prompting the militants to place the mines
Hamas quickly removed the remaining mines from the beach after the
blast
Investigators were able to locate where five of the six shells fired
from the gunboat Friday landed and none of them were near the beach,
the sources said. The sixth shell -- the first to be fired -- could not
have killed the family because it was fired further north and too early
experts found it was the type of crater caused by a planted explosive,
not by an artillery shell landing from above.
shrapnel removed from three of the injured by doctors at Israeli
hospitals was not the from an artillery shell
Of course, there will always be fools that believe the Hamas
terrorists, and racists that support them and spread their lies.
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 hospitals was not the from an artillery shell
L'ultima frase dell'articolo:
But Human Rights Watch said its investigation of the incident came up
with opposite conclusions in almost every case.
The group said most of the injuries to the dead were to the head and
torso. A Human Rights Watch spokesman said that would be consistent
with an incoming shell, not a bomb buried in the ground.
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Ora, chi e' in buona fede:
Da una parte c'e
L'"investigazione" da parte dell'esercito accusato del crimine,
un'esercito che ha appena qualche mese fa assolto un soldato che ha
pompato 17 proiettili in una bambina di 12 anni, un'esercito che ha
spesso e volentieri mentito in questo tipo di investigazioni, arrivando
addirittura ad assassinare testimoni scomodi (vedi
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4884058.stm
  ), un'esercito che fa di
tutto per non permettere a osservatori internazionali indipendenti di
operare nel posto dove e' successo questo crimine  (uccidendo piu' di
uno di questi osservatori a Gaza, sia
dell'ONU che di organizzazioni tipo International Solidarity Movement).
Un'investigazione che, naturalmente, ignora bellamente tutte le
testimonianze dei sopravvissuti (vedi, eg
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4793.shtml
 per una
testimonianza ).
Dall'altra c'e un'organizzazione di difesa di diritti umani
internazionale e imparziale, la cui pagina web documenta accuratamente
sia abusi
Israeliani che Palestinesi che di qualsiasi altra parte del mondo.
E' deprimente che le stesse identiche tecniche usate per negare
l'Olocausto vengono messe in pratica per difendere Israele.
GT

 pompato 17 proiettili in una bambina di 12 anni,> GT
Quoto. Non abbiamo sentito nessun atto di contrizione dal propagandista
Tb, ne' dal cinghialazzo De Ce', che ha approvato dall'inizio. Dedicato
a tutti quelli che si chiedevano cosa c'aveva di pericoloso nella
cartellina la bambina...
Credo che in termini ONU si chiama eccesso di difesa o reazione non
proprozionale. Roba da Custer a cui sperano di assuefarci i fuoriusciti
di IPI. Per fortuna che la Omert, e altra gente che non mette la
coscienza sotto i piedi. non riduce la democrazia ad una favoletta.
Am.

 Tb,
Idem. 
Non prenderla cosě. Capita di aver sbagliato.
Tb
-- 
luca logi > >Non so. Immagina che qualcuno scriva giudeoquesturino,
luca logi > > ti riterresti lusingato?
sergio > sarebbe di sicuro espressione di antisemitismo per i vari
tonigoebbels.

l'Olocausto vengono messe in pratica per difendere Israele.
Certo, certo... :)
*pat pat*
-Stefano

proprozionale.
Certo, certo... :)
*pat pat*
-Stefano

 testimonianza ).
Ecco una versione piu' ampia di testimionianze.
"indagine dell'esercito Israeliano". Stra-ROTFL!
Mi ricorda le "indagini" fatte dal RUC sull'assassinio di cattolici
nell'Irlanda del Nord, o le indagini della polizia dell'Alabama
sull'assasinio di manifestanti pro-diritti civili.
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Gaza Physician, British Journalist Refute Reported Israeli Military
Investigation that Clears IDF, Blames Hamas for Deadly Beach Attack
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Nine Palestinians, including two children, have been killed in an
Israeli air strike in Gaza Tuesday. We go to Gaza to speak with a
reporter for the London Independent as well as a Palestinian physician
who was at the hospital that received many of the victims of Friday's
deadly explosion on a beach in Northern Gaza that left eight
Palestinians dead. The two contradict the reported findings of an
Israel Defense Forces panel that concludes the IDF was not responsible
for Friday's bombing. [includes rush transcript] Nine Palestinians,
including two children, have been killed in an Israeli air strike in
Gaza today. The Israeli army confirmed the attack, saying it had
targeted a van carrying Palestinian militants just north of Gaza City.
The group Islamic Jihad confirmed two of its members were killed in the
attack which injured 20 others. Reports said the first strike was
followed soon afterwards by another missile, which hit civilians who
had gone to the scene of the first blast.
