Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Parola di reverendo - part 1

L'ho sempre detto che le prediche ferventi, fanno grossi danni.
-Reverend Jeremy Wright sostenitore di Obama, al ritmo di Gospel, urla dal 
podio"Dio maledica l'America" e Obama, per ovvie ragioni se ne distacca.
Il reverendo non ha mica tutti i torti; ma in procinto di elezioni 
e`controproducente gridarlo.
Giano
http://tinyurl.com/yp9z5t
Obama's Spiritual Guide: 'God Damn America'
By Mark Finkelstein | March 13, 2008 - 10:40 ET
At the end of a Good Morning America segment today about Barack Obama's 
pastor, the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., an Obama campaign 
representative complained that John McCain's pastor had not been similarly 
"vetted." If that's true, then ABC or some other media outlet surely should 
and will do so.
Let's imagine that upon vetting, McCain's pastor is found to have made 
statements that were the mirror-image of those that Rev. Wright has made. 
How long would McCain remain a viable candidate? Judge for yourself, based 
on Rev. Wright's statements as exposed in the GMA segment that was the 
result of work by ABC's chief investigative correspondent Brian Ross. GMA 
aired a number of clips from sermons Rev. Wright gave at his Trinity United 
Church of Christ.
JEREMIAH WRIGHT: "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger 
prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God Bless 
America? No, no, no! Not God bless America. God damn America! It's in the 
Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating its 
citizens as less than human!"
Cut to clip of Obama saying "I don't think my church is particularly 
controversial." Really? In another sermon, Ross states that Wright "refers 
to the U.S. as being under the influence of the Ku Klux Klan."
WRIGHT: And they will not only attack you if you try to point out what's 
going on in white America, the U.S. of KKK A."
ROSS: He regularly mocks black Republicans as sell-outs.
WRIGHT: They live below the sea level, they live below the level of 
"Clarence Colon" and "Con-damn-nesia."
ROSS: In his first sermon after September 11th, 2001, Reverend Wright said 
the U.S. had brought on the attacks with its own terrorism.
WRIGHT: We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than 
the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. We 
have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South 
Africans, and now we are indignant?! Because the stuff we have done overseas 
is not brought back into our front yard? Americans chickens are coming home 
to roost.
Ross quoted Obama as saying that Wright is "like an old uncle who sometimes 
says things I don't agree with."
That Obama advisor then appeared, Shaun Casey, a professor of Christian 
ethics at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, DC.
CHRIS CUOMO: You heard Brian's piece. Given what Reverend Wright has said 
over the years, much of which would be considered over the line politically, 
should Senator Obama separate himself from the reverend he calls his 
"spiritual guide"?
SHAUN CASEY: I think Senator Obama's been very clear that he disagrees with 
Reverend Wright on a number of the specific issues you've just shown in the 
story. I think it's unfair to hold any politician to the political views of 
their particular pastor and I think it's unfair to hold any pastor to the 
political views of congregants. It's part of the great American tradition 
that many congregations are composed of folk who have a wide variety of 
political views. So I don't think Senator Obama really has any more to say 
than what you showed in that piece.
CUOMO: But is there a responsibility as a candidate for president to 
associate yourself, certainly as a spiritual advisor, with ideas that are 
consistent with your campaign? Senator Obama said his campaign is about 
moving away from divisive politics, from sniping and attacks. And then, to 
say your spiritual advisor is a man who says America should be damned? That 
it is to blame for 9-11? That Farrakhan deserves an award for epitomizing 
greatness? Does that go together?
CASEY: I think he's repudiated that very clearly. If you had any evidence 
that in fact Senator Obama had embraced those views we would see that in the 
piece. But the fact that you didn't have any video of Senator Obama 
embracing those views, in fact he's repudiated those views, I think it's 
very clear. I mean, it's interesting to me you haven't vetted Hillary 
Clinton's pastor's sermons, you haven't vetted President Bush's pastor's 
sermons. You haven't vetted John McCain's pastor's sermons. So, you're not 
holding them to that standard, which I think is very interesting.
CUOMO: And you believe that what the reverend has said doesn't go beyond the 
pale of what he preaches in terms of religion, it doesn't deserve any more 
scrutiny than that? It doesn't have anything to do with politics? This is 
just the media picking on Senator Obama?
CASEY: No. It's fair to ask those questions. But what you have to accept 
Senator Obama's answers that he repudiates those specific political views on 
the three or four issues that you've outlined. And I think you have to take 
his word for that. It seems to me what you're trying to do is what some of 
the media tried to do to John Kennedy in 1960, that because he was a 
Catholic he must embrace certain political views the Catholic church held 
and he denied those, and he denied those for about a four-year period. And 
it really wasn't until the actual election itself that the American public 
understood that he was able to separate himself from some of the political 
views of his church. I think it's the same dynamic that's going on here.
CUOMO: When people hear what Reverend Wright has to say, they may be 
concerned that that is the spiritual adviser for Senator Obama. How do you 
respond to that?
CASEY: The way to judge Senator Obama's spirituality and faith is to read 
what he has written, listen to the speeches which he has given, which again 
you showed no clips from. This man has spoken at greater length about his 
faith than any current candidate for the presidency of the United States. 
Follow what Senator Obama says on policy, follow what he says about his own 
spirituality, don't impute positions to him from his minister. That's only 
fair.
Let's begin by giving kudos to Brian Ross for his investigative work, to ABC 
for airing the segment and to Chris Cuomo for posing some probing questions 
to Obama representative Casey.
That said, if this had been a Republican candidate, could he possibly have 
come so far as to get his party's nomination before this kind of piece had 
been aired? And would the person in Cuomo's position simply have been asking 
whether the Republican needed to "separate himself" from the minister? Would 
there not be clamoring for the Republican's outright withdrawal from the 
race?
Let's consider Casey's defense: that ABC is doing to Obama what some in the 
media did to JFK in 1960. But Kennedy was born into a worldwide religion. 
Here, Obama as an adult chose to become a congregant in a very specific 
church, and chose that church's leader as his personal "spiritual advisor." 
He chose Rev. Wright to perform his wedding ceremony and to baptize his 
children, and credits Rev. Wright with devising the title of Obama's book 
"The Audacity of Hope."
This was not just simple membership in one of the world's great religions. 
It was Obama's decision to very closely associate himself with this 
congregation and its pastor, the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Were the 
shoe on a Republican foot, would the MSM not have long-ago driven him from 
the race?
Michelle Malkin: "Now we know where Michelle Obama's resentment of America 
comes from: her profanity-spewing pastor."

