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Titolo: we, the jewish people, control america?

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=373&x_article=373
      A proposito della frase di Sharon che il nostro Goebbels-in-Prendisole
(e i suoi compagni di merende) amano citare.
      La frase  di cui si è parlato con Namib.
      Che non fosse vera era facilmente intuibile. Qua si può leggerne e
controllarne la fonte.
      Che dire?
      A me - personalmente - intenet affascina e non penso che vada
"regolamentata". Ma forse bisognerebbe dare ai nostri bambini (e non solo)
qualche istruzione per l'uso.
      La prima istruzione per l'uso - che distingue una notizia da un
pettegolezzo o da una calunnia - è il controllo delle fonti. Esistono una
serie di norme deontologiche a cui qualsiasi giornalista iscritto all'albo
sa di doversi attenere. Non sempre lo fa, e - come dice Namib - ci sono vari
modi di "manipolare" le notizie, anche senza mentire.
      Ad ogni buon conto bisognerebbe sapere che una notizia che circola ,
se non è corredata da fonti, è semplicemente una "non notizia". Una
"chiacchera", un "pettegolezzo", tipo i commenti che si fanno tra signore
dal parrucchiere.
      "X si è rifatta le tette"
      "Y ha più corna in testa di un cesto di lumache"
      Qualcosa - insomma - da non prendere in considerazione, o - quanto
meno - da verificare.
       Qua dentro invece sono in molti ad essere convinti che - se una cosa
è in rete (e assomiglia a quello che vogliamo sentirci dire)  allora è -
semplicemente - la verità.
      La leggenda  della finta frase di Sharon, così come la leggenda degli
ebrei che non sono andati a lavorare l'11 settembre, non è nata in rete,
anche se in rete si è rapidamente diffusa, così come nelle menti di chi era
predisposta ad accoglierla.
      Ha un inizio ben preciso. Eccolo:
      June 20, 2002 by Tamar Sternthal
      Misquote: Sharon Quote is Fabricated
      The following is an example of statements misquoted, taken out of
context or otherwise manipulated to present a distorted view of Zionist
intentions and actions. The misquotes are found in op-eds in campus
newpapers and mainstream press as well as on anti-Israel websites.
      MISQUOTE:
      Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as quoted in an op-ed by
nationally syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer, allegedly said at an
Israeli Cabinet meeting in autumn, 2001and reported by Kol Yisrael radio:
      “Don't worry about American pressure, we control America.”
      “Don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people
control America, and the Americans know it.”
      FACT:
      These quotes originated with the pro-Hamas American group Islamic
Association for Palestine in an Oct. 13, 2001 press release, which claimed
its source as Israeli radio Kol Yisrael:
        According [to] the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col Yisrael Wednesday,
Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a
cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn
the US against us. At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward
Peres, saying “ . . . I want to tell you something clear, don't worry about
American pressure on Israel, we the Jewish people control America, and the
Americans know it.”…
      Elsewhere in the press release, the quote was repeated, albeit
slightly altered to: “we control America.”
      CAMERA received confirmation from Kol Yisrael political correspondent
Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, that he never made such
a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement.
      For more on the misquote by Georgie Anne Geyer, read CAMERA's
“Syndicated Columnist Georgie Anne Geyer Uses Fabricated Sharon Quote.” The
misquote also appears on many anti-Israel and hate sites.

 modi di "manipolare" le notizie, anche senza mentire.
[CUT]
A residuato del 15/18 il tuo acume mi sorprende; una frase di Sharon
smentita da Yoni Ben-Menachem corrispondente politico israeliano conta
quanto il due a briscola.
Quante smentite che smentiscono le smentite vuoi ? io ce n'ho tre :
ho tralasciato un articolo di R.Perle che dice quella stessa frase di Sharon
, se vuoi anche quella dammi un fischio.
Giannozzo abbronzato
1)  Questo qua s'e` fatto le tette ?
http://www.alhewar.org/INTIFADAH%20PAGE/sharon_we_control_america.htm
Sharon: "We Control America"!
Sharon to Peres: "Don't worry about American pressure; we control America"
Occupied Jerusalem: 3 October, 2001 (IAP News)
An acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session
last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign
Minister Shimon Peres during which Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying
"don't worry about American pressure, we control America."
According to Israel radio (in hebrew) Kol Yisrael, Peres warned Sharon
Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire
with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US
against us."
At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying
"every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do
that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American
pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans
know it."
