Newsgroup: it.fan.starwars
Titolo: StarWars in english please

does anyone here speak english or is it all spanish????

does anyone here speak english or is it all spanish????
SPANISH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!!?!?!?
Non c'č piů religione....
Che la Forza sia con Voi,
Roland di Gilead
dco...@tin.it
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fosse stato loro favorevole, ne avrebbe forse percepito l'odore di pietra
arcigna.
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does anyone here speak english or is it all spanish????
You are in it.fan.starwars. "it" means this is an Italian Newsgroup, for
this reason we speak in italian. If you want to speak in English you must go
in a "uk.*" or other english-language newsgroups.

does anyone here speak english or is it all spanish????
Spanish?? You got it wrong, this is Portog... ahem, Italian. ;-))))
And this being an Italian NG I can't see any reason why we should speak English!
(At least here, dammit! :-)
Ciao!
Francesco
frsp...@tin.it
 (purtroppo) <== unfortunately
oppure 
f...@freemail.it
--
"You're all clear, kid. Now let's blow this thing and go home!"

does anyone here speak english or is it all spanish????
we're ITALIANs.

Què lastima que tu no entienda nada...
:-PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
BRAVISSIMA! :)

Non c'č piů religione....
A me a Londra non mi scambiavano per spagnolo solo perche' ero biondo
con gli occhi azzurri...:-P

(At least here, dammit! :-)
Per esempio io seguo ng francesi, sforzandomi di capire. Rispondo
pero' in inglese (visto che il francese non lo parlo abbastanza), e
loro mi comprendono, ed anzi sono felici che un italiano  segua un NG
francese, senza chiedere loro di scrivere in italiano o in inglese :P

does anyone here speak english or is it all spanish????
Altro che genio! Come fa a confondere l'italiano con lo spagnolo? Mah...
Ben Kenobi.
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Boran:  "Does anyone here speak english or is it all spanish????"
FrancescoS (
f...@freemail.it
):  "Spanish?? You got it wrong, this is Portog...
ahem, Italian. ;-))))   And this being an Italian NG I can't see any reason why
we should speak English!
(At least here, dammit! :-)  "
   I agree with you, Francesco; however, I think Boran stumbled across this
newsgroup by accident and didn't realize that it.fan.starwars meant "Italian
Star Wars Fans."
    Ironically, I'm another American Star Wars fans whose second language is
also Spanish who accidentally discovered your newsgroup; but using that
knowledge of Spanish, I am able to discern the gist of a lot of what you're
saying in Italian. So, from reading your newsgroup thus far, I realize I have
new inspiration to learn Italian. So would some of you English-writing Italian
Star Wars fans be willing to consider helping bridge the language gap by
responding in simpler Italian sentences and/or in bilingual English/Italian
versions to us English-speakers who are learning Italian?
    Although I may not be C-3PO when it comes to language translation, I do
have a good aptitude to learn a new language now that I have a good motivation
to learn one.  : )
-- James King

