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Titolo: Meditare e crescere

Being in the priviledged job of selling hifi, I thought its about time
to set about writing a list of the stuff I've heard as I'm getting a
bit irritated about droning on about what i'd recommend at certain
price brackets. Everything is therefore IMO and these are generally
good all-round products which I'd personally feel confident about
selling and the customer not returning, dissatisfied  . I only review
products I have thoroughly been over, not 5 minute wonders!! 
Questo si legge su forum di persone sensate e/o non pilotati dalle
riviste.Trovando approvazione dalla maggioranza e con solo eccezioni
di stupidita' negativa.
Ciao
    berry
http://www.soundberry.com
Sito e forum dedicato alla vera hifi low cost.

http://www.bynoi.com/berry.html
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Berry, e che mi dici di AVS forum ed Epidauro dai quali sei stato bannato ?
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Berry, e che mi dici di AVS forum ed Epidauro dai quali sei stato bannato ?
Che dovresti essere intelligente da capirlo da solo ma siccome credi
ancora alle riviste..
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Che fai offendi pure ora? AVS forum ed Epidauro NON sono riviste ma forum di
appasionati dai quali sei stato bannato. Perchč. Spiegamelo? E poi, su
www.TNT-audio.com
 dicono ti sia capitata la stessa cosa. Puoi postare i link
in questione e darmi spiegazioni un po' piů esaustive ed articolate?
Grazie.
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 ancora alle riviste..
Cito non dalle riviste ma da 'appassionati', quale sei tu, in relazione alle
ProAc Studio 100 che tu denigri tanto:
I've been using theese speakers for a while now and would like to share my
view.
There is a common missunderstanding among the people who tend to give
ProAc's high score on reviews. The mistake is that they compare ProAc's to
similary priced loudpeakers. No wonder they like them. The Studio 100 should
be compared to other speakers that cost at least twise as much. You do that
and you'll come to conclusions:
-ProAc's have most delicate and natural midrange that beats more expensive
competition.
- Soundstage is wider, deeper, higher and more focused.
- Speakers dissapear. Music is not reproduced. It is CREATED. Presence!
-Studio 100 pulls a trick of being linear, romantic, easy to listen to, good
even at nearfield litening with wide dispersion in same time as it is
responding to minimal changes in equipment, positioning and cabling.
If there ever was a HiFi loudspeaker that made studio folks agree with
audiophiles and music lovers - than THIS IS IT!
Ancora:
I bought these speakers fron Dave when they were 6 months old in 1990. They
were the demos mounted on the wall at Playing by Ear. I was perusing the
CD's when I heard some Flemenco music playing directly behind me. At one
passage the artist slapped the body of his guitar. The textures of flesh and
wood gaves me goosebumps. You could hear every bit of the sound resonating
within the body of the guitar.
I turned around to make sure I was still listening to a pair of speakers. I
walke out of the store with those speakers and a pair of Target stands. I
have owned these speakers ever since and they have been nothing but a
pleasure to own. I replaced the original driver last year when the surround
dry rotted away. I replaced it with the same driver as the Studio 150. The
new driver has a much larger magnet and it is apparent in the authority of
the bass and midrange. I frequent many high-end shops as often as possible.
I have listened to speakers ranging from $1200 to $35,000. I almost trade my
speakers in a couple of times but couldn't part with them. No, they are not
the final word in speakers. But they hold their own a gainst any speaker in
their price range and MANY that cost much much more. These speakers do
require the best equipment that you can afford in front of them. Don't try
to match these with Mid-Fi. You will be disappointed. Vacuum tubes do work
best, or Class A solid state ONLY! These speakers do everything well. If you
want more bass, add a sub. Once you go ProAc, you don't go back.
Ancora:
For less than $1000, STUDIO 100 is the perfect match with a good quality
tube amplifier. The weaknesses of tubes are compensated by the superb PROAC
behaviour.
Looking for a perfect match with my 40 watts tube amplifier (designed by a
brilliant friend who combined and improved many classic tubes amplifier
designs from around the world), we have spend many months listening to dozen
of various speakers on the Canadian market. Nothing could satisfy us. Until
we eard the PROACs! In this price range, nothing compared to the STUDIO 100.
In fact, I challenge anybody to come with a comparable quality of sound
without spending twice as much money!
Ancora:
These speakers are great for a small, NY styled living room. Quite a bit of
bass for such a small speaker that has great mid and highs. Goes well with a
tube amp to increase the bass and make the overall sound smooth. Sound real
cool with hip hop or other smooth grooves.
Ancora:
I newly traded my ProAc Tablette 50 for Studio 100.
Price difference is small,
but a certain salesman owed me some money so I took a chance...
The biggest difference is in size of a box and bass unit which is a fine
Scanspeak Sonus unit modified according to ProAc requirements. Even the twee
ter is different form tabs, it´s slightly bigger and looks more serious. It
appears that even tweeter is a special version maded by Seas. Crossover is a
simple device with medium quality of components.
Sound is in many ways similar to Tablette 50´s, and that´s no bad deal.
