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Titolo: Police shot Brazilian eight times (BBC)

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Am.
 Police shot Brazilian eight times
 
Mr Menezes had been in London for more than three years
The man mistaken for a suicide bomber by police was shot eight times, an 
inquest into his death has heard. 
Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head 
and once in the shoulder, at Stockwell Tube station, south London, on 
Friday.
Det Insp Elizabeth Baker revealed the details at a hearing in London.
Security sources have said Mr Menezes had been in the UK on an 
out-of-date student visa, but his family deny this and are considering 
suing the police.
Mr Menezes' cousin, Alex Pereira, who is based in London, said the 
police would "kill thousands of people" if they were not held 
accountable for what had happened at Stockwell.
 
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He said: "They just kill the first person they see, that's what they 
did. They killed my cousin, they could kill anyone."
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) will investigate the 
shooting.
Nick Hardwick, head of the IPCC, said the commission needs to find out 
the truth of what happened "to ensure it can never happen again".
He said that "if people haven't acted in accordance with the law and 
their training" they would be held accountable.
Tony Blair said he was "desperately sorry" an innocent man had lost his 
life.
Suspects named 
Meanwhile, detectives are still hunting for the men who attempted to 
blow up three London Tube trains and a bus last Thursday.
   Consider the choice that faced police officers at Stockwell last 
Friday - and be glad you did not have to take it  
Ken Livingstone
London mayor
A total of five people have been arrested in connection with the 
attempted bombings and the police have named two suspects.
Muktar Said-Ibrahim, also known as Muktar Mohammed-Said, is suspected of 
attempting to bomb the Number 26 bus heading towards Hackney, in east 
London.
Yasin Hassan Omar, 24, is wanted in connection with an attempting 
bombing on the Victoria line between Oxford Circus and Warren Street 
stations.
There is also speculation about a fifth bomber, following the discovery 
of a backpack containing a device in a west London park on Saturday.
Under surveillance 
The prime minister said it was right for Britain to express its "sorrow 
and deep sympathy" to Mr Menezes' family.
But he said the police must be supported in doing their job.
He added that they would have been criticised had the suspect turned out 
to be a terrorist and they had failed to take action.
 
Mr Menezes' cousin says the police "must pay"
London Mayor Ken Livingstone described Mr Menezes as a "victim of the 
terrorist attacks".
He said: "Consider the choice that faced police officers at Stockwell 
last Friday - and be glad you did not have to take it."
On Friday morning, Mr Menezes had left his flat in Tulse Hill and 
boarded a bus towards Stockwell Tube station to go to work.
He had been followed by police, who had his block of flats under 
surveillance in the hunt for the group behind Thursday's attempted 
bombings.
When he was challenged by police in the Tube station, he fled, 
reportedly leaping the ticket barrier.
   If you are going to have a war on terror, you have got to use brains 
to fight it not just brute force  
Maria do Socorro
Over the past year there have been an increased number of immigration 
checks at Tube stations - a policy widely reported in Brazilian papers 
in London.
Police chased him on to a Tube train where he was shot dead.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission has opened an investigation 
into the circumstances surrounding the death.
Cancer treatment 
In Brazil, relatives are demanding answers to why Mr Menezes ran and why 
he was shot by police.
Cousin Maria do Socorro, speaking before details about the visa emerged, 
said she thought the police had acted "like amateurs".
She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "If you are going to have a war 
on terror, you have got to use brains to fight it not just brute force."
Friends of Mr Menezes in London said he had recently returned to Brazil 
for eight months to be with his father, who was being treated for cancer.
Fausto Soares, 26, said Mr Menezes had been sending money to pay for the 
treatment and was concerned how the family would now cope financially.
BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the type of visa Mr 
Menezes had been given would normally be valid for one-and-a-half to two 
years.
He said Mr Menezes had not renewed the visa, adding: "That wouldn't 
explain why he was shot, but it might provide an explanation as to why 
he ran away if - that is indeed what he did do."

 Am.
#_Sarebbe interessante conoscere esattamente la dinamica di questo
incidente, perche` un colpo alla schiena o spalla e`sufficiente ad
immobilizzare per lo shock chiunque, perlomeno per il tempo necessario di
proseguire ad immobilizzarlo completamente.
Facile a dirsi per me, certo, ma credo che poliziotti armati in borghese
hanno il dovere di rimanere freddi e lucidi...i restanti "sette" colpi in
testa, purtroppo, dimostrano il contrario.
_E cosi`do addio a una grossa fetta di Londra che amavo; a quella Londra coi
Bobby disarmati; a quella Londra epětome di internazionalita` e
multiculturalismo; alla Londra esempio di liberta` di espressione dell'uomo
comune.
Giano

The man mistaken for a suicide bomber by police was shot eight times,
Pero' non cita nessuna fonte a conferma di questo.
-Stefano

 Giano
Saranno 50 anni che manchi da Londra? Consolati le tradizioni si sono 
sicuramente trasferite alle antipodi.
Ma tu alzi il calice alla regina oppure no? Il sospetto e' forte...
Am.

