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cerco operatori AVID per scambiare qualche opinione


Qui ci sono solo spettatori VIVID.
Va bene lo stesso ?

 improvvisamente si alzo' in piedi e,
con aria risoluta, disse:
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Visto che tu e Nicola continuate ad incensare quello che per molti è il
produttore americano + fraudolento, ti faccio leggere un post (facilmente
reperibile sul ng americano rec.arts.movies.erotica) che è il frutto di una
ricerca portata avanti da alcuni mesi da alcuni appassionati che si sono
stancati di farsi inculare da Vivid (che al contrario di ogni altro
produttore hard non sodomizza le attrici ma i clienti):
 Vivid Video Re-Release Outtake List V. 2.0
              Maintained by J. Smith (
jsi...@excite.com
)
                     Table of Contents
                     =================
I.    What is this?
II.   Why does Vivid Video edit their video releases?
III.  Is Vivid the only company doing this?
IV.   Is there any way one can obtain an "uncut" Vivid film?
V.    How the list works.
VI.   List Flaws.
VII.  The List - Content Omitted from Videos.
VIII. The List - Content Omitted from DVDs.  
IX.   Special Thanks.
I. What is this?
================
 The purpose of this list is to identify scenes and content omitted 
from the video tape and DVD re-releases of Vivid films. 
II. Why does Vivid Video edit their video releases?
===================================================
 Although Vivid is acclaimed for their drop dead gorgeous starlets, 
and impressive productions, they are notorious when it comes to editing. 
If you've ever had the misfortune of purchasing a re-release of a Vivid 
title, you'll get a shortened copy on a 70 minute tape. This is most likely
the reason:
 When the film is a new release, a production company can get away with 
charging their distributors anywhere from $6.00 to $15.00 per copy.
However, 
when the title is eventually "dropped" to catalog, the price paid by the 
distributor can easily decrease by $2.00 to $5.00. (The term "Catalog 
Title" is used by the production company to refer to a tape that is older.
Typically anywhere from a month to a year). Most production companies will 
not alter the contents of catalog titles. However, Vivid is an exception
to that rule. Apparently they feel that the marginal savings on blank tape 
and copying time out weigh customer satisfaction. Right or wrong, it
happens
to all Vivid movies.
III. Is Vivid the only company doing this?
==========================================
 Yes. Further proof that this behavior is unjustified. Adult film 
Producer/Director Jim Gunn informs us that most production companies 
DO NOT alter the content of catalog titles. In fact, some companies 
never even drop their releases to catalog at all. 
IV. Is there any way one can obtain an "uncut" Vivid film?
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 Generally, no. Unless of course, you happen to purchase your copy before
the title is "dropped" to catalog. I was also made aware of the fact that 
Vivid DVDs suffer from editing as well. No luck there either. Your best bet
is to look around at your local adult video store. Many stores that rent 
tapes will gladly sell you the same (used) video if you ask kindly. Believe
it or not, I found this to be the case when I picked up the full length
uncut version of Vivid's "Masseuse 3" at a local smut shop not to long ago.
Full length copies do exist, you just have to seek them out.   
V. How the list works.
=======================
 So far, I have cataloged every Vivid film in my collection. Each film was 
viewed on a VCR with a real time counter. For your information, the counter
was reset at the Vivid logo screen. Information recorded includes the 
title, year of release, running time of the original film (as listed in the
I.A.F.D. at 
www.iafd.com
), and the running time of the re-release. 
A list of content omitted follows. Content omitted is a little sketchy. 
In most cases, I have a copy of the cable version of the original film for 
comparison purposes. Also, movie reviews which describe the full content of
the original release were consulted. Obviously, the best judge of content 
would be the original film itself. Unfortunately, this option is not 
currently available.
VI. List Flaws.
================
 Obviously, this list has it's problems. As stated above, the content 
omitted is sketchy. In most cases, the cable version was used for 
comparison. Also, I can only really comment on those films in my
collection. 
Unfortunately, I do not have a DVD player yet, so this list will be lacking
in the DVD department. That is why I need your help. If you have viewed a 
Vivid film that you believe was edited, drop me a line, and list the 
content omitted as well as the running time of your version. Your 
information will be listed in a future update. Once again, I must stress 
that this list will not grow without YOUR contributions. I will NOT buy 
and review Vivid films simply for the purpose of updating the list. 
So please send your contributions. 
VII. The List - Content Omitted from Videos.
=============================================
Title: Bad Girls: Lockdown
Released: 1994
Original Running Time: 80 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 74 minutes
Time cut: 6 minutes
Outtakes:
 -Janine and Isis Nile pussy licking on a table. (Brief)
 -Janine attempts to leave the room, and gets caught by a security guard.
 -Several minutes of Sahara and Isis Nile blowing Steve Drake.
 -Steve Drake fucking Isis Nile doggie style.
 -Brigitte Aime blowing Shawn Ricks. Blow job sequence truncated.
 -Some minor cuts occur during the last scene with Janine, Asia Carrera,
and
 Debi Diamond.
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Title: Bad Girls 4: Jayebird
Released: 1994
Original Running Time: 74 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 69 minutes
Time cut: 5 minutes
Outtakes:
 -Sandi Beach starts to give Bionca a massage. She rubs her chest while 
