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Titolo: [OT] Saga dei Vor

Scusate l'OT, ma ho un piccolo dilemma che spero possiate aiutarmi a 
risolvere. Recentemente ho inizato la lettura della saga dei Vor della 
Bujold (che se non sbaglio alcuni di voi conoscono bene), ma ho qualche 
dubbio sull'ordine di lettura da seguire per i vari romanzi. Io ho 
iniziato con "Young Miles", volume che raccoglie i romanzi "Warrior's 
Apprentice", "Mountains of Mourning" e "The Vor Game". Adesso sono  in 
attesa di ricevere altri tre volumi, ovvero:
- "Cordelia's Honor" (che raccoglie "Barrayar" e "Shards of Honor")
- "Miles Errant" (che raccoglie "Borders of Infinity", "Brothers in 
Arms" e "Mirror Dance")
- "Miles, Mystery & Mayhem" (che raccoglie "Cetaganda", "Ethan of Athos" 
e il racconto "Labyrinth")
Probabilmente avrei dovuto iniziare con "Cordelia's Honor", ma ormai la 
frittata è fatta...
Adesso pensavo di attaccare con la raccolta "Miles, Mystery & Mayhem" 
(quindi il prossimo romanzo sarebbe "Cetaganda"). Cosa ne dite?
Grazie per l'aiuto!
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 Scusate l'OT, 
Di fronte al piccolo grande Miles l'OT non esiste ... ;-)
L'ordine cronologico dei romanzi dovrebbe essere questo:
Shards of Honor (L'onore dei Vor)
Barrayar
Warrior's apprentice (L'apprendista ammiraglio)
Mountains of mourning
The Vor Game (Il gioco dei Vor)
Cetaganda
Ethan di Athos (*)
Labyrinth
The borders of infinity (Alle frontiere dell'ignoto)
Brothers in arms (Il nemico dei Vor)
Mirror dance (I due Vorkosigan)
Memory
Komarr
A civil campaign
Diplomatic immunity
(*) Miles non c'e' - e' una specie di variazione sul tema.
Buona lettura !
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 Cetaganda
Quindi fin qui ci ho preso. Bene!
Grazie per l'info!
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 risolvere. Recentemente ho inizato la lettura della saga dei Vor
Quando hai finito questi libri dovrai leggere anche la saga dei Lon.
Fatto questo potrai togliere il tag [OT].
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Warrior's apprentice (L'apprendista ammiraglio)
...
Prima ancora c'e' Falling Free (Gravita' Zero) che e'
ambientato 200 anni prima della nascita di Miles ma
viene utile soprattutto per i riferimenti nell'ultimo libro
del ciclo.
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Fatto questo potrai togliere il tag [OT].
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risolvere.
http://luigi.rosa.name/vor
 c'e' anche la sequenza.
Ah! E' uscita negli USA una raccolta di racconti brevi di vari autori,
tra cui la Bujold che narra del matrimonio di Miles.
A detta di molti parrebbe 'nacagata
Ciao,
luigi

 Fatto questo potrai togliere il tag [OT].
Saga dei Lon? cos'è, una parodia che ha come protagonista un Londo alto 
un metro e mezzo? ;-p
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 alto un metro e mezzo? ;-p
Beeep! Risposta sbagliata! :þ
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 un po' il buon Tyrion (o viceversa)?  
Le due cose non si escludono a vicenda  ;-)
Comunque e' un paragone che non mi era mai balzato alla mente - fino ad 
ora .. Sai che piu' ci penso e piu' vedo dei contatti tra i due ?
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 Prima ancora c'e' Falling Free (Gravita' Zero) 
Hai ragione - me ne ero dimenticata !
Devo ammettere pero' che per me se non c'e' Miles non vale .. ;-)
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 Beeep! Risposta sbagliata! :ž
Basta fare il Vorlon ! :-P
(o devo chiamare Orietta Berti ??)
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 Basta fare il Vorlon ! :-P
Risposta corretta. Brava. :)
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Devo ammettere pero' che per me se non c'e' Miles non vale .. ;-)
Pero' e' un gran bel romanzo.
Ciao,
luigi

