Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Pakistan: arso vivo per la religione

Pakistan: cristiano muore arso vivo perché non si voleva convertire 
all'Islam
La moglie denuncia la violenza ai poliziotti che la stuprano davanti ai 
due figli di 7 e 12 anni
http://www.corriere.it/esteri/10_marzo_23/Pakistan-cristiano-arso-vivo_f0f0fab2-3645-11df-95eb-00144f02aabe.shtml?fr=box_primopiano

 due figli di 7 e 12 anni
Just another day in the "Land of the Pure".

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:0268a08b-bfb9-4fb5...@c20g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
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ma veramente
che schifo 

 I cristiani sono i primi a farne le spese (Trew sara' contento).
Contento sarai tu.

अश्वमित्रः ha scritto:
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Pare che in Pakistan non siano casi isolati:
http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/headlinenewsd.php?hnewsid=1854

 Pare che in Pakistan non siano casi isolati:
Certo no.

 quando il nazionalismo si sposa alla religione.
Così fan tutti, quando possano.  I cristiani dovrebbero saperlo bene.

 I cristiani sono i primi a farne le spese
Davvero?
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article303774.ece
Blasphemy laws haunt majority community in Pakistan
Anita Joshua
The blasphemy laws have come to haunt the majority community in
Pakistan with rival sects of Islam increasingly using Sections 295-B
and C of the Pakistan Penal Code against each other.
While minority groups continue to face action under this legacy of the
Zia-ul-Haq regime, the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) in
its report released on Monday cites numerous cases of Muslims being
booked under the blasphemy laws.
In fact, a majority of the 41 complaints registered by the police in
2009 involved Muslims. According to HRCP secretary-general I. A.
Rehman, the blasphemy laws had come full circle as rival sects have
begun to use these provisions to settle scores with each other. While
this has become an interesting statistic for civil rights groups to
use in their ongoing fight for the repeal of the blasphemy laws, the
HRCP report states that 2009 saw an increase in violent attacks on
minorities as the government failed to take effective preventive
measures. “As the Pakistan Army and para-military forces conducted
military operations against the Taliban networks in Swat andother
tribal areas including South Waziristan, the militants struck with
vengeance in other parts of the country at non-Muslim minorities as
well as the Muslim minority Shia sect.''
All minority groups faced ultimatums to convert to Islam with
theCommission coming across instances of the Taliban threatening
Hindus to either pay Jazia (a medieval period tax on minorities) or
accept Islam to save themselves from abduction and murder. Referring
to a specific incident in the Kohat district of the North-West
Frontier Province (NWFP), Mr. Rehman said non-state actors became so
powerful that they managed to collect Jazia and still some Hindu
families had to flee the area.
Referring to another incident which took place in Battagram in the
Hazara district of the NWFP, Mr. Rehman said the term Jazia was heard
in these parts for the first time since the days of Mughal ruler
Aurangzeb. Home to 15 Hindu families — living there for generations —
the elder of the community was asked to cough up Rs. 6 million by
militants and the Taliban.
And, the Commission fears that there could be more such cases which go
unreported; particularly from the “no-go areas'' in the tribal belt
that is caught in the crossfire between extremist groups and security
forces in a “xenophobic atmosphere created and promoted by
conservative clerics and a section of the media''.

 paese di atei devoti sara' magari l'ultimo a prenderne atto.
Eh, siamo lontani dal Paese dei Puri, parlando così.

 Davvero?
L'articolo dell'organo del partito pakistano "Christian pakistan 
Congress" afferma che tutte le minoranze sono minacciate, e non solo da 
parte dell'Islam radicale, ma anche da quello comune, a causa del 
precetto islamico della "supremazia".
Therefore, for Christians, Ahmadiyya Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and other 
minorities, it is clear that the government of Pakistan, the legal 
system, the police, and other vital institutions, are neglecting a 
significant part of the population.
In modern day Pakistan the growing trend of radical Sunni Islam is on 
the rise and for minorities they face death and persecution. Radical 
Sunni Islam is clearly a menace to all in Pakistan who espouse 
moderation or pluralism.
Yet what is even more alarming is that the brutal murders of Shazia 
Bashir and Arshad Masih were done by ordinary Muslims and they did not 
kill them in the name of radical Islam. On the contrary, these normal 
Muslims in Pakistan deem others to be inferior and this is clearly based 
on Sharia Islamic teaching and the Hadiths. After all, non-Muslims are 
not equal according to Islamic Sharia law and the Hadiths, therefore, 
this hatred and loathing towards minorities is inspired by the very 
teachings and systems of Islam itself.
Therefore, in modern day Pakistan the threat is multiple and this 
applies to radical Sunni Islamists, the state apparatus, the legal 
system, and ordinary Sunni Muslims who commit evil towards minorities 
because of the notion of supremacy, which is stated in the Hadith
http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/headlinenewsd.php?hnewsid=1854

 teachings and systems of Islam itself.
Però da nessuna parte del Corano o della Sunna si prescrive di 
convertire i non musulmani a forza, pena la morte. Certo, un sistema 
legale legato strettamente alla Sharia rende la vita ai non musulmani 
sostanzialmente impossibile, se non in condizioni di sudditanza.

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Questa è l'utopia sociale che tanti italiani sedicenti di sinistra
sognano ogni notte e difendono ogni giorno.

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Può darsi, dal momento che non l'ho letto tutto. Ma mi è bastato
leggerne alcune parti per notare quanto in quel testo siano frequenti
le espressioni di condanna e di disprezzo per i non credenti.