Newsgroup: it.news.net-abuse
Titolo: SPEWS: S1003

 wrote:
  >
  >> I will contact the owner of this site regarding the spam complaints.    
  >> Let me know if you receive any more.
  >Here it is. I kept your reply because I know this spammer would not
  >stop, he is a professional and I remember him spamming since years.
  >
[follows a long batch of spammed usenet articles]
I can provide both messages on request.
I think it's quite evident that your abuse desk was informed about
these multiple spamming incidents, but it did not shut down the sites.
Just yesterday I received a message from your upstream 
cogent.com
 with
text:
  The sites marked in your complaint below have been removed by our
  customer  
And I can confirm that the three domains used in that spam run have been
disabled (
videosexgratis.com
, 
sesso-porno.com
, 
mogliputtane.com
), but
there is a long list of other sites run by the same spammer which are
still active and which have been spam-advertised today:
pompini-house.com
adolescentitroie.com
moglitroie.com
ragazzeputtane.com
rapportiorali.com
sessooo.com
bocchinare.com
rapporti-anali.com
bocchinigratis.com
videosexgratis.com
vergini.net
sesso-porno.com
filmatisesso.com
segretarietroie.com
culisfondati.com
donneesesso.com
vogliadifiga.com
fotosexgratis.com
pompini-bocchini.com
troie.net
succhiacappelle.com
sorche.com
sesso-sex.com
sesso-sex-porno-hardcore.com
sessodibocca.com
sessohardcore.com
rapporti-orali.com
troie-pompini-scopate.com
succhiatrici.com
orgogliogay.com
bocchino-bocchini.com
puttanoni.com
sesso-anale.net
verginissime.com
porno-dive.com
rotteinculo.com
mogliputtane.com
ragazzevergini.com
esex-gay.com
ragazzifroci.com
video-gay-xxx.com
filmatigay.com
ragazzetroie.com
rapportianali.net
sex-sesso.com
(This list is probably incomplete, these are just the sites I know
about.)
When do you plan to terminate all sites owned by this professional
spammer?
-- 
ciao, |
Marco | * The Internet is full. Go away.  -- Joel Furr *

 these multiple spamming incidents, but it did not shut down the sites.
I know that these sites below that we received a spam complaint on
have already been terminated.
videosexgratis.com
sesso-porno.com
mogliputtane.com
pompini-house.com
mogliputtane.com
If you have gotten spam from other sites hosted by Reliablehosting,
please forward the spam to 
ab...@reliablehosting.com
 so that we can
take action on those.  Granted we should have handled your original
complaint back in January better.  At that time we were still
developing our no-spamming policy.

On 17 Jul 2002 23:08:43 -0700, 
da...@reliablehosting.com
(Reliablehosting) wrote:
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Six months and the sites are still up? What happen to the original
complaints? Maybe if someone besides Dave Null was reading your abuse
email back in January you would not be here today!
It took you six months to develop your 'no-spamming policy", I hope
spews takes six months to develop your "delisting policy"! After all!
You do want to be fair don't you?
Regards,
NoLegs

developing our no-spamming policy.
So you admit that spam was a problem more recent than 10 months ago and 
that those problems continue to date (yesterday?)  
Hopefully now you understand why you continue to be listed in SPEWS.  I 
don't know how SPEWS gets all their information, but their thoroughness 
continues to impress me.  Simply getting rid of a couple of token domains 
will not do the trick.  If spam continues to hit their traps advertising 
domains in your netblocks, you will continue to be listed.  
I'd consider the list marco provided to be a good start.  Once all those 
domains, and the domains listed in NANAS associated with your netblock are 
terminated, perhaps you'll come back and apprise us of this development and 
SPEWS will deem it fit to delist your netblocks.  
Until then, I wish you good luck and find it refreshing that you have come 
to the realization that spammer hosting is not a long term money making 
venture but instead a torpedo for a web hosts' future
-Mike
-- 
Mike vanMeeteren  mailadmin [at] fastec [dot] com
Lumber Cartel #2047 (tinlc) Printing Ink Division (tinpid)
*do not send mail to address in header, it is a spamtrap!*

 
mogliputtane.com
Yet sadly, 
www.realprivateteens.com
, 
www.den-of-sex.com
, &
www.eroticadominicana.com
 are not included in this list, even though they
committed exactly the same AUP violations, & are still on your system
today.
Rob
-- 
Black Sheep of Nanae
http://www.cartooney.org/blkshp1.jpg
"Baa spammer, baa."
*whack!*

California.net, both are owned by the same parent company.
-- 
Want SPEWS-filtered and SBL-filtered email?
http://www.spamblocked.com/index.html
Fight spam! Help Joey McNichol!
http://t3-v-mcnicol.ilaw.com.au/

On 17 Jul 2002 23:08:43 -0700, 
da...@reliablehosting.com
(Reliablehosting) wrote:

Seems simpler just to terminate the whole block and te vermine who has
continues to host them all inspite of repeated complaints...eg
reliablehosting.
I really am amazed that you have the guall to post here peddling
excuses and promises given your long history.
William R. James

