Newsgroup: it.politica.ulivo
Titolo: Albania in rivolta - news 31 marzo sera

Da "Albania in rivolta" - 
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/9720
31 marzo 1997, sera
"Si sono suicidati" - Il portavoce del Capo di Stato Maggiore della
Marina ha apportato questa sera una decisiva modifica alla linea
adottata dalla Marina italiana rispetto alla strage del Canale
d'Otranto. Non si sarebbe trattato di un incidente, come in precedenza
aveva affermato la Marina, ma di una deliberata manovra
dell'imbarcazione albanese, che si sarebbe buttata contro la nave
italiana (le cui dimensioni, va notato, erano di 30 volte superiori
rispetto a quella albanese). Il portavoce ha addirittura ventilato la
possibilità di un "malore attivo" di chi guidava l'imbarcazione
albanese, o di una sua improvvisa follia, affermando poi con dispetto
che si dà ascolto alle versioni rilasciate dagli albanesi e non si
crede ai marinai italiani (da "Radio Popolare di Milano"). Il capo di
Stato Maggiore della Difesa, Ammiraglio Venturoni, in riferimento a
quanto avvenuto venerdì scorso nel Canale d'Otranto e alle successive
reazioni degli albanesi ha affermato in serata che "è dovere
dell'Albania creare le condizioni per essere aiutata", minacciando che
"altrimenti sarà difficile dare corso agli aiuti come era stato
preventivato". Le testimonianze dei profughi che hanno perso mogli e
figli nella strage sarebbero inattendibili, secondo Venturoni, perché
"tra i naufraghi ci sono gli organizzatori del viaggio che danno
versioni a loro utili" (da "Televideo"). La rete televisiva Raidue ha
mostrato alle 20.30 immagini dell'ambasciata italiana a Oslo, in
Norvegia, coperta di scritte come "Assassini" e "Ammazzate i
profughi". Secondo quanto riportato da Raidue l'ambasciata è stata
anche "oggetto di un lancio di sassi a opera di teppisti". Infine, il
Papa ha espresso oggi il suo sostegno all'intervento militare
straniero in Albania, dichiarando la propria "solidarietà a chi porta
aiuto e contribuisce a ristabilire l'ordine e la stabilità sociale".

versioni a loro utili" (da "Televideo").
 
	Things that demonstrates how the poster is so politically biased
	that, in the end, is almost blind - I state this because our Admiral
	is perfectly right when it says that "between the refugees" there are the
	"organizers" of this kind of thing, who asked money to drive a
	_stolen_ ship to the other side of the Adriatic Sea; clearly these people
	are  interested in avoid responsabilities. BTW It is nice to 
	see how the name of our Capitan is well known, while the world
	does not know the name of the Albanian who decided to drive
	a 21 meters ship, with more than 100 people on board,
	moved by high and noble ideals of freedom and justice i.e.
	the money collected by some desperates that decided to took their chances.
	Best Regards,
	CDD

	CDD
Propro best?

aiuto e contribuisce a ristabilire l'ordine e la stabilitą sociale".
Tale intervento sarebbe stato auspicabile prima d'ora - morti e
potenziali dilinquenti - gente diseredata ed allo sbando altro non
puo' diventare - si sarebbero in buona misura scongiurati.
- Origin: Meglio tardi che mai. 
Ciao
Luigino Ferrari
lu...@easy1.easynet.it

 potevi rispondere in italiano, no?
Well, you are posting on soc.culture.albanian!  I think it's not
terribly polite to post in Italian on a non-Italian newsgroup!
(actually I think even soc.culture.italian should be an English-posting
newsgroup, but they all use Italian).
ciao!
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per L. Ferrari:
potenziale dilinquente sarai tu.
To readers of soc.culture.albanian:
please have a compassionate attitude towards the author quoted above (L.
Ferrari).  He's not mean, he's just a bit right-wing.
(if don't understand Italian, you didn't miss anything)
Mirupafshim,
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lu...@easy1.easynet.it

pagano una fame i lavoratori albanesi (e tutti quelli dell'Est)
 
	Oh gosh! Do you know what is the real Mafia?
	Mafia makes people disappear and it is even difficult
	to find their corpses (Lupara Bianca - "white gun" used
	when somebody has to disappear but no "example" should
	be given, Lupara Bianca is used from Mafia to kill
	other MAfiosi who commited a "sgarro" i.e. violated the rule).
	Mafia can make a judge blow up with all the escort (happened
	twice: targets P.R. Giovanni Falcone and, later P.R. Borsellino).
	Mafia imposes "taxes" to shopkeepers and even kill them
	if they do not pay (not with Lupara Bianca but with a
	standard execution in order to put fear on the other victims).
	So, Do you think that the Italian Government will kill
	you if you do not pay taxes? If this is true then you
	can call the Italian Government (I use this to transalate "Stato")
	a Mafia, otherwise not. Given that in the Est Europe there
	are government with strong bounds with "real" Mafia
	you are simply confusing readers that could even think that
	we are back to the political situation of Sicily in 1960-70,
	only that this time all Italy is involved.
	Is it true? No, so please use the word with care.
	The rest of the post allows me to think that probably the readers
	of this belongs to a political area which was a minority
	in our last election. He can have all the opinions he wants
	about Economic and or Albanian or etc.. etc.. I will
	keep mine, at the general election all people vote
	and the side who has got more vote wins.
	However It is interesting to notice that, on the Albanian problem,
	the government lost the support of RC (Communist Party around 8%)
	but gained the support of all the opposition
	North League excluded - making some addition one
	can even infere that the attitude of the government
	toward the refugees is shared by the vaste majority of the Italian.
 
