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Titolo: Kimi e miKi

Salve NG e ciao a tutti ^^ In questi giorni (che mi han pure visto alle
prese con la A) mi chiedevo una cosa:
Kimi pare sia uno dei piloti piï¿œ apprezzati in questo NG (o almeno ï¿œ
fonte di polemiche) eppure se non ha un buon volante non vuole proprio
saperne di rimanere in F1.
Miki (al secolo Michael Socciomacher) quando sente che puï¿œ andare dal
suo amico di banane (merende non sembrava il caso) Ross fa sparire
velocemente il suo mal di collo.
Non sembra anche a voi che i piloti che han vinto siano un po' troppo
restii a rischiare?
Sotto questa lettura verrebbe fuori che Kimi, seppur pilota di talento,
non vuole guidare na macchinaccia e il grande tetesco ha male al collo
su una rossa imbolsita o solo quando guida macchine imbolsite.
Se ne avete parlato me ne scuso :P Non ho nemmeno lurkato in questo
periodo ^^
Insomma, i piloti sono contro Rox? Ossia: se non mi date una macchina
figa io non corro, tanto qui per vincere mica bisogna essere piloti!
:D Spero nel Flame ^^ Diablocat


beh, parli di due piloti che hanno guadagnato fior fiori di milioni e 
milioni di dollari ed euri... 

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che però hanno portato risultati differenti....

 milioni di dollari ed euri... 
Quindi tu sei per il pilota business su cui investire? Campionato col
Briatore d'Oro come premio? :P

 essere piloti!
Lo scopo di ogni pilota con le palle, quando arriva in Formula Uno 
(generalmente con un barattolo da 15ï¿œ posto), ï¿œ quello di mettersi in 
evidenza con quello che ha, per farsi notare dai top team.
Le varie Toleman, Jordan, Minardi, Sauber, ecc. sono sempre state un 
trampolino di lancio per i piï¿œ ambiziosi, mai un punto d'arrivo.
Quando arrivi ai vertici indietro non ci torni, a meno che non sei a 
fine carriera e cerchi di raggranellare qualche altro milioncino nei 
tuoi ultimi anni.
Vale per chiunque, e non solo nello Sport.
Disgraziatamente, talvolta capita che i posti sulle vetture 
competitive siano solo due o tre.
Nel 2004, ad esempio, ce n'era uno solo.
P.S.: Ma l'H1N1 colpisce anche i felini? :-)
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Ciao.
Rox
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 P.S.: Ma l'H1N1 colpisce anche i felini? :-)
Direi che ne ho le prove :P Che botta -.-'

 "Prendo di più a star fermo un anno"
Io la interpreto "Meglio che faccio il prezioso e me la tiro che
salire su una macchina qualsiasi con un compagno di squadra qualsiasi
visto che ho preso botte"....
"che poi vado a giocare con le macchinine da Rally, se le prendo anche
li ho la scusa buona che sono all'inizio..."
Ma poi io non ho ancora capito il meccanismo del contratto di Kimi...
dove sta scritto che prende più soldi se non trova il sedile ?
Io ho capito che i soldi li prende comunque e lui ne vuole altrettanti
per abbassarsi a pilotare una F1.. non è così ?
(pensa quanti ne chiederebbe se facesse l'addetto a pulire la gabbia
degli elefanti allo zoo !!!!)

 degli elefanti allo zoo !!!!)
Qui sfondi una porta aperta, paghiamo gente socialmente inutile mille
volte piï¿œ dello spalatore di merda.
Ora immaginate un mondo senza F1 e poi un mondo dove aprite la porta e
tutto ï¿œ sotto la merda. Quale mondo scegliereste?
Mi fermo altrimenti mi scappa l'OT politico/sociale che non fa bene no
no, poi mi irrito e mi torna la febbre.... no no.....
:P
P.s. Viva gli elefanti.

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no, � per dire che non � che hanno bisogno di correre per forza, per poter 
pagare le bollette e le piccole spese... :)
imho Kimi fa bene, piuttosto che fare un campionato sempre tra gli ultimi su 
una specie di force india, meglio fare altro...
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 P.s. Viva gli elefanti.
...che, come te, detestano i topi. :-)
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 ...che, come te, detestano i topi. :-)
Detestarli? Tu non sai quanto ami i rosticini di topo! Una delizia!
Quando vuoi te li faccio assaggiare :P

 ultimi su  una specie di force india, meglio fare altro...
Allora anche Kimi sa che parlare di F1 non ï¿œ parlare di piloti, ma di
macchine.
Era questo il punto :P Siccome Rox (per esempio, ma anche altri) ama
Kimi e lo stesso Kimi si comporta facendo comprendere che la F1 ï¿œ solo
"la macchina giusta" mi chiedevo come la pensasse Rox :)
Senza nulla togliere alle posizioni di Rox sia chiaro.

 macchine.
beh, ma F1 da sempre � parlare di MACCHINE prima che di piloti. Poi ci vuole 
ALMENO un buon pilota, ma meglio un campione, per far vincere una macchina 
vincente, o meglio, un buon pilota pu� far vincere una macchina 
stra-vincente, mentre un Campione fa la differenza tra vetture con 
prestazioni equivalenti e spesso riesce a combinare qualcosa di buono anche 
su macchine discrete, ma su una macchina pessima anche un Campione non pu� 
fare granch�. La F1 � cos� fin dalla sua nascita, negli anni 50.
 

 fratello pur di arrivare primo.
Sono almeno 2 mesi che lo sostengo....
Qui i grandi campioni vengono visti come un CEO di una
multinazionale... però sono sportivi !
Checcazz....
Lo sportivo per definizione bla bla bla che ho scritto altre 150
volte.
Se fossi bravo in qualcosa, farei il possibile per migliorare, per
sfidare il mio limite...
Non è che dico... oh... cavoloni... quanto sono stato bravo, adesso
basta...
E MS se torna in F1, e Rossi se prova con la macchina e il mio vicino
che tuttissime le domeniche fa 30 Km in più in bici sono un zillione
di volte più sportivi di chi fa un discorso come quello di Kimi, e
anche di chi lo sostiene.

