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Che dite...la facciamo partire la RFD e la discussione su
it.news.gruppi su IPI moderato?
Eh? Eh?
MMAX il vostro moderatore preferito

 it.news.gruppi su IPI moderato?
Mai.
Palmiro Pangloss

 it.news.gruppi su IPI moderato?
Comincia a smettere di trollare e non ce ne sara' bisogno.
-Stefano

Palmiro Pangloss
Vedo che tu e  De Cesari siete allineati...la cosa fa riflettere 
uaz uaz uaz
MMAX il vostro bieco censore preferito

Comincia a smettere di trollare e non ce ne sara' bisogno.
Paura eh?
MMAX aka The Black Lister

 Vedo che tu e  De Cesari siete allineati...
Non l'avevi plonkato?
Tb
-- 
TBLOG
http://www.tonibaruch.blogspot.com/
FALSO. E GLASSATO DI BLU:
http://tonibaruch.buzznet.com/user/?id=1653547
I CULOTASTIERATI:
http://tonibaruch.buzznet.com/user/?id=921717

Non l'avevi plonkato?
Ma va l'ho anche scritto che l'avevo dis killfilato.
No dico..vuoi che mi perda le sue acrobazie per la discussione
prossima ventura?
MMAX

 Paura eh?
Certo, certo... :)
*pat pat*
-Stefano

 Vedo che tu e  De Cesari siete allineati...
No
Palmiro Pangloss


Paura lui della moderazione ? scherzi ? gliele ha sempre
cantate in faccia a qualsiasi moderatore della terra <g>

cantate in faccia a qualsiasi moderatore della terra <g>
Conto di stabilire con lui un rapporto di leale e reciproca
collaborazione al fine di sviluppare interessanti tematiche di
dibattito.
MMAX il vostro moderatore benvolente

 
Portati avanti col lavoro : dimostralo.

MMAX il vostro moderatore preferito
Insisti ?
Sei troppo prevedbile, troppo ovvio.
Un  altro bel NG " tra di noi ".
Nostalgia del ghetto ?
Kairaddin

Nostalgia del ghetto ?
E che sono cresciuto ad Harlem?
MMAX il moderatore affidabile

 Eh? Eh?
MMAX
prima il "programma" (aka manifesto). :)
 Poi una lista di moderatori candidati accettabili che sono in grado di farlo
rispettare senza favoritismi (altrimenti si ha una nuova copia di IPII <g>)
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prima il "programma" (aka manifesto). :)
Beh ovvio..ora parte l'RFD e la discutiamo assieme.
MMAX

