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Titolo: [ACW]  about Lincon

Risulta che il Lincoln durante la guerra civile promulgò alcune leggi che 
ponevano limitazioni alla libertà e diritti dei cittadini. Di che cosa si 
trattava?
E' vero che Lincoln non ruppe mai i legami commerciali con la Confederazione 
fino a quando Grant lo mise alle strette per la vittoria decisiva della 
guerra?

 vittoria decisiva della guerra?
Assolutamente no.
Dove hai trovato scritta questa perla ?
-- 
Davide
"Solo se la vostra visione va oltre quella del vostro maestro,
siete adatti per ricevere e tramandare la trasmissione."
(Massima Zen)


Era sul documentario di History Channel che parlava dell'assassinio di 
"Honest Abe"..... 

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Domandina veloce veloce, quando gli Y. aggiunsero alla lista  delle merci
di contrabbando i medicinali?
Artiglieria, grazie a Davide, ho capito parecchie cosucce sull'artiglieria
del periodo.
Sul sito ho letto che furono oltre 300 i tipi di artiglieria utilizzati.
Per quanto rigurda la light artillery, i pezzi in uso alle batterie
durante le battaglie tra le armate erano vari perchè effettivamente
necessitavano a seconda delle esigenze di un pezzo di artiglieria diverso
o perchè usavano tutto quello che facesse boom.
In poche parole per esempio gli Unionisti usavano i Parrot da 10libbre e i
Napoleone da 12, perchè non avevano abbastanza pezzi del cannone migliore
o perchè in alcune situazioni il pezzo rigato era migliore di quello
liscio?
Usando 1 solo pezzo di artiglieria avrebbero alleggerito e non di poco il
problema logistico.
Altra domandina, in tutti i libri che ho letto (pochi) e i siti che ho
trovato su internet che trattano l'organica dei reparti, si fà sempre e
solo riferimento ai reparti combattenti credo.
Es. Army od Potomac 100.000 uomini, con 300 cannoni, Divisione X 5000,
Divisione Y 5500 etc...
Ma la consistenza effettiva dell'armata qual'era?
Una divisione contava 5000 uomini su 2 brigate, ma non c'erano anche
reparti del genio, infermieri, ospedali, reparti della sussistenza
etc..etc... O erano raggruppati a livello di brigata/divisione per
specialità direttamente sotto il controllo del comandante d'armata?
Ultimissima cosa, il carreggio, tutto il materiale dalle tende, alle
munizioni, era trasportato su carrette e carri, usavano tutto quello che
gli capitava a tiro? Numero di carri per un'armata etc..? Lunghezza del
treno in marcia?
Grazie e buon natale a tutti
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 treno in marcia?
Negli OR sono riportati alcuni ordini confederati dell'inverno 1864-65
con il treno MASSIMO per ogni livello. Chiaramente sono organici ridotti
all'osso, i sudisti avevano le pezze sul didietro a questa data, i nordisti
avrebbero avuto enne volte più roba, ma rende l'idea:
HDQRS. DEPT. OF S.C., GA., AND FLA.,
Charleston, S.C., December 30, 1864.
I. The allowance of field transportation for the troops in this department
will be as follows:
1. Division headquarters: For general and all staff officers,
two four-horse wagons for baggage,
one four-horse wagon for forage,
one four-horse forge,
one two-horse ambulance.
2. Brigade transportation: For general and staff officers at brigade
headquarters,
one four-horse wagon for baggage, &c.,
one two-horse ambulance;
brigade forage, one four-horse wagon;
brigade, one four-horse forge;
commissary scales and implements for butchering for brigade,
one four-horse wagon;
field, staff, and company officers of each regiment, one four-horse wagon;
cooking utensils for every 300 men, one four-horse wagon;
every 300 men, one two-horse ambulance;
brigade medical supplies, one four-horse wagon;
brigade intrenching tools, one four-horse wagon.
3. To each brigade there will be attached an ordnance train of four-horse
wagons sufficient to carry sixty extra rounds of ammunition per man, each
wagon carrying fifteen boxes of ammunition. This ordnance train will be in
the immediate charge of the brigade ordnance officer, and all the brigade
trains of each division in charge of the division ordnance officer.
4. Battalion of light artillery: Battalion headquarters,
one two-horse wagon;
each battalion, one four-horse forge;
officers and men of each battery of light artillery, one four-horse wagon;
forage for each battery, two four-horse wagons;
extra ammunition for battery, one four-horse wagon;
battalion medical supplies, one two-horse wagon;
each battery, one two-horse ambulance.
