Newsgroup: it.comp.hardware.motherboard
Titolo: Agg.BIOS vecchio PC

Su un vecchio PC ho installato Puppy. Come faccio ad individuare la MB 
e il relativo BIOS (per eventualmente aggiornarlo)?
Ciao!
 

 Ciao!
 
con windows ci sono parecchi software che analizzano l'hardware 
(everest ecc); si sicuro ce ne saranno anche per linux, ma non ne 
conosco proprio.
Direi che pero' se apri il case e leggi marca e modello sulla mother 
non puoi sbagliare
 
Adriano
 
 

 il relativo BIOS (per eventualmente aggiornarlo)?
 
$ sudo dmidecode -t 2,0
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 $ sudo dmidecode -t 2,0
 
sh-4.1# sudo dmidecode -t 2,0
sh: sudo: command not found
 
In Puppy e' un comando non valido. Il verbose di dmidecode:
 
sh-4.1# dmidecode -h
Usage: dmidecode [OPTIONS]
Options are:
 -d, --dev-mem FILE     Read memory from device FILE (default: /dev/mem)
 -h, --help             Display this help text and exit
 -q, --quiet            Less verbose output
 -s, --string KEYWORD   Only display the value of the given DMI string
 -t, --type TYPE        Only display the entries of given type
 -u, --dump             Do not decode the entries
 -V, --version          Display the version and exit
sh-4.1# dmidecode 
# dmidecode 2.9
SMBIOS 2.2 present.
44 structures occupying 1153 bytes.
Table at 0x000F0800.
 
Handle 0x0000, DMI type 0, 19 bytes
BIOS Information
	Vendor: Award Software International, Inc.
	Version: 6.00 PG
	Release Date: 11/02/2001
	Address: 0xE0000
	Runtime Size: 128 kB
	ROM Size: 256 kB
	Characteristics:
		ISA is supported
		PCI is supported
		PNP is supported
		APM is supported
		BIOS is upgradeable
		BIOS shadowing is allowed
		ESCD support is available
		Boot from CD is supported
		Selectable boot is supported
		BIOS ROM is socketed
		EDD is supported
		5.25"/360 KB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
		5.25"/1.2 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
		3.5"/720 KB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
		3.5"/2.88 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
		Print screen service is supported (int 5h)
		8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h)
		Serial services are supported (int 14h)
		Printer services are supported (int 17h)
		CGA/mono video services are supported (int 10h)
		ACPI is supported
		USB legacy is supported
		AGP is supported
		LS-120 boot is supported
		ATAPI Zip drive boot is supported
 
Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 25 bytes
System Information
	Manufacturer: VIA Technologies, Inc.
	Product Name: VT8601
	Version:  
	Serial Number:  
	UUID: Not Present
	Wake-up Type: Power Switch
 
Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 8 bytes
Base Board Information
	Manufacturer:  
	Product Name: 601-686A
	Version:  
	Serial Number:  
 
Handle 0x0003, DMI type 3, 13 bytes
Chassis Information
	Manufacturer:  
	Type: Desktop
	Lock: Not Present
	Version:  
	Serial Number:  
	Asset Tag:  
	Boot-up State: Unknown
	Power Supply State: Unknown
	Thermal State: Unknown
	Security Status: Unknown
 
Handle 0x0004, DMI type 4, 32 bytes
Processor Information
	Socket Designation: Socket 370
	Type: Central Processor
	Family: Celeron
	Manufacturer: Intel
	ID: xxxx
	Signature: Type 0, Family 6, Model 8, Stepping 10
	Flags:
		FPU (Floating-point unit on-chip)
		VME (Virtual mode extension)
		DE (Debugging extension)
		PSE (Page size extension)
		TSC (Time stamp counter)
		MSR (Model specific registers)
		PAE (Physical address extension)
		MCE (Machine check exception)
		CX8 (CMPXCHG8 instruction supported)
		SEP (Fast system call)
		MTRR (Memory type range registers)
		PGE (Page global enable)
		MCA (Machine check architecture)
		CMOV (Conditional move instruction supported)
		PAT (Page attribute table)
		PSE-36 (36-bit page size extension)
		MMX (MMX technology supported)
		FXSR (Fast floating-point save and restore)
		SSE (Streaming SIMD extensions)
	Version: Intel Celeron(TM)
	Voltage: 3.3 V
	External Clock: 100 MHz
	Max Speed: 500 MHz
	Current Speed: 900 MHz
	Status: Populated, Enabled
	Upgrade: Slot 1
	L1 Cache Handle: 0x000A
	L2 Cache Handle: 0x000B
	L3 Cache Handle: No L3 Cache
 
