Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Non sono state trovate .....

L'altra sera Ferrara contro D'Alema.
Ancora una volta un giornalista/propagandista afferma che non sono state
trovate fosse comuni in Kossovo.
Ovviamente per mettere in difficolta' chi la guerra del Kossovo l'ha
ordinata.
Si spinge oltre affermando che il reale targhet della guerra era un cambio
di comando in Serbia, non le fregnacce raccontate e bevute dai soliti idioti
di sinistra.
Dicendolo sghignazza, D'Alema borbotta qualcosa no no ci sono e sguiscia
via.
Quanto demente e' la sinistra per cadere in tali trappole propagandistiche.
Del resto e' innegabile abbiamo bombardato la Serbia al fianco degli USA, al
fianco di Osama perche' ci racontavano di stragi immani rivelatesi balle.
Il rivelatesi balle lo scrivono analisti militari, nostri militari, non la
Botteri.
Puo' un governo di uno stato entrare in guerra perche' spinto dalla
propaganda televisiva orchestrata da potenze straniere? dove sta la
democrazia?.
C'erano due giornalisti ai tempi, Remondino che la raccontava bilanciata dal
Kossovo e la psicotica della Botteri che si costruiva le sceneggiate in
Albania.
Vale piu' un Vespa o una Botteri alla causa della disinformazione?
Cosa e' successo al mondo democratico nei Balcani?
Saluti Cad Ali'
--
http://www.hyperlinker.com/spg/
-
http://www.hyperlinker.com/spg/spg_it_1.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------

 propagandistiche.
L'imbecillità della sinistra è proverbiale

non la Botteri.
Davvero?  Allora citali che cosi' ci facciamo delle belle risate :)
-Stefano

 Quanto demente e' la sinistra per cadere in tali trappole
propagandistiche.
Vabene. Pero' Milosevic pagava ancora il conto per la strage di Sebreniza (e
quel genocidio si che c'e' stato nell'indifferenza del mondo).
Cosi come Saddam pagava ancora il conto per la guerra persa del 91 e il
fatto di non aver rispettato i termini del cessate il fuoco.
(CUT)

 -Stefano
Fabio Mini ,Tenente Generale dell'E.I., Capo di Stato maggiore del Comando
Nato delle Forze alleate Sud Europa, comandante per un anno
dell'operazione di peace-keeping Nato in Kosovo, ha scritto nel suo libro
"La guerra dopo la guerra" ed. Einaudi
(
http://www.internetbookshop.it/ser/serdsp.asp?shop=1&c=IBFTDQM5NQLMB
):
"Tuttavia, prima della campagna Nato molti rapporti ufficiali del
ministero degli Esteri tedesco, usati nei tribunali per verificare la
possibilità di assegnare lo status di rifugiati politici ai kosovari che
chiedevano di stare in Germania, confermavano che non c'erano prove di
pulizia etnica in Kosovo. Inoltre, secondo tali rapporti, il Kosovo aveva
delle zone, come quella orientale, che non erano toccate dal conflitto.
 ""la vita pubblica in città come Pristina, Urosevac, Gjilian ecc. ha
continuato in una maniera relativamente normale. Le azioni delle forze di
sicurezza non erano dirette contro gli albanesei del Kosovo come gruppo
etnico, ma contro gli opponenti militari [UCK] e i loro effettivi o
presunti sostenitori[...].""
Oppure 
""Con l'accordo della fine del 1998 sia la sicurezza sia le condizioni di
vita della popolazione albanese sono notevolmante migliorate [...]
specialmente nelle maggiori città dove la vita pubblica è tornata ad una
relativa normalità""
...
La contestazione della teoria della catastrofe umanitaria come causa del
conflitto veniva anche da altre fonti. Roland Keith, uno dei direttori
dell'OSCE Kosovo Verification Mission che lasciò il Kosovo il 20 marzo,
segnalò che la maggior parte della violenza fino a quel momento non era
serba, ma era provocata dall'UCK:
""... La situazione era chiaramente una provocazione dell'UCK che, come ho
potuto verificare di persona, violava gli accordi di ottobre ... come ho
dichiarato in altre occasioni non sono stato testimone ne sono venuto a
conoscenza di eventi di cosidetta "pulizia etnica" e di sicuro non ci
furono episodi di genocidio fino a quando sono stato in Kosovo.""
La testimonianza di una altro verificatore francese che operava nella
regione di Pec, dove più attiva era l'UCK, confermò che:
""nel mese precedente la guerra ne lui ne i suoi colleghi osservarono
nulla che potesse essere definito come sistematica persecuzione sia
collettiva sia individuale contro gli albanesi"" "
Mi fermo qui. Leggitelo il libro di Mini se hai tempo, è una lettura
davvero interessante.
-- 
questo articolo e` stato inviato via web dal servizio gratuito 
http://www.newsland.it/news
 segnala gli abusi ad 
ab...@newsland.it

