Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Cosa imparano i mussulmani

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006
What Muslims Learn
"No sir, please, I promise sir, I won't do it again. P-l-e-a-s-e sir."
His pleas made no difference. Our English teacher had a vise-like grip 
on the left wrist of that student. A few days before we had a brief 
English test. That student got 5 out of 10. Like everybody else, he had 
to get the signature of one of his parents. Which he did, after he had 
changed that "5" to an "8". Now, the student was fruitlessly attempting 
to avoid the customary thrashing.
The teacher held the wrist of the student with his left hand and with 
his right hit the student multiple times; on the head, the face, the 
neck, a few punches on the ribs. I sat in front of the class, a few feet 
away from the entire revolting episode.
The student was half-way between standing upright and on his knees. His 
voice muffled because of sobs, he again futilely begged, "P-p-please 
s-s-sir, I w-w-won't do it..."
Then, a man from the school administration entered the room to hand the 
teacher some kind of note. That man looked at the whole situation and 
airily inquired about the weeping student. The teacher told the story as 
he hit him again. The man responded in Punjabi, "Tsk, kids nowadays" and 
then left.
The above scene was from my Pakistani school in Saudi Arabia. It was 
just another normal day at our Muslim school. Everyone knew about the 
default mode of "teaching". Most of the teachers barked out whatever was 
in the books and the students heard the whole thing without often 
comprehending the subject. Practically all the students had study 
guides, or photocopies of them, to answer the questions for the various 
assignments.
Most students, myself included, simply memorized whatever was in the 
books and the study guides and regurgitated the material on tests and 
exams. This activity of cramming alien material into our heads was known 
as ratta (pronounced rut-ta). It was sad that most students did the same 
with mathematics; they could solve any problem from the book but give 
'em something even slightly different, and they would be stumped.
Arabic was our third language; Urdu and English were the first and 
second respectively. This made Arabic and Islamiyat (the study/world of 
Islam) our worst courses. To top it off, we had the most grotesque 
teacher for these two subjects. He wore shalwar kameez and had a big 
black beard. His style of teaching was quite simple: If the kid doesn't 
learn, then you haven't beaten him enough.
On the day of our test, this teacher would start off by calling out a 
student and then telling him to write such-and-such sura from the Quran. 
Understand that the meaning of the Quran is immaterial, what matters is 
that a student could vomit it all back. If the student made even a 
single mistake, then the teacher would send him off to the faculty 
lounge. You see, all the exquisite dunday (long and strong wooden 
sticks) were there. The teacher would tell the student to bring back the 
one with the black tape--the heaviest one. I can't imagine that long 
walk. Afterwards the teacher would hit the open palms of the student 
with the stick, one hit for every mistake. A few students later, the 
teacher would get bored, so he would start hitting students on the back 
of their knees and thighs as they wrote out the verses on the board and 
made errors.
Imagine the effects of this Muslim way of teaching on the psyche of 
young kids. Formal education becomes synonymous with pain and suffering. 
These kids repeatedly learn that violence is an acceptable method of 
instruction. When they do graduate from high school, they have little to 
zero understanding of what they've "learned". Whatever they've memorized 
evaporates within a few years and all they're left with is horror 
stories of vile teachers.
If it wasn't for my introduction to the Western way of teaching less 
than a decade ago, then I would have forever thought of teaching as an 
odious profession. Though, most Muslims aren't so lucky. Everyday, 
thousands, perhaps millions, of Muslims are brutalized by their teachers 
as we're repeatedly told that Islam is a Religion of Peace.
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Some of you might be asking, "How could the parents allow this barbarity 
to continue in schools?" You naively assume that such violence is 
limited to schools in Muslim lands.

 His pleas made no difference. Our English teacher
#_Era un insegnante Inglese, o un insegnante di Inglese!?
Nelle scuole "vittoriane" in UK non sarebbe tanto raro ( e neanche agli
antipodi...aNZi!)...Chiedi ad amalric che ha ancora il marchio del
flessibbbbile bamboo sui glutei per aver chiamato "pinguino" *anche* il suo
teacher.:-/
Giano

Il Sig. Romanato Mirco, nello sforzo di dimostrare che la razza araba è di
molto inferiore alla civiltà occidentale, ha pensato di pubblicare
l'articolo di cui al link:
http://isaacschrodinger.typepad.com/isaacschrodinger/2006/01/what_muslims_le.html
Voglio ricordare che negli USA, culla della civiltà occidentale, le
persone in età scolare assisitono in media a 22 ore di televisione per
settimana e che, grazie alla programmazione dei network commerciali,
arrivano ad assistere a circa 18.000 morti violente.
Ma in fondo si tratta di fiction e poi le cose negli ultini anni stanno
migliorando...
# For students 12-18 years old, overall school crime (including theft,
rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault and simple assault)
decreased by nearly one-third (1/3), from 144 crimes per 1,000 students in
1992 to 101 crimes per 1,000 students in 1998.
# Compared to a high of 49 deaths reported in 1995-96, 34 violent deaths
were reported in 1998-99.
# Fewer students are carrying weapons or engaging in physical fights. In
1998-99, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school,
down from 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97.
Non è dato sapere quale sia il numero delle bacchettate ricevuto.
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http://isaacschrodinger.typepad.com/isaacschrodinger/2006/01/what_muslims_le.html
La dimostrazione che la persona che ha scritto sopra è un ignorante, se 
non proprio stupido:
Come è possibile comparare una razza ed una civiltà?
Visto che sono cose completamente differenti è impossibile.
Io ho solo pubblicizzato (la pubblicazione è del suo autore) un articolo 
interessante in cui mi sono imbattuto.
Se intendi discutere della cosa, magari anche dimostrare che il sistema 
educativo saudita è il più avanzato del mondo, sei libero di farlo. 
Sarebbe anche una cosa interessante ed istruttiva.
Il fatto che tu preferisca abbassare il livello del discorso ad un 
attacco personale contro di me indica la tua disonestà intellettuale.
Mirco

 attacco personale contro di me indica la tua disonestà intellettuale.
Mi spiace che te al sia presa per la mia becera ironia "bar-style" del mio
primo reply. Il problema è proprio questo: non è una questione personale e
come te ce ne sono tanti.
Ti saluto, sperando di leggerti in 
it.istruzione.scuola
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 discussione qui.
La politica internazionale può essere affrontata su molti livelli:
1) al livello di tifo politico, pro o contro qualcuno, per dare aria ai 
propri sentimenti
2) a livello di interazioni sociali, economiche, scientifiche e 
tecnologiche o militari a livello mondiale
Per il secondo livello, la conoscenza di come interagiscono tra loro i 
vari sistemi, come funzionano internamente, cosa producono, cosa non 
producono, come evolvono, etc. è fondamentale per avere delle idee che 
non siano la rimasticatura dell'ultimo articolo di politica dell'ultimo 
quotidiano.
Più spesso che no, le notizie importanti non vanno in prima pagina, 
perché non vendono, mentre le notizie che vanno in prima pagina, perché 
vendono, non sono realmente importanti.
Quindi, IMHO, è più interessante discutere del sistema scolastico dei 
paesi mussulmani che delle dichiarazioni di Armadinejean.
Da indicazioni più interessanti a lungo termine conoscere il sistema 
scolastico e cosa produce, di cosa dirà un politico, per quanto potente sia.
Mirco