Newsgroup: it.politica.internazionale
Titolo: A shameful kind of Zionist

Questi sono coloro che stanno lottando per la pace?
Queste sarebbero le vittime?
Questi sono gli idoli del bagarozzo del castagno, del reverendo e Co?
Poi c'e' gente che ha il coraggio di dire che la pace sara' minata dai 
terroristi palestinesi...
Oppure quelli che si scandalizzano se si paragonano questi zionisti ai 
nazisti...
Per fortuna ci sono anche israeliani onesti che hanno il coraggio di mettere 
a nudo questa verita', Ovvero (come riportato alla fine dell'articolo):
"if this be Zionism, it is disgraceful to be a Zionist. The second is that a 
society cannot be based over time on a rotting foundation of theft and 
deception, and if it does not convert its ideological basis, it is doomed. "
Commenti?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/538398.html
By Meron Benvenisti
It's been a long time since Zionism had such a revival. Everyone's joining 
in the cause to affirm their contradictory position on the issue that is the 
heart and soul of Zionism - "redemption of the land."
The attorney general's decision to put an end to the Jewish National Fund's 
discrimination when it comes to leasing land to Arabs - and his finding of a 
way to perpetuate that discrimination through "alternative lands" - has been 
praised by Yossi Beilin, who found it was a "redemption of Zionism," and 
vehemently condemned by MKs on the right, who called it "anti-Zionist."
Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu went so far as to enlist Zionism to 
legitimize the injustice of the decision to apply the absentee property 
owner's law to East Jerusalem, calling it "a proper Zionist decision."
When Zionism is called upon to excuse, legitimize and justify theft and 
discrimination, and when known facts are knowingly distorted, it becomes 
embarrassing and outrageous. Those proud of reprehensible deeds that are 
best served by silence are the first to be upset when haters of Israel and 
Zionism rely upon them to prove the accusations.
Take for example the "proper Zionist decision" regarding the theft of the 
property of West Bankers who are defined as "absent" from their lands inside 
East Jerusalem. The Israeli government drew the rusty weapon used by the 
two-year-old state to take over millions of dunam of abandoned property and 
decided to resume use of the law to continue "redeeming the land."
Like an echo of the Palestinians who preach "the return," Netanyahu said 
"Jerusalem is the same as Jaffa, Ramle, Acre and Haifa," thus opening the 
Pandora's box of West Jerusalem Arabs' "absenteeism."
The data are well-known and not disputed. Between 60 percent and 70 percent 
of West Jerusalem's land was owned by absent Palestinians, many of them East 
Jerusalemites, who were reminded again of their homes in Katamon, Baka and 
Malha. If the Jews can declare the "absence" of people who are present "an 
act of Zionist sovereignty," then their mirror image can regard the return 
of the absentee as a legitimate national goal. The approach that depicts 
"return" as terror meant to destroy Israel, while stealing the land through 
the use of force and legal high jinks is a noble Zionist deed, is only 
acceptable to those who think that universal values do not apply to them.
It's precisely that clash that the people who decided in 1968 not to apply 
the absentee owner law to East Jerusalem were trying to neutralize, seeking 
to determine that what was permissible in 1948 in the storm of war was 
prohibited in 1967. And those people were no less Zionist than Benjamin 
Netanyahu. They were certainly wiser than he: They wanted to disconnect the 
"case" of 1948 from the "case" of 1967, and turn the six-day victory into a 
lever with which Israeli-Palestinian relations would be lifted to a new 
plane, of peace and reconciliation. That aspiration was subsequently foiled 
by those who perceive Zionism as a state of permanent revolution, and 
therefore as an ideology that imposes eternal hostility.
That environment justifies thieving racist discrimination against the Arab 
"enemy" and allows distortions of history. The details have already been 
revealed about the false claims of the JNF that the land was acquired "with 
the kopeks, pennies, and centimes that went into the little blue box." The 
uprooted Palestinians, including tens of thousands of Israeli 
"absent-present" citizens, did not get a single agora for their land that 
was given to the JNF, while the government of Israel was compensated in 
their stead in a deal that was illegal even according to the heads of the 
JNF.
That pact of thieves deliberately created a blurring of voluntary 
acquisition from owners during the time of the British mandate and 
"redemption of the land" by the government of Israel, and all just because 
David Ben-Gurion was worried about the UN's power. He promised, according to 
the partition decision, that "there would not be any expropriation of Arab 
land by the Jewish state" and through the sale to the JNF wanted to 
circumvent that ban.
Ben-Gurion learned very quickly that there was nothing to fear and thus the 
need for the JNF disappeared, but the fact was established: A mechanism of 
discrimination against the Arab citizens of the state was instituted and has 
now been revived.
There are two conclusions to be drawn from this outbreak of energetic 
Zionism. First, a private one: if this be Zionism, it is disgraceful to be a 
Zionist. The second is that a society cannot be based over time on a rotting 
foundation of theft and deception, and if it does not convert its 
ideological basis, it is doomed.
K
-- 
Tonibaruch detto il bagarozzo, dopo aver fatto cilecca per l'ennesima volta
si sfogo' su IPI dicendo:
"Ma a voi funziona bene ..." 

