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Titolo: Al Jazeera sulla visita di Fini in Israele

Israel embraces Italian neo-fascist
by Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank
Monday 24 November 2003 1:43 PM GMT
Ariel Sharon (L) welcomes Italian deputy PM Gianfranco Fini
Israeli government officials and opposition leaders have met the leader of
Italy's neo-fascist National Alliance party, Gianfranco Fini.
Fini, who is also Italy?s deputy prime minister, arrived on an official visit
to Israel on Sunday night. The visit has drawn harsh criticism from leftist
politicians and Palestinians.
On Monday, he met with Israeli President Moshe Katsav, Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom as well as opposition leader Shimon
Peres.
Fini?s visit to Israel at the Sharon government?s invitation drew angry
reactions from leaders of the leftist opposition. Yossi Beilin, a former
minister of Justice and one-time deputy-foreign minister, called the visit a
?disgrace to Israel?.
?It is only because he (Fini) supports the fence that he is receiving a red
carpet here.?
Meretz leader Yossi Sarid also criticised the visit, calling it
?opportunistic? and  ?a concordance of interests?.
"It's a shame, a real shame," he said. "The battle against anti-Semitism has to
be waged from a firm base of values and principles. If the world senses that it
is a political, cynical and opportunist Israeli fight, its foundations will be
shaken and it will completely lose its moral validity."
Supporter of Israel
Israeli spokespeople contacted by Aljazeera.net refused to explain why Israel
decided to invite the Italian fascist leader despite the fact that Jews
suffered tremendously at the hands of the fascists in Europe in the past
century.
One Israeli spokesman, who asked for anonymity, argued that ?Fini has been
reformed?.
However, when asked whether Fini was still sympathetic to the legacy of Italian
fascistic movement, the Israeli spokesperson remarked that ?the important
thing is that he supports Israel. We can?t reject or rebuff foreign leaders
as long as they support our country. Other aspects of their ideology is none of
our business?.
This view, however, is rare among Israeli intellectuals and public opinion
leaders.
"Sharon is a close friend of  Berlusconi, and he can?t refuse to receive his
deputy in Israel"
Roni Shakid,
Yediot Aharanot writer
Roni Shakid, a prominent writer in Israel?s popular paper, Yediot Aharanot,
suggested that opportunism is the driver of this visit.
?They are courting him (Fini) because he supports the security wall and the
settlements and because he is deputy prime minister and could become Prime
Minister one day,? Shakid told Aljazeera.net.
?You know (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon is a close friend of (Italian
Prime Minister Silvio) Berlusconi, and he can?t refuse to receive his deputy
in Israel,? he added.
Anti-Muslim views
Sharon was on a three-day visit to Italy last week, ostensibly to thank Italy
for its support for Israel and opposition to frequent EU criticism of Israeli
policies.
The Israeli newspaper Haaretz quoted foreign ministry sources as citing three
main reasons for the Israeli decision to court Fini, who is known for his
anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim views.
These include Fini?s objection to anti-Semitism, the fact that the US and
other countries have recognised him and the position of the Italian Jewish
community which supported the visit.
Fini is a supporter of Israel's apartheid wall
However, another reason for the Israeli government?s embrace of Fini seems to
lie in his anti-Arab, especially anti-Palestinian, stance, as well his support
for Israel?s repressive measures against Palestinians and territorial
expansion in the West Bank.
Fini, who once called Italy?s wartime dictator Benito Mussolini "the greatest
politician of the 20th century", repeatedly voiced his support for Sharon?s
repressive policies against Palestinians, including the destruction of
Palestinian homes, farms and infrastructure.
Fini has also backed the apartheid wall Israel is building in the West Bank,
which, according to Amiram Barkat, a correspondent for the Haaretz newspaper,
makes him the most prominent supporter of Sharon?s policies in contemporary
Europe.
Birds of a feather
Fini?s visit to Israel has also drawn the ire of some of the leaders of the
Arab community in Israel.
Arab Knesset member Talab al-Sanie described the visit as a ?classical example
of similar birds flocking together.?
Fini (2nd R) at a holocaust
memorial in Jerusalem
?I am not surprised at all. We have to remind ourselves and others that this
Israeli government is fascist to the hilt. If you examine its policies,
ideology and especially its actions, you will reach this conclusion. So this is
a fascist government receiving a fellow fascist leaders. Similar birds flock
together.?
Al-Sanie lashed out at Zionism, calling it a ?movement bereft of moral
principles?.
?This visit underscores the huge difference between Zionism and the Jewish
people. For Zionism, even fascists and Nazis can be good friends as long as
they support Israel and stand against its victims,? he said.
Al-Sanie said that Israel?s embrace of Fini and the Italian fascist camp is
consistent with the long-standing Israeli policies of supporting fascist and
right-wing repressive regimes throughout the world.
?Have we forgotten Israel?s strong relations with the defunct apartheid
regime in South Africa, the (Augusto) Pinochet regime in Chile, and other
fascist juntas in Latin America?? he asked.
Aljazeera
By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank
You can find this article at:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D677FCD1-9341-405C-AD2C-93E52E8DB77A.htm

