Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Perché gli antisemiti e i negazionisti si trovano bene a sinistra

 
As the debate continues over the future (or likely not) of the Socialist Workers Party a comment was made over at the Socialist Unity website that not only garnered my attention but also reminded me of why we need to to expose and oppose political extremism wherever it rears it’s ugly head. This remark by “Chris” sums up the real attitudes of ideologues pursuing their aims:
 
I’d happily sacrifice a few individuals to build socialism.
 
This upset a couple of fellow posters, probably not because they don’t really disagree, but don’t like the fact “Chris” had the audacity to spell it out. One of the comrades followed up by pointing out that as far as (the SWP) went:
 
Actually, Chris, the striking aspect of the behaviour at the top is that, far from sacrificing individuals for socialism, they sacrifice individuals and socialism to their personal requirements, status, position and mates, paramours, etc, while claiming it’s for la causa.
 
Historically of course Marxist-Leninists/Communists, (whatever name they choose to go under) have had a habit of not just “sacrificing a few individuals” but in fact have caused untold millions of deaths and other suffering. The scale of Stalin’s planned starvation of the peasants in the thirties, the purges which followed and the existence of the Gulags until the fall of communism in the USSR are a matter of historical fact.
 
Such crimes were replicated under Chairman Mao and Pol Pot, but Communists are not alone of course the Nazi’s/Fascists committed the same crimes against humanity, whilst today such political sadism continues to exist in the form of Islamism.
 
It should come as no surprise that what’s left of the Marxist movements like the SWP, orientate their politics towards fellow ideologues within groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Jammat-e-islami, the Taliban or regimes like that of the clerical-fascist Iranians.  Unfortunately its’ not just the obvious culprits of the far-left sects. There’s George Galloway’s totally misnamed “Respect Party” and politicians such as Ken Livingstone and Andy Newman’s Socialist Unity blog who have a blind spot towards misoginist and anti-Semeitic preachers like Yusuf al-Qaradawi.
 
The comrades will tell you it’s all justified in the “struggle against Zionism” because so many of them think if Israel is wiped off the map world capitalism and imperialism will come tumbling down. Of course it won’t, but the sacrifice of a few million Jews in the process will justify the end in their dark evil mindsets.
 
The presence of anti-Semites and holocaust deniers on the “progressive left” is well documented. The former Chair of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign Frances Clarke-Lowes was expelled from the organisation for holocaust denial. In his appeal to the PSC Annual General Meeting he said:
 
The carefully nurtured and moulded ‘Holocaust’ narrative has done a good deal of that job since the Second World War. But more fundamental is the prohibition on all discussion of Jews which does not accord with their own collective view of themselves – that is of a uniquely talented and uniquely suffering people. Hence the extraordinary move to ban any questioning of the ‘Holocaust’ narrative at this AGM.
 
Of course there are Jews who challenge elements of Jewish ideology. But these exceptions don’t invalidate, in principle, generalisations about Jews. That would be like saying you mustn’t describe dogs as quadrupeds because some of that species have lost a leg.
 
Appalling stuff, yet 10% of the delegates voted against his expulsion.  Clarke-Lowes may have gone but so many of his supporters and co-thinkers remain inside the organisation which may not itself be anti-Semitic, but does contain many activists that clearly are. Yet so many trade unions including my own (PCS) remain affiliated. Indeed PCS policy is to positively encourage branches and members to involve themselves with this organisation which is ambivalent  (to say the least) about the two state solution
 
And just who runs PCS?  That would be the Marxists of the Socialist Party, the SWP and their fellow travellers. The exact people who would happily sacrifice individuals for their cause and do, though since neither has state power are limited in their ability to do so. The SWP’s treatment of women has been well documented and has seemingly appalled others on the left, but not so much that many are prepared to break with them.
 
Women’s groups and some Unison activists are taking measures against the undesirables of the SWP, but the left in PCS remains firmly in alliance and instead will be taking a debate on breaking their electoral arrangement with the somewhat innocuous PCS Democrats group in a motion moved by Harvey Crane at Left Unity conference in December. They will no doubt also have SWP members on their slate for the National Executive Committee next year.
 
The comrades obviously have no shame. Nor should we expect them to.
 
