Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Grandi differenze per gli Iracheni

questa e' da conservare
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/3621369.stm
apparentemente tratta del fatto che le truppe indigene
reclutate dagli imperiali si sono prevedibilmente 
rifiutate di reprimere i loro connazionali, 
leggere con attenzione tutto il testo per scoprire
qui l'impero vuol ora reclutare.... sono proprio le ultime righe
Iraqi officers 'refused to fight' 
Many newly-trained Iraqi police and army personnel refused to fight Shia and
Sunni rebels in the recent unrest, the head of US Central Command says. 
Gen John Abizaid said this was a "great disappointment" - and announced the
coalition would draw top officers from the disbanded army of Saddam Hussein. 
The creation of a new Iraqi army that can follow orders is seen as key to
America's withdrawal plans from Iraq. 
The US had barred officers from Saddam Hussein's era serving in the military. 
Uneasy truce 
The reversal of policy follows a week of violence in Iraq, in which US forces
faced armed opponents in Sunni-dominated zones, as well as in some formerly
friendly Shia-majority cities. 
Gen Abizaid said a number of Iraqi police and civil defence corps staff "did not
stand up to the intimidators" during the unrest. 
His comments follow reports that a newly-trained battalion of the Iraqi army
refused to support US forces as they besieged Sunni insurgents in the flashpoint
city of Falluja. 
It was also reported that some members of Baghdad's new police force turned
against US soldiers during last week's clashes in the Shia neighbourhood of Sadr
city. 
"Clearly we know that some of the police did not stay with their posts and that
in some cases, because we've seen films of policemen with Sadr's militia in
particular, that there were some defections," Gen Abizaid said. 
He said their numbers were not large but they were "troubling" to the coalition. 
But he qualified his criticism by saying the US was largely "proud" of the way
many of the new recruits had fought. 
The US has trained at least 200,000 Iraqis to serve as police officers, soldiers
and border guards in the last year. 
Gen Abizaid said some problems would remain until more Iraqis occupied command
positions in the new army and police. 
A number of top brass from Iraq's Baathist former regime would shortly be
appointed to "key positions in the ministry of defence and the Iraqi joint staff
and in Iraqi field commands", the top officer announced. 
"It's also very clear we've got to get more senior Iraqis involved - former
military types involved in the security forces." 
ma vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? la guerra, visto che le armi di distrazione
di massa non si sono trovate, non era allora necessaria per ribaltare il feroce
dittatore Saddam che biecamente reprimeva i suoi connazionali che gemevano
sotto il tallone delle truppe del regime dll'appunto bieco Saddam?????
e non era il partito Baatista lo strumento della repressione e segntamanete
le sue forze di polizia?? ma te guarda chi ti vuole reclutare il generale
imperiale gli ex-repressori buahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
dopo magari i due Cip & Ciop (ho visto prima in TV Bush con a fianco
il suo barboncino inglese alla conferenza stampa)
dicono che hanno portato la democrazia in Iraq
ahahahahahhaahahahhahahahahahaha 
Bye

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gli Iracheni prima soffrivano sotto il tallone del
bieco tiranno Saddam (quello che si diceva fosse in grado 
di colpire entro 45' il civile occidente con le sue armi di distrazione di
massa).
Ora gli iracheni possono toccare con mano la civilita' dell'appunto civile
occidente, leggere per credere...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3644431.stm
Last Updated: Wednesday, 21 April, 2004, 09:16 GMT 10:16 UK  
Charges have yet to be filed against Saddam Hussein 
A spokesman for the pro-American Iraqi National Congress has given details of
the new tribunal being set up to try former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. 
The Iraqi National Congress has named a general director of the tribunal, seven
judges and several prosecutors. 
It also allocated a budget of $75m for 2004-2005, but did not set a date for the
trial to begin. 
The court will decide the charges faced by Saddam Hussein, which might include
genocide and crimes against humanity. 
 
(...) 
attenzione ora (nel senso sedetevi e/o liberate il piano del tavolo
da oggetti contundenti che potreste farvi male quando cadete ridendo)
(...)
"Lawyer Salem Chalabi was named president of the court," said Entifadh Qanbar,
spokesman for the Iraqi National Congress (INC). 
Mr Chalabi is a US-educated lawyer and nephew of the head of the INC, Ahmed
Chalabi. 
buahahahahhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahaahahahahahahahhahahahahaahh
il nipote di uno che aspira a diventare il nuovo capo locale e' il presidente
del tribunale del precedente ahahahahah e naturalmente il proconsole imperiale
bremer, quello che metterebbe il veto se gli iracheni volessero un riferimento
alla repubblica islamica nella costituzione su questo NON mette il veto
ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahbuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha
mi domando quanto si becca in tangente il proconsole imperiale dei 75 mio USD
stanziati
per il processo al vile tiranno ahahahahahahahaha saranno contenti gli iracheni
adesso che e' arrivata la civilta' in babilonia
Bye
P.S. volevo chiudere con un link ad un post di Namib che segnalava le
gesta di un parente di Chalabi (con cugino pero' non lo pesco su google)
che era diventato "fonte" dei servizi tedeschi che poi passavano il
dossier agli imperiali e poi... era una storia divertente sulle 
armi di distrazione di massa.

 gesta di un parente di Chalabi (con cugino pero' non lo pesco su google)
Se lo ritrovo te lo mando; intanto ecco una interessante biografia di
Chalabi in persona:
http://www.saag.org/papers7/paper659.html
Shalom.
Namib

 alla repubblica islamica nella costituzione su questo NON mette il veto
Mai provato a leggere la costituzione provvisoria irachena, vero?
Cito:
(
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/TAL.html
)
"Article 7.
A)       Islam is the official religion of the State and is to be
considered a source of legislation.  No law that contradicts the
universally agreed tenets of Islam, the principles of democracy, or the
rights cited in Chapter Two of this Law may be enacted during the
transitional period.  This Law respects the Islamic identity of the
majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of
all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice. "
Raffaele
-- 
Raffaele Castagno
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 Namib