davvero interessante.
E perche' dovrei? Qui si parlava di "fosse comuni" e tu non hai portato
nulla a sostegno del fatto che non vi fossero.
-Stefano

 quel genocidio si che c'e' stato nell'indifferenza del mondo).
Pure li c'è del marcio e della malevola esagerazione. E poi
nell'indifferenza del mondo non direi proprio, informati. E poi ancora
Milosevic non era la repubblica serba di Bosnia, e il suo operato è stato
riconosciuto come qualcosa di ben distinto da quello dei serbi-bosniaci
anche dagli americani. Erano i bei tempi del dopo-Dayton:
"La sua straordinaria capacità di sopravvivenza (politica, si parla degli
scontri con le opposizioni nel 1996) fu dovuta peraltro anche al credito
che si era assicurato presso la comunità internazionale durante le ultime
fasi della guerra in Croazia e in Bosnia-Erzegovina, presentandosi come
l'uomo della pace, uno dei pochi statisti balcanici con cui fosse
possibile e bisognasse continuare il dialogo, per assicurarsi il ritorno
dell'ordine dell'intera area" 
Richard Caplan, International Diplomacy and Crisis in Kosovo, in
International Affairs, preso da "Le guerre jugoslave" di Joze Pirjevic
ed.Einaudi
(
http://www.internetbookshop.it/ser/serdsp.asp?shop=1&c=NGTPMAM7TDMCF
),
altro libro di cui consiglio la lettura.
In effetti: "In the February 12, 2004 AP article by Toby Sterling, “French
General Says He Warned Milosevic”, Morillon testified that he had talked
to Milosevic to intervene “to prevent a massacre” in Srebrenica in 1993.
Milosevic pressured the Bosnian Serbs to halt their offensive and to allow
the UN to set up a “safe haven” for Srebrenica. Milosevic had influence or
power over the Bosnian Serbs until May, 1993."
 
Su Srebrenica gustati come ancora una volta un testimone a carico nel
Tribunale per i crimini nella ex-Jugoslavia si sia trasformato in
testimone a difesa di Milosevic:
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/052.shtml
All'Aja non ne indovinano una che sia una.
Su questo link 
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/BRA403A.html
 una
testimonianza di un Osservatore Militare dell'ONU presente a Srebrenica.


