Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: "Propaganda del 2012" (dice Leonardo Tondelli)

Per la precisione lo dice qua:
 
https://groups.google.com/g/it.politica.internazionale/c/2DCjIZy9ZJI/m/Qij1KKSPCgAJ
 
 
 
Questo e' l'articolo
 
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/ken-livingstone-jews-won-t-vote-labour-because-they-are-rich-1.32405
 
 
Prominent Labour-supporting Jewish Londoners have written a devastating letter to Ed Miliband expressing their profound concerns about mayoral candidate Ken Livingstone.
 
The letter, a copy of which has been seen by the Jewish Chronicle, was written in response to a meeting held on March 1st at which Mr Livingstone stood by his decision to embrace radical Islamic cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi and take money from the Iranian state broadcaster Press TV.
 
Most damaging for Mr Livingstone is the revelation that he believes Jews will not vote Labour because they are rich. The letter states: "Ken toward the end of the meeting stated that he did not expect the Jewish community to vote Labour as votes for the left are inversely proportional to wealth levels, and suggested that as the Jewish community is rich we simply wouldn't vote for him."
 
The letter explains to Mr Miliband that Jewish Labour supporters were finding it "harder and harder to consider voting for Ken".
 
At the heart of the critique is the fear that Mr Livingstone's language when discussing the Jewish community, Israel and Zionism is close to classic antisemitism.
 
"Ken determines Jews as a religious group but does not accept Jews as an ethnicity and a people and did not respond on this other than to say that as an atheist he found this hard to comprehend. In the same way that Black, Irish, Women and LGBT groups are afforded the right to determine their own identity, many of us feel that Ken doesn't afford Jews that right."
 
The letter reveals that Mr Livingstone used the words Zionist, Jewish and Israeli interchangeably and did so "in a perjorative manner".
 
The Jewish Labour figures behind the letter, which include Liberal rabbi Danny Rich and former Limmud chair Andrew Gilbert, express concern that Mr Livinstone has aligned himself with the politics of radical Islam. "The real and more pressing issue is that of the strong perception that Ken is seeking to align himself with the politics of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian regime, whilst at the same time turning a blind eye to Islamist antisemitism , mysogynism (sic) and homophobia."
 
The authors of the letter added: "We are concerned that this is more about infantile, far-left politics, being seen to take a stance against whatever the anti-establishment or anti-imperialism cause of the moment is."
 
The letter was written ahead of a meeting between the Jewish communal leadership and Ed Miliband later this month, when the issue of Mr Livingstone will be top of the agenda.
 
 
 


 
E la data è 2012, so why bother?
Ma non ho capito, stai difendendo Livingstone dalla terribile accusa di fare propaganda?

 E la data è 2012, 
 
E tu lo hai definito “propaganda”.
 
Vero? 
 
 

 Vero?
 
Mi riferivo a Li-ving-stone...

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E quali sarebbero i paragrafi dell’articolo in cui gli autori farebbero propaganda a Livingstone? 
 
Vediamo se ti riesce di evidenziarli (1)
 
 
Https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/ken-livingstone-jews-won-t-vote-labour-because-they-are-rich-1.32405
 
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(1) non ce ne sono e adesso Tondelli scrivera’  Cazzabubole sbroc sbroc ah ah ah non ti segue nessuno sei malato sex toys non sai niente non capisci niente io conosco ebraismo io conosco cristianesimo le bare davanti alle sinagoghe ci stanno bene Luciano Lama era un santo sbroc sbroc paralllasse ah ah ah antisemitismo a sinistra non esiste complotto boy scout povera Dacia mi vuoi fare fare la sua fine ispettori in classe avete visto adesso lo ho fatto stare zitto eh eh eh a me non mi frega nessuno

 E quali sarebbero i paragrafi dell’articolo in cui gli autori farebbero propaganda a Livingstone? 
 
Mi riferivo a quello che diceva Livingstone, bambo!

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Esattamente, qua, dove sarebbe la propaganda? Sentiti pure libero di evidenziare eh. 
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 Esattamente, qua, dove sarebbe la propaganda? Sentiti pure libero di evidenziare eh. 
 
 
"Jews will not vote Labour because they are rich".
 
Una cosa che probabilmente Livingstone non ha detto...
 
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/03/21/kens-team-denies-jews-are-rich-comments/
 

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Lui stesso ha ammesso che con la comunita’ ebraica c’erano problemi.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/mar/29/ken-livingstone-contrition-jewish-chronicle?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 
 
Tondelli, stai riuscendo ad essere piu’ antisemita di Ken Livingstone. Uno che persino Corbyn trovava imbarazzante.
 

 
 
 
Quindi, ammesso che si sia espresso in quei termini, in seguito si è pure corretto.
 
Poi arrivi tu otto anni dopo... sempre tempestivo eh, Andrea.

 Quindi, ammesso che si sia espresso in quei termini
 
Stavi cercando di dimostrare che in quell’articolo Livingstone stesse facendo “propaganda”
Hai gia’ rinunciato? 
 

 Stavi cercando di dimostrare che 
 
No, Andrea, non c'è bisogno di dimostrare niente. Sta' tranquillo.