The deadly air strike came just four days after eight Palestinian
civilians - including three children - died in an explosion Friday on a
day of Israeli artillery shelling.
They had been picnicking on a beach in northern Gaza. One
seven-year-old Palestinian girl lost her father, step-mother and five
siblings. In images broadcast around the world, the child, Huda Ghalia,
is seen moments after the bombing struck. She runs to the site of the
attack where she comes across the body of her deceased father. She
collapses to the ground next to him, repeatedly crying for her father.
At least 40 people were also injured in Friday's bombing. Palestinian
Authority President Mahmoud Abbas declared three days of mourning to
mark what he called a "bloody massacre."
Israel initially acknowledged it was firing shells in the area to stop
Palestinians from staging rocket attacks and said it regretted the
civilian deaths. In just the past two months, Israel has fired over
6,000 shells into the Gaza Strip. But the Israeli newspaper Haaretz is
now reporting an Israel Defense Forces panel is close to concluding
that the IDF was not responsible. The panel is set to announce it
believes the bombing was caused by a bomb planted by Hamas on the beach
to stop Israeli naval commandos in Northern Gaza.
Following Friday's killings, Hamas announced an end to its 16-month
truce and said Israel had committed a war crime. Over the weekend Hamas
fired at least 17 missiles targeting southern Israel.
For more on the latest we go to Gaza to speak with two guests:
    * Chris McGreal, reporter for the London Guardian. He joins us on
the line from Gaza.
    * Dr. Mona El-Farra, a physician and community activist in northern
Gaza. She was at the hospital that received many of the victims of
Friday's bombing. She runs a blog titled "From Gaza, With Love"
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AMY GOODMAN: We welcome you to Democracy Now!
CHRIS MCGREAL: Good afternoon.
AMY GOODMAN: Good to have you with us. Can you tell us the latest that
you understand in Gaza.
CHRIS MCGREAL: We had this missile strike, which you just talked about,
this morning. I was at the scene a few minutes later. What appears to
have happened is that the Israelis hit a mini-bus carrying probably
three or four people as it was going through a busy street, Salah
al-Din street. That caused the bus to career a little way down the road
and crash into a lamp post. People ran to the bus and then the second
missile came in. It hit and killed two children, who were sitting
outside their house. They looked to be 7 or 8 years old. And it also
seems to have killed three people who worked in a hospital nearby who
heard the first explosion. They were ambulance men, possibly a
paramedic -- ran out from the hospital to help people, also ran to the
mini-bus and were killed in that -- in the second strike.
AMY GOODMAN: Chris McGreal -- what is your understanding of what
happened on the beach on Friday?
CHRIS MCGREAL: Well, that's becoming a highly politically contentious
point. The -- as you said, the Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert
initially apologized, said he regretted it. But he's in Europe at the
moment, in Britain yesterday and today, going to France later today,
and then on to the European Parliament. And those pictures that you
were describing, the scene from the family being killed, have proved a
severe embarrassment to him in Europe. He's been asked about it a lot.
It seems that this panel has been quickly convened to absolve the army
and to raise sufficient doubt for Ehud Olmert and his foreign minister,
Tzipi Livni, who's also in Europe at the moment, to be able to say,
"well, we're still investigating, we're looking into this, we can't
say for certain."
This has happened with previous extremely high-profile killings,
perhaps the most memorable of which was Mohammed al-Dura, where the
military set about trying to raise doubts. But the report that
they've come up with, it has to be said -- it's full of holes. It's
based on the idea that, in fact, they were blown up by a Hamas landmine
planted under the sand to try and deter Israeli commanders from
landing. [Unintelligible] and that is, it would probably be very
difficult for Hamas to know where Israeli commanders might land, and
the idea would be that they would have several of them, and yet there
are no other mines. Perhaps more interesting is that at the time this
family was hit by shells -- a shell, which it undoubtedly was -- the
Israeli army admits to having fired six shells. Three of them, you can
see, landed on the beach, very close by. Probably no more than the
closest -- 100 yards away. And essentially the army is then asking
people to believe that the -- a sixth shell didn't land on the
family. That by pure coincidence, even though the beach was being
shelled at the time, a Hamas mine happened to go off as well in the
same area and at the same time.
Compounding this is the fact that the army admits it cannot account for
the last of those six shells -- where it landed. And there is a
military expert, an ex-Pentagon official from Human Rights Watch, New
York-based human rights group here at the moment. He's been looking
into this. And he's come to his own conclusion: that it's almost
undoubtedly an Israeli shell, based on, firstly the shrapnel, which he
- he found a piece of shrapnel that says 155 millimeter on it, which
is precisely the size of shrapnel shell that the Israelis use in their
Howitzers, and also if you look at the size and the nature of the
crater, it's identical to those on the beach that -- from the other
shells, including being lined with a white powder. So I think all of --
on the whole, the evidence points much more to Israeli responsibility.
