Datasets:

mb7419

/

Tesla-qa-reddit-final

like 0

yh9wpt

2-hourly internal temp spikes

Someone recently posted on a UK owners facebook group about weird temperature spikes that they d noticed while the car was awake. It piqued my interest although my initial suspicion was a rogue 3rd party app or similar. After running a couple of tests of my own I was intrigued to find that my own car (2021 MIC model 3 performance) does exactly the same thing. While the car s awake but unused (e.g. during charging or if sentry mode is left on) every 2 hours there s a spike in the car s internal temperature as though the car is running the heater briefly - although the API reports that climate is off for the duration and fans are at 0 for the duration. I m assuming the same thing doesn t happen when the car is asleep but it s obviously impossible to detect through the Tesla API if the car is asleep. In my tests the spikes align with 2-hourly intervals from when the car wakes up which seems to suggest it s tied to the car being online. The graph below is take from Teslamate\* during a 9hr scheduled overnight AC charge showing the internal temperature in yellow (°c). The two-hourly spikes are pretty obvious... https: preview.redd.it x27v9bldtww91.png?width=1370&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=639f751439dc6fb96044832e968b82268883e944 Key events listed below: * The car woke up and began to charge at 23:13. * The first spike is at 01:13 when the internal temp jumps from 13.6 to 14.2. * The second spike is at 02:13\*\* when the internal temp jumps again from 12.5 to 13.2 * The third is at 04:13 temp jumps from 12.8 to 13.6 * The fourth is at 06:13 temp jumps from 12.7 to 13.2 * Climate is off for the duration * Fan status is 0 for the duration This is a reduced-amp AC charge. I d deliberately lowered the amps to 20A to drag out the length of the charge to better show the behaviour. That s a roughly 5kW charge so unlikely to be any requirement to dump excess heat from the battery - especially considering the overnight external temp was around 11°c. You can also see the same behaviour without any charging if the car is awake due to sentry for example. Anyone got any idea what s going on here? \* The charging reports in Teslamate don t actually show internal temp but you can see this by taking a note of the time that the car was online (E.g. the start stop time of a long AC charge or sentry session) then clicking on a Drive breakdown and modifying the start and end time to match the time of interest. \*\* This is actually a two hour gap as it straddles the BST GMT switch when our clocks jumped back an hour here in the UK

leewillis77

2022-10-30 09:17:09

iucvdv9

Any chance you have an external temperature logger you could leave in the car? I wonder if it s just a byproduct of the temperature sensor being near some chip component that cycles and warms it up a tad or there is some tiny fan that cycles on briefly to update the internal vehicle temp? In other words is it really or is it just bad data?

LurkerWithAnAccount

2022-10-30 11:08:25

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

kn4bvy

2.5 years of ownership (Model 3 LR RWD)

For the new owners and soon to be owners.... My Pics (delivery [https: imgur.com 1BbhVio](https: imgur.com 1BbhVio) and now [https: imgur.com 6P3WV9l](https: imgur.com 6P3WV9l) There are lots of new Tesla Model 3 owners lately (and lots more to come) and I want to share my experiences over the last 2.5 years of ownership. I understand that every experience is different and everybody has different expectations of a new car.. these are mine.. nobody else.. ok... Fit and Finish upon delivery - I had only one issue that I didn t even catch when doing the delivery inspection. The passenger door panel had a small tear in it. I noticed the next day Tesla replaced it a day later and that was that. Beyond that everything was perfect (for me) no panel gap issues no paint issues.... Was it MB or Lexus fit and finish.. no but I realize that this is new tech at an affordable price from a relatively new car company.. I was very happy. At the time (and still now) if I could find an all electric vehicle made by Audi or MB that has all the tech range superchargers AP and updates that Tesla has at the price I paid I would buy it. 40k miles later - I have replaced the tires (of course) at 25k. At around 30k I had the AC regulator replaced as it was only giving my a fraction of the amps it should while home charging was in the shop for one day for that. Besides that I ve filled up the washer fluid.. that s it. You hear a ton of stories about how Tesla s reliability is subpar... you won t hear it from me. Autopilot is one of my favorite things... ever. Took it from Maryland to Washington State and back... most relaxing road trip ever and would do it again tomorrow. The range - Originally I got 311 miles when I picked it up brand new ( I believe that is what was promised). Soon after delivery they had a software update that bumped it up to 325 miles... which I got then like every other owner slowly declined which I wasn t too upset about Since I rarely used the 311 I got in the first place. After 40k miles and 2.5 year at 100% I get 308 miles... so yeah I m happy. There are many other things I can go on about that I enjoy... watching netflix during my sons baseball practices the exceptional audio the acceleration the pure joy of driving it... on and on. Would I buy it again... of course except I would have gotten the performance. On a side note.. My wife was dead set against me getting this car... Nobody needs a Tesla.. I get it. She refuses to drive anything else now. Our Toyota Highlander just sits there... Once this Covid shit is behind us and we stop teleworking there will be no arm twisting about getting a Model Y for her.. it is a done deal.

ImUrHuckle63rry

2020-12-30 15:34:39

ghih69z

Don t forget that free lifetime premium data plan.

devo_inc

2020-12-30 16:50:51

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

5jrs6c

2.50.114 (8.0.2) Discussion Thread

2.50.114 is going out to cars right now. I started this thread because this one actually changes some features. I know we ve linked to separate articles discussing some of this but I thought this might be easier for owners to discuss their overall experiences. - The audio equalizer (EQ) is now a five-band instead of a three-band for more precise control over sound quality. To get that screen real estate they eliminated the numerical indications for fade and balance. Subjectively messing around with it I think they ve changed some other things under the hood of the audio system because it sounds ... different. Upon updating your EQ will be reset to flat so you ll need to reset it. - You can now link driver profiles to specific key fobs. What happens if a passenger also has a keyfob? What happens if the passenger approaches the car first? I have no idea yet. - On non-highways autosteer is now limited to the detected speed limit. It used to allow 5 mph over the speed limit. If you re using autosteer in those situations you may find that you re no longer keeping up with the normal flow of traffic so you may not use autosteer. I think this is Tesla quietly getting us to stop using autosteer where they think we shouldn t which is too bad because it does quite well providing you have an alert driver who knows how to use the driving aid properly. So how s the sound? What do you think of the autopilot restriction? EDIT: Possible bug report! I believe that every time your main console comes back from energy saving mode it will reset your EQ to +6.5 on all bands. I ve had this happen twice so far. I ve turned off energy saving mode to see if that helps then I ll make a formal bug report to Tesla.

majesticjg

2016-12-22 17:28:33

dbilg8d

To be honest I ve stopped using AP on non-highways. Yes I can use it safely. Yes it s useful at times but honestly it s more annoying than not. I feel like I m playing nanny to the car which actually is slightly distracting. I m disappointed by the change but with the number of reports that I ve seen about people noticing AP do unexpected things and personally the number of takeover events I have to do on non-highways I view this as a good thing. It s better than just flat out removing auto-steer completely on non-highways at least? Which is what some regulatory bodies seem to want anyway... That said I do use TACC when following a car on non-highways even in city traffic. It s very nice being able to let the car handle keeping the distance to the car in front.

Paleran

2016-12-22 19:29:50

Tesla Autopilot Performance Review

htthw6

2.8 yrs old and my model S won t super charge any more

I had heard about this happening - after some undetermined amount of miles charge-cycles superchargingKWh whoknowswhat.... your Tesla will get it s charge rate capped. Mine no longer will charge faster than 80kW. Most of the time it tops out around 74kW. Today I saw 80kW after driving from 99% down to 15% SOC. For a while I just thought I was having bad luck at SC s getting some old SC s that can t push the juice etc. But this has been happening for about 6 months now I think. I can t tell you how much this sucks. It nearly doubles the charging time. This seriously impacts road trips. Daily driving is no big deal I charge overnight at home most of the time. My car has about 55k miles on it and a fair amount of that (dunno how much but given I get free unlimited SC use it s at least half I would estimate) was supercharged. Anyone else get rate capped on their car yet? At how many miles did this happen? Anyone have high miles on a model S and still able to charge at full speed? Background: Sept. 2017 Model S with HW2.5 2wd 75kWh battery. The highest SC rate I ever saw in this car was last summer: I charged at a Kettleman City CA on I-5 and saw a max of 128kW charging rate. Has anyone heard of Tesla un-doing this charge-rate cap for anyone? I think I d rather sacrifice battery life or range (mine is already down to 220mi from an as-new range of 248mi) in favor of charging speed. Should I complain to Tesla? Or am I (as I suspect) well within expected battery performance?

seenhear

2020-07-19 03:00:21

fyixe8w

Yes. Well known. Same age identical mileage max charge rate 81-82kW 75kW variant. Perfectly normal unfortunately. Essentially you will be permanently throttled on certain pack variants after approximately 25-30K miles of DC fast charging and the pack computer has a counter. This cannot be turned off or reset by Tesla. The SC can and will confirm with enough harassment the reason for your reduced speeds. They did for me. If you get a new pack due to failure this process will begin all over again. Most of us with this issue have the legacy 8yr unlimited warranties. Maybe you ll get lucky. Frustrating indeed but does not double the charging time and many other variants have also now been slowed for a variety of reasons including spontaneous combustion risk battery gate warranty claim reduction ect add to this all the various reasons people experience slower supercharging speeds in general including pack too hot or cold charger too hot or cold charger handle too hot shared stalls faulty charging stalls...and the matter becomes quite complex indeed. Legacy 75 variants are excellent road cars up to about 300 miles. If your regular trips exceed that you may want to consider other options. https: m.youtube.com watch?v=Qbl74bL0zGQ

XscapeVelocity

2020-07-19 03:16:53

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

ifuy4d

20 Performance Rims: 2.6K Suspension Upgrade?

I am in the market for Tesla Model 3 Wheel &amp Tires. I found a great deal for lightly (&lt 8K miles) used 20 inch performance rims but Tesla is saying they need to perform a $2.6 suspension control arm upgrade for my Mid-range Tesla to be able to support it. Is it truly needed? The seller is telling me that the car auto adjusts and it s total BS. He is saying because you have an option of selecting the rim size from the UI the car should handle it fine. I don t believe that is the case as even the Tesla 20 Winter Tire Package says This package includes rear suspension adjustments to optimize ride quality and is only available for installation after delivery. I currently have the 18 aeros. \------------- UPDATE: Thanks for everyone that chimed in. After speaking to multiple TM3 owners in my community (i posted the same question in my local tesla facebook page) it has come to my knowledge that a lot of people have had done this before and upgrade to control arm suspension is **NOT REQUIRED**. This might be a comfort thing but not a requirement. I picked up the wheels earlier today and got them installed from a local tire shop. Car runs smooth and nothing out of the ordinary other than the fact that it looks BADASS w black Plastidip. See photos. It s truly sad that Tesla customer service is worse than the DMV. I spoke to two different Tesla reps at the **\*\*BRAND NEW\*\*** Sterling Virginia service center and after consulting with their manager and a 2.6K invoice later I was told that if I don t get the service performed the 20 tire will not **\*\*physically\*\*** fit as there is not enough room. I just wish that Tesla was honest and said something along the lines of although the 20 rim will fit this is a recommended service due to x y z . Because my rear tire was busted I could not drive the car out of the service center. No loner tire was offered &amp I was told that I would need to arrange my own tow or set up an out-of-pocket towing thru Tesla customer service. I ended up calling my insurance and getting it towed from them to the nearest tire shop. &amp #x200B https: preview.redd.it kwwgz5x2o9j51.jpg?width=3024&amp format=pjpg&amp auto=webp&amp s=48c39a10cabbcde3d972d13af0b487ad378ae3b1

vigilantehacker

2020-08-24 18:40:28

g2px2mt

Of course the seller is telling you what you want to hear. They have a vested interest in you giving them money. I would generally trust Tesla that the 20 wheels may not be interchangeable. Remember the performance 3 sits a little lower and that might be part of the changes they make. If you want plug-and-play look for the 19 s.

majesticjg

2020-08-24 18:53:14

Tire and Wheel Maintenance

fgdt12

20 Inch Tesla wheels on long range AWD

I am looking to replace my stock 18 inch wheels and was wondering if anyone had any information regarding the 20 inch wheels off the performance model 3. Will the 20 inch wheels fit my model 3 no problem? Are the 20 inch wheels off the Tesla website different from the ones that come with the performance? My plan was to wait for someone to sell a set of 20in s on craigslist but I can t seem to find a definitive answer regarding fitment of these wheels on a regular model 3.

Mauler2018

2020-03-10 13:28:21

fk3wap6

Have the performance 20s definitely don t recommend. They re great looking but the hit on the range and the constant anxiety of being one pothole away from a $800 bill is not worth it.

LostTesla129

2020-03-10 13:44:53

Tire and Wheel Maintenance

u7ygd8

20% Energy savings following a truck

On a recent trip across the (mostly) flat lands of the US midwest I found that cruising with follow distance of 2 behind a semi saves you about 15-20% energy at 75-80mph. I tested it repeatedly. Without a truck I was using 360-380 Wh mi. Following a semi it dropped to 300-310. Efficiency climbed from 63-65% to nearly 80% as another measure. I know the fact this happens is not anything new but I personally never knew how much or how consistent it was. Of course following a truck could have safety concerns but in self driving and at a distance of about 100ft behind the truck (that s about what follow distance 2 does in this case) it seems fairly safe. It s not nearly close enough to get a free ride from the truck. That is very unsafe. But it is close enough to allow the truck to block the wind a bit. So if you ever have a headwind or are running low on charge it is an easy way to remedy.

cdhutzler

2022-04-20 14:59:15

i5n4seq

Just pray that the truck has good tire flaps so you don t get a rock in the windshield.

Buckbeak

2022-04-21 17:31:49

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

twd5rd

200 000 Mile Model 3 video

Came across this video while reading comments on a 100k miles out of spec youtube channel. Worth a watch! Figured i spread the word [(46) Is a Tesla Model 3 Worth it After 200 000 Miles? - YouTube](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=5ejuJ1E_edQ)

Cg006

2022-04-04 21:09:41

i3fn6fl

Maybe I ve been around here too long so I m inherently biased but the question almost answers itself. If it reached 200 000mi to begin with the answer is yes.

Super_consultant

2022-04-05 01:35:42

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

3bptjf

2000 miles so far on my 70D with a cross-country road trip. My observations and Questions.

I m in the middle of my trip so no cool photos or detailed notes yet. I just thought I d share some notes and questions I have. Curious if others can help or share experience My Observations --- * I ve observed a 65.8 kWh battery capacity with the rest for emergency driving (below 0%). This was calculated by observing kWh used since last charge in the *Trip* tab and observing % battery used. * Rated range is 244 mile at 100% charge. I get about 210 miles with ICE driving habits and have gotten 285 miles while driving more carefully. * The rated Wh mi is apparently 270 Wh mi. Over 2000 miles mostly on I-90 I ve gotten 315 Wh mi. Speed was 70-85 mph and 90-110 F temperature. Questions --- * Does 65.8 kWh sounds reasonable for working battery capacity? I really wish the big green bar was in kWh and not rated miles or % * How do people account for elevation? I just used Energy = (mass of car) * (gravity) * (elevation change) to get -1.8 kWh 1000 ft going up? How efficient is regen breaking going down? I ve been using +1.0 kWh 1000 ft going down. * How in the hell do you get the AC to stay on while charging? We tried to sleep in the car at an RV park and tried the weigh down the driver s seat trick. All our bags and cooler didn t work so I had to wake up every hour or so to turn on the climate control from my phone. Miserable. * Has anyone else noticed the blind spot warnings going bonkers in even light rain? I might take it down to the service department but I ve been disappointed with the blind spot detection. Overall --- Love the car! Would definitely say the 70D is good enough on range and acceleration and I m happy we put the cost difference towards more exciting features instead like the divine TACC.

dinosaur_noises

2015-07-01 04:28:48

csoh18d

I think [this video is what you re looking for](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=33jmU-vY058) It shows how to put the Model S in camper mode so that the climate control doesn t turn off after half an hour. According to Bjorn it consumes about 5 - 7 km of range hour so you ll want to take that into consideration when you use it.

Quality_Bullshit

2015-07-01 07:23:44

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

8cfmos

2000mi (3220km) Model 3 roadtrip advice

I m flying to Phoenix Arizona to pick up a newish Model 3 (I m impatient and impulsive) and driving it about 2000mi (3220km) to northern Iowa. I only have about 2.5 days to do it. I plan on making a lot of quick stops at superchargers along the way. This will be a nice way to stretch my legs every few hours. I ll be stopping once at a campground with electric hook-up and spending the night in the car. That stop is about 12 hours of driving from Phoenix. I haven t planned my 2nd sleep stop yet. With that being said: * I ve never driven a Tesla before. * This vehicle does not currently have autopilot features activated. * I ve never been to the Southwestern United States before. * I m only bringing a backpack. It s a Condor 3-day pack so a fairly large carry-on. I ll have a small blanket pillow sunglasses and a set of clothes. * The longest I ve ever driven in one day is a little over 8 hours. * All the trip planners I ve checked say this trip should take about 35 hours including supercharger times not counting sleep or other extended breaks. * Only the currently planned overnight stay involves having to charge up to 100%. Is there anything I need to know about driving through the Southwest? Anything additional I should pack? Does the Tesla sunshade fold fit in a backpack? Is that something I d be able to just show up and buy at the Tesla store in Phoenix? I ll probably hit up a Walmart to buy an emergency tire repair kit just in case. But I m not sure what else I should have for this trip. Any advice for a successful trip is appreciated!

