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Titolo: Preavviso di mora alla Siria (2).

Occhio agli ungheresi, quando portano doni.
L'unico appunto è che potevano farli arrivare il "Tanks-giving day".
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/nov2005/a111405tj1.html
Iraqi Army Takes Delivery of Tanks, Vehicles
The vehicles will equip two tank battalions and one mechanized
battalion of the 9th Iraqi Army Division (Mechanized) 2nd Brigade.
By U.S. Army Sgt. Lorie Jewell
Multinational Security Transition Command-Iraq
TAJI, Iraq, Nov. 14, 2005 — The largest equipment donation to the Iraqi 
Army to date - dozens of T-72 tanks and armored personnel carriers - 
arrived at Taji Military Base over a three-day period last week.
"This is a great day for our division. These are the base of what we are 
building. The strength and power of the division is in our tanks."
Iraqi Gen. Bashar, commander, 9th Mechanized Division
The final convoy of tractor-trailers hauling the equipment delivered its 
load Nov. 11, completing the long journey of 77 T-72s, 36 armored 
vehicles (BMPs), four recovery vehicles and several containers of parts 
and weaponry from Hungary to the 9th Iraqi Army Division (Mechanized).
The largest equipment donation to the Iraqi Army to date - dozens of 
T-72 tanks and armored personnel carriers - arrived at Taji Military 
Base over a three-day period last week.
The final convoy of tractor-trailers hauling the equipment delivered its 
load Nov. 11, completing the long journey of 77 T-72s, 36 armored 
vehicles (BMPs), four recovery vehicles and several containers of parts 
and weaponry from Hungary to the 9th Iraqi Army Division (Mechanized).
The vehicles will equip two tank battalions and one mechanized battalion 
of the division's 2nd Brigade, said Iraqi Gen. Bashar, division commander.
"This is a great day for our division," Bashar said, after driving the 
first tank off a tractor trailer on the second day of deliveries. "These 
are the base of what we are building. The strength and power of the 
division is in our tanks."
Until now, the division's tank fleet has consisted of Russian T-55 
models, which belong to a 1st Brigade battalion. The brigade also has 
two mechanized battalions. The division expects to form a third brigade 
within the next year, Bashar said.
Many of the division's soldiers drove T-72 tanks in the old Iraqi Army, 
so they are familiar with operating and maintaining them, leaders said. 
A handful of the tanks remain at Taji and are used for training purposes.
"We have no trouble using these types of tanks and maintaining them," 
said Iraqi Lt. Col. Saleem, commander of the 1st Battalion, 2nd Brigade. 
"The soldiers are very happy because now we have enough weapons to kill 
the terrorists in our country."
The 45-ton tank can move as fast as 60 kilometers an hour and fire eight 
rounds a minute with an auto-loader and a three-man crew. With a laser 
range finder, the crew can shoot while moving at speeds up to 20 
kilometers an hour.
"These are a very good type of tank," said Saleem, through an 
interpreter. "Not all countries use this type of tank."
Hungary approached Iraq earlier this year about donating the tanks. 
Bashar and others traveled to the country to inspect the tanks before 
agreeing to accept them. Another country offered 500 BMPs, with Iraq 
accepting 100, said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Kevin Meredith, the mechanized 
and armor project officer for the Multinational Security Transition 
Command-Iraq. Three dozen of the 100 arrived with the tanks; the 
remaining 64 are expected in the coming months, Meredith said.
Although the vehicles were donated, the cost of refurbishing and 
shipping them here was covered by Iraqi's Ministry of Defense, which 
paid about $4.5 million, and roughly $500,000 from Multinational 
Security Transition Command-Iraq, officials said.
Bashar and others said they appreciated the vehicles and the efforts of 
the countries involved in donating them and getting them to the division.
 
