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Titolo: Per fortuna, non leggono IPI

Molti di loro non parlano l'Inglese.   Molti di loro vogliono
mantenere la loro cultura d'origine.  Molti di loro disturbano, con la
loro presenza, quella "regolamentazione" dell'immigrazione che secondo
il consenso liberale e' "necessaria".   Eppure ci sono.  E l'America
ha bisogno di loro.   E conquisteranno i loro diritti.   Il bello
della liberta' e' che, appunto, regolarla e' impossibile.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/1426257
May Day 2007: Hundreds of Thousands March for Immigrant Rights
Hundreds of thousands of immigrants took to the streets on Tuesday in
protests in dozens of cities across the country. Calls focused on
demanding a path to citizenship for undocumented workers, ending
immigrant raids and deportations and rejecting anti-immigrant
legislation. We speak with organizers of the day's two largest
protests: Los Angeles and Chicago. [includes rush transcript] For the
second year in a row, May Day featured a massive display of solidarity
for immigrant rights in the United States. Hundreds of thousands of
people to the streets across the country. Marches were held in cities
including Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit, Washington, Denver,
Milwaukee, Phoenix and New York.
    * Miriam Canal, immigrant rights marcher in New York: "We hope to
accomplish all the rights that we deserve. Not only as immigrants, but
also as people and human beings."
Calls focused on demanding a path to citizenship for undocumented
workers, ending raids and deportations that have divided entire
families, rejecting anti-immigrant legislation, and thwarting the
continued militarization of the U.S.-Mexican border.
Although the May Day events went off mostly without incident, one
major confrontation took place in Los Angeles. An evening protest was
disrupted when police fired rubber bullets and tear gas at thousands
gathered in McArthur Park. LAPD officials said protesters had thrown
plastic bottles and other projectiles. Protest organizers dispute the
account and are demanding an independent investigation.
To help recap and look ahead to what's next, we're joined by
organizers of the day's two largest protests:
    * Angelica Salas, Executive Director of the Coalition for Humane
Immigrant Rights in Los Angeles.
    * Jorge Mujica, former journalist and union organizer and one of
the lead organizers for immigrant rights protests in Chicago. He has
worked for La Raza, Univision, and Telemundo, and has been involved in
union organizing in both the US and in Mexico.
RUSH TRANSCRIPT
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AMY GOODMAN: For the second year in a row, May Day featured a massive
display of solidarity for immigrant rights in the United States.
Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets across the
country. Marches were held in cities, including Los Angeles, Chicago,
Detroit, Washington, D.C., Denver, Milwaukee, Phoenix and New York.
      MIRIAM CANAL: We have to accomplish all the rights that we
deserve, not only as immigrants, but also has people and human
beings.
AMY GOODMAN: Calls focused on demanding a path to citizenship for
undocumented workers, ending raids and deportations that have divided
entire families, rejecting anti-immigrant legislation and thwarting
the continued militarization of the US-Mexican border.
Although the May Day events went off mostly without incident, one
major confrontation took place in Los Angeles. An evening protest was
disrupted when police fired rubber bullets and teargas at thousands
gathered in MacArthur Park. LAPD officials said protesters had thrown
plastic bottles and other projectiles. Protest organizers dispute the
account and are demanding an independent investigation.
To help recap and look ahead to what's next, I'm joined now by
organizers of the day's two largest protests. On the line from Los
Angeles, Angelica Salas, she is executive director of the Coalition
for Humane Immigrant Rights in Los Angeles. And from Chicago, we're
joined by Jorge Mujica. He is a former journalist and union organizer.
He has worked for La Raza, Univision and Telemundo and has been
involved in union organizing in both the US and Mexico.
We're going to begin in Los Angeles with Angelica Salas. Can you
explain what happened? Were you at that night protest when the police
opened fire with rubber bullets?
ANGELICA SALAS: Yes, Amy. Good morning. How are you?
AMY GOODMAN: It's good to have you with us.
ANGELICA SALAS: The first thing that I just want to say is that, first
and foremost, over 25,000 people gathered in the evening to demand
their rights and to demand legalization, a path to citizenship, and to
peacefully assemble to ensure that their families have a better future
in this country. And I want to make sure that their efforts are
highlighted.
It was unfortunate, and we are indignant at the manner in which the
police decided to deal with a group of people who were causing
disturbances. These were young anarchists who often join our marches,
who in every single march in the past in Los Angeles -- this is the
seventh May Day march [inaudible] have been isolated away from the
crowd. This time, the police showed in the --
AMY GOODMAN: Angelica? Well, it looks like we've lost Angelica, but
we'll go to Jorge Mujica, and then we'll get Angelica back, calling
from Los Angeles. Jorge Mujica, can you describe what happened in
Chicago?
JORGE MUJICA: Yes, Amy, good morning. What happened in Chicago is that
we were able somehow to have only one demonstration, every
organization united in a single front. And we put up in the streets
