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Titolo: Dagli 'stronzetti' agli stronzoni

Altro che petizione contro l'antisemitismo...
Uri Avnery , 19.6.04
"Irreversible Mental Damage"
Two weeks ago, the international community made a shocking declaration.
Giving in to a demand by George Bush, the "Quartet" accepted the "Revised
Disengagement Plan" of Ariel Sharon. This means that the United Nations, the
European Union, the Russian Federation and the United States confirmed this
document. I wonder if any one of the honorable diplomats has read the
document with their own eyes.
In the first paragraph of the "plan", the following words appear: "Israel
has come to the conclusion that at present, there is no Palestinian partner
with whom it is possible to make progress on a bilateral peace process."
That is to say, the international community has confirmed that the
Palestinian people has no right to take part in the determination of its own
fate. Everything will be decided by the Government of Israel alone, with the
backing of the United States, whose position will be automatically accepted
by the other partners of the "Quartet".
The European Union with its 25 member-states, the government of the Russian
Federation and the organization that represents the entire world have humbly
accepted the edict of Bush, the dictator of the world, who is himself a
captive of Sharon. Sharon decided long ago that the elected president of the
Palestinian people is "irrelevant", together with the whole Palestinian
leadership.
The Palestinian people have been eliminated from the list of
decision-makers, thereby also abolishing in practice all the agreements
signed with them, from Oslo to the Road Map.
This is a scandalous step, unprecedented in its dimensions, and it passed
without comment. Apart from Sharon and his minions, nobody noticed the
implications. The big boot of the international community trod on the
Palestinian people without even noticing it, as if on an ant.
That is the culmination of a process that began with the return of the then
Prime minister, Ehud Barak, from the 2000 Camp David summit. After the
failure of that meeting, he coined the mantra that has since become the
cornerstone of the policy of successive Israeli governments: "I have turned
every stone on the way to peace / I have offered the Palestinians more
generous proposals than any of my predecessors / The Palestinians have
rejected all my offers / Arafat wants to throw us into the sea / We have no
partner for peace."
This mantra is based on a series of lies that have been exploded long ago.
American eye-witnesses like Rober Malley, President Clinton's advisor at
Camp David, as well as some of the Israeli participants and international
researchers have published detailed reports that prove that Barak himself
was responsible for the failure at least as much as Arafat - in fact, far
more.
And as if by coincidence, just when the international community
absent-mindedly accepted that the Palestinian people is not a partner for
peace, in Israel itself things are happening that turn everything upside
down.
The High Priest of the "We Have No Partner" creed is General (res.) Amos
Gilad, who at the crucial time was chief of the research section (and as
such the No. 2) of the Army Intelligence Department. Since army intelligence
is the department solely responsible for the "national security assessment",
it has a decisive influence on the formation of national policy.
The army intelligence man reports directly to the Prime Minister and takes
part in cabinet meetings. No minister would dare to question his
assessments, which are the guiding star of the entire state. The research
chief of the intelligence department is supposed to submit a professional
summary of the huge amount of data amassed by the intelligence community.
Most ministers are forbidden to read the written report, and even the few
others are allowed only to glance at it. Therefore, the oral summary
presented by the chief of research to the Prime Minister and the cabinet is
of paramount importance.
Amos Gilad went even further: he appeared almost daily in the media,
commenting on almost every political and security event. He was not only the
"national assessor", but also the "national explainer", as he was commonly
called in the media.
Who is this man, who has had a greater influence than any other person on
the policies of Israel over the last few crucial years, and whose kontsepsia
(Hebrew for "conception") is still directing the path of the state? This is
the very same Amos Gilad who some days ago claimed for himself the benefits
due to disabled army veterans. He was not wounded in battle, God forbid, but
claimed that the stress caused by his difficult job has inflicted on him
irreversible mental damage.
This claim involves a considerable amount of Chutzpah, if not worse. But it
also raises the question: This mental damage, when did it start? When were
the first symptoms observed? Was it when he started endlessly repeating that
Arafat wants to throw us into the sea? Or was this declaration, perhaps,
itself a symptom of his mental problem? And how can he continue to fulfil
his present duties?
The last two weeks, Israel witnessed a stormy debate that should have shaken
the very foundations of the state.
The former chief of Army Intelligence, General (res.) Amos Malka, who was
the direct superior of Gilad, broke his silence of many years and published
a thunderous accusation: that Amos Gilad arrived at his "kontseptsia"
without any intelligence basis whatsoever. On the contrary, the huge amount
