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Titolo: Ma che sorpresa!

From Stephen Farrell in Sudaliya
Radio and hospital reports contradict the Israeli account of fatal
beach explosion
THE Israeli Army has admitted to The Times that its official account of
the explosion that killed eight Palestinians picnicking on a Gaza beach
last week was flawed. The account is also contradicted by a UN radio
transmission.
The army has told The Times that its report was flawed because it
failed to mention two gunboat shells fired at about the time of the
deaths. It insists, however, that they landed too far away to have been
responsible.
Video footage of the anguished 11-year-old Huda Ghalia running between
the corpses of her family on the beach at Sudaliya caused fury across
the Arab world. Immediately the explosion Israel expressed regret and
suspended all artillery fire - but never admitted responsibility.
On Tuesday the Israeli military issued the results of an investigation
that exonerated itself. Officials said that the explosion could have
been caused by a Palestinian landmine. "The accumulating evidence
proves that [Friday's] incident was not because of Israeli forces,"
Amir Peretz, the Defence Minister, said.
Israel says that its land artillery batteries fired six shells at
northern Gaza between 4.30pm and 4.48pm that afternoon, and that it can
account for all but one, which was fired at 4.30pm. However, its
investigation said that that shell was aimed too far away to have
killed the Palestinians.
The investigation relies heavily on timing. It cites surveillance
footage of the beach showing that it was quiet between 4.54 and 4.57pm,
and film of ambulances apparently arriving at the scene at 5.15.
It says that the incident must therefore have happened between 4.57 and
5.10pm - at least nine minutes after it says it stopped firing land
artillery.
But The Times has established that at 4.43pm the UN received a radio
call from one of its officials in northern Gaza that said: "At
16.33hrs IDF artillery shelling has started again targeting the
northern area, two artillery shells so far. One of the shells fell down
at the coast west of the evacuated old Dugit settlement, some
casualties among the people spending their day at the . . . "
Transmissions could be picked up by anyone with a scanner, which are
widely available in Gaza.
Presented with the evidence of the UN transmission last night,
Major-General Meir Kalifi, who led the Israeli investigation, insisted
that the 4.33pm report was an earlier incident, near the abandoned
settlement of Dugit. "[We] know of a request from the Red Cross to
the Red Crescent at 4.30pm regarding one wounded individual along the
beach. [We] believe that that is the case you are referring to,"
General Kalifi said. "This is most likely in the Dugit area. Indeed
they were shelling in the Dugit area, but the Dugit area was not near
the incident. It was 700 metres away."
However, Israeli military officials did concede that they made an error
in the summary of the investigation's conclusions concerning shells
fired by ships. It cited General Kalifi as saying that all 17 naval
shells were fired "approximately four hours before the incident".
Israeli officials have now told The Times that two naval shells were
fired at about the time of the deaths - at 4.24pm and 4.55pm - but
that they were too far away to matter. Captain Jacob Dallal, an Israeli
army spokesman, said: "The announcement was wrong. The announcement
referred to the shells fired in the area of the incident before noon.
We apologise."
Palestinian hospital and ambulance records - some computerised, some
handwritten and far from reliable - also contradict aspects of the
Israeli chronology, as do survivor accounts. Those indicate that the
fatal explosion may have happened before 4.54, when Israel's aerial
cameras were trained on the quiet beach.
The logs of Kamal Adwan hospital, in northern Gaza, also show that
seven patients were admitted at 5.05pm, ten minutes before Israel says
it filmed ambulances arriving.

it filmed ambulances arriving.
Il che dice poco.  O il filmato e' falso o non ci puo' essere un
rapporto tra quei feriti e tale evento.
Oppure quei feriti non sono stati portati all'ospedale con ambulanze.
-Stefano

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Come no *pat pat* . Fra poco ti facciamo Professore Emerito in 
Patafisica, ossia la Scienza delle Soluzioni Immaginarie...
Intanto che il tiro delle artiglierierie navali ci sia stato nelle 
'vicinanze' e' gia' emerso...
Adesso tocca ficcare cento metri di li', e 5 minuti di la' - LOL!  Ma tu 
fai pure, che un po' di ginnastica non fa male a quel mononeurone spento 
e sciupato...
Am.
PS se le panzane dei propagandisti fossero euro saremmo tutti ricchi qui 
dentro...

qui dentro...
Tu piu' di tutti, visto quante ne spari :)
-Stefano

 Embe'? Bisogna che ci sia stato *IN QUEL PUNTO* e *A QUELL'ORARIO*.
Perche' senno' e' stata una mina palestinese, vero? Rotfl mi ricorda 
tanto la versione di Ustica basata su una bomba mai dimostrata...
Good Luck sparaballe e facciacomeilculo. Per sfortuna per te c'erano 
osservatori esterni...
LOL!
Am.

Per sfortuna per te c'erano osservatori esterni...
Certo, certo...
*pat pat*
Infatti sono tutti li a dire che e' un proiettile israeliano!!!
*pat pat*
-Stefano

 responsible.
A 700 metri di distanza (per ora - prima degli osservatori le shells non 
c'erano nemmeno)
STRA-LOL a De Ce' alias Robert ROTFL-Falk, e altre faccecomeilculo 
cialtroniche...
Am.

e altre faccecomeilculo cialtroniche...
...disse la facciacomeilculo cialtronica mononeuronica... :)
-Stefano

 beach explosion
Che fine ha fatto il bagarozzo?
Chissa' se ha qualcosa da dire.
Dopo aver riportato le tre affidabili fonti giornalistiche che 
attribuivano le cause della strage ad una mina piazzata da Hamas.
Il video della strage e' disponibile qui:
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/israeli_artillery_kills_seven_members_of_a_palestinian_family_Jun_10_2006.html
K