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/03/international/middleeast/03rawa.html?pagewanted=print
Two days after the Iraqi Army's sweep, the American Army commander,
Colonel Davis, and his Iraqi counterpart, a Colonel Yasser who did not
give his first name, faced a crowd of 300 people angered by the
house-to-house searches and summary detentions.
"The Iraqi Army will be in every city," Colonel Yasser, a Sunni, told
the crowd,
....
Colonel Davis delivered a blunter message. "We're not going anywhere,"
he told the murmuring crowd,
...
"Some of you are concerned about the attack helicopters and mortar fire
from the base," he said. "I will tell you this: those are the sounds of
peace."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050926/od_afp/russiareligionmilitaryoffbeat_050926150901
 Russian admiral named patron saint of nuclear bomber force
Mon Sep 26,11:09 AM ET
Historic Russian admiral Fyodor Ushakov -- a hero of Russia's wars
against Turkey and Napoleon Bonaparte -- was designated the patron
saint of nuclear-armed, long-distance Russian bombers by the Orthodox
Church.
Russian Patriarch Alexei II, head of the Russian Orthodox Church,
carried a reliquary and an icon of the admiral, who was canonised in
2004, into the Moscow chapel of the Russian Air Force's 37th Air Army
in Moscow, Russia's RIA Novosti news agency said Monday.
"I am sure he will become your intermediary as you fulfil your
responsible duties to the fatherland in the long-range air force," the
patriarch said.
"His strong faith helped Saint Fyodor Ushakov in all his battles," the
religious leader said, reminding his audience that the famous admiral
of the 18th and 19th centuries never lost a battle.
Fyodor Ushakov distinguished himself in numerous naval battles in the
Black Sea and the Mediterranean, most notably in the Russo-Turkish war
between 1787 and 1791.
But his reforms of the navy were not popular in the upper echelons of
the Russian imperial administration and Tsar Alexander I forced Ushakov
to retire to Tambov province south-east of Moscow in 1807, where he
died in 1817 aged 73.
Ushakov's canonisation as a saint in 2004 follows a strong tradition in
Russia of close relations between the Orthodox Church and the state,
which was revived after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20051003/1054505.asp?PFVer=Story
 	Rumors of rescue copters under fire unfounded
By MIRIAM HILL and NICHOLAS SPANGLER
Knight Ridder Newspapers
10/3/2005
	NEW ORLEANS - Among the rumors that spread as quickly as floodwaters
after Hurricane Katrina, reports that gunmen were taking potshots at
rescue helicopters stood out for their senselessness.
On Sept. 1, as patients sweltered in hospitals without power and
thousands of people remained stranded on rooftops and in attics,
crucial rescue efforts were delayed as word of such attacks spread.
But more than a month later, representatives from the Air Force, Coast
Guard, Department of Homeland Security and Louisiana Air National Guard
say they have yet to confirm a single incident of gunfire at
helicopters.
Likewise, members of several rescue crews who were told to halt
operations say there is no evidence they were under fire.
So many rumors were swirling that the facts still haven't been sorted
out. A picture is emerging of heroic but harried rescue workers from
dozens of organizations forced to make snap decisions with only slender
threads of information and no reliable communications.
The storm created so much confusion that government officials cannot
even agree on whether they ever issued an order to halt flights or
other rescue efforts.
Sometimes the mere rumor that they had was enough.
On the morning of Sept. 1, Mike Sonnier was directing rescue
helicopters at his company, Acadian Ambulance, when one of his pilots
called to say the military had suspended flights after gunfire was
reported in the air near the Louisiana Superdome.
Sonnier immediately shut down flights. "Until I can confirm that this
did happen or didn't happen, it's not a chance that I can take," he
said.
Sonnier said that when he checked with the National Guard about two
hours later, he was told it was OK to fly. At that point, Acadian
resumed operations. Even today, it's not clear whether a military order
to stop flying was ever actually made.
Lt. Pete Schneider, a spokesman for the National Guard, which was
handling Superdome evacuations, said it was a civilian who told
guardsmen in the area that shots had been fired. Schneider said flights
continued despite the danger.
But a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said Superdome
flights were temporarily suspended because of gunfire.
In another case of rumor amplified by the media, an Acadian Ambulance
medic aboard a helicopter reported Aug. 31 that he had been unable to
drop supplies at a hospital in suburban Kenner because of armed crowds
on the roof. But the medic never went to the hospital, turning back
after hearing a warning over military radio.
Acadian Chief Executive Richard Zuschlag repeated the story to the
media, unaware that his crew had been acting on a military radio
report. Zuschlag said he learned only in the past week that his crew
had not actually seen the crowds.
A spokeswoman for Kenner Regional Medical Center said Sunday that she
knew of no such incident.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo/message/7048
Full Report: Student Brutalized by Cops, Right-Wing
Students, for Protesting Recruiters At George Mason University
by M. Junaid Alam
A Pakistani-American who served four years in the United
States Air Force as munitions personnel was beaten and
brutalized by right-wing students and campus police for
staging a peaceful protest at a military recruitment table
last Thursday at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia.
Tariq Khan, now a junior majoring in sociology, said he was
standing in front of the recruitment table outside the
school student center -- as he has often done before --
during noontime with a paper sign reading, "Recruiters lie,
don't be deceived," taped to his shirt. A student approached
Khan and initiated a verbal argument, screaming in his face;
he then took the flyer and ripped it up in front of him,
Khan says.
The student then left and returned with another student
claiming to be a Marine having recently served in Iraq, and
the three continued a verbal argument that began to
