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Titolo: Olmert at J Street insists Abbas is partner for peace

Illusi.  Ci sono voluti 60 anni, ma alla fine la maggior parte degli 
israeliani assomigliano a maisele, il quale, a sua volta, è la copia in 
sedicesimo di Sharon.
 
Con gente simile non vedremo mai una pace in Palestina: solo morte e 
distruzione.
 
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Olmert at J Street insists Abbas is partner for peace
By HILARY LEILA KRIEGER JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDE
03/27/2012 21:32
“No one can say to me after hundreds of hours of discussing peace with 
Abu Mazen that he is not a partner because he doesn’t want peace,” 
Olmert says at J Street annual conference.
Then-Secretary Rice with Abbas and Olmert By Reuters/Oleg Popov
 
WASHINGTON – Former prime minister Ehud Olmert insisted on Monday night 
that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was a partner for 
peace despite years of negotiations between the two men that failed to 
clinch a deal.
 
“No one can say to me after hundreds of hours of discussing peace with 
Abu Mazen that he is not a partner because he doesn’t want peace,” 
Olmert said at the J Street annual conference’s gala dinner, using 
Abbas’s nickname. “He wants peace with Israel and he accepts the 
existence of Israel as Israel declares itself to be. I don’t need Abu 
Mazen to make declarations about the nature of the State of Israel.”
 
The Netanyahu government, which replaced the Kadima-led coalition when 
Olmert was forced out of office on corruption charges three years ago, 
has pushed for Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state to 
demonstrate commitment to the concept of two states for two peoples.
 
Olmert maintained that he knew better than anyone the sincerity of 
Abbas’s desire to make peace, since he had held 36 meetings of several 
hours with him over the course of years.
 
Given the lengthy negotiations and their ultimate failure to reach an 
agreement, which in the past Olmert has said was a result of Abbas not 
accepting the most far-reaching offer Israel had ever made the 
Palestinians, it was somewhat of a departure to hear him speak of the 
Palestinian president’s dedication to peace rather than his role in the 
failed talks.
 
“He is saying the truth here,” Maen Areikat, chief PLO representative to 
the US and an attendee of the J Street gala, told The Jerusalem Post of 
Olmert’s comments that Abbas wants peace. “To come from an Israeli prime 
minister who had the chance to talk and to meet with President Abbas 
like he said 36 times, I think this strengthens the idea that there is a 
genuine Palestinian partner who wants to put an end to this conflict.”
 
In his address, Olmert alluded to some of the parameters that he had 
laid out, including that the lines between the states would be based on 
the 1967 borders with land swaps, that Jerusalem’s Arab neighborhoods 
would go to the Palestinians and that there would be no sovereignty over 
the Old City’s holy sites but rather a five-country administrative body 
comprised of Israel, the US, the PA, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
 
“There is no alternative,” Olmert contended. “One day when we will 
celebrate with the Palestinians, this peace will be identical to what I 
proposed.”
 
He stressed, however, that the imperative for peace was a central 
Israeli interest in order to maintain its Jewish and Democratic 
character and not one that outside groups needed to dictate, a notion 
that runs up against J Street’s call for American guidance on the issue.
 
“I don’t need anyone from America or from anywhere else to tell me what 
I need to do for myself, for my people, for my children, my 
grandchildren and the future people of the State of Israel,” he said.
 
Olmert also speculated that if he was willing to blame only Israel for 
the breakdown in the talks, he might receive a standing ovation from the 
crowd.
 
But he said, “No one should and can relieve the Palestinians of their 
responsibilities. They have responsibilities and they don’t always meet 
their responsibilities and it has to be mentioned if we want to be fair 
to the issue.”
 
Still, Olmert did receive standing ovations at the beginning and 
conclusion of his remarks, his comments overall were extremely 
well-received by audience members, particularly when he told them: “J 
Street is a legitimate organization which cares for the State of Israel, 
which is dedicated to the well-being of the State of Israel.”
 
He added, “If we’re entitled to have disagreements, why are you not 
entitled to have disagreements.”
 
