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Titolo: le fonti fasciste di amalric

 raddoppiarono nel 1945
si la fuga dei tuoi camerati slavofobi e antisemiti che collaborarono con
le SS naziste.
Ma ora tanto per rivelare che cialtrone di storicHo che sei facciamo la
lista del chi e' chi di quelli che hanno contribuito a quella immondizia
che hai postato dal sito 
http://peacecountry0.tripod.com/eastbalt.htm
- 
http://www.buchanan.org/pa-97-0829.html
 e' il sito del fascistoide usa
Patrick J. Buchanan , quello che consiglio' a reagan di andare a rendere
omaggio durante una visita in Germania ad un cimitero dove erano sepolte
molte SS e che difese Demjanjuk, SS ucraino che faceva l'aguzzino a
Treblinka.
- l'ex camerata dei nazisti , il fascista revanscista finlandese Antti
Joronen che nel suo sito 
http://uralica.com/antti.htm
 vagheggia la
riconquista della Carelia
bella coppia di storicHi eh? Complimenti per la scelta cameratucolo
amalric.
Ma non e' finita qua. La perla finale e' che il sito
http://peacecountry0.tripod.com/eastbalt.htm
 e' il sito della JOINT BALTIC
AMERICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, INC.
Representing: Estonian American National Council, Inc. American Latvian
Association, Inc. Lithuanian American Council, Inc.
ossia è una associazione di emigranti baltici che sono in forte odore di
SS e collaborazionismo con i nazisti.
Fateci caso : nell'articolo che il cialtrone russofobo londinese ha
postato non c'e' nemmeno un rigo sulla collaborazione dei lettoni,
lituani e estoni che si sono prestati a massacrare ebrei e slavi insieme
ai nazisti e poi si sono arruolati nelle divisioni naziste di cui parla
l'articolo che segue
complimenda per le fonti utilizzate, cameratucolo amalric! LOL!
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sul neonazismo nei Paesi Baltici
Resurgence of fascism in the former Soviet Baltic republics of Latvia,
Lithuania and Estonia has been growing over the past decade. Regretfully,
these deplorable actions by the governments and local authorities of the
three Baltic States attracted little attention from the international
community.
In September of 2003 a number of Latvians and foreign visitors attended
the memorial ceremony for the Jewish-Latvian Holocaust victims in the
Rumbula forest, where 25,000 Jews were massacred in late 1941 mostly by
Latvian police and guards. Just a week later Latvian government unveiled
another memorial ? this one was dedicated to the memory of Latvian Waffen
SS members.
During the same month Latvia managed to pacify its small remaining Jewish
population while at the same time making itself feel better about its
history of collaborating with Nazi Germany. Two weeks - two memorials: one
is to the Holocaust victims and the other one to the Holocaust makers.
The SS memorial was unveiled in the Latvian town of Lestene. The event was
attended by the country?s government, religious and military officials.
Three military orchestras of the Latvian Defense Ministry provided musical
background for commemorating 'accomplishments and sacrifices' of the SS
and its Latvian division in the name of Führer and Fatherland.
With the exception of a few Russian and Israeli newspapers the world media
remained oblivious to these events and silent.
Surviving members of the Latvian SS legion marched proudly in Lestene,
their 'accomplishments' appreciated by their new government. Latvian SS
exterminated tens of thousands of Jews, Slavs and fellow Latvians sixty
years ago and today Latvian government considers the SS men war veterans,
pays them military pensions, erects monuments in their name and celebrates
their cause and bloody deeds with state-sponsored parades.
Schoolchildren in Latvia learn that the SS heroically defended their
country against Bolshevik hordes and sought an appropriate place for the
Latvian uberman in the bright future of the Thousand Year Reich.
Unable to accept the responsibility for its Nazi past Latvia is seeking to
rewrite the bloody pages of its history. This is done quietly and
gradually. The three military orchestras playing at the SS memorial
ceremony in Latvia this September had to keep down their fortissimo so not
to disturb the sleeping public opinion of the nations that sacrificed
millions of lives to defeat the monster of fascism.
Today Latvia is not just rewriting its own history but ours as well. We
make this possible by ignoring the SS marching in Lestene; by trying hard
not to notice the memorials to Nazi murderers popping up here and there in
Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia; by closing our ears so not to hear the SS
legions marching in Riga and Tallinn.
In 1946 the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg adjudged Waffen
SS to be a criminal organization. Since 1997 thousands SS criminals living
in the US, UK, Latvia and other countries collected a monthly military
pension paid by Germany and by national governments, as is the case with
Latvia.
This revolting historical revisionism rearing its ugly head with our
silent approval is an insult to the memories of millions who gave their
lives to save ours.
Latvia?s attempts at rewriting the history of the Second World War have
been a subject of hundreds of news articles, books and public discussions.
The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs called Latvia?s revisionist
policies in regard to its wartime collaboration with Nazi Germany ?one of
the worst cases of falsification of history.? 1 A number of countries
have to deal with the problem of resurging fascism. What makes Latvian
neo-nazism more frightening is the open official support it gets from the
Latvian government.
During the war Waffen Schutzstaffel (Waffen SS) formed two divisions
consisting of Latvian volunteers ? the 15th and 19th Waffen Grenadier
Divisions. At the peak of its power the SS grew from four all-German
divisions to 41 divisions numbering 900,000 members from all occupied
countries, including more than 150,000 volunteers from Latvia - the
biggest contribution of SS volunteers of any nation occupied by Germany.
Unlike other volunteer Waffen SS divisions created during the war the
Latvian divisions were known for their proficiency in combat and
commitment to the standards of Nazism. The 15th SS Latvian Division was
the most decorated foreign volunteer division of the SS winning 13 Knight
Crosses - more than any non-German Legion. In 1945, after being decimated
by the advancing Soviet army, the remaining elements of the two Latvian SS
divisions regrouped under the command of Waffen-Standartenführer Villus
Janums for the defense of Berlin. They later surrendered to the Americans
at Güterglück near the Elbe River.
In the Spring of 1998 the remainder of this force paraded through the
streets of Latvia?s capital carrying banners with swastika and SS
insignia. The march was authorized by the Latvian government and attended
by the Chief of Staff of the Latvian Armed Forces despite protests from
Russia, France and Israel.2
Only two weeks before the Nazi parade in Riga Latvian police brutally
dispersed a peaceful demonstration by Russian war veterans. A few days
after the Nazi parade in Riga two bombs damaged a synagogue and the
Russian embassy in Latvia's capital.
Later same year Russia threatened economic sanctions against Latvia in
response to the country?s official support for surging neo-nazism but this
threat never materialized.3 Regretfully, Latvia?s official way of dealing
with Nazi past remains to be through denial and historical revisionism.
In 1997 Germany revealed that up to 50,000 former SS members worldwide are
receiving a monthly pension from the German government. This includes
3,377 Waffen SS men and their dependents in the US. Following this
revelation US Rep. Gary L. Ackerman requested a list of the US recipients
of these benefits. The list was sent by the German administration to the
US Department of Justice but it was not made public as was demanded by
various public and religious organizations.4
Among the people who received monthly benefits for SS veterans is the
widow of SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich ? the architect of the
?Final Solution? - and the SS-Untersturmführer Heinz Barth, known in
France as l'assassin d'Oradour-sur-Glane and sentenced to life
imprisonment by an East German court for massacring hundreds of civilians
in the French town of Oradour, qualified to receive a military pension
following the reunification of Germany.5
Kazys Ciurinskas, a former member of the Lithuanian SS division accused of
killing Russian and Lithuanian Jews and POWs, lived in Indiana since the
end of the war. Ciurinskas collected a $540 monthly pension from the
German government since 1960 while living in the US and being a US
citizen. In a 1995-97 United States of America v. Kazys Ciurinskas case
the US District Court in Indiana stripped Ciurinskas of US citizenship.6
In 1999 Kazys Ciurinskas was deported from the US after he admitted
participating in Nazi-sponsored persecution in Lithuania and Belarus in
1941, when Lithuanian SS killed more than 19,000 Jews in these two
