Newsgroup: it.arti.cinema
Titolo: What happened to good italian cinema?

 A lot us think that the best movies ever have come from Italy, not the US.
You're right ;-) But you must consider that Italy is not the "50s/60s" Italy.
bye stanz

 days?
Yes. And they tend to be much of lower quality. 
-- 
Cut out the attention signal in my address to mail me
Togliete l'avvertimento nel mio indirizzo per scrivermi

I'd look even more like an imbecile if I tried to write in it. ;-)
I hope not to look Rinco writing in English... (no dictionary) : ). Next
time I'll write Italian. Bye.

They speak italian in Istangbul? ;-)
Good boy, Istang-bul. But my nick is Lstang, hehehe.

 correctly.
tu non sei mica un madrelingua inglese.
secondo me sei un fake.
-- 
at least when I die,
your memory will too.

 
In effetti questa frase suona molto italiana.

correctly.
I think you got what I wrote. But some ideas are closer to a party than
another. E.g. social matters vs competition.
Bye, RinGo ; )

 secondo me sei un fake.
ebbravo Castellini!
Bibi
-- 
 
  "Are you ready?
     I was born ready"

around? ;-)
That comes from USA, hehehehe.

 Sergio Sollima...
SANDOKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Mel

Thanks for your appreciation for Italian films and film-makers.
To make a long story short, one might simply say that generalizations are
not always appropriate and there are many good Italian movies, as well as
American ones.
On the other hand you can find nasty movies wherever in the world.
We talk a lot about U.S. films also because there's a lot of them in our
theaters, like in other countries.
Nico
(the Mayor of it.arti.cinema)

 ANYWAYS
anywayS ?
e piu' avanti "italian" e "american" minuscoli ....
forse ha ragione l'ottimo CC, in full immersion anglofona
N.


Right. In a sense, quantity begets quality. In the early 70 the italian
movie industry was the fourth in the world. There was mindless trash and
masterpieces and everything else in between.
Then something terrible happened and we're still wondering what it was.
The mindless trash disappeared - nobody wanted to watch it. The great
filmakers began to make boring movies, then died one by one and nobody
replaced them.
Today TV comedians make mediocre unfunny movies and would-be auteurs
pretentious and 'poetical' ones, often financed by the State.
The best italian movies are routinely judged 'nice' and that's the best we
can expect.
(Which state are you from?)
Moritz Benedikt
Qoelet (Ecclesiaste) 7, 15-17

 way back in 1776. ;-)
Be', ha ragione. Solo perche' uno scrive in inglese da far schifo non
vuol dire che non possa essere americano, anzi. Ho visto cose su certi
newsgroup... brrr. 
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 just can't write worth crap.
Si'... ho risposto in italiano perche' avevi gia' detto che lo capivi, e
perche' cosi' capiscono anche gli italiani. 
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 (Italiano) or you don't use capitalisation?
Gli/I si usano per ragioni solo eufoniche: tu prova a pronunciare "i
italiani". 
In quanto alle maiuscole, in italiano si usano molto di meno. Non si
usano nei titoli, per esempio; le nazionalita', i giorni della settimana
e i mesi sono tutti minuscoli. I corpi astronomici no (la Terra, la
Luna, Giove, Saturno). Gli eventi storici vanno in maiuscolo: la Prima
Guerra Mondiale, eccetera. 
Ma per questo sarebbe forse meglio spostarsi su qualche altro ng. 
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 detestano unanimemente.
La "cucina americana", la maggior parte degli italiani che ne parla
crede - comprensibilmente - sia la carne macinata del McDonald (su cui
pure qualunque unanimita' e' lontana, visto che i McDonald prosperano e
me ne stanno aprendo uno sotto casa). 
"Cucina americana"= hamburger industriali e' come dire "letteratura
americana" = John Grisham.
Ciao, Emerenziano

 americana" = John Grisham.
www.carnegie-deli.com
  :-))))
N.

(Italiano) or you don't use capitalisation?
In Italy you should never capitalise adjectives so you should not do
that.
Re: articles, you should use "Gli" when followed by a word that begins
with a vowel and "I" in most other cases. "Gli" also has to be used in
front of such words as "gnocchi", "stracci"... my grammar theory is a
bit rusty, but I'd say a general rule could be also using "Gli" when
the following words starts with two consonants, but don't swear by my
opinion.

detestano unanimemente.
A me piace...

 me ne stanno aprendo uno sotto casa).
Cosi' credono. Io sono stata negli Stati Uniti. 
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 called in italian.
Paperinik (or PK as they use to call him now)
I think Giovan Battista Carpi, the great Venetian author recently passed
away, invented him (I still should have the original Topolino in the
late sixties where he first appears).
N.

 movies. ;-)
do you guys in restaurants have final cut?
N.

 So even though you write "gli" you should just say "i"? 
No, lo scrivi, anche. L'italiano e' una lingua wysiwyg. Invece le regole
per lo/il sono piu' complicate (si dice "lo zucchero" e non "il
zucchero", ma mi venga un colpo se saprei dire perche'). 
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 Cut out the attention signal in my address to mail me
Togliete l'avvertimento nel mio indirizzo per scrivermi
http://www.fantascienza.net/sfpeople/elethiomel

"Dellamorte Dellamore", I think. The movie was called "Cemetery Man".
That was *not* a Dylan Dog movie: that was based on a novel by the
same author that he had allegedly based Dyland Dog on. I found the
movie was pretty faithful to the book -and possibly even better. I
remember a stunning film in terms of visuals, and the naivete of some
scene came straight from Sclavi's typewriter IMHO.

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Quasi quasi lo Xposto ai simpaticoni di it.cultura.linguistica, così ci
campano un mese :-)
Gianluca

 campano un mese :-)
Uno dei tanti buoni motivi per cui Il Crosspost E' Male. Io l'ho
imparato quando ho fatto un crosspost - tanti anni fa - con
soc.culture.italian. (Chissa' che esiste ancora sci?)
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Mi dissocio volentieri dall'unanimita'.
Il 28 ottobre ho prenotato la cena "Sognando California" al Meridien di
Torino, nell'ambito del SdG.
Francamente (come Pisanelli ........ :)))) ) non vedo l'ora che questa data
arrivi, per gustare le specialita' di Steve Litke e Brian Miller.
Ciao.
Leo.

So even though you write "gli" you should just say "i"? 
ROTFL ;)
gli italiani
i russi
gli inglesi
i belgi
gli estoni
i francesi
gli americani
etc
 
R.
--
Quando il gioco si fa duro
i sardi iniziano a giocare

 I get it, but do you pronounce "gli" as "ee" or as "ly-ee"?
You pronounce it like it's written. :-)
More or less like the spanish "lli". 
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