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Ralph Nader . il quinto asso sempre presente nella manica dei repubblicani.
"I plan to get as many votes for him as possible because it will take the 
votes away from (Barack) Obama, and that is where we have the agreement,' 
the congressman said. (~ Ron Paul)
DEMOCRATICI!!! E`ora di giocare col revolver sotto il tavolo!
G.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/ron_paul_nader_votes_rock_the.html
by Mark Silva
Now that Ron Paul, the rejected Republican candidate for president and 
longtime congressman from Texas, is calling on the forces of the "Ron Paul 
Revolution'' to rise up and vote for a third-party candidate in November, 
he's refraining from personally endorsing the best-known of those 
third-party contenders yet rallyng votes for him.
Appearing alongside Ralph Nader in CNN's Situation Room, Paul maintained 
that no one should read any personal endorsement into this.
"No. Ralph is a good friend, but we agree on tactics and what we're doing --  
we agree on these very important issues, but quite frankly, he probably 
wouldn't have joined my campaign and I probably won't join his,'' Paul told 
CNN's Wolf Blitzer.
"So you won't vote for him?'' Blitzer asked.
"No, I don't plan to,'' Paul replied.
"Who do you want to vote for?''
"I plan to get as many votes for him as possible because it will take the 
votes away from (Barack) Obama, and that is where we have the agreement,' 
the congressman said.
"So you want to stop Obama, is that what you're saying?' Blitzer pressed.
"Well, no. I want to change the system. I want -- I want Ralph Nader and the 
third party candidates, all of them, to be in the debate. I mean, that's the 
only debate. There's no debate going on. This is a ritual. This is 
charade.''
Doesn't this reinforce the notion that candidates such as Nader, running as 
an independent candidate, and former Georgia congressman Bob Barr, running 
as the Libertarian candidate and the Green Party's Rep. Cynthia McKinney are 
simply spoilers?
"I say two things,'' Nader said. "They're factually wrong about 2000. If you 
asked Al Gore why he lost, he'll say it was the Electoral College because he 
won the popular vote and it was stolen from him in a whole variety of ways 
before, during and after Election Day from Tallahassee to the five 
politicians on the Supreme Court.
"Now, I have news for you. The last four major polls, when they poll Obama 
and (John) McCain, and then they poll Obama, McCain and they put 
Nader/Gonzalez in the poll, McCain does worse. Does worse.''
No spoilers here, right?
For more see the transcript, courtesy of CNN, here:
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Let's talk about what's going on right now with 
third party candidates. Joining us here in THE SITUATION ROOM is Ron Paul, 
the congressman himself, and he's here together with the Independent 
presidential candidate, Ralph Nader.
Gentlemen, thanks very much for coming in.
REP. RON PAUL (R), TEXAS: You're welcome.
BLITZER: Tell our viewers, Congressman, why you decided to reject your 
fellow Republican, John McCain.
PAUL: He doesn't represent anything I believe in. You know, I represent
-- I believe what Republicans should believe, and I campaigned on that and 
got a lot of support. But I can't support somebody that virtually disagrees 
with all my positions.
BLITZER: What about Barack Obama?
PAUL: Well I don't think he agrees any more, so -- and I don't see any 
difference between the two candidates. I know there's a lot -- you have to 
have a horse race going on, you have to talk about something. But really, 
there's no difference. And that was part of -- we think the system is very 
biased. We don't -- our system doesn't allow alternative candidates, third 
party candidates, but the debate isn't there either because they pick on 
little things and the issues that we picked out we hardly hear anything from 
the candidates --
BLITZER: So is it fair to say -- you're saying you want a third party 
candidate to win. Would that candidate be the man sitting next to you right 
here in THE SITUATION ROOM, Ralph Nader?
PAUL: No. Ralph is a good friend, but we agree on tactics and what we're 
doing -- we agree on these very important issues, but quite frankly, he 
probably wouldn't have joined my campaign and I probably won't join his.
BLITZER: So you won't vote for him?
PAUL: No, I don't plan to.
BLITZER: Who do you want to vote for?
PAUL: I plan to get as many votes for him as possible because it will take 
the votes away from Obama, and that is where we have the agreement.
BLITZER: So you want to stop Obama, is that what you're saying?
PAUL: Well, no. I want to change the system. I want -- I want Ralph Nader 
and the third party candidates, all of them, to be in the debate.
I mean, that's the only debate. There's no debate going on. This is a 
ritual. This is charade.
BLITZER: OK. Let's bring in Ralph Nader.
What's your goal right now? You're not going to be elected president of the 
United States. You know that, Ron Paul knows that. What is your goal in 
aligning yourself, in effect, with Ron Paul?
RALPH NADER, INDEPENDENT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well if we're in the 
presidential debates, it might be a Jesse Ventura, three-way race. But
-- yet today, we put together --
BLITZER: Three presidential debates, but the Presidential Debate Commission 
has set a bar that's pretty hard for you to overcome.
NADER: Yes, since it's controlled by the two parties, as you know.
Today I think is an historic day because we, Ron Paul and the candidate for 
the Green Party, the candidate for the Constitutional Party, and me, and Bob 
Barr, agreed on four major areas: foreign policy -- get the soldiers back, 
end the war in Iraq, stop being imperialistic, privacy, deal with the repeal 
of the Patriot Act; the revision of FISA -- Military Commissions Act and you 
know, get rid of torture; and a third is the national debt. Deficits are now 
used for reckless government adventurism. The --
BLITZER: The national debt has nearly doubled over the last --
