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Titolo: U.S. Says Detained Iraqi Women Were Not Held Hostage (Reuters)

Altra bella storia circa le responsabilita' del corpo di spedizione 
americano in Irak.
Da notare il secondo articolo: 'U.S. Military Drafts New Detainee 
Operations Rules' che cerca di dare un quadro legale alle azioni del 
corpo di spedizione americano in Irak, senza veramente accettare le 
Convenzioni di Ginevra.
Am.
U.S. Says Detained Iraqi Women Were Not Held Hostage
Fri Apr 8, 9:11 AM ET
 Top Stories - Reuters
By Michael Georgy 
BAGHDAD (Reuters) -  The U.S. military said on Friday two Iraqi women 
detained for six days had been held on suspicion of complicity in 
insurgent attacks, not used as hostages to pressure fugitive male 
relatives to surrender. 
 "U.S. forces do not take hostages, nor do we participate in blackmail 
activities," Lieutenant Colonel Clifford Kent, spokesman for the 3rd 
Infantry Division, said in a statement.
 The women, 60-year-old Salima al-Batawi and her daughter Aliya, were 
arrested by U.S. troops and Iraqi police last Saturday and were released 
by U.S. forces Thursday.
 "We strongly believed they had both direct and indirect knowledge of 
the planning and coordination of attacks against Iraqi security forces 
and coalition forces," Kent said.
 "Sources told us the women were present during meetings to plan attacks 
against coalition forces and that they had knowledge of terror cell 
leaders and the location of weapons caches in the area."
 The two women told Reuters Friday that soldiers had informed them they 
would be detained until they revealed the whereabouts of male relative 
suspected of insurgent attacks, or until the wanted male relatives 
turned themselves in.
 Arkan Mukhlif al-Batawi, the son of Salima and brother of Aliya, told 
Reuters Tuesday that the women were being held to pressure him and his 
brothers Muhammad and Saddam to surrender.
 A handwritten note in Arabic left at the Batawi house after the women 
were arrested and seen by Reuters reporters who went to the site read: 
"Be a man Muhammad Mukhlif and give yourself up and then we will release 
your sisters. Otherwise they will spend a long time in detention."
 The note was signed "Bandit 6," apparently a U.S. military code, and 
included a mobile phone number. When Reuters called the number, it was 
answered by U.S. soldiers.
 Neighbors of the Batawis also said soldiers had told them through an 
interpreter that the women would be freed once the brothers turned 
themselves in for questioning.
 One of the brothers, Saddam, denounced U.S. soldiers for detaining his 
mother and sister. "Is this humanity? Blindfolding women and handcuffing 
them," he said. "Would the Americans like people to do this to their 
women?"
 INVESTIGATION
 The U.S. military said it was investigating the accusations.
 "It is our policy to aggressively investigate any allegation of 
misconduct by our soldiers," Kent said. "It is not an indication of 
anyone's guilt or innocence; it is merely our standard procedures for 
determining the truth of the situation."
 Salima said U.S. troops in 30 Humvee vehicles showed up at their house 
just north of Baghdad at dawn last Saturday. One of them asked her for 
the whereabouts of one of her sons.
 "I told him I would not give him the information because my three sons 
had already been detained by the Americans for a year and they were 
innocent. They said we would be detained until my son surrenders," she 
said.
 "I told the Americans they could shoot me and jail my son if there was 
evidence of his guilt. I told him to bring whoever was spreading these 
lies to stand before me and prove it."
 Salima said she and her daughter were then blindfolded and handcuffed 
and driven to a U.S. base.
 The women said they were treated well at the U.S. base.
 "They carried out a professional investigation. They treated us with 
respect. We found beds with clean sheets and copies of the Koran and 
bottles of water in a big room," Salima said.
 Amnesty International says arresting civilians to pressure their 
relatives to surrender would be in breach of international law. The U.S. 
military says it only detains those suspected of illegal activities.
U.S. Military Drafts New Detainee Operations Rules
 33 minutes ago
 Politics - Reuters
By Will Dunham 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -  The U.S. military has drafted new doctrine for 
prison operations that aims to fix problems that contributed to abuse in 
Iraq, but rights groups complain it formalizes a category of detainees 
who are denied Geneva Conventions protections. 
 The document sets out for the first time doctrine for wartime detention 
operations for all branches of the U.S. military, Air Force Lt. Col. 
John Skinner, a Pentagon spokesman, said Friday. Until now, doctrine 
largely has been set by the Army.
 It also formalizes for the first time the military's ability to hold 
some detainees as "enemy combatants" -- a classification not contained 
in the Geneva Conventions spelling out the rights of prisoners of war.
 The United States has said that category of detainees is not entitled 
to rights normally accorded to POWs.
 The document comes a year after the military was rocked by the Abu 
Ghraib scandal in which U.S. forces physically abused and sexually 
humiliated prisoners at the prison on the outskirts of Baghdad, and 
other instances of detainee abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 The guidelines aim to provide a clear command structure for detention 
operations -- U.S. military police and military intelligence personnel 
squabbled at Abu Ghraib, contributing to a chaotic environment -- and 
clarify rules for U.S. personnel.
 The document, prepared by the office of Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman 
Gen. Richard Myers, is being reviewed within the Pentagon and by the 
various branches of the U.S. military, and is expected to be finalized 
sometime this fall, Skinner said.
 ENEMY COMBATANTS
 In establishing a detainee category of "enemy combatant," the document 
stated, "Although they do not fall under the provisions of the Geneva 
Convention, they are still entitled to be treated humanely, subject to 
military necessity, consistent with the principles of GC (Geneva 
Conventions)."
 The document stated that "anyone detained" who is affiliated with 
organizations on a U.S. government list of "terrorist" groups would be 
classified as an enemy combatant.
 The United States has designated as enemy combatants numerous detainees 
accused of ties to al Qaeda and the Taliban, hundreds of whom have been 
held at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
 At least one prisoner caught in Iraq -- a Kuwaiti-born naturalized U.S. 
citizen the Pentagon has refused to identify -- also has been declared 
an enemy combatant.
 "This extension to any terrorist group -- from the Shining Path in Peru 
to Sikh groups in India to the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka to the Real 
Irish Republican Army in Northern Ireland -- is a radical extension of 
the doctrine," Human Rights Watch military affairs researcher John 
Sifton said.
 Sifton also noted the document specified that humane treatment of 
detainees could be limited by "military necessity," which he said ran 
contrary to international and U.S. law and opened the door to possible 
abuse of detainees.
 Skinner emphasized that it was a draft document, adding, "Don't assume 
that there aren't things in here that won't change." He was not more 
specific.
 "Our commitment to humane treatment has always been rock solid. I think 
this draft doctrine to a certain extent is a reflection of that," 
Skinner said.
 Skinner noted the Army was separately reviewing its detention policies, 
including setting parameters for how certain interrogation techniques 
could be used.

