Newsgroup: it.arti.cinema
Titolo: Kubrick vs Moige

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Ma il Moige n'do sta quando Aida Yespica sta con le tette di fuori al sabato 
sera?
Tra l'altro, accanto a Mastella.
(non so cosa faccia più male ai minori)
RD
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A me queste cose han sempre fatto ridere. EWS non può andare in prima 
serata (e posso anche essere d'accordo), ergo, non può andare in onda 
verso le 21.00. Bene, a parte che io da piccolo alle 21.00 andavo a 
nanna, mi chiedo perchè invece i tg nazionali possono mostrare schizzi 
di sangue e i giochi pre e post tg possono mostrare allegramente il culo 
delle modelle.
Sinceramente, qual'è la differenza tra il culo di Nicole Kidman che apre 
EWS e quello di una qualsiasi ragazza che sculetta in un qualsiasi 
programma alle 19.30? L'invisibile filo interdentale che passa in mezzo 
alle chiappe?
Per chi legge offline:
(ANSA) - ROMA, 22 AGO - Il Movimento genitori protesta contro Mediaset, 
che si prepara a mandare in onda su Canale 5 il film di Kubrick Eyes 
Wide Shut in prime time. La richiesta e' che venga spostato in 2/a 
serata. 'Non vogliamo entrare nel merito artistico del film - dice 
Elisabetta Scala responsabile dell'Osservatorio media del Moige - ma 
l'ammirazione per Kubrick non puo' farci dimenticare la tutela dei 
minori per i quali un film come questo, pieno di immagini inquietanti e 
orgiastiche non e' certo adatto'.
-- 
Chuck Norris understands the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey

> (non so cosa faccia più male ai minori)
Non c'e' neanche bisogno di dirlo...
maitre Aliboron
-- 
"Les conneries c'est comme les impôts:
on finit toujours par les payer."
(Michel Audiard) 

