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Titolo: Ma come mai in Russia il popolo non lo rimpiange?

In compenso i russofobi da ng versano grandi lagrimoni...
http://www.worldnewsaustralia.com.au/region.php?id=136509&region=3
Yeltsin stirs anger in Russia
Even traditional respect for the dead could not temper Russians'
deep-seated anger towards Boris Yeltsin as they reacted to his death. 
On the streets of Moscow, residents railed against the many perceived
failures of Russia's first post-Soviet president, from the break-up of the
USSR, the war in Chechnya and the selloff of state assets to a handful of
oligarchs. 
Walking arm-in-arm with his wife, retired doctor Vladimir reflected the
bitterness that many older Russians still feel at Yeltsin's role in
bringing about the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. 
"I trusted him and he sold out our country," said Vladimir, 61. "My father
spent 50 years in the (Communist) party and thought that what he did was
for the good of the people. In the end, everything he did was for a
handful of embezzlers." 
Looking aghast, Vladimir's wife pulled on his arm. 
"Why say such things about a dead person? You must not," she chastised,
reflecting an especially strong tradition in Russia of not speaking ill of
the dead. 
But a passerby, overhearing the conversation, also showed no restraint. 
"Yeltsin is dead?" he shouted. "He was a traitor, a traitor! He sold
Russia to the lowest bidder." 
For some, Yeltsin's greatest failure was ordering troops into Chechnya in
1994 to suppress a separatist movement in the southern Russian region. 
Tens of thousands of civilians and thousands of Russian soldiers died
during the 1994-1996 Chechen war, which resulted in an embarrassing defeat
for the Russian military. Russian troops recaptured Chechnya in 1999 but
violence continues to plague the region. 
"I had no respect for him because I served in the army in the conflict
zone and I saw everything," said Gennady Alembayev, a white-haired,
44-year-old veteran. 
"We could have easily put a stop to the war in Chechnya and made reforms,
but the top ranks of the army and the politicians were making money with
this war," he said, standing miserably in front of a stand selling Russian
blinys. 
Others were especially critical of Yeltsin's part in the privatization of
state assets after the Soviet collapse — a process that left a handful
very rich while millions slid deeper into dire poverty. 
"I have fairly negative feelings towards him because despite all the
negative aspects of the USSR, what he did, particularly the
privatizations, he did illegally, even criminally," said Dmitry Ulianov,
20, a philosophy student at the prestigious Moscow State University. 
Stuck in one of Moscow's infamous traffic jams, Timur, a 24-year-old
analyst with an investment fund, said he had mixed feelings about Yeltsin. 
While the former president was closely linked with Russia's democratic
transformation in the early 1990s, his subsequent handling of state assets
was wrong, Timur said. 
"What he did in terms of privatizations — I'm not saying it didn't have to
be done, but the way it was done was unacceptable." 
Some even rejoiced in Yeltsin's death, including about a dozen young
members of the Eurasian Union, a marginal nationalist group, who held an
impromptu street celebration outside Moscow's famed Bolshoi Theatre. 
"I think all of Russia is celebrating in silence," said one of them,
29-year-old Pavel Zarifulin. "(Yeltsin) destroyed the country — only
(Mikhail) Gorbachev did worse." 
Not everyone was so unforgiving, but even those who praised Yeltsin did so
with caveats. 
"Boris Yeltsin showed us that we could live differently, freely, and that
we must depend on ourselves, but he was isolated by those around him,"
said Piotr Loznitsa, a craftsman. 
"He never understood his main mistakes: the war in Chechnya, the poverty
of the people and Russia's geopolitical losses," as a result of the
collapse of the Soviet Union, Loznitsa said. 
SOURCE: AFP 
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 In compenso i russofobi da ng versano grandi lagrimoni...
ah io no. Anzi, se la Russia vuole riprendersi un po' della mafia che ha 
esportato in Israele, sarei pure d'accordo.

 In compenso i russofobi da ng versano grandi lagrimoni...
Nono. Immagino di essere russofobo secondo i tuoi standard, ma considero
Eltsin uno dei grandi mali capitati alla Russia/URSS

Andrea Nahum ha scritto:
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troppa concorrenza con la mafia locale?
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 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:RcmXh.10530$281....@tornado.fastwebnet.it...
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 esportato in Israele, sarei pure d'accordo.
appunto, chissenefrega dei russi, basta che la mafia non rompa i
coglioni al popolo eletto...

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:1177427924.4...@r35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
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perché, diciamocelo, non si può essere russi e israeliani allo stesso tempo 
! E non è nemmeno possibile essere russi ed ebrei. E che cazzo, si 
decidano... 

 troppa concorrenza con la mafia locale?
assolutamente sě. La malavita israeliana se la cavava benissimo con ebrei di 
origine rumena, famiglie beduine locali e capimafia palestinesi: c'era una 
equa ripartizione dei rischi, delle risorse e dei profitti. Poi sono 
arrivati gli ebrei russi ed č scoppiato il casino.

i media russi sono troppo filtrati per dirci la verità
ecco un ricco profilo di eltsin 
http://www.comincialitalia.net/interna.asp?id_tipologia=5&id_articolo=2739

 esportato in Israele, sarei pure d'accordo.
poi dite che non siete razzisti....di 300 milioni di russi ve ne
sbattete la minchia, di qualche mafioso esportato in Eretz Israel vi
preoccupate...

 non è nemmeno possibile essere russi ed ebrei.
e perchè mai?