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Titolo: Bombardieri Usa su Falluja e Ramadi.

 Bombardieri Usa su Falluja e Ramadi.
Un kamikaze fa strage di poliziotti a Tikrit
di red
Gli Usa stanno bombardando a tappeto la zona tra Falluja e Ramadi, con i 
Cc130, i "cannonieri volanti". L'obiettivo: le postazioni dei ribelli 
sunniti. Da giorni è partita infatti una nuova offensiva congiunta dei 
marines del Primo Corpo di Spedizione Usa e delle forze governative irachene 
nella provincia di al-Anbar. Intanto in mattinata un kamikaze in divisa da 
ufficiale ha fatto strage a Tikrit con un'autobomba lanciata contro la 
stazione di polizia. Almeno dieci i morti, tutti agenti iracheni, ma secondo 
fonti ospedaliere il bilancio delle vittime è destinato a salire. Due morti 
anche a Kirkuk in un fallito agguato al capo locale della polizia: sono 
rimasti uccisi gli agenti della scorta.
http://www.unita.it/index.asp?SEZIONE_COD=HP&TOPIC_TIPO=&TOPIC_ID=41066
 

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i "cannonieri volanti".
Che sono i mariti degli AC130 chiamate "cannoniere volanti" :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 Gli Usa stanno bombardando a tappeto la zona tra Falluja e Ramadi, con i 
Stronzata grossa non come un AC130, come un B52...
Ma fa "sensazione", allora va tutto bene, no?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing
Raffaele
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Il Pomero si ripete :) Si deve essere innamorato dei CC130 :)
*LOL*
-Stefano


Pereppeppč
credi a me la stronzata č che bombardino
magari con un aquilone , tutto il resto e muffa 

 magari con un aquilone , tutto il resto e muffa
Certo che bombardano, chi ha detto il contrario.
Sai che differenza c'č tra qualche colpo di 105 ed un bombardamento a
tappeto?
Qualche colpo di 105 abbattono un edificio.
Un bombardamento a tappeto rade al suolo una cittą.
Se per te sono uguali ed interscambiabili, come concetti, c'č poco da
fare...
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Il fatto e' che in giro c'e' molta genta pronta a credere che una bomba H in 
mano agli ayatollah iraniani e' poco piu' di un fuoco d'artificio, mentre 
uno starnuto di Bush e' un attentato all'intera popolazione mondiale.
andrea 

 uno starnuto di Bush e' un attentato all'intera popolazione mondiale.
Beh, quella volta che Bush ha starnutito sulla mappa dell'Iraq la
stiamo ancora pagando :-)
GT

stiamo ancora pagando :-)
Se lo dici tu... :)
-Stefano

 E me metterebbe decine se non centinaia di milioni in pericolo :)
Il guaio è che oggi se non hai qualche bomba atomica rischi di essere
"liberato" dal potente ed armatissimo filantropo di turno.
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Ciao
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"liberato" dal potente ed armatissimo filantropo di turno.
Abbiamo sentito la puttanata del giorno :)
-Stefano

 Certo che bombardano, chi ha detto il contrario.
non dici il contrario ma non ti preoccupa il bombardamento
guarda a me non importa il calibro della bomba mi basta che sia una bomba
che uccide in linea generale chi non ha colpa
Che ne dici?
Se ti da noia prendere posizione contro le bombe fai pure

colpa
Esiste un proiettile che e' in grado di distinguere chi ha colpa da chi
non ce l'ha?  Se si, ci diresti quale e come? :)
-Stefano

 Massimo1 wrote:
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 "I forti fanno cio' che vogliono" ,questa è una frase di Tucidide di
parecchi secoli fa'.....
Magari pure questa citazione è una puttanata per te .
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parecchi secoli fa'.....
Anche "Ipse dixit" e' di tanti secoli fa.
-Stefano

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E De Cesaris Asinus Est a che epoca appartiene?
GT

 E De Cesaris Asinus Est a che epoca appartiene?
A quella dei fessi come te?
-Stefano