 :D Spero nel Flame ^^ Diablocat
Kimi ha gi� guidato 4 stagioni macchine di merda (2002-2004-2006-2009) se
mi dici che dopo questo non ne ha i coglioni pieni, allora sei fritto!
gli altri anni o ha lottato per il titolo fino all'ultimo o l'ha vinto ,
una volta ha pure fatto da secondo ad una pippa gonfiata brasiliana...
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 fare granchï¿œ. La F1 ï¿œ cosï¿œ fin dalla sua nascita, negli anni 50.
Ma fino a 18-20 anni fa, il pilota era un elemento fondamentale nella 
realizzazione della macchina. Molti Campioni storici hanno vinto anche 
senza essere piï¿œ abili nella guida, ma grazie al contributo che hanno 
dato agli ingegneri nell'ottenere una vettura piï¿œ competitiva.
Il pilota ci entrava comunque.
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 E per la gioia di Gatto, qui si scatena il Flame... :-)
Evvai dai che tiriamo avanti sino a marzo belli incazzosi ^^

 mi dici che dopo questo non ne ha i coglioni pieni, allora sei fritto!
CINQUE stagioni, CINQUE.
Dimentichi la Sauber 2001.
Non mi dire che era un esordiente, perchï¿œ non sembra piï¿œ cosï¿œ 
impossibile entrare direttamente con la macchina piï¿œ forte. :-)
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 sfidare il mio limite...
Se io fossi un pilota e tu mi affiancassi al semaforo facendo uno
sguardo sbagliato.... sarebbe subito sfida tzï¿œ.
E' che in realtï¿œ non so manco parcheggiare :(

 una pippa gonfiata brasiliana...
eh su questo capisco, essere secondi a Massa da ex campione del mondo
deve essere stata veramente dura. Sia a livello sportivo che umano.

 deve essere stata veramente dura. Sia a livello sportivo che umano.
Nulla che un congruo assegno non possa lenire....

 Nulla che un congruo assegno non possa lenire....
Lenire esatto, ma non farmelo passare del tutto.

 impossibile entrare direttamente con la macchina pi� forte. :-)
dai Rox non rompere i coglioni con Hamilton sempre in mezzo...se chiedi a
Kimi cosa si ricorda del 2001 ti dir� solo "Botto con Alesi".
Ah! era non solo esordiente, ma sotto esame con tutti gli occhi puntati
data l'inesperienza.
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 E' che in realtï¿œ non so manco parcheggiare :(
Io, invece, sono un vero FUORICLASSE!!!
Un paio d'ore fa, sotto casa mia, ho parcheggiato una Station Wagon da 
4 metri e 80, con un margine di 10 cm. per parte. Due manovre.
Che bella invenzione... la telecamera!  :-) :-) :-)
P.S.: Questo post puï¿œ sembrare OT, ma non lo ï¿œ.
Sono tutti bravi, facendosi aiutare dalle invenzioni della moderna 
tecnologia.
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 "Botto con Alesi".
Secondo me, dir�: "Telefonata di Ron Dennis".
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Ciao.
Rox
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Ce l'ho anche io ma mi ci vuole lo stesso uno spazio equivalente al
ponte di volo della Nimitz per parcheggiare, e preferibilmente non in
retro....

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Appunto, io CDM DOC "barrichellato" per Massa....
Se avessi una dignità da far riemergere non direi "prendo più soldi se
sto a bere vodka e mangiare calippi" ma cercherei la rivincita, a
costo di pagare per correre.
Ah, giusto per non perdere il filo del mio pensiero, non ce l'ho su
con Kimi perchè doveva correre in McLaren, anzi ribadisco che ne sono
sollevato... non lo avrei voluto nemmeno gratis, e se fosse arrivato
lo avrei "alonsizzato" fin dal primo momento.... che magari qualcuno
pensa che "... aspra l'uva ... "

 realizzazione della macchina.
mah... forse dimentichi le macchine di Chapman, o di Brabham / Ecclestone, o 
le ferrari cesso di Barnard (con piloti che pur erano in grado di sviluppare 
buone macchine...).

 retro....
Era una serata vicino a Natale, si andava al pub per vedere se ci fosse
GnaGna (periodo di magra che manco i 7 anni d'Egitto..) un mio amico
con la macchina nuova piï¿œ brutta del creato (multipla) fa lo sborone e
dice parcheggiando
"Senti che rumorini fa la mia macchina"
Pi.. pi.. pi..
"Mi avverte quanto sono distante dalla macchina dietro."
Pi pi pi pi pi
PIPIPIPIPIPI
TUNF
E io
"Devo averlo anche io, anche la mia mi avverte con un tunf quando sono
attaccato all'altra macchina".
Silenzio.
Grasse risate.
P.s. Niente GnaGna per noi as usual.

 pensa che "... aspra l'uva ... "
Cioè stai dicendo che non vuoi che l'unico fuoriclasse della F1 corra
nella tua scuderia del cuore?

Piuttosto, avete fatto caso che l'idea Schumacher-Mercedes ha preso
forza dopo che Raikkonen ha annunciato di prendersi un anno sabbatico?
Nel 2006 Schumacher aveva deciso di ritirarsi di fronte alla
prospettiva di avere Kimi in squadra, e ora improvvisamente sembra
preparare il rientro solo dopo che il finlandese ha levato le tende...
Sarà una coincidenza...

