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Titolo: Aria nuova negli USA?

 BBC NEWS
Democrats seize control of House
The Democratic Party has won control of the House of Representatives
in the US mid-term elections.
The White House conceded the Democrats had picked up the 15 net seats
needed to wrest power from the Republicans - for the first time in 12
years.
The Democrats are also projected to have won four of six target Senate
seats - but Virginia and Montana remain too close to call.
Polls have now closed across the US, with high turnout reported.
The Democrats focused on voters' anger over the Iraq war during their
campaign, while the Republicans stressed their own stance on security.
	Democratic supporters in Pennsylvania are effusive and
optimistic
Jonathan Beale
The BBC's Jamie Coomarasamy in Washington says the results in these
mid-term elections have changed the political landscape in the US.
The last two years of the Bush presidency will be very different to
what has gone before, he says.
With projected results still coming through, the Democrats had gained
16 House seats from the Republicans - enough to win control providing
they hold their existing seats.
House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said the American people had
"voted for Democrats to take our country in a new direction - and that
is exactly what we intend to do".
 
Ms Pelosi - who stands to become the first female House speaker - said
the Democrats would "restore integrity and honesty" to Washington and
lead the "most ethical Congress in history".
Presidential spokesman Tony Snow said the White House had conceded
defeat in the House.
"We believe Democrats will have control of the House, and look forward
to working with Democratic leaders on the issues that remain foremost
on the agenda, including winning the war in Iraq and the broader war
on terror and keeping the economy on a growth path," he said.
President George W Bush has scheduled a news conference for later on
Wednesday.
The speech will provide the first clue as to whether Mr Bush intends
to compromise with his newly powerful opponents or fight them, the
BBC's Justin Webb in Washington says.
Senate gains
Democratic hopes have been bolstered by wins bringing them closer to
their target of six net Senate seats.
	It's been kind of tough out there
House speaker Dennis Hastert
However, the race remained neck-and-neck after Republican Bob Corker
held on to his Senate seat in Tennessee, despite a strong challenge
from Harold Ford Jr.
In other results:
    * In Pennsylvania, Democrat Bob Casey Jr beat one of his party's
biggest Republican targets this year, arch-conservative incumbent Rick
Santorum
    * In Ohio, where the Republican Party has been hit by scandal,
Democrat Sherrod Brown won a decisive victory over incumbent
Republican Mike DeWine
    * The Senate seat in Rhode Island has gone to Democrat Sheldon
Whitehouse after a closely-fought battle with incumbent Republican
Lincoln Chafee
    * In New Jersey, Democrat incumbent Senator Bob Menendez has
succeeded in holding off a strong challenge from the Republicans'
Thomas Kean. The race had been seen as the Republicans' best chance of
picking up a seat from their rivals
    * The Senate race in Virginia, where Democrat Jim Webb is
challenging incumbent George Allen, is likely to go to a full recount,
correspondents say
    * The Senate seat in Connecticut has gone to Joe Lieberman, who
stood as an independent after losing the Democratic primary to Ned
Lamont amid strong anti-war feeling. He has said he will align himself
with the Democrats
    * Democrat Keith Ellison has been elected as the nation's first
Muslim member of Congress, taking a House seat in Minnesota
    * Republicans lost the Florida district of Mark Foley, who
resigned after the disclosure that he sent sexually explicit messages
to teenage male congressional assistants.
"It's been kind of tough out there," conceded Republican House speaker
Dennis Hastert, who won a 11th two-year term.
While Mr Hastert won his district, he will lose his job as speaker
after the Republicans lost control of the House of Representatives.
 