On 17 Jul 2002 23:08:43 -0700, 
da...@reliablehosting.com
(Reliablehosting) wrote:

You are a liar.  These were all reported on the dates mentioned. 
May 28 2002
www.realprivateteens.com
  216.131.80.231   STILL ACTIVE !
Trying 216.131.80 at ARIN
Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
   2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D
May 15 2002
http://216.131.86.161/Ads/DVD/dvd.swf
   STILL ACTIVE !
Trying 216.131.86 at ARIN
Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST) RBLHST
      216.131.64.0 - 216.131.127.255
June 19 2002
xxxx.com
 resolves to 216.131.110.169       STILL ACTIVE !
 
www.xxxx.com
 resolves to 216.131.110.169
     Mail for 
xxxx.com
 is handled by 
mail.xxxx.com
 (0) 127.0.0.1
Trying whois -h 
whois.arin.net
 216.131.110.169
     Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
        2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D 
        South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150 
        US
June 14 2002
vcd1.com
vcd1.com
 resolves to 216.131.106.216        STILL ACTIVE !
Trying whois -h 
whois.arin.net
 216.131.106.216
     Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
        2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D 
        South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150 
        US
June 14 2002
www.den-of-sex.com
                             STILL ACTIVE !
www.den-of-sex.com
 resolves to 216.131.101.99
Trying whois -h 
whois.arin.net
 216.131.101.99
     Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
        2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D 
        South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150 
        US
June 12 2002
www.filmatisesso.com
                          STILL ACTIVE !
www.filmatisesso.com
 resolves to 216.131.113.133
Trying whois -h 
whois.arin.net
 216.131.113.133
     Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
        2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D 
        South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150 
        US
May 7 2002
www.mistressdaniela.com
 resolves to 216.131.73.84     STILL ACTIVE !
Trying whois -h 
whois.arin.net
 216.131.73.84
     Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
        2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D 
        South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150 
        US
April 29 2002
highschoolseniors.net
 resolves to 216.131.80.246      STILL ACTIVE !
Trying whois -h 
whois.arin.net
 216.131.80.246
     Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
        2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D 
        South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150 
        US
April 15 2002
www.jills.org
 resolves to 216.131.70.88          STILL ACTIVE !
Trying whois -h 
whois.arin.net
 216.131.70.88
     Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
        2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D 
        South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150 
        US

What about your customer 
oakweb.com/california.net
 then?
And the answer is:


You are a liar.  These were all reported on the dates mentioned.
He's not a liar, or at least not for what you accuse him.  Probably in a
rush to answer you read badly his post.
Look better at the "these sites BELOW"  (and not ABOVE AND BELOW).
 
-Stefano

 wrote in message
news:3D372B2B...@interfree.it...

I read it as being those were the only sights he claimed to have
received spam on, and was asking if there were any others.
Larry




No he is a liar for climing not to be spam friendly.  He claims that
their "policy" was being developed last january and that they haven't
intentionally harbored spammers for a while.  I noted many since then
for which they are still ignoring complaints. 
William R. James


Boy, you sure can get Tough Love here in NANAE!
--
switch net and nos to reply

received spam on, and was asking if there were any others.
Exactly.
So say he's a liar because other sites that are not in that list are
active isn't right.
-Stefano

 for which they are still ignoring complaints.
Than you have to show links to the proofs of this complaints.  Show that
the sites are active doesn't show he received complaints for that sites.
He's present and if we show him all the complaints (links not text) and
all the sites related to that complaints he could not denying anymore.
-Stefano


if you're so interested in this, why don't
*you* show him the links? i've done
so several times, in this and other
threads.
why on earth would anyone expend any more
energy showing this person the complaints
he has already ignored? i have no interest in
helping him be delisted. it's not as if this
is an otherwise good fellow asking for
assistance: this is a veteran pr0n spam host
who's feeling it in the pocketbook: good!
and who cares whether
he denies or admits anything?
adam
--

 spammer?
Alternately, when do you plan to bill the spammer at least $1 for each
individual spam message sent out from any site affiliated with your ISP,
and pay that money to the victims of the spam, so that the spammer will
realize the huge cost of spamming and decided to quit?

 You do want to be fair don't you?
Even better: Require that ISP to pay restitution to all victims of
their spam. Count the total length of time from when the spam started
until the restitution is all paid, and then wait *that* long after
that point before un-blacklisting. So if they take only one more month
to get all the restitution paid, then black-list them for seven more
months after that point (six months to stop spam, plus one month to
pay restitution). If even one spam run happens during all that time
(before restitution is completed, or during the seven additional months),
the clock is reset back to zero for waiting to be un-blacklisted,
although if they very quickly stop the new spam and very quickly pay
all the new restitution, then only that little bit of time would be
added to the seven months they must wait. Is anyone keeping track of
when each ISP started and stopped spamming? For example, Sprint started
spamming about six years ago, and I see from this report:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D371F40.53D915BE%40itctel.com
:they haven't yet stopped!!. Sprint has never paid me even one penny
of the thousands of dollars of restitution they owe me.

 wrote in message
news:3D37A048...@interfree.it...

