Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Haaretz sui coloni

They are not wild weeds 
 
Thanks to media attention, it is now possible to see, on the
television screen in your own living room, settler violence. For years
it has been hiding out there in the territories, visible only for
those brief moments when the Israel Defense Forces and police tried to
evacuate settlement outposts.
It is now possible to see the "hilltop youth" - young men from the
South Hebron Hills, and the Kahanists who live in Hebron; those who
beat up and shot Palestinians but were never arrested because they
disappeared within their communities; those who uprooted olive trees
and intimidated entire villages. They are not just a few, and they are
not wild weeds. Rather, they are flesh of the flesh of religious
Zionism, the second and third generation of the settlements.
The law-abiding community, the one represented by the government and
the Knesset, need feel neither pity nor empathy for the new rebel
organizations, which do not accept the state's authority. Blocking
major traffic arteries, even without pouring oil and nails on them, is
not peaceful civil disobedience, but rather violence for its own sake.
These are not one-time spontaneous demonstrations, but a carefully
thought out plan to keep the police pinned to the roads so that they
will be unable to carry out their assigned task.
The settlers are not trying to gain sympathy, but rather to forcibly
impose their minority opinion on the majority and cause the law
enforcement and defense establishments to collapse by flooding them
with pseudo-incidents that exhaust their operational strength. These
are not demonstrations, but a plan to sabotage the state to preserve
the benefits of a particular sector.
The settlers are also using force by refusing to cooperate with the
Disengagement Administration and pressuring people who are willing to
evacuate voluntarily. Gush Katif residents are not registering their
children for new schools or packing their belongings; they are not
allowing people who want to leave to do so; and they are sending their
minor children into danger, encouraging them to clash with soldiers
and police and to sit in jail.
Faced with this rebellion, politicians are behaving as cowards, as
Ariel Sharon termed them. They are afraid to confront religious
Zionism's powerful lobby lest it turn on them in the future. Even
those who seek to present themselves as an alternative leadership,
like Ehud Barak, Matan Vilnai and Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, are not making
clear statements against this open rebellion.
Even those few rabbis who say that soldiers should not refuse to
evacuate settlements are encouraging their students to fight with all
their might, up to the last moment. But the last moment to change this
democratic decision has already passed. The disengagement has begun.
Now, anyone who fails to cooperate is a lawbreaker.
The attempted lynching of a Palestinian teenager in Muasi would have
ended in his death had there not been journalists on the scene who
aided him. A medic from Gush Katif, who was debating whether or not to
treat him, was driven off by the rioters. The stone-throwers have not
been caught even thought their pictures are plastered all over the
newspapers. And these rioters were also not wild weeds, but ordinary
settlers.
If the harsh statements made by Attorney General Menachem Mazuz in his
meeting with the heads of the Yesha settlers council yesterday
indicate a change in approach, it is welcome - because if, after this,
there is no change in the field, the state will slide into anarchy.
 

 Zionism, the second and third generation of the settlements.
Per la serie:chi semina vento raccoglie tempesta.
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 Per la serie:chi semina vento raccoglie tempesta.
Esattamente come per l'Intifada :)
-Stefano