Handle 0x0005, DMI type 5, 24 bytes
Memory Controller Information
	Error Detecting Method: None
	Error Correcting Capabilities:
		Single-bit Error Correcting
	Supported Interleave: Four-way Interleave
	Current Interleave: One-way Interleave
	Maximum Memory Module Size: 256 MB
	Maximum Total Memory Size: 1024 MB
	Supported Speeds:
		70 ns
		60 ns
	Supported Memory Types:
		Other
		Unknown
		Standard
		FPM
		EDO
		Parity
		ECC
		SIMM
		DIMM
		SDRAM
	Memory Module Voltage: 5.0 V 3.3 V
	Associated Memory Slots: 4
		0x0006
		0x0007
		0x0008
		0x0009
	Enabled Error Correcting Capabilities: None
 
Handle 0x0006, DMI type 6, 12 bytes
Memory Module Information
	Socket Designation: BANK_0
	Bank Connections: 0 1
	Current Speed: 70 ns
	Type: DIMM SDRAM
	Installed Size: 512 MB (Single-bank Connection)
	Enabled Size: 512 MB (Single-bank Connection)
	Error Status: OK
 
Handle 0x0007, DMI type 6, 12 bytes
Memory Module Information
	Socket Designation: BANK_1
	Bank Connections: 2 3
	Current Speed: 70 ns
	Type: DIMM SDRAM
	Installed Size: 256 MB (Single-bank Connection)
	Enabled Size: 256 MB (Single-bank Connection)
	Error Status: OK
 
Handle 0x0008, DMI type 6, 12 bytes
Memory Module Information
	Socket Designation: BANK_2
	Bank Connections: 4 5
	Current Speed: 70 ns
	Type: Unknown
	Installed Size: Not Installed
	Enabled Size: Not Installed
	Error Status: OK
 
Handle 0x0009, DMI type 6, 12 bytes
Memory Module Information
	Socket Designation: BANK_3
	Bank Connections: 6 7
	Current Speed: 70 ns
	Type: Unknown
	Installed Size: Not Installed
	Enabled Size: Not Installed
	Error Status: OK
 
Handle 0x000A, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
	Socket Designation: Internal Cache
	Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1
	Operational Mode: Write Back
	Location: Internal
	Installed Size: 32 KB
	Maximum Size: 32 KB
	Supported SRAM Types:
		Synchronous
	Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
	Speed: Unknown
	Error Correction Type: Unknown
	System Type: Unknown
	Associativity: Unknown
 
Handle 0x000B, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
	Socket Designation: External Cache
	Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 2
	Operational Mode: Write Back
	Location: External
	Installed Size: 128 KB
	Maximum Size: 2048 KB
	Supported SRAM Types:
		Synchronous
	Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
	Speed: Unknown
	Error Correction Type: Unknown
	System Type: Unknown
	Associativity: Unknown
 
Handle 0x000C, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: PRIMARY IDE
	Internal Connector Type: On Board IDE
	External Reference Designator:  
	External Connector Type: None
	Port Type: Other
 
Handle 0x000D, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: SECONDARY IDE
	Internal Connector Type: On Board IDE
	External Reference Designator:  
	External Connector Type: None
	Port Type: Other
 
Handle 0x000E, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: FDD
	Internal Connector Type: On Board Floppy
	External Reference Designator:  
	External Connector Type: None
	Port Type: 8251 FIFO Compatible
 
Handle 0x000F, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: COM1
	Internal Connector Type: 9 Pin Dual Inline (pin 10 cut)
	External Reference Designator:  
	External Connector Type: DB-9 male
	Port Type: Serial Port 16450 Compatible
 
Handle 0x0010, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: COM2
	Internal Connector Type: 9 Pin Dual Inline (pin 10 cut)
	External Reference Designator:  
	External Connector Type: DB-9 male
	Port Type: Serial Port 16450 Compatible
 
Handle 0x0011, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: LPT1
	Internal Connector Type: DB-25 female
	External Reference Designator:  
	External Connector Type: DB-25 female
	Port Type: Parallel Port ECP/EPP
 
Handle 0x0012, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: Keyboard
	Internal Connector Type: Other
	External Reference Designator:  
	External Connector Type: PS/2
	Port Type: Keyboard Port
 
Handle 0x0013, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: PS/2 Mouse
	Internal Connector Type: PS/2
	External Reference Designator: Detected
	External Connector Type: PS/2
	Port Type: Mouse Port
 