countries.7 The case of Ciurinskas was one of several such cases in the US
involving former Lithuanian SS members, but the number of such cases is a
far cry from the number of these war criminals still living in the US.
A large number of former Waffen SS members also reside in the UK enjoying
full benefits of the British citizenship and German pension benefits. This
includes more than 1,500 members of the Ukrainian SS volunteer division
responsible for killing tens of thousands of civilians and POWs in the
former Soviet Union and Poland. The UK government has been struggling to
extradite suspected Nazis but a 2001 Home Office initiative promised to go
ahead with denaturalization and deportation of suspected Nazi war
criminals.8 A large number of Ukrainian SS members also escaped to Canada
following the end of the war to hide within the large Ukrainian community
in that country.
What makes the situation with pension benefits for the Waffen SS members
even more repulsive is the fact that the amount of the monthly payments
depends on the rank attained while serving in the SS.9 According to the
information made public by Germany in 1997, the war benefits for Nazi
soldiers totaled $8 billion in 1996 alone and were paid out to 1.1 million
veterans and dependents worldwide.10
Under mounting international pressure the German parliament amended the
1950 Federal Benefits Law to prohibit payment of benefits to suspected war
criminals. However, the law does not require German authorities to
investigate the recipients of these benefits and has no provision for
enforcement. This makes possible for thousands of suspected and known war
criminals, including those living in the US, UK and Latvia, to continue
receiving their SS pensions, even as hundreds of thousands of their
surviving victims received no compensation from Germany or received a
one-time check for a few hundred dollars for their troubles.
While attending a memorial ceremony for the Jewish-Latvian Holocaust
victims in Latvia this September Israel?s Knesset Speaker Ruby Rivlin
said: ?We will remember their murderers - each and every one of them... We
will remember, and we will continue to remind the world, of the greatest
crime against humanity; of the criminals who committed it; and of the
people who made it possible. We do not, and will not accept the attempt to
clear a nation's conscience, by blaming everything that happened here
entirely on the Nazi occupation. Latvia, as other young European
democracies, is yet to face its true past, the awful truth. The Latvian
people have much to answer for. Pardoning the worst of murderers, treating
them as heroes, or freedom fighters, allowing them to march proudly on the
streets - all that is spitting in the faces of the women, children and
babies massacred here.?
The Latvian Parliament Speaker Ingrida Udre responded with tears in her
eyes: ?We will remember this terrible crime so that it will not be able to
repeat itself. We must continue to investigate our role, and we will do
so, and emphasize who are the guilty and who were the innocent victims.?11
The next weekend Ingrida Udre spent celebrating the opening of the Latvian
Waffen SS cemetery. The ceremony was attended by Latvia?s Culture Minister
Inguna Ribena, members of the Parliament, representatives of the Church,
and Latvian military officials.12
ewriting of history and resurgence of fascism is only possible with our
silent approval. We don't know, we don't care, we are too busy. Some think
Nazism is about killing Jews and that the Second World War was a private
brawl between Hitler and Stalin. We like to simplify things.
Some six million Jews were exterminated by the Nazis. More than thirty
million Soviets and twenty million Chinese were killed during the war.
Over a hundred million people died around the world as the result of
fighting, decease and hunger brought about by the Second World War.
Deaths per Country
Military
(in thousands)
Civilians
(in thousands)
Total
(in thousands)
Allies
Australia
37.6
2.5
40.1
Belgium Brazil
22.7 1.5
76.0 1.0
98.7 2.58
British Colonies
7
92.7
99.7b
Canada
42.7
1.0
43.7
China
1,400.0
20,000.0
21,400.0
Czechoslovakia
6.6
315.0
321.68
Denmark
6.4
1.0
7.4
France
245.0
350.0
595.0
Great Britain
403.0
92.7
495.7
Greece
88.3
325.0
413.3
India (Br.)
48.7
3,000.0
3,048.7
Indochina
0
2,000.0
2,000.0
Luxembourg
0.1
1.0
1.1
Malaysia (Br.)
0
50.0
50.0
Mexico
0.1
0
0.1
Netherlands
13.7
236.0
249.7
Netherlands East Indies
0
100.0
100.08
New Zealand
8.7
0
8.7
Norway
3.0
7.0
10.0
Philippines
40.0
100.0
140.08
Poland
597.3
5,675.0
6,272.3
South Africa