Turning to Iran, Olmert also said that Israel should not lead a strike 
on the Islamic Republic's nuclear facilities.
 
The former prime minister said that "the one that should be leading this 
procedure, choose the means for an attack on Iran, is the president of 
the United States."
 
Olmert added that it was not just a question of whether or not Israel 
should lead an attack, but if it in fact it could. "I'm not sure that 
Israel has the means to lead [a strike on Iran]," he said.
 
In contrast, the Deputy Chief of Mission of Israel’s US embassy, 
received a much cooler reception. Though Barukh Binah was 
enthusiastically welcomed when introduced, his address detailing the 
differences that the Israeli government has with J Street was met 
throughout with silence any only respectful applause at the end.
 
Binah lauded J Street for rejecting the Boycott, Divestment and Sanction 
movement and the group’s support for the US-Israel relationship. But he 
urged the progressive lobby to support the US and Israeli position that 
all options should be on the table for preventing Iran from getting a 
nuclear weapon and warned against the group giving any exposure to those 
who support BDS even if the organization’s leadership doesn’t.
 
“We need you to stand with us,” he said. “It is as simple as that, and 
someone ought to say it. Internal activism is a central part of 
democratic societies, but pressures on the elected government of Israel 
can present us with a problem when … we need you the most.”
 
J Street Executive Director Jeremy Ben-Ami took the stage immediately 
after Binah, and while he thanked the DCM for his participation, he also 
indicated that his organization would not stay silent.
 
"As with all good families, we have our disagreements," he said.
 
"What we have in common is too important for us not to speak and, if 
necessary, to argue," he continued. "That's the Jewish way. It's the 
spirit of our people. It should be part of the relationship between the 
American Jewish community and Israel."
 
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?ID=263689&R=R1
 
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 israeliani assomigliano a maisele
 
sinonimo -dicevo- di pirla, che suggerisci?
 
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 Illusi.  
 
Persio e' talmente bollito, che riesce a credere a Olmert. 

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Non è questione di terminologia, ma di (come dire?) sazietà. Io discuto 
raramente con Persio, proprio perché dice enormità come questa, ma un 
conto è mandare affanculo un interlocutore (o, a 'sto punto, killarlo; 
perché no? mica è vietato dalla legge), un conto è replicare tutti i 
giorni, e per anni (!), il rito del "pirla". Poi, per carità, se ti 
diverte, manco questo è vietato dalla legge (anche se Pascal rampogna il 
divertissement :). Io però mi sarei un po' sfrakatzato las pelotas.
-- 
Namib
 
Nous n'arrivons pas à changer les choses suivant notre désir, mais peu à 
peu notre désir change (M. Proust)

 diverte, manco questo è vietato dalla legge
 
Non esiste alcuna possibilità che possa essere divertente replicare per 
anni la stessa identica formula. Per persone sane di mente, intendo.
 
Che sia divertente è la risposta standard per allontanare la curiosità 
da ipotesi alternative.  A te trovare quali siano queste ipotesi.
 
 
 

 affinché mutasse. E' da allora che sono diventato un "Pirla".
 
Cioe' perche'  pensavi di modificare la politica mediorientale con
alcuni interventi su Usenet? Beh, si' e' una presunzione da pirla.
 

 divertissement :). Io però mi sarei un po' sfrakatzato las pelotas.
 
in effetti, io mi diverto.
 
e credo che anche lui si diverta.
 
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Il 28/03/2012 00:32, maisele ha scritto:
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Suggerisco di consentire la creazione di uno stato palestinese, prima 
che Israele affondi definitivamente.
 
A te personalmente consiglio di uscire dalla modalità "sionista".  Tu 
pensi di difendere lo stato di Israele, invece stai dando il tuo piccolo 
contributo, insieme a tanti altri, a distruggerlo.
 
Questo lo affermo con certezza quasi assoluta, sulla base della realtà 
di fatto e di un'analisi che garantisco praticamente priva di 
incongruenze, di omissioni, di distorsioni.  Prova a fidarti.
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