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Ed ora ridiamo.

> Ed ora ridiamo.
Ed ora prepariamoci a scivolare ancora piů nel ridicolo. 

 Ed ora ridiamo.
Grazie Veltroni..e a tutti quelli che per tirar giů il crocifisso
hanno tirato giů pure la casa.
Domani compro azioni Mediaset (almeno mi rifaccio
sui soldi)
Ciao! 

 Ed ora prepariamoci a scivolare ancora più nel ridicolo. 
Ridicolo? E chi se ne fregherebbe del ridicolo.
Il fatto è che ci dobbiamo preparare a scivolare nel peggiore pantano 
della storia della Repubblica, e in uno dei momenti più delicati della 
congiuntura internazionale.
Avremo i due partiti maggiori filoamericani: uno di maggioranza, che lo 
sarà supinamente e uno di minoranza, che lo sarà veltronianamente.
E questo nel momento in cui in Europa ci si dovrà attrezzare ad un 
gigantesco riequilibrio del sistema geopolitico.
Non vedo nulla di buono all'orizzonte.

 Ma di che *cianci* gigantesco pirla?
Niente, torna a dormire.

succeeded, we ought to say that,
since Mahomet succeeded, Jesus Christ should have failed.
600. Any man can do what Mahomet has done; for he performed no miracles, he
was not foretold. No man can do what Christ has done.
601. The heathen religion has no foundation at the present day. It is said
once to have had a foundation by the oracles which spoke. But what are the
books which assure us of this? Are they so worthy of belief on account of
the virtue of their authors? Have they been preserved with such care that we
can be sure that they have not been meddled with?
The Mahometan religion has for a foundation the Koran and Mahomet. But has
this prophet, who was to be the last hope of the world, been foretold? What
sign has he that every other man has not who chooses to call himself a
prophet? What miracles does he himself say that he has done? What mysteries
has he taught, even according to his own tradition? What was the morality,
what the happiness held out by him?
The Jewish religion must be differently regarded in the tradition of the
Holy Bible and in the tradition of the people. Its morality and happiness
are absurd in the tradition of the people, but are admirable in that of the
Holy Bible. (And all religion is the same; for the Christian religion is
very different in the Holy Bible and in the casuists.) The foundation is
admirable; it is the most ancient book in the world, and the most authentic;
and whereas Mahomet, in order to make his own book continue in existence,
forbade men to read it, Moses, for the same reason, ordered every one to
read his.
Our religion is so divine that another divine religion has only been the
foundation of it.
602. Order.--To see 

by a natural though
imperceptible chain which binds together things most distant and most
different, I hold it equally impossible to know the parts without knowing
the whole and to know the whole without knowing the parts in detail.
The eternity of things in itself or in God must also astonish our brief
duration. The fixed and constant immobility of nature, in comparison with
the continual change which goes on within us, must have the same effect.
And what completes our incapability of knowing things is the fact that they
are simple and that we are composed of two opposite natures, different in
kind, soul and body. For it is impossible that our rational part should be
other than spiritual; and if any one maintain that we are simply corporeal,
this would far more exclude us from the knowledge of things, there being
nothing so inconceivable as to say that matter knows itself. It is
impossible to imagine how it should know itself.
So, if we are simply material, we can know nothing at all; and if we are
composed of mind and matter, we cannot know perfectly things which are
simple, whether spiritual or corporeal. Hence it comes that almost all
philosophers have confused ideas of things, and speak of material things in
spiritual terms, and of spiritual things in material terms. For they say
boldly that bodies have a tendency to fall, that they seek after their
centre, that they fly from destruction, that they fear the void, that they
have inclinations, sympathies, antipathies, all of which attributes pertain
only to mind. And in speaking of minds, they consider them as in a place,
and attribut

