Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: e sullo sfondo, il convitato di pietra (tasse e altro...)

Che interessante che e' il sito di haaretz, non mi ricordo piu' quale
user me lo abbia fatto trovare (credo father mck.. ma non vorrei 
sbagliare il credit e che qualcuno se la abbia a male)
allora, su un giornale israeliano vi sono cose molto interessanti,
ad esempio l'economia - mi rendo conto che discutere di bilanci
non interessa a molti quindi do la url
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=150717&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=150717
si discute di iperinflazione ed altro, si discute anche di tasse,
questa enitita' che fa sorgere e cadere Imperi che divide
trasversalmente
ed impietosamente, e quando si tratta di grana...
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Before imposing an additional burden on the middle class, on those who
work and pay taxes as required by law and also perform reserve
military duty, it would be worthwhile annuling all the private-member
legislation. In such a manner - with the revocation of the Large
Families Law, the Negev Law and the law that affords tax breaks to
settlements in the territories - the budget will receive a NIS 2
billion injection. In addition, there is a need to close up the
numerous loopholes in the income tax laws that allow the wealthy to
earn revenues abroad without paying taxes on them.
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Micidiale la parte tra "-" anche perche', putroppo non riesco a
ritrovare
l'articolo, ho gia' letto da un altra parte di un hardliner politico
(che
spinge per l'uso dell'IDF in Palestina) che pero' ottiene l'esenzione
dal servizio militare dei suoi "50,000 studenti" che pretendono 
di studiare la Torah (ho perso la url, sono davvero dispiaciuto)
Ma bottom line, e' chiaro che una guerra occorre pagarla, se ci sono
i fondi per finanziarla si puo' anche quadrare il cerchio, fare
il tax break per il colono e tassare normalmente il cittadino medio
(magari laico, magari che non gli sbatte nulla dei coloni)
ma quando i soldi finiscono... o quando le varie categorie
sociali vanno a fare i conti su come viene tassata l'altra,
la cosa si fa interessante (nel senso cinese del termine).
L'esenzione dal servizio militare di hardliner religiosi ha poi
il potenziale di una bomba  - c'e' nessuno che ha una buona url
si chi fa il servizio militare in Israele e chi e' esentato?
Vorrei studiare meglio questo aspetto,
Bye
oh, ho trovato pure le lettere - gran cosa internet...
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=150718&contrassID=2&subContrassID=7&sbSubContrassID=0
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Taxed for the settlers 
The news that Ariel Sharon's government plans to levy a war loan on
all wage-earning Israelis puts another obstacle in the path of this
Argentinian Jew's chances of ever making aliyah to Israel. I work hard
and I believe the fruits my labor should go to civil society and to me
- not to the extremists of the settler movement, who endanger the name
of Judaism. Make no mistake about it, the so called "war loan" is
nothing but a settler tax. Without the settlers, there would be no
need for Israeli soldiers to murder and be murdered in a Jenin refugee
camp. You can pay the tax. I refuse to.
Shlomo Weinberg 
Buenos Aires, Argentina 
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Che storie! Tensioni interne ed esterne, economia e religione, tasse.
Colpisce davvero  la profondita' e la drammaticita' di questo
conflitto.
Bye