escalate, Khan claimed. "I asked the marine, 'So how many
people did you kill?'" Khan said. "And he answered, 'Not
enough.'" The marine student soon ripped Khan's sign off his
shirt and threw it in the trash.
Shortly thereafter, two of Khan's friends came to his
defense, and a college staff member told Khan he had to
leave because he had no permit to table in the area. "I
didn't even have a table to begin with, so I didn't see why
I needed a permit for one," Khan said. "Besides, to have a
table, you need to be a campus group, and we didn't have
one," he added, pointing out that the student council denied
an anti-war group's right to exist on campus earlier because
it contained several anarchists.
[Very interesting.--DC]
The staff member called campus security, at which point a
police officer, Lt. Reynolds, approached Khan and demanded
to see his student ID. Khan said he told the officer he was
not carrying his ID and tried to walk away when the
policeman tried to arrest him and then became violent. "He
threw me into the stage," Khan claimed, referring to a dance
area in the student center left from an event earlier in the
day, "and I just sort of raised my hands to show I'm not
violent and tried to get as much attention by saying, 'I'm
being non-violent and I'm being brutalized.'"
Fellow student and friend Amie Wells confirmed Khan's
account, saying the officer "grabbed him, put him in a
half-nelson headlock," and then "slammed him into a metal
stage," propped three feet above the floor. Wells added that
the officer then slammed Khan into the ground hard,
resulting in his face hitting the surface.
Describing the atmosphere, Wells said a number of right-wing
students were cheering on police officers who were attacking
Khan, exclaiming, "Kick him!" She claimed most of the crowd
appeared to be on the side of the police. "It was
disgusting," she said. Another student who witnessed events,
David Curtis, said some students initially implored the
police to let Khan go, but others soon arrived to support
the police, chanting "Kick his ass!"
According to Khan, Wells, and Curtis, one of the right-wing
students who had earlier harassed Khan joined the cops in
forcing him on the ground. Curtis asked the student what
authority he was exercising, and the student backed off.
However, Curtis says, a university employee who stood about
six feet eight inches and weighed around 300 pounds began
helping the cops to further subdue Khan. "He performed
jujitsu moves on me while the cops held me down, and the
cops let him do it," Khan said. "Frankly, the cops were
doing just fine without him, but this huge guy came and put
[Khan's] free arm in a Kamora," Curtis said, referring to a
jujitsu maneuver in which the arm is painfully bent
backwards. "You could see on his face that it was really
hurting him," Curtis said of Khan.
A police officer claimed the university employee was an
"auxiliary police officer," but Wells, who works with the
man in the computer store, said she had never seen him in
that capacity.
Khan said he was then dragged off by two officers toward a
police car but was reluctant to get in. He says one cop was
preparing to spray him with mace. "He held the can straight
at my eyes, about five inches away from my face," Khan said.
"So I started yelling, 'Hey, this cop is trying to mace me,
someone take a picture if you have a camera!"
Wells quickly took out her cell-phone camera and began
snapping pictures. "After I did that, the cop put away his
mace can and said, 'Okay, no one's going to get maced
today.' I mean, clearly, he knew he was doing something
wrong," she said.
Khan says Officer Reynolds told him he had to arrest him
because, "What with 9/11 and everything else, we didn't know
what you would do." Khan also says another policeman told
him that "You people are the most violent people in the
world." Before being hauled off to the Fairfax County Jail,
Khan was warned by the police who were questioning him that
"If you even look at [cops] the wrong way, they'll hang you
up by your feet."
Officer Reynolds asked the handcuffed student if he needed
medical attention or desired an attorney, Khan claims, but
says he was granted neither medical attention nor an
attorney after expressly asking for both.
Released after two hours, Khan was charged with disorderly
conduct and trespassing on campus -- even though Khan is a
student and police found his ID when they searched him.
The student protester says he is planning to sue the school,
the police, and the right-wing students who attacked him. "I
went with my wife and my mother-in law to file a complaint
at the police office right afterwards, and had pictures
taken of all my cuts and bruises," he says.
In response to the incident, the university issued a
statement to Khan recognizing that he was staging a peaceful
protest and insisting it was committed to students' rights
to free speech on campus; it also said it will conduct an
internal investigation into the conduct of the police
officers and the other students who were involved in
Thursday's events.
Khan, however, is not impressed. "They haven't even
contacted me yet," he said. "I'll believe them when I see
results."
Asked what motivated him to begin his protest against
military recruiters on a campus where there is no organized
anti-war movement, the former Air Force enlistee said, "For
four years, I was making bombs. Then I started wondering
where those bombs were actually going." After reading and
learning about the bombing of Kosovo and ongoing destruction
of civilian facilities in Iraq, he came to his conclusion:
"I asked the questions and I wasn't happy with the answers
We were bombing civilian plants."
Speaking at a rally held on October 3 that was attended by
150 to 200 supporters at the university, Khan sounded a
defiant note: "I will not be bullied or intimidated into
silence . . . The university authority's actions against me
last Thursday were their way of telling me to shut up. And
my answer to them is, no, I will not shut up . . . The
power-mongers in this country are using 9/11 and terrorism
as an excuse to trample all over our individual rights. A
friend of mine recently said, 'When we've traded in all our
freedom for security, we'll find that the only thing we've
secured is our own incarceration.'"

 
Una bufala di cui il caro Torrieri ha le prove ma non le vuole mostrare
al mondo per non rendersi ancora piu' ridicolo di quanto gia' non faccia
:)
-Stefano