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Titolo: L'UNICEF bombarda i puffi

E con questa si sono giocati ogni possibilita' di donazioni da parte 
dello Splenetico.
http://snipurl.com/ibtr
Boicottate anche voi quei pufficidi dell'UNICEF.
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lo Splenetico
"Si, sappiamo, sei un creazionista.
Ma non sei mai finito incinto per caso". (Amalric)

Boicottate anche voi quei pufficidi dell'UNICEF.
Il bello è che ci si indigna per uno spot non per quello che lo spot
rappresenta. 
Oramai la realtà e solo rappresentazione....

 rappresenta.
"ancora meglio" e' che le immagini di esseri umani bombardati non sono
abbastanza forti, mentre per i puffi ci si indigna  :-/
Da Michael Moore:
" In my first film, Roger & Me, a white woman on social security clubs
a rabbit to death so that she can sell him as "meat" instead of as a
pet. I wish I had a nickel for every time in the past 10 years that
someone has come up to me and told me how "horrified" they were when
they saw that "poor little cute bunny" bonked on the head. The scene,
they say, made them physically sick. The Motion Picture Association of
America gave Roger & Me an R [18] rating in response to that rabbit
killing. Teachers write to me and say they have to edit that part out
of the film, if they want to show it to their students.
But less than two minutes after the bunny lady does her deed, I
included footage of a scene in which police in Flint, Michigan, shot a
black man who was wearing a Superman cape and holding a plastic toy
gun. Not once - not ever - has anyone said to me, "I can't believe you
showed a black man being shot in your movie! How horrible! How
disgusting! I couldn't sleep for weeks." After all, he was just a black
man, not a cute, cuddly bunny. The ratings board saw absolutely nothing
wrong with that scene. Why? Because it's normal, natural. We've become
so accustomed to seeing black men killed - in the movies and on the
evening news - that we now accept it as standard operating procedure.
No big deal! That's what blacks do - kill and die. Ho-hum. Pass the
butter."
PS:  per quanto riguarda il bombardamento, il motivo e' ovvio:
http://www.neteditor.it/opere/leggi.php?opera=6875

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Non e' che lo Splenetico sia proprio questo genio dell'ironia.Non a 
caso va a cercare i suoi nemici in Belgio e all'UNICEF...
Am.

 Non a caso va a cercare i suoi nemici in Belgio 
Su questo ha ragionissima, lo dice acnhe la canzone:
Pour le Belges, y en a plus,
pour le Belges, y en a plus,
Ce sont des tireurs au cul
Palmiro Pangloss
-- 
You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!

No big deal! That's what blacks do - kill and die.
Bella puttanata alla Michael Moore.
-Stefano

 Palmiro Pangloss
Bada al tuo di cul. I Belgi sarebbero rimasti veri hobbits se non 
avessero preso ad ammazzarsi tra di loro.
Comunque rimangono grandissimi disegnatori, e invece di sbavare sul 
Duca, avresti fatto meglio a leggerti Luky Luke.
Am.
PS Mason Storm te l'hanno segnalata a Boston? Bwaha...

 Duca, avresti fatto meglio a leggerti Luky Luke.
Voto senza esitazione per il duca.
Tb

 PS Mason Storm te l'hanno segnalata a Boston? 
Fa parte della cultura di ogni gentleman postmoderno sapere certe cose.
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 E' un'affermazione razzista.
Sai, e' un modo di dire: il tutto per la parte. Usa. L'opposto della 
parte per il tutto, o metonimia.
Eppoi il piu' grande di tutti, Herge', papa' di Tintin, e' stato 
accusato di essere pedofilo e razzista. Capita. Non si puo' avere tutto 
dalla vita...
Am.
PS quanto a Luky Luke e ai puffi, preferisco l'ultimo di loro a 
quell'otre gonfiato che e' il Duca. Avreste parlato di Gary Cooper, ma 
evidentemente non ne siete degni...

 Eh? Quando?
1967. La mia universita' francofona, la maggiore in Belgio,  fu poi 
eliminata dal territorio fiammingo. Mi ricordo ancora della polizia che 
picchio' una donna incinta tra i manifestanti che si opponevano
Credo che da allora tutti i ministeri sono sdoppiati etnicamente.
Come si dice l'unica cosa che i belgi non hanno fatto e' di ricorrere 
al fucile.
Ma si odiano da pazzi.
Am.

