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Titolo: District 9

Il pi� bel sci-fi non ricordo da quando.
Anche se la parte fantascientifica in fondo � solo una scusa.
Giudizio: 8/10
Astenersi dalla visione la maggioranza degli italiani...


LOL!!
tranquillo sara cosi.... ;)

 
ti riferisci a quelli che leggono "il giornale"

 Giudizio: 8/10
Quoto! Bello bello davvero. Emozionante.
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> ti riferisci a quelli che leggono "il giornale"
La maggioranza degli italiani.
Quelli che non si ricordano pi� perch� stanno al mondo.
Oppure non l'hanno mai capito.
Uscirebbero dal cinema credendo di aver visto la brutta copia di
Transformers.

Il pi� bel sci-fi non ricordo da quando.
Stando a quello che dici, dal 1988.
 
Ciao
Nicola
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 Astenersi dalla visione la maggioranza degli italiani...
naaaa
piacerebbe anche a loro
fidati
b.
[lostileconta]


Ma anche no.
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is a verb
love is a doing word 

 Nicola
Che film hanno fatto nel 1988?
Sono corso su imdb a vedere i vari BR, Terminator, alien, aliens...
Sono tutti antecedenti.
T2 � del 91.
:-)
Cmq. non volevo fare paragoni.
Anche perch� la fantascienza su District � solo un mezzo. 

fidati
Non credo possano cogliere il messaggio in tutte le sue sfumature.
Anzi, penso che diversi lo troverebbero noioso. 

 :-)
Forse si riferiva ad "Alien Nation", film da cui � tratto District9
http://www.imdb.it/title/tt0094631/
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Nation_(film)
 

Anzi, penso che diversi lo troverebbero noioso.
Purtroppo quoto, dai commenti dei ragazzotti ieri in sala.
Ma probabilmente farebbero gli stessi commenti sarcastici anche se dentro la 
nave alla deriva ci fossero stati degli stremati esseri umani.
Bel film, cinismo al limite dell'ironia, iperreale.
Qualche forzatura es sull' espediente principale della storia. ma e' 
fantascienza e si chiude un occhio.
Andrea
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http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Nation_(film)
Ah!
Ma veramente D9 assomiglia cos� tanto ad Alien Nation? :-\
Sinceramente faccio fatica ad accostarli.
L'idea che gli alieni sbarchino sulla Terra in modo "pacifico" piuttosto che
ci vengano ad annientare non mi pare cos� originale da poter essere 
esclusiva di un certo film.