 alle chiappe?
C'è un bell'articolo di Adrian Michaels (Financial Times) sul velinismo e
sulla complessiva condizione femminile in Italia, citato sul numero del 27
luglio dell'Internazionale.
Questo articolo si è poi accavallato cronologicamente con quella bella
puntata di W l'Italia su Rai 3, sulla particolare fattispecie degli omicidi
di mogli e fidanzate in questo paese. Siamo in media a un uxoricidio ogni
due giorni. E' una media che farebbe invidia ai talebani.
Cito le due cose insieme perché a mio parere sono intimamente collegate.
--
Aramesh
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 Non c'e' neanche bisogno di dirlo...
In effeti un po' di fica non può far male.
Di sicuro fa più male uno dei personaggi più viscidi della storia della 
politica italiana.
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 luglio dell'Internazionale.
FT WEEKEND MAGAZINE - FEATURE: Naked ambition
By Adrian Michaels, Financial Times
Published: Jul 14, 2007
Passengers arriving at Rome's Fiumicino Airport recently found
themselves confronted by a large-breasted woman, cleavage exposed almost
to the bottom of her sternum. From her billboard perch, she was
attempting to interest travellers in the business communications
products of Telecom Italia.
Those flying in from many other countries, and particularly from the UK
or the US, would probably have found this fleshy advertising style
archaic. These days, a naked woman lying unironically on the top of a
car is about as cool in advertising as a rugged cowboy on the range,
cigarette dangling from lip. Long-legged variety-show lovelies or
immaculately unattired game-show hostesses are rare, if not completely
absent from television. But in Italy, they are an everyday occurrence.
If you are home before the 8pm news on Rai Uno, Italy's main television
station, you will discover it is preceded by a quiz show called
L'Eredita ("The Inheritance"). In the middle of the programme, four
ritzy women interrupt the competition to dance. "My jewels!" the male
host exclaims. The dancing has no connection to the rest of the show;
Rai Uno explains on its website that the "girls... with their presence
and beauty, cheer up everyone watching, particularly men".
Since moving to Milan from New York three years ago, I have been
wondering why no one seems to care about the incongruous use of women in
advertising and on television, and what that says about Italian society.
Do Italians, particularly Italian women, really think it acceptable to
sell primetime quiz shows on terrestrial television by trying to stir
the male genitalia instead of viewers' brains? Or are they instead happy
with life as it is - beautiful, flirtatious and with a supply of great
shoes?
It is not just domestic companies or television stations that seem stuck
in old ways of selling products to Italians. Earlier this year,
advertising hoardings were plastered with posters for 3 Italia, a
telecoms company owned by Hong Kong-based Hutchison Whampoa. Three women
wore dresses so skimpy they revealed not just classic cleavage but also,
through large holes in the dresses' midriffs, the more daring undercurve
of the bosom. 3 Italia was advertising a new billing plan.
Of course marketing campaigns in other countries use the female body.
But the difference, says Sergio Rodriguez, group creative director at
Leo Burnett Italy, the ad agency, "is that in Italy when you don't have
to use women, you use women".
In the UK or US, such tactics might inspire anything from headshaking
and irritation to clear outrage. When a US campaign for Miller, the
brewer, appeared in 2003 with two women fighting and taking off their
clothes, the company received hundreds of complaints. In Italy, no one
says anything.
Caterina Preti, a 19-year-old Italian student who moved from Milan to
London in September, says: "I didn't really notice how bad it was until
I moved. What I've noticed here is that you don't see girls in bikinis
or naked women on television, always smiling. People in Italy are so
used to it, there is no push to try to change it."
Emma Bonino - minister for International Trade and European Affairs in
Romano Prodi's Italian coalition government, and a former European Union
commissioner - is a notable exception. Bonino, one of the leaders of
Rosa nel Pugno (Rose in the Fist), the political party, recently
organised an international conference in Italy to discuss issues facing
women entrepreneurs. She says: "Most people, even women, accept the
situation in some way for what it is." Of dancing girls and other
phenomena, she says: "Most of the time it makes me laugh, it seems so
ridiculous." But she says it strengthens her conviction to fight for
change.
It was women's rights groups that complained loudly about the Miller
adverts in the US. Italian feminism, say Bonino and Graziella Parati,
head of comparative literature at Dartmouth College in the US, used to
be strong, but not any more.
"Italy has had a long history of feminism," says Parati, who has studied
Italian culture and written books on gender issues. "It is different
from Anglo-American feminism [and] based not on a search for equality
but rather on putting an emphasis on difference... Joining a man's world
may be practical, but does not solve the fact that you end up trapped in
a system that can contain and invalidate the difference that women's
otherness embodies."
Bonino points out that Italian feminism was vigorous in the 1970s when
abortion and divorce were legalised - "even with the church next door
and the Pope on television every day". In 1976, she says, 11 per cent of
members of parliament were women, the same as today. "Most of my
colleagues fell asleep in some way... the women's movement never pressed
