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Titolo: [haaretz] Verso inchiesta internazionale su Gaza

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Olmert, Peretz back IDF probe into Gaza deaths 
 
By Mazal Mualem and Yuval Azoulay, Haaretz Correspondents, and Haaretz
Service 
 
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz Sunday
threw their support behind the Israel Defense Forces internal probe
which cleared the military of responsibility in the deaths of seven
members of a Palestinian family in an explosion on a Gaza beach
earlier this month.
The statements came as British newspapers questioned the IDF inquiry,
and a senior leftist lawmaker called for an independent international
probe. 
Olmert said Sunday that he believes absolutely in the IDF version of
the events, and has confidence in the IDF probe.
Peretz said that he twice personally examined the conclusions of the
military panel of inquiry. According to Peretz, the investigation was
"very credible," despite the difficulties in carrying it out.
Earlier on Sunday, IDF Spokeswoman Brigadier-General Miri Regev,
reiterating the army's full confidence in its investigation, said that
the army would not oppose an international inquiry if the government
approved such a move.
Peretz emphasized the IDF panel's determination that shrapnel
recovered from the body of a girl killed in the blast was not from a
shell fired from a 155 mm cannon, the artillery guns which the army
was firing at the time.
The panel concluded that the girl may have been hit by explosives
planted by others, an apparent reference to hints from Israeli
intelligence sources that Hamas had placed mines and other booby-traps
on the beach in order to prevent raids by naval commandos. 
Tourism Minister Yitzhak Herzog said Sunday that "We needn't panic"
over criticism of the IDF over the incident. "Today, we are in a much
better world public relations position than we were in the past."
Meretz MK urges int'l probe
On Saturday, Meretz faction leader MK Zahava Gal-On called on the
government to initiate the establishment of an international panel to
investigate the blast that killed seven Palestinian civilians on a
Gaza beach last week. 
Her comments followed a report Saturday in the British newspaper The
Times indicating the army had erased details from its probe into the
Gaza beach deaths.
According to the British newspaper, the IDF deleted from its report
details concerning shelling of the beach by Israel Navy vessels off
the Gaza coast.
Regev categorically rejected the Times report, and related accounts on
other British papers.
"The people of Israel believe the IDF's version, and most of the world
believes the IDF's version," Regev said. "Regrettably, three
newspapers in England don't believe the IDF's version."
She said the Palestinians were behind the British versions. "The
Palestinians' version is much more problematic. It is not based on
facts.
Asked about the possibility of the government agreeing to an
international inquiry, Regev replied "The IDF will have no problem
with any decision taken by the political echelon. The IDF stands
behind its investigation, and we are saying this unequivocally, we did
not harm these innocent people." 
"Everyone loves it when we admit to guilt. But this time, there is no
reason to admit to guilt. The IDF was not responsible for the killing
of the family of innocents on the beach in Gaza."
Regev said the IDF investigation was extremely serious, and had
determined "unequivocally, that the IDF was not the one that killed
those innocents on the beach in Gaza, not from the air, not from the
sea and not from land."
Gal-On said Israel has a "moral responsibility" to determine the true
circumstances of the incident and added that Israel should be a party
to the investigative commission. "Credibility is an asset of utmost
importance and Israel has an interest in maintaining her credibility,"
Gal-On said. 
The Meretz leader also said her demand is based on the most recent
findings released by the press and international human rights groups
according to which the Israel Defense Forces was involved in the
explosion. The Palestinian Authority on Saturday again demanded an
international probe into the incident. 
The IDF Spokespersons Unit said the Times made use of partial
information and added that the quote in its story attributed to an IDF
officer was inaccurate and taken out of context.
The IDF investigation team last week concluded "beyond all doubt" that
the family was not hurt as a result of Israeli shelling. 
The head of the investigation, Major-General Meir Klifi, said late
last week that it is likely the blast stemmed from a bomb placed by
the Palestinians at the site or "some form of unexploded ordnance." He
added that the probe on the latter point was continuing.
According to the Times report, IDF officers admitted that two
artillery shells were fired from a naval vessel between 4:24 P.M. and
4:55 P.M. - around the time the Palestinians were killed. The Times
report maintained this fact was not included in the IDF investigation
into the incident. 
The Times also reported the IDF officers said these shells landed a
large distance from the Gaza beach. 
The IDF last week rejected the possibility that the Palestinians were
hit by shells fired from a navy ship, since shelling in the area only
took place earlier in the day.
According to the Times, the United Nations received a radio call from
one of its officials in northern Gaza at 4:43 P.M.
"At 4:33 P.M. IDF artillery shelling has started again targeting the
northern area, two artillery shells so far. One of the shells fell
down at the coast west of the evacuated old Dugit settlement, some
casualties among the people spending their day at the..." the Times
quoted the report as saying.
Presented with the evidence of the UN transmission, Klifi said the
4:33 P.M. report was an earlier incident, near the abandoned
settlement of Dugit. "[We] know of a request from the Red Cross to the
Red Crescent at 4:30 P.M. regarding one wounded individual along the
beach. [We] believe that that is the case you are referring to,"
Kalifi told the Times. "This is most likely in the Dugit area. Indeed
they were shelling in the Dugit area, but the Dugit area was not near
the incident. It was 700 meters away."
Klifi also said Saturday that a new examination of the scene of the
blast would serve no purpose.
"I know the other [the Palestinian] side and I am aware of the
manipulations of that side. It is possible to plan shrapnel fragments
at the scene. If I could have made it into the field an hour or half
an hour after the incident a few other things could have been
examined," Klifi said. 
Speaking at a press conference in Tel Aviv late last week, in the
presence of Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Chief of Staff Dan
Halutz, Klifi said the IDF's investigation was based on intelligence,
on findings shared by the Palestinians, as well as IDF records of the
site and other materials. 
According to the findings, the lethal blast took place between 4:57
P.M. and 5:10 P.M., nearly five minutes after the last of six
artillery shells landed in an area north of the site of the explosion.
Five of the six shells had predetermined coordinates, while the sixth,
and the first of the series, was found to have landed several hundred
meters north of the site after the firing data was examined. 
Klifi said that "the likelihood [that the shell caused the killing] is
absolutely zero. There is no chance of this." 
"We cannot determine what hit them," Klifi admitted. "We continue to
work on this and we hope we will be able to reach a conclusion soon.
It is possible that it occurred as a result of something [a bomb] that
someone placed, in order to prevent operations by our forces." 
The material was identified as not being in standard IDF usage.
 