150,000, according to the police department. We obviously believe that
it was a lot larger than that, maybe a quarter million people. We
didn't have any incidents. I think what happened in Los Angeles is
pretty bad. We didn't have it here.
And we sent a strong message to Congress. You know, the problem is
still here. They didn't solve it last year. They are not solving it
this year. And every year that passes, there's going to be another
half a million undocumented immigrants in the United States.
AMY GOODMAN: What are you calling for in Chicago?
JORGE MUJICA: In Chicago, particularly, we were calling for an end of
deportations and raids. One week ago, the FBI, in combination with
Immigration Enforcement, sent over sixty federal agents to a shopping
mall at 2:00 p.m., when mothers had just picked up their kids from
school and they were doing their shopping. And these federal agents
were carrying machine guns and M-16s, and they were looking for what
is supposed to be a ring of fake ID dealers, you know, sellers of
false IDs. Nevertheless, they handcuffed over 100 people. They made
them sit on the floor. But they detained 160 people for a couple
hours, and then they just let them go, because they knew exactly what
they were looking for. They didn't need to arrest anybody else or
detain anybody else.
And this outraged the community, you know. We see this as
inconceivable. We are pretty sure that they wouldn't do it in a
Marshall Fields. And so, why do they think they can do it in a Latino
neighborhood in the heart of the Mexican community here in Chicago?
So, people went out yesterday in numbers to protest this kind of
practices.
AMY GOODMAN: Angelica Salas rejoins us from Los Angeles, executive
director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights there. In the
protest that the police opened fire with rubber bullets on last night,
where exactly were you, Angelica, and who were the people that were
affected?
ANGELICA SALAS: Yes, I was actually the main MC of the event, and I
started seeing the police rush into the park, and we voluntarily -- we
started seeing people running. We voluntarily cut our program at 6:30.
We had our permit that would go until 9:00. We cut it. We made sure
that people -- we told people to start leaving the park slowly, not to
run, with their children.
I stayed towards the end, and what I saw was, instead of isolating a
problem group, they pushed them into the crowd. They started shooting
rubber bullets into a crowd of just innocent people. I was caught in
the middle of all of this, as we were trying to send people out, had
to cover a mother with some children. So I am just indignant. I am
outraged at the manner in which the police dealt with a family event.
We have had millions and millions of people in the streets of Los
Angeles. We have worked daily with the police, and for them to
actually engage in this kind of action is ludicrous. And I just want
to once more say, the majority of the people that were there were
assembled in peace, and they were demanding their rights. They were
demanding an opportunity for legalization. And to have our police act
in this manner is completely outrageous.
And we are -- right away, we called a press conference to let our
community know that this was not going to be tolerated by the
organizers. Immediately we talked to the chief. He was actually there
after the event. We talked to him, and we conveyed our just dismay and
outrage by what they had done to a group of very innocent people.
There were several members of the media who were actually hurt, who
were hospitalized, especially, I think, our friends from Telemundo.
And overall, I think that it's just a reaction of a force that is not
necessary, when the majority of the people who were marching were --
are -- first of all, all the organizers are cooperating with you, all
the marchers are marching in peace and have done so in the past.
But what we also want to just tell the entire of Los Angeles community
and this country, this is not going to derail us from our mission to
pass comprehensive immigration reform, to ensure that immigrant
families are together, to ensure that we have no more deaths at the
border. This is not going to derail us. We're going to continue
fighting, and we're going to make sure that at home in Los Angeles the
police actually treat people as human beings and that they help us in
trying to protect and create a public safety environment versus doing
what they did last night.
AMY GOODMAN: Angelica, what has the mayor of Los Angeles Villaraigosa
said, a longtime labor and immigrant right activist before he was
mayor?
ANGELICA SALAS: We right away contacted. He was in El Salvador. We
were able to connect with him, as well. Right away, he has agreed to
investigate what has occurred. We made sure that he, too, knew of --
members of the media who have been following him in this journey
towards Central America and Latin America -- and Mexico -- were with
him and directly told him what had happened to their crew. So they're
in the process of investigating this issue. But again, we're going to
be focusing on what the police have done, but we will not be derailed
from our pursuit of more humane laws and for the rights of immigrants
in this country. That's why we were all marching out there. That's why
we were marching in peace.
AMY GOODMAN: We're going go to break, and we'll come back, as we talk
about the mass rallies across the United States on May Day for
immigrant rights. Angelica Salas, executive director of Coalition for
Humane Immigrant Rights in Los Angeles, Jorge Mujica in Chicago. We'll
be joined by two students, one from Los Angeles and one from Detroit.
