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Titolo: Chi si ricorda della Sgrena?

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Giuliana Sgrena would probably be the first to say that to focus on her
case would be to miss the point on the extent of the daily, horrific
violence Iraqis face at the hands of US soldiers. Sgrena is the Italian
war correspondent that was shot by US forces as she was en route to the
Baghdad airport after being freed from a month of being held hostage by an
Iraqi resistance group. She knows better than most that if she and the
senior Italian intelligence official killed by US troops as he tried to
save her were merely Iraqi civilians, this would be even more of a
non-story than it already is in the US press.
With Terri Schiavo and Michael Jackson to cover, it is pretty difficult
for most media outlets to find the time to report on any of the more than
100,000 Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the invasion 2 years
ago. That's why cases like Sgrena's become so important-because they
represent a chance to show the world that part of the reality Iraqis face
every day of their lives: They are kidnapped in alarming numbers; they are
shot by trigger-happy US soldiers; their deaths are justified-if they are
even acknowledged-by US officials floating flimsy cover stories that would
never stand up in any US court (except perhaps a military court).
New details are emerging about Sgrena's shooting and the death of the
Italian official, Nicola Calipari, that bear reporting in English (this,
of course, remains a significant story in Italy). Independent journalist
Naomi Klein recently met with Sgrena in the Rome military hospital where
she has been since returning to Italy on March 5.
"Giuliana is quite a bit sicker than we have been led to believe," says
Klein. "She was fired on by a gun at the top of a tank, which means that
the artillery was very, very large. It was a four-inch bullet that entered
her body and broke apart. And it didn't just injure her shoulder, it
punctured her lung. Her lung continues to fill with fluid and there
continues to be complications stemming from that fairly serious injury."
This case has been written off by US officials as a "horrific accident"
that occurred on what we are told is "the most dangerous road in Iraq,"
where insurgents are constantly waiting in the bushes to attack. The
Pentagon further contends that the Italians failed to slow down at a
checkpoint and only after repeated attempts to stop the car did soldiers
fire on the Italians. The problem is, according to Sgrena, this shooting
didn't happen on that road. What's more, Sgrena says that there was no US
checkpoint for which to slow down.
"This is treated as a fairly common and understandable incident that there
would be a shooting like this on that road," Klein says. "I was on that
road myself, and it is a really treacherous place with explosions going
off all the time and a lot of checkpoints. What Giuliana told me that I
had not realized before is that she wasn't on that road at all."
According to Klein, when Calipari was killed and Sgrena wounded, they were
on a secured road that can only be accessed through the heavily-fortified
Green Zone and is reserved exclusively for top foreign embassy and US
officials. "It's a completely separate road, actually a Saddam-era road,
it would seem, that allowed his vehicles to pass directly from the airport
to his palace," says Klein. "And now that is the secured route between the
U.S. military base at the airport and the U.S. controlled Green Zone and
the U.S. embassy."
"It was a VIP road, for embassy people, not for normal people," Sgrena
told Klein. "I was only able to be on that road because I was with people
 from the Italian embassy."
So when Calipari, the Italian security intelligence officer, picked up
Sgrena from the abandoned vehicle where her captors left her, they drove
directly to that road via Green Zone.
That explains why Sgrena said that when they drove to the airport she
"thought we were finally safe, because the area where we were was under
the control of the United States."
Klein says that Sgrena is very frustrated by the US government's claim,
repeated consistently by the media, that the Italians were fired at from a
checkpoint. "She says it wasn't a checkpoint at all," Klein says. "It was
simply a tank parked on the side of the road that opened fire on them.
There was no process of trying to stop the car, she said, or any signals.
 From her perspective, it was just opening fire by a tank."
"It was not a checkpoint. Nobody asked us to stop," Sgrena told Klein "All
the streets we were on were USA controlled so we thought they knew we were
going through. They didn't try to stop us, they just shot us. They have a
way to signal us to stop but they didn't give us any signals to stop and
they were at least 10 meters off the street to the side."
Sgrena also says that the US soldiers fired at them from behind, which of
course contradicts the claim that the soldiers fired in self-defense.
"Part of what we're hearing is that the U.S. soldiers opened fire on their
car, because they didn't know who they were, and they were afraid," says
Klein. "The fear, of course, is that their car could have blown up or that
the soldiers might come under attack themselves. And what Giuliana Sgrena
really stressed with me was that the bullet that injured her so badly came
 from behind, entered through the back of the car. And the only person who
was not severely injured in the car was the driver, and she said that this
is because the shots weren't coming from the front."
"They were coming from the right and behind, i.e. they were driving away.
So, the idea that this was an act of self-defense, I think becomes much
more questionable," says Klein. "Because if indeed the majority of the
gunfire is coming from behind, then clearly, the soldiers were firing at a
car that was driving away from them."
That could explain why the US military in Iraq has blocked the Italian
government from inspecting the Italians' vehicle, even though the car is
the property of the Italian government which bought it from the rental
agency after this incident. "I think they have something to hide if they
won't give the car over for inspection," Sgrena told Klein. "It's very
strange. If there is nothing to hide, why not let Italian justice
officials see the car?"
"It was not self-defense," Sgrena said. "The soldiers were to the right of
us on the side of the road, they started to shoot from the right and kept
shooting from behind but most of the shots came from behind, Calipari was
shot from the right and I was shot in the shoulder from behind. When we
stopped, they were behind us. We could see that all the back windows of
the car were broken from behind. If they are afraid, they can stop the
car, they can ask it to stop, then you can shoot at the wheels but they
didn't do that. They didn't try to stop the car and they shot at least ten
bullets at the level of people sitting inside the car. If Calipari had not
pushed me down they could have killed me."
This case sheds important light on the culture of impunity surrounding the
US occupation of Iraq. If this is how Washington treats Italy, one of its
closest allies in the so-called war on terror, when US soldiers kill the
country's second-highest ranking intelligence official, imagine the
struggle Iraqis face as they die in the tens of thousands. They don't have
a powerful figure like Sylvio Berlusconi to advocate for them. Instead,
they have unembedded reporters like Giuliana Sgrena who risk their lives
to tell these stories.
"You have to protect the life of journalists who are going and speaking to
the people," says Luciana Castellina, one of the founders of Sgrena's
newspaper Il Manifesto. "Otherwise, the result would be that we wouldn't
have any journalists anymore or only the embedded journalists."

