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Titolo: Le truppe Israeliane che hanno commesso il massacro di Jenin... insegnano agli Americani come combattere a Baghdad

Le divisioni USA che stanno per attaccare Baghdad sono andati ad
addestrarsi...
dai soldati Israeliani responsabili per Jenin.
E poi ci si chiede perche' gli Irakeni e gli Arabi in generale non
vedono
questa guerra di buon occhio.
(Per chi si e' scordato di cio' che e' successo a Jenin, andate
a 
www.apjme.org/jenin.html
   o guardate il film Jenin, Jenin censurato
in Israele)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=391823
The American military has been asking the Israeli army for advice on
fighting inside cities, and studying fighting in the West Bank city of
Jenin last April, unnamed United States and Israeli sources have
confirmed. Reports that US troops trained with Israeli forces for
street-to-street fighting have been denied.
If the US army believes the road to Baghdad lies through Jenin, there
is reason for Iraqi civilians to be concerned. During fighting in the
Jenin refugee camp last April, more than half the Palestinian dead
were civilians. There was compelling evidence that Israeli soldiers
targeted civilians, including Fadwa Jamma, a Palestinian nurse shot
dead as she tried to treat a wounded man. A 14-year-old boy was killed
by Israeli tank-fire in a crowded street after the curfew was lifted.
A Palestinian in a wheelchair was shot dead, and his body was crushed
by an Israeli tank.
Israeli soldiers prevented ambulances from reaching the wounded and
refused the Red Cross access. Using bulldozers, the Israeli army
demolished an entire neighbourhood - home to 800 Palestinian families
- reducing it to dust and rubble.
Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history and strategy at
Jerusalem's internationally respected Hebrew University, has told
reporters that, following his advice to US Marines, the American
military bought nine of the converted bulldozers used in the Jenin
demolitions from Israel.
Professor van Creveld said he gave advice to marines last year in Camp
Lejeune, North Carolina. He said he was questioned about Israeli
tactics in Jenin, and told them the giant D9 bulldozers, manufactured
for civilian use in the US but fitted with armour-plating in Israel,
were among the most useful weapons.
Israeli troops at first found they could not get their tanks and
armoured vehicles into the narrow alleys of the refugee camp, so they
bulldozed wide swaths through houses to get them in.
If the US military intends to use converted D9 bulldozers in Iraqi
cities, there is cause for concern. When reporters got into the Jenin
refugee camp, we found the fronts of houses neatly scythed off so the
insides of the houses were visible from the street, with personal
belongings, sofas, beds, children's toys, hanging precariously from
half-collapsed floors.
Israeli use of the bulldozers has not been limited to clearing the way
for tanks. They have also been used in collective punishment, such as
the destruction of an entire neighbourhood in Jenin after the fighting
ended.
In Nablus last April, eight members of the al-Shubi family were killed
when an Israeli soldier bulldozed their home, burying them alive,
despite shouted warnings from neighbours that they were still inside.
The Israeli military has supplied US forces with video of incursions
by Israeli soldiers into Palestinian cities, said unnamed "security
sources". They added that Israeli officers have given their American
counterparts extensive briefings on Israeli tactics.
One of the tactics identified was the Israeli army's practice of
moving from house to house by knocking holes in connecting walls to
avoid being exposed in the streets, a practice that has wrecked the
homes of thousands of Palestinians.
The Israeli army has also routinely used Palestinian civilians as
human shields to protect them as they advance, a practice that has
continued despite Israeli court rulings forbidding it. There was no
word on whether Israeli officers had briefed American troops on this
tactic.
There were reports in the US and Israel media last November that
American troops had been trained by Israeli instructors in a mock-up
of a Palestinian city inside an army base in Israel. Those reports
have been denied, but an unnamed Israeli source told the Associated
Press that US officers did visit the mocked-up Palestinian city and
attended a briefing on Israeli training methods.
There have also been reports that Palestinians who have fought against
Israeli forces in Jenin and other Palestinian cities during Israeli
offensives last year have telephoned friends and acquaintances in Iraq
to advise them on tactics to use against American and British forces
if street-to-street fighting begins.
There is another lesson to drawn from Jenin. The Palestinians who
defended the city were armed only with assault rifles and crude,
home-made booby-traps and pipe-bombs, against the massively
better-equipped Israeli army.
But they held out for 11 days, and managed to kill 23 Israeli
soldiers, 13 of them in a single ambush. When the Palestinians ran out
of ammunition, they kept fighting and started throwing stones at the
Israeli soldiers. If the much better-equipped Iraqi forces take the
same attitude to defending Baghdad and other cities the battles could
be bloody.

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Drogati di meno

if street-to-street fighting begins.
*LOL*
-Stefano

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Te non capisci un cazzo...  come te lo devo dire che sei troppo stronzo....
così stronzo che se vai al festival dello stronzo arrivi secondo perchè sei
troppo stronzo....  smettila di scrivere che le tue stronzate puzzano peggio
della merda di Bush Cheney e la Condy messi insieme.....  smettila
stronzo....

stronzo....
...se proprio uno con la "merda" in bocca :)))
*LOL*
-Stefano

 dai soldati Israeliani responsabili per Jenin.
Tu lo sai vero che un rapporto di Amnesty International (nota
organizzazione sionista...) ha stabilito che a Jenin non c'e' stato alcun
massacro, ma normali combattimenti tra Israeliani e milizie palestinesi
con un numero di caduti delle due parti piuttosto equilibrato?
Ciao,
 L.
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 combattimenti cessano e non vi e' rischio per il personale civile.
Normale, sopratutto quando le ambulanze della Red Crescent (non Red Cross -
sono mussulmani) palestinese sono famose per portare miliziani, terroristi e
armi ed esplosivi verso i loro obittivi, prima di portare i pazienti verso
l'ospedale.
Mirco

 con un numero di caduti delle due parti piuttosto equilibrato?
No.  Io so che Amnesty International ha accusato Israele di crimini
di guerra a Jenin:
http://www.apjme.org/jenin.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2396071.stm
http://web2.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE151432002?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES%5CISRAEL/OCCUPIED%2BTERRITORIES?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES%5CISRAEL/OCCUPIED%2BTERRITORIES
Ti stai confondendo con un rapporto di Human Rights Watch (usato
estensivamente
dall'ONU).  Quel rapporto, pero', chiede esplicitamente ulteriori
investigazioni da parte di agenzie internazionali (che non furono mai
fatte)
GT

E' vero.  Gli stragisti Palestinesi insegnano agli Iracheni.
E gli stragisti Israeliani insegnano agli Americani.
C'e poco da stare allegri.

 C'e poco da stare allegri.
Certo certo :))
*LOL*
-Stefano

furono mai fatte)
No no. Non si confonde affatto.
-Stefano

 C'e poco da stare allegri.
Gli israeliani e gli americani, non hanno stragisti.
Ma per il resto, hai pienamente ragione.
Ciao
Ad'I

veramente esperti
Certo certo :)
E Pomero ne ha le prove :))
*LOL*
-Stefano

 *LOL*
tu , solo tu . Lo sapevo.
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 tu , solo tu . Lo sapevo.
???????????????
-Stefano