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Beh ma Schumacher ha paura di Raikkonen,lo sanno tutti.
PS:E' accaduta la stessa cosa con Alonso.
Lo spagnolo va in Mclaren,Raikkonen in Ferrari.
Lo spagnolo va in Ferrari,Raikkonen a spasso.

 tende... Sarï¿œ una coincidenza...
Il rientro di MSC in formula uno o ï¿œ una bufala o renderï¿œ il prossimo
campionato ancora piï¿œ indigesto al sottoscritto.
Cosa puï¿œ succedere di peggio?
Forse fotocopie della Mclaren in mano ad Alonso... e Ferrari fuori dal
campionato per scorrettezza.
MSC e il suo collo, sinceramente, mi hanno fatto scodinzolare
parecchio.

 Lo spagnolo va in Ferrari,Raikkonen a spasso.
Stai invertendo la causa con l'effetto.
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 nella tua scuderia del cuore?
Ma va ?
Vuoi dire se non voglio che il Pilota più Pilota, l'Unico, Vero,
Inossidabile, Irriducibile, Ineguagliabile, Impagabile, Irascibile,
Intrepido, L'unico per cui valga la pena di guardare la F1, Colui le
cui gesta rimarranno scolpite nei libri dell'automobilismo stia fora
dai ball ?
Si.

 Si.
Alla McLaren viene Peter Ray? Cazzarola... quasi quasi lo tifo. Rooooox
se arriva Peter Ray tifo il pilota.
Evvai! Tengo lo spazio per il poster (cit.)

 Evvai! Tengo lo spazio per il poster (cit.)
Nella convoluzione semantica ho fatto una doppia negazione, quindi ho
affermato il contrario di quello che volevo affermare....

 affermato il contrario di quello che volevo affermare....
Forse sbaglio, ma in italiano non esiste la doppia negazione.
Non voglio niente non credo voglia dire "voglio tutto".
Sbaglio?

 Stai invertendo la causa con l'effetto.
Intendevo dire che allo stesso modo di come Schumacher ha lasciato il
posto a Raikkonen,allo stesso modo Raikkonen ha lasciato il posto
Alonso.

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Non voglio (il) niente = voglio tutto o perlomeno qualcosa...
Voglio (il) niente = 0
'spe che facciamo un esempio più calzante
Gatto Blu seduto davanti a ciotola vuota
Pensiero (nuvoletta fumettosa)
"Non voglio niente"
Gatto Blu attende autotreno carico di crocchette al samone, persico e
aragosta che scarichi in prossimità

 aragosta che scarichi in prossimitï¿œ
Ot clamoroso ma mi ci ficco :P
"Vuole qualcosa signor Gatto Blu"
"No grazie, non voglio niente"
Non mi portano un bel niente altro che autotreno :P

 Sbaglio?
Comunque sono in dissidio anche all'Accademia Della Crusca...
http://forum.accademiadellacrusca.it/forum_5/interventi/654.shtml


Tsk, non vado solo alla McLaren, vado anche alla Williams, alla Lotus,
alla come-si-chiamerà-la-Renault, alla Mercedes-Brawn-Mercedes.
Intendo l'anno prossimo quando mi faccio il tour delle capitali
inglesi del motorsport,,,

 tour delle capitali inglesi del motorsport,,,
Quindi TU sei tu che ai Nemici dici No? O sbaglio? Come si scriveva
Peter Ray o Peter Rei?

 Peter Ray o Peter Rei?
Girano molte teorie ma da quando Gundam è sbarcato in Usa le
traslitterazioni anglofone sono diventate quelle ufficiali anche in
Giappone...:-/

