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Titolo: Venezuelan President’s Speech on Climate Change in Copenhagen

Lo ha già postato Giano ma voglio metterlo meglio in evidenza: merita.
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Venezuelan President’s Speech on Climate Change in Copenhagen
December 17th 2009, by Hugo Chavez
Copenhagen, Kingdom of Denmark
Wednesday, December 16th, 2009
President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez:
Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, Excellencies, friends, I promise 
that I will not talk more than most have spoken this afternoon. Allow me 
an initial comment which I would have liked to make as part of the 
previous point which was expressed by the delegations of Brazil, China, 
India, and Bolivia. We were there asking to speak but it was not 
possible. Bolivia's representative said, my salute of course to Comrade 
President Evo Morales, who is there, President of the Republic of Bolivia.
[Audience applause]
She said among other things the following, I noted it here, she said the 
text presented is not democratic, it is not inclusive.
I had hardly arrived and we were just sitting down when we heard the 
president of the previous session, the minister, saying that a document 
came about, but nobody knows, I've asked for the document, but we still 
don’t have it, I think nobody knows of that top secret document.
Now certainly, as the Bolivian comrade said, that is not democratic, it 
is not inclusive. Now, ladies and gentlemen, isn’t that just the reality 
of the world?
Are we in a democratic world? Is the global system inclusive? Can we 
hope for something democratic, inclusive from the current global system?
What we are experiencing on this planet is an imperial dictatorship, and 
from here we continue denouncing it. Down with imperial dictatorship! 
And long live the people and democracy and equality on this planet!
[Audience applause]
And what we see here is a reflection of this: Exclusion.
There is a group of countries that consider themselves superior to us in 
the South, to us in the Third World, to us, the underdeveloped 
countries, or as a great friend Eduardo Galeano says, we, the crushed 
countries, as if a train ran over us in history.
In light of this, it’s no surprise that there is no democracy in the 
world and here we are again faced with powerful evidence of global 
imperial dictatorship. Then two youths got up here, fortunately the 
enforcement officials were decent, some push around, and they 
collaborated right? There are many people outside, you know? Of course, 
they do not fit in this room, they are too many people. I've read in the 
news that there were some arrests, some intense protests, there in the 
streets of Copenhagen, and I salute all those people out there, most of 
them youth.
[Audience applause]
Of course young people are concerned, I think rightly much more than we 
are, for the future of the world. We have - most of us here - the sun on 
our backs, and they have to face the sun and are very worried.
One could say, Mr. President, that a spectre is haunting Copenhagen, to 
paraphrase Karl Marx, the great Karl Marx, a spectre is haunting the 
streets of Copenhagen, and I think that spectre walks silently through 
this room, walking around among us, through the halls, out below, it 
rises, this spectre is a terrible spectre almost nobody wants to mention 
it: Capitalism is the spectre, almost nobody wants to mention it.
[Audience applause]
It’s capitalism, the people roar, out there, hear them.
I have been reading some of the slogans painted on the streets, and I 
think those slogans of these youngsters, some of which I heard when I 
was young, and of the young woman there, two of which I noted. You can 
hear among others, two powerful slogans. One: Don’t change the climate, 
change the system.
[Audience applause]
And I take it onboard for us. Let’s not change the climate, let’s change 
the system! And consequently we will begin to save the planet. 
Capitalism is a destructive development model that is putting an end to 
life; it threatens to put a definitive end to the human species.
And another slogan calls for reflection. It is very in tune with the 
banking crisis that swept the world and still affects it, and of how the 
rich northern countries gave aid to bankers and the big banks. The U.S. 
alone gave, well, I lost the figure, but it is astronomical, to save the 
banks. They say in the streets the following: If the climate were a bank 
it would have been saved already.
[Audience applause]
And I think that's true. If the climate were one of the biggest 
capitalist banks, the rich governments would have saved it.
I think Obama has not arrived. He received the Nobel Peace Prize almost 
the same day that he sent 30 thousand soldiers to kill more innocents in 
Afghanistan, and now he comes to stand here with the Nobel Peace Prize, 
the president of the United States.
But the United States has the machinery to make money, to make dollars, 
and has saved, well, they believe they have saved the banks and the 
capitalist system.
Well, this is a side comment that I wanted to make previously. We were 
raising our hand to accompany Brazil, India, Bolivia, China, in their 
interesting position that Venezuela and the countries of the Bolivarian 
Alliance firmly share. But hey, they didn’t let us speak, so do not 
count these minutes please, Mr. President.
[Audience applause]
Look, over there I met, I had the pleasure of meeting this French author 
Hervé Kempf. Recommending this book, I recommend it, it is available in 
Spanish – there is Hervé - its also in French, and surely in English, 
How the Rich are Destroying the Planet. Hervé Kempf: How the Rich are 
Destroying the Planet. This is what Christ said: it would be easier for 
a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter 
the kingdom of heaven. This is what our lord Christ said.
[Audience applause]
The rich are destroying the planet. Do they think the can go to another 
when they destroy this one? Do they have plans to go to another planet? 
So far there is none on the horizon of the galaxy.
This book has just reached me, Ignacio Ramonet gave it to me, and he is 
also around somewhere in this room. Finishing the prologue or the 
preamble this phrase is very important, Kempf says the following, I’ll 
