Newsgroup: it.cultura.religioni
Titolo: Sacerdozio dei fedeli (era: Re: vocazione, su I.C.A.)

 Assolutamente no.
Allora: nei primordi della chiesa l'esercizio del sacerdozio era legato alla
comunita', dentro la quale veniva scelto il presbitero od il vescovo.
Tale usanza ando' in disuso gradualmente: un colpo glielo inflisse il
Conciclio di Nicea, ma anche dopo continuarono le nomine di persone esterne
al clero.
Vedi  Ambrogio, un funzionario pubblico acclamato vescovo direttamente dalla
citta'.
Oppure vedi Gregorio di Nazianzio, che riporta un istruttivo episodio
avvenuto a Cesarea (mi scuso per l'inglese, ma il testo italiano in internet
non l'ho trovato. Se qualcuno sa dove posso trovare i testi della patristica
faccia un fischio, grazie).
Orazione 18, 33
33. A further story of the same period and the same courage. The city of
Caesarea was in an uproar about the election of a bishop; for
one(a) had just departed, and another must be found, amidst
heated partisanship not easily to be soothed. For the city was naturally
exposed to party spirit, owing to the fervour of its faith, and the rivalry
was increased by the illustrious position of the see. Such was the state of
affairs; several Bishops had arrived to consecrate the Bishop; the populace
was divided into several parties, each with its own candidate, as is usual
in
such cases, owing to the influences of private friendship or devotion to
God;
but at last the whole people came to an agreement, and, with the aid of a
band
of soldiers at that time quartered there, seized one of(b)
their leading citizens, a man of excellent life, but not yet sealed with the
divine baptism, brought him against his will to the sanctuary, and setting
him
before the Bishops, begged, with entreaties mingled with violence, that he
might be consecrated and proclaimed, not in the best of order, but with all
sincerity and ar-dour. Nor is it possible to say whom time pointed out as
more
illustrious and religious than he was. What then took place, as the result
of
the uproar? Their(g) resistance was overcome, they purified
him, they proclaimed him, they enthroned him, by external action, rather
than
by spiritual judgment and disposition, as the sequel shows. They were glad
to
retire and regain freedom of judgment, and agreed upon a plan--I do not know
that it was inspired by the Spirit--to hold nothing which had been done to
be
valid, and the institution to have been void, pleading violence on the part
of
him who had had no less violence done to himself, and laying hold of certain
words which had been uttered on the occasion with greater vigour than
wisdom.
But the great high-priest and just examiner of actions was not carried away
by
this plan of theirs, and did not approve of their judgment, but remained as
uninfluenced and unmoved as if no pressure at all had been put upon him. For
he saw that, the violence having been common, if they brought any charge
against him, they were themselves liable to a counter-charge, or, if they
acquitted him, they themselves might be acquitted, or rather with still more
justice, they were unable to secure their own acquittal, even by acquitting
him: for if they were deserving of excuse, so assuredly was he, and if he
was
not, much less were they: for it would have been far better to have at the
time run the risk of resistance to the last extremity, than afterwards to
enter into designs against him, especially at such a juncture, when it was
better to put an end to existing enmities than to devise new ones.
Ciao
Raffaele
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 sacerdozio dei laici?
C'entra nella misura in cui, su ICA, avevo chiesto la tua opinione su
ambedue gli argomenti, e nella misura in cui, portandoti due esempi circa il
sacerdozio dei laici, praticato nelle prime comunita' cristiane, emerge che
non solo questa forma di sacerdozio non e' estranea alla tradizione della
chiesa, ma che non lo e' neanche l'elezione diretta del vescovo/presbitero.
Psss: non quotare tutto il post nelle risposte se non necessario.
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per favore rifammi questi esempi di sacerdozio sacramentale dei fedeli
ciao

 per favore rifammi questi esempi di sacerdozio sacramentale dei fedeli
Nel post originale, erano Ambrogio ed il pagano di Cesarea ricordato da
Gregorio di Nazianzio.
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si ma se vuoi me li devi ripostare, io non li ho letti...