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Titolo: US sees South America as possible China counter

Ma perché non competono con la Cina sullo stesso piano invece che 
buttarla sempre sul confronto militare?
 
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US sees South America as possible China counter
Associated Press By LOLITA C. BALDOR | Associated Press – 1 hr 42 mins ago
 
ABOARD A U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT (AP) — In these days of shrinking U.S. 
defense budgets, the Obama administration is looking to South America to 
help monitor and protect the Asia-Pacific region in the years ahead.
 
During visits to Colombia, Brazil and Chile this past week, Pentagon 
chief Leon Panetta underscored their importance as military partners in 
the Pacific, where China is challenging U.S. influence in a number of 
countries. As those defense relationships grow, officials say it can 
only help U.S. economic and political ties across South America.
 
Panetta's talks also focused on how the United States can support their 
military efforts, including those directed at the expanding threat of 
cyberattacks, according to several senior defense officials who spoke on 
condition of anonymity because the meetings were private.
 
U.S. officials left the region thinking that at some point there may be 
opportunities to talk with South American nations about helping to train 
Afghan forces after NATO combat troops leave at the end of 2014. 
Officials would provide no details on which countries might eventually 
be willing to take on some of the training mission, which will need 
advisers as other NATO nations withdraw their troops.
 
With the U.S. turning its focus from Iraq and Afghanistan, the 
Pentagon's new military strategy puts more importance on the 
Asia-Pacific region. North Korea is a growing threat while China is 
building its military and working to expand its political and economic 
influence.
 
The Pentagon is poised to move more forces to the Pacific, including 
rotating units in and out of Australia. The U.S. has long provided 
training, equipment, assistance and a security umbrella for many of the 
region. With looming budget cuts that will reduce the size of the 
military, the U.S. is looking to South American countries to be more 
active global partners.
 
"The United States, just like other countries, are facing budget 
constrictions, which are going to affect the future," Panetta told 
reporters at a news conference in Brazil. "And what we believe is that 
the best way to approach the future is to develop partnerships, 
alliances, to develop relationships with other countries, share 
information, share assistance, share capabilities, and in that way we 
can provide greater security for the future."
 
Panetta would like to see South American countries use their greater 
military capability to train some Central American nations that are not 
as advanced.
 
Defense chiefs Juan Camillo Pinzon of Colombia, Celso Amorim of Brazil 
and Andres Allamand of Chile brought up cyberthreats as a major concern, 
including incidents of hacker attacks and data thefts, U.S. defense 
officials said.
 
The three countries, said one official said, want help from the U.S. in 
hardening their computer networks against breaches and increasing their 
technological skills. The official said there is a recognition of how 
vulnerable they are, and they want to learn more about the nature of the 
threat and how to combat it.
 
That threat is likely to involve China, which is steadily gaining as a 
top trading partner and economic developer in South America. It's 
surpassing the U.S. in trade with Brazil, Chile and Peru, and is a close 
second in Argentina and Colombia.
 
For the first time, U.S. intelligence officials publicly called out 
China late last year as a significant cyberthreat. While they did not 
directly tie attacks to the Beijing government, they said the Chinese 
are systematically stealing American high-tech data for their own 
economic gain. The unusually forceful public report seemed to signal a 
new, more vocal U.S. government campaign against the cyberattacks.
 
The Pentagon's clandestine National Security Agency is an acknowledged 
world leader in cybertechnologies. U.S. officials have struggled to work 
out ways for the government to help other nations as well as the private 
sector in the United States shore up critical networks.
 
To date, however, countries around the world have not come up with any 
detailed agreements on how best to work together. These issues present 
legal and political challenges, including conflicting laws and the lack 
of broadly accepted international guidelines for Internet oversight.
 
Panetta made it clear that cybersecurity was "a whole new arena" that 
all the nations are concerned about. He also encouraged South American 
nations to expand their security efforts to other regions, including Africa.
 
"The United States must remain a global power," Panetta said during a 
speech in Brazil. "But ... more and more nations are making and must 
make an important contribution to global security. We welcome and 
encourage this new reality because frankly it makes the world safer and 
all of our nations stronger."
 
http://news.yahoo.com/us-sees-south-america-possible-china-counter-140345250.html
 
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 buttarla sempre sul confronto militare?
 
Sono cattivi dentro, e manovrati dai "sionisti" fuori.
 
PP
 

Il 28/04/12 21:24, Palmiro Pangloss ha scritto:
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E soprattutto la Cina è una grande potenza pacifista.
Hanno il più grande aumento percentuale di spesa militare del mondo.
 
Ma a loro insaputa.
 
 
-- 
“Those who expect to reap the blessings of  freedom, must, like men, 
undergo the  fatigues of supporting it.”
 
North Idaho 21st Batallion of Light Foot

 Hanno il più grande aumento percentuale di spesa militare del mondo.
 
che non cambia la realtà di un paese di 300 milioni di abitanti che ha
le stesse spese militari di tutto il resto del pianeta messo assieme.
Se la Cina non è pacifista, in proporzione gli USA sono la Germania
nazista del 31 agosto del '39.

 Se la Cina non è pacifista
 
un militare cinese guadagna 1/20 di uno USA.
 
Ed usa, in media, tecnologia degli anni '50.
 
Il motivo per cui la Cina spende meno degli USA, e` che non puo` permettersi di spendere di piu`.
 

 che 
 
Cerca di non sparare cazzate per un'ora o due. 
 
-- 
“Those who expect to reap the blessings of  freedom, must, like men,
undergo the  fatigues of supporting it.”  - North Idaho 21st Batallion of
Light Foot

sempre sul confronto militare?
 
perché la Cina sta maturando una chiara politica imperialistica 
 

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Non c'è imperialismo nel costruire una ferrovia, una strada, una diga, 
in cambio di materie prime.
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 Il motivo per cui la Cina spende meno degli USA
 
quindi confermi che (a prescindere che il motivo sia che non vogliano
o che non possano) oggi i cinesi non sono un pericolo per nessuno.
ALla prossima incaprettata.

cambio di materie prime.
 
quando lo scambio è equo, i dipendenti sono trattati con umanità e quando 
non si corrompe quotidianamente la tua controparte commericiale tentando di 
manipolarne anche la politica 
 

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che abbia tecnologia avanzata.
 
per questo il Vietnam si allea con gli USA.

 che abbia tecnologia avanzata.
 
Se volete... sull'argomento c'è questo sito piuttosto carino...
 
http://www.sinodefence.com
 
 

On 1 Mag, 07:52, 
shylock1...@hotmail.it
 wrote:
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quella si può sempre rubare...
http://attualissimo.it/spie-cinesi-rubano-il-segreto-dellaereo-invisibile-agli-stati-uniti/
 

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una ragione in piu` per installare uno scudo missilistico ad Hanoi :)

 quella si può sempre rubare...
http://attualissimo.it/spie-cinesi-rubano-il-segreto-dellaereo-invisi.
..
 
Non è così semplice. Anyway uno dei problemi dei cinesi è che la loro
industria degli armamenti è rimasta molto meno liberalizzata e molto
più statalizzata di quanto sia avvenuto per quella civile, Ergo è
anche molto meno efficiente e innovativa, anche con piani rubati...
 
BTW quella indiana è messa anche peggio: basti pensare al diverso
esito tra il progetto LCA indiano e il J-10 cinese. .

 una ragione in piu` per installare uno scudo missilistico ad Hanoi :)
 
i compagni del PCC ruberanno anche quello :D

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Vietnam vincera` (cit.)

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:6364303.2429.1335925229214.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbay5...
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China go home... :-)