Questo dimostra solo quanto Al-Jazeera, i media da lei citati ed i politici
della sinistra israeliana siano al corrente della vita politica Italiana.
Dimostra solo unu profonda ignoranza.

 Israel embraces Italian neo-fascist
Poteva scrivere qualcosa di diverso?
-Stefano

 Poteva scrivere qualcosa di diverso?
Permetterà a molti di capire che la "neutralità" di Al-Jazeera non esiste, e
che Al-Jazeera copre i fatti del medio-oriente in modo fazioso.
Meglio EuroNews, il solo canale d'informazione veramente neutrale.

 Monday 24 November 2003 1:43 PM GMT
Chissà se la democratica TV mediorientale si è preoccupata di specificare
che il neofascista vuole promuovere una legge per permettere ai suoi
spettatori preferiti, di votare in Occidente... Forse però è meglio non
pubblicizzarla troppo, la cosa.
-- 
 - Bet Dalet Gimel -
"Odi profanum vulgus et arceo"

 spettatori preferiti, di votare in Occidente...
"spettatori preferiti di votare in occidente"?!  Che c*&zo significa?
Comunque, ecco cosa scrive la spampa Israeliana
(PS:  Per me, visto il suo passato, lui non ha il diritto a chiedere
scusa in nome di tutti gli Italiani)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/364643.html
Disappointing. No apology in the name of the
 fascist camp, not even in the name of the
 Italians. Important statements on the horrors of
 the Holocaust, on the need to prevent it from
 happening again. Important condemnations of
 "shameful chapters in our nation's history,"
 decrying "the disgrace of the 1938 race laws":
 statements that have already been uttered by
 Italian Deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini
 himself. Similar declarations have frequently been
 uttered by foreign leaders who visit the Yad
 Vashem Holocaust memorial, by leaders who had no
 ties to criminal regimes. 
But these are not the
 statements one expects from a
 leader whose origin lies in
 Italian fascism. Not from
 someone who grew up on the
 knees of Giorgio Almirante,
 the founder of the
 neo-fascist Italian Social
 Movement (MSI), from someone
 who until nine years ago
 continued to see the dictator Benito Mussolini
 as the greatest statesman of the 20th century,
 from someone who went the distance to be
 accepted by the Jewish state and win from it an
 ultimate and long-awaited purification. 
In September 2002, Fini, the leader of Italy's
 National Alliance party, said in an interview
 with Haaretz that he intended to come to Israel
 and ask the forgiveness of the Jewish people:
 "As an Italian, I have to accept
 responsibility, in the name of the Italians."
 He added: "The Italians bear responsibility for
 what happened after 1938, after the race laws
 were legislated. They bear a historic
 responsibility... [to] ask for forgiveness."
 The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem said this
 week that these comments were among the
 decisive factors that paved the way for Fini's
 official visit. 
In Italy, the comments led to a wave of
 reactions, analyses and editorials that
 demonstrated the extent to which the fascist
 past touches raw nerves. Analyst Maurizio
 Molinari, for instance, wrote in the Italian
 newspaper La Stampa that Fini's comments "break
 a taboo that paralyzed the national memory in
 Italy for 57 years... French President Jacques
 Chirac took historic responsibility in 1995 for
 crimes against Jews carried out by Vichy
 collaborators. Fini's acceptance of historic