read it:
“We can not reduce global material consumption if we don’t make the 
powerful go down several levels, and if we don’t combat inequality. It 
is necessary that to the ecological principle that is so useful at the 
time of becoming conscious, ‘think globally and act locally,’ we add the 
principle that the situation imposes: ‘Consume less and share better.’”
I think it is good advice that this French author Hervé Kempf gives us.
[Audience applause]
Well then, Mr. President, climate change is undoubtedly the most 
devastating environmental problem of this century. Floods, droughts, 
severe storms, hurricanes, melting ice caps, rise in mean sea levels, 
ocean acidification and heat waves, all of that sharpens the impact of 
global crisis besetting us.
Current human activity exceeds the threshold of sustainability, 
endangering life on the planet, but also in this we are profoundly unequal.
I want to recall: the 500 million richest people, 500 million, this is 
seven percent, seven percent, seven percent of the world’s population. 
This seven percent is responsible, these 500 million richest people are 
responsible for 50 percent of emissions, while the poorest 50 percent 
accounts for only seven percent of emissions.
So it strikes me as a bit strange to put the United States and China at 
the same level. The United States has just, well; it will soon reach 300 
million people. China has nearly five times the U.S. population. The 
United Status consumes more than 20 million barrels of oil a day, China 
only reaches 5-6 million barrels a day, you can’t ask the same of the 
United States and China.
There are issues to discuss, hopefully we the heads of states and 
governments can sit down and discuss the truth, the truth about these 
issues.
So, Mr. President, 60 percent of the planet’s ecosystems are damaged, 20 
percent of the earth's crust is degraded, we have been impassive 
witnesses to deforestation, land conversion, desertification, 
deterioration of fresh water systems, overexploitation of marine 
resources, pollution and loss of biodiversity.
The overuse of the land exceeds by 30 percent the capacity to regenerate 
it. The planet is losing what the technicians call the ability to 
regulate itself; the planet is losing this. Every day more waste than 
can be processed is released. The survival of our species hammers in the 
consciousness of humanity. Despite the urgency, it has taken two years 
of negotiations for a second commitment period under the Kyoto Protocol, 
and we attend this event without any real and meaningful agreement.
And indeed, on the text that comes from out of the blue, as some have 
called it, Venezuela says, and the ALBA countries, the Bolivarian 
Alliance say that we will not accept, since then we’ve said it, any 
other texts that do not come from working groups under the Kyoto 
Protocol and the Convention. They are the legitimate texts that we have 
been discussing so intensely over the years.
[Audience applause]
And in these last few hours, I believe you have not slept, plus you have 
not eaten, you have not slept. It does not seem logical to me to come 
out now with a document from scratch, as you say.
The scientifically substantiated objective of reducing the emission of 
polluting gases and achieving an agreement on long-term cooperation 
clearly, today at this time, has apparently failed, for now.
What is the reason? We have no doubt.
The reason is the irresponsible attitude and lack of political will from 
the most powerful nations on the planet. No one should feel offended, I 
recall the great José Gervasio Artigas when he said: “With the truth, I 
neither offend nor fear.” But it is actually an irresponsible attitude 
of positions, of reversals, of exclusions, of elitist management of a 
problem that belongs to everyone and that we can only solve together.
The political conservatism and selfishness of the largest consumers, of 
the richest countries shows high insensitivity and lack of solidarity 
with the poor, the hungry, and the most vulnerable to disease, to 
natural disasters. Mr. President, a new and single agreement is 
essential, applicable to absolutely unequal parties, according to the 
magnitude of their contributions and economic, financial and 
technological capabilities and based on unconditional respect for the 
principles contained in the Convention.
Developed countries should set binding, clear and concrete commitments 
for the substantial reduction of their emissions and assume obligations 
of financial and technological assistance to poor countries to cope with 
the destructive dangers of climate change. In this respect, the 
uniqueness of island states and least developed countries should be 
fully recognized.
Mr. President, climate change is not the only problem facing humanity 
today. Other scourges and injustices beset us, the gap between rich and 
poor countries has continued to grow, despite all the millennium goals, 
the Monterrey financing summit, at all these summits as the President of 
Senegal said here, revealing a great truth, there are promises and 
unfulfilled promises and the world continues its destructive march.
The total income of the 500 richest individuals in the world is greater 
than the income of the 416 million poorest people. The 2.8 billion 
people living in poverty on less than $2 per day, representing 40 per 
percent of the global population, receive only 5 percent of world income.
Today each year about 9.2 million children die before reaching their 
fifth year and 99.9 percent of these deaths occur in poorer countries.
Infant mortality is 47 deaths per thousand live births, but is only 5 
per thousand in rich countries. Life expectancy on the planet is 67 
years, in rich countries it is 79, while in some poor nations is only 40 
years.
Additionally, there are 1.1 billion people without access to drinking 
water, 2.6 billion without sanitation services, over 800 million 
illiterate and 1.02 billion hungry people, that’s the global scenario.
Now the cause, what is the cause?
Let’s talk about the cause, let’s not evade responsibilities, and let’s 
not evade the depth of this problem. The cause, undoubtedly, I return to 
the theme of this whole disastrous panorama, is the destructive 
metabolic system of capital and its embodied model: Capitalism.
