Newsgroup: it.news.net-abuse
Titolo: [OT?] spam "cartaceo"

Se tanto mi da tanto, tra poco potremmo assistere
all'arrivo di una valanga di spam cartaceo, o meglio,
di spam che esce direttamente dalle stampanti; almeno
stando a quanto scritto qui
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/NewsStory.aspx?story=67925
tra l'altro la cosa potrebbe anche dar vita ad un worm che
sfruttando XSS ed XSP (vedere link) invii dei "documenti"
da stampare in 10.000 copie alle stampanti collegate.. se
poi tali stampanti fossero delle "FAX printers" ....

mi chiedo come fin'ora non siano riusciti a dirottare SkyPE, o meglio
quando c'è stato il suo boom, messaggi pre-registrati inviati dal worm
ai contatti.


 di spam che esce direttamente dalle stampanti; almeno
Non so perche', ma i tuoi messaggi, stimolano sempre uno strano senso di
insicurezza...
Fabrizio (oh, well, riguarda le stampanti di rete... per ora!)

 Fabrizio (oh, well, riguarda le stampanti di rete... per ora!)
si.. ni... anche alle "fax printers", immagina un fax in
rete che si mette ad inviare 10.000 messaggi (spam)
a numeri di mezzo mondo o comunque ad ALTO
costo...

 stando a quanto scritto qui
Beh, quel che dice il documento è assolutamente fattibile ed è davvero uno
script di poche decine di righe... anche se penso che non avrà mai il
successo dello spam tradizionale perchè:
1- perdi i link diretti a possibili acquisti
2- la gente quando si parla di carta stampata diventa improvvisamente più
furba (o meglio: la gente quando si tratta di un monitor diventa
improvvisamente scema).
Comunque sicuramente ci saranno exploit per questa "falla" (anche se è
strano che nessuno ci abbia mai pensato prima...)
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Vide

> non avrà mai il successo dello spam tradizionale
1) worm che impesta i PC ed invia FAX a numeri rigorosamente
    a pagamento dai quali gli "spammers" ricavano soldi
2) worm che impesta i PC e trasmette via FAX tutta una serie di
     info/documenti
3) come sopra ma semplicemente per "spammare", se consideri
     la quantità di fax<->mail gateways esistenti ad oggi...
ti servono altre idee, o ne hai già abbastanza :) ?

      la quantità di fax<->mail gateways esistenti ad oggi...
Ripeto, lo spam "classico" via fax credo che abbia meno successo, anche se
comunque essendo aggratis, qualcuno potrebbe essere interessato ad
utilizzarlo.
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Vide

 convinto che verrà sfruttata sicuramente sotto questo aspetto.
in effetti questa è una delle ipotesi che mi impensierisce maggiormente
anche considerando il fatto che tutta la faccenda è relativamente facile
da mettere in piedi e può portare "cash" immediata, ovviamente *NON*
si tratta del solo modo di usare XSP ma evito di scrivere ulteriormente
per evitare di fornire idee :)

 si.. ni... anche alle "fax printers", immagina un fax in
Non farmici pensare, che' e' meglio (oddio, avrei un ricordo di una casa
editrice, con portatili impestati di netsky e router aperti come kozze, a
cui manderei quel worm, giusto per vedere se negli anni si sono
svegliati...).
Pensavo, invece, a come "l'uomo della Rete" (dire "l'uomo della strada" mi
suona male) puo' proteggersi, visto che mi pare che le stampanti di rete,
comincino a costare veramente poco (poche centinaia di euro), ma che a
queste persone con modeste realta' locali, un print server non serve un
granche', ammesso che sappiano come metterlo su.
Il firewall, potrebbe essere istruito per chiedere conferma? Guardando
superficialmente Jetico, penserei di si, anche se certo il browser, non
deve stare nella trusted zone.
Fabrizio