Handle 0x0014, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: ISA
	Type: 16-bit ISA
	Current Usage: Unknown
	Length: Long
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x0015, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: ISA
	Type: 16-bit ISA
	Current Usage: Unknown
	Length: Long
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x0016, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: ISA
	Type: 16-bit ISA
	Current Usage: Unknown
	Length: Long
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x0017, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: ISA
	Type: 16-bit ISA
	Current Usage: Unknown
	Length: Long
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x0018, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: PCI
	Type: 32-bit PCI
	Current Usage: In Use
	Length: Long
	ID: 8
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x0019, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: PCI
	Type: 32-bit PCI
	Current Usage: In Use
	Length: Long
	ID: 9
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x001A, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: PCI
	Type: 32-bit PCI
	Current Usage: In Use
	Length: Long
	ID: 10
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x001B, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: PCI
	Type: 32-bit PCI
	Current Usage: In Use
	Length: Long
	ID: 8
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x001C, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: AGP
	Type: 32-bit AGP
	Current Usage: In Use
	Length: Long
	ID: 8
	Characteristics:
		5.0 V is provided
 
Handle 0x001D, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: USB
	Internal Connector Type: None
	External Reference Designator:  
	External Connector Type: Other
	Port Type: USB
 
Handle 0x001E, DMI type 13, 22 bytes
BIOS Language Information
	Installable Languages: 3
		n|US|iso8859-1
		n|US|iso8859-1
		r|CA|iso8859-1
	Currently Installed Language: n|US|iso8859-1
 
Handle 0x001F, DMI type 16, 15 bytes
Physical Memory Array
	Location: System Board Or Motherboard
	Use: Flash Memory
	Error Correction Type: None
	Maximum Capacity: 512 MB
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Number Of Devices: 4
 
Handle 0x0020, DMI type 17, 21 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x001F
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: Unknown
	Data Width: Unknown
	Size: 512 MB
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: BANK_0
	Bank Locator: Bank0/1
	Type: Unknown
	Type Detail: None
 
Handle 0x0021, DMI type 17, 21 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x001F
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: Unknown
	Data Width: Unknown
	Size: 256 MB
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: BANK_1
	Bank Locator: Bank2/3
	Type: Unknown
	Type Detail: None
 
Handle 0x0022, DMI type 17, 21 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x001F
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: Unknown
	Data Width: Unknown
	Size: No Module Installed
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: BANK_2
	Bank Locator: Bank4/5
	Type: Unknown
	Type Detail: None
 
Handle 0x0023, DMI type 17, 21 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x001F
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: Unknown
	Data Width: Unknown
	Size: No Module Installed
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: BANK_3
	Bank Locator: Bank6/7
	Type: Unknown
	Type Detail: None
 
Handle 0x0024, DMI type 19, 15 bytes
Memory Array Mapped Address
	Starting Address: 0x00000000000
	Ending Address: 0x0000003FFFF
	Range Size: 256 kB
	Physical Array Handle: 0x001F
	Partition Width: 32
 
Handle 0x0025, DMI type 20, 19 bytes
Memory Device Mapped Address
	Starting Address: 0x00000000000
	Ending Address: 0x0000003FFFF
	Range Size: 256 kB
	Physical Device Handle: 0x0020
	Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0024
	Partition Row Position: 1
 
Handle 0x0026, DMI type 20, 19 bytes
Memory Device Mapped Address
	Starting Address: 0x00000000000
	Ending Address: 0x0000003FFFF
	Range Size: 256 kB
	Physical Device Handle: 0x0021
	Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0024
	Partition Row Position: 1
 
Handle 0x0027, DMI type 20, 19 bytes
Memory Device Mapped Address
	Starting Address: 0x00000000000
	Ending Address: 0x0000003FFFF
	Range Size: 256 kB
	Physical Device Handle: 0x0022
	Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0024
	Partition Row Position: 1
 
Handle 0x0028, DMI type 20, 19 bytes
Memory Device Mapped Address
	Starting Address: 0x00000000000
	Ending Address: 0x0000003FFFF
	Range Size: 256 kB
	Physical Device Handle: 0x0023
	Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0024
	Partition Row Position: 1
 
Handle 0x0029, DMI type 32, 11 bytes
System Boot Information
	Status: No errors detected
 
Handle 0x002A, DMI type 127, 4 bytes
End Of Table
 
Handle 0x002B, DMI type 11, 5 bytes
OEM Strings
	String 1:  
 
Di piu' nin so...
 
 

 Di piu' nin so...
 
la prossima volta leggiti da solo prima i man (man dmidecode) e poi gli 
output dei comandi. La pappa pronta arriva una volta sola.


 output dei comandi. La pappa pronta arriva una volta sola.
 
Grazie 1000!.... Anche se ancora l'obiettivo non e' raggiunto.
Altri suggerimenti?
 

 supported
 
Codici sulla MB: CM33 rev A2 691-686b-6a6lid49c-00
 

 
dell'11-02-2001
 


 
LOL... un Via Apollo Pro.
A questo punto sarei curioso per quale motivo vorrebbe aggiornargli il 
Bios :)
 
 

 dell'11-02-2001
 
6a6li significa chipset Apollo Ple133T.
d4 significa DFI, che è il produttore della MB.
 
