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Titolo: Mark Levinson, Marantz & Sony Europe Issue Dual Disc Advisory Notices

La lista dei produttori di lettori che mettono in guardia da possibili
malfunzionamenti nell'utilizzo di Dual Disc sui loro prodotti si
allunga di parecchio. 
Stando così le cose, il Dual Disc, dichiarato erede del fallimentare
dvd-a si è rilevato una bufala!
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=14918904
Mark Levinson, Marantz & Sony Europe Issue Dual Disc Advisory Notices 
The parade of optical disc player makers issuing Dual Disc Advisories
grew to 8 this week with new consumer notices being issued by Mark
Levinson, Marantz & Sony Europe. The three new notices come on the
heels of 5 earlier Dual Disc caution and warning notices from Toshiba,
Sony Electronics, Pioneer Electronics, Onkyo Electronics and Sony
Computer Entertainment America.
Readers of High Fidelity Review know that we have been following the
Dual Disc format since its announcement in the Summer of 2003. The
format, developed by Warner Music in the U.S., consists of a "flipper
disc" that has DVD Video and/or DVD Audio content on one side and "CD"
content on the other side. The use of the term "CD" on the disc's flip
side has been the source of some contention since it apparently does
not meet the Compact Disc specification and has therefore not received
permission from Philips, co-developer of the Compact Disc format, to
use the term Compact Disc - or the Compact Disc logo - on the Dual
Disc packaging.
Mark Levinson and Proceed Warranty Coverage
The Mark Levinson division of Madrigal Audio Labs, part of the Harman
International family of audio companies, issued one of the sterner
Dual Disc notices we've seen to date this week. The company told
consumers that the use of Dual Discs with their Mark Levinson and
Proceed branded CD and DVD players "may damage" the players and such
"damage" would not be covered under the player's warranty. Here's the
full text of the Levinson statement:
"Statement Regarding the "DualDisc" Format
Mark Levinson recommends that consumers do not use "DualDisc" products
with Mark Levinson CD or Proceed CD and DVD products. It is unknown
whether these products can safely handle these new hybrid discs, or
whether these discs may damage Mark Levinson or Proceed products. Mark
Levinson will provide an update upon the conclusion of internal
testing of these discs in our products. Any damaged caused by using
these discs will not be covered under warranty. Thank you for your
patience while we test this new format."
Marantz Notice on DualDisc Use
Also joining the DualDisc advisory list this week was Marantz, an
audio and video products maker co-owned by Denon. Marantz says they
recently "became aware" of the DualDisc format and that it recommends
that consumers do not use DualDiscs with Marantz products until their
research and development department can test these new discs. The
Marantz DualDisc statement is as follows:
"IMPORTANT NOTICE ABOUT DUAL-DISC - Nov 2, 2004
Marantz became aware that some two sided discs - which are referred to
as “DualDisc” - have been released into the consumer market by some
music companies and/or record labels. These double-sided discs appear
to be a bonded combination of DVD on one side and non-DVD (which may
incorrectly be referred to as a CD side) on the other side of the
disc.
To our understanding the non-DVD side of the “DualDisc” does not meet
the Compact Disc Digital Audio specification and clearly not includes
a CD logo.
Until our Marantz development & research department has the
opportunity to test the new commercially available double-sided discs,
we cannot assure our products can safely handle these new double-sided
discs, or whether these discs may damage your Marantz products.
Therefore we strongly recommend that consumers do not use “DualDisc”
with any Marantz products, including CD players/changers, DVD
players/changers, universal players or SA-CD players."
Sony Europe Notice About Dual Disc Use With CD, DVD, SACD and Vaio
Products
This week also saw Sony Europe issue a new set of Frequently Asked
Questions (FAQs) on their web site about the Dual Disc and its use
with CD, DVD, SACD and Vaio products made by the firm. The new FAQs
were interesting - both because it covered the Vaio series of
computers Sony makes (which have as of yet not been covered by any
Sony U.S. DualDisc notices) and because DualDiscs are not allowed to
be sold in Europe at this time (due to patents held on the flipper
disc concept by Dieter Dierks of DVD International in Germany). 
The DualDisc FAQs from Sony Europe discuss and answer the following
questions: 
What is DualDisc?
Will the DVD side of the DualDisc play on Sony DVD players or
DVD-optioned PCs?
Will the audio side of the DualDisc play on Sony DVD players or
DVD-optioned PCs?
Will the audio side of the DualDisc play on a Sony CD player or
CD-optioned PC?
Will Sony modify my DVD/CD or CD player or drives to play DualDiscs?
Will DualDiscs play in my Sony MegaStorage CD or Megastorage DVD
Changers?
Will DualDiscs play in my slot-type CD or DVD players?
Will DualDiscs play in car CD players and car DVD players? 
One wonders if this is a prelude to a series of DualDisc advisories
from other European CD, DVD, SACD and PC makers - just on the off
chance that European music fans might be importing DualDiscs from the
U.S. market via the web. We'll have to watch and see. 
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Ciao,
franSACD
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Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

 Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Presto mi arrivera' sto famoso dual disc che testero' su una decina tra i
piu' disparati lettori, vecchi e nuovi  ........
Non posso pero' fare a meno di notare che l'offerta, dopo poco l'annuncio,
e' incredibilmente forte: Ebay e' piena di offerte, come pure molti "online
store".
Oltretutto, visto che il problema riguarda lo strato cd, mi puzza assai
questa presa di posizione.
Come mai prima, nessuno ha mai detto niente tra questi costruttori, quando
sono stati venduti un'infinita' di cd non conformi con lo stantard cd per la
ben nota "saga" dei cd audio protetti e tanti erano i letori che non li
leggevano ?
Lo stesso non successe al lancio dei SACD ibridi, dove molti player DVD non
ne riconoscevano il layer cd imballandosi su quello dvd senza ovviamente
poterlo leggere .......
Sinceramente sono perplesso :(
Saluti
                            Marco

 Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Sono come San Tommaso, voglio toccare con mano, e tocchero' molto presto
.........
In ogni caso si leggesse anche solo il lato dvd-audio a me importerebbe
molto poco :)
Saluti
               Marco

molto poco :)
Perchč??? il DVD-A sul marantz va alla grande (perlomeno la traccia 
2ch-Hi/RES)... e quei (pochi) titoli che ci sono (generalmente pop o jazz) 
non sono sottopposti al ladrocinio commerciale delle majors!!!
Tommy degli WHO in SACD č un disco doppio (40/50 euro)... ma scherziamo!!!
IN DVD-A l'ho pagato da dvdsoon 13,35!!!

 perché questi ultimi continueranno ad essere richiesti dal mercato.
Capisco la tua SPUDORATAMENTE partigiana presa di posizione sui SACD vs i 
DVD-A (e non ne contesto i motivi)...
ma questo che c'azzecca con Tommy degli WHO?
Con il SACD ti becchi due dischetti a prezzo pieno
Con il DVD-A il disco era unico
Con i CD doppi la riedizione SACD sarà sempre così per via della 
compatibilità con il layer CD...
potrebbero almeno farli pagare come disco singolo...
Ciao 

 Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Continuo a ritenere assurde queste "guerre" di formati ..........
Compriamo quello che c'e' di buono sul mercato, fregandocene su che formato
vengono proposte .........
Tanto ormai i player sono quasi tutti universali e la caratteristica di
leggere qualsiasi tipo di disco non verra' mai tolta, per il semplice fatto
che questa caratteristica si puo' avere su un lettore da 150 Euro e quindi
non ci sarebbe nessun risparmio.
Saluti
                  Marco