Questo sta succedendo a due passi da dove abito.
Qualcuno sa se Wal-Mart e' presnete (o sta cercando di entrare) nel
mercato Italiano?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0210-13.htm
As Union Nears Win, Wal-Mart Closes Store
by Adam Geller
NEW YORK - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. says it will close one of its Canadian
stores, just as some 200 workers at the location are near winning the
first-ever union contract from the world's largest retailer.
Wal-Mart said it was shuttering the store in Jonquiere, Quebec, in
response to unreasonable demands from union negotiators that would make
it impossible for the store to sustain itself.
"We were hoping it wouldn't come to this," Andrew Pelletier, a
spokesman for Wal-Mart Canada, said Wednesday. "Despite nine days of
meetings over three months, we've been unable to reach an agreement
with the union that in our view will allow the store to operate
efficiently and profitably."
Pelletier said the store will close in May. The retailer had first
discussed closing the Jonquiere store last October, saying the store
was losing money.
The United Food & Commercial Workers Canada asked Quebec labor
officials to appoint a mediator last week, saying negotiations with
Wal-Mart had reached an impasse.
Union leaders dismissed Wal-Mart's reasons for closing the store and
promised to fight the move.
"Wal-Mart has fired these workers not because the store was losing
money but because the workers exercised their right to join a union,"
Michael J. Fraser, national director of UFCW Canada, said in a written
statement. "Once again, Wal-Mart has decided it is above the law and
that the only rules that count are their rules."
Wal-Mart's decision to close the store reflects the retailer's deeply
rooted aversion to unions, and its worries that organized labor had
nearly established a beachhead, said Burt Flickinger III of Strategic
Resource Group, a consulting firm specializing in retailing and
consumer goods.
But he said the move could backfire for Wal-Mart, which has worked hard
to counter a wave of bad publicity and portray itself as a generous
employer.
"The store closing may potentially catalyze the combination of the
government (officials in Canada), organized labor and consumers working
together against Wal-Mart," Flickinger said.
Claudia Tremblay, a cashier at the store, said many employees burst
into tears when managers told them the news Wednesday morning.
"Many people cried, including myself," Tremblay said. "I'm a mother of
two children and I'm separated from my husband. It's very difficult."
Tremblay said she abstained from the unionization vote. She said she
was upset her noncommittal stance won't save her job.
The store in Jonquiere, about 240 miles northeast of Montreal, became
the first unionized Wal-Mart store in North America last September,
after the bargaining unit was certified by provincial labor officials.
Since then, workers at a second Quebec store have also been granted
union status. Neither has reached a contract.
The union efforts at both stores are part of a larger chess game labor
organizers are waging with Wal-Mart at stores across Canada. The
campaign, financed by UFCW money from both Canada and the United
States, is also geared toward capturing workers' attention in
Wal-Mart's home country.
The closest a U.S. union has ever come to winning a battle with
Bentonville, Ark.-based company occurred in 2000 at a store in
Jacksonville, Texas, where 11 workers in the store's meatpacking
department voted to join and be represented by the UFCW.
That effort failed when Wal-Mart eliminated the job of meatcutter
companywide, and shifted from in-store meatcutting to stocking only
pre-wrapped meat.

 Se ti da noia prendere posizione contro le bombe fai pure
No, non prendo posizione contro le bombe. Al massimo posso esprimermi
contro chi le usa in modo dissennato, o a chi causa la necessità dell'uso
delle bombe, la le bombe in se possono essere a volte necessarie, se non
indispensabili. Gli alleati avrebbero sconfitto il nazifascismo, senza
bombe?
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democrazia dobbiamo per forza ucciderli.
Quando poi si insiste sulla necessità della guerra preventiva il criminale 
mostra veramente il suo dna
Pomero 

 Pomero 
Ti ricordo che con le bombe è stato sconfitto il nazifascismo, non con 
le bandiere colorate e le marce di pace. O forse hai già dimenticato? E 
dire che dovresti sapere bene che non sempre si può ottenere la libertà 
e la pace con il dialogo. Non l'hai forse vissuto in prima persona? Non 
hai forse combattuto tu stesso contro una dittatura, e contro i suoi 
fedelissimi?
Al tempo, i partigiani hanno combattuto al fianco degli americani, 
contro ciò che rimaneva del partito fascista. Così fecero parte delle 
forze armate. Parte delle formazioni partigiane furono inquadrate come 
componenti dell'esercito.
Lo stesso sta succedendo in Iraq, che ti piaccia oppure no. (ma tanto lo 
sappiamo, che non ti piace, era una frase retorica...)
Raffaele

#_Caccia senza quartiere al sunnita...genocidio in atto.
Quando ci saranno le prossime elezioni  , la percentuale dei non votanti 
sara` cosi` minimizzata.
Giano