versions to us English-speakers who are learning Italian?
[translator mode on :-]
Well, no problem for the simpler sentences, at least in my case since I'm not
that good at writing and my elaborate sentences get cryptic for Italians too
:-))
(Be', nessun problema per le frasi piu' semplici, almeno nel mio caso visto che
non sono molto bravo a scrivere e le mia frasi complicate sono cripticeh anche
per gli Italiani :-)))
But I don't think we could shift to a bilingual version, as I'm doing now. I
wouldn't care, but I guess many people would be bothered... both the speaking
English ones, for getting a double long message, and the non-speaking English
ones... for waste of bandwidth and time...
And they'd be right after all.
(Ma non credo che dovremmo passare a una versione bilingue come sto facendo io
adesso. A me non importerebbe, ma credo che a molta gente darebbe fastidio...
sia a quelli che parlano Inglese, per i messaggi lunghi il doppio, sia a quelli
che non lo parlano... pr spreco di banda e tempo...
E avrebbero ragione dopo tutto.)
By the way, welcome! I hope you'll keep an eye on us anyway, even though we'll
keep writing in this weird gibberish :-))
(A proposito, benvenuto! Spero che terrai un occhio su di noi comunque, anche se
continueremo a scrivere in questo strano farfuglio :-)))
And remember that you're lucky just 'cause you'll be able to go see Episode I
(The Phantom Menace?) the very day it opens!! Lucky man!! We'll have to wait
months!!
(E ricordati che sei fortunato perche' potrai andare a vedere Episode I il
giorno stesso che esce! Fortunato! Noi dovremo aspettare mesi!)
[translator mode off][I'll never do this again :-]]]
And see, my signature's a bit in English :-))
Ciao!
Francesco
frsp...@tin.it
 (purtroppo)
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James King:  "Ironically, I'm another American Star Wars fans whose second
language is also Spanish who accidentally discovered your newsgroup; but using
that knowledge of Spanish, I am able to discern the gist of a lot of what
you're saying in Italian. So, from reading your newsgroup thus far, I realize I
have new inspiration to learn Italian. So would some of you English-writing
Italian Star Wars fans be willing to consider helping bridge the language gap
by responding in simpler Italian sentences and/or in bilingual English/Italian
versions to us English-speakers who are learning Italian?
FrancescoS (
f...@freemail.it
):  "Be', nessun problema per le frasi piu'
semplici, almeno nel mio caso visto che non sono molto bravo a scrivere e le
mia frasi complicate sono cripticeh anche per gli Italiani :-)))  Ma non credo
che dovremmo passare a una versione bilingue come sto facendo io adesso. A me
non importerebbe, ma credo che a molta gente darebbe fastidio..."
   LOL!  Oh no, I wasn't suggesting that the entire newsgroup go bilingual. I
was only referring to select topic threads in which I might occasionally start
and/or drop in.
FrancescoS:  "sia a quelli che parlano Inglese, per i messaggi lunghi il
doppio, sia a quelli che non lo parlano... pr spreco di banda e tempo... E
avrebbero ragione dopo tutto."
   I would agree with you if you were talking about the entire newsgroup's
going bilingual; but again, I wasn't suggesting such an extreme idea. I was
suggesting an inclusionary sense of bilingualism for select topic threads. And
yes, I'm dead serious about learning Italian. Since Spanish is such a close
cousin of Italian, I'm certain I can master it appreciably in good time.
FrancescoS:  "A proposito, benvenuto! Spero che terrai un occhio su di noi
comunque, anche se continueremo a scrivere in questo strano farfuglio :-)))"
   Oh, I am not one to merely be a bystander during discussions and debates. :
)  And your posts aren't "gibberish" to me. Thanks for making your response a
bilingual one. Your own bilingual translations provided me with some instant
lessons in Italian idioms and slang. I'm going to study them and memorize
certain expressions for future reference.
FrancescoS:  "E ricordati che sei fortunato perche' potrai andare a vedere
Episode I il
giorno stesso che esce! Fortunato! Noi dovremo aspettare mesi!)"
    Yes, but by then, I hope my Italian will be fluent enough for me to give
you all a review of it without spoiling all the surprises.  I will be very
interested to see and read all of your reactions to the new movie.
FrancescoS:  "[I'll never do this again :-]]]"
   We'll see.   : )
FrancescoS:  "And see, my signature's a bit in English :-)) ":
   Yes, but then again, your choice of Star Wars quote --- "You're all clear,
kid. Now let's blow this thing and go home!" --- is just an English translation
of Han Solo said in Imperial Basic.  ; )
FrancescoS:  "Ciao!"
   Che la Forze sia conmigo while I learn Italian e con te, Francesco, when you
read my attempts at it.  La idioma italiana vincero'!  : )
-- James King

Altro che genio! Come fa a confondere l'italiano con lo spagnolo? Mah...
TUTTI confondono l'italiano con lo spagnolo. Eccetto italiani,
spagnoli e portoghesi.

versions to us English-speakers who are learning Italian?
Uhm...let's keep it optional, of course.
I propose that whoever wants to, can add a simple sentence in English.
After all, let it be free for all to answer in English (I think it's
easier to understand Italian than to speak it).

