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Things That You See From Here: the Prisoners’
 Document by David Eden 
David Eden immigrated to Israel as a teenager, after a childhood spent
in the US and Peru. He joined a Hashomer Hatzair kibbutz after service
in an IDF combat unit. Active in Mapam (the socialist-Zionist party
that was a founding component of Meretz), he was former party chair
Elazar Granot's bureau chief in the late ‘80s. A graduate of the
Ruppin Institute's course in public administration, he later served as
treasurer of his kibbutz. Married to a Princeton, New Jersey resident
since the late ‘90s, he currently works for a social policy research
firm in the US. 
It may seem ironic that despite all the effort that Israel, the US,
and most of the EU countries put into trying to pressure the Hamas
government -- to recognize Israel, declare their opposition to the use
of violence and to accept the legitimacy of previously signed accords
between Israel and the PLO -- it is apparent that it is going to be
internal Palestinian pressure that will force this decision. Ironic,
but not surprising.
One of the most respected groups within Palestinian society, the
Palestinian prisoners are important participants in Palestinian
political life. Forcibly isolated from the daily struggle, organized
into groups based on party affiliation, the Palestinian prisoners have
not only forged bonds with each other across party lines, but have
also become some of the most savvy observers of Israeli politics and
society. They study Hebrew and avidly read the Israeli press.
One of the surprising results of their incarceration, is that many of
the prisoners become more politically sophisticated and lose some of
their extremism. In fact, many come to see that a compromise based on
a two-state solution is the only possible resolution of the conflict. 
So it is no surprise that their 18-point document, including the most
popular Fatah leader, Marwan Barghouti, includes the establishment of
a Palestinian state in the territories occupied by Israel in the West
Bank and Gaza in June 1967. Implicitly, this means the acceptance of
the existence of Israel, within the pre-67 borders. While most
Israelis would not find these borders acceptable, this proposal would
certainly be acceptable as the basis of negotiations. Over the years,
many other Palestinians, both individuals and groups, have held
similar positions. But the credibility carried by the Palestinian
prisoners is unique, and their statements have an influence that
reaches all sectors of Palestinian society. 
This document has served Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud
Abbas as a tool to force Hamas to confront its positions regarding the
future of negotiations with Israel. In declaring that if Hamas rejects
the plan, he will declare a referendum, Abbas is essentially forcing
Hamas to choose its future: either it adopts the plan and accepts
participating in negotiations with Israel; or it rejects the plan and
is seen by Palestinians as being responsible for the worsening
conditions in the PA. 
But the most significant thing about the proposed referendum, is that
the Palestinian population would be involved in deciding on which
approach they want their leaders to take in regards to the future:
either the path of negotiations represented by Abbas, and implicitly
endorsed by the prisoners, or continued conflict. And they are
probably as tired of the unending conflict as we are. 
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 a two-state solution is the only possible resolution of the conflict.
Bene.
Che se ne incarcerino di più <g>.
Tb
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luca logi > >Non so. Immagina che qualcuno scriva giudeoquesturino,
luca logi > > ti riterresti lusingato?
sergio > sarebbe di sicuro espressione di antisemitismo per i vari
tonigoebbels.

 Che se ne incarcerino di più <g>.
gia', perche' non riaprire qualche KL? e metterci magari tutti i civili
palestinesi da 0 giorni di vita a quelli piu' anziani. Almeno sono al
sicuro dalle stragi mirate israeliane.
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 Che se ne incarcerino di più <g>.
Pensa quanti potenziali moderati sono stati persi a causa dei TK.
Bisogna rivedere questa politica e tornare ai buoni vecchi processi.
No, Tb, stampare la foto di Perry Mason su un Maverick prima di 
lanciarlo non conta come processo.
Riot, l'elitista ademocratico

 Pensa quanti potenziali moderati sono stati persi a causa dei TK.
Oppure a quanti efferati assassini integralisti, radicali, e politicamente 
unsophisticated sono stati migliorati e recuperati dal carcere israeliano.
Una guerra terrorista diffusa è un po' un problema criminale, un po' una guerra 
vera e propria. Sostenere che sia solo una o solo l'altra cosa porta a 
conclusioni disoneste.
Per combattere questa creatura indefinibile non c'è che un compromesso variabile 
tra le armi della legge e quelle della pura forza. Privilegiando la legge quando 
la guerra si fa meno endemica e diventa quindi più propriamente criminale.
Ma con piena legittimità di usare la pura forza quando gli attacchi vengono da 
aree che non sono più sotto il controllo israeliano, come Gaza. E da cui al 
ritiro si è risposto con l'offensiva militare-terrorista.
Tb

 carcere israeliano.
Eh, sì. Di questo si parlava. Comunque voleva essere ironico, sei 
ipersensibile.
Riot, l'elitista ademocratico