Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: Terrorismo/resistenza, oggi e ieri

Oggi:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13432770/
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military recovered the bodies Tuesday of two
missing soldiers from an area it said was rigged with explosives. An
Iraqi official said the Americans were tortured and killed in a
"barbaric" way.
...
An insurgent group claimed the new leader of al-Qaida in Iraq executed
the men personally
"With God Almighty's blessing, Abu Hamza al-Muhajer carried out the
verdict of the Islamic court" calling for the soldiers' slaying,
the statement said.
...
Ieri:
www.as.huji.ac.il/conf/ex-force/Lavi.pdf
On the first day of July 1947, a small group of British soldiers,
Jewish
residents, and newspaper reporters was making its way through a thicket
of
eucalyptus trees at the outskirts of Netanya, a small town north of
Tel-Aviv. They were searching the woods to find the dead bodies of two
British sergeants, Clifford Martin and Marvyn Paice, who were killed
several
days earlier by the "Etzel", the National Military Organization a
dissident
Zionist underground movement. As they approached their target ,a
horrifying
sight appeared. The corpses of the two soldiers were hanging from a
tree,
their shirts covering their heads, dry blood that had dripped from
their
open mouths staining their close, and a short statement attached to
their
chests. The note explained that the two were executed after an Irgun
court
had heard them testify to their crimes and added that the two asked for
pardon but the court rejected their plea. The note neither mentioned
nor
tried to hide the vengeful character of this deed. The execution of
three
Irgun members several days earlier by a British military court left
little
room for doubt.
...
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Le attivita' dell'Irgun dello stesso anno:
http://www.washington-report.org/archives/May-June_2006/0605014.html
 Jan. 12-Four killed by Irgun terrorist bombing of British
headquarters.
Jan. 13-Arab kidnapped and castrated by Jewish terrorists.
March 1-Sixteen Britons killed by Jewish terrorists/Britain invokes
martial    law
March 10-Jewish informer killed by Jewish terrorists.
March 11-Two British soldiers killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8-British constable killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8-Jewish boy killed by British troops.
April 8-Jew beaten to death by Arabs.
April 22-Eight killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of the Cairo-Haifa
train.
April 25-Five killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of British camp.
April 26-British police official killed by Jewish terrorist.
May 8-Three Jewish shops in Tel Aviv whose owners refused to
contribute    to Jewish terrorist groups burned down by Jewish
terrorists.
May 8-Jew killed near Tel Aviv by Arab terrorists.
May 12-Two British policemen killed in Jewish Jerusalem.
May 15-British policeman killed in terrorist ambush.
May 15-Two British soldiers killed in terrorist Stern Gang attack.
May 16-Two British police officers killed by terrorists.
May 18-One Jew killed, one wounded by Arab terrorists.
June 5-Jewish terrorists introduce letter bombs in Middle East.
June 28-Four British soldiers killed in Jewish terrorist raids.
July 3-"Anti-terrorist" Jewish families beaten up by Irgunists.
July 18-British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 19-Another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 20-Yet another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 23-65 Jews killed when Haganah sinks immigration ship.
July 26-Two British soldiers killed in booby trap.
July 29-Three Jews executed by hanging. Jewish terrorists retaliate
by    hanging two British soldiers.
Aug. 5-Three British police killed by bomb; plot discovered to poison
the    water supply of non-Jewish parts of Jerusalem with botulism and
other    bacteria.
Aug. 10-Four Jews killed in Arab terror attack on Tel Aviv café.
Aug. 12-Five Jews, four Arabs killed, others injured, in spread of
violent    incidents over three days.
Aug. 15-Twelve Palestinians killed in raid by Haganah troops.
Aug. 18-Shops of five Jews in Tel Aviv destroyed by Jewish
terrorists.
Aug. 23-Five Arabs of one family-two men, a woman and two
children-killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 7-French foil Stern Gang plot to air bomb London.
Sept. 21-British messenger killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 26-Four British policemen killed in Irgun terrorist bank
robbery.
Sept. 27-Illegal Jewish immigrant killed by British.
Sept. 29-13 killed, 53 wounded in Irgun terrorist attack on British
