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Titolo: OT The Sarajevo bomb antica storia

Questa e' una antica storia
La questione della bomba di Sarajevo che uno del gruppo contesta.
Attenti alla bomba del mercato di Sarajevo lanciata da Mussulmani su se
stessi con evvidente supporto da parte USA che due giorni dopo bombarda i
Serbi di Bosnia.
Come per la guerra di Spagna la guerra dei Balcani e' un prologo al piu'
triste evento e sperimenta le nuove tecniche e mezzi militari.
October 29, 1995 British experts dispute Sarajevo bombing probe
By Hugh McManners, London Sunday Times
British ammunition experts serving with the United Nations in Sarajevo have
challenged key "evidence" of the Serbian atrocity that triggered NATO's
devastating bombing campaign this year. The experts, who examined the scene
of the market massacre in Sarajevo in August, said they found no evidence
that Bosnian Serbs had fired the lethal mortar round. They suspected the
Bosnian government army might have been responsible.
They said French analysts who also examined the scene agreed with them. But
they were overruled by the senior American officer, and the UN issued a
statement saying it was beyond any doubt that the Bosnian Serbs were
responsible for the blast, in which 37 people were killed and 90 wounded.
The carnage was used as the pretext for NATO's huge air campaign against the
Bosnian Serbs, which was followed by extensive battlefield losses and forced
the Serbs to the negotiating table. The British experts were part of a UN
team that reached the Trznica market in Sarajevo 40 minutes after the mortar
attack on the morning of August 28. They began their inspection amid a
bloody scene of smashed fruit stalls and screaming people.
Five mortars had been fired. The size of the craters and metal splinters
indicated that they were all of 120 mm caliber, probably from towed mortars
that are regularly fired into the city.
The splinters were too small for any more precise identification to be
possible. But the analysts were able to determine from the pattern of
splinters and the shape of the craters the direction from which each bomb
was fired. They concluded that four of the mortars, which had caused no
injuries or loss of life, had been fired from areas indicating Serb
positions. The fifth shell, which caused the bloodshed, had come from a
position they could not identify.
They suspected that the perpetrator might easily have been the Bosnian
government army, which has been implicated in other incidents such as a
rocket attack on Sarajevo's television station on June 29 in which five
people died and 30 others were injured. The observations and findings were
confirmed by the French, and they returned to base to make their report. A
senior American officer at the United Nations Protection Force headquarters
in Sarajevo dismissed their findings, however, citing a small groove known
as a "fuse furrow" made in the ground by the bomb head.
He said this indicated that the fatal mortar round had come from the same
direction as the others. Neither British nor French analysts noticed such a
groove. By nightfall, the UN announced that the Bosnian Serbs were to blame.
Fewer than 48 hours later, the NATO air strikes and artillery campaign
began. Behind the technicalities of the dispute lies the murderous ability
of Sarajevo's mortar teams. Mortars usually have to be adjusted onto a
target by firing single bombs, a forward observer passing back corrections
until the target is hit. Since the siege of the city started in April 1992,
the significant targets have become well known to mortar men from all sides,
making the target adjustments unnecessary. Single mortar rounds can be fired
without warning into crowded squares or streets with enough accuracy to
ensure casualties. Last month, the United Nations was defensive about the
August massacre. One official said that after two previous mortar strikes to
which the Bosnian Serbs had owned up -- one of which had killed an Egyptian
UN soldier -- using this particular attack to trigger NATO action was, at
its most charitable, a presentational error. There is growing concern among
UN officials over reports from UN peacekeepers, European Community monitors
and Amnesty International that Croatian army and police units have been
beating and killing Serb civilians and burning down their homes in
recaptured areas of Croatia. UN peacekeepers had recorded more than 120
civilian deaths by the beginning of October. Only about 4,000 Serbs of the
original 185,000 have remained in the Krajina region of Croatia since its
recapture in August. Croatia has given them 90 days to reclaim their homes.
Saluti Cad Ali' e scusate l'OT
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Reuters, September 2, 1995
Russian U.N. Colonel questions massacre finding
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SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina
A senior Russian U.N. officer has publicly contradicted the U.N. inquiry
into Monday's mortar massacre in Sarajevo, which found "beyond a reasonable
doubt" that Serb forces were to blame, U.N. sources said Saturday.
The officer, Col. Andrei Demurenko, an artillery officer, is chief of staff
for the Sarajevo sector of the United Nations peacekeeping mission in
Bosnia.
His report, which one U.N. official called a "unilateral effort" went as far
as U.N. headquarters in New York.
Demurenko says his own technical analysis shows that a 120 mm mortar bomb
which killed 37 people and wounded 85 Monday could NOT have come from
Bosnian Serb Army positions...
...(Lt.-Col. Chris Vernon) said Demurenko was not the only person to make a
report questioning the official judgement: "Several reports critical of our
findings have made their way to U.N. headquarters in New York including one
from an officer here in Sarajevo and two which originated in the United
States."
Bosnian Serb television and media in neighboring Serbia made much of the
challenge to the U.N. verdict, showing Demurenko using charts and maps to
explain his analysis and saying it was "impossible" Serbs could have fired
the mortar.
Yugoslav state news agency Tanjug carried a report from Moscow saying the
official report had falsified the facts of the mortar attack and quoting
Demurenko as saying he feared he would be hounded for his conclusions.
"Photographs of these locations and calculations are in my hands. The most
important part of them is at a safe location so that nothing can change in
the event of my arrest," Tanjug quoted Demurenko as saying.
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 Ma ti e' mai parso che la cause scatenanti un intervento militare di una
potenza militare in una guerra siano mai stati "corretti" ???
 Di Pearl Harbour l'alto comando sapeva da giorni, tanto che le navi moderne
e le portaerei erano state prudentemente spostate, il Lusitania era
veramente classificato come incrociatore ausiliario: quelli che non lo
sapevano erano i passeggeri civili .
Entrambi i fatti non sono stati altro che  il pretesto esca di un piano
scellerato ideato per coinvolgere la maggioranza non interventista del
popolo americano in due guerre che non voleva...
E tu ti sorprendi per una granata da 120 su di un mercato affollato di
profughi affamati?
 Siamo seri, la guerra e' cosa sporca e  si gioca senza regole. Chi muore,
in fondo e' quello fortunato, pensa invece a chi deve convivere con gli
orrori che ha dovuto subire, col le mutilazioni, le violenze, le torture...
La guerra e' buona solo per chi le organizza e ci guadagna enormi fortune,
per gli altri non c'e' speranza oltre la sofferenza.
Raffaele