Volete sapere come funziona, veramente, la societa' senza un governo?
Andate in Somalia.   Il governo non esiste.  TUTTI I SERVIZI, dai
passaporti agli aeroporti alla polizia, sono offerti da privati.
Funziona?    Non molto bene, ma funziona.   I somali non vivono bene
come noi, ma  non vivono *peggio* di molti altri paesi (Africani e non)
dove i governi esistono eccome.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4017147.stm
 Living in Somalia's anarchy
As Somalia's new government prepares to return to restore order after
years of anarchy, the BBC News website's Joseph Winter reports from
Mogadishu on life with no central control.
Somalia is the only country in the world where there is no government.
Seventeenth century philosopher Thomas Hobbes wrote that "life is
solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short", if there is no central
authority.
Few Somalis have probably heard of Hobbes but most would agree with his
description - except for "solitary", as family and clan ties remain
extremely strong.
The last government, of Siad Barre, was toppled in 1991.
Since then Somalia has been divided into a myriad of different fiefdoms
controlled by rival warlords, who occasionally clash for territory.
So what is life like after more than a decade without a government?
Driving 50km (30 miles) from one of the airstrips near the capital,
Mogadishu, to the city, you pass seven checkpoints, each run by a
different militia.
At each of these "border crossings" all passenger vehicles and goods
lorries must pay an "entry fee", ranging from $3 - $300, depending on
the value of the goods being carried - and what the militiamen think
they can get away with.
There is no pretence that any of this money goes on public services,
such as health, education or roads.
Much of it is spent by the militiamen on khat, an addictive stimulant,
whose green leaves they can chew for hours on end.
Those who can afford it travel with several armed guards - and then you
can pass the road-blocks unmolested.
Much of south Mogadishu appears deceptively calm but parts, including
the north, remain too dangerous to visit.
While Siad Barre is commonly referred to as a dictator and people were
press-ganged into fighting wars with Somalia's neighbours, some now
remember with fondness that schools and hospitals were free.
It is now estimated that only about 15% of children of primary-school
age actually go to school, compared with at least 75% even in Somalia's
poor neighbours.
In Mogadishu, many schools, colleges, universities and even government
buildings, have become camps for the people who fled to the capital
seeking sanctuary from fighting elsewhere.
Makeshift shelters made from branches, orange plastic sheets and old
pieces of metal cover what were once manicured lawns outside schools
and offices.
And since some of the militiamen started to kidnap aid workers,
demanding huge ransom fees, many of the aid agencies have pulled out,
leaving many of those in the camps without any assistance whatsoever.
"Some of my children sell nuts in the street to earn some money. We
can't afford to send them to school," says Ladan Barow Nur with
resignation, as she cooks chapattis for the evening meal on an open
fire just outside her tent.
"My husband helps shoppers carry their goods in the market but it's not
enough. We're always hungry."
She lives in what was a school in Mogadishu. There are no toilets in
what is now a refugee camp, and in the rainy season, diseases such as
malaria, tuberculosis, diarrhoea and dysentery spread quickly.
Some schools, universities and hospitals continue to operate but they
are mostly privately run and charge fees.
The many thousands of people like Mrs Ladan are unable to pay the $3 it
costs to see a doctor and so people die of diseases which could be
easily prevented or cured.
"Somalia is a pure free market," one diplomat told me.
And the central Bakara market certainly looks to be thriving. Some
businesses, such as telecoms, are also doing well, with mobile phone
masts and internet cafes among the few new structures in Mogadishu, a
city where many buildings still bear the scars of the heavy fighting
between rival militias of the early 1990s.
But is a pure free market a good thing?
Speaking from a theoretical point of view, some economists might say
so, but in the very harsh reality of Mogadishu, it means guns and other
military hardware are freely available in a market not far from the
city centre.
I was advised that it was too dangerous to visit, as customers were
constantly firing the weapons to make sure they work before buying
them.
The cost of an AK-47 is the equivalent of a survey of business
confidence in more stable countries.
Following the election of a new president in October, the price fell,
as people anticipated that militias may soon no longer be able to
operate with impunity.
But a month on, with a government still not named, nor a clear plan for
how or when President Abdullahi Yusuf and his team will even go to
Mogadishu, let alone get anything done, the price of a weapon has been
creeping higher.
Passports for sale
The lack of a government also means that the US dollar is the currency
of choice - even refugees beg in hard currency.
Somali shillings are still used but the notes only come in one
denomination - 1,000, worth seven US cents.
Three types of notes are in circulation - some still survive from the
last government, some were printed by the newly elected President
Yusuf, when he was in charge of his native Puntland region, and others
were commissioned by private businessmen.
At first, some traders in Mogadishu refused to accept the new notes but
now they are all used side-by-side.
Similarly, the printing of passports has been privatised. For just $80
and in less than 24 hours, I became a Somali citizen, born in
Mogadishu.
As I had omitted to travel with any passport-sized photos, my supplier
kindly left the laminate for that page intact, for me to stick down at
home.
For a slightly higher fee, I was offered a diplomatic passport, with my
choice of posting or ministerial job.
With passports and guns freely available, those wanting to launch
terror attacks have just about everything they need.
And some fear that in the absence of any other authority, terror
training camps could be set up in Somalia.
Although Somalis are able to survive and some are even prospering,
everyone I spoke to in Mogadishu is desperate for a return to some
semblance of law and order - schools and hospitals can only follow
security on the new government's to-do list.
"I just want a government, any government will do," one man told me.
We all seem to enjoy criticising our governments but life in Somalia
shows the alternative is far worse, as Hobbes wrote 350 years ago.
A former Somali army major, now a refugee in London, summed up life
without a government very well.
"There is nothing you can do when kids with guns steal everything you
have, even your clothes. I'm from a small clan, so I was unable to
fight back," he said.
"Here, there are rules which people respect and so you can get on with
your life in peace."

 dove i governi esistono eccome.
Fico no? Grande esempio di responsabilita' dell'uomo bianco, a cui tu 
senza dubbio appartieni...
La legge della giungla monetarizzata...
Am.