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Titolo: Ritiro Italiano dall'Irak a settembre - Reuters

Abbiamo fatto la pace, ce ne  possiamo andare...
Am.
Wednesday March 16, 04:29 AM
Italy to start withdrawing troops from Iraq
 ROME (Reuters) - Italy says it will start withdrawing its soldiers from 
Iraq in September, in a fresh blow to U.S. President George W. Bush's 
shrinking coalition.
 Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, one of Bush's most vocal supporters, 
said he was in talks with British Prime Minister Tony Blair about a 
total exit strategy from Iraq, adding people in both countries wanted 
their troops to return home.
 "We will begin to reduce our contingent even before the end of the 
year, starting in September, in agreement with our allies," said 
Berlusconi, who faces an election next year and went against public 
opinion to deploy troops in Iraq.
 Asked on RAI state television on Tuesday when a total withdrawal would 
take place, Berlusconi said: "It will depend on the capacity of the 
Iraqi government to provide adequate security."
 Despite strong opposition at home, Berlusconi sent some 3,000 troops to 
Iraq -- the fourth largest foreign contingent after U.S., British and 
South Korean forces.
 But pressure has mounted on him to withdraw the troops since 
intelligence agent Nicola Calipari was killed earlier this month by U.S. 
soldiers shortly after rescuing an Italian hostage.
 The White House said Berlusconi's decision was not linked to Calipari's 
death, but the incident has strained Italy's relations with the United 
States and Bush has promised an investigation.
 "SERIOUS MISTAKE"
 "(Bush) knows that he can't let down a loyal ally," said Berlusconi, 
adding that the killing was a "serious mistake".
 "I've spoken at length about (a total exit strategy) personally with 
Tony Blair, saying that we should make a precise exit strategy because 
the public opinion of our countries expects this information," said 
Berlusconi.
 No immediate comment was available from Britain, which has the second 
largest number of troops in U.S.-led forces in Iraq.
 Berlusconi had stood by Bush as other U.S. allies announced plans to 
pull out of Iraq. Spain withdrew last year and more recently the 
Netherlands, Poland and Ukraine have said they propose bringing their 
forces home this year.
 Earlier on Tuesday, Bulgaria's president said his country should 
withdraw its 450 troops from Iraq by the end of this year after a 
Bulgarian soldier was accidentally killed by U.S. forces. A final 
decision is expected by the end of the month.
 In Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Berlusconi's 
decision was unrelated to Calipari's death.
 "I'm not sure I'd make a connection there," said McClellan, adding the 
United States applauded Italy's contribution in Iraq.
 "If you look at what (Berlusconi) said .... (the withdrawal) will be 
based on the ability and capability of Iraqi forces and the Iraqi 
government to be able to assume more responsibility," said McClellan.
 Just hours before Berlusconi announced his decision, an Italian solider 
died in Iraq during a target-shooting exercise. Twenty-one Italian 
soldiers have died in Iraq.
 Centre-left opposition parties have used Iraq as a rallying cry against 
Berlusconi.
 But government coalition parties overcame objections and voted in 
parliament

 Italy to start withdrawing troops from Iraq
Il berlusca sarà amico di bush, ma non si può permettere di affrontare
le elezioni con le truppe in Iraq
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Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy        e-mail: 
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 le elezioni con le truppe in Iraq
Esatto. Anche perché uno scenario tipo Madrid, sarebbe molto probabile.
E' il primo commento intelligente che leggo su questo fatto.

 le elezioni con le truppe in Iraq
o forse ha capito che la maggioranza degli italiani non e' d'accordo con
questa missione di guerra in cui facciamo da servi agli USA?
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 le elezioni con le truppe in Iraq
Quasi. IMHO non si puo' permettere di affrontare le regionali senza la
promessa di ritiro. Poi si vedra'.
Palmiro Pangloss
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E che fine faranno i pozzi dell'ENI vicino a Nassiria, vera ragione 
della presente del contingente italiano, secondo alcuni della Folgore?
Gia' firmato un contrattino col governo provvisorio, mh?
Fini: la presenza del contingente italiano ha permesso di votare in 
Irak...
Che eterogenesi dei fini!  Con Calipari come ultima vittima sacrificale, 
si spera...
Am.

 Gia' firmato un contrattino col governo provvisorio, mh?
Chi ha parlato di ritiro "totale" ??? 