 Raffaele
 
Tutta questa roba si basa sul solito presupposto:
"esistono operazioni segretissime di cui nessuno sa nulla,
eccetto il mio amico Beppe e gli avventori del Bar marina
di Casalecchio."
Lev
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 di Casalecchio."
Probabilmente Beppe e gli avventori del Bar marina faranno pure chiacchiere
da Bar Sport, ma questo non implica che tutto avvenga sempre e comunque alla
luce del sole...
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 Lev
 Ma anche sul fatto che dopo qualche decina di anni tutti i viventi nel
momento dell'azione muoiono ed i nuovi nati non hanno riferimenti validi per
capire un evento, cosi' il segreto puo' cadere e si  puo'  iniziare a
scrivere sull'argomento....
 Personalmente non credo al "caso" quando i protagonisti di un evento ( come
la mistificazione del Lusitania ed altro dello stesso genere...) sono i
sommi capi militari di una nazione. Loro sanno pianificare le cose in modo
che l'amico Beppe non sappia nulla fino a due generazioni dopo...Potremmo
assimilare a tale filone di eventi Ustica ed i suicidi ad esso collegati, ma
questa sarebbe demagogia.. poi, in ogni nazione tali fenomeni sono naturali
e frequenti, compresa la civilissima Svezia, in cui il potere e' gestito da
una sola famiglia, ( che non e' quella reale..)
Raffaele