Here’s a quote that I want to read briefly, from that great liberation 
theologian Leonardo Boff, as we know a Brazilian, our American. Leonardo 
Boff says on this subject as follows:
“What is the cause? Ah, the cause is the dream of seeking happiness 
through material accumulation and of endless progress, using for this 
science and technology with which they can exploit without limits all 
the resources of the earth.”
And he cites here Charles Darwin and his “natural selection”, the 
survival of the fittest, but we know that the strongest survive over the 
ashes of the weakest.
Jean Jacques Rousseau, we must always remember, said that between the 
strong and the weak, freedom is oppressed. That’s why the Empire speaks 
of freedom; it’s the freedom to oppress, to invade, to kill, to 
annihilate, and to exploit. That is their freedom, and Rousseau adds 
this saving phrase: “Only the law liberates.”
There are countries that are hoping that no document comes out of here 
precisely because they do not want a law, do not want a standard, 
because the absence of these norms allows them to play at their 
exploitative freedom, their crushing freedom.
We must make an effort and pressure here and in the streets, so that a 
commitment comes out of here, a document that commits the most powerful 
countries on earth.
[Audience applause]
Well, Mr. President, Leonardo Boff asks... Have you met Boff? I do not 
know whether Leonardo might come, I met him recently in Paraguay, we’ve 
always read him.
Can a finite earth support an infinite project? The thesis of 
capitalism, infinite development, is a destructive pattern, let’s face it.
Then Boff asks us, what might we expect from Copenhagen? At least this 
simple confession: We can not continue like this. And a simple 
proposition: Let’s change course. Let's do it, but without cynicism, 
without lies, without double agendas, no documents out of the blue, with 
the truth out in the open.
How long, we ask from Venezuela, Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, 
how long are we going to allow such injustices and inequalities? How 
long are we going to tolerate the current international economic order 
and prevailing market mechanisms? How long are we going to allow huge 
epidemics like HIV/AIDS to ravage entire populations? How long are we 
going to allow the hungry to not eat or to be able to feed their own 
children? How long are we going to allow millions of children to die 
from curable diseases? How long will we allow armed conflicts to 
massacre millions of innocent human beings in order for the powerful to 
seize the resources of other peoples?
Cease the aggressions and the wars! We the peoples of the world ask of 
the empires, to those who try to continue dominating the world and 
exploiting us.
No more imperial military bases or military coups! Let’s build a more 
just and equitable economic and social order, let’s eradicate poverty, 
let’s immediately stop the high emission levels, let’s stop 
environmental degradation and avoid the great catastrophe of climate 
change, let’s integrate ourselves into the noble goal of everyone being 
more free and united.
Mr. President, almost two centuries ago, a universal Venezuelan, a 
liberator of nations and precursor of consciences left to posterity a 
full-willed maxim: “If nature opposes us, let’s fight against it and 
make it obey us.” That was Simón Bolívar, the Liberator.
 From Bolivarian Venezuela, where a day like today some ten years ago, 
ten years exactly, we experienced the biggest climate tragedy in our 
history (the Vargas tragedy it is called), from this Venezuela whose 
revolution tries to win justice for all people, we say it is only 
possible through the path of socialism!
Socialism, the other spectre Karl Marx spoke about, which walks here 
too, rather it is like a counter-spectre. Socialism, this is the 
direction, this is the path to save the planet, I don’t have the least 
doubt. Capitalism is the road to hell, to the destruction of the world. 
We say this from Venezuela, which because of socialism faces threats 
from the U.S. Empire.
 From the countries that comprise ALBA, the Bolivarian Alliance, we 
call, and I want to, with respect, but from my soul, call in the name of 
many on this planet, we say to governments and peoples of the Earth, to 
paraphrase Simón Bolívar, the Liberator: If the destructive nature of 
capitalism opposes us, let’s fight against it and make it obey us, let’s 
not wait idly by for the death of humanity.
History calls on us to unite and to fight.
If capitalism resists, we are obliged to take up a battle against 
capitalism and open the way for the salvation of the human species. It’s 
up to us, raising the banners of Christ, Mohammed, equality, love, 
justice, humanity, the true and most profound humanism. If we don’t do 
it, the most wonderful creation of the universe, the human being, will 
disappear, it will disappear.
This planet is billions of years old, and this planet existed for 
billions of years without us, the human species, i.e. it doesn’t need us 
to exist. Now, without the Earth we will not exist, and we are 
destroying Pachamama as Evo says, as our indigenous brothers from South 
America say.
Finally, Mr. President, and to finish, let’s listen to Fidel Castro when 
he said: “One species is in danger of extinction: Humanity.”
Let’s listen to Rosa Luxemburg when she said: “Socialism or Barbarism.”
Let us listen to Christ the Redeemer when he said: “Blessed are the poor 
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”
Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, we are capable of not making this 
Earth the tomb of humanity. Let us make this earth a heaven, a heaven of 
life, of peace, peace and brotherhood for all humanity, for the human 
species.
Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much and enjoy your 
meal.
[Audience applause]
Translated by Kiraz Janicke for Venezuelanalysis.com
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5013
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The Foreign Ministry itself is now pushing the idea, urging supporters 
of Israel everywhere to
become cyberspace soldiers "in the new battleground for Israel's image."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378505678&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

