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Thatcher stands by Pinochet 
Baroness Thatcher thanked Pinochet for his help in the Falklands 
Baroness Thatcher has visited General Pinochet at the home where he is
staying under house arrest near London - and talked of the "debt" she
believes the UK owes him. 
 
The former UK prime minister met with the one-time Chilean dictator in a
rare public appearance televised live from the house in Wentworth, Surrey. 
General Pinochet is staying in the rented mansion during his legal battle
to avoid extradition to Spain. 
 
Joshua Rozenberg reports: "The photo opportunity we'd waited five months
to see" 
Lady Thatcher thanked her old friend for being an ally during the 1982
Falklands War - and for "bringing democracy to Chile". 
"I know how much we owed to you for your help," she said. 
"The information you gave us, communications, and also the refuge you gave
to any of our armed forces who were able, if they were shipwrecked, to
make their way to Chile." 
 
Pinochet's wife was present 
She added: "I'm also very much aware that it is you who brought democracy
to Chile, you set up a constitution suitable for democracy, you put it
into effect, elections were held, and then, in accordance with the result,
you stepped down." 
General Pinochet said it was an honour to have Lady Thatcher there at the
"simple house" on the estate, and thanked her for her "kindness". 
Seated in a chair and clutching a cane, he told her in Spanish, "This is a
small house, but it is full of gratitude to you. It is only a small way to
thank you for all your kindness." 
She said she was glad he was "comfortable". 
No absolute immunity 
The televised interview marks the first time the 83-year-old has been seen
in public since his arrest on 16 October. 
 
Margaret Thatcher thanks Pinochet for bringing a new era of democracy to
Chile 
Spain is seeking to try him on charges alleging human rights violations
during his 1973-1990 regime. 
On Wednesday, the House of Lords ruled that Pinochet had no absolute
immunity from arrest as a former head of state. 
 
Campaigners say Lady Thatcher is "wrong" 
But the Lords also threw out almost all the charges levelled against him,
since they pre-dated Britain's adoption of an international law allowing
any nation to try anyone accused of torture. 
That left the Spanish case against him consisting of only one count each
of torture, conspiracy to torture and murder conspiracy. 
However, Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon on Friday added 30 more cases of
torture and murder to the extradition charge sheet against Mr Pinochet. 
Immediately after Wednesday's ruling, Pinochet's lawyers filed an appeal
of Home Secretary Jack Straw's December decision to allow Spain's
extradition request to go forward. 
 
Diplomatic Editor Brian Hanrahan: "Meeting aimed at stepping up pressure
on Jack Straw" 
The High Court will consider that appeal on Monday. 
Lady Thatcher has campaigned for his release ever since his arrest in
London. 
Pinochet was an annual visitor to her home in London after he stepped down
from power in 1990, always sending flowers and chocolates on his arrival
in England. 
Days before his arrest he was invited for tea at the former premier's
home. 
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 Baroness Thatcher thanked Pinochet for his help in the Falklands
Toh! Proprio quello che avevo scritto. Grazie Sergio.
Palmiro Pangloss

 Toh! 
But it is General Pinochet's adoption of the ideas expressed by the
American economist Milton Friedman that is believed to have had the
greatest impact on Baroness Thatcher. 
The general seized power in 1973 from the Marxist government of Salvador
Allende and immediately overturned its state controls in favour of a
programme of sweeping privatisations in accordance with Friedman's free
market thinking. 
It won Baroness Thatcher's admiration and, to some extent emulation in the
reforms she brought in as prime minister. 
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 American economist Milton Friedman
Ecco, questo e' falso come chiunque conosca il pensiero di Friedman, ed
i suoi discorsi tenuti in Cile dopo il golpe, ben sa.
Palmiro Pangloss

 i suoi discorsi tenuti in Cile dopo il golpe, ben sa.
Non li conosco. Sai dove trovarli?
Tb
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[Tb] :
Il dovere di un comunista sarebbe quello di formare un cordone sanitario
attorno alla feccia nazi
[.sergio.]
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Il mio blog: 
www.tonibaruch.blogspot.com

 Non li conosco. Sai dove trovarli?
Ti mando qualcosa in serata, qui non ho i riferimenti. Riassumendo:
s'e' espresso chiaramente in discorsi pubblici all'universita' di
Santiago contro ogni forma di autoritarismo, coerentemente con le
proprie idee.
Palmiro Pangloss

Palmiro Pangloss wrote:
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In effetti solo un somaro può non capire che il pensiero di Friedman, per quanto 
criticabile possa essere, è un pensiero antiautoritario. Al limite 
dell'anarcocapitalismo.
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 proprie idee.
Mandali anche a me please. Io ho in mente un articolo di Barro che sbavava 
dietro a Pinochet per avere realizzato in terra il paradiso monetarista di 
Friedman.

 criticabile possa essere, è un pensiero antiautoritario.
Sara', ma Friedman, con le sue azioni piu' che con le parole, ha
chiaramente fatto vedere che
alcuni autoritarismi sono molto peggio di altri.
Da
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20061117110519906
Friedman defended his relationship with Pinochet by saying that if
Allende had been allowed to remain in office Chileans would have
suffered "the elimination of thousands and perhaps mass starvation . .
. torture and unjust imprisonment." But the elimination of thousands,
mass hunger, torture and unjust imprisonment were what was taking place
in Chile exactly at the moment the Chicago economist was defending his
protégé. Allende's downfall came because he refused to betray Chile's
long democratic tradition and invoke martial law, yet Friedman
nevertheless insisted that the military junta offered "more room for
individual initiative and for a private sphere of life" and thus a
greater "chance of a return to a democratic society."
GT

 dell'anarcocapitalismo.
Va bene, ragazzi, ma uno scrupolo di fondo, secondo il mio modesto parere,
Friedman & Chicago Boys avrebbero dovuto averlo, non trovate?
E invece no: Friedman ha sempre dato del comunista a chiunque gli
contestasse il suo ruolo di advisor di un feroce e sanguinario dittatore.

 contestasse il suo ruolo di advisor di un feroce e sanguinario dittatore.
Chissà perché però nessuno gli ha mai contestato le consulenze date al
partito comunista cinese per le aperture liberiste del regime.
Ed è indubbio che l'economia cilena oggi sia la più stabile del
sudamerica, considerando lo sfascio economico causato dagli espropri di
Allende.
-- 
Tobe Bofh

 partito comunista cinese per le aperture liberiste del regime.
Tranquillo: considero il regime cinese un tra i più medievali ed
obbrobriosi attualmente in essere.
Chissà perchè nessuno dei grandi esportatori di democrazia la pianta di
leccare il culo a quel regime, piuttosto, eh?

 contestasse il suo ruolo di advisor di un feroce e sanguinario dittatore.
Friedman non era un advisor della giunta di Pinochet, ha solo tenuto in
Cile un breve ciclo di conferenze nel '75. Conferenze nelle quali
ovviamente propagandava le sue idee in tema di gestione dell'economia ma
anche delle liberta' dei cittadini, dicendo chiaramente che la liberta'
politica e' un prerequisito essenziale delle liberta' economiche.
I cosidetti Chicago Boys erano laureati cileni a Chicago nel quadro di
accordi tra l'universita' cattolica di Santiago (mi pare, prendila con le
molle) e l'Universita' di Chicago. Accordi presistenti al golpe.
Palmiro Pangloss
-- 
Fight Integralism, Buy LEGO.
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 criticabile possa essere, è un pensiero antiautoritario.
l'articolo iniziale è della BBC, coglionazzo ungherese. E tu che ne
sai del pensiero di Friedman poi?