 Alonso.
Ed entrambi non erano per nulla felici delle decisioni che li hanno
portati a "doversene" andare.
C'era un interessante articolo dietrologico sulla dipartita di MSC (e
soprattutto di quanto poco volentieri egli abbia accettato la decisione
della dirigenza) che quanto prima cerchero' di postare.
m
-- 
Ever noticed that people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? 
- Bill Hicks
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Per chi ha molto tempo da perdere un interessante articolo "dietrologico"
sulla dipartita di MSC.
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Michael Schumacher - The strange story of his retirement        
Contributed by Business F1     
Thursday, 05 April 2007  
The dramatic circumstances of the Italian Grand Prix and Michael
Schumacher�s retirement will live on for a long time. After his rival was
sidelined by a bizarre stewards� decision, Schumacher won the race and
then announced his retirement. But it was an amazing few hours, worthy of
a scripted piece of drama. BusinessF1 retraced the moves that led to that
startling finish. 
By Tom Rubython On Sunday 10th September 2006 at 3:25pm, precisely the
same time as Michael Schumacher passed the checkered flag to win the
Italian Grand Prix, the staff of Ferrari�s press supremo, Luca Colajanni,
started handing an A4 sheet of paper to journalists outside the team�s
motorhome. It was a one-page press release announcing the retirement of
the most successful racing driver in history, a driver at the top of his
game challenging for the world championship. Colajanni had been given
precise orders by Ferrari chairman Luca di Montezemolo about just what he
had to do and when he had to do it. 
It was strange timing, as Schumacher was about to make the announcement
himself in the winner�s press conference after the podium ceremony.
Normally press releases are handed out after an announcement has been
made, or during it � but rarely before. It takes away the point. As so it
turned out when half an hour later Schumacher found himself announcing
what everybody already knew. 
The Ferrari team�s haste to announce its driver�s retirement was indeed
bizarre. Colajanni had wanted to pre-empt the driver�s own announcement as
if to make sure there was no turning back. 
Montezemolo had exercised a strong presence in the Ferrari garage at Monza
Park all weekend. On qualifying day he hovered around the Ferrari
motorhome waving away journalists� enquiries about what was going on. On
race-day he had arrived with John Elkann, the most senior member of the
Agnelli family working at Fiat, and Sergio Marchionne, the chief executive
of Fiat. He also had Piero Ferrari in his party. One observer was
mystified at the presence of all these big guns and said: �It was as
though Luca wanted reinforcements.� But reinforcements for what? It was
soon to become clear. Although everything looked normal in the Ferrari
garage and motorhome, underneath the surface a civil war was concluding,
in Montezemolo�s favour. It had run all summer, but was finally coming to
an end. All that Montezemolo now required was for Jean Todt, the team
principal, and Michael Schumacher, the number one driver, to run up the
white flag. 
In truth no one knew what was about to happen. Schumacher didn�t want to
retire, at least not that day. And he thought he still retained enough
power to get his way. But Montezemolo had long before given him a deadline
of Monza and told him (expressly against Jean Todt�s wishes) that it was
either driving alongside Kimi R�ikk�nen in 2007 � or retirement.
In a previous age no one had dared tell Michael Schumacher what to do. He
had been king of Formula One for 12 years and for half of them was easily
the sport�s most powerful man, eclipsing even Bernie Ecclestone. 
Montezemolo hated this situation and had also come to resent Jean Todt�s
role in the Michael Schumacher show. He took the Enzo Ferrari view that
drivers were employees who performed at the behest of their employers.
Todt on the other hand took a collegiate view; the top people at the team,
including Schumacher, were his close friends and far from being his
employees. 
But there is no doubt that this combination of opposing management styles
got the job done. And for that reason each had tolerated the other. 
Only once before in the 11 seasons that Schumacher had been a Ferrari
driver, in 1999, had Montezemolo insisted on getting his way.
Officially, of course, none of the above occurred. The official line was
that Schumacher had simply decided to retire many months before and that
Ferrari had signed R�ikk�nen to take his place, end of story. In fact,
Todt suggested anyone who thought any different was �stupid�. 
Everyone, then, is stupid. 
There was clearly tension between Todt and Montezemolo that weekend in
Monza. On Friday and Saturday, there had been an uneasy peace as both men
went about their business. Then, on race-day, with less than 15 minutes to
the start, Montezemolo broke away from Ferrari on the grid and went up to
R�ikk�nen�s car. He leaned over the cockpit and gave a thumbs-up sign, as
if indicating that all was going to plan. It was a strange action to
pursue with his team�s close competitor at Ferrari�s home race. 
After Schumacher�s race victory, Montezemolo was delirious with joy and,
flanked by Elkann and Marchionne, in the full glare of television, he
embraced Jean Todt and kissed him. But as Montezemolo kissed him Italian
style and threw his arms around his shoulders, Todt quickly turned away.
It resembled the scene in �The Godfather Part III� when Michael Corleone
embraces his brother Fredo whilst whispering his death sentence. 
Then it was Michael Schumacher�s turn. After being pecked by Montezemolo,
he too resisted his boss�s celebratory embraces and looked blankly over
his shoulder. For Montezemolo, as he embraced the two men he knew the
press release signalling his victory was being handed out to journalists. 
It was now clear to insiders that Montezemolo had won his internal battle
with Todt to turn R�ikk�nen�s option into a firm contract drive for
Ferrari in 2007. And it was clear that Schumacher�s ultimatum of
�R�ikk�nen�s or me� had been ignored. 
It was a battle Montezemolo had been determined to win. Six years earlier,
to give the team the very best chance of winning, he had wanted to hire
Mika H�kkinen as team-mate to Schumacher. But he had been blocked by the
twin powers of Schumacher and Todt. This time he was determined to
prevail. He wanted R�ikk�nen, and if that meant Schumacher�s departure,
then so be it. And he also made it clear he was not prepared to carry on
paying Schumacher his US$45 million a year in his twilight years. In any
case that money was no longer available, it had been allocated to
R�ikk�nen in a deal skilfully negotiated by the driver�s manager David
Robertson. 
In truth Schumacher was not simply being pushed out of Ferrari, he was not
prepared to carry on under the terms that were being offered. So he
reluctantly decided to retire. And in any event it was good timing � he
was going out at the peak of his powers. 
Naturally, in the circumstances, the two press conferences, first for TV
and then for the press were sad affairs. Schumacher was very morose. He
clearly saw no happiness in retirement. But he played the company line and
did not vent any feelings of being pushed out. That was not Schumacher�s
way. And the timing of the press release before his own announcement had
given him no room for manoeuvre. It was done on the express orders of
Montezemolo to ensure that he, and not Schumacher, was setting the agenda.
 
