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Steve Anderson - saw a commercial jet barrel into the Pentagon. "To
say it was like a dream is an understatement," he says. "It was
unbelievable. This giant, incredible, orange ball of fire shot into
the air."
(More) - A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the
plane caught my eye.  I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the
pilot was flying so low.  I watched in horror as the plane flew at
treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the
ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a
giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
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Sergeant Maurice L. Bease, Marine - had worked around Marine aviation
long enough to know what a fly-by was, and it sounded like one as he
stood outside his office near the Pentagon on Sept. 11. Turning around
expecting to see a fighter jet fly over, he saw only a split-second
glimpse of a white commercial airliner streaking low toward the
building, and him! He did not even have time to duck before it plowed
into the side of the Pentagon around the corner and about 200 yards
from where he stood.
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Mickey Bell, Singleton Electric foreman - The jet came in from the
south and banked left as it entered the building, narrowly missing the
Singleton Electric trailer and the on-site foreman. Bell had just left
the trailer when he heard a loud noise. The next thing he recalled was
picking himself off the floor, where he had been thrown by the blast.
Bell, who had been less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the
plane, was nearly struck by one of the plane´s wings as it sped by
him.
(More) - The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn´t realized
until coworkers noticed damage to Bell´s work vehicle. He had plastic
and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had
no idea what had happened.
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Richard Benedetto, USA TODAY reporter - saw the plane slam into the
Pentagon. "It sounded like an artillery shell. It hit on the west side
of the building, near the helipad."
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Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just
looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming
right at us and I just watched it hit the building."  "It exploded. I
fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the
metal going through the building." The crew, Boger and Spc. Jacqueline
Kidd, air traffic controller and training supervisor, prepared for
President George W. Bush to arrive from Florida around 12:30 p.m.
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James R. Cissell, former photojournalist - ''Out of my peripheral
vision,'' Cissell said, ''I saw this plane coming in and it was low -
and getting lower.  ''I thought, 'This isn't really happening. That is
a big plane.' Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on
board,'' Cissell said.  Then the plane, which was taking out telephone
and power lines on its way in, hit the building.  While he remembers
seeing the crash, Cissell remembers none of the sounds.  ''It came in
in a perfectly straight line,'' he said.  ''It didn't slow down. I
want to say it accelerated. It just shot straight in.''
(No other E/W's describe seeing passengers in the windows.)
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Michael DiPaula, 41, project coordinator Pentagon Renovation Team - He
left a meeting in the Pentagon just minutes before the crash, looking
for an electrician who didn't show, in a construction trailer less
than 75 feet away. "Suddenly, an airplane roared into view, nearly
shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring. 'It
sounded like a missile,'  DiPaula recalls . . . Buried in debris and
covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as
missing, but eventually crawled from the flaming debris and the shroud
of black smoke unscathed.
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Daryl Donley - "It just was amazingly precise," Donley... said of the
plane's impact. "It completely disappeared into the Pentagon."
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Steve Eiden, truck driver -  He took the Highway 95 loop in the area
of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted
airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low.
"You could almost see the people in the windows," he said as he
watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall
plume of black smoke. 
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Penny Elgas - the plane was directly over the cars in front of my car,
the plane seemed to be not more than 80 feet off the ground and about
4-5 car lengths in front of me. It was far enough in front of me that
I saw the end of the wing closest to me and the underside of the other
wing as that other wing rocked slightly toward the ground. I remember
recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the
windows and the color stripes.
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Fred Gaskins, national editor at USA TODAY - "(The plane) was flying
fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target," who was driving
to his job... near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet
overhead. "It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint
that anything was wrong."
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Gilah Goldsmith, personnel attorney at the Pentagon - "We saw a huge
black cloud of smoke," she said, saying it smelled like cordite, or
