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Titolo: [OT][Palestina] 'We Do Not Wish to Throw Them Into the Sea'

   Since Hamas won control of parliament in the recent
   Palestinian elections, policymakers in Washington and
   Jerusalem have been faced with a dilemma: how to deal with
   a democratically elected government that is also on the
   State Department's list of foreign terrorist
   organizations. Last week, Newsweek-Washington Post's Lally
   Weymouth interviewed Hamas's new prime minister, Ismail
   Haniyeh, by phone in his home in the refugee camp where he
   lives with his wife and 12 children in Gaza.
February 26, 2006, Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/24/AR2006022402317_3.html
Were you surprised by the size of the Hamas victory?
Hamas entered the elections planning to be victorious.
Was the victory due to corruption in Fatah, the social
services you provided or the general agreement of most
Palestinians with the Hamas program of armed resistance?
The victory of Hamas is not only based on the corruption of
the Palestinian Authority. Hamas has a vision and a program,
and this is the reason why the Palestinian people chose
Hamas. However, there is no doubt that the corruption helped
Hamas's victory.
What percent of the people voted for Hamas because of your
call for armed resistance?
Resistance is one of the reasons for Hamas's victory, but
Hamas works [also] in the political, educational and
charitable fields. All these activities helped it win.
Palestinian President Abu Mazen and the international
community have put forward conditions for dealing with Hamas:
1) recognize Israel; 2) recognize existing agreements with
Israel made by the Palestinian Liberation Organization; 3)
renounce violence. Will you agree to these conditions?
We are surprised that such conditions are imposed on us. Why
don't they direct such conditions and questions to Israel?
Has Israel respected agreements? Israel has bypassed
practically all agreements. We say: Let Israel recognize the
legitimate rights of the Palestinians first and then we will
have a position regarding this. Which Israel should we
recognize? The Israel of 1917; the Israel of 1936; the Israel
of 1948; the Israel of 1956; or the Israel of 1967? Which
borders and which Israel? Israel has to recognize first the
Palestinian state and its borders and then we will know what
we are talking about.
Israel has agreed to a two-state solution, signed agreements
with the PLO and withdrawn from Gaza. So will Hamas accept
any of the agreements that the PLO -- starting with [Yasser]
Arafat and continuing with Abu Mazen -- made with Israel?
Number one, the withdrawal from Gaza was based on a
unilateral decision and a unilateral plan. It was not [done]
out of the generosity of Israel. Has Israel committed itself
to all these agreements? We are not war seekers nor are we
war initiators.
We are not lovers of blood. We are not interested in a
vicious cycle of violence. We are oppressed people with
rights. If peace brings us our rights, then this is good.
Do you accept the Oslo agreement signed by Yasser Arafat?
Israel has stopped completely committing itself to Oslo.
I am not asking about Israel. Are you, as the new Palestinian
prime minister, committed to Oslo?
How do you want me not to pay attention or care about what
Israel says? Oslo stated that a Palestinian state would be
established by 1999. Where is this Palestinian state? Has
Oslo given the right to Israel to reoccupy the West Bank, to
build the wall and expand the settlements, and to Judaize
Jerusalem and make it totally Jewish?
Has Israel been given the right to disrupt the work on the
port and airport in Gaza? Has Oslo given them the right to
besiege Gaza and to stop all tax refunds from the Palestinian
Authority?
So you will not abide by past agreements made by the
Palestinians and Israel?
I have not said that. I have said that Israel . . .
But you are not the prime minister of Israel. Will you abide
by past agreements made by the Palestinian governments and
Israel?
We will review all agreements and abide by those that are in
the interest of the Palestinian people.
What agreements will you honor?
The ones that will guarantee the establishment of a
Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital with 1967
borders -- as well as agreements that would release
prisoners.
Would Hamas recognize Israel if it were to withdraw to the
'67 borders?
If Israel withdraws to the '67 borders, then we will
establish a peace in stages.
What does that mean?
Number one: We will establish a situation of stability and
calm which will bring safety for our people -- what Sheikh
[Ahmed] Yassin [a Hamas founder] called a long- term hudna .
Does a peace in stages means the ultimate obliteration of the
Jewish people?
We do not have any feelings of animosity toward Jews. We do
not wish to throw them into the sea. All we seek is to be
given our land back, not to harm anybody.
Do you recognize Israel's right to exist?
The answer is to let Israel say it will recognize a
Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, release the
prisoners and recognize the rights of the refugees to return
to Israel. Hamas will have a position if this occurs.
So will you extend the present ceasefire?
I will not say yes or no. The problem is with Israel. If
Israel gives us a quiet period and stops its incursions and
the assassinations, then we will be able to convince our
people to continue with a state of quiet.
How is Hamas going to run its government with the United
States cutting back funds and the Palestinian government
having a deficit of $700 million? Will Iran make up the
difference?
We have an economic plan for self-sufficiency based on
rationing and protection of public money. Number two: Our
relationship with the Islamic and Arab world has shown
indications that these people will support us. Number three:
The liberals and free people of the world will not like to
see the Palestinian people living under siege. We have
received indications from the international community that
they will not stop their aid.
I ask the American administration not to participate in any
resolution that will double the suffering of the Palestinian
people. I am convinced that the American people would not
want to see the Palestinians suffer the way they do.
You must offer Americans some kind of assurance that you
agree with President Bush's two-state solution, that you
oppose violence and suicide bombings, that you favor peace.
Can you?
All the Palestinian people would like to stop the bloodshed
and take the civilians away from this vicious cycle of
violence. The problem is not with us but with the Israelis.
Will you recognize Israel?
If Israel declares that it will give the Palestinian people a
state and give them back all their rights, then we are ready
to recognize them.
Israel does not have a charter calling for the destruction of
the Palestinian state.
Our only position will be declared once Israel recognizes our
right to exist.
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon accepted a two-state solution as
did President Bush. What do you say about the two-state
solution?
It all starts with Israel.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/24/AR2006022402317_3.html
Terrificante. La vedo davvero brutta. :-(((
Ciao
Nicola (...del quartetto Nico, Nicola, Nicodemo e Nicotina)
skype: deca64
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"Striving for mediocrity in a world of excellence."

