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Titolo: lord haw hawmalric-gramma su galiziani filonazisti

ehi lord haw hawmalric leggi un po' sui galiziani razzisti e russofobi e i
loro amichetti inglesi...
da 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288361/posts
One of the so-called “independent” election observers whose denunciation
of the Yanukovich camp for fraud has been a central part of the propaganda
battle is the British Conservative MEP, Charles Tannock, who has appeared
in recent days on opposition platforms egging on the protestors. Before
the elections Mr Tannock wrote several articles openly backing Viktor
Yushchenko’s candidacy, but Mr Tannock’s best known intervention in
Ukrainian politics before the disputed presidential election was his
criticism of the courts for banning the anti-Semitic newspaper, Silski
visti. 
Like Viktor Yushchenko and Julia Timoshenko, MEP Tannock condemned the ban
saying in an interview in the Our Ukraine party newspaper on 12th March,
2004: “the closure of the newspaper went a step far too far” according to
Mr Tannock’s own web-page. He goes on to admit that as a backer of Our
Ukraine “I don’t think it does your party any good to be associated with
extreme [emphasis added] anti-Semitic articles”!
[
http://www.charlestannock.com/pressarticle.asp?ID=360
 ] 
Sadly the Silski visti affair was not unique. 
In western Ukraine in particular (as in Britain and North America) there
is an aging cohort of elderly veterans of the Waffen SS’s Galician
division. They are anxious to revise their country’s history and
re-habilitate their wartime service on behalf of the Third Reich. In
Ukraine these old Nazis parade protesting their patriotism and demanding
equal rights with Red Army veterans. A younger more aggressive and openly
racist and neo-Nazi cohort of historical revisionists has also appeared.
They have their “intellectual” spokesmen whose anti-Semitic and white
supremacist writings have produced scandal in Kiev not only in Silski
visti. 
In western Ukrainian towns like Ivano-Frankivsk, the uniformed bully-boys
of the UNSO movement, so-called Ukrainian Self-Defence forces, act as
enforcers for Our Ukraine in effect. Mr Yushchenko scored well over 90% in
western regions like Ivano-Frankivsk – results at least as improbable as
any for Mr Yanukevich in the east of the country. How much does Mr
Yushchenko’s near unanimous support in western towns depend on the storm
troopers of the Ukrainian new right? 
It is shocking that any link could exist between such neo-Nazi muscle men
and their propagandists and politicians usually presented in the
Anglo-American media as the harbingers of Western democracy and universal
humanitarian values in Ukraine. Even more bizarre than the defence of the
right of an anti-Semite to disseminate his wares by “pro-Western”
Ukrainian politicians like Yushchenko, Julia Timoshenko and Aleksandr
Moroz is the fact that Mr. Yushchenko’s candidacy for president of Ukraine
is openly backed by the famous American billionaire philanthropist, George
Soros, himself a survivor of the Holocaust. 
....
In Ukraine, in the presidential elections, Soros’s people back Yushchenko
but he is also supported by Andrei Shkil’s ultra-nationalist UNSO.
Vyacheslav Likhachev of the European-Asian Jewish Congress noted the
unsettling links between Mr Soros’s preferred candidate for Ukrainian
president, Yuschchenko, and the neo-Nazis there after the 2002
parliamentary elections 
“the former leader of the UNA-UNSD Andry Shkil was elected to the
parliament in a single-ticket election in the Lviv region, with the
support of Our Ukraine, led by Viktor Yuschenko (Victor Yuschenko is a
former prime minister and one of the quite probable presidential
candidates). At the time elections were held, the leader of the
nationalists had been in jail for a year, accused of organizing mass
anti-government riots. Having been elected, Andry Shkil was granted
immunity to criminal prosecution. Thus, the moderate national-democrats
form unions with the radicals.” 
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tie' leggiti anche qualche articolo da questo link della pagina Les
fascistes derrière Iouchenko 
http://www.michelcollon.info/articles.php?dateaccess=2004-12-27%2012:48:18&log=invites
SS GALICIA 
Ivano-Frankivsk City Council resolution recognizes Halychyna Division
veterans 
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by Roman Woronowycz 
Kyiv Press Bureau 
KYIV - With days left before the parliamentary elections in Ukraine, a
resolution proposed by the Ivano-Frankivsk City Council which would extend
combat veteran status to members of the Halychyna Division of the
Ukrainian National Army, a World War II Ukrainian fighting force that
battled against both the Soviet Army and Nazi forces, has caused an
international stir. 
The action has brought the ire of Moscow, which blasted the decision as
"regretful" and "shameful," along with critical statements from Jewish
community leaders both in Kyiv and the United States. 
The resolution, passed by the City Council of Ivano-Frankivsk on March 19,
would give Halychyna Division veterans additional pensions and other
government subsidies similar to what Soviet Army veterans currently enjoy.
However, unlike the Soviet veterans, who are cared for by the central