 Commenti?
Si'.
Il primo: sei un coglione, culo tintinnante.
Il secondo: è divertente quando ti batti il petto con le alucce,
credendo di aver fatto chissà quale scoop su roba di cui non sai
assolutamente un cazzo. 
Il terzo: come al solito, molto rumore per nulla. 
http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=6512&CategoryId=14
Attorney General Cancels Jerusalem Land Expropriation 
 February 02, 2005 
 By Dan Izenberg     
 Attorney-General Menahem Mazuz on Tuesday instructed the finance
minister to stop applying the Absentee Property Law to land and
buildings in east Jerusalem owned by Palestinians living in the West
Bank.
Tb

 Si'.
Tu no... I tuoi commenti valgono meno della palla di merda che continui a 
far rotolare...
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 far rotolare...
Toh! Ci sei finito dentro.
Quando ti senti affogare timona con la tastiera che hai nel culo.
Tb
-- 
Alcuni di noi hanno storie di merda che fanno male. 
Il kiwi, appena decorato con tastiera nel culo, fronde di quercia, 
spade e diamanti

 far rotolare...
Poco fa in un atlro thread Ams a Toni:
Sei un buffone...uno di quelli che fa pena...
Aspetto tuoi commenti circa quell'interessante articolo di Haaretz
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/538398.html
Con le fughe stai migliorando kiwi ma sei sempre spreciso, lasci in giro 
un sacco d'impronte <g>
Palmiro Pangloss
-- 
"But, Michael, if you ever show up at my front door with a camera I'll 
kill you."
Clint Eastwood to Michael Moore
National Board of Review awards dinner at the Tavern on the Green, New 
York, NY 11.01.05


Reveredo missino venditore di catorci, se tu consideri la merdata scritta 
dal bagarozzo sia un commento:
 " Il primo: sei un coglione, culo tintinnante.
Il secondo: è divertente quando ti batti il petto con le alucce,
credendo di aver fatto chissà quale scoop su roba di cui non sai
assolutamente un cazzo. "
vuol dire che sei veramente un suo degno compare...
L' articolo riportato proviene da Hareetz...o sono anche loro nazisti?
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 assolutamente un cazzo. "
Quoto ancora.
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 L' articolo riportato proviene da Hareetz...o sono anche loro nazisti?
E chi l'ha mai detto? La cosa ridicola e' che tu credi di aver 
"dimostrato" chissa' cosa citando quell'articolo. Nonche' il fatto che 
prima sfidi Toni a commentare per poi dire, quando lo fa, che il suo 
commento non lo vuoi. Sei francamente ridicolo.
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 assolutamente un cazzo. "
Perfettamente dimostrati dal terzo: "come al solito, molto rumore per
nulla."   Con corredo di link palestinese che hai sapientemente (rotfl)
cuttato.
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Ridicolo sei tu che consideri i commenti fatti da quel rotolatore di sterco 
come commenti di un essere umano serio...
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 cuttato.
Ok, rotolatore di sterco impotente, con parole tue cerca di dimostrare cosa 
hai voluto dimopstrare con quell'articolo del link palestinese. Che quelli 
di Haaretz sono antisemiti, o sono semplicemente impazziti? Mi spieghi il 
perche una nota testata gionalistica israeliana ha pubblicato 
quell'articolo?
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