 promessa di ritiro. Poi si vedra'.
promessa fatta mentre faceva approvare l'ennesimo decreto fotocopia che
prolungava la missione... 
Eh , la coerenza...
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 promessa di ritiro. Poi si vedra'.
Certo la notizia è già rimbalzata oltreoceano, come si può notare dal 
Washington Post... Come farà quindi a "smentirsi" successivamente alle 
elezioni? Sarà un po' difficile, non credi?
Ciao
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Italy Plans to Pull Troops Out of Iraq
Shiites, Kurds Negotiate on Eve of Assembly
By Daniel Williams and Caryle Murphy
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, March 16, 2005; Page A18
ROME, March 15 -- Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, one of the
United States' most ardent supporters on Iraq, said Tuesday he intended to
begin withdrawing his country's troops in September. That makes Italy the
latest country to announce that it will reduce or eliminate its military
contingent in the U.S.-led force.
In Baghdad, with the newly elected National Assembly set to meet for the
first time Wednesday, representatives from Shiite Muslim and Kurdish parties
continued talks on broad policy objectives for a new government, including
how to deal with the insurgency. Sources on both sides of the talks said an
agreement was close.
A final accord on policy goals would smooth the way for the formation of a
coalition government with Ibrahim Jafari, the interim vice president who
heads the Shiite Dawa party, serving as prime minister. Jalal Talabani, a
key Kurdish leader, would fill the ceremonial post of president. But
appointment of the government could be days or weeks away, Iraqis involved
in the talks said.
Italy, with about 3,000 soldiers in the country, is the fourth-largest
contributor of foreign military forces to Iraq, after the United States,
Britain and South Korea. Following the March 4 killing of an Italian
intelligence agent and the wounding of a freed hostage by U.S. troops near
the Baghdad airport, Berlusconi has come under new public pressure to follow
other countries that are pulling out.
On Monday, 160 Dutch soldiers arrived home as part of a phased withdrawal.
On Tuesday, Ukraine welcomed back more than 130 members of its 1,500-person
force and has said it will complete its pullout by October. Poland is
planning to remove a few hundred of its 1,700 soldiers this summer and the
rest by early 2006.
Berlusconi's political coalition faces regional elections in April and
legislative elections next year. He has indicated he will again head a
ticket as candidate for prime minister.
"We will begin to reduce our contingent even before the end of the year,
starting in September, in agreement with our allies," Berlusconi said during
a interview on state-run television Tuesday.
A withdrawal "will depend on the capability of the Iraqi government to be
able to assume responsibility for security," he said. But it was the first
time he had set a tentative timetable for a pullout. He said he had "spoken
about it" with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, but he made no mention of
notifying President Bush.
On Tuesday, White House press secretary Scott McClellan advised reporters
not to make a cause-and-effect link between Berlusconi's decision and the
Baghdad shooting incident. He played down the significance of a possible
Italian withdrawal, saying it would be keyed to the ability of Iraqi forces
to assume more responsibility and would be carried out in coordination with
allies.
Berlusconi made his comments shortly after Italy's parliament voted to
finance Italian troop operations in Iraq through June. In Iraq, an Italian
soldier died after accidentally shooting himself in the head during target
practice.
At its peak, the U.S.-led force totaled about 300,000, with 38 countries
contributing troops. The number of contributing nations has fallen to 24,
with overall foreign troop strength at about 170,000, about 150,000 of them
American. Spain, which had dispatched about 1,300 soldiers, was the first of
10 nations to withdraw from Iraq last year. In February, Portugal withdrew
its force of 127 and Moldova pulled its 12 soldiers.
The Italian decision came a day before Iraq's 275-seat assembly was to
convene for the first time in Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone. After
taking their oaths of office, the delegates will listen to at least six
speakers, including a U.N. representative. As provided in the interim
constitution, the first session will be chaired by the eldest delegate.
Shiites and Kurds then plan talks on dividing up cabinet posts in the new
government. Both sides have said they want to bring in other groups,
including Sunni Muslims and followers of the interim prime minister, Ayad
Allawi, a secular Shiite.
Allawi, who has campaigned to retain his job in the new government, has not
decided whether to stay on in another capacity. "It depends on the
negotiations," said his spokesman, Thaer Naqib.
The assembly's first order of business is to elect a speaker and two
deputies, and a Presidency Council, consisting of a president and two vice
presidents. But that task is unlikely to take place at the opening session,
party sources said.
The carefully worded document that the Kurds and Shiites have been drafting
is likely to be made public once it is signed, officials on both sides said.
It sets out the two sides' understandings of how the new government should
deal with a number of sensitive issues, including the insurgency, respect
for civil liberties, the conditions for requesting a withdrawal of U.S.
troops and the role of religion in governmental decision-making, the
officials said.
It also addresses issues of particular concern to the Kurds, such as the
role of their militias, the status of the oil-rich city of Kirkuk and the
creation of a federal system.
While the political maneuvering continued Tuesday, so did the violence. A
suicide bomber detonated an explosives-laden car near a compound of
hospitals in northeast Baghdad, killing one child and wounding at least four
people, the Associated Press reported. A car bomb targeting a U.S. military
convoy exploded near the main road leading to Baghdad's international
airport. Four civilians died and seven were wounded, including two police
officers.
In Baghdad, a U.S. soldier was killed and six others were wounded when a
bomb detonated during a patrol, U.S. military officials said. Several Iraqis
and an Iraqi policeman were also wounded. In Anbar province west of the
capital, a U.S. Marine with the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force died Monday,
the military said.
Murphy reported from Baghdad. 

elezioni? Sarà un po' difficile, non credi?
Smentire .... cosa?  Ma tu lo sai cosa ha detto?  Mi pare proprio di no.
-Stefano

 elezioni? Sarà un po' difficile, non credi?
Dal sito dell'ANSA:
ROMA - Silvio Berlusconi ''bacchetta'' i cronisti per aver ''costruito 
castelli in aria'' sulle sue parole di ieri da Vespa a proposito del 
ritiro dall'Iraq. E fa presente che nessuna data sul rientro delle 
nostre truppe ''e' stata mai fissata''. ''Era un auspicio: il ritiro 
dev'essere concordato con gli alleati'', ha detto il premier che, 
avvicinato dai cronisti a Palazzo Grazioli, per corroborare la propria 
tesi ha anche letto la trascrizione delle sue parole a 'Porta a Porta' 
di ieri sera.
http://www.ansa.it/main/notizie/fdg/200503162005191321/200503162005191321.html
Giravolta!
Ammetto di essermi sbagliato sui tempi
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Devo dire che se fossi un corrispondente politico avrei difficolta' a 
spiegare agli anglosassoni questa ricorrenza Italiana all'ossimoro.
Tra la sinistra che non vuole un completo ritiro, e la destra che lo 
promette, ma non lo mantiene, che cosa si dovrebbe capire oltr'alpe?
Ma soprattuto come si potrebbe esprimere in tema l'elettore italiano?
Bah!
Am.