Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Falluja: Guernica irachena

http://www.megachip.info/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=380

ora non hanno ritrovato neppure 50000 corpi in fosse comuni...
Fino ad ora ne hanno trovate 5000, e credo che anche questa fossa
comune si "sgonfiera'" come le altre a due settimane dalle prime
pagine.
Non fraintendiamo, Saddam e' un grande bastardo (non peggiore,
comunque, dei suoi successori.   Fallujah non ha nulla da "invidiare" a
cio' che fece in Kurdistan), ma i due milioni di morti contano sia la
guerra con l'Iran che l'embargo.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1263901,00.html
graves claim 'untrue'
Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday July 18, 2004
The Observer (UK)
Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by
Tony
Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is
untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
The claims by Blair in November and December of last year, were given
widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in
the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq's mass graves.
In that publication - Iraq's Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves produced by
USAID, the US government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from
20 November last year: 'We've already discovered, just so far, the
remains of 400,000 people in mass graves.'
On 14 December Blair repeated the claim in a statement issued by
Downing
Street in response to the arrest of Saddam Hussein and posted on the
Labour party website that: 'The remains of 400,000 human beings [have]
already [been] found in mass graves.'
The admission that the figure has been hugely inflated follows a week
in
which Blair accepted responsibility for charges in the Butler report
over the way in which Downing Street pushed intelligence reports 'to
the
outer limits' in the case for the threat posed by Iraq.
Downing Street's admission comes amid growing questions over precisely
how many perished under Saddam's three decades of terror, and the
location of the bodies of the dead.
The Baathist regime was responsible for massive human rights abuses and
murder on a large scale - not least in well-documented campaigns
including the gassing of Halabja, the al-Anfal campaign against Kurdish
villages and the brutal repression of the Shia uprising - but serious
questions are now emerging about the scale of Saddam Hussein's murders.
It comes amid inflation from an estimate by Human Rights Watch in May
2003 of 290,000 'missing' to the latest claims by the Iraqi Prime
Minister, Iyad Allawi, that one million are missing.
At the heart of the questions are the numbers so far identified in
Iraq's graves. Of 270 suspected grave sites identified in the last
year,
55 have now been examined, revealing, according to the best estimates
that The Observer has been able to obtain, around 5,000 bodies.
Forensic
examination of grave sites has been hampered by lack of security in
Iraq, amid widespread complaints by human rights organisations that
until recently the graves have not been secured and protected.
While some sites have contained hundreds of bodies - including a series
around the town of Hilla and another near the Saudi border - others
have
contained no more than a dozen.
And while few have any doubts that Saddam's regime was responsible for
serious crimes against humanity, the exact scale of those crimes has
become increasingly politicised in both Washington and London as it has
become clearer that the case against Iraq for retention of weapons of
mass destruction has faded.
The USAID website, which quotes Blair's 400,000 assertion, states: 'If
these numbers prove accurate, they represent a crime against humanity
surpassed only by the Rwandan genocide of 1994, Pol Pot's Cambodian
killing fields in the 1970s, and the Nazi Holocaust of World War II.'
It is an issue that Human Rights Watch was acutely aware of when it
compiled its own pre-invasion research - admitting that it had to
reduce
estimates for the al-Anfal campaign produced by Kurds by over a third,
as they believed the numbers they had been given were inflated.
Hania Mufti, one of the researchers that produced that estimate, said:
'Our estimates were based on estimates. The eventual figure was based
in
part on circumstantial information gathered over the years.'
A further difficulty, according to Inforce, a group of British forensic
experts in mass grave sites based at Bournemouth University who visited
Iraq last year, was in the constant over-estimation of site sizes by
Iraqis they met. 'Witnesses were often likely to have unrealistic ideas
of the numbers of people in grave areas that they knew about,' said
Jonathan Forrest.
'Local people would tell us of 10,000s of people buried at single grave
sites and when we would get there they would be in multiple hundreds.'
A Downing Street spokesman said: 'While experts may disagree on the
exact figures, human rights groups, governments and politicians across
the world have no doubt that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his
own people and their remains are buried in sites throughout Iraq.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1263901,00.html

Questo e' un'articolo Israeliano, ma la portata secondo me e' generale.
Quanti polizie, nel mondo, si comportano allo stesso modo?
Tipo la nostra a Genova?
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=570288&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0
MK among 10 hurt at anti-fence protest
By Arnon Regular
MK Mohammed Barakeh (Hadash) was among 10 left-wing activists and a
press
photographer who were lightly injured yesterday when security forces
dispersed
a  demonstration against the separation fence close to the West Bank
village on
Bil'in.
...
During the clashes, undercover security forces mingled with the
demonstrators and began to throw stones at the soldiers and police,
demonstrators said. The
undercover security forces had provoked the police and soldiers into
opening fire with rubber bullets and tear gas. The demonstrators said
they had not thrown stones at the soldiers and police.
...
Military sources charged that Barakeh and the commander of the forces
at the scene had not exchanged words; the sources added that the
undercover forces had only started throwing stones after Palestinian
youths had adopted such tactics. "Stone-throwing by the undercover
forces is part of the way in which they operate in such instances," the
sources said.
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Cioe... Israele aveva agenti segreti sul posto che, pero loro stessa
ammissione, hanno PROVOCATO LA POLIZIA LANCIANDO PIETRE, ma "solo dopo
che lo hanno fatto i Palestinesi".
GT

ammissione, hanno PROVOCATO LA POLIZIA LANCIANDO PIETRE,
Puttanata :)
Per ammissione di una fantomatica "source" hanno semplicemente seguito
il comportamento di altri presenti in modo da non farsi notare. :)
-Stefano

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050503/od_afp/afpentertainmentus_050503114201&printer=1
Jennifer Lopez wants to be first female US president
Tue May 3, 7:42 AM ET
After conquering Hollywood and the pop charts, Latina superstar
Jennifer Lopez says she is ready to wrestle George W. Bush out of the
White House.
"I'm a total powerhouse. If you ask me, I'd like to become the first
female president -- that would be really cool," J.Lo told German
celebrity glossy Bravo in an issue to be published Wednesday.
"The first thing I would do is redecorate the White House -- it doesn't
look very cozy."
"La Lopez", 35, said the best break from her growing entertainment
empire is housekeeping.
"Believe it or not -- I clean my house! All the stress disappears when
I'm straightening up," she said, in comments published in German.
Lopez said she was sure after two divorces and her "Bennifer"
engagement debacle with actor Ben Affleck that her marriage with singer
Marc Anthony would last.
"I have a very good feeling and am sure that we will never part," he
said.
"I think he would father beautiful children."