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Titolo: U.S. reassures Pakistan amid anti-American protests

Uhm. Mullen ingrana la retromarcia e la Clinton si cimenta in una 
spericolata distinzione tra terroristi buoni e terroristi cattivi.
Le solite cazzate.
 
Più interessante è il parere del generale pakistano in congedo, Talat 
Masood,
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U.S. reassures Pakistan amid anti-American protests
 
(Reuters) - The United States moved to ease tensions with Islamabad on 
Friday, telling Pakistan it would not send ground troops to attack 
militant positions in North Waziristan even as anti-American protests 
flared around the country.
 
The demonstrations by religious parties broke out in several Pakistani 
cities just a day after political leaders joined in rejecting U.S. 
accusations that Islamabad was supporting militants.
 
A senior U.S. official told Reuters on Friday that "there will be no 
boots on the ground" in Pakistan, a message he said "has been 
communicated to them (the Pakistanis)."
 
Charges by Admiral Mike Mullen, President Barack Obama's top military 
adviser, that Pakistan's spy agency had supported this month's attack on 
the U.S. Embassy in Kabul triggered a diplomatic fusillade over the past 
week.
 
Mullen, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, softened his 
rhetoric on Friday, telling a ceremony marking the end of his tenure 
that the U.S. relationship with Pakistan was "vexing and yet vital."
 
"I continue to believe that there is no solution in the region without 
Pakistan, and no stable future in the region without a partnership," 
said Mullen, who sometimes referred to himself as Pakistan's best friend 
in the U.S. military.
 
Obama acknowledged on Friday that Pakistan's relationship to the 
militant Haqqani network, believed responsible for the Embassy attack, 
is murky. But he urged Islamabad to tackle the problem anyway.
 
"The intelligence is not as clear as we might like in terms of what 
exactly that relationship is," Obama said in a radio interview, when 
asked about the Haqqani network.
 
"But my attitude is, whether there is active engagement with Haqqani on 
the part of the Pakistanis or rather just passively allowing them to 
operate with impunity in some of these border regions, they've got to 
take care of this problem," he said.
 
PAKISTAN DENIAL
 
The United States has long pressed Pakistan to pursue the Haqqanis, one 
of the most lethal Taliban-allied Afghan groups fighting Western forces 
in Afghanistan.
 
Pakistan denies it supports the Haqqanis and says its army is too 
stretched battling its own Taliban insurgency to go after the network, 
which has an estimated 10,000-15,000 fighters.
 
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, speaking to an audience in Little 
Rock, Arkansas, said Pakistan had a history of trying to distinguish 
between "good terrorists" that it could use for its own strategic 
purposes and "bad terrorists" that are working against it.
 
"I think it's important that we appreciate their perspective about where 
we both are now. That in no way excuses the fact that they are making a 
serious, grievous strategic error supporting these groups," she said.
 
The diplomatic flare-up has added to anti-American sentiment in a 
country, where a poll in June showed that almost two-thirds of the 
population considered the United States an enemy.
 
"The prevailing view in Pakistan is that because of our alignment with 
the United States, our problems have increased," said Talat Masood, a 
retired general and military analyst.
 
"America's view is the opposite: 'Because you are not aligning yourself 
with us, your problems are increasing.'"
 
"This is the whole dilemma at the moment," he said.
 
In Hyderabad, about 900 people from an anti-Shi'ite group whose militant 
arm has been accused of killing thousands of Pakistani Shi'ites since 
the 1990s, burnt an effigy of Obama and chanted "America is a murderer."
 
Other protests took place in Lahore and Peshawar.
 
MULLEN COMMENTS CONDEMNED
 
Dozens of political parties emerged from a conference on Thursday to 
condemn Mullen's accusations of state links to violent militants as 
"baseless allegations."
 
They also pledged to seek a political settlement with militants on both 
sides of the border.
 