We had a miscommunication here. What I was trying to say was, he was
called a liar by saying he hadn't received any reports on any others and
the other person/people said they had reported the others, and that they
were still active. So if the other sites had been reported earlier and
he stated they hadn't, this is why they called him a liar. Hmm, language
barriers are fun, I still don't understand English that well, been
speaking American to long.


 all the sites related to that complaints he could not denying anymore.
Many complaints have been, and probably still are being sent to his 
abuse email address, those should be sufficient.  There is no reason 
that somebody who has ignored and/or /dev/nulled abuse mail should come 
here and ask to have those complaints resent. 

We had a miscommunication here.
No, YHBT.
-- 
ciao, |
Marco |  The Italian Usenet Cabal, Abuse Department (TINC)
"It's about damn time that all of us who actually give a damn about Usenet
stand up and tell the people who don't to fuck off and die." -- Russ Allbery

well, been speaking American to long.
I'm italian, so english isn't my native language :)
(as you can see this thread is in crosspost with an italian newsgroup
about net abuse)
The problem is: he reported that the site are active, but he didn't show
him, at the same time, that they were being reported to them.
Wm James wrote that in a post that was an answer to Marco D'Itri that
show proofs of previouos spam report and that the site was been truly
closed (
mogliputtane.com
).
D'Itri stated that the list of the sites was quite longer, but didn't
show that spam report about all that sites was received by them and,
more, they said that they will be removed.
I'm not here to defend ReliableHosting and i read only the threads that
have been crossposted to the italian group.  This is the only reason
because i said that call him a liar for what he answered to D'Itri
wasn't right.
-Stefano

all the sites related to that complaints he could not denying anymore.
Nobody has to show you jack, sir. *
-- 
* PV   something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
       like corkscrews.

here and ask to have those complaints resent.
Some sites have been closed.  Not all because he said he have received
no complaints beside that ones.  So at least he have read some
complaints.  To show that he ignored some other and that he's  a liar
you don't need too much work, only few complaints, or better link to
them, shown *here* where he can't denying anymore.
-Stefano

 Nobody has to show you jack, sir. *
If you say so...
PLONK!
-Stefano



I've already done that several times.  He still ignores the complaints
as usual.  I say just leave the slezebags blocked and forget it. They
have a problem, not us. They don't want it solved, they want to keep
hosting their spammers. 
William R. James

Boy, you sure can get Tough Love here in NANAE!
I wouldn't call it love.  :)
William R. James

 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:3D37A048...@interfree.it...

Per favore, cerchiamo di non farci riconoscere...
Fabrizio (detto tra di noi...)

keep hosting their spammers.
Their choice then.  We'll see if they gain more from spammers than they
lose from SPEWS.
-Stefano

-Stefano
At this point, spews is the least of their concern. The privete lists
are hard to get off of.


 I posted a partial list arlier in this thread.
It's the same list: a list of active web site and not a list of
complaints sent to them.  With that list you show the sites are up and
running, not that he received complaints about that sites.
That's what i'm trying to say.
-Stefano



The dates are the dates of the complaints.  Feel free to check google.
All were also posted to sightings.
Wiliam R. James

All were also posted to sightings.
Ah, ok.
No probs. I trust you.
-Stefano


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:news.admin.net-abuse.sightings+insubject:reliablehosting+author:abuse%401.2.0.1.0.0.1.e.f.f.3.ip6.int&num=100&scoring=d&filter=0
All the sites I know about have been either null routed or disabled,
finally 
cogent.com
 and 
reliablehosting.com
 did the right thing.


finally 
cogent.com
 and 
reliablehosting.com
 did the right thing.
You don't know about the list which has been posted so many times it's
pointless to post again?
May 28 2002
www.realprivateteens.com
  216.131.80.231   STILL ACTIVE !
Trying 216.131.80 at ARIN
Black Oak Computers / ReliableHosting (NETBLK-RBLHST)
   2227 Lake Tahoe Blvd Suite D
 
NS1.CALIFORNIA.NET
  216.131.95.20
 
NS1.OAKWEB.COM
  63.162.57.31
That's just the first on the list.
http://216.131.86.161/Ads/DVD/dvd.swf
  Still active
xxxx.com
 Still active
vcd1.com
  Still active.
What's the point in checking the rest?  Cogent and reliablehosting
haven't done didly squat and the lying spamming sleezebags have no
intention of doing anything but continuing the abuse. 
William R. James

pointless to post again?
They shut down the sites *I* reported (about 50), I do not know about
what *you* reported.


what *you* reported.
I posted them after a Cogent paid liar posted that he was taking care
of things and their spammers were gone.  He still refuses to discuss
reliablehosting.  Apparently they pay for a lot of chicken and beer. 
Anyway, I posted the list again a bit later.  Still no response. Yet
the spammer's are still there.  
William R. James