Pritel03

2018-04-15 14:57:14

dxejved

Awesome! This should be a fun exciting experience if you ve never driven a Tesla before. I ve driven cross country a couple of times in my Model S75D and will be doing so again in a few weeks so here are some quick tips from my experiences. - Don t overthink trip planning. Go to tesla.com trips and see exactly what Tesla suggests as a charging plan. I ve tried other trip planners but in my experience having more options to guess at makes its predictions no more accurate. You ll have to do simple math yourself (more on that later) if the weather isn t good. - Make sure you have a good weather app on your phone and one that will show wind speed AND direction. The fluid dynamics that impact your energy consumption are the largest unknown variables. Essentially denser air (cold humid) = more energy consumption at any given speed. Higher wind velocity compared to the car s velocity = more energy consumption at any given speed. The best way to know if you can make it to the next supercharger if the weather isn t ideal is to reset your trip meter drive a few miles to get an idea of how much energy the car is using in those conditions and multiply that consumption (Wh mile) by the number of miles to the next charging stop. This is where you can add a contingency in miles. (I don t suggest just randomly adding X% on top of your suggested charge goal.) Now divide that number by 75 000 (the battery capacity in Wh) and that tells you the % battery you need to make it. Hopefully the weather will be kind to you and you won t even need to do this. In the S X there are great websites you can load on the center screen that show you weather wind speed and direction as you drive so you can see what you re dealing with. Unfortunately the 3 doesn t have a browser. - On that note I suggest you go into Settings and the Units screen (don t remember what it is called in the 3) and have the battery represented in percentage instead of miles of range. For the reasons I mention above range doesn t really tell you anything realistic because the car doesn t know what the weather is. It ll be a complete distraction. - You re going to love autopilot! It s great for long highway drives that have low traffic. You mention it s not activated yet which I take to mean the car you re buying hasn t been driven yet. Autopilot will become available after driving ~25-50 miles. It s not the exact same distance for everyone but it s negligible considering your distance. That ll give you time to get used to the car before you use it. It makes hours of highway driving a complete breeze! - If you ve never driven really long distances before I strongly suggest that you prioritize sleep. Driving 15-16 hours in a Tesla is not that bad if you re rested. If you re exhausted for the whole trip it will not be a pleasant experience my friend. - An air compressor is a good idea. I have one that has a sealant canister as well so if I m in Nowhere MI (which is often the case) and I get a flat I can inflate the tire and inject sealant as a temporary measure to patch the hole. Might help you make it home by your deadline without waiting hours for a tow or repair on the side of the road in Oklahoma. - You mention charging at a campground. I would call them and double-check what plugs they have. You may need to buy and adapter to take with you to actually charge there overnight. That s all that comes to mind at the moment. Good luck!

krtrice

2018-04-15 15:15:46

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

hhs2tb

2009 Tesla Model S (Fully Functional) Prototype at the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles + Cybertruck [IMAGES]

I went to the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles to see the Tesla Cybertruck exhibit today and saw this 2009 Model S (fully functional) prototype. They had an original Roadster next to it as well. I wish I could ve gotten a little closer to take a picture of the interior. It didn t look like it had the 17 center screen. Info: This Tesla Model S prototype was one of the earliest fully functional prototypes of the Tesla Model S sedan. Whereas the company s previous model the Roadster was a niche sports car the Model S was an electric car for everyday use. The first Tesla designed and produced entirely in-house the Model S was meant to to make electric cars fashionable and able to compete with gasoline-powered cars. It achieved this goal becoming the first electric car to earn Motor Trend s Car of the Year Award in 2013. https: preview.redd.it dbihr1j8is751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=b65a81e25f4cf5ad3924bc7c31535e278ff76b09 https: preview.redd.it 74iz1zoais751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=54b1d015012871f1708248a8969c36c3a664e3b2 https: preview.redd.it u4qalzoais751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=87f43d2ced47d5e2dc5233ebf587f799512cd235 https: preview.redd.it 2q7o3zoais751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=0171364dcb47a32134c4f2bad5427bbe842e26ac And here are some pictures of the Cybertruck I took. It s purge and apocalypse-ready. https: preview.redd.it 9qof5v0eis751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=397460040fcff462945f9c6c6e8f4e86602622c2 https: preview.redd.it t5rkqu0eis751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=5fb0c1e8576a95c65d7a5ef089b4894c7db64db4 https: preview.redd.it 01wjk23eis751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=a4e5b5670cd6b7ebf316051c05de6348bd670f75 https: preview.redd.it r1b71o0eis751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=9d6897b4573d7576ec614cffa663ba1eb013ec0d https: preview.redd.it p8wkep0eis751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=347eb82aeff27f52a66b5ee7a8d7b00dfadb9583 https: preview.redd.it 8r0qcv0eis751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=6dbc025f918d0052b8751680aafda5baec5363d0 https: preview.redd.it tgx1vm0eis751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=4121df2dd35e1953bdf8c5dc570f56a4de03b728 https: preview.redd.it lct4n23eis751.png?width=1920&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=4b343da9a2362c25334c5053e01dde40250016c4 Designed to resemble the futuristic vehicles in the science-fiction film *Blade Runner* (1982) and James Bond s aquatic Lotus Esprit in *The Spy Who Loved Me* (1977) the Cybertruck is Tesla s first pickup truck model. The Cybertruck combines utility with performance featuring an all-wheel drive electric powertrain and a durable exterior made of stainless steel and Tesla armor glass. The truck s bed or vault is engineered with 100 cubic feet of lockable storage space and has an innovative automatic tonneau cover.

ljcihak

2020-06-29 03:01:18

fwbxomc

Well I do see the Fisker design in this one.

dltesla

2020-06-29 03:05:45

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

bzddsp

200kW vs 150kW vs 120kW charging curves (Model 3)

&amp #x200B https: i.redd.it 0wpein8nnq331.png &amp #x200B 200kW: Ionity (by [Bjørn Nyland](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=PPrVZtzAqX4)) 150kW &amp 120kW: Tesla Supercharger V2 (by [Out of Spec Motoring](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=D_jM4JkL32A)) &amp #x200B Time for 10%-50%: 11.0 vs 13.5 vs 15.7 (minutes) Time for 10%-80%: 25.9 vs 33.3 vs 33.6 (minutes)

Evan147

2019-06-11 14:45:46

eqrqk41

Given that no one actually cares about the power the best graphs would be SOC vs time. For each curve you could see how fast they charged the car.

jpbeans

2019-06-11 15:38:19

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

730oyz

2012 Model S Signature vs 2017 Model S

I saw a 2012 Model S Signature edition for sale not too far from me for $41 000. I m very interested. Being an older model what features doesn t it have compared to thee current model S? I also have a Model 3 reservation. Would it be a good move to buy the 2012 S drive it until my 3 is delivered ( April 2018?) then sell the S?

nadacloo

2017-09-28 15:09:25

dnmok68

Here are the main differences I can think of: 3G Modem instead of LTE. Lower resolution touch screen. No Autopilot capability(obviously). Newer models also have improved noise dampening. I love the look of the Model S and I ve considered going that route too but I ve decided to just wait for my Model 3 because the technology is more of a priority to me.

lesta09

2017-09-28 15:32:16

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

mvmuct

2012-2013 Model S Teslas

Hello I ve been considering getting a Tesla I noticed the 2012-2013 Model S versions have been now selling for under $20 000. I feel like I know what I m getting into the cars won t have any self driving features or get the newest software. I researched the MCU and ECU situation I may be able to upgrade them to enable auto pilot? Please give me some thoughts on buying one. Would love some feedback or warnings of doing so.

123Data

2021-04-21 19:04:02

gvcvqyx

2012-2013 model year cars do not have any autopilot hardware on board. Only cars manufactured after September 2014 do and those use the MobileEye single camera system referred to as AP1. You will not be able to gain any autopilot features by upgrading the MCU.

thisisreadonly

2021-04-21 19:10:21

Tesla Model 3 Review

hupz2m

2013 85kwh Model S vs 2020 Model Y Performance

We purchased a Model S in 2013. It s been my daily driver for the past 7 years and \~92 000 miles. We ve been happy enough with it that my wife decided to get a Tesla when it was time for her new car. She could have had an X or S but she picked the Y. We ve had it for a few weeks now and thought I would share some thoughts. **Short version:** No surprise a new Model Y is an overall better car than a 7 year old Model S. Of course you can get a used 2013 Tesla for less than a new Model Y so I guess the market agrees. That said money aside a new Model S is still the best Tesla IMHO. Obviously my wife disagrees. 😊 **Details:** **Buying delivery experience** – Buying our Model S in 2013 was a big deal. Pick up including the whole factory tour and someone patiently going over every detail. Buying the Model Y was the opposite. It was like click click wait 4 weeks go to pick up someone says ‘yep it s over there drive away. In some ways I preferred doing it that way but it s still a bit anti-climactic. **Initial quality** – We had several issues with our Model S to start with. Even some dings when we accepted delivery. Main issues covered by warranty over time but still. Given the quarter end rush and Model Y being new I expected more of the same. I spent at least 30 minutes looking for issues before we even took delivery. However I haven t been able to find a single issue with the Model Y. No problems at all over the last few weeks either functionally or cosmetically. The build quality seems solid all around. I know some folks have been complaining online but we have had zero issues so far (knock on wood). **Exterior design** – I still like my Model S better but honestly the Model Y looks great in person. Much better in person than online. Better than the X or 3 IMHO and my wife thinks it s the best looking Tesla. **Interior design** – Again I prefer the look of the interior of the Model S. The dual screen set up with the larger center screen makes the interior feel more complete and functional. That said the center screen on the Model Y is just fine and is surprisingly natural to drive with the one center console. The seats and seating position on the Model Y are much better. Not only are you physically sitting in a more comfortable position but the seats themselves are more comfortable. I understand newer Model S s have better seats but the 2013 seats are not great. That said easier to stretch out on a Model S given the increased size. I think storage is better in the Model S even though the total cubic feet may be better in the Y. Model Y is taller but Model S is wider and that seems more important for most stuff. There is less wind noise in the Model S but both are great. Visibility is better in the Y. **Driving experience** – Model Y is quicker on paper and NOTICEABLY quicker in person. Super fun to zip around and I would rather be in the Model Y both for long trips and around town. Autopilot is a plus but for me I only want to use it in stop and go traffic or on a long steady stretch of highway. Handling is great with the Y. Main area I would give the nod to the 2013 Model S is on sweeping high speed roads. Again with a new Model S I think the overall equation would change with more range faster speed better seats. **Battery** – The Performance Model Y w the Performance Upgrade Package and my 2013 Model S have almost the same range. When I bought the Model S the range was 266 miles. Since then it went to a top of 290 miles as Tesla pushed out improvements to battery management. Now it maxes around 284 and the Y with PUP is 280. Side note - I love driving by my neighbor every day who told me when I bought the Model S that I would have to buy a new battery pack in 3 years. 😊 **Value for money** – yeah Model Y. No question. **My next car** – So the wife gets the Model Y. Again she preferred it over a new Model S but personally I do not. For me my 2013 is still going strong it s paid off and I am in no hurry. By the time I need to replace it I think it will be between the nextgen Model S or a CyberTruck.

sunol1212

2020-07-20 17:52:27

fyomoh4

This many years later and your battery is still at 284? That s tremendously impressive.

nomis_nehc

2020-07-20 18:30:17

Tesla Model 3 Review

7hntvu

2013 CPO Battery replacement after 2k miles(38k on car) my experience and questions

I bought my 2013 S85 with 35 36k Miles and at 38k miles the HV battery failed me. Tesla was awesome from the get go sending a truck to tow to service however they did not have an CPO s to loan out at that time so I did have to wait 3 days until they had one on hand(15 85D) It was originally slated to take 2-3 months as the rep told me ended up taking about 7 weeks Although at one point the rep called me 6 weeks in and said... we would be lucky to see the battery by the end of year so for me to have it back today was a big surprise. Was overall really cool to get another Tesla while I wait and a more loaded one at that However not having app control is a big pain after you are used to it and limited to 85 is also a bit of a bummer. When I got my car back they had fixed a number of issues that they noticed while they had it in (not that I even mentioned) Front struts Main console display had a noisy fan so they changed the whole thing and my frunk wasn t closing correctly so they fix that. Now the really cool thing was they replaced my 85 with a new battery and thats awesome by itself but the rep told me they actually gave me a 90 so Bonus! I asked if it was software locked or anything but he said no its unlocked and should recognize on the display with new range. I got home and even before I charged to 100% I did some quick math for miles of range to SOC compared to what that would result at 100% and it didn t add up in a positive way. So I just charged to 100% and the car is showing 259 Range which was the range I had on my 85 before I had it taken to service. Is the computer just not calibrated yet? Shouldn t it do simple math? xx xxx wh of capacity 300 whm = xxx range? so if it had a higher capacity it would show on the cluster with updated numbers? this seems off anyways if anyone knows why I d love to hear otherwise overall great experience with the loaner to the service of above and beyond just to get little things they saw that needed repair done and if I did get a bigger battery then sweet!

Redicbane

2017-12-05 06:14:44

dqsj3ih

Hi. I can think of a few possibilities. 1. The software was not updated and the car thinks it has an 85 kWh battery. 2. The battery is software limited. 3. The battery is 90 kWh but it s not new. 4. The battery is not 90 kWh. 5. The EPA rated range of the Model S 90 is low. Can you check the following data: * Does it still show 85 like in [this](http: lh3.googleusercontent.com -gG-Ts6-Yfbw VgE2ILX3fGI AAAAAAAABxQ VjcUv1j23fA s640 blogger-image-757313486.jpg) photo? * Can you check what the battery label shows? [Here](https: cdn.teslarati.com wp-content uploads 2015 09 Tesla-Model-X-90kWh-P90D-Battery-1024x683.jpg) is an example. It s in the right front wheel well. What version is it (A B C D)? A new 85 kWh pack has 77.5 kWh usable capacity and a new 90 kWh pack has 81.8 kWh usable capacity. You could charge to 100% and then drive until it s almost empty. Your trip consumption would show how many kWh you have consumed. However for this test to be accurate you must complete the whole test without leaving the car parked for a while because vampire drain is 3 to 4 kWh per day and the trip meters don t count it. Therefore leaving the car parked overnight or for a few hours will completely mess up the accuracy of what the trip meter shows.

Teslike

2017-12-05 07:58:26

Tesla ownership feedback and issues

7r52s9

2013 Model S 60 for Sale In NJ $37k asap!

Hi All I am getting the Model 3 next week in NJ and will be trading in or hopefully selling my Dolphin Grey Model S. Please txt me if you are a serious cash buyer. 57 000 miles and in great shape. Garage kept and all upgrades sunroof air suspension prem audio black leather obeche wood dash.. No Autopilot but Supercharging for life!! Looking for someone who can close quickly since I need to pay for 3 soon. Thx! I thought you would like this 2013 Tesla Model S for $37 000 on Autotrader http: atcm.co S2PVDP 1c4f532b

kdecpa

2018-01-17 22:53:10

dsu9ws0

Nice very nice. I m seriously considering an S60 75 in the 40k range. Even a private sale would put me up on the 3 waiting list I think I m currently in the Feb - Apr range for delivery. Good luck on the sale and congrats on the 3.

tengage

2018-01-17 23:03:56

Tesla Model 3 Review

hnjk50

2013 Model S for 20k (a friend recent passed and is offering to car to me for this to get rid of it) and it has 29k miles

So Ive done some research and I understand that the 2013 gen was a rough year for Tesla and it doesn t include AP and that the battery is dated as well as the technology behind it. The man who drove the car out 30k on it over 7 years before he passed so he rarely used it and the car is in great shape. Now I can get another used model s that s 2016 for around 35k. I m wondering what your thoughts are on the situation and if that price is cheap enough to snag the model s given that years issues Thanks for your time!

DjAdolfChrist

2020-07-08 15:54:45

fxbousp

If you don t buy it I will.

b_ack51

2020-07-08 16:01:57

Tesla Model 3 Review

7z1b9j

2013 P85 battery issues

My 2013 P85 only charges up to 225 miles last nite it died with 41 miles showing on the battery charge bar graph and with an estimated range of 49 miles shown on the on the Average range graph it was about 55F so cold weather shouldn t have been the issue . I also experience dramaticly reduced power on when driving on the last 1 3 of the battery. Any advice? Is my battery just getting warn out? why can t I charge above 225miles today? Is my effective range now 225-49 = 176 miles? Help!