Studio 100 makes a bigger and slightly higher soundstage, but they should be
towed-in somewhat more than tabbies.
As for stands I would not recomend nothing lower than Target R1 which are
63-65 cm high.
You do get more and deeper bass but you allso get a lot warmer sound which
might not go well in small rooms or with instruments like cello.
If you own some of those over-equalized (read as: over-warm) recordings like
Chris Isaak´s ´´Blue Spanish Sky´´ you´ll find it impossible to listen to
because
of strong boxy colorations.
Wicked Game was the only album in my entire record collection that gave me
problems with that.
Since than I´ve maded some changes in internal damping and speakers really
sound much less coloured. It don´t cost much, just use medium hard syntetic
foam pads with pyramid-like formations on inner side, I found it to be only
type which reduces colorations in the right way.
Otherwise Studio 100 is hard to fault and that´s witnessed by many studio
engeneers who found
Studio 100 to be among their favorite monitors.
You might be surprised to know that many respected artists recordings were
monitored thru theese monitors: Sting, Elton John, Genesis, Dire Straits,
Prince, Slash...
Vocals are just what you expect from ProAc- natural, while high ferquencies
are joy to hear. Soundstaging has allways been ProAc´s hallmark, and so even
here. Wide and deep
images are guaranted.
If you have patience and skill for making a good set-up for Studio 100, they
will never let you down.
I see it as one bridge between studio and high-fi folks, and there aren´t
many!
Ancora:
This is an excellent speaker with impeccable sound, superb build quality,
and is easy to partner.
I was looking for a small speaker with low coloration, flat frequency
response and good dynamics to replace the bulky monitor speakers I have
lived with for some years. The Dynaudio Contour 1.3 came very close but at a
high price; the Acoustic Energy AE2 Reference was very exciting with
exceptional bass quality but was difficult to partner with my equipment.
It took some persuading to obtain a demo as my dealer considered that the
ProAc speakers demo'ed badly in his shop. My initial impression was of bass
lightness but before the end of the first CD track I was stunned by the
general good quality and absence of any vice. On extended listening, the
stunning imaging and absence of distortion became apparent.
The ProAc Studio 100s have an excellent integration with my 6m x 4m living
room which has solid walls and floor (in contrast to the plasterboard
construction of the dealer's demo room). Listening tests and analysis with
test equipment showed an absence of the usual upper bass boom and an
essentially flat response from 60Hz upwards. I had already considered that I
would partner the bookshelf speakers with a sub-woofer in order to achieve
flexibility of room placement. Loaning a REL Storm, connecting to the
speaker terminals of my amp, I ended up dialing in a low pass frequency of
about 30 Hz. This added in the missing low bass and integrated well at the
mid-bass frequencies with no impact whatsoever on the excellent ProAc
midrange.
On their own the ProAcs still hold their own; the absence of bass boom (and
other audio nasties) means that the speakers can be driven at enthusiastic
levels without raising comments from the rest of the family. Also, at only
£750 it is much less expensive than the other models mentioned.
In my opinion, a totally deserved 5 stars!
Ancora:
Wow. What else can I say. I have been listening to Thiel (.5, 1.5), Magnepan
(1.6QR), Paradigm (variety), System Audio, and Vandersteen (2ce sig's). I
originally went to listen to the Vandy 2ce Signatures, and I thought they
were ok. I have been listening to mostly floor-standers, and this was the
first pair of stand-mounteds that I have seriously listened to. I listened
through a solid state Audio Research amp (I think the 100.2) and Audio
Research preamp (not sure which) and a CAL CD player (CL-15)
I won't go into detail regarding the Vandy's but suffice to say they are no
longer on my short list (didn't image well enough)
I had thought I was going to but a floor standing speaker, but once I
listened to these ProAc's I re-thought my entire speaker buying process. I
am now going to listen to the B&W CDM1SE's, the NHT 1.5, Paradigm Reference
20, and the PSB stratus mini. I just couldn't find a floor stander that
would image like these ProAcs.
The Proac Studio 100 just plain DISAPPEARED when I listened to it. The
soundstage was deep, the imaging was very resolved, the clarity was pristine
(without being edgy) and the instruments sounded the way they should.
I brought along a lot of "bad" recordings (i.e. old Allman brothers stuff)
and these speakers were transparent, but seemingly more forgiving than other
speakers (most notably the Thiels.) This is the only speaker that seemed
capable of reproducing the Sunday's 'Blind' CD to my satisfaction (this is a
very bright recording at times) It maintained the transparency, but added a
musicality and smoothness that I just fell in love with.
I was worried about SPL and bass extension. I listen pretty loud, and I
listen to (sometimes) stuff like Jamiroquai, Beastie Boys, etc. and bass is
somewhat important. The dealer popped in an "all-bass" CD (Bass Boom Bottom,
I believe it was called) These things VIBRATED THE WINDOWS. I was impressed,
they must have been good to a solid 45Hz, with no distortion (it sounded
clean to me.)
All in all, these speakers are now at the top of my list. I never thought I
would purchase a stand-mounter, but these things image just too good.
Imaging is important to me, and these ProAcs just delivered the goods.
Ti bastano? Le TUE opinioni valgono di piu'? Perche'?
Mi scuso con il resto del NG.
Clark Kent

