Newsgroup: it.news.net-abuse
Titolo: [blackholes.wirehub.net] be3a.com - buongiorno.com - sitodelgiorno.com etc.

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        Fri,  7 Feb 2003 12:34:37 +0100
Date: Fri,  7 Feb 2003 12:34:37 +0100
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Dear Sirs, 
we are the team of Buongiorno Ltd, the greater newsletter email publisher in 
Europe. 
We verified that our server:
194.244.43.5
194.244.43.6
194.244.43.7
212.239.17.130
212.239.17.50
212.239.17.66
212.239.56.2
212.239.56.3
212.239.56.4
212.239.56.5
212.239.56.6
are in your blaklist.
We want to signal you that we do not make spam: we send approximatively 11 
million email per day and, with this traffic, a small number of complaints is
perfectly physiological. They can be users that forget they voluntarily
subscribe themselves to a newsletter and think to be Spam victim. 
Therefore, doing ratio between the number of complaints and the total volume of 
email sent, you will be able to find that the percentage is ridiculous.
For this reason, WE ASK YOU TO REMOVE OUR 11 EMAIL SERVER FROM YOUR BLACKLIST, 
OR TO GIVE US THE NECESSARY INSTRUCTIONS TO DO IT OURSELVES, AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE. IN ANY CASE, WE WAIT FOR AN ANSWER AT THIS EMAIL VERY FASTLY.
Thanks 
Andrea Ricco
PostMaster of Buongiorno Ltd
postm...@be3a.com
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 perfectly physiological. [snip]
"perfectly physiological"

    <-- 2 scelta
->NON ABUSARE gli "abuse desk", segnala solo lo spam e il vero netabuse<-      


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And how is your Italian?
-- 
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"You can safely ignore Kevin in order to 
maximise life's experience." --A. Loon, in alt.religion.kibology

Wirehub! Internet Abuse Handling Dept. wrote:
[...]
Kann mir das mal an einem Freitag Abend mit 7,9 Promille erklären,
was das bedeuten soll?
Nein im Ernst: führe gerade eine Diskussion im Board meines Hosters,
warum es für manche ISP nicht angenehm ist, auf blacklisten zu sein
und warum es für mich als Kunde wichtig ist, bei einem "sauberen"
ISP Kunde zu sein.
Darf ich das, was der OP geposted hat als einen "Hilferuf" verstehen
oder wurum geht es ihm?
Um Erklärung bittend
LG
Sebastian

 
SCNR
luke
fup reduced to nanae
-- 
May you do Good Magic with Perl.
             -- Larry Wall's blessing

 oder wurum geht es ihm?
This is a message from an organization called be3a/buongiorno/messagizer to
Wirehub! Internet Abuse, maintainer of the 
blackholes.wirehub.net
 blacklist.
Since this organization is very active throughout Europe (especially in Germany,
The Netherlands, UK and Italy with their Buongiorno/Messagizer domains), this
message was posted to some relevant abuse forums. Basically, we're looking for
some input and insight into other ISPs' experience with these people.
Even though we have been blacklisting their domains for years now, and their IP
ranges for a year or more, they still managed to hit our spamblocks nearly 1000
times on Friday, which means they ignore permanent fatal errors (they retry the
same addresses many times), and probably will continue to ignore them.



To: 
postm...@be3a.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 05:39:15 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [WH ticket 02080539] [
blackholes.wirehub.net
] 
be3a.com
 -
 
buongiorno.com
 - 
sitodelgiorno.com
 etc.
postm...@be3a.com
 wrote:

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The next time you shout at us, we will not reply to your message at
all. IS THAT UNDERSTOOD?
We have had plenty of spam complaints about your 
be3a.com
,
messagizer.de
, 
messagizer.co.uk
, 
messagizer.fr
, 
buongiorno.com
,
buongiorno.net
, 
buongiorno.it
 and 
sitodelgiorno.com
 mailings.
We know for a fact that these mailings do not conform to confirmed
opt-in guidelines (available from 
http://mail-abuse.org/manage.html
and 
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3098.html
).
We are convinced that a large amount of your '11 million email per
day' are unsolicited, and that a large number of email addresses on
your lists were added without permission (opt-in confirmation) from
the owners of those addresses.
Especially in the Italian anti-abuse group, there's a long history
of strong opinions voiced against your BuonGiorno and SitodelGirono
mailings, the German anti-abuse group probably does not like
Messagizer.de at all by now (and nor do we, since 
messagizer.de
 also
seems to cover The Netherlands in spam).
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+messagizer+OR+be3a.%2Bcom+OR+buongiorno.%2Bcom+OR+sitodelgiorno.%2Bcom+group:*abuse*&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&start=0&sa=N&filter=0
Moreover: you ignore bouncing email (permanent fatal errors). Even
though we have blacklisted your domains for well over a year, and
your IP addresses for about the same period of time, you still
managed to produce close to 1,000 bounces on our mailservers on
Friday, resending to the same addresses again and again and again.
You just keep on sending mail to addresses that have produced
bounces for over a year. Even though we haven't accepted a single
email for over a year, you are still trying to deliver email every
single day. In short: you just add addresses to your lists wherever
you can buy, rent or harvest them, and you never remove any.
The fact that it has taken you so long to figure out you were
blocked at all is very telling. You just pump spam into every ISP's
mailservers, and never look back to assess the damage. We are pretty
sure the number of complaints you're talking about is minimized by
the infinite size of the trashcan they are forwarded to.
Implement confirmed opt-in, or opt-out of existence. At least ours.
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 was das bedeuten soll?
Es stellt eine nahezu perfekte Selbst-Einweisung eines RFC-ignoranten
Serverbetreibers dar. Nur daß er de.alt.gruppenkasper° nicht gefunden
hat.
Gruß, Garfield
Internationales X-Post durch F'up nach dan-am aufgehoben.
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Wirehub! Internet Abuse Handling Dept. wrote:
[weird]
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Do you really expect an answer for the last 2 lines of your sig?
;-)
Sebastian

