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Titolo: Americano multato 10,000 dollari per aver portato medicine in Irak

E non certo da Saddam Hussein
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Voices in the Wilderness
A Campaign to End the Economic Sanctions Against the People
of Iraq
Press Release
For Immediate Release
Contact:  Kathy Kelly  
773-447-3964
June 11, 2002
Voices in the Wilderness 
773-784-8065
 
American fined $10,000 for admitting to bringing medicines
to Iraq
Press Conference to be held at 10:00 am, Monday, June 17,
2002 at the National Press Club, Zanger Room, 13th floor,
529 14th Street NW, Washington, DC
Washington, DC--Seattle resident Bert Sacks, the first
American to be fined by the Office of Foreign Assets Control
(OFAC) for his admission that he brought medicines to Iraq,
will hold a press conference on June 17, 2002 to display
samples of medicines he has carried to Iraq and announce his
intent to continue nonviolently resisting the UN/US economic
sanctions against Iraq.
In what appears to be the first case of its kind, OFAC has
imposed a $10,000 fine on Bert Sacks. Sacks says he will not
pay the fine and will elaborate on his reasons at the Press
Conference. June 17 marks the last working day within the 30
day period which the US Treasury Department and OFAC have
allotted as a response time before they will attempt
collection and add penalties.
Mr. Sacks traveled to Iraq with a delegation of four from
the Chicago-based group Voices in the Wilderness.  In
December 1998, the Treasury's OFAC threatened the entire
group with fines totaling $163,000.  However, this is the
first time an actual fine has been imposed, and only on Mr.
Sacks.
Returning in late May from his eighth trip to Iraq, Bert
Sacks explained his position: "I have seen the children of
Basra, ill and dying because of unsafe water.  How can I ask
the government which deliberately bombed civilian
infrastructure during the Gulf War -- knowing it would
create conditions of unsafe water and doing so as a tool of
coercion -- how can I ask this government for permission to
bring medicines to those still in need?"
Kathy Kelly, co-founder of the group Voices in the
Wilderness, will attend the Press Conference. She says, from
her many trips to Iraq, that the sanctions regime represents
one of the greatest injustices of our time, having brought
starvation and disease to millions of innocent Iraqis.  The
recent UN Security Council Resolution endorsing so called
'smart sanctions' won't solve the economic and social
catastrophe facing ordinary Iraqi citizens," said Kelly,
describing it instead as a grim perpetuation of a failed
policy. "We will continue resisting economic warfare by
sending delegations to Iraq and, if need be, taking up
residence in Iraq in advance of and during any new massive
military assault against Iraqi civilians."
Peter Lems, of the American Friends Service Committee, will
have returned from Iraq days earlier. He is expected to
attend the Press Conference and speak of what he has just
seen on his fact-finding trip.
All three cite the paper from the U.N. Subcommision on Human
Rights: "The sanctions regime against Iraq is unequivocally
illegal under existing international humanitarian law and
human rights law. Some would go as far as making a charge of
genocide."  Bert Sacks says, "Given this finding, I am
morally and legally obligated NOT to obey U.S. laws which
violate international law."  He also notes, "If I'd received
a $100 traffic ticket, I'd be entitled to a hearing before a
judge, but with this fine of $10,000, I am not."

 
Americano multato per aver violato un embargo del suo governo senza
richiedere l'autorizzazione.
Piu' che giusto.
-Stefano

, 
dece...@interfree.it
 
says...
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Ha fatto proficui affari con militari del regime o ha portato medicinali 
che hanno salvato le vite di parecchi innocenti?
Perché, vedi, c'e' una bella differenza... 
-- 
Quella notte i radar non videro nulla sul cielo di Ustica.
Solo stelle, solo strisce (LK)

 Perché, vedi, c'e' una bella differenza...
No, non c'e' differenza per la legge.
-Stefano

, 
dece...@interfree.it
 
says...

Ma si stava parlando di giudizi personali: tu hai definito il fatto "piů 
che giusto"!!! 
-- 
Ban the bomb.  Save the world for conventional warfare.

