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Titolo: UK will work with Egypt's new rulers, says William Hague

ricordiamoci che Cameron fu il primo a recarsi in Egitto dopo la caduta 
di Mubarak, incontrò i rappresentanti dell'esercito, delle opposizioni 
eccetto quelli dei Fratelli Musulmani
 
In particolare nell'articolo:
 
""We recognise states not governments. We recognise the state of Egypt 
and we have to work with whoever is in authority in Egypt, we have to do 
that for the safety of British nationals we have to do that because 
there are so many British companies there. There isn't really any 
question of not recognising a particular government.""
 
""He said stability "comes from democratic institutions" but getting 
there could be complicated: "What's happening in the Arab Spring may 
well take a generation and there will be upheavals, there will be great 
turbulence from time to time.
 
*****"I think we have to have the strategic patience to live with that 
and work with that, and respect the fact people are having debates we 
had in Europe for hundreds of years about the role of religion in the 
state.*****""
 
""In the House of Lords, Foreign Office minister Baroness Warsi pointed 
to England's "long and bloody disputes about the role of the Church and 
the role of the state".
 
"We now require strategic patience. We have to allow this process to 
take place. Of course there will be many bumps along the way but it is 
important that all parties are allowed to take part in any democratic 
process."
 
During the exchanges on the situation in Egypt, Former Conservative 
chancellor Lord Lawson also pointed the "very slow progress towards 
democracy" over the centuries in England.""
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23175224
 
 
4 July 2013 Last updated at 11:33 GMT
UK will work with Egypt's new rulers, says William Hague
 
William Hague has said the UK "will work with the people in authority in 
Egypt" but condemned the ousting of its president as "a dangerous thing".
 
The foreign secretary told the BBC the UK wanted to see a civilian-led 
government in Egypt.
 
But he said "we have to work with whoever is in authority" to protect 
Britons and UK firms in Egypt.
 
Egypt's first democratically elected president, Mohammed Morsi, was 
ousted by its army on Wednesday night.
 
It followed mass protests against his government - elected following the 
2011 revolution and the overthrow of former president Hosni Mubarak.
 
'Dangerous precedent'
Mr Hague told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We don't support military 
intervention as a way to resolve disputes in a democratic system.
 
"It's of course a dangerous precedent to do that, if one president can 
be deposed by the military then of course another one can be in the 
future - that's a dangerous thing.
 
"It's happened, so we have to recognise now the situation will move on."
 
He said it was for political leaders and others to make sure changes 
were made to ensure the constitution and elections were respected by 
all, and improve the Egyptian economy.
 
"We recognise states not governments. We recognise the state of Egypt 
and we have to work with whoever is in authority in Egypt, we have to do 
that for the safety of British nationals we have to do that because 
there are so many British companies there. There isn't really any 
question of not recognising a particular government."
 
He said he could "make our views clear" but had to recognise it was a 
popular intervention as there had been "enormous dissatisfaction" in 
Egypt and the situation would now "move on".
 
"We don't support military interventions but we will work with the 
people in authority in Egypt."
 
Great turbulence
Mr Hague rejected suggestions that sometimes Western models of democracy 
should not replace autocratic regimes, which provided stability.
 
He said stability "comes from democratic institutions" but getting there 
could be complicated: "What's happening in the Arab Spring may well take 
a generation and there will be upheavals, there will be great turbulence 
from time to time.
 
"I think we have to have the strategic patience to live with that and 
work with that, and respect the fact people are having debates we had in 
Europe for hundreds of years about the role of religion in the state."
 
He added: "Autocracy cannot be the way of the future in the 21st Century 
and it doesn't bring stability for British interests."
 
Phase of change
Speaking during his weekly phone-in on LBC radio, Deputy Prime Minister 
Nick Clegg said the government did not support coups and wanted Egypt to 
a return to peaceful democratic government "as quickly as possible".
 
"I hope we will look back on this as a very, very painful phase of 
change for a country not accustomed to democracy and democratic transfer 
of power from one government to the other," he said.
 
For Labour, shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander said: "We do not 
support military interventions in democratic systems, and it is 
important that Egypt urgently sets out a clear and credible path back to 
democratic rule.
 
"The British Government are correct to urge all parties to avoid any 
further violence and bloodshed."
 
In the House of Lords, Foreign Office minister Baroness Warsi pointed to 
England's "long and bloody disputes about the role of the Church and the 
role of the state".
 
"We now require strategic patience. We have to allow this process to 
take place. Of course there will be many bumps along the way but it is 
important that all parties are allowed to take part in any democratic 
process."
 
During the exchanges on the situation in Egypt, Former Conservative 
chancellor Lord Lawson also pointed the "very slow progress towards 
democracy" over the centuries in England.
 
"Of course what we went through is first having freedom and the rule of 
law and then constitutional government and then democracy," he said.
 
"Democracy was the icing on the cake. There is not much point having the 
icing if you haven't got the cake."
 
In a TV address on Wednesday evening, the head of Egypt's army, Gen 
Abdul Fattah al-Sisi, announced that President Mohammed Morsi was no 
longer in office having "failed to meet the demands of the Egyptian people".
 
The constitution had been suspended and Mr Morsi's powers would be taken 
on by the chief justice of the constitutional court, he said.
 
UK Foreign Office advice urges Britons to avoid all but essential travel 
to most parts of Egypt and calls on those already there to consider 
whether they need to remain.
 
The resorts which are not covered by the advice are:
 
the entire region of Sharm El Sheikh, Taba, Nuweiba and Dahab
the St Catherine's Monastery World Heritage Site
road travel between the Red Sea resorts
road travel from the Red Sea resorts to St Catherine's Monastery 
approaching from the east
transfers between the resorts and the airports of Taba and Sharm El Sheikh

 ""We recognise states not governments.
 
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un commento veramente profondo...

 un commento veramente profondo...
 
In via del tutto eccezionale, Giovannino ha ragione: la dichiarazione di 
Cameron era ridicolmente pilatesca.
 
Carlo "Jurassic Park" 
 

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la dichiarazione di Hague (no Cameron) è tesa a sottolineare che il 
Regno Unito non ha intenzione di sostenere governi estranei alla realtà 
culturale locale. Ogni popolo compie il proprio peculiare percorso 
politico-culturale, l'Egitto deve essere lasciato compiere il cammino 
che gli spetta nel pieno rispetto delle autorità che più si confanno 
alla realtà locale in questo determinato periodo storico. Il popolo 
egiziano ha espresso chiaramente la propria intenzione di fermare la 
deriva integralista imposta dai Fratelli Musulmani facendo prevalere 
l'area laica in un Paese dove il dibattito libero sul ruolo della 
religione nello Stato è appena cominciato. Ciò va rispettato come va 
rispettato l'intervento dell'esercito. Piuttosto il Regno Unito è 
interessato che non ci siano danni all'interesse britannico nel Paese, 
piuttosto consistente fra l'altro. E' altresi vero che il Regno Unito 
non ha mai sostenuto il regime dei Fratelli Musulmani...così come non 
l'hanno mai sostenuto i Paesi del Golfo...SA in testa...