SENATE RACE
DEMOCRAT GAINS:
McCaskill takes Missouri
Casey gains Pennsylvania
Brown gains Ohio
Whitehouse gains Rhode Island
RESULTS TO COME:
Montana
Virginia
Voters are also choosing governors in 36 states.
Democrat Deval Patrick has taken the governorship in Massachusetts,
becoming the first black governor of the state and only the second
elected black governor of any state.
In some good news for the Republicans, Arnold Schwarzenegger has held
on to his gubernatorial seat in California for a second term.
And in one of a series of state referendums, voters in South Dakota
have overturned a near-total ban on abortions passed by the state
legislature earlier this year.
Iraq 'important'
Democratic Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton - who cast her own vote
alongside former President Bill Clinton - has strolled to re-election
in New York, as expected. Her win opens the way for a potential
presidential run in 2008.
In her acceptance speech, Sen Clinton said she was ready to "roll up
my sleeves and get to work" in creating a "new beginning" for the
country.
A national exit poll for the Associated Press indicated that about
two-thirds of people felt Iraq was very important to their vote.
 
BALANCE OF CONGRESS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES:
435 seats - all being contested
Republicans hold 229 seats; Democrats 201; one seat independent; four
vacant seats
Democrats need to win net 15 seats to win control of House
SENATE:
100 seats - 33 being contested
Republicans hold 55 seats; Democrats 44; one independent
Democrats need to win net six seats to win control of Senate
Yet even more voters - about 80% - said the economy, government
corruption and scandal were very important to their votes, the survey
of 8,344 voters said.
Technical hitches delayed voting in dozens of precincts in Indiana and
Ohio.
Officials extended polling hours in six states because of problems
with electronic voting machines.
The new voting technology has been brought in to replace older
systems, such as the punch-card machines which were at the centre of
the Florida dispute during the 2000 presidential election.
In Virginia, election officials told ABC News the FBI was
investigating claims of voter intimidation.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/6127216.stm
Published: 2006/11/08 07:33:00 GMT
© BBC MMVI

 Democrats seize control of House
Per ragioni che ho discusso in altri post, sono piuttosto cinico su
quello che oggi si chiama democrazia rappresentativa.  Queste elezioni
non cambiano la situazione (Il governo che ha ujcciso 600,000 Irakeni e
3000 Americani per una bugia perde ~10 deputati, e si chiama una
"vittoria storica"?  Pah!).
Questa, pero', e', spero, un'ottima notizia e un buon inizio:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6127234.stm
Keith Ellison, a Democrat, has become the first Muslim to be elected to
the US Congress by winning a Minnesota seat in the House of
Representatives.
He overcame personal attacks emphasising his past association with
Louis Farrakhan, leader of the radical Nation of Islam group.
The 43-year-old lawyer sought to downplay his religion and ran on a
populist platform.
He has called for the immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.

 Representatives.
Mah...
Palmiro Pangloss

 Palmiro Calderoli <g>

 > Palmiro Calderoli <g>
???
Palmiro Pangloss


Visto che sei "scettico" davanti all elezione di un candidato musulmano
 ti accomuno al leghista di riferimento<g>

  ti accomuno al leghista di riferimento<g>
Ah, ok, non hai capito un cazzo. Sono perplesso sulle affermazioni di
Torrieri che prima si dice scettico rispetto alla democrazia
rappresentativa e poi si felicita per l'elezione di un deputato.
L'elezione di Mr. Ellison  - le cui posizioni politiche non conosco
salvo qelle riportate dalla BBC nel brano citato da Torrieri - non mi
suscita particolari sentimenti, salvo essere contento genericamente per
un democratico eletto in piu'.
Palmiro Pangloss

 Representatives.
Chomsky riuscira' a farsene una ragione ?
plutone 

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Il problema e' che sto concentrato knorr di fesseria bovina si crede 
anche spiritoso con i suoi <g> dementi...
Am.

 
sara' ......