James King:  "This newsgroup has given me new inspiration to learn Italian. So
would some of you English-writing Italian Star Wars fans be willing to consider
helping bridge the language gap [in select topic threads] by responding in
simpler Italian sentences and/or in bilingual English/Italian versions to us
English-speakers who are learning Italian?
Darth Vader (
giofi...@geocities.com
):  "Uhm... let's keep it optional, of
course."
   Of course.  Again, I'm only talking about select occasional theads.
James King:  "I propose that whoever wants to, can add a simple sentence in
English.
After all, let it be free for all to answer in English (I think it's easier to
understand Italian than to speak it)."
   For me right now, Italian is easier to speak than to comprehend, but that's
only because I'm already accustomed to speaking a second language, Spanish, a
cousin to Italian.
   Also, at this time on the rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc newsgroup, in the spirit
of promoting mutual understanding, I'm preparing the following:
C-3PO's  UNOFFICIAL  GUIDE  TO  TRANSLATING  &  SAYING
          " M A Y    T H E    F O R C E    B E    W I T H    Y O U "
               IN  EARTH'S  MANY  NATIVE  LANGUAGES
              An International Star Wars Fan Goodwill Project
           Translations provided by Star Wars Fans Worldwide
                                   *Special thanks to:
                                        Davin Felfth
                                        Ria Heeringa
                                               and
                                          Julie Lim
                of the rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc newsgroup
                        for contributing a great quantity
     of "MTFBWY" foreign-language translations to this effort
            Compiled by James W. King (
cine...@aol.com
)
_________________________________________________
    Your own Federico Giacanelli provided me with the information for the entry
about how to say, "May the Force be with you," in Italian. Here's the entry as
it appears now. (As of this writing, I haven't heard back from Federico yet as
to whether there need to be any changes in the following entry.)
   The entry:
    >  ITALIAN:  Two ways, one to address two or more people, and the other to
address one person.
    --- "Che la Forza sia con voi."  ("May the Force be with you [plural]" as
one would address many persons, like General Dodonna speaking to the Rebel
Pilots.)
    Pronunciation Guide:  "Keh lah FOR-zah SI-ah con voi."
    --- "Che la Forze sia con te."  ("May the Force be with you [singular]" as
one would address a single person, like Han speaking to Luke.)
    Pronunciation Guide:  "Keh lah FOR-zah SI-ah con teh."
    Remember this for Italian almost without exception:  Every "I" in Italian
has the short-I sound, like in "bit." Every "E" produces the short-E sound like
in "central." And every "A" in Italian makes the "ah" sound like in "dollar."
   In Italian, "tu" and "te" are different forms of you-singular that you would
use to address a friend or family member:  "R2D2, where are you?"
    "Voi" is you-plural that is used when addressing a group of two or more
people (like when addressing the newsgroup at large), as in:  "Hi, folks, how
are you?"
   Translation & explanation provided by Federico Giacanelli of Bologna, Italy
(
tar...@NOSPAMiperbole.bologna.it
). He is better known as HanFed on the
it.fan.starwars (Italy's Star Wars fans) newsgroup.
_____________________________________________
   So like I did with Spanish, I intend to make learning Italian as fun as
possible. Indeed, with my fluent knowledge of Spanish, the Italian language
should come to me more as second nature. In either case, my efforts at writing
Italian should hopefully be entertaining as well, as I attempt to translate
some of my English-language posts to Italian.
    After all, for debate topics on this newsgroup, well, you guys could use a
little competition and another point of view.  ; )
-- James King

read my attempts at it.  La idioma italiana vincero'!  : )
"Che la Forza sia con me mentre imparo l'italiano, e con te,
Francesco, quando leggerai i miei tentativi. Battero' la lingua
italiana! :)"
I'm not quite sure for the "vincero'", btw....


Fa imbestialire anche me, ma è una cosa che capita spesso con gli stranieri,
non riescono a distinguere fra italiano e spagnolo, per loro il suono è
uguale.  MAH!!!
Anyway you're welcome here, if you want to learn Italian as Cineviews....:-)
If not, there is alt.fan.starwars
May the Force be with you!
Eleia.


Hi, welcome!
I agree with your query, but how do we know when to translate a topic in
English, too?
Maybe you should just ask when you don't understand something to translate
it...
We will be happy to help you learning our language!!
Che la Forza sia con te!
Eleia.