 Lo ha già postato Giano 
Quindi perché riposti per la seconda volta la stessa cagata?
Sei pirla?
Tb (bieco illuminista)
-- 
"A vote is like a rifle, it's usefulness depends upon the character of
the user."
~ Theodore Roosevelt

 Cease the aggressions and the wars! 
e, per esempio:
The conflict between Jews and Arabs in the Land of Israel has taken many 
forms over the past 90 years since the Passover Riots of April 1920, 
which mark the first real organized local Arab effort to overturn the 
political decision made to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. Almost 
all of those forms have been violent.
There was once a display of black flags in Bet Shean when the High 
Commissioner appeared for a courtesy visit, but otherwise it was the 
secret Black Hand Society founded in 1919, Haj Amin El-Husseini, Azziz 
A-Din Al-Qassam and Yasser Arafat that dominated the scene - with 
terror, brigandage, slaughter and fire.  Before Hamas was Fatah, and 
before Fatah were the fedayeen, and before the fedayeen there were the 
gangs.
Ethnic cleansing was initiated and put into practice by Arabs. They 
caused the loss, temporarily, of Tel Hai in 1920, of Hebron, Gaza City, 
Jenin and Hulda in 1929, of Atarot, Bet HaAravah, Gush Etzion and 
Jerusalem's Old City in 1948. During the 1948-1967 exile from the 
heartland of Eretz-Yisrael, the Mount of Olives cemetery was desecrated 
and over 30 synagogues with the Old City walls were ransacked. Today, 
the Temple Mount has no Jewish religious value nor scientific 
archaeological worth for the Waqf authorities dig up, dump and destroy. 
Since the Oslo Accords, the Arabs have torched Joseph's Tomb in Nablus 
and vandalized the Shalom Al Yisrael 4th century synagogue in Jericho.
We have had two intifadas during which Arabs exclusively targeted 
civilians, preferably young children on school buses, diners at 
restaurants and pizza parlors, shoppers at grocery stores and malls, and 
pedestrians.
Last Friday morning, it was reported that a section of a mosque was set 
afire at Yassuf. Israel's President, Prime Minister, Ministers, MKs and 
a host of others, including rabbis from Jewish communities in Judea and 
Samaria, condemned the deed without waiting for any confirmation. As was 
proper. In addition, UN Special Coordinator Robert Serry, the EU 
represented by Sweden's Consul-General Eliasson and some public 
relations clerk in the US Consulate-General also chimed in with 
denunciations.
And then a woman, 22 years old, was stabbed in Gush Etzion by an Arab. 
She was Jewish.
Silence.
The difference.
http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/greenlined/entry/yes_there_is_a_difference

