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Titolo: [Romanato, Kairaddin] Ehi, costui non è musulmano!

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http://www.democrazialegalita.it/seromba.htm
Se ha commesso un cromine lo sbattano in galera.
Faccio notare che il chierico è accusato di aver aiutato una persona 
sconfitta e in fuga, non una persona che stava commettendo o 
pianificando uno sterminio.
Una piccola differenza.
Per chi la nota.
Mirco

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"Imputato è Athanase Seromba, ruandese di etnia hutu, prete cattolico"
[...]
"Nominato come Curato nella parrocchia di Nyange, a Kibungo, accolse con
fredda ipocrisia circa 2000 tusti in fuga, e li fece rifugiare
all'interno della chiesa. Della quale, però, sprangò porte e finestre.
Chiamò quindi le milizie hutu, e consegnò loro il bottino. Su sua stessa
"autorizzazione", la chiesa fu presa a cannonate. Sulle macerie
passarono e ripassarono i bulldozer ("non vi preoccupate per la
parrocchia! La ricostruiremo!", raccontano che gridasse). la nuova
chiesa cattolica di KibungoI pochi sopravvissuti furono finiti a colpi di
machete, e qualcuno pare lo abbia inferto pure lui. Nella puzza di sangue
e di fumo, il prete assassino si levò con autorità, e indicando i morti,
i pezzi dei morti, ordinò di "levare di torno quella immondizia". I
miliziani eseguirono. Era l'aprile del 1994, e i 2000 morti di Nyange
erano solo tra i primi di un totale che si è avvicinato al milione."
Cosa non ti è chiaro di quanto sopra riportato, Romanato?

 Per chi la nota.
Io noto che, se quanto sopra è vero, questo Padre Seromba è un figlio di
puttana genocida che meriterebbe un processo di Norimberga, altro che Carla
del Ponte.
Tb

> Se ha commesso un cromine lo sbattano in galera.
Riletto meglio. L'ho letto ditrattamente è ho capito fischi per fiaschi.
OK.
Un prete cattolico a partecipato al genocidio ugandese.
La curia cattolica italiana lo ha nascosto.
Lo ha fatto per motivi religiosi?
Forse la curia lo aveva finanziato per propagandare lo sterminio?
La sua religione gli imponeva di sterminare le sue vittime?
I cristiani sono famosi per prendersi cura di tutti i fuggiasci e i 
rifugiati, anche quelli che non lo meriterebbero.
Primo a dire che, se è colpevole, lo rendano al paese dove a comesso i 
suoi crimini, per una giusta punizione, secondo le regole del luogo.
Mirco


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Il tuo č l'ultimo pregiudizio socialmente accettabile, vorrei
sottolinearlo.
Nerone

 
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Agghiacciante....non ho parole! 

whiplash ha scritto:
giusto per par condicio: neppure questo tizio qui e' musulmano.
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Agghiacciante....non ho parole! 
Mi diverte un mondo come s'agghiaccia certa gente.
Ma lo sai chi mise in circolo " l'agghiacciamento " ?
No ?
D'Alema, cherie.
E lo sai chi s'agghiaccio'a causa mia (per via di certi " negri di
complemento" ) ?
Il vecchio, MMAX cherie.
Agghiacciatevi, agghiacciatevi compagni.
Una risata non basta a seppellirvi.
Kairaddin

