Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Europa, vecchia Europa

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On April 19, the Corfu synagogue, in Greece, was burned. How many Jews
live in Corfu today? One hundred and fifty. How many Jews live in
Greece? Eight thousand, or about 0.8% of the population. For some, it
seems these figures are still far too high. Two other synagogues were
burned in Greece during the past year. Anti-Semitic graffiti on the
walls are spreading all over the country.
What happened in Greece is happening everywhere across the European
continent.
During the last decade, synagogues were vandalized or set on fire in
Poland, Sweden, Hungary, France. Anti-Semitic inscriptions are being
drawn on building walls in Paris, Madrid, Amsterdam, London, Berlin
and Rome. Jewish cemeteries are being ransacked. Jews are being
attacked on the streets of most major cities on the continent. In the
Netherlands, the police use « decoy Jews » in order to try arrest the
perpetrators red-handed.
Jewish schools are being placed under police protection everywhere,
and are usually equipped with security gates. Jewish children in
public high schools are bullied; when parents complain, they are
encouraged to choose another place of learning for their children.
In some cities such as Malmö, Sweden, or Roubaix, France, the
persecution suffered by the Jewish community has reached such a degree
that people are selling their homes at any price and leaving. Those
who stay have the constant feeling that they are risking their lives:
they must be extremely streetwise and carry no sign showing who they
are. In 1990, approximately 2000 Jewish people lived in Malmö; now
there are fewer than 700, and the number is decreasing every year.
Jews now, in fact, have to be streetwise in all European countries:
men wearing a skullcap usually hide it under a hat or a cap. Owners of
kosher restaurants located on avenues where protests are organized
close their facilities before the arrival of the participants -- even
if the protest is about wages or retirement age. They know too well
that among the demonstrators, there will always be some who will
express their rage at the sight of a Jewish name or a star of David on
a store front. In Paris, on Labor Day, May 1st, in front of a Jewish
café on Avenue of the Republic, several hundred demonstrators stopped
and began to boo « Jews » and « Zionists ». A man coming out of the
café was assaulted until police officers arrived on the scene.
A few weeks ago in Norway, when Alan Dershowitz was banned from giving
lectures on the conflict in the Middle East, the professors who
supported the ban used anti-Semitic stereotypes in their remarks. What
happened to him is now commonplace. In many universities in Europe,
giving lectures on Jewish culture has become risky, and giving
lectures on Israel anywhere -- without being clearly « pro-Palestinian
» - is even more risky, or impossible: Once the event is announced,
the organizers and the lecturers immediately receive explicit death
threats by mail or by the internet. The day the lecture takes place, «
anti-Zionists » organize violent protests, try to prevent people from
entering the hall, and physically attack the lecturers. The only way
to avoid this type of situation is to organize the lecture by
invitation only, without ads.
After World War II, anti-Semitism seemed to disappear in Europe. It is
back, to a very disquieting degree.
Although it is not exactly the same anti-Semitism that in the 1930's,
it is not fully different.
It is an anti-Semitism that is widespread in the Muslim population
that settled in Europe, and it would be easy to think that it is
strictly an Islamic phenomenon, but the anti-Semitism as it exists
today in the Muslim world was heavily influenced by the old European
anti-Semitism. And what the Muslim immigrants bring with them can
easily find resonances in European non-Muslim populations. Copies of
fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Arabic are sold in
Islamic bookstores from one end of the continent to the other,and they
also circulate abundantly again in many European languages, under the
mantle or via internet.
It is also an anti-Semitism that allows the far right to restate its
rejection of « cosmopolitanism » -- an adjective on the European
continent that has always been used to point out the Jews -- in a
context where, because of the European economic decline, nationalist
tensions and isolationism sound more and more seductive. It is an anti-
Semitism that the left does not want to fight, because for it, the
Muslims are oppressed, and the left is always on the side of those it
defines as oppressed, whether or not the oppression is caused by the
terrible governance inside those countries, or scapegoated onto
someone else. European anti-racist movements say they are very
concerned about « Islamophobic racism », but they are totally
reluctant to discuss the anti-Semitism in the Muslim populations.
