Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: "The problem is that Putin’s Russia today is ready and willing to go to war. Europe and the West are not ready and not willing to go to war."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lithuanias-president-russia-is-terrorizing-its-neighbors-and-using-terrorist-methods/2014/09/24/eb32b9fc-4410-11e4-b47c-f5889e061e5f_story.html
 
 
Lithuania’s president: ‘Russia is terrorizing its neighbors and using 
terrorist methods’
 
By Lally Weymouth September 24 at 10:14 PM
NEW YORK
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s aggression in Ukraine has raised 
fears that the Baltic states — all three of which are NATO members — 
could be next. Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite warned of the 
danger when she spoke this week with The Post’s Lally Weymouth. Excerpts:
 
Q. Do you approve of President Obama’s bombing of Syria?
 
A. Yes, [he showed] some leadership. Lack of leadership today in the 
world — in Europe and the United States — is one reason these terrorists 
are growing so fast.
 
Do you feel the lack of leadership in your part of the world?
 
Yes. Lack of leadership has allowed terrorist groups such as ISIS [the 
Islamic State] to grow, and on the question of Ukraine, it has allowed 
Russia to become a state with terrorist elements.
 
How do you see the situation in Ukraine?
 
The situation is still deteriorating. Russian troops are still on the 
territory of Ukraine. That means that Europe and the world are allowing 
Russia to be a country which is not only threatening its neighbors but 
is also organizing a war against its neighbors. It is the same 
international terrorism as we have in Iraq and Syria.
 
In Ukraine, it is a real war. The European Union and most of the leaders 
in the world are trying to talk about it as if it is not war but some 
kind of support of terrorist elements. We saw Crimea. In the very 
beginning, it was green men, and it became Russian military. Now it is 
the same in eastern Ukraine. And I’m sure that it is not the last 
territory where Putin is going to demonstrate his powers.
 
Where do you think he is going now?
 
If we will be too soft with our sanctions or adapt sanctions but not 
implement them, I think he will go further trying to unite east Ukraine 
with south Ukraine and Crimea. He recently said that in two days he is 
capable to reach Warsaw, the Baltic states and Bucharest. So that is an 
open threat to his neighbors.
 
Might he go to Transnistria?
 
If we will allow him to go, he will go anywhere. The problem is that 
Putin’s Russia today is ready and willing to go to war. Europe and the 
West are not ready and not willing to go to war. There is no leadership 
in Europe or in the world able to stop Putin. Afterwards, we will be 
surprised that new territories are taken, that new countries are 
partitioned, and it will be a lot more costly and too late maybe to 
solve it.
 
Are you worried he will next attack the Baltics?
 
If he will not be stopped in Ukraine, he will go further.
 
So Article 5 and NATO are not enough?
 
No. Everybody declares that NATO’s Article 5 will take place. But it 
will not stop Putin from his plans if he does not see real actions from 
the European and world leaders. They are only talking. We need to stop 
him in Ukraine. And until now, that is not understood. That is why I am 
saying that in Europe today, leadership is taken by Putin, not by the West.
 
Is Putin’s aim to split Europe?
 
The danger of Russia’s behavior today is not smaller than what we have 
with ISIS [the Islamic State] in Iraq and Syria.
 
So you think both ISIS and Russia are terrorists?
 
Yes. I think that Russia is terrorizing its neighbors and using 
terrorist methods.
 
But the world is more concerned with ISIS.
 
Of course. It is the primary goal. Unfortunately, this is a perfect 
position for Putin to do what he wants. In reality, these so-called 
peace negotiations in Minsk were done under the ultimatum of Putin. 
Western countries and the European Union gave into his conditions, 
meaning practically the partitioning of Ukraine.
 
The U.S. sent Ukraine MREs [meals ready to eat] and they were delivered 
in German trucks so as not to offend Putin.
 
Why are we so busy trying not to offend Putin, who is today sending his 
troops to kill and occupy Ukrainian territory? Why are we not sensitive 
about what Ukrainians are feeling? Sooner or later we will call him a 
terrorist and a criminal . . .
 
Does the situation remind you of the Sudetenland?
 
The situation before the Second World War? Yes, of course. We with open 
eyes are allowing the partition of Ukraine.
 
Do you feel you have enough protection after the Wales summit?
 
After Wales, NATO is revived, not sleeping any more. We have something 
to improve our security. We need to invest more. But how much time do we 
have?
 
So the sanctions are not hurting Putin?
 
They are not sufficient. But if he will go further, maybe countries will 
apply more serious sanctions.
 
