Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Deportazioni

U.S. allies resist secret deportations
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-06-20-secret-deportations_x.htm?csp=
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MILAN, Italy (AP) - U.S. allies have begun to resist
Washington's secretive role in spiriting away terror suspects:
Italy is investigating the disappearance of one accused militant
as a kidnapping, Sweden wrote rules to assert its authority over
outside agents and Canada is holding hearings after one of its
citizens was sent to Syria.
At least two of the cases bear the hallmarks of the CIA's
"extraordinary rendition" program - stepped up after Sept. 11
- in which the Bush administration has transferred dozens of
suspects to third countries without court approval, subjecting
them to possible torture.
In Italy, an Egyptian-born imam identified as Abu Omar had
already drawn the attention of Italian anti-terrorism officials
when he vanished off the streets of Milan two years ago,
reportedly bundled into a van and flown back to Egypt from a
joint U.S.-Italian air base.
"The prosecution is certain it was a kidnapping," prosecutor
Armando Spataro told The Associated Press last week. He
would not say who is suspected, citing judicial secrecy as the
investigation is still under way.
Italian news reports say the CIA was believed to have played a
role in the disappearance, and opposition politicians have
demanded explanations from the government of Premier Silvio
Berlusconi, a close ally of President Bush.
Citing conversations recorded by Italian anti-terrorism officials
in a wiretap, the Corriere della Sera and La Repubblica
newspapers reported that Omar, 42, called his wife and friends
in Milan after his release last year. He recounted how he had
been seized by Italian and American agents and taken to a secret
prison in Egypt, where he was tortured with electric shocks.
Italian officials say he is now living in Egypt, although Italian
newspaper accounts suggested he was returned to custody in Egypt
shortly after his release.
Asked about news reports alleging U.S. involvement, a U.S. Embassy
spokesman in Rome, Ben Duffy, said, "We do not comment on intelligence
matters."
Egyptian authorities have also refused to comment or discuss whether
they cooperated.
Spataro, the prosecutor who usually handles terrorism cases
involving Islamic militants, confirmed he visited Aviano,
a joint U.S.-Italian base north of Venice, on Feb. 23 but declined
to discuss any findings. He met with the Italian base commander,
according to Duffy.
Omar was believed to have fought with jihadists in Afghanistan
and Bosnia and Italian prosecutors were seeking evidence against
him before his disappearance, according to a report in La Repubblica
newspaper, which cited Italian intelligence officials.
Spataro said his disappearance damaged an ongoing operation,
hurting the war on terror.
Opposition Sen. Tana de Zulueta asked the government whether
Italy was involved in the disappearance but said she had not
received a reply. The Interior Ministry, in charge of one of
Italy's national police forces, referred questions to the prosecutor.
While Italian officials say Omar was abducted, the Swedish
government is facing tough criticism at home by international
human rights groups for having voluntarily handed over two
Egyptian terror suspects to American agents.
Criticism over the case prompted Swedish police to draft
new regulations on how to carry out deportation orders.
The new rules say only Swedish officers can conduct body
searches on Swedish territory and that Swedish officers must
remain in charge.
"There is nothing that prevents police from asking for help
(from another country), but it must be clear that the Swedish
authorities are in charge of the situation," said National
Police Board spokesman Hans Pont.
"We know that we will deport suspected terrorists in the future,
but even with suspected terrorists you have to act correctly,"
Justice Minister Thomas Bodstrom told AP.
On Dec. 18, 2001, Swedish security police turned over
Ahmed Agiza, 41, and Muhammed Alzery, 35, to U.S. agents
at Stockholm's Bromma Airport. The Americans, wearing
black masks, took the two into a small room and cut off
their clothes with scissors, replacing them with prisoner
uniforms, before placing them on a U.S.-registered Gulfstream jet,
according to a report by Sweden's chief parliamentary
ombudsman, a watchdog of state agencies.
The U.S. agents examined their mouths and ears, handcuffed them
and fettered their ankles and placed hoods over their heads,
the report said, calling the treatment "inhuman" and inconsistent
with Swedish law.
Agiza was convicted by Egypt's Supreme Military Court on
April 27, 2004, of belonging to and leading an outlawed group
aiming to overthrow the government. He was sentenced to 25 years
on the same charge in 1999 while he was in exile in Sweden.
Alzery was released from an Egyptian prison last
October, where he had been held on terrorism charges.
In Canada, Defense Minister Bill Graham testified at a
hearing in Ottawa last month that he was upset Washington
did not consult Ottawa's leaders before deporting a
Canadian citizen to Syria for questioning on suspicion
of terrorism. The case was handled by the Justice Department
as an expulsion and not a rendition by intelligence agents.
Graham also expressed surprise that Canadian security officials
apparently approved sending Maher Arar, to his native country for
questioning about alleged ties to al-Qaeda.
Graham told then-U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci it was
"totally inappropriate" that Maher Arar was sent
to Syria in October 2002 without first checking with
Canadian officials.
"His response was that 'We were totally entitled to do
what we did,'" said Graham.
Arar, 35, holds dual Syrian-Canadian citizenship and was
traveling on a Canadian passport when he was stopped in
New York during a stopover while returning to Canada from
Tunisia. He was held for 12 days before being sent to Syria
on suspicion of being a member of al-Qaeda, an allegation he denies.
Arar maintains that once imprisoned in Damascus, he was
tortured into making false confessions of terrorist activity.
Arar said he was held for more than a year in a dark,
damp cell, then was released without ever being charged.
The U.S. Justice Department has insisted that it had
information linking Arar to al-Qaeda, that Syria promised
he would be treated humanely and that shipping him there
was "in the best interest of the security of the United States."
Syria has denied he was tortured.
A U.S. counterterrorism official, speaking on the condition
of anonymity because the process is classified,
said rendition dates back several administrations and
is used to get only the most serious terrorists off the
streets, where there are only limited options.
In April the Dutch government denied the Netherlands had
cooperated in the "extraordinary rendition" program,
responding to questions from parliamentarians after the
Washington Post reported U.S. intelligence officers had
abducted terror suspects from European countries.
Germano Dottori, a political analyst at the Center for
Strategic Studies in Rome, said the rendition operations
are part of the American strategy of fighting terrorism
through preventive action, but that if revealed can cause
some damage to relationships between allied countries.
"No country appreciates intrusions into its sphere of national
sovereignty and this is a very delicate sphere of sovereignty,"
he said.

