Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Soldati Ebrei Israeliani su.. (1/3) Coloni/settlers

Dal sito 
http://www.seruv.org.il/defaulteng.asp
ho letto le testimonianze dei Soldati Ebrei Israeliani
che si rifiutano giustamente di combattere al di fuori dei confini del
1967.
Non aggiungo commenti o traduzioni a questi che sono contributi
davvero
significativi e che meritano lo sfrzo di leggerli
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I contributi li ho presi a "cut & paste" ad uso "trailer" cosi se non
si
ha tempo si puo' prendere quello che si ritiene piu' di interesse,
ho diviso i contributi, anche dello stesso autore, in tre categorie
* NOTA:  i paragrafi NON sono necessariamente contigui nel testo
originale
i)   Coloni/settlers (1/3)
ii)  Abusi dell'IDF sui civili palestinesi  (2/3)
iii) Umane tragedie (3/3)
Questo e' i)   Coloni/settlers (1/3)
Bye
* Nota: mi spiace ma tutto il materiale e in Inglese e non e'
tradotto.
http://www.seruv.org.il/signers/GilNemesh.asp
I believe that peace is possible, but Israel is on the wrong tracks,
occupying the territories.
Yes, this is a political opinion. But I signed the petition because of
ethical opinion.
I could not lie to myself. We should not be there, we have nothing to
do there.
Those terrible things happening in the territories have little to do
with the security
of Israel and stopping terror. It is  all about the settlements.
Choking and starving and humiliating millions of people, to provide
safety to the settlements.
 
I should be there, force ethics to my fellow soldiers? 
It does not work like this. In this nightmare reality in the
territories, reason cannot be heard. The
voices of hatred and senselessness are to loud to be overcome by a
still sane minority.
Our soldiers are numb, they do not see any false in their acts. 
In this brutal occupation, a solider can brag about shooting a child,
can stop ambulances and
still believe in his righteousness, can kill without feeling.
But, as things are today, we are surely, and not quite slowly, going
downhill, dipper,
into an abyss we will not be able to get out from. More destruction,
more bitterness,
more death. Less understanding, bigger gaps to bridge. There must be a
change.
http://www.seruv.org.il/signers/AsafOroneng.asp
The truth is that I understand why everyone is mad at us. 
We spoiled the neat little order of things. The holy Status Quo states
that the Right holds
the exclusive rights to celebrate the blood and ask for more. 
The role of the Left, on the other hand, is to wail while sitting in
their armchairs
sipping wine and waiting for the Messiah to come and with a single
wave of his magic wand make the Right disappear along with the
settlers, the Arabs, the weather, and the entire Middle East.
That'show the world is supposed to work. So why are you causing such a
disturbance?
 What's your problem? Bad boys! 
 Woe to you, dear establishment left! You haven't been paying
attention! That Messiah has
 been here already. He waved his magic wand, saw things aren't that
simple, was abandoned
 in the midst of battle, lost altitude, and finally was assassinated,
with the rest of us
(yes, me too) watching from the comfort of our armchairs. Forget it. A
messiah doesn't come
around twice! There is no  such thing as a free lunch. 
http://www.seruv.org.il/Signers/34_1_Eng.htm
The parasite-host relationship that has developed between one sector
and the rest of
the country has grown out  of control beyond every conceivable limit.
In the Knesset,
there sit people who are willing, without even the blink of an eye, to
send you to work harder
in order to bring money to their constituents. At the same time they
make certain that their
constituents will not be required to bear the same burden as you.
Meanwhile, you are
risking your life and may possibly die for a piece of land that seems
to them important enough for you to  pay that price. All of this is
being permitted by people, whom you have sent to the
Knesset to represent you. 
The bare truth is that 200,000 citizens are holding the other 9
million hostage in a violent
blood bath that has continued for 35 years. And this vicious cycle of
blood and violence takes
 precedence over every other problem. It allows for all the evil and
corruption that I mentioned.
 It is time to lay the cards on the table: the country would not look
like it does today if there were no settlements. People, wake up! This
is now!
Now it is happening! Just a few kilometers from where you are sitting
now there is a war
taking place, a brutal, awful, idiotic, derisive, unjust, voluntary
war.
We are fighting a war that we cannot win, that we were never 
justified in, and most of us never wanted, for territories that we
will eventually need to leave. In any case, Jews
will never be able to live in these territories in peace. We are
sacrificing our sons, brothers
and fathers. We are  ignoring every other problem we have in the
country: the handicapped, poor, elderly, the roads - everything
becomes an afterthought to Kfar Darom, Netzarim, Beit-El and
the detached, crazy settlement at the heart of  Hebron. 
http://www.seruv.org.il/Signers/ItaiHavivEng.asp
We have built over 100 settlements. We have settled 200,000 people in
them. We have lost
warriors, children, mothers. All for the state's security. For peace.
To stop the next
suicide bomber. For 35 years a black flag was proudly hanging over our
heads,
but we have refused to see it. 
http://www.seruv.org.il/signers/AviBlumEng.asp
We descended from our camp overlooking the town, and crossed this town
full of horrors. It was
early evening and we honked wildly to scare all vehicles off our way.
At Jebel Shimali
neighborhood on the slopes of Mount Eival, we were greeted with
showers of stones and bottles.
The large military escort entered the hospital compound with the
doctor after a short negotiation. I, wearing a helmet and holding a
gun, think about other sick visits at other times and places.
 It is the most absolute contradiction – a hospital, the humane
antithesis to our guns, helmets
 and  flak jackets (worn in case some patient attacks us). The
miserable supper served to the
 patientsafterwards, the Palestinian doctor wearing a nozzle, the
wounded man found and
interrogated in his bloody bed – only so that we could learn that he
was shot by settlers passin through the town,the amazing green eyes of
a nurse with flowing black hair, who looked at us
with burning hate. I feel an awesome nausea. Unable to hold it back, I
throw up and cry outside
the hospital walls.
http://www.seruv.org.il/signers/tamirsorekeng.asp
Over time it has become clear that the distinction between the two
forms of rule is not
 necessarily territorial. A significant number of residents from the
territory under the authority of an elected parliament moved into the
areas under military rule—the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
 And miracle of miracles, those residents continued to preserve their
right to elect and be
elected as well as  other rights—for example freedom of expression and
freedom to organize
which were kept from  the older residents. This is how two groups came
to be in the areas under military rule—Jews, who enjoyed full civil
rights, and in contrast, Palestinian Arabs (upon whose
 confiscated land the new  residents settled), who were denied all
civil rights, including the right
 to immigrate to the civil part of the state. At the schools of those
with rights they continued
to teach that discrimination on the basis  of racial, ethnic, national
or religious background is a
horrible thing against which human beings  must struggle. In that
context many hours were
devoted to studying the racism that was aimed at  the Jews in Europe,
yet no classes were
 devoted to discuss the condition of the non-citizens of the  state,
residents of the West
Bank and Gaza Strip.

