Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: La resistenza Irakena mangia i bambini

Parola della propaganda USA.   Come comunista, ho un motivo in piu'
per appoggiarli!
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56643
A reporter embedded with the U.S. military in Iraq reports a
government official has recounted a new atrocity by al-Qaida: several
instances in which terrorists baked a young boy, then invited his
family to lunch with the victim as the main course.
The report is from Michael Yon, a Special Forces soldier who returned
to Iraq to report on the successes there, inspired, he told radio talk-
show host Hugh Hewitt, by a "news cycle that seems to pander toward
the terrorists."
Yon was in Baqubah listening to the statements of an Iraqi official
who asked that his name not be reported. Yon said the Iraqi told him
al-Qaida arrived in Baqubah and united a number of criminal gangs,
leaving death and destruction behind.
"Speaking through an American interpreter, Lt. David Wallach, who is a
native Arabic speaker, the Iraqi official related how al-Qaida united
these gangs who then became absorbed into 'al-Qaida.' They recruited
boys born during the years 1991, 92 and 93 who were each given
weapons, including pistols, a bicycle and a phone (with phone cards
paid) and a salary of $100 per month, all courtesy of al-Qaida. These
boys were used for kidnapping, torturing and murdering people," said
Yon's dispatch, "Bless the Beasts and Children."
"At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new
al-Qaida directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought
differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in
Baqubah, al-Qaida invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to
their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he
said, who was about 11 years old," Yon continued.
"As Lt. David Wallach interpreted the man's words, I saw Wallach go
blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked
Wallach, 'What did he say?' Wallach said that at these luncheons, the
families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with
his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al-Qaida served the boy to
his family."
'Nobody lifted a finger'
In an exchange of e-mails with WND, since Yon was reporting this week
from a region with no telephone signal, he confirmed his report.
He was in Buqubah for several reasons.
"One of those reasons was that AP had just reported a massacre as fact
which turned out to be fallacy. Secondly, this mass murder I described
in 'Bless the Beasts and Children' occurred only about 3.5 miles from
where I am writing to you tonight. There were reporters here during
that time, including from AP, and AP also had a stringer here.
(Meaning they had two.) The 'massacre' that turned out to be a farce
but was reported by AP happened just days before my report of a real
massacre, but AP and others simply ignored despite having assets only
minutes away," he said.
"I gave the name of the village, grid coordinates, photos and posted
video, and published names of Iraqi and American officials who were
very easy to reach. Nobody lifted a finger. This upset a lot of people
at home, and rightfully so. I was here with hard evidence - photos,
video, grid coordinates and plenty of witnesses, yet flatline from
MSM," he told WND.
But he stayed in the area, asking questions.
"That's when one Iraqi official mentioned the baking," Yon said, a
report he said later was confirmed for him by other Iraqi sources.
"Perhaps it's urban legend. I have no idea. But my reporting was spot
on. ? I quoted someone and offered zero opinion," Yon, whose work is
financed directly by his readers, told WND.
He said while he did not witness this, there have been myriad other
atrocities.
"I have not just heard about them, I have seen them," he told WND.
Yon said in another dispatch he witnessed the excavation of the heads
of decapitated children.
"There is no imaginary line of credulity that al-Qaida might cross
should it go from beheading children to baking them," he wrote.
He added: "Al-Qaida: the organization that gleefully bragged about
murdering roughly 3,000 people by smashing jets full of civilians into
buildings and earth. Al-Qaida in Iraq: who proudly broadcast their
penchant for sawing off the heads of living breathing people, and in
such a manner as to ensure lots of spurting blood and gurgles of final
pain, in some cases with the added flourish of the executioner raising
up the severed head and squealing excitedly."
"People at home might find it incredible, improbable, even impossible.
Yet here in combat with al-Qaida, the idea is no more improbable-
sounding than someone saying 'The chicken crossed the road.' Maybe the
chicken crossed the road. Maybe not. The veterans I've been talking
with here have no difficulty imagining the chicken crossing the road,
or al-Qaida roasting kids. Sickening, yes. Improbable, no," he said.
"One clear indicator of just how bad a terrorist group is, is when
battle-hardened soldiers - and writers like me who travel with them -
don't find it hard to believe a story which purports that al-Qaida had
baked a child and set his roasted body out as the main course at a
lunch for his parents," he said.
A comment on Yon's website from "James" suggested the description
"barbarians" should apply.
"The moral equivalency argument needs to be crushed. We detain someone
without due process and AQI bakes a child and feeds him to his family.
Yet many people in the West are saying, 'We're no better.'"
'Report wouldn't surprise me'
A group with far more knowledge about torture and atrocities than it
would prefer is Washington, D.C.-based International Christian
Concern.
Policy analyst Jeremy Sewall told WND the report is "pretty extreme."
But he also said with the documentation of various other tortures,
"Your report wouldn't surprise me."
"I'm just thinking of a report about two Muslims who approached a
Christian boy at work at a mechanic's shop. They said, 'Are you a
Christian.' He said, "Yes.' And they beheaded him on the spot," Sewall
said.
He also cited the recently confirmed report from Turkey, where Muslims
martyred three Christians in an attack described as "gruesome."
In that case, "various body parts were chopped off," he confirmed. "It
was terrible."
Necati Aydin, Tilman Geske and Ugur Yuksel, (L to R) who were martyred
by Muslims in Turkey
As WND reported, Tilman Geske, a German citizen, and two Turkish
Christians were martyred - allegedly by five Muslims who met the three
victims at a Christian publishing company for a Bible study, according
to Voice of the Martyrs.
The report said Geske, 46, Pastor Necati Aydin and Ugur Yuksel were
killed with hundreds of stab wounds, and "they were disemboweled and
their intestines sliced up in front of their eyes."

