Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Minculpop yanqui

From a New York Times editorial, 8/21/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/21/opinion/21sun1.html?ex=1282276800&en=2eb7f
07efc81fbc2&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Walking the Wrong Way
The Bush administration has announced plans for a Freedom Walk on
Sept. 11, which will start at the Pentagon and end at the National
Mall, and include a country music concert.
The event is an ill-considered attempt to link the Iraq war to the
terrorist attacks of 2001, and misguided in almost every conceivable
way.
It also badly misreads the public's mood.
The American people are becoming increasingly skeptical about the war.
They want answers to hard questions, not pageantry.
It is perfectly appropriate for the Defense Department to organize a
memorial for Americans who died on Sept. 11, since many were Pentagon
employees.
It is also fine to pay tribute to the sacrifices being made by the
troops in Iraq.
What is disturbing is the Bush administration's insistence on
combining the two in a politically loaded day of marching and
entertainment.
Having failed to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the
administration has been eager to repackage the war as a response to
Sept. 11.
The Freedom Walk appears to be devised to impress this false
connection on the popular imagination.
The walk will end with a concert by the country musician Clint Black.
Mr. Black is a gifted entertainer, but his song about the Iraq war, "I
Raq and Roll" - which contains such lyrics as "our troops take out the
garbage, for the good old U.S.A." - sends a jingoistic message that is
particularly out of place at a memorial service.
The Freedom Walk is being organized at a time when popular opinion has
been turning against the war.
In recent days, Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq,
has attracted enormous attention with her protest outside President
Bush's Crawford, Tex., ranch.
The increasing war toll and the sad stories of multiple losses in some
communities are reinforcing the message that the invasion of Iraq has
not been pain-free for all of the country.
The mother of a fallen marine, Lance Cpl. Edward Schroeder II - one of
16 Ohio-based marines killed in a recent three-day period - said last
week that the president should either "fight this war right or get
out."
These mothers are expressing concerns that a growing number of
Americans share.
In a recent Associated Press poll, just 38 percent of those surveyed
approved of President Bush's handling of Iraq.
In a Gallup poll this month, 57 percent said the war has made the
United States less safe from terrorism.
The Bush administration took the nation to war on the basis of a
bundle of ever-changing arguments, few of which stood up once the
fighting began.
Ever since, the White House has tried to shore up its positions by
discounting all bad news and shielding the civilian public from any
war-connected inconvenience.
But that strategy has very clearly stopped working.
It is time for a somber acceptance of the war's costs, and some
specific talk about what the nation's goals and strategy are in Iraq.
The Defense Department's ham-handed mixture of mourning and
celebration, and its misleading subtext, feels as if it was dreamed up
by an overly slick image consultant.
It is not the kind of program the administration should be sponsoring,
unless it wants to give the impression that the Pentagon's mood is
less serious than the public's.

 garbage, for the good old U.S.A."
Gia', ma il problema e' che noi europei poi ci ritroviamo con dei 
regimi islamici integralisti alle porte di casa, e infornate di 
terroristi.
Mai sfiorato il dubbio alle belle anime della sinistra che non e' una 
semplice questione  di buon gusto, o di ritirata con onore?
Am.

 semplice questione  di buon gusto, o di ritirata con onore?
Noi anime belle (non so voi anime deformi) abbiamo un'idea ben precisa delle
ragioni (i.e. dell'arrosto) dell'aggressione contro l'Iraq. Ciň non ci
impedisce di sghignazzare sulle patatine fritte (i.e. sulle freedom fries).
E' una colpa? Mi pento, polpottianamente.
Namib

 Namib
A me questi abissi di colpa mi sgomentano.Comunque avevo in mente una 
certa eulogia dell'IDF, caduta come un fulmine, sulla via di Damasco 
(era quella?)
Am.

 (era quella?)
Sai, io sono un comunista atipico, e credo nell'onore (a differenza del pur
laudando Lenin, che elogiava futuristicamente il tradimento). Ed onore mi è
parso di vedere sui volti e negli atti dei soldati israeliani, in occasione
dello sgombero di Gaza. Questo cambia forse la mia posizione (del resto,
irrilevante) sulla questione MO? No. Ero e rimango un filo-palestinese, ed è
proprio per questo che benedico laicamente questo ritiro, che apre nuove
prospettive per la disastrata economia di Gaza. Preferivi coloni kamikaze e
apocalittici & bambini arabi malnutriti ed assassini? Sorry. Io preferisco
che i combattenti zappino la terra, e non che ci finiscano sotto. Shalom.
Namib

 Ero e rimango un filo-palestinese
Bugiardo, ormai ti conosco bene, sei filo-palestinese quanto 
filo-israeliano.
Palmiro Pangloss
-- 
You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!

 filo-israeliano.
Se Namib fosse filo-palestinese rimarrebbe solo Sergio "al di sopra 
delle parti" (ROTFLando interiormente).
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 filo-israeliano.
Eddài: troppo irenismo. In fondo, abbiamo una discreta diversità di vedute,
in merito; ma si tratta - è vero - di tesi comunicanti, discutibili, non
immobili: roba con cui si costruisce, in genere. Shalom.
Namib
--
"Quem é humanitario não é humano"
(F. Pessoa)

 immobili: roba con cui si costruisce, in genere. Shalom.
Io e te - etutti gli altri qui - in merito alla specifica questione 
costruiamo poco.
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 che i combattenti zappino la terra, e non che ci finiscano sotto
?????
Bello! Pero' dopo 40  anni mi piacerebbe che i vecchi combattenti 
andassero in pensione, piuttosto che dover zappare la terra...
Eppoi pensi che Gaza fosse minimamente inglobabile in un Grande Israele?
Mi stupisco che un classicista come te non si ricordi del vallo di Adriano...
Am.