The head of Ukrainian intelligence told a U.S. official that they had to 
agree to the cease-fire.
 
Yes. The Europeans and other countries asked [Ukrainian President Petro] 
Poroshenko to agree to conditions that were unacceptable because [they 
amounted to a partition] of Ukrainian territory.
 
So Russia got Crimea and now eastern Ukraine?
 
With the applause of European and other leaders in the world because 
they didn’t help Ukraine at all.
 
You worry about your own country.
 
All neighboring countries to Russia are under threat now. He is 
threatening them and joking that they are not real states.
 
Will the result be a war?
 
We can avoid a war. If both sides are ready to go to war, there will 
never be a war. If Russia is willing to go to war and the West avoids 
it, Russia will go as far as it will. . . .
 
The U.S. appears to be more interested in making a nuclear deal with Iran.
 
That is a problem. If we see that for some reason we are selling out 
independent countries, what moral values are we fighting for?
 
You think that is true?
 
When I see how the process is going, it is very much possible. The 
conditions of the cease-fire were done on Russia’s proposal. The West is 
not militarily supporting Ukraine. Russia is allowed to do whatever it 
wants on Ukraine’s territory. It is a shame on all the Western leaders 
to allow an aggressor to do what he wants with a sovereign country in 
the 21st century.
 
I am happy Obama finally showed leadership on Iraq and Syria. I hope 
this will allow him to show leadership on Ukraine. Leadership comes with 
learning. You are not born a leader but you can become a leader.
 
That leaves Lithuania in a difficult position.
 
We were occupied for 50 years, and we know how to deal with this 
neighbor. What is surprising is that countries far away that have never 
been touched by aggressive Russian policy are afraid of dealing with Russia.
 
Only countries with a border, Baltic states and Poland, are vocal. It is 
our one tool to fight Russia: to be vocal and courageous and to shame 
leaders of the West for not taking the responsibility for protecting 
freedom, sovereignty and democracy in Europe.
-- 
Namib
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There's a blaze of light in every word (Leonard Cohen)

 Lithuania's president: 
 
Parecchi pensano e dicono che i paesi baltici sono sotto diretta amministrazione americana.
 
In particolare i leaders sono diretta emanazione CIA.
 
Come Poroschemo, quello che racconta balle incredibili ogni giorno.
 
Quindi no comment, forse la BBC e' piu' attendibile.
 
Ex compagno scavi enormi crateri nell'acqua.

 Parecchi pensano e dicono che i paesi baltici sono sotto diretta amministrazione americana.
 
Ah, beh, se lo dicono "parecchi" :)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalia_Grybauskait%C4%97
 
 
 From 1983 to December 1989, she was a member of the Communist Party of 
the Soviet Union and after the Communist Party of Lithuania broke away 
from the CPSU in December 1989, she was member of the CPL until June 1990.
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  From 1983 to December 1989, she was a member of the Communist Party 
 
come la Merkel. E quindi?

 come la Merkel. E quindi?
 
E quindi, come la Merkel, non ï¿œ una fascista. So che sei affezionato al 
pittoresco populazzo bruno (che ti garantisce, ma solo in interiore 
corde, action and thrilling), ma mi space deluderti: ms. Grybauskaite 
oggi non ï¿œ certo una bolscevica, ma non ï¿œ nemmeno nera come la tua 
complice Le Pen. E' solo parte di quella larga maggioranza del pianeta 
che vede la faccenda ucraina per quel che ï¿œ: un'aggressione imperialista 
old-style a spese di uno Stato ex-vassallo (e stufo marcio), con 
relativa annessione di territorio, non il cabaret vintage della lotta 
contro il "fascismo del depredato". Guidata da ceffi come Strelkov, 
poi... Ma l'hai letta, la sua teoria sull'mh17? :)
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 oggi non ï¿oe certo una bolscevica, ma non ï¿oe nemmeno nera 
 
no....una che continua a ripetere la balla strasputtanata di Putin che in due giorni arriva a Varsavia non sta ripercorrendo 80 anni di propaganda nazifascista prima, e americana poi, antirussa, NOOOO!

 
 
Scoperte dell'acqua calda.
 
Il PCUS era un deposito di paraculi, quasi tutti i leader Ukraini ed anche qualche pravi sector erano imboscati e zelanti membri del PCUS.
 
 
Poi come Napolitano cambiano e diventano imboscati e zelanti liberali.

 risposta sbagliata: come la Merkel, in un regime a prtito unico doveva essere iscritta
 
Non doveva essere una funzionaria, perï¿œ. O ritieni che i regimi a 
partito unico inducano al fascismo? :)
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