Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Radical Israelis Prefer Murderers

http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2011/04/radical-israelis-prefer-murderers.html
For years I've believed - and have said in print - that for all my
disagreements with far-left Israelis, they were a legitimate voice and
deserved respect for criticizing from inside the war zone: if proven
wrong, they'd be here to pay the price; when Palestinian or Hisballah
murderers do their best to kill random Israeli Jews, the far-left
Israelis are here along with all the rest of us. This creates a
qualitative distinction between them and their foreign fellows in
malice.
I'm no longer convinced. As I've long been documenting in this blog,
the contribution Israel's radicals make to the Big Lie against Israel
is immense; sometimes the entire anti-Israeli argumentation comes from
them. Absent them and the hatred of the Jewish State wouldn't go away,
but its purveyors could present far fewer arguments.
This week we've had a further example which to my mind crosses all the
lines of simple human decency. The Hebrew part of the Internet has
been all a-buzz about the story of the Israeli radicals who went to
the West Bank town of Awarta to give succor to the families of the
murderers of the Fogel family, while disseminating unforgivable
slander against the IDF and the law enforcement agencies.
The story of the investigation was under a gag order for a month,
until its successful conclusion. Still, Israel being the very small
place it is, anybody who cared to know had a pretty good idea what was
going on. In brief, immediately after the murder trackers identified
tracks of the suspected murderers from Itamar to the nearby town of
Awarta. We now know that the two suspected murderers walked back home
after the massacre of the Fogel family, where a number of their
friends and relatives burned their clothes and hid their weapons near
Ramallah. The investigators, who had reason to believe the murderers
and potential accomplices were in town, but couldn't yet have known
who, how many, how well armed, and if they intended to murder again,
sealed off the town and began to investigate. At a minimum, the
investigators knew the murderers had the two M-16's stolen from
Itamar. At one point they collected DNA samples from most of the men.
Had anyone come forward and admitted their part in the massacre the
investigation would have been greatly expedited, but this didn't
happen, so the investigators had to find their men in a hostile
environment. They succeeded in less than a month. The week before the
gag order was lifted the suspected murderers were brought to Itamar to
re-enact the murder, so everyone in Itamar knew they'd been caught;
soon, everyone else who cared knew, too, even if the precise
identities of the murderers were not yet known.
At this point a delegation of radical Israeli leftists visited the
town: after the investigation, mind you, since as they openly said in
their subsequent reports, during the investigation itself they
couldn't get in.
There are two extraordinarily incriminating pieces of evidence for the
malice of the radicals. The first is a report by Yaakov Manor, of the
Alternative Information Center. It was written in Hebrew, and
published on their website. It describes the violence of the Israeli
forces, and attributes it to their need for revenge. It is based
largely on eye-witness reports of local townspeople, the exact same
people who had been obstructing the investigation for most of the
month. The head of the town informs Manor that the reason the IDF
spent so much time in town was to prepare the confiscation of
agricultural land. Then Manor went to visit the family of Hakem Awad,
one of the suspected murderers. Here's the English translation of what
they found:
    The horror that we saw with our own eyes in the home of Mahmoud
Awad cannot be described as anything but a pogrom, primate and brutal
vengeance intended solely to impose fear in the heart of the
residents.
    All rooms in the home were turned upside down. Most of the
furniture and electronic equipment was broken. Food from the kitchen
was dumped on the floor and on it a large vat of oil was poured.
    The mother of the family, Shama and the children Majd, 14 years
old and Alaa, 6 years old, who were not detained, related that the
army’s invasion of their home began at 4am and ended around 11am.
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dragged out of their beds and not permitted to bring warm clothing or
blankets. A soldier who saw the little girl trying to shield herself
from the cold ripped the blanket away from her. Alaa relates that
“they took my blanket and I was very cold and afraid, and waited
outside until the soldiers left. Majd notes that “I was handcuffed, my
eyes were covered and they beat me. All in all I’m a little boy, what
did I do wrong?
    The father of the family, Mahmoud, 45 years old, the son Majdi,
aged 20, a third year university student and the son Amjad, 19 years
old, a first year university student and the son Hakhem, 17 years old,
were detained. Their cousin Ayman, 21 years old, was also detained.
The mother claims that soldiers took 2,500 Jordanian dinars from a
drawer and 5 mobile phones. The mother looked broken, in shock and in
deep grief. The fear and terror had not yet left her eyes.
It gets worse. Hagit Beck, a member of Machsom Watch, describes on her
blog how she and some other women went to visit "the 2 homes which had
been ransacked". The second of the two was the home of Hakem Awad.
(Isn't in interesting how in spite of all the horror, the reports all
seem to focus on the same one or two homes?). The blog-post has been
put up also on the Machsom Watch website: they're obviously proud of
it. While in the house, Raya Yaron, the Machsom Watch spokeswoman,
tried to comfort Shama Awad, mother of suspected murderer Hakem Awad,
and wife of one of the men suspected for destroying the evidence. If
proven in court, this will mean Shama Awad hid her murderer son from
the police for most of a month, knowing fully what he had done. This
is the woman Raya Yaron is embracing, and Hagit Beck is celebrating.

 
http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2011/04/radical-israelis-prefer-murderers.html
"La rivoluzione non è un pranzo di gala; non è un'opera letteraria, un
disegno, un ricamo; non la si può fare con altrettanta eleganza,
tranquillità e delicatezza, o con altrettanta dolcezza, gentilezza,
cortesia, riguardo e magnanimità. La rivoluzione è un'insurrezione, un
atto di violenza"

 atto di violenza"
Violenza antisemita, in questo caso. Gia'.

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la rivoluzione non fa distinzione di religione

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smettila di parlare di roba di cui non ti intendi (il massacro della
famiglia Fogel come atto rivoluzionario. Dio che pirla).

"amaryllide"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
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La rivoluzione è tagliare la gola ai bambini?
Carlo "Jurassic Park"

 La rivoluzione è tagliare la gola ai bambini?
quanti? 3 no, 400 sì (hint: Cast lead)

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quindi gli assassini della famiglia Fogel non erano rivoluzionari?
Bombacci, ti sei incaprettato di nuovo. E che rapidita'.

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mai detto. Ho detto che i far-left radicals lo sono, se sono coerenti