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Titolo: Rasmussen unhappy with special treatment of Basso

Danish climber Michael Rasmussen, who is recovering from a broken femur 
during the crash in the Giro dell'Emilia, is unhappy with the fact that 
Ivan Basso is going to ride for Discovery Channel next season.
Basso parted company with his former team, CSC, following serious doping 
allegations in the wake of Operación Puerto. Basso then signed a 
two-year contract with the American team even though all ProTour teams 
had previously agreed not to sign riders who are under suspicion.
"It is irritating that the legal aspects are unsolved, and that the 
gentleman's agreement that all ProTour-teams have consented to is 
circumvented as soon as a prominent rider is involved who also has the 
potential to win the Tour de France. It is irritating that not everyone 
has equal rights," Rasmussen told the Danish TV station DR.
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 has equal rights," Rasmussen told the Danish TV station DR.
Interesting, when we talk about men's cycling, we nearly always talk about
doping, and when we talk about women's cycling, we talk about everything
else except doping, the way is should be. For the fans, we don't care so
much, because it's like pestilence, constant aggravation, but for the
riders, I was reminded that the curve is very steep, because someone is
stealing their lunch, while their short career in the limelight is fading
away. However, I wonder if like Iraq, doping has no solution, other then the
worst ones, but no matter, I watch the underdogs anyway on the ladies side,
and fret much less over Basso and company, etc. Glad I do, or doping
discussions would become a bad obsession, destroying my perspective on the
sport!
B-

 else except doping, the way is should be.
This is cause you and Megalon have more interest in women's bottom.
Cycling it's an optional, it doesn't really matter for you.
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 Cycling it's an optional, it doesn't really matter for you.
Now that is what you might call a (low blow) in boxing! I was talking with a
friend about the women's tour de france in 1984. I wrote a little piece, and
a friend added to it, so it's more then raw beauty, but cycling is always
optional, its sports entertainement.
B-
I wrote...
Mary-Ann Martin was born November 1st 1957. The first women's Tour De France
was held in July, had 18 stages covering between 616 to 620 miles. The
women's tour ran the same time as the mens during the last two weeks of the
men's edition. Marianne Martin won the tour with a time of 29 hours, 39
minutes, and 2 seconds. Another America Deborah Shumway came in 3rd. Martin
suffered from Anemia earlier in the year and had been riding poorly, but she
took the lead in the 14th stage when they encountered the climbs. Martin was
a good climber and never gave up the lead into Paris. The streets were said
to contain more than two million spectators watching the race. A bonus was
that her father had flown in to watch the finish for her victory lap along
the Champs Elysees. It was a dream come true that almost never happened,
since the race conflicted with the games in LA. The USCF didn't send a team
so the North Jersey Women's Bicycle Club took up the slack. A French company
supplied the equipment and clothes since they couldn't wear the national
team jerseys. Martin had said that she begged to get on the team, so the
outcome was quite remarkable. Also between the 1984 Women's Tour De France
victory and Connie Carpenter successes during the games, women were credited
with increasing the level of awareness and prestige to cycling in America.
Marianne Martin...
1984 TDF
1st on final GC
3rd place in stage 1
3rd place in stage 8
1st place in stage 12
3rd place in stage 13
1st place in stage 14
2nd place in stage 15
And a friend wrote...
 Quoting a book I  know: "Because in many countries bicycle racing is almost
exclusively the
province of women, Lévitan also created a Tour Féminin in 1984, in which
teams from the United States, England, Canada, and the Netherlands, as well
as two from France, took part.  He had also hoped to attract a team from
China B the biggest bicycle manufacturer in the world B but that did not
happen until 1985.  Of course this initiative, too, was far from
disinterested, but that does not alter the fact that womens bicycle racing
was hugely stimulated now that it could profit from the prestige of the Tour
de France.  The winners of the yellow and green jerseys, the American
Marianne Martin and the Netherlander Mieke Havik, stood on the podium that
had been erected on the Champs Elysées for Fignon, Hinault and Greg LeMond
and in this way got far more publicity than had ever come the way of their
predecessors."

 has equal rights," Rasmussen told the Danish TV station DR.
Patetico.
Qualcuno dica a Rasmussen che tanto lui il Tour non lo vincerà mai.

