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Titolo: Vediamo cosa dice RAWA sulla guerra

Visto che Al Jazeera "non trasmette" i comunicati di RAWA, lo faro' io.
Forse sbaglio, ma QUESTO comunicato non lo ha trasmesso neanche la CNN.
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RAWA STATEMENT ON BOMBING; CALLS FOR UPRISING
Again, due to the treason of fundamentalist hangmen, our people
have been caught in the claws of the monster of a vast war and
destruction.
America, by forming an international coalition against Osama and
his Taliban-collaborators and in retaliation for the 11th September
terrorist attacks, has launched a vast aggression on our country.
Despite the claim of the US that only military and terrorist bases
of the Taliban and Al Qieda will be struck and that its actions
would be accurately targeted and proportionate, we have witnessed
for the past seven days leaves no doubt that this invasion will
shed the blood of numerous women, men, children, young and old of
our country.
If until yesterday the US and its allies, without paying the least
attention to the fate of democracy in Afghanistan, were supporting
the policy of Jehadis-fostering, Osama-fostering and Taliban-fostering,
today they are sharpening the dagger of the "Northern Alliance".
And because of this policy they have plunged our people into a
horrific concern and anxiety in fear of re-experiencing the dreadful
happenings of the years of the Jehadis' "emirate".
Afghans, while keeping in mind the tremendous disasters they faced
at the hands of Jehadi and Taliban vultures, just hang onto their
hope for the return of the ex-king. However, if he comes to the
scene while relying on the "Northern Alliance" and so-called
"moderate" Taliban, he not only will lose his reputation among the
people but it will endanger the stability and success of whatever
set-up he forms.
In the time of the Taliban's medievalist domination, no Afghan and
no honorable and mindful Muslim will be deceived by the "nationalistic"
gestures of Taliban who invite the Afghan people and even the whole
Muslim world for "Jehad"
against America. Any person, group or government that supports the
Taliban, no matter under what pretext, is the enemy of the Afghan
people, the people who also hate the "anti-Osama" and "anti-terrorism"
acts of the "Northern Alliance" murderers. Our people not only have
not forgotten the five years after the collapse of the puppet regime
of Najib -- the most horrible years of terrorism and unchastity --
but as well they don't forget the time when the Jehadis themselves
were the cheap servants of Abdullah Ezam and Osama bin Laden.
Now the "Northern Alliance" groups lie in ambush like hungry wolves
so they, while riding the guns of the US, can assault and swarm
into Kabul and in proportion to the depth and width of their
"conquests", besides committing vandalism like the years before,
gain ground in order to bargain for position in the second "emirate",
and as a consequence again spoil the aspiration of the people for
the establishment of a stable and democratic government acceptable
to all.
The continuation of US attacks and the increase in the number of
innocent civilian victims not only gives an excuse to the Taliban,
but also will cause the empowering of the fundamentalist forces in
the region and even in the world.
Our people have two options:
Either the eradication of the plague of Taliban and Al Qieda --
though they (our people) didn't have any part in its cultivation
and germination -- and the establishment of a government based on
democratic values, or to hand over Afghanistan to these forces who
have dependence, looting, crime and national treason as the main
components of their perfidious entity.
Our compatriots, therefore, must rise up for a thorough demolition
of Taliban and their Osamas so the world should understand that
the tired, wounded, mournful and deserted Afghans not only in word,
but practically too, have no connection with the criminals and
don't regard a handful of Arab or non-Arab terrorists as "honorable
guests".
Only an overall uprising can prevent the repetition and recurrence
of the catastrophe that has befallen our country before and with
or even without the presence of the UN peace-keeping force this
uprising can pave the way for the establishment of an interim
government and preparation for elections. We believe that once
there is no foreign interference, especially of a fundamentalist
type, all ethnic groups of all religions, with no regard to the
devilish designs of the fundamentalists, will, prove their solidarity
for achieving the most sacred national interests for the sake of
a proud and free Afghanistan.
The Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)
asks that all anti-fundamentalist, freedom and democracy-loving
and pro-women's rights forces and also the ex-king of Afghanistan,
before it is too late, must play their role in the organizing of
mass-uprising and as well thwart the plans of the internal and
external enemies of Afghanistan. The peace and justice-loving people
of the world will be on the side of the Afghan people.
-- Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan

 Forse sbaglio, ma QUESTO comunicato non lo ha trasmesso neanche la CNN.
l'ho letto da giorni. No, non l'ha trasmesso nemmeno la CNN, anche
perche' i comunicati non si addicono troppo alle trasmissioni
televisive. In compenso, oltre al piu' volte citato documentario, la CNN
ha trasmesso varie interviste al RAWA, due volte in prime time(Larry
King Live). Oltre a interviste a sponsor del RAWA(moglie di Jay Leno,
per esempio).
ciao,
Alessandro
p.s. ovviamente mi riferisco al dopo 11 settembre e al dopo 7 ottobre.

 televisive.
E questo sotto?
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BBC Forum Transcript-
Women and the Taliban BBC Talking Point: Forum, OCT. 18, 2001
Women and the Taliban Sahar Saba works with RAWA - a group which fights for
women's human rights and justice in Afghanistan. RAWA's Sahar Saba (not her
real name) answered your questions in a live forum.
To watch coverage of the forum, select thelinkbelow:
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Established in 1977, the Revolutionary Association of Women of Afghanistan
work from Pakistan, often risking their own lives to carry out their health
and education programmes.  RAWA members also act as witnesses and have made
chilling recordings of the oppression and violence suffered by women under
Afghanistan's Taleban rule.  
Newshost: Rebekah, New Zealand:
How is the bombing in Afghanistan affecting women in Afghanistan?  
Sahar Saba:
Afghanistan is a country which has been at war for the last 20years - of
course women again are the first victims. Thousands of womenhave been forced
to leave Afghanistan again  with their children. Theyhave been a lot of
mental concern for women because the Taleban haveannounced this new law to
force men to go to the warfront. Also because ofthe lack of food, lack of
access to healthcare - this is a big issue forthousands of women.  The
borders at both sides, with Iran and Pakistan,are closed which is another
big issue for women and children, that theycannot come to Pakistan through
the mountains. So economically andsocially, it has very bad consequences for
our people in general and forwomen in particular as we have seen in the last
20 years. Again they arebecoming the victims because of this war and this is
the situation of war.So if they want it or not they are becoming the
victims.  
Newshost:   Avinash Waghray, New Delhi, India:
Do you think the air raids on Afghanistan are justified?  
Sahar Saba:
Not at all because this is not the solution. It cannot eradicate the real
terrorism and as we have clearly seen, our people again are becoming the
victims. Right now, thousands of our people are in danger of hunger or
starvation, bombings etc. - no one can guarantee their lives. We have been
receiving reports from Kabul - just yesterday we talked to one of our
colleagues - bombs have been dropped close to civilian places. This is not
the solution for today's Afghanistan. Secondly, no one is sure about the
result of these attacks. Who will replace the Taleban if they are removed?
That is the biggest  concern for everyone in Afghanistan.  
Newshost: Manoj Mathew, Jabalpur, India:
Are you getting any help from the men in Afghanistan for your fight against
women's oppression in your country?
Sahar Saba:  
We do fortunately - we have many great male supporters inside Afghanistan
and also in Pakistan. It is very difficult to work without men in these
societies. So of course we are trying to get more support. But that's why we
believe fundamentalists, religious extremists, are far different from the
common people - our enemy is fundamentalism, not the men in Afghanistan.
Newshost:  Michael Gotianun, Manila, Philippines:
If women are not allowed to work, what happens to widows or single
mothers  with no close relatives?  
