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Titolo: Andrea Bargnani

Il secondo non americano preso alla prima scelta del draft NBA (il primo  
fu Yao Ming).
Primo europeo nella storia scelto alla prima scelta del draft NBA.
Non uno zingaro.
Non un russo.
ITALIANO
LOL
:D

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AHHAHAHAHAHA, ma ti prego, qualcuno vada ORA qui: 
http://espn.go.com/

 AHHAHAHAHAHA, ma ti prego, qualcuno vada ORA qui: 
http://espn.go.com/
Sarà che sono scemo ma non ho capito (a parte forse una confusione tra
Andrea e Alessandro). :)
ag

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Orgoglio nazionalista. :*
(GIUVENTUUUUUSSSS!!! :****)
--
Se ti comporti da demente, ti si tratta da demente. Anche perché, altrimenti, non
hai mai la possibilità di capire che ci sei, demente.

 (GIUVENTUUUUUSSSS!!! :****)
Hahahaha, non proprio, ma fa lo stesso.

 Andrea e Alessandro). :)
HAahhaah, mi faceva troppo ridere il titolone.
:)

 Hahahaha, non proprio, ma fa lo stesso.
HAHAHA, ma l'hai sentita l'intervista sulla 
gazza.it
? 

 HAHAHA, ma l'hai sentita l'intervista sulla 
gazza.it
?
ROTFL, non ancora, magari dopo vado.

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http://www.gazzetta.it/Sport_Vari/Altri_Sport/BasketNBA/Primo_Piano/2006/06_Giugno/28/draft.shtml
Colonna a destra. 

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Why Bargnani isn't Skita or Darko
By John Hollinger
ESPN Insider
I can hear the whispers now.
"Skita … Darko … Bargnani."
All three are European. All three had scouts salivating because of
their advanced ability to shoot for a big man. All three barely
showcased their game in front of American fans, and American writers
for that matter. And in the minds of some, all three are going to go
down as historic draft busts.
The first two are certain -- Nikoloz Tskitishvili's career barely has
a pulse and Darko Milicic, regardless of what he does from here on
out, always will be the guy who Detroit took ahead of Carmelo Anthony
and Dwyane Wade.
But Andrea Bargnani, the player the Toronto Raptors selected with the
top overall pick in the 2006 NBA draft, going to be another bust? I
don't think so. There are a few important differences between Bargnani
and the other two guys that not enough people have caught onto, and
that's why I expect his career trajectory to be very different:
 
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(io sì)
1. He actually plays.
Skita and Darko were both workout gods who suddenly turned clueless when  
the ball went up. However, they were able to mask that weakness because  
neither of them ever saw the floor for their European teams. Tskitishvili  
was on a loaded Italian team and played so rarely that scouts tried to  
sneak into his team's practices, while Milicic was on a veteran-dominated  
Serbian team and, though he played, didn't see the ball much.
Scouts and GMs let their imaginations run wild based on what they saw in  
the workouts, without any game tape to bring them back to reality. That's  
not the case for Bargnani -- he played major minutes for Italian  
powerhouse Benetton Treviso, starting with an 18-point effort against the  
Raptors in an exhibition game last October.
(In retrospect, now that Bargnani saw so much action it should have been a  
red flag that Darko and Skita weren't playing. At the time we blamed the  
European system, but perhaps they just knew things we didn't.)
And because Bargnani has played often, we've seen his warts too. Unlike  
the Nuggets with Tskitishvili and the Pistons with Milicic, the Raptors  
are coming into this one with eyes wide open.
2. He's already good.
Various outlets around the country have described Bargnani as putting up  
mediocre numbers in Europe. This is a classic example of the failure to  
understand the difference between per-game and per-minute averages.  
Per-game, Bargnani's stats are nothing special -- his Euroleague numbers  
of 10.9 points and 4.1 rebounds don't exactly scream out future All-Star.
But Bargnani played only 21.2 minutes per game -- what kind of numbers  
could we reasonably expect in that amount of playing time? Besides,  
Euroleague games are lower scoring to begin with -- they're eight minutes  
shorter and much slower-paced -- so it's extremely difficult for a player  
to average 20 points a game. In fact, nobody did it this year. The leading  
scorer in Euroleague play, former Maryland star Drew Nicholas, averaged  
18.6.
So let's take Bargnani's numbers and compare them to those of his peers.  
He averaged 10.9 points in 21.2 minutes per game, or about 20.7 points per  
40 minutes. Adjusting for the fact that his team played a slightly slower  
pace than the Euroleague average, that becomes 21.1. And of the 170  
players to play at least 250 minutes in the Euroleague this season, only  
12 averaged as many as 21.1 pace-adjusted points per 40 minutes.
3. There's a lot less risk than you think.
Drafting a European seems scary and unpredictable to folks over here,  
because we've seen so little of the guys in game action. Additionally, we  
tend to think of the NCAA as the next-best level of basketball beyond the  
NBA, and the European leagues as a confusing muddle of bearded guys with  
no vowels in their names who smoke cigarettes at halftime. So we tend to  
think of college guys as "safer."
But actually, the opposite is true. Drafting a European who got major  
playing time in one of the top leagues is much safer than taking an NCAA  
player, because he's playing a game that's much closer to the NBA stylel.
That's true on two levels -- first, the playing style, because it's grown  
men in a professional setting whose rules are more similar to the NBA's  
than colleges'. Second, it's closer in terms of the quality of  
competition. Sorry to rain on your parade, Mr. Packer, but the European  
leagues surpassed the NCAA a long time ago.
Thus, the results from European play are vastly more predictable than the  
NCAA's. I know that to be true because for the past few seasons I've been  
using "translated" stats from the Euroleague -- the top level of European  
basketball -- to assess how much help a player might be in the NBA, and  
it's proven extremely reliable. As long as the player gets a reasonable  
amount of minutes at the Euroleague level, we can say with a great deal of  
accuracy how he'd fare in the NBA.
Take last year's most prominent Euroleague import, Pacers point guard  
Sarunas Jasikevicius. His Euro stats from 2004-2005 translated into 14.5  
points per 40 minutes, 39.3 percent shooting, and a 12.34 Player  
Efficiency Rating (PER). His actual results? 14.3 points per 40 minutes,  
39.6 percent shooting, and a 12.91 PER. While not every translation hits  
the bull's-eye that accurately -- guys get stronger, better, hurt, or fat  
-- it's a pretty effective means for projecting European players'  
effectiveness.
Which brings us to Mr. Bargnani. His translated numbers from the  
Euroleague last season are solid, if not spectacular: 15.8 points and 9.3  
rebounds per 40 minutes, 44.7 percent shooting, and a 14.25 PER.  
Considering the fact that he's 20 years old, and few 20-year-olds are able  
to play at that high a level, he's certainly among the best prospects in  
basketball.
That doesn't mean he'll be as good as Dwight Howard or LeBron James, to  
compare to two recent No. 1 picks, but he's at least as good as Andrew  
Bogut and a heck of a lot better than Kwame Brown.
So get those thoughts of Skita and Darko out of your mind. Bargnani is an  
established pro who already has performed well in a competitive league,  
And although he's perceived as a risky choice, the translated European  
stats tell us he's about as safe a pick as there is -- a 20-year-old  
7-footer who, even if he doesn't improve a lick, will be a productive NBA  
player. In a weak draft with few sure things, you could do much worse.