"più che giusto"!!!
Legalmente parlando, visto che parlavo di aver violato un embargo,
venendo quindi sottoposto alle leggi al riguardo.
La sanzione e' quindi legalmente "piu' che giusta".  E se mi sai
dimostrare il contrario fai pure.
Moralmente?  Moralmente la ritengo piu' che giusta.  Non l'ha fatto per
salvare qualcuno ma solo per fare un dispetto al governo USA e farsi
pubblicita'.
L'articolo parla chiaro a questo riguardo.
-Stefano

 L'articolo parla chiaro a questo riguardo.
Questa è la ***tua*** interpretazione dei fatti...
Evidentemente non riesci a riconoscere che l'embargo danneggia solo la 
popolazione innocente, e non i membri del regime... E che non appena ci 
sono i soldi di mezzo lo zio Sam si scorda dei diritti civili: pensa 
alla Cina, dove diritti e libertà non sanno nemmeno cosa siano; lo zio 
Sam se ne sbatte altamente finché le multinazionali USA faranno 
affari...
-- 
In the western world there are only two comical things, the Christian 
Church and naked women ... Everything else tells us we are dead. (John 
Updike)

affari...
Se lo dici tu...
-Stefano


Dear Friends, 
Below is an article that Bert Sacks, of Seattle, WA, recently wrote.  
Bert
traveled with the November '96 delegation and returned to Iraq again in
November '97.  Please feel free to use any or all of it for education,
outreach and publication.
The International Action Center has managed to pull together visas, 
flights,
press packets and 80 very determined people to travel, May 6, as the 
Iraq
Sanctions Challenge.  Lets hope this concerted effort, led by Bishop Tom
Gumbleton and former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark,  can dent US 
public
awareness - bringing home to cities and towns across the US reports and
images of what's happened to Iraqis under 7 1/2 years of  siege. 
It may be that the US state department was very keen to swiftly organize 
the
Americares humanitarian shipment which flew into Iraq last week with 32 
tons
of medicines--a shipment like that helps offset reports of civilian
suffering with an impression that the US is doing its best to alleviate
misery. 
The message of Americares -- nonpolitical concern for the suffering in 
Iraq
coupled with support for continued sanctions -- misses the boat.  We 
feel
sure the answer continues to be, "End the sanctions," yet who would deny 
the
overwhelming need for every oz. of the medicine Americares took in.  
I'll leave today for Amman, along with three of International Action
Center's workers, to assist with advance work for the Iraq Sanctions
Challenge delegation.  Brad Simpson, Soyun Kim and Mike Bremer will 
'hold
the fort' here in Chicago--please do let them know if you have any 
ideas,
questions or suggestions for us.  And please forgive me if you've 
written
lately and haven't gotten a response.  Hope to catch up in late May.
Sincerely,
Kathy Kelly
for Voices in the Wilderness 
500,000 Iraqi Children Have Died: "Oh My God!"
by Bert Sacks  Seattle, WA  
206-548-9566
  (Bert is a civil engineer who 
has
traveled to Iraq two times, with Voices in the Wilderness, most recently 
in
November, 1997). 
I recently returned from several weeks traveling on the East Coast,
speaking to people about what I had seen in Iraq in 1996 and 1997.  I 
would
call up the State Department or Thomas Friedman's office in Washington, 
DC,
or PBS's Frontline office in Boston, and start trying, with a secretary, 
to
"talk my way in."  Fairly soon on I would ask that secretary the 
question:
By the way, do you know how many children have died in Iraq since the 
start
of sanctions?  None of the secretaries knew the answer.  I would tell 
them
500,000 Iraqi children have died from sanctions.  The spontaneous 
reaction I
got several times, and the one I most hoped for, was "Oh, my God!"
If I heard "Oh, my God," or something similar, then I knew the person 
would
be sympathetic.  Most people are startled to hear that 500,000 pre-
school
children --- and a million civilians --- have died in Iraq.  People 
aren't
surprised that in Cambodia or Rwanda a million civilians have died.  But 
in
Iraq mostly we've been told that civilians are "suffering hardships."  
When
people hear the number of Iraqi deaths for the first time, no one has 
every
said to me: It can't be, because I follow the news and would know of it.
People recognize immediately that what has been going on is a major news
misrepresentation.
The New York Times of March 22, 1991, a few weeks after the end of the 
Gulf
War, presents this misrepresentation just as it was about to start.  The
lead story, "U.N. Survey Calls Iraq's War Damage Near-Apocalyptic," 