 Vorrei studiare meglio questo aspetto,
Sono esonerati dal servizio militare i cittadini israeliani di etnia araba
(non ci si fida di loro), anche se altre etnie servono nell'esercito (per
esempio beduini e drusi), oltre agli ebrei di piu' rigorosa osservanza. Ogni
tanto scoppia una polemica, perche' mentre gli ebrei più ortodossi (haredi)
hanno le posizioni politicamente più rigide ed estremiste, dato che i loro
figli non fanno il servizio militare i loro appelli suonano agli occhi degli
altri ebrei come un "armiamoci e partite". (Ricordo le dichiarazioni di uno
di loro, che i loro ragazzi si stanno massacrando nello studio della Torah,
per cui la loro situazione è più gravosa di chi deve semplicemente compiere
il servizio militare.)
Non ho una URL perchè l'articolo è di un paio di mesi fa, ma trascrivo un
commento del Jerusalem Post (3/2/2002). Partendo dal fatto che gli ebrei
haredi non servono nell'esercito, l'articolista giustifica quelli che
rifiutano di servire per ragioni umanitarie. E' un esempio dei paradossi
provocati da questa curiosa situazione.
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Right of refusal 
Daniel Bloch
(February 3) - Every nation has encountered the phenomenon of
conscientious objectors and draft evaders. Most countries have succeeded
in dealing with this problem in a quiet manner and on an individual
basis. It is more difficult to deal with when the refusal to serve
becomes a protest movement that is gaining momentum.
In Israel we have two very large segments of the population that never
serve in the army - the Arabs and the haredi Jews. The first group is
generally exempted from military service by a mutual tacit
understanding. The second group does not serve due to political
arrangements enforced by blackmail and extortion, without any real
justification.
Thus, many thousands of healthy and eligible young men are not carrying
out their obligation as citizens to take part in the defense of the
country. The government and the army that allows this kind of refusal to
serve have lost the moral authority over those who object to serve for
secular, ideological reasons.
I personally believe that every healthy Israeli has to comply with the
obligation to serve in the IDF, as conscript and reservist, without
exceptions. Even if justifiably exempted, everyone must do at least
basic training to be able to defend his community, and must participate
in programs of national service.
Until this is practiced by all citizens, it is very difficult to condemn
and act against those who refuse to serve in general or those who demand
an exemption from certain tasks, such as serving in Lebanon in the past
or nowadays in the West Bank or Gaza Strip.
We have Jewish members of Knesset and even government ministers who have
not served in the IDF. In some cases they arranged some kind of service
for themselves in order to be able to enter public life. Yet they make
decisions that affect the lives of those who choose to serve and protect
our nation without any reservations.
Historically we have had a limited number of cases of conscientious
objections to serve out of opposition to specific instances. In most
cases it has been proven that they were justified. The best known cases
are connected with the unnecessary war in Lebanon. Therefore, before we
condemn the reservists who signed the letter of refusal to serve in the
territories, let us check their complaints. Chief of General Staff
Lt.-Gen. Shaul Mofaz must do some soul searching and not rush to
judgment and publicly declare that the "objectors are inciting rebellion
out of political motives rather than moral concerns."
Mofaz, in his last year in office and already vying for an active role
in politics, must be extremely careful in choosing his words when
dealing with such a delicate matter. Brushing aside their serious
complaints about the IDF's treatment of Palestinian civilians is the
easiest way to cope with the problem. However, that problem will refuse
to be swept under the carpet and the objector movement will grow larger,
as in the case of the futile war in Lebanon.
We must differentiate between the ideological debate on the future
relations with the Palestinians and questions of ill treatment of
Palestinians in specific instances. As long as there is no complete
cessation of violence and terrorism against us we must defend ourselves,
both passively and actively, including preventive measures. But even
when fighting a justified cause, one must prevent maltreatment of
civilians and act according to international laws and conventions. This
approach must unite all segments of Israeli society, Right and Left,
disciples of Ben-Gurion, Jabotinsky, Begin, or Rabin. Surely every
soldier has not only the right but also the legal and moral obligation
to refuse to act in an illegal manner.
All the signatories of the protest letter have already fulfilled their
obligations of military service with dedication and distinction in
combat units, according to orders given by the democratically elected
government of Israel. They deserve to be heard and to see that their
complaints are fully investigated. The right way to deal with their
concerns and protest is by listening to them with understanding and
compassion.
Only by addressing the problems, correcting the mistakes and abuses of
power, and by reinforcing the educational training of the army to act
only according to moral values, can we prevent the onslaught of a
protest movement.

 Vorrei studiare meglio questo aspetto,
Tra i cittadini israeliani i sottoposti agli obblighi di leva sono:
Cittadini ebrei
Cittadini Drusi
Cittadini Circassi
Gli appartenenti alle altre etnie/gruppi (arabi musulmani, arabi
cristiani, beduini) possono entrare nelle FFAA su base volontaria. I
beduini, tradizionalmente cioe' da prima del '48, prestano servizio in
discreto numero nell'IDF specialmente nelle unita' scout. I Drusi
tradizionalmente prestano servizio nella Border Police paramilitare
(quelli con il basco verde che si vedono nei TG in servizio
antisommossa).
Purtroppo non ritrovo la pagina del sito dell'IDF che descrive gli
obblighi di leva (l'ho citata in un post su ICSM tempo fa ma non con il
link completo).
Alcuni link interessanti sono i seguenti:
http://www.jpost.com/com/Archive/10.Apr.1998/News/Article-6.html
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp464.htm
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/festivls/zkatz/zk/back.html
Ciao
Ale
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*La sconfitta reclama ad alta voce perche' esige spiegazioni; mentre la
vittoria, come la carita', nasconde un gran numero di peccati*
Alfred T. Mahan

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