 "Article 7.
Mai provato a pensare che l'Iran e' una Repubblica Islamica?
Secondo te cosa hanno in mente gli Sciti? 
L'esempio che vedono di la del confine  oppure sta bueata dell'articolo 7
che citi "universally agreed tenents of Islam", che quali sarebbero poi?
I Wahabiti se mi ricordo bene consideravano gli Sciti quasi dei pagani, 
go figure.
Bye
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 sul sit nomen omen
Hai ragione. Era "Iraq. Balle e 'curveball(s)' ". Te lo riposto. Bye.
Namib
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March 28, 2004
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-curveball28mar28,1,313109
8.story?coll=la-util-nationworld-world
Iraqi Defector's Tales Bolstered U.S. Case for War
 Colin Powell presented the U.N. with details on mobile germ factories,
which came from a now-discredited source known as 'Curveball.'
By Bob Drogin and Greg Miller, Times Staff Writers
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration's prewar claims that Saddam Hussein had
built a fleet of trucks and railroad cars to produce anthrax and other
deadly germs were based chiefly on information from a now-discredited Iraqi
defector code-named "Curveball," according to current and former
intelligence officials.
U.S. officials never had direct access to the defector and didn't even know
his real name until after the war. Instead, his story was provided by German
agents, and his file was so thick with details that American officials
thought it confirmed long-standing suspicions that the Iraqis had developed
mobile germ factories to evade arms inspections.
Curveball's story has since crumbled under doubts raised by the Germans and
the scrutiny of U.S. weapons hunters, who have come to see his code name as
particularly apt, given the problems that beset much of the prewar
intelligence collection and analysis.
U.N. weapons inspectors hypothesized that such trucks might exist, officials
said. They then asked former exile leader Ahmad Chalabi, a bitter enemy of
Hussein, to help search for intelligence supporting their theory.
Soon after, a young chemical engineer emerged in a German refugee camp and
claimed that he had been hired out of Baghdad University to design and build
biological warfare trucks for the Iraqi army.
Based largely on his account, President Bush and his aides repeatedly warned
of the shadowy germ trucks, dubbed "Winnebagos of Death" or "Hell on Wheels"
in news accounts, and they became a crucial part of the White House case for
war - including Secretary of State Colin L. Powell's dramatic presentation
to the U.N. Security Council just weeks before the war.
Only later, U.S. officials said, did the CIA learn that the defector was the
brother of one of Chalabi's top aides, and begin to suspect that he might
have been coached to provide false information. Partly because of that, some
U.S. intelligence officials and congressional investigators fear that the
CIA may have inadvertently conjured up and then chased a phantom weapons
system.
[...]

 ^^^^^^^^ buahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
Togliattiani questi yankees, nevvero?
Ale
P.S. Ma non c'era qualcuno che si lamentava perlo scioglimento 
dell'esercito iracheno?

precedenti post qui
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6196c429.0404041002.407ea413%40posting.google.com
con Namib che ha ripostato il direi mitico caso curvedball
e qui
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6196c429.0404271332.2690fa9d%40posting.google.com
molti post sulle torture ad iracheni prigionieri da parte del bieco
tiranno Saddam, correzione, da parte degli eroici liberatori imperiali
arrivati in babilonia per portare la halliburton oppure la democrazia
(adesso mi sfugge quale delle due era nei discorsi imperiali)
quello che vorrei sottolineare sono le perle di postmodernismo
che si possono leggere aprendo piu' web browser, ovvero si possono
leggere headline tipo 
http://212.2.162.45/news/story.asp?j=102454014&p=yxz4547zx&n=102454774
in cui si poteva leggere....
US marines hand Fallujah over to Saddam general
29/04/2004 - 13:27:18  
US marines announced the end of the bloody, near four-week siege of
Fallujah
today and will hand the city over to an all-Iraqi force, commanded by
one of
Saddam HusseinÅ?*s generals .
http://212.2.162.45/news/story.asp?j=84163220&p=84y638xx&n=84163829
Television shows ill treatment of Iraqi prisoners
29/04/2004 - 13:02:15 
e la cosa piu' interessante e' che la prigione ove sono avvenuti i
fatti
riportati, ovvero le torture...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3669331.stm
Last Updated: Thursday, 29 April, 2004, 11:41 GMT 12:41 UK  
US general suspended over abuse
(..)
The prison where the abuses are alleged to have taken place was a
notorious torture centre during the Saddam Hussein era.
(..)
...  era usata allo stesso scopo dal Saddam
ahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahaha
buahahahahahhahahahahah a Falluja gli imperiali in difficolta'
reistallano un ex generale di Saddam, a 'sto punto il Bush&Blair
potrebbero andare dal Saddam, dargli una pacca sulla spalla e
reistallarlo
pure lui ahahahahahahahahah cioe' dico d-e-m-o-c-r-a-z-i-a in medio
oriente era il piano ajhahahahahahahahahahhhhahaahhahahaahahahahahahha
e' tempo di attualizzare il grande detto cinese "viviamo in tempi
interessanti"
ora "viviamo in tempi postmoderni"
Bye

 ...  era usata allo stesso scopo dal Saddam
E il Pirlissima(TM) ha le prove che lo scopo attuale della prigione
fosse quello di torturare i prigionieri, ma per non mettere in
difficolta' gl imperiali ha deciso di non mostrarle al mondo. :)
-Stefano