covers
the first report on Iraq after the war.  That UN report concludes: "It 
is
unmistakable that the Iraqi people may soon face a famine [and 
epidemics] if
massive aid life-supporting needs are not rapidly met.  Time is short."  
The
same story presents the U.S. administration view that "by making life
uncomfortable for the Iraqi people it [sanctions] would eventually 
encourage
them to remove President Saddam Hussein from power."
In the years since then, the U.S. view (using famine and epidemic while
calling it "making life uncomfortable") has deeply biased Western 
opinion
and reporting.  Initially, there was important news coverage of the 
famine
and epidemics that were predicted.  PBS' Frontline did an hour-long 
program,
"The War We Left Behind," in which Pentagon war strategist Colonel John
Warden explains that we bombed the electrical plants (and water works) 
of
Iraq to create "long-term leverage."  The program then showed the 
results:
no clean water, sewage in the streets, and many, many children dying 
from
epidemics of water borne diseases.  But by the time the first scientific
study appeared in The New England Journal of Medicine (9/24/92), despite 
a
reported "excess" of 46,900 Iraqi children's deaths in the first eight
months of 1991, the story was no longer "news."  By 1996, Frontline's
four-hour program on the fifth anniversary of the war made no mention of
deaths from sanctions at all.
After 1991, the misrepresentation hinted at in the New York Times story 
had
pretty much taken hold.  Sanctions, which UN data indicate cause 50,000 
to
100,000 Iraqi children's deaths every year, are regularly described in 
our
media as causing "suffering" or "hardships."  The reason behind this
misrepresentation is clear.  For years we said we've been using 
sanctions to
try to overthrow Saddam Hussein or to force him to reveal his weapons
programs.  In both cases, we openly admit we are using sanctions to 
coerce
the Iraqi people or the Iraqi government.  If we initiated and now 
maintain
sanctions (with our UN veto), how can anyone believe we don't have
responsibility for their consequences?
Yet some influential people say just this.  A. M. Rosenthal's opinion 
piece
in The Seattle P-I (12/9/97) begins: "For seven years Saddam Hussein has
murdered Iraqi children, thousands."  Can Mr. Rosenthal not know that
100,000's of Iraqi children have died?  He wrote there have never been
sanctions on medicines.  I have a letter from Mr. David Harmon of the 
U.S.
Treasury Department warning the group I travel with of 12-year jail
penalties and a $1 million fine for bringing the most basic medicines to
Iraq.  Mr. Rosenthal implies (and President Bush repeatedly said) that 
we
don't intend harm to the Iraqi people.  I have asked State Department
spokesperson Andrew Steinfeld why --- if we intend no harm --- we 
support
ANY limit on the sale of oil in the "oil for food" deal.  All purchases 
are
completely controlled by the UN.  Current limits have left 960,000 Iraqi
children chronically malnourished (UNICEF, 11/26/97).  He had no answer!
It is sad to conclude that we withhold food, medicine, and safe water 
from
civilians to coerce Iraq.  Whatever we say about the morality of the 
Iraqi
government, how does that make OUR policy moral?  Or practical?
What can be done?  UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's trip to Iraq and 
the
world's wonderful response to his diplomatic success gives us a 
direction.
The Chicago Tribune ran a front-page story (3/16/98) which contains the
advice "lift the sanctions because the punishment cannot go on" and 
"deal
with Hussein as UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has done."  When the 
world
so supported Kofi Annan's success, everyone knew that forcing our will 
with
military strikes would be unacceptable.
The world's opposition to our "tough" policy towards Iraq should give us
cause to rethink.  But if we don't rethink with honesty, we'll be lost.
This means not calling a million deaths in Cambodia or Rwanda "murder," 
but
in Iraq "hardships."  This means not falsifying our own intentions.  
This
means remembering that 20 million people live in Iraq, not just one.  
This
means not demonizing our "enemy" when it suits us, and ignoring the same
behavior when that suits us.  Without honesty we are lost.  We are very 
lost
in our foreign policy towards the people of Iraq.
Voices in the Wildernss
A Campaign to End the US/UN Economic Sanctions Against the People of 
Iraq
1460 West Carmen Ave.
Chicago, IL 60640
ph:
773-784-8065
; f: 
773-784-8837
email: 
kke...@igc.apc.org
 