The new, current anti-Semitism now adds on to the old kind, the
demonization of the State of Israel. The Islamic view of Israel is now
the dominant view of Israel in Europe. The idea that Israel is a «
colonial power » that has « robbed » people of their land, and is an «
artificial State », even though the Jews have been on that land for
three thousand years -- and even though many states in the area, such
as Jordan and Libya, and Iraq are even more illegitimate, their
borders having been drawn on papre by the British in the 1920s -- is a
commonplace among journalists.
Hatred towards Israel is now the most widely shared sentiment among
Europeans, whatever their place on the political spectrum. It is now
through hatred of Israel, that hatred of Jews as annoying «
troublemakers » can again express itself.
European Muslim populations hate Israel and seek its destruction.
European non-Muslim people seem think that if Israel did not exist,
tensions with Muslims would be less, and they attribute to Israel all
the responsibility of the tensions, even though , since most of the
Jews have fled from countries in the Middle East, it is now the
Christian Copts in Egypt and the Christian Assyrians in Iraq who are
being attacked by Islamic mobs. As the Arabic saying goes, "First the
Saturday people, then the Sunday people."
As Israel is a Jewish state, European Jews are asked to be « good
Europeans », and to disavow Israel. If they refuse, or worse, if they
say they still support Israel, they are considered untrustworthy.
In the 1930s, Jews were accused of not being full members of the
country where they lived. Today, the same criticism rises in a
slightly different form: Jews are accused of the existence of a Jewish
state, and are suspected of being too tied to that state to be full
members of the country where they live.
More deeply, the Jews of Europe might feel that if they can paint the
Jews as evil, then perhaps what their parents and grandparents did to
them during World War II was not really so bad after all; you could
even say they deserved what they got. As some Scandinavians put it,
The Jews killed Christ; at least the Muslims did not do that.
The anti-Semitism of the 1930s led to the Holocaust, which led the
Jews to flee to Israel, the only country that would take them in and
not let shiploads of fleeing Jews sink at sea. Now, European anti-
Semitism accuses the Jews of Israel's existence, and of reminding them
of the Holocaust by remembering it themselves. Meanwhile, an
increasing number of Europeans seem quite ready for another Holocaust:
one that would be the annihilation of Israel.
If sacrificing Israel allowed non-Muslim Europeans to see Muslim anger
disappear, they would be willing to make the sacrifice immediately.
If, in order to accept the sacrifice with a clear conscience, non-
Muslim Europeans have to caricature Israel ignobly, they will -- and
do. Anti-Israel cartoons fill European newspapers from London to
Spain, and even receive awards. The Israeli army is often compared in
European media to the Nazi army. The comparison is fully playing its
role: if the Jews are Nazis today, it means that the Europeans did the
world a favor in killing six million of them, and that the Europeans
are not really guilty.
If Israel can be portrayed as a Nazi state, its destruction is
acceptable, maybe even legitimate, maybe even desirable. The fact that
Mein Kampf is a bestseller in the Palestinian territories and in most
countries of the Muslim world is totally left out, just like the fact
that many Jews living in Israel are survivors of the Holocaust
committed in Europe sixty five years ago.
A survey conducted last year for the Friederich Ebert Foundation, a
German think tank linked to Germany's Social Democratic Party, was
eloquent. To the question: « Do you think that Jews abuse their status
as victims of Nazism ? » , positive responses reached proportions
hardly imaginable: 72.2% in Poland, 48% in Germany, 40.2% in Italy,
32.3% in France. Another question, « Do you understand why people do
not like Jews », generated results that must be faced. Number of
positive responses: 55.2% in Poland, 48.9% in Germany, 40.2% in Italy.
The question was not asked in France. In several polls conducted in
Europe over the last decade, Israel was identified as the most
dangerous country for world peace, tied with Iran.
The question: « Are you anti-Semitic » was not asked anywhere. I have
no doubt that, if asked the question, those who understand that «
People do not like Jews, » and who probably do not like them either,
would have said that they were not anti-Semitic.
The question, « Do you think that Israel is conducting a war of
extermination against the Palestinians », was asked. Positive
responses : 63% in Poland, 47.7% in Germany.
Moshe Kantor, president of the European Jewish Congress, called the
poll « very disturbing. The governments of Europe, and the European
Union," he said, "would do well to wake up to this problem before it
is too late, »