for structural reforms and there is still nothing on the agenda. When
women fell asleep they followed the cultural mainstream."
The problem is evident in both parliament and the boardroom. Italy came
above only Cyprus, Egypt and South Korea in 48 countries surveyed by the
International Labour Organisation for female share of legislators,
senior officials and managers. In the largest Italian companies, women
represent about 2 per cent of board directors, according to the European
Professional Women's Network, compared with 23 per cent for Scandinavia
and Finland and 15 per cent in the US.
Maybe nudity, chauvinism and a lack of professional attainment are
different parts of the same enduring Italian image: the mamma rules the
house but is confined to the kitchen, rolling out ravioli while her
daughters, with little expected of them professionally, seek success
through fame and beauty.
Preti, the student who recently moved to London, worries about a lack of
variety in role models for Italian teenagers. She says: "Young girls
envy showgirls, they link beauty with success... Many young women still
have the example of their mothers who don't work." In the UK, meanwhile:
"Young girls are much more determined, they are career-minded. They're
killing each other, they have dreams."
But Laura Frati Gucci, the head of Aidda, the Italian association of top
women managers and entrepreneurs, points out that successful women are
rare enough in other countries too. There seems often to be surprise at
the mere existence of Angela Merkel, German chancellor, and Segolene
Royal, the runner up in France's recent presidential elections.
"Everyone looks at Merkel and Royal as if they are monkeys," Frati Gucci
says.
Women in Italy, she believes, are held back not by chauvinism but by
rules and customs that inhibit their participation in work. Mothers
complain of a lack of nurseries and kindergartens. Schools for older
pupils finish at lunch time. The children have to be collected, they
have to be fed, they have to be taken to afternoon activities. "A woman
will never earn as much as she will pay a babysitter," Frati Gucci says.
Mario Draghi, the governor of the Bank of Italy, highlighted structural
work problems in a recent speech. "Italy stands out from many other
European countries in the fact that fewer women return to work after
maternity," he said. "Better designed policies to support families would
have... [the] effect of raising female employment rates."
Part-time work is rare in Italy, let alone acceptable for senior
professionals. One female judge told me: "I can't imagine a professional
working part-time [and], although a woman can do whatever she wants, she
also has to be the mother." The Organisation for Economic Co-operation
and Development says that part-time workers account for just 15 per cent
of the employed in Italy compared with Germany's 21 per cent, 23 per
cent in the UK and 36 per cent in the Netherlands.
It quickly became clear when my wife and I arrived from the US that
there are cultural issues for women that go beyond school hours and
acceptance of part-time work. A household functions with difficulty in
Italy if all its adults have full-time jobs, and it is invariably the
women who make sacrifices to ease the strain.
In the US you can buy milk and bread at any time, and in dozens of
places. But Italians trying to shop on Monday mornings, or Thursday
afternoons, or Sundays, or evenings, or lunch times, or early mornings,
can be disappointed. Most banks are closed at lunch times and Saturdays.
A supermarket will advertise on lampposts when it is going to be open on
a Sunday, and then shut the Sunday after. And pity the parent - me, in
this instance - pounding the streets at 7pm on a Sunday trying to find
milk for his baby before bedtime. One pharmacy was open, but didn't sell
milk. There are no convenience stores. In the end I bought some
long-life milk in a store where the staff were not speaking Italian.
One female criminal lawyer (who prefers not to be named) argues that the
lack of recognition of a modern woman's needs is even visible in
hospital obstetrics units. There are not many hospitals in the Milan
area where women giving birth can have an epidural, and some units
prefer to offer no pain relief at all. Hospitals emphasise that birth
should be a natural process, though the lack of choice that entails can
leave foreigners imagining they have stepped back in time.
Pain and suffering, motherhood and pasta, shuttered banks. It is easy to
see how they could be linked to a lack of senior workplace
representation. There also seems to be a simple link between the
dominance of men at work and the portrayal of women in advertising.
Daniela Barrera, planning and research director at Leo Burnett Italy,
used to work in the UK. She says: "Half our clients in senior positions
in the UK were women. Most are men in Italy."
Male clients of advertising agencies tend, she believes, to ask for
campaigns in which their products are equated with a superficial,
unsophisticated form of beauty. Her colleague Rodriguez says: "A man
thinks of his brand as a woman." Barrera jokes: "If you have no idea
[for a campaign], you can use a pair of tits, a baby or a puppy." If
that approach did not work with the public, there would be complaints.
But there are none, the advertising executives say.
With few women in parliament, one source of lobbying for reforms that
would encourage women to work is absent. Bonino says: "Because we are
less vocal and determined, we do not have structural reforms in areas
such as schools and services."
Women certainly seemed to be silent while Silvio Berlusconi's commercial
television stations rose to the fore in the 1980s. Berlusconi, the
former prime minister and Italy's richest man, found success with a