Il problema e' che tutti hanno il loro marcio: noto e' il caso del
criminale di guerra Morel.
Prima delle istituzioni, dei popoli e delle ideologie ci sono i singoli
uomini, con la loro coscienza.
Israel refuses to extradite alleged war criminal
6 July 2005
WARSAW - Israel has refused a Polish request for the extradition of
Solomon Morel, 87, alleged to have committed crimes against humanity as
the head of a labour camp holding ethnic Germans in Poland's southern
Silesian region immediately after World War II, Poland's Rzeczpospolita
daily reported Wednesday.
Poland made its second request to Israel for the Israeli citizens
extradition on a charge of genocide in April 2004, after an earlier
request was refused in 1998.
Justice Minister Andrzej Kalwas said Wednesday Poland would forward no
further extradition requests for Morel to Israel.
"Unfortunately I must say that there is no legal chance for this
extradition," Kalwas  told the Polish PAP news agency.
Poland's Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) war crimes authority
suspects Morel is responsible for the death of some 1,538 ethnic
Silesians and Germans held at the Swietochlowice concentration camp
between February and November 1945.
Morel served as its commander immediately following the defeat of Nazi
Germany. Some of the prisoners had Nazi connections.
Eye-witness evidence collected during a lengthy IPN investigation
suggested Morel used both psychological and physical torture against
the nearly 6,000 inmates at the camp, including beatings and
starvation. He is also alleged to have allowed the spread of deadly
infectious diseases in the camp.
"There is no basis to accuse Morel of the crime of genocide or crimes
against the Polish nation. He and his family are survivors of genocide,
the obvious victims of genocide committed by the Nazis and their Polish
collaborators," reads an official statement from Israel's Justice
Ministry.
Morel fled Poland to Israel in 1992 after Polish justice authorities
launched a criminal investigation against him. In 1998, Israel refused
to honour an earlier extradition request, also claiming it had not been
presented with evidence of Morel's alleged involvement in war crimes.
According to the Rzeczpospolita report, Israel believed that the camp
held 60 inmates and emphasises Morel's wartime experience as a Polish
Jew targeted for death by Nazi Germany. Morel's parents and siblings
did not survive.
Israel also alleged the Polish request was made "against a Jewish
citizen" after 1989 by "a few Germans" after 1989 "during a period of
growing anti-Semitism".
Israel's Justice Ministry also underscored the fact that "thousands" of
Jewish survivors were killed in Poland in the immediate post-war period
and claims that many suspects escaped justice. 
DPA

 
http://www.democrazialegalita.it/seromba.htm
Non solo.  L'Islam in Ruanda e' cresciuto enormemente dopo il genocidio
proprio perche e visto come fede pacifica e universalista, in contrasto
col cattolicesimo.
http://www.iht.com/articles/513696.html
Rwanda's growing faith: Islam
Marc Lacey/NYT NYT
Wednesday, April 7, 2004
 KIGALI, Rwanda When 800,000 of their Tutsi countrymen were
slaughtered in a massacre that began 10 years ago this week, many
Rwandans lost faith not only in their government but also in their
religion. Today, in what is still a predominantly Roman Catholic
country, Islam is the fastest-growing religion.
Many people, disgusted by the role some Catholic priests and nuns
played in the genocide, have shunned organized religion altogether,
and many more have turned to Islam.
"People died in my old church and the pastor helped the killers," said
Yakobo Djuma Nzeyimana, 21, who became a Muslim in 1996. "I couldn't
go back and pray there. I had to find something else."
Wearing a black prayer cap, Nzeyimana was one of nearly 2,000
worshippers at the Masdjid Al Fat'h last Friday. The crowd was so
large that some Muslims set their prayer mats on the dirt outside the
mosque and prayed in the midday heat.
The Muslim community now boasts so many converts that it has embarked
on a campaign to construct mosques to accommodate all the faithful.
There are about 500 mosques scattered throughout Rwanda, about double
the number that existed a decade ago.
Although no accurate census has been done, Muslim leaders in Rwanda
estimate that they have a million followers, or about 15 percent of
the population. That, too, would represent a doubling of their numbers
over the past 10 years.
Muslim leaders credit the gains to their ability to shield most
Muslims, and many other Rwandans, from certain death in the 1994
slaughter. "The Muslims handled themselves well in '94 and I wanted to
be like them," said Alex Rutiririza, explaining why he converted to
Islam last year. With killing all around, he said the safest place to
be back then was in a Muslim neighborhood. Then as now, many of
Rwanda's Muslims lived crowded together in the Biryogo neighborhood of
Kigali.
During the mass killing, militias had the place surrounded, but Hutu
Muslims did not cooperate with the Hutu killers. They said they felt
far more connected through religion than through ethnicity, and Muslim
Tutsi were spared. "Nobody died in a mosque," said Ramadhani Rugema,
executive secretary of the Muslim Association of Rwanda. "No Muslim
wanted any other Muslim to die. We stood up to the militias. And we
helped many non-Muslims get away." Rugema, a Tutsi, said he owed his
life to a Muslim stranger who hid him in his home when members of the
Interahamwe militia were pursuing him. Rugema said that two imams were
arrested outside Kigali for participating in the massacre. But both
were released within about two years for lack of evidence. "We are
proud of how Islam emerged from the genocide," he said. For all the
gains Islam has made, however, no one is suggesting that it is about
to supplant Christianity as the country's dominant religion.
Catholicism, which arrived in the late 19th century with the White
Fathers order, remains deeply embedded in the culture. On Palm Sunday
last weekend, worshippers on their way home from mass lined the
roadways throughout Rwanda with fronds in their hands. They included
people like Mediatrice Mukarutabana, who survived a slaughter in her
church that she says has made her even more observant now. "God saved
me," she said after the morning mass at Saint Francis Xavier Church in
eastern Rwanda. "He was testing my faith. Since the genocide, I've
been transformed. I can endure more now. I have more of a connection
with God."
Mukarutabana's church has a new pastor. The one who was there during
1994, a Spanish priest, tried to persuade the attacking militias to
spare his congregation. He even offered them money if they would go
away. But the militias would not relent. After a standoff, the
attackers offered the priest the opportunity to leave safely on his
own, and he fled. Mukarutabana said she felt let down by the priest's
decision to leave the congregation behind but she said she understands
his fear. "We thank him because he made every effort to save us," she
said. "But when it came to the 11th hour, he blessed us and left us to
die." Church leaders have taken pains since 1994 to teach a message of
healing and to distance the church from clergy members who failed to
protect their congregations. They say that, after a period of decline,
they are now slowly rebuilding attendance, and that Christianity
continues to play an important role in the recovery from 1994. But the
pain of 1994 lingers, and many, like Alex Rutiririza, are still
looking for an alternative to Christianity.
In a country where Christians account for about 70 percent of the
population, however, Rutiririza found as others have that conversion
can be a difficult and complex process. His wife remained with the
Methodists, he said, while his children joined him at the mosque. He
said he was ostracized by his Methodist congregation after he decided
last year to become a Muslim. Neighbors steer clear of him, he said,
now that he has left Christianity. The community Rutiririza joined is
a largely self-sufficient group, receiving relatively small amounts of
aid from the larger Muslim world. Libya did build a grand cultural
center for Muslims in Rwanda more than 20 years ago, and Saudi Arabia
also provides financing for some of the mosques. It is also largely an
inward-looking group, and not a likely candidate for harboring Al
Qaeda cells. While Rwanda's Muslims say they follow the travails of
Islamic adherents in other parts of the world - the wars in
Afghanistan and Iraq, for instance, and the conflict in the Middle
East - their primary focus is on their own struggle to put their lives
back together. "Our first priority is our country," Rugema said.
"Muslims in other countries face many problems, too, but we focus here
more than on Afghanistan or Iraq. In Rwanda, there is no Al Qaeda."
The New York Times


