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Titolo: Ma l'Irak non l'avevamo armato "noi"?


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 4a. Cecoslovacchia 7 %
A chi interessasse vedere di quali armi era dotato l' Irak :
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/weapons/index.html
Dalla lista è chiaro che la maggior parte delle stesse era originaria
dell' ex blocco comunista 
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La scoperta dell'acqua calda.
Carri, cannoni, aerei erano in prevalenza Russi, mai stato in Irak?
Nell'82 a Baghdad si tenne un summit dei paesi non allineati.
Saluti Cad Ali'

 Carri, cannoni, aerei erano in prevalenza Russi, mai stato in Irak?
Gia'.
Palmiro Pangloss
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"But, Michael, if you ever show up at my front door with a camera I'll 
kill you."
Clint Eastwood to Michael Moore
National Board of Review awards dinner at the Tavern on the Green, New 
York, NY 11.01.05


l'urss foraggiava di armi in modo così intenso un paese "non allineato"; 
forse sperava di poterlo allineare? o magari lo vedeva come roccaforte da 
opporre alla potenza delle nazioni islamiche. Già perché allora l'irak era 
un paese laico, per la radicalizzazione religiosa di quel paese dobbiamo 
oggi ringraziare george the ripper 

 oggi ringraziare george the ripper 
La Siria è un paese laico, vero?
Tb
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No e' amministrato da Komeini come tutti sanno.
Saluti Cad Ali'

 scoprirai con meraviglia che sono tue stati distinti
Pensavo potesse essere un esempio vivente e interessante per scoprire i
meccanismi una certa radicalizzazione religiosa prodotta da regimi
cosiddetti "laici".
Saddam aveva fatto lo stesso.
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 cosiddetti "laici".
Dato che nel mondo arabo generalmente i movimenti politici sono
perseguitati è abbastanza naturale che le opposizioni confluiscano verso
movimenti a carattere religioso,che godono di una maggiore liberta' di
espressione ed organizzazione.
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 11a. USA 1 % (con 200 armi)
Non c'era qualcuno che affermava che ciò era
dovuto all'economicità delle armi russe?
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 dovuto all'economicità delle armi russe?
Pare di ricordarlo anche a me.
Si vede che adesso quelle non russe sono diventate ancora più
economiche.
Tb
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 dell' ex blocco comunista
Per il materiale piů "sensibile", perň, chi meglio dei buoni, vecchi Estados
Unidos?
Namib
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Counterspin: Pro-War Mythology
By Scott Burchill
Sydney Morning Herald
January 28, 2003
It is true that Saddam Hussein has used these weapons before, against those
who couldn't respond in kind - Iranian soldiers and perhaps most infamously
on 17 March 1988 against "his own people" in the Kurdish city of Halabja.
Within half an hour of this attack over 5000 men, women and children were
dead from chemical weapons containing a range of pathogens which were
dropped on them.
If Washington and London are genuinely concerned about Iraq's WMD, why did
they continue to supply him with the means to acquire them for 18 months
after the attack on Halabja?
Initially, the US blamed Iran for the Halabja attack, a particularly cynical
ploy given Saddam had also used chemical weapons against Teheran's forces
during their nine-year conflict in the 1980s. In fact Washington continued
to treat Saddam as a favoured ally and trading partner long after the attack
on Halabja was exposed as his handiwork.
At the time, the Reagan Administration tried to prevent criticism of
Saddam's chemical attack on the Kurds in the Congress and in December 1989,
George Bush's father authorised new loans to Saddam in order to achieve the
"goal of increasing US exports and put us in a better position to deal with
Iraq regarding its human rights record."
Surprisingly, the goal was never reached. In February 1989, eleven months
after Halabja, John Kelly, US Assistant Secretary of State, flew to Baghdad
to tell Saddam Hussein that "you are a source for moderation in the region,
and the United States wants to broaden her relationship with Iraq."
According to the reports of a Senate Banking Committee, the "United States
provided the government of Iraq with 'dual-use' licensed materials which
assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system
programs. According to the report, this assistance included "chemical
warfare-agent precursors; chemical warfare-agent production facility plans
and technical drawings; chemical warfare-filling equipment; biological
warfare-related materials; missile fabrication equipment and missile system
guidance equipment." These technologies were sent to Iraq until December
1989, 20 months after Halabja.