 Bionca kisses Sandi's bare breasts. Sandi bends over, and Bionca eats her 
 out from behind. Sandi sits in an armchair while Bionca continues to eat
 her. The couple switch places, and Sandi licks Bionca's pussy for several 
 minutes before Randy West (Bionca's husband) walks in.
 -A few minutes of Randy West fucking Bionca in the missionary position
 were omitted. The modified film shows him fuck her for about two seconds, 
 then blowing a load on her backside.
=============================================================================
Title: Bad Girls 7: Lust Confined
Released: 1997
Original Running Time: 79 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 70 minutes
Time cut: 9 minutes
Outtakes:
 -Some kissing and touching between Tony Tedeschi and Mila was omitted.
 -Tony Tedeschi eating out Mila. Most of the sequence was cut.
 -Mark Davis removing his pants for Jacklyn Lick to blow him.
 -A few minutes of Mark Davis and Jacklyn Lick fucking were dropped.
 -Some closeup shots of Mark Davis screwing Lori Michaels through a hole in
 the wall.
 -Mark Davis eating out Lori Michaels.
=============================================================================
Title: Going Down
Released: 1996
Original Running Time: 74 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 69 minutes
Time cut: 5 minutes
Outtakes:
 -The first scene between Rachel Love and Bobby Vitale was truncated.
 Otherwise the film appears unaltered.
=============================================================================
Title: Masseuse
Released: 1990
Original Running Time: 85 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 71 minutes
Time cut: 14 minutes
Outtakes:
 -Several awkward dialog edits. Amazingly, the sexual content was left
intact!
=============================================================================
Title: Masseuse 2
Released: 1994
Original Running Time: 100 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 71 minutes
Time cut: 29 minutes
Outtakes:
 -Asia Carrera stripping for Steven St. Croix was the only outtake I
noticed.
 The rest are unknown. Although, there must have been many others.
=============================================================================
Title: Scandal
Released: 1995
Original Running Time: 87 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 68 minutes
Time cut: 19 minutes
Outtakes:
 -Brittany Andrews strip tease scene for Tony Tedeschi was shortened.
 -Several minutes of foreplay between Brittany and Tony also got axed.
 -Oral sex sequence with Tony eating Brittany was cut.
 -The missionary position between Tony and Brittany was shortened.
 -Joey Silvera taking topless photos of Asia. This is intact, but much 
 shorter on the re-release.
 -Foreplay between Joey and Asia was truncated.
 -One entire sex scene between Dallas and Joey Silvera was axed.
 -Joey eating out Asia from behind in the dressing room scene with Busty 
 Brittany. This whole sequence was absent from the video.
=============================================================================
Title: Scrue
Released: 1995
Original Running Time: 79 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 71 minutes
Time cut: 8 minutes
Outtakes:
 -Several minutes of Jill Kelly and Joey Silvera fucking missionary were
cut.
 -Bobby Vitale eating out Roxanne Hall on a kitchen table.
 -Blow job between Ian Daniels and Shelby Stevens was shortened by a minute
or
 two. The time editors made a few errors with the music in this one.
=============================================================================
Title: World According to Ginger
Released: 1986
Original Running Time: 88 minutes
Re-released Running Time: 71 minutes
Time cut: 17 minutes
Outtakes:
 -Some dialog that was not crucial got cut. The editing was very awkward 
 I might add.
 -Anal sex between Randy West and Patti Petite was truncated. The whole 
 scene lasted about 18 seconds.
 -Ginger receiving a spanking for being a witch.
=============================================================================
VIII. The List - Content Omitted from DVDs.  
===========================================
 As stated earlier, I do not have access to a DVD player. Many of you do, 
and have complained about similar editing appearing on Vivid DVDs. Not 
wanting to limit the scope of this list, I am including the comments of
RAME 
readers who have sent me mail in regards to the DVD outtakes. On that note,
please keep in mind that I can not personally attest to the accuracy of 
the information provided.
Title: Bad Wives
Released: 1997
Original Running Time: 147 minutes
Re-released Running Time: N/A 
Time cut: N/A
 In regards to the DVD release of "Bad Wives", Thom Burr commented:
 "In the DVD version of "Bad Wives" both of Tricia Deveraux's scene 
  have been meddled with. Her first scene (also the first scene of the 
  disc/tape) has been chopped up in order to provide a number of alternate 
  angles. I'm pretty sure that the DVD scene runs shorter than the tape 
  version. (But I tossed out my tape before I noticed the changes, so I'm 
  going on memory.) However, if you add up all the footage from the 
  multiple angles, the DVD scene probably has more footage than the tape. 
  Tricia's second scene (next to last on the tape/DVD, I think) has 
  been seriously cut. Her anal sex segment was reduced to just about a 
  couple seconds, and Missy's anal has also been largely slashed. Multiple 
  angles do not compensate for these omissions in any way. 
  There are almost certainly other truncated scenes in the DVD, but I 
  was only paying attention to those two."
=============================================================================
IX. Special Thanks.
===================
 Obviously this list would not exist without the help of those kind 
individuals who donated information.
 My hat goes off to film Producer/Director Jim Gunn, who set me straight
on many of the issues regarding the sale, distribution, pricing, and 
re-release of adult films. Jim currently works for Pleasure Productions,
and has a great web site at 
http://www.jimgunn.com/
 
