Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Affari personali di B. in Russia

Cominciamo ad avere anche nomi e cognomi, ora. Ed anche un triste quadro 
(questo, effettivamente, noto) della squallida figura del nostro mde.
Namib
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http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/01/09ROME97.html
Â¶5. (C/NF) While Italy's political parties, the MFA and ENI
exert some influence on Italy's Russia policy, by far the most importan
factor is the personal attention Putin devotes to the relationship.
By our reckoning, Putin has held more bilateral meetings with
sitting Italian PMs in the recent past than any other world leader.
He was the first world leader to meet with Berlusconi after the 2008
elections, arriving in Sardegna to visit the PM designate
before the latter had even been sworn in.  Berlusconi believes that
Putin is his close and personal friend and continues to have more
contact with Putin than with any other world leader.  During the Georgi
crisis, Berlusconi spoke to Putin on a daily basis for a period of
almost a week.  The basis of the friendship is hard to determine, but
many interlocutors have told us that Berlusconi believes that
Putin, a fellow 'tycoon', trusts Berlusconi more than other European
leader. (A contact in the PM's office told us that their frequent
meetings are accompanied by exchanges of lavish gifts).  Berlusconi
admires Putin's macho, decisive, and authoritarian governing style,
which the Italian PM believes matches his own. From the Russian side,
it appears that Putin has devoted much energy to developing
Berlusconi's trust.
Â¶6. (S/NF) Contacts in both the opposition center-left PD
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party and Berlusconi's own PdL party, however, have hinted at a more
nefarious connection.  They believe that Berlusconi and his cronies are
profiting personally and handsomely from many of the energy
deals between Italy and Russia.  The Georgian ambassador in Rome
has told us that the GOG believes Putin has promised Berlusconi a
percentage of profits from any pipelines developed by Gazprom in
coordination with ENI.  Whenever we raise the issue of Russia and the P
with our contacts in PdL, Berlusconi's own party, they have usually
pointed us to Valentino Valentini, a member of parliament and somewhat
shadowy figure who operates as Berluscon's key man on Russia, albeit
with no staff or even a secretary.  Valentini, a Russian-speaker who
travels to Russia several times per month, frequently appears at
Berlusconi's side when he meets other world leaders.  What he does in
Moscow during his frequent visits is unclear but he is widely
rumored to be looking after Berlusconi's business interests in Russia.
Our contacts uniformly deem Valentini, a multilingual former
interpreter, close to Berlusconi with regard to Russia, but not a polic
person.
Â¶7. (C/NF) All of our interlocutors - in the MFA, PM's office,
PdL party, and even ENI - report that Berlusconi determines
Italy's policy on Russia single-handedly, neither seeking nor
accepting counsel.  Virtually all are reluctant to confront the PM even
when he is at his worst on Russia.  In November 2008, after a
disastrous press conference in which, inter alia, the PM described NATO
expansion, recognition of Kosovo's independence, and missile
defense as "U.S. provocations" of Russia, GOI officials did a classic
duck- and-cover.  In response to our objections, MFA and PM staff
sheepishly directed us to the PM himself, rather than deliver
the unpleasant news to him that he had angered not only the
Americans but other members of the Contact Group for the Balkans, not t
mention the Czechs and Poles.  Even FM Frattini admits to wielding no
influence on Berlusconi on Russia.  During an early September
visit to Italy, former VP Cheney confronted Frattini on Italy's
very public and unhelpful stance on the Georgia conflict.  A subdued
Frattini noted that, while he had strong opinions on the issue, he
nevertheless received his marching orders from the PM.
Â¶8. (C/NF) Distressingly, Berlusconi treats Russia policy as
he does his domestic political affairs - tactically and day-to-day.
His overwhelming desire is to remain in Putin's good graces, and
he has frequently voiced opinions and declarations that have been
passed to him directly by Putin.  One such example: in the aftermath of
the Georgia crisis, Berlusconi began (and continues) to insist
that Georgia was the aggressor and that the GOG was responsible
for several hundred civilian deaths in South Ossetia.

  The Georgian ambassador in Rome
Ah, beh!
Traduzione in italiano:
http://www.net1news.org/wikileaks-il-dossier-putin-berlusconi-traduzione-integrale-12.html
Ciao! 

 Namib
Berlusconi ha sempre ammirato Putin. Questo si sapeva. Tuttavia non avrebbe 
mai potuto 'passare dall'altra parte'. Non glielo avrebbero mai permesso. Ha 
svolto un ruolo di intermediazione. Avere dei canali di comunicazione è 
sempre importante anche perchè poi lui si è sempre dichiarato filo-Nato. Se 
così non fosse stato la Clinton non avrebbe mai cercato di elogiarlo 
all'incontro Osce. Che poi Berlusconi faccia affari con questo o con quello 
poco importa...in fin dei conti è solo un "re indigeno"... ;-) Al di là 
della comicità siamo sempre stati a questi livelli in Italia...con re 
indigeni...e la colpa è degli italiani che non hanno mai saputo mettere in 
piedi una classe politica sera. Oggi poi è molto peggio di ieri... 

 Am.
non dirmi che proprio tu credi alle strapotenti influenze berlusconiane nel 
consesso internazionale..??? :-) 

 permesso. Ha svolto un ruolo di intermediazione.
Intermediazione UAAAZZZ
Si becca centesimi su ogni litro di gas che arriva qui.
*INTERMEDIAZIONE"
IPI č spassoso

 Am.
la mia è a doppia corsia...c'è chi viene e chi va via... ;-)) 

"Redfiddler" <cacci...@NOSPAMlibero.it> ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:id8sab$n6q$4...@nnrp-beta.newsland.it...
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adesso non so se questo poi sia vero. Puodarsi che fosse una voce. Ad ogni 
modo pure Karzai non prendeva i soldi dall'Iran??...Eppure era l'uomo degli 
americani... :-))