It is some minutes before she admits to any knowledge of a shaman and some minutes more before she admits to involving one in Liron’s affairs. At length, she admits to bringing the shaman here to the Metascience lab, yet denies sending the shaman to Liron’s house. Odd. Liron had thought the two events must certainly be linked. Could he be mistaken? First things first: what is the shaman’s name? Where can he be found? Amy shakes her head, will not speak. Liron insists. He gathers more power and turns up the pressure on her mind. At long last, she gives in.