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Titolo: Boker Tov!

che significa: buongiorno! 
 
Peace Now Shocked to Discover Arabs Don’t Want Peace
 
What will it take to convince supporters of Peace Now the imperative of their organization’s name depends on the Arabs rather than the Jews? After 18+ years of Arab terrorism and rejection of peace offers since the Oslo Accords, it’s hard to say whether anything the Palestinians could do or say would cause them to rethink their myopic view of the world. But give Americans for Peace Now’s Lara Friedman a little credit. After schlepping to an Arab League conference on Jerusalem, she at least had the wit to notice that just about everybody else there was focused on delegitimizing Israel, denouncing its existence within any borders and denying thousands of years of Jewish history.
 
However, it’s hard not to chuckle a little bit at the indignant tone affected by Friedman in her op-ed published in the Forward as she conveys her shock and dismay to discover the Arab world believes Jews have no rights in Jerusalem or any other part of Israel. She and her group had so convinced themselves all it will take to create peace “now” was for Israelis to support a two-state solution and negotiate, it appears they never took the time or effort to realize the other side has little interest in peace, now or at any other time. This gives her piece the tone of a parody worthy of The Onion even though it was written in deadly earnest. Indeed, it must be considered in writing such an article she has demonstrated the utter cluelessness of her group better than anything the group’s critics could have come up with.
 
What is so touching (as well as more than a bit comical) about Friedman’s piece is that much of what she says in it is true. For example:
 
    If President Abbas cannot acknowledge Jewish claims in Jerusalem, even as he asserts Palestinian claims (a problem Yasser Arafat suffered from), he should not be surprised if it is more difficult for Israelis and Jews, wherever they are, to believe that he can be trusted in a peace agreement that leaves Jerusalem sites precious to Jews under Palestinian control.
 
    If representatives of the organization that sponsored the Arab Peace Initiative cannot bring themselves to acknowledge the legitimacy of Jewish equities in Jerusalem, they should know that they discredit their own professed interest in peace. …
 
    All throughout the day, it was unfortunately the same story. Participants talked about Jerusalem as if Jewish history did not exist or was a fraud — as if all Jewish claims in the city were just a tactic to dispossess Palestinians.
 
Friedman is quite right about all of this. But does it really need to be pointed out that she needn’t have traveled to Doha to figure this out? The Palestinians and their cheerleaders have been making this clear for decades. That is why Peace Now in Israel has been discredited by the events that have transpired since the Oslo Accords were signed, and their political supporters in the Knesset have been trounced in election after election. The traditional left in Israel, at least as far as the Palestinian issue is concerned, is barely alive, though you wouldn’t know it from the way many on the Jewish left in the United States talk. The conceit of groups like Americans for Peace Now and J Street — that Israel must be pressured to make peace by the United States for its own good — makes no sense once you realize the Jewish state has repeatedly tried and failed to trade land for peace and the Palestinians have little interest in a two-state solution no matter where Israel’s borders would be drawn.
 
Friedman archly compares the Arab hate fest she is attending to Jewish conclaves where only pro-Israel speakers participate. This is a bit much as is her insinuation no one who cares for Israel’s future can possibly oppose a partition of Jerusalem that would place Jewish holy places in the tender care of Abbas and his Hamas allies. As she has discovered to her consternation, Palestinians don’t care about Jewish sensibilities, let alone Jewish rights. Her failure to draw any rational conclusions from what she has heard in Doha tells us all we need to know about the irrelevance of Peace Now to any serious discussion about the future of the Middle East.
 
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/02/28/peace-now-shocked-arab-league-jerusalem/
 
 

 che significa: buongiorno! 
 
al che l'altro israeliano risponde "nu?" tipica espressione ebraica di icastica concisione che va tradotta a seconda delle circostanze. In questo caso, "c'è Hamas che tira missili e Luca Logi su IPI fa lo spiritoso dicendo che dovrei essere deportato da Sderot (è un esempio a caso, ma ci si può mettere qualsiasi altro evento che fa girare le balle a chi ha ricevuto il saluto, perchè la legge della cittadinanza prescrive di avere i coglioni girati per essere israeliano, se sono al loro posto è un goy che ci sta a prova') e mi auguri buongiorno? Affanculo (ehudbarak) ci vai da solo o ti ci devo accompagnare facendoti ballare a calci nel culo (naghila hava)?"). 
Gente rude e di poche parole ("una parola è troppa e due sono poche", Zagaria 25,17), dedita al commercio di mignotte a Cipro, e di organi a Kiev, come sarebbe piaciuto al Padre della Patria, il Compagno David Ben Gurion (quello che non voleva quel fascista di Jabotinski a Gerusalemme, nemmeno da morto.)
HOP

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effettivamente quella qua sopra e' una trottata non da poco

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è perchè vedo Luck, e mi immedesimo nei cavalli che corrono.

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solo che sembri piu' un somaro.

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"se vuoi avere successo sii te stesso"
"ma io sono un asino"
"e allora sii asino" (cit.)

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Strano che tu non abbia avuto più successo.
 
-- 
“Those who expect to reap the blessings of  freedom, must, like men,
undergo the  fatigues of supporting it.”  - North Idaho 21st Batallion of
Light Foot

 Strano che tu non abbia avuto più successo.
 
te lo consiglio, è sulle corse dei cavalli, c'è un cast di prim'ordine (Dustin Hoffman, Nick Nolte i più famosi), e la trama è all'altezza della fama degli attori

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L'ho visto.
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