it was necessary there should have been precedent prophesies, and
that these should be conveyed by persons above suspicion, diligent,
faithful, unusually zealous, and known to all the world.
To accomplish all this, God chose this carnal people, to whom He entrusted
the prophecies which foretell the Messiah as a deliverer and as a dispenser
of those carnal goods which this people loved. And thus they have had an
extraordinary passion for their prophets and, in sight of the whole world,
have had charge of these books which foretell their Messiah, assuring all
nations that He should come and in the way foretold in the books, which they
held open to the whole world. Yet this people, deceived by the poor and
ignominious advent of the Messiah, have been His most cruel enemies. So that
they, the people least open to suspicion in the world of favouring us, the
most strict and most zealous that can be named for their law and their
prophets, have kept the books incorrupt. Hence those who have rejected and
crucified Jesus Christ, who has been to them an offence, are those who have
charge of the books which testify of Him, and state that He will be an
offence and rejected. Therefore they have shown it was He by rejecting Him,
and He has been alike proved both by the righteous Jews who received Him and
by the unrighteous who rejected Him, both facts having been foretold.
Wherefore the prophecies have a hidden and spiritual meaning to which this
people were hostile, under the carnal meaning which they loved. If the
spiritual meaning had been revealed, they would not have loved it, and,
unable to bear it, they would not have been zealous of the preservation of
their books and their ceremonies; and if they had loved these spiritual
promises, and ha

business,
yet religion was with all sorts the great concern, and the world was a
thing only by the bye. The only thing in their view was to get the
kingdom of heaven, and every one appeared pressing into it. The
engagedness of their hearts in this great concern could not be hid, it
appeared in their very countenances. It then was a dreadful thing
amongst us to lie out of Christ, in danger every day of dropping into
hell; and what persons' minds were intent upon, was to escape for their
lives, and to fly from wrath to come. All would eagerly lay hold of
opportunities for their souls, and were wont very often to meet together
in private houses, for religious purposes: and such meetings when
appointed were greatly thronged.
There was scarcely a single person in the town, old or young, left
unconcerned about the great things of the eternal world. Those who were
wont to be the vainest and loosest, and those who had been disposed to
think and speak lightly of vital and experimental religion, were now
generally subject to great awakenings. And the work of conversion was
carried on in a most astonishing manner, and increased more and more;
souls did as it were come by flocks to Jesus Christ. From day to day for
many months together, might be seen evident instances of sinners brought
out of darkness into marvellous light, and delivered out of an horrible
pit, and from the miry 

not take it from
Scripture, is an enemy of Scripture. (St. Augustine, Of Christian Doctrine.)
901. Humilibus dat gratiam;223 an ideo non dedit humilitatem?224
Sui eum non receperunt; quotquot autem non receperunt,225 an non erant
sui?226
902. "It must indeed be," says Feuillant, "that this is not so certain; for
controversy indicates uncertainty (Saint Athanasius, Saint Chrysostom,
morals, unbelievers)."
The Jesuits have not made the truth uncertain, but they have made their own
ungodliness certain.
Contradiction has always been permitted, in order to blind the wicked; for
all that offends truth or love is evil. This is the true principle.
903. All religions and sects in the world have had natural reason for a
guide. Christians alone have been constrained to take their rules from
without themselves, and to acquaint themselves with those which Jesus Christ
bequeathed to men of old to be handed down to true believers. This
constraint wearies these good Fathers. They desire, like other people, to
have liberty to follow their own imaginations. It is in vain that we cry to
them, as the prophets said to the Jews of old: "Enter into the Church;
acquaint yourselves with the precepts which the men of old left to her, and
follow those paths." They have answered like the Jews: "We will not walk in
them; but we will follow the thoughts of our hearts"; and they have said,
"We will be as the other nations."
904. They make a rule of exception.
Have the men of old given absolution before penance? Do this as exceptional.
But of the exception you make a rule without exception, so that you do not
even want the rule to be exceptional.
905. On confessions and absolutions without signs of regret.
God regards only the inward; the Church judges only by the outward. God
absolves as soon as He sees penitence in the heart; the Church when she sees
it in works. God will make a Church pure within, which confounds, by its
inw

 Ed ora ridiamo.
Adesso arrivano i barbari:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8PtxJDsCAE
MG

 Avremo i due partiti maggiori filoamericani
Che cazzo vuol dire filoamericano, che cazzo vuol dire?
A me piace il cinema americano, il rock americano, il punk americano.
Adoro Manhattan e Frisco, mi piacciono gli hamburger ben fatti ed il
Grand Canyon.
Me ne sbatto i coglioni dei filo e dei fili.
Questo è stato un governo debole, indubbiamente, ma con dentro alcune
persone di buona volontà.
Il problema è il baratro che ci si para davanti.