The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against
saying what he said in public because "it would cause us a public relations
disaster."
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2) Questo qua che c'ha le corna ?
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20011119013421514
Sharon Says "we control America", Congressional Pandering to Israel Proves
Him Right
Monday, November 19 2001 @ 01:34 AM EST
By Dr. Mohamed Khodr
On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in
Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli
cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres.
Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a
cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn
the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry
about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."
"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate."
Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973
on CBS' "Face the Nation".
"I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a
foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews..... terrific
control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have
built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the
Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it
almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The
Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential
Jewish people in the country"
-----Sec. of State John Foster Dulles quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by
Donald Neff
The long history of bipartisan Congressional support for Israel led former
Secretary of State James Baker to call the Congress "The Little Knesset"
after Israel's Knesset (parliament) in Jerusalem. Congress's embarrassing
and unpatriotic display of allegiance to a foreign country that is dependent
on American largesse and support is the unknown scandal to the American
people. With the media's strong, biased and sympathetic portrayal of Israel
while simultaneously denying any opposing view of Israel or human pictures
and stories of the endless suffering of Palestinians, its no wonder that we
the American people are so unaware of the true face of Israel. Thus
shockingly but not surprisingly only 4 % of the American people are aware of
Israel's 34 year brutal military occupation of the Palestinian people.
Only at times of war and threat upon the U.S. does our Senate ever exhibit
the strong bipartisanship support of America it regularly provides Israel.
Despite our current crisis in airline security, Congressional political
bickering continued for weeks between Republicans and Democrats placing
American lives at risk while foreign aid to Israel was quick and automatic
(about $6 Billion), even at a time the Congress is telling us of budget
deficits and lack of money for the unemployed American workers. As an
American I am outraged at the blind historical allegiance our Senators have
provided Israel while they neglect many of our pressing domestic issues such
as airline security, Social Security and Medicare Reform, Education Reform,
Health Insurance for needy Americans, Money for Dilapidated Schools, and
Prescription Coverage for our Elderly. Our Congress operates on the premise
that most Americans are disinterested in foreign policy thus they have a
vacuum to provide Israel with blank checks and our latest F-16 fighter jets
that Israel uses to kill Palestinian civilians. They depend on our media to
keep us uninformed and distracted with Sports, Harry Potter, and scandals.
During America's war on terrorism, President Bush and Secretary Powell have
worked hard to keep a fragile coalition among the 55 Arab and Muslim
nations. To do that they've finally listened to British Prime Minister Tony
Blair, other European and Arab leaders and reengaged in the MidEast peace
process. Bush has ignored the Israeli Palestinian conflict since taking
office thus allowing Sharon to reconquer and reinvade Palestinian
territories during this Intifada that has cost over 800 Palestinian lives
and 175 Israeli lives with hundreds of Palestinian homes demolished.
For the first time Bush uttered the word a "Palestinian state" (is it
conceivable that the President of the most powerful nation on earth doesn't
even dare utter these two words). Powell has repeatedly criticized Israel
for its assassination policy, its house demolitions, its invasion of
Palestinian controlled territory, while he and Bush have repeatedly asked
Sharon to pull out of Palestinian territory, Sharon simply ignored them and
even compared them to Nazi appeasers. None of Sharon's rebuttals of the
American President during this crisis even generated any criticism from our
brave Congress. No one can imagine any other country able to tell its
benefactor "take your demands and shove it."
Now the stage is set for the much awaited Powell speech, a new initiative on
the Middle East on Monday, November 19, in Kentucky. It's been billed as a
historic speech. According to the British Telegraph site (
telegraph.co.uk
)
on November 18, Powell's original aim was to set out the administration's
vision for the creation of a Palestinian state, including complete Israeli
withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank, to be followed by peace negotiations
on "final status" issues such as borders, refugees and the fate of
Jerusalem. He has been encouraged by signs that moderate Arab states will
recognize Israel and its continued right to exist if the Palestinians decide
to do so themselves, an essential element of any peace agreement. Even
Iran's long standing opposition to the Peace Process was dropped when last
week President Mohammad Khatami of Iran said: "If the Palestinians accept
this issue we will respect the wishes of the Palestinian nation."
