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Troppi.
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MMAX
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in Russia c'è la censura

in Russia c'è la censura
Sergio?
Un commento a caldo grazie.
MMAX
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questo, che non troverai sul goebbelsblog del nazista di corso magenta
The Killing of Civilians in Beit Hanun is a War Crime 
Israeli artillery shells struck a residential neighborhood in Beit Hanun,
Gaza Strip, early Wednesday morning, killing 18 civilians, including 7
minors, and wounding some 40 others. The Israeli military contended that
the artillery fire was aimed at the place from which Qassam rockets were
fired at Ashkelon yesterday, an area about half a kilometer from where the
shells actually landed. The IDF said that human or technical error caused
the shells to strike the houses. The Minister of Defense has ordered an
investigation into the incident. 
Even according to the military, the shelling was not defensive; it was not
aimed at Palestinian fire or Qassam rocket-fire that was in progress. The
artillery was aimed at what the IDF refers to as a "launching space,"
i.e., an area from which the army believes that Qassams had previously
been fired. 
Shells fired from cannons several kilometers away are known and expected
to occasionally miss their target by a few hundred meters. For this
reason, it is especially likely that such weapons will harm civilians when
they are fired towards or near densely-populated residential areas.
Several such cases have occurred over the past year, and it was to be
expected that they could recur. 
Moreover, in April 2006, it was reported that the IDF reduced – from 300
meters to 100 meters – the "safety range" between populated areas in the
Gaza Strip and the areas targeted for artillery fire. Six human rights
organization, B'Tselem among them, warned about the great risk inherent in
the decision, contending it would lead to the injury of innocent
civilians. The organizations petitioned the High Court of Justice to order
the IDF to cancel the decision. The High Court has not yet ruled in the
matter. 
It is still unclear if the deaths this morning resulted from the inherent
inaccuracy of artillery or from technical or human error. However, massive
shelling towards a densely-populated area carries a high risk of civilian
casualties. Therefore, as discussed below, such shelling should be
avoided, unless there is no alternative in defending against attack. 
The principle of discrimination, one of the pillars of international
humanitarian law, requires that all parties to a conflict attack only
legitimate military objects. According to the principle of
proportionality, it is forbidden to launch an attack, even if aimed at a
legitimate military object, if the attack is expected to cause injury to
civilians that would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct
military advantage anticipated. These two principles lead to the
prohibition on using a means of warfare which, under the circumstances, is
likely to cause disproportionate injury to civilians. Launching of such
attacks is deemed a grave breach of international humanitarian law and a
war crime. 
The circumstances involved in the killing of the Palestinians in Beit
Hanun, including the fact that the attack was not a defensive action,
raise a grave concern that the shelling constitutes a war crime. The
Israeli military's contention that they did not mean to harm civilians is
meaningless, and cannot justify an action that amounts to a war crime. An
investigation conducted by military officials subject to the same chain of
command responsible for the action cannot serve as a substitute for a
criminal investigation. B'Tselem today wrote to the Israeli Judge Advocate
General, demanding that he immediately order a Military Police
investigation into the incident, with the objective of prosecuting those
responsible for the killings in Beit Hanun. 
-- 
[si parla della censura sulla strage israeliana di Beit Hanoun sul blog di
tonibaruch]
[sergio]: da perfetto goebbelsuccio quale sei, meglio non parlarne cosi'
nessuno la ricorderà
[Tonibaruch] :  Vero
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The Killing of Civilians in Beit Hanun is a War Crime 
Il punto non è cosa tb abbia potuto piu' o meno pubblicare e l'uso
sconsiderato che stai facendo in questo momento di questi morti..
Ma i fatti, che parlano da soli.
Ti dico sergio...è un crimine e non esiste nessuna giustificazione
tecnica o strategica possibile per quanto avvenuto. 
L'uso indiscriminato [ e parlo indiscriminato non in assoluto, sia
chiaro Israele ha il diritto e dovere di difendere se' stesso] della
forza ha fallito.
Stop, non ho altro da dire se non continuare a portare quel nanogrammo
di contributo sul mio lato affinchè si vada avanti ponendo
intelligenza e dialogo di fronte alle armi.
Se possibile, chiaramente...perchè ricordiamoci sempre che [come
scrive giustamente Paolo Levi Sandri su IPII] chi spara da un
territorio che ha una densita' abitativa di un abitante ogni 17 metri
quadrati..è una testa di cazzo tanto e quanto il puntatore di un
cannone che fa la cazzata su ordine di una testa di cazzo.
Ad ognuno cio' che gli pertiene, sempre.
MMAX
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 cannone che fa la cazzata su ordine di una testa di cazzo.
è una testa di cazzo certamente.
Ma leggi con attenzione cosa ha scritto B'Tselem :
Even according to the military, the shelling was not defensive; it was not
aimed at Palestinian fire or Qassam rocket-fire that was in progress. The
artillery was aimed at what the IDF refers to as a "launching space,"
i.e., an area from which the army believes that Qassams had previously
been fired. 
Shells fired from cannons several kilometers away are known and expected
to occasionally miss their target by a few hundred meters. For this
reason, it is especially likely that such weapons will harm civilians when
they are fired towards or near densely-populated residential areas.
Several such cases have occurred over the past year, and it was to be
expected that they could recur. 
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è una testa di cazzo certamente.
Questo chiude il discorso.
Se la pensi cosi' ogni considerazione ulteriore è accessoria/inutile.
MMAX
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 Questo chiude il discorso.
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> Questo chiude il discorso.
Il resto l'hai cuttato.
Se si stabilisce che c'e' un gesto *comunque* irresponsabile [da un
alto op dall'altro]  ogni ulteriore considerazione è speculazione.
Questo sergio..è inammissibile in tutte le prospettive.
Ripeto considera queste mie parole in senso generale..aldila' del
merito/posizioni di questa discussione.
Insomma nulla di personale.
MMAX
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 Insomma nulla di personale.
Quoto
Si parla troppo solo di quando i morti sono palestinesi? la mia personale
convinzione è che se ne parli troppo, ma in senso negativo, se si esamina i
post mi pare che si tiri a offendersi l'un l'altro, su qualunque questione
si discuta e ci resti più facile il dileggio del momentaneo avversario che
la voglia di discutere di argomenti che dovrebbero avere una certa serietà e
rispetto.
nessuno degli user ne è immune.
Pomero

nessuno degli user ne è immune.
Quoto
MMAX
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