government, the Ivano-Frankivsk City Council would take upon itself the
financial burden to the Ukrainian veterans. It earlier had agreed to
compensate from its own till another group of Ukrainian freedom fighters
from World War II, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). 
Before the resolution becomes law, it needs the mayor's signature. Before
that, however, it must go through a process of legal and historical
analyses. If implemented it would extend benefits to 24 survivors who are
residents of Ivano-Frankivsk, most of them disabled former prisoners of
the Soviet gulag. 
The All-Ukraine Jewish Congress, which has vehemently protested the
decision, organized a rally on March 27 at the Monument to the Unknown
Soldier in Kyiv to protest the city council move. Vadim Rabinovich,
president of the congress, called the decision "a crime against the
Ukrainian and Jewish people." 
During the meeting, held with several hundred mostly disinterested looking
students in attendance, Ukrainian Jewish leaders read a statement from the
Simon Wiesenthal Center, located in Los Angeles, which read in part:
"Those who volunteered to fight on the side of Germany and Hitler are the
moral equivalent of Bin Laden and the terrorist cells of Al Qaeda." 
It could not be determined whether the students were forced or paid for
their presence or whether they came voluntarily. 
Moscow also came out strongly against the local decision. Interfax
reported that the Russian Foreign Ministry condemned the move by
Ivano-Frankivsk city officials on March 20, calling it "a shameful act of
betrayal" of millions of Nazi victims. The statement said that Russia
could not accept recognition of a fighting force that had murdered
thousands of "our fathers and grandfathers." 
Ukraine's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, meanwhile, responded to the charges
by stating on March 26 that the issue is an internal matter, which should
not have a bearing on relations with other states, while underscoring that
satisfying all sides in the matter of who should be considered Ukrainian
veterans of World War II is not an easy task. 
"The issue is not limited to the Halychyna Division, but extends to the
broader question, which includes the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) and
its role, as well," explained Ihor Dolhov, ministry spokesman. "It is a
deeply national, deeply moral issue, one which involves matters of
historical accuracy and national reconciliation, as well as respect for
veterans of liberation movements on Ukrainian territory." 
In an interview with The Weekly, Ivano-Frankivsk City Council Press
Secretary Ihor Pasichniak criticized Moscow for twisting the facts and
turning the matter into a pre-election issue. 
"This is a provocation and it is meant to intrude on the electoral
process," explained Mr. Pasichniak. 
He explained that at no point were additional pensions or subsidies
considered for members of the Waffen SS Halychyna Division. All
references, without exception, were for government pensions and subsidies
to members of theHalychyna Division of the Ukrainian National Army, which
developed from the remnants of the Waffen SS military unit after it was,
for all practical purposes, wiped out by the Soviet Army at the Battle of
Brody. Those Ukrainian National Army division members who did not flee to
Western Europe as World War II ended were eventually absorbed into the
UPA. 
The matter of pensions and subsidies for veterans of Halychyna Disivion
came up at the tail end of a regular session of the Ivano-Frankivsk City
Council on March 19. When the council addressed the last point on its
agenda, "Miscellany," Councilman Zinovii Boichuk tabled the matter of the
compensation, which was duly voted upon and supported. 
With the events in Ivano-Frankivsk evolving as the election season
climaxed, some media outlets in the fiercely polarized and caustic
Ukrainian press - and several Russian ones, as well - quickly labeled the
move as representative of the "fascist tendencies" of the supporters of
Viktor Yushchenko, the head of the Our Ukraine election bloc, which has
much support in the western regions of Ukraine and the city of
Ivano-Frankivsk. 
However, a city dweller who wished to remain anonymous told The Weekly
that Mr. Boichuk belongs to the Ukrainian Republican Party, which is
associated with the Yulia Tymoshenko election bloc. 
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e sempre in galizia sulla russofobia di questi supporter degli attuali
governanti ucraini che tu e quel fasciocraxiano di tonibaruch avete a
cuore...
News 
Extremist Nationalism in Lviv, Ukraine 
(November 7, 2000) 
The Guardian (UK) 
7 November 2000 
Ukraine wages war on Russian language 
Death of folk-singer fuels anger 
By Ian Traynor in Lviv 
Orest Dzhmyl fully understands the language he was forced to learn in a
Soviet primary school. But the 20-year-old maths student will not speak a
word of it. 
Slumped in front of a television in a hall decked with the paraphernalia
of Ukrainian nationalism, he and his three skinhead mates explain their
loathing for the language of Pushkin and recall with relish the day the
local Russians got their comeuppance in Lviv. 
"I've not really got anything against Russians. Some of them are my