JD50572

2018-02-21 00:54:14

duknaw8

Contact the service center. Sounds like a worn out battery and or I wouldn t be surprised to find out your battery is out of balance. Do you supercharge often do hard launches often?

Wetmelon

2018-02-21 01:02:30

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

4zwsis

2013 Tesla Model S are now running as low as 40k?

Hey guys I was just browsing through Craigslist looking at the 2013 Tesla Model S and it appears that some of them are going for as low as 40k with only 40k miles on it. What is the reason for this? Are there any particular faults in the 2013 model that causes it to be so inexpensive?

pineapplemew

2016-08-27 23:20:20

d6zeaar

A brand new Model S starts at $56K after incentives. A 3-4 year old one with the comprehensive warranty ending being worth $40K is actually really high. Most other cars would ve depreciated more.

odd84

2016-08-28 00:18:17

Tesla Model 3 Review

muvtla

2014 Model S - Catastrophic Battery Failure

Hi All I woke one morning last week to a car with zero battery % and it was so dead the charge port would not open. Couple of days later Tesla confirm it was a complete battery failure which is covered under warranty. Mileage was 118k km for those interested. I m told it will take 3 weeks to replace. Couple of questions: - Tesla are not providing a loaner car (Ireland). Is this standard? - The car is 85kw battery. Do Tesla have these in stock or so we get a new reconditioned battery? - 3 week timeline. Anyone else with experience if that s accurate? - What is the warranty on the battery when it s replaced? (I ll be checking when I get the car back anyway) I m considering a trade in should I ask Tesla for a quote before the battery is replaced? Would they consider the replacement cost and try to make it worth my while to trade in? Thanks! Edit: mileage is not 118km it s 118k km

Feidhlim77

2021-04-20 17:38:34

gv869rw

I ve heard that the 85kwh batteries are being replaced with 90kwh packs because the 85kwh packs are not available anymore. Other than that these questions are best aimed at Tesla. They know more about what they have and don t have and how long it ll take than we do.

majesticjg

2021-04-20 17:44:49

Tesla ownership feedback and issues

8ohjcz

2014 S85D

I have an option to buy a Tesla Model S 85D with all the bells and whistles... Autopilot Air suspension and premium interior. The car is at a dealer for $49k it has 57000 miles. is this worth buying? can you let me know the how the warranty works? i think its 8 years 125k bat and drivetrain... anywho some feedback would be appreciated.

budgeuk

2018-06-04 14:08:57

e03ieu4

FWIW - I would not want to own air suspension out of warranty

Jddssc121

2018-06-04 15:48:47

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

wuvnyl

2014 Tesla MS P85 Been in the shop for 162 out of the last 282 days.

Hello I just received my car (2014 model S P85) from the Tesla Service Center in Salt Lake City after waiting 51 days for a replacement of the high voltage interlock loop. Below shows an overview of my car repairs for the last year. &amp #x200B https: preview.redd.it vqq1avx50aj91.png?width=704&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=bdff1af3d1e42dd69f68721c5cac19e5e62fcf99 &amp #x200B [Simply showing it s been broken in the shop for 57.4&amp #37 since 11\ 8\ 2021.](https: preview.redd.it o31g8qy60aj91.png?width=921&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=0ca59047be5230d31add992df5815a6de9f20d0f) &amp #x200B &amp #x200B [This is mostly a funny graph showing how happy I was to buy my dream car to how miserable this piece of shit has been. Simply laugh and keep reading. :\)](https: preview.redd.it 0ttmbeyg0aj91.png?width=838&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=2227fd52d7c0958595dfe8fc3879dd1da27a1473) &amp #x200B This reddit link is nothing more than to show error codes I received in October 2021 which have been the same codes in Nov Jan June. [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pzjyx8 error\_codes\_on\_2014\_p85\_ms\_please\_help ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pzjyx8 error_codes_on_2014_p85_ms_please_help ) After picking up my car and driving to a nearby park I realized they duct taped the underbody panel part to my car. See photo below. This is a plastic panel piece near my rear left wheel.  Looks like they decided duct taping it was the best solution instead of fixing the clips. &amp #x200B [Missing a couple of plastic clips so it was just hanging there... It s a small piece and honestly I don t really care aside from that it seems like the lazy \\ fix\\ for an expensive electric car.](https: preview.redd.it vhm9mi1j0aj91.png?width=1281&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=5d480f41a59a28aae34d320de7dc2ffa9028f065) &amp #x200B Video showing the duct-taped part. [https: drive.google.com file d 1XTgKEsaYLV8ckhlCLsDQW1IiRAIwY9Sv view?usp=drivesdk](https: drive.google.com file d 1XTgKEsaYLV8ckhlCLsDQW1IiRAIwY9Sv view?usp=drivesdk) Over the last 162 days I ve chatted with a lot of customer service reps in Salt Lake City Utah.  I had one tell me (over the phone otherwise I would have a screenshot for you) that they sent an engineer from corporate headquarters to look at my car.  I later messaged via the Tesla app asking about this engineer but the new rep who responded had no idea what I was talking about.  Which person is correct and why did the other lie to me? &amp #x200B https: preview.redd.it y0m3xwgv0aj91.png?width=263&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=aab436cad1bf5456ed4881948a8089de9bce71a8 The customer service rep told me Tesla is waiting on a part that was on backorder but later another rep told me there are no parts to replace in the HVIL.  Again which person is correct and why is the other one lying to me? &amp #x200B [Simply showing employee said they ordered a part.](https: preview.redd.it xdibphrz0aj91.png?width=421&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=9da4112598fe174961737754649d3645bd8246f3) &amp #x200B &amp #x200B [Next employee saying HVIL is not a part to replace. \\ Not an option\\ ](https: preview.redd.it 48jt9sa41aj91.png?width=421&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=cbeecd3ac3eaf5bfa8b06e0e5a8b15bfff4a0ef1) &amp #x200B I later talked with the service manager who said they replaced the high voltage interlock loop. The customer service rep and my invoice show “General HVAC Thermal System Calibration”.  Again… Which one is correct and why is the other lying to me? &amp #x200B [As of 8.21.22 the new invoice does now show \\ Forward Junction Box - 1st Generation \(RWD\) \(Remove &amp Replace\)... Promise when I received the car it said \\ General HVAC\ Thermal System Calibration\\ ](https: preview.redd.it ibav4sia1aj91.png?width=427&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=8f96cdb08d9d5e463097bf7a0c8365d36a304eae) &amp #x200B I asked for a list of error codes my car has received since owning the car.  I wanted to prove that it s been the exact same error codes every time. The service rep told me that is something they cannot do.  Why can I not receive a log of error codes my car has triggered since owning the car? &amp #x200B [CS not sending me information about my car... Why not?](https: preview.redd.it cx9w4vhh1aj91.png?width=423&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=43535b986007ed4ed9dff5b8b3df4dee19aae481) &amp #x200B I asked to chat with the manager when picking up my car. We agreed to meet at 4:30 pm and after 50 minutes of waiting... I finally got to chat with him. He told me that he can t view the history of this car so he couldn t tell me previous error codes repairs before I was the owner etc. This is unacceptable. Taping up plastic pieces to my car is unacceptable.  Having customer service reps tell me different things is unacceptable.   Not telling me information about my car is unacceptable. Having my car in the shop for 162 days is not fucking okay.  I do not believe Tesla actually knows what is wrong with my car… and is guessing parts to replace in hopes the error codes go away.  **The error codes have been the same codes every single time (they refuse to send me a list of error codes to prove it. They wipe my notifications so I can t look via MCU to prove this)**.  I suspect that the drive motor battery management system nor the replaced chips in the HV battery are the issue.  I am not confident that the latest HVIL replacement (or didn t replace according to one employee) will fix the issue either. The technicians in Salt Lake City need additional training or to be replaced with component technicians.  I could pull up service chat logs from previous repairs and find more examples of when the technician and customer service reps had no clue what is going on (at the very least not on the same page).  This is unacceptable to run a business like this.  I have a reserved model 3 (est. Nov delivery) &amp Y (est. Jan delivery) that I do not want anymore because of what s happened. I ve requested Tesla to buy my car at fair market value and then they can throw it in the dumpster to get rid of this problem.  It is unethical for Tesla to sit on their hands waiting for my warranty to expire (May 2022) to then not repair the problem… They tried to deny warranty work in June as my warranty was 1 month expired... But after 3 weeks of fighting they finally agreed it is the same issue and will perform repairs under the warranty. &amp #x200B [The only information I ve received from Tesla so far. Simply noting they will not repurchase my car.](https: preview.redd.it pj5py1c12aj91.png?width=1378&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=a7f66f44de20d86654d2210defc74ab67f4f4785) &amp #x200B I ve looked into getting a lawyer to press charges for lemon law but it appears I have to buy new directly from Tesla to qualify (although some sites show manufacturers have to honor their warranty which I don t believe they have). I m stunned by this situation. I ve emailed the legal team press their corporate auto resolutions email and the SLC service manager and have not received much help. I m getting ignored which is why I ve started posting on Reddit Twitter social media to mostly laugh about my situation to my friends others and hopefully raise awareness of how horrible Tesla Service Center has been. I m still a big EV fan. I shouldn t be after this but I am. Tesla needs to address this issue.

teltic

2022-08-22 14:49:34

ildcrbq

In case you were curious [here s a great explanation](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=BC1zCC7CeX8) of what the HVIL system is. It s not a single part that s easily replaceable but instead a set of sensing wires that accompany all the high-voltage connectors of the various wiring harnesses that act as a safety shut-off if any of the connectors are loose or disconnected. It s one of those things that s absolutely necessary for safety but at the same time hard to troubleshoot due to the various possible failure points.

Wugz

2022-08-22 20:51:54

Tesla ownership feedback and issues

73t5vz

2014 Tesla Model S - Non-Damaged Flood Salvaged Title

I wanted to ask the community for some advice. I have found a local dealership that specializes in insurance claimed cars. It s worth noting that the dealership has great reviews online. The dealership has a 2014 Tesla Model S for sale for only $36 900. The car has about 10 500 miles on it and it looks to be in immaculate condition. The car was apparently purchased as a Non-Damaged flood vehicle from the Houston Texas area and had been owned by a local attorney there. It was parked in a garage along with other vehicles and all of them were paid in the claim although not all were damaged. After purchase and shipping to this local dealership the owner of the dealership drove it approximately 1 500 miles with no issues. The car currently has a MV907a salvaged title. The dealership has guaranteed me that the vehicle will pass state inspections and has even offered to do that for me. The dealer told me that once the vehicle has passed the NYS inspection that it will be given a Rebuilt-Salvaged title instead of the current Salvage title. I asked about problems with the car and was told that the only thing was that the rear trunk releases but you need to manually lift it to open. My thoughts are as follows: - My understanding is that Tesla warranties do not apply to cars of this nature so I m out of luck there. - This car is obviously being sold for relatively cheap when compared to other cars at market value. Even if there were repairs to be made due to flood damage would it still be a good investment? In other words would the repairs needed (if any) still keep this car under market value? I don t have enough to afford a new Tesla Model S so used is pretty much my only option. Is shelling out an extra 20k-25k worth it to get a used Tesla from Tesla s own used inventory? Just hoping to hear the communities thoughts. I know buying this car would be a risk. But is that risk worth taking?

JGoldz75

2017-10-02 14:40:32

dnswzdt

&gt would it still be a good investment? Let s all repeat this together: Cars are not investments Cars are not investments Cars are not investments Depreciating Assets are not Investments

IwantaModel3

2017-10-02 15:12:43

Tesla ownership feedback and issues

e29uhk

2014 model s blank release notes

My prior two updates 2019.32 2019.36 showed me blank release notes after the update even though I got significant feature updates. Spotify with 2019.32 and Departure scheduled charging with 2019.36. Love that my car is still getting significant updates but I d like to know what they are without scouring the UI and Internet forums. What gives Tesla - is it that hard to give model specific release notes? Anyone else have this problem?

mychagrin

2019-11-27 03:21:42

f8uc5gy

Release notes are powered by the web browser which on the older MCU frequently lacks the resources to render. Trying to open the release notes after rebooting the MCU May work better. If it makes you feel any better this affects all MCU1 users so even 2018 models that are before the middle of the year. I wish they would fix it or swap out the rendering backend for the manual and release notes.

chillaban

2019-11-27 03:23:57

Tesla Software Update Analysis

d3eadg

2015 model S always power on the USB ports.

I have a Model S I bought used 6 months ago. I installed a dash cam that is not supposed to be always on. Today I was to check some video from the cam and realized it has been recording always. Is it normal to have always power in the USB? I read online and the USB port shouldn t have power when the car is off. Should I contact the service department? Do you think the previous owner did some modifications to have always power on the USB ports? Thank you

MajaVivo

2019-09-12 20:56:02

f0258cc

No we do not have always on USB. If you want always on you will have to pull the cable from the rear view mirror. https: imgur.com 4Uy2bD8 https: imgur.com O2OmrLA https: imgur.com BUaa6aS Edit: I can get you better pics if you want help on installing it this way.

rcnfive

2019-09-12 21:26:13

Tesla Sentry Mode Setup

jiq9ok

2016 Model X charge time VS 2020 Model X LR+

Hey all! I have a 2018 DLR M3 and 2016 DLR MX. The model 3 can charge twice as fast as the MX when we are on a road trip with both. What is 2020 charge times vs 2016? Any input would be great! Planning an upgrade but wanted to wait for the new cells to be used but also don t want FSD to increase toooo much before upgrading. My 2016 is V1 autopilot so the V3 hardware will already be crazy different from my current MX. Thanks for the thoughts comments!

Stayputandearn

2020-10-26 23:47:52

ga81tp3

Both cars support 250kw supercharging. The more efficient car (Model 3) will gain miles faster because it doesn t need as much power to get to the next charging station. In real life though you re talking about a 5 - 10 minute difference.

majesticjg

2020-10-27 00:23:43

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

gqmky0

2016 Model X?

Hey all I ve been waiting to put a deposit on a Model Y because I want the extra space for my two large labradoodles and I love kayaking and mountain biking so I need some extra space. I ve noticed this evening there are a lot of 2016 Model X s with around 20-40k miles for around $51-56k. Is there any reason I wouldn t want a 2016 Model X?

DamnRedhead

2020-05-26 00:20:23

frtmc03

2016 versions were known to have a higher rate of defects.

d1358166

2020-05-26 00:35:11

Tesla Model 3 Review

3y8cpl

2016 Predictions.

Next year is fast approaching. Care to share your 2016 tesla related predictions? Stuff like sales model 3 preorders battery factory stock price etc.

tree2626

2015-12-26 00:11:00

cybe6jh

March announcement for Model 3 which takes in 80 000 preorders in the first three months and 200 000 globally in the first 12 months. Powerwall for formal install begins in March with stock continuing to be sold out for one year with capacity being increased by 3kWh to 10kWh in Sept 2016 for the same price.

Strood

2015-12-26 00:43:39

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

btk2k6

2016 Tesla Model X charges faster than 2019 Audi e-tron (real life comparison)

For this comparison I used two videos. Bjorn video comparing fast charging https: youtu.be y9Z-vsx5mXs and nextmove video comparing consumption at highway speed (120 km h) https: youtu.be 9kAJwRuBTVY . [They use P100D and 90D respectively but it shouldn t make a big difference]. Quick math... E-tron usable battery is 83 KWh.  It charges from 4% to 100% in 43 min. With highway speed consumption of 305 wh km it means 272 km range. In a Model X with a consumption of 248 wh km you need 67 kWh to get the same range. It took 39 min for the Tesla to charge 67 kWh. So in then end to charge the same range (highway speed) it takes: 43 minutes with e-tron today 39 minutes with Model X in 2016 I can t wait to see the same comparison with the 2019 more efficient Model X. It should also be able to charge at 200 kw. Too bad that it doesn t have CCS port in Europe yet. Comparing them at the same Ionity charger would be perfect. (Yes you can actually use the adapter...)

CanaleTesla

2019-05-27 09:41:25

eoz5kkj

You should add that was a charging video from 2 years ago!!! for the Model X. The new 150kw charging speed will drop that time more then for the refresh it will make it EVEN further once V3 comes on board or they are both on the same 350kw fast chargers. That would be a great race to do plan out a route where both can take advantage of the same fast chargers of 350kwh then let them both race the same route but at the same max speed of 120km h (or posted speed limit). The Model X would win every time.

EVmerch

2019-05-27 11:11:12

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

6dn7hs

2016 model S 12 volt battery

Is the 12 volt easily replaceable in the 2016 model or is still the same way as it was on the older models? And was the life of the 12 volt ever improved on the 16s and 17s or does it still only last 1 year like older models

BlueManifest

2017-05-27 11:26:37

di41275

The 12v battery issues were improved in 2014 when Tesla switched to a deep cycle battery (much like a boat 12v). Granted some people still had issues. My 2014 s 12v lasted 3 years no problem. I m not sure where you are getting the 1 year number (though I do know of people still needing replacements occasionally)

dieabetic

2017-05-27 14:18:16

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

3v16sc

2017 Model 3 Competitor Chevy Bolt Revealed! Link inside

The Model 3 s competitor the 2017 production Bolt had spy shots taken here http: www.autoblog.com 2015 12 01 2017-chevy-bolt-spy-shots #slide-3724431 NOT TOO SHABY!! It looks like they got rid of that ultra modern interior and gave it standard chevy feel to it. Much more fleshed out but no ultra modern feel More interestingly the Bolt has slid to 2017 for production delays. I guess Musk isn t the only person being too optimistic about production schedules *snicker*. If this is what Chevy is offering I think we can safely assume that the Model 3 will be better for about the same price.

imfineny

2015-12-01 18:54:48

cxjejq2

And it is ugly as hell.

