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Dal diario di Moshe Sharett, 1955.
    We do not need [Dayan said] a security pact with the U.S.: such a
pact will only constitute an obstacle for us. ...The security pact will
only handcuff us and deny us the freedom of action which we need in the
coming years. Reprisal actions which we couldn't carry out if we were
tied to a security pact are our vital lymph ... they make it possible
for us to maintain a high level of tension among our population and in
the army.
    And above all-let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries,
so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space.
(Such a slip of the tongue: Ben Gurion himself said that it would be
worthwhile to pay an Arab a million pounds to start a war.)
    Perhaps ... now is the time to bring about the creation of a
Christian
   State in our neighborhood.  Without our initiative and our vigorous
   aid this will not be done.  It seems to me that this is the central
   duty, or at least one of the central duties, of our foreign policy.
   This means that time, energy and means ought to be invested in it
and
   that we must act in all possible ways to bring about a radical
change
   in Lebanon...  If monet is necessary, no amount of dollars should be
   spared, although the money may be spent in vain... This is a
historical
   opportunity.  Missing it will be unpardonable.
   ...
   The goal will not be reached of course, without a restriction of
   Lebanon's borders.  But if we can find men in Lebanon and exiles
from
   it who will be ready to mobilize for the creation of a Maronite
state,
   extended borders and a large Muslim population will be of no use to
   them and this will not consitute a disturbing factor.
...
  According to him [Dayan] the only thing that's necessary is to find
an
   officer, even just a Major.  We should either win his heart or buy
him
   with money, to make him agree to declare himself the savior of the
   Maronite population.  Then the Israeli army will enter Lebanon, will
   occupy the necessary territory, and will create a Christian regime
   which will ally itself with Israel.  The territory from the Litani
   southward will be totally annexed to Israel and everything will be
   all right.  If we were to accept the advice of the Chief of Staff we
   would do it tomorrow, without awaiting a signal from Baghdad...
....
   Ben Zvi raised as usual some inspired
   questions...such as do we have a chance to occupy the Sinai and
   how wonderful it would be if the Egyptians started an offensive
   which we could defeat and follow with an invasion of that desert.
   He was very disappointed when I told him that the Egyptians show
   no tendency to facilitate us in this occupation task through a
   provocative challenge on their side.
http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/world/97/05/12/israel-dayan.2-0.html
Israel sought Golan Heights for farmland
War hero Moshe Dayan made remarks in '76
By DAFNA LINZER
Associated Press
JERUSALEM -- Discounting claims of the Golan Heights' strategic value,
war hero Moshe Dayan once told a reporter that Israel took the plateau
from Syria simply because Israelis wanted it for farmland.
Dayan ranked his 1967 decisions to capture the Golan and allow Jews to
return to Hebron as his two greatest mistakes as defense minister, the
legendary Israeli general said in a newly disclosed interview given in
1976, five years before his death.
"In two cases I did not fulfill my role as defense minister, in that I
did not stop things that I was sure should have been stopped," Dayan
told reporter Rami Tal.
Tal said that Dayan had made him promise not to publish his remarks,
apparently because Dayan planned to write his own memoirs -- which he
never did.
Tal kept his notes on the interview secret until recently, when a
friend persuaded him to publish them in the Yediot Ahronot newspaper
this month.
To this day, Israeli settlement in war-won Hebron and the Golan remains
one of the most divisive issues between Israel and the Syrians and
Palestinians.
Israeli leaders have said the Golan is too important to Israel's
defense to return. Until Israel captured the plateau in the 1967
Mideast War, Syria often shelled Israeli border communities from its
vantage point on the Golan.
According to Dayan, Israel provoked the shootings as a pretext to
attack.
"We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to
do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the
Syrians would start to shoot," Dayan said. "If they didn't shoot, we
would tell the tractor to advance further," he said.
Dayan said pressure from Israel's kibbutzim, or farming communities,
led to the land grab.
"Along the Syria border there were no farms and no refugee camps --
there was only the Syrian army," he said. "The kibbutzim saw the good
agricultural land ... and they dreamed about it."
Amos Eran, a government official at the time of the war, said Dayan's
regret came from the fact that he wanted the Golan only as a bargaining
chip.
"Dayan didn't want the government to allow the kibbutzim to build there
afterward -- he hoped to trade it back for peace," Eran said.
About 13,000 Israelis live on the Golan today, mostly in farming
communities. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu insists that Israel must
maintain control over the plateau.
Israel captured the West Bank city of Hebron from Jordan in the same
war in which it took the Golan.
Dayan said he granted permission to settler leader Moshe Levinger to
enter Hebron on the condition that the U.S.-born rabbi and his family
would stay only for the weeklong Jewish holiday of Passover.
Levinger never left Hebron, and he became the father of the Jewish
settler movement that today includes 144,000 Israelis living throughout
the West Bank.
Dayan's daughter, Yael Dayan, verified her father's remarks to Tal. She
said that Dayan seemed to regret the handling of Hebron the most.
"He jumped to the sky with anger about Hebron and the provocation of
Levinger that has become such a tragedy," she said.
After years of clashes over Hebron, Israeli troops withdrew from most
of the city last year, following peace accords reached by previous
Israeli governments and the Palestinians.
He said he didn't believe his revelations would immediately affect
Israel-Syrian relations -- frozen since last year -- but said they
cleared up misconceptions about the fateful 1967 war.
"It will give people here a more realistic overview: The Golan Heights
are not something sacred and the man most closely associated with
conquering the heights himself was reticent about doing so," he said.
"We are not always the victims. There is a myth of peaceful farmers
being shot at by Syrians -- the truth is more ambiguous."


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Giorgino mi sa che č meglio che tu corra da uno specialista...non č un
problema di merito...dalle tue foto sembri un mite...ma mostri tratti
ossessivi/compulsivi.
MMAX
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 ossessivi/compulsivi.
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presunti 'cool' che coraggiosamente, dietro un bel monitor fanno i soliti 
commenti del cazzo, un commentino piu' creativo circa l'articolo citato dici 
che potrebbe essere possibile/fattibile?
K 

che potrebbe essere possibile/fattibile?
Non saprei, cosa mi regali?
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 Non saprei, cosa mi regali?
Hai la bellezza, le donne, soldi a palate, una salute di ferro.
Cosa potrei mai regalare a chi ha tutto?
K