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scritto:
Sgrena chi ?
Quella dei 400 colpi ?
Ancora ?
Ma non era andata alle Maldive ?
Kairaddin

Sgrena chi ?
Namib : una volta ti limitava alla conta dei cadaveri.
Ora che fai ? Li resusciti ?
Kairaddin

 >Sgrena chi ?
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Vuoi prendere l' Oscar del buongusto?
E io che c'entro ?
E' Namib che sta rimestando il calderone, che sta facendo prove di
ressurezione alla Lazzaro.
Io prendo solo atto.
Kairaddin

 Sgrena chi ?
Quella che è stata salvata da uno dei "nostri ragazzi", gentilmente
ammazzato da uno dei "tuoi ragazzi".
Namib

 Ora che fai ? Li resusciti ?
Ma ce n'è uno: Calipari. Già dimenticato, eh?
Namib

 
Chissà che gli US non vogliano proprio questo.
Ciao

"They were coming from the right and behind,
Ah! Adesso sono anche a destra :) E' gia' qualcosa :)
-Stefano

gentilmente ammazzato da uno dei "tuoi ragazzi".
Questa invece e' una emerita puttanata che non riuscirai mai a
dimostrare :)
-Stefano

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#_Il tuo senso della realta`e`molto interessante!
Non capisco se sei precisamente votato al buddhismo pure tu... cmq, di
sicuro saresti un soggetto sul quale varrebbe organizzare un'intera
conferenza di psichiatri!
Giano.

 she has been since returning to Italy on March 5.
Ahie !! Ancora quella cretina di Naomi Klein ? 

 Giano.
Piu' che altro ormai e' passato dall'altra parte.
A forza di mettere in questione la realta', e' scivolato in piena 
irrealta'.
Pensavo che ci fosse qualche forma di ragionamento dietro le sue 
critiche ma in realta' non ce n'e' nessuna.
Am.

critiche ma in realta' non ce n'e' nessuna.
Idem come sopra :)
Ma se vuoi puoi mostrarci che la Sgrena ha un buco alla spalla di 10cm
circa :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 irrealta'.
#_Dici bene!
Quella sua mania di contradizione, travalica ogni logica.
Io ho persino azzardato, tempo fa, che lui abbia un dubbio profondo 
sulla sua esistenza, che va al di la' della percezione della materia.
Seriamente, non credo gli basti ogni giorno di pizzicarsi per esserne 
certo, ma che sia necessario a lui stesso un "Certificato di Nascita", 
ma solo se in carta bollata; l'unica PROVA che qualcuno lo ha PORTATO AL 
MONDO!
Giano