VileDevastation

2015-12-01 18:58:20

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

hyg6ez

2017 Model S 75 Issue - Wobbles on Auto-Pilot (2.0) with 3+ people in the car only at ~65mph+

I ve had my Model S for ~2.5 years best car I ve ever owned not close. However it s had an in-lane wobble issue with AP engaged occasionally since I ve owned it. In 2017 AP wobble issues were fairly common but were essentially eliminated with updates in early 2018. A little over a year ago it started again and I had Tesla look at it. They confirmed the issue via road test and confirmed that I had no alignment issue tires wheels were great but said updates had been released that may have bugs and updates were coming that should fix it. And that s pretty much what happened.... or so I thought. Now I m wondering if not. Took my wife and kids on a ~1500 mile drive to visit family and it was consistently wobbling to the point of being completely unusable which is so frustrating on a long drive like that. Seems to only happen with a few people in the car and only over 60 65 mph. Does pretty well without either of those conditions. To clarify when I say wobble it bounces back and forth within the lane and depending on the road can get so bad it seems incredibly dangerous. I obviously disengage before that so I can t say what would happen if I let it continue. Anyone have similar issues? Any ideas on what might be causing it or a fix? Or am I just f ed until I upgrade to FSD and get the 3.0?

sdsiohh

2020-07-26 22:25:42

fzck9yv

They confirmed the issue with your car and it doesn t happen with other AP2.0 cars? Updates to what exactly in 2018? I m not buying it. They should fix it if it only affects your car.

croninsiglos

2020-07-26 22:57:53

Tesla Autopilot Performance Review

6sy24j

2017 Model S 90D making strange noise. Thoughts?

Already contacted service and waiting to hear back from them but I ve only had the car for 6 days and wondering if I m missing something obvious that might prevent a trip to the service centre. Persistent clunking noise coming from the passenger side near the front. Not sure if interior or exterior. Recording from iPhone in the front passenger seat: https: www.dropbox.com s y7wanepogti4whg Tesla%20Noise.m4a?dl=0 Any insight appreciated!

hKnDeU

2017-08-11 01:51:33

dlghef6

Tough to tell but it kinda sounds like something is caught on your wheel. Maybe a stick.

gwoz8881

2017-08-11 02:36:14

Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience

3xy9tw

2017 Supercharger map -- where is it?

By this time last year Tesla had already released the 2016 Supercharger map. Where is the 2017 version? Does Tesla have something up its sleeve? Maybe they are going to partner with another automaker in 2017? Will battery swap finally expand? Does anyone foresee Tesla authorizing a third party to build for-profit supercharger stations? What s going on?

subhanallah4life

2015-12-23 11:10:56

cy8ynqr

&gt What s going on? Nothing I mean that literally Tesla has never been good about external communications. And virtually all forecasts predictions promises made my Tesla or Elon are overly optimistic fluff

geo38

2015-12-23 14:55:01

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

epda15

2017 Tesla Model X won t turn on unlock

Hey I came home this morning after driving about 75 miles. I parked my car like usual and it had about 70-80 miles range left. I went to go run a quick errand about 4 hours later and the car just wouldn t unlock turn on. At first I thought the key fob battery was dead then the other key didn t work either. Tried connecting with my phone and it just won t connect. My guess is it s the 12v battery but would love to know your opinions. It s a 2017 Tesla Model X 75D so I wasn t expecting the 12v to die in just a little over 2 years of ownership. My biggest question is what do I do about it? If it s in my garage does that count as a roadside assistance thing or who do I contact?

BibbyNation

2020-01-16 03:07:35

feiqjk9

The god damn 12V

Vik-

2020-01-16 03:18:24

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

dx2nlm

2017 X 75D

Ok so here is my last submission before my fiance becomes an X owner and just wants some help. We found what seems to be a great deal for a 2017 X at a third-party dealership. Price Tag $64 900 after trade-in ($6 500 for a 2012 Mustang with 105k miles) taxes fees etc. around $62 500. I will look to put around $12 500 down for a loan of $50 000 @ 4.39 for 75 mos. Specs: Metallic Grey Exterior Black Textile Interior 6 Seater (Pro as that is what she wants and these configs are hard to find) AP (online it is quoted as Enhanced AP but not sure if the dealership knows that or is guessing) but I am not sure about what hardware I was under the impression that anything 2017+ has the hardware for FSD but not sure how to tell. Also if it does have Enhanced AP is that considered FSD now? I am also confused as it has V10 but only has up to chess in games and does not have theater and thought it would anyone care to help me out as my fiance would like to purchase FSD at a later date she also LOVES that my 3 has the Theater mode and also loves Beach Buggy 2. With that being said I feel like this has an MCU1 but has the 2 or 2.5 AP hardware? And if that is true will I be able to upgrade to MCU2 3? This is all new as I came in with a new 2018 3 and purchased AP FSD afterwards and have AP2.5 and waiting for my free AP3 upgrades. Smart Air Suspension Subzero Weather Package (She loves the heated steering wheel) Towing Package (Con for my fiance as she does not like the look but I see it as a pro if we ever need to haul a small trailer for whatever reason plus I can cover it up with Disney tow hitch cover and she would love it) Power Liftgate 28 500 Miles Only con and this is my con as my fiance does not care is that it does not have Ultra High Fidelity Sound. From what I have seen from [Tesla.com](https: Tesla.com) the only ones anywhere close to this price with the same specs are around $70k some for around $74-77k with FSD and even with all that they are mostly 5 seaters maybe a 7 seater here and there but never a 6 seater. I know that I would be missing out on Tesla s renewal of the 4 year 50k mile warranty. But from my understanding with it being a 2017 one-owner I would still be eligible for the remainder of the original 4 year 50k mile warranty so around 1 more year and 18k miles which would still be great and also the remainder of the 8-year battery and drive unit warranty. Other than that I cannot see any other cons? So I feel like this is a really good deal? Anyone agree or disagree? Edit: I really do appreciate all the info and help after thinking about it and speaking with the fiancé. We wanted to wait and find a deal on Tesla.com mainly because we would like to have the 4yr 50k mi warranty and the option to purchase another 4 years. But also the process seems to be much more simplified. We spent hours at the dealership at first trying to haggle and get information on certain specs as it was an hour away from where we are located. After countless hours the dealership was not budging and they had no clue what they were talking about because they sold Volvo s. All in all this was a great learning experience with third party dealers selling Tesla s but also more info on the X. Thank you all and if any of you have more info or suggestions please feel free to still comment!

ajbrensike

2019-11-16 05:15:25

f7n4df0

Nobody answered your important questions so here: 1. Enhanced AutoPilot is not considered FSD. At this time they do have identical features but the next big feature (stoplight and stop sign detection) will only come to FSD and all features after that. 2. The car will have either the 2.0 or 2.5 HW chip. That will never be upgraded unless you buy FSD in which case they will upgrade you to 3.0 when it needs it - you do have all the physical hardware needed for FSD (at least right now). 3. The car will have MCU 1. Incapable of streaming on the web browser Netflix intensive games all that stuff. Not possible (or not likely) to upgrade to MCU 2 at least right now. It came out in the spring of 2018 for the S and X.

JCannonTech

2019-11-16 05:57:06

Tesla Autopilot Performance Review

6wvb5w

2017.34 2448cfc AP1

No release notes. I didn t see this version mentioned anywhere. Things I quickly notices: Passive Entry is an option under Settings Doors&amp Locks Easter Eggs automatically pop up after a few seconds.

hkibad

2017-08-29 23:52:16

dmb3mhw

AP1 is also a lot smoother. Something big happened to our cars and noone has told us.

_gosolar_

2017-08-30 00:51:04

Tesla Software Update Analysis

78y62a

2017.40 Firmware Megathread

This is actually going backwards a step because so many of us are on 2017.40. Just like the 2017.42 megathread this is where you can post your updates observations and considerations about this firmware update. So who s got it? What d it do for you? What s better worse or the same?

majesticjg

2017-10-26 20:02:42

doxp0f9

helping to populate the thread... * [2017.40 release notes from tmc](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 761jc2 201740_release_notes_from_tmc ?st=j98ygc5v&amp sh=c1ffb3ce) via u An_aussie_in_ct * [Mini review of AP2 on 2017.40.1 e29b97f. Improvements to lane line recognition and lane line changes.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 772yuz mini_review_of_ap2_on_2017401_e29b97f ?st=j98yfvme&amp sh=bed15960) via u humanwire * [Firmware 2017 40.1 Update Issues - AP &amp TACC Disabled](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 77ocvf firmware_2017401_update_issues_ap_tacc_disabled ?st=j98yg5v1&amp sh=817038be) via u amaninwomensclothing * [Tesla Autopilot Firmware 2017.40.1 e29b97f Demo Test Local Road Daytime](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 77s88y tesla_autopilot_firmware_2017401_e29b97f_demotest ?st=j98yg13c&amp sh=d2a936e4) via u Byshop303 * [AP2 2017.40.1 Demo on Winding Highway](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 78bz6w ap2_2017401_demo_on_winding_highway ?st=j98yg937&amp sh=10754f23) via u WhiskeySauer

GuardiansBeer

2017-10-26 21:06:08

Tesla Software Update Analysis

78qt55

2017.42 Firmware Megathread

So I ve been working with the mods a little. We rarely get good release notes from Tesla and while TMC is great for learning the most intimate technical details about an update it s really hard to parse because it has very long threads. It s unclear which version people are commenting on after the first week. So instead of random I got update threads we re going to do megathreads for firmware releases. This way we can all post release notes update impressions bugs and such in a single place that people can find them. I ll also be adding each Megathread to the Wiki so that in the future people will be able to search the prior threads to see the changes as they happened. A few notes of housekeeping: - We re only tracking the firmware in the year.week format. If there are multiple builds that week which is rare we ll just keep them all in one thread. - Try to stay on-topic about what s new different better or worse about this particular update. General discussion about other matters probably belongs somewhere else. - You **can** post your autopilot demo videos here but (unless the mods say otherwise) you don t **have** to. If it s up to me I d appreciate you posting your video here and including some text commentary about what was better or worse in this update. Then if you want to create a separate karma-reaping post go for it. - I ll be monitoring ev-fw.com to keep track of the latest versions creating megathreads and updating the Wiki. In time we ll have a list of threads people can link to for research purposes. - If you love or hate this idea please let the mods know so they can make intelligent executive decisions. We want to keep the signal to noise ratio good. So... Who s got 2017.42 and how s it going for you?

majesticjg

2017-10-25 21:12:52

dow4x4i

Starting with this fimware 5 cameras are now in use by AP2+ The 3 forward-looking ones (main narrow zoom) and the cameras in front fender repeaters. (I did not verify this yet but NNs for all 5 are now included so I assume they are in use will verify later today). EDIT: after some testing and tracing and such I now see that while two extra Neural networks are included they are not yet used (but soon?). The other surprising finding is that the repeaters Neural network is supposed to be used for 4 cameras: the repeaters and the A-pillar cameras. All the cameras other than the main and narrow lack calibration at the moment and so are only used for logging at this time. The wide angle camera (fisheye) NN is specifically marked that it is used for purpose of rain sensing only. vision_task.cpp:682] RAW: main_camera_index:0 vision_task.cpp:683] RAW: narrow_camera_index:1 detector.cu:205] RAW: TOTAL CAMERAS:2 It s still possible that somebody just included the NNs by mistake because some file locations has changed with this firmware too. But let s hope for the best!

greentheonly

2017-10-25 23:46:44

Tesla Software Update Analysis

7avc4r

2017.44 Megathread

2017.44 was released today. Known changes: - An Easy Entry profile now adjust the seat and steering wheel for easy exit. - A new acceleration mode called Chill is available to lower performance. Could this also be used as a way to help maximize range? So... Who s got 2017.44? Any other improvements or changes? Any Autopilot differences? [Release Notes](https: i.redd.it tqktftabb2wz.jpg)

majesticjg

2017-11-05 03:25:24

dpdpy98

I m actually eager to try the chill acceleration mode. A welcome addition for TACC EAP. I guess there isn t a corresponding chill deceleration mode huh? Would be nice if the car utilitzed the space between my car and the car in front when i have it set to 7 to make for a smoother drive. it s too harsh slowing down when the car slows down in front of you as though it prioritizes maintaining the gap over giving you a smooth ride.

yrrkoon

2017-11-05 16:01:13

Tesla Software Update Analysis

7dlmig

2017.46 Firmware Megathread

You know the drill: - Do you have it? - What are the release notes? - Have you noticed any other changes? - Any autopilot behavior changes?

majesticjg

2017-11-17 15:19:57

dpys6lz

I m still waiting for 2017.44 with easy entry. Then I can delete the additional driver profile for getting in and out of the car.

vertigo3pc

2017-11-17 17:05:59

Tesla Software Update Analysis

7i16lz

2017.48 Software Update Megathread

2017.48 started rollout on December 6 2017. - Release notes? - What s new? - What s different? - How s the autopilot? NOTE: As of January 3 2018 it appears Tesla may be changing the firmware release versioning. The Model 3 has gotten several iterations of 2017.48 that add and change features. 2017.48.15 includes rain sensing wipers for the Model 3.

majesticjg

2017-12-06 21:13:08

dqvkerc

Just updated same release notes as 46. https: i.imgur.com ctWq376.jpg

PontiusPalin

2017-12-06 23:55:00

Tesla Software Update Analysis

7kaomn

2017.50 Software Update Megathread

2017.50 started rollout on December 16 2017. - Release notes? - What s new? - What s different? - How s the autopilot? NOTE: As of 2017.50.3 AP2 cars get rain sensing wipers.

majesticjg

2017-12-17 00:25:29

drctg8g

Change seems to be that the easy entry exit seating position is now triggered by undoing the seatbelt not just putting the car in park