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davvero inquietante... d'altra parte in questo rapire e far sparire le
persone gli USA hanno fatto i maestri ai militari cileni, argentini,
salvadoregni eccetera eccetera.
Consiglio di leggere KILLING HOPE di William Blum . E ancora non sappiamo
molte cose che sono ancora classificate...
-- 
perle di artamantonibaruch su IPI : 
- sulle eliminazioni "mirate" di Sharon : "a mia memoria non esiste
nemmeno un targeted killing che abbia causato decine di vittime civili"
- Kahanisti, brava gente <g> : "Li considero nazionalisti religiosi,
antidemocratici, estremisti e terroristi. Razzisti, ... , mi sembra di no"
(togli le VVV per scrivermi)
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 citizens was sent to Syria.
Nonostante siano stati emessi degli ordini di cattura, nè qualcuno dei
nostri politici nè qualcuno dei nostri newsgrouppisti ha trovato il
tempo di commentare questa incredibile violazione della sovranità
nazionale. Si vede che il patriottismo va a scatti, secondo la
convenienza.
-- 
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy        e-mail: 
ll...@dada.it

commentare questa incredibile violazione della sovranitŕ nazionale.
Prima bisognerebbe dimostrare che vi sia stata.
E al momento ho visto solo chiacchere.
-Stefano

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ll...@dada.it
 (Luca Logi) wrote:
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Si, l'avevo menzionato sul NG gia' due mesi fa. Al di la' delle 
emozioni, e' un caso molto piu' grave per la sovranita' italiana, del 
caso Calipari,  come diceva la Repubblica.
Se poi considera che l'islamico e' stato rapito dalla CIA al fine di 
torturarlo in Egitto, sottraendolo alle autorita' italiane, be' il caso 
e' gravissimo.
Il governo dovrebbe risponderne in Parlamento, ma dubito che lo fara'.
Am.

 -Stefano
Peccato che mezz'ora fa ne e' stata data notizia al TG1, con commento 
del magistrato responsabile dell'indagine sul rapimento.
Ma del rapimento si sa da almeno due mesi.
Le chiacchere le *vedi* solo tu.
Am.

Il governo dovrebbe risponderne in Parlamento, ma dubito che lo fara'.
Rispondere .... di cosa?
C'e' una investigazione in corso e sono stati emessi mandati di cattura
dalla magistratura.
-Stefano

Le chiacchere le *vedi* solo tu.
Se lo dici tu... :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 wrote:
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Rispondere sulla violazione della sovranita' italiana e su come 
prevenirla.
In altre parole quel rapimento non e' un delitto comune, ma un atto 
politico in cui il  governo americano mostra  di fregarsene della 
competenza politica e giuridica dello stato italiano sul suo stesso 
territorio. 
Per cose del genere nel secolo scorso si scatenavano guerre, o cadevano 
governi.
Per il resto uno dei responsabili del rapimento, si e' appreso, e' 
addirittura un console americano. TG1 dixit.
Am.

addirittura un console americano. TG1 dixit.
Altre chiacchere.
C.V.D.
-Stefano

 -Stefano
Consiglio per le vacanze, Ste'.
L'Onniscienza e' una cosa bella, ma almeno secondo i buddisti, si 
ottiene dopo un percorso faticoso e difficile, se la si ottiene mai.
E comunque presuppone di tener conto di tutti gli esseri, insetti 
compresi.
In questo caso non ti chiedo di considerare l'opinione delle formiche, 
ma del TG1, e delle dichiarazioni del magistrato, secondo cui uno degli 
imputati del rapimento e' un console americano.
TG e magistrato potrebbero essere querelati, il governo americano 
potrebbe chiedere spiegazioni a quello italiano di un accusa 
ingiustificata, ecc...
Le solite obiezioni Ste'... 
Quanto ti manca al 100.000esimo post? Non vorrai mica che passi 
inosservato, vero? Ancora uno sforzo...
Am.

di un accusa ingiustificata, ecc...
E chi ti dice che non lo fara' o che non l'abbia gia' fatto? :)
-Stefano

convenienza.
Io sono convinto che l'operazione sia stata fatta con la
collaborazione dei nostri servizi.
D'altronde il patriottismo spesso finisce davante alle Forleo, e
allora....meglio bypassare certi....inconvenienti...
Kairaddin

 allora....meglio bypassare certi....inconvenienti...
I giudici milanesi, Spataro in testa, lamentano anche che il rapimento
abbia fatto saltare una indagine che stava dando buoni frutti, e che i
servizi americani, mentre chiedono informazioni a tutti, rifiutano di
assistere gli altri inquirenti dando le informazioni in loro possesso.
Si cita esplicitamente il caso di Mounir el-Motassadeq, un complice
degli attentatori dell'11/9, che in Germania è stato assolto, in quanto
gli USA non si sono preoccupati di fornire le prove necessarie per
condannarlo. Quindi non è un problema di Forleo o non Forleo, come
peraltro sapresti benissimo anche tu.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/26/international/europe/26milan.html?page
wanted=print
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sapresti benissimo anche tu.
Se lo dici tu...
-Stefano