 Rotfl,
Si, sei buffo, quoto.
Palmiro Pangloss

 rappresentativa e poi si felicita per l'elezione di un deputato.
Mi dico scettico sulla democrazia rappresentativa perche' le elezioni
come sono fatte negli USA (e se e per questo anche da noi), col governo
del popolo (democrazia, appunto) hanno a che fare piu' o meno lo stesso
che il Wrestling con lo sport competitivo.
L'82% degli Americani sembra essere daccordo (tanta e' la percentuale,
che alla domanda "do you think Congressmen serve special interests, or
the people" risponde con la prima alternativa.).
Sono pero' contento che al congresso c'e un nero in piu', e il primo
Mussulmano praticante.
E' un passo in avanti, per rappresentativita', per quanto piccolo.
GT

 E' un passo in avanti, per rappresentativita', per quanto piccolo.
Ok, quindi non e' vero che sei scettico sulla democrazia
rappresentativa come sistema. anzi, al contrario, e' un sistema che
apprezzi solo che non pensi che le attuali applicazioni di questo
sistema siano soddisfacenti. E' ben diverso.
Palmiro Pangloss

 Mah...
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http://www.reopen911.org/
 
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Il punto è uno solo: cambierà la politca USA? Personalmente non nego a
nessuno la possiblità di redimersi, ma questo non significa che ci
conti. Per gli USA poi esiste più di un motivo di scetticismo. Ma la
speranza è l'ultima a morire.

 "vittoria storica"?  Pah!)
Bisogna ricordare il contesto: solo pochi giorni fa si ricordava quella
simpatica pratica americana, chiamata gerrymandering, di disegnare ad
arte i distretti elettorali utilizzando i dati dei censimenti e delle
precedenti consultazioni in maniera da vanificare gli imponderabili
delle votazioni. In pratica, l'enorme maggioranza (oltre il 90%) dei
collegi elettorali sono sicuri per il partito che li occupa e cambiano
rappresentante solo in caso di una improbabile valanga.
--
"il Logi è goi e quindi, poverino, abituato a credere che
quel che c'è scritto non necessiti di interpretazione"
(il cosiddetto agnosco/nahum/jabo/shampista/delafia/borat su
it.politica.internazionale, 26/10/06)

 rappresentante solo in caso di una improbabile valanga.
Vedi il cinismo.   Questa e' parte del problema, ma non il tutto:
La maggior parte degli elettori del Connecticut erano contro la guerra
nel 2003, e per il ritiro immediato oggi, per la cacciata di Rumsfeld,
contro Guantanamo.  Eppure viene eletto, e rieletto, un senatore che e'
dimostrabilmente contrario a tutte queste posizioni.
Nello stato di NY, il candidato per il ritiro dall'Iraq non riesce
neanche a entrare nei dibattiti alle primarie, malgrado, ancora una
volta, la sua posizione, al contrario di quella di Hillary, riflette la
maggioranza dei suoi costituenti.
Insomma, hanno ragione
questi:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54918
Ad aver vinto non sono i Democratici o i Repubblicani, ma i politici, e
cioe' le Lobby, le stesse che finanziano i candidati di tutti e due i
parititi.   E bello vedere che Bush abbia preso una batosta, ma, se non
ci sara' un movimento per le strade a chiedere un cambiamento, non
cambiera' assolutamente un tubo.    Per esempio, sulla guerra contro
l'Iran non mi sto facendo illusioni:  L'unico ostacolo e' la resistenza
Irakena che sta tenendo l'esercito USA e mostrando chiaramente,
all'opinione pubblica, giorno dopo giorno, a cosa portano le guerre.
Questo a presciendere da chi c'e al congresso.
E questo non si limita assolutamente agli USA e al gerrymandering.
Guarda le percentuali che stanno _ancora_ prendendo i mafiosi della
cosca delle liberta', dopo 5 anni di crisi economica e di attivita'
legislatica interamente dedicata a leggi ad personam e leccaculismo di
Bush.
GT

 dimostrabilmente contrario a tutte queste posizioni.
Azzardo un'ipotesi: non avevi capito un cazzo.
Comunque complimenti a Joe Lieberman, il leone del Connecticut.
Tb
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:> [Tb] : Il dovere di un comunista sarebbe quello di formare un cordone
sanitario attorno alla feccia nazi
: [.sergio.] : No
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