Shards of Honor (L'onore dei Vor)
Prima c'e' FreeFall, un film sulle saldature...
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(quindi il prossimo romanzo sarebbe "Cetaganda"). Cosa ne dite?
Ah, beh...
If you know of any OTHER editions please let me know.
Vorkosigan Chronology
The following list is in the order they happened with respect to
Miles's timeline. The year of first publication appears in brackets.
See bibliography above for detailed information. See also the appendix
of most of the more recently published material.
    * Dreamweaver's Dilemma in Dreamweaver's Dilemma (1996) [DD]
    * Falling Free (1988) [FF]
    * Shards of Honor (1986) [SoH]
    * Barrayar (1991)
    * The Warrior's Apprentice (1986) [TWA]
    * The Mountains of Mourning in Borders of Infinity (1989) [tMoM]
    * The Vor Game (1990) [TVG]
    * Cetaganda (1995)
    * Ethan of Athos (1986) [EoA]
    * Labyrinth in Borders of Infinity (1989)
    * The Borders of Infinity in Borders of Infinity (1987)
    * Brothers in Arms (1989) [BiA]
    * Linking sections of Borders of Infinity (1989) [BoI]
    * Mirror Dance (1994) [MD]
    * Memory (1996)
    * Komarr (1998)
    * A Civil Campaign (1999) [ACC]
    * Winterfair Gifts (2004) [WG]
    * Diplomatic Immunity (2002) [DI] 
Preso da : 
http://www.dendarii.com/biblio.html
Miles Vorkosigan/Naismith:
His Life And Times
Originally created for Baen's website in 1996, later additions by
Michael Bernardi from the books.
Approximately 300 years before Miles' Birth
    Quaddies are created by Genetic Engineering. (Falling Free) 
During the Beta-Barrayaran War
    Cordelia Naismith meets Lord Aral Vorkosigan while on opposite
sides of a war. Despite difficulties, they fall in love and are
married. (Shards of Honor) 
The Vordarian Pretendership
    While Cordelia is pregnant, an attempt to assassinate Aral by
poison gas fails, but Cordelia is affected; Miles Vorkosigan is born
with bones that will always be brittle and other medical problems. His
growth will always be stunted. (Barrayar) 
Miles is 17
    Miles fails to pass a physical test to get into the Service
Academy. On a trip, necessities force him to improvise the Free
Dendarii Mercenaries into existence, he has unintended but unavoidable
adventures for four months. Leaves the Dendarii in Ky Tung's competent
hands and takes Elli Quinn to Beta for rebuilding of her damaged face;
returns to Barrayar to thwart plot against his father. Emperor pulls
strings to get Miles into the Academy. (The Warrior's apprentice) 
Miles is 20
    Ensign Miles graduates and immediately has to take on one of the
duties of Barrayaran nobility and act as a detective and judge in a
murder case. (The Mountains of Mourning in Borders of Infinity) 
    Shortly afterward, his first military assignment ends with his
arrest. Miles has to rejoin the Dendarii to rescue the young
Barrayaran Emperor. Emporor accepts Dendarii as his personal secret
service force. (The Vor Game) 
Miles is 22
    Miles and his cousin Ivan attend a state funeral on Cetaganda.
Miles collects trouble, of course, but proves he is a contender.
(Cetaganda) 
    Miles sends Elli Quinn, who's been given given a new face on Beta,
on a solo Mission to Kline Station. (Ethan of Athos) 
Miles is 23
    Now a Barrayaran Lieutenant, Miles goes with the Dendarii to
smuggle a scientist out of Jackson's Whole. Miles's fragile leg bones
have been replaced with synthetics. (Labyrinth in Borders of Infinity)
Miles is 24
    Miles plots from within a Cetagandan prison camp on Dagoola IV to
free the prisoners. (The Borders of Infinity in Borders of Infinity) 
    The Dendarii fleet is pursued by the Cetagandans and finally
reaches earth for repairs. Miles has to juggle both his identities at
once, raise money for repairs, and defeat a plot to replace him with a
double. Ky Tung stays on Earth. Comander Elli Quinn is now Miles's
righthand officer. Miles and his Dendarii depart for sector IV on a
rescue mission. (Brothers In Arms) 
Miles is 25
    Hospitalized after previous mission, Miles' broken arms are
replaced by synthetic bones. With Simon Illyan, Miles undoes yet
another plot against his father while flat on his back. (Borders of
Infinity) 
Miles is 28
    Miles meets his clone brother Mark again, this time on Jackson's
Whole. (Mirror Dance) 
Miles is 29
    Miles hits thirty; thirty hits back. (Memory) 
Miles is 30
    Emperor Gregor dispatches Miles to Komarr to investigate a space
accident, where he finds old politics and new technology make a deadly
mix. (Komarr) 
Miles is 30
    The Emperor's wedding sparks romance and intrigue on Barrayar, and
Miles plunges up to his neck in both. (A Civil Campaign) 
Miles is 31
    Miles and Ekaterin's wedding. (Winterfair Gifts) 1 
Miles is 32
    Miles and Ekaterin's honeymoon journey is interrupted by an
Auditorial mission to Quaddiespace, where they encounter old friends,
new enemies, and a double handful of intrigue. (Diplomatic Immunity) 
1 Not published by Baen. 
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Wow, che risposta esauriente... Grazie!
Mi rimane solo un ultimo dubbio: č meglio seguire l'ordine cronologico 
degli eventi (cosě come riportato nel tuo elenco), oppure l'ordine con 
cui i romanzi sono stati scritti/pubblicati (le date in parentesi)?
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 Risposta corretta. Brava. :)
*Detesto* i Vorlon quando fanno i Vorlon !!! :-D
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 Pero' e' un gran bel romanzo.
Purtroppo me lo ricordo pochissimo (l'ho letto parecchio tempo fa) - 
magari lo riprendero' in futuro ..
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 *Detesto* i Vorlon quando fanno i Vorlon !!! :-D
YES! :)
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*Detesto* i Vorlon quando fanno i Vorlon !!! :-D
  Good.
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cui i romanzi sono stati scritti/pubblicati (le date in parentesi)?
Io consiglio l'ordine cronologico.
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 YES! :)
ROTFL !!!

