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stringereste la mano all'avvocato che ha difeso Klaus Barbie ?

 stringereste la mano all'avvocato che ha difeso Klaus Barbie ?
In fondo, Klaus Barbie faceva parte di un partito perfettamente legale, 
che aveva come oppositori alcuni fanatici sostenitori del sionismo.
Sarebbe da veri kachettari definire qualcuno "antisemita" solo su queste 
pretestuose basi.
Tb
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TBLOG
http://www.tonibaruch.blogspot.com/
FALSO. E GLASSATO DI BLU:
http://tonibaruch.buzznet.com/user/?id=1653547
I CULOTASTIERATI:
http://tonibaruch.buzznet.com/user/?id=921717

 In fondo, Klaus Barbie faceva parte di un partito perfettamente legale,
Obliqua autocritica lib-stalinista? :)
Namib

NB:  La provincia dove e' stato condotto lo studio NON e' nel
"triangolo sunnita".
http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=EHKTKXOYLVOOVQFIQMFCNAGAVCBQYJVC?xml=/news/2005/10/23/wirq23.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/10/23/ixportaltop.html
Millions of Iraqis believe that suicide attacks against British troops
are justified, a secret military poll commissioned by senior officers
has revealed.
The poll, undertaken for the Ministry of Defence and seen by The Sunday
Telegraph, shows that up to 65 per cent of Iraqi citizens support
attacks and fewer than one per cent think Allied military involvement
is helping to improve security in their country.
The survey was conducted by an Iraqi university research team that, for
security reasons, was not told the data it compiled would be used by
coalition forces. It reveals:
· Forty-five per cent of Iraqis believe attacks against British and
American troops are justified - rising to 65 per cent in the
British-controlled Maysan province;
· 82 per cent are "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition
troops;
· less than one per cent of the population believes coalition forces
are responsible for any improvement in security;
· 67 per cent of Iraqis feel less secure because of the occupation;
· 43 per cent of Iraqis believe conditions for peace and stability
have worsened;
· 72 per cent do not have confidence in the multi-national forces.
The opinion poll, carried out in August, also debunks claims by both
the US and British governments that the general well-being of the
average Iraqi is improving in post-Saddam Iraq.
The findings differ markedly from a survey carried out by the BBC in
March 2004 in which the overwhelming consensus among the 2,500 Iraqis
questioned was that life was good. More of those questioned supported
the war than opposed it.
Under the heading "Justification for Violent Attacks", the new poll
shows that 65 per cent of people in Maysan province - one of the four
provinces under British control - believe that attacks against
coalition forces are justified.
The report states that for Iraq as a whole, 45 per cent of people feel
attacks are justified. In Basra, the proportion is reduced to 25 per
cent.
The report profiles those likely to carry out attacks against British
and American troops as being "less than 26 years of age, more likely to
want a job, more likely to have been looking for work in the last four
weeks and less likely to have enough money even for their basic needs".
Immediately after the war the coalition embarked on a campaign of
reconstruction in which it hoped to improve the electricity supply and
the quality of drinking water.
That appears to have failed, with the poll showing that 71 per cent of
people rarely get safe clean water, 47 per cent never have enough
electricity, 70 per cent say their sewerage system rarely works and 40
per cent of southern Iraqis are unemployed.

 per cent of southern Iraqis are unemployed.
Sarebbe interessante che il Ministero della Difesa italiano facesse lo 
stesso sondaggio a Nassyriah. Mi chiedo se le cifre si discosterebbero 
di molto...
Am.