 responses : 63% in Poland, 47.7% in Germany.
viva la Polonia libera dal comunismo, e con gli amici di Radio Maria
al potere!
Volete l'anticomunismo al potere? Sucatevelo tutto, conseguenze incluse

 al potere!
Radio Maria ha, come pubblico d'elezione, la classe contadina
ignorante e pigra (solitamente anche alcoolizzata) che costituiva uno
dei pilastri (a forza di sovvenzioni) durante il regime comunista.
Hanno soltanto cambiato padrone, ma sono sempre loro (infatti i
politici che sostengono fanno schifo uguale).
Per fortuna si stanno estinguendo.

 Volete l'anticomunismo al potere? Sucatevelo tutto, conseguenze incluse
 Chissa' quale sarebbe la risposta di Bombacci alla domanda di cui
sopra: « Do you think that Israel is conducting a war of
 extermination against the Palestinians »

  extermination against the Palestinians »
Quella di Radiomaria, ovviamente
-- 
Io non gufo l'Inter. Le spacco le corna.

 ignorante e pigra
non sono i contadini pigri e ignoranti che permettono a Radio Maria di
vomitare il suo antisemitismo via etere.

  extermination against the Palestinians »
semplice: no. Israele non vuole sterminare i palestinesi. Non tutti.
Quelli che basteranno a rimanere maggioranza anche quando dovranno
arrendersi all'evidenza e fare lo stato unico

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insomma, uno sterminio scientifico, pianificato ma non totale. Sei un
imbecille totale, Bombacci.

 insomma, uno sterminio scientifico
non c'è bisogno di sterminare. Per esempio, basta lavorare di
burocrazia:
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-admits-it-covertly-canceled-residency-status-of-140-000-palestinians-1.360935
ma la premeditazione sì. quella c'è, senza alcun dubbio. 140.000
persone non si cancellano da sole

 vomitare il suo antisemitismo via etere.
Ovvio che Radio Maria continuerebbe a trasmettere anche in assenza di
pubblico, no?

 non c'è bisogno di sterminare.
insomma, spiegati. Secondo te Israele sta sterminando i palestinesi,
oppure no?

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perchè ci sono autorità politiche che glielo permettono. PRIMA ancora
che ci sia un pubblico.

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quale parte di "non c'è bisogno di sterminare" non è chiara?

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quindi Israele vuole sbarazzarsi dei palestinesi, ma non ha bisogno di
sterminarli?

 sterminarli?
perchè, nel '48 gli 800.000 palestinesi che non c'erano più, erano
stati sterminati?

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Bombacci, stai secernendo nero di seppia, mentre hai avviato una
retromarcia, ma siccome sei imbecille non sei capace di fare manovra.
E intanto e' venuta allo scoperto la similitudine tra le tue idee sul
sionismo e quelle dei rozzi contadinotti polacchi. Con la differenza
che i loro pregiudizi derivano da una bestiale ignoranza in cui li
tiene uno dei cleri piu' arretrati d'Europa, invece nel tuo caso....
vabbe', forse non c'e' tutta sta differenza, ecco.
Difatti fai pena quanto loro. [la sai la storiella dell'annuncio
matrimoniale "cercasi uomo polacco che non beva"?]

 tiene uno dei cleri piu' arretrati d'Europa
clero che io ho sempre chiamato fascista. Chi invece lo finanziava
perchè, da buon clero fascista, combatteva i perfidi commie, no. Ergo
rompi il cazzo ai tuoi alleati yankee

 tant'è vero che
ora puoi andare.

 perchè ci sono autorità politiche che glielo permettono.
Ah gia`, dimenticavo che per te la liberta` di stampa e di espressione
e` un inutile vezzo della borghesia decadente :-)

 giravo con un amico ad angherizzare
ANGHERIZZARE? A SOMAROOOOOOOOOOO!

Bombacci, stai secernendo nero di seppia,
Non capisco perchè volete fare sempre le vostre citazioni del cazzo e
invece vi permettete di rubare uno slang da me introdotto sul NG
facendo finta di niente.
Sarà questione di cittadinanza?
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 Non capisco
che novita'

 Ah gia`, dimenticavo che per te la liberta` di stampa
in quale paese del mondo la libertà di espressione include la llibertà
di diffamare e di esprimere "opinioni" razziste?

 palestinesi
hard facts, Zanna, hard facts.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-admits-it-covertly-canceled-residency-status-of-140-000-palestinians-1.360935
quelli che un sostenitore di uno stato dedito ab origine alla pulizia
etnica, non può cancellare

 etnica
che poi e' quello che sostengono gli alcolizzati contadinotti
polacchi.

 che poi e' quello che sostengono
"Ethnic cleansing is not to be confused with genocide. These terms are
not synonymous, yet the academic discourse considers both as existing
in a spectrum of assaults on nations or religio-ethnic groups. Ethnic
cleansing is similar to forced deportation or 'population transfer'
whereas genocide is the "intentional murder of part or all of a
particular ethnic, religious, or national group."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
non ti intendi di differenze tra pulizia etnica e sterminio

 "Ethnic cleansing is not to be confused with genocide.
ma tu, come i contadinotti polacchi, li confondi. Avete lo stesso
nemico.