II. This order shall apply to the cavalry of this department, with the
following modification:
Two four-horse wagons will be allowed to every 100 effective men
for forage.
III. The load of a four-horse wagon will not exceed 1,700 pounds.
IV. All transportation and ambulances in excess of the above allowance
will be at once turned in to the chief quartermaster. Requisitions will be
made to supply deficiencies.
By order of Lieutenant-General Hardee:
HEADQUARTERS CAVALRY CORPS,
Hardeeville, S.C., December 30, 1864.
I. Until further orders the following will be the allowance of
transportation of this corps:
For corps headquarters:
For baggage, two four-horse wagons;
quartermaster and commissary of subsistence stores,
 two four-horse wagons;
forage, one four-horse wagon;
forge, one four-horse wagon;
medical supplies, one four-horse wagon;
ambulance, one two-horse wagon.
Division headquarters:
Baggage, one four-horse wagon;
quartermaster and commissary of subsistence stores,
 one four-horse wagon;
forage, one four-horse wagon;
transportation for three days' rations for every 600 men,
 one six-horse wagon;
medical supplies, one two-horse wagon.
Brigade headquarters:
Baggage, one four-horse wagon;
quartermaster and commissary of subsistence stores,
 one four-horse wagon;
medical supplies, one two-horse wagon;
forage, one four-horse wagon;
ordnance for each 400 muskets, one four-horse wagon.
Regiments:
Officers' baggage, including desks, money boxes, and medical
supplies, one four-horse wagon;
each 400 men present for duty for cooking utensils,
 one four-horse wagon;
each 100 animals for forage, one four-horse wagon;
ambulance, one two-horse wagon.
Artillery with cavalry:
Each battery, baggage for officers, cooking utensils, and extra
 harness, one four-horse wagon;
forage, one four-horse wagon;
forge, one four-horse wagon.
Ordnance:
12-pounder howitzer battery, four guns, two four-horse wagons;
Napoleon, three four-horse wagons;
battery of rifled guns (four), one four-horse wagon.
Batteries artillery:
Extra harness, instead of battery wagons, with wagons,
 one four-horse wagon;
forge, two four-horse wagons;
ambulance, two two-horse wagons.
II. All mules and wagons in excess of the above allowance will be
 immediately turned in to Capt. S. E. Norton, chief quartermaster
 of this corps.
III. Captain Norton, chief quartermaster will immediately form the
 mules and wagons thus turned in with a general supply train, and
 place the train thus formed in charge of one or more assistant
 quartermasters as the number of wagons may require to be used as
 the major-general commanding may direct.
By order of Major-General Wheeler:
HDQRS. DEPT. OF NORTH CAROLINA,
 Wilmington, February 10, 1865.
I. The means of transportation in this department for operations
 in the field will be distributed as follows:
Army headquarters,
one 4-horse wagon;
inspector-general and assistants, one 4-horse wagon;
chief quartermaster and chief commissary and assistants,
 one 4-horse wagon;
chief ordnance officer and assistants, one 4-horse wagon;
chief engineer and assistants, one 4-horse wagon;
medical director and assistants, one 4-horse wagon;
division headquarters,
two 4-horse wagons and one 6-horse wagon;
brigade headquarters,
one 4-horse wagon;
military court,
one 4-horse wagon.
The transportation for division and brigade headquarters
 includes the personal staff', engineers, signal corps, and medical
 officers, and other officers of the general staff, except those
 hereinafter mentioned.
Chief quartermaster and chief commissary of division,
 with assistants, one 4-horse wagon;
regimental headquarters, including field and staff and company
 officers, one 4-horse wagon;
division headquarters, for forage for animals, two 4-horse wagons;
brigade headquarters, for forage for animals, three 4-horse wagons;
pioneer party and provost guard of division, one 4-horse wagon;
each regiment exceeding 500 men actually present, for
 cooking utensils, two 4-horse wagons;
each regiment not exceeding 500 men, for cooking utensils,
 one 4-horse wagon;
each division, for medical supplies, one 4-horse wagon;
each brigade, for medical supplies, one 4-horse wagon;
to every 375 men, for ordnance supplies in brigade train,
 one 4-horse wagon;
to same in division train, one 4-horse wagon;
headquarters, each artillery battalion, including quartermaster
 and surgeon, one 4-horse wagon;
company officers, each artillery battalion, one 4-horse wagon;
each artillery battalion, for medical supplies, one 2-horse wagon;
every 500 men actually present, for cooking utensils,
 one 4-horse wagon;
each battery of artillery, for forage and commissary supplies,
 one 2-horse wagon.