http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=554
North Korea once again comes bottom of the Reporters Without Borders
fourth annual World Press Freedom Index, released today. It is closely
followed in the 167-country list by Eritrea (166th) and Turkmenistan
(165th), which are other "black holes" for news where the
privately-owned media is not allowed and freedom of expression does not
exist.
Journalists there simply relay government propaganda. Anyone out of
step is harshly dealt with. A word too many, a commentary that deviates
from the official line or a wrongly-spelled name and the author may be
thrown in prison or draw the wrath of those in power. Harassment,
psychological pressure, intimidation and round-the-clock surveillance
are routine.
East Asia (Burma 163rd, China 159th, Vietnam 158th, Laos 155th),
Central Asia (Turkmenistan 165th, Uzbekistan 155th, Afghanistan 125th,
Kazakhstan 119th) and the Middle East (Iran 164th, Iraq 157th, Saudi
Arabia 154th, Syria 145th) are where journalists have the toughest time
and where government repression or armed groups prevent the media
operating freely.
The situation in Iraq (157th) deteriorated further during the year as
the safety of journalists became more precarious. At least 24
journalists and media assistants have been killed so far this year,
making it the mostly deadly conflict for the media since World War II.
A total of 72 media workers have been killed since the fighting began
in March 2003.
But more and more African and Latin American countries (Benin 25th,
Namibia 25th, El Salvador 28th, Cape Verde 29th, Mauritius 34th, Mali
37th, Costa Rica 41st and Bolivia 45th) are getting very good rankings.
Western democracies slip back
Some Western democracies slipped down the Index. The United States
(44th) fell more than 20 places, mainly because of the imprisonment of
New York Times reporter Judith Miller and legal moves undermining the
privacy of journalistic sources. Canada (21st) also dropped several
places due to decisions that weakened the privacy of sources and
sometimes turned journalists into "court auxiliaries." France
(30th) also slipped, largely because of searches of media offices,
interrogations of journalists and introduction of new press offences.
At the top of the Index once again are northern European countries
Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands, where
robust press freedom is firmly established. The top 10 countries are
all European. New Zealand (12th), Trinidad and Tobago (12th), Benin
(25th) and South Korea (34th) are the highest-ranked countries in other
continents.
Press freedom, economic development and independence
Countries that have recently won their independence or have recovered
it are very observant of press freedom and give the lie to the
insistence of many authoritarian leaders that democracy takes decades
to establish itself. Nine states that have had independence (or
recovered it within the past 15 years) are among the top 60 countries -
Slovenia (9th), Estonia (11th), Latvia (16th), Lithuania (21st),
Namibia (25th), Bosnia-Herzegovina (33rd), Macedonia (43rd), Croatia
(56th) and East Timor (58th).
The Index also contradicts the frequent argument by leaders of poor and
repressive countries that economic development is a vital precondition
for democracy and respect for human rights. The top of the Index is
heavily dominated by rich countries, but several very poor ones (with a
per capita GDP of less than $1,000 in 2003) are among the top 60, such
as Benin (25th), Mali (37th), Bolivia (45th), Mozambique (49th),
Mongolia (53rd), Niger (57th) and East Timor (58th).
Metodo:
The index measures the state of press freedom in the world. It reflects
the degree of freedom journalists and news organisations enjoy in each
country, and the efforts made by the state to respect and ensure
respect for this freedom.
It is based solely on events between 1 September 2004 and 1 September
2005. It does not look at human rights violations in general, just
press freedom violations.
Reporters Without Borders compiled a questionnaire with 50 criteria for
assessing the state of press freedom in each country. It includes every
kind of violation directly affecting journalists (such as murders,
imprisonment, physical attacks and threats) and news media (censorship,
confiscation of issues, searches and harassment).
It registers the degree of impunity enjoyed by those responsible for
such violations. It also takes account of the legal situation affecting
the news media (such as penalties for press offences, the existence of
a state monopoly in certain areas and the existence of a regulatory
body) and the behaviour of the authorities towards the state-owned news
media and the foreign press. It also takes account of the main
obstacles to the free flow of information on the Internet.
We have taken account not only of abuses attributable to the state, but
also those by armed militias, clandestine organisations or pressure
groups that can pose a real threat to press freedom.
The questionnaire was sent to partner organisations of Reporters
Without Borders (14 freedom of expression groups in five continents)
and its 130 correspondents around the world, as well as to journalists,
researchers, jurists and human rights activists. A scale devised by the
organisation was then used to give a country-score to each
questionnaire. The Statistics Institute of the University of Paris
provided assistance and advice in processing the data reliably and
thoroughly.
The 167 countries ranked are those for which we received completed
questionnaires from a number of independent sources. Others were not
included because of a lack of credible data. Where countries tied, they
are listed in alphabetical order.
The index should in no way be taken as an indication of the quality of
the press in the countries concer
Classifica:
Primi:
1	Denmark
-	Finland
-	Iceland
-	Ireland
-	Netherlands
-	Norway
-	Switzerland
...
42	Italy
...
44	United States of America (American territory)
...
47	Israel
...
132	Palestinian Authority
...
137	United States of America (in Iraq)	
...
167	North Korea

