Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Let my people go!

Un'accorata e ben argomentata risposta a questo articolo dai numerosi
postatori su questo NG che difendono valorosamente Israele da Roma e
Milano sarebbe benvenuta.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3391151,00.html
Idan Ben-Barak, who lives in Australia, tells fellow Israelis it's
time to leave Jewish State
They say that if you put a frog in a pot of lukewarm water and slowly
heat up the water, the frog would not feel the gradual heating and be
cooked without even attempting to jump out.
For 60 years now we've been so scared of the Arabs - actually, why 60,
100 at least - that is the only thing we see. All the rest is
marginal.
Corruption? Road accidents? Pollution? Poverty? Who cares about this
nonsense? Two Qassam rockets just landed in Sderot and Ahmadinejad
again made some belligerent statements. We've got action. Who has the
energy to deal with the small stuff? And meanwhile, the country is
crumbling in our fingers. Slowly but surely.
We already got used to it: There's no minister who isn't facing a
police investigation. Every police chief comes with a scandal and
every IDF chief of staff is a failure. The universities are
suffocating, while colleges are flourishing. Everyone is studying law
and business management in order to learn about how to move money.
Anyone who's worth anything in science and technology goes abroad to
pursue a career, because there are no research budgets in Israel. And
let's say we're able to give rise to and even keep two or three
brilliant minds here, what exactly are we going to do with all those
ultra-Orthodox guys who study Torah instead of serving in the army or
working? Who will keep Israel afloat in 15 years?
We tried to build a country that would be a safe place for the Jewish
people and that would allow us to live there in peace. It didn't work
out. It turns out we can't have it all. Perhaps it's something about
the Jewish character, or perhaps it's the fact that we got stuck in
the Middle East of all places, and maybe it's just bad luck.
Does anyone still believe in the IDF?
For a decade or two it seemed like it could work, but then we were
proven wrong. Somewhere between the West Bank settlement of Shavei
Shomron, Bnei Braq, the security zone in Southern Lebanon, Shenkin St.
in Tel Aviv, and upscale Caesarea, we lost our direction and the
bastards took over. Now we no longer have the energy to change
anything, we don't believe anyone; we're already tired.
Apparently, at the end they won't be taking over us with tanks. In two
or three decades there will be no need for that apparently. And if
they do attack, with ballistic missiles from Iran and Syrian Scud
missiles, does anyone still believe that the IDF can handle it?
After all, this is the same IDF that was unable to organize decent
backpacks for every reservist in a war that we initiated on our own.
The exact same IDF that has been pulverizing Hamas and Hizbullah for
20 years now - and look how nicely pulverized they are.
The Palestinians are not playing ball either. We tried a nice
approach? We got terror attacks. We hit them hard? We got terror
attacks. We occupied? Terror attacks. Evacuated? Terror attacks. Once
upon a time we thought we might be able to finalize some kind of a
deal with them so that the buses stop exploding, but today we
understand it will be like this forever.
Defeatist? Maybe. But any good poker player knows that a point comes
where we need to give up, put the cards on the table, and say goodbye.
A really good player knows how to do it when he still has money left
for another round on another day. A not-so-good player will find
himself going home after losing his pants, if he makes it home even.
So do yourself a favor. Look closely at your cards, and think about
how this round will be ending in your opinion.
Some readers may wonder whether I'm some kind of leftist, Arab-loving
traitor who is unconcerned about making his contribution to the
country. Have no worries, I already contributed, and not at the
office.
I did my military service in a combat unit, I was a career officer for
a while, I did reserve service, I carried loads, I was stationed at
roadblocks, I guarded, I screened, I navigated, I greased, I planted
landmines, I patrolled, I ambushed, and I was fired at. I know Tul
Karem and Hebron better than I know Hadera and Ramat Gan.
Second-hand Israeli in good condition
And by the way, they say that thing about the frog, but they're wrong.
If you try to slyly cook a real frog, at some point it will feel that
it's too hot and jump out much before you reach boiling point. I wish
for all of us the kind of healthy instincts a frog has.
You need to jump out of the pot. Move abroad, while it's still
possible. True, for Israelis "abroad" equals "America," but you may be
surprised to hear that it's not the only option. There are several
countries in this world that would be very glad to get a second-hand
Israeli in good condition. Canada is one of them. So is New Zealand.
There are many others.
At the end of the day, gloomy prophecies and unflattering comparisons
to other countries is not what will get you to board a plane. After
you debate, look into it, consult, examine the details, and do the
numbers, you'll be left with one question: Do I have the guts to do
it?
Leaving Israel is a risky business. Not because of the departure
itself, as after all we can always go back, and many people indeed to
that - but rather, because it forces you to deal with yourself. It's a
process of the most in-depth self-examination, whether you like it or
not.
Many people who plan to emigrate say that they're scared they will end
up missing their relatives, the scenery, soccer games on Friday
afternoon. In many cases, they're actually scared they'll end up not
missing all that. Because without it, who are you in fact? And that's
what you'll find out when you go.
And no, those six months you spent in the Far East don't count,
because back then you knew you'll be back and that the room at your
parents' house is still waiting for you. Now, it's like you're
throwing yourself into space. Bungee jumping without the rope.
Those who left and never came back apparently know why they didn't.
There are about a million Israelis like that in the world today. Those
who left and did return two or three years later know a few things:
They know who they are and what they are. They know what they love in
Israel and what they'd like to change. They know why they're staying
and they know this is the country they choose to live in, for the time
being at least. But those who never tried, even though they were able
to, are simply chickening out.
Listen, I don't know what will happen in the future. Maybe any moment
now the people of Israel will realize how close they are to the edge
and wake up. Maybe we'll even be able to come up with some kind of a
semi-stable arrangement with our annoying neighbors, reformulate an
agenda, and elect leaders for the Zionist enterprise who don't smoke
cigars or are closely associated with various millionaires and
functionaries. Maybe then we'll be able to live in a normal country.
And maybe not.