 Hai pessimi gusti in materia: e' puerile.
Scegli tu l'arma. Ci si vede domani all'alba davanti al Convento dei
Carmelitani Scalzi. Che sopravviva il migliore (non nel senso de "il
Migliore", eh? [segue indegno gesto apotropaico]). Shalom.
Namib

 Voto senza esitazione per il duca.
Il Duca NON esclude Morris & Goscinny (sempre siano lodati).
Namib

 1967. La mia universita' francofona, la maggiore in Belgio,  
Hai studiato a Lovanio? Corbezzoli.
Si, lo so bene ma parlavi di ammazzare, pensavo ti riferissi alle guerre 
di religione :-)
Pamiro Pangloss
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 caso va a cercare i suoi nemici in Belgio e all'UNICEF...
In Belgio?
Perché in Belgio? 

 Scegli tu l'arma. 
Pollo in gomma.
Palmiro Pangloss
P.S. Ma che cazzo, e' da bambini! Vuoi mettere Magnus o Pazienza o 
Osterheld o Gimenze o Wood...
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 Perché in Belgio? 
Cara mia ti mancano le basi per stare su IPI.
Hint: googla Peyo
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 Hint: googla Peyo
Giuro: ero convinta che i Puffi fossero polacchi...Grazie per l'info. 

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Guarda il riferimento. L'articolo e' inglese ma il campo dell'onore  e' 
in Belgio. I belgi avevano accettato,  a malincuore, che si potesse 
commuoverli con i mali di una tribu' di puffi, per trasmettere loro il 
messaggio di mali molto piu' attuali... Eppoi, magrado il sacrificio, 
essendo loro padri e madri dei puffi, li si prende per il culo...
Cesare aveva piu' rispetto per Vercingetorige...
Am.

 essendo loro padri e madri dei puffi,
Avevo capito a cosa ti riferivi. Ero perplessa proprio riguardo alla 
"paternità/maternità" dei puffi.
mia cognata polacca, ogni volta che li vede, s'inorgoglisce tutta e mi dice: 
"Vedi? questo è un cartone polacco"
Ma domani glielo spiego, tsk!
/me incazzata coi polacchi+mia cognata 

 /me incazzata coi polacchi+mia cognata 
Ascolta Wagner.
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 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:BF70B9F7.1D234%bri...@despammed.com...
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Eh, voglio dire!! Rubarsi il copyright dei puffi è la cosa più ignobile e 
meschina di questo mondo....<g>
/ma stanca vo' a dormire 

 Vengono uccisi "black men" cosi' come "white men".
Wow... De Cesari viene da un pianeta dove non ci sono ne' bombardamenti
ne' razzismo.   Quasi quasi mi ci trasferisco, anche se sembra un posto
popolato da rincoglioniti.   :-/
GT

rincoglioniti.   :-/
...disse quel rincoglionito di un Torrieri che non sapeva rispondere
alle domande dirette... :)
-Stefano

 Se si perche' non ce le mostri?
Chiedete e vi sarà dato:
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/victim_of_air_strike_in_gaza_city_september_24_Sep_24_2005.html
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/casualties_of_war_in_iraq_Jun_03_2005.html
Qui hai un indice completo e di che sollazzarti:
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/war/index.html
Buon divertimento.
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fermare un attimo a raddrizzare
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 E' un'affermazione razzista.
La famosa razza belga?
Riot
-- 
Gli ottimisti credono che viviamo nel migliore dei mondi possibili.
I pessimisti temono che sia vero.

 La famosa razza belga?
Perche' altre razze esistono? Famme capi'.
Palmiro pangloss

 Se si perche' non ce le mostri?
Che schifo! Passi il feticismo, ma le seghe non potresti fartele con le foto
della Cicciolina col serpente, come tutta la gente normale?
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Cingar
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http://arianna.libero.it/usenet/

 Riot
Be', intanto ci sono dei cavalli di razza fiamminga, giganti e 
fortissimi, poi Cesare non ha detto qualcosa dei Belgi? 'Di tutte le 
tribu' della Gallia,i Belgi sono i piu' forti'. Magari ne apprezzava la 
razza...
Am.