However, and as is customary whenever there is a possibility of Israel being
criticized, the Pro Israeli forces come out in force to pressure the White
House to tone down or modify its wording. Due to intense pressure from
Congress, the media, and the powerful American Jewish lobby, the White House
has intervened to tone down Powell's speech on the Middle East planned for
November 19. President George W Bush is believed to have blocked Powell from
putting too much pressure on Israel to make concessions in the search for
peace. As a result, according to Washington officials the watered down
speech is "less of a new initiative and more of a general call for people to
buck up their ideas".
THE ROLE OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE IN SERVING ISRAEL NOT AMERICA
89 SENATORS URGE PRESIDENT BUSH NOT TO HAMPER ISRAEL, November 16, 2001
According to the New York Times in an article titled "Senators Urge Bush Not
to Hamper Israel" (Nov. 17), 89 Senators signed a letter to President Bush
urging him not to restrain Israel from retaliating fully against Palestinian
violence and to express his solidarity publicly with Israel soon. The letter
was a preemptive strike against Secretary of State's Colin Powell's
anticipated speech on the Middle East conflict intended to silence any
direct or indirect criticism of Israel and from offering any hope to
Palestinian aspirations of a homeland based on UN Resolutions 242 and 338
which call for Israel to withdraw from all occupied territories it conquered
in its 1967 pre-emptive attack on Palestinian and Arab lands. In the letter
the Senators praise Mr. Bush for refusing to meet with Arafat and for
snubbing him at the U.N. refusing to even shake his hand.
As is usually the case the Letter was prompted by American Jewish groups
imposing their sentiments upon "our?" Congress. According to the Times, the
letter, "stemmed from a meeting two weeks ago between leaders of the
American Jewish community and key senators and was proposed by Senator
Christopher S. Bond, the Missouri Republican. Particularly active in
providing advice on the letter was the American Israel Public Affairs
Committee (AIPAC), the principal lobbying group for Israel."
This letter by 89 Senators is one in a long history of letters and
resolutions adopted by "our?" Congress meant to intimidate and squash any
movement by a US President that seeks peace negotiations for the
Israeli-Palestinian conflicts based on the internationally accepted formula
of land for peace based on UN Resolutions 242 and 338.
This Congressional doormat policy toward Israel began on September 21, 1922
whereupon the U.S. Congress endorsed the British Balfour Declaration.
U.S. CONGRESS ENDORSES BALFOUR DECLARATION: SEPTEMBER 21, 1922
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of
America in Congress Assembled.
That the United States of America favors the establishment in Palestine of
"A" national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that
nothing shall be done which will prejudice the civil and religious rights of
Christian and all other non-Jewish communities in Palestine, and that the
holy places and religious buildings and sites in Palestine shall be
adequately protected.
(Public Resolution No. 73, 67th Congress, Second Session).
Letter to President Ford by 71 Senators Concerning "Reassessment", (December
9, 1974)
Dear Mr. President:
In writing to you about recent developments in the Middle East, we wish to
reaffirm the commitment to the survival and integrity of the state of Israel
that has been the bipartisan basis of American policy over 26 years and
under five administrations.
We do not believe that a policy of appeasement (note: this appeasement
charge written 27 years ago was just recently echoed by Sharon: thus the
same cliches are used over and over again to protect Israel) will be any
more successful now than it proved to be in Europe in the 1930's because we
confront an appetite which grows on what it is fed.
We urge that you reiterate our nation's long-standing commitment to Israel's
security by a policy of continued military supplies and diplomatic and
economic support. In doing so, you will be acting in the best interests of
the United States and with the support of the Congress and the American
people. (note: again using the link that what's good for Israel is good for
America, no one has been allowed to challenge this dangerous falsehood).
Senate Opposes Unilateral Declaration of a Palestinian State, March 11, 1999
By a vote of 98-1, the U.S. Senate approved a resolution March 11, 1999,
asking President Clinton to oppose any unilateral declaration of an
independent Palestinian state. A similar resolution was passed by the House
on March 16 by a vote of 380-24. Sen. Robert Byrd, a West Virginia Democrat,
cast the sole vote against the measure.
96 Senators Call on President Clinton to Support Israel (note: only part of
letter shown) October 12, 2000
All but four members of the U.S. Senate signed the following letter to
President Clinton expressing their solidarity with Israel. The four senators
who did not sign were Spencer Abraham (R-MI), Judd Gregg (R-NH), Robert Byrd
(D-WV) and Chuck Hagel (R-NE). The bipartisan letter was circulated by the
Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) and Tom Daschle (D-ND).