 Am.
KMA 

> > Forse bisognerebbe dire una parolina all'Immigration, che dici?
#_Mica per tutti basta la "parolina"!!!...(ref. "Ucciso il mandante della 
ecc.ecc.")
_BTW....Kiss My Ass!

 e`controproducente gridarlo.
La "guida spirituale" di McCain, invece, ha "solo" detto che i neri di
New Orleans si sono meritati l'Uragano,che l'Islam e' una religione
fondata
da Satana e che gli Ebrei meritano le persecuzioni perche' hanno
rifiutato
Gesu' Cristo.
Purtroppo i media Americani cosi' imparziali e progressisti non ne
hanno parlano.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803140013?f=h_top
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3316
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig
PS:  Francamente, in tutte le affermazioni attribuite a Wright, se si
guarda il contesto, non ci vedo nulla di particolarmente
problematico.   Il fatto che sono potenzialmente pericolose per Obama
dice molto sugli USA, non su Wright.
GT


 rifiutato  Gesu' Cristo.
impossibile:i "sionisti" di IPI; così pronti a notare l'endorsement
dei nazi per quel nazi di Ron Paul, che chiede da nazi qual è che non
si diano più armi a regimi che non riconoscono Israele (un nome a
caso: Arabia), sicuramente si sarebbero gettati all'inseguimento degli
antisemiti che sostengono McCain se fosse davvero così.
Hagee, from his 2006 "Jerusalem Countdown": "It was the disobedience
and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal
responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise
to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in
Canaan and continuing to this very day....How utterly repulsive,
insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit
idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people.
Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would
arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises
from the judgment of God uppon his rebellious chosen
people." ("Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To War", paperback edition,
pages 92 and 93)
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/posner/49157
ops, è davvero così, solo che l'antisemita Hagee è un sostenitore di
Israele (per la solita storia che per i cristianofascisti USA intanto
si va tutti insieme in Israele, poi ci sarà la Seconda Venuta e poi
saranno cazzi amari di chi continua a non volersi cristianizzare,
visto che è recidivo), e allora tutti i salmi finiscono in gloria, con
la benedizione di papa Foxman.
Evidentemente ancora non è penetrato nella dura cervice di CERTI ebrei
il concetto che ad andare a braccetto coi fascisti si finisce sempre
male...

 GT
#_No, e`verita`esasperata quella di Wright, ma il problema e`presente.
Nella strategia di clima preelettorale, le invettive causano una reazione 
negativa; qualsiasi enfatizzazione lo fa.
Howard Dean sarebbe stato un grande presidente. Ricordi quattro anni fa come 
si gioco`la candidatura al primo round?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc
Obama lo sa; all'elettorato incerto ogni eccesso e`dannoso...le parole e 
l'enfasi infiammano solo i gia`convinti e mettono in imbarazzo gli incerti.
In tutte le campagne elettorali, in qualsiasi parte del mondo,"l'incerto" 
e`, molto macchiavellicamente, il votante da sedurre e convincere.
Wright e`un reverendo, veterano di guerra, esasperato dalle ingiustizie 
subite da uno strato sociale dei suoi fratelli di colore. In procinto di 
lasciare il suo posto, ha voluto salutare i suoi fedeli con un fervore 
troppo spinto (facendo anche dei nomi) azzardando oltre misura, con quella 
maledizione, sul sentimento patriotico comunissimo negli americani e ha 
sbagliato per quello.
Giano 

 sbagliato per quello.
ovviamente dietro all'affare c'è la solita fogna neocon
Kristol...quando c'è da sguazzare nella merda, i criminali contro
l'umanità della sua fatta sono sempre i primi a tuffarsi..
http://blogamerica2008.blogspot.com/2008/03/e-arrivato-obama-osama.html

 Kristol...quando c'č da sguazzare nella merda, i crim
Non scaldarti cosi. Sembri ancora piů cretino.
Tb
-- 
E' una grande mitzvah essere sempre felici (R. Nachman di Breslavia)

 sbagliato per quello.
ovviamente dietro all'affare c'č la solita fogna neocon
Kristol.
#_Per forza!
Obama sarebbe veramente l'unico in potere di mettere la museruola a tutti 
quei cani rognosi.
Chissa`quello che inventeranno ancora!?
Giano