classified as an enemy combatant.
Doverosa classificazione.
-Stefano

 -Stefano
Visto che e' tutto doveroso che commenti a fa'?
Puoi dormire tra due guanciali, anche stanotte la mezzaluna tramonta 
tranquilla sull'Eufrate e il bue e l'asino sbadigliano...
Am.

 Visto che e' tutto doveroso che commenti a fa'?
Perche' non dovrei commentare qualcosa che ritengo doveroso?
Taglio il resto delle tue solite puttanate che tiri fuori quando non hai
argomenti a sostegno.
-Stefano

 argomenti a sostegno.
Puttanate?  Io ho solo copiaincollato  due articoli della Reuters, che 
tu hai trovato intressanti al punto di commentarli.
Di':
- Trovi doveroso rapire femmine, per ricattare il nemico?
- Non trattare il nemico come prigioniero di guerra, secondo le 
Convenzioni di Ginevra durante certe operazioni militari?
Ti vuoi chiamare fuori dalle regole della Civilta' Occidentale?
Se e' cosi', dillo, e non se ne parla piu'...
Am.

Ti vuoi chiamare fuori dalle regole della Civilta' Occidentale?
...disse il bue all'asino... :)
-Stefano

 -Stefano
Rifletti, ti stai prendendo una grave responsabilita'...
Am.

 Rifletti, ti stai prendendo una grave responsabilita'...
...disse il bue all'asino... :)
Invece ci vuoi dire chi ha scritto questo nel tuo post visto che tu hai
***SOLO CITATO*** due articoli della Reuters? :)
*LOL*
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Altra bella storia circa le responsabilita' del corpo di spedizione 
americano in Irak.
Da notare il secondo articolo: 'U.S. Military Drafts New Detainee 
Operations Rules' che cerca di dare un quadro legale alle azioni del 
corpo di spedizione americano in Irak, senza veramente accettare le 
Convenzioni di Ginevra.
Am.
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Alla prossima fessacchiotto :)
-Stefano

 Convenzioni di Ginevra.
Ho tradotto male? Oppure la menano ancora sugli enemy combatants non 
Ginevrabili a seconda di cio' che conviene alle operazioni militari USA?
Bada! Ti stai chiamando fuori dalla Civilta' Occidentale!
 Duemila anni ti guardano, come disse Napoleone alle Piramidi.
Am.

Duemila anni ti guardano, come disse Napoleone alle Piramidi.
...disse il bue all'asino... :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 
Confermo, machettefrega, bue e asino rifatto! Arrostirai in Inferno!
Si stupra la dignita' di un paese e tu vai ancora cincischiando. Sei di 
nuovo in odor di gogna, cazzaro!
Am.

Sei di nuovo in odor di gogna, cazzaro!
Il cazzaro sei tu :)  Non per niente a parte gli slogan non sai portare
un ca**o di nulla a sostegno degli stessi :)
Alla tua prossima e ennesima figura di merda caro Amalric Bond aka
Zupperman :)
-Stefano

 -Stefano:
Gnegnegne'.
Am.

 Gnegnegne'.
*LOL*
Che altro aspettarsi come risposta da Amalric Bond aka Zupperman :)
-Stefano


Lascialo. Ha la sindrome dell'ultima parola.
Ciao

 Lascialo. Ha la sindrome dell'ultima parola.
...disse il bue all'asino... :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 applichi tale convenzione.
<logica di SdC ON>
La convenzione di Ginevra non contiene neanche la categoria "negri".
Ergo, la convenzione di Ginevra non si applica ai prigionieri negri.
<logica di SdC OFF>

 <logica di SdC OFF>
No. Quella e' la logica di quel fesso di Torrieri. Non certo la mia :)
-Stefano

Non so se ne parlano in Italia, ma in Canada siamo in mezzo a una crisi
politica che potrebbe sfociare nella caduta di questo governo, e ha
gia' dato luogo a diversi arresti "eccellenti".
Praticamente, importanti organizzazioni pubblicitarie hanno dato
bustarelle miliardarie al partito liberale (al governo) in cambio di
contratti pubblicitari governativi  (specialmente durante la campagna
di secessione del Quebec, quando i liberali facevano campagna per il
no).
La scusa dei liberali:
Si, rubavamo,ma per la partria, per l'unita' del Canada, mica per scopi
personali.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Canadian_sponsorship_scandal