-- 
Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface. 

, 
luno...@hotmail.com
 says...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0618-01.htm
Published on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 in the Seattle Post Intelligencer
U.S. Vows to Prosecute on Iraq Sanctions; Sacks Says He Won't Pay
by Charles Pope
 
WASHINGTON -- The Treasury Department yesterday vowed to aggressively 
prosecute people who violate economic sanctions against Iraq despite 
complaints that the embargo isn't working and that it's causing deep 
suffering among children.
"The Treasury Department has to enforce the law of the land, period," a 
spokesman said.
Also See:
The U.S. vs. Bert Sacks' Principles on Iraq; Seattle Man Won't Pay Fine 
for Taking Medicines There
Seattle Post Intelligencer 6/ 17/02
$10,000 Fine for Taking Medicine to Children
Institute for Public Accuracy News Release 6/ 17/02
Declarations 2002: Companions Challenging Economic Sanctions Against 
Iraq
Voices in the Wilderness
"We don't do that selectively."
The tough talk came on the same day that Bert Sacks refused to pay a 
$10,000 fine for
violating economic sanctions during a 1997 trip.
"I will not pay the fine," Sacks, 60, a retired Seattle engineer said at 
a news conference here. Yesterday was the deadline imposed by the 
Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control for Sacks to pay 
the fine.
The case stems from a 1997 trip Sacks and four other activists took to 
Iraq to deliver $40,000 worth of medicine in the hope of alleviating a 
rising death toll among children. Government and United Nations reports 
estimate 5,000 children a month die from illnesses that could be easily 
treated with antibiotics and other common medicines.
According to Sacks and others who have visited Iraq, thousands of 
children are dying because of a shortage of basic antibiotics, vitamins 
and other medicines. Under the sanctions, those items can't be shipped 
to Iraq without government approval.
The government isn't accusing Sacks of violating the embargo by taking 
in medicines. The action is based on allegations that Sacks engaged in 
"travel-related transactions" while in Iraq in violation of the 
sanctions.
Sacks denies that charge.
"We do not go to Iraq to ride in taxis to give money to Iraq. We go so 
we can bring medicine -- aspirin, antibiotics, diarrhea medicine, 
vitamins, cough syrup. We bring things to people in need there," Sacks 
said.
"My objection is we are using (sanctions) as a lethal tool of coercion 
to try and have a regime change. How in the world do cough syrup, 
aspirin and antibiotics endanger the national security of the United 
States?"
Sacks, who has made eight trips to Iraq since 1996, refuses to pay the 
fine even though doing so could keep him out of jail. Paying, he said, 
would make him "complicit" in a policy that is directly responsible for 
killing children. Joining Sacks on his trips are groups such as 
Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility and Chicago-based Voices 
in the Wilderness.
The United Nations put sanctions in place in 1990 against Iraq. The 
sanctions were continued after the Gulf War by the United States to 
create public pressure to topple the country's leader, Saddam Hussein.
State Department spokesman Richard Boucher repeated the U.S. policy 
yesterday, saying: "We have made clear that the world would be better 
off with a regime change in Iraq. Regime change has always been part of 
United States policy."
After 12 years of sanctions, Saddam is still in power but more than 70 
percent of the population does not have clean drinking water.
Under law, the government can seize Sacks' property if he refuses to 
pay. But Sacks pointed out that he does not own a car or a house.
Asked why the government is pursing the case, neither Sacks nor Kathy 
Kelly of Voices in the Wilderness could offer an explanation.
"It's a question we're quite curious about," Kelly said. "Perhaps they 
thought people would be intimidated if one person were singled out. I 
haven't noticed that taking place at all."
Instead, Sacks and Kelly said they plan to raise $10,000 for more 
medicines and take them to Iraq in July.
©1999-2002 Seattle Post-Intelligencer
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 Se lo dici tu...
No: lo dicono i fatti! In Cina vengono forse garantiti i diritti civili? 
E agli USA glie ne frega forse qualcosa finche' con la Cina ci fa 
affari?
In Arabia, che tra le altre cose e' anche la culla del terrorismo, qual 
è la condizione delle donne?  E agli USA glie ne frega forse qualcosa 
finche' l'Arabia fornisce il petrolio?
-- 
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.