 
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+messagizer+OR+be3a.%2Bcom+OR+buongiorno.%2Bcom+OR+sitodelgiorno.%2Bcom+group:*abuse*&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&start=0&sa=N&filter=0
[snip]
I love your black-list :)
as you already wrote "they ignore permanent fatal errors", and this
really upset me, I see a lot of bounces here.
So tell them to prove they don't spam and to fix the whole mailing list
subscription system.
Have a nice day,
Gabriele Polidori
-- 
OneNET Point Trieste
via San Francesco 28/c
34133 Trieste - Italy
http://www.onenet.it/TS/

same addresses many times), and probably will continue to ignore them.
At least for some of the lists I have seen, bounces handling is left to
customers (see the envelope sender address: it's just the customer email
address).
In the past they have been quite spam-friendly and I'm sure that many of
their customers provided definitely non-opt-in addresses, and probably
many of these lists survived to the present day.
FWIW some months ago I subscribed and then unsubscribed a dummy address
from one of their lists and it has not received spam since.
And like most companies, they are lacking in the clue department...
-- 
ciao, |
Marco |  The Italian Usenet Cabal, Abuse Department (TINC)
"It's about damn time that all of us who actually give a damn about Usenet
stand up and tell the people who don't to fuck off and die." -- Russ Allbery

 Friday, resending to the same addresses again and again and again.
Yes, this is absolutely true.  Bounce processing at Buongiorno is sloppy 
or absent.  I suppose that their customers do not know that a _large_
fraction of their user base is made of undeliverables.  It would
be really nice if they could also fix that in 2003...
--
furio ercolessi
http://www.spin.it/spam/#eng

Andrea Ricco
andrea, ma vavavavav!
mk

Europe. 
I would like to writing and singing a song in english, tongue that
I've studied at the medium school l'd surely find the way to recreate
the original sound of the wonderful Beatles english. 
I would pick up a girl and - thank you to the original sound of the
wonderful Beatles english - I would conquer her, I would marry her and
together we will farrow so many much childs. So we would live until
the late age (her), while I would never die just like Highlander; but
not like Sean Connery, better like Christopher Lambert: young through
the centuries but without cut the head. 
So every night I dream my unrealizable, unreasonable, unrecognizable,
unjamestaylorable, unstatesmanlike dream come true. 
Second me (the peak of the mountain).
How you call you? 
How many years you have? 
From where come? 
How stay? 
Not to be sad: the life is a thing wonderful and I am here for make it
wonderfuler. 
Not see the my love for yourself? For force not is visible.
Not hear the sound of the my guitar?
Is play from me; 
is play for you, 
is play for we. 
Oui, je t'aime, je t'aime - yes, must to be the my girl come on the my
car that I bring vou at make one tour. 
What think of the my car? 
Is much beatiful, second me. 
 
OPPURE:
Canzone: 
How you call you?
How many years you have?
From where come?
How Stay?
Not to be sad
The life is a thing wonderful
And I am here
To make it wonderfuler 
Not hear
The sound of the my guitar?
Is played from me
Is played for you
Is played for we 
Oui,
Je t'aime
Je t'aime
You must to be the my girl
Come on
The my car
That I bring you tp make one tour 
Me and you, sons, holy, in my car, We love the sun, and the city of
Suncity 
What think of the my car
Is much beautiful second me
But you laugh
And take me for the ass
I'm not a stupid
The my heart is broken know
And the game
Is beautiful when is short 
In the light
I see the your true face
You are a toilet
I hear me sad
And I re-think at you
Like once 
Oui,
Je t'aime
Je t'aime
Must to be the my girl
Come on
The my car
That I bring you and one tour on the peak of the mountain 
(Country)
We will go to the peak of the mountain
I will go to the peak of the mountain
They will go to the peak of the mountain
Us will go to the peak of the mountain 
The Man from Japan will go to the pick of the mountain
And we will be so happy together 
(elio e le storie tese)
mk

