Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Cosa pensano gli Afghani

Forwardo due articoli, in inglese, scritti da Afghani.
Il primo, quotato sotto, da un "fortunato" profugo che vive a San
Francisco.
Il secondo da un profugo un po' piu' sfortunato, che sta tentando di
passare il
confine col Pakistan
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/14/afghanistan/index.html
An Afghan-American speaks
 You can't bomb us back into the Stone Age. We're already there. But
you can start a new world war, and that's exactly what Osama bin Laden
wants.
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 By Tamim Ansary
Sept. 14, 2001 |   I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing
Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on San Francisco's KGO
Talk Radio, conceded today that this would mean killing innocent
people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at
war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?"
Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the
belly to do what must be done."
And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I
am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived in the United States
for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want
to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm
standing.
I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. There is no
doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity
in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.
But the Taliban and bin Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even
the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant
psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political
criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you
think bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of
Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not
only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They
were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if
someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the
rats' nest of international thugs holed up in their country.
 
 
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Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering.
A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
disabled orphans in Afghanistan -- a country with no economy, no food.
There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these
widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the
farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the
reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.
We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone
Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it
already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level
their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done.
Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut
them off from medicine and healthcare? Too late. Someone already did
all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would
they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan,
only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd
slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled
orphans; they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs.
But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike
against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would
only be making common cause with the Taliban -- by raping once again
the people they've been raping all this time.
So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with
true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in
there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do
what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly
to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral
qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the
sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just
because some Americans would die fighting their way through
Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that, folks.
Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through
Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan
would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You
see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and
the West.
And guess what: That's bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he
wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's
all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the West. It
might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world
into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the West
wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with
nothing left to lose; that's even better from Bin Laden's point of
view. He's probably wrong -- in the end the West would win, whatever
that would mean -- but the war would last for years and millions would
die, not just theirs but ours.
Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else? 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1550000/1550982.stm
Letter from Afghanistan
    Pakistan has closed its gates to the Afghans
This piece has been written by one of the trapped Afghans at the
Pakistan border. He has a passport and valid visa but cannot get
across to join his family who are in Peshawar.
The unpleasant happening of last Tuesday - that timid terrorist action
- greatly depressed me and all the people of Afghanistan.
We would like to share our condolences with the people of the United
States, particularly with the families that lost their loved ones.
People are very worried because they have experienced the invasion of
the Russian Red Army and the civil war, and the bitterness of those
experiences is still with them
 We want to stretch our hands to assist those who have suffered, since
we have experienced something similar in our country in the past two
decades.
But unfortunately, except expressing our sorrow and sympathy, we can
do nothing else from this long distance.
We pray to Almighty Allah that such actions don't take place in the
future.
Migrating to safer places 
We have heard the rumours of the possibility of US military forces
attacking Afghanistan under the pretext of arresting Osama Bin Laden
and punishing the Taleban.
The people of Afghanistan, particularly those from the cities, are
wandering hither and thither.
All who have the ability to leave are migrating. 
The highways between the capital and provinces and centres of
provinces to rural areas are full of means of transportation and
vehicles.
 
 Those who can are leaving 
 Only those who cannot afford to leave the cities are waiting, looking
forward to an uncertain future.
The prices of food and other materials such as fuel are getting higher
and higher and have gone up by 10-15%.
'Do not act in haste' 
People are very worried because they have experienced the invasion of
the Russian Red Army and the civil war, and the bitterness of those
experiences is still with them.
Therefore, the government of the United States must not be in a hurry
to respond.
We accept that bearing such humanitarian concerns is very difficult
for the US Government and the people of America.
Afghans count America as one of their friends... the US should not
convert its friends to enemies
 But it is a fact that influential people and countries have great
patience.
Hurrying to respond to last week's attacks will have no other results
except bloodshed and devastation of the innocent people of
Afghanistan.
America has assisted Afghan people a lot, particularly during the time
of the uprising against the Russian invasion and the rehabilitation of
Afghanistan.
People here will never forget that and Afghans count America as one of
their friends.
The United States should keep this feeling in mind and not convert its
friends to enemies.
America must not spend millions of dollars to devastate the country on
which it has spent millions of dollars to fight against the Russians.
'Afghans have suffered' 
If America attacks Afghanistan it would result in innocent Afghans
suffering.
What will be the difference then between those who committed the
recent attacks in New York and Washington, and America?
Two million Afghans have fallen victim in the past two decades and up
to now the tears of orphans have not dried, the cries of widows have
not stopped.
America must not create thousands more widows and orphans. 
An end should be put to the sadness and worries of our people. 
In case, according to the US, the accused people are in Afghanistan,
what wrong have the innocent people of Afghanistan done?
Humanitarian crisis 
At a time when starvation and droughts are threatening our people, the
only hope our people have is the humanitarian assistance through NGOs
and the UN.
In case war breaks out, such aid will be stopped and as a result, the
world will be witness to a big humanitarian disaster.
At the end I would request you that these few points must not be
counted as mere words.
This is the voice that is expressed from the hearts of our people.