There was also a clash with police in Detroit, and we'll find out more
in a minute.
[break]
AMY GOODMAN: Over the past month US authorities have arrested and
detained at least 750 immigrants in raids across the country, the
sweeps part of a program dubbed Operation Return to Sender run by the
federal agency ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, used to
be known as INS. We recently interviewed longtime labor journalist
David Bacon. He described two of the recent immigration raids in
particular.
      DAVID BACON: ...supposedly Operation Return to Sender. So ICE has
the names of a few people on warrants, so they'll go -- for instance,
in Richmond, California, they went out to a school and stationed
themselves in front of the school, supposedly looking for these
people, and just stopped everybody coming in and out, asked people for
their documents, but only, of course, people who looked Latino. And in
this case, they were stopping women who had just dropped their
children off. So, obviously, they were going to separate these
families, if they picked up any of the people who were involved.
      Or there was just another immigration raid in Chicago, where
they went to a parking lot in a kind of a mall in the Latino community
in Chicago, and they just sort of closed off the parking lot, people
carrying, you know, assault rifles. They looked like soldiers. And
they, again, had the names of supposedly four people that they were
looking for. How they expected to find them in a shopping mall in a
parking lot, I have no idea. But what they really did was they went
and asked everybody for their immigration papers and began just sort
of pulling people in, shoving them into vans.
AMY GOODMAN: Jorge Mujica, was that one of the reasons why people
turned out yesterday?
JORGE MUJICA: That's correct. I think that this military-like
operation, it was totally unjustified. It didn't have -- it doesn't
have to take place, you know, in any city, any town. Whenever you see
a seven-foot tall person carrying an M-16 and ordering you to kneel
down on the floor, handcuffing people -- we were later on told that
the Attorney General of the United States in Illinois gave the order
to detain every Mexican male between fourteen and forty years old.
That's not a -- you know, a search-and-look operation. That's an
intimidation operation.
And people reacted immediately, not only yesterday, but also the same
day. The same time of this raid, hundreds of people gathered outside
the shopping mall and started protesting and yelling and screaming
against the federal agents that were there.
AMY GOODMAN: Students once again played a key role in the May Day
protests. In Los Angeles, city officials reported around 600 students
walked out of class to join the march for immigrant rights. Meanwhile,
in Detroit dozens of students were arrested for taking part in a
walkout that also protested the planned closure of dozens of schools.
Joining me on the line are two student organizers. Issamar Comacho is
a junior at Roosevelt High School in Los Angeles. And joining me from
Detroit is Jevon Cochran, a junior at Lewis Cass Technical High School
in Detroit, an organizer with the Coalition to Defend Affirmative
Action, Integration, and Immigrant Rights, & Fight for Equality By Any
Means Necessary, known as BAMN.
Jevon, talk about what happened in Detroit yesterday.
JEVON COCHRAN: Well, yesterday in Detroit there were student walkouts
from several schools against the school closings. You know, students
also walked out against the ban on affirmative action, against like
the restrictive dress codes in DPS that students get suspended over
every day, and also in support of and in solidarity with the movement
for immigrant rights.
And, you know, at the schools -- at one of the schools, Northern High
School, you know, students marched down to the schools who had walked
out from several high schools, and we were having like a really
peaceful protest. You know, Northern High School in Detroit is one of
the schools that's slated to close, and once we got there, you know,
the students really wanted -- the students that had walked out from
the other schools wanted the Northern students to come out and, you
know, fight to keep their school open, to keep -- you know, because if
Northern stays open, that's just -- you know, Northern is the key
school that we need to keep open, a fight for the rest of the schools
in Detroit. And the students went there, and they started chanting,
you know, "Keep Northern open! Walk out now!" It was a really peaceful
protest.
But what happened was the security guards and the administration at
the school basically just terrorized the students and told them that
they were powerless and that they couldn't fight to keep their school
open, that they couldn't fight for their city. They blocked all the
doors, and they tried to chain the students in, and they called the
cops. And, you know, the cops like started just attacking the
students, the students who had come from the other schools, like Cass,
the high school that I go to. And there were -- like, we were just
standing around, peacefully protesting, you know, trying to support
the Northern students. And, you know, cops, just out of nowhere,
totally unprovoked, started macing like elementary and middle school
students. They grabbed one of the students who had led like walkouts
at Northern High School almost two weeks ago, and they like beat him.
They beat him. They maced him. They slammed him onto a police car.
They arrested him. They arrested students from Osborn High School,
which is a high school that over 200 students walked out from