8.5
0
8.5
Soviet Union
12,000.0
17,000.0
29,000.0 d
United States
407.0
6.0
413.0
Yugoslavia
305.0
1,355.0
1,660.0
Allied Total
15,692.9
50,786.9
66,479.8
Axis
Bulgaria Finland
18.8 82.0
140.0 12.0
158.8 94.0
Germany
3,250.0
2,445.0
5,695.0
Hungary
200.0 600.0 800.08
Italy
380.0 152.9 532.9
Japan
2,565.9 672.0 3,237.9
Korea
10 250.0 260.0
Romania
450.0
465.0
915.0
Axis Total
6,956.7
4,736.9
11,693.6
Grand Total
22,649.6
55,523.8
78,173.4
(source: Dirty Little Secrets of World War II, by James F. Dunnigan and
Albert A. Nofi, p. 49)
The legacy of Nazism is not Holocaust; it's not extermination of Slavs,
Gypsies, Chinese, homosexuals, mentally ill; it's not the great battles in
Kursk, Stalingrad or Normandy. The legacy of Nazism is indiscriminate
extermination of human life.
Adopting this view of the Second World War is essential to all of us.
Every one of us has political views and personal agendas. We tend to look
at the history of the war and try to find some good points about it. Some
hate Jews, others hate Russians or Americans.
Look at the photos of executed Soviet POWs, look at the corpses of gassed
Jews and Gypsies, look at shots of dead Americans littering the shores of
Normandy, look at the gruesome photos of executed Ukrainian villagers.
This is indiscriminate extermination of human life and it makes you
realize one crucial thing when looking at these horrific images: it could
have been you independent of who or where you are and what you believe in.
Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians joined the SS believing the Nazis
would liberate them from the Soviet occupation; Finland offered itself as
the launching pad of the German invasion of northern USSR believing the
Nazis would protect it from its aggressive eastern neighbor; Iraqi
government aligned itself with Germany hoping the Nazis would rid Iraq of
British control; Ukrainians joined the SS in their hatred of Jews and
Bolsheviks.
Millions supported the cause of Nazism driven by their personal reasons,
failing to grasp the big picture. In the end millions of them died; but
they didn't die soon enough and took tens of millions with them.
We are not about to take on all of the distortions of history. We are here
to address one problem at a time and the problem for today is resurgence
of fascism in the Baltic States. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia look
forward to joining the European Union. They want to climb on the high
horse of EU's imaginary superior morality with which it judges Russians,
Americans and the rest of the world.
Governments, like people, join together for two reasons: to survive and to
absolve each other of individual responsibility. The EU is willing to take
the Baltic States aboard despite their heavy baggage of suppressed
problems and hastily rewritten history. Their governments hope that this
baggage gets lost in transit. We are here to make sure that it doesn't.
FOOTNOTES:
1 ?Europe's moral attitudes toward the Holocaust in light of the current
defamation of Israel?, by Manfred Gerstenfeld, Jerusalem Letter, No. 475,
April 2002
2 ?Wiesenthal Centre wants France to check ex-Nazis?, by Bernard Edinger,
Reuters, March 18, 1998; and ?Israel denounces Nazi SS reunion in Latvia?,
Reuters, March 19, 1998.
3 ?Latvia's Achilles Heel?, by Tomas Valasek, Weekly Defense Monitor,
April 9, 1998.
4 ?Germans Cooperate With Ackerman's Demand For Nazi Pension Records?, US
House of Representatives, press release, April 11, 1997
5 ?War criminals get pensions?, Associated Press, Feb. 7, 1997
6 United States of America vs. Kazys Ciurinskas, No. 2:93 CV 97JM, trial
transcript, Jun. 18, 1997.
7 ?Another member of Nazi's killing battalion deported?, Associated Press,
May 13, 1999.
8 ?Straw targets Nazi suspects?, BBC, Jan. 13, 2001
9 ?German Pensions To Waffen SS Veterans Unfathomable?, American Jewish
Committee, Feb. 4, 1997
10 ?Germany halts pension payments to ex-Nazi war criminals?, by Deidre
Berger, Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Nov. 21, 1997
11 ?Knesset Speaker Speaks Harshly To Latvians?, Israel National News,
Sep. 18, 2003
12 ?Cemetery for former Latvian SS unit inaugurated Saturday?, Agence
France-Presse, Sep. 27, 2003
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/baltic_nazis/latvia/index.htm
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 stalinista dei paesi baltici:
http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-4335.html
Nazi-Soviet Nonaggression Pact signed; Estonia, Latvia, and, soon, 
Lithuania assigned to Soviet sphere of influence.
  
