Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Palestina ed Israele? Leggere le...

.. fonti originali! E' incredibile cosa si trova in rete, dalla
originale
risoluzione UN si possono  trarre molte conclusioni e, soprattutto,
by-passare quel veicolo di disinformazione che sono i giornalisti
italiani,
che bisogno c'e' di leggere un giornale per sapere di una risoluzione
dell'UN quando la si puo' trovare in rete? 
A/RES/181(II) (A+B) 29 November 1947
Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/6232f2ac638dc241852560e5005c1f2b?OpenDocument
di cui basilare accompagnamento sono le carte, 
in particolare quella annessa al documento
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/maps/M0103_1b.gif
Per una versione piu' dettagliata del 1947 (scan con traccie dello
scotch che tiene insieme la carta, non ho parole)
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/maps/M0082c.gif
in ogni caso c'e' una mega riserva di mappe sotto:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/pal_maps.htm
che direi copre quasi ogni aspetto della questione
c'e' uno schematico Department of Public Information
1 October 1994
THE UNITED NATIONS & THE QUESTION OF PALESTINE
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/ec8db69f77e7a33e052567270057e591/3b58e8d0adf62b5f852561230077c62d!OpenDocument
ovviamente essendo un documento di "reference" certe cose sono
dette obliquamente, tipo:
[..]
While in the middle of negotiations between the parties, Count
Bernadotte was shot and killed on 17 September 1948 in the
Israeli-held sector of Jerusalem. Ralph Bunche, of the United States,
was appointed as Acting Mediator.
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certe cose comunque sono troppo evidenti anche in, per cosi' dire, un
linguaggio diplomatico.
[..]
Conditions in the Palestinian territory during more than 20 years of
military occupation, including land confiscation, settlement by
Israeli settlers and restrictions of civil liberties, contributed to
the eruption of the intifadah. Palestinians from all walks of life -
youth, merchants, labourers, women and children - have since been
involved in massive demonstrations, economic boycotts, strikes, tax
resistance and stone-wielding protests.
[..]
They have submitted reports on the severe measures, including the use
of live ammunition against demonstrators and punitive beatings,
adopted by the occupation authorities. Well over 1,000 Palestinians
have been killed and tens of thousands injured during the intifadah.
Thousands of Palestinians were detained, thousands transferred to
prisons in Israel, and many deported from the occupied Palestinian
territory. The reports described instances of maltreatment and torture
in gaol, lethal use of tear-gas, excessive use of live ammunition,
beatings and other severe measures. The occupation authorities had
also increasingly resorted to various forms of collective reprisal,
such as demolition of houses, imposition of prolonged curfews and
restrictive economic measures.
[..]
questo sui settlers, buoni quelli!
[..]
 Acts of violence and aggression by Israeli settlers had increased in
both scope and gravity, the reports said.
[..]
Notare che in questa intifada, la prima, i morti palestinesi sono
davvero molti.
E' davvero fenomenale pensare a quanta propaganda ci vuole per andare
a scrivere,
o a dire in televisione, che gli Israeliani hanno offerto la pace ed
hanno ricevuto solo terrorismo,
ma dove? ma quando? vedasi url in fondo al post.
[..]
Well over 1,000 Palestinians have been killed and tens of thousands
injured during the intifadah. Thousands of Palestinians were detained,
thousands transferred to prisons in Israel, and many deported from the
occupied Palestinian territory.
[..]
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ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS IN THE OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORY
As early as 1971, there had been evidence of an emerging Israeli
policy of establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab
territories occupied since 1967. From 1977 on, the establishment of
Israeli settlements was accelerated, and continues to this date.
Today, there are about 120,000 settlers in the West Bank, not
including East Jerusalem, and 4,000 in the Gaza Strip.
[..]
Today = 1994, data del rapporto.
[..]
Addressing the issue in March 1979, the Security Council reaffirmed
the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits
settlements in occupied territory, and declared that Israeli policy
and practice regarding settlements had "no legal validity and
constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just
and lasting peace in the Middle East".
[..]
spesso si parla sul tema, terrorismo palestinese, e quello israeliano?
[..]
In June 1980, following assassination attempts against the mayors of
three Palestinian towns, the Council called upon
[..]
altro tema, quanto di buona volonta' fossero gli Israeliani
[..]
In 1992, after the coming to power of a Labour Government in Israel,
there were hopes for significant change in the settlement policy. The
Labour Party's platform vowed that new settlements would not be
established, and existing settlements would not be expanded except for
those in "Greater Jerusalem", the Jordan Valley and the Golan Heights.
Settlements in the latter two regions were referred to as "security
settlements" as opposed to "political settlements", which had been
established in and around Palestinian population centres. But outside
the above-mentioned regions, the new Government remained committed to
building or completing an additional 11,000 new units in the
territories, capable of housing 50,000 more Israeli settlers.	The
Greater Jerusalem area, encompassing today about 100 square miles
radiating from the Old City, continues to be open for settlement.
[..]
[..]
But violence exploded again: on 25 February 1994, the killing of some
30 Palestinian worshippers in the Mosque of Ibrahim in Hebron by an
Israeli settler, following attacks against settlers by Palestinians,
was universally condemned and caused great concern for the future of
the peace process, renewing calls for some form of international
protection for Palestinians.
[..]
e qui si chiude il  rapporto del 1994. La Storia di Israele, una
storia di violazioni di
risoluzioni UN e di violenza istituzionalizzata, e come tutte le cose
alla fine i nodi vengono al pettine.
Ci sono comunque in linea risorse molto vaste, sempre l'UN
ha in linea una 
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
breve riassunto con vari link - ad esempio all'immensa
e notevole analisi storica in pratica dal tempo dell'Impero Ottomano
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/dpr/DPR_pp_1.htm
ad oggi
troppo spesso si parla di  ostilita' Araba ingiustificata etc.. etc..
o
che gli Arabi hanno avuto il "first blood" mentre gli Ebrei erano i
pacifici..
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During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to
secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The
indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the
land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be
a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed
it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the
Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the
war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian
Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the
Second World War drew to a close.
[..]
[..]
The Zionists drew on this ancient spiritual potential to build a
political movement. A stirring slogan was spread abroad:
"A land without people for a people without land"
ignoring the fact that the Palestinians themselves, well over half a
million at the turn of the century, lived in Palestine, that it was
their home. The great Zionist humanist, Ahad Ha'am warned against the
violation of the rights of the Palestinian people, and his words are
well known in the literature of Palestine.
"... Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances
arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in
Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the
Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and
this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They
treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their
rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and
nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
[..]
Volevo chiudere qui, poi mi e' venuta in mente una migliore chiusura,
perche' si possono violare i diritti altrui, usare la violenza e
l'inganno,
ignorare risoluzioni e buonsenso e, alla fine...
"I've got to say this, he was a real man," said one eye-witness,
describing a Palestinian gunman who,  after shooting down shoppers at
will in the town of Kfar Sava on March 17th,  walked into a hail of
automatic fire, shooting his pistol until he fell.
.. e alla fine si va al "last man standing", pero' non e' un film.
Bye
Links alle cartine:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/gaza_1992.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/wbank_93.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/jewish_land_use.gif
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http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/cartes/taba2001
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e al fallimento dei negoziati
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http://MondeDiplo.com/2001/09/01middleeastleader
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 ultima citazione da Mar 28th 2002 | JERUSALEM  From The Economist
print edition

