Newsgroup: it.cultura.religioni
Titolo: Lux madriana e il paganesimo matriarcale

http://groups.msn.com/Lux-Madriana
Non me ne voglia Sercaluna che posto questo messaggio sul paganesimo 
matriarcale giusto dopo il suo post sul paganesimo "femminista", infatti
questo messaggio lo volevo postare da giorni ma solo ora ho trovato il tempo 
necessario...chissá un gioco del fato oppure una mera coincidenza? chissá!
Allora su di un forum inglese ho avuto un tip (una soffiata) da un'amico che 
aveva trovato un gruppo di discussione su di una "setta" pagana matriarcale
Inglese anni '70 (ora estinta)...tuttavia vi é sui gruppi MSN (gruppi di 
discussione simili a Yahoo solo qualitativamente piú scarsi) un forum 
dedicato
a questo tipo di paganesimo (non Wicca) , sempre sul gruppo ci sono tutti i 
loro testi sacri, naturalmente tutto in Inglese.
 Il mio umile parere, dopo aver letto la loro dottrina, la ritengo 
interessante e originale; ma nel complesso alquanto banale.
Non aggiungono nulla di nuovo, se non una interpretazione femminile del 
mondo spirituale, ma sempre in perfetto stile monoteista (ispirazione 
ebraica?) o dovrei
dire monolatrica? non mi sorprende se questa "religione" sia poi scomparsa, 
per quanto originale poteva essere in fondo era solo una reinterpretazione 
di vari miti
in chiave femminile e settarica (e ció elitista) per es. esiste una storia 
simile al viaggio di Ishtar nel regno dei morti, solo con qualche coloritura 
quá e lá.
 Mah...cmq, non voglio annoiarvi e dunque ecco a voi il link :
http://groups.msn.com/Lux-Madriana
e chissá magari sempre sperando che questo post, possa miracolosamente 
(sempre attraverso occhi pagani) ispirare alle pagane italiane di far 
qualcosa d'altro
che rimanere in sottofondo (citando il post di Sercalunna) lasciando la 
palla sempre ai "soliti" uomini.
enjoy (Inglese)
The Creation
Chapter One
Before and beyond all things is the Mistress of All Things, and when nothing 
was, She was. 2 And having no solid place that Her feet might rest upon, She 
divided the sea from the sky, and made a dance of solitary splendour upon 
the crested deeps. 3 And She was pure force or energy, and therefore pure 
delight; and the crashing of the waves was the overflowing of Her joy. 4 And 
the white force of Her superabundant joy grew so great that must take shape 
in laughter; and Her laughter was the shape of all things. 5 For each peal 
of Her voice became a silver fragment, broken from the Whole and yet 
complete in itself. And She loved each fragment with all the joy of Her 
being, and Her hands knew cunning. 6 And She stretched forth Her hands and 
gave a shape to each fragment, and no one was like any other. 7 And She 
parted the vasty waters that there might be a place to set them down.
And She laughed.
8 And each fragment was filled with Her delight, and therefore was living. 
And some grew in the deep earth, and were plants and trees; some ran about 
the ground or flew above it; and those first-made that had no place to be 
set down became the fishes and the creatures of the sea. And every thing was 
silver.
And She laughed.
9 And at the edges, where the waters had been parted, they lay still and 
shallow; and there She cast Her gaze. And She saw an image of Herself, all 
suffused in the light of love and energy. And She laughed. 10 And as She 
laughed, the image rose up from the water and stood before Her. And this was 
the first of Her daughters. And she was filled with love for Her, and 
therefore was the first creature of spirit. 11 And she knew cunning, and she 
ran about the earth with love of all things, giving a name to every thing 
and creature, each in the order that She had shaped them.
12 And the Mistress of All Things was filled with delight, and ran laughing 
through the forests of the earth. 13 And every peal of Her voice became the 
image of a silver fragment of Her Spirit. 14 And the trees and rivers were 
filled with nymphs and every kind of sprite. And all were Her daughters. And 
Her love for each was inexhaustible, for each was a reflection of some 
boundless fragment of Her unbounded Spirit. 15 And all their multitude did 
not exhaust the number of the fragments of Her Spirit. 16 And to each was 
given the governance of some earthly thing.
Chapter Two
But one there was that had not been shaped by Her, and that was not Her 
daughter, nor a creature of spirit. But he was the space between the 
fragments and the nothingness that had been before things were. He had not 
energy nor delight, but only weight. He had not shape, but could only coil 
and uncoil himself about the things that were. He was the Snake, and was not 
silver, but black.
2 The Snake hated all the things that had become, and hated the separation 
of the waters and the sky. He hated light and energy, desiring all to be 
darkness and nothingness.
3 And when the world had lived a time in joy (though what that time was none 
can say, for then were neither days nor nights, nor moons to tell the 
month), the Snake came to the first of the daughters of the Mistress of All 
things, and coiled about her feet and spoke to her:
4 First of the daughters of creation, you have lived a time that cannot be 
counted, and have run for all that time in superfluity of energy, and have 
never known the sweetness of rest. Only embrace me and you shall have rest.
5 A long time she listened to the words of the Snake. She did not know what 
rest might be, but knew that it was not of Her. 6 And yet so enticingly did 
the Snake speak of the sweetness of rest, surpassing all delight, that at 
last she threw herself down and embraced him. 7 And because she was suffused 
with the delight of the Mistress of All Things, the Snake immediately took 
on shape. 8 And his shape was like to hers, but his body was filled with 
weight, and was barren, for being not a creature of spirit, he had not the 
power of creation.
9 And at once she became tired with all the outpouring of her energy, for 
her energy was no longer boundless. 10 And she desired to rest, but could 
not rest. And she spoke to the Snake, saying: Snake, what must I do now? 11 
And the Snake said: First daughter of creation, you must go to the Mistress 
of All Things and ask Her to make the world dark that you may rest. 12 And 
so she asked that of Her, and She darkened the world for a period that Her 
daughter might rest. And this was the first night.
13 But when the darkness came, the Snake called to the waters and said: 
Waters, it is dark once more as it was in the beginning, and now you may 
come together, and all will be nothingness again. 14 And the waters heard 
him and began to flood the earth, and many were the creatures destroyed in 
that flood.
15 But the Mistress of All Things saw this and descended to the earth, 
placing Her heel upon the head of the Snake and bruising him. 16 And She 
flung the waters into the air that they might fall harmlessly to the earth 
in small drops. And this was the first rain.
Chapter Three
And as the rain fell, the light came again, and a rainbow appeared in the 
sky, shedding its light upon all things. 2 And whereas all things had been 
silver, now they took on every hue and colour, and the world was beautiful; 
but it was not so beautiful as it had formerly been.
3 And She said to Her daughter: what you have done may not be undone, for 
you have acted with My Spirit, and henceforth shall time be divided into day 
and night that you may rest. 4 But I shall keep watch in the heavens by 
night, and there shall be silver light that there may never be complete 
darkness. 5 By this shall I govern the movements of the waters, that the 
earth may never again be flooded. And when you look upon this light, you 
will remember the time when all things were silver.
6 The Snake shall keep the form that you have given him, and you shall be 
set in governance over him; but remember that he will ever attempt to 
beguile and destroy you as he has this night.
7 I shall not live as close to you as before, but still I shall pour 
blessings upon you, and you may give Me gifts - not in every moment as 
before, for you have learned to tire, but My light shall give you signs in 
this matter.
8 And the Mistress of All Things withdrew Herself into the sky, until She 
seemed but a slender crescent of light. 9 And the first daughter of creation 
fell to her knees and wept. And these were the first tears shed upon the 
whole of the earth
il resto lo troverete su
http://groups.msn.com/Lux-Madriana
saluti.