yesterday. They grabbed him by his hair. And it was just, you know,
several incidents happening, you know, like this yesterday, where the
police just attacked students and tried to terrorize the students who
were fighting for their right to a decent education in our city.
AMY GOODMAN: Let's go to Issamar Comacho in Los Angeles, Roosevelt
High School. Where did you march yesterday and why?
ISSAMAR COMACHO: Well, yesterday we marched from my school, Roosevelt
High School, from Boyle Heights through East LA, and also Hollenbeck
High School was with us. And schools from all over LA walked out, from
Huntington Park High School, from -- and Bravo High School and Wilson
and other schools, Manuel Arts, walked out. And we marched from down
through East LA to the march in downtown LA to join them and to tell
everybody in this nation that we are not accepting second-class
treatment any longer.
We are not going to accept the INS going into our cities and
terrorizing the people who live with us, the people who are in our
schools, our friends, our families. We are not accepting it any
longer. It's over. And we are going to keep building this movement
until our demands are met. And we will fight. We're fighting to win.
The students will keep organizing, and we'll be the leadership of this
new movement to make -- to stop the raids and to make California and
every other state in this nation a sanctuary state, a state where the
mayors and the governor will not work with the Immigration services to
terrorize our communities. And the students walked out and marched,
and we led, you know, the march to fight. And we are leading this
movement to fight for immigrant rights and to fight to make the lives
of every person in this nation really better.
AMY GOODMAN: Issamar Comacho, your response to Mayor Villaraigosa
saying the students should not be walking out, that your parents came
to this country to make your lives better, and education is part of
that?
ISSAMAR COMACHO: Well, my response is that -- and the response of many
other students is that Villaraigosa, he walked out from his school. He
states that he says he fought for his rights and the rights of, you
know, his community. And now he's telling us, the students, that we
cannot fight for our rights to make our lives better, to stop
discrimination and not accept the mistreatment that we face every day.
That is just hypocritical, and we are not going to accept that kind of
statement. We are going to keep fighting until we win, and we will
fight until we win.
AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to go back to Angelica Salas to ask if you feel
that there is a difference in Washington with the Democrats in power?
ANGELICA SALAS: Well, I think that we were expecting that they were
going to come out of the gate, they were going to propose legislation
that was going to bring a solution to so many families. And,
unfortunately, they're just moving very slow and putting forth
proposals that are very compromised in moving forward, where our
expectations and our call on May Day are for, you know, a mobilization
across the country for immigrant rights is , one, stop these raids,
stop the deportation of these families, of innocent people. And they
can move on this. They can actually engage our administration. We're
also telling the administration that enough is enough and that their
crazy, ludicrous proposals that they're putting forward are not
acceptable.
We're hopeful that the demands of our -- of immigrants, of our people,
are going to be heard by the elected officials and that they are going
to move quickly on humane, comprehensive immigration reform. And I
want to highlight "humane." This is not about creating a Bracero
program. This is not about creating guestworkers. This is about giving
people opportunities to live in this country legally, with an
opportunity for citizenship, so they have full rights in this country,
so that we reduce the backlogs, and to ensure that families are
together.
Right now, a lot of what is at the table is dismantling the family-
based visa program that we've had in this country for decades that
have allowed so many families to be together, and certainly continuing
on this path of what we consider a Bracero program, a program that
keeps visas in control of employers and never gives workers rights. So
that's not what we're fighting for. We're fighting for full rights.
So we ask the Democrats to have more courage, to stand up for what is
right. They have -- right now, at this moment, I wanted to say that
probably Representative Luis Gutierrez has stood firmly with us. Yet
we need them to stand -- we need more of them to stand with us, to
have more courage against the administration, and we also believe that
it takes two parties to move this forward. We don't want to be talking
about this in the 2008 elections. We want them to take action now.
Families need relief now. Families need to be together now. And so,
they need to take their responsibilities to millions of people in this
country really seriously. And we're saying this is a fix, this is a
change, not just for immigrants, but for everybody who cares about
peace and justice and who cares about the unity of families, who cares
about a better tomorrow for America.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to thank you all for being with us, Angelica Salas
of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights in Los Angeles, Jorge
Mujica in Chicago. I also want to thank the two students, Jevon
Cochran, joining us from Detroit, a junior at Lewis Cass Technical
High School, and as well, Issamar Comacho, junior at Roosevelt High
School in LA.

