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Titolo: 10 Auto

Un calibro affascinante sulla carta. In effetti non ho mai visto in poligono
qualcuno che l'ha usato e cosě non ho potuto farmi una idea di raffronto con
altri calibri "tosti".
Chi di voi l'ha provato che mi dice? E poi sopravvive, o il 40SW l'ha
definitivamente eliminato?
Per quanto mi riguarda, le munizioni piů toste che ho usato sono le 357
ricaricate ai limiti in canna da 6".
Grazie per le vostre impressioni.

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ricaricate ai limiti in canna da 6".
Tieni presente che le "sensazioni" che ti offre una semiauto sono diverse da
quelle di un revolver.....cmq se spari il .357 puoi sparare anche il
.10.....^_______^
Ciao by Sniper!! ....che belli i calibri "obsoleti".......^________^

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 .10.....^_______^

caricate "soft", i vecchi "FBI load" sono oramai introvabili.... :-((
CUT
A proposito di FBI.... lessi, anni fà, di un H&K MP5 camerato in 10
Auto proprio per l'FBI, ma esiste davvero??
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Auto proprio per l'FBI, ma esiste davvero??
You spek englishhhhh??? (...nota: non piace a tutti:-)
"
In 1991, Heckler & Koch introduced MP5A4 and MP5A5 submachine guns chambered
for the 10mm Auto cartridge. Designated the MP5/10, this gun is nearly
identical to the other MP5 variants of Heckler & Kochs submachine guns
except for its chambering and a very slight increase in weight. Nevertheless
the gun is readily recognizable by its straight, transparent 30-round
plastic magazine. One other departure from the standard MP5 design is a bolt
catch located on the left side of the receiver above and to the front of the
selector.
The MP5/10 is normally seen with the H&K "4-Position Group" with single,
semiauto, three-round burst, and auto positions. Like many other burst
mechanisms, the three-round burst in the 4-Position Group sometimes fires
only one or two shots if the trigger is pulled and quickly released before
the cycle is completed.
Heckler & Koch's submachine guns have proven to be one of the company's more
popular weapon groups worldwide. The submachine gun was originally designed
the "HK54." However the "MP5" (Machine Pistol number 5) designation used by
the West German Border Police has been the name that "stuck" with the
firearm since this was the first major purchaser of the submachine gun. As
the MP5 name became more and more popular, Heckler & Koch soon followed suit
and redesignated its submachine gun as the "MP5" in its catalogs and
literature.
The standard 4x24 Heckler & Koch detachable scope fits the MP5 including the
MP5/10 as do the company's "1003 Aiming Projector" which creates a narrow
beam of intense light along the line of fire from the gun. The 55-watt
Halogen lamp is energized by a 12-volt battery coupled to a button,
permitting locating and identifying targets; the manufacturer claims that an
experienced shooter using the spot for aiming can hit targets of about four
inches in diameter at distances of 75 meters. The bright light can also be
employed to dazzle targets by switching the light on for a short period
during which several single shots or bursts are fired. The light is then
switched off briefly, after which the procedure is repeated, the dazzling
effect giving a tactical advantage to the user.
In the early 1990s, Heckler & Koch introduced a small laser sight for its
MP5s. Designated the "HK 100 Laser Aimer," this sight mounts in the front of
the charging lever tube, just below the front sight. A momentary switch is
placed on the handguard, permitting switching the laser on briefly to
acquire a target. For those using night vision goggles, the company's
"INKAS" infrared laser sight might also be employed on the MP5. Adapter
mounts to place military night vision scopes are also available for use with
the MP5 submachine guns.
Unlike many other modern submachine guns that operate with blow-back action
and fire from an open bolt, the MP5/10 fires from a closed bolt in the same
manner that its G3 rifle counterpart does. The bolt also uses the locking
rollers of the rifle for delayed blow-back, permitting a much lighter rifle.
Firing from a closed bolt does increase the chance of cookoffs during long
strings of automatic fire; but many special force units prefer the MP5
because of the inherent accuracy firing from a closed bolt offers. This
greater accuracy is possible due to less movement of the firearm. When the
first shot is fired, only the hammer travels forward when the trigger is
pulled, rather than a heavy bolt slamming forward as is the case with guns
firing from an open bolt.
The delayed recoil roller blocks incorporated into the MP5/10 does away with
the need for a heavy bolt as well as a gas system. This arrangement also
permits guns to have their barrels cut down to extremely short lengths while
still operating reliably. Because the roller system doesn't turn or
otherwise loosen the cartridge before it is extracted (unlike most
gas-operated firearms), fluted cuts run inside of the barrel's chamber.
During the moment of firing, a small amount of gas travels alongside the
cartridge thereby "floating" it on a cushion of hot vapor for easy
extraction.
The MP5 submachine guns first made their public appearance in 1966
literature from Heckler & Koch. Generally the "MP5" designation is the
standard stocked submachine gun. When the retractable stock was placed on
the receiver, the original submachine guns were designated as "MP5A1s".
Minor modifications were made to the basic design of the submachine guns in
1987. The new fixed stock version then became the "MP5A2" while the
retractable stock version became the "MP5A3." That said, the MP5/10 is
generally seen with the telescoping stock. The MP5/10 also has the
newer-styled handguard which is smooth and tapers to the front of the gun
rather than the older, non-tapering checkered handguard. "
Ti è andata bene che lo avevo sottomano.....^______^
ciao by Sniper!!

