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Titolo: Uso politico dei profughi

In the Shadow of the Holocaust
The Struggle Between Jews And Zionists In The Aftermath Of World War II
Libro disponibile a 
akpress.com/2004/items/intheshadowoftheholocaust
Intervista con l'autore (Professore di linguistica alla McGill
University, studente di Noam Chomsky)
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8021
 Now, when you read such expressions, you can't help but be reminded
of the objectionable phrase "human dust," used by General Patton in
reference to Holocaust survivors. It was such expressions that gained
him his notoriety as an anti-Semite, and ultimately led him to lose the
command of the US Army in Germany late summer 1945. Zionist envoys, you
see, were not anti-Semitic, of course; nor were they hateful. But as
the text shows, their attitude towards the survivors did not regard
their value as human beings who had just been through horrific
suffering, humiliation, exploitation, and loss; rather, those who could
help the Zionist endeavor in Palestine were became good material,
whereas others, who sought to rebuild their lives elsewhere, were
despised.
Spannos: How did Jews in the DP Camps feel about the creation of a
Jewish state? What kind of discrepancy was there between how they felt
and where they actually migrated over time?
Grodzinsky: The Zionist idea appealed to most Jewish survivors. Taking
part in the Zionist plan was a totally different matter. Much to the
chagrin of the Zionist organizers, the majority of the Jewish DPs were
more interested in immigrating to the United States than to Palestine.
America harbored promise, and thus Jewish survivors flocked to the
American Zone of Germany in the hundreds of thousands, hoping to obtain
a U.S. immigration visa. A demographic survey I conducted indicates
that while almost all Jewish DPs said they wished to go to Palestine,
only 40% actually moved to the Jewish state, with the rest dispersing
to all parts of the West. Of these, about 120,000 went to the United
States, once it opened its gates to DP immigration in late 1948.
Spannos: In your book you illustrate how, where there was a conflict
between Zionist interests and the interests of Jews in DP camps,
Zionist organizers, planners and activists put their interests before
the well- being of the Jewish refugees. Let's look at your first
illustration, the 1945 children's affair. What happened o Jewish
children in DP camps during 1945?
Grodzinsky: It is important to see the utilitarian logic behind the
Zionist stance: As the ultimate goal was to populate Palestine with
multitudes of Jews, they tried to target weak Jewish populations.
Strong communities were less interested in Palestine immigration: When
things are good, as they were in America (relatively speaking, of
course), why move to a war zone? Thus a decision was made to focus on
the Jewish DP camps, and envoys were dispatched to Germany, driven by
Ben-Gurion's vision to bring 250,000 survivors from Germany to
Palestine. If this is the goal, then a Jew heading west is not an
asset. This is why the Zionists objected to initiatives aimed at
evacuating Jewish child survivors from Germany right after the war.
This is a shocking affair. Several thousand sick, malnourished, and
vulnerable orphans, still at great risk, were forced by the Zionists to
stay in the camps, even though arrangements were made for them to
arrive to safety in England and France. The rest of this tragedy
constitutes chapter 4 of my book.
Spannos: Another illustration of Zionist self interest over Jewish
suffering post-holocaust is the 1948 compulsory draft of Jews, from DP
camps, into the Israeli Defense Force (IDF). How did Zionists
institutionalize forced conscription in the DP camps?
Grodzinsky: Indeed, the drive to bring Jewish DPs to Palestine reached
its peak in 1948, when the end of the British Mandate over Palestine,
and the subsequent declaration of statehood, led to a full-scale war.
Serious manpower shortages led the Israelis to look for volunteers for
the IDF in the DP camps. Survivors were reluctant: "We have already
smelled fire," said many "let others smell it now." The failure
to recruit volunteers led to a forced conscription, officially enacted
on April 11th, 1948. It brought 7,800 new draftees to Palestine, a
significant addition to the fighting army. I recognize that the thought
of a Zionist forced conscription in the U.S. controlled zone of Germany
sounds insane. Yet it actually happened, as massive documentation I
discovered in the Jewish DP archives in New York and Tel Aviv
indicates: The American military government quite generously let the
DPs run their camps as almost fully autonomous localities; Zionist
survivors, together with envoys from Palestine, organized and took
control of these camps early on, as I detail in the book. When the time
came, they could exercise this control, sending holocaust survivors to
fight in a land they had never seen, whose language they did not speak,
and most importantly, for a cause they did not necessarily support,.
Spannos: I understand that the Zionists at times even resorted to using
violent methods against Jews in DP camps for the purposes of
conscription. What did this look like?
Grodzinsky: Yes, violent methods were used when necessary. I was
shocked to find eviction orders issues to draft deserters, fines, other
punishments, and in some instances, even physical beating. Most
important, to my mind, is not the violence itself but the coercion, And
the irony: The very movement that was created to bring deliverance to
the Jews now took possession of Jewish national identity, and in its
name expropriated the rights of the people, so that its own needs could
be served. Thus, while the establishment of the state was predicated on
a conflict with the Arabs over territory, it also led to a conflict
with Jews over people. Much has been written on the former, less on the
latter. My book is an attempt to fill this gap by focusing a critical
lens on the actions of the pre-state Zionist movement. As I was writing
it, I tried to give a voice to simple, ordinary Jews, whose suffering
as they were ground by the mills of big ideas is rarely discussed. I
sought to emphasize the fate of regular individuals, whose life stories
form a rich web of alternative Jewish paths.

studente di Noam Chomsky)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 despised.
In altre parole, la sensazionale scoperta del professore di linguistica
allievo di Noam Chomsky è che i sionisti cercavano gente che immigrasse in
Palestina, e aiutavano chi intendeva farlo.
Non erano la croce rossa, i sionisti, no. Non erano "jewssansfrontiers", no:
erano inviati di uno stato in pectore - che voleva nascere e cercava
immigrati. Un ideale a cui i profughi aderivano in massa, ma che occorreva
realizzare. Un progetto, lo stato ebraico, che diede una nuova vita a
centinaia di migliaia di questi scampati, che non avevano altro luogo che li
accogliesse (e anzi, dovevano lottare contro il mandato inglese per
arrivarci). Uno stato per il quale hanno combattuto uno guerra. Uno stato
ebraico nel quale, in massima parte, sono rimasti liberamente a vivere tutta
la loro vita.
Chissà, mentre i sionisti "usavano politicamente i profughi", cioè li
liberavano dai campi di concentramento per portarli in una terra che sarebbe
stata la loro, dov'erano i padri politici di Noam Chomsky e di Finkelstein,
quei milioni di disinteressati e puri amici degli scampati. Quelli che non
avevano programma politico e non "usavano" i profughi.
Rubavano e noleggiavano carghi a tutto spiano, per introdurre clandestimante
gli scampati in uno dei mille stati, compresi gli USA, che avevano chiuso
loro le porte? E prima, avevano organizzato anche loro quel poco di reti di
salvataggio che i sionisti riuscirono a organizzare?
Mah.
Forse, Torrieri affonda nelle sue disgusting fogne negazioniste e compulsa i
suoi testi di "antisemitismo per imbecilli", l'allievo di Chomsky -che è un
po' meno coglione di lui- ce lo dirà nel prossimo libro.
Tb
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luca logi > >Non so. Immagina che qualcuno scriva giudeoquesturino,
luca logi > > ti riterresti lusingato?
sergio > sarebbe di sicuro espressione di antisemitismo per i vari
tonigoebbels.