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 Su iniziativa interna di Meretz.
*ROTFL*
Continua a sognare :)
-Stefano

 Su iniziativa interna di Meretz.
Interna a cosa?
Tb
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luca logi > >Non so. Immagina che qualcuno scriva giudeoquesturino,
luca logi > > ti riterresti lusingato?
sergio > sarebbe di sicuro espressione di antisemitismo per i vari
tonigoebbels.

Interna a cosa?
Alla Knesset
MMAX
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 Alla Knesset
E il Meretz ha il 50% del parlamento israeliano? :)  Perche' in caso
contrario sara' dura andare "verso inchiesta internazionale" :)
-Stefano

contrario sara' dura andare "verso inchiesta internazionale" :)
Vedremo, ma anche Labor a seguire ha raccolto la proposta e IDF ha
accettato la verifica del loro rapporto sui fatti.
Direi che ci sono delle buone possibilità.
Certo poi bisognerebbe capire che tipo di commissione possa essere di
garanzia per tutti.
Tu che proponi?
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Direi che ci sono delle buone possibilitą.
Certo, certo... :)
*pat pat*
-Stefano

*pat pat*
Ma tu sei favorevole o contrario?
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per cui il giorno in cui avviene,
Il giorno in cui avviene ... COSA?
Meretz = Israele?
Stai tentando di fare una simile uguaglianza?
-Stefano

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Ah ok, capisco.
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 Ah ok, capisco.
Ossimoro.
-Stefano

Ossimoro.
LOL!
Stefano sei una meraviglia...
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Stefano sei una meraviglia...
Certo, certo...
*pat pat
-Stefano

*pat pat
Mandami un bacino, dai.
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Mandami un bacino, dai.
Mi dispiace ma non sono gay come te.
-Stefano

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Eppure pensavamo che tu fossi tra i 'soggetti che rivendicano 
l'allargamento dei diritti di cittadinanza... producendo una domanda di 
inclusione" secondo la vulgata del nostro Presidente Bertinotti.
Ci dispiace per te.
Tocca chiedere a Bertie se la cosa si applica anche ai mononeuroni 
semplici.
Am.

Eppure pensavamo
Ossimoro :)
-Stefano

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Noi tutti? Ti stai allargando, Nerone...
Am.

Noi tutti?
Guardati allo specchio e avrai visto i "Noi tutti" che "pensavamo" :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

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Ma che c'entra..un bacino affettuoso e virile.
Dai manda bacino.
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Ma ...
Ripeto: non sono gay come te.  Cerca altrove.
-Stefano

Ripeto: non sono gay come te.  Cerca altrove.
Tu mi vuoi far innamorare, confessa.
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Tu
Vai da Whip che magari ricambia.
-Stefano

E tu un coglione che alimenta i followup di quell'altro coglione.
No, no Pa'..sono sicuro che sotto, sotto SdC è uno dei nostri.
E glielo faremo capire...
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 sono sicuro che sotto, sotto SdC è uno dei nostri.
PLONK
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sono sicuro che sotto, sotto SdC è uno dei nostri -- MMAX, in IFQ+IPI

PLONK
Non capisco perchè vuoi escludere Stefano dalla nostra community gay.
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