Dear Mr. President:
We write to you to express our solidarity with the State of Israel at this
moment of crisis and our profound disappointment and frustration with PLO
Chairman Arafat and the Palestinian Authority...We are deeply concerned at
the continuing, coordinated campaign of Palestinian violence.
We urge you to express American solidarity with Israel at this crucial
moment, to condemn the Palestinian campaign of violence, to do everything
possible to secure the return of the three kidnapped Israeli soldiers
fromLebanon, and to stand with Israel in international arenas - not only
because we should, but because such actions are also the best way to restore
the negotiating process.
America's open and abiding commitment to the security of Israel is the
surest way to see our way safely through it.
53 US senators urge Red Cross to accept MDA
By Melissa Radler JPOST
August 2, 2001
In a bipartisan effort led by US Senators Peter Fitzgerald (R-Illinois) and
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-New York,) a group of 53 senators sent letters
yesterday to Secretary of State Colin Powell and leaders of the Red Cross
urging the world's largest humanitarian organization to grant full and
immediate membership to Magen David Adom (Israel's equivalent of the Red
Cross).
Letter Signed By 81 Senators Asking President Clinton Not to Pressure Israel
(note: part of letter below)
Dear Mr. President:
We are writing about the Middle East peace process, and the published
reports of a disagreement between our Administration and the Israeli
government that may lead to the United States publicly presenting a peace
proposal which is known to be unacceptable to Israel. We hope these reports
are not true.
We share your Administration's frustration with this lack of movement, but
believe it would be a serious mistake for the United States to change from
its traditional role as facilitator of the peace process to using public
pressure against Israel. This would be particularly unfair and
counterproductive since Israel has kept the promises it made at Oslo
America's commitment to Israel's security undergirds the entire peace
process and provides Israel the confidence it needs to take very real risks
for peace. American Middle East diplomacy, as you know and have shown so
well, has always worked best when pursued quietly and in concert with
Israel. We strongly urge you to continue our critical role as facilitator of
a process that can ultimately succeed only through the direct negotiations
by the parties themselves.
Sincerely,
Joseph I. Lieberman
Connie Mack
Letter from Newt Gingrich, Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, to
President Clinton: Gingrich Criticizes Clinton Pressure on Israel
May 6, 1998 (note: only part of letter shown)
Dear Mr. President,
I have followed the recent changes in your administration's Israel policy
with a deep and growing sense of concern.
I strongly believe that genuine and lasting peace in Israel can only be
achieved through voluntary direct dialogue between the parties, and not as a
result of heavy-handed outside pressure by the United States. Israel must be
able to decide her own security needs and set her own conditions for
negotiations without facing coercion from the U.S.
If your administration uses its influence to unilaterally design a "solution
" or force Israel to the table..then what motivation does Chairman Arafat
have to move toward common ground when America volunteers to drag Israel to
his current position?
Worse, America's strong-arm tactics would send a clear signal to the
supporters of terrorism that their murderous actions are an effective tool
in forcing concessions from Israel. Such signals endanger Israel and further
weaken the peace process. (note: same argument used before September 11 and
after September 11)
Your administration must re-evaluate it policy in this area.
Sincerely,
Newt Gingrich
Speaker of the House
87 SENATORS, 209 REPRESENTATIVES LETTER TO PRESIDENT BUSH: SUPPORT ISRAEL
House, Senate Call for Reassessment of U.S.-Palestinian Relations
April 6, 2001
(SOURCE: American Israeli Public Affairs Committee: AIPAC)
87 members of the Senate and the 209 members of the House sent letters to
President Bush urging him to reassess U.S. relations with the Palestinian
Authority.
Senate Letter (House Letter is Almost the Same)
Dear Mr. President:
We are writing you out of a deep sense of frustration, anger and concern
over recent events in the Middle East....Over the past several months, the
Palestinians have initiated on average over 30 "incidents" a day against
Israeli soldiers and civilians (note: not a single mention of Palestinian
casualties that are 4 times the Israeli casualties or the international
condemnation of Israel by the State Department and EVERY International Human
Rights Organization.)
Given the drastic changes that have taken place in recent months we believe
it is time for the United States to initiate a reassessment of our relations
with the Palestinians. Such reassessment should, in our view, examine
whether those Palestinian groups involved in violence, such as the
PLO-affiliated groups Force 17 and Tanzim, should be designated as foreign
terrorist organizations under Sections 219 of 8 USC 1189, whether US aid to
the Palestinians is in fact meetings its goals, and whether it is
appropriate for Arafat to be invited to meet with high-level officials in
Washington while the violence continues; we also believe that you should
reaffirm America's opposition to a unilaterally-declared independent
Palestinian state.