 Per la serie:chi semina vento raccoglie tempesta.
Ecco un'altro articolo, sempre su Ha'aretz, che secondo me e'
complementare.
(voglio che qualcuno accusi l'autore di essere uno schifoso antisemita,
cosi' ci facciamo due risate)
Ribadisco che il governo Israeliano ha *TUTTI* gli interessi per far
passare quello che sta succedendo come un terribile scontro che ha il
rischio di lacerare e distruggere Israele.
Cio non toglie che i fascisti del movimento dei coloni, agevolati per
anni dallo stato di Israele *SONO* pericolosi.   Per dirla con il
linguaggio Marxista, gli stati borghesi hanno spesso e volentieri
agevolato gruppi estremisti per ragioni tattiche, salvo perderne il
controllo.
Negli anni '20, i contrasti fra liberali e fascisti in Italia erano
spesso un'"internal spat".  Alla lunga non fu cosi'.
  Nothing more than an internal Zionist spat
By Meron Benvenisti
Haaretz
30 June 2005
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/594123.html
The closer the date of the disengagement, the clearer the extent of
"the historic event of epic dimensions" being staged by Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon and his helpers, with the enthusiastic
participation of supporters and opponents of the disengagement: This
is an internal, limited, intra-tribal, Jewish-Zionist struggle
between two camps split on evacuating Jewish settlements in the Gaza
Strip but united in their attitudes toward the "settlement" - the
Jewish tree, house, kindergarten - as a supreme value, something
with a soul.
One camp aspires to apply the sanctity of the Zionist house and tree
on all the settlements and outposts in the land of Israel, whereas
the other wants to apply the political and value significance only
to the settlements that it established or that suit its
geo-political outlook. The common Zionist denominator is what endows
the disagreement with its supposedly "fateful" character, because
both sides agree with the myth of "Jewish settlement," only they use
it for opposing purposes. The preservation or destruction of Jewish
settlement is perceived as a civil war, brother against brother, or
even "the destruction of the Third Temple," and therefore anyone who
remains "on the fence" is accused of not doing his Zionist duty.
And indeed the majority of the population, which remains indifferent
(and does not hang a blue or orange ribbon on its car) is criticized
because it is not rallying to save the State of Israel (by
supporting the demolishing or the preservation of the settlements).
And woe betide anyone who dares to say, at this crucial hour for
Zionism and the ethos of the settlements, that the whole business is
anachronistic, as everything long ago turned into sellable real
estate and at this very time even the evacuation of the Gush Katif
residents is being commercialized.
"The silent majority" not taking part in the Zionist merry-making of
the supporters and opponents of the evacuation, who are the mirror
image of each other, is in fact keeping a healthy distance from the
whole uproar, as it identifies the pretenses, the interests and the
manipulations. And if there is any need to prove the worry on all
sides about preserving the tribal, Jewish-Zionist framework above
all, the attitude toward the evacuation of the Jewish settlers in
the territories can serve as evidence. Everyone agrees with the
ironclad rule that every Jew in the land of Israel is a pioneer - a
fighter who is always partner to the collective struggle and never
just a plain citizen or farmer. Therefore, every settler everywhere
has always been "sent" there by the governments of Israel, whether
he has chosen to live in the flourishing suburb of a metropolis or
in a remote outpost. And because he is a pioneer who has been
"sent," the government is obligated to look after him, protect his
children and also pay for his evacuation and rehabilitation by
allotting huge sums of money and generous material resources.
The Zionist common denominator makes it inconceivable, even in a
whisper, to consider the Algerian model of disengagement. There,
when General Charles de Gaulle made a decision no less traumatic
than that to evacuate Gaza, he did not hesitate to privatize the
evacuation: Anyone who wanted could stay, and anyone who wanted
could move out and receive a stipend of 450 francs a month ($550 at
today's rates) and a rehabilitation grant of $25,000 per family. No
European settler remained in Algeria and there was no need to employ
tens of thousands of soldiers in the evacuation.
If anyone in Israel were to try to suggest a similar treatment, he
would be silenced immediately, as it is forbidden to abandon a Jew.
Furthermore, if de Gaulle's method were chosen, this would avoid the
spectacle for which 3,000 foreign journalists are coming and the aim
of which is to show how tragic the uprooting is and how impossible
it is to repeat it in the West Bank. And in order to stress the
symbolism of the Jewish home, they are deciding to demolish the
houses, among other reasons because an Arab must not use a house
infused with a Jewish soul; only Jews are allowed to boast that they
live "in an Arab house."
To understand the limited, familial nature of the treatment of the
disengagement, it is only necessary to pay attention to the fact
that it is focused on only a few thousand Israelis and does not
relate at all to 1.5 million Palestinians. What will happen to them
after the evacuation? Will the border crossings be handed over to
them, which would allow them a direct connection with the outside
world? Will the airport at Dahaniya be repaired and operated? Will
the construction and the operation of the Gaza port really be
permitted? Will the safe passage to connect the Gaza Strip and the
West Bank be put into operation?
All of these questions, and questions about the relations between
Israel and the Palestinian Authority, are not being given any public
discussion amidst the plethora of questions about the disengagement.
The Israeli public is united behind the perception that this is a
unilateral step Israel is taking in order to ensure its own
interests, the domestic agenda is the only thing that interests them
and the Palestinians can go to hell. The world is invited to wring
its hands at the drama or to clap its hands in applause for the
Israeli sacrifice - on condition that it pay the financial price of
the disengagement and make no political demands. And the question
arises as to whether this limited internal spat, which has been
blown up into "a historic event of epic proportions," is worth all
the violent uproar, or whether it is better that it fail and expose
the hypocrisy and meanness in the pretension, and the shallowness of
the illusion. In any case each side to the disagreement will claim
that its Zionist position has prevailed. It is not from this that
peace will come.