 
 October
Baltic states pressured into signing treaties allowing Moscow to 
station troops on their soil; Vilnius given back to Lithuania.
  
 
 1940
Red Army occupies Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania; pro-Soviet 
governments "elected," and Baltic states annexed to Soviet Union.
  
 
 1941 June
Soviet authorities arrest and deport tens of thousands of Estonians, 
Latvians, and Lithuanians to Siberia; deportations interrupted by Nazi 
Germany's invasion of Soviet Union; Lithuanian resistance movement 
launches revolt against Soviet rule.
  
 
 1941-45
Baltic states under German occupation; Nazi regime institutes 
compulsory draft of Balts into labor or military service; Jews and 
Gypsies subjected to mass annihilation; nationalist and communist 
resistance movements active.
  
 
 1944-45
Soviet forces reoccupy Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania; hundreds of 
thousands of refugees flee to West. 

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Military
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Civilians
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Total
(in thousands)
Allies
Australia
37.6
2.5
40.1
Belgium Brazil
22.7 1.5
76.0 1.0
98.7 2.58
British Colonies
7
92.7
99.7b
Canada
42.7
1.0
43.7
China
1,400.0
20,000.0
21,400.0
Czechoslovakia
6.6
315.0
321.68
Denmark
6.4
1.0
7.4
France
245.0
350.0
595.0
Great Britain
403.0
92.7
495.7
Greece
88.3
325.0
413.3
India (Br.)
48.7
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Netherlands
13.7
236.0
249.7
Netherlands East Indies
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100.0
100.08
New Zealand
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8.7
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South Africa
8.5
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8.5
Soviet Union
12,000.0
17,000.0
29,000.0 d
United States
407.0
6.0
413.0
Yugoslavia
305.0
1,355.0
1,660.0
Allied Total
15,692.9
50,786.9
66,479.8
Axis
Bulgaria Finland
18.8 82.0
140.0 12.0
158.8 94.0
Germany
3,250.0
2,445.0
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450.0
465.0
915.0
Axis Total
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4,736.9
11,693.6
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22,649.6
55,523.8
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*Provalo*
Cmq. c'e' anche Wikipedia che non e' contestata, e addirittura un museo 
di uno di questi massacri, in *Estonia*
 
Rainiai massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainiai_massacre
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Rainiai massacre  was the mass murder of between 70 and 80, 
Lithuanian political prisoners by the NKVD, with help from the Red Army, 
in a forest near Tel?iai, Lithuania, during the night of June 24-25 
1941. It was one of many similar massacres carried out by Soviet forces 
in Lithuania, and other parts of the USSR, during June 1941. Several 
thousand people were killed in these massacres. The Rainiai massacre was 
far from the largest of these massacres, but it is one of the most well 
known, due to the brutality and tortures inflicted on the victims by the 
perpetrators. Similar atrocities were committed in other places, like 
the Tartu massacre, in which almost two hundred and fifty people were 
murdered. [1].
The Massacre
A decision had been made to carry out the massacre after the June Revolt 
(during which the Lithuanian Activist Front had deposed the Soviet 
government in Lithuania), had taken place and Nazi Germany had invaded 
the Soviet Union. The Soviet authorities were unable to evacuate the 
inmates (political prisoners) of the Tel?iai prison, but they did not 
want to abandon them, as the inmates would then have been freed by the 
local population. Therefore, a punishment squad of the Red Army led by 
Dontsov was called in to "liquidate" them.
Most of the prisoners were put into trucks during the night of June 24, 
brought to the Rainiai forest where they were tortured and killed. Many 
of the victims were so mutilated, that only twenty-seven bodies could be 
identified after they were exhumed, only three days later.[2]
According to the coroner's examination after the exhumation, both the 
report and the testimonies of witnesses, concured that the Soviets cut 
off tongues, ears, genitals, scalps, put genitals into mouths, picked 
out eyes, pulled off fingernails, made belts of victims' skins to tie 
their hands, burned them with torches and acid, crushed bones and 
skulls, and was done to living people[3], [4]). The organizers of the 
massacre included Pyotr Raslan, Boris Mironov, political leader of 8th 
border army Mikhail Kompanyanec, NKVD Kretinga county deputy director 
Yermolayev, NKVD lieutenant Zhdanov and others.
[edit]
The Victims
Most of those who were killed in the Rainiai massacre had been arrested 
for political reasons from the time when Lithuania was occupied by the 
Soviet Union in 1940. Some of them, like Vladas Petronaitis, were 
arrested for their roles in the independence struggle or their societal 
roles in independent Lithuania ("intellectuals", politicians, lawyers, 
policemen and public servants). Some had been arrested as "enemies of 
the revolution" for their business interests, land ownership or savings, 
as Soviet propaganda taught that businessmen and landlords were thiefs 
and oppressors. Other people were arrested for possession of 
non-communist literature (such as books which supported the idea of 
independent Lithuania or were written by authors considered to be in the 
wrong by the Soviets), owning a Lithuanian flag, not giving their crops 
to the Soviet authorities, and similar "crimes". Others had been 
arrested without any evidence, because their friends had been arrested 
or because someone had "denounced" them. This group included mainly 
younger people, such as students from the Tel?iai Crafts School (aged 18 
- 19), and young people from the villages around Tel?iai. Many were 
arrested for having been members of certain parties and organizations 
such as Boy Scouts.[5] These people were not tried, but were held in the 
Tel?iai prison until the time it was decided to carry out the massacre. 
While most of the prisoners of the Tel?iai prison were killed in the 
massacre, a few were released prior to the massacre.
La strage di Tartu
ttp://
www.expatexchange.com/lib.cfm?articleID=2265&start=1732&page=1
The Dark Side of Tartu 
By Steenie Harvey
 