petrolio?
Perche' gli USA dovrebbero interessarsi delle leggi di un paese
straniero fino a quando non vanno a discapito della pace internazionale?
-Stefano

 straniero fino a quando non vanno a discapito della pace internazionale?
Allora agli USA che glie ne frega se a Cuba non c'e' la democrazia? 
Invece tutti i governanti si stracciano le vesti perche' Castro e' un 
dittatore, ma si scordano che fanno affari con altri dittatori...


dittatore, ma si scordano che fanno affari con altri dittatori...
Tutti i governanti chi? :)
Di chi stai parlando? :))
-Stefano

 Sai forse dimostrare il contrario?
Non perdo il mio tempo coi microcefali che hanno gli occhi coperti da 
fette di salame; buona permanenza nel mio kill file
-- 
In Afghanistan c'e' un miliardario folle che inneggia alla guerra santa.
Anche in Afghanistan? (LK)

fette di salame; buona permanenza nel mio kill file
Non sai rispondere.
Ne prendo atto.
-Stefano

 -Stefano
ma vai a cagare, coglione.
garfield è solo un po' più furbo di me che ti do retta per farmi 4 risate.
--
bogie
membro del Luigino Fans Club
"Siete tutti banditi"
F.Mancuso (FI) a C.Previti (FI)

 donne in Arabia ecc ecc ecc...
Non avendo alcuna informazione al riguardo, vorrei sapere da te quali sono
le torture praticate a Cuba ?
Roberto

 le torture praticate a Cuba ?
Non capisco il senso della tua domanda: consideri Cuba una democrazia 
liberale, oppure magari l'unico regime dittatoriale che non si basa 
sulla repressione violenta del dissenso?
Comunque:
in particolare:
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2000/july/cuba_torture.htm
"I know the taste of the urine and the excrement of other men… that 
practice does not leave marks; marks are left by beatings with steel 
rods and by bayonet thrusts. My head is still covered with scars and you 
can feel the cracks."
====================================================================
http://www.haciendapub.com/edcor2.html
Cuban Psychiatry --- The Perversion of Medicine
====================================================================
Dal sito di human rights watch:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/cuba/
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/cuba/Cuba996-01.htm#P376_26357
:
Cuban police or prison guards often heighten the punitive nature of 
solitary confinement with additional sensory deprivation, such as 
blocking light or ventilation from a cell, removing beds or mattresses, 
seizing prisoners' clothes and belongings, forbidding prisoners to 
communicate with one another, or restricting food and water beyond the 
already meager prison rations. Prison and police officials also 
disorient prisoners by leaving lights on in cells for twenty-four hours 
a day, incorrectly setting the time on clocks, or incessantly playing 
loud music. Experts in treating torture survivors recognize these as 
methods for imposing physical and psychological torture.
====================================================================
United Nations:
Concluding observations of the Committee against Torture : Cuba. 
21/11/97. 
A/53/44,paras.101-118. (Concluding Observations/Comments)
http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/c12563e7005d936d4125611e00445ea9/8e3bec
11245328f080256563005427b5?OpenDocument
====================================================================
http://www.cubacenter.org/media/news_articles/mederos.html
INS: Man Lied About Torture: Alleged Rights Violator Could Lose 
Citizenship
====================================================================
Contento ora?
-- 
Il palazzo di giustizia di Milano è il luogo meno adatto per i processi 
di Berlusconi.
E' infestato di giudici (LK)