Guardando i codici BIOS di DFI, la maggior corrispondenza c'è con questi 
due:
11/02/2001-601-686A-6A6LID49C-00	 DFI CM33-EC
11/02/2001-601-686A-6A6LID49C-00	 DFI CM33-SC
 
La differenza è che il tuo dice 686B, mentre questi qui dicono 686A.
Comunque abbiamo assodato che sia una delle tante DFI CM33.
 
E tutto semplicemente leggendo e cliccando
http://www.wimsbios.com/awardnumbers.jsp
 che ti avevo appena 
segnalato! :-/


 segnalato! :-/
 
La verita': con tutte ste sigle mi sto incartando solo... :(
Hai ragione ma ho il terrore di sbagliare e poi la mobo la posso far benedire...
gia' e' vecchia di suo :D Quale sarebbe l'ultimo bios... please...
 
11/02/2001-601-686A-6A6LID49C-00 	DFI CM33-EC 
 
Temo sia proprio l'ultimo oppure c'e' ancora speranza?
Thank you!
 
Questo e' idoneo?
05/24/2002-601T-686A-6A6LID4AC-00 	DFI CM33-TL 
 
 

 Bios :)
 
Per dare alla skvideo integrata qualche mb degli 8 attualmente assegnati.
Nel bios attuale, in merito, non c'e' nulla... :(
 

Dopo dura riflessione, kingone ha scritto :

Penso proprio che nemmeno in quelli dopo abbiano modificato la cosa...
 
 

 Nel bios attuale, in merito, non c'e' nulla... :(
 
e chi ti dice che si possa fare?
imho comunque, avresti perso meno tempo aprendo il case e leggendo 
marca e modello direttamente sulla mb. Poi, potresti andare a vedere 
sul sito del produttore SE il firmware piu' recente consente di fare 
cio' che ti interessa e, soprattutto, se e' aggiornabile da linux, cosa 
di cui dubito. Data l'eta' della mother credo sia piu' probabile che si 
debba procedere con il boot da floppy dos.
 
Adriano
 
 

 05/24/2002-601T-686A-6A6LID4AC-00 	DFI CM33-TL
 
Non ne ho idea, ma io non proverei.


 procedere con il boot da floppy dos.
 
Io ho aggiornato il bios della mia D865Perl ma credo che questa sia 
molto più vecchia. Ho usato solo linux e il DOS (emulatore DOS da 
linux). Se serve chiedete...:)
 
In realtà ho fatto un reply solo per dire che in quel mazzo di carte c'è 
solo una coppia...;) Spero si veda anche la mia Face.
-- 
Sandro kensan 
www.kensan.it
 geek site

 chiedete...:)
 
buono a sapersi (che si puo' fare). Con le vecchie mother ho sempre 
considerato l'aggiornamento del bios una pratica abbastanza 
rischiosa...il fatto che funzioni con un emulatore fa solo piacere
 
Adriano
 
 

 considerato l'aggiornamento del bios una pratica abbastanza rischiosa... 
 
Come mai?
 
 

 Come mai?
 
 
in effetti con le mother non ho mai avuto  brutte esperienze (anche se 
mi tenevo una mano sui sacri gioielli fino a conclusione 
dell'operazione), ma un controlle adaptec 2040uw  me lo sono fumato.
Per fortuna poi un amico di un amico e' riuscito a sistemarlo tagliando 
qualche pista qua e la', facendo qualche magia e ripristinando le 
piste.
 
 
Adriano
 
 

adriano ha spiegato il 01/03/12 :

Era proprio un mago se tagliando e ricucendo le piste ha ripristinato 
la funzionalità del controller...direi quasi uno stregone :D
 
 

 funzionalità del controller...direi quasi uno stregone :D
 
davvero un ottimo tecnico. La riparazione delle piste sembra una di 
quelle correzioni "di fabbrica" piu' che un intervento manuale.
Ho ancora quel controller: sono certo che se lo volessi provare 
funzionerebbe ancora
 
Adriano
 
 

 funzionerebbe ancora
 
Sulla MB che ho io per ovviare il problema di un flash fallito si leva 
un ponticello sulla scheda madre e poi si fa il boot da dischetto con il 
BIOS memorizzato dentro.
 
Immagino abbia fatto una cosa analoga dove, però, non c'è il jumper e 
quindi abbia tagliato una pista.


 abbia tagliato una pista.
 
no, mi avevano spiegato il procedimento un po' in dettaglio. Non 
ricordo i dettagli...sono passati anni ormai, ma ricordo che era stato 
un casino.
 
Adriano