Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: CVD...noiantri l' sapevamo!

#_Alla fiera dell'Est per "due soldi"...
...Scusate tanto il disturbo de nov'anni. Ve restituiamo quel potere che 
c'avevate e sï¿½mo tutti bï¿½ni e contenti.
Ve sta bbene?
G.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/world/asia/14nato.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
U.S. Aids Taliban to Attend Talks on Making Peace
French General Mixes Formula for a Bit of Afghan Calm (October 14, 2010) 
BRUSSELS ï¿½ United States-led forces are permitting the movement of 
senior Taliban leaders to attend initial peace talks in Kabul, the 
clearest indication of American support for high-level discussions aimed 
at ending the war in Afghanistan, senior NATO and Obama administration 
officials said.
While the talks involve senior members of the Taliban, officials 
emphasized that they were preliminary, and that they could not tell how 
serious the insurgents ï¿½ or the weak government of President Hamid 
Karzai ï¿½ were about reaching an accord.
But comments by administration officials in Washington and a senior NATO 
official in Brussels on Wednesday indicated that the United States was 
doing more to encourage a peaceful settlement in Afghanistan than 
officials had previously disclosed, and might reflect growing pessimism 
that the buildup of American forces there will produce decisive gains 
against the Taliban insurgency.
The NATO official confirmed that ï¿½there has been outreach by very senior 
members of the Taliban to the highest levels of the Afghan government.ï¿½ 
Though the talks are preliminary, he said, the prospect of negotiating a 
settlement of the war effort, now nine years old, is alluring enough 
that personnel from NATO nations in Afghanistan ï¿½have indeed facilitated 
to various degrees the contactsï¿½ by allowing Taliban leaders to travel 
to the Afghan capital.
Mr. Karzai has been trying for many months to persuade Taliban leaders 
to join his government, and the efforts intensified late last year after 
President Obama said that he intended to begin scaling back American 
troop levels in Afghanistan by the summer of 2011. American officials 
had earlier insisted that such talks were a sideshow to the main war 
effort and that they were unlikely to produce results until the Taliban 
felt weakened by the intensified NATO assault.
Now, some officials appear eager to show that they are pursuing a new 
approach in Afghanistan that explores a possible political settlement 
even as the military tries to step up pressure on the Taliban.
The top American commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David H. Petraeus, told 
reporters in Afghanistan recently that high-level Taliban leaders were 
reaching out to senior Afghan officials to start discussions. General 
Petraeus seems determined to show progress on achieving American goals 
in Afghanistan ï¿½ both military and political ï¿½ ahead of a December 
review of the war effort ordered by Mr. Obama.
Support for talks also comes as American officials have expressed a 
growing frustration with the complex role played by Pakistan, which 
provides safe haven for many insurgents and has ambitions of dictating 
the postwar political situation in Afghanistan.
Pakistan has insisted that any lasting solution in Afghanistan must 
involve reconciliation with the Taliban, and has urged the United States 
to participate in peace talks. At the same time, Pakistan has disrupted 
some efforts by Mr. Karzai to reach out to Taliban leaders hiding in 
Pakistan, presumably because he made those overtures without Pakistanï¿½s 
approval.
It is not clear which Taliban leaders have been allowed to travel to 
Kabul to conduct talks with Mr. Karzaiï¿½s government. The NATO official 
also did not disclose what members of NATOï¿½s Afghanistan force, the 
International Security Assistance Force, or ISAF, have done to support 
the talks beyond offering safe passage to insurgents participating in 
the discussions.
ï¿½It would be extremely difficult for a senior Taliban member to get to 
Kabul without being killed or captured if ISAF were not witting,ï¿½ the 
official said. ï¿½And ISAF is witting.ï¿½
In Washington, officials have been more cautious about prospects for a 
peaceful settlement. One senior American official noted recently that 
the Taliban, while war-weary, had little incentive to make concessions 
because they still had the sense that they could outlast the American 
presence in the country. Mr. Karzai, others noted, can be an erratic 
negotiator, and part of the mystery in Kabul is whether he is keeping 
American and NATO allies abreast of his conversations.
Mr. Obama signed off on a policy early this year that talks were 
possible as long as Taliban leaders, at the end of the process, agreed 
to renounce violence, lay down their arms, and pledge fidelity to the 
Afghan Constitution. As recently as August, two senior American 
officials said, Mr. Obama was updated on the progress of those efforts, 
officials said, and reaffirmed that the United States should aid the 
process, even if the Taliban involved in the talks represented only 
breakaway factions of the insurgent group.
ï¿½Weï¿½re not expecting Mullah Omar to walk in the door,ï¿½ one senior 
administration official said recently, referring to the Taliban figure 
Mullah Muhammad Omar. ï¿½But there have been pings from commanders a few 
notches down.ï¿½
The NATO official said: ï¿½These are in the very preliminary stages of 
discussions. So you would not yet characterize this by any means as a 
negotiation.ï¿½
The NATO official discussed developments in Afghanistan on standard 
diplomatic ground rules of anonymity because of the delicacy of the 
reconciliation discussions. The official spoke in advance of a NATO 
meeting in Brussels on Thursday that will include alliance ministers of 
foreign affairs and of defense. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham 
Clinton and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates are scheduled to attend.
Next month, President Obama is expected to attend a NATO summit meeting 
in Lisbon, where the United States must make the case to nervous ï¿½ and 
in some cases, soon-departing ï¿½ allies that there is a viable plan for 
turning more of Afghanistan over to the government. That effort will 
have little chance of success, many officials believe, if there is no 
political path for integrating low-level Taliban fighters and 
reconciling with their leaders.
Congressional officials and independent experts voiced skepticism on 
Wednesday that the current discussions would lead to any immediate 
breakthrough.
ï¿½Weï¿½ve now got two years of reports of talks about talks, but none of it 
has panned out as serious,ï¿½ said Bruce O. Riedel, a senior fellow at the 
Brookings Institution who led Mr. Obamaï¿½s first Afghanistan policy review.
But the increased NATO military operations in southern Afghanistan aimed 
at killing or capturing midlevel Taliban commanders has caused some 
Taliban leaders ï¿½nervousness about life and fortune,ï¿½ Mr. Riedel said.
ï¿½Itï¿½s a more dicey game. Youï¿½re starting to see people wanting to put 
money down on all bets.ï¿½

 Ve sta bbene?
In effetti!
Gli americani manco pi� la guerra sanno fare..che gli resta?
L'avranno capito che per portare la civilt� altrove, bisogna prima
averla imparata?
Ciao!