   Good.
Ci deve essere un'epidemia ...

Ci deve essere un'epidemia ...
  La valanga e' gia' iniziata.
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   La valanga e' gia' iniziata.
Then the willows must scuttle carefully ..
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 Ci deve essere un'epidemia ...
We are all Kosh.
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And so, it begins...

 Io consiglio l'ordine cronologico.
Credo che farň cosě, visto che la stessa Bujold lo consiglia.
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 And so, it begins...
"Understanding is a three-edged sword."
Ormai è una vera e propia epidemia di Vorlonite acuta... e io non ho 
ancora capito cos'è 'sta saga dei Lon...
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ancora capito cos'č 'sta saga dei Lon...
  You don't understand but you will.
  P.S. Quest'ultima te la sei proprio cercata! ;-D
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Ok, lo ammetto...
P.S.: ARGH!!!!!
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degli eventi (cosě come riportato nel tuo elenco), 
Si', si', si', si'!
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 ancora capito cos'č 'sta saga dei Lon...
Ah, you seek meaning? Then listen to the music, not the song.
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   P.S. Quest'ultima te la sei proprio cercata! ;-D
It was necessary. 
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 And so, it begins...
Reflection, surprise, terror... for the future.
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 P.S.: ARGH!!!!!
No. You do not even understand yourself. 
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 Si', si', si', si'!
Who, the Narn or the Centauri?
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 ancora capito cos'è 'sta saga dei Lon...
Devi chiederglielo in modo gentile - tipo:
"Uscite da quelle dannate tute relazionali e rispondete !!!"
(poi rimanda la gita a Z'ha'dum - e' meglio ..)
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 Reflection, surprise, terror... for the future.
Qualcuno li fermi, per pieta' !!!!!!!!!!
:-P
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Troppo tardi...
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 Qualcuno li fermi, per pieta' !!!!!!!!!!
We take no interest in the affairs of others.
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 (poi rimanda la gita a Z'ha'dum - e' meglio ..)
You are not ready for immortality.
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 Troppo tardi...
Leave this place. They are not for you. Go. Leave. Now.
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 We take no interest in the affairs of others.
We have to care for one another, because if we don't, who will  ?
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 Troppo tardi...
Prova con "Get the hell out of our Galaxy !!"  ;-)
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 You are not ready for immortality.
Understanding is a three-edged sword ...
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:-P
Let's see what happens...
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Emilio Desalvo ha scritto:
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The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
:)

 Let's see what happens...
You are not ready. You would not understand.

>>>>>We are all Kosh.
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Since no one is perfect, it follows that all great deeds have been
accomplished out of imperfection.
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Emilio Desalvo ha scritto:
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It is not yet time

It is not yet time
The will to be stupid is a very powerful force
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 accomplished out of imperfection.
Ah, you seek meaning. Then listen to the music, not the song
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Ah, you seek meaning. Then listen to the music, not the song
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