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Titolo: Logi su Foxman

 Jews." (...)
Ricordiamo ora il momento glorioso in cui Foxman assegnò un premio
dell'ADL a Berlusconi, che poco prima aveva dichiarato che Mussolini gli
oppositori li mandava in vacanza.
Solo per dirne qualcuno, Tullia Zevi e Franco Modigliani ebbero non poco
da ridire su questa idiozia. Vedi per esempio:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/sep2003/berl-s25.shtml
Che poi Berlusconi è lo stesso che tre giorni fa racconta le barzellette
sugli ebrei in campo di concentramento, che Zanardo si guarda bene dal
commentare. (Anche Foxman non commenta, a dire il vero. Si vede che
Berlusconi può.)
E mettici anche questo nel blog, Zanardo.
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 un titolo fantastico. Testimonia il tuo rosicamento.
imho testimonia la tua ennesima figura da fesso, ma ci sei abituato..

 un titolo fantastico. Testimonia il tuo rosicamento.
I am starting to believe, dear Andrea Zanardo, that you represent the
interests of the Jewish community as much as Foxman..
http://www.jewcy.com/feature/2007-07-09/fire_foxman?page=1
Abdullah Gul needed a favor. It was February 5 of this year, and the
Turkish foreign minister was fighting a push in the U.S. House of
Representatives to recognize the Turkish murder of over one million
Armenians during World War I. In past years the House had placated Turkey
by dropping similar resolutions. But now, with the American-Turkish
alliance weakened by the Iraq war, the resolution had found renewed
support. Gul summoned representatives from the Anti-Defamation League and
several other Jewish-American organizations to his room at the Willard
Hotel in Washington. There he asked them, in essence, to perpetuate
Turkey’s denial of genocide. 
Abraham Foxman’s ADL acquiesced, and in so doing, performed the pièce de
résistance of Foxman’s highly effective, if unintentional, decades-long
campaign to demoralize Jewish America and send young Jews scurrying for the
communal exit doors. The ADL chief is a danger to the future of the
community, and it is a scandal that he remains at the head of a major
Jewish organization. Foxman must go. And the organization he has done so
much to shape must either change or go with him. 
Getting by with a little help from his friends: The Turkish foreign
ministerSoon after the meeting with Gul, the ADL joined three other
American Jewish organizations—the American Jewish Committee, B'nai Brith
International, and the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs—to
deliver to Congress a written plea from the Jews of Turkey that the U.S.
not recognize the Armenian Genocide. Turkish Jews are more vulnerable now
than at any time in recent history as they struggle to reassert their place
in a society polarized by the competing visions of Turkey’s Islamists and
secular nationalists, so it is hardly surprising that they would parrot
their government’s denialist claims. By dutifully passing their letter to
Congress, the Jewish American groups cynically exploited a small,
frightened Jewish minority. 
Worse was to come. “I don't think congressional action will help reconcile
the issue. The resolution takes a position; it comes to a judgment,” said
Foxman in a statement issued to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. “The Turks
and Armenians need to revisit their past. The Jewish community shouldn't be
the arbiter of that history, nor should the U.S. Congress." Foxman‘s
statement is in every way that matters equivalent to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s
claim that he takes no position on the historicity of the Jewish Holocaust,
but only hopes to see the matter resolved by dispassionate study.
Throughout the Congressional saga surrounding the resolutions, virtually no
one other than Turkish lobbyists had explained their opposition by
challenging the nearly undisputed consensus among historians that a
genocide did indeed take place. 
It is a scandal of unprecedented proportion when one of the most prominent
figures in our community, a man who claims to speak on our behalf, publicly
challenges the historicity of another community’s genocide. Foxman’s ADL no
longer represents the interests of the Jewish community. In fact, it seems
the only interests it represents are its own. 
Crushing the heads of antisemites everywhere: Foxman demonstrates the Hand
of PowerWhat’s surprising is how unabashedly forthright Abraham Foxman has
become about what motivates him and his institution. In October of 2005,
Foxman addressed a classroom of Jewish students at New York University.
Young heads nodded and brows furrowed as Foxman riled them with his
customary rhetoric: Isn’t it antisemitic for pro-Palestinian groups to seek
divestment only from Israel, ignoring the far greater crimes of regimes
like Sudan or North Korea? How do we describe this sort of selective
flagellation of the world's only Jewish state, if not as antisemitism? 
"What if the campus Free Tibet club campaigned for divestment from China?
Would that be anti-Chinese bigotry?" asked Asaf Shtull-Trauring, a
20-year-old student and conscientious objector from the Israeli army. 
Of course not, answered Foxman, but it was preposterous to compare the two
conflicts, what with the Jews' experience of two millennia of murderous
persecution. Shtull-Trauring responded with two questions: Did Foxman mean
that selective treatment is okay so long as it's not directed at Jews? And
where did the Anti-Defamation League get off telling Jewish university
students which opinions about Israel were acceptable and which verboten? 
The dialogue spiraled into a confrontation. Shtull-Trauring says Foxman,
frustrated and under attack, placed his cards on the table, angrily
retorting: “I don’t represent you nor the Jewish community! I represent the
donors.” 
Foxman’s outburst was surprising not because of its content, but because of