An_aussie_in_ct

2017-12-17 00:27:15

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8ovost

2018 Annual Shareholder Meeting Notes

Hey everyone I took notes during the shareholder meeting and thought I d post them. Hopefully I didn t make any big mistakes. I added a General flair cause a lot more than investing was discussed I did not take notes during the boring part. \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- EDIT: Whoa \-\- thanks for the gold!! Also I fixed some typos and added some additional clarifying nouns and verbs. \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- * All model 3 production lines demonstrated 500 cars per day * Likely achieve 5 000 cars week by end of month with upgrades * Market share – best\-selling mid\-sized premium sedans * More deliveries fewer repairs – quality and reliability improved by factor of 4 or 5 – working on getting better * Employee safety – thus far 2018 – injuries per person is 6&amp #37 below industry average – want to be 50&amp #37 better than industry average * Majority of injuries are repetitive stress – back or wrist strain need better tooling and fixtures and rotating people through different roles – Elon cares about this a lot * Supercharger expansion – 9 969 total globally right now * Want system so cars can basically go anywhere on earth * Excited about next gen – mostly finished in design * Gen 3 production later this year * Saving announcement for when it is ready to deploy * Will accelerate supercharger expansion after gen 3 deploys * 1 GWh storage deployed worldwide – another GWh in less than a year * Rate of stationary storage growing exponentially * Each incremental year will be more than all of preceding year for a number of years * Production limited right now * Expect to ship more batteries from gigafactory than all other EVs combines * Want to do more tours of gigafactory when things calm down – Elon: “It s like EPIC” – 2 hours to walk through all of the parts of giga if you don t pause a lot * A lot of non\-Tesla solar roof customers – spending a lot of time validating solar roof – want to last at least 30 yrs ideally half century or longer – only so much accelerated life testing you can do – will grow exponentially * Still expecting positive GAAP net income and positive cash flow in Q3 and Q4 – do not expect to raise any incremental debt or equity * Exciting products * Model Y – something super special * Unveil around March next year or maybe Q2 * Production about 2 years from now – maybe a little less * Similar timeline for Semi and Roadster 2.0 – will be better than what was unveiled * Figured out ways to improve range of Semi * Roadster 2.0 specs were base model performance – will have SpaceX option package * With Roadster 2.0 – want to show electric can outperform ICE in every way – get rid of halo effect of ICE cars – powerful in terms of general public perception * Twitter Questions being answered now * Model 3 production alien dreadnought 0.5 – will we see 1.0 or 2.0? * Made a lot of mistakes with model 3 production. Know how to address going forward for giga and for future factories. * Long term strength of Tesla will be manufacturing. Quite dramatic. A lot of people don t yet realize this. * Automation working in some cases – some cases not * Some parts well suited for robotics – some super well suited for person * Future production line will have relative bias to people – then automate the cumbersome parts * Elon inviting Tesla exec team on stage * Battery cost – best price and performance * Better than $100 kWh maybe later this year depending on material costs * Long term $100 KWh at pack level – less than 2 years away * Think they ve come up with good couple of breakthroughs on battery density and cost (see other answers to questions below) * Gigafactory construction progressing over next few years * Might be twice as big as next biggest building in the world * About 1 3 done right now * Close to announcing combined vehicle battery pack and powertrain in Shanghai China – holding discussions with various governments in China – going to be next gen Tesla factory – announcing all details really soon as soon as next month * One more in Europe announcement maybe end of this year * Expect 10\-12 gigafactories worldwide * Tesla Semi * Another revision of Tesla Semi is coming * Learned a lot so far and making better * Range way beyond what industry thinks possible * Will work in US Europe China rest of world * One factory in works another one later this year (pretty sure Elon was referring to Semi) * Tesla will and does recycles batteries * Currently have partner companies on every major continent * Developing more internal processes and R&amp D to improve recycling further * Want to reuse same recycled materials – see a path to do this and on the way to doing this internally * Financial and ethical advantage to reprocess same materials rather than mine new materials * Model 3 repair and insurance * Working with insurance companies * Want to get insurance cost 20&amp #37 \-30&amp #37 lower than BMW 3 series or equivalent mid\-sized sedan * Improving repair costs also * Will definitely offer 35k version of Model 3 – early next yr * End of this year for smaller battery pack * Free autopilot trial – next month * Rapid progress in autopilot tech * New version this week – significant improvement * Will see that reliability and capability will increase exponentially over 6\-12 months * Rapid improvements * Model 3 wait times * Depends on part of world and what config * Current wait is 3\-4 months for current config * RHD version wait is over a year * Model 3: how many assembly lines * Varies * General assembly – 2 lines constructing a third * Third lines dramatically better than 1 and 2 * Started 3rd line a few weeks ago and already putting a car through it * 5 000 week with first two lines only * Highly confident they will increase that with third line * End of next month – model 3 in all stores * Service centers – doubling of capacity yr yr compared to right now * Expecting major progress on body shop front * They will have Tesla body shop repair locations * End of month – top 10 metro areas to be serviced by Tesla body shop – same day body repair for a lot of them – expecting dramatic cost and schedule improvements * Taking existing service center – annexing body shop – pre\-stocking parts for same\-day or very fast repairs * People lining up at mics now * Compact or subcompact vehicles? * Think we ll do compact car in less than 5 years * Autopilot – when fully enhanced functionality… in 6 months? * Laughter * Couple months maybe * They have two versions * Super complicated version not working well right now – simplified version working well * Elon personally used it highway on ramp to off ramp using simplified version * Fleet lease * offer model 3 leasing end of this year * can t do right now because it affects capital usage of Tesla * Starlink satellite network – will Tesla cars use that network? * Starlink more meant for fixed terrestrial – antenna is size of small to medium sized pizza * for mobile use (such as Tesla cars) might be possible if you had ground\-based repeater * Tesla will most likely continue to use wifi and cell network * How is Tesla engaging virtual power stations for charging in countries with no good infrastructure * gen 3 superchargers – more integrated solar\-battery system * don t need to be connected to the grid * example of virtual power plant * project in Australia – networking 50k homes in Australia * all houses talk together and they all talk to utility – building it right now in Australia – they have a small demo in US – want to then expand worldwide * doing a lot in Puerto Rico – maybe more than everywhere else combined * Supercharging time * factor of 3 or 4 improvement is possible * not applicable to all battery chemistry though * Elon: ratio of drive time to charge time should be at least 6:1 maybe closer to 8 or 10:1 * opportunity for range improvements down the road – excess of 400 miles on a charge * Use of leather in gear shifter steering wheel – please remove it * the only leather in the car right now is on steering wheel rim * Franz: not advertised because it s an off menu item but Tesla will replace leather on steering wheel for people who want all vegan car * person requesting to eliminate all leather * Franz: actively working on replacing leather steering wheel rim – want it to be same experience or better * Elon: model y will not have any leather – including steering wheel – even if it does have steering wheel \&lt smirk and looking off to the distance implying model y might not have a steering wheel\&gt * When will battery advancement get to be twice as dense without increasing size and weight * twice as much is tricky – maybe 30\-40&amp #37 improvement is for sure doable * with current tech they are confident in 30\-40&amp #37 improvement but need to get it to a point to build at scale * 2\-3 years for 30&amp #37 improvement * 6\-8 yrs for doubling – need lithium anode * Tesla tractions? * Fun silly things maybe later this year after high priority stuff is taken care of * AWD model 3 * Should receive config email next week or so * Starting AWD production this month * Scale up July and August * High volume September * Text commands to car (Heat car come pick me up) * Will keep enhancing Tesla app * Summon button car will find you * Want car to learn what you want similar to a great chauffeur (alluding to things like car will be set to temp favorite music playing seat positions etc.) * Autopilot and lidar – when will time tell which approach is superior * Lidar tends to a local maximum in autonomous driving capability – cannot rely on it to get to 100&amp #37 * Need to solve vision – once vision is figured out lidar is not adding really anything * Sonar and radar to help in edge conditions * Lidar is wrong wavelength * Want 4mm wavelength for occlusion penetrating * JB dropped off in Q1 filing documents – person expressing a little concern * Intent was to be more generic in filing \- it s not meant to imply anything that his name was dropped * “JB we love you we want you” * Energy storage still running double digit negative – how to get profitable * Definitely expect to turn significant positive and expect same margins as car business \- 20\-30&amp #37 gross margin desired for batteries * Later this year or early next year * Will expect big change and positive changes every quarter into 2019 * Comment about trust in Tesla timelines having been eroded * Elon: I think I have an issue with time * Anecdote of catching bus – brother would always tell me a slightly earlier time that the bus would arrive Elon would show up slightly late and they would end up showing up on time to catch the bus (i.e. his brother is intimately aware of Elon time ) * Trying to get better at it but it keeps happening * Will Tesla get in motorcycle business? * Musk used to ride bikes – then was almost killed by a truck * Tesla is not going to do motorcycles * Automatic emergency braking * Instead of last minute dramatic slowdown * Slow down sooner and less dramatically * Will occur with later versions of autopilot * Want to do it in a way that car is not annoying people where they turn it off but also make it safe * Model S has improved dramatically since 2012 – recommends people test drive new ones * Person asking about Elon s comment that future production line will have relative bias to people and then automate the cumbersome parts – why wasn t this done for model 3 * Overconfident about model 3 automation possibilities * Relied on others for tier 1 production items * Tesla will handle all tier 1 production items internally going forward * Will only contract out tier 2 and 3

eid3tic

2018-06-05 23:29:08

e06i828

Damn nice write up. Thank you!

Daheavyb

2018-06-06 00:03:27

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

7on6r8

2018 GOP Tax Bill as it relates to Section 179 deductibility of Model X.

I m a Model 3 reservation holder with a delivery window of Jan-March 2018. I expect to pay $49K for the car and expect to receive a $7.5K federal EV credit resulting in a $41.5K ultimate cost. (I m intentionally disregarding the new tax bill s ability to deduct up to 47K over 5 years for a new luxury car which i assume would apply to the Model 3.) Along comes the GOP Tax Bill and in its passed form keeps the EV credit but changes the Section 179 depreciation deduction rule. Section 179 in applicable part now allows for a 100% deduction in first year of ownership of the Model X (for qualifying business use). My business qualifies and I ll use my car 100% for business. If I chose to purchase a $100K Model X and have income in excess of 107.5K I ll get both the EV credit as well as the Section 179 deduction resulting in a $57.5K ultimate cost. EDIT: AS SOMEONE POINTED OUT IN COMMENTS INCOME NEEDS TO BE IN EXCESS OF 122K IN MY PARTICULAR SCENARIO NOT 107.5K. So pull trigger on Model 3 or wait for the Model X refresh for an extra $16K? Seems like a no-brainer. Am I missing something?

pacopacifico

2018-01-07 00:24:03

dsau2oz

r ineedacpa

Jddssc121

2018-01-07 01:34:53

EV Tax Credit Impact

u0lf9o

2018 Model 3 LR 50k Miles Report

We ordered our Model 3 in November 2018 and picked it up 1.5 weeks later. This car has been a blast to drive and has had 0 issues after all this time. With that in mind here are some numbers you might be interested in knowing: - Battery range: With an original range of 315 miles it is currently sitting 270 an 85% retainment of the battery capacity. It s okay for us because we never charged it to the max anyways. The battery has had 0 flaws never needed any repairs. - Maintenance costs: We took the car in for service twice to change cabin air filters and top off brake fluid for a total price of $150. We also replaced the tires (surprisingly at 30 000 miles) for $850. It would have been more expensive if we were to purchase it from Tesla so we purchased them from Costco. The car did not need any other repairs as it came in with 0 flaws. The service center also replaced the 12v battery twice and replaced the charge port insulator pins with updated parts free of charge (since they are covered under warranty). We were also surprised to see that we were only charged $9.50 for labor for brake fluid top off (it was recommended to get checked we got it checked they might have also not topped it off and only checked it since they charged us $9.50 for it) they covered the price for the actual fluid. Overall we spent $1000 for tires and other preventative maintenance which is lower than the cost for any other car we ever owned. - Charging: This car is a pure CA car. We have had 0 issues driving it anywhere. The car has been up and down the west coast along the PCH and along the desert roads with 0 charging issues. We charge the car overnight at home and at work and use the supercharger network for vacations. We have spent $250-300 for charging overall despite going up and down the state. In comparison to an ICE car this car has saved us a lot in gas money. - Overall: We love our model 3. It is safe and tons of fun to drive. It has 0 wind noise and has costed $0 in emergency repairs. There is no oil change that you have to pay for which on its own saves some money. If you are worried about the costs for this car or the car breaking down on you don t be! The quality of the car you pick up might be different but you will have lots of fun with it and will be happy with your choice. Just know that you may be replacing your tires early since the rear motor is more powerful than the front motor. As the Costco tire center guy said “Teslas love to eat tires.” Edit: We get electricity at home for free since we have solar panels. Thank you for pointing it out! Edit 2: I must mention that in-car connectivity is $10 per month which gets added to the total cost of the car

Mike20172018

2022-04-10 16:41:31

i470u2i

I met someone at the Cyber Rodeo who has 170k miles on their 2018 model 3 original battery. Saw the odometer reading with my own eyes.. so awesome!

Shredwards

2022-04-10 18:33:10

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

dcoyd4

2018 Model 3 LR AWD FSD charged to 258 miles energy displays says 88%

30K miles on it 1 year old. Shouldn t it read 83% for a 310 long range? I use the Tesla Wall Charger at home and charge to in the low 80% range daily and do same when at the Superchargers. I ve only charged to 100% a few times. Does this difference seem normal? I ve read some of the battery management posts and have not recalibrated the battery charge to 100% run down to 10% and recharge. Is that even a real fix?

GoTesla

2019-10-03 10:25:05

f29svw8

Stop freaking out about short term fluctuations in the range. If you read threads you ll see it bounces all over the place. The only way you ll really get a halfway decent sense of where you are at is by data logging and trending over time.

pushc6

2019-10-03 11:54:35

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

cfzmlf

2018 Model 3 LR RWD vs 2019 Model 3 Performance (Stealth) -- comments on differences as a new owner

Wish I took some photos for comparison but I m writing this to share some random information with the internet and maybe someone will find it helpful interesting. &amp #x200B I was an owner of a relatively early VIN (027xxx) LR RWD and upgraded to a new P3D- (VIN 435xxx). I ve noticed a few differences: * Rear view camera quality is higher on the 2019 P3D it also flicks on instantly when I shift to R whereas I ve had to wait a few seconds for the RWD occasionally * Paint quality seems much better on my RWD I had some random paint chips around the side mirrors and bottom portion of the front bumper * My P3D interior still has some flaws such as not perfectly snug positioned rear seats with the center cupholder. * The steering on my LR RWD actually feels heavier than my P3D (I wonder if this is a software issue that I need to call Tesla for?) * Suspension for P3D- even without PUP sits lower than LR RWD * The frunk is much easier to close on P3D (I d say it even feels lighter?) * The storage console at the elbow rest area feels more solid in the RWD (feels more sturdy) * P3D acceleration is no joke but at higher speeds (80mph+) the difference isn t as noticeable even from a RWD &amp #x200B Cheers

jl2fa

2019-07-21 14:35:04

eudkeo4

I was thinking about doing a similar upgrade. Worth it?

mostapasta

2019-07-21 14:40:02

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

9hghpq

2018 Model 3 NHTSA Crash Test Videos (5-Star Rating)

As many have seen the Model 3 LR received a 5-Star Rating from the NHTSA. The following are videos of the crash test. I will update this post as new videos are made available. &amp #x200B **Frontal Crash Test** (1:20)[https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tnpE55qmTSM](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tnpE55qmTSM) &amp #x200B **Side Crash Test** (1:06)[https: www.youtube.com watch?v=zDhSdKFhfjk](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=zDhSdKFhfjk) &amp #x200B **Side Pole Crash Test** (1:12)[https: www.youtube.com watch?v=ABEznFFbmJw](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=ABEznFFbmJw) &amp #x200B The text report is available on the NHTSA site here:[https: www.nhtsa.gov vehicle 2018 TESLA MODEL%2525203 4%252520DR RWD](https: www.nhtsa.gov vehicle 2018 TESLA MODEL%2525203 4%252520DR RWD) &amp #x200B Congratulations to Tesla on engineering such a safe vehicle!

22marks

2018-09-20 16:01:46

e6boxlx

I am always amazed at how well air bags work.

GeneralPump

2018-09-20 16:13:49

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

htp93a

2018 Model X 100D w 352 range

I just took delivery of a used 2018 Model X 100D today. One of the things that has pleasantly surprised me is that this thing is showing max range of 352 miles. I got the car from Tesla and this was not in the details. I was expecting the 295 range as I didn t think this was even an option. Anyone else seeing this?

Almostfast

2020-07-18 22:11:09

fyi5007

I think the range that is showing is ideal . You can change it in the settings

hiddentrainer94

2020-07-18 22:20:18

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

d4lwc1

2018 Model X vs 2019 Raven

Hi I have a purchase dilemma. I don t know which one to go for. A 2018 P100D Model X 2018 MCU1 with 30%-38% off compare to a brand new 2019 Model X Raven (30% for long range and 38% for Performance). The 2018 Model X MCU1 is a marketing vehicle for press with less than 5000 miles on it. It has the yellow ring around MCU display which they promise they will fix. If I purchase the car they will treat it as a new car with all the warranties. The reason I am considering the 2018 Model X is 1) Money: is Raven suspension motor upgrade MCU2 worth 30% to 38%? 2) Newer model X with interior exterior refresh 2020: I know what Elon said previously but due to his recent tweets about newer models coming next year with plaid perhaps I can purchase this one now and hold me over til newer one comes out and I wouldn t lose too much money on it when I upgrade. 3) When I was test driving the Model X I didn t get a chance to activate the ludicrous mode because the battery didn t warm up yet...but it was already pretty darn fast. Is ludicrous mode worth the upgrade? Any advice is appreciated!

sparkpaul

2019-09-15 15:26:58

f0e56dz

We have a Raven X and had it in for service and got a 2016 X as a loaner. Driving them back to back the most impressive difference to me was the suspension. I love a car that handles and the difference was night and day. The Raven has a better ride and much better handling. The pre Raven almost felt like an early 90s Buick in comparison.

hoodrm

2019-09-15 16:01:49

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

6qeocn

2018 Nissan Leaf incoming! Should Tesla be worried? 240+ Range? Pro Pilot? 360-degree View Monitor? Self Park???

Guys now that the Model 3 has been announced and I d guess partially revealed (Or Fully?) there could be a chance that the new 2018 Nissan Leaf could potentially have some nice features and range. Should Tesla be worried about it? The leaf used to be a great seller before... with the new remake they are doing to its look and new battery... it could potentially be a strong seller. Sure no super charger network (Not free anymore so not as big of a deal) but that 360 degree around view monitor is pretty nice. I think i ve also read it will eventually have pilot which is like auto pilot and will self park? What about range? What if Nissan does a CHEVY BOLT on us and the Nissan leaf comes in sporting same range as the chevy bolt or worse... have 240+ mile range? CHAdeMO is not that bad and there are way more CHAdeMO stations than CCS Combo which is why Tesla made that CHAdeMO adapter. And yes I know Tesla can just get the adapter and be on par which is nice enough of nissan to do for us since tesla doesn t let nissan leaf users tap into the super charger network (I know it would clog up the lines etc) but still. Thoughts?

