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Titolo: Guantanamo colpisce ancora

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=7561401
Lawyer Says U.S. Forces Abused Kuwaiti Prisoners
Mon Feb 7, 2005 05:54 PM ET
By Will Dunham
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces abused several Kuwaiti prisoners now
held at Guantanamo Bay by beating them with chains, sodomizing them and
giving them electrical shocks, the detainees' lawyer said on Monday.
Human rights lawyer Tom Wilner, who represents the 11 Kuwaitis locked up
as foreign terrorism suspects at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay,
Cuba, described the abuses in notes after meeting with the men last month.
The notes -- declassified by the U.S. government -- detailed conversations
with six of the men, and said the other five recounted similar treatment.
Maj. Michael Shavers, a Pentagon spokesman, would not offer a
point-by-point rebuttal of the allegations. But he said, "It is important
to note that al Qaeda training manuals emphasize the tactic of making
false abuse allegations."
The worst of the abuse, which Wilner labeled torture, took place at the
hands of U.S. forces at detention facilities in Afghanistan and Pakistan
before the men were taken to Guantanamo, first used to detain terrorism
suspects in January 2002, he said.
"All of them were hung from their wrists and beaten, sometimes beaten with
chains. At least one was hung upside from his ankles and beaten. They were
all beaten, they said, until they would pass out," Wilner said.
"They were stripped naked and kept naked for extended periods of time.
They were taunted while naked by female guards. At least one of them was
sodomized. At least two of them were subjected to electric shocks while
hanging from their wrists," Wilner added, with the shocks applied using
metal paddles placed under the men's arms.
Wilner said the Kuwaitis were chained in painful positions for such long
periods of time that they would urinate and defecate on themselves.
'MOCKED FOR BEING MUSLIMS'
"In the original prisons in Pakistan and Afghanistan and at Guantanamo,
the most disturbing thing to most of them was religious humiliation. They
were mocked for being Muslims," Wilner said.
"Both there and at Guantanamo, their Korans were taken, thrown on the
floor, stepped on, thrown in the toilets. Their body hair and head hair
would be shaved, and crosses would be shaved into it," Wilner added.
The men said they made "false confessions" to being part of the Taliban or
al Qaeda to stop the torture, according to Wilner. He said one prisoner
"specifically said to me, 'Look, when this is happening, you tell them
what they want to hear to make them stop."'
The abuse was milder at Guantanamo, although several were "very badly
beaten up" there and placed in painful stress positions, and at least one
was bent over a table and threatened with sodomy, Wilner said.
Shavers said U.S. policy "condemns and prohibits torture" and that
"credible allegations" of illegal conduct by U.S. personnel are taken
seriously and investigated.
The United States currently holds about 545 foreign citizens at
Guantanamo. Nearly all are being held without charges and some have been
imprisoned there for more than three years. The United States has
designated them "enemy combatants" and denied them prisoner of war status,
which brings certain rights under international law.
The United States has faced international criticism for its treatment of
the Guantanamo prisoners. Even FBI memos made public recently accused
Pentagon interrogators of using "torture techniques."
"I think that Guantanamo is a stain on the reputation of the United
States, a stain on the honor of our nation," Wilner said.

 
Le solite chiacchere che hanno a loro sostegno solo altre chiacchere.
-Stefano

 Purtroppo per te la Reuters non afferma nulla di simile.
Hmmm, forse hai ragione. Quale potrebbe essere secondo te
una prova valida a sostegno delle affermazioni dell'avvocato ? 


Ci faresti cortesemente l'esempio di un giornalista piu' qualificato di 
Biagi,
o una fra le maggiori agenzie piu' attendibili di ansa e reuters secondo te 
?
Cosi', giusto per regolarci 

 o una fra le maggiori agenzie piu' attendibili di ansa e reuters secondo te?
Attendibile ..... riguardo a cosa?
Che l'avvocato abbia fatto simili affermazioni?  Attendibilissimo.
Che l'avvocato abbia anche solo la minima prova a sostegno delle stesse?
Purtroppo per te la Reuters non afferma nulla di simile.
-Stefano

valida a sostegno delle affermazioni dell'avvocato ?
Le stesse che farebbero istituire un processo in un tribunale, dove le
chiacchere hanno ben poco valore, ed arrivare ad una condanna?
-Stefano


Sui siti pero' si trovano solo notizie in formato html,
ti risulta che come protocollo sia accettato nei tribunali ?

Sui siti pero' ....
Non me ne puo' fottere di meno di cosa ci sia sui siti :)
-Stefano


E come le vuoi le prove, in carta bollata o ripassate all'agro ? 

E come le vuoi le prove
E chi ha detto che voglio le prove?
-Stefano


E chi ha detto che non le vuoi ?