 Il problema è il baratro che ci si para davanti.
Eh, quoto.
M.

of damnation, nor does any word in the Bible require
such self-denial as this. But the truth is, as some have more clearly
expressed it, that salvation has appeared too good for them, that they
were worthy of nothing but condemnation, and they could not tell how to
think of salvation being bestowed upon them, fearing it was inconsistent
with the glory of God's majesty, that they had so much contemned and
affronted.
That calm of spirit that some persons have found after their legal
distresses, continues some time before any special and delightful
manifestation is made to the soul of the grace of God as revealed in the
gospel. But very often some comfortable and sweet view of a merciful
God, of a sufficient Redeemer, or of some great and joyful things of the
gospel, immediately follows, or in a very little time: and in some, the
first sight of their just deserts of hell, and God's sovereignty with
respect to their salvation, and a discovery of all-sufficient grace, are
so near, that they seem to go as it were together.
These gracious discoveries given, whence the first special comforts are
derived, are in many respects very various. More frequently, Christ is
distinctly made the object of the mind, in His all-sufficiency and
willingness to save sinners; but some have their thoughts more
especially fixed on God, in some of His sweet and glorious attributes
manifested in the gospel, and shining forth in the face of Christ. Some
view the all-sufficiency of the mercy and grace of God; some, chiefly
the infinite power of God, and His ability to save them, and to do all
things for them; and some look most at the truth and faithfulness of
God. In some, the truth and certainty o

 Il problema è il baratro che ci si para davanti.
Riquoto

and do every hour. He who should find the secret of rejoicing in the good,
without troubling himself with its contrary evil, would have hit the mark.
It is perpetual motion.
182. Those who have always good hope in the midst of misfortunes, and who
are delighted with good luck, are suspected of being very pleased with the
ill success of the affair, if they are not equally distressed by bad luck;
and they are overjoyed to find these pretexts of hope, in order to show that
they are concerned and to conceal by the joy which they feign to feel that
which they have at seeing the failure of the matter.
183. We run carelessly to the precipice, after we have put something before
us to prevent us seeing it.
                 SECTION III: OF THE NECESSITY OF THE WAGER
184. A letter to incite to the search after God.
And then to make people seek Him among the philosophers, sceptics, and
dogmatists, who disquiet him who inquires of them.
185. The conduct of God, who disposes all things kindly, is to put religion
into the mind by reason, and into the heart by grace. But to will to put it
into the mind and heart by force and threats is not to put religion there,
but terror; terorrem potius quam religionem.22
186. Nisi terrerentur et non docerentur, improba quasi dominatio videretur
(St. Augustine, Epistle 48 or 49),[23] Contra Mendacium ad Consent

 Il problema è il baratro che ci si para davanti.
Quale baratro, scusa?
Io l'unico baratro che vedo è dover sopportare qualche anno un razzista
liberista come avversario-amante politico di Berlusconi. Sto valutando
l'ipotesi di votare direttamente l'originale, Berlusconi: a parità di
impresentabilità, mi sembra il male minore - mi sembra più di sinistra!
Del resto, si sa, nel populismo si nasconde sempre un po' di sinistra.
Meglio allora il populismo di B.B. che il cieco liberismo veltroniano.
T.
-- 
TLCA-MNFCMT: Teorema di Limitatezza delle Capacità Analitiche applicato
alla Merda NaziFascista, già Coglione Maccartista, ToniBaruch.
«Sono in Italia la settimana prossima. Dimmi un posto e un ora»
(cfr. "De la codardia e la fascisteide del salottifero fascioJP")

 Ed ora ridiamo.
io ho pronta la signature:
Mi è gradita l'occasione per ringraziare la famiglia Mastella

 Sto valutando l'ipotesi di votare direttamente l'originale, Berlusconi
No, grazie: al "tanto peggio tanto meglio" abbiamo già giocato, in
questo cazzo di paese.
Non è affatto andata bene.
Continuo a sostenere che, in tempi di vacche magre, la riduzione del
danno sia l'unica strategia sensata, nonostante tutto.

 l'ipotesi di votare Berlusconi:
Ma vah?
Te lo ha ordinato Tilgher? 

