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Titolo: Cremonesi su Haaretz: fate entrare i giornalisti a Gaza

condivisibile e convincente.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054592.html
ANALYSIS / Why Israel should let foreign journalists into Gaza
By Lorenzo Cremonesi
There is a contradiction between Israel completely blocking off access
to the Gaza Strip for journalists, and the growing protests of
officials in Jerusalem about the way in which many international media
representatives are covering the events there. After all, if there is
no way for we journalists to get to the points of conflict personally,
and hence no chance for us judge the facts with our own eyes, we have
no choice but to rely on the reports coming out from victims and
witnesses in the Strip. For the most part, they will be are mainly
Palestinians or sources close to them. There is no alternative.
You want balanced reporting of events? Then it's necessary to ensure
the freedom of the press and restrict censorship. With no possibility
of directly checking the veracity of facts, and against the background
of the inevitable frustrations that stem from the censorship
restrictions, journalists (particularly those from the Western media)
will tend, almost by reflex, to adopt the most dramatic versions, the
most shocking stories, and the most extreme explanations. The logic
behind this is simple: If you hide something from me, that means first
and foremost that you want to hide it, and secondly, that you have
done something wrong.
Thirty years of experience in areas of confrontation, 20 of them as
correspondent for Corriere della Sera in Jerusalem, have taught me to
relate with maximum caution to reports about the number of casualties
and the dynamics of the events.
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I recall the exaggerated data about victims among the Palestinians
during the first intifada, the perpetual comparisons between the
military repression and the Holocaust, and the baseless reports about
civilians dying of hunger during the previous siege of Gaza. Yasser
Arafat and Palestinian sources in Beirut and Tunis were grand masters
in the dissemination of this kind of disinformation.
The spokesmen for Saddam Hussein in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War
were the same. They were eager at that time to show us what they
claimed as victims of the use of bombs containing depleted uranium,
and children suffering from cancer, had not received treatment because
of the American-instigated embargo on Iraq. But not one of them spoke
to us about the victims of the Iraqi military repression, about the
mass graves, about the fact that the hospitals belonging to the
Republican Guards were equipped with the necessary appliances and
medications.
Some examples
Three episodes from earlier campaigns I covered illustrated for me
just how important a free press is in Israel.
The first took place in the Jenin refugee camp in April 2002. Do you
remember? The camp was surrounded, and the media was not allowed in.
From a distance, one could see pillars of smoke and hear occasional
shooting. The Palestinians spoke about 1,500 dead - a toll that later
dropped to 500. There were rumors of mass graves, of entire families
that had been shot in the streets by Zionist soldiers.
On April 13, I succeeded in crossing through the army barricades on
foot and reached the hospital bordering on the refugee camp. I was
prepared to see scenes of a bloodbath. Anyone who follows what takes
place in the arena of war knows that generally speaking, the ratio of
dead to wounded is one to three. That is to say, if there are 500
dead, there will be at least 1,500 wounded. What did I find?
Absolutely nothing. The hospital was almost deserted, doctors were
playing cards in the emergency room, there were two women in labor and
one old man who had had an appendectomy.
In one of the wards I finally saw wounded - 25 people who had been
lightly wounded. And the stories they told were indeed heart-rending.