	Actually, maybe the attitude between the lay-people 
	toward the Albanian is actually worse. Throw in Italy
	without control another huge number of Albanian (an ethnical
	group from which one out of two is prosecuted for criminal
	offence - this is official data of the Criminalpol),
	as the bleeding hearts of the left wing wants, and then
	it is almost sure that _strong_ "social tensions" will
	be triggered.
	Best Regards,
	CDD
 
	[*] note, some still exist, like for example "L'UNITA'"
	but apparently they manage to sell enough copy to survive
	in a decent way. What I want to say is that thing like
	"L"AVANTI" of the '80 are disappeared.

(if don't understand Italian, you didn't miss anything)
You mean that all the readers of soc.culture.albania are on the 
left-wing? I think it's not so, may be what is good here is the gossip
about our compatriot without he could understand the meaning of what we say. :-D
Let's incourage him in writing more posts.

arriving at your shores are potential criminals?
I think most part of the Italians are scared of an episode never happened
in their modern history, the immigration, and it happened that in Albania
the police vanished and that the jails cleaned out, so if you add these
two matters of fact you'll reach the right dimension of the isterya which
spreaded out in Italy.
We must only take the habit............
P.S.
I saw last evening on the tv that the border between Mexico and the U.S.
is strongly surveilled, and there has been a great number of victims.....

newsgroup, but they all use Italian).
Excuse my dear, but now it's very interesting to know how many
Albanians are on line and how many of them know the english.
Albanians, SHOW YOURSELF, make your presence visible.

 Albanians, SHOW YOURSELF, make your presence visible.
Yes, of course, HERE I AM.  Before we go any further, you need to brush up
your English.
A. KOCI

potenziale dilinquente sarai tu.
Potenziali dilinquenti o nelle condizioni per poterlo diventare lo
sono tutti coloro che non avendo un lavoro ed una dimora stabili,
siano costretti a girovagare ai crocicchi delle strade, nelle
metropolitane, nei parchi e sulle piazze pubblici, senza la
possibilita' di guadagnarsi onestamente da vivere.
Per tali motivazione dato che sarei con chi la pensa in questo modo un
potenziale delinquente - come sicuramente lo sarebbero la maggioranza
degli italiani - auspico che tutti coloro che non siano in possesso di
tali requesiti - lavoro e fissa dimora - siano nel volgere di 30
giorni a spese del nostro Paese, riportati nelle loro terre d'origine.
Credo resti non una, ma la sola possibilita' - ad evitare che ai
mancati aiuti di solidarieta' - sovente nemmeno piu' alla nostra
portata, per la tanta leggerezza con cui si e' accettato di dare
ospitalita' - si aggiungano la responsabilita' di averli spinti -
nulla o poco avendo potuto fare per evitarlo - sulla strada del vizio
e della depravazione umana e sociale.
- Origin: Solo la verita' puo' aiutare a risolvere i problemi.
Ciao
Luigino Ferrari
lu...@easy1.easynet.it

Albanians, SHOW YOURSELF, make your presence visible.
Noooooooo....... Do you REALLY miss us?
-- 
I am a racist?! Is it MY fault, if YOU are Albanian?!

your English.
I agree, but if you consider that I never lived in a country of english
mother tongue, you should recognize I'm able
to make me understand, otherwise you could not answer. Don't you agree?
For the sake of truth could you point out my mistakes?
I think, for instance, you had to write "you'd need......".
I don't believe my english is so bad because you use an imperative tense.
P.S.
As we say in Italy, Rome was not built in one day.

your English.
 Who wants to know how many Albanians are on line? Many of us....
 thousands... but see, we don't waste our time on newsgroups.... we have
 our mailing lists were we talk serious matters. And besides, all of us
 know "the english".
later,
mentor

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My dear, all of you are writing from North America.......
As you can see my question has found an answer.
Did you hurt? Don't you have a little bit of comprehension for
who is going to waste, not his time, but his LIFE in Albania?
I must recognize that it could be an unseriuos matter but......

sono tutti coloro che non avendo un lavoro.......
May be he meant you should write in english, because the thread
appears also on soc.culture.albania.
Anyway it's in my opinion there should be both versions, english
and italian.

I am a racist?! Is it MY fault, if YOU are Albanian?!
Is it my fault that most part of the Albanians believed to have found
the way for getting money without working?
Were the racist italians to organize the oax?

	offence - this is official data of the Criminalpol),
Where did you get this absurd "official" data? Frome the "Padania"?
Come on, cite exactly your source, you seem very worried about my
sources, why you are not about yours? It is disgusting to read such
things from an Italian, the "noble" nation which invented fascism,
mafia and Umberto Bossi. Albanian are people as everybody else: The
only thing is that they are poorer than Italians - not because they
are worse, but simply because they didn't lick the ass (I beg your
pardon) of Germany, before, and USA governement  for 50 years after.
Anyhow, its not my job to defend Albanians. I hope some of them here
will do it.
Summary: you didn't answer my post, apart from a couple of completely
wrong remarks. You do not know anything about newspapers and Italian
reality. You should check your knowledge of Italian. And, in the end,
if you do not want to discuss, why are you posting here?

 I am a racist?! Is it MY fault, if YOU are Albanian?!
No it is not. I am just sorry for you.