Europe. 
andrea,
did you mean the "biggest newsletter e mail spammer" ? <g>
mk

 thenet, etc.  sitodelgiorno seems to have gone but we bounce the other
They may be gone from 
spin.it
 customers, but they are not gone from
usa.net
 customers, definitely not. Every time I check the logs of my
mailbox at 
usa.net
 I can see they keep trying the delivery of my
"daily web-site". BTW, I used to bounce their crap back to them for
month, did they get a clue?. Of course not.
They are hopeless. 
Please people, remove them from your part of Internet forever, they
don't deserve to be part of it.
-- 
ciao 
cf   

: Sender address 
rejected: Spin UCE filter: domain 
sitodelgiorno.com
 inserted 27/11/2000. 
Reason: spam 26/11/2000 
AB...@NA.NIC.IT
. 
It comes from another italian ISP, so that's clearly a user forwarding
and they could not know in advance that it was going to us.  After jan 31
it stopped.  Maybe that do now at least _some_ bounce processing,
after all.   They forgot to add Wirehub in their "no spam" list...
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Richard
-- 
To reply via email, make sure you don't enter the whirlpool on river left.
My mailbox. My property. My personal space. My rules. Deal with it.
 
http://www.river.com/users/share/cluetrain/

 option for now.
Ja aber hier in Europa sprechen wir alle sprachen... aber wir haben 
Glück das er nicht auch crosspost zu fr.tuez.les.inondateurs hatte ;)
-- 
  Steve Linford
  The Spamhaus Project
 
http://www.spamhaus.org

 Glück das er nicht auch crosspost zu fr.tuez.les.inondateurs hatte ;)
Ich bin in Europa, du bist auf einem Insel ;)
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 Ich bin in Europa, du bist auf einem Insel ;)
Ok, auf eineR Insel.
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sitodelgiorno.com
Abusive opt-out spammers.
Blacklisted them a long time ago.
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 from one of their lists and it has not received spam since.
I did the same with another address, and get no more mails,
probably because the subscribed lists were "serious" lists.
-- 
Bye by V.

fr.tuez.les.inondateurs
Das hört sich aber sehr martialisch an. Die werd ich mir gleich mal 
abonnieren.
Gruss, Werner
-- 
Morver, der Rollstuhl fuer kranke Windows-Newsreader und fuer OE.
Aktuelle Version 1.0.305: 
http://werner.jakobi.bei.t-online.de/

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From: Alexis Helcmanocki <ahelcmanocki at uongiorno dot fr>
To: 
ab...@abuse.wirehub.net
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:21:10 +0200
Subject: [WH ticket 04110721] Blacklisting enquiry, advices needed please
Dear sirs,
 
I am the new CEO for Buongiorno France. Our business is e-mailing, with 3
different types of clients :
1/ We deliver thematic newsletters to more than 3M opt-in subscribers in
France
2/ We provide fortune 500 companies (DHL, Lycos, Alitalia..) e-mailing
ASP services so that they can send newsletters and e-mails to their own
subscribers
3/ We provide Wireless Carriers (Vodafone, ORange, I-mode..) value added
services like picture messaging that use SMTP protocol
These business are run centrally by the 6 Buongiorno subsidiaries in
Europe (Italy, France,UK, Germany, Austria, and Spain). That means we
share the same IP for all the countries, load-balancing mode. We close a
50 MUSD revenue and we count 320 people.
 
I contact you today to get help and advices from you, since it appears
that we are blaklisted by your services.
 
Being new in the company, I have no clear picture of spam history from
you. Obviously we need to improve the quality of our job, it is not
tolerable for a key player like us to have any black-list history at all.
 
The steps taken on our side are the following, I approach them by
business line since the issues are not the same :
 
1/ Business of owned buongiorno newsletters delivery : we are 100%
opt-in, the users come to our website 
www.buongiorno.fr
 to subscribe to
the newsletters they want to receive. At sign-in, a welcome e-mail is
send to double-check the subscription. Then each e-mail we send is signed
by us and includes an unsubscribe link. Also, we have a Customer Care
service that answers the e-mails in 72H maximum, I personnally check that
myself. The customer care (1 person full-time) also answers opt-in
history queries either from the subscribers themselves, from regulatory
bodies like CNIL, or from external independant anti-spam bodies like you.
 
=> On this business, my question is the following, since I think that we
do a good job : do you have an history of spam complaint by users that we
can manage, can you send us the spam complaints you receive so that we
manage them properly ?
 