 family to lunch with the victim as the main course.
Anche dei Serbi si è detto lo stesso, nel 1999. E era "L'Espresso", 
purtroppo.
Namib 

 purtroppo.
E' un topos abbastanza comune riguardo al "nemico".
Palmiro Pangloss

Parola della propaganda USA.
Che e' "propaganda" solo quando fa comodo a te.  Quando invece parlano
male degli USA allora e' "pura verita'" per i *FESSI* a 'la Torrieri :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 Parola della propaganda USA.   Come comunista
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From: 
lunog...@hotmail.com
Date: 23 Feb 2005 11:40:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Tra comunisti l'antisemitismo non paga (3)
Tonibaruch wrote:
 > Tu sei comunista, vero Torrieri?
No.
GT
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Tb
-- 
E' una grande mitzvah essere sempre felici (R. Nachman)

 E' un topos abbastanza comune riguardo al "nemico".
Vero, e infatti č *il* topos della disumanizzazione (cfr. il mito del 
Wendigo, sul quale esiste una bella monografia della Monaco, "Manitu e 
Wendigo", Bulzoni). Shalom.
Namib 

 Vero, e infatti č *il* topos della disumanizzazione
Sě, conosciamo.
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 Sě, conosciamo.
Perché al plurale?
Namib 

 Perché al plurale?
Perché le campagne di disumanizzazione, normalmente, sono collettive.
Sennò, che disumanizzazione sarebbe?
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 Perché le campagne di disumanizzazione, normalmente, sono collettive.
esperto eh?

Namib wrote:
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Ah. Leggo adesso.
Certo che chi perde del tempo applicando topos disumanizzanti a gente che mette 
autobombe nei mercati, oppure alle gloriose milizie di srebrenica, ha del bel 
tempo da perdere.
Cosa potrà mai aggiungere un bambino fatto arrosto e mangiato a quello che si 
vede in TV la sera?
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 Vero, e infatti è *il* topos della disumanizzazione
Beh, la disumanizzazione del nemico permette di sparargli piu' a cuor
leggero, non e' un caso che simili miti siano estremamente comuni
durante ogni conflitto. Nota che questo caso non prevede il mostro
nemico che mangia i bambini della parte che disumanizza, il mostro
mangia i bambini di una parte terza che i disumanizzatori proteggono.
Mi pare atipico.
Palmiro Pangloss

 Mi pare atipico.
Quoto.
-Stefano

 Mi pare atipico.
Che io sappia, resta tipico, in quanto, dal punto di vista antropologico, 
conta la funzione, non la trama in cui questa si inserisce (trama sovente 
assai varia e "autocontraddittoria": in alcune varianti mitiche, possono 
anche cambiare gli attori, ma permane un significato di fondo stratificato e 
funzionale): i "protetti" sono cannibali *ad opera* dei "disumani", su cui 
ricade quindi una doppia colpa (oltre la propria disumanità, anche quella 
"procurata": una sorta di stupro: altro tòpos). Del resto, il pericolo di 
"diventare in-umani" (vedasi la retorica sulla "banalità del male") incombe 
su tutti noi, e si esprime (molto spesso) con il cannibalismo (in sé), a 
livello simbolico. Ma anche l'infanticidio e (come dicevo) lo stupro (ma qui 
entra in gioco l'illegalità del legame sessuale, quindi una dinamica di 
"gruppi" che può essere molto complessa) sono nella top ten, e fin 
dall'antichità.
Namib 

 Mi pare atipico.
Quello che dice Namib non mi sembra del tutto sbagliato. Alla fine, nell'era 
delle guerre umanitarie, chi sia il cucinato č abbastanza indifferente ai fini 
della propaganda bellica.
Insisto perň sul mio piccolo punto: disumanizzatore i mozzateste che seminano 
bombe tra civili mi pare perň un'impresa pleonastica. Come lo era per i 
gentlemen di Srebrenica. Se la storia č stata inventata (sul che, considerati i 
protagonisti, non scommetterei fino all'ultimo penny), č stata inventata 
innecessariamente.
Molto diverso il caso di leggende metropolitane come quello dei soldati del 
Kaiser che mozzavano le mani ai bambini. O del feroce sionista che bombarda "a 
tappeto" "tutto il Libano".
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 tappeto" "tutto il Libano".
Contesti il "tappeto" o "tutto"? (Mi riferisco al 1982)

e fin dall'antichità.
Come no!  Infatti la violenza sessuale era reato "fin dall'antichita'"
proprio per questo :)
*ROTFL*
Se non esistessi dovrebbero inventarti :)
-Stefano

Contesti il "tappeto" o "tutto"? (Mi riferisco al 1982)
Entrambe.
-Stefano

 Leggenda metropolitana o preveggenza di 20 anni? **LOL**
Essere sempre felice dev'essere una grande mitzvah anche per i brunobruni.
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 seminano bombe tra civili mi pare però un'impresa pleonastica. 
Non credo che, in origine, sia propaganda, penso che sia l'equivalente 
bellico delle leggende metropolitane.
Palmiro Pangloss
-- 
Tarpaulin: Amarcord Cold War
http://tarpaulin.blogspot.com/

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ed è l'ennesima dimostrazione che la "libera" stampa occidentale non
è altro che il megafono dei pianificatori di guerre...