programming formula that included liberal use of the female form.
Italy's state-controlled channels soon dropped their previous aversion
to exposed flesh in the battle for ratings.
"Television is still in the hands of men," says Parati at Dartmouth
College. "This recreates the illusion of how women can be subjugated and
is reassuring... Berlusconi has not created the situation but he has
made it bigger."
Striscia La Notizia ("The News Slithers"), a satirical news programme,
is one of the most popular shows on Canale 5, one of Berlusconi's
channels. It goes out six nights a week at 8.30pm presented by two men
but regularly interrupted by two gyrating and minimally dressed women.
Competitions to replace the two female dancers are deemed newsworthy in
their own right.
The show is just one example of the astonishingly restricted use of
women on Italian television. A study last year of almost 600 television
shows on the largest channels by Censis, an Italian research institute,
showed that women mostly appeared as actors, singers and models. "The
most common image seemed to be that of women in light entertainment,"
Censis said. When women were present as experts, they tended to be
talking about astrology or handicrafts. Professional or political women
were extremely rare.
"Beautiful, glossy and most importantly young," said Censis. "The images
of women are split between light entertainment and those of violence in
bad news stories. There is a distortion compared with the real female
world: old women are invisible, the socioeconomic status of women
[portrayed] is middle-upper class... meanwhile there are never any
disabled women."
Often, little seems to have changed in Italy in the more than 50 years
since Luchino Visconti made Bellissima, a funny and distressing satire
on a Roman mother's starry ambitions for her tiny daughter. In the film,
rent and household savings are jeopardised while little Maria is carted
around hairdressers, dressmakers and ballet classes in an effort to
stand out at a famous director's casting call. Her mother is meanwhile
trying to bribe shady characters on mopeds supposedly connected to the
studio, with predictably gloomy consequences.
But something is missing from this portrayal of Italy as backward and
chauvinist. You could argue that Italians are not interested in
"catching up" with other countries. Leo Burnett's Barrera says: "Italy
is behind in the role of women in society but it's superficial to say
that advertising reflects that... We have a different level of
correctness: nudity is also a matter of women wanting to portray their
beauty. Female politicians appear on television in short skirts because
they want to show that they are well-preserved and beautiful."
The female judge estimates that 10 per cent of women in her profession
dress sexily because it is a weapon and "because they like it". Sergio
Rodriguez, Barrera's colleague, says: "It's not a question of being
behind. Italian men and women may never be like British men and women...
it's about aesthetics, it's a choice."
Ilaria D'Amico is one of the best-known sports presenters in Italy.
Every week she presents Sky Italia's main football coverage, and no one
could argue that D'Amico does not know her football. But she stands
throughout the broadcast, invariably in a black cocktail dress,
discussing the match with former players and pundits - all men, all in
suits, and all seated.
Parati says: "Women have bought into male paradigms of what femininity
is, so they pay particular attention to their appearance; but they have
also grown up in a country full of art and beauty, and their attention
to aesthetics in general can come from that." Bonino concedes: "My
feeling is that the women's rights movement does not exist any more."
And yet occasionally there are howls of pain. Earlier this year Veronica
Berlusconi, Silvio Berlusconi's wife of almost three decades, tired of
her husband's reported boorish behaviour. After hearing that he had
flirted with other women at a gala media dinner, Veronica wrote a letter
to La Repubblica, one of Italy's biggest newspapers and a critic of
Berlusconi's rightwing politics. His conduct was an affront to "my
dignity as a woman", she wrote, before demanding a public apology.
"Today for my female children, already adults," she continued, "the
example of a woman capable of defending her dignity... takes on
significant importance." She hoped her outcry would remind her son,
Luigi, "never to forget to keep among his fundamental values a respect
for women". The letter was printed on the front page of the paper.
Plenty of people dismissed the episode as a stunt. In the never- ending
circus of Berlusconi family life, the abashed husband responded publicly
on the same day: "Dear Veronica, here are my apologies to you," he
wrote, going on floridly to revere the strength of their bond. He ended
with "big kiss. Silvio".
But for Preti, the student in London, Veronica Berlusconi's indignant
letter signified a stirring of change. "I believe that her bravery could
be used as a springboard for Italian women... It is an example of a
woman who does not want to accept her inferior status."
Still, it is hard to see much real change looming in a country famous
for its fashion and where there is so much eroticism on display that
only the foreigners notice. The current Striscia La Notizia dancers,
Melissa Satta and Thais Souza Wiggers, appeared this year in adverts in
Milan's main Centrale station wearing bras that pushed up, through
unbuttoned shirts, their already ample breasts. It would be hard, and
probably futile, to advertise underwear in any other way. But in this
instance they were selling luggage.
Adrian Michaels is the FT's Milan correspondent.