continued militarization of the U.S.-Mexican border.
Cioe' vorrebbero che chi ha violato la legge e continua a violarla
diventi pure cittadino americano.
Da non commentare....
-Stefano

 della liberta' e' che, appunto, regolarla e' impossibile.
Non c'è libertà dove non c'è legge.
Tornare all'asilo di kuncevo, prego.
Il bello di questo tipo di personaggi è che predicano il liberismo anarchico nei 
luoghi che odiano (forse perché nella mentalità per cui "il marxismo è ancora 
giovane" deregolamentazione equivale a distruzione).
Poi, invece, dove batte il cuore, Breznev era fantastico.
E anche putin non è così male.
ROTFL.
Tb
-- 
רפוה שלמה לחולה פרנץ בן יוסף וחנה

 Non c'è libertà dove non c'è legge.
Toh... lo studioso di Ebraismo ha confuso Mose' con Charlton Heston.
GT

Toh... lo studioso di Ebraismo ha confuso Mose' con Charlton Heston.
Certo, certo....
*pat pat*
-Stefano

 GT
3-0 palla al centro...

 3-0 palla al centro...
LOL.
Ma (non dico di ebraismo, che è giustamente al di fuori della vostra sfera di 
interesse), ma almeno dei fondamenti dello stato democratico, voi rossobruni 
qualcosa dovreste pur studiare.
Sai... "conosci il tuo nemico".
Tb
Ps: a proposito di libertà e legge, oggi è il 30esimo giorno dell'Omer
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 No. L'America ha bisogno di AMERICANI.
no, razzista, gli USA ha bisogno di lavoratori che facciano certi
mestieri che i tuoi AMERICANI non vogliono fare, e quindi o concedono
loro i diritti che si meritano o sono cazzi acidi per i bovari
yankee...

 attraverso l'immigrazione...
immigrazione ISLAMISTA, sia chiaro. Che i cinesi a miguelito non piacciono. 

 immigrazione ISLAMISTA, sia chiaro. Che i cinesi a miguelito non piacciono.
Consiglierei  di dare uno sguardo anche al modello francese di
assimilazione con qualche impuntatura giacobina. Qualche soddisfazione
riescono a darla  i figli delle banlieues che non diventano enfants de
la patrie.
Certo però il modello di "assimilazione" è pur sempre un tantito
elaborazione liberale ( però insisto: riesce - ed è riuscito - a dare
soddisfazioni del genere di cui sopra)

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:1178181966.5...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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e offre alle rivoluzionarie la possibilità di spiegare i benefici del velo.

 elaborazione liberale
certo, vallo spiegare ai liberal di IPI che citano Mussolini che
l'assimilazione è concetto liberale, e non c'entra niente con le
puttanate razziste con cui si riempiono la bocca...

  liberal di IPI che citano Mussolini
eh. meglio lasciare l'esegesi delle parole del duce agli ex fascisti. 

