Newsgroup: it.discussioni.folli
Titolo: La storia dell'invasione italiana di alt.flame vista dal nemico

ITALIAN FLAME GROUP INVADES ALT.FLAME
December 5 1998: A sudden invasion by the obscure flame group
it.discussioni.litigi has produced a large flame thread in alt.flame
and the 'Nose, although many of the regulars of both groups have a
hard time understanding the contents.
The fact that a flame group even existed in the it.* heirarchy was a
surprise to denizens of alt.flame, as the only known international
flame groups up to last week had been aus.flame (Australia),
no.alt.flame (Norway), and de.alt.flame (Germany). Of these, aus.flame
has been the most active in flamefests with a dot f, as the major
language spoken in both groups is English. No.alt.flame, in contrast,
sees more local traffic in Norwegian than crossposts, and de.alt.flame
sees virtually no traffic at all.
So the sudden announcement earlier this week that a flamewar had been
declared on us by an Italian flame group initially turned quite a few
heads. The resulting thread filled over three-fourths of alt.flame
traffic this week, led by Bakunin, a sort of European version of the
BiilBerT 'BoT.
However, the Italian delegation, so to speak, doesn't exactly have a
masterful grasp of the English language, let alone flaming skills.
Flames consist mostly of "yo mamma" lames, homo-lames, and rather
childish insults; and this is when one is able to understand the text
(e.g., "Flaming with you is exciting like drivin' a trycicle [sic]").
Most of the time, the posts are so bizarre that one alt.flamer was
moved to add alt.non.sequitur to the newsgroups line. Consider this
passage by Bakunin to M.T. Cicero:
"Cicero (chick-pea), you magister of history. 
Do you know what happens to the roman legions in sardinia? 
You know that Barbagian people feasted for days with the legionary
meat?
Well, I'm a descendant of that bunch of unconquered people. 
And now you suck."
The balance of the Italian flames are, well, Italian flames. Raoul
Xemblinosky was at least able to keep pace by breaking out translation
software, and most of the rest of the group had turned to Alta Vista's
translation engine. This turned out to be a losing battle, however, as
the computerized translations turned out to be just as bizarre as the
Italian flamer's English text. Let them forever more be known of in
alt.flame as the "Pizzaheads" - joining the ranks of such flametribes
as the Weejuns.
This author doubts that any real flamewars can be had out of this
group, but there is a possibility for some Usenet Performace Art at
the expense of the little pepperoni poofters. And at least alt.flame
is getting some attention by actual human beings for a change, however
incomprehensible.
[fonte: 
http://www.godhatesjanks.org/webcenter/news32.html
]
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ITALIAN FLAMEWAR THRIVES
December 15: The regulars of it.discussioni.litigi (idl) have
continued their bizarre invasion of alt.flame this week, keeping post
counts at a surprisingly high level, albeit sacrificing quality. Using
a combination of broken English and Italian, they have commanded
upwards of two thirds of alt.flame and 'Nose traffic since last
weekend.
Happily, for 'Nosers, this invasion promises to become a new mainstay
in regular adversaries for the Empire of Meow. They seem to happily
take their place alongside the Weejuns, the Aunties, and the members
of the Australian flame groups as seasonal flamewar opponents.
This year has not been without its major inter-newsgroup flamewars
(the war with alt.flame.niggers was one of the most memorable), and
the current battle with idl could very well take top honors as one of
the more historic skirmishes. However, there is one important
difference:
This time, no one can understand what the hell the war is about. 
In past flamewars, the opponents had what could at least be called a
rudimentary understanding of the English language and Western culture,
and could therefore flame and be flamed on a variety of topics. Even
the Norwegian flame group, although based on another language,
contains enough regulars with a good enoguh grasp of English to
conduct a thought-provoking flamewar, when they have the will to do so
(and the Empire is not making jokes about Rjeindeer). However, the
Italians appear to have only a basic understanding of English grammar,
and no grasp at all of American/British idioms and slang. Many of
their flames appear to be Italian cultural references and jokes that
would only make sense to an Italian, directly translated into English,
with no further explanation. As a result, the flames can become quite
surreal at times, with neither side understanding what the other is
talking about at all.
To make matters worse (or better, depending on how you look at it),
some of the members of both contingents have turned to computerized
translator programs. These programs, of course, can only perform
translations based on direct word meaning; they have no ability to
translate nuance and context. Flames that are translated with these
filters, consequently, turn out to be bizarre at best, unintelligible
at worst.
This begs the question: Then why the hell is this flamewar going so
well?
The WebCenter's guess is: relief at actually having human opponents,
with actual brains, however small they might be. This year, being the
Year of the Netcop and the 'Bot, has seen tremendous upheavals in the
flame groups, and there were months on end without a good classic
flamewar od any kind. A poster would post an article, only to see it
superseded, cancelled, followed up by gibberish, or netcopped by some
fanatic because it was deemed "off-topic". It was a terrible
environment for a flamer; many found it difficult to gather the
inspiration to post.
Then came the Pizzaheads. The flame groups, after what seemed to be
ages, were invaded by flamers from a distant, obscure newsgroup that
the alt.* hierarchy never even knew existed. They flamed them back,
and instead of the expected three-second spanking (immortalized by the
late Flamenet), the Italians were able to hold their own through sheer
numbers and incomprehensibility. In other words, the 'Nose had finally
found lasting targets.
Furthermore, they are (in a manner of speaking) kindred spirits. They
cascade without reservation. They seem to like wacky threads. Some of
them, when you are able to scale the langage barrier, have a rather
sly sense of humor. They all apparently flame for the joy of it, for
some good clean fun... the seething real-life
hatred so evident in flame organizations such as the HFW is
conspicuously absent (although they go out of their way to denounce
America, they take anti-Italian insults in complete stride).
It continues as of this writing, unabated. Here's hoping that the
Guidos will stick around to become the newest toys in the Imperial
Toybox.... and perhaps, in time, welcome associates.
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Italian Flame Group Members
Bakunin: Most vocal anti-American, but is able to take anything the
'Nosers dish out about his own country. Has recently learned how to
cascade.
Nuke: Doesn't post much, and when he does, it's wierd one-liners. Call
him BillBerT al-dente.
Sam: Flames half the time, seems genuinely interested in gathering
information the rest of the time. Will pause during an all-out
flamefest to inquire, "Say, what's a cascade?"
Steve: Um... yawn, but I'm hoping he'll catch on eventually.
RDNZL: When he isn't babbling some inside joke about "three-wheeled
trucks", he can be a rather funny read: "your friend's intercourse
with a Coca Cola bottle has influenced too much your perspective on
drinking and bottles."
EagleStorm: the most vocal of the Pizzaheads. Commendable for
attempting to answer all parts of a long thread, however lamely. Has
probably the best grasp of American idioms out of all the idl'ers.
Discover any more? Let me know.
[fonte: 
http://www.godhatesjanks.org/webcenter/news35.html
]
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[REPERTI DELLA FLAME WAR CONSERVATI NELLO UPA ARCHIVE]
A Collection of The Best Pieces of Usenet Performance Art 
The it.discussioni.litigi FAQ. By Will Acheson.  (1998)
The Pizza FAQ. Are you a Pizza?  By keroppi (1998)
The Heads FAQ. Are you a HEAD??!! by keroppi (1998)
[fonte: 
http://www.godhatesjanks.org/webcenter/upa2.html#1998
]

Cioe' ittaliani bravva ggente maffiggure dimmerda!
--
Uahlim o non Uahlim, il primo o non il primo netkook con o senza ambigramma
e (o non e) carta magic al seguito o non al seguito
(
http://space.virgilio.it/uah...@virgilio.it/
 o un altro url)

 And now you suck."
oh gesu`, vabbeh dai, si stava appena facendo il curriculum

 it.discu
In altre parole abbiamo rotto il cazzo abbestia facendoci capire a gesti as
usual.
Niente di nuovo, è il made in italy.

 usual.
"abbiamo" cosa, che ai tempi familiarizzavi ancora col girello

 che ai tempi familiarizzavi ancora col girello
Cos'ha il girello che non va?

 Tu devi essere sardo.
sono disposto a qualunque cosa purche' la ritiri

 sono disposto a qualunque cosa purche' la ritiri
Solo se mi aggiusti il girello

BluDiesel ha scritto:
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ok, ci metto anche le hyper di tasca mia, sei uno generoso

"frick"
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Bene.
Tu non devi essere sardo e io ho il mio girello con le hyper su pista
parabolica polistil a 20 tracce versione per quarantenni.
Ora che si fa, si monta un mercatino dell'usato e si vende le figurine?
Io ho le panders di mio figlio.

BluDiesel ha scritto:
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Chi e` il padre?

found lasting targets.
Meraviglioso, grazie. A tanti anni di distanza, verrebbe voglia di
verificare se ancora si ricordano dei Pizzaheads: ne riparliamo
lunedi'...

"BluDiesel"  said: 
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LOL