gun smoke.
(cordite - A smokeless explosive powder consisting of nitrocellulose,
nitroglycerin, and petrolatum that has been dissolved in acetone,
dried, and extruded in cords.)
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Afework Hagos, computer programmer - was on his way to work but stuck
in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There
was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came
over. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to
balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."
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Terrance Kean, 35 - who lives in a 14-story building nearby, heard the
loud jet engines and glanced out his window.  "I saw this very, very
large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a
move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose
penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and
there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of
surreal."
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D. S. Khavkin - my husband and I heard an aircraft directly overhead.
At first, we thought it was the jets that sometimes fly overhead.
However, it appeared to be a small commercial aircraft. The engine was
at full throttle.  First, the plane knocked down a number of street
lamp poles, then headed directly for the Pentagon and crashed on the
lawn near the west side the Pentagon.
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Lincoln Liebner, Army Captain - "I saw this large American Airlines
passenger jet coming in fast and low,"
Captain Liebner says the aircraft struck a helicopter on the helipad,
setting fire to a fire truck.
"We got one guy out of the [fire truck] cab," he said, adding he could
hear people crying inside the wreckage.
(More)
From his vantage point, Maj. Leibner looked up and saw the plane come
in. "I was about 100 yards away," he said. "You could see through the
windows of the aircraft. I saw it hit."
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David Marra, 23, information-technology specialist - "It was 50 ft.
off the deck when he came in. It sounded like the pilot had the
throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled
right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." There is a
helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing
touched there, then the plane cartwheeled into the building.
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Father Stephen McGraw - "I did not hear anything at all until the
plane was just right above our cars." McGraw estimates that the plane
passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane
of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon.  "The plane clipped
the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi
driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. "I saw it
crash into the building," he said. "My only memories really were that
it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense
that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression,"
he said.
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William Middleton Sr. - was running his street sweeper through the
cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton
looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be
fighting with his own craft.  Middleton said the plane was no higher
than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon.
The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into
the building.
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Terry Morin - The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me
and the outer portion of the FOB.  I estimate that the aircraft was no
more than 100 feet above me in a slight nose down attitude.  The plane
had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I
believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I
couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to
authorities.  Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO
and was heading directly towards the Pentagon.  Engines were at a
steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were
steady and full.  The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth,
and controlled.  I could now only see the tail of the aircraft.  I
then confirmed that the aircraft had been flown directly into the
Pentagon without hitting the ground first or skipping into the
building.
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Christopher Munsey, Navy Times reporter - I couldn’t believe what I
was now seeing to my right: A silver, twin-engine American Airlines
jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex, fast, low and
straight toward the Pentagon, just hundreds of yards away.
The plane, with red and blue markings, hurtled by and within moments
exploded in a ground-shaking “whoomp,” as it appeared to hit the side
of the Pentagon.
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Vin Narayanan, reporter USA Today - "The plane exploded after it hit,
the tail came off and it began burning immediately... driving near the
Pentagon when the plane hit.
(More) - 
Then I looked up to my left and saw an American Airlines jet flying
right at me. The jet roared over my head, clearing my car by about 25
feet. The tail of the plane clipped the overhanging exit sign above me
as it headed straight at the Pentagon.  The windows were dark on
American Airlines Flight 77 as it streaked toward its target, only 50
yards away.  But the Pentagon's wall held up like a champ. It barely
budged as the nose of the plane curled upwards and crumpled before