 sulla repressione violenta del dissenso?
Senti, io ti chiedevo fatti non opinioni, mi hai quotato dei link che andrò
a leggere, ma inizialmente avevi parlato di "tortura", cosa che a me non
risulta. Adesso hai corretto in "repressione violenta del dissenso" che non
é certo una bella cosa, ma é differente dal praticare la tortura.
In riguardo a Cuba, so benissimo che non é una democrazia liberale, e che é
un paese che con una rivoluzione popolare di massa si é liberata di un
dittatore che si chiamava Batista che non solo torturava i propri
oppositori, ma anche li annientava fisicamente. Una delle caratteristiche
del periodo rivoluzionario a Cuba era proprio che i Castristi facevano
prigionieri, mentre Batista ammazzava gli oppositori. Lo vuoi chiamare
"regime dittatoriale" invece che paese socialista, fai pure, infatti lo é,
nel senso che il potere é tutto in mano a un partito. Ma questo di per se
non ti legittima a parlare di tortura. Mi risulta anche che Amnesty
International abbia accesso a Cuba, non certo in Cina...Ti chiedevo se eri a
conoscenza di fatti di tortura applicata a Cuba. Mi hai quotato dei link,
andrò a leggere per trovarvi le notizie sull'argomento e poi eventualmente
ne riparleremo.
A proposito invece di democrazie liberali, una di queste é gli Usa. Ho letto
un'interessante intervista (mi pare era il capo dei servizi americani)
sabato scorso sulla Repubblica in cui si accennava al trattamento riservato
ad alcuni presunti terroristi islamici arrestati in tutto il mondo, e
trasferiti per conto terzi (leggi Usa) in alcune carceri Siriane e
Marocchine e ivi trattati da esperti *psicologi* dei Servizi
americani...Certo non si parlava di tortura, ma di "psicologia"... e tu ci
credi che questi parlano (se sono veramente terroristi) grazie al
trattamento dei *psicologi*?
Sei così sicuro che nei paesi occidentali, incluso le "democrazie liberali"
non si sia mai praticata la tortura o perfino l'omicidio politico, a volte
anche camuffato da suicidio? Io no.La storia ci rende tanti ambigui
esempi...
Ci starei attento a tracciare una linea di demarcazione netta fra paesi
liberali e non in questo argomento, la stessa applicazione della pena di
morte in America potrebbe inficiare il concetto positivo di liberalità...per
non parlare dei pestaggi quotidiani dentro le questure Italiane, ogni volta
che ci sono periodi di tensione, che certo non sono torture, ma
maltrattamenti fisici si.
La tolleranza e l'impunità su questi episodi, rendono un paese
democratico-liberale, in democratico-illiberale.
Roberto

 Roberto
Ma da qui a paragonare l'Italia a Cuba ce ne passa...
-- 
Siamo in democrazia.
Possiamo ancora scegliere di vedere Berlusconi sulla rete che vogliamo 
(ElleKappa)