Iraqi soldiers and Coalition advisers worked together to off-load 77 
T-72 tanks during a three-day delivery period. Multinational Security 
Transition Command-Iraq photo by U.S. Army Sgt. Lorie Jewell
"We give many, many thanks to them," Bashar said. "All of the people 
gave us all of their effort."
The vehicles will equip two tank battalions and one mechanized battalion 
of the division's 2nd Brigade, said Iraqi Gen. Bashar, division commander.
"This is a great day for our division," Bashar said, after driving the 
first tank off a tractor trailer on the second day of deliveries. "These 
are the base of what we are building. The strength and power of the 
division is in our tanks."
Until now, the division's tank fleet has consisted of Russian T-55 
models, which belong to a 1st Brigade battalion. The brigade also has 
two mechanized battalions. The division expects to form a third brigade 
within the next year, Bashar said.
Many of the division's soldiers drove T-72 tanks in the old Iraqi Army, 
so they are familiar with operating and maintaining them, leaders said. 
A handful of the tanks remain at Taji and are used for training purposes.
"We have no trouble using these types of tanks and maintaining them," 
said Iraqi Lt. Col. Saleem, commander of the 1st Battalion, 2nd Brigade. 
"The soldiers are very happy because now we have enough weapons to kill 
the terrorists in our country."
The 45-ton tank can move as fast as 60 kilometers an hour and fire eight 
rounds a minute with an auto-loader and a three-man crew. With a laser 
range finder, the crew can shoot while moving at speeds up to 20 
kilometers an hour.
"These are a very good type of tank," said Saleem, through an 
interpreter. "Not all countries use this type of tank."
Hungary approached Iraq earlier this year about donating the tanks. 
Bashar and others traveled to the country to inspect the tanks before 
agreeing to accept them. Another country offered 500 BMPs, with Iraq 
accepting 100, said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Kevin Meredith, the mechanized 
and armor project officer for the Multinational Security Transition 
Command-Iraq. Three dozen of the 100 arrived with the tanks; the 
remaining 64 are expected in the coming months, Meredith said.
Although the vehicles were donated, the cost of refurbishing and 
shipping them here was covered by Iraqi's Ministry of Defense, which 
paid about $4.5 million, and roughly $500,000 from Multinational 
Security Transition Command-Iraq, officials said.
Bashar and others said they appreciated the vehicles and the efforts of 
the countries involved in donating them and getting them to the division.
"We give many, many thanks to them," Bashar said. "All of the people 
gave us all of their effort."
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Ehehe non gli danno mica abrams di recupero (gli americani nel hanno circa
2000 in naftalina) visto che l'iraq è tutt'altro che un paese affidabile,
meglio vecchi t-72 arrugginiti del pdv.

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Se ti fossi preso la briga di leggere l'articolo, avresti scoperto che 
gli iracheni sono già addestrati e abituati ad usare i carri russi, 
visto che li usavano sotto Saddam e li usano anche adesso (T-52).
La mossa ha un senso economico, in quanto la spesa del riammodernamento 
dei carri è coperta dal governo iracheno, non dagli USA.
Addirittura, un governo (che non viene nominato - chi sarà) aveva 
offerto 400 trasporti truppe e ne hanno accettati solo 100 (sempre roba 
del PdV).
Cos'à la Siria e l'Iran da mettere in campo, dovessero decidere di 
immischiarsi negli affari interni dell'Iraq?
Più cresce la forza dell'Esercito iracheno, prima gli americani potranno 
ritirarsi dai ruoli attivi contro la guerriglia, e gestire solo il 
supporto aereo (dopo tutto, l'aviazione militare costa parecchio di più 
da rimettere in sesto).
Il che significa che, per le prossime elezioni di mid-term, ci potrà 
essere un ritiro significativo di truppe (sotto i 100.000 uomini in 
Iraq?); il che fa prevedere un problema politico importante per i 
democratici.
Mirco

 democratici.
intanto oggi come oggi ci sono 161000 militari americani in Iraq (il massimo
mai raggiunto da quando Bush proclamò vittoria)

 quando non infiltrati della guerriglia)
Infatti il problema non sono tanto i mezzi ma gli uomini.
Gli americani avevano fornito all esercito sudvietnamita un mucchio di
mezzi(elicotteri,blindati,etc) ma i risultati ottenunti(nella meta' degli
anni 60) eranoi stati tanto schifosi(tipo Ap pac) che l'esercito usa
dovette intervenire in forze.
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 dovette intervenire in forze.
Per questo l'enfasi delle persone più ragionevoli che ho letto è 
sull'addestramento degli uomini e nell'organizzare delle forze armate 
efficienti.
L'idea di sciogliere le forze armate di Saddam (mica erano le forze 
armate dell'Iraq - ma le sue personali) e di ricostruirle con la 
supervisione dei militari USA, è un'ottima idea.
Mica devono dargli il materiale militare necessario a combattere una 
guerra in Cina senza il supporto di nessuno.
Gli basta che siano addestrati ed incazzati a sufficienza da controllare 
il paese e renderlo sicuro dai vicini male intenzionati e dagli elementi 
non democratici all'interno.
La guerriglia non ha certo carri armati, cannoni, missili terra-aria, 
aviazione, etc. Ha soltanto un mucchio di esplosivi, mortai, armi di 
piccolo calibro e soldi.
Dovesse saltare fuori qualche soggetto con armi più potenti, le forze 
USA possono sempre arrivare in soccorso.
Mirco