 eh. meglio lasciare l'esegesi delle parole del duce agli ex fascisti.
ex fascista a chi? Un rossobruno non è mai ex di niente, rivendica
sempre la piena appartenenza a tutte le sue ideologie

gli USA ha bisogno di lavoratori che facciano certi mestieri
Gli USA, lo ripeto, hanno bisogno di AMERICANI. Se qualcuno vuole
andarci a lavorare per poi tornarsene a casina sua faccia pure.
-Stefano

 andarci a lavorare per poi tornarsene a casina sua faccia pure.
no, hanno bisogno di lavoratori che hanno diritto di diventare
cittadini americani

cittadini americani
Diritto? E per quale motivo?  Ne ha diritto solo chi vuole diventare
AMERICANO.  Per lavorare ci puo' andare chiunque senza dover in alcun
modo diventare cittadino.
-Stefano

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????
Cosa citano questi liberal  di IPI?  ( Mussolini? )
Non  ho capito. Traduci, per piacere, in modo che possa capirti.
 Il concetto di "assimilazione" può piacere o non piacere, può
sembrare utile o dannoso... Si può discutere, ad esempio, sul caso
francese.
Però ti sei fermato per strada -  peggio ti sei attardato nel salotto
di IPI, dopo aver lanciato  un'immagine  di  lotta  . Sbircia nelle
banlieues. Fermati  dove c'è conflitto

 banlieues. Fermati  dove c'è conflitto
se tutto va come dovrebbe domenica sera sarò là, a vedere il secondo
atto della rivoluzione francese, speriamo che si smentisca la massima
marxista ("tutti i grandi fatti della storia del mondo e i loro
personaggi compaiono a due riprese: la prima volta in tragedia, la
seconda in farsa")

fai una ricerca con "mare nostrum" e vedrai...
Vedra' ..... un *COGLIONE* che ritiene di proprieta' di Mussolini una
locuzione latina che e' entrata nella storia.
-Stefano

 atto della rivoluzione francese,
Il secondo atto della Rivoluzione francese? Sei sicuro?
E no, il secondo atto è molto difficile. Troppo.
Non ho sotto mano una poesiola di Sciascia; era il 1971 ( il racconto
era "Il contesto"). Una bella descrizione:  su chi fa le rivoluzioni e
chi dice di volerle fare. Poi ci sono anche quelli che dicono che  le
vanno a vedere. Auguri!
ps
Ho capito,
 avete ( cioè hai...)  discusso tante volte di questi argomenti. Che
adesso è solo il caso di di fare ricerche nelle discussioni passate.
Ne terrò conto al prossimo copia e incolla.

 locuzione latina che e' entrata nella storia.
certo, COGLIONE, è di Mussolini esattamente come le svastiche oggi
sono un simbolo nazista anche se sono nate 3000 anni prima di Hitler...

sono nate 3000 anni prima di Hitler...
Hai detto la ca***ta del giorno!
Informati prima di sparare la tua solita sequela di puttanate.
-Stefano

 Falliti che sarebbe utilissimo per ogni tipo di rossobruno.
disse l'inventore del termine infamante rossobruno, evidentemente per
proiettare addosso agli altri la tua bassezza...

di fascismo altre persone)
E io che credevo che i fascisti di Mussolini indossassero le *CAMICE
NERE*.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milizia_Volontaria_per_la_Sicurezza_Nazionale
Ora il buon Giovanni ci viene a riscrivere la storia italiana :)
Bisognera' informare il resto dell'Italia e del mondo :)
*LOL*
-Stefano

 NERE*.
hai ragione, pure peggio, ha inventato un termine infamante per dare
del nazista a chi è di sinistra, come se il nazismo l'avessero
combattuto i liberal come voi e i vostri idoli, che si sono mossi solo
quando si sono resi conto che rischiavano di consegnare l'Europa
intera a Stalin....

ha inventato un termine infamante per dare del nazista
*ROTFL*
Di bene in meglio con le tue stronzate!!! :)
-Stefano

 Senza l'esercito alleato magari questo sarebbe ancora un paese fascista
peccato che poi gli alleati hanno permesso ai fascisti di riciclarsi
ovunque, tanto erano antifascisti....e dov'erano questi alleati dal
'22 al '43? E nella guerra civile spagnola, quando i nazifascisti
intervennero in forze, dov'erano i tuoi amici della libertà? "se fossi
sato italiano, sarei stato fascista"....chi l'ha detta questa,
cialtrone? Il dio di voi anglofascisti....

in forze
Nazifascisti????
*ROTFL*
-Stefano

"se fossi stato italiano, sarei stato fascista"....
Sir Winston Churchill, nume tutelare degli anglonazisti, combattente
per la libertà del capitale inglese....