(io sě)
(ci contavo)
(mi sa che prossima NBA la seguirň un pochino)
(non conosco Bargnani)

 (non conosco Bargnani)
Da quel che ho visto (non seguo tantissimo il basket europeo) mi sembra un  
ottimo giocatore capace di farsi valere fin da subito, se gli viene dato  
spazio. Chiaro, la prima scelta deve pure dimostrare di meritarsela  
crescendo negli anni. Però di anni ne ha 21 ed è già un signor giocatore,  
che quest'anno era titolare nella Treviso che ha giocato l'Eurolega e ha  
vinto lo scudetto. Nowitzki, per dire, quando l'hanno draftato (alla nona  
scelta) aveva vent'anni e giocava nella serie b tedesca (ovviamente già  
mostrando un potenziale notevole). Nell'NBA ci ha messo due anni a  
diventare un giocatore importante e negli ultimi due anni sembra aver  
raggiunto la piena maturità (poi è sempre complicato capire quanto in  
questo conti la squadra attorno). Insomma, vediamo, con calma.
:)
P.S.
Fra lui, Mancinelli, Gigli, Datome e altri, la nazionale italiana "di  
nuova generazione" rischia di diventare molto più forte rispetto anche  
alle ultime due (che comunque hanno vinto un oro e un bronzo agli europei  
e un argento alle olimpiadi). Anche se non mi sembra ci sia una "cosa"  
tipo Pozzecco, all'orizzonte.

tipo Pozzecco, all'orizzonte.
Il che non e' necessariamente un male.
--
"Le altre parti del mondo hanno le scimmie; l'Europa ha i francesi. La cosa si compensa."  
Arthur Schopenhauer, "L'Arte di Insultare"
..
Su Honda CBF 600 e Kymco People S 200

 Il che non e' necessariamente un male.
Insomma, un play che ti cambia ritmo alla partita, sa inventare dal nulla,  
sa fare cose un po' meno "inquadrate" di Bulleri, io lo vorrei sempre, in  
nazionale. Chiaro, testa matta e difesa zero, ma per esempio nel 2004 è  
stato fondamentale sia contro la Lituania (nel bene) che contro  
l'Argentina (nel male).

tipo Pozzecco, all'orizzonte.
eh
pozzecco è giusto definirlo "cosa"

 pozzecco è giusto definirlo "cosa"
:D

:D
Certo!
Il grande sogno americano è proprio questo.
Non devi avere Moggi come procuratore!
Il Baddo
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"E' un mondo difficile!"
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toronto raptors
ma nell'nba giocano anche le squadre canadesi?
hanno scelto le migliori e le hanno inserite nel campionato americano?
-- 
He was down two sets and a break in the third set, down and almost  
completely out, but Andre Agassi kept swinging.

 hanno scelto le migliori e le hanno inserite nel campionato americano?
AHahahahhaah!
No.

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l'Argentina (nel male).
Il problema e' che se in stato di grazia riesce a fare tutto (anche a
difendere, fidati). ma se e' in giornata "cagacazzo" sono solo amari.
Il problema e' che lo scopri dopo che l'hai messo se e' "gioco da solo
e vinco" oppure "gioco da solo e vinco ma in realta' sono lammerda".
I Bulleri non saranno geniali ma servono a far quadrare la squadra: ad
attaccare, a difendere, a dettare il ritmo.
BTW se Recalcati non fa cazzate nelle convocazioni potremmo fare
ottime cose ai mondiali. IMHO, se giochiamo cazzuti, anche battere gli
USA.
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 USA.
Sottoscrivo.

Sottoscrivo.
La squadra USA ha grandissime individualita' ma fara' la tipica
cazzata di giocare come un assieme di individualita' invece che come
squadra.
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 squadra.
Non so, vedremo.
A guardare i nomi coinvolti (e non parlo solo dei giocatori, ma anche  
dello staff), potrebbe venirne fuori qualcosa di buono.

dello staff), potrebbe venirne fuori qualcosa di buono.
L'unica e' aspettare i mondiali :)
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