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Titolo: Jimmy Carter sul rapporto Goldstone

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/opinion/06iht-edcarter.html
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(che e' poi lo stesso che farnetica di piani massonici contro le 
parrocchie)

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/opinion/06iht-edcarter.html
Io lo farei moderatore di Icrc
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Tb (bieco illuminista)

 Sderot e Ashkelon
ma quello che dice basta e avanza per farvi chiamare antisemita l'uomo
di Camp David. Il che fa pensare che ci sia certa gente che avrebbe
preferito non si facesse la pace neppure con l'Egitto. Impressive

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/opinion/06iht-edcarter.html
Luca Logi ha perso un'altra meravigliosa occasione per tacere. ma se 
deve sputare su Israele lui proprio non riesce a fermarsi. Deve essere 
una faccenda di religione
Voila':
Carter, Goldstone and Gaza
President Jimmy Carter and Judge Richard Goldstone have a lot in common. 
Both prominent men of international standing have published hefty 
reports slamming Israel. Both made their arguments with countless 
factual errors that were exposed by critics. Both denied that their 
critics dealt with the substance of their reports and insisted that 
their detractors resorted to launching only ad hominen attacks.
For instance, Carter told an audience at the University of Georgia, "I 
have been called a liar. I've been called an anti-Semite. I've been 
called a bigot. I've been called a plagiarist. I've been called a 
coward. Those accusations, they concern me, but they don't detract from 
the fact that the book is accurate, and that it's needed." Similarly, 
Goldstone wrote in an Op-Ed in the Jerusalem Post: "Five weeks after the 
release of the Report of the Fact Finding Mission on Gaza, there has 
been no attempt by any of its critics to come to grips with its 
substance. It has been fulsomely approved by those whose interests it is 
thought to serve and rejected by those of the opposite view. Those who 
attack it do so too often by making personal attacks on its authors' 
motives and those who approve it rely on its authors' reputations."
So it's little wonder that on Nov. 6 Jimmy Carter published an Op-Ed in 
the International Herald Tribune (and the Internet edition of the New 
York Times, as the two papers share a Web site) enthusiastically 
endorsing Goldstone's report ("Goldstone and Gaza"). And it's no 
surprise that this Op-Ed is riddled with factual errors.
CAMERA has requested corrections of the following five factual errors:
1) First, Carter wrote that Gaza is "surrounded by an impenetrable 
wall."  In fact, most of the barrier along Gaza's 62 km land border is 
metal fence, not a wall. The Gaza-Egypt border is separated by a wall.
The news pages of the International Herald Tribune have consistently 
described the barrier between Israel and Gaza correctly, that is, as a 
fence (June 27, 2008; June 25, 2008; June 17, 2008; June 12, 2008; and 
May 24, 2008; among many others).
Following are photographs from the major wire services demonstrating 
that the barrier between Israel and Gaza is a fence:
Israeli soldiers take position as they approach the fence on the 
Israel-Gaza border to cross
into the Gaza Strip on January 4, 2009. AFP photo by Jack Guez
Israeli soldiers patrol near the Israeli Gaza border, Monday June 08, 
2009. Israeli troops battled Palestinian gunmen early Monday in a 
flare-up of violence along the tense frontier between Israel and 
Hamas-controlled Gaza. A group of around 10 gunmen were trying to cross 
the border fence into Israel when they were spotted by troops, according 
to Palestinian security officials (AP photo by Tsafrir Abayov)
An Israeli tank rolls along the border fence in Gaza across from two 
donkeys standing near the Kissufim crossing March 26, 2008. Amir 
Cohen/Reuters
2) Second, Carter grossly exaggerated the number of Gaza homes destroyed 
during Cast Lead, stating: "it was difficult to understand or explain 
the destruction of hospitals, schools, prisons, United Nations 
facilities, small factories and repair shops, agricultural processing 
plants and almost 40,000 homes." Yet, statistics from Palestinian 
sources and the United Nations contradict Carter's claim that 40,000 
homes were destroyed. Al Mazen Center for Human Rights, an anti-Israel 
Palestinian NGO, recently issued a report called "Cast Lead Offensive in 
Numbers" in which it found that 11,152 homes had been destroyed or 
damaged during the offensive (Table 17 and Chart 15, page 20 and Table 
18, page 21). Furthermore, page 20 of the report states:
     Al Mezan was able to document the destruction of, or damage to, 
11,154 civilian homes (housing units) by the IOF during Operation Cast 
Lead. Of these, 2632 were totally destroyed (destroyed beyond repair) 
and 8522 were partially destroyed (i.e. assessed as repairable by Al 
Mezan.) The latest United Nations figures (available from UNRWA) on the 
destruction of civilian homes during Operation Cast Lead are as follows: 
3600 homes destroyed beyond repair; 2700 homes sustained major damages; 
52,000 homes sustained minor damages.
The Goldstone report, which Carter enthusiastically endorses in his 
Op-Ed, provides additional sources which put the number of destroyed 
homes at a small fraction of the amount that Carter claims. Paragraph 
1238 of the report states:
     Figures about the overall damage to residential housing vary 
