Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Curiose battaglie religiose: "Jesus is a liberal"

Da alt.politics.economics
http://www.jesusisaliberal.org/
Conservatives are now claiming that the Bible has a "Liberal bias".
Which goes to prove one thing, that they never read it before.  They
are only now starting to realize the obvious, that Jesus was a
Liberal, so they're eating their hearts out.  They'll be eating their
hearts out in Hell.  Nobody talked more about this than Jesus did,
about how important it is to help the poor, about redistributing
wealth, and all that.  No question about it, Jesus was a Liberal.
DEFINITELY a Liberal, and a radical Liberal at that.
Conservatives espouse self-sufficiency and rugged individualism, and
they believe that people should pull themselves up by their own
bootstraps. Becoming rich is a highly valued goal, and taxes are seen
as a curse. Social programs for the poor are a waste of tax-payers'
money, and the sort of people on those programs (mostly blacks) are
lazy and given to crime. As for criminals, they should feel the full
force of the law. And that goes for international criminals as well...
a nation should deal with its enemies from a position of strength, and
should never be afraid to let them feel the full force of its military
might.
OK, but these were NOT the politics of Jesus.
Let's take a look:
On defense: Jesus said "Love your enemies" and "Blessed are the
peacemakers." (Matthew 5:44; 5:9; 5:39.)
On social programs: "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you
possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in
heaven." (Matthew 19:21.)
On rugged individualism and the pursuit of self-interest: "Love your
neighbor as yourself." "So in everything, do to others as you would
have them do to you." (Matthew 22:39; 7:12.)
On financial success: "Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a
rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." "You cannot serve both God
and Money." (Matthew 19:23; 6:24.)
On the philosophy that 'greed is good': "Watch out! Be on your guard
against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the
abundance of his possessions." (Luke 12:15.)
On paying taxes: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is
God's." (Matthew 22:22.)
On race relations: In the parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus praised
the morality of a hated foreigner over his own countrymen. (Luke
10:30-37.)
On letting others pull themselves up by their own bootstraps: "But
when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the
blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you
will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous." (Luke 14:13,14.)
Christian conservatives would be horrified, but there is no getting
around this central fact: Jesus was not just a liberal, but a radical
liberal!
In fact, there is not one text in all four Gospels which even remotely
supports or resembles the conservative's most cherished beliefs. It is
a standing challenge to the religious right to find a list of Gospel
texts, as I have provided here, which advocates the conservative's
philosophies. Not one Christian can give a single example, because
these texts do not exist.
And if anyone remains unconvinced about the deep liberal slant of
Jesus, a review of his economic policies should remove all doubt
forever.  Reading from Essenes, who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, and of
Paul's Christian Church, it's made clear, that the fruits of
everyone's labor went into a collective pool, which was then divided
evenly among everyone in the group. The following passages from Acts
of the Apostles are remarkable in this description:
      "All the believers were together and had everything in common.
Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had
need." (Acts 2:44-45).
      "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed
that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything
they had. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to
time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from
the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to
anyone as he had need." (Acts 4:32,34,35)
The New Testament itself is filled with countless calls for a
redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. As for the rich,
they are clearly portrayed as wicked; both Jesus and his apostles
condemned them in the harshest terms possible:
      "But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your
comfort. Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go
hungry." (Luke 6:24,25)
      "Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Luke 18:25)
      "People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and
into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and
destruction. For the love of money is the root of all evil." (1
Timothy 6:9,10)
      "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be
arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but
to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for
our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and
to be generous and willing to share." (1 Timothy 6:17,18)
      "Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor
in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the
kingdom he promised those who loved him? But you have insulted the
poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones
who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are
slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?" (James 2:5-7)
      "Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the
misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have
eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion
will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have
hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the
workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of
the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have
lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened
yourself in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered
innocent men, who were not opposing you." (James 5:1-6)
Giving to the poor was not just an act of kindness, it was a Christian
duty. It was this identification with the poor that led to a
condemnation of usury, or the loaning of money for interest, for this
was seen as exploitation of the poor.
Conservatives cannot claim Jesus as one of their own.  Jesus would, in
fact, if he could today, condemn Conservatives in the strongest
possible terms.  Their political views are based on their own logic
and reason, but they must stop there, and cease to claim that their
views come from the teachings of Jesus, because they do not.
Abel Malcolm 

 Conservatives are now claiming that the Bible has a "Liberal bias".
A questo proposito duole ricordare una recente, infelice, campagna di
Boselli.
-- 
Tb (bieco illuminista)

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Non sapevo. Link?
Namib 

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Non ricordi "Gesù il primo socialista?"
Non so dove trovare il link, ma era una roba raccapricciante
-- 
Tb (bieco illuminista)

 Non so dove trovare il link, ma era una roba raccapricciante
Credo tu ti riferisca a questo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYAqWUOMCNs
Tuttavia non ha le palle di nominare esplicitamente Gesů.
Si limita a mostrare un tizio con barba curata e capelli lunghi sullo
sfondo di un deserto.
-- 
Quando ti sveglierai non ricorderai nulla del post di Questo Splenetico

 Conservatives are now claiming that the Bible has a "Liberal bias".
Questa se la sono inventata.
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 Non so dove trovare il link, ma era una roba raccapricciante
Beh, che Gesù sia anti-business è innegabile: ricordi quando si
scagliò contro dei commercianti rei di utilizzare uno spazio pubblico
(peraltro pagato dalla comunità)?

 Non so dove trovare il link, ma era una roba raccapricciante
Non ricordav o l'avesse detto Boselli, ma l'accostamento 
Gesů/socialismo/comunismo č talmente comune che, su un testo di teologia, 
una volta ho letto che si potrebbe considerare il comunismo come un'eresia 
del cristianesimo.
Namib 

 (peraltro pagato dalla comunità)?
Una specie di black block, più che un pacato riformista
-- 
Tb (bieco illuminista)

 (peraltro pagato dalla comunità)?
Per tacer del "panta koinà" (At 4, 32).
Namib 

 Una specie di black block, più che un pacato riformista
Non potrei che vedere con preoccupazione un Gesù PdC. A Namib invece
piacerebbe.

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Io non divido un cazzo con nessuno...

 del cristianesimo.
Mah, un po' è stato vero. Ma farci una campagma elettorale.., oggi...
-- 
Tb (bieco illuminista)

 piacerebbe.
Se crocifiggesse B., mi iscriverei al suo club.
Namib 

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Mi sa che stiamo confondendo i ruoli.
Non diamo a B. anche la parte di Messia.
-- 
Tb (bieco illuminista)

 Non ricordi "Gesù il primo socialista?"
vabbe', era un leit motiv del socialismo italiano di inizio XX
secolo.

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era la volta che secondo Persio ha pestato la cacca di cammello?

 Non diamo a B. anche la parte di Messia.
Beh, lo dice lui che è l'unto del Signore, eh. Crucifige!
Namib 

 Gesù/socialismo/comunismo è talmente comune che, su un testo di teologia,
di più...nel mondo reale, e non nei testi di pseudoscienze da TSO
immediato per chiunque non li legga come libri di barzellette, i fasci
siciliani (quelli di fine '800, ovviamente) facevano le manifestazioni
portando in giro i ritratti dei santi e di Marx....

 I socialisti non lo sono.
le mazzette non aiutano tanto il business, perchè fanno prevalere chi
è ammaniccato con la politica piuttosto che chi fa prodotti migliori o
a minor costo

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chissà perchè ci hai visto quell'allusione, tanto gli sei contrario.
Qualunque persona normale vedrebbe in B. crocefisso uno dei due
ladroni...