its candor. Foxman needn’t bother himself with the trifling concerns of
American Jews who happen not to be multimillionaire philanthropists. If he
makes the Jewish community less appealing to young Jews, if his theatrics
turn us off and turn us away, that’s all beside the point. Foxman’s job is
to keep the millionaire benefactors happy: the rest of us can go jump in
the Kinneret. 
Back when the ADL was useful: Leo Frank, with wife Lucille, at his
trialWithout a meaningful mission to pursue, the ADL has resorted to
scaremongering to fill its coffers and justify its existence. These efforts
have grown increasingly bizarre and damaging. For example, the ADL website
surveys the vast changes in Jewish-American life over the past century and
offers the grandiose judgment that they “are due, in large measure, to the
efforts of the League and its allies.” Yet Foxman also claims that today
the Jewish people face as great a threat to their safety and security as
they did in the 1930s. In other words, the ADL takes credit for the vast
improvements in the circumstances of American Jewry, and then denies that
those changes have taken place. It is still 1939. It will always be 1939. 
When the ADL was born, in the early 20th century, institutional
discrimination against American Jews was commonplace at every level of
society. Populist politicians employed the most vulgar antisemitic
language, and “restricted” hotels and country clubs reassured patrons that
Jews would be stopped at the front door. In 1915, 31-year-old factory
manager Leo Frank was lynched in Marietta, Georgia after he was accused of
raping a Christian girl. But today, American Jews are successful and
well-integrated. And unlike in Weimar Germany, where we were accepted only
so long as we obscured our Jewishness behind the accoutrements of gentile
culture, in America we are accepted even as we celebrate what sets us
apart. 
Such a reality, however, doesn’t serve the fundraising interests of the
ADL. The ADL’s jihad against Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ was typical
of the organization’s destructive, self-interested efforts. Foxman, as you
might remember, fanned fears it would inspire Chmielniki-style pogroms. Yet
not a single documented act of violence against Jews resulted from the
film, nor even a single verbal assault. A study conducted by Hebrew Union
College in Los Angeles indicated some anger among Christians toward
Jews—but because of the reaction to the film, rather than its contents.
Thanks to the ADL, our strong and self-confident community was made to
appear silly and paranoid before the world. 
The Passion fiasco was hardly the ADL's only effort to alienate and insult
American Christians. In November 2005, Foxman delivered a widely publicized
speech in which he warned that American Christian organizations were
engaged in an insidious campaign to “Christianize” America. It’s a shocking
allegation: firstly, because Jewish interfaith groups have developed very
strong ties with precisely such organizations in the past decade; and
secondly, because conservative Jewish groups have been just as aggressive
in their efforts to breach the wall between church and state. While
Christian groups can’t get the ornaments of Christianity placed in
government buildings, Chabad has succeeded in publicly erecting enormous,
gaudy menorahs throughout the country. 
As Mel Gibson movies go, it's no What Women Want: A scene from The
PassionIn this environment, where the push for more religion in public life
unites religious conservatives across all faiths, why would Foxman single
out Christians? Again, the answer is simple: Fundraising. Such
headline-grabbing proclamations add a historically evocative Christian
dimension to the terrifying nightmare-world in which the ADL encourages its
benefactors to live. 
The ADL can libel American Christians in general without fear of legal
consequence, but when it goes on to identify specific “antisemites” it
leaves itself more vulnerable. Time after time, Americans who resented
being named-and-shamed as antisemites have sued the ADL for libel. In 2000,
Colorado residents Dorothy and William Quigley received a ten million
dollar verdict against the ADL, which, according to Federal judge Edward
Nottingham, “had labeled a…neighborhood feud as an antisemitic event.”
Nottingham concluded that the ADL had not properly investigated the case
nor considered the consequences of its accusations. But what the ADL lost
in libel fees, it gained in bogus credibility. Baseless accusations of
antisemitism contribute to a paranoid fundraising atmosphere that makes
Foxman’s ADL seem utterly necessary; maybe the Quigleys weren’t
antisemites, but that doesn’t mean your neighbors aren’t Hitlerists in
disguise. Still, such bullying by the ADL has an inevitable chilling
effect: Jewish community leaders, even those who take exception to the
ADL's techniques, fear speaking out lest the ADL accuse them of some crime
against the Jewish people. Like all bullies, the ADL is widely disliked,
but less widely spoken out against. 
Ultimately, it is the seductive appeal of the ADL's dark visions that most
threaten us. American Jewry enjoys privileges undreamed of in Jewish
history: we are a more accepted, more integral part of our country than any
Jewish community ever has been. We have entered unprecedented territory in
Jewish history, and the enticements and possibilities of this new era
should be setting our souls alight. 
Foxman’s ADL justifies its existence by beckoning us backward, encouraging
us to hide from the ever-present Cossacks in a psychological shtetl. It's a
dark vision that serves the ADL's interests, but not ours. So perhaps we
should be grateful to Abraham Foxman for acting as he did after the April
meeting with Abdullah Gul, and doing something to so publicly and
incontrovertibly demonstrate how destructive he has become to his own
organization, and to the Jewish community he claims to serve. 