"I saw a woman and three children who were shot close by here," one of
them told me. Nonetheless, when they were asked for the names of the
dead and to show where the bodies were, the responses became evasive.
In short, it was all talk and nothing could be verified, nothing was
concrete. At the end of that day, I wrote that the death toll was not
more than 50 and that most of them were combatants. And indeed, a few
weeks later, following a UN investigation, it was reported that there
had been 53 dead. The second episode took place in the Church of the
Nativity in Bethlehem, at the end of a prolonged siege by the Israeli
army in April and May of that same year. On May 10, three hours after
the fighting ended, I went to the church with a small group of Italian
journalists, with the assistance of Franciscan monks. Here are the
opening lines of my dispatch that appeared the following day in the
Corriere della Sera: "It is not true that there was systematic
desecration of the Christian holy places by Muslim extremists, and it
is not true that the Palestinians who were under siege inside lacked
food." After a whole month of disinformation, conflicting reports and
propaganda, our presence at the site made it possible for us to
examine what the actual facts were, especially the second point.
Inside the church and in the halls of the Franciscan hostel, there was
a plethora of food, as I described it in the article; there were
bottles of water, and no one had died of hunger, contrary to the
claims of some of the local church spokesmen.
Finally, there was the case of Kafr Qana in southern Lebanon, on July
30, 2006. We the media representatives, who that day were in Tyre in
order to follow what was happening in the war, were well aware of the
massacre that had taken place at the Unifil base there in the spring
of 1996. The reported death toll in that incident stood at 107,
victims whose names had been engraved on a memorial stone at the
entrance to the village, and whoe were of course mentioned in the
ongoing reports filed by all of us.
We arrived at the village during the few hours of hiatus promised by
the Israeli army - until 5 P.M., the Israeli army spokesmen made it
clear to us. On the way there, in the area where the bombing had taken
place, there were heart-rending scenes and the villagers were shocked.
The Hezbollah people told us that the death toll in the two families,
Shalub and Hashem, was at least 63, and that almost all of them had
been children. The entire village was covered with green Islamic flags
and yellow Hezbollah flags. But it was from these sites that one of
the Hezbollah leaders had acted to get missiles from Syria and Iran,
as one of the Unifil heads told us off the record.
Three days later, the director of the hospital in Tyre, Mustafa
Jeradiyeh, said in an interview with me: "The total number of dead at
Kafr Qana was 27, and 17 of them were children, some of them very
small. A day-old baby was one of them. The number of wounded was 18."
I bring up all these details in order to stress the importance
attached to having a free press. I well remember how, in 1989, then-
prime minister Yitzhak Shamir claimed that had the media not been in
the occupied territories, the intifada would have been over within 48
hours. And I know that in Israel, like in many other places in the
world, in the West as well, there are people who sympathize with his
opinion. With all due respect, I do not. Israel's strength, especially
in the Middle East, one often rightly flaunted by its diplomatic
representatives, is that it is a democracy. But there is no democracy
without a free press, and there is no public debate and no
intellectual incentive without it. There is no freedom.
The conclusion is self evident - open up Gaza to the media. Allow us
to do our work. Sometimes it will be one sided, most of the time
superficial, always not in perfect fashion. But there is no doubt that
it is preferable to propaganda, to rumors and to blatant fabrications.
The writer is a journalist for the Italian newspaper Corriere della
Sera.

