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Titolo: non so perchè, ma questa storia mi ha fatto pensare a Ladu...

Spiritual odyssey turned nightmare
Fifteen years ago in Turin, Italy, Rachel - aka Emanuela - began the
spiritual odyssey that eventually led to her passionate embrace of
Orthodox Judaism.
Today, at 35, Rachel is two months pregnant, married to a kashrut
supervisor and living in the Jerusalem area.
But her personal journey, which has taken a somewhat unpleasant turn,
is still not over.
Although Rome's Orthodox Rabbinical Court declared Rachel Jewish on
July 11, 2006; although the Chief Rabbinate of Israel recognized
Rachel's conversion; and although Rachel was joined in wedlock to her
devout husband by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel six months ago, the
Interior Ministry refuses to recognize Rachel as a Jew.
Thanks to a High Court injunction, she is allowed to remain in Israel
with her husband until the court rules on her case. Until that
happens, however, her citizenship status is in limbo.
She has no rights to any state services such as national insurance or
health care, and if she leaves the country - to visit her family in
Italy, for instance - she will not be allowed to return.
"My situation is worse than non-Jews who marry an Israeli," Rachel
said on Thursday in a telephone interview. "At least they have
rights."
Rachel is being helped by ITIM, a nonprofit organization that helps
the perplexed navigate Israel's religion-related bureaucracies.
ITIM's legal adviser, attorney Shlomit Tur-Paz, is representing Rachel
in a petition to the High Court of Justice against the Interior
Ministry and its population registry.
In principle, anyone who converts to Judaism in a recognized community
- Orthodox, Conservative or Reform - is eligible for automatic Israeli
citizenship under the Law of Return. Only known criminals or others
deemed dangerous to the Jewish state can be disqualified.
But Interior Ministry officials fear that opportunists looking to gain
entrance to a developed Western country might dishonestly exploit the
conversion process.
In Rachel's case, the ministry's concern seems to be that she came to
Israel almost immediately after converting. Ministry officials see
this as a sign that the conversion was performed with the express
intention of gaining Israeli citizenship.
However, Rachel said she left Italy not because she was unhappy there,
but because she wanted to tie her destiny to the Jewish people's.
According to Rabbi Gilad Kariv, executive director of the Reform
Movement in Israel, many Interior Ministry officials, especially those
in the influential legal department, are Orthodox and very
conservative in their outlook.
"During the years that the National Religious Party and Shas
controlled the ministry, they hired Interior Ministry officials who
were openly hostile to liberal Judaism," Kariv said. "The NRP and Shas
encouraged these officials to adopt criteria that would prevent non-
Orthodox converts from gaining Israeli citizenship.
"But now these criteria are also working against Orthodox conversions.
The Orthodox establishment's anti-liberal policies are blowing up in
its face."
Rabbi Andy Sacks, director of the Masorti (Conservative) Movement's
Rabbinical Assembly in Israel, said he understood the ministry's
concerns.
"We also have a vested interest in making sure that no one takes
advantage of our conversions to gain Israeli citizenship," Sacks said.
"But now we are in an absurd situation in which clerks and bureaucrats
are getting involved in halachic decisions, and they are reaching more
stringent conclusions than the rabbis."
In 2005, then-Supreme Court president Aharon Barak ruled that the
Interior Ministry had no business interfering with inherently
religious criteria that determine whether a conversion is kosher or
not.
"We are aware of the need for the state to control recognition of
conversions within the framework of the Law of Return," Barak wrote.
"We believe that this supervision [of immigration] is maintained when
a conversion is performed outside Israel within a recognized Jewish
community. In this way, the state supervises immigration while at the
same time maintaining connections with Diaspora communities."
In the same ruling, Barak concluded that it was unlawful for the
Interior Ministry to prevent converts from immigrating to Israel
immediately after their conversion.
Nevertheless, the ministry has continued to intervene on issues
connected directly with the conversion process. Three weeks ago, the
ministry's legal department drafted a document titled "Conditions for
Giving 'Oleh' Status on the Basis of a Conversion Performed Abroad."
This document, leaked on Thursday to The Jerusalem Post, is proof that
ministry officials continue to see themselves as arbiters of
conversion standards.
In the document, ministry officials list various criteria for
conversion.
For instance, potential converts from all religious streams who seek
to make aliya must study Judaism for a minimum of 350 hours in a
recognized Jewish community.
They must also spend a total of 18 months in the community where they
are converting (at least nine months following the conversion), to
prove their sincere commitment to Judaism.
Converts who do not want to wait the full nine months after conversion
will be allowed to come to Israel, but will not be granted citizenship
until they can prove they are Jewish - often a long and complicated
process with no guarantee of success.
The guidelines automatically refuse citizenship to anyone whose visa
application to Israel was rejected in the past for any reason.
It is unclear whether new Interior Minister Eli Yishai (Shas), who was
sworn in this week, intends to revamp these criteria.
Yishai's spokesman said on Thursday in response to Rachel's story that
the new minister had not yet begun work.
A Post inquiry to the Interior Ministry spokeswoman's office in the
afternoon was not answered.
Meanwhile, Rachel continues to wait for word on a change in her
citizenship status. For the time being, she is not considered a Jew by
the state.
"This whole situation is very frustrating," Rachel said. "I can't
work, I have to pay for private medical service. I wanted to visit my
family in Italy before I become too pregnant to travel.
"But what bothers me most is the uncertainty about my baby. Will my
baby be considered a Jew? What is the status of a baby born to someone
without any status? I don't know."
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I Sionici si domanderanno " ma chi e' questa deficente, vuol fare la ebrea
ma non e' ebrea ...........e la razza?"
L'ignoranza su usi e costumi dei Semiti regna sovrana.
L'altra sposata con un arabo egiziano ha perso il figlio che il marito si e'
preso, non lo vedra' mai piu' penso.
Sweet dreams are made of sand......
Saluti
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 wrote:
e Ladu cosa c'entra? Qui si parla di una signora che si è convertita e
di una battaglia per cambiare delle regole non di un impostore che ha
fatto credere il contrario e poi stizzito getta merda su un intero
Paese.

 e Ladu cosa c'entra?
c'entra col fatto che è ossess...particolarmente interessato al tema
della cittadinanza israeliana e di chi dovrebbe averla e chi no..

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in ogni caso se questa signora riesce ad ottenerla, la cosa sarà
ininfluente per Ladu, che ebreo non è (anche se gli imbecilli, a
volte, credono il contrario)

 ininfluente per Ladu
non è obbligatorio essere coinvolti in prima persona per interessarsi
a una notizia.

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vero. Ma perché la notizia A TE ricorda Ladu, quell'impostore scoperto
e rancoroso?

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farò un parallelo. Se leggi una pirlata, non ti viene in mente Persio?

 . Se leggi una pirlata, non ti viene in mente Persio?
Funziona al contrario, imbecille. Se leggo Persio, vedo di solito
delle pirlate