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Titolo: Il padre del Marine Lance Cpl. Louis Wayne Qualls

War Backers Set Up Camp Near Bush Ranch
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
CRAWFORD, Texas - A patriotic camp with a "God Bless Our President!" 
banner sprung up downtown Saturday, countering the anti-war 
demonstration started by a fallen soldier's mother two weeks ago near
President Bush's ranch.
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The camp is named "Fort Qualls," in memory of Marine Lance Cpl. Louis 
Wayne Qualls, 20, who died in
Iraq last fall.
"If I have to sacrifice my whole family for the sake of our country and 
world, other countries that want freedom, I'll do that," said the 
soldier's father, Gary Qualls, a friend of the local business owner who 
started the pro-Bush camp. He said his 16-year-old son now wants to 
enlist, and he supports that decision.
Qualls' frustration with the anti-war demonstrators erupted last week 
when he removed a cross bearing his son's name that was among hundreds 
the group had put up along the road to Bush's ranch.
Qualls called the protesters' views disrespectful to soldiers, and said 
he had to yank out two more crosses after protesters kept replacing them.
Cindy Sheehan, whose 24-year-old son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, died last 
year in Iraq, started the anti-war demonstration along the roadside on 
Aug. 6. "Camp Casey" has since grown to about 100 core participants, and 
hundreds more from across the nation have visited.
Sheehan vowed to remain there until Bush agreed to meet with her or 
until his monthlong vacation ended, but she flew to Los Angeles last 
week after her 74-year-old mother had a stroke. Her mother has some 
paralysis but is in good spirits, and if she improves, Sheehan may 
return to Texas in a few days, some demonstrators said.
In her absence, the rest of the group will keep camping out for the 
unlikely chance to question the president about the war that has claimed 
the lives of about 1,850 U.S. soldiers.
Bush has said he sympathizes with Sheehan but won't change his schedule 
to meet with her. She and other families met with Bush about two months 
after Casey Sheehan died, before she became a vocal opponent of the war.
Large counter-protests were held in a ditch near Sheehan's site a week 
after she arrived, and since then, a few Bush supporters have stood in 
the sun holding signs for several hours each day.
Bill Johnson, a local gift shop owner who created "Fort Qualls," said he 
wanted to offer a larger, more convenient place for Bush supporters to 
gather.
He and others at "Fort Qualls" have asked for a debate with those at the 
Crawford Peace House, which is helping Sheehan.
It's unclear if that will happen. But a member of Gold Star Families for 
Peace, co-founded by Sheehan and comprised of relatives of fallen 
soldiers, said her group would not participate.
"We're asking for a meeting with the president, period," said Michelle 
DeFord, whose 37-year-old son, Sgt. David W. Johnson, was in the Army 
National Guard from Oregon when he was killed in Iraq last fall. "We 
don't want to debate with people who don't understand our point of view."

  "We don't want to debate with people who don't understand our point of view."
Indizio di sciagura per quella povera democrazia...
Am.

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Cosa sensata, in quanto che senso ha dibattere con qualcuno che non 
capisce il tuo punto di vista e rimane ancorato alla sua visione 
ideologica e non ha nessuna intenzione di dibattere?
Mirco

 Mirco
La legge della democrazia e' quella di parlare sempre con gli altri, 
IMNSHO. La madre del soldato morto infatti chiede di discutere. E 
indice di povera democrazia, quello che ci si immagini di poter evitare 
l'opposizione con fughe o ricatti, come e' avvenuto in USA (e in 
qualche paesino europeo).
Am.

Mirco Romanato wrote:
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che senso ha dibattere con un essere inferiore o con un traditore del popolo
che non ha nessuna intenzione di recedere ma solo di minare ulteriormente
la razza e il partito
FIRMATO HITLER E STALIN
Si capisce subito di che pasta sei fatto, pasta avariata.
-- 
You_fuck_with_the_bull-You_gonna_get_the_horns

 paesino europeo).
No, la madre del soldato chiede di sapere perché suo figlio è morto.
La domanda è retorica, quindi non è una domanda.
Il lavoro di suo figlio lo conosceva, il fatto che si era riarruolato 
sapendo che c'era una guerra anche.
Le motivazioni politiche della guerra sono conosciute da tutti.
Il fatto che sia morto ucciso dal nemico durante una missione anche.
O.K.
Che cosa vuole che le dica di più Bush, la signora?
Il tutto sta nell'insinuazione e nell'accusa che la guerra sia stata 
voluta per motivi differenti da quelli dichiarati.
Ma è una accusa senza sostanza e motivata solo dall'odio ideologico e 
partitico.
Per quel che riguarda la democrazia, dove sta scritto che le due parti 
devono discutere?
In democrazia non è necessario discutere per trovare un' accordo.
Quello è negoziare.
In democrazia si vota e una parte vince e l'altra perde; non c'è nulla 
da discutere.
La signora si ammanta della "superiorità morale" che la morte di un 
figlio le dà?
Ma la morte di un figlio non da nessuna superiorità morale a nessuno.
Perché?
Perché non è qualche cosa che ci si è guadagnati facendola, è una cosa 
che ti capita, come una gamba rotta o il mal di schiena o la scabbia.
L'autorità morale ti viene dal fare cose di tua spontanea volontà, come 
queste:
"Yon wrote this about Erik Kurilla's sense of duty and his courage just 
a few days ago:
     ...Bullets are snapping, and I'm crouched on a knee behind a 
Stryker. When I look back again, I see Kurilla standing out there, 
alone, next to the terrorist on the sidewalk. Bullets are kicking up 
dirt and Kurilla gives us a look: What the hell! You left the prisoner!
     For a moment, I nearly ran back out to drag the terrorist behind 
the Stryker, but then I thought, Nope, he's a terrorist! If Kurilla gets 
shot, I'm definitely going to get him. But the terrorist can get shot to 
pieces and I don't care.
     Instead of doing something useful--and I feel marginally guilty 
about this, but not too much--I start snapping photos as the Commander 
drags the guy by the collar to get him to the cover of the Stryker. I 
can't believe Kurilla is still alive after nearly a year of doing this...
There's tons more at 
http://www.michaelyon.blogspot.com
 and, while LTC 
Kurilla has been quoted in the mass media, you won't quite get the 
message about what a great Commander, Soldier and American that he is..."
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/08/deuce_four_comm.html
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Se leggi il resto dell'articolo saprai cosa è successo al LTC Kurilla 
qualche giorno dopo.
Mirco

 Si capisce subito di che pasta sei fatto, pasta avariata.
Che senso ha dibattere con chi non ascolta?
Mirco

 Mirco
Mah. Io c'ho provato. Vedi se qualcuno ti risponde, Lance.
Am.