 Pure li c'è del marcio e della malevola esagerazione. 
Around 3,000 names on a list of Srebrenica victims compiled by the Red
Cross matched voters in the Bosnian election in 1996. "I pointed out to
the OSCE that there had either been massive election fraud or almost half
the people on the ICRC missing list were still alive"
Già, quale frode preferire?
Qui c'è n'è quanto basta per coltivare sani dubbi sulle verità ufficiali
delle guerre jugoslave: 
http://www.icdsmireland.org/resources/background/2003/srebrenica-count.htm
Released by: The International Strategic Studies Association
Balkan and Eastern Mediterranean Policy Council
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Gregory Copley, 
703-548-1070
"Official" Story of Srebrenica Casualty Number is Challenged by Experts
WASHINGTON, DC, September 18, 2003:
On the eve of the dedication of a monument to Muslims killed at
Srebrenica, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, in 1995, a group which includes a
former UN official, intelligence experts, and journalists, released a
statement challenging the official alleged casualty number of 7,000
victims as "vastly inflated and unsupported by evidence".
They asserted that one-sided interventionist policies permitted al-Qaeda
forces and radical Islamists backed by the Iranian clerical government to
take root during the Bosnian war, which clouding the future of the region.
As well, they agreed that the "memorialization" of false numbers in the
monument actually appeared to be intended to perpetuate regional ethnic
hatred and distrust and to deliberately punish one of the victim groups in
the Bosnian civil war.
Former US President Bill Clinton is expected to attend and legitimize the
dedication of the monument at Srebrenica, which was constructed with using
one million in dollars of US Embassy funds at the request of High
Representative Paddy Ashdown. But former BBC journalist Jonathan Rooper, 
who has researched the events in Srebrenica since 1995, says that the 
region was a graveyard for Serbs as well as Muslims and that a monument to
inflated casualties on one side "serves neither truth nor the goal of
reconciliation".
Phillip Corwin, former UN Civilian Affairs Coordinator in Bosnia during 
the 1990s, said: "What happened in Srebrenica was not a single large
massacre of Muslims by Serbs, but rather a series of very bloody attacks
and counterattacks over a three year period which reached a crescendo in
July of 1995" says Phillip Corwin former UN Civilian Affairs Coordinator
in Bosnia andMr Corwin is author of Dubious Mandate, an account of about
his experiences during the conflict. And he points out that Srebrenica,
which was designated a safe zone, it was never demilitarized as it was
claimed to be, and that Muslim paramilitary leader Nasir Oric, who
controlled Srebrenica, launched repeated attacks on surrounding Serb
villages.
He noted: "I was the United Nations's chief political officer in Bosnia the
day that Srebrenica fell. Coincidentally, it was the same day that the
Bosnian Government tried to assassinate me as I drove over Mount Igman on
the way to Sarajevo."
Intelligence expert expert and strategist Gregory Copley, President of the
International Strategic Studies Association and the ISSA's Balkan &
Eastern Mediterranean Policy Council, accusesd the US Ambassador David
Donald Hays, who serves as Ddeputy High Representative of
Bosnia-Herzegovina, of using the power of the Office of the High
Representative (OHR) governing Bosnia "to force Bosnian Serb elected
officials to sign a fraudulent document accepting the official version of
events in Srebrenica. The leaders of the Serbian Republic Republica Srpska
[the predominantly Serbian province of
Bosnia-Herzegovina] invited the office of the High Representative to join
their investigation of the events in Srebrenica. Instead they were told 
they were told to sign a statement drafted by OHR endorsing casualty
figures they publicly disagreed with."
Copley added: "It is significant in that the former US Clinton
Administration fought this war unquestioningly supporting only the Croat
and Muslim factions and disregarding the historic alliance of the Serbian
peoples with the US. Then, after the war, the Clinton Administration
failed to follow US tradition in helping to heal the wounds of war, but,
rather, perpetuated ethnic divisions and hatreds. This differs from the US
role in all other wars."
"Unfortunately, all of the policies and officials put in place in the 
region by the Clinton Administration remain. The current Bush
Administration has neglected the Balkans and has, instead, allowed the
Clinton policies to continue, which has meant that divisive politics
continue. This, then, requires the ongoing commitment of US peacekeeping
forces in both Bosnia and in the Kosovo province of Serbia."
Copley added that, according to intelligence obtained from Islamist 
sources, that the monument is was likely intended to become a shrine for
radical Islamists in Europe and site for annual pilgrimages.
He added: "Deputy High Representative Donald Hays forced the Republica
Srpska Government to issue a statement which accepted the radical
Islamists' version of the Srebrenica affair, despite the fact that the
Office of High Representative does not have any investigative capability
of its own to make a valid assumption on the matter. As well, the
International Criminal Tribunal on Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague - no
friend of the Serbs - has itself not completed its investigation of
Srebrenica, and nor has the office of the Government of Republica Srpska