Sahar Saba:  
Unfortunately for hundreds and thousands of these women have no option left
for them except to beg or to go into prostitution or committing suicide.
This is the situation, this is the tragedy with womenin Afghanistan.
Unfortunately RAWA is the only active organisation in Afghanistan and cannot
do more due to our very critical financial problems. Many of them have
committed suicide and the rate of committing suicide is increasing every
day. Also there is the psychological issuewith Afghan women - more than 95%
of women in Afghanistan have very serious psychological problems.  
Newshost:   Roushan Aziz, Dhaka, Bangladesh:
As the Afghan women are not allowed to go to school then how do you carryout
your educational programme?  
Sahar Saba:
It is unbelievable working in a society like Afghanistan but we do have
projects that are completely underground. We have never let the Taleban know
about our activities - the places, the timing etc. But wedo expect anything
from them at any time - it doesn't mean that we don't have problems. We are
working and taking a risk with our lives. It is only because we know how
important it is to give education under such a brutalregime.
Newshost: Balaram, Boston USA:
Why has there been no outrage in the Muslim world about the plight of women
in Afghanistan under the Taliban rule?  
Sahar Saba:  
I believe that unfortunately until September 11th Afghanistan was a
forgotten tragedy not only in Muslim countries but all around the world. But
suddenly it's become the centre of the international community and the media
and it's not about caring about the people of Afghanistan or the women.
Everyone knows why it is happening there in Afghanistan.  There has been
some outrage even in the Muslim countries but it was not enough in Western
countries and many other countries. There is some reason for this especially
in many Muslim countries, for example, Iran and Saudi Arabia - they are also
countries with fundamentalist regimes in power and their own people are
under oppression and they don't have the right to raise their voice against
their own governments let alone talking about other countries.  
Newshost:  Alice Dunkerley, Spain:
How different was life before the Taleban? Can you see women ever having
equal rights not only in Afghanistan, but places like Pakistan also?  
Sahar Saba:
We cannot say that women had full rights in Afghanistan or even in Pakistan
but what we can say is that we definitely cannot compare the situation of
women today with the situation of women 30 years ago. Thirty years ago we
had a country - women at least had rights - women were in the government -
more than 70% of the schoolteachers were women -boys and girls were studying
together. We had rights and we were considered as human beings. But what
happened with the Taleban, with the fundamentalist Northern Alliance and all
these parties the wheel of history has turned 100 years back. This is
thetragedy that we are not going ahead but we are going back.
Newshost: Cristian Lillo, Temuco, Chile:
Does the Northern Alliance treat women better than the Taleban?  
Sahar Saba:
No, unfortunately they are both fundamentalists - they have the same
mentality, the same ideology and it's based on experience that we had during
their time in power. We can never forget those four darkest years in our
history - in many ways they were worse than the Taleban. There were
kidnappings of young girls, rapes - even 70 year-old grandmothers. So how
can we say they are better?  No, they are as bad ase ach other - they are
fundamentalists and that is why both sides should be eliminated.  
Newshost:  Ajit Matthew, Bangalore, India:
Do you think women will be ever treated on a par once the Taleban leadership
is removed?  
Sahar Saba:  
We cannot say anything for sure but it depends more on who will replace the
Taleban and what kind of government we will have in the future. Of course we
hope to have a different government from these fundamentalists where women
at least are a part of the society - where women at least have the right to
work or to get something not only for themselves but for their children. But
we cannot say anything for sure.  
Newshost: sds Bergrsdttir, Reykjavik, Iceland:
Now there is much talk ofthe future government of Afghanistan of a gathering
of Afghan individuals and leaders to plan for the future. Has anyone
approached RAWA with anoffer to be included in such an assembly?  
