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Titolo: Commando USA in Iran? Ridicolo

Iran rejects US operations claim
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4184175.stm
Palmiro Pangloss
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 Palmiro Pangloss
Be' veramente la notizia del giorno mi sembra che gli US si apprestano a 
colpire la Siria dall'Irak.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=964
Am.

Bisogna pero' dire che Debka dice un sacco di bufale, ma tante...
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Si? Peccato che viene citata come fonte attendibile da Repubblica e 
altri quotidiani europei. Certo non tutto si verifica. Debka spesso 
parla delle **opzioni** a disposizione dei governi.
Ma le opzioni sono importanti, anzi essenziali.
Am.

 Peccato che viene citata come fonte attendibile da Repubblica 
Appunto.
Palmiro Pangloss
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ma come se sento le urla dei sabotatori fino a qui a momenti

 ma come se sento le urla dei sabotatori fino a qui a momenti
Hint: e' Teheran a negare, mica Washington, se non debolmente. 
Leggiti l'ultima frase.
Come fa Teheran a sapere? Infatti non lo sa. Invita alla resistenza, 
diffida e minaccia. 
Am.
PS: vecchio articolo di Debka:
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program, 350 Targets Must Be Hit
DEBKAfile Special Report
November 19, 2004, 9:41 PM (GMT+02:00)
Covert "shaved" site show here was moved to Nour nuclear suburb.
 No one familiar with Iran's record of broken promises on its hidden 
nuclear weapons program will be surprised by the allegations leveled 
against Tehran this week.
 On Wednesday, November 17, outgoing US secretary of state Colin Powell 
said to reporters during a South American tour: US has intelligence that 
Iran is working to adapt missiles for the delivery of nuclear weapons. 
"I have seen information that they not only have the missiles but are 
working hard to put the two together."
 The highly classified, unverified information Powell referred to was 
described in more detail by the Washington Post the next day: According 
to one official with access to the material, a "walk-in" source 
approached US intelligence earlier this month with more than 1,000 pages 
purported to be Iranian drawings and technical documents, including a 
nuclear warhead design and modifications to enable Iranian ballistic 
missiles to delivery an atomic strike. The warhead design is based on 
implosion and adjustments aimed at fitting the warhead on existing 
Iranian missiles.
 DEBKAfile's military experts believe the data referred to the Shehab-3 
and its improved version, the Shehab-4.
 The US official said he would not have revealed this much had not 
Powell alluded to the intelligence publicly. If the information is 
confirmed, it would mean the Islamic republic is further along than 
previously known in developing a nuclear weapon and the means to deliver 
it.
 It would also mean that Tehran has been stringing along the 
International Atomic Energy Agency - the IAEA - and the three European 
powers, Britain, France and Germany, in months of negotiation. The 
upshot was an Iranian promise to the three, which was trumpeted this 
week, to suspend uranium enrichment for an indefinite period in three 
days time, in return for magnanimous incentives. Such promises have been 
made before and never last long. Three days later, on November 25, the 
International Atomic Energy Agency - the IAEA - holds a board meeting in 
Vienna. It must decide whether to accept Iran's latest promise or refer 
Iran's nuclear breaches to the UN Security Council for possible 
sanctions.
 Teheran therefore delivered its pledge in a race for time to save 
itself from sanctions that could threaten the Islamic republic's 
regime's survival.
 DEBKA-Net-Weekly 182 just out on Friday, November 19, was the first 
publication to name the Nour garden suburb of Lavizan in northeast 
Tehran as yet another covert site Iran has concealed from the IAEA. 
There, not only is enrichment going forward but also tests on lethal 
gases and weaponized biological agents.
 According to DEBKAfile's Washington sources, the Pentagon's most recent 
game model on military measures to dispose of Iran's nuclear threat 
concludes it will be necessary to topple the Islamic republic's regime 
at the same time.
 The first stage would be a bombing mission against the regime's primary 
prop, the Revolutionary Guards.
 The second stage would be the destruction of known and probable nuclear 
sites - a much harder mission given the hundreds of sites known and 
unknown number and carefully camouflaged underground behind cunning 
window-dressing. US intelligence estimates as many as 350 sites. It does 
not have precise knowledge of which are the most important or even which 
are active.
 Regime change in stage three would entail ground action.
 At present, there are no air bases within range for carrying out stages 
two and three. Sufficient US troops for overthrowing the regime would 
pose a problem given Iran's land area of four times that of Iraq.
 Furthermore, there is no assurance that Iran would wait for stages 2 or 
even 3. Iranian agents may well pre-empt US action or retaliate by 
sabotage strikes or terrorist action inside America.
 Co-opting Israel's air might to the operation poses problems too. The 
Israelis are found to know as little about the locations of 
installations as the Americans. To reach Iran, Israeli warplanes would 
have to fly east over Saudi Arabia and Jordan, or north over Turkey. The 
distance of some targets, such as Iran's nuclear sites in the Caspian 
Sea region, is too great for Israeli planes to make the round trip.
 Notwithstanding these impediments, America cannot afford to give up its 
military option and must keep it afloat as a deterrent, say the authors 
of the Pentagon game model.
 A sample out of Iran's bag of hide-and-seek tricks with the 
international nuclear watchdog was exposed in DEBKA-Net-Weekly 160 on 
June 4, 2004:
 The most secret section of the latest report the International Atomic 
Energy Agency's director Mohammed ElBaradai has drafted on Iran's 
nuclear program is also the most embarrassing for the international 
nuclear watchdog. We reveal exclusively that when inspectors arrived in 
Iran in mid-May and asked to revisit installations they saw in February 
or April, they were astonished to find empty spaces. When they 
questioned their Iranian escorts, they were greeted with blank stares. 
"What installations?" the officials asked.
 The inspectors pulled out photos from previous visits and showed the 
Iranian officials what had been there before. The Iranians dismissed 
them as having been shot in other places that looked the same - or 
grafted there by "hostile intelligence bodies."
 When the inspectors persevered and reported the existence of aerial 
photos showing the exact location of the missing facilities, the 
Iranians shrugged.
 The amazing fact is that the Iranians had dismantled and swept away all 
the structures containing incriminating evidence of continuing uranium 
enrichment for weapons production so completely that there was no sign a 
building had ever stood there. The fresh flowerbeds were still in the 
same places as before but lawns had been extended to cover the sites, 
most probably with thick layers of earth. All the inspectors could do 
was to remove soil samples and take them away.
 According to our sources, US officials involved in the Iranian nuclear 
issue have no doubt that the installations were not destroyed but 
removed to secret subterranean sites probably built under military bases 
scattered around the country and that the Iranians are industriously 
advancing their forbidden programs.
 Five months later, we have discovered one of those clandestine 
destinations to be the Nour "nuclear suburb" of Tehran.


