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Titolo: Mangiare i bambini fa parte della cultura Islamica

Cosi' dice, con fonti "credibilissime", il giornale dei Neocon USA,
WorldNetDaily.   Si dimentica di precisare che nella cultura
Palestinese e' particolarmente raccomandato di inzuppare i dolcetti
del Ramadan nel sangue dei bambini Cristiani e Ebrei.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56723
More cases of terrorists 'baking' children cited
Researchers say Muslim history includes cooking human victims
Posted: July 19, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
Michael Yon, appearing on CNN
Although the recent WND report of al-Qaida terrorists allegedly baking
a young boy and serving him as a meal to his relatives was too
horrific for some to believe, a major Christian ministry is citing
another example - and also claims such a practice has its roots in the
historical stories of Islam.
The issue has come into focus following a report from Michael Yon, a
Special Forces soldier now in Iraq to report on the successes there.
He told radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt he was inspired by a "news
cycle that seems to pander toward the terrorists."
Yon, who has earned widespread respect as an independent journalist,
reported that Iraqi officials told him about al-Qaida terrorists
baking children and serving them to their families.
(Story continues below)
He confirmed independently to WND that an Iraqi official had recounted
for him instances in which the terrorists would bake a young boy, then
invite his family to have lunch, with the baked child as the main
course.
Officials with the Barnabas Fund, an international Christian group
working to help persecuted Christians, particularly those in Muslim-
majority contexts, then confirmed Yon's report aligns with one of
their own reports about such an atrocity.
And a researcher for the Barnabas Fund cites what he says is the
foundation for such barbarism.
The researcher said the story is common to history books that include
the story of Mohammed ibn Abu Bekre, a contemporary of Muhammad. The
connections are these: Mohammad ibn Abu Bekre was the son of Abu
Bekre, the first adult male to believe in Muhammad. Mohammad ibn Abu
Bekre also is the brother of Aisha, Muhammad's 9-year-old wife.
The history stories recount, according to the Barnabas Fund
researcher: "When Abu Bekre divorced the mother of his son Mohammed,
Ali (the fourth Caliph) took her as a wife. Later Ali as Caliph
appointed his stepson and the son of Abu Bekre, the brother of Aisha,
the beloved wife of the prophet, as the governor of Egypt."
However, after five months, a rival Caliph army invaded Egypt to take
it back from Ali, and they killed Mohammed ibn Abu Bekre, the history
books say.
"Then they put his body (corpse) in a dead donkey, then they roasted
the donkey and sent it as a gift to Aisha," the history books say.
"From that day on Aisha never ate roasted food."
The researcher said this specific information comes from Ibn Kathir's
history book, "al Bidayah wa-Nihaya," but the story is common to
Islamic history books if they include a reference to Mohammed ibn Abu
Bekre.
A Christian website, Muslim Hope, also documents the story with minor
variations. In this version, Mohammed ibn Abu Bekre was executed, and
the body then was put "in the carcass of a donkey, and then burned."
Robert Spencer of JihadWatch told WND the account is from Islamic
tradition.
"He was put in the skin of a dead donkey and burned," he said. "It is
absolutely true [that the events are part of Islamic history]."
The Barnabas Fund said its sources inside Iraq confirmed "a toddler
was kidnapped in Baghdad in October 2006. The mother could not afford
to pay the ransom, and so the kidnappers killed the child. They
returned the body to the mother. The little child had been beheaded,
roasted and was served on a mound of rice."
"We received a number of inquiries about its veracity," the
organization told WND about its December 2006 report. "More questions
followed when a reporter at the [London] Telegraph blogged about it on
their website on March 31 of this year."
"A few sites on the web not only openly doubted it, but also published
statements saying that we surely invented it for purposes of
fundraising and/or because of Islamophobia," the group continued.
However, the organization stood by its sources, and, "After seeing
Michael Yon's report, we hope such horrific incidents will indeed be
reported upon and recognized as the dark works of jihadists, not ours
and others' imagination."
A spokesman for the organization, Marshall Sana, told WND the Barnabas
Fund works directly with local Christian leaders wherever it can reach
them throughout Iraq, and its report came from two different parties.
"We heard this story from two separate sources, both of them senior
Christian leaders in the region, one of them with direct pastoral
responsibility for the family involved," he said. "We were offered a
photo, but the UK office [of Barnabas Fund] said we did not want to
see it. The family has some relatives living in the UK."
The report from Yon came while he was covering the war - and al-
Qaida's involvement - in Baqubah, and he was listening to statements