 Sei pirla?
esiste una ipotesi.

 The conflict between Jews and Arabs
ecco una dimostrazione di ottusità nazionalistica, che fa il degno
paio con haaretz che come unico commento al fallimento di Copenhagen
dice che è la dimostrazione che gli USA temono la Cina e quindi le
daranno ragione anche sull'Iran. La stessa ampiezza di visuale di un
cieco che sta precipitando dal grattacielo e continua a menare pugni
nell'aria contro un nemico che non esiste.

amaryllide ha scritto:
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A parte la metafora patetica.
L'Iran non esiste?
Bombacci non si intende molto di nemici.
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 L'Iran non esiste?
a Copenhagen non si parlava di Iran, ergo LI' non esiste


#_Certo che si merita un post a se, ma i miei post non li apre nessuno. Si 
va solo a sbirciare gli interventi miei; allora, perlomeno un paio, leggono!
Solo i consueti ebeti del duo il gatto e la volpe, non leggono, ma sputano 
la loro immancabile merda!
_Vorrei scrivere Repetita Iuvant, cosi`i professori di Latino si 
affacceranno subito a correggerla , cosi` forse si leggeranno il discorso di 
Chavez. Discorso che ha fatto pieno onore ai miseri, impotenti, cittadini 
del mondo e in special modo a tutti quelli che, fuori dell'alluzzata di 
Kobenhavn, si son presi  botte da orbi, dai consueti servitori ignari del 
potere che ci ammazzera` tutti.
"If the climate were a bank it would have been saved already....ladies and 
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 piccole nazioni di bloccare il voto.
#_Se non gli presentano le bozze dei documenti o neanche quelli gia` decisi, 
fa lo stesso. (ma l'hai letto il discorso o sputi sentenze accazzo?) 

 Lo ha già postato Giano ma voglio metterlo meglio in evidenza: merita.
qui la traduzione:
http://selvasorg.blogspot.com/2009/12/se-il-clima-fosse-una-banca-lavrebbero.html

 Am.
#_E` da dieci anni che so' riparato in collinaaaaaa !!!! 

 Lo ha gi� postato Giano ma voglio metterlo meglio in evidenza: merita.
qui la traduzione:
http://selvasorg.blogspot.com/2009/12/se-il-clima-fosse-una-banca-lavrebbero.html
#_Bravo Johnny!...
Fai con umilta`il nostro cane da tartufi !
10 e lode. 

 L'Iran non esiste?
peggio. Bombacci ritiene che i terroristi palestinesi siano un nemico 
inesistente. Non si intende di medio oriente, evidentemente.