 Riot
http://www.pastorebelga.org/
-- 
lo Splenetico
"Si, sappiamo, sei un creazionista.
Ma non sei mai finito incinto per caso". (Amalric)

 
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/casualties_of_war_in_iraq_Jun_03_2005.html
Altre foto di "cadaveri" ma nessuna di "esseri umani bombardati".
Se ti piacciono le foto di "cadaveri" ne trovi tante relative al
terremoto in Kashmir.
-Stefano

 La famosa razza belga?
Apriti un buon dizionario di lingua italiana sotto la parola "razzismo"
e magari scoprirai che non c'entra un ca**o con fantasiose "razze".
-Stefano

le foto della Cicciolina col serpente, come tutta la gente normale?
...disse il bue all'asino...
-Stefano

 razza...
Indubbiamente. Pare che almeno tre diversi geni belgi siano stati posti 
sotto brevetto da una corporation americana.
Due di essi danno al portatore i noti connotati della razza belga.
Il terzo, recessivo e molto raro, pare provochi casi di nanismo estremo 
ed una colorazione bluastra della pelle. ;)
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 Riot
Vedo che ci siamo capiti. Tuttavia se vai in Belgio ti scongiuro di 
ironizzare sulla razza: loro sono convinti di averne due, e l'una e' 
votata all'estinzione dell'altra. Una tragedia un paese cosi' piccolo, 
sede naturale di puffi e hobbit...
Am.

 (se e' vero) e basta.
Spiegami allora i tuoi requisiti e la tua definizione di "essere umano
bombardato", pls.
Comunque, su quel sito trovi tutto quanto necessiti per soddisfare il tuo
feticismo: dal filmato dell'ufficiale russo a cui viene tagliata la gola da
ribelli ceceni al bambino di sette anni splatterizzato ad un check point in
Iraq... passando ovviamente per vari esseri umani (sia civili che militari),
bombardati e colpiti con gli ordingni più vari e di più vario calibro.
Ah, nel caso tu non lo avessi capito: un essere umano bombardato, di solito,
diventa un cadavere. E neanche tanto bello da vedere, anche se utilizzi i
metodi più avanzati di tanatoprassi.
Saluti                    Nuovomedioevo

ribelli ceceni
Che non c'entra un cazzo con "esseri umani bombardati".
-Stefano

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 Guardati lo spot dei puffi di cui si sta parlando, *FESSO*.
Allora guardati bene l'indice del sito che ti ho postato, COGLIONE. Ci trovi
dei bei reality show, dove al posto dei puffi hai esseri umani.
Saluti a tua sorella                    Nuovomedioevo

Allora guardati bene l'indice del sito che ti ho postato, COGLIONE.
...disse il COGLIONE che apriva bocca facendo la figura del *FESSO*...
-Stefano

 adesso non facciamo di tutt'erba un fascio,
Perche' no?   De Cesari e' appunto un fascio che si e' fatto un sacco
di Erba.
Questo spiega molte cose :-)
GT

