Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Mosca: Un morto e centinaia di feriti in scontri fra polizia e manifestanti democratici

Ooooops... Solo che non e' Mosca. e' Tallinn.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6598269.stm
The Estonian authorities have removed a contentious Red Army war
memorial in the capital, Tallinn, despite overnight protests that left
one person dead.
More than 40 people were injured and 300 arrested during clashes at
the site as police used tear gas to disperse mainly ethnic Russian
demonstrators.
...

 demonstrators.
Immagino che applaudirai all'ordine ristabilito contro questi facinorosi 
democratici russi.
Tb
-- 
רפוה שלמה לחולה פרנץ בן יוסף וחנה

 Ooooops... Solo che non e' Mosca. e' Tallinn.
Le cose non cambiano rispetto a Genova e a tanti altri posti:
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By Thursday evening, around 1,000 demonstrators gathered
as police sealed off the site ahead of the removal. 
There were reports of looting and vandalism, and police
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used tear gas and water cannon when a group tried to
break through a cordon around the monument.
Several police were among the injured, reports said. 
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Ma il Torrieri si dimentica di citare simili fatti :)
-Stefano

 democratici russi.
tu lo farai, vero, cane idrofobo slavofobo?

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e ci mancherebbe altro che il fascistone De Cesari non si schieri
dalla parte degli sbirri....oggi gli idioti vanno in giro in coppia?

 cane idrofobo slavofobo?
Rotfl.
Ah, miguelito, non avevi detto che avresti copincollato e basta?
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 Tb
lo farò esattamente da quando l'avevo già stabilito per i cazzi miei,
ovvero dal primo maggio, non cambio idea per un gruppo di mentecatti
che spero essere pagati per stare qui 24 ore al giorno....

 lo farò esattamente da quando l'avevo già stabilito per i cazzi miei,
L'avevi già stabilito e annunciato.
Sei un bugiardo o sei incapace di autocontrollarti?
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 dalla parte degli sbirri....oggi gli idioti vanno in giro in coppia?
PS: Foto della BBC
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42854000/jpg/_42854137_teargas_ap416.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42854000/jpg/_42854227_chain_ap416.jpg
Lasciano pochi dubbi che a iniziare la violenza e' stata la polizia.
GT

 Lasciano pochi dubbi che a iniziare la violenza e' stata la polizia.
Non è dato sapere cosa le due foto abbiano suggerito alla vivace fantasia di 
Torrieri, e come agli abbia dedotto con "pochi dubbi" che le cronache degli 
scontri sono false e da riscrivere.
Educated guess?
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Educated guess?
Molto probabile :)
-Stefano

 Non è dato sapere cosa le due foto abbiano suggerito alla vivace fantasia diTorrieri,
La prima suggerisce che la polizia sta caricando, con manganelli e
getti d'acqua, una folla che non sta neanche tentando di reagire.  La
seconda, un gruppo di giovani che sta, in puro stile Ghandiano,
proteggendo non violentemente col loro corpo il monumento.
Vorrei vedere la reazione se una repressione simile fosse successa a
Mosca.
NB:Le due manifestazioni, molto probabilmente, sono state organizzate
dalle stesse forze politiche.
GT

 dei media, e che tutto va benissimo. Tu sei d'accordo vero?
come lo sei tu quando i suoi sgherri organizzano manifestazioni per
Israele...

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ah beh se non è Mosca ma è Tallin si puo anche far finta di nulla e
non mostrare in tv la brutalità della polizia.
Che poi ci si scontri per difendere un monumento a chi è caduto mentre
combatteva contro il nazismo preoccupa ancor meno i nostri demogratigi
a corrente alternata.

