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Titolo: Il re e' nudo!

Negli USA, le Lobby filo-Israeliane stanno facendo lobbying per una
guerra contro l'Iran.
E' una cosa risaputa, e anche ammessa apertamente.
Allora perche' Wesley Clark deve scusarsi per averla detta?   Come mai
l'esistenza di questo Lobbying (ammesso apertamente, come abbiamo visto
in articoli che sono stati postati qui' su ipi) viene chiamato
"conspiracy theory"?      E come mai questa posizione viene
deliberatamente distorta da "la Lobby filo-Israeliana vuole la guerra"
(lapalissiano) a "la comunita' Ebraica vuole la guerra"?  (Una falsita'
razzista.  La maggioranza degli Ebrei negli USA sono contro
un'Escalation contro l'Iran ed erano contro la guerra in Iraq).
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=13527&print=yes
Gen. Clark?s Controversy
Presidential contender?s comments about Israel lobby lead to fears
that ?conspiracy theories? are going mainstream.
James D. Besser - Washington Correspondent
Clark: Hints that ?pressure? for war against Iran was ?being
channeled from the New York money people to office seekers.? Getty
Images
After suggesting that Israel is pushing the United States into a war
with Iran, Wesley Clark, the retired general and contender for the 2004
Democratic presidential nomination, moved quickly this week to snuff
out a fast-moving controversy that threatened to set back his rumored
2008 campaign before it formally started.
On Tuesday Clark, responding to an angry call from Anti-Defamation
League Director Abraham Foxman, issued a statement expressing his
opposition to ?conspiracy theories? about the war in Iraq.
Still, the controversy was already providing fresh ammunition for
Jewish Republicans ?and worrying Jewish leaders who fear that the war
in Iraq and the confrontation with Iran are resulting in the spread of
conspiracy theories about Jewish influence beyond a radical fringe.
In her online column last week, blogger Arianna Huffington reported on
an encounter with Clark at a brunch preceding the swearing in of Rep.
Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) as House speaker.
Clark, she reported, was ?really angry? about a column suggesting
that former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was ?leading
the charge? in lobbying for U.S. air strikes against Iran in 2007.
Clark, who advocates negotiations with Iran, expressed concern about
what he believes is an administration plan to take military action
against that country?s nuclear facilities.
When asked how he knew the administration was planning an attack, he
said this: ?You just have to read what?s in the Israeli press. The
Jewish community is divided but there is so much pressure being
channeled from the New York money people to the office seekers.?
That set off alarms in Jewish groups across the country.
Foxman, after a conversation with Clark this week, said the retired
general ?didn?t deny that he said it, but said it wasn?t what he
meant.?
The ADL leader told Clark that he had ?bought into conspiratorial
bigotry? that increasingly sees Israel, Jews and American Jewish
organizations as the driving force behind U.S. involvement in Iraq and
Iran.
Foxman said Clark?s comments are particularly worrisome because of
the context, coming in the wake of charges by former President Jimmy
Carter that Jewish groups are stifling debate over U.S. Mideast policy
and a book by former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, who accused
Israel of pushing for war with Iran.
And they come as the critique of the pro-Israel lobby by two respected
foreign policy scholars, who claim that the lobby pressed for war with
Iraq, gains traction in academic circles.
?While we know [Clark] is a good friend of Israel and is not an
anti-Semite, he still engaged in inappropriate language by talking
about how Israel and Jewish money will move this country to war on
Iran,? Foxman said. ?At a time when Jews are being accused of
bringing about the war in Iraq, that?s very disturbing. We know this
is not the real Clark ? but he said it. We?re worried because these
ideas seem to be moving into the mainstream. It?s not just David Duke
anymore.?
The Republican Jewish Coalition ? which ran ads during last year?s
congressional contests arguing that the Democrats, influenced by the
likes of Carter, are increasingly hostile to Israel ? quickly put a
partisan spin on the controversy.
?This is another sign that the veiled and not so veiled anti-Semitic
sentiments that are rampant in the left-wing blogosphere are seeping
into the ?mainstream? of Democrats? political discourse,? said
Matthew Brooks, the group?s director.

a "la comunita' Ebraica vuole la guerra"?
Distorta????
http://opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110009486
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When we asked him what made him so sure the Bush administration was
headed in this direction, he replied: "You just have to read what's in
the Israeli press. The Jewish community is divided but there is so much
pressure being channeled from the New York money people to the office
seekers."
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THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
Cosa ci sarebbe da "distorcere" caro fessacchiotto di un Torrieri?
-Stefano

