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Titolo: Per ricordare: strage di palestinesi a Sabra e Chatila, Libano 1982

Visto che negazionisti come De Cesari si ostinano a negare 
responsabilita' israeliane nel massacro di Sabra e Chatila in Libano
ecco la cronaca di un incontro con uno dei massacratori da parte di 
Robert Fisk, corrispondente de The Independent dal Medioriente negli 
anni dell'occupazione  israeliana del Libano.
Il Libro di Fisk in cui narra il massacro, e la complicita' di Sharon, 
e' 'Pity the Nation' , reperibile su Amazon.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/articles13.htm
Elie Hobeika: lady-killer and blood-soaked war criminal
By Robert Fisk in Beirut - 25 January 2002
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=116255
I once received a message from Elie Hobeika, who was killed yesterday in 
a Beirut car bombing. Elie, I was told, was very unhappy with my book 
about the Lebanon war, Pity The Nation.
In it, I had described how he led the Phalangist murderers into the 
Palestinian camps of Sabra and Chatila in 1982 ­ under the eyes of the 
Israelis, who did nothing ­ and slaughtered up to 1,700 Palestinian 
refugees. Who did I think I was? Elie was very unhappy. Elie was the Al 
Pacino of Lebanon.
I sent back a message. Elie had problems, I said. The Israelis 
themselves had named him as the principal murderer and war criminal in 
the Kahan commission report ­ the same inquiry which said that Ariel 
Sharon, then Defence Minister and now Israeli Prime Minister, was 
"personally responsible'" for the slaughter. If Elie wanted to shut me 
up, I said, I would ask about Sabra and Chatila at every press 
conference he gave in Beirut. The next thing I received from Elie was a 
bottle of champagne.
During the Lebanese civil war, Elie had changed sides. After being 
trained in an Israeli camp ­ no American bombing for "terrorists" 
trained in Israel, of course ­ he led the pro-Israeli Christian Maronite 
Phalange into the Beirut camp for the massacre. But Sister Syria later 
smiled upon him. He led an attack against his former militia associates 
and, in post-war Beirut became minister for electricity in the 
pro-Syrian Lebanese government, a period marked by massive power cuts 
and little electricity.
So outraged was the Lebanese government at the corruption of his 
ministry that, so it was said, four Lebanese Army trucks were sent to 
his east Beirut home to retrieve carpets, furniture and personal effects 
worth up to £7.2m looted from public coffers. The Palestinians longed 
for his death. The Syrians withdrew their security cover, the Israelis 
remained indifferent ­ until he threatened to grass on Mr Sharon.
Despite his mistresses he was a lonely man. Morose, unable to travel for 
fear of arrest for war crimes and defiant in the face of continued 
accusations of massacre. His young fiancée had been raped and murdered 
by Palestinian gunmen in the town of Damour in 1975. He hated 
Palestinians ­ although he later employed a Palestinian from Haifa to 
run his public relations outfit.
As a government minister, he sought respectability. When the father of 
Mai Kahale, the Lebanese President's spokes-woman, died, he was there in 
an armchair, in the family home, grieving with the relatives. When the 
Pope went to Leban-on, Mr Hobeika was standing obsequiously in line to 
bow before the Holy Father. When Time magazine editors were due to be 
hosted by the Leban-ese Prime Minister, Mr Hobeika was invited to the 
state dinner ­ but seated on a table without journalists, a pariah 
minister. He was suave, intelligent, ruthless and, like many war 
criminals, a lady-killer. His former bodyguard, codenamed "Cobra", 
listed his mistresses in a book later banned in Lebanon, creating a 
scandale in Beirut even more animated than the condemnation of the camp 
massacres.
The 1,700 civilians were murdered by Hobeika Phalangist thugs under the 
eyes of the Israelis. The Israelis were later to recall his response to 
a Phalangist officer who asked what he should do with Palestinian 
civilian prisoners: "Don't ask me such a stupid question again," Mr 
Hobeika laughingly replied. Later, he claimed he was in Sweden at the 
time of the massacre.
Five years ago Elie thought he might have a chance of becoming President 
of Lebanon. I received a call from Elie's old friend, Rudy Baludi. How 
about dinner at the Vieux Quartierrestaurant in east Beirut?
In the seedy bar, Rudy explained Elie's problem. He might want to be 
President. He was, after all, a Maronite Christian ­ the main condition 
for the presidency ­ and had the people of Lebanon at heart.
What was my advice? How did he deal with those unfortunate stories about 
Sabra and Chatila? I said he should tell the truth. In fact, I suggested 
he told the whole story to The Independent ­ the killings, the rape, the 
slaughter. Once he'd got this of his chest, he could see how the world 
responded to a confessed war criminal. Murderers had become presidents 
before, I said. Killers had become leaders in Africa, China, the Soviet 
Union, the Arab Nations, Israel; why ­ dare I say it? ­ a Wehrmacht 
intelligence officer had become President of Austria.
Alas, Elie decided he had no chance of becoming President. The interview 
never took place although, a few weeks later, I received another 
message. Elie would like a signed copy of Pity The Nation. I sent it, 
even though it contained evidence of his complicity in the 1982 
massacres.
Last July, he started to walk on thin ice. Anxious to reconstitute his 
identity ­ or fearful of being set up for war crimes' charges by Mr 
Sharon ­ Mr Hobeika called a press conference. "I am in possession of 
evidence of my innocence concerning Sabra and Chatila," he told us. "And 
I have evidence of what actually happened at Sabra and Chatila which 
will throw a completely new light on the Kahan commission report."
My last message from Elie was that bottle of champagne: a magnum of 
Veuve Clicquot La Grande Dame Rosé 1988. I never drank it. I felt it was 
contaminated. It lay in my fridge here in Beirut last night. I know many 
in Lebanon would like to drink it in celebration. But I suspect that, if 
I uncorked it, blood would spurt out.
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in a Beirut car bombing.
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-Stefano