Sahar Saba:
We think that RAWA must be apart of the future government, not because of
any kind of interest to bepower but just to represent half of the population
of Afghanistan. We doconsider and we have made sacrifices. We believe that
the goals we have -the  objectives - which are women rights, democracy and
secularism iswhat our people and our women want. So we hope there would be a
place forRAWA on behalf of Afghan women  
Newshost:
Has anyone asked to take part in any gathering yet?  
Sahar Saba:  
We have got some suggestions from our friends and we expect - so far not
officially - but we expect that soon we will have such offers.  
Newshost: John Wachman, Chicago, USA:
Can your desires for the rights ofwomen be achieved under any form of
Islamic government?  
Sahar Saba:  
The issue is not with the Islamic governments - the issue is with
fundamentalism. That is why I would again say with the example of
Afghanistan - that Afghanistan was a Muslim country thirty years ago. But it
was a different country. At least it was a normal country but today it is
not. So we don't believe that Islam or any religion can be an issue. The
issue is how they are misleadingthe people under the name of Islam or
religion - this is the issue.  
Newshost: Judy C, Seattle, USA:
Even if the Taleban is removed from governing, how might it be possible to
reshape men's thinking? They havehad total authority to brutalise women and
even kill them. What couldpossible make them stop? Sahar Saba:
Regarding the Taleban and the fundamentalist - everyone knows who they were
and how they were brought into power. So the issue now is between those who
have brought them into power and the Taleban itself - it has nothing to do
with our people. So it is better to find a solution tothis and we believe
stopping any kind of support - financial, military and political support to
both sides - the Taleban and Northern Alliance -would be the best solution.
Also the intervention of the United Nations peacekeeping forces in
Afghanistan could do something.  
Newshost: Anne Tuite, Antwerp, Belgium:
Do the women of Afghanistan actually want change or is there a large number
of women within Afghanistan who support the oppression of women?  
Sahar Saba:
How could one support such a brutal regime -having no rights, not being
considered as a human being. I can say that the majority of women in
Afghanistan are fed up with the fundamentalists, with the atrocities, with
the crimes that have been committed against them.  
Newshost: Liza Marie, Winder, USA:
Have you made any progress in letting the younger woman of your country know
thatwhat is going on - like the way woman are treated there is not the way
ofthe world and that it has not always been the way it is now?       
Sahar Saba:
This is one our main activities to especially educate young girls. The
priority for us is the young generation - especially the girls. That's why
even in Afghanistan those also raising awareness - not only about the
situation in Afghanistan,about their rights as women, but also about the
situation of women around the world and how they can have freedom - how they
can have their rights as human beings. We believe it's very important to
educate this young generation because the fundamentalists have not only
destroyed the past and the present but our future as well. This is our
responsibility to rebuild this future.       
Newshost: Bolandi, Poland:
How do the ordinary people feel - especially men, husbands - about the bad
situation of women in the Taleban's Afghanistan?       
Sahar Saba: 
Most of the men - most of the families hate the Taleban. I would say again
that they are hoping to see the elimination of the Talebanfrom the political
scene because they are  tired of war, they are tired ofthe destruction, they
are tired of the atrocities and brutalities that we cannot find in any part
of the world. So that's why no one can support a regime like the Taleban or
the fundamentalist in Afghanistan. Another issue is why we don't see a
visible resistance movement - people with empty stomachs and empty hands and
facing an enemy which is  talking with the language of the gun - it
impossible to hope for resistance from them. But people are not happy with
the situation and they want to change the situation.       
Newshost: Chaman, San Francisco, USA:
Do you not think there are women who love to cover them up to protect
themselves and for religious reasons? Even in a free country such as US
there are women who cover themselves up.  
Sahar Saba:
Yes there might be - even in Afghanistan - but the issue of the burkah in
Afghanistan and why it has been opposed by many women is that it has been
imposed by force - otherwise it is a right whether you want to cover
yourself or not. It must be that you have this as a right. Yes, many women
have covered themselves because of religious belief and many for other
reasons. But it must not be by force - this is the issue today in
Afghanistan.