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Dec. 5, 2006 23:43 | Updated Dec. 6, 2006 7:20
Prodi pushes for Jewish Israeli state
Israel needs a guarantee it will be able to maintain its character as
a Jewish state, Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi has said in a
statement pregnant with diplomatic significance since it implies
acceptance of Israel's rejection of Palestinian demands for a "right
of return" for refugees and their descendants.
Prodi made the comments at a private meeting in Rome on Saturday, The
Jerusalem Post has learned.
The statement faintly echoed US President George W. Bush's commitment
in his April 2004 letter to then-prime minister Ariel Sharon prior to
disengagement. Then, Bush wrote that the United States "is strongly
committed to Israel's security and well-being as a Jewish state."
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni has been leading efforts over the last
few months to get European leaders to make a similar statement. Senior
European diplomatic officials in Israel said they knew of no plans for
a public EU-wide statement of this nature.
Bush was even more explicit in his letter, saying "it seems clear that
an agreed, just, fair and realistic framework for a solution to the
Palestinian refugee issue as part of any final status agreement will
need to be found through the establishment of a Palestinian state, and
the settling of Palestinian refuges there, rather than in Israel."
Prodi's comments were made during a meeting in which the ground rules
were that the content of statements would not be made public, so that
the participants could speak freely.
Addressing ways to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Prodi said
there was a need to provide security assurances to Israel, but that
more importantly there was a need to give Israel a guarantee that it
"would be able to maintain its Jewish character."
The Italian Embassy had no comment on the remarks.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who in his Sde Boker speech last week
called on Palestinians to "relinquish your demand for the realization
of the right of return," is scheduled to meet with Prodi next
Wednesday during a three-day European visit to Berlin and Rome.
Israel has long argued that if Palestinian refugees and their
descendants were allowed to move to Israel, it would tip the
demographic balance in favor of the Arabs and lead to the demise of
the Jewish state.
Prodi's comments came at a meeting during which he also raised the
idea of expanding the European role at the Rafah border crossing to
include the entire Philadelphi Corridor if both Israel and the
Palestinians agreed. He also said that now was not necessarily the
time for large-scale Middle East peace conferences, as some have
recommended recently in Europe, but rather for confidence building
measures by both sides.
Senior diplomatic officials in Jerusalem said Prodi's comments about
the need to provide guarantees that Israel would remain a Jewish state
were "very significant," because if European leaders talk about the
right of Israel to exist as a homeland for the Jewish people, "they
are by definition rejecting the idea of a Palestinian right of
return."
"It is important to get everyone on the same page on this," one
official said. "If this point were agreed upon by the international
community, then it could be possible to begin dealing with finding
permanent solutions for the refugees without waiting for a final
status agreement."
A public European declaration along these lines would represent a
significant shift in European policy, the official added.
Another official, however, said it was very unlikely that Prodi, or
any other European leader, would repeat his comments in public or come
out with a declaration similar to Bush's, because of the waves it
would cause in the Arab world.
Such a statement, he said, would bring the European community down
squarely on Israel's side on an issue that has proven to be a major
stumbling block in the diplomatic process, something the Europeans
were unlikely to do at this time.
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 return."
Traducendo dal diplomatichese, "a guarantee that Israel will be able to
maintain its character as a Jewish state" implica che a Israele e'
permesso espellere, tenere fuori dai suoi confini, negare la
cittadinanza
a gente nata sul suo territorio  colpevole di avere l'origine etnica
sbagliata.
Significa che per Israele e' lecito considerare la crescita di una
minoranza etnica dei suoi cittadini non come un fatto naturale, ma come
un "problema demografico" da "risolvere".   Magari, con metodi tipo
questi:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_31,_2003
The Israeli parliament passed a law preventing Palestinians married to
Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship or residency rights. The law
is thought necessary to maintain the Jewish character of the state of
Israel
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o questi:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1703245,00.html
E significa anche che chi pensa che queste sono mostruosita' indegne
del 21simo secolo sia un Antisionista e antisemita, aldifuori della
cerchia delle opinioni rispettabili.
Io non so come risolvere realisticamente il conflitto medio-orientale.
Ma per favore,non prendiamoci per il culo.