Daniel Goetz e' stato rimandato in Iraq una seconda volta contro la sua
volonta' attraverso lo "stop-loss program", una clausola capestro che
permette all'esercito di prolungare il termine di servizio dei soldati
oltre a quanto stabilito all'arruolamento.
Incazzato, ha iniziato un blog in cui parlava della vera situazione in
cui si trova l'Iraq e i soldati USA.  Il suo Blog ha ricevuto un sacco
di pubblicita' attraverso il sito www.operationtruth.org... ed e' stato
improvvisamente chiuso.
L'ultimo messaggio spiega perche'.   Notare il titolo
Immagino il De Cesari e il Romanato di turno ci diranno che un'altro
oppositore della guerra e' stato convinto dai fatti.
http://goetzit.blogspot.com/
Double Plus Ungood
I thank all of you who have been so supportive recently. I have never
before received so much positive feedback, and it was very
heart-warming to know that so many people out there care. Having said
that, it breaks my heart to say that this will be my last post on this
blog. I wish I could just stop there, but I can not. The following also
needs to be said:
For the record, I am officially a supporter of the administration and
of her policies. I am a proponent for the war against terror and I
believe in the mission in Iraq. I understand my role in that mission,
and I accept it. I understand that I signed the contract which makes
stop loss legal, and I retract any statements I made in the past that
contradict this one. Furthermore, I have the utmost confidence in the
leadership of my chain of command, including (but not limited to) the
president George Bush and the honorable secretary of defense Rumsfeld.
If I have ever written anything on this site or on others that lead the
reader to believe otherwise, please consider this a full and complete
retraction.
I apologize for any misunderstandings that might understandably arise
from this. Should you continue to have questions, please feel free to
contact me through e-mail. I promise to respond personally to each, but
it may take some time; my internet access has become restricted.

 it may take some time; my internet access has become restricted.
Non credo che ci sia molto da stupirsi dopo la brutta fine del NY 
Times, e altri giornali americani. Speriamo che questo maccartismo 
mascherato da patriottismo finisca dopo la' nuttata (che magari durera' 
anni).
Am.

oppositore della guerra e' stato convinto dai fatti.
Non e' mai stato "oppositore alla guerra", caro fessacchiotto di un
Torrieri :)
-Stefano

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Speriamo.
Questa di "mettere in chiaro" che lui,in realta', "ufficialmente
sostiene bush e la guerra in Iraq" e "smentisce qualunque cosa abbia
scritto prima che puo essere interpretata diversamente" ricorda l'URSS
durante Stalin :-/
GT

interpretata diversamente" ricorda l'URSS durante Stalin :-/
Certo, certo... :)
*pat pat*
-Stefano