The sense of despair from Schumacher was obvious. He is the one driver on
the grid who genuinely loves Formula One. He lives and breathes it. Whilst
some other multiple world champions have rushed into retirement, he seemed
set to drive on into his 40s. He was clearly not ready to retire after 16
seasons of racing, nearly double the average career span and equalling the
career of Ricardo Patrese. 
But at the age of 37, he found, like many others, that as far as
Montezemolo was concerned he was past his sell-by date. As Schumacher�s
long-time manager, Willi Weber, woefully observed in a passing comment to
a journalist at Monza: �Michael found he no longer has the power he
thought at Ferrari.� So Schumacher�s retirement was just as controversial
as his entry into the sport at the Belgian Grand Prix in first practice on
Friday 23rd August 1991. 
The countdown for Schumacher�s demise had begun on 25th August 2005 when
R�ikk�nen signed a one-year option which gave Ferrari the right, within a
certain time period, to employ him, at a salary of around US$45 million,
for three years from 2007 to 2009 with options to renew beyond that. The
option price had never been confirmed but was rumoured around the paddock
to be US$5 million. 
Everybody knew that the drivers� market was headed for a shake-up in 2007.
It became clear that the contracts of the three best drivers in the world,
Schumacher, R�ikk�nen and Fernando Alonso were all expiring at the same
time � at end of 2006. It was a unique event in Formula One history and
meant that all three could be driving at different teams in 2007. In
normal circumstances one or two of the top drivers might be out of
contract at the same time, but never three. However, in truth nobody
expected any of the three to move from their incumbent teams. Schumacher
was an absolute fixture at Ferrari and showing no sign of retiring. Alonso
was winning everything at Renault so why would he move, especially as
Flavio Briatore, the Renault team principal, was his manager? And
R�ikk�nen, despite coming to the end of his contract, had options for the
future and really nowhere else to go. 
And that was how it looked in the summer of 2005 as R�ikk�nen�s manager,
David Robertson, and McLaren Mercedes team principal, Ron Dennis, sat down
to discuss the Finnish driver�s future. It was to be the first of the big
driver negotiations for 2007.
As far as Robertson was concerned, it was all going to be pretty
straightforward. He couldn�t comprehend R�ikk�nen leaving. The contract
was up but Dennis had options to renew it well into the future. These
options all stemmed from the original contract R�ikk�nen had signed in
September 2001. Dennis had paid a small fortune to secure R�ikk�nen�s
services including a rumoured US$14 million to compensate Peter Sauber. It
was a complex contract � two years (2002 and 2003) at a modest salary and
then three years (2004-2006) for a much larger retainer culminating in the
near US$45 million he was being paid in 2006. But R�ikk�nen was far from a
free agent at the end of his McLaren contract. By all accounts it was at
Dennis�s option to take up another three years if he was willing to pay an
escalating salary. 
Dennis had security, but at a price. There is no way of telling what that
price was but it was likely to mean R�ikk�nen receiving at least
US$60-US$70 million a year by 2009. But Dennis, who had been bamboozled
into agreeing the high price four years before in 2001, just before the
9/11 terrorist attacks when economic conditions had been very different,
did not want to pay, although he still wanted R�ikk�nen to drive for him. 
By all accounts Robertson was somewhat surprised, even if he didn�t show
it, when Dennis said he wasn�t taking up the option. Although there is no
independent confirmation of this it appears that Dennis believed he could
cancel the option, and thereby his commitment, and open negotiations with
Robertson at a more sensible retainer. After all Dennis believed, and it
certainly looked the case, that R�ikk�nen had nowhere else to go. 
It appears Dennis genuinely believed Robertson would simply agree a lower
retainer, probably something nearer US$35 million. But it proved Dennis
did not know the man at all. Robertson is an extremely shrewd individual.
Even his critics say he can read the minds of team principals. He is
believed to study their psyche in his spare time so that he can deal with
them more effectively. In his short career in the paddock he has already
negotiated with Frank Williams, Flavio Briatore, Ron Dennis and Jean Todt,
and bested all of them. 
Anyone who has had negotiations with him of any kind is aware of his
skills. As one associate says: �He is the sort of man, and this is not
said impolitely, with whom one counts ones fingers after shaking his hand.
He probably secretly relishes that reputation.�
It is important to emphasise that at that stage of the 2005 season, in
spite of Robertson�s reputation, Dennis thought he held all the cards.
R�ikk�nen was dominating the latter half of the 2005 season and McLaren
was the top team. Conversely Ferrari was in the doldrums � why would
R�ikk�nen want to go there even if he could? 
And Renault was out of the equation. Everyone thought Alonso was a fixture
at Renault. When Dennis let R�ikk�nen�s option lapse he knew, or at least
thought he knew, that he could simply wait for Robertson to accept his
offer. 
But Robertson sensed something different. He sensed discontent in the
McLaren organisation, a sense of drift. He had picked up that Adrian Newey
was leaving and that Nick Tombazis might do the same. He also thought most
of Ferrari�s problems were tyre related and solvable; he knew that Ross
Brawn and Rory Byrne had not suddenly become bad engineers. 
But Robertson kept his counsel with Dennis and said he would get back to
him. 
Robertson considered his options and marched over to the Ferrari motorhome
to get the lie of the land. He imagined negotiations with Todt alone would
be a waste of time. So he sought to engage Montezemolo and Todt together.
Again the wily operator had picked up their differences on his radar and
thought he might be able to divide and conquer. He was absolutely correct.
Whilst Todt was cool to the idea of hiring R�ikk�nen, Montezemolo was more
than keen. But there were complications. Ferrari already had an option
with Valentino Rossi and Todt doubted openly that Schumacher would want
R�ikk�nen alongside him. But Robertson spoke privately to Montezemolo.
Soon the two men agreed to sign R�ikk�nen to an option in Ferrari�s favour
for a year, and to pay for the privilege. 
But Robertson was not out of the woods. At that point he did not think
Ferrari would actually sign R�ikk�nen. But it was his leverage on Ron
Dennis. Robertson made sure by judicious leaks to journalist friends that
it got around the paddock about Ferrari�s option. Dennis�s bluff had been
publicly called. 
And so matters rested, until the end of the season when Dennis heard on
the grapevine that R�ikk�nen had signed for Ferrari. Although it was only
an option he guessed immediately what was going on and decided he was not
about to be kept on a string for a year whilst Ferrari decided his future. 
By then the situation with the third driver in the loop, Fernando Alonso,
was becoming clouded as rumours spread that Renault would withdraw from
Formula One at the end of 2006. One very highly placed pundit whispered in
Dennis�s ear that he had heard this would definitely happen. As sad as
that might be for Formula One, Dennis realised it was very good news for
him. As the rumour gained currency, whatever its truth, it effectively put
Alonso into play.  
Dennis made an approach for Alonso. He understood, as did everyone else in
the paddock, that at around US$6 million a year, Alonso was underpaid.
Dennis offered Alonso US$16 million a year. The timing of the move was
perfect. 
At that point Renault�s prospects for 2007 were at their lowest and
McLaren�s, after its storming season, at their highest. McLaren had also
