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Titolo: Are Begin and Shamir also considered terrorists?

La redazione di Haaretz tiene d'occhio IPI? :)
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/are-begin-and-shamir-also-considered-terrorists-1.369342
Published 02:03 24.06.11 Latest update 02:03 24.06.11
Are Begin and Shamir also considered terrorists?
 From the end of 1937 until the middle of 1939, in less than two years, 
the terrorist activities of the Irgun and Lehi claimed 232 victims with 
another 370 wounded - men, women and children.
By Yossi Sarid
Amir Oren's glance rested for a moment on the press release published by 
the Defense Ministry that the people who fell on the Altalena were to be 
defined as "murdered." But there are no murdered people without 
murderers, and in this case they are David Ben-Gurion (who gave the 
order ) and Yitzhak Rabin (who commanded the Haganah unit that sank the 
Irgun ship off the Tel Aviv coast in June 1948 ).
The memorial for the Altalena fallen was held this week in the presence 
of former members of the Irgun militia and those who followed in their 
footsteps. Not one word of reservation was voiced, not even by the prime 
minister. Only two weeks previously, they had been agitated by a 
comparison I had made - during a Shavuot study session at Tzavta in Tel 
Aviv - between Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, and Yasser Arafat. 
Then I said that they, like him, had been contaminated by terrorism. 
"This guy, Sarid, has gone berserk," was what they said.
I do not particularly like historical analogies. The one who makes them 
suffers in the same way as the one who made the changes - he loses out 
because there will always be differences that can be highlighted.
However, my methodological mistake does not alter their biographies. 
Many people who headed movements of national liberation adopted violent 
and indiscriminate methods of resistance that brought death and injury 
to the innocent and the wicked alike, to civilians as well as soldiers, 
and which deliberately sowed panic among the public. We have to be sorry 
but not to deny this, and those who do the rewriting should not be 
hopeful. Later on, the terrorists became legitimate leaders, presidents 
and prime ministers; and Begin and Shamir are among these.
At one stage, B. Michael drew attention to the book, "The History of the 
War of Liberation," which was written by people who had been involved in 
the Irgun and the Lehi prestate right-wing underground movements. It is 
based on documents from the archives of the Israel Defense Forces and of 
the Irgun, of the Jabotinsky Institute and the Betar Museum. In their 
dedication, the authors thanked Uri Zvi Grinberg, Abba Ahimeir, Arthur 
Szyk, Shmuel Schnitzer and Shmuel Tamir; the prologue and summary were 
written by Israel Eldad.
There is no room here to mention all of the activities for which these 
organizations took responsibility, but here are a few typical cases: On 
4.11.1937 - five dead and eight wounded in shooting at a bus in the 
Jerusalem suburb of Romema; 16.7.38 - 10 killed and three wounded 
including four women, a boy and young girl, by a bomb hidden in a basket 
of vegetables; 26.7.38 - 27 killed and 46 wounded when a bomb exploded 
in Haifa's Arab market; 29.5.39 - five killed and 18 wounded when mines 
were detonated in the Rex Cinema in Jerusalem, and among the seriously 
wounded were a Jewish man and woman; 20.6.39 - 78 killed by a bomb in 
the Haifa vegetable market.
And we have not mentioned the best known incidents - the explosion at 
the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the massacre at Dir Yassin, the 
executions of Jews who were suspected of cooperating with the foreign 
occupier (at least 10 cases ), and the assassinations of some of the 
representatives of His Majesty's government and of the international 
community in the region or in the country.
 From the end of 1937 until the middle of 1939, in less than two years, 
the terrorist activities of the Irgun and Lehi claimed 232 victims with 
another 370 wounded - men, women and children. All of this was detailed 
in the semi-official book, that was republished in 1981 with the 
assistance of the Defense Ministry.
I had difficulty calculating the exact number of the hundreds of 
fatalities from the period of terror between 1946 and 1948. Anyone 
interested in the figures can find them in the book and do the 
calculations themselves.
The acts of the fathers served as a lesson for the sons, and even after 
1948 and 1967, the acts of Jewish terrorism did not stop. Many of these 
terrorists walk among us, free, today and those who were caught and 
sentenced were pardoned.
Every nation holds its own terrorists close to its heart and considers 
them heroes. And even if there is someone who feels revolted, he too 
does not oppose forgiveness because even though they have sinned, they 
are part of the people of Israel.
However, there is still a very small minority in whose eyes all the 
terrorists in the world - irrespective of race or religion - are 
considered outcasts, no matter what their motives may have been. And the 
aim does not, in their opinion, justify the means: instead, the means 
defile the aim.
-- 
Namib
"La force ne fait ni raison ni droit ; mais il est peut-ï¿œtre impossible 
de s'en passer, pour faire respecter le droit et la raison" (Saint-Just)

 Every nation holds its own terrorists
che, detto da uno che incontrava
[1] credo abbia incontrato Guido Rossi. Si' quello che ha lo stesso
cognome della Redfiddler.
Ah, qualche notizia sulla famiglia di Yossi Sarid. Il nemico dei
Beatles, LOL
http://rehovnahum.blogspot.com/2010/12/parlare-di-politica.html

 che, detto da uno che incontrava
che incontrava, dicevo, Abdel Rabbo, fa un certo effetto.

"נחום"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
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Leggo in una breve storia della Palestina:<< ...la Gran Bretagna dopo aver 
addestrato e armato i gruppi sionisti per proteggere i propri interessi 
nella regione, diviene  consapevole delle minacce potenziali alla sua 
sovranità e tenta di riprendere in mano la situazione. L'Irgoun ( con a capo 
Menachem Begin) e lo Stern (Tra i capi ricordiamo Shamir)ricorrono ad azioni 
terroristiche, anche all'esterno della Palestina. Nel 1944 due loro agenti 
assassinano lord Moyne, ministro residente britannico al Cairo e nel 1946 
fanno saltare l'albergo Kin Davide a Gerusalemme, dove aveva sede 
l'amministrazione britannica, causando 91  morti( tra i quali alcuni 
ebrei)>>. Then, by this , Begin and Shamir Were terrorits.
(
http://alberti.crs4.it/-ciano/PEACE/PALESTINA/palestina1.html
)    _pagina 
2di 2. catalano. 

 un tizio che ha perso le elezioni nel 2003
e allora vota Berlusconi, che ne ha vinte tante. Oppure renditi conto
una buona volta dell'idiozia dell'argomento del perdere le elezioni