Grazie.
Ma ti stai montando la testa?Devo dimostrare qualcosa a te?
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Capire:
questi post vanno bene ,non va per nulla bene quando offendi
..sbagliando oltretutto.
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 ..sbagliando oltretutto.
Berry quoti come un cazzone, tutto il post per aggiungere tre righe?
Ti offendo se ti dico questo? Cosa dovrei dirti? Bravo?
Questi post NON vanno bene, sono INUTILI, il fatto che tu li apprezzi li
rende ancora piu' inutili...
Clark Kent

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Ma lo sai che questo e' l'unico forum al mondo dove bisogna sentire
lamentele per ogni cosa dica o riporti qualcuno?
SONO OPINIONI.
Se ti danno fastidio e' un problema tuo.
Medita supermen.
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 Se ti danno fastidio e' un problema tuo.
Le 'opinioni' non mi danno assolutamente fastidio, solo gli assolutismi come
i tuoi.
Clark Kent

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Ripeto:
1) AVS forum ed Epidauro NON sono riviste ma forum di appasionati dai quali
sei stato bannato.
PERCHE'?
2) su 
www.TNT-audio.com
 dicono ti sia capitata la stessa cosa.
PERCHE'?
3) Su questo NG hai un sacco di problemi
PERCHE'?
4) Ti ho chiesto delucidazioni senza mai offenderti e tu mi dici che dovrei
essere intelligente (quindi mi dai implicitamente dello stupido)
PERCHE'?
Se il tuo IO č davvero cosě integerrimo spiegami il PERCHE' di tutto ciň.
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Fatti curare .
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