friends. But they've got to realise this is not Russia, this is Ukraine,
and I love my country." 
"If the Russians don't like it here, they should leave." 
Mr Dzhmyl is a foot soldier on the frontline of Ukraine's linguistic war.
In a country where Ukrainian - banned by Russian tsars and communists - is
now the official tongue but the majority still speak Russian, language is
an incendiary issue. 
One evening in the summer, Mr Dzhmyl and fellow members of the Patriots of
Ukraine, the militaristic youth wing of the extremist Social National
party, [UCSJ Note: A neo-Nazi group formerely known as the National
Socialist Party.] went on the rampage in Lviv, trashing cafes and bars
frequented by young Russians. 
Since then "Muscovites Out" graffiti have been daubed across Lviv, and
Russian Orthodox churches have been vandalised. 
"You don't hear so much Russian spoken on the streets now," he grins. 
"Anti-Russian hysteria," complains Roman Manyakin, an ethnic Russian
political scientist from the east Ukrainian city of Donetsk. 
"Those nationalists are Nazis preaching a gospel of ethnic intolerance." 
"It's depressing," says Inna Pidluska, a political analyst in Kiev. "And
the government is turning a blind eye." 
Independent Ukraine is struggling to shake off centuries of Russification.
As any student of 19th-century European nationalism knows, language is
central to nation building. Ukraine is discovering that the principle
remains axiomatic in the 21st century. 
Around 20% of Ukrainians are ethnic Russians, yet more than 60% of the
population of 51m speak Russian. 
"Any real native of Kiev speaks Russian," says a Ukrainian man born and
bred in the city. "We learned Russian at school, we speak Russian at home,
and I can't be bothered learning Ukrainian now. I'm too old for that." 
Mr Dzhmyl spends his weekends marching in a white shirt and black tie
under 8ft Ukrainian banners or doing paramilitary training in the hills
outside Lviv. 
"The Russians are our biggest problem," says his leader, Andri Parubi, 27.
"We're training young people for service in the army and developing their
patriotic spirit." 
Since independence in 1991, the Ukrainian government has switched lessons
in thousands of schools from Russian to Ukrainian. But while Kiev may be
banking on schooling to revive the mother tongue, this is not enough for
the authorities in Lviv, the stronghold of Ukrainian nationalism, which is
Lvov to the Russians, Lemberg to the Viennese, and Lwow to the Poles. 
The Lviv city council has been trying to ban Russian-language pop music in
bars and cafes and to close down a Russian-language radio station, and
linguistic vigilantes have been cruising shops and kiosks, bullying
retailers into dumping Russian literature, newspapers and CDs. 
It's a tall order. Russian-language newspapers still outnumber Ukrainian
10 to one across the country. At a second-hand book stall there are only
tomes in Russian. In an art gallery bookshop, Russian predominates. 
"We specialise in philosophy and those books haven't been translated into
Ukrainian," explains the shop assistant. "We do have a Ukrainian version
of Kant's Critique of Reason if you're interested." 
Another Lviv bookseller says the local authority is trying either to ban
Russian publications or to slap on punitive taxes. But Ms Pidluska in Kiev
says the reason for the domination of Russian is simple. 
"Nobody will put any money into publishing books in Ukrainian." 
Lviv's language war was ignited by the death of a popular local
folk-singer, Igor Bilozir. At an outdoor cafe one evening in May, he and a
friend were playing his Ukrainian ballads while a group of Russian youths
at the next table were singing songs in Russian. 
The Russians warned Bilozir to stop singing in Ukrainian. He refused. They
came to blows. The fighting spilled along the street and the 45-year-old
slumped to the ground after a blow to the head. He died three weeks later
in hospital, becoming for Ukrainian nationalists an instant martyr. 
"He was killed because he sang songs in his own language," says Mr Parubi.
Russian newspapers turned things around and said the dispute was over the
right to use the Russian language. 
More than 100,000 people in Lviv turned out for Bilozir's funeral. The
next day the Patriots of Ukraine went on the rampage. 
Two ethnic Russian youths were arrested on suspicion of murder. One was
released inexplicably on bail and left the country, the other is the son
of the local deputy police chief. Expectations of a fair trial are low. 
A black cross, flowers and a picture of the songwriter mark the spot where
he died. "Igor Bilozir. Murdered here by Russian-speaking thugs," reads
the inscription across the road from the local McDonald's. 
"Do you like McDonald's?" asks Orest Dzhmyl. "I don't. I like our national
food. Borshch. It's not Russian, it's Ukrainian." 
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 re-habilitate their wartime service on behalf of the Third Reich.
Sarebbe interessante chiedere quali sono queste 'coorti' galiziane in 
USA e UK, se non nell'immaginazione dell'estensore.
Certo uno, per assicurarsi la sopravvivenza come stalinista, deve 
andare a rivangare anche nei peggiori rifiuti della storia europea, per 
intossicare a dovere...
Am.