Ricordate Fallujah un'anno fa?
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http://tinyurl.com/85r2n
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3587931.stm
'Horrific' Iraq deaths shock US
The men's vehicles were ambushed in the flashpoint town of Falluja
The US has condemned the killing and dismembering of four American
civilian
contractors in Iraq.
The White House said it deplored the "horrific attacks" but vowed the
US
would not be deflected from its mission to bring democracy to Iraq.
The four men were shot and burnt in their cars in Falluja, before a
cheering
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Beh, dopo un'anno le cose sono cambiate!  Cioe, succede di nuovo, ma
adesso l'esercito riesce a nasconderlo, almeno per qualche giorno.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/22/wirq122.xml
The mob grew more frenzied as the gunmen dragged the two surviving
Americans from the cab of their bullet-ridden lorry and forced them to
kneel on the street.
Killing one of the men with a rifle round fired into the back of his
head, they doused the other with petrol and set him alight. Barefoot
children, yelping in delight, piled straw on to the screaming man's
body to stoke the flames.
It had taken just one wrong turn for disaster to unfold. Less than a
mile from the base it was heading to, the convoy turned left instead of
right and lumbered down one of the most anti-American streets in Iraq,
a narrow bottleneck in Duluiya town, on a peninsular jutting into the
Tigris river named after the Jibouri tribe that lives there.
As the lorries desperately tried to reverse out, dozens of Sunni Arab
insurgents wielding rocket launchers and automatic rifles emerged from
their homes.
The gunmen were almost certainly emboldened by the fact that the
American soldiers escorting the convoy would not have been able to
respond quickly enough.
"The hatches of the humvees were closed," said Capt Andrew Staples, a
member of the Task Force Liberty 1-15 battalion that patrols Duluiya
and other small towns on the eastern bank of the Tigris, who spoke to
soldiers involved.
Within minutes, four American contractors, all employees of the
Halliburton subsidiary Kellog, Brown & Root, were dead. The jubilant
crowd dragged their corpses through the street, chanting anti-US
slogans. An investigation has been launched into why the contractors
were not better protected.
Perhaps fearful of public reaction in America, where support for the
war is falling, US officials suppressed details of the Sept 20 attack,
which bore a striking resemblance to the murder of four other
contractors in Fallujah last year.
Duluiya, located in the notorious Sunni triangle, is much smaller than
Fallujah but no less violent, even if events here rarely make the news.
The violence here seems to encapsulate the growing difficulties the US
military is facing in trying to defeat the insurgency. Pinned down by a
constant stream of hit-and-run attacks from former Saddam regime
loyalists, American soldiers are unable to focus their attention on the
foreign extremists who pose a far more dangerous threat to the future
of Iraq.
Yet it is here that the battle against the suicide bombers must be won.
The isolated towns east of the Tigris supply the foreign fighters and
their allies and provide a haven where they can regroup after American
offensives on their urban strongholds.
If the Americans do not close off these boltholes, it seems unlikely
the war can be won.
But hopes for progress are growing more remote. The insurgency in
eastern Salahuddin province is growing more intense, more deadly and
more sophisticated.
Lt Col Gary Brito, the battalion's commanding officer, said that in
recent months the number of roadside bombs targeting his men had
increased by a third - even though journeys out of base have been cut
back. They are having a more devastating effect too.
"Before only two out of 10 used to be effective," he said. "Now four or
five have a catastrophic effect, blowing away a vehicle or causing
casualties." In the past few months at least four American soldiers in
this battalion alone have been killed. Another 39 have been wounded.
Even routine patrols are fraught with danger.
"What the hell was that," shouted Lt Chris Baldwin as a huge explosion
rocked Baker Company's convoy of humvees trundling along a street in
Dour, another town under Lt Col Brito's watch.
"Contact! Contact!" he bellowed into his radio as the gunners opened
fire on a row of nearby houses from where the rocket-propelled
anti-tank missile was fired.
As the gunfire died down, the soldiers burst into house after house,
their facades peppered with bullet holes.
But, as is so often the case, the attacker had vanished down one of
Dour's maze-like alleys.
Instead the Americans were confronted with sullen Iraqis, holding their
terrified children to their sides. An old woman sat on her bed,
clutching her heart, as the soldiers interrogated the family.
"They heard nothing, they saw nothing, same as ******* usual," said Sgt
Jody Miller. Taking another deep drag from his cigarette, he turned to
the company's translator.
"Tell them to tell us where the bad guys are so we stop frigging
shooting up their houses," he said.
Nobody was hurt but the mutual distrust between the Americans and the
local community deepened just a little bit more.