Minivan2016

2017-07-30 01:05:18

dkwov6b

Don t think Tesla [has anything to worry about](https: electrek.co 2017 07 24 next-gen-nissan-leaf-2018-prototype-range ).

cac2573

2017-07-30 01:21:04

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

kcnvcu

2018 SR+ Drove wrong direction

Hello I m posting this because I m curious who to call or what to do. I was getting baskin robins with my fiancé tonight and went to park I overshot the turn and had to reverse to correct. I put it in reverse (yes the symbol said “R” and my backup camera came up.) but when I hit the accelerator it went forward. I then put it in park and tried it again put it in reverse and it still went forward. I was pretty close to a pole at this point and so just sat there for about ~30 seconds before slowly trying again and it went backwards in the third try. I m curious if anyone has had this happen or if anyone knows what the heck I should do. I have 42 000 miles and this has never happened. I m on update 48.10. Edit: I did submit a bug report but I m not sure they even see those. Edit2: misstype the car is a 2019 SR+ It won t let me fix title.

No_Cattle_4552

2020-12-14 01:45:17

gfrt2yi

This was reported upon when hold mode first was released. Surprised it is still present.

GoSh4rks

2020-12-14 02:42:53

Smart Summon Limitations

m5yq7d

2018 Tesla LR M3 Duel Motor - Back seat A C still blowing out hot air

I have a M3 since 2018. Occasionally hot air around 90 degrees will come out of the rear A C vent making my passengers hot while the front A C is cold. The A C temp set to 72 degrees. A Tesla Service Manager said a software update will resolve it. Over 2 years now still the same thing. I asked again this year another Tesla Service Manager responded by saying it is a design flaw. They can not do anything about it. Summer is coming again. I m afraid that my passenger and or my cute dog will die from the hot A C. I would like to know if anybody else is experiencing this issue. Should I or we report it to NHTSA? [https: www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov VehicleComplaint ?](https: www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov VehicleComplaint ?)

Dragonlance12

2021-03-16 02:20:17

gr4tmx4

Maybe the duel motors are fighting ?

pizza9012

2021-03-16 15:48:18

Tesla HVAC Functionality

ajffqu

2018 Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor vs. Performance Dyno Results

Video available in Ultra High Definition (4K: 3840x2160p) : [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Qb5a4T6LXGk](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Qb5a4T6LXGk) From the YouTube video above here are the results: 2:16 - Dyno ing Scott s Dual Motor (non-Performance) with 83% SOC 3:56 - Dyno graph result of Scott s car (max power=367.17 HP max torque=393.64 ft-lbs) 4:00 - Dyno ing Hoang s Performance with 89% SOC5:40 - Dyno graph result of Hoang s car (max power=463.71 HP max torque=496.28 ft-lbs) 5:44 - Dyno ing Scott s in Chill Mode with Slip Start with 81% SOC7:29 - Dyno ing Hoang s in Chill Mode (no Slip Start) with 88% SOC 8:50 - Dyno graph result of both Scott s and Hoang s cars in Chill Mode (Dual Motor: power=205.65 HP torque=234.44 ft-lbs | Performance: power=203.65 HP torque=233.75 ft-lbs) More information posted over at TMC: [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2018-tesla-model-3-dual-motor-vs-performance-dyno-results.141137 ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2018-tesla-model-3-dual-motor-vs-performance-dyno-results.141137 ) I know there was [a previous post about 9 days ago](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ag2yjk tesla_model_3_performance_vs_dual_motor_dynojet ) from u ThorJackHammer with similar subject. However that short 28 second video clip from National Speed doesn t contain as much information from my videos recorded during the dynos. I hope you enjoy the wealth of information from my recordings during the dyno event. :) &amp #x200B Update 1: Fixed post to show correct formatting not sure WTF happened with the timeline results that got all jumbo ed together when it wasn t when I initially posted it.

hoang51

2019-01-24 18:32:24

eeva7e6

You didn t dyno summon?

croninsiglos

2019-01-24 19:59:23

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

a67kgh

2018 Teslas - Bluetooth issues if getting into the car while already on a call - other party can t hear once audio transfers to Tesla BT

Both my wife s (Note8) and mine (Pixel 3 XL) phones have a bug with Tesla Bluetooth where if we re already on a call and get in the car (2018 Model S) which transfers the call to Tesla BT the other party will stop hearing us. Toggling BT doesn t help. Anyone else run into this issue? Is Tesla aware?

archon810

2018-12-14 18:42:36

ebsmqlf

I have an iPhone X with exactly the same issues.

phxees

2018-12-14 19:07:30

Spotify Gapless Playback

ezvab9

2018 model 3 stealth performance ride quality vs 2019 SR+

I recently upgraded from a 2019 model 3 SR+ to a 2018 model 3 stealth performance with 17k miles and noticed that the ride quality is surprisingly better! I didn t think I d see any change at all maybe a negative one going from a 19 to an 18 but the 19 SR+ felt like my old bmw 3 series and this 18 stealth performance feels like my in law s newer 5 series. Idk if it s something in the drive unit or dual motors but I m pleasantly surprised! Both cars have aero wheels the new 2019 SR+ even had some creeks and rattles where as the used 2018 stealth performance has been quiet so far! If anyone could share why this is I d love to learn as to why.

Sammy567890

2020-02-06 17:04:22

fgpoi7l

The 2018 Performance models had their final assembly in a tent with human love and care.

croninsiglos

2020-02-06 17:08:29

Tire and Wheel Maintenance

yw85ie

2018 vs 2022 Model X long term family focused comparison

I had a 2018 X for well about 4 years. I ve put about 8k miles on the refresh and wanted to share thoughts for anyone thinking about upgrading. Range - Huge win. I went from 270 to 340 miles and faster charging. Add it all up and charging stops are about half as long as they used to be on road trips since you can stay under 60 percent easier. Great! Interior quality - Good improvement. Nicer materials. Everything is just a touch better. Still a small step down compared to my Genesis GV80 but it s fighting in the right league now. Speed - Noticeably faster even without plaid. Teslas are very fun to drive and the refresh is better. Autopilot - Draw to slightly worse. I don t have the phantom braking issues I was expecting and some parts work better but there are a lot of small new bugs as well. Stop and go traffic one of my biggest priorities is worse as it slams on the brakes when someone 20 feet ahead slows down. I have to wonder if this is because they axed the radar. It ends up being slightly dangerous in city highway traffic jams. Controls - Disappointingly a little worse. No stalks the yoke looks cool but isn t as functional I m tired of the button turn signals I honk when turning on autopilot once a week etc. These are just unforced errors and while none are as bad as I feared they are absolutely a small step back from a normal car. Audio - Neutral. Was hoping for something a bit better but no biggie. Rear seat screen - It exists. Not really sure why it s there or why there s a powerful GPU. Please give me more range instead. Kids don t really watch it because it s strangely positioned. Suspension - A bit better. Again not bad but not as good as the GV80. 360 surround view - how is this still not a feature? 7 seat vs 6 seat - 3 wide second row is great if you have 3 kids. 3rd row is worse but if you can use it a lot less 7 seats is the way to go. Plus you get extra cargo space most of the time. Overall - Neutral to a bit better. I buy Teslas because they re the best car experience. I think that s still the case this year but after seeing their trajectory and what others are doing (I m looking at you Volvo EX90) I don t think they ll be the best next year. I m surprised that 4 years of development and a refresh didn t really raise the bar. It s like a minor refresh. Awesome car awesome superchargers but it s odd there aren t more improvements or innovations on the horizon.

triclavian

2022-11-15 20:11:19

iwjbkmy

Agree with most of your post! I also went from a 2018 X to a 2022 X. Range - The faster charging was a huge huge bonus. We had a 75D and never realized how much slower the charging rate was. We recently went on a short road trip with the 2022 and the much improved supercharging speed was a welcomed improvement. Controls - I got used to the yoke very quickly. While there are some who actually prefer the yoke (from reading reviews) I would have loved to have a regular steering wheel as an option. The biggest drawback in my opinion is not having a shifting stalk. Trying to do a three point turn in a small parking garage is not much fun using the swipe shifter. I also really miss using the left and right buttons on the 75D s regular steering wheel - especially the climate controls. I find voice control for the climate can be hit or miss and having to use the centre screen for the majority of climate controls can be dangerous at times. Build Quality - My particular build was tremendously improved compared to my 2018 75D. The 2018 had trim issues misaligned doors unclipped plastic pieces just to name a few. Our 2022 was pristine. The overall interior build material and quality while not luxurious per se compared to other luxury brands is noticeably better. Like yourself I buy Teslas because they re currently the best electric car experience. However as cliched as it is competition is definitely on the way. Right now the falcon wing doors are a godsend for loading kids in their seats. However once my kids are grown I will definitely consider other options. Some that come to mind are the Taycan GT future Range Rover Sport EV Rivian R1S and even a Panamera EV. I love our X but like OP said I too was surprised that 4 years of development and a refresh didn t really raise the bar.

RadiationShooter

2022-11-16 01:27:37

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

838mfr

2018.10 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

2018.10 has dropped! Who s got it? What s new? Any autopilot behavioral changes? Is this the big autopilot update they ve been teasing? [Tesla Motors Club Forum Post](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-10.110452 ) [Release Notes](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments img_20180309_124207411-jpg.285301 ) - This update appears to add Trunk and Frunk opening to the app. It also appears to fix some ultrasonic sensor parking sensor bugs. Unrelated Hardware Update: It appears that Model S built after on or after March 1 2018 have lighted vanity mirrors and after March 13 2018 appear to have the much faster Intel MCU instead of the nVidia Tegra that s been standard on the S and X since inception. This release contains [significant reported Autopilot improvements.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 84mk5z teslas_latest_autopilot_update_brings_some dvqs10o )

majesticjg

2018-03-09 17:53:39

dvfwuqt

&gt Unrelated Hardware Update: It appears that Model S built after on or after March 1 2018 have lighted vanity mirrors. Can finally take that one off the update wish list! Only took 6 years lol

dieabetic

2018-03-09 17:58:31

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8726cg

2018.10.4 identifies dashed vs solid lines and changes behavior

Took a 200 mile trip yesterday and realized that 10.4 knows the difference between a solid line and a dashed line. It will never show you a lane next to you as available if the line is solid. Within just a few seconds of it going dashed that lane becomes available. That s pretty cool! I identified this because Washington uses a sold white line to indicate the HOV lane. Which means you can t use auto lane change to enter or exit the HOV lane. Previous AP2 versions never stopped me from entering or exiting the HOV lane but also knew the edge of the road just fine. The thing is [this blocking of crossing a white line goes against the MUTCD](https: mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov htm 2009 part3 part3b.htm) which states: &gt Where crossing the lane line markings is discouraged the lane line markings shall consist of a normal or wide solid white line. The [FAQ](https: mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov knowledge faqs faq_part3.htm#lmq1) even covers this: &gt MUTCD Section 3B.04 says to use a single solid white line to discourage crossing the lane line and a double white line to prohibit crossing it. A single solid white line is used for a variety of lines that drivers should be discouraged from crossing in normal situations but which drivers do need to cross in some situations. The use of yellow solid is used to show the left side of a divided highway: &gt If used on the roadways of divided highways or one-way streets or on any ramp in the direction of travel left edge line pavement markings shall consist of a normal solid yellow line to delineate the left-hand edge of a roadway or to indicate driving or passing restrictions left of these markings. So if the AP team is going to rely on detection of line types they also need to obey the color of the line. However the forward looking AP cameras can t see color so they can t tell yellow from white. (EDIT: Appears I was wrong that grey &amp red can t tell yellow vs white apart. However this means Tesla isn t taking color into account in EAP right now) Hope they can fix this behavior soon as it s annoying to have to disconnect the AP to go in and out of the lane and weird that when you re driving right next to an open lane that AP doesn t show it at all on the IC. Other random observation: The lane width on the screen is retaliative to how wide the AP algorithm sees the lane as. I drove through a 2&gt 1 lane merge the IC lane got REALLY wide and then smoothly narrowed as the the lanes merged to one. They really have the lane edge detection down.

beastpilot

2018-03-25 17:25:53

dw9mmus

&gt However the forward looking AP cameras can t see color so they can t tell yellow from white. AP camera has a red channel so it will be able to tell apart a few colours that have a red component to them and lump all other colours into no red component . It s basically colour blind so it can tell apart a few important colours. Edit: If anyone wants more info. Here s the last time it was discussed https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6icg6a if_ap2_cameras_cant_detect_color_how_will_the

afishinacloud

2018-03-25 17:46:13

Tesla Autopilot Performance Review

87sjsi

2018.12 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

2018.12 was released on March 28 2018. - When did you get it? - Are there autopilot improvements? - Does this update contain the new mapping engine we ve been expecting? - Does this update solve any issues with the new MCU processor on the Model S or X?

majesticjg

2018-03-28 14:56:02

dwgqr0s

18.12 Release Notes:  Model 3: Steering wheel button updates For your convenience we ve updated the functions of the scroll buttons on the steering wheel. The right scroll button now lets you quickly adjust Traffic-Aware Cruise Control settings. To increase or decrease the set cruising speed roll the right button up or down. To adjust the follow distance between you and the vehicle ahead press the right button to the left or right. You can still adjust these settings from the touchscreen and press down on the button to activate voice commands. The left scroll button now lets you adjust your Model 3 side mirrors and steering wheel. Start by tapping the Controls icon on the bottom left corner of the touchscreen and then tap Quick Controls &gt Adjustments To adjust the mirrors tap Mirrors and select the LEFTor RIGHT mirror icon. Then scroll the left button up or down or press it left or right. To adjust the steering wheel tap Steering Wheel and scroll the left button up or down or press it left or right. Model S X: North America Only Introducing new Navigation (Beta) Whether you re on your daily commute or heading out to a new destination you can rely on Navigation to give you the fastest route and provide more accurate estimated arrival times. It will route you around traffic jams and guide you through complex maneuvers when required. If traffic conditions change and there s an alternate route that will save time Navigation will automatically reroute you. As with the previous system you can control how aggressively Navigation does this: just indicate how much time an alternate route should save by adjusting the setting in CONTROLS &gt Settings &gt Apps &gt Maps &gt Navigation &gt RE-ROUTE IF IT SAVES MORE THAN Navigation prevents you from missing turns by giving you a clearer view of upcoming maneuvers. More responsive guidance prepares you for complicated intersections or multi-lane interchanges. Each turn and highway exit that you should take is clearly labeled in blue whereas cross-streets or highway exits that you will pass are labeled in black to help you monitor your progress along the way. In addition guidance and labels match real-world road and highway signs wherever possible. As you get closer to a maneuver the instrument panel view will zoom in to provide greater clarity and if necessary will highlight the lane (or lanes) that you should be using. This makes it easier to see how close you are to the turn the cross streets that you ll pass and which direction to take. We welcome feedback about the new Navigation Send email to navfeedback@tesla.com or press the voice commands button on the right side of the steering wheel and say Note followed by your comments

scottrobertson

2018-03-29 08:27:13

Tesla Software Update Analysis

88dmmp

2018.12 brings AP steering wheel controls to Model 3

&gt 18.12 Release Notes: &gt &gt Model 3: Steering wheel button updates For your convenience we ve updated the functions of the scroll buttons on the steering wheel. The right scroll button now lets you quickly adjust Traffic-Aware Cruise Control settings. To increase or decrease the set cruising speed roll the right button up or down. To adjust the follow distance between you and the vehicle ahead press the right button to the left or right. You can still adjust these settings from the touchscreen and press down on the button to activate voice commands. &gt &gt The left scroll button now lets you adjust your Model 3 side mirrors and steering wheel. Start by tapping the Controls icon on the bottom left corner of the touchscreen and then tap Quick Controls &gt Adjustments &gt &gt To adjust the mirrors tap Mirrors and select the LEFTor RIGHT mirror icon. Then scroll the left button up or down or press it left or right. &gt &gt To adjust the steering wheel tap Steering Wheel and scroll the left button up or down or press it left or right. From: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2648819

dirtyfries

2018-03-30 20:50:39

dwjsnqv

one out of my 4 hot items down three to go. Summon camping mode and WiFi remaining.

run-the-joules

2018-03-30 20:59:34

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

8ee5yl

2018.14 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

This thread is late because I ve been unavailable. It appears to have started shipping on April 10 2018. So far this update: - Enables the new maps download though the maps are distributed as a separate download from the firmware. - Enables the newer webkit browser on the older Tegra 3 MCU and significantly improves interface response on that device. - ~~Enables display of cars in adjacent lanes on the drivers console (S &amp X only after the new maps are installed AP2+)~~ (Apparently this is no longer in the software at this time.) - Model 3 can adjust autopilot settings from the steering wheel controls. - Autopilot appears to use more radar-based braking cues. Beware of phantom surprise braking incidents!

majesticjg

2018-04-23 19:24:07

dxufvbo

For older cars (like my P85+) the navigation software updated while the firmware stayed at 2018.12.

jaymc5

2018-04-23 19:30:05

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8etyu7

2018.16 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

2018.16 began rolling out on April 24 2018. Who s got it? What s new? * This version can update the Gen2 mobile connector with new firmware when plugged into the car. It s not yet clear what s changed.

majesticjg

2018-04-25 14:28:06

dxxzrd8

Looks like it adds the ability to push firmware updates to the Mobile Connector https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments 45c7da9f-ff65-4351-83bd-40f16a47866f-jpeg.296531

scottrobertson

2018-04-25 14:31:59

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8hnxdu

2018.18 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

2018.18 was released on May 7 2018 which coincides with an update to the Tesla iOS and Android app. - Fixes an issue with the heated steering wheel in the Model S and X. - Adds auto headlights and alters the media source interface in the Model 3.

majesticjg

2018-05-07 14:32:12

dyl8dzo

What s in the update?

rypols

2018-05-07 15:32:26

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8l7gil

2018.18.3:Auto-Dimming Hi-Beams are FLAWLESS.