 West Bank be put into operation?
interessanti domande .
 
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 gesto di pace lasciarle intatte ai palestinesi?
E' stata l' ANP stessa a chiedere di distruggerle ed eliminare le relative
macerie.
L' ANP ha dichiarato che il tipo di abitazioni costruite dai coloni sono
adatte ad alloggiare poche persone(villette,case monofamiliari) ,pertanto
non risolverebbero i grossi problemi abitativi dei palestinesi ,oltre ad
occupare spazi preziosi.
Un altra spiegazione,aggiungo io,è che eventuali occupanti palestinesi di
quelle case verrebbero considerati da tutti come dei privilegiati.....
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position has prevailed.
Altra puttanata sostenuta dal nulla piu' assoluto.
-Stefano

relative macerie.
Massimo1!  Azz... Vai contro sergio e Torrieri? :)
Che mi debba ricredere su di te? :)
-Stefano

Stefano De Cesari ha scritto:
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DeCe' ,dormi ?
Avevo postato io la notizia su questo Ng il 16 aprile e tu manco te ne
ricordi ?
Per punizione rileggiti il post ! 
"Ramallah, 20:23 
M.O.: ANP NON VUOLE CASE COLONI GAZA, "DISTRUGGETELE" 
L'Autorita' palestinese non vuole le case che saranno abbandonate dai 
coloni israeliani nella Striscia di Gaza. Per questo il ministro dell'Anp 
per l'Edilizia residenziale e i lavori pubblici, Mohammed Shtayyeh, ha 
chiesto a Israele di abbattere le 8.500 abitazioni degli insediamenti e di 
portar via le macerie per fare spazio a condomini. "Speriamo che le case 
vengano distrutte" ha detto il ministro, "se vorranno lasciare in piedi le 
altre infrastrutture, ci faranno un favore, ma quelle abitazioni non sono 
utili per dare alloggio ai palestinesi. Le case degli israeliani sono 
bungalow, villette, seconde case e strutture turistiche che non sono utili 
per far fronte all'emergenza alloggi". () 
http://www.repubblica.it/news/
­ired/ultimora/rep_nazionale_n_­909524.html "
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Avevo postato io la notizia su questo Ng il 16 aprile
Guarda che era roba vecchia prima che tu la postassi :)
-Stefano

 will be unable to carry out their assigned task.
Sottoscrivo ampiamente il concetto.
Se vale per i coloni in Israele, vale anche in Italia.
Infatti ho sempre sostenuto che la polizia dovrebbe caricare, comunque, 
questa gente, per liberare le strade, denunciarli e arrestarli.
Sperando che qualche magistrato si ricordi dell'obbligatorietą 
dell'azione penale anche contro questi, sempre e comunque.
Mirco

 dell'azione penale anche contro questi, sempre e comunque.
Questa gente?  I coloni di Gaza hanno occupato le strade Italiane?  E
la polizia non fa nulla?   Mamma mia!   :-/
GT

la polizia non fa nulla?   Mamma mia!   :-/
Caro Torrieri,
la lontananza dall'Italia sembra averti fatto dimenticare la tua lingua
nativa :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

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Dato che sei cerebroleso ti specifico che stavo pensando ai vari 
manifestanti che manifestano bloccando strade, aeroporti, ferrovie, etc.
Di solito sono di sinistra.
Mirco