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Titolo: palestinians condemning murder

Fa davvero impressione. Il contrasto tra la gente comune palestinese,
la loro leadership sempre troppo ambigua, e le cazzate sanguinarie che
pippetta e persio postano qui. La differenza tra chi in un posto ci
vive (ed e' persino pronto a convivere) ed altri coglioni che guardano
lo spettacolo.
http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2011/03/palestinians-condemning-murder.html
    I've been reporting in the Palestinian territories for many years,
and the responses I recorded today in Shchem (Nablus) really surprised
me. They seem to show a substantial distance between the PA leadership
and regular people. The leadership (he cites Abbas and others) are
muttering a condemnation of the murder, mostly not in Arabic and not
in front of their public, and then they're condemning Israeli
settlements. Nothing new here. On the other hand, I went to Shchem
today, and was very surprised. People on the street were willing to
condemn the murder unequivocally, in Arabic and in Hebrew, with no
embarrassment, in front of the camera, and even identify themselves.
[He shows some examples]. I've been covering the Palestinian
territories for years, but this I've never seen before. In the middle
of town, publicly, people had no compunctions openly to condemn the
murder of children.
    At this point one of the two anchormen asks if this is real, or
perhaps a one-off encounter with unusual townsmen. Eldar insists: the
interviews I've just shown were representative, and I made lots of
them, not only the snippets I just screened. Moreover, I didn't find
anyone saying the usual things about how it's settlers and Israelis
and IDF violence and all that. The atmosphere in Shchem today is that
the murder of the Fogel family was a terrible crime.
OK. So what does all this mean? Shlomi Eldar says he doesn't know, so
I certainly know even less. Still, being a blogger means you've got to
have theories about everything all the time, right? So here are some
conjectures.
1. Netanyahu's economic peace is working. Look at the store fronts of
Shchem: the economy is obviously booming, people are beginning to live
normal lives, and this allows them to think normal thoughts. The fact
that the IDF has largely moved out of the West Bank and has dismantled
most of the roadblocks, even as the settlements aren't growing, no
matter what the international media reports, is creating a new
breathing space for the Palestinians, and they're beginning to breathe
normally.
2. Exhaustion. The economic peace of 2009-2011 is succeeding where the
boom of the late 1990s didn't, because the Palestinians have lost
their illusions. In their suicide-bomber war of 2001-2003 they tried
to break Israeli society, but the attempt backfired disastrously. Now
they're eager to pick up where they could have been in 1999, this time
wiser and more realistic about what can and can't be achieved.
3. The Arab Spring of 2011 really does mean something. Over the past
few months we've seen masses of Arabs all over the region wishing for
the same kind of world the rest of us live in, and bravely trying to
get there. It's not even remotely clear they're going to end up with
liberal open societies, but then again, it's not certain they won't -
and even if they don't, some of them really do seem to be striving for
it.
4. Settlements aren't as aggravating as we've endlessly been told. If
there really is a sea change underway in the West Bank, it has started
even though the Jewish settlements are still there. This doesn't
necessarily mean the Palestinian populace is willing to have them stay
there, but it may mean they're open to a process where reconciliation
happens in the minds before the reality is foolishly and irrevocably
changed.
5. Most important of all, were it to be true: After a full century of
miscalculating, the Palestinians are beginning to understand that the
only way they'll get peace with Israel is by mutual recognition of our
common humanity. The first man interviewed says, repeatedly: "Tell the
Israelis Muslims aren't allowed to murder", and the teenager,
brandishing the picture of Ehud Fogel says "Why should he have died?
Isn't it a waste?"


ROTFL condannato a convivere con gli invasi, che maledizione.
Bello spettacolo veramente, un rodeo tra caproni.
Son ben munito di popcorn

 vive (ed e' persino pronto a convivere)
e anche ad ammazzare bambini che dormono. Cosa che il pippetta non fa,
a scanso di equivoci.

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non condanna. Lo considera parte della natura dei palestinesi.
perche' si intende di nulla.

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no, lo considero parte del costo dell'occupazione.  Se rubi la terra,
non puoi dormire con tutti e due gli occhi chiusi....

 non puoi dormire con tutti e due gli occhi chiusi....
quando il pippetta fa la voce della morale, e' davvero divertente.
(a parte questa faccenda di dare per scontata la natura omicida dei
derubati - chissa' se si applica solo ai palestinesi).

 derubati - chissa' se si applica solo ai palestinesi).
ALCUNI palestinesi sono omicidi, il governo israeliano, e il popolo
che lo ha eletto, stermina 400 bambini alla volta.

 ALCUNI palestinesi sono omicidi,
e di conseguenza TUTTI gli ebrei dovrebbero andaresene.
La logica bacata del pippetta.

 e di conseguenza TUTTI gli ebrei
solo i coloni. Oppure lo stato ebraico dichiara i TO territorio
israeliano e si prende tutti gli abitanti come cittadini

 solo i coloni.
categoria che non riesci a definire.