 condivisibile e convincente.
In linea di principio ha ragione. Se poi un soldato scambia una
telecamera per un rpg?
PP

Palmiro Pangloss ha scritto:
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Io condivido l'opinione di Maisele. Tutti a casa, la loro sicurezza č 
garantita e tanto le terrazze d'albergo ci sono anche a Gerusalemme e al 
Cairo. L'informazione non ne risentirą.
Tb

 Cairo. L'informazione non ne risentirà.
dei campioni della libera informazione.
Uno fa il finto preoccupato per l'incolumità, gli altri due (maisele e
te) proprio non vogliono a mano testimoni.
Salutiamo Capa, Terzani e la marea di reporter ammazzati per far il
loro lavoro in zona di guerra.

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Spe'..sono ancora in tempo per votare?
Io son favorevole che entrino..mi basta solo che prima di entrare firmino 
un bel disclaimer "se ci lascio la pelle pregasi non colpevolizzare 
nessuno per strumentalizzare"
MMAX
-- 
http://bloggoanchio.splinder.com

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guarda che ti quoto.

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Eh..
MMAX
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http://bloggoanchio.splinder.com

MMAX ha scritto:
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Eh sì... buonanotte.
Saranno sempre ammazzati perché "scomodi".
Sulla terrazza d'albergo, a inventare reportage.
Come sempre.
Tb

 wrote:
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ma figurati, il frignante mondo-pro-libera-informazione si pulirà il
culo con quel disclaimer.
e il reporter -dall'interno del suo sacco di plastica nera- potrà
rivolgere un grato saluto ai paladini della libertà di stampa.
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n3tgan3sh ha scritto:
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Poi ci tocca anche dare un milione di euro ad hamas e magari rischiare 
la pelle di qualche servitore dello stato e di qualche povero interprete 
per recuperare il primo imbecille che se ne va a passeggio da solo per i 
tunnel di Gaza.
Meglio sulla terrazza, con il cocktail del momento, il telefono 
satellitare e la mimetica.
Tb

 Sulla terrazza d'albergo, a inventare reportage. Come sempre
Rilancio.
In mezzo alle pallottole...due per ogni testata.
Uno embedded con le IDF e uno con Hamas.
MMAX 
-- 
http://bloggoanchio.splinder.com

 Uno embedded con le IDF e uno con Hamas.
Pare che embedded non vadano bene.
Tb

 Cairo. L'informazione non ne risentirà.
Non è detto
Giusto il discorso della sicurezza, ma così l'informazione è solo a senso 
unico.
Solo informazioni palestinesi

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:gkfp74$1uo$1...@megan.servidellagleba.it...
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quoto

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con la Resistenza all'invasore sì

 In mezzo alle pallottole...due per ogni testata.
due pallottole per ogni testata?!
ti sapevo più moderato.
<:3)-

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Demolito un altro luogo comune sugli ebrei: quello secondo il quale tutti 
sarebbero dotati di un discreto senso dell'umorismo.
Pero' Pacifici avrebbe riso, di gusto.
MMAX 
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http://bloggoanchio.splinder.com

 sarebbero dotati di un discreto senso dell'umorismo.
ce l'hanno, ma lo perdono coi capelli...:D

 Salutiamo Capa, Terzani
Erano embedded.
PP

satellitare e la mimetica.
Praticamente quello che fai tu però con il gin, il sigaro, e il
cappello da fessacchiotto.

 By Lorenzo Cremonesi
Per la cronaca, Cremonesi l'hanno fatto passare a Gaza. Ha appena
raccontato in diretta sul TG3 come oggi sia stato tenuto sotto tiro
dagli israeliani che hanno cercato di ammazzarlo per un paio d'ore. Ad
un certo punto aveva in linea al cellulare l'ufficiale di raccordo
israeliano che gli diceva di non preoccuparsi che lo facevano passare e
contemporaneamente gli sparavano raffiche di mitra nella sua direzione.
-- 
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy        e-mail: 
ll...@dada.it
   Home page: 
http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius
                   (musicologia pratica)

 Per la cronaca, Cremonesi l'hanno fatto passare a Gaza.
La storia invece registra il suo rapimento nel 2005, ad opera di
miliziani delle Brigate Al Aqsa. E l'immediata liberazione.
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"(era il 2000) non è che quel papa mi fosse simpaticissimo" (Luca
Logi / rodewalder / Golda Meir)
http://raionim.blogspot.com/2009/01/mutevoli-simpatie.html

 miliziani delle Brigate Al Aqsa. E l'immediata liberazione.
dov'è la correlazione con la roulette russa dell'esercito democratico
di sta minchia?

 contemporaneamente gli sparavano raffiche di mitra nella sua direzione.
Avevano ragione prima, a non farlo passare.
Entra, scopre che c'è una guerra. Due minuti dopo Logi & co iniziano a 
postare furiosamente del fatto che Israele cerca di ammazzare i giornalisti.
A casa e in terrezza col martini, ecco il posto dei corrisponenti di 
guerra. Così Logi & co sono più tranquilli.
Tb

 contemporaneamente gli sparavano raffiche di mitra nella sua direzione.
E per un *COGLIONE* come Logi e Cremonesi "sparare raffiche di mitra nella 
sua direzione" e "cercato di ammazzarlo" sono la stessa cosa :)
*LOL*
-Stefano 

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Complimenti. Adesso sei sullo stesso piano di libero e del giornale
quando pigliavano per il culo il povero Baldoni, ammazzato da selvaggi
musulmani.
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