"There has to be a new direction and policy with a focus on peace and 
reconciliation," their declaration read. "Pakistan must initiate a 
dialogue with a view to negotiate peace with our own people in the 
tribal areas."
 
The Haqqani network says it no longer has havens in Pakistan, feeling 
secure enough to operate in Afghanistan. Pakistani military officials 
say "no more than 10 percent" of the thousands of fighters operate in 
Pakistan and the rest are in Afghanistan.
 
Obama sent a letter to leaders of the U.S. Senate and House of 
Representatives on Friday saying he was staying the course with his 
Afghan war plan.
 
"We continue to implement the strategy and do not believe further 
modifications or adjustments to the metrics, resources, or authorities 
are required at this time," Obama wrote.
 
(Additional reporting by Qasim Nauman in Islamabad, Hamid Shaikh in 
Hyderabad, Zulfiqar Ali in Peshawar, Athar Hussain in Karachi and Paul 
Eckert and Andrew Quinn in Washington; Editing by Jonathan Thatcher and 
Xavier Briand)
 
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/09/30/uk-pakistan-usa-idUKTRE78T2MV20110930?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
 
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 Uhm. Mullen ingrana la retromarcia 
 
Good cop / Bad cop
 
Persio, sei un pirla
 
 
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recoil is insignificant when there is a tiger on the head of your elephant

 Le solite cazzate.
 
Beh, quando si ha a che fare con uno stato di credibilità nulla, non
vedo che altro gli si possa dare se non cazzate.
 
Piuttosto, sarebbero da biasimare se trattassero il Pakistan con
serietà.

 l'irredentismo pakistano.
 
Indubbiamente i brit avevano capacità molto maggiori nel costituire e 
mantenere rapporti con popoli di cultura diversa.  E' imbarazzante dirlo 
a proposito di espansioni imperialistiche, ma volendo confrontare 
l'imperialismo brit con quello yankee la differenza è evidente.
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 certe prese di posizione.
 
Oh, racconta che effetti ha l'opinione pubblica pakistana sul governo
USA?
 
A me risulta che non conti un cazzo nemmeno per il governo
pakistano... ma magari hai migliori informazioni.
 

 dall'India nella Partizione.
 
Ma, insomma... credo che a parte qualche percentuale di Punjabi, il
resto delle etnie pakistane si chiedono per quale cazzo di motivo
debbano stare sotto i Punjabi.
 
Molti Kashmiri, Sindhi, Baluchi e Parsi preferirebbero avere più
autonomia o addirittura un paese loro (Kashmiri e Baluchi
principalmente, per motivi storici), mentre per la maggiorparte dei
Patani (quelli veri, non quelli di Bossi) la cosa è indifferente.

 Stai forse suggerendo che il Pakistan non dovrebbe esistere, dhimmi? :)
 
A me dell'esistenza o meno di un paese mi importa una sega: sono cazzi
di chi ci sta e, al più, dei loro vicini o di chi c'ha degli
interessi.
 
Ho semplicemente riportato le mie conoscenze sulle opinioni di chi ci
vive.
 

 altro che con i soldi, sarebbe probabilmente impossibile.
 
Appunto per questo la condotta statunitense mi sembra spericolata al 
limite dell'incoscienza.  Si dice le rivolte arabe abbiano colto di 
sorpresa tutti; beh, a quanto pare vogliono farsi cogliere di sorpresa 
ancora una volta.
 
A meno che, dovendo necessariamente accorciare le linee a causa delle 
sue condizioni economiche disastrate, la strategia statunitense sia 
quella di non lasciarsi dietro un P.  intatto; che ritengano preferibile 
un P. diviso tra fazioni in lotta piuttosto che un paese  in grado di 
fare alleanze con i competitori.
 
Sarebbe una strategia cinica e arrischiata ma probabilmente efficace.
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 rischia di farla esplodere.
 
E' un problema del Pakistan. Gli USA devono pensare ai propri
problemi, non a quelli del Pakistan.