 mediorientali :)
Magari non saro' uno specialista, e perche' mai lo dovrei essere? Sono 
solo una persona ragionevole che conosce ragionevolmente i principali 
eventi del MO, mica un ca**aro come te che fa finta di avere in serbo 
gli archivi del KGB, ma non e' in grado di offire nessuna prospettiva di 
verita', ma solo il soffocamento della stessa. Uno che si contenta di 
mettere i bastoni nelle ruote agli altri perche' non emerga la squallida 
verita' dei pendagli da forca al potere in Israele, magari anche con 
attacchi ad personam...
Ritiro quello che avevo detto: non mi fai nemmeno piu' ridere...
Se non partecipi ai miei post mi fai un piacere. Ti usero' la stessa 
cortesia.
A.

Se non partecipi ai miei post mi fai un piacere.
Se non scrivi sul ng non rispondero' alle sciocchezze che dici :)
In caso contrario continuero' a far notare le tue boiate e la tua
ignoranza.
-Stefano

 -Stefano
Da uno cosi' screditato come te non c'ho molto da temere...
A.

Da uno cosi' screditato come te
...disse Amalric Bond, il figlio segreto di James Bond che combatteva
l'Irgun dal Cairo... :)
-Stefano

 -Stefano
A me di chi ca**o sei figlio non me n'importa nulla. Non credo che tu 
sia un idiota per motivi genetici, ma perche' hai pervertito le tue 
capacita' mentali per non vedere e non sentire e non dire  fatti 
insopportabili della storia recente e meno a qualsiasi coscienza civile.
E visto che non per ora non mi sembri recuperabile alla medesima, o a 
qualsiasi forma di correttezza, 
 Ti plonko 
A.

 Buffone in malafede...
Non offendere i buffoni e piuttosto chiediti perchè sei l'unico che
dialoga con l'essere più in malafede del web. Sei masochista?
-- 
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dialoga con l'essere più in malafede del web.
...disse l'essere piu' in malafede del web... :)
-Stefano

  Ti plonko
Azz... Questa non mi giunge nuova :)
-Stefano