 Questo spiega molte cose :-)
Certo, certo... :)
*pat pat*
-Stefano

Raccomando di guardare il documentario in questione, "control room",
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0391024/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050930/pl_afp/usmilitaryiraqmedia_050930002959
 Former US military spokesman signs on with Al-Jazeera
Thu Sep 29, 8:29 PM ET
A former US military spokesman who appeared in a documentary on the
Iraq war has been hired by Al-Jazeera International, the Qatar-based
network confirmed.
Josh Rushing, a former US Marine captain, will be based in the
network's Washington office in a role that has yet to be determined, a
statement said.
In 2003 Rushing, now 33, was a military spokesman at a US Army media
center in Doha. He was a central figure in the documentary "Control
Room" about the US military's handling of the press during the war
which, according to the statement, chronicled Rushing's "struggles as
the United States military's lead spokesman to the Arab world during
the invasion of Iraq."
"In a time when American media has become so nationalized, I'm excited
about joining an organization that truly wants to be a source of global
information," Rushing was quoted as saying in the statement.
"I witnessed during the war how the US media was co-opted by the US
government's messaging," he said. "I am proud to be part of a network
that believes in the power of un-spun truth."
Al-Jazeera International is a 24-hour English-language network that
Al-Jazeera, often called the "Arab CNN," plans to launch in early 2006.
The new network will broadcast from Doha, Kuala Lumpur, London and
Washington.
Al-Jazeera, airing since 1996, is well-regarded in the Arab world but
held in contempt by several governments in the region, including those
of Iraq, Jordan, Sudan and Egypt.
Many US authorities have similar views. In June, US Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld said its coverage of attacks in the Middle East played
into the hands of terrorists.
Al-Jazeera gained prominence with exclusive coverage of the US campaign
in Afghanistan and the broadcast of video cassettes of Al-Qaeda chief
Osama bin-Laden.