according to the source and time of the measurement as well as the 
methodology. The human rights NGO Al Mezan reports that a total of 
11,135 homes were partially or fully destroyed. According to the human 
rights NGO Al-Dameer-Gaza, 2,011 civilian and cultural premises were 
destroyed, of which 1,404 were houses that were completely demolished 
and 453 partially destroyed or damaged. A UNDP survey immediately after 
the end of military operations reported 3,354 houses completely 
destroyed and 11,112 partially damaged.
Even the Arab League's report on Cast Lead cited less than a tenth of 
the number of destroyed homes that Carter claims. Paragraph 20 of the 
report claims: "Over 3,000 homes were destroyed and over 11,000 damaged."
3) In another related falsehood, Carter claims: "Several hundred 
thousand homeless people suffered through last winter in a few tents, 
under plastic sheets, or huddled in caves dug into the debris of their 
former homes." This too is utter nonsense according to Arab and U.N. 
statistics. As paragraph 1239 of the Goldstone report stated:
     The destruction or damage of their homes forced many people to flee 
and find shelter with relatives or agencies providing assistance, such 
as UNRWA. At the height of the military operations UNRWA was providing 
shelter to 50,896 displaced persons in 50 shelters. This number was 
estimated to be a fraction of those who had become homeless, most of 
whom found temporary shelter with relatives.
In other words, at the peak of displacement, 60,000 people sought refuge 
in UNRWA shelters, which included buildings as well as tents, "plastic 
sheets" or "caves." (Of those who sought shelter in places not provided 
by UNRWA, the majority stayed with relatives and were spared the tents, 
plastic sheets or caves which Carter claims housed hundreds of 
thousands.) And the number of displaced obviously decreased when the 
fighting ended. Diaa Hadid of the Associated Press wrote Nov. 9, 2009: 
"The U.N. estimates around 20,000 Gaza residents were made homeless by 
the [Cast Lead] offensive" ("U.N.: Gaza Needs Construction Material 
Before Winter"). Similarly, B'Tselem's recent report on Cast Lead 
("Guidelines for Israel's Investigation into Operation Cast Lead"), 
stated: "Tens of thousands of persons were left homeless."  In other 
words, according to Goldstone, UNRWA, and B'Tselem, tens of thousands 
were left homeless -- not "several hundred thousand," as Carter claims. 
This is a very significant difference which requires correction.
4) In another factual error, Carter writes: "The Goldstone committee 
examined closely the cause of deaths of 1,387 Palestinians who perished. 
. . " In fact, the 575-page document does not closely examine the causes 
of death for 1,387 Palestinian individuals. (If so, each death's "close 
examination" would merit less than half a page of the report, and 
obviously this is not the case.) The report does not name all of the 
casualties, much less examine closely the circumstances of death. As 
Goldstone has repeatedly stated, the report chose 36 incidents to 
examine in detail -- obvious all 1,387 reported deaths were not related 
to those 36 incidents.
5) Finally, Carter assertion regarding the "destruction of hospitals" 
earlier appeared in John Dugard's July 23, 2009 Op-Ed. As earlier 
reported by CAMERA, Page 42 of the Arab League report cites a World 
Health Organization document which mentions damaged, but not destroyed, 
hospitals:
     The WHO reported that during the conflict over half (15 of 27) of 
the hospitals in the Gaza Strip were damaged. Of the 15 hospitals 
damaged, nine were PMOH facilities. The Al-Wafah Rehabilitation Hospital 
managed by an NGO, and the Fatah General Hospital were also damaged. The 
Al-Quds Hospital, managed by the Palestinian Red Crescent Society was 
damaged severely to the extent that all of its patients were evacuated 
to another hospital (the Al-Shifa hospital). [Emphasis added.]
Besides WHO and the Arab League, other international and Palestinian 
sources also confirm that while there were damaged hospitals in the Gaza 
Strip, none were destroyed. The January 22-23 report by the United 
Nations' Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs ("Field 
Update On Gaza from the Humanitarian Coordinator") reports that four 
days after the cease-fire, hospitals were running at full capacity to 
treat the wounded. Though the OCHA report mentions repairs at Al-Quds 
hospital, which was also accepting patients just days after the fighting 
ended, it does not report that there were any destroyed hospitals. The 
report states:
     Hospitals continue to function at full capacity as many injured 
patients remain hospitalized, with the result that hospitals have been 
unable to resume regular services such as elective surgery. 
Post-surgical physiotherapy is provided in Shifa hospital. Most repair 
work to the Al Quds Hospital in Gaza City, which was shelled on 15 
January, has been completed and the facility is now functioning again.
Furthermore, the Palestine Red Crescent Society Emergency Appeal (Jan. 
19, 2009) also notes damage to the Al Quds hospital, but does not report 
on one destroyed hospital. Outlining the overall medical situation in 
the Gaza Strip immediately after the fighting, the appeal states:
     The heavy bombardment in the area of PRCS branch in Gaza City 
resulted in tremendous material loss in the Al Quds hospital, and the 
eight storey administrative building, which had to be evacuated and is 
no longer in use.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1760