police    station.
Oct. 4-Two Jews killed in ambush, two Arabs killed in retaliation.
Oct. 13-Two British troops killed by Jewish terrorists in Jerusalem.
Oct. 26-Jewish settlement policeman found killed near Gaza.
Nov. 3-Jewish policeman killed, reportedly by Stern Gang after
refusing to    reveal secret police matters.
Nov. 12-21 killed in British-Jewish clashes.
Nov. 14-Jewish terrorists kill 4 Britons in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv
Nov. 30-Violent riots erupt throughout Arab world following adoption
of    U.N. partition plan. In Palestine, seven Jews killed and eight
wounded in    the first day. All told, during the first week at least
159 persons were    killed in the Middle East, 66 of them in Palestine.
Dec. 2-Palestinians begin 3-day protest strike; 20 Jews, 15 Arabs
killed.    Five Arabs and seven Jews were killed the next day during a
six-hour    battle on the Tel Aviv-Jaffa border.
Dec. 13-35 Palestinian civilians killed in Jewish terrorist attacks.
Dec. 14-14 Jews killed by Arab Legion in retaliation.
Dec. 18-Palmach ("assault companies") kills 10 Arabs, including 5
   children, in nighttime raid on northern Galilee village of Khissas.
The    following day Haganah troops blew up the home of the village
elder of    Qazaza in central Palestine, killing several inhabitants.
Wrote The Times    of London: "While the Jews are suffering mainly
through sniping at their    road convoys, the Arabs have lost many
lives through Jewish assaults on    their villages."
Dec. 20-Haganah raid on village of Qazaza kills one Palestinian.
Dec. 24-Stern Gang member killed for betrayal of another member.
Dec. 25-16 Arabs, Jews and British killed on Christmas.
Dec. 25-Palestinian landowner killed for selling land to Jews.
Dec. 26-Ben-Gurion proposes major offensive to reduce Arab
population.
Dec. 26-Jewish terrorists get $107,000 in heists of diamond plants.
Dec. 29-14 Arabs killed by Irgun bomb in Jerusalem.
Dec. 29-Irgun flogs British major and three sergeants.
Dec. 30-41 Jews, 6 Arabs killed in riot sparked by Stern Gang.
Dec. 31-Irgun claims to have killed 374 Arabs and British during
year.-D.N.
Alcuni paragrafi pertinenti, dallo stesso articolo:
The reality is that when faced with a superior military force, such as
Britain possessed in 1947 and Israel does today against the
Palestinians, terror is the underdog's only viable weapon. Once a
state has been established and legitimized, however, as in the cases of
Israel and South Africa, the former "terrorists" tend to gain a
veil of legitimacy as well. But legitimacy is now being denied Hamas.
Even though Palestinians elected a Hamas-led government in free and
fair elections, Israel denies it legitimacy on the grounds that Hamas
is a terrorist organization.
....
Sixty years ago, however, at the time of the British Mandate, it was
Jews in Palestine who mainly waged terrorism against the Palestinians.
As Jewish leader David Ben-Gurion recorded in his personal history of
Israel: "From 1946 to 1947 there were scarcely any Arab attacks on
the Yishuv [the Jewish community in Palestine]."
The same could not be said for the Zionists. Jewish terrorists waged an
intense and bloody campaign against the Palestinians, British, and even
some Jews who opposed them leading up to the establishme
....
The Jewish Agency, as the official representative of the Jewish
community, repeatedly denied any responsibility for the acts of the
Irgun and Lehi, maintaining they were underground terrorist groups
operating outside the law. However, there was close cooperation among
Irgun, Lehi and the Haganah underground army under an agreement called
the Hebrew Resistance Movement and aimed specifically against the
British Mandatory government. It went into force in the fall of 1945,
when "Irgun and Lehi accepted Haganah discipline in the conduct of
all armed operations," in the words of historian Noah Lucas.
By December 1947, British High Commissioner Alan Cunningham reported to
London: "...the Haganah and the dissident groups are now working so
closely together that the Agency's claim that they cannot control the
dissidents is inadmissible."
Donald Neff is the author of the Warriors trilogy, Fallen Pillars: U.S.
Policy towards Palestine and Israel, and Fifty Years of Israel, all
available from the AET Book Club.

 
www.as.huji.ac.il/conf/ex-force/Lavi.pdf
Francamente trovo il paragone forzato, per non dire peggio. Potresti 
trovare simili comportamenti in qualsiasi tempo e spazio.
Anche i mongoli celebrano in questi giorni l'800esimo compleanno di 
Gengis Khan.
perche' non fai un altro bel saggio sulla legittimazione delle atrocita' 
da parte dello stato?
Am.