  Former US military spokesman signs on with Al-Jazeera
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-film2aug02,1,1021328.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
A military spokesman is silenced after candid comments
in a movie on Al Jazeera and Iraq war.
Marine Lands in Film, Collides With Superiors
By Mark Mazzetti
Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON  For most of the central figures in the documentary film
"Control Room," the grisly images that emerged from last year's U.S.
invasion of Iraq were no cause for a change of opinion.
Over the length of the film, director Jehane Noujaim's inside look at
the war through the eyes and lenses of Al Jazeera's journalists based
at
U.S. Central Command headquarters in Doha, Qatar, the chasm only widens
between the U.S. military officials who speak about the "liberation" of
Iraq and the Al Jazeera reporters skeptical of the invasion.
The exception is a young Marine lieutenant named Josh Rushing.
Rushing, a Central Command spokesman assigned to escort the documentary
makers during their time in Qatar, is among the film's most sympathetic
characters, portrayed as a thoughtful young man moved over time by the
grim reality of war.
At no point is he shown doubting the justness of the U.S. effort in
Iraq, yet the film documents a budding friendship between Rushing and
Al
Jazeera reporter Hassan Ibrahim, and moments on camera when Rushing is
wrestling with the film's central themes: war, bias and the Arab
world's
most powerful media outlet.
The Marine's role in the film turned him into a minor celebrity among
the art-house-cinema crowd. But the candid comments he made in the
documentary and in interviews after its release ran afoul of his
superiors in the Marine Corps, which he now plans to leave.
On camera midway through the film, Rushing spoke of being disturbed
that
footage Al Jazeera, an Arabic-language satellite television channel,
broadcast of civilian Iraqi casualties had not affected him as much as
images shown the following night of dead American soldiers.
"It upset me on a profound level that I wasn't bothered as much the
night before," Rushing said. "It makes me hate war. But it doesn't make
me believe we can live in a world without war yet."
Rushing, now a captain assigned to the Marine Corps Motion Picture and
Television Liaison office in Los Angeles, has been prohibited from
giving any more interviews about his part in the film.
Marine officials at the Pentagon have even asked Rushing to keep his
wife, Paige, from giving interviews after she made comments critical of
how the military handled her husband's situation. Because of this,
several of Rushing's friends say the 31-year-old Marine plans to leave
the military in October.
Rushing declined to be interviewed for this article. His situation has
angered many in the military public affairs community who say Rushing
has been a passionate spokesman for the U.S. armed forces and is being
punished for appearing in a film that portrays Al Jazeera  a bete noire
of the Bush administration since the Sept. 11 attacks  in a positive
light.
"Here's a guy who represents the very best of public affairs in the
Marines," says a senior military official who worked with Rushing at
Central Command, speaking on condition of anonymity. "For whatever
reason, it didn't play well with some of the senior brass in the Marine
Corps at Pentagon. They're losing one of their finest."
A 14-year veteran, Rushing enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1990. After
serving nine years, he entered the University of Texas on an ROTC
scholarship and earned a dual degree in classics and ancient history.
This background, Rushing's friends said, gave him a more nuanced view
of
the Arab world and its attitudes about the West.
"It benefits Al Jazeera to play to Arab nationalism because that's
their
audience, just like [the Fox News Channel] plays to American
patriotism,
for the exact same reason  American nationalism  because that's their
demographic audience and that's what they want to see," Rushing says at
one point during the documentary.
For their part, Marine officials said their problem was not with what
Rushing said in the film, but with comments he made after the film was
released and received international attention. Some suggested he did
not
understand his role as an officer.
"He did a few interviews that indicated he might not know what his lane
is," said Lt. Col. Stephen Kay, deputy director of Marine Corps public
affairs at the Pentagon. "He was way too far in the opinion realm."
One of the articles Kay cited appeared in the Village Voice in May.
"People don't understand what a complex organization Al Jazeera is,"
the
article quotes Rushing as saying. "They say it's all Islamists, or
Baathists, or Arab nationalists. You have all that, but you have really
progressive voices too. Al Jazeera shows it all. It turns your stomach,
and you remember there's something wrong with war."
This is a far different picture of Al Jazeera from the one normally
described by top U.S. officials. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, Defense
Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has denounced the network from the
Pentagon
podium, calling it a mouthpiece for Al Qaeda and a vehicle of
anti-American propaganda.
"We have been lied about, day after day, week after week, month after
month for the last 12 months in the Arab press," Rumsfeld said recently
after news of the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, specifically citing Al
Jazeera and the newer and less influential Al Arabiya channel, based in
Dubai.
Kay argued that because Rushing was no longer posted at Central
Command,
it was not appropriate for him to give interviews about a project he
worked on during his old job.
Kay confirmed, however, that he recently sent an e-mail to Rushing
asking the Marine to talk to his wife about not giving interviews.
"I did tell him that he could control that if he wanted to. I asked him
to consider it," Kay said.
According to several officers assigned to Central Command during last
year's invasion of Iraq, Rushing was directed to help the documentary
team making "Control Room" in part because he was lowest in the pecking
order of public affairs officers in Doha.
"We thought it was just a school project," said one officer who worked
with Rushing at Central Command, speaking on condition of anonymity.
"And Josh, being the first lieutenant that he was, was assigned to deal
with these folks."
In fact, the film has had an effect far exceeding the expectations of
the officers at Central Command. Filmed on a shoestring budget and
already banking $1.7 million at the box office domestically since its
May release, "Control Room" presented a behind-the-curtain look at the
Arab world's first big experiment in breaking free from state-sponsored
media.
"Al Jazeera has become far more powerful than any Arab leader," said
director Noujaim. "A Bedouin can hook up a satellite dish to his truck
and watch. They can affect change like no other force in the Arab world
has been able to."
According to Noujaim, it was only after Rushing's superiors assigned
him
to help the film  and the crew got to know him  that they realized the
Marine officer would become a central figure in the documentary.
"He turned into a main character because of his personality," the
director said. "Josh is a smart, very articulate and intelligent
person."
Regardless of what happened a year ago, Kay said the Marine Corps
didn't
want a Marine so intimately involved in promoting "Control Room."
"I didn't want the production company to use a U.S. Marine Corps
captain
to promote the documentary," Kay said. "This was my decision as his
superior."
Critics of the Marine Corps' handling of the situation point out that
the Marines have historically been the most aggressive branch of the
armed forces in promoting itself on the silver screen  at least for
select films. The mission of the Los Angeles office where Rushing now
works is to advance image of Marines in Hollywood. The Marines have
worked closely with movies and television shows, including the Nicolas
Cage film "Windtalkers" and the Fox reality series "Boot Camp."
"This movie has it all," said a 2002 Marine Corps news release about
"Windtalkers"  the story of Navajos who used their native language to
encode messages during World War II  adding that the movie was
historically correct "down to the smallest detail."
As for Rushing, friends and associates say the Marine has yet to figure
out his plans for life after the military.
"I think it's too bad for the Marines he's moving on," Noujaim said.
"He
convinced a lot of skeptical people in the Arab press that there are
those in the U.S. military coming from the right place."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1014-03.htm
 Bush Teleconference With Soldiers Staged
by Deb Riechmann
It was billed as a conversation with U.S. troops, but the questions
President Bush asked on a teleconference call Thursday were
choreographed to match his goals for the war in Iraq and Saturday's
vote on a new Iraqi constitution.
"This is an important time," Allison Barber, deputy assistant defense
secretary, said, coaching the soldiers before Bush arrived. "The
president is looking forward to having just a conversation with you."
Barber said the president was interested in three topics: the overall
security situation in Iraq, security preparations for the weekend vote
and efforts to train Iraqi troops.
As she spoke in Washington, a live shot of 10 soldiers from the Army's
42nd Infantry Division and one Iraqi soldier was beamed into the
Eisenhower Executive Office Building from Tikrit - the birthplace of
former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
"I'm going to ask somebody to grab those two water bottles against the
wall and move them out of the camera shot for me," Barber said.
A brief rehearsal ensued.
"OK, so let's just walk through this," Barber said. "Captain Kennedy,
you answer the first question and you hand the mike to whom?"
"Captain Smith," Kennedy said.
"Captain. Smith? You take the mike and you hand it to whom?" she asked.
"Captain Kennedy," the soldier replied.
And so it went.
"If the question comes up about partnering - how often do we train
with the Iraqi military - who does he go to?" Barber asked.
"That's going to go to Captain Pratt," one of the soldiers said.
"And then if we're going to talk a little bit about the folks in Tikrit
- the hometown - and how they're handling the political process,
who are we going to give that to?" she asked.
Before he took questions, Bush thanked the soldiers for serving and
reassured them that the U.S. would not pull out of Iraq until the
mission was complete.
"So long as I'm the president, we're never going to back down, we're
never going to give in, we'll never accept anything less than total
victory," Bush said.
The president told them twice that the American people were behind
them.
"You've got tremendous support here at home," Bush said.
Less than 40 percent in an AP-Ipsos poll taken in October said they
approved of the way Bush was handling Iraq. Just over half of the
public now say the Iraq war was a mistake.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Thursday's event was
coordinated with the Defense Department but that the troops were
expressing their own thoughts. With satellite feeds, coordination often
is needed to overcome technological challenges, such as delays, he
said.
"I think all they were doing was talking to the troops and letting them
know what to expect," he said, adding that the president wanted to talk
with troops on the ground who have firsthand knowledge about the
situation.
The soldiers all gave Bush an upbeat view of the situation.
The president also got praise from the Iraqi soldier who was part of
the chat.
"Thank you very much for everything," he gushed. "I like you."
On preparations for the vote, 1st Lt. Gregg Murphy of Tennessee said:
"Sir, we are prepared to do whatever it takes to make this thing a
success. ... Back in January, when we were preparing for that election,
we had to lead the way. We set up the coordination, we made the plan.
We're really happy to see, during the preparation for this one, sir,
they're doing everything."
On the training of Iraqi security forces, Master Sgt. Corine Lombardo
from Scotia, N.Y., said to Bush: "I can tell you over the past 10
months, we've seen a tremendous increase in the capabilities and the
confidences of our Iraqi security force partners. ... Over the next
month, we anticipate seeing at least one-third of those Iraqi forces
conducting independent operations."
Lombardo told the president that she was in New York City on Nov. 11,
2001, when Bush attended an event recognizing soldiers for their
recovery and rescue efforts at Ground Zero. She said the troops began
the fight against terrorism in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks and were proud to continue it in Iraq.
"I thought you looked familiar," Bush said, and then joked: "I probably
look familiar to you, too."
Paul Rieckhoff, director of the New York-based Operation Truth, an
advocacy group for U.S. veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, denounced the
event as a "carefully scripted publicity stunt." Five of the 10 U.S.
troops involved were officers, he said.
"If he wants the real opinions of the troops, he can't do it in a
nationally televised teleconference," Rieckhoff said. "He needs to be
talking to the boots on the ground and that's not a bunch of captains."