 Terrificante. La vedo davvero brutta. :-(((
Ma dici per la faccenda dei confini del 67? Cmq mi pare una posizione meno
rigida di quanto si pensasse.

to Israel. Hamas will have a position if this occurs.
difficile discutere a questi livelli di ambiguita'
N.
(del quartetto Nico, Nicola, Nicodemo e Nicotina)
cioe', riconoscono uno stato, ma impongono a questo stato di ospitare dei
profughi
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 difficile discutere a questi livelli di ambiguita'
Quale ambiguità?
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Quale ambiguità?
Beh, dice: se faranno questo e quello, avremo una nostra posizione.
Quale?
Ciao
Nicola (...del quartetto Nico, Nicola, Nicodemo e Nicotina)
skype: deca64
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Ha dovuto proprio strappargli a forza la possibilita' di riconoscere,
un giorno, lo Stato di Israele, e nel far questo oltretutto si e'
contraddetto con quanto affermato prima.
Dichiara di non avere piena autorita' sul suo popolo ("If
Israel gives us a quiet period and stops its incursions and
the assassinations, then we will be able to convince our
people to continue with a state of quiet"), pazzesco.
Non si andra' mai da nessuna parte se si intendono fare solo
richieste, soprattutto con quei toni. "Dipende tutto da Israele" un
cavolo, dipende da tutti e due.
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 cavolo, dipende da tutti e due.
Nel frattempo il mite e pacifico governo di Israele, amato da tutti tranne
che dagli antisemiti, manda timidi segnali di apertura:
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http://www.repubblica.it/2006/b/sezioni/esteri/moriente34/gazablast/gazablast.html
GAZA - Il leader delle Brigate al Quds, ala militare della Jihad islamica,
è stato ucciso questa mattina a Gaza città da un missile lanciato da un
velivolo israeliano sulla sua auto. Lo hanno riferito fonti mediche
palestinesi, secondo cui il veicolo è stato colpito mentre transitava nei
pressi della sede del ministero delle Finanze dell'Autorità nazionale
palestinese. Le forze di sicurezza dell'Anp hanno identificato la vittima
del nuovo "omicidio selettivo" come Abu al-Waleed al-Dahdouh.
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Il filopalestinese Repubblica si rifugia nelle virgolette per evitare la
trappola retorica di cui cadrebbe preda se chiamasse le cose col loro nome.
La reazione palestinese all' "omicidio selettivo" sarà "terrorismo".

La reazione palestinese all' "omicidio selettivo" sarà "terrorismo".
L'articolo prosegue:
 Sempre questa mattina a Gaza città è stato rapito il direttore dei
servizi catastali palestinesi. Lo hanno reso noto fonti della polizia
locale secondo cui l'alto funzionario, identificato come Atef
al-Khudari, è stato aggredito da tre individui armati e dal volto
coperto mentre usciva dal proprio ufficio. Gli assalitori lo hanno
costretto a salire a bordo della loro auto e si sono quindi dileguati
a grande velocità. 
Chi sara' stato???
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 Chi sara' stato???
Boh? Dov'era il quartetto stanotte?

Il Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:52:04 +0100, Nicola de Angeli ha scritto:
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Sotto casa dell'Alfredo, come al solito. Perche'?
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Ma... LOL!