Milano sarebbe benvenuta.
Minchia giorgino se stai male.
Da qui non credo che ci sia ebreo che possa permettersi di mettere
bocca sulla scelta di fare Alyah o contro-Alyah.
Mi limito ad osservare che mi avrebbe colpito una lettera simile di un
ebreo che vive in Russia o in qualche teocrazia o in qualche
democrazia occidentale un po' critica [ie: Francia] .
Chiediti un po' come mai dall'Australia non mi stupisco che sia facile
scrivere appelli del genere?
MMAX
-- 
http://bloggoanchio.splinder.com

 how this round will be ending in your opinion.
Certo che è proprio una narrativa monotona: ancora a piangersi addosso
nonostante abbiano:
uno degli eserciti più efficienti del mondo,
il libano potevano polverizzarlo,
il controllo militar-poliziesco totale della west bank,
l'economia che decolla in continuazione (source: baruk),
la scienza più avanzata,
le città più belle,
le serre più floride,
la detenzione più amministrativa,
la tortura più umanitaria,
...
insomma, qualche kamikaze uccide lo zero-virgola-zero-qualcosa della
popolazione israeliana e 'sto tizio chiama la resa?
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 democrazia occidentale un po' critica [ie: Francia] .
In che senso la Francia sarebbe piu' "critica" dell'Australia?
Vabeh, adesso entrambe hanno dei fascistoidi come capi di stato/
governo, ma sai che adesso anche i fascisti trovano negli immigrati un
capro espiatorio assai piu' conveniente degli Ebrei.  :-/
GT

 time to leave Jewish State
Ecco la risposta.
Chi li trattiene?
Tb
-- 
רפוה שלמה לחולה פרנץ בן יוסף וחנה

 time to leave Jewish State
Dove sta il problema?  Gli idioti vivono pure in Australia e possono
essere pure ebrei.
Di cosa ti meravigli?
-Stefano

 Dove sta il problema?  Gli idioti vivono pure in Australia
Raggiungono il picco in NZ, pero'.
Palmiro Pangloss
-- 
Tarpaulin: Amarcord Cold War
http://tarpaulin.blogspot.com/

 Raggiungono il picco in NZ, pero'.
Ultimamente si è notato un picco a francoforte.


On 7 May 2007 06:43:30 -0700, 
luno...@gmail.com
 wrote:
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Il fenomeno delle contro alyoth è molto diffuso [ci son statistiche a
riguardo molto significative che ho visto tempo fa pubblicate da
Haaretz] laddove gli olim vengono da paesei "protetti" da derive
antisemite et similia in primis gli USA...curiosamente gli olim
provenienti da alcuni paradisi teocratici o paesi anticonformisti...se
ne restano in Israele.
MMAX
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http://bloggoanchio.splinder.com