-consultis et plebiscitis...
To ask like passages.
363. Ex senatus-consultis et plebiscitis scelera exercentur. Seneca.
588.[49]
Nihil tam absurde dici potest quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum.50
Quibusdam destinatis sententiis consecrati quae non probant coguntur
defendere.51
Ut omnium rerum sic litterarum quoque intemperantia laboramus.52
Id maxime quemque decet, quod est cujusque suum maxime.53
Hos natura modos primum dedit.54
Paucis opus est litteris ad bonam mentem.55
Si quando turpe non sit, tamen non est non turpe quum id a multitudine
laudetur.56
Mihi sic usus est, tibi ut opus est facto, fac.57
364. Rarum est enim ut satis se quisque vereatur.58
Tot circa unum caput tumultuantes deos.59
Nihil turpius quam cognitioni assertionem praecurrere.60
Nec me pudet, ut istos, fateri nescire quid nesciam.61
Melius non incipient.62
365. Thought.--All the dignity of man consists in thought. Thought is,
therefore, by its nature a wonderful and incomparable thing. It must have
strange defects to be contemptible. But it has such, so that nothing is more
ridiculous. How great it is in its nature! How vile it is in its defects!
But what is this thought? How foolish it is!
366. The mind of this sovereign judge of the world is not so independent
that it is not liable to be disturbed by the first din about it. The noise
of a cannon is not necessary to hinder its thoughts; it needs only the
creaking of a weathercock or pulley. Do not wonder if at present it does not
reason well; a fly is buzzing in its ears; that is enough to render it
incapable of good judgement. If you wish it to be able to reach the truth,
chase away that animal which holds its reason in check and disturbs that
powerful intellect which rules towns and kingdoms. Here is a comical god! O
ridicol

a word in season to him that is weary. He hath opened mine ear, and I
have listened to Him as a master.
"The Lord hath revealed His will, and I was not rebellious.
"I gave my body to the smiters, and my cheeks to outrage; I hid not my face
from shame and spitting. But the Lord hath helped me; therefore I have not
been confounded.
"He is near that justifieth me; who will contend with me? who will be mine
adversary, and accuse me of sin, God himself being my protector?
"All men shall pass away, and be consumed by time; let those that fear God
hearken to the voice of His servant; let him that languisheth in darkness
put his trust in the Lord. But as for you, ye do but kindle the wrath of God
upon you; ye walk in the light of your fire and in the sparks that ye have
kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.
"Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord:
look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye
are digged. Look unto Abraham, your father, and unto Sarah that bare you:
for I called him alone, when childless, and increased him. Behold, I have
comforted Zion, and heaped upon her blessings and consolations.
"Hearken unto me, my people, and give ear unto me; for a law shall proceed
from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the Gentiles."
Amos viii. The prophet, having enumerated the sins of Israel, said that God
had sworn to take vengeance on them.
He says this: "And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord, that I
will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the
clear day; and I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs
into lamentation.
"You all shall have sorrow and suffering, and I will make this nation mourn
as for an only son, and the end therefore as a bitter day. Behold, the days
come, saith the Lord, that I will send a famine 

of their loved country, the heavenly
Jerusalem, which they remember without ceasing during their prolonged exile.
459. The rivers of Babylon rush and fall and sweep away.
O holy Zion, where all is firm and nothing falls!
We must sit upon the waters, not under them or in them, but on them; and not
standing but seated; being seated to be humble, and being above them to be
secure. But we shall stand in the porches of Jerusalem.
Let us see if this pleasure is stable or transitory; if it pass away, it is
a river of Babylon.
460. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, pride, etc.--There are
three orders of things: the flesh, the spirit, and the will. The carnal are
the rich and kings; they have the body as their object. Inquirers and
scientists; they have the mind as their object. The wise; they have
righteousness as their object.
God must reign over all, and all men must be brought back to Him. In things
of the flesh lust reigns specially; in intellectual matters, inquiry
specially; in wisdom, pride specially. Not that a man cannot boast of wealth
or knowledge, but it is not the place for pride; for in granting to a man
that he is learned, it is easy to convince him that he is wrong to be proud.
The proper place for pride is in wisdom, for it cannot be granted to a man
that he has made himself wise, and that he is wrong to be proud; for that is
right. Now God alone gives wisdom, and that is why Qui gloriatur, in Domino
glorietur.74
461. The three lusts have made three sects; and the philosophers have done
no other thing than follow one of the three lusts.
462. Search for the true good.--Ordinary men place the good in fortune and
external goods, or at least in amusement. Philosophers have shown the vanity
of all this and have placed it where they could.
463. Philosophers.--They believe that God alone is worthy to be loved and
admired; and they have desir