> James King:  "This newsgroup has given me new inspiration to learn Italian.
So would some of you English-writing Italian Star Wars fans be willing to
consider helping bridge the language gap [in select topic threads] by
responding in simpler Italian sentences and/or in bilingual English/Italian
versions to us English-speakers who are learning Italian?
Darth Vader (
giofi...@geocities.com
):  "Uhm... let's keep it optional, of
course."
James King:  "Of course. Again, I'm only talking about select occasional
theads."
Eleia (
ele...@hotmail.com
):  "Hi, welcome!  I agree with your query, but how
do we know when to translate a topic in English, too?  Maybe you should just
ask when you don't understand something to translate  it. We will be happy to
help you learning our language!!"
   Why thank you, Eleia!  I'm in the process of acquiring three different books
on Italian now: an Italian-English dictionary, a book with listings of Italian
verb conjugations and a practical Italian language self-study book.
   In the meantime, I need to know the Italian translations for some basic Star
Wars terms:
     Star Wars      (It's "Guerre Estellar", no?)
    A New Hope
    The Empire Strikes Back
     Return of the Jedi
     lightsaber
     spaceship
     Imperial cruiser
     X-wing fighter
     TIE fighter
     The Emperor
     I also need to know all the titles in Italian for the Star Wars novels in
print there in Italy.
      This information would be a big help. Any other Star Wars terms you can
think of that might help would also be greatly appreciated.
-- James King

are you?"
In fact one of the most difficult thing about dubbing from English to
Italian is the gentle-form. You're never sure about using the
respectful form or not, since English has only the "you", and "thou"
is no more used.
In fact Leia always addresses Darth Vader as "tu" (friendly), while he
addresses her with a "Voi" (respectful-distanceful).
There is another way for the gentle-form, which is the "Lei" (third
singular used for second singular gentle).
 

think of that might help would also be greatly appreciated.
Well, right now I don't know exactly which term may help you...blaster:
fulminatore...
Surely the others of NG will have many more to write you!
Bye,
Eleia.

print there in Italy.
I only read the Zahn's Trilogy:
"L'erede dell'impero"
"Sfida alla nuova repubblica"
"L'ultima missione"
And the Truce at bakura: "La tregua di Bakura"
Ciao!
Francesco
frsp...@tin.it
 (purtroppo)
oppure 
f...@freemail.it
--


'cause I use the English word!)
Ala-X
Yoda.

     The Emperor
L'Imperatore
- Stormtroopers
Truppe d'assalto (it means Assault Troopers, I like Stormtroopers)
- Death Star
Morte Nera (Dark death, it's sound better than the right traslation)
- C3PO
D3BO
- R2D2
C1P8
Change droid's names is IMO a great mistake, but somebody like them...

 Nave Imperiale
No, cruiser is a class of ship. It is Incrociatore (cruiser) Imperiale
(Imperial)
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     The Emperor
L'Imperatore

print there in Italy.
Zahn Trilogy:
Heir to the Empire --> L'erede dell'Impero
Dark Force Rising -->Sfida alla Nuova Repubblica
The Last Command --> L'ultima missione
I hope it'll help ya.
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 print there in Italy.
Novels:
D. Wolverton "The Courtship of Princess Leia" > "Un amore per la
principessa"
V. McIntyre "The Crystal Star" > "La stella di cristallo"
Kevin J. Anderson's Trilogy
"Jedi Search" > "Sulle orme dei cavalieri Jedi"
"Dark Apprentice" > "Il discepolo del lato oscuro"
"Champions of the Force" > "I campioni della Forza"
B. Hambly "Children of the Jedi" > "La stirpe dei cavalieri Jedi"
K.J. Anderson "Darksaber" > "L'arma segreta"
? "Shadows of the Empire" > "L'ombra dell'Impero"
Comics:
"Dark Empire" > "Il lato oscuro della Forza" (literally: The dark side
of the Force)
"Dark Empire II" > "La vendetta dell'Imperatore" (literally: The
Emperor's revenge)
"Empire's End" > "La fine dell'Impero"
Odrij
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Non sarò mai più un ragazzo dello spazio
troppi anni nel 2000, troppo vecchio per lo Shuttle
                                                           Gaznevada
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? "Shadows of the Empire" > "L'ombra dell'Impero"
? = D. Perry
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 ? = D. Perry
? = Steve Perry
l'ho trovato ora.
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l'ho trovato ora.
Ahahahahah........
Il bello è che l'ho pure preso fra le mani per scrivere correttamente il
nome dell'autore!
Leggo Steve e mi convinco d'un tratto che il suo nome sia David......   :-)
Uaz, Uaz......
Ben Kenobi.
P.S. Certo che la vecchiaia fa brutti scherzi..........   :-)
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