just announced it had signed Vodafone as title sponsor for 2007; it had
more cash than ever. With all things considered Alonso�s manager Flavio
Briatore had no choice but to advise his driver to accept Dennis�s offer.
He knew Renault at that moment in time would not match it (although later
the situation was to change). 
Dennis attached one condition to his offer � he wanted to announce it
immediately despite the disruption it would cause to his existing drivers.
Close friends say he was driven by a desire to get back at David Robertson
and tell the Formula One world how clever he was.  
Alonso�s signing was announced to an unsuspecting world just before
Christmas 2005. It caused a sensation, mainly revolving around Briatore�s
position and the obvious conflict of interest. Briatore took it all in his
stride. Interestingly he and Dennis came up with entirely different
stories of how Alonso was signed. But by then it didn�t matter. After the
ravages inflicted on his bank account by David Robertson, Dennis
considered it a good day�s work to get Alonso for just US$16 million. 
But Dennis had seriously piqued his existing drivers and when they heard
the news both vowed to leave the team at the end of 2006. They felt they
had been double-crossed. R�ikk�nen�s position for 2007 suddenly looked
precarious. 
Over at Ferrari, Michael Schumacher was as entrenched as ever and the
Italian team had signed an option with Valentino Rossi for 2007, this one
at the driver�s behest. If Rossi decided to take up his option there would
be no room for R�ikk�nen. The situation was slightly complicated when
Rubens Barrichello read the tea leaves and saw that he also would be out
at the end of 2006. Honda was desperate to sign him and he negotiated a
release from his contract to take a big money, three-year deal. To replace
him the team signed Felipe Massa on a one-year contract as a stop-gap.
Schumacher expected that it would be him and Rossi in the cockpit for
2007. 
But as 2006 began, Montezemolo realised he didn�t want that. Signing Rossi
was Todt and Schumacher�s plan. He wanted R�ikk�nen, his man, in the car
for 2007, and started scheming to get his way.
It may seem ridiculous that Montezemolo had effectively to politic within
his own company, but that is the way it was. Todt had made Ferrari his own
fiefdom, much to the annoyance of Montezemolo. The two had already clashed
earlier this year when Montezemolo wanted to take Marlboro off the car for
2007 and find a non-tobacco sponsor. Todt wanted to stay with an eager
Marlboro. Montezemolo tried everything he could to find an alternative and
even invited Sir Martin Sorrell, chief executive of WPP Group, the world�s
biggest advertising agency group, to visit him in Maranello. Ostensibly he
wanted to discuss whether WPP and its network of sponsorship agencies
could help with finding a new title sponsor for 2007. 
But Todt found out about Sorrell�s visit. And when Sorrell arrived at
Maranello, he did not meet with Montezemolo but with the Frenchman.
Predictably the discussions went nowhere. Todt told Sorrell he already had
a title sponsor for 2007 and asked him why he was there. Sorrell wondered
that himself and the visit had effectively been a waste of his time. But
as Sorrell was leaving, walking down the corridor on his way to Ferrari�s
reception, Montezemolo jumped out of a door in front of him and ushered
him into a small adjacent conference room. He asked him what had been
discussed with Todt and when Sorrell told him, begged him to find an
alternative to Marlboro. It was all over in 10 minutes and Sorrell left
Maranello shaking his head at the shenanigans he had witnessed between the
two men. Sorrell had no intention of wasting his time trying to find a
title sponsor for a team that already had one. Todt had already told
Sorrell he had done a deal with his friend Louis Camilleri, the chairman
of Altria, the Marlboro parent company. Camilleri had agreed a five-year
deal from 2007 to pay US$200 million a year. It was the biggest
sponsorship deal ever in Formula One and an offer the team could not turn
down. 
Montezemolo was in despair after the Marlboro deal was signed. It made
Todt, now seen as a top rainmaker, even more powerful inside the team. In
fact Montezemolo had begun to feel like a stranger in his own factory.
Continually away on Fiat and Italian business, Montezemolo realised he had
made a mistake when he had promoted Todt the year before to head the whole
Ferrari car factory. He had expected him to fall flat on his face but
instead he rose to the task and Ferrari, which had been in the financial
doldrums, began a remarkable recovery under Todt�s stewardship. 
Montezemolo felt he had created a monster in Todt that he could no longer
control. Although the two men had worked together for more than a decade,
they were like chalk and cheese. Behind the rough exterior, Todt is a
self-made, cultured man, an art lover with impeccable taste. In 2005 he
had teamed up with Hollywood actress, Michelle Yeoh, got engaged to her
and was in many ways beginning to outshine Montezemolo himself. 
By contrast Montezemolo is a proud aristocrat. A member of the Agnelli
family by any other name, he is regarded within the Fiat empire as a
marketing wunderkind. 
No one in Maranello can understand why the Todt-Montezemolo alliance has
lasted so long. One observer said: �It is a mystery, Todt�s not Luca�s
sort of person and vice versa.�
It was never part of Montezemolo�s plan to get rid of Todt, he simply
wanted to break up the Todt-Brawn-Schumacher alliance that so effectively
controlled the team. And it appears that the battleground was drawn over
Michael Schumacher, with both men determined to get their way. 
But Montezemolo was more determined. 
Montezemolo was not overawed by Michael Schumacher as so clearly was Jean
Todt. That was shown in 1999 when the two men faced up to each other after
Schumacher broke his leg at the British Grand Prix. Even after he had
recovered enough to go testing Schumacher announced on Sunday 3rd October
that he would not be fit enough to take part in the remaining two races of
the year in Malaysia and Japan. 
After the accident Eddie Irvine had taken up the running for the world
championship title and badly needed the help of a strong team-mate. But
the last thing Schumacher appeared to want was his team-mate to win the
world championship and he had clearly decided, with Todt�s collaboration,
to see the last two races out. Irvine pleaded with Montezemolo to
intervene. 
What happened next was instructive in the differing relationships
Schumacher enjoyed with Todt and Montezemolo. On the afternoon of Tuesday
5th October 1999, Montezemolo rang Schumacher at his home in Switzerland
to ask if he would change his mind and drive. But Schumacher�s young
daughter Gina-Maria answered the phone and told Montezemolo that her Daddy
was �getting out of his football boots�. Montezemolo questioned the little
girl more closely and ascertained that she and her brother had been
enjoying a rough game of football in the garden with their father. When
Schumacher finally came to the phone, Montezemolo asked him if indeed he
had been playing football. The German had no choice but to be truthful.
Once Montezemolo heard that, he said to him that if he was fit enough to
play football he was fit enough to drive in Malaysia and Japan. When
Schumacher resisted, Montezemolo reminded him that he was being paid US$2
million a race and would do as he was told. Schumacher had no choice but
to comply and on Friday 8th October the team announced he would indeed be
returning for the last two races.  
The incident had been a lesson for Montezemolo, who realised that a secret
conspiracy existed between Todt and Schumacher. 
He had run up against it before when he had wanted to hire Mika H�kkinen
to partner Schumacher. Then Todt had told Montezemolo that Schumacher
would not have it and would leave. In effect Schumacher was so powerful he
could dictate terms and Montezemolo could not risk calling his bluff. But