 Giano
Saranno 50 anni che manchi da Londra? Consolati le tradizioni si sono 
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Conan Doyle e' morto, altrimenti ti avrebbe potuto aiutare lui.
Am.

Conan Doyle e' morto, altrimenti ti avrebbe potuto aiutare lui.
Mi sa che avrebbe potuto aiutare te a capire una cosa cosi' semplice.
Ma d'altronde un sacco di persone, come Pitagora, sono morte ma a
qualcuno hanno lasciato qualcosa.  A te invece sembra che purtroppo non
hanno lasciato proprio nulla.
-Stefano

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Aves de volo cuerto, mh?
Am.

 Aves de volo cuerto, mh?
C.V.D.
-Stefano

 -Stefano
E un bel chissenefrega ce lo possiamo aggiungere per coronare il tutto?
Am.

tutto?
Se non frega a te fare la figura del pirla, a me frega ancor meno :)
-Stefano

 Saranno 50 anni che manchi da Londra? 
50 anni fa Londra era "epětome di internazionalita` e multiculturalismo""???
Palmiro Pangloss
-- 
"But, Michael, if you ever show up at my front door with a camera I'll 
kill you."
Clint Eastwood to Michael Moore
National Board of Review awards dinner at the Tavern on the Green, New 
York, NY 11.01.05

"amalric" <ama...@TOGLIMIalice.it> wrote in message
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#_Percarita`!... Bando al sarcasmo, non parliamo di tradizioni trasferite.
E  sě, perche`il colonialismo britannico  e` sempre riuscito a creare, coi
poveri emigrati, brutte copie di madre patria Britannia.
I primi superstiti di un viaggio per mare di due mesi, sbarcati nell'-Isola
della lunga "fame" bianca-, erano perlopiu`magrissimi mangiatori di patate
putrefatte, della grande fame irlandese; sicuramente per quella fame
iniziale son riusciti a costruire un paese che esporta cibo, panetti di
burro a mitraglia e tanta cultura Maori...then Stop! ( malgrado Giannozzo e
la sua arte si sforzino di rinverdire le fronde della Gloria).
_Questo mio statement, caro amalric, non e`del tutto personale e si potrebbe
allacciare benissimo al post sull'Illuminismo made in Europe di cui noi
abbiamo piu` che sufficientemente goduto i fasti, ma lucidate malamente ( e
molto malamente) le nostre stellette d'oro.
Deh! Torniamo indietro ad un Primitivismo totale, nella vita quotidiana e
nell'arte possibilmente, chč le grotte di Lascaux coi suoi buoi e asini ci
insegnano molto di piu` di Dececere!
Giano

 Palmiro Pangloss
#_Ce manca solo l'aggettivo "felice".
Giano

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#_Deh! Mia amata LOLlona...cosa lascerai tu oltreche` un bue e un asino?
G.   rrrr

 Giano
Questa polemica sull'illuminismo non l'ho seguita causa crash del comp.
Ricordo piuttosto che all'inzio del secolo scorso in Francia vi fu un 
magico momento in cui la scoperta di Lascaux, quelle sugli alienati 
della Salpetriere e la pubblicazione di Ubu Re si susseguirono a breve 
distanza. Forse siamo alla vigilia di uno di questi magici momenti di 
rivelazione patafisica...
Am.

 #_Ce manca solo l'aggettivo "felice".
Hai esagerato con la grappa di kiwi.
Palmiro Pangloss

 rivelazione patafisica...
#_Piantala coi sarcasmi! ;)
E`pronto un evento catalizzatore che segni il passo di una reale evoluzione
dell'uomo?...
Per saperlo fatti appartenente alla Phoenix, in attesa delle rivelazioni del
Gran Maestro. ;)
Giano

 #_Ce manca solo l'aggettivo "felice".
Hai esagerato con la grappa di kiwi.
Palmiro Pangloss
#_Aggiungi cinque corde a quella chitarra Santi'.
G.

 Palmiro Pangloss
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lol
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