 Wax figures often look crass, but not here. In the dimly-lit corridors, 
the figure of a uniformed Soviet interrogator emerging from behind a 
maroon-colored steel door looks scarily realistic. So, too, does the 
poor sod crammed into an impossibly small cubicle--prisoners were given 
half a liter of water on days one and two of interrogation. If they 
survived until day three, they got half a liter of broth.
July 9, 1941 was a particularly bleak day. With the Stalin-Hitler pact 
in tatters, the German army had crossed Estonia's border two days 
earlier. Before retreating eastward into Russia, the NKVD shot almost 
250 detainees in the Gray House courtyard and Tartu prison. Bodies were 
dumped in makeshift graves and the prison well.
After Estonia's brief period of Nazi occupation, the communist terror 
returned in the fall of 1944. The Red Army had marched back into the 
Baltic states, Estonia was a Soviet Republic--and the NKVD/KGB were 
again the masters of Tartu's Gray House.
The museum details both Soviet occupation and Estonian resistance. 
Numerous photographs show conditions in Siberian gulags and members of 
underground movements such as the Forest Brothers. Almost all exhibits 
have English translations; displays include plans of deportation 
operations and objects from the camps. (Imagine trying to survive a 
Siberian winter with home-made wooden shoes.) One touching exhibit shows 
five locks of blonde hair pinned to a handkerchief--they belonged to 
schoolgirls who joined the underground and distributed resistance 
leaflets.
You'll find the KGB Cells Exposition at 15b Riia St., Tartu.
Opening hours Tuesday-Saturday, are 11 a.m.
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si la fuga dei tuoi camerati slavofobi e antisemiti che collaborarono con
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 coniglio inglese, lo prova l'articolo che ho postato .
Tu non provi un bel tubo. Non provi che i sovietici non abbiano 
massacrato (e deportato) la ***popolazione civile*** Io ti ho postato 
tre fonti indipendenti, tra cui quella di Wikipedia, e ho dato anche 
l'indirizzo di un museo.
 Tu continui a postare la stessa robaccia filosovietica ***senza autore 
ne fonte***, come un cucu' incantato.
**** E soprattutto cerchi di usare i massacri nazisti di ebrei per 
cancellare i massacri sovietici di Estoni e Lituani**** 
Ma non attacca, capish?
Ecco i bei frutti del rotfl - 'patto di non agressione'!
Come al solito ti sei dato la zappa sui piedi, su un 3d incominciato da 
te, ****fesso!****
Am.

sergio. ha scritto:
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 tre fonti indipendenti,
si tre fonti:
un sito di un negazionista e fascista americano
un sito di un fascista finlandese
un sito di una associazione di fuggiaschi baltici in forte odore di
collaborazionismo
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 sergio. ha scritto:
Il Cucu' Incantato
(C'e' anche Wikipedia, o cucu')
Am.
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 all'inferno dove Stalin in persona sarà il tuo capo)
LOL
Palmiro Pangloss

 un giorno 
fottiti , vai in soccorso ad uno slavofobo che usa come fonti un razzista
come Buchanan? ma vergognati.
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 come Buchanan? ma vergognati.
ma quale soccorso sergio! 
non ti rendi conto che infesti l'ng di cut&paste da 600 righe come un robot
continuo? 
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 usa come fonti
Ciao sergio, di queste che ne pensi?
  1.. ^ a b (English) Richard Rhodes (2002). Masters of Death: The 
SS-Einsatzgruppen and the Invention of the Holocaust. New York: Alfred 
A. Knopf. ISBN 0375409009. | quote = Despite the deportations, 
Barbarossa surprised the NKVD, whose jails and prisons in the invaded 
western territories were crowded with political prisoners. Rather that 
release their prisoners as they hastened to retreat during the first 
week of the war, the Soviet secret police had simply slaughtered them. 
NKVD prisoner executions in the first week after Barbarossa totaled 
some ten thousand in the western Ukraine and more than nine thousand 
in Vinnitsa, eastward toward Kiev; comparable numbers of prisoners 
were executed in eastern Poland, Byelorussia, Lithuania, Latvia and 
Estonia. These areas had already sustained losses numbering in the 
hundreds of thousands from the Stalinist purges of 1937-38. "It was 
not only the numbers of the executed," historian Yury Boshyk writes of 
the evacuation murders, "but also the manner in which they died that 
shocked the populace. When the families of the arrested rushed to the 
prisons after the Soviet evacuation, they were aghast to find bodies 
so badly mutilated that many could not be identified. It was evident 
that many of the prisoners had been tortured before death; others were 
killed en masse."
  2.. ^ a b c d e (English) Militargeschichtliches Forschungsamt 
(corporate author); Gottfried Schramm, Jan T. Gross, Manfred Zeidler 
et al. (1997). Bernd Wegner From Peace to War: Germany, Soviet Russia 
and the World, 1939-1941, 47-79, Berghahn Books. ISBN 1571818820.
  3.. ^ a b (Polish) Encyklopedia PWN, ZBRODNIE SOWIECKIE W 
POLSCE'':After the outbreak of the German-Soviet war, in June of 1941, 
thousands of prisoners have been murdered in mass executions in 
prisons (among others in Lwów and Berezwecz) and during the evacuation 
(so-called death marches)
  4.. ^ a b c (Polish) Anna Galkiewicz (2001) Informacja o sledztwach 
prowadzonych w OKSZpNP w Lodzi w sprawach o zbrodnie popelnione przez 
funkcjonariuszy sowieckiego aparatu terroru; Biuletyn IPN, Vol. 7 - 
August 2001
  5.. ^ (Polish) Encyklopedia PWN, BEREZWECZ
  6.. ^ (Polish) Boleslaw Paszkowski (2005): Golgota Wschodu
  7.. ^ (Polish) Joanna Januszczak Zalbiny w Czerwieni k. Minska in: 
Wspólnota Polska monthly
  8.. ^ (Polish) Julian Siedlecki (1990). Losy Polaków w ZSRR w latach 
1939-1986, Edward Raczynski, 3, 59, London: Gryf Publications. as 
cited in: Tadeusz Krahel. "Zgineli w koncu czerwca 1941 roku". Czas 
Milosierdzia. Retrieved on 2006-06-02.