I can not thank him enough.
 I would also like to thank the following individuals...
"Howard", the Vivid customer rep who provided some jaded insight in to the
industry.
Thom Burr, for his comments on the Bad Wives DVD.
 Finally, thanks to the helpful and friendly customer reps at Caballero 
Video for providing fascinating insight in to their own policies and 
business practices.
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Ecco terminata la colonna infame.
Personalmente a chiunque piaccia l'hard patinato e con bellezze statuarie
del tipo elaborato da Vivid consiglio di passare a VCA. Anche loro
realizzano quasi tutto pure su DVD, hanno girls splendide (Juli Ashton,
Vicca, Nikita e Kylie Ireland), registi migliori di quelli Vivid (Michael
Ninn vale + di Michael Zen, Veronica Hart vale + di Paul Thomas, per non
parlare dello stile unico di un Jim Hollyday) e soprattutto non fregano i
clienti risparmiando sul tempo delle uscite.
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davide tosi 'soljaris'
'Blood rack barbed wire
 Politician's funeral pire
 Innocents raped with napalm fire
 XXIst century schizoid man'
 King Crimson - 1969

>Va bene lo stesso ?
Io lavoro spesso su Avid (molta tv e 4 film cinema), discutiamone
(magari in mail se fossimo OT, ma non credo, in fondo parliamo di
cinema)
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Il cinico e' un mascalzone che a causa 
di un difetto della vista,
vede le cose come realmente sono.
A. Bierce
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 del tipo elaborato da Vivid consiglio di passare a VCA
Mi precipito ad ordinare l'intero catalogo.
Grazie.
Ciao.
Leo.


pronto... 
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