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Ilan Pappe: I'm not a traitor
Controversial historian Ilan Pappe left Israel last year after his
endorsement of an academic boycott of Israel exposed him and his
family to death threats. Now a professor in England, Pappe maintains
that a cultural boycott on his homeland is the only way to end the
occupation
Ayelet Negev
Published: 	03.15.08, 23:49 / Israel News
Last summer, the Pappe family packed its belongings, rented out its
spacious house in Israel and moved to Britain. Ever since his support
of an academic boycott on Israel's universities became public,
historian Ilan Pappe, 54, has felt like public enemy number one. Pappe
says he had received death threats by phone almost on a daily basis.
Did it not occur to you that calling for an academic boycott on Israel
might incite the public against you?
"I supported the boycott because I believe that without pressure,
Israel will not end the occupation. Even before then I reached the
conclusion that the peace process enables Israel to stall for time.
When in 2003 several international organizations approached me and
asked whether I would support the boycott I replied positively.
"I believe that things would change only if Israel receives a strong
message that as long as the occupation continues it would not be a
legitimate member of the international community, and that until then
its academics, doctors and authors would not be welcome. A similar
boycott was imposed on South Africa. It took 21 years, but it
eventually led to the end of Apartheid."
Do you also call for an economic boycott of Israel?
"I am currently editing a book that compares the situation in Israel
to the situation in South Africa, and I'm becoming convinced that
there too, the economic boycott was less effective than the cultural
one. As the son of German Jews, I know how important it is for our
elites to be a part of Europe."
Did you wholeheartedly support the boycott?
"No, you can't wholeheartedly recommend a boycott of your society,
especially when it includes you place of work, the Haifa University...
The last thing I enjoy is being the person that holds up a mirror to
his society's face and says, 'Look how ugly you are.' Some people like
to challenge and incite their neighbors. I'm not like that, I don't
write in order to annoy and I certainly don't hate myself, and I also
love many people in Israel. I did not commit treason.
"But, I'm a historian, and this is the truth the way I see it: The
story of a victim and a victimizer. And the victim is the
Palestinians. Without idealizing the Palestinians -victims are not
necessarily nice people, but they are still victims."
Pappe claims that his promotion at Haifa University has been blocked
due to his political activity. "Provincial Haifa was unwilling to
grant me the rank of a professor. I left for England as a doctor and
in two days I climbed two ranks and became a faculty professor at the
University of Exeter," he states.
However, Haifa University President Aharon Ben-Zeev claims that the
university applied only relevant considerations in the question of
Pappe's promotion. "We applied the regular criteria according to the
university's constitution: Not only the list and quality of
publications, but other considerations pertaining to the contribution
to the university, teaching and so on," he explained.
In an article published in the Israeli Mita'am Review for Literature
and Radical Thought this week, titled "On the destruction of the
Palestinian cities, spring 1948," Pappe maintains that the claim that
the Arab residents fled or left their homes willingly during the war
are false, and that a policy of "cleansing" the area from Arabs was
employed as part of a plan to establish a Jewish-only state.
Pappe made similar claims in his book The Ethnic Cleansing of
Palestine, which was published in England in 2006, in which he also
presented testimonies of alleged massacres of Palestinians by Jewish
soldiers.
These claims have been contested by many historians in Israel and
abroad. Dr. Mordechai Bar-On, a research fellow at the Yad Ben-Zvi
Institute and a former MK, calls Pappe "a propagandist, not a
historian." Bar-On said that "the term ethnic cleansing is a vicious
one, because it has never been used prior to the wars in former
Yugoslavia. Indeed, there were places where Arab were expelled... but to
say that there was an evil plan since the inception of Zionism for a
forceful transfer - this is simply wrong and vicious."
However, Pappe insists that allowing the Palestinian refugees to
return to Israel is the only thing that could secure peace in the
region.
Would you be willing to vacate your home when they return to what used
to be their villages near your house in Tivon?
"After years of working with refugees around the world and attending
conferences on the right of return, I believe that no such notion
exists on the Palestinian side. They want to return while
understanding that they will live alongside the Jews. They don't want
to expel anyone. What turned me into a great lover of the Palestinians
is the will of many among them to share the land with us. Even people
in Hamas.
"The reason most of my friends in the territories voted for Hamas
wasn't because they didn't want to share the land with the Israelis,
but because they thought Hamas would be more effective in the struggle
against the occupation."
By using terror?
"They don't consider this to be terror. Fatah and Hamas employ the
tools of the weak, because they don't have planes or tanks. They are
as violent as the Israelis, no more or less, with only one difference:
The difference between the violence of the occupier and the violence
of those fighting occupation."
An article you wrote titled "Genocide in Gaza, ethnic cleansing in the
West Bank" was published in the Tehran Times about a month ago. Are
you providing the enemy with weapons against us?
"On the contrary, I wish to speak to the people in Iran. A Jordanian
newspaper wrote in its editorial a year ago that absurdly, I am
Israel's best ambassador in the Arab world, because they say - if such
Israelis exist, maybe there's hope for peace with the Jewish state."
Would you like your sons to serve in the army?
"It's their decision, but I preferred it if they didn't. As long as
Israel has an occupying army, a rather cruel army, I wouldn't want
them to be part of it... I don't think there is one moral person in the
world that supports what Israel stands for. And it pains me to say
this. I truly love the country, I would very much like to live in it,
but I very much dislike my state. Everything related to its policy
against the Palestinians makes me very angry."
Pappe denies being more sensitive to the suffering of Palestinians
than to that of Israelis. "I'm shocked when I see the child who lost
his leg in Sderot, and I'm shocked when I see a child killed in Gaza.
But as long as Israel maintains its stance that the Palestinian issue
can be resolved by force, the Palestinian side will respond with
force.
"Once we realize that the only way is to relinquish some of out holy
ideas, and once the Palestinians give up the idea of nationalism, and
once they realize that there needs to be one state here that isn't
Jewish nor Palestinian, but a state of all its citizens, like in the
US, we will have peace."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3516193,00.html