LA STRAGE DI BOLOGNA? È STATO IL TERRORISMO ISLAMICO
 di Francesco Conte
 pubblicato il 21/07/2005
Gli studenti delle scuole superiori bolognesi sanno poco o nulla degli
anni di piombo. E che sanno poco o male anche della strage di Bologna
del 2 Agosto 1980.
Solo il 50,6% sa indicare con esattezza l'anno della strage, e il 22%
è informato su chi furono gli artefici della strage (i fascisti Mambro
e Fioravanti, aiutati e sorretti da servizi segreti deviati e P2). Per
il 21% degli studenti la bomba fu messa dal "terrorismo rosso", mentre
le restanti risposte hanno visto attuibuire la responsabilità agli
anarchici (6,3%), alla mafia (4%) o a un folle solitario (4,3%). Il
34%, però, dichiara di non saperlo affatto.
Questi i risultati della ricerca "2 Agosto 1980: il ricordo di chi non
era nato" su circa 2000 studenti; promossa dal LANDIS (Laboratorio
Nazionale per la Didattica della Storia), CEDOST (Centro Documentazione
Storico Politica sullo Stragismo e la violenza politica) e Associazione
vittime del 2 Agosto, con la collaborazione gratuita del CENSIS.
Da tali risposte emerge la tendenza diffusa a "appiattirsi sul
presente" dimostrando scarsa capacità di comprendere criticamente fasi
storiche diverse dall'attuale e finendo per interpretare anche
avvenimenti lontani nel tempo con attori, categorie e conoscenze
(spesso superficiali) dell'oggi. A tal proposito il timore della stessa
direttrice del CEDOST, Cinzia Venturosi, e del direttore del CENSIS,
Giuseppe Roma, è che gli studenti avrebbero risposto tranquillamente
"terrorismo islamico", se solo fosse stato inserito i possibili
attentatori.
Il problema quindi si sposta sulle fonti di queste informazioni; la
maggioranza degli studenti dice di aver avuto le informazioni di cui
dispone dalla famiglia (70%), seguita con buon distacco dalla TV e
dalla scuola. Questo è, forse, il dato più preoccupante. E' la stessa
generazione che visse quegli avvenimenti in prima persona, forse, a
essersi dimenticata di quello che accadde e a essersi disinteressata
dell'iter processuale. Un dato, questo, che deve far riflettere chi,
nella società, nella cultura e nella politica, ha ancora interesse
alla conservazione di una memoria storica di un periodo nerissimo della
nostra repubblica.