Estados Unidos?
Peccato che il tuo articolo, preso pure da un sito del ca**o come
Counterpunch, non porta *NULLA* a sostegno delle sue tesi :)
-Stefano

 Unidos?
Tsk, tsk. Acqua pure qui.
Molto meglio i vecchi Estados Europeos Unidos:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_5_19/ai_97874290
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 Once the Chemical Weapons Convention was negotiated in 1989 in Paris
and ratified by all major producing countries, trade in banned chemicals
was highly regulated. And yet, as Iraq was forced to admit in 1997-98
when U.N. inspectors found the evidence, huge quantities of those same
chemicals and banned production equipment reached Iraq courtesy of
complacent governments and greedy corporations, banks and middlemen
beginning in the 1980s.
According to the Iraqi 1997-98 declaration, one of the biggest suppliers
was Exomet Plastics of Bombay, India
(...)
It supplied materials usable only for CW, such as 1,000 tons of thionyl
chloride, a chemical used to make mustard gas and sarin. It shipped 300
tons of phosphorus trichloride, 300 tons of dimethylamine HCl, 250 tons
of phosphorus oxychloride and 250 tons of P2S5--all for use in
manufacturing satin. It shipped another 192 tons of chlorethanol used
for making VX between 1988 and 1990.
At the same time these shipments were occurring, the Iraqi Ministry of
Agriculture purchased huge quantities of completely manufactured
pesticides for agricultural purposes from ICI, Ciba Gigy, Dow Chemical,
Roussel and others. 
One surprise in the Iraqi list was the appearance of Egypt's Abu Zaabal
Special Chemicals Co., a state-owned conglomerate with artillery and
ammunition plants run by the Egyptian Ministry for Military Production.
While Abu Zaabal's involvement in Iraq's programs was revealed during
the Scott commission inquiry in Britain in 1993, the quantities of
nerve-gas precursors delivered by Abu Zaabal, as declared by Iraq, is a
mind-boggling 1,300 tons in all. The Iraqis also state that Abu Zaabal
delivered 200 tons of hydrogen cyanide, a CW agent in its own right.
Iraq used cyanide agents in 1988, four years after this Egyptian
delivery, when it gassed thousands of Kurds in the town of Halabja.
(...)
Despite the years of war and U.N. inspections, Karl Kolb GmbH, the
German company that designed and built Iraq's main CW production plants
in the 1980s, never really left Baghdad. 
(...)
In 1999 and 2000, it submitted five requests to the U.N. Sanctions
Committee to sell close to $2 million in chemical- and possibly
biological-weapons-production gear. The equipment Karl Kolb wanted to
sell included a $271,000 "incubator," which was on a list of proscribed
equipment because of potential weapons use. All five requests from Karl
Kolb were put on hold by the U.S. government.
(...)
Other major suppliers mentioned in the Iraqi documents include German
chemical giant Preussag, equipment maker Schott Glasswerke, Dutch
chemical suppliers Melchemie, KBS and Philips Export, Fluka Chemia AG of
Switzerland and French partners De Dietrich and Protect SA. In all, the
Iraqis named 14 German, three Dutch, three Swiss and two French
companies as their top CW suppliers, although dozens more played
supporting roles.
(...)
Other major suppliers mentioned in the Iraqi documents include German
chemical giant Preussag, equipment maker Schott Glasswerke, Dutch
chemical suppliers Melchemie, KBS and Philips Export, Fluka Chemia AG of
Switzerland and French partners De Dietrich and Protect SA. In all, the
Iraqis named 14 German, three Dutch, three Swiss and two French
companies as their top CW suppliers, although dozens more played
supporting roles.
[ E per queanto riguarda il denaro ]
 The Iraqi documents portray a worldwide network of banks that actively
assist or have assisted Saddam Hussein in his efforts to procure weapons
of mass destruction during the last 20 years. Among those named and
their location:
Germany: Dresdner Bank (Aschaffenburg, Frankfurt and Hamburg); Deutsche
Bank (Dusseldorf, Frankfurt); Commerze Bank (Dusseldorf); Vereins and
West Bank (Hamburg); UBAE Arab German Bank (Frankfurt); Berlin Handels
und Frankfurt; DG Bank (Frankfurt); Westdeutsch Landes Bank
(Dusseldorf); Bayerische Landes Bank (Munich); Hypo Bank (Munich);
Manufacturers Hanover Trust (Germany).
Switzerland: Union Bank of Switzerland (St. Gall); Gothard Bank
(Lugano).
Spain: Banco Exterior De Espana.
Austria: Girozentrale, Creditanstalt Banken Verein (Vienna).
United States: Bank of Boston (New York City).
United Kingdom: Midland Bank (London); National Westminster Bank
(London); UBAF Bank (London); Barclays Bank (London); Dai-ich Kongyo
Bank (London).
France: Banque de France (Paris); Societe Generale (Paris); Credit
Lyonnais (Paris); Banque Nationale de Paris; Credit Commercial de
France.--KRT
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Credo possa bastare
Tb
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