Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Indians are not Palestinians

Lo dice uno che se ne intende - David Yangeley, il bis-nipote di
Aquila Rossa, capo Comanche
http://www.badeagle.com/2002/04/09/indians-are-not-palestinians/
MANY PEOPLE see a similarity between American Indians and today’s
Palestinians. I’m Comanche Indian. I see no similarity whatsoever.
Comanches were once “Lords of the South Plains,” (Wallace & Hoebel,
1952). Arabs living in Palestine have never dominated anything but
goats. Comanches were independent, and certainly not supported by two
billion other Indian ‘brothers,’ like the Palestinian Arabs claim
they’re supported by the Arab world.
There’s no similarity in the land claim issue. Comanches, never
numbering more than six or seven thousand, were simply strong enough
to take over the American southwestern plains, first from other
Indians, then from white people. Palestinians have accomplished
nothing but suicide bombings.
Palestinian Arabs are not indigenous to Palestine. They are leftover
Arabs, residual of another age. Knowing Arab history is vital to
understanding the situation in the Middle East. (Joan Peters’ From
Time Immemorial (1984) is a ‘must read’ on this subject.)
Arabs are from Arabia. Beginning in AD 622, under Mohammad, Arab
“prophet” of Medina, the Islamic religion became a war machine and
aggressively expanded from the Arabian Peninsula to all directions
until AD 750 when it controlled North Africa westward to Spain and
southern France, northward to Palestine and Armenia, and eastward 400
miles past the Indus River.
It was spectacular achievement, one which clearly proved Islam to be
not a religion of peace, but of dominance. Arabs intermarried,
enslaved, and otherwise lorded over every culture they encountered.
Arabs established the African and Asian slave routes, which are still
used today for slave trade out of India and Nepal, as well as Africa
and the Far East.
European Christians finally fended off Islamic dominance to the east
and west. By the 15th century, Muslims were ousted from Spain and from
most of the Balkans by the 17th century. Mongolians broke Islamic
dominance in the Orient. The last phase of Islamic political
dominance, the Ottoman Empire (Turkey), ended in 1840 when
Constantinople submitted to terms of Western powers in its dispute
with Egypt. Turkey’s government declared itself secular by 1922.
During all this time Palestine was little more than a wilderness of
nomads, loosely associated groups of provincial subdivisions with
frequently changing administrations. The people were a “pan-Arab” mix
of gypsy-like leftovers, whom the General Syrian Congress of 1919
declared to be “the southern part of Syria.” It wasn’t considered
“Palestine,” a separate Arab nationality, until the 1967 Six-Day War
of Israel’s boundary expansions.
A ‘Palestinian Arab nationality’ was something Musa Alami began
asserting after 1948, as a political reaction against Israel. As R.
Sayigh wrote, “A strongly defined Palestinian identity did not emerge
until 1968, two decades after the expulsion [of some Arabs living in
parts of Palestine],” (Journal of Palestine Studies, 1977). In twenty
years, Alami’s myth took effect.
But the land-by-residence claim gives Palestinian Arabs even less
right. In 1950, United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA) defined
a Palestinian Arab as one who had lived in Palestine a minimum of two
years before 1948. This is no ancient claim.
The ancient, indigenous inhabitants of Palestine are long perished
from the earth. Canaanites, Phoencians, and then Philistines, all were
dominated by the Israelites before 1060 BC. Most of these cultural
identities dissolved completely by the neo-Babylonian age, or, the 6th
century BC.
Arabs weren’t even in Palestine until the mid-7th century AD, over a
thousand years later, after Palestine’s 1,300-year Jewish history.
Arabs later living in Palestine never developed themselves or the
land, but remained nomadic and quasi-primitive during their 1,200-year
stay.
Then a stronger people modern Jews who’d been expelled from their
homes in Europe and in Arab countries came in and conquered (without
annihilating) the Palestinian Arabs.
As a Comanche Indian, I’m sensitive to this history. I believe the
conqueror has a right to what he has conquered. No one owns the land.
Only he who is strong enough to possess it will control it and the
people living on it. That’s the law of war.
Teddy Roosevelt once said, “Let sentimentalists say what they will,
the man who puts the soil to use must of right dispossess the man who
does not, or the world will come to a standstill.” (W. T. Hagan,
Theodore Roosevelt and Six Friends of the Indians, 1997). The land
developers, the agrarians, have become stronger than the hunters.
In the case of Comanches, we lost a magnificent hunting empire, and a
lot of ego with it. In the case of “Palestinian” Arabs, what is lost?
Why their sense of humiliation?