2/ Business of third-parties ASP list management : in this business we do
our best to control the opt-in quality of our client's lists. Now, some
of them were obviously opt-out and not opt-in. So we askd those lists
owners either to implement a full re-optin approach, or we break the ASP
contract with them. Today we have lost 3 big client that were pushing a
lot of e-mails per day, but were doing a messy job. That means we lost
revenues in a the fly to quality that we are implementing.
 
=> On this business, my question is : do you observe a better job (ie
less spam complaints) on our side since the first days of april. If
not, please help us enforcing our opt-in policy towards our list-owners
in transfering us all the spam complaints.
 
In a nutshell, since I took that comany in charge a few weeks ago, I took
strong measures to ensure and improve our quality levels, with as an
objective to have the lowest spam complaint ratio on the market by end of
Q2. That is obviously a big cost for us, with less revenues since we lost
their party ASP clients.
 
I would really appreciate an help from you, in :
* Answering my questions 1/ and 2/ above
* De-blacklist us so that we can start sending our newsletters again
* Keep us posted of the spam complaints, you can send them to me
personnally.
 
For you to know, we now receive receive complaints from subscribers that
ask us why they do not receive their newsletters. I really need to secure
my readershipo, that is the company's biggest asset besides its people.
 
I really look forward to read from you soon.
 
Best regards
 
Alexis Helcmanocki
________________________________________
Alexis HELCMANOCKI
CEO, Buongiorno France
Leader in Interactive and Mobile Services
10 Bd des Batignolles. 75017 PARIS
Tel: 
+33 (0)1 55 06 55 50
Fax: 
+33 (0)1 42 94 06 16
mobile: +33 (0)6 63 300 400
ahelcm...@buongiorno.fr
www.buongiorno.fr
 
 
Alexis
_________________________________________
Alexis HELCMANOCKI
PDG, Buongiorno France
Leader in Interactive and Mobile Services
10 Bd des Batignolles. 75017 PARIS
Tel: 
+33 (0)1 55 06 55 50
Fax: 
+33 (0)1 42 94 06 16
mobile: +33 (0)6 63 300 400
ahelcm...@buongiorno.fr
www.buongiorno.fr
 
 
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 Being new in the company, I have no clear picture of spam history from you.
Plenty of history here. Obviously, a lot will have to change to
remove Buongiorno/Messagizer/Be3a from our lists.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=1d584v8p70kl53dkr3sdc32pcqosoe433p%40thor.wirehub.nl&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D1d584v8p70kl53dkr3sdc32pcqosoe433p%2540thor.wirehub.nl
Italian abuse forum:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=20020630.212226.653468858.907%40vene.ws&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=3E5B8EA3.8386A656%40onenet.it&rnum=3&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=6%25815.172890%24VM3.1273674%40news.infostrada.it&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=8ub7le%241acuk%241%40ID-36255.news.dfncis.de&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=uGhw4.69735%24qv.689277%40news.infostrada.it&rnum=6&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=omow6.7542%24HF3.299749%40news.infostrada.it&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=C56v6.18818%24dJ6.1627253%40news.infostrada.it&rnum=8&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=90o0rj%243c%241%40news.unina.it&rnum=9&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=pubers8fctdvi03mpfpqc900n4ed7kr7ee%40no.spam&rnum=10&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dbuongiorno%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dit.news.net-abuse
there is much, _much_ more ..:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=buongiorno&btnG=Google+Search&meta=group%3Dit.news.net-abuse
French abuse forum:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=abkudc%24rmj%241%40wanadoo.fr&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dbuongiorno%2Bgroup:*abus*%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dabkudc%2524rmj%25241%2540wanadoo.fr%26rnum%3D1
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=so99pu46tmbl1o27h323kp0a0pbgi34fsf%404ax.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dbuongiorno%2Bgroup:*abus*%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dso99pu46tmbl1o27h323kp0a0pbgi34fsf%25404ax.com%26rnum%3D2
Loads of spam samples:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+buongiorno+OR+be3a+OR+messagizer+group:*sightings*&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&filter=0
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send to double-check the subscription.
This is where you have a problem. I just checked it. You send a
welcoming email, and then imediatly start sending the the newsletters.
That is now how it is done. You send an email that says 'We recently
received your email address at our website, if you want our newsletter
you must click here or reply to this email so that we know it was
really you that signed up.'
If they do not click or respond you never email them again. The way
your system is set up now is ripe for abuse. And no matter what your
intentions, you will become a spammer as it is designed now.
Now I gotta get through all this French and figure out how to
unsubscribe. I signed up for one newsletter and it has come three
times in the last 2 hours.

 that we manage them properly ?
Translation: "We want to listwash the damn anti-bidnizz net-nazies, so
tell us who they are!" 
Yeah, riiiiiight!
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the newsletters they want to receive. 
auauaua....great joke man!
mk