E viceversa, come quelli che per esempio definiscono Bush un nazista...
Raffaele

talking to the boots on the ground and that's not a bunch of captains."
Cioe' dovrebbe chiedere ad un soldato semplice come sta andando un
progetto che magari occupa centinaia se non migliaia di soldati di cui
al massimo sa quello che ordinano a lui di fare e niente altro?
Bah...
-Stefano

Questo e' MOLTO interessante.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF26Ak03.html
WASHINGTON - When The Washington Post published a list of the people
whom Karl Rove, President George W Bush's closest advisor, regularly
consults for advice outside the administration, foreign policy veterans
were shocked when Michael Ledeen popped up as the only full-time
international affairs analyst.
...
"When I saw that, I couldn't believe it," said one retired senior
diplomat. "But then again, with this administration, it seemed
frighteningly plausible."
Michael A Ledeen, resident scholar in the Freedom Chair at the American
Enterprise Institute (AEI), where he works closely with the
better-known former chairman of the Defense Policy Board, Richard
Perle, has been a fixture of Washington's neo-conservative community
for more than 20 years. But he is now out front, in a public campaign
for the United States to confront Iran, warning that Tehran will cause
Washington problems in both Iraq and Afghanistan and that "the mullahs
are determined to obliterate Israel".
...
To Ledeen, whose own contacts with the mullahs in the Iran-Contra
affair 15 years ago remain the source of some mystery, Iran is "the
mother of modern terrorism". And terrorism has been Ledeen's bread and
butter since at least the late 1970s, when he consulted for Italian
military intelligence, which in turn enabled him to expose Billy
Carter's dealings with the Muammar Gaddafi regime in Libya to the great
satisfaction of Republicans, who were revving up their campaign against
Billy's brother, then president Jimmy Carter.
Ledeen's right-wing Italian connections - including alleged ties to the
P-2 Masonic Lodge that rocked Italy in the early 1980s - have long been
a source of speculation and intrigue, but he returned to Washington in
1981 as "anti-terrorism" advisor to the new secretary of state, Al
Haig.