ammazzato da uno dei "tuoi ragazzi".
Okay la battuta ti spetta di diritto, ma sai meglio di me cosa
intendo.
Calipari, un erore del nostro tempo non sara' MAI dimenticato, meno
che mai se qualcuno cerca di insabbiarne l'assassinio (sic).
Io parlo della piccola mitomane per salvare la cui vita Calipari e'
morto.
La donnetta che insieme al suo degno compagno ha vomitato indegne
cazzate e che ogni persona seria, anche a sinistra, ha cercato di
"dimenticare".
Tranne te, che stai rievocando fantasmi che sarebbe bene lasciare nel
paese delle ombre dei morti polici.
Ma a quanto pare tu hai bisogno  di rinfrescarti  con un bicchiere di
odio al veleno.
Buon pro.
Kairaddin

 morto.
Curioso,sembra quasi che sia colpa della Sgrena se Calipari sia morto... 
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Curioso,sembra quasi che sia colpa della Sgrena se Calipari sia morto... 
Indirettamente, si.
Se la piccola mitomane non si fosse trattenuta 4 ore alla Moschea non
si sarebbe fatta sequestrare.
Kairaddin

 Indirettamente, si.
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Sempre indirettamente,se Bush non avesse invaso l' Irak nè  la Sgrena nè
Calipari si sarebbero trovati in Medio Oriente.
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Sempre indirettamente,se Bush non avesse invaso l' Irak
Il nesso tra le due cose, ammesso che esista?
-Stefano

Calipari si sarebbero trovati in Medio Oriente.
Quanto a Bush leva pure l'indirettamnete, per quanto mi riguarda : lui
* e' * IL responsabile di tutto.
Della guerra, e dei suoi uomini che hanno sparato a Calipari.
Kairaddin

 Indirettamente, si.
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Non che io abbia simpatia per la Sgrena - che non ne  ho alcuna -  ma in 
linea teorica tu ritieni che i giornalisti (gente che per mestiere va in 
mezzo ai troiai e li racconta) dovrebbero davvero attenersi a qualche regola 
che li tiene lontani da quei guai che devono raccontare?
Da che mondo è mondo, un giornalista che va a raccontare la guerra rischia 
la pelle.
I responsabili del rapimento della Sgrena sono i terroristi iraqueni, e i 
responsabili della morte di Calipari sono i soldati americani: perchè 
cazzeggi, dunque?
rosalucsemburg

perchè cazzeggi, dunque?
...disse il bue all'asino...
-Stefano

 di altri.
Ste', con tutto il cinismo, e' piuttosto l'incontrario. Sono altri che 
hanno deciso di correre il rischio per lei come cittadina italiana e 
persona umana. Almeno cosi' l'ha interpretata Calipari e gli italiani.
A forza di dietrologia non  si farebbe piu' nulla.
D'altra parte l'atteggiamento di Sgrena e' chiaro, cosi' come lei l'ha 
raccontato alla BBC. Far parlare la gente che non ha diritto di parola 
in una guerra, i civili.
Io penso che e' l'ABC di un giornalista. A me sembra che abbiano tutti e 
due seguito le implicazioni del loro lavoro.
Am.

lavoro.
Puttanata.
-Stefano

 -Stefano
L'hai rifatto, Stefano. Quella parola. Tsk, tsk.
Am.

L'hai rifatto, Stefano.
Cioe' ho mostrato una delle tue solite puttanate? :)
E' fin troppo facile farlo :)
-Stefano

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Quella parolaccia.
Rilassati piuttosto?
Chinotto?
Am.

 -Stefano 

 Quella parolaccia.
Parolaccia????
*ROTFL*
-Stefano

avanti:
Domandati dove hai lasciato il cervello l'ultima volta che l'hai usato
:)
-Stefano

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mercenari italiani, a suo tempo rapiti, che almeno erano armati.
E perche' mai?  Chi e' morto per le loro scelte se non loro stessi caro
fessacchiotto?
-Stefano

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l'uso di quella parola,
Abbiamo sentito la ca***ta del giorno :)
-Stefano

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me lo avevano estratto
Impossibile :)   Per estrarlo doveva come minimo essere presente :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

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e tu, cavernicolo
...disse il cavernicolo che si "incazza"... :)
-Stefano

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STRAQUOTO!
Ciao

 mercenari italiani, a suo tempo rapiti, che almeno erano armati.
Infatti: l'intera linea temporale ha congiurato a far sě che il povero
Calipari (onore al soldato) morisse. Sono tutti responsabili, *tranne*
(secondo la logica degli zerbini) chi gli ha fisicamente piantato una
pallottola in corpo. Bah y bye.
Namib