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Premetto che non ho ancora visto D9, ho visto il trailer e letto le
vostre considerazioni.
Ad ogni modo, mi ha colpito il fatto che nessuno sinora abbia citato
"Alien Nation", perche' e' il primo riferimento che mi e' venuto in
mente leggendo la trama del "nuovo" film. Non si tratta solo di alieni
pacifici, ma di alieni che vengono internati sul nostro pianeta e
trattati come feccia.
Qui ho trovato una lista di aspetti che compaiono in entrambi i film:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Too-Close-To-Call-10-Ways-District-9-Is-An-Alien-Nation-Knockoff-14310.html
La riporto per comodita' (occhio agli SPOILER):
Saucer Separation
    In Alien Nation: When the movie begins Alien Nation�s aliens,
called Newcomers, have been on the ground for many years. We never
actually see their landing, except in brief flashbacks and stories
told by present day characters who were there. Through those
flashbacks and stories we learn that the Newcomers descended out of
nowhere, with no communication, to hover above the ground near Los
Angles, California in a single, massive, saucer-shaped spaceship.
    In District 9: When the movie begins District 9�s aliens, called
Prawns, have been on the ground for many years. We never actually see
their landing, except in brief flashbacks and stories told by present
day characters who were there. Through those flashbacks and stories we
learn that the Prawns descended out of nowhere, with no communication,
to hover above the ground near Johannesburg, South Africa in a single,
massive, saucer-shaped spaceship. 
Slave Labor
    In District 9: Prawns were bred as workers meant to carry out
manual labor. When discovered aboard their ship they appear to be of
limited intelligence, almost unable to take care of themselves, though
they�re very good at taking orders. Once taken off the ship and
brought to Earth things begin to change and there are hints that not
only are they intelligent, they may be far smarter than us.
    In Alien Nation: Newcomers were bred as workers and slaves meant
to carry out manual labor. When discovered aboard their ship they�d
been drugged to dull their intelligence and make them obedient, almost
to the point that they�re unable to take care of themselves. Once
taken off the ship and brought to Earth things begin to change and
there are hints that not only are they intelligent, they may be far
smarter than us. 
Missing Overlords
    In Alien Nation: Since Newcomers are basically obedient workers
being shuttled around on a transport ship, no one is entirely sure how
they got to Earth in the first place. Investigators never discover a
ship�s pilot or crew, nor does there seem to be anyone giving orders�
at first. Eventually the Newcomers in charge are revealed as a subplot
in the film�s subsequent spin-off TV series.
    In District 9: Since Prawns are basically obedient workers being
shuttled around on a transport ship, no one is entirely sure how they
got to Earth in the first place. Investigators never discover a ship�s
pilot or crew, nor does there seem to be anyone giving orders� at
first. Eventually the Prawns hidden leaders reveal themselves and by
the end of the movie we know where the Prawn leader has been hiding. 
Name Recognition
    In District 9: Prawns are often referred to by a variety of other
names, most of which, like Prawn, are really just bigoted slurs. Prawn
is not their proper species name. In fact they are and prefer to be
called� a complicated name which I�ve forgotten. Hey give me a break.
In addition to being given English substitutes for their species name,
Prawns are also given human personal names to use in their daily life.
For instance, Christopher Johnson is the name of the Prawn lead in
District 9.
    In Alien Nation: Newcomers are often referred to as Slags, which
is regarded as a bigoted slur. Neither Slag nor Newcomer is their
proper species name. In fact they are and prefer to be called the
Tenctonese. In addition to being given English substitutes for their
species name, Newcomers are also given human personal names to use in
their daily life. For instance, George Francisco is the name of the
Newcomer lead in Alien Nation.
Alien Muscle
    In Alien Nation: Aliens look pretty much like bald versions of us,
except with spots, but they possess physical strength far beyond that
of normal human beings.
    In District 9: Aliens look like giant bugs, or prawns as their
name suggests, and they possess physical strength far beyond that of
normal human beings. 
Internment Camps: An Alien Staycation
    In District 9: When they first land Prawns are held in internment
camps to protect a nervous human population from them.
    In Alien Nation: When they first land Newcomers are held for
several years in internment camps as they�re processed and certified
safe enough to be allowed out in public. 
Outer Spacial Descrimination
    In District 9: Prawns are used as a stand-in for discriminated
against minorities, in particular South Africa�s struggle with
Apartheid which was a political and social policy of segregating
blacks from whites.
    In Alien Nation: Newcomers are used as a stand-in for
discriminated against minorities, in particular they symbolize the
struggle of black Americans against discrimination during the civil
rights movement. 
Hater With A Heart Of Gold
    In Alien Nation: A bigoted homicide detective is forced to team up
with a Newcomer by a government integration program. As they work
together to solve crime, the Newcomer begins to win over his human
partner who eventually abandons his bigoted views.
    In District 9: A bigoted civil servant is forced to team up with a
Prawn when circumstances beyond his control force him to take
desperate measures. As they work together on a common cause, the
bigoted human and wary alien develop a begrudging respect for one
another. 
Addicted To Gross
    In District 9: Prawns are addicted to cat food which affects them
like catnip. Though it disgusts humans, they�ll do almost anything to
get it.
    In Alien Nation: Newcomers are addicted to sour milk which affects
them like alcohol. Though it disgusts humans, some aliens will do
almost anything to get it. 
Something�s Growing On Timmy
    In Alien Nation: Two of the major subplots of the spin-off
television series and the film involved both a strange substance which
has unexpected effects on Newcomers and a dangerous disease which may
have been brought to Earth along with the aliens. Newcomers will do
anything to hide the truth of both.
    In District 9: A strange substance brought to Earth by the Prawns
has an unexpected and dangerous affect on humans. Both the Prawns and
South Africa�s mega-corporation controlled government will do or say
anything to hide the truth of what�s happening. 
There you have it. If it were made by Quentin Tarantino District 9
would be an homage. With luck, Blomkamp can get some sort of special
QT dispensation.
So maybe it�s not entirely original and maybe it�s not completely
unique, at least for anyone born before 1989. That doesn�t mean it�s
not worthwhile. Whether knowingly or by accident, what Blomkamp has
done is take an old idea and give it his own twist, his own flavor,
and done it up in his own style. In some ways he�s made it even
better. So to be fair, as long as we�re picking this thing apart
here�s a few examples of District 9 going its own way.
Aliens Are Aliens, Not Fleshy-Headed Humans
    In District 9: Prawns are nothing like humans. In fact at times,
their motivations are almost incomprehensible. They�re not reasonable
creatures who want to fit in and get along, often they�re violent,
they�re dangerous, they�re flat out gross and maybe it�s not such a
bad idea penning them up like cattle and keeping them away from human
populations. They just might want to eat us.
    In Alien Nation: Though the movie and the television show spend a
lot of time telling us how different humans and Newcomers are, when it
comes right down to it the aliens are basically bald humans with
spots. Sometimes that works to Alien Nation�s advantage. Sexually
promiscuous, ultra-sexy alien females are never a bad thing, but
mostly it�s the result of what happens when you don�t have the budget
necessary to pull something grander off. 
Mockument This Christopher Guest
    In District 9: The entire film is shot documentary style and put
together with cutting edge special effects. Every frame of it feels
like something that could happen at any moment, and most of the movie
absolutely lives on the edge. Danger lurks around every corner and the
tension is frightening and palpable. District 9 is brutal and
unflinching, bringing a high-tech horror movie aesthetic to smart
science fiction.
    In Alien Nation: Both the movie and the television show are shot
and scripted like a generic television drama. It never really takes
full advantage of its alien premise, again in large part because of
budget constraints, but maybe also because it simply lacks the
imagination to go there. Whatever the reason, Alien Nation never feels
real. It never feels like something that could be happening just
outside of town. It never feels dangerous. 
James Caan Can�t Compete With Sharlto Copley
    In District 9: Neill Blomkamp goes with a complete unknown for the
lead in his film, a long time friend named Sharlto Copley. Write that
name down, you�ll be hearing a lot more of it. He�s a character actor
and a brilliant one. As Wikus Van De Merwe, a somewhat dim-witted
civil servant completely out of his depth and in over his head, he�s
utterly real. You�ve known people exactly like Wikus, he�s the idiot
boss who smiles while announcing layoffs, or the middle manager
sucking up to the boss. He�s all at one loathsome and lovable. It�s
one of the best performances of the year.
    In Alien Nation: In the movie version the human lead is played by
James Caan who, doesn�t really seem to understand the script. Caan�s
given great performances in his career, but what he gives in Alien
Nation is not one of them. It�s as if he doesn�t believe most of
what�s going on around him is real, or for that matter even comprehend
the words coming out of his mouth, making it pretty difficult for the
rest of us to buy into it if he doesn�t. 
Greed Isn�t Good
    In District 9: The film is indeed a loose allegory for Apartheid
but it�s not content with tackling just one social issue. D9 also
takes on rampant corporate corruption and if there�s a villain in the
movie it�s not a bigoted, fearful populace as much as it is an out of
control, evil corporation which will stop and nothing to screw over
the human race in order to make a tidy profit. Racism and capitalist
greed get crammed, successfully, all into one movie.
    In Alien Nation: The film�s fairly standard storyline is easily
bogged down and quickly becomes a fairly standard buddy cop movie,
even if one of the buddy cops happens to be an alien. The film and the
television show do tackle racial issues through discrimination against
the Alien newcomers, but it�s usually straightforward without layers
other than �hey remember when this used to happen if you were black?� 
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Astenersi dalla visione la maggioranza degli italiani...
No, funziona anche senza "sottotesto".
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There was a guy in the seat next to mine
Watchin the girls when the cops made us stand in line

