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Titolo: il mito é vero :scoperta la tomba di Ulisse (inglese)

Odisseo, il re di Ithaca esisteva realmente. Il mito é vero; uno dei piú 
famosi condottieri del
mondo, l'uomo che sfidó gli dei esisteva realmente, non era una figura 
mitologica.
ecco a voi il testo !!!
Archeologists make historic discovery
Saturday, August 27, 2005
By Thomas Elias - Columnist - The Madera Tribune
POROS, Island of Kefalonia, Greece - The tomb of Odysseus has been found, 
and the location of his legendary capital city of Ithaca discovered here on 
this large island across a one-mile channel from the bone-dry islet that 
modern maps call Ithaca.
This could be the most important archeological discovery of the last 40 
years, a find that may eventually equal the German archeologist Heinrich 
Schliemann's 19th Century dig at Troy. But the quirky people and politics 
involved in this achievement have delayed by several years the process of 
reporting the find to the world.
Yet visitors to Kefalonia, an octopus-shaped island off the west coast of 
Greece, can see the evidence for themselves at virtually no cost.
The discovery of what is almost certainly his tomb reveals that crafty 
Odysseus, known as Ulysses in many English renditions of Homer's "Iliad" and 
"Odyssey," was no mere myth, but a real person. Plus, passages in the 
"Odyssey" itself suggest that modern Ithaca and its main town of Vathi 
probably were not the city and island of which Homer wrote.
Rather, this small village of Poros on the southeast coast of Kefalonia now 
occupies part of a site that most likely was the much larger city which 
served as capital of the multi-island kingdom ruled by Odysseus and his 
father Laertes.
Archeologists have long and often times looked for evidence of Odysseus on 
modern Ithaca, but never found anything significant from the Bronze Age. 
This led many scholars to dismiss Homer's version of Ionian island geography 
as strictly a literary creation.
But two pieces of fairly recent evidence suggest archeologists were looking 
in the wrong place. In 1991, a tomb of the type used to bury ancient Greek 
royalty was found near the hamlet of Tzannata in the hills outside Poros. It 
is the largest such tomb in northeastern Greece, with remains of at least 72 
persons found in its stone niches.
One find there is particularly telling. In Book XIX of the "Odyssey," the 
just-returned and still disguised Odysseus tells his wife (who may or may 
not realize who she's talking to; Homer is deliberately ambivalent) that he 
encountered Odysseus many years earlier on the island of Crete. He describes 
in detail a gold brooch the king wore on that occasion.
A gold brooch meeting that precise description lies now in the archeological 
museum at Argostoli, the main city on Kefalonia, 30 miles across the island 
from Poros. Other gold jewelry and seals carved in precious stones excavated 
from the tomb offer further proof the grave outside Poros was used to bury 
kings.
Greek archeologists also found sections of ancient city walls extending for 
miles through the hills around and well beyond Poros. These surround both 
the village and a steep adjacent hill which bears evidence it once served as 
an acropolis, what the Greeks called hilltop forts in most of their major 
cities. The stones of the walls date to about 1300 B.C., the approximate 
time of events described in the "Iliad" and "Odyssey."
Most likely, the royal capital at Ithaca was a much larger city than Poros 
or any other town on either modern Ithaca or Kefalonia. It would have needed 
a major source of water. There is none on modern Ithaca, but streams abound 
near Poros, where there is also a small man-made lake. This area had the 
necessary water. The island now called Ithaca likely did not.
Several other ancient settlements found elsewhere on Kefalonia also suggest 
the island was a major population center at the time of Odysseus.
And Homer described two major landmarks near ancient Ithaca: He says it sat 
beneath an impressive mountain, the "tree-clad Mt. Neriton," which dominated 
views from the "wine-dark sea" for many miles around. That description fits 
Mt. Aenos, just above Poros, the highest peak in the Ionian islands. Homer 
also describes the legendary Cave of the Nymphs as within a day or two walk 
from the city of Ithaca. A spacious, dark cave with large stalactites and 
deep blue water matching Homer's description is currently a tourist 
attraction about 15 miles northwest of Poros.
Why hasn't all this been reported before? Because of local politics and 
economics. The most active promoter of the Poros area as Homeric Ithaca is 
the current mayor, who at one time was governor of the prefecture (county or 
small state) including both Ithaca and Kefalonia.
Gerasimos Metaxas, an author and amateur archeologist who gladly shows 
visitors remains of the ancient city call and innards of the tomb, was 
defeated for reelection as governor when he began promoting the 
Poros-as-Ithaca idea in Greek publications. Why? If Poros is Ithaca, who 
would ever go to the barren island now using the name? And if tiny Poros 
ever gets a huge tourist and cruise ship influx, what happens to Argostoli, 
now the center for those trades on Kefalonia?
As a result, the entire find has never been reported in the non-Greek press. 
And so far, major world media show little or no interest in the tale. But 
for lovers of Homer's sagas, there's now no place more appealing than 
Kefalonia.

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e che c*zzo!
ecco il link :
http://maderatribune.1871dev.com/news/newsview.asp?c=167178
salute

Anche Buddha č realmente esistito...ma č la leggenda su di lui che č un 
mito.
Praticamente, ad un uomo vengono attribuite dalla fantasia popolare 
caratteristiche innaturali e viene trasformato in mito.

 skrev i en meddelelse 
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Ho capito, un po come é avvenuto anche a Gesu.... ;-))

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Non č mica poi leggendaria la storia di Ulisse,vero in molti episodi ci han 
ricamato sopra,oppure erano racconti dal significato simbolico ma la sua 
"odissea",ossia anni e anni per riuscire a tornare in patria,per quei tempi 
non era inverosimile.
Ciao 


quello sembra proprio ke non sia neppure esistito...
drk

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a dire il vero di gesu'  ne sono esistiti parecchi,
neanche uno che si chiamasse Cristo

 Anna
"Cara vado a fare una guerricciola,al ritorno mi fermo un attimo a comprar 
le sigarette..."
;-))
Dici che ci ha marciato su un pò?Certo che vent'anni son tanti...