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Titolo: racial purity a Tel Aviv?

The barrier to conversion  
 
By Haaretz Editorial  
 
Tags: Conversion   
It is hard not to take an extremely cautious approach to the fact that
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is planning to adopt the recommendations of the
inter-ministerial committee that examined ways to increase the number of
converts among the roughly 300,000 non-Jewish immigrants from the former
Soviet Union. Similar declarations have already been made by previous
governments, committees have come and gone, and reasonable and humane
conversion still appears to be a mission impossible. 
The barrier to conversion is no coincidence. Ultra-Orthodox rabbis are
pressuring and threatening the government, and are intentionally creating
problems for the rabbinical courts that operate on behalf of the state.
From a Haredi point of view, the saying that "converts are as difficult
for Israel as psoriasis," is not just colorful language. They are really
not interested in allowing others to join the Chosen People. 
The Haredi barrier is not the only one. Bitter infighting, saturated with
political power plays, deal-making of the lowest form, and strong-arm
tactics driven by personal animosity have brought division to the national
religious camp. 
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In matters of conversion, just like in matters of matrimony, liberals in
that camp side with the view that as many immigrants as possible must be
helped to attain that desirable entry ticket into Israeli society with
relative ease. On the other hand, all roads to conversion are blocked by
pedants and purists, who succumb to ultra-Orthodox rabbis on all issues.
They transform conversion into an ongoing nightmare, which may repel the
new immigrants from the entire process and alienate them from Israeli
society and Judaism. 
Conversions are being carried out by the most stringent guardians of the
halakha, who are essentially a minority group among world Jewry. They pose
halakhic requirements for the converts and their families that are very
strict. At the gate to the national home established by Zionists now stand
representatives of the anti-Zionist ultra-Orthodoxy. 
Moreover, the rabbinical courts have been transformed of late, with the
signed authorization of a secular-liberal justice minister, into
increasingly more Haredi. The Neeman Committee proposals, which sought to
forge a path of cooperation between the three streams of Judaism on
matters of conversion, have been forgotten in some drawer. 
But despite all that has been said here, the prime minister's intentions
should be welcomed, and hopefully the barrier blocking a wave of
conversions can be lifted. For those among the immigrants who are
interested in conversion, this is good news. For all the rest - those who
do not wish to convert and those who are unable to do so - the government
must find an appropriate solution outside the parameters dictated by
religion. 
The State of Israel encouraged and brought to the country hundreds of
thousands of immigrants on the basis of their connection to the Jewish
people. It thus has a historic and Jewish responsibility to complete the
process of fully accepting them into Israeli society.  
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 The barrier to conversion  
Camerata, vorrei ricordati che "conversione", in qualunque accezione e con 
qualunque grado di rigidità sta all'opposto di "purezza razziale".
Per la cronaca, eh.
Tb
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 qualunque grado di rigidità sta all'opposto di "purezza razziale".
pirla fascista leggiti le reazioni su haaretz dei lettori
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 pirla fasc
Dai, non avertene a male, camerata.
Correggevo solo una tua stupidaggine.
Scrivi ben di peggio, normalmente.
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 Dai, non avertene a male, camerata.
dovresti corregere il Zionist che scrive questo sul forum :
So, Hitler`s lesson to the Jewish state is racial purity? 1 
 
Name: A troubled Zionist  
 
City: New York State: NY  
 
 
The main barrier to my family`s integration into Israel, a goal I strove
for and dreamt of for years, was the Rabbinical Court. I had lived in
Israel in the past and realized there might be problems with her
acceptance by Orthodox-dominated agencies in Israel so, following her
conversion through our Conservative rabbi, my wife also went through a
second conversion with a highly regarded Orthodox rabbi. To be accepted as
a Jew my wife and I did have to sit before a Rabbinical Court and, despite
their recognition of the converting rabbi subjected us to what can only be
described as a demeaning experience. Do we have separated eating utensils
was the easiest question (we lied, of course). But how about the question
of separate beds so that I avoid pollution during her dirty time of the
month (my wording, but the degradation was implicit). Last I heard Israel
is not a state of the haredim but of the Jewish People. 
 
It was one thing for Ben-Gurion to invite orthodoxy to participate in the
government to provide a Kosher identity and another to give them control
of the character of our country built by the blood, sweat and tears of
mostly secular Jews as homeland for all Jews. I now live in the US thanks
to degradation and outrage provoked by that anti-welcome by the censors of
aliya. And now they want to eliminate immigration by any community not
approved as halakhically pure? What lessons did we learn from the
Holocaust, that racial purity is a positive state program?
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 So, Hitler`s lesson to the Jewish state is racial purity? 1 
Perché non sono sorpreso che tu te la faccia con della feccia di estrema destra 
anche in questo caso?
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The barrier to conversion 
Guarda, furbetto, che non si tratta di razza, ma di cultura.
Il conflitto israelo-palestinese non č fra due razze, ma fra due
culture diverse. Tanto non lo capisci.