http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=964
Come no!
Hanno messo in orbita l'Enterprise che con i suoi siluri fotonici e i
banchi faser colpira' le principali installazioni militari siriane :)
*ROTFL*
-Stefano

 PS: vecchio articolo di Debka:
Debka, ottima fonte: all'inizio della rioccupazione dei territori 
sosteneva che truppe usa operassero in Cisgiordania...
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 Palmiro Pangloss
Scusa, ma tu non ti arrischi mai a prevedere una minchia, ma solo, 
utimamente, a minimizzare (magari un crimine o due). Le *opzioni* non 
sai che fartene vero?
Persino Condoleeza dichiara le sue opzioni piu' chiaramente.
'We will engage in the Middleast, spread freedom and democracy'
 Iran, Siria e tutta la baracca, capish?...
Am.

e altri quotidiani europei.
Quali? :)
-Stefano

Infatti non lo sa.
Se lo dici tu...
-Stefano

Debka, ottima fonte:
Magari su Debka trova riferimenti al famoso attentato dell'Irgun al
Cairo intorno al 1942 :)
-Stefano

Iran, Siria e tutta la baracca, capish?...
Infatti ha proprio nominato "Iran, Siria e tutta la baracca" :)
*ROTFL*
*pat pat*
-Stefano

  Iran, Siria e tutta la baracca, capish?...
Eggia'. Ma Hersh ha scritto che ci sono *ora* truppe USA in Iran che non 
e' la stessa cosa che dire "A causa di X, Y e Z *credo* che gli USA 
potrebbero infiltrare proprie truppe in Iran". Veramente non vedi la 
differenza Amalricche?
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 differenza Amalricche?
Ecche' a una covert operation di cui si aummaaumma a Washington io 
dovrei contrapporre il tintinnio di borraccie che in meditazione 
extracorporea riesco a percepire dall'Iran nella profonda notte Europea?
Io poi ho anche espresso il dubbio che 'sta settimana se famo la Siria, 
cosicche' l'Iran e' un abile depistaggio passato alla stampa. Come la 
persecuzione Sharoniana di Abu. Debka dixit. Non sarebbe fico? Un 
cinismo sto Sharon, solo per deviare l'attenzione dai passi felpati di 
Washington...
A propos, hai per caso l'http dei bookmakers di Londra, che magari ce la 
giochiamo?
O sei tu che fai il bookie? Dai, dacce una dritta...
Am.

 Abu Graib. La incapacita' del sistema americano di risalire ai *mandanti*
Ah, ecco, quello. ovvero tentare di riportare alla realta' di un 
processo gente che farnetica di linciaggio.
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Debka dixit.
Il che la dice lunga! :)
-Stefano

 banchi faser colpira' le principali installazioni militari siriane :)
Puttanata!
Lo sanno tutti che il corrispettivo startrekkiano degli USA non č la 
Federazione, ma i Ferengi.
;)
Riot
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