exploding into a massive fireball.
The people who built that wall should be proud. Its ability to
withstand the initial impact of the jet probably saved thousands of
lives.
I hopped out of my car after the jet exploded, nearly oblivious to a
second jet hovering in the skies.
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John O’Keefe - “I don’t know whether I saw or heard it first -- this
silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines
jet,” said the 25-year-old O’Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an
American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. “It came swooping in
over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car
was heading. 
“The eeriest thing about it, was that it was like you were watching a
movie. There was no huge explosion, no huge rumbling on ground, it
just went ‘pfff.’ It wasn’t what I would have expected for a plane
that was not much more than a football field away from me. 
“The first thing I did was pull over onto the shoulder, and when I got
out of the car I saw another plane flying over my head, and it scared
...me, because I knew there had been two planes that hit the World
Trade Center. And I started jogging up the ramp to get as far away as
possible. 
“Then the plane -- it looked like a C-130 cargo plane -- started
turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.
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Mary Ann Owens, Gannett News Service employee - "Instantly I knew what
was happening, and I involuntarily ducked as the plane passed perhaps
50 to 75 feet above the roof of my car at great speed," Owens said.
"The plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon. The impact was
deafening. The fuselage hit the ground and blew up."
(More) - Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I
involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head.
Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped
and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the
southwest wall of the Pentagon.
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Steve Patterson, 43, graphics artist -  saw a silver commuter jet fly
past the window of his 14th-floor apartment in Pentagon City. The
plane was about 150 yards away, approaching from the west about 20
feet off the ground.
He said the plane, which sounded like the high-pitched squeal of a
fighter jet, flew over Arlington cemetary so low that he thought it
was going to land on I-395. He said it was flying so fast that he
couldn't read any writing on the side.
The plane, which appeared to hold about eight to 12 people, headed
straight for the Pentagon...He said the plane, which approached the
Pentagon below treetop level, seemed to be flying normally for a plane
coming in for a landing other than going very fast for being so low.
Then, he said, he saw the Pentagon "envelope" the plane and bright
orange flames shoot out the back of the building.
"It looked like a normal landing, as if someone knew exactly what they
were doing," said Patterson, a graphics artist who works at home.
"This looked intentional."
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Christine Peterson - I was at a complete stop on the road in front of
the helipad at the Pentagon; what I had thought would be a shortcut
was as slow as the other routes I had taken that morning.  I looked
idly out my window to the left -- and saw a plane flying so low I
said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car” (not my actual
words).  The car shook as the plane flew over.  It was so close that I
could read the numbers under the wing.  And then the plane crashed.
My mind could not comprehend what had happened.  Where did the plane
go?  For some reason I expected it to bounce off the Pentagon wall in
pieces.  But there was no plane visible, only huge billows of smoke
and torrents of fire.
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Lon Rains, Editor at Space News - With the Pentagon to the left of my
van at about 10 o’clock on the dial of a clock, I glanced at my watch
to see if I was going to be late for my appointment.
At that moment I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound that began
behind me and stopped suddenly in front of me and to my left. In
fractions of a second I heard the impact and an explosion. The next
thing I saw was the fireball.
I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded
nothing like an airplane. Friends and colleagues have asked me if I
felt a shock wave and I honestly do not know.
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Rick Renzi, a law student - ''The plane came in at an incredibly steep
angle with incredibly high speed,''... was driving by the Pentagon at
the time of the crash about 9:40 a.m.  The impact created a huge
yellow and orange fireball, he added. Renzi, who was interviewed at
the scene by FBI agents, said he stopped his car to watch and saw
another plane following and turn off after the first craft's impact.
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James S. Robbins, a national-security analyst & NRO contributor - I
was looking directly at it when the aircraft struck. The sight of the
757 diving in at an unrecoverable angle is frozen in my memory, but at
the time, I did not immediately comprehend what I was witnessing.
There was a silvery flash, an explosion, and a dark, mushroom shaped
cloud rose over the building.
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Tom Seibert, 33,  a network engineer at the Pentagon - "We heard what
sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom,"  "We were sitting
there and watching this thing from New York, and I said, you know, the