Non ti piace il termine?
Seriamente: scegline tu un altro.
Io non so come definire una situazione del genere. A me lascia quantomeno 
perplessa...Poi, fa' un po' tu! Ora passiamo al merito (della questione, 
s'intende).
Grazie. 

Non ti piace il termine?
Abusato, per colpa della sinistra, ca va sansa dire.
Nel merito :
1-Se quell'individuo risultasse davvero colpevole, dovrebbe pagare un
prezzo alto, direi.
2-Cmq va giudicato da tribunali imparziali, e con lui chi lo nasconde.
3-Tieni presente pero' l'orrore di tutta la situazione ruandese, col
milione di morti ( la maggior parte mediante mannaja ! ).
4-Tieni infine presente che la Chiesa Cattolica - rigorosamente IMO-
ordina sacerdoti con criteri troppo spesso " quantitativi". Vecchia
questione quella dei Vescovi che pur di riempire i Seminari ( senza
tuttavia riuscirci ) accettano gente che non dovrebbe mai neppure
metterci piede...
Kairaddin

 Nel merito :
Ok. 

 
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Premesso che la fonte, tanto per cambiare, è immondizia allo stato
puro, supponiamo che il contenuto dell'articolo sia vero.
"So fucking what?", direbbero gli amici yankee.
Al limite, si dimostra che la barbarie del singolo è indipendente
dalla propria fede/cultura, ovvero proprio ciò che sostiene il
sottoscritto.

 
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Da aggiungere che un mussulmano che uccide o decapita non fa notizia, 
mentre un cristiano si.
Come la storia del cane che morde lpuomo e dell'uomo che morde il cane.
Mirco

 puro, 
sara' pulita la tua, di fonte: un sito di comunisti e
comunistoidi che si battono per il matrimonio dei froci. Rotfl! 
Guardarsi prima allo specchio mai, eh?
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parole sante.
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