 Aquila Rossa
ROTFL. Essere bis-nipoti è un titolo di intendimento?

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Bombacci, dopo che ho postato questo articolo ho controllato un po'
meglio e ho scoperto che questo Yangeley e' un cretino con il botto,
con posizioni politiche a destra di Sarah Palin, e che esiste persino
un blog tipo Persio Buster per raccogliere le cazzate che scrive. E
per dimostrare che non e' discedente di quel che lui dice di
discendere. Insomma, pare che per i nativi americani, sia davvero
importante essere bis-bis di qualcuno (tipo Pippo, insomma) e
reclamare che hai avuto un antienato fesso a cui i cow boy hanno
rubato la terra con qualche trucco. Manco ti intendi di debunking,
insomma.

 giravo con un amico ad angherizzare
ANGHERIZZARE? A SOMAROOOOOOOOOOO!

 insomma.
Shows the bigotry on pro-Israel
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pol/2410143546.html
EHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEEHEHEH, Persio, datti da fare, che questo ti batte

 goats.
complimenti per la sparata razzista, belle cose che leggi

 E chi è più cretino, il cretino o chi lo quota?
sarebbe bastato leggere tre righe di quello che copiaincollava per
scoprire che si trattava di un razzista di merda, ma evidentemente se
parlava male dei palestinesi a nahum andava bene
oppure non ha retto neanche tre righe di quello che copiaincolla

 parlava male dei palestinesi a nahum andava bene
anche a me va bene che nahum copincolli razzisti di merda
antipalestinesi. Così capisce da solo dov'è finito.

 sarebbe bastato leggere tre righe
quali? quelle in cui spiega che non e' mai esistito uno Stato di
Palestina?

  belle cose che leggi
sono incappato in questo articolo tramite segnalazione di questo blog,
che scrive cose intelligenti e documentate con cui mi capita di
dissentire 
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2011/06/01/supporting-those-who-love-us-least/
E ho gia' scritto quel che ho scoperto a proposito dell'autore. Ma,
piuttosto, chiunque tu sia, tu vedi qualche similitudidine tra
palestinesi e pellerossa?

 dissentire
per esempio, su questo?
"the Reform movement has anointed Richard Jacobs to be its new head,
which means support for BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) against
those who live in Judea and Samaria could become a Reform position"
o sull'ultimo commento?
"It is the liberal Jewish community, both here and in Palestine, that
built the Jewish state. The conservative Jewish community for the most
part (with exceptions), at best, wanted little or nothing to do with
it, and at worse actively worked against its creation. But that
liberal support was and is based upon a democratic Israel that treats
its non-Jewish and Arab neighbors with respect and dignity. It is
ironic to hear today the ZOA in America and some reactionary members
of the Knesset decide for everyone who is considered to be a true
“Zionist”. By their criteria, virtually every leading Zionist figure,
including David Ben-Gurion, would miserably fail this test today. The
parallels to the reactionary right wing in America in deciding who is
“patriotic”, “American”, birth certificate and all, are quite
striking."

 including David Ben-Gurion, would miserably fail this test today.
e pure Jabotinsky, gia'.

 su questo, per esempio, dissento.
su cosa? Sulla scelta di Jacobs o sul supporto al BDS?

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ne ho gia' parlato in questo ng, segui il gruppo.

E ho gia' scritto quel che ho scoperto a proposito dell'autore.
Ma nessuno ti ha visto chiedere scusa.
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