next best target would be us. And five minutes later, boom."
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Master Sgt. Noel Sepulveda, Air Force - He saw the plane fly above a
nearby hotel and drop its landing gear. The plane’s right wheel struck
a light pole, causing it to fly at a 45-degree angle, he said. The
plane tried to recover, but hit a second light pole and continued
flying at an angle. "You could hear the engines being revved up even
higher," Sepulveda said.  The plane dipped its nose and crashed into
the southwest side of the Pentagon.  "The right engine hit high, the
left engine hit low," Sepulveda said. "For a brief moment, you could
see the body of the plane sticking out from the side of the building.
Then a ball of fire came from behind it."
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Levi Stephens, 23, courier Armed Forces Information Service -
According to one witness, "what looked like a 747" plowed into the
south side of the Pentagon, possibly skipping through a heliport
before it hit the building.  Personnel working in the Navy Annex, over
which the airliner flew, said they heard the distinct whine of jet
engines as the airliner approached.  "I was driving away from the
Pentagon in the South Pentagon lot when I hear this huge rumble, the
ground started shaking … I saw this [plane] come flying over the Navy
Annex. It flew over the van and I looked back and I saw this huge
explosion, black smoke everywhere."
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Joel Sucherman, USA Today Editor - "My first thought was he's not
going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But
whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,"
Sucherman said. "It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at
a steep angle--almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its
target and staying dead on course."
"I didn't feel anything coming out of the Pentagon [in terms of
debris]," he said. "A couple of minutes later, police cars and fire
trucks headed to the scene." Ironically, the passage of emergency
vehicles got traffic moving again, which was now crunching over
twisted metal Sucherman guessed was the skin of the plane.
Off to the west, Sucherman saw another plane climb steeply and make a
sharp turn. "I thought, 'Is this thing coming around to make a second
attack? If there is another explosion, we're toast.'"
(Video) - "I did not see the engines, I saw the body and the tail; and
it was a silver jet with the markings along the windows that spoke to
me as an American Airlines jet, this was not a commercial, excuse me,
a business jet, it was not a lear jet, it was a bigger plane than
that." 
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Tim Timmerman - A pilot who saw the impact... said it had been an
American Airways 757. "It added power on its way in," he said. "The
nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball."
(More) - And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of --
it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was
dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw
the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything
in flames. It was horrible.  It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines,
no question.
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Jose Velasquez, NEXCOM Citgo station supervisor - "I knew something
was wrong. The planes come more from the north and west [to land at
Reagan National Airport] not from the south. And not so low."  His gas
station, open only to Department of Defense personnel... Velasquez
says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the
Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what
the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes
and took the film."
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Alan Wallace, Pentagon Firefighter - was standing outside his fire
station when he looked across the nearby interstate and saw a white
airplane with orange and blue trim heading almost straight at him. It
slammed into the building just a couple hundred feet from him. "When I
felt the fire, I hit the ground," he said.
(More) - President Bush was scheduled to fly from Florida that
afternoon, and his helicopter, Marine One, would carry him to the
Pentagon. That meant Secret Service everywhere and their cars blocking
the driveway.
So the meticulous Wallace moved the fire truck out of the way, parking
it about 15 feet from the Pentagon. 
Wallace looked up and saw the gleam of a silver jetliner. But it was
flying too low. Maybe less than 25 feet off the ground. 
"I yelled to Mark, 'Let's go!'" He bolted to the right and a second
later felt the searing heat of the blast behind him. He hit the ground
and rolled under a parked van as a fireball engulfed his fire truck,
then blew through the nearby firehouse. 
So Wallace switched on the truck's radio. "Foam 61 to Fort Myer," he
said. "We have had a commercial carrier crash into the west side of
the Pentagon at the heliport, Washington Boulevard side. The crew is
OK. The airplane was a 757 Boeing or a 320 Airbus."
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Dave Winslow, AP reporter - "I saw the tail of a large airliner ... It
ploughed right into the Pentagon."
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 Steve Anderson - saw a commercial jet barrel into the Pentagon. "To
[CUT]
Che strano...parlano tutti di un aereo di linea che si è schiantato sul
pentagono... Nessuno parla di F16, di UAV, o di missili cruise...
Hanno visto forse tutti lo stesso film? Un film chiamato "realtà".
Raffaele