Montezemolo believed Schumacher would have stayed and was left smarting by
his rebuttal at the hands of the two men. 
So when the chance came to sign Kimi R��kk�nen in the summer of 2005,
Montezemolo was determined to grab it. After a poor season when the team
had won nothing bar the controversial United States Grand Prix,
Montezemolo sensed that Schumacher�s reign was coming to an end. He would
be nearly 38 when his last contract ended in 2006. 
So when David Robertson came calling, Montezemolo was all ears. Robertson
brilliantly played off Montezemolo and Todt against each other. According
to sources at Ferrari, Montezemolo didn�t want to get into a situation
next year where he was looking for a top-line driver and everyone was
signed up. Montezemolo is in instinctive man and, as one person close to
Ferrari observes: �He decided to put the bunsen-burner under the
situation.�
That person confirms that Montezemolo had been bitterly disappointed when
he couldn�t sign H�kkinen and it had always rankled: �The aggravation with
Todt has been there the whole time but came to a head at Monza. Luca had
wanted to see H�kkinen in the other car. He believes it is 200 per cent
about the drivers.�
During the 2005 season Montezemolo decided he didn�t want Valentino Rossi
even though he had a firm option to join the team. He persuaded Rossi not
to take it up and stay in MotoGP. This decision upset Schumacher who could
see what it meant. Rossi had had a programme mapped out to familiarise
himself with the car prior to a 2007 debut. Schumacher 
said at the time: �We are sad not to see him here. I think he has a very
high talent 
and could have done it in terms of driving.� Ross Brawn, the Ferrari
technical director and a strong Todt-Schumacher ally was also upset and
said: �We were very impressed with what he was able to do. It would have
been very exciting. He was very impressive in all the running we did,
otherwise we wouldn�t have taken him so seriously. It would have been a
nice challenge to have. It�s a shame.� 
Rossi�s announcement fuelled speculation that Ferrari had already decided
upon its 2007 driver line-up and that Kimi R�ikk�nen would be named as
Michael Schumacher�s team-mate for next season. But by midsummer it was
far from decided and a full-scale battle was going on inside Ferrari.
There was a stand-off, which would continue until the deadline to take up
R�ikk�nen�s option. 
Meanwhile, David Robertson was sensing that Ferrari might not take up
R�ikk�nen�s option and that Schumacher would not drive alongside him. That
prompted him to renew relations with Ron Dennis and make sure his options
were still open there. But with McLaren�s 2006 car having flopped and the
three top technical men, led by Adrian Newey, having left the team,
conditions were totally different. So in May, Robertson started serious
negotiations with Flavio Briatore to take R�ikk�nen to Renault. Robertson
found a team principal who very badly wanted to do a deal. The downside
was that the retainer was half what he had been getting at McLaren and
half of what he had been offered at Ferrari. But against that was a very
competitive car; in May it was the most competitive car. 
The negotiations were a surprise as Briatore had clashed with Robertson in
2001 and openly criticised him and his methods. But now the Italian turned
on the charm offensive and entertained Robertson, and his son Steve, on
his boat in Monte Carlo. He also introduced them to his ravishing new
girlfriend, Elisabetta Gregoracci, and she worked her own charms on the
two men as they toured the Renault team principal�s new yacht in Monaco
harbour. 
Briatore was ready to forget the past if there was a deal to be done. And
he badly needed the deal. By this time his position was very different to
how it had been in December 2005. Now the future was clear and Carlos
Ghosn, the Renault chairman, had made a long-term commitment to the team
and even turned on the cash spigot. Briatore was able to offer R�ikk�nen a
decent retainer, said to be US$21 million but with the added opportunity
to accept outside endorsements, which could have been worth another US$10
million.
The two men held detailed negotiations and Briatore personally spent a lot
of time wooing Robertson. Later Briatore would angrily tell friends that
he felt Robertson had been wasting his time and had been committed to
Ferrari at the same time as he was offering R�ikk�nen to Renault. However,
this was not the case. Robertson had been negotiating in the genuine
belief that Ferrari would not take up its option because of Schumacher. 
All through the early summer, civil war raged behind the scenes at
Maranello. But Schumacher found his power to get his way had gone.
Montezemolo appeared not to care whether he stayed or went. At the 
German Grand Prix, which Schumacher won with Massa second and R�ikk�nen
third, the Ferrari number one driver put on a very public show of
affection for his team-mate and totally ignored R�ikk�nen. It was a
classic Schumacher display: he was demonstrating publicly to Montezemolo
how he wanted it to be and how good it could be. But Montezemolo was
totally unmoved. In fact insiders say it hardened his resolve to dislodge
the superstar. And in August, Robertson was proved wrong when Montezemolo
signed the contract with him. No one close to Ferrari was surprised, as
one insider says: �Luca, being the politician that he is, closed off every
rat hole.�
When Schumacher learned the news, he told Montezemolo he wanted until the
end of the season to make up his mind about whether he would stay and
partner R�ikk�nen. In the meantime, he didn�t want any announcement made
about R�ikk�nen. But Montezemolo was not having any of that. He wanted the
situation resolved and told Schumacher he wanted his decision by Monza,
when he would announce R�ikk�nen. By then it appears Ross Brawn had also
decided he would leave if Schumacher did. That news was leaked to
journalists to pile pressure on Montezemolo.  
The writing was on the wall. Montezemolo had come this far and was not
about to turn back. 
Montezemolo won the battle: Schumacher would not drive with R�ikk�nen and
would 
instead announce his retirement. But the decision was very much against
his will. 
He would have rather carried on with Felipe Massa as his team-mate. Now
the seven 
times world champion, still only 37, has to decide what to do next and
where life will take him. 
Meanwhile, none of the pronouncements so far can be taken for granted.
Despite the 17 years since Enzo Ferrari�s death, Ferrari is still a very
Machiavellian organisation and Jean Todt, predictably, is seething about
losing this public battle with Montezemolo. He knows he will never have
the same type of relationship with R�ikk�nen that he has had with
Schumacher. Insiders, however, insist that Todt�s job is safe and that he
has too many friends inside Fiat for Montezemolo to contemplate sacking
him. And they add that Montezemolo, who is not regarded as malicious,
genuinely doesn�t want that and knows Todt is the best man to run Ferrari.
One says: �Whatever Luca is, he isn�t stupid.� 
But another outside observer says that Todt has been wounded by what has
transpired and doesn�t believe the story is concluded, as he says: �Todt
is the most malicious person on two legs and he will hold that against
Luca.�
Next month to mark the end of Michael Schumacher�s final year in Formula
One, BusinessF1 writers look back at Schumacher�s extraordinary career
off-track. From the secret backer who financed his early career to the
astonishing battle between his first two managers, Willi Weber and
Burkhard Nuppenny, for control of his career. The amazing tussle between
Jordan and Benetton for his services. His contract machinations with
Flavio Briatore and his wooing by Jean Todt. We look closely at how he
earned nearly US$600 million in 15-and-a-half years of competing in the
sport.  
// end qoute
marloc
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 ...
molto interessante...
;-)))