NADER: Yes, and the Iraq war is financed from deficit spending.
BLITZER: And the fourth issue?
NADER: And the fourth issue is the Federal Reserve is now a government 
within a government. It is totally out of control. Congress doesn't control 
it. It's funded by the banks. And we either have constitutional government 
or we don't because of this. Well -- here's the question: Is there anything 
left for the American people to decide about their country?
BLITZER: Here is what the CNN Opinion Research/"TIME" magazine poll shows in 
two key battleground states right now. In Michigan, 45 Obama,
42 McCain, Ralph Nader, 6 percent, Bob Barr, 2 percent, Cynthia McKinney, 1 
percent.
In New Hampshire, another battleground state, Obama 48, McCain, 43 percent, 
Nader, 4 percent, Bob Barr, 2 percent.
You know the accusations, Ralph Nader, that were leveled against you in 2000 
that you stole the election, in effect, from Al Gore. He would have carried 
Florida if you had not been a candidate. He got 90,000-plus votes in 
Florida. He lost by 500 votes.
What do you say to those people who are saying you're just trying to spoil 
this election right now for Barack Obama?
NADER: I say two things. They're factually wrong about 2000. If you asked Al 
Gore why he lost, he'll say it was the Electoral College because he won the 
popular vote and it was stolen from him in a whole variety of ways before, 
during and after Election Day from Tallahassee to the five politicians on 
the Supreme Court. Now, I have news for you.
The last four major polls, when they poll Obama and McCain, and then they 
poll Obama, McCain and they put Nader/Gonzalez in the poll, McCain does 
worse. Does worse.
BLITZER: But you think your presence hurts McCain more than Obama?
NADER: That's what the polls say, and it's explained on our Web site, 
votenader.org
.
PAUL: I have no idea. We have to wait and see.
But some people say, well, you're going to hurt McCain. And -- I'm not 
hurting anybody. But, I expect that they'll be as many votes, maybe they 
will come from the liberals that will vote --
BLITZER: Ron Paul, you and I --
NADER: The two parties are hurting our country.
BLITZER: I want both of you to answer honestly. Both of you are straight 
forward. You have nothing to hide. Give me your honest assessment right now. 
Who is the lesser of two evils right now, John McCain or Barack Obama?
PAUL: I don't do that. Evil is evil. If you vote for one that you think is a 
little less, actually, you get tricked into that. You think that you vote 
for a Republican, to balance the budget and they are worse than the 
Democrats. That's what the people are sick and tired of. You vote for the 
Democrats, they end the war and they expand the war as much as the 
Republicans.
BLITZER: I'll rephrase the question for Ralph then. Who's the lesser of two 
bads right now?
NADER: The lesser of two bads is not good enough for the American people. We 
need the best.
BLITZER: But, do you agree? You've been watching politics all these years. 
It's unrealistic to assume a third party candidate is going be elected 
president of the United States.
NADER: No, we can push the two parties to address what's troubling the 
American people. Economically, politically, socially, for their children and 
the world.
BLITZER: So your goal is to get these four issues on the agenda and on these 
four issues that you're talking about, who's better? Which of these two 
presidential candidates?
NADER: They're both bad on these four issues.
The great Constitutional question's about who's going to run this country in 
all kinds of ways. The people or the domination of the corporations of our 
government are off the table from McCain and Obama.
BLITZER: One final question for Ron Paul.
You say, you're not necessarily going to vote for Ralph Nader, but you want 
a lot of your supporters to vote for Ralph Nader.
Will you go out there and do what you so successfully did during the primary 
campaign? Raise money on the internet for these third party candidates?
PAUL: Probably not. Because it's tough raising money for somebody else.
We're doing this for some congressional candidates and it's not as easy as 
when you're the candidate himself.
So, I don't think I will do that. But, I want to be engaged in the issues 
and try to push this country. But, I really want American people to wake up 
and challenge the system. You can't get on debates, you can't on the 
ballots, the parties are the same. There's really no choice in the system. 
We don't have good Democratic process here. We go to overseas to fight wars 
to promote democracy.
At the same time, we listen to these glib debates going on that's really 
irrelevant to these four important issues. That's what our goal is.
NADER: Our majority support --
BLITZER: And we're going to focus in on those issues because we want to make 
sure that we get to the bottom of these critical issues for all of our 
views.
Ron Paul, Ralph Nader. Thanks for coming in.
PAUL: Thank you, Wolf.
BLITZER: Some might say you're the ultimate odd couple but I'll leave that 
for some of the commentators and the pundits.
NADER: Talk to the American people.
BLITZER: We'll see what they say.
NADER: The Constitutional safe guards. That's the key here.
BLITZER: Thanks, guys.


Non so se siete ancora in tempo (senno' sara` per la prossima)
io pagherei con parte di tutte i $ ricavati dai sostegni pubblici (parecchi 
a quanto si dice) e preparerei una campagna, per un quarto candidato 
estratto dalla fogna del KKK.
G. 

 candidato estratto dalla fogna del KKK.
Perchč...il KKK č di area democratica? ;-)
Beh..in effetti..alla Clinton, il capuccione bianco, donerebbe molto
Ciao! 

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#_Nader raccoglie di certo i voti dei demo piu`a sinistra come il 
giornalista W.Blum afferma che lo voterebbe ( vedi il post di 
Giovanni2"OBAMA E L'IMPERO")...di contro un cappuccione roderebbe quei voti 
dell'ultra destra rep. dei KKK.
G. 

 quei voti dell'ultra destra rep. dei KKK.
Aaaaaaaaahhh...ok, mi era sfuggito il "quarto candidato".
Ciao!