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Titolo: La distruzione degli ebrei in Irak

Quattro ebrei irakeni in viaggio verso Israele. 
Da qui, sull'ultimo numero di Reform Judaism, un lungo articolo sulla
distruzione, nel corso di una sola generazione, di una comunità antica
2500 anni e sulla storia degli ebrei irakeni. Erano 150.000. Oggi solo
undici rimangono ancora in Irak.
http://urj.net/rjmag/04winter/black.shtml
Sullo stesso numero, un ritratto della vita di una famiglia ebraica in
Iraq: "il paradiso perduto".
http://urj.net/rjmag/04winter/ruben.shtml
Tb
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http://urj.net/rjmag/04winter/ruben.shtml
Eggia'.
GT

 GT
Eggia' che? Anche i cristiani rischiano di scomparire in Irak. Magari 
cosi' capisci cos'e' il conflitto di civilta'.
Am.

 Am.
Bisognerebbe anche chiedersi perchè gli ebrei (e i cristiani) non vivono
più bene in Irak ed in altri paesi arabi. E' un conflitto? E' un conflitto
di civiltà? O si saranno rotti i coglioni delle continue ingerenze nei
cazzi loro?
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http://www.rense.com/general41/iaisj.htm
Un bel libro di fantasia.  Non c'e' nemmeno uno degli arrestati che
abbia mai detto che siano stati loro a tirare le bombe, seppure li
abbiano condotti ai depositi delle armi :)
Lo diceva solo il governo iracheno.  E sapessi che valore ha :)
-Stefano

O si saranno rotti i coglioni delle continue ingerenze nei cazzi loro?
Ingerenze ...... DA PARTE DI CHI? :)
Facci ridere fessacchiotto :)
-Stefano

 Eggia'.
Ma Torrieri. 
Non ti accontenti di avercela con gli eroi della Shoah?
Adesso ti stanno sulle palle pure gli spossessati, espulsi e
pogromizzati di Irak e mondo arabo?
Torrieri, certa di controllarti... nemmeno il nazikiwi arriva a certi
livelli.
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the British,
Altra puttanata :)
-Stefano

 anche lui di essere un "self-Hater",
Di eroi della Shoah, se permetti, non discuto con uno che razzola nella
immondizia negazionista (tu) o addirittura scrive le prefazioni di
Faurisson (quel povero scemo presenzialista di Chomsky).
Parliamo di gente seria, per cortesia.
Tb 

 livelli.
Gia' che si parla degli eroi della Shoah, ti invito a leggere
l'intervista di Noam Chomsky postata in un'altra thread.  Magari accusi
anche lui di essere un "self-Hater", per aver osato dire cose come
questa (esperienza diretta, a differenza di noi):
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da  
http://www.democracynow.org/static/chomskymit.shtml
NOAM CHOMSKY:  The obvious question about the remnants of the Holocaust
is why aren't they here? I mean, if you were -- survived extermination
camp in Poland or Germany in 1945, where would you want to go? Well,
first of all, probably half the population of Europe would have come
here if they had a chance, and I don't think there's very much doubt
that the survivors of this hideous experience, if they had had a chance
would have come to the one country in the world, one of the few
countries in the world that not only escaped the war but was enriched
by virtue of the war. The U.S. ended the war with an industrial
production roughly tripled, owning half the world's wealth, the only
major country that was untouched by war. Everyone else was seriously
harmed or devastated. This was paradise, so where would you have gone?
Well, very few came here, and I think it's not because they didn't want
to. Two forces kept them out. One is the United States didn't want
them, and the American Jewish community didn't want them. So there were
immigration proposals, legislation in the late 1940s, but the only part
of the Jewish community that lobbied for them were the anti-Zionist
groups, the American Council for Judaism. The general community didn't
want them.
AMY GOODMAN: Because?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, several reasons. For one thing, anti-Semitism was
not -- you know, it wasn't like Germany, but it wasn't a joke, either.
I mean, anti-Semitism was a serious phenomenon. I can remember very
well from childhood when my father got old enough to and finally got
enough money to buy a second-hand car in the late 1930s. If we would
drive up to the nearby mountains for a weekend, he would have to check
for motels to see if they said "restricted," because "restricted" meant
"no Jews."
...
So the point is there was a general -- there was an undertone of
anti-Semitism, which was -- and bringing over these very skeletons from
over there, just wasn't appealing. The other factor was there was a lot
of pressure to compel them to go to what was then Palestine, later
Israel. Turns out the -- we sort of half-knew this, being inside the
Zionist youth movement, but nothing like what has since come out in the
archival record. The Zionist movement in the Yishuv, the Jewish
community, essentially took over the camps and ran them and controlled
the food and resources and others. It wanted -- there was a fixed -- an
official policy of getting able-bodied people, men and women, I think
it was ages 17 to 35, and getting them sent off to Palestine,
essentially to be cannon fodder. The others -- the children, the older
people -- they didn't care much about. But they really did make efforts
not to have them sent to Britain or France, to the limited extent that
they would accept them. They preferred for them to be a kind of
psychological weapon against the British, in favor of immigration to
Palestine, which was the only place that really might welcome them, was
trying in every way to get them to come. The first study of this just
came out a couple of years ago in Hebrew. A friend of mine, Yosef
Grodzinsky -- actually an English version of it has just appeared, and
Common Courage Press is publishing it. I don't know what the English
title is [ed. In the Shadow of the Holocaust: The Struggle Between Jews
and Zionists at the End of World War II], the Hebrew title [ed. Chomer
Enoshi Tov] translates as "Good Human Material," meaning the good human
material we want to get over to Palestine. And, you know, if there had
been an objective investigation, which there wasn't, I think it's hard
to believe that that would have been the first choice of many people,
probably most people coming out of the concentration camps, if they had
had other choices, but they didn't.

 questa (esperienza diretta, a differenza di noi):
E quale sarebbe l'esperienza diretta di Chomsky?
Raccontami che sono curioso. Ha esperienza diretta di Motel
"restricted". E la cosa finisce lì. Come lui stesso dice molto
chiaramente, del resto.
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