It is also time for those of us in both parties who serve in Congress and in
your Administration to restate our commitment to Israel's security and to
the uniquely common values and interests which America and Israel share.
June 11, 2001
The House of Representatives included several pro-Israel provisions in the
Foreign Relations Authorization Act. The legislation, which passed 352-73 on
May 16, included a section authored by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY), Jewish,
calling upon the State Department to review the current travel warning for
Israel, while Reps. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) and Eric Cantor (R-VA), Cantor is
Jewish, included language criticizing the anti-Israel and anti-Semitic
comments of Syria’s President Assad.
The House of Representatives voted to penalize Lebanon for not securing its
border with Israel. The House attached a provision, offered by Rep. Tom
Lantos (D-CA), Jewish, to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act
prohibiting certain U.S. support for the Lebanese military until the army
takes control of the country’s border with Israel away from Hezbollah.
(note: Israel withdrew from Lebanon after 22 years of military occupation)
The Red Cross retracts description of Israeli settlements as "war crime." In
response to a strongly worded letter from Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY), Jewish,
regarding recent statements emanating from the organization, Dr. Jakob
Kellenberger, president of the International Committee of the Red Cross,
stated unequivocally that the Red Cross does not consider Israeli settlement
activity a "war crime."
EXAMPLES OF SENATORS INDIVIDUALLY EXPRESSING THEIR SOLIDARITY WITH ISRAEL
SENATOR CHARLES SCHUMER's (D), ONE OF TEN JEWISH SENATORS:
LETTER TO NYTIMES
August 1, 2001
In a letter to the editor published in the New York Times August 1, 2001,
Senator Charles Schumer, Jewish Senator from New York, states that Ehud
Barak offered the Palestinians a state of their own on 97% of the West Bank
with a capital in East Jerusalem. He states that Mr. Arafat reject this
offer and instead of choosing peace he orchestrated a wave of violence that
ended the peace process. (note: The scope and substance of the offer he
mentions is false and Barak's "generosity" which was never stated publicly
has been refuted by American negotiators who also wrote in the New York
Times)
SENATOR JOHN McCAIN (R) AGREES TO WORK FOR ISRAEL BY HEADING INTERNATIONAL
CAMPAIGN TO FREE ISRAELI HOSTAGES IN LEBANON.
According to the Jerusalem Post of August 1, 2001 Israeli Knesset Speaker
Avraham Burg asked Senator John McCain to head an international campaign to
press for the release of three Israeli soldiers and a businessman held
captive by Hizbullah in Lebanon. Senator McCain agreed. (note: as usual such
items are not reported in the American media. No mention was made of the
hundreds of Lebanese held captive by Israel and the over 3,000 Palestinian
prisoners in Israel held without charge)
SENATOR JOSEPH BIDEN (D-Delaware) PLEDGES HIS ALLEGIANCE TO ISRAEL
In June of this year Senator Joseph Biden (D-Delaware), Chair of the
powerful Foreign Relations Committee tells the Pro-Israeli Council on
Foreign Relations that the Israeli-US friendship "is not a transitory event,
a marriage of convenience, or a short-term alliance."
SENATOR JESSE HELMS (R-N. Carolina) CARES MORE ABOUT ISRAEL'S SECURITY THAN
FORMER GENERAL AND PRIME MINISTER EHUD BARAK
According to the Jerusalem Post of August 16, 2000: "Jesse Helms Critical of
Barak's Concessions"
Jesse Helms, chairman of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is
critical of Prime Minister Ehud Barak for making too many concessions at
Camp David.
"Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered concessions unimaginable even
several weeks ago; indeed, I believe he went too far," Helms wrote in an
August 8 letter to Americans for a Safe Israel, a small, New York-based
group opposed to the peace process begun at Oslo in 1993.
"Israel must have an agreement that leaves a defensible state; the borders
contemplated at Camp David leave Israel vulnerable," Helms added.
No American citizen, no American organization, no American institution, and
no American domestic need or policy ever receives the immediate undivided
attention of "our?" Congress than the single issue of Jewish America, that
of Israel. Whatever Israel needs and whenever it needs it, it can count on
the Jewish American lobby, on the Jewish American Congressmen and Senators,
and on the Jewish American appointees in the executive branch, along with
the voice of the powerful media to continue that "Large Sucking Sound" out
of our Treasury, Commerce, and Pentagon toward the only country in the world
more condemned and criticized by the world community than any other.