I don t think the car is using just light-sensitivity to gauge wether or not there is an approaching vehicle and I highly suspect that rather the AP algorithms are picking up on cars as OBJECTS and that s how the system if differentiating. Quite intrigued!

tesrella

2018-05-22 05:05:03

dzdffts

I assumed it was cameras too. I m unsure there s even light sensors on the 3?

Daheavyb

2018-05-22 05:10:49

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

7skypt

2018.2 Model X

Just noticed the new firmware now senses when you are underneath the Falcon Wing doors and won t close on you knock you in the head.

MaxKW

2018-01-24 05:21:55

dt5o3q9

I wonder how it does that. are there sensors pointing inwards?

alborz27

2018-01-24 07:44:51

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

7rabip

2018.2 Software Update Megathread

Welcome to 2018! In addition to our usual questions about the latest software update I d like to point out that at this time the Model 3 software updates are following the Model S and X but sometimes a couple weeks behind. If you re a Model 3 owner we d appreciate it if you post your observations in the appropriate thread for the version you have so that in time we get an informal searchable changelog we can refer to and reminisce over. So who s got 2018.2? Any Autopilot changes?

majesticjg

2018-01-18 15:13:10

dsveuoy

[Post on TMC](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2018-2-0eddd23-detected.106574 ) says it lists only minor fixes and improvements. The one person that has it never got the previous rain sensing update so it might be tied to specific cars that couldn t take the previous update.

beastpilot

2018-01-18 16:06:06

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8lmvgp

2018.20 Vehicle Software Megathread

2018.20 was released on May 22 2018. Who s got it? What s new? Any autopilot changes?

majesticjg

2018-05-23 20:56:56

dzgtmhh

[Release notes - looks like bug fixes mostly](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments 20180523_184809-jpg.303151 )

hkpp

2018-05-23 21:21:37

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8pkmwq

2018.21 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

2018.21 began rolling out on June 6 2018 shortly after the shareholders meeting. - The EAP autopilot display now shows vehicles in adjacent lanes but all vehicles are still rendered as cars. It does not display motorcycles or trucks differently. - EAP cars should automatically slow down for interchanges and on off ramps. - The put your hands on the wheel warning has changed. Instead of a white border around the driver s binnacle it s now a white glow at the top of the binnacle screen. Let us know if there are more changes! Fun fact: This update was released in week 23 of 2018 despite the 2018.21 version number.

majesticjg

2018-06-08 15:07:31

e0byyzu

Does the display show adjacent cars if you don t have EAP?

gheldean

2018-06-08 15:35:06

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8q1p43

2018.21.9 Camera Testing

With 2018.21.9 enabling AP2 to see adjacent cars I decided to test whether or not Tesla has enabled the forward looking B-Pillar camera to see. In my highly scientific testing I began by covering only the driver side pillar camera and seeing if it would still see adjacent cars. While covered it did continue to show cars all the way until they became out of the FOV to the main camera housing. In my next test I covered the left main camera and the B-pillar camera. Adjacent cars continued to show until they were out of the FOV of the main camera housing. [Cameras taped off](https: imgur.com a 0NJ3rrG)

MaxKW

2018-06-10 15:55:37

e0fw9et

Wouldn t it be great if Tesla just tells us explicitly which cameras are functioning (and to what level of functionality) with each current software update? It s really silly that we all have to keep speculating. I m a big fan of Tesla but these kinds of selective non-openess puts me off especially with critical systems like AP. Tesla we are capable of understanding technology—tell us the functionality of the equipment we paid for.

ShaqLuvsTesla

2018-06-10 17:39:37

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

8ssrlv

2018.24 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.24 began an initial roll out on June 21 2018 and in larger quantities on June 23rd 2018.** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! #####S X 3 (with AP1 and AP2 only): - **New wording on Autopilot** - “Hold wheel warning” wording changed to Apply light force to steering wheel. - **New vector maps on MCU v1 vehicles** - (water will be grey) thanks u scottrobertson. TMC Link Images [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-24-baf6ebc.118637 page-2#post-2821725). - **Speed Limit Mode** - You can now limiting the maximum speed limit in the vehicle using a pin #####Model 3 - **Wifi Networks** - With this release Model 3 now connects to available Wi-Fi networks. Tap the LTE icon at the top of the touchscreen and select the network you want to join - **Cabin Overheat Protection** - When active your vehicle prevents the interior temperature from exceeding .... On by default. - **Summon** - Model 3 can now be summoned in and out of narrow parking spaces using the mobile app. To enable this feature tap Controls Autopilot Summon. To learn how to initiate cancel and customize Summon refer to the Owner s Manual #####Model S and X - **Change Log** - Links [1](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments bb215b61-f744-4e3b-b560-91488cea00b1-jpeg.311379 ) and [2](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments 183c66ec-de26-4478-8ce1-0b1afce5199d-jpeg.311378 ) per TMC and u UGot2Handit2Leprecns - Mobile Connector Updates Display on Instrument Cluster - **New language option in Mexico: Spanish** - Spanish is now available as a language option for your vehicle. To choose Spanish tap CONTROLS Settings Language &amp Units. When selected the touchscreen will display in Spanish. Voice commands navigation and Media Player will respond to Spanish Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? See our main [OTA Software Megathread]( r TeslaMotors wiki softwareupdates) page for tracking links and details on software updates. Will be updating the page soon with details on how batched deployments occur and how we know to date how Tesla validates signs and pushes updates (to better inform users how OTA updates are tested deployed) and the best steps to retrieve updates if you haven t received one in a long time. If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \&gt &gt **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible**

110110

2018-06-21 15:25:48

e12zbjo

Model 3: * With this release Model 3 now connects to available Wi-Fi networks. Tap the LTE icon at the top of the touchscreen and select the network you want to join * Cabin Overheat Protection - When active your vehicle prevents the interior temperature from exceeding .... On by default. * Summon - Model 3 can now be summoned in and out of narrow parking spaces using the mobile app. To enable this feature tap Controls Autopilot Summon. To learn how to initiate cancel and customize Summon refer to the Owner s Manual Model S X: * New language option in Mexico: Spanish - Spanish is now available as a language option for your vehicle. To choose Spanish tap CONTROLS Settings Language &amp Units. When selected the touchscreen will display in Spanish. Voice commands navigation and Media Player will respond to Spanish S X 3 (with AP1 and AP2 only): * Speed Limit Mode -

greentheonly

2018-06-22 00:47:53

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8zmtcu

2018.24.7 is back!

My Model 3 is currently in the service center for a couple of little paint fixes. Just wanted to let everyone know that 2018.24.7 was just downloaded this morning! I remember someone posted about them stopping the updates so I figured I d tell everyone that they are back on! :-)

YoWhosTheDuck

2018-07-17 16:51:03

e2jyzcn

Looks like 2018.24.8 has started rolling out.

ZoidbergsTesla

2018-07-17 17:58:13

Tesla Software Update Analysis

8yen7c

2018.26 Software Megathread

**2018.26 began rolling out on 7 12 2018** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \&gt &gt **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible**

110110

2018-07-12 23:02:04

e2axhb1

“Check for software update” button in the next firmware update please.

twentyfourfifty

2018-07-13 05:56:35

Tesla Software Update Analysis

95msvi

2018.28 Software Megathread

**2018.28 began rolling out on 8 7 2018** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. * [TeslaFi Firmware Update Tracker](https: teslafi.com firmware ) - Tracking the deployment of firmware updates to vehicles * [EV-FW Firmware Update Tracker](http: ev-fw.com track-reports.php) - Tracking the deployment of firmware updates to vehicles * [Tesla Motors Club Forum Links](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc categories tesla-forum.47 ) - All TMC Forum Links Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \&gt &gt **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible**

110110

2018-08-08 15:06:26

e3u2p5k

I just got this update last night (SN 37XXX) and the change to audible locking confirmation makes for a much easier peace of mind when walking away. I also noticed the Settings gear in the top right of options (like Locks and Safety) which allow a lot more customization based on my preferences. Seriously an incredible car make me honestly feel like I not only own it but can control it in a way I ve never experienced with any other vehicle.

army_of_one_

2018-08-08 17:09:54

Tesla Software Update Analysis

993qye

2018.32 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.32 began rolling out on August 21 2018** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. We are ready! #####All Models - **Feature 1** - Nothing learned yet #####Model 3 - **Feature 1** - Nothing learned yet #####Model S and X - **Feature 1** - Nothing learned yet Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \&gt &gt **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible**

majesticjg

2018-08-21 14:45:59

e4krj2g

Reposting observations from another user in FB Tesla Model 3 group. “Just updated to 32.2 this morning and immediately noticed a few things. Improvements and bug fixes as stated on the screen. - you can see now traffic status zooming closely on the map. - icon for headlight and fog lights are reconfigured and separated on the left and right side of the left screen. - faster load times for music covers - instantaneous loading when you open the Tesla app. - Tesla app is more stable connecting summmon - autopilot feels more accurate than before I ll update this post if I find anything else. Overall good improvements. Hope you guys get it soon.”

vinceman

2018-08-21 15:48:06

Tesla Software Update Analysis

9flxlk

2018.34 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.34 began rolling out on September 7 2018** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. We are ready! #####All Models - **Minor Improvements and Bug Fixes** - **PIN-to-Drive** - **Steering Wheel Autopilot Nag Reset** - Interacting with the steering wheel controls counts as touching the steering wheel for the purposes of autopilot nags. #####Model 3 - Nothing learned yet #####Model S and X - Nothing learned yet Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \&gt &gt **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible**

majesticjg

2018-09-13 21:14:31

e5xg71e

Someone posted a thread saying AP is now easy to control when the keep hands on steering wheel message pops up This one https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9fb62s _

houston_wehaveaprblm

2018-09-13 21:18:05

Tesla Software Update Analysis

9gupyv

2018.36 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.36 began rolling out on 9 14 2018** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our links at the top of the [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. We are ready! #####All Models - **Feature 1** - Notes indicate just minor improvements and bug fixes.... - **Feature 2** - Seems to do better in situations where the car in front of me turnS left or right. Before it would brake hard or slow down a lot. This firmware it doesn t flinch. #####Model 3 - **Feature 1** - Charging cable allows release without first opening door #####Model S and X - **Feature 1** - Nothing learned yet Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \&gt &gt **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible**

110110

2018-09-18 13:14:06

e6768yz

Based off of my post here regarding email correspondence with a Service Center technician 2018.36 should at least include the fix for mirror profiles not being applied correctly https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9es5um its_2018_and_issues_with_your_car_can_be_fixed

ahorner

2018-09-18 15:47:15

Tesla Software Update Analysis

9j1qd3

2018.39 (v.9) Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.39 (v. 9.0) began rolling out on 9 26 2018** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. Remember that initial software deployments go through a round of internal testing at Tesla then onto small group public alpha testers and then onto batch deployments to the remaining public fleet. Please do not ask how to become an Alpha tester. Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? Use [TeslaFi](https: teslafi.com firmware ) or [EV-FW](http: ev-fw.com track-reports.php) to track a small subset of users of the general deployment. If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: &gt Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change [Full Release Notes](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9j1qd3 201839_v9_vehicle_software_update_megathread e6od79n ) - Thanks u [zambelly!](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-39-4a3910f-v9-0-early-release.129936 ) [More Release Notes from 2018.39.3](https: mobile.twitter.com marc_benton status 1046746987314335747?s=21) #####All Models - Atari Games (MAME Emulator) - Remotely Initialize Vehicle Updates from App - Navigation Sharing with Vehicle - [Link](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9ju6h5 phone_sharing_to_model_3 ) - (Model 3 Only?) - [Media Control for Passengers](https: i.imgur.com kC2bQSb.jpg) (through Mobile Device) - Seatbelt Card - Supress seatbelt warnings for child seats - Media - Option to filter explicit content - Radio - Option to tune directly to FM station by entering frequency **Autopilot Suite Enhancements** Edit: (Pushed to later build) - Navigate on Autopilot (Beta) including HOV lane automation - Enhanced Autopilot and US Only - [Images](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9ja6t6 _ e6pvdpt ?context=1) - [Video 1](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=hcSy9uZm-aE) - Screen-based Blind-Spot Monitoring - [Image](https: i.imgur.com fqxMwsf.jpg) [Video 1](https: mobile.twitter.com marc_benton status 1045121845026938880) - [Video 2](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xRHRndIsl8I) - Motorcycles now visible - [Image](https: i.imgur.com TIQjKbL.jpg) - Trucks are now visible - [Image](https: i.imgur.com yFH4jCZ.jpg) - [DashCam Functionality in Beta](https: electrek.co 2018 09 26 tesla-dashcam-feature-autopilot-camera-version-9 ) (Autopilot 2.5 Hardware Only) - [Night Footage](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9jtqzf tesla_model_3_version_9_392_dash_cam_footage ) [Day Footage](https: youtu.be FqDppxN-4n0) - Obstacle-Aware Acceleration - Will limit acceleration if an obstacle is detected - [Pedestrian Detection](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9jthze pedestrian_detection_and_visualization_in_v9_392 ) - [Cyclist Detection](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9k3ixv bicyclist_detection_and_visualization_in_v9 ) #####Model 3 - Application Launcher Added - [Image](https: i.imgur.com bltEq03.jpg) - Updated Status Bar - Web Browser Added - [Image](https: imgur.com Uip6t2B) - Navigation UI Updated - Nav list now on left - Climate Control UI Updated - [Video](https: mobile.twitter.com marc_benton status 1045119284723109888) - Energy Graph Added - [Image](https: i.imgur.com rEmooDP.jpg)) - Enhanced Supercharger Status Page - [Image](https: i.imgur.com dsWzMdo.jpg) - Calendar Integration Added - [Image](https: i.imgur.com bltEq03.jpg) #####Model S and X - Major UI Change to match Model 3 design - [Link](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-39-4a3910f-v9-0-early-release.129936 ) - [Videos](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9j1qd3 _ e6pylew ?context=1) - Application Launcher - [Image](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments msx_applauncher-png.338241 ) - Control Settings UI - [Image](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments ms_controls-jpg.338239 ) - Climate Controls UI - [Image](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments msx_climate-png.338242 ) **EDIT**: Drive on Autopilot pushed to next release per Elon on Twitter. -------------------------------------- This sticky replaced the [$TSLA Weekly Investor Discussion - October 01 2018](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9kes1y tsla_weekly_investor_discussion_october_01_2018 ).

110110

2018-09-26 11:42:25

e6o3few

[https: electrek.co 2018 09 26 tesla-dashcam-feature-autopilot-camera-version-9 ](https: electrek.co 2018 09 26 tesla-dashcam-feature-autopilot-camera-version-9 )

mechrock

2018-09-26 13:29:24

Tesla Software Update Analysis

7urssj

2018.4 Software Update Megathread

It s software update time for the Model S and X. What s new? EDIT: The Model 3 jumped to 2018.4 and added Manage Your Phone Keys

majesticjg

2018-02-02 14:53:39

dtmn1h7

&gt Note: The Model 3 is still on 2017.50.x builds. Hopefully our next significant updates gives summon. I needs it. The preciousssssssss…

run-the-joules

2018-02-02 15:30:14

Tesla Software Update Analysis

9x3z54

2018.44 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.44** began rolling out on **November 12 2018** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. Remember that initial software deployments go through a round of internal testing at Tesla then onto small group public alpha testers and then onto batch deployments to the remaining public fleet. Please do not ask how to become an Alpha tester. Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? Use [TeslaFi](https: teslafi.com firmware ) or [EV-FW](http: ev-fw.com track-reports.php) to track a small subset of users of the general deployment. If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: &gt Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change #####All Models - Tesla credentials are now required to disable mobile access #####Model 3 - Summon for Narrow Spaces - New Vent Airflow visualization #####Model S and X - None Reported (Yet!)

majesticjg

2018-11-14 20:49:06

e9pf003

A Model 3 owner on a Facebook group received 2018.44 a few days ago. He posted a photo of the release notes. I copied the text here: &amp #x200B **Climate** You can focus air from the vents onto one area or pinch to split the airflow. The 3D visualization of the dashboard has been tuned to more clearly display airflow in the center region. To allow for more precision you can now drag the air to the desired area instead of tapping. &amp #x200B **Mobile Access** For additional security your Tesla username and password will be required when disabling mobile access. To adjust the car s mobile access setting go to Controls &gt Safety &amp Security &gt Allow Mobile Access.

blueflash17

2018-11-14 21:21:05

Tesla Software Update Analysis

a2f9z5

2018.46 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.46** began rolling out on **Nov 28th** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. Remember that initial software deployments go through a round of internal testing at Tesla then onto small group public alpha testers and then onto batch deployments to the remaining public fleet. Please do not ask how to become an Alpha tester. Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? Use [TeslaFi](https: teslafi.com firmware ) or [EV-FW](http: ev-fw.com track-reports.php) to track a small subset of users of the general deployment. [Discover Version 9 Here](https: www.tesla.com support software-v9) Share your findings!