 President Jimmy Carter and Judge Richard Goldstone have a lot in common.
no Carter ha qualcosa in più che ne certifica l'imparzialità, ovvero
camp David 1979. Con una premessa così pesante al suo attivo, un
critico di Carter minimamente obiettivo si chiederebbe se chi lo
accusa velatamente o meno di antisemitisimo ha tutte le rotelle a
posto. E la seconda domanda sarebbe: ma se Carter è un uomo di pace, e
i fatti dimostrano che lo è, perchè adesso la pensa così? Non avrà
qualche ragione per dire quello che dice? Chi non si fa nessuna di
queste domande non è un critico obiettivo, ed è legittimo sospettare
che non critica Carter per quello che dice oggi, ma perchè il solo
fatto che parli fa ricordare al pubblico che se la pace è stata
possibile tra stati che fino a 5 anni si guerreggiavano apertamente,
tanto più lo è tra Israele e palestinesi, la cui capacità di nuocere
(al di là delle starnazzate di Bibi sul fatto che non si tratta con
chi vuole distruggere Israele) è inesistente rispetto a quella
egiziana di 30 anni fa. Carter è la spina nel fianco della propaganda
della destra israeliana, perchè la sua esistenza ricorda ogni giorno
che SE C'E' LA VOLONTA' ISRAELIANA, si può fare la pace con chiunque,
e quindi se la pace non si fa, è questa volontà che manca, e il resto
è solo propaganda.