 responsibility is, to the same extent, an
 opportunity for us to clear our national
 consciences. Our Vichy was the the Salo
 Republic, Hitler's puppet regime." 
Many therefore saw in Fini's intentions of
 apology a "brave act," a "noble step," and even
 "a historic turning point." But many others
 condemned the planned apology. The fascist
 militants were insulted in the name of
 Mussolini and his "genuine" heirs. On the other
 side, the old-time partisans, leftists and
 Jewish representatives refused to allow
 Mussolini's heirs to apologize on their behalf
 for crimes against which the anti-fascist camp
 fought. 
Fini chose the easy path Monday: he didn't
 apologize on behalf of any one group. 
"It's easier for Fini to identify with Israel,
 with the terror-stricken nation, than to come
 to terms with the problematic past," one of the
 Italian journalists accompanying Fini explained
 Monday night. 
A few hours after the visit to Yad Vashem, Fini
 called a news conference for Italian
 journalists. In response to a question, Fini
 agreed to characterize fascism as "absolute
 evil" - an imporant statement in itself. But
 what happened to the promised apology, he was
 asked Monday night in an interview with
 Haaretz. "I condemned, I condemned once again
 today [the crimes of fascism]," he said. 
But there's a difference between condemnation -
 especially when you yourself relate to it as a
 repeated condemnation - and a historic apology.
 "I think I already apologized, for instance in
 the [previous] interview with Haaretz," Fini
 said. "I have adopted the words of the
 president of the Italian Jewish community, Amos
 Luzzatto, which I liked very much. He said the
 question of apology is periodically abused, and
 that it's more important to focus on deeds than
 on declarations and apologies for the past." 
Is it possible you were pressured by the
 hard-core fascists? There was an instance of a
 tape containing comments in favor of a Nazi
 criminal that was distributed last week by a
 member of your party.
 
"I expelled him from the party immediately.
 That's what I will do with everyone who turns
 out not to believe in democratic values,
 friendship and dialogue between our nations,
 whoever takes anti-Semitic or racist stances." 
Does this mean we shouldn't link your lack of
 apology to a secret agreement with party
 extremists? 
Fini chooses to give an answer that's difficult
 to accept: "I wrote my statement here in the
 hotel only last night, before my visit to Yad
 Vashem. No one saw it." 
Fini's use of Luzzatto as an "alibi" is
 disturbing. Fini did not clarify whether the
 Italian people are ready for a collective
 apology for the crimes of fascism, because he
 simply chose not to express such an apology. He
 did clarify one thing: He isn't a 1995-model
 Chirac. 
Gianfranco Fini, who will be leaving Israel
 tomorrow morning, still has one short day left
 to grab hold of the history that seems until
 now to have evaded him.

for the crimes of fascism,
Lui parla per tutti gli italiani che sono disponibili. Ci saranno anche
coloro che non lo sono e per le quali NESSUNO potra' mai rappresentarli.
Ne segue che qualsiasi pretesa in tal senso mostrerebbe solo l'idiozia
insita in chi la richiede.
-Stefano

 ha scritto nel messaggio
"spettatori preferiti di votare in occidente"?!  Che c*&zo significa?
Dare il voto agli immigrati.
Ciao
Ad'I