Sir Winston Churchill
No. Puttanata che hai scopiazzato dalla rete, unica autrice di una tale
invenzione.
-Stefano

 invenzione.
qui l'unico autore di puttanate sei tu, c'è poco da discutere:
Dal "Corriere della Sera" del 7 maggio 2005
Risponde Sergio Romano
Perché a Mussolini, reo di aver portato il nostro Paese alla guerra
alleandosi con le forze tedesche, non è stato fatto un giusto
processo?
Adolfo Somarolini Treviso
Caro Somarolini,
in Gran Bretagna, un anno e mezzo prima, il capo del fascismo era
stato protagonista di un processo fittizio. Come ho raccontato qualche
tempo fa ai lettori del Corriere, nell'ottobre del 193 apparve a
Londra, presso un editore progressista (Victor Gollancz), un breve
libro intitolato "Processo a Mussolini", di cui esiste ora una
edizione italiana pubblicata da Barbarossa a cura di Gianfranco de
Turris. L'autore era Michael Foot, brillante giornalista laburista
destinato a diventare, molti anni dopo, segretario del partito.
Nascondendosi sotto un pseudonimo classicheggiante (Cassius, uno dei
congiurati nel complotto contro Cesare durante le Idi di marzo del 44
a.C.) Foot processò in realtà la classe dirigente britannica. Nel
libro, l'avvocato difensore di Mussolini ammette senza esitare le
colpe del suo cliente, dalle spedizioni squadriste al delitto
Matteotti, dal bombardamento di Corfù all'aggressione contro la
Grecia. Ma invita nell'aula, subito dopo, dopo i ministri, i
parlamentari, gli intellettuali e i giornalisti britannici che avevano
elogiato Mussolini o stabilito rapporti di collaborazione con il suo
governo. Vengono costretti a deporre Sir Austen Chamberlain, ministro
degli Esteri dal 1924 al '29, Lord Simon, ministro degli Interni e
cancelliere dello scacchiere dal 1935 al '40,  Samuel Hoare, ministro
della guerra d'Etiopia, Neville Chamberlain, primo ministro dal 1935
al '40, Lord Halifax, ministro degli Esteri dal 1938 al '40, e molti
altri. Non appare sul banco dei testimoni Winston Churchill, allora
primo ministro, ma l'avvocato difensore che legge alla corte un
discorso pronunciato a Roma il 20 gennaio 1927 in cui Churchill disse
tra l'altro: "Se fossi un italiano, sono sicuro che sarei stato con
voi con tutto il mio cuore, dall'inizio alla fine della trionfale
lotta contro gli appetiti bestiali e le passioni del leninismo".
Non credo alla tesi che attribuisce agli inglesi un'importante
responsabilità nell'esecuzione di Mussolini. Ma è probabile che anche
il governo di Londra abbia colto la notizia dell'esecuzione con un
sospiro di sollievo.
http://www.pensionatiugl.it/l'italia%20del%20tempo/Peche%20Musolini.htm
Romano si riferisce a questo per quanto riguarda Churchill:
"Nazioni diverse hanno modi diversi di fare la stessa cosa. (...).
Nessuna questione politica può essere giudicata indipendentemente
dalla propria atmosfera e dal proprio ambiente. Se fossi stato
italiano, sono sicuro che sarei stato con voi dal principio alla fine
contro i bestiali appetiti e le passioni del leninismo. Ma in
Inghilterra non abbiamo avuto ancora da affrontare questo pericolo
sotto la stessa forma micidiale. Noi abbiamo il nostro modo
particolare di fare le cose. Ma su una cosa non ho il minimo dubbio, e
cioè che noi [fascisti e democratici uniti -n.] riusciremo, nella
lotta contro il comunismo, a strozzarlo.
"Dirò (...) qualche parola su un aspetto internazionale del fascismo.
Esternamente, il vostro movimento ha reso un servizio al mondo intero.
Il gran timore che ha sempre tormentato ogni capo democratico o
socialista è quello di essere silurato o superato da qualche altro
capo più estremista di lui. Si disse che una continua corsa verso la
sinistra, una specie di fatale franamento verso l'abisso, fosse la
caratteristica di tutte le rivoluzioni: l'Italia ha dimostrato che v'è
un modo di combattere le forze sovversive, modo che può richiamare la
massa del popolo ad una reale cooperazione con l'onore e gli interessi
dello Stato."
(W. Churchill, discorso all'Ambasciata inglese a Roma il 20.1.'27)