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Ciaociao
Luca

 Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." 
	Esattissimo.
	Ma queste cose le sappiamo tutti. Il problema e' che qui 
	c'e' qualcuno che chiede ancora che differenza c'e' fra 
	una iniezione letale e lapidare una donna. Capisci?  :-)
	Ciao,   Carlo

 wrote:

Ma come non lo sai? E' che la lapidazione non si conclude
necessariamente con la morte del reo, no? Molto piu' umana, ovvio..
Ciao,
Filippo

 una iniezione letale e lapidare una donna. Capisci?  :-)
Sei uno schifoso razzista che non ha rispetto delle culture e delle
tradizioni degli altri popoli.
Massacrare, mutilare, torturare, segregare per futili motivi e' giusto,
corretto e democratico ! L'importante e' che non siano dei luridi
capitalisti servi del profitto. Quello si' che sarebbe una cosa terribile.
Echecazzo ! Le torri non le hanno tirate giu' mica i terroristi ! No ! Sono
state le compagnie aeree che per avidita' hanno bloccato i progetti che
avrebbero aumentato la sicurezza.
lsd

 lsd
	Ah, ecco!  ;-)
	Ciao,   Carlo

 Ciao,   Carlo
byez
lsd

 wants. That's why he did this. 
non bisogna essere dei geni per capirlo, e per fortuna pare che 
gli USA abbiano saputo resistere alla tentazione di reagire 
immediatamente con azioni punitive che sarebbero state 
inutili e controproducenti.
chi pensa che si stiano limitando a schierare flotte e truppe per la
guerra non si è accorto che nello stesso tempo si stanno
svolgendo intensi contatti diplomatici con i paesi arabi, per 
allargare al massimo l'alleanza anti-terrorismo ed evitare proprio
di provocare reazioni negative in questi paesi.
già il fatto che Arafat si sia schierato con gli USA e che Sharon
abbia accettato (a malincuore) questo fatto va considerato un 
successo.
adesso stiamo a vedere, ma chi si aspetta immagini spettacolari
dalla CNN in stile Iraq-Kuwait credo (spero) che sarà deluso.
contro il terrorismo non si può agire facendosi annunciare 
dalla banda dei marines.
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 in stile Iraq-Kuwait credo (spero) che sarà deluso.
Purche' non sia un modo per poter poi raccontare - a "cose
fatte" - la realta' dei vincitori...
Andrea
salo...@mediacomm.it

 risposta a Geroge Chomsky Torrieri e non ad un sedicente marko.
	Alle sue edificanti parole, facevo notare a Torrieri
	che c'era comunque chi non vedeva la differenza fra
	la lapidazione e l'iniezione letale.
	Ciao,   Carlo


in effetti sono fondamentalmente due stronzate, azioni che la
coscienza magica emozionata crede in grado di allontanare il "male"
(alcuni usano i bombardieri con lo stesso scopo ) sembra inoltre che
quelli delle pietre le usino indiscriminatamente contro chi si e'
"meritata la punizione" mentre quelli del siringone lo usano solo su
chi non ha abbastanza soldi per pagare dei buoni avvocati.
Zorro