of information collected by the intelligence department indicated the very
opposite. That is to say, Gilad freely invented his intelligence reports,
based on his political views and/or on the desire to please his political
bosses, Barak and Sharon.
This grave accusation raised a storm in professional circles. Intelligence
operatives of undoubted integrity emerged from their anonymity in order to
support Malka publicly. They were headed by the man who, at the relevant
time, was in charge of the Army Intelligence section for Palestinian
affairs, Colonel Ephraim Lavie, who was then responsible for the collection
of all intelligence material about the Palestinian leadership. There is no
doubt that in the professional confrontation between Amos and Amos, Amos
Malka emerged as the victor.
This means, in simple words: there was no intelligence material at all
backing the assertion that Arafat is working for the destruction of the
State of Israel, that Arafat had broken off the peace process in order to
start a terror campaign, that Arafat is not ready for a reasonable
compromise. All these assertions, uttered by diverse Israeli politicians and
generals, were based on the "assessment" of one man who, while appearing to
represent the intelligence department, was actually suppressing the
considered professional reports of his own department, as well as of the
General Security Service (Shabak).
When the debate heated up, the orientalist Matti Steinberg, a former advisor
on Palestinian affairs to the chief of the Shabak, joined the fray.
Steinberg not only confirmed that Gilad's "kontseptsia" was completely false
and contradicted the intelligence material assembled by his own people, but
he also asserted that Gilad's conception "fulfilled its own prophecy".
Since Israel is immeasurably stronger than the Palestinians, its actions
create reality. The acts guided by Gilad's "kopntseptsia" created results
that suited it. Much as the "kontseptsia" of Eli Za'ira, the intelligence
chief at the time of the Yom Kippur war, resulted in catastrophe, thus the
"kontseptsia" of Amos Gilad caused - and is still causing - the disasters of
the present intifada.
(The 1973 intelligence conception was that Egypt would not dare to attack
Israel, causing all the glaringly obvious signs to the contrary to be
ignored, thus preventing adequate preparations and resulting in the death of
3000 Israeli soldiers. Since [then] the Hebrew word "kontseptsia" has
assumed an almost obscene connotation in Israel.)
As of now, Gilad's immediate superior (Malka) and his immediate subordinate
(Lavie) both accuse him of presenting his personal opinions, which were
unsupported by any intelligence backing, as if they were the official
assessment of the intelligence services.
Gilad has caused irreversible damage. His mantra was accepted by the vast
majority of Israelis, as well as a large part of international public
opinion. Its exposure in professional circles will not alter this fact.
Indeed, the recent decision of the "Quartet" shows how deeply entrenched
this lie has become throughout the world.
By the way, these revelations show that the secret assessment of the highest
professional echelons of the Army Intelligence Department and Shabak were
practically identical with the assessments published at the time by Gush
Shalom, which were met with total disbelief by the media and the public,
including a large part of the "peace camp". To wit, that the Palestinian
leadership, headed by Arafat, has never wavered from its readiness to make
peace with Israel based on the creation of a Palestinian state on 97% of the
West Bank and the Gaza Strip (which together make 22% of historic
Palestine), with territorial compensation for the remaining 3% and
sovereignty over East Jerusalem and the Haram- al-Sharif ("Temple Mount").
The refugee problem would be solved by agreement with Israel (meaning:
Israel will have a veto on any solution).
The experts of army intelligence and the security service, too, agree that
Arafat has not wavered from this position. On this basis, peace can be
achieved even now, as Arafat himself confirmed this week in a fascinating
interview with the new editor of Haaretz, David Landau.
Ariel Sharon denies this, of course, because he is not ready for peace on
these terms. He wants to annex at least 55% of the West Bank, hoping that
the life of the Palestinians in the remaining 45% will become so impossible
that they will leave the country of their own accord. Shimon Peres is eager
to help him in the realization of this design.
For that, Sharon needs the "We Have No Partner" mantra. Amos Gilad delivered
the goods. Now the "Quartet" has accepted it, bringing shame on itself and
obstructing the search for peace.
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 Uri Avnery , 19.6.04
Lo sapevamo che Avnery era uno "stronzone" :)  Grazie per averlo
confermato con il tuo autorevole giudizio :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 fate.
Se anche Russia e UE che notoriamente non son otenere con Israele scaricano
Arafat ci sara' un motivo, no ?
Forse il fatto che continui imperterrito a fare il doppio gioco e che
comunque abbia grossi problemi a controllare le frange piu' estreme che lui
ha aiutato a nascere e a crescere, non ne fanno un interlocutore ne'
autorevole, ne' affidabile.
Forse, con questa presa di posizione dura, quel po' di classe dirigente
sopravvissuta alle purghe di Arafat, si porra' il problema di come trovare
un interlocutore in grado di portare alla pace e alla nascita di uno stato
palestinese.
andrea