Israel's cynical use of the murder of millions of Jews in the Holocaust and
the intimidating use of America's Scarlet Letter "A" for Anti-Semitism has
allowed it to steal land, murder civilians, and create the world's longest
suffering Palestinian refugees, all in plain sight of a world silenced by
its guilt and by America's power.
There will never be peace for America as long as we the American citizens
allow a foreign nation to dictate our foreign policy and who becomes our
friends and our enemies. For sometime Israel and its "controlled Congress
and media" are pushing our country to expand our war and murder of civilians
to the Arab countries Israel deems standing in its vision of "Greater
Israel."
At the beginning we supported Israel to be our client state in the oil
deserts of Arabia, now its us who've become the client state for Israel.
Israel is committing atrocities with our money and weapons---killing in our
name. This has more to do with our national pride, identity, and role in the
world than it does with Muslims, Palestinians, or Afghanistan. Is this our
country, is this "our?" Congress, is Bush our President, and is Colin Powell
our Secretary of State.
What Powell will say and not say on Monday November 19 will tell the
American people and the world whether we are in charge of our destiny or is
Israel. Let's pray that no more Americans die for Israel's sake and for the
sake of reelecting "our?'" brave Congressmen.
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Israeli Press
i n f o p a l - The Independent Palestinian Information Network
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Sharon to Peres: "Don't worry about American pressure; we control America"
Occupied Jerusalem: 3 October, 2001 (IAP News)
An acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly
session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and
his foreign Minister Shimon Peres during which Sharon reportedly
yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we
control America."
According to Israel radio (in hebrew) Kol Yisrael, Peres warned
Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American
requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger
Israeli interests and "turn the US against us."
At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres,
saying "every time we do something you tell me Americans will do
this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear,
don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish
people control America, and the Americans know it."
The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon
against saying what he said in public because "it would cause us
a public relations disaster."
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Quante smentite che smentiscono le smentite vuoi ? io ce n'ho tre :
Non ne hai portata proprio nessuna che "smentisce la smentita".
Hai portato solo articoli da siti web che riportano la notizia.
Esattamente come si possono trovare infiniti siti che riportano la
ca**ata sull'intervista a Sharon di Amos Oz.
-Stefano

 > , se vuoi anche quella dammi un fischio.
Dai, catastrofico e immane cazzone, fammela vedere.
Idea platonica di imbecillità,
di articoli che riportano quella falsa notizia non ce ne sono 3, ce ne sono
1130.
E se tu - distillato di babbeitudine - la prendi, la riporti  e ci apri un
sito, magari chiamandoti "Associazione per la pace cristiano-mussulmana" ce
ne saranno 1131 e la  notizia NON sarà più vera di quello che è.
Iniziamo col dire che per credere alla verità una frase in cui Sharon
informa Peres che l'America è in mano agli ebrei devono verificarsi ben due
condizioni: devi essere pirla E antisemita.
Ma SOPRATTUTTO pirla.
La notizia è stata data da un gruppo americano filo Hamas, Association for
Palestine, sostenendo che proveniva dalla radio israeliana Kol Israel.
Mi segui, Principe dei Pistola?
Continuiamo.
Trattasi di associazione integralista che cita una radio del cazzo dove un
ignoto giornalista avrebbe riportato una frase che ha sentito.
Pensatucheroba. Già così se non sei proprio il Rappresentante Delegato
dell'Umana Idiozia passi ad altro.
Ma non basta, oh Icona di Stoltaggine.
Kol Israel ha smentito.
Se TU hai qualcosa di nuovo da aggiungere che smentisca questa storia,
fallo.
Ah. Dimenticavo.
Qualche domandina, a cui tu, Simolo d'Ebetudine, tanto per cambiare non
risponderai.
Com'è che i giornali si sono fatti sfuggire questo gustoso scivolone del
nostro Kattivissimo Sharon, oh Madre di tutti gli Idioti???
Sarà perchè le fonti NON sono nemmeno da prendere in considerazione, o Re
dei Mentecatti?
Oppure è perchè la stampa italiana è in mano agli ebrei?
E Liberazione e il Manifesto?
Anche loro in mano agli ebrei?
lina
p.s. E dì un po', c'erano gli ebrei nelle torri, l'11 settembre?