110110

2018-12-02 17:42:23

eaxsowr

This isn t a new update but before version 40 s rolled out auto pilot had a habit of getting to the auto pilot speed as fast as it could causing a whiplash effect. Now it will slowly get to the desired speed. Much better if you are sensitive to the acceleration.

aznkukuboi

2018-12-02 18:19:52

Tesla Software Update Analysis

a64be5

2018.49 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.49** began rolling out on **Dec 14th** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. Remember that initial software deployments go through a round of internal testing at Tesla then onto small group public alpha testers and then onto batch deployments to the remaining public fleet. Please do not ask how to become an Alpha tester. Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? Use [TeslaFi](https: teslafi.com firmware ) or [EV-FW](http: ev-fw.com track-reports.php) to track a small subset of users of the general deployment. [Discover Version 9 Here](https: www.tesla.com support software-v9) Share your findings!

110110

2018-12-14 12:16:45

ebriczj

The Pin to Drive screen now shows in a random location each time to prevent fingerprint smudges being used to guess the code. Edit: Looks like this was actually 48.1

scottrobertson

2018-12-14 12:38:09

Tesla Software Update Analysis

ackaw5

2018.50 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

**2018.50** began rolling out on **Dec 27th** and recently had a more significant uptick! Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. Remember that initial software deployments go through a round of internal testing at Tesla then onto small group public alpha testers and then onto batch deployments to the remaining public fleet. Please do not ask how to become an Alpha tester. Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? Use [TeslaFi](https: teslafi.com firmware ) or [EV-FW](http: ev-fw.com track-reports.php) to track a small subset of users of the general deployment. [Discover Version 9 Here](https: www.tesla.com support software-v9) Share your findings!

110110

2019-01-04 17:20:54

ed8kcxx

Got it last night just says improved charger heating. I haven t noticed any other differences.

caz0

2019-01-04 17:23:39

Tesla Software Update Analysis

7xz8l6

2018.6 Vehicle Software Update Megathread

2018.6 has dropped! Who s got it? What s new? Any autopilot behavioral changes? TMC Thread on this release: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-6.108770 Release notes: [2018.6.1 release notes page 1](https: i.imgur.com uugm4n0.jpg) [2018.6.1 release notes page 2](https: i.imgur.com karYtBo.jpg) Autopilot Demo Videos: [Byshop303](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Z22kFpcWVVw&amp lc=z220v3sxsk3eedwj504t1aokgyjex22x1vomuj4s244frk0h00410) [Steven Peeters](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=aRlYGHgiHsg)

majesticjg

2018-02-16 14:57:17

ducbl8i

TMC thread for people who like to keep up to date there too: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-6.108770

scottrobertson

2018-02-16 15:17:59

Tesla Software Update Analysis

a0ffrx

2019 CAV Sticker Color: Purple

&amp #x200B [Hi Guys I ve seen this on other forums but thought I d mention for anyone waiting for 2019 CAV \(Clean Air Vehicle\) decals. This is the new color for next year. Don t think it will look as good as red on my blue AWD 3 but I d rather have full 4 years so I ll continue to wait. Thoughts?](https: i.redd.it 4u8vsz1ycl021.jpg) &amp #x200B [CA DMV Source](https: www.dmv.ca.gov portal wcm connect 98b692f1-a43c-4d37-9fac-8e8cbea4a69b 18vin16.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&amp CVID=)

Dj_Broke

2018-11-26 03:08:05

eahblu0

Hideous. Hate the CA DMV s obsession with stickers.

EricTheYellow

2018-11-26 03:15:43

EV Tax Credit Impact

ebgylp

2019 M3 computer replacement

Anyone with a 2019 M3 have to have their computer replaced recently? I got an alert a few weeks ago from the car saying service was required. I took it in and they said the on board computer needed to be replaced. They mentioned only a select VIN range needed this proactive fix. Apparently an engineer at Tesla diagnosed it remotely and sent the alert to the car.

zmirza

2019-12-16 16:01:19

fb4nvbn

sounds like an isolated incident. This is great how cars upload data and engineers review real time and make a fix recommendation. Good luck!

AnalRavi0li

2019-12-16 16:06:33

Tesla ownership feedback and issues

bt1qs0

2019 Model 3 Performance is a four-door reincarnation of the 2011 Roadster

This may seem like a ridiculous comparison at first glance but since the original Roadster and Model 3 Performance (M3P) can both be had for about $65 000 today I figured a head-to-head performance comparison might help some folks. They re obviously physically very different cars so I m just focusing on the performance. First here are the numbers: Acceleration to 60mph Roadster - 3.8 seconds M3P - 3.6 seconds Measured max G-force during acceleration Roadster - 0.78g M3P - 0.82g Cornering - I don t have instruments for this but the Roadster has less body roll. On the flip side the M3P handles poor traction conditions better because of AWD. Braking performance - M3P stopped a full car length sooner than the Roadster from 60. Range Roadster - 50 kWh remaining @ 300Wh mi M3P - assuming 75kWh @ 300 Wh mi In short from a pure performance standpoint the M3P beats the original Roadster on nearly all counts. If you re considering these two against each other the decision point will come down to functionality vs fun cool factor. Performance is a wash. It s pretty amazing that in under ten years Tesla s come out with essentially a higher-performance four door version of the original Roadster in the form of the Model 3 Performance for 60% less money.

MarshallEverest

2019-05-26 00:35:09

eot17sb

0-60 is 3.2 for Model 3 Performance

110110

2019-05-26 01:14:15

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

l22d3y

2019 Tesla Model 3 12v Outlet question

Hey folks. I was inflating my tires with an electric tire pump plugged into the 12v outlet on my Model 3 the other week I inflated three of the tires then on the fourth tire the pump seemingly just died. I then tried to plug in a different tire pump which also didn t work. Then I tried the pumps in a family member s ICE vehicle and they worked fine. So nothing wrong with the pumps. I tried re-entering the tesla and putting it in drive then park again to give it a kick in the arse. I also restarted the whole car and the 12v outlet still wasn t working. I checked yesterday days after this happened and the 12v is working again so its not as though the plug itself is defective or died. Does the 12v outlet stop working after a period of time? Any ideas as to what could be happening? Thanks!

Dakhathsk

2021-01-21 16:54:28

gk2tg95

Sounds like you tripped the circuit protection. Model 3 does not use traditional fuses instead it has MOSFETs. The good news is that they self-reset usually after the car is allowed to sleep for a few hours. That s why your 12V has started working again. Edit: more info on how they system self-resets: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7y3t8v model\_3\_teardown\_videos\_youtube duivf9a?utm\_source=share&amp utm\_medium=web2x&amp context=3](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7y3t8v model_3_teardown_videos_youtube duivf9a?utm_source=share&amp utm_medium=web2x&amp context=3)

thisisreadonly

2021-01-21 16:59:09

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

3dpovr

2019 Tesla Roadster

I didnt see this comment getting a lot of love... But it seems pretty exciting. In Elon s official blog post today he wrote the following: There is of course only one thing beyond ludicrous but that speed is reserved for the next generation Roadster in 4 years: maximum plaid. Obviously 4 years is a huge time gap and Elon is known for getting his time frame wrongs... But this seems like pretty solid confirmation that a new Roadster is coming! And it might even do 0-60 faster than 2.8s... Wowzers.

lonnie123

2015-07-18 06:17:36

ct7hykk

I would be surprised if it didn t go faster than that in 0-60.

Mr-Bobo

2015-07-18 07:19:28

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

emeycd

2019-20 Model 3 LRD range &amp battery size?

Planning to buy a Model3 Long-range Dual Motor but while discussing this with a colleague came to know that his Model 3LRD (Nov.2019) only displays 310Miles on a full charge while Tesla website says 322Miles for this model. I have owned electric vehicles since 2011 so understand that the miles one get are completely dependent on the driving conditions (style weather terrain blah blah) but on a full charge a relatively new car generally displays close to the advertised mileage. Probably mileage number doesn t mean anything but I couldn t find any up to date data about the size of the battery on M3 LRD these are few references I looked at but those are from 2017 when Tesla had options like SR SR+ MR LR etc. Are there any credible sources on the battery size comparison for the 2020 M3 Standard vs LRD? [https: electrek.co 2017 08 24 tesla-model-3-exclusive-battery-pack-architecture ](https: electrek.co 2017 08 24 tesla-model-3-exclusive-battery-pack-architecture ) or the reference of EPA document in this thread is from 2018 and the referenced EPA document is not available anymore. [https: teslaownersonline.com threads model-3-vs-model-s.6192 ](https: teslaownersonline.com threads model-3-vs-model-s.6192 ) and more confusing part is the following section in [this](https: electrek.co 2019 11 01 tesla-model-3-long-range-increases-range-price ) article &gt As we previously reported [Tesla has played with EPA ratings to advertise all Model 3 versions with 310-mile range](https: electrek.co 2018 07 24 tesla-model3-epa-ratings-advertise ) even though the Long Range version was able to get more when they first launched Model 3. &gt &gt Tesla was already able to advertise the range of the Long Range Model 3 at 325 miles but they chose not to — presumably in order to be able not to advertise the range of the less expensive version as being longer than the more expensive dual motor and performance versions which are not seeing the same range increase even though they use the same battery pack. If the battery difference between LRD and SR model isn t much then I would opt for the SR (or the less expensive option as Electrek folks chose to say :-)) as AWD is not a deciding factor for me but a long-range definitely I care for. Any insights suggestions will help.

Aveerj

2020-01-09 19:56:13

fdoam2j

How far exactly does your gas car go on a full tank? (Oh you don t know exactly?) So why worry about the Tesla? (Because you worry the battery will be defective or an unwise purchase decision.) Stop worrying about an issue you ve always had but never cared about before. Best cars in the world. Ask anyone here.

jpbeans

2020-01-09 20:29:10

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

beodar

2019.12 Software Update Megathread

**Version 2019.12** began its larger roll out on *April 18th 2019** Welcome to the latest software release megathread. This megathread was created because the current version of this release reached approx 5% of the general userbase on TeslaFi. Remember to turn off Sentry Mode before updating. If you want to learn more about Tesla updates how they work or more check out these links below: - [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) - Past Megathreads + other information - [TeslaFi](https: teslafi.com firmware ) - Track Deployed Software Revisions (membership required) Discover anything? Such as new Autopilot capabilities minor changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here!

110110

2019-04-18 17:35:43

el7chdj

July 2017 AP2 MCU1 S75D in the US here. Got it midnight last night: Sentry mode (w o USB recording) Software update screen NoA no-confirm lane change (requires side camera calibration before enabling) Slightly different climate menu Smoother merging with EAP Stoplight warning alert New TeslAtari with 2048 Tile and Breakout Haven t tested browser yet - not expecting Chromium since I m MCU1. NoA maps still horrifically broken (unusable) for HOV travel in Atlanta. :(

ekobres

2019-04-18 18:02:44

Tesla Software Update Analysis

bhngu6

2019.12.1 update boosts charge rate to 150kW (625 mi hr for Model 3)

The new 2019.12.1 update boosts your charge rate to 150kW (625 mi hr for Model 3) at all Superchargers! That s up from 120 kW (500 mi hr). For now this is just for S100 X100 and 3LR. The update just started rolling out to the masses last night according to TeslaFi. I ve got some road trips coming up so I am very excited about this! Screenshot (not mine) showing the 150kW update on 2019.12.1: [here](https: imgur.com gallery IDlFjzG) Firmware tracker showing roll out of 2019.12.1: [here](https: teslafi.com firmware)

brandude87

2019-04-26 15:17:11

elu5xd9

Oh I can t wait to get this update!

kramer318

2019-04-26 15:23:15

Tesla Model Travel Experiences

bjmi4r

2019.12.1.1 Update Disappeared

This morning I woke up to the notification that a new update was available for my model 3 - but I didn t have enough time to apply it before leaving for work. After driving to work I attempted to apply the update and by then the option to update seems to have disappeared. Has this happened to anyone else? Not sure how to proceed.

docbrown1234

2019-05-01 21:07:47

em9cyla

It appears to have been pulled from the Model 3. Most of the updates occurring on TeslaFi are for international cars and S X. It would appear that some SR+ cars received music streaming and web browsing capabilities with 12.1.1 so likely the reason behind them pulling it. I d expect a 12.1.2 to show up in the next couple of days unless they have some way to identify the SR+ and MR LR cars separately when pushing software.

solodogg

2019-05-01 21:10:54

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

bjc58s

2019.12.1.1 updated browser to Chromium 73.0.3683.101

Mozilla 5.0 (X11 GNU Linux) AppleWebKit 537.36 (KHTML like Gecko) Chromium 73.0.3683.101 Chrome 73.0.3683.101 Safari 537.36 Tesla QtCarBrowser &amp #x200B Viewing [https: animejs.com](https: animejs.com ) actually looks decent. Not 60fps smooth but probably around 24-30fps compared to 12fps on previous release.

komocode

2019-05-01 02:34:51

em74gdp

All platforms? Or just the new MCU?

rex_regum

2019-05-01 03:28:58

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

bplm4d

2019.16 Software Update Megathread

**Version 2019.16** began its larger roll out on *May 16th 2019* Welcome to the latest software release megathread! This megathread was created now because the current version of this release reached approx 5% of the general userbase on TeslaFi. Remember to turn off Sentry Mode before updating. If you want to learn more about Tesla updates how they work or more check out these links below: - [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) - Past Megathreads + other information - [TeslaFi](https: teslafi.com firmware ) - Track Deployed Software Revisions Discover anything? Such as new Autopilot capabilities minor changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! [Current Release Notes](https: imgur.com a JQ9PCss ) thanks to u Wugz s [thread. ](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments bpggxc 2019161_rollout_started_for_model_3 )

110110

2019-05-17 02:29:15

enwb4nh

I m not here to complain because I m thankful for all the new features we get but what we really need is a button in the sentry mode sub menu that does this (so people don t need to take it out when they have issues): **USB Reset** Pressing this button will re-format your drive and prepare it for Sentry and Dash Cam. It will create a TeslaCam parent folder to prepare it for immediate recording. *Warning: Pressing Yes to confirm will erase all data on the USB drive*

110110

2019-05-17 11:50:35

Tesla Software Update Analysis

bsrryl

2019.16 improved NOA handoff for me

On 2019.12 as NOA exited a highway it would stay in the center of the exit ramp and then freak out as the lane splits into 2-3 lanes. After moving back and forth it would pick a random lane usually the wrong one. I took my second trip on 2019.16.2(M3) today. Both times instead of centering on the exit lane it drove slightly to the right left of the ramp as appropriate and landed on the correct lane(for my route) before ending NOA and stopping on the light. Anyone else witness the same improvement or did I get lucky twice?

CandyFromABaby91

2019-05-25 07:12:59

eopmbju

I ve been pretty vocal against NOA the last few months since my experience with it has been shit. Since 2019.16.2 though Ive taken about 4-5 highway trips and used NOA on all of them and it s worked wonderfully. Haven t had a lane change fail once and off ramp experience has gotten much better.

maybeandroid

2019-05-25 07:19:33

Tesla Autopilot Performance Review

bpgu2s

2019.16.1 for Tesla Model S release notes for UK

Just got this update and it features NoA for the UK - woo! Downside is the Autosteer limitations. Thought I d share as Model S X doesn t seem to get as much love these days :-) Full notes in this link: [https: imgur.com a Qd6ULMW](https: imgur.com a Qd6ULMW)

keffordt

2019-05-16 19:21:18

ensxufi

The auto steer regulations make no sense to me at all. “Let s nerf auto steer to make it pointless and less safe”. Thanks EU.

dykwim

2019-05-16 19:27:20

Tesla Software Update Analysis

bv83xk

2019.16.2 AP needs to be fixed ASAP!

I have had 0 problems with AP for the 3 months I ve had my car until this new update. My car suddenly brakes in the middle of the freeway for no reason!! It has happened 3 times within 24 hours. First time it happened the speed limit sign just disappeared while in AP and just started slowing me down had to get out of it. Then 5 min later I tried again going 60 on the freeway when all of the sudden the speed limit sign on the car changed to 35 !!! On the freeway... Then this morning on my way to work the speed limit sign was all normal and all that but my car just straight up started braking hard for no reason at all the car behind me almost rear ended me. Last night I talked to tesla about it and they pulled up the logs and saw that nothing went wrong which is very unsettling

JayDee_88

2019-05-31 14:20:55

epmh0du

I have also experienced more phantom breaking than usual on 16.2. I usually blame the overpasses.

anaglich

2019-05-31 14:30:48

Tesla Autopilot Performance Review