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Menomale, č da poco che leggo questo newsgroup ma mi sono accorto che
Serenissima č una persona di coerenza e ne condivido in pieno le sue idee,
menomale che fa evitare che questo newsgroup sia riempito dai sun tsu e
arduini...


Bravo tirapiedi.
Ad'I

 arduini...
E' un'anno e mezzo che scrivo su questo NG. Ddevo malamente dire che adesso
č diventato un troiaio.

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Stavo pensando che in fondo la vita per te deve essere semplice,
e forse, a tuo modo, devi anche essere fortunato.
Io anche se mi sforzo non riesco ad immaginarmi un mondo diviso in
due parti nette senza sfumature intermedie, te evidentemente si.
La cosa interessante e' anche la proiezione della tua Weltanschauung
sugli altri: una rigida scala gerarchica con i capi e i tirapiedi.
Solo una cosa mi domando, quando cio' che accade nella realta' non
puo' essere spiegato con il tuo modello interpretativo "bianco o nero"
cosa fai? Lasci cadere il tuo modello o lasci cadere la realta'?
Bye
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Links alle cartine:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/gaza_1992.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/wbank_93.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/jewish_land_use.gif
http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/cartes/taba2001
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e al fallimento dei negoziati
http://MondeDiplo.com/2001/09/01middleeastleader
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all'UN
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/ec8db69f77e7a33e052567270057e591/3b58e8d0adf62b5f852561230077c62d!OpenDocument
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alla fine i nodi vengono al pettine.
...certo che a leggere 'sta roba viene voglia di vedere "sparito" lo
stato "abusivo" di Israele.
ehe
Carlo (mah... sempre più dura essere buoni, in questo mondo, non ne
sono capace...)
ps: in ogni caso che non mi si pari un rabbino davanti alla bici
domani mentre vado a lezione... ho i freni che non mi funzionano molto
bene ultimamente... ehehe...
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