 Qualcuno dica a Rasmussen che tanto lui il Tour non lo vincerà mai.
ancora più patetico il commento del danese che organizza il Giro di 
Danimarca: in sostanza il fatto che la Discovery si sia avvalsa di 
avvocati per valutare la posizione di Basso (a chi minchia dovevano 
rivolgersi? a Topo Gigio?) dà adito a sospetti su Basso...neanche si è 
soffermato a notare che quegli avvocati, eivdentemente competenti in 
materia di legge, hanno concluso che Basso ha diritto di essere 
ingaggiato e correre.
Almeno si risparmiassero certe figure!

 Almeno si risparmiassero certe figure!
Oddio, a dirla tutta, questo non è mica indicativo. Secondo la mia 
esperienza gli avvocati (come i geologi o comunque i periti di parte esperti 
di qualunque tipo di materia) vengono ingaggiati e pagati per  esprimere un 
parere che dia ragione a coloro che li han pagati....  Pareri negativi alla 
propria parte da parte di un perito di parte (bello questo gioco di parole) 
mi è capitato assai raramente di vederne. Questo naturalmente a prescindere 
dal fatto specifico...
-- 
"Du temps que la Nature en sa verve puissante
Concevait chaque jour des enfants monstrueux,
J'eusse aimé vivre auprès d'une jeune géante
Comme aux pieds d'une reine un chat voluptueux
J'eusse aimé voir son corps fleurir avec son ame
Et grandir librement dans ses terribles jeux;
Deviner si son coeur couve une sombre flamme
Aux humides brouillards qui nagent dans ses yeux;
Parcourir à loisir ses magnifiques formes;
Ramper sur le versant de ses genoux énormes,
Et parfois en été, quand les soleils malsains,
Lasse, la font s'étendre à travers la campagne,
Dormir nonchallament à l'ombre de ses seins,
Comme un hameau paisible au pied d'une montagne."
Charles Baudelaire

 
infatti coloro che devono decidere se Basso ha diritto di correre o meno 
sono le istituzioni che governano il ciclismo e, secondo le loro stesse 
normative, è stata la disiplinare della federazione italiana a doversi 
pronunciare e l'ha fatto. Tanto è vero che il tipo non è nemmeno entrato 
nel merito della questione, ma ha solo detto che rivolgersi algli 
avvocati è sufficiente per renderlo un personaggio sospetto.
Bella logica del cazzo

 Bella logica del cazzo
In sé hai anche ragione, tuttavia ti ricordo che si sta parlando di 
avvocati...
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com'era la barzelletta? Come fai a capire se un avvocato sta mentendo?

 com'era la barzelletta? Come fai a capire se un avvocato sta mentendo?
cosa sono 1000 avvocati incatenati insieme in fondo all'oceano?

 cosa sono 1000 avvocati incatenati insieme in fondo all'oceano?
un buon inizio :-P