no longer bear His extreme suffering. "My soul
is sorrowful, even unto death."
Jesus seeks companionship and comfort from men. This is the sole occasion in
all His life, as it seems to me. But He receives it not, for His disciples
are asleep. Jesus will be in agony even to the end of the world. We must not
sleep during that time.
Jesus, in the midst of this universal desertion, including that of His own
friends chosen to watch with Him, finding them asleep, is vexed because of
the danger to which they expose, not Him, but themselves; He cautions them
for their own safety and their own good, with a sincere tenderness for them
during their ingratitude, and warns them that the spirit is willing and the
flesh weak.
Jesus, finding them still asleep, without being restrained by any
consideration for themselves or for Him, has the kindness not to waken them
and leaves them in repose.
Jesus prays, uncertain of the will of His Father, and fears death; but, when
He knows it, He goes forward to offer Himself to death. Eamus.96 Processit
(John).[97]
Jesus asked of men and was not heard.
Jesus, while His disciples slept, wrought their salvation. He has wrought
that of each of the righteous while they slept, both in their nothingness
before their birth, and in their sins after their birth.
He prays only once that the cup pass away, and then with submission; and
twice that it come if necessary.
Jesus is weary.
Jesus, seeing all His friends asleep and all His enemies wakeful, commits
Himself entirely to His Father.
Jesus does not regard in Judas his enmity, but

is joined unto the Lord is one spirit."
77Gen. 4:7. "Unto thee shall be his desire."
78Office for Holy Saturday. "Which won for us a Saviour."
79Office for Good Friday. "Which won for us God's hallowed members to
embrace."
80Hymn Vexilla regis. "Worthy God's hallowed members to embrace."
81Luke 7:6 "I am not worthy."
821 Cor. 11:29. "Who eateth unworthily."
83Rev. 4:11. "Thou art worthy to receive."
84Office of the Holy Virgin. "Make me worthy."
[85]Matthew, 7:7, "Ask and it shall be given you."
86Is. 45:15.
[87]John 8:30-33. "Many believed on him. Then Jesus said: 'If ye continue...
then ye are my disciples indeed, and the truth shall make you free.' They
answered him: 'We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man.'"
88Rev. 22:11. "He that is righteous, let him be righteous still."
[89]Circumcidentes cor. Rom. 2. "Circumcision is that of the heart."
901 Cor. 15:33. "Evil communications corrupt good manners."
91"What they have found by their curiosity, they have lost by their pride."
Quod curiositate invenerunt, superbia perdiderunt. St. Augustine, Sermon
cxli.
921 Cor. 1:21. "Which... by wisdom knew not... it pleased God by the
foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
93St. Bernard, Sermones in Cantica Canticorum, lxxxiv. "The better one is,
the worse one becomes, if one attributes the cause of this goodness to one's
self."
[94]Ibid. "Meriting blows more than kisses, I fear not, because I love."
95John 11:33. Et turbarit seipsum. "And he troubled himself."
96Matt. 26:46. "Let us be going."
[97]Matt. 18:2. "Jesus went forth."
98Gen. 3:5. "Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
[99]John 20:17. "Touch me not."
100Allusion to John 6:56; 1:47; 8:36; 6:32. "True disciple; an Israelite
indeed; free indeed; true bread."
101In discipulis meis. Isaiah 8:16. "Seal the law among my disciples."
[102]Is. 45:15.

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ourselves. The knot of our condition takes its twists and turns in this
abyss, so that man is more inconceivable without this mystery than this
mystery is inconceivable to man.
Whence it seems that God, willing to render the difficulty of our existence
unintelligible to ourselves, has concealed the knot so high, or, better
speaking, so low, that we are quite incapable of reaching it; so that it is
not by the proud exertions of our reason, but by the simple submissions of
reason, that we can truly know ourselves.
These foundations, solidly established on the inviolable authority of
religion, make us know that there are two truths of faith equally certain:
the one, that man, in the state of creation, or in that of grace, is raised
above all nature, made like unto God and sharing in His divinity; the other,
that in the state of corruption and sin, he is fallen from this state and
made like unto the beasts.
These two propositions are equally sound and certain. Scripture manifestly
declares this to us, when it says in some places: Deliciae meae esse cum
filiis hominum.65 Effundam