 The dramatic ..
c'� un riassunto da qualche parte?

 sulla dipartita di MSC.
Veramente interessante...
Mi ha fatto pensare a quelle famiglie che all'apparenza sono
tranquille ma che dietro la porta nascondono di quei casini...
Comunque il tutto non fa che rinforzare l'idea del ritorno della
coppia Brawn+Schumacher....
(Con la benedizione di Todt nel ruolo di pontefice)

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:hf8mqo$u40$1...@news.newsland.it...
Mi sembra chiaro a questo punto chi aveva imbeccato Stepney e Coughlan per 
portare alla Honda il loro (ed altrui) know how...
--
Magic 

 portare alla Honda il loro (ed altrui) know how...
A me non è chiaro. Filippo illuminami!
ivan
-- 
By 1977 or so, PLATO was featuring real-time multiplayer dungeon games,
not to mention real-time spacewar, IM, chat, email, netnews, and a host of
other things we now take for granted. All this on high-resolution plasma
panel terminals connected at 1200 baud to twin Cyber 6600 supercomputer.
Now you understand why I was kicked out of Cornell for a year; PLATO was
crack for computer nerds. (Robert Woodhead, co-creator of Wizardry)

A me non � chiaro. Filippo illuminami!
Chi stava per arrivare alla Honda e si godeva il sabbatico alla Ferrari?
--
Magic 

 Ferrari?
A proposito, � interessante come la Ferrari sia cos� ben disposta, nel 
pagare anni sabbatici ai suoi ex.
Forse ho capito perch� tutti i piloti sostengono di voler andare l�.
Peccato, che non le porti fortuna:
- Prost lascia la Ferrari, si gode un anno sabbatico, torna in F1, e 
vince il Mondiale con la Williams.
- Brawn lascia la Ferrari, si gode un anno sabbatico, torna in F1, e 
realizza la Honda che vincer� il Mondiale con il suo nome.
- Raikkonen lascia la Ferrari... cazzo... ecco perch� vuole godersi un 
anno sabbatico!
-- 
Ciao.
Rox
___________________________________________
Onesto � colui che adatta le proprie opinioni alla verit�,
Disonesto � colui che adatta la verit� alle proprie opinioni.
(Proverbio Arabo)

 anno sabbatico!
in effetti il caso Prost ed il caso R.Brown ... Comunque quel che emerge 
chiaro è l'accoppiata MS+R.Brown che, dopo gli inaspettati successi in 
Benetton, passa alla Ferrari. E la Ferrari attraversa un periodo mai visto 
in 50 anni da alcuno dei grandi team della storia: Lotus, McLaren, Williams 
... in ordine di comparizione nella F-1 ...
Il "10 titoli piloti" McLaren, record battuto dalla McLaren stessa andando a 
11 diventa uno scherzo al confronto ...
Il "9 titoli costruttori" in circa un ventennio della Williams idem ...
Il "43% di tutti i titoli possibili" in 16 anni della Lotus impallidisce ...
Insomma MS+R.Brown, a partire da Benetton, stravolgono ogni tradizione e 
fanno sbiadire il primo mezzo secolo di F-1 ... non poco!
Quest'anno i primi 4 sono R.Brown (Brown-GP) e Newy (Red Bull); a seguire 
Hamilton su McLaren che -- a questo punto -- non è poco. Ma l'abilità di LH 
si era già intuita al suo esordio e la capacità di reazione McLaren anche 
nei momenti peggiori è ben nota ...
  pino
-- 
la fede trascende ogni dato empirico,
ogni possibilità di controllo ...
... da cui:
la grande diffusione di qualche fede.

 Chi stava per arrivare alla Honda e si godeva il sabbatico alla Ferrari?
E le prove sarebbero?
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A confermare, Monty ha "rubato" per un'altra volta la scena a
Schumacher....
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=39698