from an Iraqi official who asked that his name not be reported.
"Speaking through an American interpreter, Lt. David Wallach, who is a
native Arabic speaker, the Iraqi official related how al-Qaida united
these gangs who then became absorbed into 'al-Qaida.' They recruited
boys born during the years 1991, 92 and 93 who were each given
weapons, including pistols, a bicycle and a phone (with phone cards
paid) and a salary of $100 per month, all courtesy of al-Qaida. These
boys were used for kidnapping, torturing and murdering people," said
Yon's dispatch, "Bless the Beasts and Children."
"At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new
al-Qaida directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought
differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in
Baqubah, al-Qaida invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to
their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he
said, who was about 11 years old," Yon continued.
"As Lt. David Wallach interpreted the man's words, I saw Wallach go
blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked
Wallach, 'What did he say?' Wallach said that at these luncheons, the
families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with
his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al-Qaida served the boy to
his family."
One of the groups that has far more knowledge about torture and
atrocities than it would prefer is International Christian Concern.
Policy Analyst Jeremy Sewall calls such reports "pretty extreme." But
he also said with the documentation of various other tortures that
have come out, "Your report wouldn't surprise me."
"I'm just thinking of a report about two Muslims who approached a
Christian boy at a work at a mechanic's shop. They said, 'Are you a
Christian.' He said, "Yes.' And they beheaded him on the spot," he
said.
He also cited the recently confirmed report from Turkey, where Muslims
martyred three Christians in an attack that was most accurately
described as "gruesome."
In that case, "various body parts were chopped off," he confirmed. "It
was terrible."
As WND reported, Tilman Geske, a German citizen, and two Turkish
Christians were martyred - allegedly by five Muslims who met the three
victims at a Christian publishing company for a Bible study, according
to Voice of the Martyrs.
According to the reports, Geske, 46, Pastor Necati Aydin and Ugur
Yuksel were killed with hundreds of stab wounds, "they were
disemboweled and their intestines sliced up in front of their eyes."
Yon told WND he reported what he was told - no more or less. "Perhaps
it's urban legend. I have no idea. But my reporting was spot on. ... I
quoted someone and offered zero opinion," he said.
But he, also, said he'd witnessed the results of atrocities, such as
the unearthing of the heads of decapitated children, that convinced
him al-Qaida certainly was capable of such a heinous crime.
"Al-Qaida: the organization that gleefully bragged about murdering
roughly 3,000 people by smashing jets full of civilians into buildings
and earth. Al-Qaida in Iraq: who proudly broadcast their penchant for
sawing off the heads of living breathing people, and in such a manner
as to ensure lots of spurting blood and gurgles of final pain, in some
cases with the added flourish of the executioner raising up the
severed head and squealing excitedly," he said.
"People at home might find it incredible, improbable, even impossible.
Yet here in combat with al-Qaida, the idea is no more improbable-
sounding than someone saying 'The chicken crossed the road.' Maybe the
chicken crossed the road. Maybe not. The veterans I've been talking
with here have no difficulty imagining the chicken crossing the road,
or al-Qaida roasting kids. Sickening, yes. Improbable, no," he said.
The Catholic Encyclopedia notes that the concept of "passing children
through fire" dates back to the Old Testament, when the god Moloch
appeared.
"The chief feature of Moloch's worship among the Jews seems to have
been the sacrifice of children, and the usual expression for
describing that sacrifice was 'to pass through the fire', a rite
carried out after the victims had been put to death," the reference
says.
"The prophets expressly treat the cult of Moloch as foreign and as an
apostasy from the worship of the true God," it continues. "The
offerings by fire ... have suggested to many that Moloch was a fire-
or sun-god."
The Old Testament, in Leviticus, also specifies the death penalty for
someone who gives children to Moloch: "He shall surely be put to
death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones."
Jeremiah called the practice an "abomination."
The Barnabas Fund was set up in 1993 to provide practical help to
Christians in Muslim environments. It works to channel money from
Christians to Christians, and it partners with local leaders in the
persecuted church.
"We seek to tackle persecution at its root by making known the aspects
of the Islamic faith which result in injustice and oppression of non-
Muslims," the group's website states. "We believe we are called to
address the Islamic faith - an ideology which denies human rights and
religious liberty to Christian minorities - while continuing to show
God's love to Muslim people."