 Gengis Khan.
Che non era affatto il mostro senza precedenti dell'immaginario
collettivo.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gengis_Khan#In_Mongolia
Anche in Francia si celebra il compleanno di Napoleone, per dire.
GT

Le attivita' dell'Irgun dello stesso anno:
Infatti l'Irgun era combattuto sia dagli inglesi che dall'Agenzia
Ebraica.
Non per niente li hanno anche presi a cannonate:
http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac20.htm
-Stefano

collettivo.
Se lo dici tu allora......!!!!!!
-Stefano

 Abbiamo sentito la ca***ta del giorno del solito Torrieri.
Obiettavo piu' che altro al paragonare eventi di 60 anni fa ad eventi di 
oggi - non si finirebbe piu'.
Perche' non tirar fuori il massacro degli armeni o quello dei kulaki, 
come esempio di consolidamento dell'unita' nazionale attraverso il 
terrore?
Fa troppo caldo. Good luck!
Am.

 Anche in Francia si celebra il compleanno di Napoleone, per dire.
la solita stronzata dell' ignorante coglione
buona lettura
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/UnArticleDeCode?code=CTRAVAIL.rcv&art=L
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A

 222-1
Per curiosita', che festa e' l'11 novembre?
R.

 Per curiosita', che festa e' l'11 novembre?
La vittoria della prima guerra mondiale, oh bestia, l'Armistizio
Festeggiata da Francia e Belgio e non ovviamente da chi l'ha presa nel culo,
leggi Italia e Germania
Ammazza, come quota di ignoranti, in questo NG è a livelli sublimi.
E dire che è un NG di *politica internazionale*
E non sanno cos'è l'11 novembre.
Cazzo, son catafratta
http://www.cheminsdememoire.gouv.fr/11_novembre.html
A

 leggi Italia e Germania
Ma in realta' l'Italia era tra i vincitori della PGM, pero' il 4
novembre e' solo la festa delle forze armate, non e' festa nazionale.
Ciao
R.

 novembre e' solo la festa delle forze armate, non e' festa nazionale.
beh, nemmeno l'11 novembre è festa nazionale francese.(è festa ufficiale, se
intendevi questo, sì. Nazionale no, è il 14 luglio)
A
PS
Io peraltro trovo abbastanza "déplacé" il fatto che i francesi continuino a
festeggiare questo armistizio.
Soprattutto alla luce di quello che è successo dopo.
Non è che una giornata in cui ufficialmente si mandano a casa gli scolaretti
(a noi faceva tanto piacere) ricordandogli che in quel dì "l'abbiamo messo
in quel posto ai tedeschi".
Mah, boh, è ora di piantarla, è una festa di pessimo gusto, imho

 insomma, una roba un po' (tanto) da dimenticare
Perche' mai?
Palmiro Pangloss

 insomma, una roba un po' (tanto) da dimenticare
E va be', anche ieri ha vinto al 93' con un rigore che non c'era, pero'
intanto ai quarti ci siamo arrivati :-)
R.

intanto ai quarti ci siamo arrivati :-)
vero, è un esempio del tutto calzante.
Per me quella di ieri non è una vittoria, è un risultato qualunque dovuto a
un po' di culo e tanta paraculaggine
Come la PGM
Quando non si sa combattere non è che ci s'inventa eroi da l'oggi col
domani, eh
Sia in guerra che sui campi da calcio
Come dire, la filosofia del catenaccio e speriamo che passi, magari co' 'na
botta de culo.
Non mi pare si possa parlare di comportamento ispirato al combattimento
valoroso e/o sportivo, ma 'nzomma....
A

Perche' mai?
C'abbiamo fatto una bella figura?
A