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oooooooooooooooopssssssssssssss!!!!
Bč, non vedo problemi....errare č umano....^_____^
Ciao by Sniper!!  ......ex-mostro!.....^________^

10 auto.
Gli *attuali* FBI Load hanno le cariche ridotte (per venire incontro a quei
poveri agenti....invece di farli addestrare di più!). E che io sappia, sono
ancora in produzione (Federal?)
Ma i primi caricamenti per il Federal Boureau erano a carica piena....sul
serio! Ci credo che creavano dei problemi (a gente che spara meno di quel
che si vede nei film.......)
Queste munizioni sono oramai quasi introvabili (in Italia....scommetto che
in USA quelle dismesse sono finite sul mercato civile a prezzi
stracciati....:-(((( )
Ciao by Sniper!!

a puro titolo di curiosità: é stata prodotta anche una Glock in 10 auto, di
dimensioni "service" e peso Glock. il cannone, se ricordo bene aveva un
caricatore da 15 colpi e (secondo la recensione che cito a memoria) un
rinculo da revolver caricato con .357 "fiacche",
Mi chiedo come possa essere gestibile dalla 1a alla 15a cartuccia
(bilanciamento!!!) e quanto duri il  fusto in plastica...
ciao!

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Comincio a capire perchè ti chiamano mostro ;-))))

comunque dismesso da poco.
Esatto, in piů c'č la 29.... te la consiglio una compatta in plastica in
10mm!!!!
Un'armeria di RE le ha ancora in catalogo.
Ciao by Sniper!!

qualcuno l'ha mai provata?
Spiacente: vista si (le aveva [ha?] Bersaglio Mobile), provata no.
E devo dire che non piango.....^_____^
Se sei doppiamente masochista le vendono a L. 1.300/1.400.000
Ciao by Sniper!!   ....per la plastica c'è sempre tempo...^_____^

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in 9P, se vivrò abbastanza per vederle catalogate!)
"In questo caso.....avremo la fortuna di averla fra noi fino alla fine dei
tempi!!!"
da "Il ritorno di Don Camillo"
ciao by Sniper!! ......prova a ripiegare sulle 9x19 convertite in
9x18....^____^

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Ti piace Guareschi? Questo NG è frequentato da gente mitica!!!
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 Ti piace Guareschi? Questo NG è frequentato da gente mitica!!!
E a chi non piace Guareschi?
Quando, almeno nei paesini, la politica era ancora abbastanza "pulita" ...
Comunque Sniper non abita distante da Brescello perciò ... :-)

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che probabilmente viene espulso meglio del 9IMI...
piuttosto so di HK VP70 (mai vista dal vero, ma deve essere  una
trappolaccia) in 9 Makarov e di Luger convertite in 9 Makarov... sai di
niente in 9 Police?
e poi, che differenza c'è (compatibiltà) tra 9Ultra, 9Police e 9Makarov?
curiousity killed the cat! devo stare attento! ciao

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 la sua versione moderna,
...risultava anche a me... ma perchč la Walter chiamava 9Ultra il calibro
della sua PPsuper degli anni '70?

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