WorldNetDaily.
Balle.  Queste sono le stronzate che un *COGLIONE* come te tenta di
mettergli in bocca.
-Stefano

 Researchers say Muslim history includes cooking human victims
l'hanno detto dei comunisti per decenni e milioni di idioti ci hanno
creduto, perchè non dovrebbero ripetersi coi musulmani?

 creduto, perchè non dovrebbero ripetersi coi musulmani?
Uhm.. stai a vedere che i jihadisti sono comunisti, o viceversa :D
Palmiro Pangloss

 Si vede che non hai mai visto pranzare MMAX.
non ne ho bisogno, mi bastano i miei di pranzi...ma 2 comunisti che
mangiano bambini non sono I comunisti....

 mangiano bambini non sono I comunisti....
Considerando quanti sono i comunisti oggi direi che 2 rappresenta una
percentuale significativa.
Palmiro Pangloss

 mangiano bambini non sono I comunisti...
Puoi provarlo?
Tb
-- 
E' una grande mitzvah essere sempre felici (R. Nachman)

 Puoi provarlo?
mi basta dimostrare che esista un terzo comunista che non mangia i
bambini....sergio, tu mangi bambini?

giovanni wrote:
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Sergio non è comunista, e nemmeno tu.
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 Sergio non è comunista, e nemmeno tu.
e il labor è un partito razzista. 1-1

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Non sei di sinistra, quindi le tue definizioni di partiti di sinistra sono 
improntate a ovvia ostilità. Non contano.
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 Non sei di sinistra,
e tu sì, vero? ROTFL

 e tu sě, vero?
Essendo moderatamente egualitario ed essendo privo di tare escludenti, direi di 
sě. Moderatamente.
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 sì. Moderatamente.
puoi provarlo ? (cit)

 puoi provarlo ? (cit)
E' un assioma.
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 E' un assioma.
gli assiomi non muoiono....

 Sergio non è comunista
hai pensato di avvisare il mio Partito di questo? magari con una
telefonata anonima fatta da qualche mezzasega agente segreto bottegaro al
servizio di tuo padre.
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 gli assiomi non muoiono.
Quoto.
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 E' un assioma.
LOL, guarda che ti osservo, eh. :-P

whiplash wrote:
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eheheheh
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Magari mangiarli no, ma, a quanto pare, picchiarli fino a vederli sanguinare 
sě.

 sì.
Ciao, colonello delle mie ciabatte, di che nazionalità e religione è una
certa Anna Maria Franzoni?
E gli assassini di Tommaso Onofri di che nazionalità e religione sono,
di grazia?
E i coniugi Romano-Bazzi da Erba?