 Cycling it's an optional, it doesn't really matter for you.
To be more serious about your remarks, I think the season lends itself to
being in good spirits, laughter and Christmas cheer, but I will try to give
a more sober response. First off, I think Megalon is pretty much a generous
wholehearted supporter of women's cycling. I mean I think he really cares
about making sure the women get all the support they can get, and really I
think he cares little about their bottoms, certainly less then me. Modesta
has a boyfriend, so it's quite obvious he is doing a very unselfish thing
supporting her. While sometimes, we sometimes don't see eye to eye on Cooke,
nor him with Luperini, it's just sports entertainment that in the end,
shouldn't be taken too seriously.
As for the bottoms, if I wanted that, I would follow models around and take
photos of them. While women cyclists at times are fit and have incredible
bodies, they are not anywhere near as sexy as models and movie stars, rock
stars and such. I had a similar problem in another cycling newsgroup, which
when you like to be a fan of women's cycling and follow that closely, people
often accuse you of only being interested in the sexual aspects. Since often
fans in the newsgroup have no interest to follow the women, they settle for
posts that admire their physical beauty.
 I don't mind that so much, I think there are some great sexy women pros out
there today, but I enjoy talking about any aspects of women's cycling, and
would rather not get stuck on the sexual aspects, but often that is the
level of interest in the group and it rarely goes any further. If it does,
then we can take it to the next level and take about the girls, the races,
the history of it, but that rarely happens so I indulge people also who
solely want to admire their beauty. Obviously Luperini is not a sex goddess,
but I respect her a lot, and it's always interesting to hear of her
exploits.
Cooke is not a beauty queen either, so I hardly think Megalon follows her as
a sex goddess. He admires what she has accomplished in a few short years,
and while myself I sometimes throw eggs like a bad prankster on Halloween, I
can't deny her success, as I did put her in the top 15 riders of all time,
and that's no small thing. But for me, the women are not only cool because
they don't take drugs, but they are sexy and beautiful in the gay colors of
spandex , polyester. It makes perfect sense, and they make cycling an
attractive beautiful sport, both because they are drug free and also because
they are beautiful to watch on the bike.
 Poetry in motion is even more suited to the women, although the men had
their great riders as well, that gave itself to finesse and character, but
its because women are sensitive emotional creatures, more so then men, that
they stand out even more on the bike, both in victory and defeat, the
expressions of pain and glory. They are every bit as colorful as characters
as the men, it's just that they go slower, that's all, nothing more. As for
the men I used to follow them a lot during the 90's, I have all the tours
and many classics on video.
 Lemond, Pantani, Indurain, ect. on and on, but it was more fun then, and
much easier to follow the races and riders without the constant distraction
of the doping scandals which we have today. While the doping scandals
increased in the late 90's, I was still enjoying the men tour de France, but
I was also already following the women's races. It's not just Leontien who
caught my attention in the early 90's, but I had helped a few girls get into
cycling in my home town, and I already knew about the hardships of what the
women and their events were suffering.
 So for me personally, I have always been a fan of the women, just like the
men, but now more so for the women, because its very hard to follow both men
and women closely, so time only permits me to follow one side of the sport,
as the men already have their millions of followers, so I do my part for the
ladies. But to say I follow their bottoms, is very unfair, since I have
written and researched quite a bit about the ladies. I got into cycling
again the second time to recover from knee injuries, which I dislocated both
knees several times at karate tournaments.
I was not only a great climber in the mountains, but I trained as a 2nd
degree black belt for 12 years so I was always keen on extreme physical
exercise. My best friend at the time was a navy seal and he teaches navy
seals in San Diego today. He was better then me, and he used kick my butt
around until I got better, but he had all the special forces training. He
wasn't into the bike like me, and later on in life I settled on cycling as a
break from Karate and my bad knees, but following cycling in Europe has
always been fascination to me, until the men's side became overwhelmed with
doping scandals, and I have long since switched to following the women, but
I really hope there will be a solution to the men's doping issues, as I do
support the riders more then the doping agencies. Someday perhaps, these
doping issues won't make any difference, and then we can get back to just
enjoying the sport as we did in the past. As for the women, they were smart
enough it seems to have skipped all the bad chapters in history, which has
plagued the sport.
B-

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Visto che alla fine mi date sempre ragione? Forse che Rasmussen non abbia 
tutti i torti? :-)
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 Now that is what you might call a (low blow) in boxing!
In Italy, we had a magnificient poet called "Rocco Smitherson". One of his
most popular sentences was (I've used the past, even if he is still alive,
because he doesn't give us more poetries,unfortunately):
"Sparare sulla Croce Rossa... sono sempre 50 punti" 
that's sounds almost like (a real italian translation!):
"Shoot at Red Cross... are always 50 points" 
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