adesso l'esercito riesce a nasconderlo, almeno per qualche giorno.
E tu ti sei fatto una bella sega dopo aver saputo che li avevano
ammazzati?
-Stefano

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Dittatura, ancora non li mettono al muro, tra non molto......
La tigre di carta sta marcendo.
Saluti Cad Ali'
 
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hit and had fallen.
SdC: E in quei 4 minuti cosa ha fatto la ragazzina?
"Di bambini nei capi [sic] di sterminio ve ne furono ben pochi.  E molti
di loro si salvarono."
"non esiste che qualcuno sia a priori "vittima" per il solo
fatto di essere ferito o morto".
 "Quanto alal [sic] 'Kristallnacht' nulla ha mai dimostrato il
coinvolgimento di Hitler e del partito nazista" 
(
news:42076FEE...@people.it
).
Am.

 (
news:42076FEE...@people.it
).
Nessuna smentita :)
Datti da fare caro *FESSO MONONEURONE* :)
-Stefano

 -Stefano
Continua a sognare, come se la tua infamia di avvelenatore dei pozzi 
non fosse cose nota.  In altri tempi ti si sarebbe marchiato a fuoco e 
decapitato.
Qui ti si ride addosso. Goditela.
Am.

Qui ti si ride addosso.
*ROTFL*
Detta da te fa veramente pisciarsi addosso dal ridere :)
-Stefano

 Bravo!
Casomai il lettore di Dumas. Ma tu non sai  nulla di Milady. Non ne hai 
la bellezza, e compensi con l'ignoranza, persino  dei Tre Moschettieri.
Meglio lasciarti marcire nella tua latrina da ebefrenico, Kristallnacht...
Am.

Meglio lasciarti marcire nella tua latrina da ebefrenico, 
...disse il povero *COGLIONE EBEFRENICO* affetto da ADHD... :)
-Stefano

 -Stefano
Bada che come pappagallo ti potresti prendere l'influenza aviaria...
Am.

Bada che come pappagallo ti potresti prendere l'influenza aviaria...
...disse il bue all'asino... :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 Bada che come pappagallo ti potresti prendere l'influenza aviaria...
A meno che il virus nn muti, de cesari e piccioni ne sono immuni :-)

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Francamente, non mi piace vedere ucciso nessuno.  Ne' quando i
partigiani Italiani uccidevano gli occupanti della Wehrmacht, ne'
quando i partigiani Irakeni uccidono
gli occupanti USA.
Ma qualche volta, purtroppo, l'unico modo per fermare l'aggressione e'
far capire all'aggressore che la sua forza ha un limite, e sono
contento che sia la resistenza Irakena a farlo, proprio come Hezbollah
lo ha fatto qualche anno fa
in Libano.  Abbastanza contento da fregarmene altamente delle idee dei
resistenti sui diritti delle donne e l'autenticita' dei protocolli dei
Savi di Sion, proprio come non mi metterei a fare le pulci sulle idee
dei nostri partigiani riguardo allo Stalinismo durante la 2nda GM.
Se i sogni a occhi aperti di Tonibaruch e quelli come lui
sull'invasione dell'Iran probabilmente restano tali, e' solo e
unicamente merito della resistenza Irakena.
Se oggi Bush e' impopolare nel suo stesso paese, e' merito al 99% della
resistenza Irakena.
E considerando i morti _civili_ che Bush e le sue guerre hanno
prodotto, 2,000 morti fra gente che ha volontariamente deciso di andare
a occupare un'altro paese (e che, in buona parte, e' animata da
razzismo anti-Arabo bello e buono) non e' un prezzo molto alto da
pagare.
GT

 gli occupanti USA.
Rotfl e chiudo.
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non e' un prezzo molto alto da pagare.
Specialmente quando non lo paghi tu, vero?
-Stefano