II. The general supply train and transportation for blacksmith's
 tools are not affected by this order.
III. The transportation will be the same for cavalry as for infantry,
 with the following exceptions:
To every 200 horses in each brigade, for forage,
 one 4-horse wagon;
each squadron, for shoeing tools, one pack-mule;
each regiment for ammunition, one pack-mule.
IV. All wagons in excess of the foregoing allowance will be
 immediately turned over to the chief quartermaster, who is
 especially charged with the execution of this order.
By order of General Bragg:
Near Smithfield, N. C., March 26, 1865.
I. The allowance of field transportation for the army is as follows:
Weight of baggage.--For general officers, 120 pounds;
 for captains, 50 pounds; for field officers, 100 pounds;
 for subalterns, 30 pounds.
Wagons.
Corps headquarters.--Baggage of officers, three wagons;
 forge, one wagon; medical supplies, one wagon;
 ambulance, one wagon.
Division headquarters.--Baggage of officers, two wagons;
 medical supplies, one wagon; forge two wagons;
 ambulance, one wagon.
Brigade headquarters.--Baggage of officers, one wagon;
 intrenching tools, one wagon; medical supplies, one wagon;
 ambulance, one wagon.
Regiments.--Officers' baggage, including desks, medicine
 chests, &c., for all officers of 400 men, one wagon; for cooking
 utensils for every 300 enlisted men, present for duty, one wagon;
 for every 300 men present for duty, one ambulance.
Artillery.--To each battalion, for officers' baggage, one wagon;
 to each battalion, for cooking utensils of men, one wagon;
 for sick of battalion, one ambulance.
Reserve ammunition.--For every 375 muskets, one wagon;
 for every 12-pounder howitzer or rifle battery, two wagons;
 for every Napoleon-gun battery, three wagons.
Engineer troops.--Baggage of regimental officers, one wagon;
 cooking utensils for every 375 men present for duty, one wagon;
 for working tools of regiment, one wagon.
II. The baggage of field and staff of battalions of artillery will
 be transported in the wagons for officers' baggage.
III. All ambulances, wherever found, will be under the exclusive
 control of the medical director of the army.
IV. The forage wagons will be under the control of the chief
 quartermaster of the army, and will be distributed and used
 as he may direct.
V. The reduction called for by this order will be immediately
 made, and the surplus wagons and ambulances, if any, returned
 to the chief quartermaster of the army. Any deficiency will be
 supplied on proper requisition upon that officer.
VI. The forges at division headquarters will be under the exclusive
 control of the division quartermaster, to be used for the troops
 of the division.
VII. The inspector-general of the army will see that the provisions
 of this order are complied with.
Ingombro sulle strade, ogni carro avrebbe occupato circa tre metri,
ed ogni fila di cavalli circa due metri (carro con 4 cavalli = 7 metri).
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 ed ogni fila di cavalli circa due metri (carro con 4 cavalli = 7 metri).
Doveva essere un bel problema ogni volta che si spostavano. Il tutto
doveva essere attentamente pianificato immaggino. C'era qualcuno che si
occupava del carreggio ai vari livelli, armata corpo divisione?
Grazie mille per la risposta molto dettagliata.
Su internet dove posso trovare su internet informazioni dettagliate
sull'invasione sudista del kentucky dell'estate '62?
Durante un'incursione di cavalleria del Gen. Forrest, viene citata una 23°
Brigata dell'armata dell'Ohio?!?
E' un errore, probabilmente si riferivano al 23° Rgt Ohio, o c'era una
numerazione progressiva anche per le brigate? Da quando ne sà io la 1°
div. aveva la 1°,2°,3° brigata così come la 2° Div, etc...etc... e non la
4°5°6°, 7°,8°,9° etc....
ciao
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 4°5°6°, 7°,8°,9° etc....
No, è corretto. Buell, evidentemente un maniaco dell'ordine, aveva
numerato non solo le sue divisioni, ma anche le sue brigate.
Al momento non trovo più la tabellina che avevo fatto, cmq mi sembra
sia arrivato fino alla 40a brigata. Dopo la defenestrazione di Buell i
numeri sono scomparsi. Non mi sembra che l'idea sia stata adottata
da altre armate.
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