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l'hai appena fatto tu, IDIOTA.! Io so perfettamente la differenza, tu
e i tuoi omologhi polacchi no. Con la differenza che loro non hanno
studiato

  Io so perfettamente la differenza
e accusi Israele. Proprio come i contadinotti polacchi che, per
faccende di religione, sono convinti che uno Stato ebraico non debba
esistere, e se esiste e' cattivo.

 e accusi Israele.
di pulizia etnica, che è un FATTO STORICO, non di guerra di sterminio,
che è l'accusa dei polacchi. Puoi andare

 di pulizia etnica, che è un FATTO STORICO
i contadini polacchi sarebbero d'accordo con te. Questione di
religione.

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falso, visto che parlano di sterminio dei palestinesi. Ripetere una
cazzata 16 volte dimostra solo che sei un deficiente, non che il 60%
dei polacchi, che non sono solo contadini, hanno ragione.

 falso, visto che parlano di sterminio dei palestinesi.
Loro attribuiscono al sionismo intenzioni genocide, proprio come te.

 di diffamare e di esprimere "opinioni" razziste?
La censura preventiva, ovvero chiudere un giornale o impedire a
qualcuno di parlare, e` cosa ben diversa della responsabilita` a
posteriori.
Ma capisco che questa distinzione e` troppo raffinata per il
rossobruno medio.

 La censura preventiva
PREVENTIVA?

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e continui a ripetere una cazzata, io ho sempre parlato di pulizia
etnica, che NON E' genocidio. Impara la differenza, e torna quando
avrai studiato

 e continui a ripetere una cazzata, io
tu attribuisci al sionismo intenzioni genocide. O di pulizia etnica.
Insomma, secondo te i sionisti mirano a sbarazzarsi, con le buone o
con le cattive, dei nativi palestinesi.
Che e' quel che dice la radio polacca. Laicissima, eh.

 tu attribuisci al sionismo intenzioni genocide. O di pulizia etnica.
nessun O. Solo la seconda. E non lo dice la radio polacca, lo dicono
gli hard facts. Gli 800.000 (troppo pochi per chi ne ha parlato per la
prima volta, in Israele, ovvero il sionistissmo Benny Morris)
palestinesi cacciati 60 anni fa, e i 140.000 cancellati oggi

 nessun O. Solo la seconda.
quindi secondo te il sionismo ha l'obiettivo di far sparire i
palestinesi dalla loro Patria. Lo sai che i contadini polacchi sono
d'accordo con te, vero? E non perche' siano comunisti.

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Sei tu che proponi la chiusura della radio.

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DOPO che hanno detto infamie antisemite, non prima

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no, loro parlano di sterminio. Voi vi accontentereste di spostarli...

 DOPO che hanno detto infamie antisemite, non prima
Se ne occupi il tribunale.
Il problema non e` cosa dicono, ma chi li sta a sentire, ovvero una
massa di zotici ubriaconi abituati a vivere da bruti a foraggiati da
chi gli comprava il consenso in cambio di qualche elemosina.
Comunisti in primis.

 ma chi li sta a sentire, ovvero una massa di zotici ubriaconi
ti faccio un ripassino del sondaggio:
« Do you think that Jews abuse their status as victims of Nazism ?
» ,
positive responses: 72.2% in Poland
« Do you understand why people do not like Jews », Number of positive
responses: 55.2% in Poland,
 « Do you think that Israel is conducting a war of extermination
against the Palestinians » Positive responses : 63% in Poland
a meno che non si voglia sostenere che oltre i due terzi dei polacchi
siano contadini ubriaconi, non vedo proprio come si possa negare la
pericolosità di RM

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ecco, questa e' una cazzata che i contadinotti polacchi condividono.

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falso. I contadinotti (e non solo loro) parlano di sterminio

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Lascia perdere, Bombacci. Tu, quanto loro, demonizzi il sionismo. Per
questo tu, quanto loro, sei destinato a mangiarti il fegato da qui
all'eternita'.

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si stava parlando di palestinesi, o sbaglio?

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no, di ebrei. Ai polacchi, come a te dal resto, frega un cazzo dei
palestinesi.

 no, di ebrei
no, di sionisti. Non c'è coincidenza.

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sei buffo quando provi a fare il probiviro dei cazzi altrui.