 Lo ha già postato Giano ma voglio metterlo meglio in evidenza: merita.
poi ci si lamenta che non si fa la raccolta differenziata... :-) 

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news:hgki56$gt2$1...@nnrp-beta.newsland.it...
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fossi in voi mi preoccuperei seriamente del problema dei rifiuti come ha 
anche espresso Chavez... :-)) Questa � la terza discarica che proponete. 
Speriamo che sia almeno biodegradabile... :-)) 

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Un'ipotesi autorevole.
PP

 peggio. Bombacci ritiene che i terroristi palestinesi
IO ritengo che a Copenhagen non si parli di terroristi palestinesi,
IMBECILEE

Questo e' el palito, raffineria di Chavez in venezuela, affacciata sul
caribe e' un a BOMBA ecologica (proprieta' di PDVSA compagnia di stato
di Chavez).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30178373@N00/2286820645/
El Palito, con le sue catapecchie...il paese ha un introito da
idrocarburi di 1500$ PRO CAPITE ANNUO.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mariays/2753622089/
Questa gente NON ha avuto NULLA:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87393482@N00/395319195/
Chavez e' al potere dal 1998, sono ormai 10 anni e NIENTE e'
cambiato...o meglio sono cambiati i corrotti.
Altro che parlare a Copenhagen

 Questo e' el palito, raffineria di Chavez
le raffinerie di stato non sono di Chavez. Puoi andare, pirla


#_Aspetta il prossimo raccolto di Settembre; questa mandata di "erba" 
e`andata a male! 

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Coglione le raffinerie sono di Chavez che con PDVSA fa quello che
vuole (come licenziare tutti i firmatari dei referendum contro di
lui).
Questo il presidente di PDVSA
Rafael Ramírez Carreño
En febrero de 2002 fue designado Director Externo de Petróleos de
Venezuela. En julio de ese mismo año fue juramentado por el presidente
de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez Frías, como
Ministro de Energía y Minas (MEM), organismo que pasó a denominarse
Ministerio de Energía y Petróleo a partir de enero de 2005.
Se sei un poarello ignorante almeno taci!
Non sei obbligato a sparare coglionate.

 wrote in message
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Come fai a saperlo? Te la sei fumata tutta?

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E dimenticavo il vicepresidente si chiama
Asdrubal Chavez......Omonimia....NOOOOOOO!!
E' proprio suo cugino!!
Stupido!

 Coglione le raffinerie sono di Chavez
posta il contratto che dice che sono proprietà privata del signor Hugo
Chavez, e tali rimarranno anche quando perderà le elezioni, PIRLA!

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Caro imbecille, chi si mette in tasca i profitti? ....Chavez
Chi licenzia e assume a piacere? .....Chavez!
Postami tu il link che dice he berlusconi non decide in rai, per
esempio.
Ripeto, non sei obbligato a sparare cazzate!

 Chi licenzia e assume a piacere? .....Chavez!
caro ricard, il Bombacci (cioe', nella sua presente incarnazione, 
amalyllicoso) e' uno di quelli convinti che
"E un lager, cos'è un lager? Il fenomeno ci fu. E' finito! Li 
commemoriamo, il resto è un mito! l'hanno confermato ieri giù al 
partito, chi lo afferma è un qualunquista cane!
Cos'è un lager? E' una cosa sporca, cosa dei padroni, cosa vergognosa di 
certe nazioni, noi ammazziamo solo per motivi buoni... quando sono 
buoni? Sta a noi giudicare!
Cos'è un lager? E' una fede certa e salverà la gente, l' utopia che un 
giorno si farà presente millenaria idea, gran purga d' occidente, chi si 
oppone è un giuda e lo dovrai schiacciare!"
Non ci si puo' ragionare, insomma.

 Postami tu il link che dice che berlusconi non decide in rai,
non ci può essere, perchè la maggioranza del CdA RAI è stata scelta da
berlusconi stesso, e questo è un FATTO indiscutibile, mentre i
profitti che vanno in tasca a Chavez sono una balla.

 oppone è un giuda e lo dovrai schiacciare!"
caro RIcard, il cafone che ti sta rispondendo è stato iscritto per
diversi anni al PCI, il sottoscritto mai, ergo sulle stronzate che
scrive ci ha preso la tessera e crede di espiare le colpe passate
attribuendo ad altri i suoi errori. Il tipico zelo del rinnegato, che
evidentemente non ha ancora fatto pace col suo passato e non l'ha
saputo inquadrare come un episodio, più o meno fortunato, della sua
vita, ma come qualcosa che ripudia integralmente. Insomma, un esempio
perfetto di self-hating

 di versare i profitti della PDVSA sul conto di CHavez, vero?
E' la stessa legge che imponeva di versare gli aiuti internazionali ai
palestinesi sul conto di Arafat.
Come dici, non c'era una legge? Beh, poco male per la famiglia Arafat,
i soldi ci sono arrivati lo stesso su quel conto :-P