 Savi di Sion
Tutto ciò mi pare semplicemente delirante.
Non riesco, in nessun modo, a sentire la benchè minima
solidarietà, per quanto io mi ritenga assolutamente anti imperialista,
con Izbollah o con Al Qaida e satelliti vari..
Niet, tovarich: il nemico del mio nemico col cazzo è mio amico se è
peggiore del mio nemico.
-- 
Chaos A.D.		|	Raging crowd
Tanks on the streets	|	Burning cars
Confronting police	|	Bloodshed starts
Bleeding the Plebs	|	Who'll be alive?

 con Izbollah o con Al Qaida e satelliti vari..
Al Qaeda non e' "resistenza", ma un branco di Stragisti che
stanno, intenzionalmente o no, aiutando Bush e la sua cricca.
Hizbollah e' un'altra cosa.  Aldila' della loro idelogia, hanno
liberato il loro paese da un'occupazione straniera. Questo mi pare "un
pochino" importante, a te no?
GT

liberato il loro paese da un'occupazione straniera.
Ma che stronzate stai dicendo????
Hizbollah ha consegnato il Libano alla Siria, che ne ha avuto il
controllo fino a quando i *VERI LIBANESI* hanno scelto di cacciarli a
calci in culo.
-Stefano

 Hizbollah e' un'altra cosa.
Ah, già
(btw. ti faccio presente che nel tuo post si fa anche riferimento alla
'resistenza irachena')
Cos'è, dunque, izbollah?
E soprattutto, da chi era occupato il Libano?
Da Israele, certo.
Ma non solo, mi risulta.
Mi fa specie che tu ignori che l'invasione israeliana durò solo
pochi mesi, che avvenne solo a causa di attacchi partiti dal
territorio libanese contro Israele e che il casino libanese era
decisamente precedente a tale episodio.
Curioso che tu dimentichi che la vera invasione, durata fino a pochi mesi
orsono, fu quella siriana.
Curioso che tu identifichi izbollah, un gruppo *sciita* con una resistenza
popolare libanese.
Veramente curioso: verrebbe quasi da pensare che tu abbia volutamente
evitato di considerare la composizione etnico-religiosa della popolazione
di quel paese.
E ribadisco: non potrò mai tifare per un gruppo di sanguinari fanatici
religiosi, neanche se combattessero contro i marziani.
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 popolare libanese.
OK, del Libano non sai nulla.
Gli Sciiti sono, in questo momento, la fazione Libanese piu' numerosa.
Il fatto che questo non venga riflettuto nella composizione
parlamentare
e' a causa del sistema elettorale, che assegna una determinata quota a
ogni gruppo etnico.
GT
PS:  Un mio carissimo amico, qua a Montreal, e' Cristiano-Libanese.
Non ha grandi simpatie per Hizbollah, ma non esita a chiamarli
"movimento di Liberazione".
E, per quanto sia stato entusiasticamente per le manifestazioni
anti-Siriane,
E una volta mi ha detto:  "pero' guarda che dopotutto il Libano
e' piu' democratico degli USA.  Immagina cosa sarebbe successo se
manifestazioni
simili ci fossero state in Iraq.   Ci sarebbero migliaia di morti, che
la stampa
liquiderebbe subito come sospetti terroristi.
GT

che la stampa liquiderebbe subito come sospetti terroristi.
Certo, certo... :)
*pat pat*
-Stefano

 PS:  Un mio carissimo amico, qua a Montreal, e' Cristiano-Libanese.
Lo conosco! Si chiama Georges Tourriere.
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