 (W. Churchill, discorso all'Ambasciata inglese a Roma il 20.1.'27)
Questa invece e' merda che hai scopiazzato da
http://www.tightrope.it/user/chefare/archivcf/cf52/dresda45.html
-Stefano

per la libertà del capitale inglese....
Invece, siccome era anglosassone, è stato un fascistone!
--
Attenzione: vista la gentaglia che circola su questo NG
sono stato costretto a rimuovere i riferimenti all'Unto.
Donato Pecorella: costretto suo malgrado a essere volgare.

 in Russia.
e come avvenne in mezza Europa negli anni '20 e '30 prima che Stalin
fosse costretto a metterci una pezza, che se aspettavano gli inglesi,
Polonia, Austria, Cecoslovacchia e compagnia bella sarebbero roba
nazista ancora oggi...

 
http://www.tightrope.it/user/chefare/archivcf/cf52/dresda45.html
quella merda è un discorso realmente tenuto, a cui fa riferimento
Romano...

 che siano veri)
appunto, contano i fatti, ovvero quello che fecero i "democratici"
inglesi quando Mussolini andò al potere, cioè niente...
la dittatura si combatte prima che si sia instaurata completamente,
non quando ha fatto fuori tutti gli oppositori...
è da quello che valuto l'onestà di chi ciancia di antifascismo e di
lotta al totalitarismo. Se inglesi e americani stettero zitti, quando
non erano addirittura a favore (un vero democratico come Chaplin fu
fatto fuori da Hollywood perchè nel 1940, non nel '33, osava criticare
Hitler), quando Hitler e Mussolini andarono al potere, non hanno
nessun diritto a rivendicare galloni di difensori della democrazia
quando li combatteranno nella seconda guerra mondiale per ragioni
esclusivamente geopolitiche....Quando Hitler apriva i lager per
riempirli di comunisti e Mussolini quelli che non aveva ammazzato li
mandava al confine dov'era CHurchill? A dire che bisognava ringraziare
il duce per aver insegnato il metodo per combattere il comunismo...

a cui fa riferimento Romano...
...nel mondo dei tuoi sogni :)
-Stefano

metodo per combattere il comunismo...
Certo, certo....
*pat pat*
-Stefano

 Povero fesso il Regno Unito e' sceso in guerra per la Polonia
e cos'ha fatto di concreto, oltre a dichiarare guerra?

 durante la seconda guerra mondiale, vero *FESSO* di un Giovanni?
no, non lo erano quando dicevano che lo facevano per la
democrazia...lo facevano soltanto per impedire che Stalin arrivasse
fino in Francia...se Hitler fosse arrivato a Mosca, i francesi ancora
sarebbero sudditi dei nazisti...

 per le democrazie.
quella dittatura che ha portato alla disfatta dei nazisti, con gran
scorno degli appeasers di Oltremanica....ma cosa sono 20 milioni di
morti per i russofobi anglonazisti? Un buon inizio....

e cos'ha fatto di concreto, oltre a dichiarare guerra?
Ha mandato soldati a morire combattendo contro i Nazisti, *FESSO* di un
giovanni.
-Stefano

Francia...
Ma che stronzate stai dicendo!!!!
La Russia di Stalin non aveva ancora mosso un dito.
-Stefano


20 milioni, vero?

 La Russia di Stalin non aveva ancora mosso un dito.
sto parlando dello sbarco in Normandia, analfabeta...

20 milioni, vero?
20 milioni???? Ma di che ca**o stai parlando?
-Stefano

sto parlando dello sbarco in Normandia, analfabeta...
*FESSO*!
Gli inglesi erano sbarcato in Europa ben prima dello sbarco in
Normandia!
*DUNKERQUE* ti dice nulla, ignorante?
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_di_Dunkerque
-Stefano