 all'inferno dove Stalin in persona sarà il tuo capo)
ROTFL
-- 
Davide

ROTFL
Ridi meno hai letto le novita'?
Segue su icq
MMAX
-- 
E' in discussione su it.news.gruppi la RFD 
di it.politica.internazionale moderato

 Ciao sergio, di queste che ne pensi?
fesso, vatti a leggere che valori avevano i "partigiani" antisovietici che
poi da (presunto) ebreo ti vergognerai di averli difesi . 
s.
Ps: e meglio ancora faresti bene ad informarti di quale etnia erano i
compagni del NKVD che spazzavano via questa feccia antisemita e
filonazista. doppiamente fesso.
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 compagni del NKVD che spazzavano via /cut/
Stai sostenendo che quei criminali di guerra comunisti fossero tutti ebrei?
Occhio, rischi di farti politicamente male.
E' una vecchia fola antisemita quella della "comune ebraica".
Tb

 Occhio, rischi di farti politicamente male.
tonigoebbels non ho detto "tutti" ma parte di quei comunisti erano - e non
c'e' nulla di male - anche ebrei. E anche se lo fossero stati tutti, non
ci sarebbe stato nulla di male per me: combattevano i fascisti e
filonazisti baltici, fortemente razzisti verso gli slavi e verso gli ebrei
come ti ho riportato dal libro di Lieven. 
Non e' curioso che tu pur di andare contro i comunisti ti metta a
difendere questi bastardi antisemiti che hanno partecipato attivamente al
genocidio nei paesi baltici? 
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 tonigoebbels non ho detto "tutti" ma parte di quei comunisti erano
No, hai detto "faresti bene a informarti di quale etnia erano i compagni 
dell'NKVD che spazzavano via etc etc."
Secondo le fonti di cui sopra, quei "compagni" sono serial killer e criminali di 
guerra. A parte te e un bel po' di fascisti e antisemiti, non è facile trovare 
associ "assassini dell'NKVD = ebrei"
Guarda, ti mostro un po' di nazi di merda, bastardi antisemiti, che ragionano 
come te.
David Irving:
The Membership of this [Ukranian] NKVD was predominantly Jewish:
What was the membership of this NKVD that we see above being so repeatedly 
blamed for the massacre of Ukrainians in the days before occupation by German 
forces? In my analysis [of statistical data in the Ukrainian Archives in the 
USA] presented by Yuri Shapoval, I arrive at the conclusion
La feccia di Jew Watch:
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR.html
My relatives and my fellow Christians were murdered in the USSR under Jewish 
Marxism between 1917-1945, and many of the Marxists came to Russia from New York 
to do this to Christians in 1917 after Jacob Schiff, the Jewish anti-Christian 
maniac banker who owned The Guaranty National Trust, the largest bank in the 
United States, financed Lenin and Trotsky $35 million for the Red Revolution and 
the mass killing of these Christian souls. We must never forget this.
"Many Lithuanians … blame Jews for the Soviet invasion, as the early Communist 
ranks were filled with a disproportionate number of Jews."
Credo possa bastare.
Tb

 anti-Semitism of the non-Jewish peoples.
L'antisemitismo ungherese è stato costruito in questo stesso identico modo, dal 
1919 in poi.
Ma la cosa curiosa è che la stessa leggenda del killer comunista/giudeo che ci 
racconta serghei, continui a essere spacciata da nazi di mezzo mondo, David 
Irving in testa.
Strani incontri "intellettuali", nevvero?
Tb