 E i coniugi Romano-Bazzi da Erba?
Ciao, ma perchè ti devi arrabbiare da subito? Io mica scrivo "whiplash delle 
mie ciabatte". Bah...
Innanzitutto citi tre casi di omicidio infantile commesso certo non perchè 
il prete/imam/rabbino/guru ti ha indottrinato, ma sei di fronte a dei casi 
di devianza psicologica.
Inoltre deviano rispetto alla norma culturale che vuole che non si tocchino 
comunque i bambini (perfino nelle carceri questa norma è riconosciuta e... 
applicata, tant'è che uno degli assassini di Tommaso si è preso una bancata 
storica in cella).
A quanto pare invece (ho detto "pare") l'imam di Perugia invitava a 
picchiare fino al sangue i bambini non mussulmani allo scopo di imporre un 
dominio psicologico, che è cosa ben diversa dalla devianza, e nessuno si è 
sentito in diritto di buttarlo a calci in un porcile (pensa se un prete si 
esprimeva così da un pulpito...).
Insomma, per non voler apparire "razzisti" (tale ormai è l'epiteto per chi 
non è d'accordo sul lassismo immigratorio o sul semplice riconoscimento che 
diverse culture necessitano di punti fermi per convivere ma non a 
prescindere dall'identità degli autoctoni), stai difendendo degli imitatori 
delle SS.
Poi. che esistano mussulmani che non si sognano nenache di far ciò è chiaro 
ed evidente, ma che tanti fra di loro ci pensino su è nei fatti.
Fra questi "tanti" ce ne sono alcuni che "fanno" e saranno pure pochi in 
senso numerico assoluto, ma sono pur sempre troppi rispetto al fisiologico 
numero di imbecilli fanatici tollerabili in ogni religione/ideologia.
Tutto qui, o ti sembra così strano?

 dominio psicologico
a quanto pare a me invece l'imam invitava a comportarsi così i bambini
che subivano insulti razzisti dai loro cattolicissimi compagni, e ha
straragione, dal momento che i razzisti sono bestie che imparano solo
a calci in culo, e quindi se non li prendono fin da piccoli non
imparano a rispettare gli altri...se per te non accettare di farsi
chiamare musulmano di merda vuol dire imporre il dominio psicologico
sui poveri bambini cattolici italiani, il problema è tuo..

sui poveri bambini cattolici italiani, il problema è tuo..
No. Il punto è che se un pm qualsiasi scopre che io insegno a mio figlio a 
picchiare se lo chiamano
cattolico di m
bianco di m
italiano di m
etc
mi tolgono il figlio, la patria potestà e mi sbattono pure dentro ed 
all'indice e tu sei fra quelli che applaudono.
Se lo fanno loro... no.
Questo è quanto.
Il razzista "al contrario" sei tu.

 all'indice
trovami un solo italiano che ha perso la patria potestà per questo...

>trovami un solo italiano che ha perso la patria potestà per questo...
Se ne trovo due? 

 Se ne trovo due?
quanti ne vuoi, purchè mi dai anche il nome del giudice demente che ha
tolto la patria potestà a un padre che ha insegnato al proprio figlio
a difendersi dai razzisti...

a difendersi dai razzisti...
Questo significherebbe "riconoscere" che il razzismo è lottare contro una 
discriminazione "aprioristica" attribuita ad un gruppo e che ricade sul 
singolo in quanto parte di tale gruppo anche se oggettivamente non 
personalmente ricalcante quella definizione.
Ti avverto che la lotta di classe, ad esempio, sta in questa definizione.
Cmq il punto è che, tu mi insegni, "difendersi" non vuol affatto dire che 
agli insulti si risponde a cazzotti, semmai con altri insulti.
Inoltre bisogna distinguere il contesto. Se in mezzo ad una rissa, poniamo, 
a qualcuno scappa uno "sporco negro" non penso sia razzismo.
Se in una manifestazione, a freddo, parte un "morte ai borghesi", beh, è 
certamente più vicino ad un sentimento razzista questo.
IMHO, naturalmente, giusto per arrivare a capirci.
Ciao 

 certamente più vicino ad un sentimento razzista questo.
i borghesi non sono una razza, sono persone che hanno deliberatamente
scelto di vivere sfruttando il lavoro altrui, per cui non c'è niente
di razzista nel disprezzarli.

di razzista nel disprezzarli.
Letto ciň...
Io qui concludo, non sono attrezzato per questo tipo di casi.
Qualcuno chiami la Neuro e se la sbrighino loro.