 Inglese anni '70 (ora estinta)...
Non è estinta, ha solo cambiato nome.
Ora la comunità si chiama Aristasia, naturalmente con il suo bel sito
ufficiale
http://www.aristasia.co.uk
(è una specie di micronazione virtuale)
La parte religiosa è naturalmente in philosophy/spirituality
Qui c'è il racconto della creazione che hai postato
http://aristasia.co.uk/creation.html
Questa dovrebbe essere la "capa"
http://www.wildfireclub.co.uk/Marianne.html
-- 
www.quiriti.it

 
http://www.wildfireclub.co.uk/Marianne.html
uellá questa non la sapevo, grazie del link...dopo lo studieró con calma :-)
ciao

 (è una specie di micronazione virtuale)
In tema di nazioni virtuali cosigliio una visita a questo sito:
http://www.owk.cz/index.htm


nonono...Varg, noi parliamo di religone, NON materiale porneggiante, hai 
sbagliato ng.
sei OT.

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
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Come osi rivolgerti al sacro sito della divina Patricia I in questi termini? 
Blasfemo. 

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Mettiamola così: si dice che nell'antichità le sacerdotesse
esercitassero la prostituzione rituale, c'erano le orge sacre e tutta
la solita tiritera di religione legata al sesso.
Diciamo anche che viene un po' dificcile pensare ad una sacerdotessa
di Ishtar seduta su un simil vaso da notte con la faccia di uno sotto
e che una foto del genere, passato il primo istintivo "che schifo", fa
pensare a "Personal services" dei Monthy Phyton con tanti saluti
all'eventuale divina Patricia.
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Sercalunna
Non si puo' andare in giro cercando di costruire un 
mondo migliore per la gente.
Solo la gente può costruire un mondo migliore per se 
stessa, altrimenti e' solo una gabbia.(Terry Pratchett)
http://blog.pagantribes.org

 e che una foto del genere, passato il primo istintivo "che schifo",
Perché questo è un culto evoluto. Mica pizza e fichi.

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Lo so, i gusti non si discutono.
Ma francamente cosa ci trovi di piacevole uno a farsi cagare in faccia da
una donna seduta sulla tazza del cesso, no, non lo capisco.
(Comunque, pare fosse uno dei vizietti privati di Hitler)
-- 
www.quiriti.it

 (Comunque, pare fosse uno dei vizietti privati di Hitler)
Credo l' eccitazione venga dal potere che si ha/che si concede. Ad ogni modo 
io li trovo divertenti. 

 (...) Ad ogni modo io li trovo divertenti.
anche io li trovo divertenti,
ma nel senso che trovo divertente venire
a sapere che ci sia qualcuno che li fa,
non certo altro :-)
ciao,
Mauro

 skrev i en meddelelse 
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esatto, divertenti come vedere un film di Fantozzi..ma non di piú.
 LOL ,io nella vita aspiro a ben altro che farmi cagare in faccia.

 Perché questo è un culto evoluto. Mica pizza e fichi.
LOL

 LOL ,io nella vita aspiro a ben altro che farmi cagare in faccia.
Tu pensa che questi geni per farsi cagare in faccia (ma anche frustare a 
sangue, malmenare e tante altre amenità del genere) dall' imperatrice o 
dalle sue cortigiane pagano pure una cifra di soldi e non è nemmeno detto 
che vengano accettati... 


bhé questa non é proprio una nazione virtuale, ma diciamo siamo in 
tema...anche
se l'ispirazione monoteista é forte: 
www.womanthouartgod.com
ciao
e
buon anno a tutti.

 io li trovo divertenti. 
Uhm... temo che non verro' a cena da te.
Uriel