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Titolo: IBM 9401-P03 async console

Mi scusi, io non parlo italiano questo sta usando GoogleTranslate.
Rilevo che molti appassionati di retro italiani hanno 9.401 IBM-P03 
(Advanced Portable). Sono un collezionista di macchine AS/400 e di 
recente acquisito una P03
Sto avendo problemi di connessione alla console async. La macchina ha un 
2.609 IOA installato, ma manca l'opzione Token Ring o Ethernet.
Qualcuno ha qualche consiglio bene come ottenere il async console 
funziona? Ha bisogno di una particolare versione di Access/400 Client?
Non ho il funzionario Operations Console cavo, quindi non so 
l'assegnazione pinout per questo cavo.
Grazie per qualsiasi aiuto o idee, Nigel.
Mi scusi, io non parlo italiano questo sta usando GoogleTranslate.
Rilevo che molti appassionati di retro italiani hanno 9401 IBM-P03 
(Advanced Portable). Sono un collezionista di macchine AS/400 e di 
recente acquisito una P03.
Sto avendo problemi di connessione alla console async. La macchina ha un 
2609 IOA installato, ma manca l'opzione Token Ring o Ethernet.
Qualcuno ha qualche consiglio bene come ottenere il async console 
funziona? Ha bisogno di una particolare versione di Access/400 Client?
Non ho il funzionario Operations Console cavo, quindi non so 
l'assegnazione pinout per questo cavo, se qualcuno sa che possono essere 
utili.
Grazie per qualsiasi aiuto o idee, Nigel.
-------------- English version
Excuse me, I don't speak Italian this is using GoogleTranslate.
I note that many Italian retro enthusiasts have IBM 9401-P03 (Advanced 
Portable). I collect AS/400 machines and recently acquired a P03.
I am having trouble connecting to the async console. The machine has a 
2609 IOA installed, but is missing the Token Ring or Ethernet option.
Does anyone have any good tips about how to get the async console 
working? does it need a particular version of Client Access/400?
I do not have the official Operations Console Cable, so I do not know the 
pinout assignment for this cable, if anyone knows that would be helpful 
too.
thanks for any help or ideas, nigel.

 pinout assignment for this cable, if anyone knows that would be helpful 
The only cable and pinout I have is the one for synchronous communications
(p/n 22F0152). The console cable you need should be p/n 46G0450 or 46G0479
(6 and 2.5 meters respectively), but note that 97H7555 seem to be good too,
while the additional remote control panel cable should be p/n 97H7591 (if
required). Do you know anything else on this matter?
Bye,
G.

 this matter?
I have not been able to find any of these cables, and my attempts at 
making an equivalent are either failing or some other problem is 
interposed preventing the P03 from finding the console (it always shows 
the code A600 5001 on the operators panel).
If you have one of these cables and could describe the end-to-end 
connections please, that would be very helpful.
thanks,
nigel.

You've got the twinax interface...
in order, on the left side
scsi
serial serial (or whatever they are)
twinax
power
The twinax is a db15 connector that uses a short cable that either splits 
into 2 twinax plugs, or into a single one
For the single twinax plug
OOOOOOxO
 OOOOOxO
the x are the pins used (in the cable in my possession the other pins are 
simply absent)
Cannot help with the pinout on the twinax side...
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 My P03 does not have a twinax interface, only the 2609.
I beg to differ. :-P As far as I remember, every P03 has an integrated
Twinax controller and I agree with Alessandro when he wrotes that you've got
one. The Twinax controller port is the horizontal black 15-pin connector
just above the power inlet and below the two white vertical 9-pin connectors
(one for UPS and one for remote control panel, IIRC), on the left side.
Look here: 
http://i55.tinypic.com/2nbyhau.jpg
 (sorry for the poor quality).
Anyway, the 22F0152 cable has two DB25 connectors, one male and one female.
On the male side there are only pins numbered 2-8 15 17 18 20-25. On the
female side there are only 2-8 13 15 17 18 20-25 contacts. Every contact on
the female side is connected to its counterpart with the same number on the
male side, except for contact number 13 which is connected together with
contact number 7 to pin number 7 on the male side (male pin 13 is absent).
HTH,
G.

 female.
So I understand clearly, you use this cable, the 22F0152, to connect
your P03 to the serial port (COM1?) on a desktop personal computer (PC)
running Client Access/400 to control the P03?
Thank you for the pinout description.
If this cable is used for async console (therefore an Operations Console)
then your pinout confirms that the cable is what could be commonly called
a straight-through RS232 cable (TXD/RCV are not swapped or crossed-over).
However, the use of RS232 signals SCTS, TC, RC, LL etc seems unusual to me.

 running Client Access/400 to control the P03?
oops, I misread your previous posting, please ignore all the above and 
the later comments about RS232, you're talking about the synchronous 
cable setup with the 22F0152 which I am guessing does not apply to the 
2609 (since I understand that is for async only).

Unexpected...
I'm probably going to write something stupid, so I expect Gerry or someone 
else more knowledgeable on this specific machine to correct me (all in all 
the 2 I have are identical models) but...
is it possible that the one you have is a L01 , L02 , L03 or S01 ? And that 
someone removed the lan option "card" from slot B before it reached your 
hands ?
From :
http://www.retrocomputing.net/parts/ibm/9401_P03/docs/ibm.htm
the T03 variant expressely speaks of a twinaxial workstation controller, but 
the equivalent lan enabled model, L03, substitutes it with the lan....
So I'm simply musing if by pure chance yours is a Lan model without the lan 
module installed (and in this case, if the lan model expressely didn't 
include the twinaxial connector...)
9401 T03 Package (#108):
  a.. System Unit (including 6-foot universal line cord, three memory 
feature positions, and two internal DASD/tape positions) (GS Mark-compliant 
covers in Germany)
  b.. Processor with 8MB of main storage on the processor card.
  c.. MFIOP and Integrated Workstation Controller (Support for: Service 
Processor, integrated DASD, internal or external tape, twinaxial workstation 
controller with two ports and support for two communication lines)
  d.. 1.96GB Disk Unit
  e.. EIA 232/V.24 Two-Line Adapter including a 10-foot two-connector stub 
cable used to attach two communication lines of async, BSC, SDLC, or X.25 
protocol, one of which may be an ECS line.
  f.. Two EIA 232/V.24 20-foot enhanced cables
  g.. Specify one of the following alternate IPL media:
    a.. #5502 Alternate IPL Specify for QIC-3040
    b.. #5516 Alternate IPL Specify for QIC-1000 (For IBM US, No Longer 
Available as of August 31, 1998)
  h.. Preloaded software in National Language Version (NLV) where 
appropriate:
    a.. OS/400 V3R1
    b.. Client Access/400 (Except in Canada)
    c.. Query (Except in Canada)
9401 L03 Package (#0109):   (For IBM US, No Longer Available as of July 1, 
1997)
  a.. System Unit (including 6-foot universal line cord, three memory 
feature positions, and two internal DASD/tape positions) (GS Mark-Compliant 
Covers in Germany)
  b.. Processor with 8MB of main storage on the processor card.
  c.. MFIOP and Integrated LAN Controller (Support for: Service Processor, 
integrated DASD, internal or external tape, LAN and support for one 
communication line)
  d.. Specify one of the following LAN adapters:
    a.. #9174 - Ethernet IOA (For IBM US, No Longer Available as of July 1, 
1997)
    b.. #9175 - Token-Ring IOA (For IBM US, No Longer Available as of July 
1, 1997)
  e.. 1.96GB Disk Unit
  f.. EIA 232/V.24 Two-Line Adapter
This includes an adapter and a 10-foot two-connector stub cable used to 
attach one ECS communication line using SDLC-only protocol and a second line 
for the client access console.
  a.. EIA 232/V.24 20-foot enhanced cable
  b.. EIA 232/V.24 6-m client access console cable
  c.. Specify one of the following alternate IPL media:
    a.. #5502 Alternate IPL Specify for QIC-3040
    b.. #5516 Alternate IPL Specify for QIC-1000 (For IBM US, No Longer 
Available as of August 31, 1998)
  d.. Preloaded software in National Language Version (NLV) where 
appropriate
    a.. OS/400 V3R1
    b.. Client Access/400 (Except in Canada)
    c.. Query (Except in Canada)
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 didn't include the twinaxial connector...)
Yes, I would say your theory is the most likely explanation. 
I would hope this does not prevent it from completing an IPL, provided it 
can find the async console when it expects to.

 just connect to somewhere on the mainboard.
I wouldn't be so sure: IIRC that system is quite tightly packed inside, so
maybe there is just a flat cable that goes somewhere. Maybe on your MFIOP
card there is no receiving connector but just the place where it would have
been soldered had your model been the one with the Twinax option...?
Bye,
G.

 hands ?
That's a good point. Indeed the upper IOA slot is empty but has no metallic
cover to fill the hole as usual in that case... But where has the card gone?
G. :-)

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp0042.pdf
page 8, it's expressely indicated that the maximum number of twinaxial 
connections for the lan models and the server model, is 0. I suppose that 
this data is referred to a not modified machine, since it's easy (or better, 
it was easy) to buy a lan module for a token ring model.
I've not paid attention inside the parts list if a token ring module exists 
too, to try to add the missing functionality to the lan models.
Page 9
#0059 Transition Data Link
Offers a twinaxial cable data path between IBM Systems. Available on T01, 
T02, T03, T11, and T12 packages
only.
This I suppose is the adapter cable that's connected to the db15.
I'm also half sure that somewhere I've read about the 2609 and that the 
cable splits in 2, one going to the console... the other to the brick, in 
relation to a 9401 p03 L0x (note the half sure.. I've not managed to get 
hold again of the reference)
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The required pinout we discovered for the P03 serial Operations Console 
cable is as follows:
 
  DB9      DB25
    1  --   20
    2  --    2
    3  --    3
    4  --    6
    5  -- 1,7,10
    6  --   20
    7  --    5
    8  --    4
    9  -- not connected
 
DB9 is female, DB25 is male
 
There are some pictures of the running system here:
 
http://goo.gl/M2Iw7
 
 
Thanks to Gerry and Mazzini for their helpful responses.