 interests of the Jewish community as much as Foxman...
Non penso nahum, neppure in un momento di delirio solipsistico, sia 
arrivato a pensarlo.
Era un tentativo di dialettica-kamikaze?
Tb

 Era un tentativo di dialettica-kamikaze?
No, è un modo per dire che uno che si comporta come Zanardo (nel suo
piccolo ovviamente, come le proverbiali formiche) 'rappresenta gli
interessi della propria comunità' allo stesso modo di uno come Foxman.

 imho testimonia la tua ennesima figura da fesso, ma ci sei abituato..
ecco l'amico dell'ADL
chissà se Zanardo si dissocia
http://www.repubblica.it/2009/01/sezioni/politica/elezioni-sardegna/elez
ioni-sardegna/elezioni-sardegna.html
Stupri, Berlusconi: "Ci vorrebbero tanti soldati
quante sono le belle ragazze italiane"
-- 
"Logi is a goy and so, poor fellow, he is used to believe that written
words do not need intepretation"
(Andrea Zanardo)    
http://tinyurl.com/7j67gh

fe...@delenda.net
 ha scritto:
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Al netto del tuo ingarbuglio non si può che prendere questo complimento 
a nahum come un segno di grandissima stima.
Tb

 a nahum come un segno di grandissima stima.
Se lo dici tu.. Io in effetti pensavo di proporlo per un premio, vista la
sua intensa attività internettiana.

fe...@delenda.net
 ha scritto:
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Ormai siamo oltre la stima... siamo alla sindrome di Stoccolma.
Vuoi una sigaretta?
Tb

 Vuoi una sigaretta?
Dovrei dirti che odio il fumo di sigaretta come poche altre cose al mondo,
ma visto che lo faceva anche Onkel Adolf e c'č il varesotto in ascolto
meglio evitare fraintendimenti.

 quante sono le belle ragazze italiane"
echissenefrega? basta che sia per Israele, e può anche stuprarsi tutte
le ragazze...

 Dovrei dirti che odio il fumo di sigaretta come poche altre cose al mondo
Un po' di cibo per cani, allora?
Tb

In le message del Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:57:47 +0100, Tonibaruch ha scripte:
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A differenza di Itlé, detesto i canidi. Hai cibo per orsacchiotti? 

 A differenza di Itlé, detesto i canidi. 
Sei incontentabile. Toccherà mozzarti un dito e poi fasciartelo alla 
meglio, con uno straccio sporco.
Tb

 meglio, con uno straccio sporco.
Non sono mica Robert Mitchum in Yakuza...