 Ne prendo atto.
Caro Stefano,
tu hai, a mio parere un culto delle leggi, intese come regole definite,
talmente spropositato che se fossi nato in un paese islamico entreresti
sicuramente nella lunga lista di quegli integralisti che hanno scelto il
martirio per far valere la propria legge.
Quello di cui non ti rendi conto e' che una legge, per come la vedo io, e'
relativa solo ad una piccolissima porzione di spazio-tempo da non poter mai
e poi mai indurci a pensare che quella legge possa essere presa per
definitiva.
La storia umana e' talmente stracolma di errori e di ingiustizie che ha
portato l'uomo a cercare di regolare in qualche modo il suo comportamento,
ma in maniera sempre relativa a quel preciso specchietto spazio-temporale.
I tempi cambiano e l'uomo cerca di imparare dai suoi stessi errori e se le
leggi cambiano e' perche' si cerca sempre di migliorarle.
Perche' mai pensi che una legge in quanto tale, debba essere infallibile?
Ci saranno tempi migliori e migliori leggi solo se qualcuno non le
interpretera'  secondo un canone divino di giustizia infinita e cerchera',
con l'esperienza di migliorare continuamente la condizione del genere umano.
Basterebbe un po' piu' di umilta' e un atteggiamento meno integralista.
Non puoi pretendere la perfezione da chi non e' assolutamente perfetto.
Non puoi ne' pretendere ne' affermare che una legge sia perfetta.
nisqaat

Basterebbe un po' piu' di umilta' e un atteggiamento meno integralista.
Da parte di chi?  Di chi e' a favore o contro?
-Stefano

 Da parte di chi?  Di chi e' a favore o contro?
non fa differenza

 Ma da qui a paragonare l'Italia a Cuba ce ne passa...
Guarda che Cuba la devi paragonare ai paesi di quell'area mica con
l'Europa...
Prova a cominciare a guardare intorno a Cuba per vedere cosa c'è, a
cominciare da Rep. Dominicana, Portorico ecc ecc
Lo sai che a Cuba c'é il più alto livello di scolarizzazione di tutta
l'America Latina? Accostare Cuba alla Cina, alla Corea del Nord, all'Arabia
Saudita, come hai fatto tu mi sembra un'atto politicamente disonesto. Un
paese che lotta con orgoglio e dignità per una propria autodeterminazione,
che non ha voluto essere territorio d'interesse delle mafie americane, come
lo era fino al '59, e che per aver vinto un tentativo d'invasione armata
(Baia dei Porci) e schieratasi con il blocco sovietico, ancora adesso nel
2002 paga un duro embargo deciso unilaterlmente dagli Usa, che é
completamente ingiusto oltre che antistorico.A Cuba lo sanno tutti che non
fanno male a una mosca, e se lo hanno fatto in passato, bisogna inquadrare
le cose nel contesto e nel periodo storico. Se non lo sai inoltre, l'Italia
é uno dei migliori partner commerciali di Cuba, insieme a Svezia, Germania,
Canada e Spagna.Tutto qui.
Ciao
Roberto

nasconde il tuo modo di pensare la questione.
Forse e' ovvio per molti ma non per tutti. Per questo lo affermo
-Stefano

 Canada e Spagna.Tutto qui.
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I contestatori della globalizzazione non capiscono il nuovo.
Tanto vale picchiarli con i soliti vecchi manganelli (ElleKappa)

 comunismo una giusta distribuzione della miseria"
E' evidente che Cuba non ha tante risorse politiche, cioé a me non pare
abbiano fatto le scelte giuste dall'89 in poi, quando Gorbaciov andò li a
spiegargli che la politica dei blocchi era finita...se le avesse avute, si
sarebbero potuti permettere anche un'opposizione, i valori della rivoluzione
sono molto radicati anche perché più recenti di quelli Sovietici.... e
sarebbe stato forse il primo caso nella storia di transizione dal socialismo
verso la democrazia, con il partito comunista in maggioranza relativa...
Roberto

 verso la democrazia, con il partito comunista in maggioranza relativa...
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Si fa poco o niente per difendere i bambini.
Eppure un giorno sono stati embrioni anche loro (ElleKappa)

 economiche sfruttabili quindi anche sul piano politico?
La prima che hai detto. Ci sono persone giovani e intellettuali al Governo
più familiari con un sistema di valori democratici, ma se non si risolve il
contrasto con gli Usa, si é continuamente nel vicolo cieco.
Ciao
Roberto