 di Casalecchio."
Ti sei scordato dell'Hotel Calzavecchio e della balera
"Samantha"..................  ( covo di lussuriosi.....)   ........  :(
Saluti         Porfirio
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Perfettamente d'accordo.
Posso far notare due cose?
A - e' diventata dura raccontar balle, i coperchi tengono sempre meno
B - le guerre moderne scoppiano perche' troppi sprovveduti si bevono le
balle
C - tre anni fa gli islamici erano quelli dalla secolare tolleranza e
multietnicita' le vittime innocenti del razzista Slobo
D - oggi sono quelli pericolosi e intolleranti che mettono le bombe, non si
integrano, sono pure razzisti e sanguinari
Va a finire che gli sprovveduti anche i piu' suonati non le bevono piu'
perche' troppo grosse e schizofreniche.
Vorrei tanto sapere che fine hanno fatto gli specialisti e benpensanti che
ci hanno dipinto l'islam delle fiabe fino all'11 settembre.
Hei se ci siete battete un colpo, facciamo un 3D sul livello di inquinamento
informativo e le possibili tecniche di bonifica mentale disponibili.
Non stanchiamoci mai di dire la verita' rinunciarci fa male al prossimo.
Saluti Cad Ali'
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The Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale)
Thursday, November 23, 1995
Editorial
By DAVID H. HACKWORTH; Special correspondent alias Beppe Vinazat
(Mr. Hackworth is AMERICA'S MOST DECORATED LIVING VETERAN.)
Last August, American pilots became the desperate Bosnian government's
surrogate air force. What triggered the NATO bombing campaign against the
Bosnian Serbs was a U.S. Army officer's bogus report that a Serb mortar
attack had killed 38 people. The objective of the air campaign was to bomb
the combatants to Dayton, where Richard Holbrooke would try to do the
improbable: make peace with those not ready for peace.
Recently, another American, Robert McNamara, made wise from the pain of a
warthat often bears his name, was searching for the truth in the graveyards
of a terrible American mistake: Vietnam.
McNamara asked Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin in
1964. Giap said the American-reported Vietnamese torpedo boat attack which
led to the U.S. bombing of his country never happened, confirming what a
Medal of Honor winner, retired Adm. Jim Stockdale - who was flying above the
nonevent - said long ago.
Giap insisted LBJ and his brass hats made up the incident to suck the U.S.
into the war - and it worked. Within hours, the bombs started falling.
The rest is history: Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution; by 1968,
one-half million Americans were in Vietnam; and by 1973, almost 400,000
Purple Hearts had been awarded.
What a shame it took McNamara 30 years to dig up the truth. Had he only
demanded absolute proof at the time, had Congress only not blindly accepted
LBJ's staged account, had what lawyers call "due diligence" only been
applied byCongress, perhaps a great tragedy would have been avoided.
Tonkin Gulf-type ruses are as old as war, and too often the follow-on
jingoistic juggernaut is impossible to stop.
The chant "Remember the Maine" triggered our war with Spain, even though
there was no proof Spain had sunk our battleship (ITAL) Maine in Havana
harbor. Many historians say Cuban guerrillas did it so we would come to
their aid, and, just by the way, scarf up a few of Spain's crown jewels as
war trophies.
Have the American people been tricked again? CIA spooks and several NATO
officers plus a squad of U.N. ammo experts say so. All report that the
mortar round that kicked off the NATO bombing was fired not by the Serbs,
but by Bosnian Muslims.
British and French ammunition experts arrived at Sarajevo's Trznica market
40 minutes after the attack to do a shell report, a technique used by grunts
almostsince the first mortar round slid down a tube.
A good shell report or crater analysis will tell the size of the round and
the exact degree from which the shell came. We're not talking rocket science
stuff here,but plain old infantryman-
putting-a-compass-in-the-still-hot-crater stuff.
The experts agreed the crater was made by a 120mm mortar shell fired from a
bearing of 170 degrees. This meant the shell came from the same Bosnian
government positions which had been involved in other attacks, such as a
rocket that hit Sarajevo's television station in June, causing 35 Bosnian
Muslim casualties.
Returning to U.N. headquarters, the "shell rep" team walked into a Tonkin
Gulf-like ambush when a senior American officer - who hadn't even set a boot
down near the market - overruled their scene-of-the-crime findings.
The brass hat ordered that the report say the mortar shell was fired by the
Serbs. It was the old military senior to subordinate drill: "You're wrong.
I'm right. You're out of here." Those who have worn a soldier suit with a
boss who's into cover-up or deceptions know the exercise well.
As with Spain and Vietnam, just hours after the officer submitted his
"official report," the bombs fell.
There was no shouting "Remember the Maine" or "Remember the Maddox" (the
U.S.destroyer that was the Tonkin Gulf ploy) this time. Bosnian Muslim Prime
Minister Haris Silajdzic did all the protesting: "I want air raids, air
raids immediately to punish those who are killing innocent people."
Air raids he got. And now, as with Cuba and Vietnam, we're about to send in
another generation of America "Rough Riders" to follow-up on the raids.
Unless, this time, Congress practices due diligence.
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The truth belongs to us all. Hauugh
Are you innocent? Yes?
Hey we find out another UFOman here quick with the doggy box.
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 Ma dovremmo iniziare con i motori a basso consumo, con le celle a
combustibile, con le energie alternative e le altre migliaia di omissioni
prima di passare alle "colpe" .
 Le guerre non si combattono senza soldi, ed allora dovremmo vedere da dove
escono i soldi spesi in guerre  ( santi Haker possibile che non cracchiate
mai un sito economico e non lo sputtanate in pubblico???)
Poi, dovremmo raccontare altre forme di notizie che per noi sono "verita'"
ma essendo scomode, quasi nessuno e' disposto a crederle..
Lo sai che il sunnominato Mc Namara ha fatto piu' morti come dirigente del
Fondo Monetario che come militare in Vietnam? Ma come lo racconti?
Raffaele


Raccontiamo e cerchiamo di rendere testimonianza della realta'.
A mio avviso troppi stanno dormendo sogni ovattati cerchiamo di svegliarli.
Sai com'e' il soono della ragione genera ....
Cominciamo col denunciare la condanna a morte che pende sul capo di ogni
Islamico eretico, se non fosse chiaro significa che chi non si uniforma al
pensiero dominante della societa' islamica rischia di persona, se si sogna
di convertirsi rischia la pelle per mano di qualche zelante idiota panzuto
con la barba.
Peggio di Stalin.
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