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Non mi pare che cercano di trovare altri interlocutori palestinesi... Si
parla di escludere i palestinesi sulle decisioni inerenti il loro futuro...
K

futuro...
hai detto la tua ca***ta del giorno.
-Stefano

 parla di escludere i palestinesi sulle decisioni inerenti il loro
futuro...
Veramente lo dicono esplicitamente: non c'e' allo stato attuale alcun
interlocutore palestinese con cui sia possibile trattare.
andrea

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E ci credo...quando ci sono li fanno fuori...
K

 E ci credo...quando ci sono li fanno fuori...
E chi sarebbero gli interlocutori credibili, i capi di hamas ?
andrea

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Be' se dall'altra parte ci sono i capi di likud...


Credi che sia possibile discutere o andiamo avanti a battutine ?
Potresti per favore dirmi quali sarebbero gli interlocutori credibili
accoppati da sharon ?
andrea

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Ma ti rendi conto che stai definendo sharon come un interlocutore
credibile...
K

 credibile...
Quello che dico io non conta una cippa. Quello che conta e' che lo hanno
definito credibile gli Usa, le UN, la Russia e la UE. Forse c'entra il fatto
che la sua leadership deriva da un processo democratico.
Mentre non hanno detto lo stesso di Arafat e per quel poco che ne capisco,
la cosa non mi stupisce.
Piuttosto mi piacerebbe che tu, dall'alto della tua informazione, mi
spiegassi perche' tutto il male sta solo da una parte. In fondo il popolo
palestinese ha ricevuto negli anni solo dall'europa una montagna di miliardi
eppure continua a vivere in condizioni pietose. In Giordania e in Siria ci
sono veri e propri campi di concentramento dove i profughi palestinesi
vengono tenuti, eppure si parla solo di gaza e cisgiordania.
Se non erro il piu' grosso eccidio di palestinesi non sia stato quello di
Chabra e Chatila, eppure si parla solo di quello.
andrea

 Chabra e Chatila, eppure si parla solo di quello.
Un conto essere profughi in un paese straniero, un altro e' esserlo a casa
propria...
K

 Non ti ricordi in quale condizione di ghetto vivono i palestinesi?
Ti ho gia' detto che non sono un esperto.
Comunque tu credi veramente che i miliardi siano scomparsi perche' requisiti
da Israele ?
andrea

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In gran parte si...in parte sono nelle tasche di arafat... Ma il discorso e'
un altro... Un 'ricco' nel deserto e' povero quanto un povero a Roma. Se hai
soldi e non li puoi spendere rimani sempre povero...
K

 soldi e non li puoi spendere rimani sempre povero...
C'e' una fila di imprese europee da qui fino a Gaza pronte ad operare. Se
questo e' il "deserto"......
andrea


Hai mai visto e sentito parlare dei ghetti in cui vivono i palestinesi?
Informati... se non le trovi da te le informazioni, dimmelo che ti aiuto...
K

 Informati... se non le trovi da te le informazioni, dimmelo che ti
aiuto...
Se il sig. Arafat riceve i soldi per mettere a posto gli acquedotti e poi
usa i soldi per comprare la fedelta' delle milizie e per pagare il soggiorno
di sua moglie a Parigi, non che farci.
Ammetterai che con tutti i soldi arrivati in palestina, il fatto che la
gente viva ancora come bestie stipate nei campi profughi abbia del
paradossale.
andrea

 montuose di soldi?
La somma del contributo USA dato nel 2003 ad isaele è uguale alla somma
spesa da Israele per le forze armate.
Non si chiama stato canaglia?


Il paradosso sono quei fottuti insediamenti illegali...
K

 Il paradosso sono quei fottuti insediamenti illegali...
In Siria e in Giordania ?
andrea

 In Siria e in Giordania ?
Gaza e West bank?
K