AMY GOODMAN: We're also joined on the phone, Chris McGreal, by Dr. Mona
El-Farra. She's a physician and community activist in northern Gaza,
also a health development consultant for the Union of Health Work
Committees in Gaza. She was at the hospital on Friday that received
many of the victims of Friday's bombing, including the 7-year-old girl
- the little girl who was crying for her father on the beach, Huda
Ghalia. Welcome to Democracy Now!, Dr. El-Farra. What did you see on
Friday in the hospital?
DR. MONA EL-FARRA: Hello, and thank you very much for interviewing me.
The hospital -- it was chaos. So many casualties. Our hospital capacity
-- emergency room capacity was for 14 beds, but some of the casualties
we had on the floor. And I would like to attract your attention to
something. Regarding the injuries and the weapons that have been used,
the hospital staff -- it was like the casualties we'd received during
the [unintelligible] incursion two years ago. So it's clear cut for us
as physicians, as people working in the field -- the injury was caused
by Israeli shelling. So I'm surprised to hear that Israelis are
investigating if it's Hamas or not Hamas. This is one thing.
Another thing -- our ambulance driver, who was first to reach the site
of the shelling, he evacuated part of the family before reaching Huda,
the child who arrived later. And while he was doing it there was
shelling from the sea, he eye-witnessed this. So I would like to see
this clear cut, that it was Israeli. And anyway, if Israelis
investigated the incident, we know what is the outcome, we know what is
the answer. "Sorry"? "Sorry" will not benefit us as
Palestinians. And I have a chance to say something regarding the --
talking on a program called Democracy Now!: Israel is supported by the
U.S.A. in doing this to the Palestinian people, and this is leaving
bitter feelings of revenge amongst people, feeling devastated,
helpless. They have the -- we are living in a big prison called Gaza
and we feel helpless, devastated. This is on one hand. On the other
hand, I am personally against civilian killings from both sides --
Israeli and Palestinian. But what is the end for this endless violence
cycle? This is my opinion.
AMY GOODMAN: You also work with children in Gaza. Talking about what --
how they are affected right now. Can you describe what you see?
DR. MONA EL-FARRA: Ok. First thing -- Gaza Beach for the last four days
is nearly deserted. The whole beach. From north to south. People are
afraid to go to the sea, despite the fact that the sea is the only
outlet for us in Gaza, little escape for us living under this hardship
life - is one thing. Another thing regarding children -
children's psychology through the years will be - already have been
damaged and will be damaged more and more regarding relationships with
others. Relationship with the other side of the world. The world,
especially the western world represented by America -- American
government is something like -- different for them.
And we work hard through our psychologists, psychiatrists, community
workers, try to amend some of the psychological disturbance that have
affected all of the children because of all of these atrocities. So we
are hoping to succeed, but I think it's a big building and a little
work needs to be done, not only on the psychological level. We are
lacking medications, at the moment, at the hospitals, especially the
main governmental hospitals. I'm working with the nongovernmental
sector, but the main health provider in Gaza and West Bank is the
governmental hospital.
AMY GOODMAN: Dr. El-Farra, on Friday, you saw Huda in the hospital and
also a 6-year-old. Huda Ghalia is a 6th grader and is now becoming a
symbol right now -- that photograph of her on the beach. And the
6-year-old, what happened to that child?
DR. MONA EL-FARRA: That child is Huda's sister. Her name is Heba. She's
staying at the hospital right now, at al-Awda Hospital, the hospital
where I work. And this one -- this little one, 6 years old - they
kind of did not show Heba. The focus was on Huda, which has been seen
everywhere, but Heba is 6 years old. She was nearly dipping her hand in
her 6-month-old younger brother's blood trying to help him, to do
something for the child. So she's severely psychologically traumatized
and she's still at the hospital. But Huda, the older one, has left
the hospital and is staying with her relatives. But we are giving
intensive psychological support for the younger ones, psychological -
and she is recovering from her wounds, she has medium wounds.
AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to ask you: Ha'aretz is reporting today on the
IDF probe -- the Israeli Defense Forces probe, saying that the findings
that they will come out with have been bolstered by three new findings.
One - "the shrapnel. Three people wounded in the blast are now
hospitalized in Israel. Shrapnel was apparently removed from their
bodies. This is likely to reinforce the conclusion that the explosion
was caused by a bomb, rather than a shell." The crater - "based
on photographs, the crater left on the beach by the blast seems to have
been made by an explosion from below (a mine), not a hit from above (a
shell)." And finally, intelligence - "Israel has amassed
considerable information indicating that over the past few weeks, ever
since Israeli commandos infiltrated Gaza and killed a rocket-launching
cell, Hamas has been systematically mining the northern Gaza beach in
an attempt to keep Israeli commandos from landing there again."