 Palle. "di che etnia erano i compagni dell'NKVD che spazzavano via etc etc"
cialtronazzo, se ne parla in :
Lieven, Antol. The Baltic Revolution, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and
the Path to Independence, Yale University Press, New Haven and London 1993.
guardacaso una delle fonti che cita perfino il tuo lacche' russofobo
amalric ( che non sa piu' dove raspare con google e cita di tutto da
fascisti finlandesi a difensori degli aguzzini di Treblinka)
E ripeto : i baltici che NKVD colpiva erano animati da antisemitismo. E
per un malato anticomunismo tu ora li difendi pure. E ti spacci per ebreo
eh? 
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 come te.
cialtronazzo la mia fonte, che ho a casa e non raspata da google  come fai
tu e amalric che i libri non sapete cosa siano, e' 
Lieven, Antol. The Baltic Revolution, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and
the Path to Independence, Yale University Press, New Haven and London 1993.
Guardacaso questo libro e' nella bibliografia di un link citato dal tuo
lacche' in russofobia, quello su The Holocaust in the Baltics
E' una specie di Irving questo signore per te?
Io lo ripeto : non ci vedo proprio nulla di strano nel fatto che gli ebrei
siano stati tra i bolscevichi e tra le file del NKVD.
 
Quello che c'e' di strano e' che tu, che ti spacci per un ebreo, accecato
dall'anticomunismo ti metta a difendere coloro che prima perseguitavano e
poi   massacrarono gli untermensch slavi ed ebrei nei paesi baltici
insieme .
Roba da psicanalisi. 
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 Ti metti a fare il marchettaro, ora che te la fai sotto, 
qui se c'e' uno che fa il marchettaro (tradizione di famiglia?) e che se
la fa sotto sei solo tu, che ha paura perfino dei ng di Storia. LOL!
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 e lo sei, sia verme sia fascio 
Strano perche' ho sempre votato a sinistra e su IPI combattuto o 
ignorato i fasci.
Adesso che documento stragi del NKVD cioe' comuniste e sovietiche allora 
sono diventato fascista?
A te si applica in pieno il paragrafo 12 del Manifesto di Euston:
 Per la verita' storica
 
Nel ricollegarci con le origini umaniste del movimento per il progresso 
umano, dobbiamo enfatizzare il dovere del rispetto che un vero 
democratico ha per la verita' storica. Non sono solo i fascisti, i 
negazionisti dellšolocausto e i loro simili ad aver cercato di offuscare 
i fatti storici. Una delle tragedie della sinistra č che la sua 
reputazione su questo punto č stata gravemente compromessa dal movimento 
comunista internazionale, ed alcuni ancora non hanno imparato la 
lezione. Onesta' politica e trasparenza sono obblighi primari per noi.
Tu, Sergio, stai negando il martirio dei paesi baltici e l'inizio 
dell'Olocausto9 fatto dalle truppe sovietiche.
Tu'' stai *screditando* la sinistra europea, e facendo diffamazione.
Am.

 Tu'' stai *screditando* la sinistra europea, e facendo diffamazione.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 rimangiato? sei un pinocchio
Non mi sono rimangiato un bel nulla. Mi costringi di nuovo a citarle, e 
lo faro' per l'ultima volta:
Stragi del NKVD:
Rainiai massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainiai_massacre
La strage di Tartu
ttp://
www.expatexchange.com/lib.cfm?articleID=2265&start=1732&page=1
Non ripetero' la lista delle deportazioni in Siberia di ebrei baltici, 
fatta dal NKVD - dando cosi' inizio all'Olocausto, secondo l'autore - 
per non aggravare gli utenti del NG.
L'indirizzo e' questo:
http://depts.washington.edu/baltic/papers/holocaust.html
 
E adesso se non sai leggere, va dall'oculista o dallo psichiatra, che 
con il tuo negazionismo stai diventando la vergogna della sinistra.
Am.

 Non mi sono rimangiato un bel nulla. Mi costringi di nuovo a citarle, 
ah va  bene per una segnalazione all'abuse di tin 
E rimani un falsificatore degno della combriccola dei collaborazionisti
baltici delle SS, visto che nel link non si parla di stragi di ebrei da
parte sovietica.
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