which has been working with the ICTY."
"Amb. Hays and OHR chief Paddy Ashdown forced the Republica Srpska
statement merely to ensure that the opening of the 'shrine' - to be
attended by Clinton - would vindicate Clinton Administration policies of
support for the radical Islamists."
Yossef Bodansky, who has written several books on the war in Yugoslavia
and also serves as Chief of Staff of the Subcomittee on Terrorism and
Unconventional WarfareResearch Director of ISSA, calls the 7,000 figure
"disinformation" and notes that "all independent forensic evidence points
to Muslim casualties in the hundreds, possibly the low hundreds. Continued
emphasis on such allegedly high numbers of Muslim deaths at Srebrenica
also obfuscates the Muslim murders in that city, earlier, of Serb
civilians." Bodansky also wrote extensively on the link between Osama bin
Laden and the Bosnian Islamists in numerous articles and special reports
and three books, including Offensive in the Balkans: the Potential for a
Wider War as a Result of Foreign Intervention in Bosnia-Herzegovina
(1995), Some Call it Peace: Waiting for War in the Balkans (1996), and Bin
Laden: The Man Who
Declared War on America (1999).
Rooper says that at least one thousand1,000 Serbs, mostly civilians, were
killed by forces led by Oric who did not bother to hide his crimes, even
showing videotapes of slaughtered Serbs to Western journalists.
Meanwhile a group of academic experts and journalists from the United
States, Canada, Germany, France, Serbia, and the United Kingdom has been
organized by Professor Edward S. Herman of the University of Pennsylvania
to examine the evidence regarding events at Srebrenica in July 1995 and
earlier, how the media reported these events, and the political role of
claims about Srebrenica. It is expected that a report from this group will
be available in June 2004.
Rooper points out that the 40,000 inhabitants the UN used in July of 1995
before the capture of Srebrenica roughly matches the number of former
residents accounted for in the aftermath. A commander of the Muslim
dominated Army of BiH (Bosnia-Herzegovina) later confirmed to parliament
in Sarajevo that 5,000 BiH troops escaped largely intact to Tuzla while
the UN registered some 35,632 civilian survivors.
While the capture of Srebrenica was reported in July 1995, as it unfolded,
an international outcry only took place a month later, after Madeleine
Albright, then US representative to the UN, held up a photo which she said
provided evidence that thousands of Muslim victims had been buried at
field near Nova Kasaba, 19 kilometers from Srebrenica. Excavations which
took place following the war, however, yielded 33 bodies at Nova Kasaba.
Two years after the event, a total of 400 bodies had been found at 20
sites near Srebrenica, an area which had seen bloody fighting over a three
year period.
Instead of acknowledging that there was no support for the original 
figures, Rooper says a various means were used to prop up the official
story. 
--Spokesmen for the Clinton Administration suggested that Serbs might have
moved the bodies to other locations. Rooper points out that excavating,
transporting and reburying 7,000 bodies was "not only beyond the
capabilities of the thinly stretched, petrol-starved Bosnian Serb Army,
but would have been easily detected under intense surveillance from
satellites and geostationary drones.
--By 1998, thousands of bodies excavated from all across Bosnia were
stored at the Tuzla airport. Despite state of the art DNA testing, only
200 bodies have been linked to Srebrenica.
--Around three thousand3,000 names on a list of Srebrenica victims
compiled by the Red Cross matched voters in the Bosnian election in 1996.
"I pointed out to the OSCE that there had either been massive election
fraud or almost half the people on the ICRC missing list were still
alive," says Rooper. 
"The OSCE finally responded that the voting lists had been locked away in
warehouses and it would not be possible for them to investigate."
The inflated Srebrenica statistics are part of a larger picture that
intelligence experts such as Bodansky and Copley find troubling. They say
US policy makers have been slow to recognize that Bosnia is viewed as a
strategic base for operations in Europe by al-Qaieda and the HeizboAllah. 
In 1993, when the Clinton Aadministration was strongly backing the Muslim
President of Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic, Osama Bin Ladin was regular
visitor to his office, according to Renate Flottau of the German weekly,
Der Spiegel. The Bosnian daily, Dani, reported that the Vienna Embassy of
BiH issued a passport to Bin Ladin in 1993.
As special report by Copley, issued Tuedsay, September 16. 2003. noteds
that BiH Bosnia-Herzegovina Ambassador Huso Zivalj, who issued the
passport to Bin -Ladin, later served as Bosnian Ambassador to the United
Nations in September 11. "It is becoming increasingly clear that the
movement of Zivalj to the New York post just before (and his departure
just after) the September 11,2001 attacks was not coincidental."
"To refer to US Bosnia policy as a success story is to disregard 
substantial evidence to the contrary., iInstead of misplaced symbolism in
Srebrenica, US policy makers need to take a hard look at assumptions that
which have guided


Ma perchč cazzo sono stato cosě coglione da risponderti? Buah! 



Accidenti alle volte ho il sospetto che SDC sia un robot che risponde in
automatico dalla sede CIA di Roma, meglio parlare col muro.


in automatico dalla sede CIA di Roma,
Parli della Confederazione Italiana Agricoltori, vero? :)
-Stefano