 of return" for refugees and their descendants.
Frattanto, alcuni "present absentees" (termine Orwelliano, che
significa profughi che si sono spostati nei
confini di Israele: Hanno avuto la cittadinanza, ma hanno perso la
proprieta') cercano di contrastare
il Prodi! :-)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/795419.html
Israeli Arabs seek right to return to villages abandoned in 1948
By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent
According to a position paper written by Mossawa - the Advocacy Center
for Arab Citizens in Israel and presented in a conference in Nazareth
on Friday, Israeli Arabs want the right to return to villages abandoned
in 1948, educational autonomy and changes to the Israeli flag and
national anthem.
The paper, written in close coordination with the Israel Higher Arab
Monitoring Committee, was presented as part of the week-long Second
Annual Days of Mossawa Festival and Nazareth Film Festival, which ended
Saturday.
"Our goal is to achieve a historic compromise with the Jewish community
in Israel," Mossawa Center director Jafar Farah told the conference.
"The move by refugees of 1948 to their villages will not change the
demographic balance or endanger the Jews. Unlike the refugees in Arab
states, we are [already] here," Farah said. "The internal refugees
[residents forced to leave their villages in 1948 who moved to other
Arab communities within Israel] represent about one-fourth of the Arab
population in Israel today."
Farah said the paper was spurred by a sense among many Israeli Arabs
that they must have their say at a time when many Israeli organizations
are working to frame a national constitution.
"We found ourselves in an absurd situation, in which Jews are deciding
what is good for the Arabs because the Arab elites are not involved in
the discussions. Now the decision makers will have to take our opinion
into account," Farah said.
The 10-point position paper emphasizes the need to grant communal
rights to the Arab public, including the increased use of the Arabic
language; equality and fairness in immigration policy; the correct
allotment of national resources; and fair representation. With regard
to national symbols, the paper says: "The state's symbols, its flag and
its national anthem are emotionally charged, public resources ... the
state must give appropriate expression to the presence of Arab citizens
in Israel and its historical relationship to the place."
Among the many jurists participating in the conference was Supreme
Court Justice Salim Jubran, who said the existing Basic Right on
Citizenship law must be amended to complete the constitutional
protection of minority groups. He repeated his opposition to the
Citizenship Law, which restricts the rights of Israeli Arabs to marry
Palestinians.
Another participant, Dr. Raef Zreik, said the position paper does not
refer to the Israeli Arabs' position regarding the Jewish majority in
the country. He said the Israeli Arabs can officially recognize the
right of the Jewish public to a state only as part of an overall peace
agreement with the Palestinian people.

 Ma per favore,non prendiamoci per il culo.
Inizia tu, per favore.
-Stefano

Palestinians.
Puttanata.  Possono sposare tutti i Palestinesi che vogliono, quando
vogliono, dove vogliono.
Questo pero' non garantisce a tali Palestinesi *UNA CITTADINANZA
AUTOMATICA* in virtu' del loro matrimonio.
-Stefano

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Si, e' una porcata di cui avevo dato notizia anch'io. Probabilmente le 
cose sarebbero un po' diverse se vi fossero due stati. Una volta fatta 
la partizione ci si metterebbe d'accordo sui casi singoli. Questa 
crudelta' pero' e' effetto di una guerra senza fine, mica di 50 anni di 
pace.
Am.

national anthem.
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Si' ho letto quest'articolo mi è sembrato un progetto leghista
tenero/fuori dal senso.
Ho anche buttato giu' degli appunti per un post per il mio blog.
Detto cio' rispetto alle proprieta' e residenza  ritengo la loro
azione più che legittima.
MMAX
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Ma per favore,non prendiamoci per il culo.
Sono d'accordo.
Infatti la base di ogni accordo di senso da Taba in poi è un mix di
ritorno parziale e terra in cambio di Pace.
Il ritiro dai territori occupati e lo sgombero delle colonie illegali
è coerente con questa logica.
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b)  Supponiamo [cut]
Non arrivo fino ai decenni, senza uno scenario stabile,.
Il punto della demografia israeliana è anche molto legato alla non
sicurezza. Nel momento in cui ci fosse maggiore serenita' e stabilita'
le alyoth aumenterebbero dagli USA e Europa sicuramente.
Magari anche dal canada..dai prepara i documenti giorgi'
MMAX
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