DR. MONA EL-FARRA: First, we found out about shrapnel, locally-made -
actually, the shrapnel that has been found at al-Awda hospital, this is
Israeli-made. Second, we have the eyewitness -- many eyewitnesses -
one of the eyewitnesses I met recently was the ambulance driver of the
hospital. He -- he literally explained and described what happened.
Third, the Human Rights Watch guy I met personally, and he found
shrapnel from Israeli gunshots. Another thing I would like to mention:
the Qassam rockets and these things - just very, very primitive
devices. It wouldn't injure that number -- 25 or 30 people at least
were injured in that incident. So it is for me quite clear that it was
Israeli. It was not Palestinian.
AMY GOODMAN: Chris McGreal -- you also went to Sderot, where some of
the Qassam rockets of Hamas have hit. What is the reaction in that
community?
CHRIS MCGREAL: Well, I think it's been quite interesting that on --
after the family was killed on the beach on Friday, I think there was
-- suddenly Sderot was hit by a certain amount of doubt about the
policy of shelling. As you said, 6,000 shells in a couple of months.
They have claimed more than 20 lives. There's this focus on the family
for obvious reasons. But more than 20 civilians have been killed by
these shells in northern Gaza. And I think there was some doubt,
probably on the grounds that civilians were dying, partly on the
grounds that it wasn't stopping the Palestinian rocket attacks on
Sderot.
But what has changed that is twofold. It's the army raising the doubts
and saying, "possibly this was the Palestinians," and people in
Sderot are very much latched on to that and now are absolving the army.
And then, secondly, there was a barrage of about 50 Qassam rockets
towards Sderot on the weekend. And that has led the mayor of that town
to demand the army reinvade Gaza, seize the Palestinian town in the
north called Beit Hanoun, and either destroy it or force everybody out
of it. And, so, there's a -- a very hostile mood now in Sderot towards
-- towards Gaza.
AMY GOODMAN: And can you talk about the infighting now between Hamas
and Fattah, and what that means? The escalation, for example, in places
like Ramallah?
CHRIS MCGREAL: Yeah, this is partly - as you know, it's been going on
for some months now, beginning with the tensions now with the elections
in January, when Hamas won in a landslide, against the expectations of
Fattah. But it's taken on a new edge with the Palestinian leader
Mahmoud Abbas calling for a referendum for the end of July on
essentially the question of recognition of Israel and the two-state
solution. This is embedded in a document drawn up by prisoners in --
the Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.
But essentially it's a power struggle between Abbas and the Hamas
government. And that is now reflected on the streets. There's quite a
lot of tension here in Gaza. There's been quite a lot of shooting over
a -- over the past few weeks, and some yesterday and today. As you say,
there was the incident in Ramallah yesterday, when the parliament
building was attacked. There's been killings down in the south of the
Gaza Strip yesterday, more shooting in parts of Gaza today. It's
balanced on edge. It hasn't spilled over to the point of -- of civil
war and it may be some way from that. But it's certainly edging --
getting more tense and getting more edgy and these kinds of clashes are
becoming more frequent.
AMY GOODMAN: And finally, Dr. Mona El-Farra, can you describe the
effect of the lack of funds for the Palestinians right now, with
European countries, with the United States cutting off funding to the
Hamas-led government.
DR. MONA EL-FARRA: Allow me a half minute to send a message to Israeli
civilians. I am like many others in Gaza: against shelling any citizen
inside Israel - any Palestinian, any Israeli citizen. But we have the
right of resistance against the Israeli army. Not that -- there's a
difference between resistance -- between the army and the people, is
one thing. Regarding the funds -- I will talk about the health system.
We are suffering a lot in the health system because now the fourth
month with no salaries for people. So I am seeing it coming very
quickly that the old health system might collapse, because of lack of
funds. And this is something a few weeks to come.
But daily things -- the lack of medications for cancer patients, for
example. Some people might die or die because of lack of funds and lack
of funds for -- especially for the hospitals. And we are going through
hardship and an impoverished economy. And this is edging to the already
vulnerable and impoverished economy. So the situation is not promising
and it is really serious.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to thank you both for joining us. Dr. Mona
El-Farra, physician, community activist in northern Gaza at the
hospital where Huda, her sister were taken, and the other wounded from
Friday. Also, Chris McGreal of the London Guardian speaking to us on
the line from Gaza as well.

it is for me quite clear that it was Israeli. It was not Palestinian.
Cioe' e' colpa dell'IDF perche' molti sono rimasti uccisi :)
*ROTFL*
Qualcuno gli dice quanti sono i morti dei kamikaze palestinesi quando si
fanno saltare in aria in mezzo a gruppi di civili israeliani con i loro
"very primitive devices"? :)
-Stefano