Comunque un bel filmazzo
assolutamente, godibilissimo.
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...ovvero "Watermelon Man" meets "The Fly" in uno sci-fi imperdibile e
attuale.
-- 
Aramesh

 un po piu' di budget :-)
io vi ho ritrovato la verve sbruffona e alticcia del primo Jackson, per 
quanto il regista sciorini un equilibrio inviaidabile, oltre ovviamente a 
qualcosa di Cronenberg e i tempi del miglior Cameron
bene chi ha parlato di sfx non ostentati e quasi mimetizzati..
gli scontri sono tutti memorabili, non male l'idea del 'mockumentary'
speriamo che i seguiti (?) siano all'altezza! 

 vengono mostrati tutti, poi solo quello intelligente,
beh ma � un film non un videogioco in free roaming, occorre concentrarsi su 
una storia, al resto aveva provveduto l'idea del documentario in modo 
esaustivo e ripetersi sarebbe stato stucchevole.
E poi gli alieni venivano trasferiti, il che fornisce al film il giusto 
alibi per occuparsi della vicenda principale..... Ma non � che le 
caratteristiche degli alieni spariscano completamente, se pensi a come si 
occupano del militare.

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quoto sentissimamente quoto.
sono andato a vederlo con 6 amici/amiche tra i 24 e i 30 anni e purtroppo 
solo in 2 abbiamo apprezzato.
Io pi� che apprezzato, poich� mi sono fatto pure il bis :D
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 No, funziona anche senza "sottotesto".
Come ho fatto notare nel post-lampo in cui ringraziavo chi me lo aveva
suggerito, il film ha due "padri".
L'idea del protagonista che si trasforma fisicamente nel suo nemico
razziale era stata gi� trattata da Melvin Van Peebles il "Watermelon Man".
L� un razzista bianco diventava negro con tutte le conseguenze del caso.
L'altro padre - di riconoscimento pi� immediato - � Cronenberg per la parte
che concerne il decadimento fisico del personaggio.
E' uno di quei film da rivedere pi� volte.
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Aramesh