After I settled into my new digs, I embarked on another counter-surveillance project. From Dave Harrison’s office, using my new laptop, I decided to see what I could pick up by using SAS to listen in on the phone conversations of Pacific Bell’s manager of Security, John Venn. I popped onto Venn’s line every now and then. Usually when I stumbled across a call in progress, it was about nothing of much interest, and I’d only half listen while doing something else.