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Titolo: Rozzo lingua assitenza Per piacere: Lingua Inglese

Hi all,
I wonder if you can help me. I am going to Mauritius in a few days to go 
diving with my friend Emanuele. I need some rude salutations and comments 
to impress him with. I only know one or two.
I would like: 
1. Rude greetings 
2. Things to say when I am pleased or not pleased with something he has 
done or cooked or the way the dive went etc.
As you can imagine my teaching books are not very good at such phrases!!
I am glad the Bologna meeting was a success!
Happy Christmas & New Year to you all!
Please excuse my lack of Italian (I am learning slowly!)
Funny Italian Version (machine translated)
Versione divertente di Italin (tradotta dall'ordinatore)
Ciao tutti,
Mi domando se potete aiutarli. Sto andando in isola Maurizio in alcuni 
giorni andare immersione con il mio amico Emanuele. Ho bisogno di alcuni 
salutations ed osservazioni rude di impressionarlo con. Conosco soltanto 
uno o due. Gradirei:  
1. Saluti rude 2. 
Le cose per dire quando sono con somthing pleased o non pleased lui ho
fatto o cucinato o il modo il tuffo sono andato ecc.
Come potete immaginare i miei libri di istruzione non sono molto buoni
a tali frasi!!
Sono felice la riunione de Bologna ero un successo!
Natale felice & nuovo anno a voi tutto!
Scusi prego la mia mancanza di italiano (sto imparando lentamente!)
-- 
Chris Notton
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    Hi Chris!
    I hope to have understood what you have in mind. But, it
urges to me to say that our folks and - consequently - the
psychologies of our languages are.... slightly different, to say
the less. For example, "Hey Bastardo" implies - generally
speaking - some degree of confidence and friendship; otherwise
you may be misunderstood. Furthermore, in southern Italy, this is
one of the hardest offences you can utter (there are some
others!) but, on the other hand, "bastardo" is sometimes used
among close friends (as before I am referring to some zones in
southern Italy because the word is seldom used elsewhere). To
summarise, pay attention to the context and the real kind of
relationship you have; that one only crosses every language
barrier and can be taken as a reliable guide.
    "O pelato" means "Hey bald one" and as I can remember is
never used unless... your friend is bald, so it holds what I
wrote few lines above ;) In any case unless you friend is bald,
this is never used as greeting, be it rude or not. You can use:
"Ciao, vecchiaccio" ("Hey, old one" or something similar in
                                     English, very informal)
"Come te la passi?" ("How are you?", very informal)
"Felice di vederti" ("Nice to meet you", very informal)
It may be a poor and a bit "formal" choice, I am aware, but this
is a matter of personality because I am an extremely shy guy ;)
But I can say that Italians are not so "uniform" as English
speaking folks, and this makes difficult to find suitable
"rude-but-without-unexpected-side-effects" words in addressing
people. To give an idea, there are villages in southern Italy in
which a form of ancient Greek is still spoken, and the influence
of the Mediterranean world is well alive. In northern Italy is
different and - generally speaking - you may pay less attention.
In any case, if your friend comes from Toscana you may feel more
or less free because the people there appreciate a - sometimes
"too" - rude sense of humour. To summarise, in some respects you
are faced with a variety of folks with different customs so...
much depends upon where your friend comes from! [chiarisco che mi
sento italiano e sto solo dicendo quella che credo essere la
realtà delle cose, che non ha NULLA di negativo per nessuno]
    On the other hand, the rest you want to know is a very simple
matter because we are moving toward a common ground, as for
Italians. Here the key phrase.
"che casino" ("what a mess")
"che gran casino"  ("what a bloody mess")
The above are useful and can be used nearly always, ranging from
the most rude context to a nearly formal one.
As for "do you call THAT well done!" there is a great variety of
possibilities. For example:
"[guarda] che [cazzo] hai combinato!" - The term "cazzo" means
"cock" and is optional to make the statement a bit more
impressive. The term "guarda" is also optional and means "look
at", to emphasize the effect. "combinato" is the past participle
of "combinare" and means more or less "to do something" but with
a strong "messy" flavour.
"[guarda] che [cazzo] fai!" - Lit. "[look at] what [cock] are you
doing!" but to be pronounced *without* interrogative intonation;
continuous tense, i.e. when the action is still in progress and -
I can guess - you are trying to stop it ;))))) It covers well the
semantic dimension of "do you call THAT well done!".
"[guarda] che [cazzo] hai fatto!" - The same as above; past
tense, when the action is done and - unfortunately, I can guess -
you couldn't stop the mess.
If you need/want to be sarcastic (also in a formal context) you
may use for example "bel capolavoro hai combinato" (lit. "you
have done a nice masterwork") or something similar. Formally
speaking this is perfectly polite but - as it happens in similar
circumstances - it may have a sort of H-bomb effect that -
personally speaking - I appreciate very much.
    So, I think that you may cover 98% of the situations.
    Hope that helps.
    Best regards and have nice dives.
    C.
PS - Sorry for my bad "self-learned" English, but hope to be
understood.

 urges to me to say that our folks and - consequently - the
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Anche se cambia lingua, il nostro preistorico è sempre sintetico :-)))))
Abbiamo trovato il modo di cacciare gli invasori stranieri dal suolo
italico: basta fargli rispondere da Corrado
Ih, ih, ih
saluta Brunilde
U-59


    Lo mismo te digo!
    Trist'ano ;)))))
PS - E' vero, non ho il dono della sintesi, ma senza il computer
non esisterei. Mi piace da matti scrivere perché in un certo
senso si "inventa" sempre ogni volta un proprio mondo e....
quello reale mi fa in media così schifo, con tutte le meschinità
di tanta gente, che per descrivere quanto mi disgusta non trovo
le parole adatte. Per tua provvidenzale fortuna, sospetto che
aggiungeresti ;))))))
PPS - se a bordo servisse la mia presenza come "arma
psicologica", che so, facendo diffondere i miei comunicati tra le
linee nemiche, sono disponibile. Però, occorre un aereo che possa
lanciare volantini di almeno 1200 pagine l'uno. Fai tu la
richiesta alla Luftwaffe?

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Interessante. Altro esempio:
Nel Veneto qualcuno potrebbe dire:
"vaca mastea che caca de paltò" (perbacco che bel cappotto!).
Col traduttore automatico veneto-italiano diventa:
"mucca tinozza che fece di pastrano".
E in inglese sempre col traduttore automatico:
"cow trough that it made of overcoat".
Ora ritraduco in italiano: 
"depressione della mucca che fece della mano protettiva".
Torniamo al veneto: 
"smonamento de vaca che tartìa de fondo" 
usbi

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That is just what I wanted. Thank you so much guys.
The Ola Pelato! is particularly good as we are both at that "certain age" 
where men become sensitive about how much hair they have ;-))!
I will try and say hi! to the fish in Italiano this time.
Funny Italian version:
Quello è giusto che cosa ho desiderato. Grazie così tanto tipi. Il Ola 
Pelato! è particolarmente per quanto siamo buoni entrambi a quell' età 
del "certain " dove gli uomini diventano sensibili circa quanti capelli 
hanno;-))! Proverò e dirò ciao! ai pesci in Italiano questo volta.
Pip pip
-- 
Chris Notton
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