Scopiazzato da
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/witnesses.html
Autorevolezza?  ZERO :)
-Stefano

Hanno visto forse tutti lo stesso film? Un film chiamato "realtà".
Leggi gli altri testimoni, furbacchione. E poi anche questi hanno
ognuno la sua variante.
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 ognuno la sua variante.
Che diversi testimoni diano testimonianze discordanti nei dettagli è
ovvio, banale. Nessuno, quando vede un evento, ricorda con precisione
tutti i minimi dettagli. Magari qualcuno nota che si è spezzata un'ala,
qualcun'altro che c'erano i passeggeri affacciati ai finestrini. Qualcuno
ricorderà che l'aereo arrivava da nord, mente magari arrivava da
nord-ovest, perchè il quel momento era convinto che quello era il nord.
Queste si chiamano impressioni. Come Aber potrà illustrarti meglio di me,
le testimonianze dei testimoni di un fatto possono variare nei dettagli,
perchè ognuno vede e ricorda le cose in maniera diversa, e le riferisce in
un'altra maniera ancora. Ma se un tir si è schiantato contro un'auto,
tutti ricorderanno di un camion e di un'auto. Forse qualcuno dirà che la
macchina era bianca, altri che era verde, altri che il camion era
un'autocisterna, altri che era un telonato, ma sempre un camion e un auto.
Nel caso specifico, la maggior parte dei testimoni dice di aver visto un
aereo di linea che sei schiantava sul pentagono, o che volava a bassissima
quota, ma sempre un aereo di linea. Non un caccia, o un cruise, o un UAV:
un aereo di linea. Poi forse qualcuno riconosce il modello, e dice che era
un 757, altri faranno confusione, e diranno che era un 747, altri non
diranno niente, perchè non se ne intendono granchè di aerei, ma sanno che
è simile a quelli che ha preso quando ha fatto le vacanze in texas...
Raffaele
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Giuseppe Calv ha scritto:
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Ah, riguardo agli altri testimoni, quelli che dicono "ho sentito un rumore
che sembrava quello di un F16" o "di un C-130" oppure "credo fosse un
missile, perchè è arrivato trppo velocemente", eccetera, non c'è NESSUNO
che dichiari di aver VISTO un missile, un C-130 o un caccia. Tutti hanno
solo sentito qualcosa che secondo loro poteva essere questa o quella cosa.
Tutti quelli che hanno visto lo schianto dicono di aver visto un aereo
colpire il pentagono, altri dicono di aver visto un aereo sorvolare a
bassissima quota la città in direzione del pentagono.
Trovaci dei testimoni che abbiano VISTO un missile o un caccia o un C-130
sorvolare o schiantarsi sul pentagono.
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aereo di linea che sei schiantava sul pentagono,
no. hanno detto che ha urtato per terra e poi nel pentagono. Dove sono
i segni?
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 i segni?
Intendi prima o dopo che le squadre di soccorso li hanno ricoperti di
sabbia e pietre per potersi muovere con i mezzi di soccorso? In quasi
tutte le foto si può facilmente notare che non c'è erba, ma sabbia, sotto
i mezzi di soccorso. Perchè non ci dimostri che non c'erano tracce
dell'impatto portando qualche foto fatta PRIMA dell'arrivo dei mezzi di
soccorso.
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no. hanno detto che ha urtato per terra e poi nel pentagono.
Prendi la tua lista di testimoni del ca**o e cita dove parlano del fatot
che avrebbe urtato terra.
Se non lo fai sei solo un emertio coglione che parla per il gusto di
trollare.
Forza!
E preciso una cosa: voglio che *ALMENO UN TERZO* dei testimoni affermi
che "ha urtato per terra e poi nel pentagono".  Perche' se lo dice solo
uno o due conta meno di zero.
-Stefano

