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Titolo: [MACROSS FRONTIER] Guida ai riferimenti

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=45779&page=85
(arrivano fino all'episodio 21 al momento)
Un certo tipo sta traducendo le note nei booklet dal giapponese allo
spagnolo, e su animesuki le traducono dallo spagnolo all'inglese. Sono
un must read per tutti i fan di Macross Frontier. La quantità di
citazioni è più alta di quanto ci si aspetti appena si introducono i
libri di Ohnogi (che faceva parte dello staff di Macross). Il rapporto
tra Ohnogi stesso e quella che diventerà sua moglie viene citato da un
paio di personaggi (indovinate quali ^^).
Anche le altre informazioni sono molto curiose. Viene confermato ad
esempio che il chara designer è un fan di Ranma, ed è stato lui a
chiamare il protagonista "Saotome" e a farlo attore kabuki ^^
FV

 Un certo tipo sta traducendo le note nei booklet dal giapponese allo
LoL... sto leggendo...
Del maiale non si butta niente...
tra lo zainetto e le varie cose riciclate dai datesim
non so che dire! XD
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 non so che dire! XD
Ma hai notato che tipo è Kawamori? Si è ricordato del primo incontro
tra Ohnogi e sua moglie, e glielo ha citato in una puntata. Ohnogi era
commosso.
FV

 commosso.
E' un grande, come al solito! ^_^
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commosso.
Ma se non fosse stato per Ohnogi, Sheryl sarebbe morta. Inoltre hai
letto che non voleva nemmeno far baciare Sheryl e Alto nell'ep. 22?
Mi spiace per il Kawa, che e' un genio con i modellini, ma di storie
d'amore non capisce un tubo. Non a caso e' un single 49enne...
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 Se impugno una spada non posso abbracciarti." (T. Kubo)

 d'amore non capisce un tubo. Non a caso e' un single 49enne...
Ma se č il classico stile giapponese di non dargliela fino all'ultimo? ;P
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 nell'ep. 22?
Perché questo è un Triangler e non si può favorire un angolo lasciando
all'altro il bastoncino corto. Impersonificarsi troppo nei personaggi
significa creare dei Mary Sue.
FV

Ho beccato una bella intervista da Kawamori presa dal numero di
dicembre di Animag. Ovviamente non ve la traduco in italiano :P
Title: We ask Supervising Director Kawamori! The Macross Frontier
World
Interviewer - Although we covered many topics during the previous
interview, I’d like to specifically ask questions about how the world
of Macross F is set up.
Kawamori - (laughs) There probably are things that I either can’t talk
about, don’t have a definite answer, or have to keep secret.
Interviewer - Is that so? (laughs) Then I’ll probably ask questions
about topics which I probably shouldn’t ask about…
Kawamori - Well then, in those cases, my responses are off the record.
(laugh)
Interviewer - Let’s begin then. Currently in space, we know that there
are a number of Macross ships present, including first generation and
Galaxy class ships. How many Macross class Colonial Fleets are
currently active?
Kawamori - Well, if we combine the large and small fleets, there are
dozens that are active. This includes the Megaroad type and colonial
fleets which do not have Macross class ships. Within these fleets, I
would say that there are dozens of Macross class ships that are making
the voyage. If first generation fleets are present, then there are
also Macross 7 size fleets, and there are, of course, Frontier size
fleets present.
Interviewer - Then the ships in a fleet are constantly being replaced
with newer types?
Kawamori - It’s not so much a matter of replacing, it’s more a matter
of adding new ships to what’s already there. This also happens in real
life. Since the life span of a ship is so long, it’s a losing
proposition if you don’t use the ship for dozens of years. (laughs)
Interviewer - Making the ships for dozens of active fleets in a span
of 50 years starting from the year 2009 is quite a feat of mass
production, isn’t it?
Kawamori - That’s true. You would be able to manufacture ships
yourself once the Zentradi factory ships were modified. That is a
prerequisite for sure. Without that, mass production would be
difficult.
Interviewer - Then earth’s resources weren’t being used?
Kawamori - Human resources were definitely being used, but since that
would be insufficient, Zentradi technology was also used. Originally,
since the Zentradi had a limited culture and limited practical skills
due to Protoculture, humanity was better able to modify Zentradi
technolgy. At that time, Zentradi technology, like the fold system,
was modified to be easier to use by humans and in common use.
Interviewer - Are repaired Zentradi ships being used?
Kawamori - Yes, they are. There are colonial ships which are just the
modified insides of Zentradi ships. It’s just that I didn’t want them
to appear on screen because it would be too confusing. (laughs) If you
mixed in Zentradi designed ships, you would no longer be able to tell
who the good guys and bad guys were with just a quick glance. For
people who are watching Macross F for the first time, this part of the
story would be lost. That’s why Zentradi ships don’t appear in the
series with the exception of episode 12. There are actually colonial
ships which are made from modified Zentradi ships. If those are taken
into account, I would say there are about 100 Zentradi ships.
Interviewer - Then there are colonial ships which are made up of just
Zentradis?
Kawamori - Yes, of course. Since the ships were originally made for
Zentradis, modifications would be quick and easy.
Interviewer - How many people live in the Macross Frontier fleet?
Kawamori - About 10,000,000 people.
Interviewer - 10,000,000 doesn’t really sound like that many people…
it’s about the population of a Japanese prefecture.
Kawamori - Yes, that’s true, isn’t it? It couldn’t have been an
enormous population considering that Sheryl was the premiere star of
the Galaxy Network, which covered every colonial fleet and planet and
the Earth
Interviewer - How big of a star was she? In the story, her popularity
on Macross Frontier was dropping, and she actually seemed more like a
local celebrity.
Kawamori - Although she was known as the queen of the Galaxy Net, your
popularity soon drops if you don’t release songs and you don’t get
exposure, just like in real life. Things were going well for her
during the time of the Galaxy Tour, but once the war began, it became
really difficult for her to promote herself. Since the Galaxy Network
was no longer broadcasting information that let people know that she
was still around, her fame was fading due to the lack of promotion.
Interviewer - There is a time lag involved when sending information by
current light wave communication technology. If the Galaxy Net does
not have such a time lag, does this mean that all the colonial fleets
in all of space are always in synch?
Kawamori - Although the fold transmission wave is utilized, a time lag
does occur whenever you send information over hundreds or thousands of
light years. A time lag can also develop due to fold faults. Although
the fold transmission wave is clearly faster than a ship’s fold
system, I would have to say that there is a limit even to that.
Interviewer - Then it’s an all space network that isn’t always
consistent?
Kawamori - Yes. When it’s slow, messages take several months to
arrive. When it’s really bad, it takes a year and information can be
out of date. Because of various factors like the location of fold
faults, it’s not unusual that a connection which just worked the other
day no longer works.
Interviewer - I’ve never heard of fold faults until now. Was it not
present until now or was it just the fact that the colonial fleets
were scattered across space that made it easier to discover?
Kawamori - In the past, the existence of fold faults themselves could
not be confirmed. In the real world, it was said not too long ago that
the mass of the galaxy was insufficient due to the existence of black
holes, but due to advances in astronomical observation techniques, the
cause was later attributed to the existence of dark matter.
Eventually, as technology advanced, the idea that dark energy accounts
for the majority of the missing mass of the universe became the
accepted theory.
Interviewer - Then this means that it was a new discovery that
happened only when humanity applied its powers of observation to the
Zentradi’s technology, since the Zentradi’s powers of obervation were
lacking?
Kawamori - Although the phenomena appeared on Zentradi sensors, they
simply had no curiosity about it. Since they were only able to think
in terms of “Why is it there?”, “Is it friend or foe?”, and “Should we
attack?”, they cannot think beyond these terms even if they are
ordered to. They simply haven’t been taught to think in a different
manner.
Interviewer - There ability to think when it came to such things as
culture and music was limited.
Kawamori - It was limited. Since there ability to think was limited, I
kind of think their society really resembles modern day society.
(laughs)
Interviewer - (laughs) Since the existence of fold faults was not
confirmed, does this mean that the technology of the civilian
corporations was able to provide a breakthrough in this area like in
episode 12?
Kawamori - Actually, the Vajra had something to do with that
technology.
Interviewer - Although the colonial fleets are scattered all over
space, the first planet that was reached was Eden, correct?
Kawamori - It’s been established that Eden’s sun was located the
closest to Earth.
Interviewer - The planet Eden was reached in the year 2015, wasn’t it?
Kawamori - Was that the date? (laughs) There are plans from the early
stages you keep in mind whenever you’re having story problems,
although it’s not like having a plan A, plan B, and plan C. Although
these plans are present, whenever you are doing things like the
continuity for a scernario you created, you don’t always remember what
has already been established. Viewers remember things because they
watch the final outcomes as they are shown on TV. In my case, since I
sometimes work on things which are still in progress, there are times
when I think, “How did that go?”
Interviewer - The first planet was Eden. Will the number of habitable
planets steadily increase?
Kawamori - Hmmmmmm. The biggest problem is the level of astronomical
observation technology since it’s already been established that terra
forming isn’t really used that often. If terra forming was really
used,
it would require a lot of time and that’s why it’s not really done.
There are things like dark mattter and fold faults that can’t be seen
that might be near the future Earth.
Interviewer - Was “Frontier” a part of the title because people were
going to travel to the areas beyond the fold faults?
Kawamori - It wasn’t just the fold faults, it was also the feeling of
stepping out into unknown territory.
Interviewer - Then what is the destination of the Macross Frontier
fleet?
Kawamori - It’s actually heading for the center of the galaxy. It’s a
voyage that is being made to search for the things which brought about
the revolution in fold technology. Officially, the citizens of the
Macross Frontier fleet aren’t told of this and also don’t know of the
fact that the voyage is influenced by Richard Bilrer, sponsor of the
S.M.S and shadow sponsor of the Frontier Fleet.
Interviewer - Then Frontier is an experimental model?
Kawamori - It’s not so much an experimental model, but more like a
ship that is sent off on a voyage to discover the new world.
Frontier’s voyage is being made to search for raw materials which will
allow a great revolution, one that is on par with the Industrial
Revolution, to occur. The purpose of this revolution would be to
create the newest technology of the current age.
Interviewer - The citizens are involved yet they know nothing of it?
Kawamori - Yes
Interviewer - Whether it’s the S.M.S or the Macross Galaxy, the
civilian corporations seem to have become much more powerful than the
government in the Macross world.
Kawamori - In the real world, corporations have become powerful,
haven’t they? On a related aspect, it’s a feeling inside of me that
the notion of “nation” is already merely an illusion that was created
by skillful propaganda. In other words, haven’t “nations” already
become puppets of multi-national corporations and the capitalist
groups who back them? Using the word “nation” means that various
things are being skillfully manipulated.
Interviewer - Then there are civilian corporations that have more
power than a Macross class Colonial Fleet, and those civilian
corporations manipulate everything according to their hidden agendas?
Kawamori - Yes, that’s right. In secret, the civilian corporations and
pivotal members of the groups that back them use various people in
order to achieve their goals.
Interviewer - So although they are following the unified goals of the
citizens, they also have their own agenda which the citizens never
see.
Kawamori - Yes. In the real world, there are mutli-national
corporations that are part of other group organizations that invest in
other multi-national corporations.
Interviewer - Then that is fundamental to the story, isn’t it?
Kawamori - It is.
Interviewer - Sheryl’s manager, Grace, is doing some really suspicious
things….Anyways, let’s return to the story for a bit. There was a lot
of contact between the colonial fleets. Is there a standard style of
exchange?
Kawamori - Yes, there is. High speed crafts that travel using folds
are the main method, but since fold travel is much slower than fold
communication, transporting goods is very slow, and this method is
very limited. For those fleets which are close to each other, they use
a relay system when sending things back and forth, which also includes
using Earth as a relay point.
Interviewer - Although the network broadcasts to many locations, is it
still being expanded?
Kawamori - The information net is advanced to a certain extent, but
it’s like only having the internet during an Age of Discovery. It’s
that type of world. (laughs)
Interviewer - (laughs) Then money and information are pretty much the
only things that move around freely?
Kawamori - Yes, that’s true. The Valkyrie VF-25 itself wasn’t
developed on the Frontier. Plans and development test data for the
YF-24, which was developed on Earth and Eden, were given to the
Frontier and LAI created a version of the YF-24, the VF-25. With the
same data, the Galaxy created the VF-27.
Interviewer - They’re all based on the same Valkyrie design?
Kawamori - Yes, they are all off-shoots of the YF-24.
Interviewer - That also appeared in Macross 7, didn’t it? There were
fighters like the VF-19 which were based on another fighter.
Kawamori - Some are developed from scratch by the fleets themselves,
but things like running tests on the fighters would understandably be
extremely difficult engineering wise. Keeping that in mind, that’s why
development occurs on Earth or colonized planets. Once the majority of
the tests and experiments are completed, the respective fleets can
than take that information and decide what type of fighter to create
from the data. Even in real life, it’s the same as when the US
military buys Israeli fuselages that have gone through many actual
battles and then improves on the design to create a more powerful
fighter.
Interviewer - Then since the military factories and companies are
competing fiercely for business, new generation Valkyries are always
replacing the older models?
Kawamori - It’s not so much a matter of replacing, it’s more a matter
of adding to what you already have. There are probably some fleets out
there that are still using the VF-19s as VF-19s.
Interviewer - In the Macross world, do the colonial fleets have
currency? If they do, is it standardized?
Kawamori - It hasn’t reached a point where it’s like the modern day
Euro. Each fleet has a currency and I would say that the denominations
and currency rate are probably different.
Interviewer - Then are there rate changes and currency mergers?
Kawamori - There are. The reason why the old government became the New
Unity Government is that constituency of the old government had become
too spread out and the government could not unify them into one body.
The civilians became too strong and nations started to fall apart. The
old government started changing into the New Unity Government.
Interviewer - Then there was no coup d’ etat? It was just a breakdown
of the old government?
Kawamori - It no longer fit in with the realities of the Macross
world.
Interviewer - You have the planet Eden, which has a colonial fleet
administration. Is it run like a colonial fleet?
Kawamori - It’s become an independent administration of sorts. It’s
like a privatized country.
Interviewer - Has power become decentralized? In other words, similar
to countries in modern times, each colonial fleet would be a different
country?
Kawamori - Macross Frontier is still like a country since it has a
president, but Macross Galaxy is a corporate entity.
Interviewer - Becasue it’s developing implant technology?
Kawamori - Yes. Although I can’t give an exact date, the ban on
implants themselves has recently been completely lifted. It’s said
that technological innovation is happening inside the Galaxy. There
was a big dispute over whether or not implants should be legalized,
and in the end, the implant supporters won out.
Interviewer - What is the Earth’s position on all of this?
Kawamori - The Earth is still managing to do things as the Earth.
(laughs)
Interviewer - Doesn’t the Earth have any power over the Colonial
Fleets like the old unity government?
Kawamori - It doesn’t have anything like absoulte authority. It’s more
symbolic.
Interviewer - So it’s not like the old Soviet Union or modern day
America, it’s more like the European Union?
Kawamori - That’s probably the most similar, but the distance between
the Earth and the Colonial Fleets is such that if you tried to return
to Earth, it would take 10 years.
Interviewer - It’s not too far for sending information, but too far to
actually go there.
Kawamori - Yes. That’s why Vajira power started becoming necessary in
order to shrink the distance. The Vajira had Super High Speed Fold
technology which was able to ignore the fold faults. The Super High
Speed Fold System that was used in episode 12 was a system that used
Vajira abilities. The system could be built because a corpse of a
Vajira was obtained.
Interviewer - I see. Things were happening in the background and there
were suspicious things happening.
Kawamori - Since I wanted to do things like that for the later half, I
did the school campus things during the first half. (laughs)
Interviewer - (laughs) Everyone was cheerful and having a good time.
So what about the human aspects of the Macross world? Alto’s family is
an old family that is Japanese, isn’t it?
Kawamori - They’re not so much Japanese as they are people of Japan.
Since Japan dissolved as a nation, I guess you could say that they are
of Japanese descent.
Interviewer - In the Macross world, are the traditional arts
preserved?
Kawamori - Since the first devastation of the Earth, there has been
trauma concerned with that time, so there has been a movement to
preserve Earth culture from the beginning year of the 21st century to
the year 2009. Right after World War 2, after Europe had been severely
bombed, it was rebuilt just like it originally was. It’s like they
were trying to pass on it’s history and tradition.
Interviewer - Then it was similar to having things like living
national trasures and intangible cultural assets?
Kawamori - It’s similar to having those things, but even then it’s not
like everyone goes to see those things. When it comes to popularity,
everyone is critical.
- There was still lots to talk about, but the contents were so in
depth that we couldn’t fit them into this issue. To be continued in
the next issue.
Kawamori Shouji Profile: Born in 1960 in Toyama prefecture. Active as
a mecha designer since his student days and was the leading person who
introduced the tranformation ability of the Valkyrie. At the age of
24, he made his directorial debut with the movie “Macross Do You
Remember Love?” (co-directed with Ishiguro Noburo). A “Vision Creator”
who has worked in a wide variety of roles including original story
writer, director, producer, script writer, storyboard artist, and
mecha designer on such series as Macross Plus, Arjuna, Aquarion,
Macross Zero, and Aquarion The Movie.
FV

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E chi l'ha detto? Ci sono moltissime serie dove la prima ragazza a
essere baciata non e' quella che vince.
E poi nella seconda meta' dell'anime e' Sheryl quella che estrae
sempre il bastoncino corto: dimenticata dalle folle, tradita da Grace,
scopre di avere una malattia incurabile. E voleva pure farle perdere
l'affetto di Alto? Ma sparale un colpo in testa che smette di
soffrire! ^^;
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 sempre il bastoncino corto:
Le tragedie possono essere un bastoncino più lungo, perché tendono ad
avvicinare lo spettatore al personaggio. Se ci aggiungi anche la
leadership nella love chart però il bastoncino diventa così lungo che
spezza l'armonia dell'opera.
FV

questo è male. Questo soprattutto nelle fasi finali che sono decisive.
Potrebbe essere invece il preludio ad un ritorno a sorpresa della
rivale. Del resto in quel periodo Ranka era partita con Brera per il
pianeta dei Vajra, quindi era temporaneamente fuori dai giochi. Era il
momento ottimale per un avvicinamento tra Alto e Sheryl.
Sta di fatto che la naturale conclusione di quella scena cosi'
emozionale tra i due era un bacio. Che Kawamori non volesse mettercelo
e' prova della sua predilezione per Ranka.
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 e' prova della sua predilezione per Ranka.
Siamo più chiari: Alto aveva già scelto Ranka nell'episodio 13,
confermato nell'episodio 14. Qualche puntata dopo Sheryl sarebbe
morta, e si sarebbe formato un nuovo triangolo Alto-Ranka-Brera. In
base alle informazioni che ho ottenuto, questo è il piano originale di
Kawamori.
Puoi notare che così ha molto più senso. Ad esempio nella seconda metà
della serie Ranka passa molto tempo con Brera. Non avrebbe senso visto
che Brera è solo un ostacolo nel triangolo originale, e così facendo
Ranka si allontana da Alto. Nel piano originale però Alto aveva già
deciso, ed è lui quello che viene allontanato e reso geloso. Questo
duplice triangolo amoroso rappresentava un'innovazione per Kawamori.
Poi, dopo aver visto la 14, in cui Kawamori dimostrava il suo affetto
e la sua stima per lui, Ohnogi decide di invitarlo a cena, e si fa
dire quali sono gli sviluppi. Sarebbe stato molto divertente vedere la
faccia di Ohnogi nell'apprendere che il suo personaggio preferito
sarebbe morto di lì a poco.
A questo punto si è messo a dire che Kawamori stava sbagliando
direzione e altre cose. Poi in effetti Ohnogi ha ammesso che per altri
registi magari il piano di Kawamori era perfetto, ma lui ha insistito
e negli episodi successivi si è imbucato come sceneggiatore
principale.
Io suppongo che Goodbye Sister originalmente fosse l'episodio 18 visto
che Pineapple Salad era il 18 (il simbolismo sarebbe stato massimo),
penso che la morte di Sheryl sarebbe avvenuta nel 17 originale.
Probabilmente nel 17 originale ci sarebbe anche stata una spiegazione
migliore per quello che avviene nell'episodio 20, che poi è stata
tagliata per far spazio a Sheryl.
Con l'intervento di Ohnogi a quel punto Brera è stato messo da parte,
ma anche Alto invece di svilupparsi come personaggio che lotta per
assumere un ruolo maggiore e cerca attivamente di vincere un triangolo
amoroso ha dovuto passare altro tempo a dimostrare di essere ancora
attaccato a Sheryl, ed è diventato poi famoso come "l'indeciso".
L'onta massima tuttavia l'ha subita Ranka.
Ranka come personaggio rappresenta un topos dell'animazione
giapponese, lei è l'underdog timido che tuttavia si fa coraggio e
vince. Ace o Nerae per esempio è una storia del genere. Ranka era
partita da zero e stava avendo un crescendo di confidenza, aiutato
anche dalla competizione con Sheryl. Dopo la morte di Sheryl che
rappresentava il suo mentore Ranka avrebbe preso il suo posto in una
qualche sorta di prova del fuoco. Una cosa tipo Gurren Lagann. Prova
ad immaginare l'episodio 20 se Sheryl non ci fosse più e Nanase
morisse davanti a Ranka (Nanase è sopravissuta alla fine solo per
dimostrare quanto Sheryl fosse virtuosa, ma chiaramente non aveva più
nessun ruolo e quindi l'hanno messa in coma per toglierla di mezzo).
Poi è venuto Ohnogi, e dichiarando ufficialmente di voler _migliorare_
Ranka l'ha castrata dal ruolo che le spettava. Non pago, ha deciso di
interrompere anche il crescendo di confidenza, e farla diventare una
mammolletta senza più nessuna risorsa all'improvviso. Per completare
l'opera, mentre precedentemente Ranka e Sheryl assumevano a turno i
ruoli di Minmay e Misa, Sheryl a quel punto si è presa tutta la parte
di Misa, mentre Ranka è diventata Minmay, la Minmay di Ohnogi fatta
tutta di frivolezze senza spessore, e brutte cose che le succedono
senza più momenti positivi. Minmay nell'ultima parte di Macross è
diventata quella inutile anche se canta. Questo con Kawamori non
succede; quando scriveva lui Sheryl, se pur destinata a morire, non
era mai stata inutile nemmeno per un momento; Kawamori sa essere
bipartisan, il che è un buon dono per un autore.
A quel punto poi è solo naturale che mentre Ranka è via Ohnogi ci
metta pure un bacio con la rivale, ormai il piano originale è stato
cambiato e solo lui ha un'idea di come far andare le cose. Ohnogi è
riuscito persino a far approvare l'idea che gli SMS diventassero
pirati, il che suona fico ma poi salta fuori che vanno a prendere
informazioni dai rottami della Global, che è un'idiozia visto che non
solo era stata distrutta ma aveva avuto anche i dati cancellati. Forse
Ohnogi non ha nemmeno visto l'episodio 13, o forse ha deciso di tirare
fuori un qualche SEED Destiny (lui ha lavorato pure là, quindi non è
nuovo a stravolgimenti di trama e personaggi).
Concludendo non si può non notare l'abilità di Kawamori, che da un
lato è riuscito a tirare fuori un finale superbo nonostante le carte
in tavole gli fossero state cambiate a metà serie, dall'altro se non
altro ha dimostrato di sapere ancora scrivere una storia ben
pianificata a tavolino. E' un peccato che poi altri intervengano e gli
lascino tracce di bianchetto da tutte le parte. Io ho trovato Ohnogi
estremamente arrogante per come nelle interviste lui parli tanto di
migliorare Frontier e poi alla fine non ha fatto altro che favorire il
suo personaggio a scapito degli altri, specie poi perché prende in
giro anche Kawamori per "non essere deciso", quando alla fine gli
stava imponendo un matrimonio combinato.
A me il finale di Frontier così com'è è piaciuto moltissimo e trovo
che sia stato diretto alla grandissima, specie per come è stato
accompagnato musicalmente; potete dire che la sparo grossa ma non
ricordo nessun finale che sia stato mai tanto grandioso quanto quello
di Macross Frontier. Inoltre mi sono piaciute tantissimo anche le
nuove canzoni di Sheryl, e non sono affatto contrario all'idea di
tenerla in vita per fare un duello di idol, che è stata una figata
oltre ogni dire. Tuttavia ammetto di essere in dubbio e penso che
forse avrei preferito anche un minore successo con una maggiore
consistenza; piegarsi al pubblico tende ad avere un suo costo. Adesso
non posso fare altro che aspettare il film per una storia che abbia
una sceneggiatura consistente da cima a fondo.
FV

di Macross Frontier. Inoltre mi sono piaciute tantissimo anche le
Una certa serie Gainax del 2007 ha un finale ancor piu' epico...
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 all'altro il bastoncino corto.
Se quello corto e' una rori si puo', almeno Sheryl non comporta quel 
genere di problemi ;P
-- 
Alex Halman (che sta provando Thunderbird 2.0)

 soffrire! ^^;
Quando la vedo per terra sotto la pioggia mentre vagava per la citta' mi 
aspettavo pure che le cagasse in testa un piccione ;^^
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 Alla faccia dell'otaku! O_o
Mr. Birla e' un idolo! XDDD la trollata maxima di Frontier! XD
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 Una certa serie Gainax del 2007 ha un finale ancor piu' epico...
1) Grandezza fisica non è epicità.
2) I buoni diventano i cattivi alla fine, che è una cagata. Ci sarebbe
una spiegazione ancora più elaborata ma lascio perdere.
3) Se per finale parliamo degli ultimissimi minuti penso che molte
altre persone li troverebbero deludenti per quello che succede ai
personaggi. Già si parla male del finale di Escaflowne, ma vuoi
mettere con Gurren Lagann?
FV

mettere con Gurren Lagann?
In realta' mi riferivo all'ultima battaglia. Il finale finale di GL ha
lasciato un po' di amaro in bocca anche a me. La differenza e' che
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 Alla faccia dell'otaku! O_o
Beh, ma in fondo, esiste un motivo migliore? ;)
Non č certo estraneo all'autore come tema, se pensi al padre di Allen in
Escaflowne... e io la penso un po' come Dryden in fondo ;)
Detto questo, mi defilo, visto che del Frontier nel suo complesso ho una
scarsissima considerazione (Una delle varie cose che me l'ha fatto
detestare č stato l'episodio di Ozma: penso che una persona che ha davvero
rispetto dei suoi precedenti lavori non avrebbe messo *proprio Try Again*
come sottofondo di una strage di Vajra...)