 
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Scusa n'attimo... ma EWS non è stato mandato in onda già 2 volte e 
entrambe in prima serata, prima su Italia1 e poi su Canale 5???
Ci pensano ora al MOIGE?


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Ma chi se ne frega del moige. O della tv. Basta guardare la tv, se 
iddio vuole esistono i dvd, per chi vuole del cinema. Peraltro quando 
Kubrick passò a miglior vita raiuno pensò di omaggiarlo trasmettendo 
"Shining" a mezzanotte, censurato. In Francia mandarono "Arancia 
Meccanica". Integrale. In prime time. E ho detto tutto.
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Riccardo Caiazzo                 "I'm afraid,
r.ca...@libero.it
                    Dave." 

 instance they were selling luggage.
Oh, grazie Maquillage caro. L'ho cercato anche, l'articolo, ma speravo di
trovarlo in italiano.
Riassumendo per chi non legge l'inglese, l'articolo cerca di analizzare la
particolarità di una pubblicità quasi interamente incentrata sul doppio
senso sessuale, e quasi interamente rivolta ad un pubblico maschile. Una
particolarità italiana, anche a detta dei responsabili della Leo Burnett
Italia:
"Of course marketing campaigns in other countries use the female body.
But (...) in Italy when you don't have to use women, you use women".
L'articolo tocca quasi tutti gli aspetti della questione: il fatto che
l'unico modello di successo femminile proposto dai media sia la troia di
regime (il povero Michaels non usa questi termini, prendetevela con me);
l'assoluta assenza femminile nel top management e nella politica (siamo
dalle parti dell'Egitto); la sparizione di qualunque parvenza di movimento
femminista; persino il fatto che in un ospedale sia quasi più facile
ottenere un'eutanasia che un'epidurale (partorirai con dolore brutta
stronza)... tutti aspetti collegati, secondo l'autore dell'articolo.
Il capolavoro che segue - invece - non è un estratto della shar'ia
islamica, ma l'ex articolo 587 del codice penale della Repubblica, abrogato
nel 1981:
"Chiunque cagiona la morte del coniuge, della figlia o della sorella,
dell'atto in cui ne scopre la illegittima relazione carnale e nello stato
d'ira determinato dall'offesa recata all'onor suo o della famiglia, è
punito con la reclusione da tre a sette anni"
Da tre a sette anni per un omicidio intenzionale a causa di corna. Ah, ma
solo se si era adirato. Articolo abrogato nel 1981. O per tornare in topic,
venti *lunghi* anni dopo l'uscita di "Divorzio all'Italiana" di Germi. La
legge nuova ha cambiato le teste?
Ciò che l'autore dell'articolo non mette esplicitamente in relazione col
velinismo è la tendenza di un'alta percentuale dell'italico maschiume ad
ammazzare la compagna di botte, soprattutto quando questa tende ad assumere
un'esistenza autonoma e magari vuole lasciarlo.
La relazione l'ho tracciata io, sperando di suscitare qualche replica. Il
32% delle donne tra i 16 e i 70 anni ha subito nell'arco della sua vita
della violenza fisica o sessuale in questo paese. Nello stesso paese in cui
si vede un sacco di carne muoversi in TV all'ora di cena, nello stesso
paese in cui il Vaticano fa passare la legge 40, nello stesso paese in cui
tutti i partiti "moderati" si fanno portabandiera dei valori famigliari.
Per me c'è una chiara relazione tra tutta questa roba, ma a giudicare dalle
repliche - caro Maquillage - la cosa non indigna troppa gente. E' come gli
incidenti stradali: capita di morire sulle striscie ammazzati da un
ubriaco. E capita di morire per le botte del marito.
Caso. Non ci si indigna, per il caso. Soprattutto se l'indignazione la si è
esaurisce per la povera Hina, la pakistana ammazzata dal padre perché
mostrava l'ombelico. Ha ragione Altan: "a forza di esportare democrazia,
qui va a finire che rimaniamo senza noialtri".
-- 
Aramesh

 da un ubriaco. E capita di morire per le botte del marito.
Mi indigno.
-- 
Joe 
'All right, but apart from sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public
order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system and public health...
what have the Romans ever done for us ?'

 Mi indigno.
E fammi fare un po' il crybaby, che caspita!
-- 
Aramesh

 E fammi fare un po' il crybaby, che caspita!
Io invece vorrei non abboccare sempre a tutte le provocazioni.
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 due giorni. E' una media che farebbe invidia ai talebani.
Non sono riuscito (in tre minuti) ad avere dati su questo, ma ho trovato un
bel grafico, da non dimenticare quando si parla di omicidi in Italia..
notare il trend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate