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Gli errori di LotR su sito segnalato da giopeppolo.
 In Moria, Pippin causes a body to fall down a hole, and a chain is
pulled down too. When it stretches out, a bucket (or something),
                       attached to the chain, falls down too. The only
problem is that the chain isn't fully stretched out when the bucket
falls, so why did it fall?  
                                As Gandalf is entering the village,
you can clearly see his grey scarf tied around the lantern on his cart
in some scenes, while in others,
                       the scarf is not there. The scenes switch back
and forth several times.  
                                When Boromir slumps down to his knees
after being shot by the Orcs, his horn is mysteriously cut in two
pieces. The cleaving of the
                       Horn of Gondor is an epic point from the book
that obviously have been lost in the cutting of the film -- almost.  
                                When the Fellowship meets in
Rivendell, and the Dwarf trys to break the ring with his axe, the axe
breaks into many pieces on the
                       platform upon which the ring is laid. At first,
the pieces are there in the closeup view. When the camera pans back
for a long range view of the
                       Fellowship, the pieces of the axe on the
platform are gone. In the following closeup, the pieces magically
re-appear.  
                                When the orc kills Boromir, he shoots
him twice, and you can clearly see the hole for the third arrow
between first ones, and only then the
                       third arrow appears.  
                                When Arwen and Aragorn are talking on
the bridge, you see Arwen's lips moving while Aragorn is speaking.  
                                In the scene where Galadriel invites
Frodo to look into the mirror and he is blown back from seeing Sauron,
when the camera is on his
                       face (after falling) you notice that the
contact lense from his right eye has fallen out.  
                                After the Hobbits go through the gate
at Bree it is raining heavily, however there are no raindrop splashes
in the puddles further up the
                       road.  
                                When the fellowship are sailing down
the river (through the two statues) the foot of the left statue looks
as if it's at the same level as the
                       water. Then in the next scene (camera angle
from above) the foot is not at water level. It appears to be on a high
rock.  
                         In the scene where Sam and Frodo are in the
field with the scarecrow, you can plainly see a car cruising past in
the distance, from right to left. 
 
                         When the fellowship is in the caves crossing
the pits, it is clear when the camera swings round that the actors are
replaced with computer
                       generated models - the Gandalf model has his
hat on, and when it swtiches to actors he doesn't, then back to
models, the hat is back.  
                         As Boromir and Aragorn talk right before
Boromir dies, you can see Boromir's right hand gripping Aragorn's left
shoulder in the shot from behind
                       Aragorn's right shoulder, but when the camera
veiw changes to Boromir's perspective, looking up at Aragorn, his hand
is not there. The scene goes
                       back and forth between these two views several
times.  
                         When Frodo stops rolling down the snow
covered hill, just before the shot of Boromir picking up the ring, the
place where Frodo's fake hobbit foot
                       and real leg meet is visible (it's usually
covered by his trousers).  
                         After the battle with the cave troll, Aragorn
rushes over to injured Frodo and brushes past some big rocks which
wobble, showing that they are
                       clearly lightweight and not real.  
                         When the fellowship is in Moria, right before
the Balrog comes, they are surrounded by orcs. They all have their
swords drawn, and Frodo's is not
                       glowing blue even though they are surrounded by
orcs. Some people have said they're goblins, but given that Frodo's
sword was glowing during the
                       first attack, it should be glowing later too.  
                         Legolas shoots the cave troll in the head
with the arrow and it is clearly seen (you can't miss it), but when
the troll chases frodo around the pillar,
                       there is no arrow, and it doesn't show it until
his end when Legolas shoots him in the neck, and the picture of the
troll is small but you can see the
                       head shot arrow very clearly.  
                         When Frodo awakes in the bed in Rivendell,
Frodo's shirt is open and the sheet low down on the bed in the first
shot, and then his shirt's closed
                       and the sheet pulled substantially higher in
the next shot.  
                         When the hobbits are sitting at the table in
the Prancing Pony in Bree, Merry comes back with a pint. Pippin leaves
to get one too. Then we see
                       Sam mention to Frodo that a man is looking at
them, across the table sits Pippin and no Merry.  
                         When Gandalf and Saruman are talking in
Ortanc, we can see a black strap around Gandalf's fingers on the hand
holding his staff. In some shots
                       it's around different fingers, in others it's
disappeared completely.  
                         When they are in front of the 2 big statues,
the statues raise their left arms. When they pass them and you can see
them from behind, one statue
                       has raises its left arm and the other its right
arm.  
                         Director Peter Jackson makes a cameo as the
first menacing figure the hobbits run into in Bree.  
                         At the begining of the movie, when Bilbo
dissapears to leave, Gandalf and Bilbo are talking outside, they leave
the door open, then Bilbo leaves.
                       Then, in the next scene, you see Gandaf opening
the door when it wasn't closed.  
                         At the scene where Gimli and Aragorn fends
off the orcs, right after Boromir has died, Gimli`s beard changes from
two to one plaits in a matter of
                       seconds.  
                         In the scene where the fellowship of the ring
have just arrived in their boats past the two massive statue things,
Sam sits down. He is in the
                       background of the main shots and at one point
he is deeply asleep, then suddenly he is halfway through cleaning his
sword, then he's deeply asleep
                       again.  
                         A pictoral cameo: The two portraits in oval
frames hanging above the fireplace in Bag End are of Peter Jackson and
Phillipa Boyens.  
                         When Arwen enters the water after being
chased by the Ringwraiths, as she turns the horse, you can clearly see
the fake hobbit (representing an
                       injured Frodo), bounce up and down like a
rubber band.  
                         Before the passage of Carhadras, Boromir is
fencing with Merry and Pippin. When they tackle him you can see
Merry's face and it's obviously a
                       dwarf stand-in for the actor.  
                         When Frodo is recovering in Rivendell from
the Ringwraith dagger he is first seen lying in the bed with a chain
necklace clearly visible (to which
                       the ring is attached) - in following scenes the
necklace is sometimes there - sometimes not.  
                         Most of the time the hobbits are barefoot,
but when Frodo and Sam are first walking through the fields, Frodo's
leg come above long-grass level
                       and his shoe is clearly visible.  
                         Near the end when Frodo has tears running
down his face. In the first shot the tear on his right side is short
and the left side tear is down to his
                       chin. in the next shot they are reversed. Some
people have said it's just that one tear lengthened and a new one
started, but look at the right-hand
                       one (the longer one in the first shot). If
there was a new tear, we'd still see the damp path of the first one,
but it's rolling down a dry cheek. 
 
                         When Boromir goes to the door of Balin's Tomb
in the mines you can see Aragorn in the background putting his torch
on the ground, then when it
                       switches to Aragorn and the others he puts the
torch down again.  
                         When Bilbo flees from the party, turned
invisible by the Ring, as he opens the door to Bag End we see out
through the door and the camera shoots
                       off against a black drape. In subsequent shots
through the door at night moonlight scenery has been added.  
                         When Frodo is lying on the floor after Arwen
defeats the Nazgul you can see a pimple under the right side of his
mouth. The same pimple can be
                       seen when the fellowship aproaches the Pillar
of the Kings on the Emyn Muil; in the rest of the movie there is no
pimple.  
                         When Boromir walks towards Merry and Pippin
to rescue them in a brief shot his elven-cloak is open. In the next
shot the cloak is perfectly sealed
                       with the broach again.  
                         At the end of the movie, when Frodo takes the
boat to continue on his own. Sam runs into the water to follow Frodo
as he promised Gandalf. When
                       Sam is about half way to the boat, he goes
under water because he can not swim. He almost reaches the bottom of
the flood, and does not swim up
                       at any time. Suddenly, Frodo takes his hand and
pulls him into the boat, but Frodo has not moved an inch and Sam did
not swim to the surface. 
 
                         When they are all walking up the snowy
mountain the camera starts off with a larger view and then goes to a
closer view of the people. In the larger
                       view there are no footprints but in the smaller
view there are.  
                         In the beginning, Gandalf's pipe keeps
mysteriously vanishing from each scene, when he is guiding the cart
with Frodo.  
                         When Sam tells Frodo that if he take another
step, he will be farther away from home than ever before, he stands
next to a scarecrow. In the next
                       scene, we see both Sam and Frodo, and Sam has
passed the scarecrow by several metres. Another zoom at Sam, and he
stands by the Scarecrow
                       again.  
                         When the hobbits rush to get off the road at
Frodo's demand, the space to both sides of the tree in the
upper-right-hand side of the screen is clear.
                       Seconds later, the Rider appears on the left
side of the tree, having never appeared on the right side of the tree.
There doesn't seem to be any bend
                       in the road that could explain this sudden
appearance...  
                         In the credits, the word "Technical" is
spelled "Technicial" in one instance (it's on the right side,
reasonably early on, but they move so fast it's hard
                       to say what it was for).  
                         In the second elf village, when Frodo wakes
up in the middle of the night, you first see the elven princes walk
down a small stairs and there is a elf
                       girl there with something in her hands (dish of
water or something). She doesn't move an inch, not even when only her
feet are visible in the top left
                       corner of the screen. But when Frodo, in the
next shot, walks down the same stairs, she's gone. He does walk past a
statue close to where the girl
                       stood before, but the statue might have been
there before. No matter, the girl is gone anyway.  
                         When Bilbo and Gandalf are talking in the
kitchen of Bilbo's house, watch Bilbo. He pours some tea into a cup,
and then the very next scene, he is
                       drinking from a cup, all in a split second as
the conversation continues.  
                         As the fellowship travels down the Anduin
River they paddle their boats over different kinds of water. Sometimes
it is rather clear and dark green,
                       sometimes it is a silty grayblue and definately
glacier fed, then it is clear again. The Anduin, like any other long
river, might flow through different types
                       of countryside but hardly ever the water
changes so completely and randomly.  
                         On top of the mountain ridge (after Boromir
gives the dropped ring back to Frodo) there is a conversation between
Gandalf and Strider. As the
                       camera flicks back and forth between Gandalf
and Strider, Gandalf is in sunlight but Strider is in shadow - despite
the two only being about 5 metres
                       apart.  
                    Misconceptions
                         When Gandalf first approaches the village on
the cart, a water-powered mill can be seen slowly turning in an
anti-clockwise direction. The water in
                       the foreground stream appears to be travelling
from right to left which would make the mill turn in a clockwise
direction. However, in the very next
                       scene (shot looking across the bridge at the
same mill) the water is clearly stationary because the leaves on the
surface of the stream are not
                       moving. So either the mill is turning the wrong
way or it should not be moving at all. [If you look closesly at the
Mill house, you can see a water sluce
                       over the top of the wheel. It is the water from
the sluce which is turning the wheel, not the water in the river. In
fact the wheel doesn't even touch the
                       river.]
                         When Hugo Weaving is urging that guy to
destroy the ring, at one angle his cape is not blowing in the wind; at
a different angle his cape is blowing
                       wildly. [His cape blows up with the air and
then settles by the time the shot cuts.]
                         When Borimir is about to die and Strider is
running towards him, one of the supposedly dead Orcs lifts his head to
watch Strider run by and then
                       promptly lays his head down again. [Debatable -
looks more like he's just wounded but has no energy to get up and
continue the fight.]
                         When Gandalf battles the evil wizard,
Gandalf's staff is taken from him and he is therefore defeated.
Gandalf is placed atop a large column until
                       rescued by the giant bird. Once united with
Frodo again, however, Gandalf's staff is by his side. [Gandalf doesn't
regain his staff, he has two different
                       staffs. The branches on the tip of the first
one are almost straight and there's a spot for his pipe to fit. On the
second one the branches on the tip are
                       bent to one side. Both can be seen in
pre-release pictures.]
                         When Gimli the Dwarf tries to smash the ring
to pieces at the council of Elrond his axe breaks into small pieces
instead. In a shot shortly after,
                       when the fellowship is decided, he promises his
axe and his company to the fellowship, but this time the axe is
completely whole. [He does not grab
                       his own axe, he grabs the axe of the dwarf next
to him.]
                         When the orcs charge down the mountain,
Legolas shoots his arrows at them. At one point, he has three left and
doesn't fire any more, but in the
                       shot by the lake, he has about 20, which then
change colour to a vibrant green. [In the book, Legolas always
collects the orc's arrows to use. So it's
                       likely that they use green arrows and he picked
them up after the fighting was over.]
                         When Frodo is recovering in Rivendell he goes
out onto a balcony, places his hand on the railing and looks out over
the city. However, the railing
                       for Frodo is waist high. Seeing as how he is a
3-foot Hobbit in a city of human-sized elves, the railing should be
over his head. [He's in Bilbo's room,
                       so everything will be Hobbit sized].
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Più che altro per gli stronzi.

Piů che altro per gli stronzi.
anche.
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"un programmatore di giochi per Commodore 64 e Spectrum", certo, e la Barbie
č un manufatto di plastica con dei peli chiari su di un lato
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 Gli errori di LotR su sito segnalato da giopeppolo.
Se è 
www.movie-mistakes.com
 l'ho segnalato anch'io. :-p
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~ xAm ~
"If I seem superhuman I have been misunderstood"

Se è 
www.movie-mistakes.com
 l'ho segnalato anch'io. :-p
il libro non li fa questi errori?
non ci sono incongruenze, cose strane?
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La squadra dell'amore è solo Rumicalcio F.C.

Se č 
www.movie-mistakes.com
 l'ho segnalato anch'io. :-p
segnalato da giopeppolo e dal rompiballe. :p
--
"un programmatore di giochi per Commodore 64 e Spectrum", certo, e la Barbie
č un manufatto di plastica con dei peli chiari su di un lato
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non ci sono incongruenze, cose strane?
tu presumi due cose:
-che io abbia letto tutto quello che ho cutpastato.
e, da buon cieddista, mi son guardato bene dal farlo.
-che io mi ricordi ogni particolare di un libro che lessi l'ultima
volta 20 anni fa circa (perň lo sto' rileggendo... ma con
mooooooooooooooooolta calma :D).
mi ricordo lo sviluppo generale della storia, oltre non riesco ad
andare.
--
"un programmatore di giochi per Commodore 64 e Spectrum", certo, e la Barbie
č un manufatto di plastica con dei peli chiari su di un lato
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andare.
Toma, rispondevo a Malabotta, che da qualche post derido per il suo
legame maniacale con le Sacre Scritture :)
Le consiglio un lungo periodo di vacanza in un luogo in cui non
esistono PC
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La squadra dell'amore č solo Rumicalcio F.C.

esistono PC
non ne ho ancora trovati, di posti cosě. :(((
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 non ci sono incongruenze, cose strane?
Beh, questi errori in particolare no, e tutto sommato credo che non ce ne
siano proprio. Il problema č che in un libro cosě vasto non č facile
controllare tutto.
Ah, adesso mi vengono in mente 2 cose:
1) nelle appendici in effetti ci sono alcune discrepanze sulle date di
morte/partenza dalla Terra di Mezzo dei componenti della compagnia;
2) vi č una incongruenza sul percorso fatto da Hobbiville a Gran Burrone tra
Lo Hobbit e Il Signore degli Anelli (beh, questo non č propio in LOTR, ma
tant'č).
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 legame maniacale con le Sacre Scritture :)
Eh, in questo periodo è propio maniacale. Ma passerà....
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 segnalato da giopeppolo e dal rompiballe. :p
Cosě va meglio.
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cazzo hai ragione tu!
infatti sto partendo per le vacanze, e il PC non lo vedrò per ben 10
giorni!
scus
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La squadra dell'amore è solo Rumicalcio F.C.

Cosě va meglio.
felice d'averti fatto felice.
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scus
de nada.
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 scus
e la mia squadra del fantacalcio !?!
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Uellah !
Oliver "Holly" Statua
holly...@libero.it
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e la mia squadra del fantacalcio !?!
Eravamo mica d'accordo che l'avrei curata io?

 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:3c5eb24e...@news.cis.dfn.de...
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si, ma devi vincere però
perchè a perdere ci penso già io !
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 anche.
e soprattutto

perchè a perdere ci penso già io !
Tranquillo :)
Voglio un ingaggio di 50 euro a partita.
In pratica, mi devi 50 euro.


ma no, perché soparvvalutarli?
--
"un programmatore di giochi per Commodore 64 e Spectrum", certo, e la Barbie
è un manufatto di plastica con dei peli chiari su di un lato
(Quedex)
--
Fondatore "Gilda dei non 
leggitori di subject"
--
Hobbit name: Meriadoc Toadfoot