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Haartez di oggi pubblica la testimonianza di uno di questi
dopo che ha passato il suo periodo di prigione, la cosa interessante
e' che:
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=210402&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=210402
[..]
n the last analysis, my bitterness was always there. I never thought I
deserved a 28-day prison term. True, I know that the military has to
be
based on absolute obedience, and I am willing to concede that if I had
been
my commanding officer I would have thrown me into jail, too. But what
did I
do, for heaven's sake? All I did was decline to agree to cooperate
with the
brutal Israeli occupation in the territories. Even though I tried very
hard not
to view my entry into prison as a personal affront, it is impossible
to
overcome the sense of betrayal by the system that being sent to prison
arouses.
In my compulsory service I was in a combat unit, the Airborne Nahal
Brigade, and in the reserves I was in a reconnaissance unit of an
armored
brigade. I never asked for an exemption, never asked for deferral of
reserve
duty because of university studies, and I never showed up on the
commanding officer's reception day to tell about my troubles at home,
at
work or in studies in order to ask for a release from duty. I was
always a
good boy and did everything I was told, but now, when my conscience
won't
let me be an accomplice to the crimes the Israel Defense Forces are
perpetrating in the territories, it is as though my whole personal
record - 11
years of blood, sweat and tears and risks that were all too concrete -
did
not exist. Now I am the public enemy. Quite a few of the officers and
soldiers in my unit didn't even look at me on call-up day, when I
declared I
would refuse to serve in the occupied territories. And with the
exception of
one friend, no one from the unit was in touch with me during my entire
time
in prison. For two weeks I told myself that it didn't matter, but the
flu
apparently brings out your feelings along with perspiration, and I
admit to
myself: Yes, it is an affront. Yes, I am a poor wretch. Yes, they are
sons of
 bitches. Fuck off, IDF.  
[..]
questo ha alle spalle 11 anni di servizio sia attivo che in riserva,
ecco dove ha poi deciso di rifiutarsi:
[..]
The event that finally made it possible for me to be true to
myself and not to my buddies in the unit, and to leave the warm
embrace of
the consensus, was the massive demolition of Palestinian homes in
Rafah
last winter. A week after that action the "letter of the officers and
fighters" -
 the signatories asserting that they would no longer serve in the
territories -
was published and I appended my name. 
[..]
[..]
It's very easy to spot the refuseniks in prison: they are almost
always
holding a book.
[..]
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Bye

Yes, they are sons of  bitches. Fuck off, IDF.
Attaccatti al ca**o ora! :)
-Stefano

 Attaccatti al ca**o ora! :)
heeeheeeheee....rosichi eh?
--
V-Twin
"Nel vino la verità, nella birra la forza, nell'acqua i bacilli"

 heeeheeeheee....rosichi eh?
Rosico io? :)  Mi sembra che sia lui a rosicare per cui li manda a fan
culo :)
-Stefano