 Forza!
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1: non tutti i testimoni hanno visto direttamente l'impatto
2: non tutti i testimoni hanno descritto le fasi dell'impatto
3: alcuni testimoni (uno lo ricordo per certo) descrive l'impatto di
un'ala sul terreno, e poi dello schianto dell'aereo sul pentagono.
Hai letto almeno alcune delle testimonianze?
raffaele
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 Hai letto almeno alcune delle testimonianze?
Certo. Lui invece no visto che continua con sta ca***ta dell'aereo che
"ha urtato per terra e poi contro il pentagono".
-Stefano

soccorso.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09112001_200109114.html
Prima foto 
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uno o due conta meno di zero.
Dove avrei detto che ha urtato a terra e poi *nel* pentagono?
Inoltre, quello che vuoi tu non conta un cazzo, trollone.
Peppino Calvo ALIAS peppiniello.

Inoltre, quello che vuoi tu non conta un cazzo, trollone.
Solo perche' tanto fai figure di merda una dietro l'altra :)
-Stefano

 Prima foto
Dove c'e' scritto:
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Smoke and flames rise from the Pentagon as firefighters continue to work
to put the flames out.
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Se quindi ci sono "firefighters" vuol dire che i mezzi di soccorso sono
gia' arrivati.
Riprova, sarai piu' fortunato (e farai meno la figura del fesso)
-Steafno

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Posta una reference, un ID o un link. Quella cosa che hai riportato
non ha alcun valore.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:15:17 GMT
http://www.911uncovered.com/pentagon.html
Era il compito in classe che raffaele castagno, studente svogliato,
non ha fatto.
Prima di bocciarlo glielo ripeto:
"Data la foto, indicare il punto di impatto dell'aereo, ricordando che
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lo stesso ha impattato prima per terra".
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Ora te le ricordi le minchiate che scrivi oppure non basta ancora? :)
-Stefano

Comunque eccoti i tuoi messagge-id
Quindi tu sostieni che un aereo sei è schiantato *sul* pentagono?
Peppino Calvo ALIAS peppiniello.

Quindi tu sostieni che un aereo sei è schiantato *sul* pentagono?
Coglione!  Sei tu l'autore di quei message-id!
Mostraci che ha toccato terra prima di schiantarsi contro il pentagono.
Altrimenti smettila con sta ca***ta.
-Stefano

 Raffaele Castagno wrote:
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Cacchio, era poi la prima....
" I watched in horror as the plane flew at
treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the
ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a
giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."
dove drug non sta per droga, ma č il past tense di drag, trascinare.
Raffaele
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Cacchio, era poi la prima....
Ora mi mostri le restanti per arrivare almeno ad 1/3 delle testimonianze
elencate?
-Stefano

Giuseppe Calv ha scritto:
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..in quella foto è gia crollata la porzione colpita, altro che prima
dell'arrivo dei mezzi di soccorso...
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 Raffaele Castagno wrote:
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Veramente tu avevi detto nessuna, e io ti ho mostrato che almeno una c'č.
Per il resto, non sono certo fatti miei.
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Per il resto, non sono certo fatti miei.
Cioe'? Entri in un discorso, spari due stronzate e poi non sono fatti
tuoi? :)
-Stefano

dell'arrivo dei mezzi di soccorso...
E con questo?
Peppino Calvo ALIAS peppiniello.

Coglione!  Sei tu l'autore di quei message-id!
Se lo dici tu...
Peppino Calvo ALIAS peppiniello.

 E con questo?
Hai fatto l'ennesima figura da idiota visto che ti aveva chiesto
*ESPRESSAMENTE* una
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Perchč non ci dimostri che non c'erano tracce dell'impatto portando
qualche foto fatta PRIMA dell'arrivo dei mezzi di soccorso.
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-Stefano

 Se lo dici tu...
No. Lo dicono gli header associati a quei message-id
-Stefano

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Prima di tutto non l'ha mai chiesta *espressamente*. Secondo, che il
muro sia crollato o meno non c'entra un cazzo.
Come te.
Peppino Calvo ALIAS peppiniello.

Come te.
Ennesima figura di merda che hai fatto.  Come troll vali veramente poco.
-Stefano