 USA e UK, se non nell'immaginazione dell'estensore.
Che molti reduci ucraini delle SS e di unita' subordinate si siano 
rifugiati in UK e sopratutto in Canada dopo il '45 e' un fatto.
Palmiro Pangloss
-- 
Giuliano Ferrara for SISMI

 Palmiro Pangloss
Ma solo nel caso che si siano moltiplicati come topi, creando poi le 
loro scuole per SS, oggi ci sarebbero le coorti in USA e in UK di cui 
parla il nostro burlone.
Non che sottovaluti l'Arianesimo Bianco e il BNP, ma non li 
sottovalutano neanche le polizie.
Anzi, direi che tifoserie e naziskin in UK sono assai piu' sotto 
controllo che i neofascisti ed i teppisti di qui.
E infine che 'sta gente sia in grado di influenzare la politica estera 
di USA e UK e' pura fantascienza.
Magari gradita a nostalgici stalinisti, e dietrologhi rossi e neri, ma 
pur sempre fantascienza...
Am.

 rifugiati in UK e sopratutto in Canada dopo il '45 e' un fatto.
ormai il cervellino di lord haw hawmalric e' andato completamente. 
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 di USA e UK e' pura fantascienza.
solito cazzataro de londra...  
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 solito cazzataro de londra...
Invece di fornire prove sei ridotto agli insulti: triste naufragio 
intellettuale di un razzista anglofobo.
Am.