 "conspiracy theory"?  
Al solito non hai capito una sega, o fingi di non capire una sega.
Non è il lobbying, che è un'attività evidente e chiara, che viene chiamato 
"conspiracy theory".
La conspiracy theory è l'idea demente che un paese come gli USA si faccia 
dirigere la politica estera  a baccchetta da un paese di sei milioni di 
abitanti, che semmai è un alleato fin troppo subalterno.
O più che conspiracy theory (che è ancora un'altra cosa), questa idea è la 
solita cazzata antisemita degli ebrei che dirigono il mondo e che a causa dei 
tuoi ben noti scompensi ti ossessiona in permanenza, giorno e notte.
Forse gli USA bombarderanno l'Iran, forse no. Io spero che il programma nucleare 
venga fermato da sanzioni durissime e credibili minacce di aggressione militare.
Se non sarà così, spero che venga fermato dalla bunkerbusters.
Ma in ogni caso, se gli USA decideranno di fermarlo lo faranno perché è loro 
interesse farlo. Un interesse che converge con quello di chi è minacciato 
dall'atomica di un regime ferocemente antisemita e che fa della distruzione di 
israele un obiettivo messianico. Ma loro interesse resta.
Tb
-- 
[Tb] :
Il dovere di un comunista sarebbe quello di formare un cordone sanitario
attorno alla feccia nazi
[.sergio.]
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 erano contro la guerra in Iraq.
come Sharon, peraltro.
http://www.forward.com/articles/sharon-warned-bush/

 
http://www.forward.com/articles/sharon-warned-bush/
Molto interessante.  Mi ricorda il detto di Kennedy, una vittoria ha
mille padri mentre la sconfitta e' sempre orfana.
L'opinione del governo Israeliano della guerra ai tempi di Sharon:
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/18/world/main519037.shtml
JERUSALEM, Aug. 16, 2002
Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against
Iraq's Saddam Hussein, an aide to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said
Friday.
Israeli intelligence officials have gathered evidence that Iraq is
speeding up efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, said
Sharon aide Ranaan Gissin.
"Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no
purpose," Gissin said. "It will only give him (Saddam) more of an
opportunity to accelerate his program of weapons of mass destruction."
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L'opinione del governo Israeliano dopo Sharon:
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http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-11-22T201536Z_01_L22136236_RTRUKOC_0_US-ISRAEL-USA-IRAQ.xml
ERUSALEM (Reuters) - The Iraq war was a boon for Israel's security,
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Wednesday, voicing fresh
endorsement for a Bush administration sapped by the unpopularity at
home of its Middle East policies.
....
"I know all of his (Bush's) policies are controversial in America.
There are some who support his policies in the Middle East,
particularly in Iraq, and some who do not," he said.
"I stand with the president because I know that Iraq without Saddam
Hussein is so much better for the security and safety of Israel, and
all of the neighbors of Israel without any significance to us," added
Olmert, who was speaking in English.
"Thank God for the power and the determination and leadership
manifested by President Bush."
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 interesse farlo.
Davvero?  Il taglialegna del Minnesota e il rancher dell'Arizona sono
minacciati dalla centrale di Ishfahan?
GT

minacciati dalla centrale di Ishfahan?
Si, se tale centrale produce uranio arricchito che viene poi usato per
un ordigno atomico che puo' essere dato nelle mani di gruppi terroristi
che possono poi portarlo in USA e farlo esplodere sul suolo americano.
-Stefano

 rappresentano solo se stessi.
ROTFL, peggio.
Devono essere estremamente abili... quei quattro pirla che non contano una sega 
che dirigono la politica USA.
Idea demente e cospirativa rimane. Fai ridere.
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 Si
Ah, non ero arrivato fin qua.
Tipica propaganda della destra isolazionista e antisemita alla Lindberg e alla 
David Duke.
Non credo servano ulteriori commenti, ma dirò un paio di tehillim anche per 
questo disturbato.
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According to both sources, Sharon warned Bush that if he insisted on occupying Iraq, he should at >least abandon his plan to implant democracy in this part of the world. "In terms of culture and >tradition, the Arab world is not built for democratization," Ayalon recalls Sharon advising.
Vorrei vedere la reazione se qualcuno che direbbe la stessa cosa sugli
Ebrei.
GT