 questo cazzo di paese.
Infatti. Di "Prima Linea" ne è bastata una.
Namib

 l'importanza dell'America è fondamentale.
Diciamo che nel 900 l'America è fondamentale in ogni cosa che oggi abbia 
ancora una qualche rilevanza. 

 danno sia l'unica strategia sensata, nonostante tutto.
Io direi invece che o questo governo ha agito bene, e allora lo si rivota, 
oppure ha agito male, e allora si vota l'opposizione. Votare per il governo 
anche se si č convinti che abbia agito male porta alla cancrena. 

 anche se si è convinti che abbia agito male porta alla cancrena. 
Non vedo perchè dovrei semplificare la realtà, se la realtà è complessa.
Penso che questo governo abbia fatto alcune cose buone.
Penso che il precedente governo abbia fatto schifo.
Del resto, in sistemi politici in cui si tende sempre più a ridurre la
rappresentatività in favore di una (molto presunta, nel caso italiota)
maggiore governabilità se si sceglie di scegliere si sceglie in meno peggio.

 peggio.
Boh, io sinceramente in questi due anni non sto per un cazzo meno peggio dei 
precedenti 5. Tu sì?

 precedenti 5. Tu sì?
Stai postulando che le dinamiche siano istantanee.
Io non lo credo ed infatti ritengo che il vero peccato stia proprio
nel fatto che in meno di due anni si era proceduto ad un buon
risanamento dei conti pubblici.
La parte interessante sarebbe dovuta arrivare adesso.
Una prece.

 La parte interessante sarebbe dovuta arrivare adesso.
Però come scienziato dovresti convenire con me sul fatto che i risultati che 
_potrebbero_ essere ottenuti, hanno valore di esistenza zero.

 sui soldi)
Dovevi farlo ieri, guadagnavi più del 4% in 24 ore...
Carlo "Jurassic Park"

 Dovevi farlo ieri, guadagnavi più del 4% in 24 ore...
Bah..stavo scherzando*..comunque é certo che nel lungo
periodo recupererà visto che il proprietario potrà tornare
a fare i suoi porci comodi al Governo (foss'anche come
vice di Montezumolo)...grazie ai "difensori dei valori teorici"
ma non di borsa (e portafoglio operaio).
*Non so manco da dove s'inizia
Ciao! 

 oppure ha agito male, e allora si vota l'opposizione.
perchè? L'opposizione non è buona di per sè solo perchè il governo è
cattivo. Puoi anche non votare, oppure valutare se con un nuovo
sistema elettorale può nascere un governo composto diversamente
dall'attuale (ovvero non in balìa di delinquenti come Dini e Mastella)
e quindi potrà fare meglio.

 La parte interessante sarebbe dovuta arrivare adesso.
e guarda caso proprio adesso il governo cade...che strano...sarà mica
che il partito delle banche di cui Dini è un ottimo rappresentante non
voleva che arrivasse anche un solo centesimo di euro a chi lavora
davvero?

 o Turigliatto,
Turigliatto è stato rimpiazzato da Follini da un pezzo, il governo
l'hanno fatto cadere i "nuovi", ovvero Mastella, Dini, i 2 loro
tirapiedi e Fisichella...

 danno sia l'unica strategia sensata, nonostante tutto.
Ehm, è esattamente quel che ho detto io. Da un punto di vista
antiliberista, che è quello che a me sta a più a cuore, il meno peggio
tra Veltroni e Berlusconi pare sia proprio quest'ultimo. Non a caso il
leader del PD, Montezemolo, sta chiedendo un governo "per le riforme".
Intanto Giordano ha appena sostenuto "mai più coi centristi".
Dopo quindici anni l'ha capito: che mente sopraffina che ha!
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 Te lo ha ordinato Tilgher? 
Ma chi, quello che doveva portarti la spranga?
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 davvero?
+1
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 Dopo quindici anni l'ha capito: che mente sopraffina che ha!
fino a 2 anni fa comandava Bertinotti...Giordano deve affrontare un
partito che si sta spappolando, e quindi o rimette la barra a sinistra
anzichè andare a omaggiare la signora Almirante come l'anticomunista
Fausto o è fottuto.

 o Turigliatto, diciamola tutta.
Turigliatto non è un delinquente, a differenza degli altri.
E' un idiota politico, a mio avviso.