 

 Iï¿½d happily sacrifice a few individuals to build socialism.
 
a few indivuals.. un po' come i trotzkisti fatti fuori da gappisti 
durante la c.d. resistenza..
 
 
a few indivuals.. un po' come gli inglesi (che avevano regalato la 
dichiarazione Balfour) durante la c.d. guerra di indipendenza israeliana...
 
a few individuals.
 
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E naturalmente, tuo nonno non ha visto molti individuali ebrei quando visito' la Germania.... 


nei roaring thirties? improbabile..
 
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 As the debate
 
Quindi gli ebrei italiani voteranno preferibilmente (IYO) il pdl della 
Mussolini e di Ciarrapico piuttosto che il pd dell'hizbollahico D'Alema? 
In fondo, Benito è morto (a differenza di D'Alema), e Ciarrapico è mero 
folklore, no? O mi sbaglio? Come ebreo italiano, dunque, ti trovi meglio 
al fianco della Mussolini e di Borghezio che non di Renzi e Civati? 
Oddio, magari loro (Mussolini & Borghezio) non sono negazionisti e 
antisemiti (solo anti-musulmani, e ci può stare :), a ben vedere :)
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Namib
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Земля - колыбель человечества, но нельзя вечно жить в колыбели
(Константи́н Эдуа́рдович Циолко́вский)

Namib, ti do' un prezioso consiglio: prima di rispondere a un post e' una buona idea leggerlo. Il post qua sopra parla della estrema sinistra inglese, che ha con la sinistra inglese (equivalente del PD di Renzi) lo stesso rapporto che hanno i cetrioli con le mele.

 Namib, ti do' un prezioso consiglio: prima di rispondere a un post e' una buona idea leggerlo. Il post qua sopra parla della estrema sinistra inglese
 
Mentre il subject, con viltà degna di miglior causa, attribuisce alla 
"sinistra" (e non all'estrema sinistra; quale, poi? ce n'è una 
soltanto?) una contiguità con l'antisemitismo. A volte succede che nei 
quotidiani il titolista mistifichi il contenuto dell'art. Quando però 
titolista e articolista (o copincollatore dell'art.) sono la stessa 
persona, beh, verrebbe da dire che costui stia mentendo consapevole 
della sua sporca menzogna. O, visto che ci sono nazisti ebrei israeliani 
(purtroppo, ancorché omeopaticamente, è così), qualcuno potrebbe 
legittimamente titolare: "Perché i nazisti si trovano bene in Israele"?
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Namib, l'articolo e' chiaro, l'estrem sinistra di cui si parla e' il SWP e addentellati vari, dentro il quale negazionisti ed antisemiti ci si trovano bene, laddove i nazisti in Israele finiscono in galera. Quanto è' difficile leggere, vero?

 Namib, l'articolo e' chiaro,
 
Sei senza vergogna.
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 Sei 
 
ma, parlando del dibattito in corso nella estrema sinistra inglese, quale e' la quantita' di vite umane che sei disposto a sacrificare, per instaurare il socialismo? E quante vite ebraiche per ottenere uno Stato palestinese? L'articolo (che chissa' se hai letto) mostra che il passaggio non e' cosi' peregrino.
Mr Steeei Iumanne aveva una risposta a questa seconda domanda. Ma non per antisemitismo, no. 
 
 
 
 
 

 ma, parlando del dibattito in corso nella estrema sinistra inglese,
 
Ne parlerò quando ti scuserai (se possibile, umilmente) per l'immondo 
subject con il quale vendi fischi per fiaschi.
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 Ne parlerò 
 
tanto per cambiare, da solo. 

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Un'omelia vale l'altra.
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Come Lou Reed del resto, anche parecchi sansepolcristi appartenevano al 
Popolo Eletto...
 
 
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 Popolo Eletto...
 
Soprattutto tra i finanziatori.
Questo signore qui
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ettore_Ovazza
 
era lo zio di Alain Elkann, padre di John e Lapo. E ho detto tutto.

 era lo zio di Alain Elkann, padre di John e Lapo. E ho detto tutt
dimentichi i Bilderberg. E occhio a scriverlo bene, senno' febo ti bacchetta 

 dimentichi i Bilderberg. 
 
la famiglia quella è, non è un complotto...