 Ilan Pappe: I'm not a traitor
Come storico, in effetti, è un falsificatore di fonti, totalmente 
screditato.
Però risulta che sia ebreo. Capperi.
Non dubito che lo seguirete con appassionata  attenzione.
Fammi indovinare perché.
Tb
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E' una grande mitzvah essere sempre felici (R. Nachman di Breslavia)

 screditato.
"I left for England as a doctor and in two days I climbed two ranks
and became a faculty professor at the University of Exeter"
informa delle tue opinioni l'università che l'ha promosso a faculty
professor, prego...

giovanni ha scritto:
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Non sono opinioni.
Cionondimeno esiste una domanda per l'articolo. Una domanda 
appassionata, da quando l'antisemitismo si deve camuffare un po' e fare 
uso spasmodico dell' "amico ebreo".
Giusto che in Europa abbia un posto, anzi mi meraviglio della sua oscurità.
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 uso spasmodico dell' "amico ebreo".
io ho titolato "intervista a uno storico screditato", Che tale storico
sia ebreo evidentemente è una cosa che ossessiona particolarmente te,
non metterla in bocca ad altri per farli passare da antisemiti...

 professor, prego...
E perche' mai?  Se una universita' si sceglie dei professori idioti, al
limite basta farlo sapere a chi dovra' decidere di iscriversi :)
-Stefano

giovanni ha scritto:
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 >> Sì, uno storico a tesi, falsificatire e totalmente  screditato.
 > >>
 > >> Mi sembra che sia ebreo o sbaglio?
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Ora vai, cretinetti
Tb

 Fammi indovinare perché.
Semplicemente perche' e' bello sapere che esiste gente onesta a prescindere 
dalla propria appartenenza etnica, religiosa, culturale.
Ti sembra cosi' difficile da capire?
Solo quelli con una atavica malafede non possono vederlo.
K 

 Semplicemente perche' e' bello sapere che esiste gente onesta a prescindere 
...dal fatto che sono ebrei.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH.
Che idiota.
dimmi pollastro
che leggesti del pappé
nebbia fitta eh?
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 sia ebreo evidentemente è una cosa che ossessiona particolarmente te,
Ossessiona anche il tuo caro storico, caro *PIRLA* di un Giovannino.
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As the son of German Jews, I know how important it is for our
elites to be a part of Europe."
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Impara a leggere gli articoli e quello che dicono i tuoi "amici ebrei"
:)
-Stefano


Hai solo dimostrato di essere uno squallido buffone. Ma questa non e' una 
novita'...
K 

ams67 ha scritto:
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Quoto
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 Tb
Mi puoi dare qualche link per documentarmi su chi "argomenta" per
screditare Ilan Pappe dimostrando la aua "falsificazione delle fonti"?
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 Mi puoi dare qualche link per documentarmi su chi "argomenta" 
Vorresti documentarti sulla confutazione di libri che mai hai letto e 
mai leggerai? ROTFL.
Non distrarti dal tuo compito istituzionale.
Ssucchiami il kazaro.
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 Ssucchiami il kazaro.
Stai continuando a fare la figura dell'imbecille. Non sapendo rispondere 
stai cercando (in maniera penosa) di usare il solito attacco personale per 
sviare.
Ehehehehe! Ma come fai ad essere cosi' coglione?
K 

 Stai continuando 
Uccello zoppo
sognava il kazaro
e niente soldi

 Stai continuando a fare la figura dell'imbecille. Non sapendo rispondere 
Tu li hai letti, pollo senza petto?
No, vero?
Quindi cazzo vuoi? Tira fuori i soldi e vai.
Tb
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