amalric ha scritto:
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ma ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sei ignorante come tonibaruch e vuoi pure che ti servano sempre la
pappetta pronta, tarato londinese?? 
Prendi la presidentessa lituana, ad esempio. Da dove e' ritornata ciccio?
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 esempio. Da dove e' ritornata ciccio?
Ci stai confondendo le idee: e' una nazista della Galizia?
Quante sono numericamente 'ste forze naziste inviate dai paesi 
anglosassoni nelle repubbliche ex-sovietiche?
Dev'essere una roba impressionante...
ROTFL!
Am.

 anglosassoni nelle repubbliche ex-sovietiche?
E quanti anni hanno? Me li vedo sfilare a braccio teso sulle sedie a 
rotelle spinte da arianissime badanti.
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 rotelle spinte da arianissime badanti.
Già, ma poi inquadrano divisioni di galiziani etnicamente puri che 
armati di succhielli forniti da Londra marciano verso il gasdotto 
dell'amicizia ucraino-gazpromica...
'sti ladri nazisti di galiziani!
Tb
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TBLOG
http://tonibaruch.blogspot.com

 dell'amicizia ucraino-gazpromica...
Ma no pasaran! Il kombinat social-petro-gas-russo e' pronto a fermarli: 
http://moped.altervista.org/gazpromvsucraina/
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 Palmiro Pangloss
Ridi poco, che queli vampiri ex-rossi dell'ENI sono pronti ad usare 
l'esercito pur di obbligarci a pagare le bollette piu' care d'Europa...
Am.

 Ci stai confondendo le idee: e' una nazista della Galizia?
no, a guarda come e' legata agli USA e chissa' perche'.
Idem tra i nazionalisti ucraini guarda come spesso ci sono legami con chi
era scappato negli USA o in Canada.
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Ah, mi ricordero' sempre quello che mi dissero aTartu, in Estonia. 
Avevano subito l'invasione nazista, che respinti i nazi arrivarono i 
sovietici che misero al muro tutti gli intellettuali borghesi e li 
massacrarono con le mitragliatrici.
I baltici dopo quarant'anni di occupazione sovietica, stavano 
rischiando di estinguersi demograficamente visto le pesanti 
esportazioni di popolazione russa, e la proibizione di insegnare la 
loro lingua a scuola.
E quando si ribellarono finalmente ai russi, mi ricordo che a Roma si 
disse e si scrisse: che cosa vogliono 'sti baltici, Gorbaciov non ha 
gia' dato fin troppo?
Ah, hai scelto proprio l'esempio sbagliato, tovarich. Me la ricordo io 
l'Armata Rossa a presidiare le strade, mentre loro cantavano facendo 
una catena umana attraverso il paese...
E pensi che non avrebbero chiesto aiuto agli USA, di fronte 
all'indifferenza europea?
Anche tu parti in quarta per la coppa 'Cretino del 2006'...
Am.

 rischiando di estinguersi demograficamente
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
l'ha sparata di nuovo bella grossa l'allievo razzista e russofobo
prediletto di tonigoebbels!
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Ero in Estonia  all'epoca di Gorbaciov, e la proporzione della 
popolazione russofona aveva raggiunto quasi il 50%. La lingua estone, 
di origine ugrofinnica, in molte scuole non veniva piu' insegnata,col 
pretesto che non serviva a niente. Quindi gli estoni rischiavano di 
estinguersi culturalmente, se non demograficamente.
Economicamente, negli anni 1940, avevano il potere d'acquisto degli 
svedesi, e 40 anni dopo, quello dei russi. Questi ultimi avevano 
massacrato anche gli intellettuali borghesi, cosicche' non esisteva 
piu' che una piccola intellighentsia che non fosse russa, in 
particolare gli scienziati dell'Accademia delle Scienze Estone, che era 
osteggiata da quella Russa.
Ecco in concreto. Confido che vorrai estendere le solite accuse di 
nazismo, mentre ti prepari lo henne' e il gel, gorgheggiando un aria 
del Barbiere di Siviglia.
Lo sai che sono un tuo fan: su cantamene un'altra.
Dal Covent Garden,
Il Tarato Londinese