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Titolo: [INFO] Drum&Bass: Why you get stuck

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A writing teacher once said- theres no such thing as writers block-if 
you  KNOW YOUR CRAFT it will carry you through"
It seems a lot of beginners have trouble finishing tracks- they get a 
break  and bassline down and then get stuck. If this is happening to 
you, you have  to face and own up to the fact that, despite being a drum 
n bass "fan", you  really dont know what goes into a drum n bass track. 
  Sure, you know the  obvious bits, like the breakdown, the bassline , 
etc.  but the ability to put  together a whole track eludes you because 
you don't know the subtleties and  intricacies.  You have to admit that 
harsh reality, go back to your record  collection, and LISTEN.  Dont go 
back to your mixtape collection, because DJs  usually mix in and out 
during the intro and outros and you wont learn how to  do those. When 
you listen, think in big chunks- every 16 or so bars ask
yourself- what's changing now? ("Oh, i see, hi hats came in." "Oh, I 
see, hes  filtering/playing with the bassline. "Oh, I see, he took out 
the  percussion").  To help you out, here is basic dnb structure (the 
really big  chunks, each one 32-64 bars or so):
Part One: Introduction- the themes here dont NEED to appear anywhere
else!!
Part Two: your main theme (usually starting with a breakdown)
Part Three: your main theme "pumps up" with percussion or what have you
Part Four: Two and Three REPEAT!!! WIth subtle variation of course,
shorter too.
Part Five: Track deconstructs, sometimes a repeat/variation of
introduction
So in essense, your gonna need THREE main ideas- Your Intro (which you 
have  alot of free reign with), your main theme, and then what happens 
to your main  theme to "amp it up", whether that be added percussion, 
another theme, or doing something wicked with the sample.  DO NOT ADD AN 
AMEN!!!! You can make  an entire amen based track of course, but adding 
an amen to pump up a non-amen track is the ultimate sign of newbie 
cheesiness.
You dont even need to listen to that many tracks. Take one or two good
records , listen, break it down, and listen again and again, until you
understand without question or ambiguity whats happening at each stage 
of the  track.  If you understand fully the construction of a single 
track thatll  carry you over into making your own.  One thing youll find 
is that THINGS LOOP MUCH LESS THAN YOU THINK!! Your sequencing need not 
be rigidly  mechanical and mathematical- sometimes things come in after 
8 bars, sometimes 16. Often in the intro, the second time an atmospheric 
pad or FX sound loops  around, something else drops in (so that sound, 
in effect, is never heard  looping by itself).  This and many other 
subtleties of sequencing will open  up to you once you get complete pro 
tracks (from vinyl or internet), and listen, listen, listen.  :)

 DO NOT ADD AN AMEN!!!!
chevvordě? :)
lo so, sono un metallaro 'gnorante :D
??????!,
Mk

 chevvordě? :)
l' "amen break" e' uno dei loop di
batteria piu' famoso in assoluto nella d&b.
e' stato campionato da "amen (my) brother" degli
winstons (anni '70) e accelerato a dovere (160bpm
o giu di li'). le variazioni che ne hanno tirato fuori
ormai non si contano piu' :)
qui puoi scaricare il frammento originale:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~janne/audio/mp3/amencompo/Amen_break.mp3
(propongo monumento al battersita degli winstons).
bye

 ormai non si contano piu' :)
aggiornamento: ho convertito in mp3
un paio di spezzoni dove *credo*
venga usato l'amen.
photek - "the water margin" (410kb)
http://www.netspyke.com/deelan/mp3/amen2-photek.mp3
goldie - "chico, death of a rock star" (470kb)
http://www.netspyke.com/deelan/mp3/amen1-goldie.mp3
circa 30 sec cadauno.
-- 
goldicus1970 AT 
yahoo.it
http://www.netspyke.com/deelan

 venga usato l'amen.
e credi bene, e' proprio illo! -_^°
(a me piace di piu' il FunkyDrummer...conosci, no?)
-- 
Papaggiu' il Mago di OT (togli una b per rispondere)
-Hombre que trabaja pierde tiempo precioso-
 (prov. cub.)

 (a me piace di piu' il FunkyDrummer...conosci, no?)
oh yeah, quello e' usato
anche nell'hiphop.
qual'e' quello usato dagli underworld in
"pearl girl"?
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 "pearl girl"?
azz, qui mi cogli in fallo... devo prima sentire il pezzo!
/me apre winmx...;)
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 /me apre winmx...;)
deve essere un loop noto... non mi suona nuovo,
o e' un "funky drummer" o e' un "think".
e' riprogrammato alla grande. adoro
quel pezzo.
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