 dalle stesse forze politiche.
Hai visto bandiere nazionalbolsceviche? Se sì, tutto diventa più chiaro.
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 Premesso che condanno le violenze da qualunque parte siano venute.
Condemn away quest'altra "democrazia":
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/23/1350224
Irish Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire Shot With Rubber Bullet by
Israeli Military at Nonviolent Protest
Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and tear gas at a non-violent
protest against the separation wall near the West Bank village of
Bilin. Several protesters were injured including the Nobel Peace
laureate Mairead Maguire who was shot with a rubber bullet. She joins
us on the line from Ireland. [includes rush transcript]
AMY GOODMAN: Israeli forces have killed eight Palestinians over the
past two days, including a seventeen-year-old girl and a Palestinian
police officer. Meanwhile, Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and
tear gas at a nonviolent protest against the separation wall near the
West Bank village of Bilin. Several protesters were injured, including
the Nobel Peace Prize winner Mairead Maguire. She was shot with a
rubber bullet. She returned yesterday to Ireland, where she joins us
now on the line. Welcome to Democracy Now!, Mairead Maguire.
MAIREAD MAGUIRE: Good afternoon, Amy, and to all your listeners.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you tell us what happened?
MAIREAD MAGUIRE: Yes. I was invited with my friend to attend a
nonviolent conference in Bilin, a village outside Ramallah, and to
give a talk there, which I did. At the end of the conference, we were
invited to participate in a nonviolent demonstration with some of the
Palestinian members of parliament, including Dr. Barghouti, and
Israeli peace activists and local villagers and international visitors
from over several hundred countries so -- or several hundred
international peace activists from over twenty countries.
We walked along to try to walk up toward the separation wall, and it
was a totally nonviolent protest. And we were viciously attacked by
the Israeli military. They threw gas canisters into the peace walkers,
and they also fired rubber-covered steel bullets. As I tried to move
back and helping a French lady, I was shot in the leg with a rubber-
covered steel bullet, and the young Israeli soldier who shot me was
only twenty meters from me. I was stunned by it, and then later on,
after having some treatment by the ambulance medics, I went back down
to the front line with the peace activists, and we were again showered
with gas. I was overcome and had a severe nosebleed and had to be
taken by stretcher to the ambulance and treated.
And I witnessed there a Palestinian woman, maybe around in her
sixties, and an old Palestinian man with blood on his face. These were
over twenty-five unarmed peace people who had been viciously attacked
by the Israeli military. And it was a completely peaceful protest. It
was absolutely unbelievable. I never in all my years of activism
witnessed anything so vicious as from the Israeli military.
AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to the Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead
Maguire, who just came from the West Bank town of Bilin. Can you
describe the wall there, the wall that you were protesting?
MAIREAD MAGUIRE: Yes, the wall is being built right through the
village of Bilin, and the villagers' land is being cut off. This wall
is actually not so much a security wall, as it is really a wall that
is taking in yet more of Palestinian land. The Palestinians have lost
two-thirds of their land. When I was walking along that road, my
interpreter from the press conference earlier in the day told me that
he had owned ten acres of land on the other side of the wall, that the
Israeli authorities had moved in, confiscated his land, uprooted his
olive trees, which are 400 years old, and taken the olive trees to
Jerusalem, and they were planted in Israeli settlements in Jerusalem.
So this is a wall, which is -- it is an apartheid wall. It's dividing
the people. But this is also by domination and control, which is what
the word "apartheid" means. So, I mean, this kind of repression of the
Palestinian people and the occupation which is going on -- now, the
anniversary is June the 9th, when it's forty years occupied -- this
will not bring peace or security to Israel, which we all want to see.
This will bring division and suffering, uninhibited. The international
community needs to demand that the occupation end.
AMY GOODMAN: You won the Nobel Peace Prize, Mairead Maguire, in 1976.
Why? What actions were you engaged in then, some thirty years ago?
MAIREAD MAGUIRE: Well, in 1976, we were in a very dangerous position
in Northern Ireland. We were in the brink of civil war. Three of my
sister's young children were all killed. And we started a peace
movement. Our message was, this problem will not be solved through
violence; it can only be done through dialogue and through
nonviolence. And today in Northern Ireland, we are very glad we have
our peace, and we are moving towards a more normal society. I believe
the message from Northern Ireland, that you cannot solve these
problems through state violence, militarism, paramilitarism, suicide
bombs; you cannot solve these problems through violence, but only
through nonviolence. That's a message that is beginning to be heard
more and more in Israel and in Palestine.
AMY GOODMAN: Mairead Maguire, I want to thank you for being with us,
joining us from Ireland, just having returned from the West Bank.

 Condemn aw[cut]
E per finire una bella svicolata. Bravo Torrieri.
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