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Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I move to strike the requisite number of words. Mr. Chairman. I do so only hopefully to close debate. I think everyone has had an opportunity to present his case. and I think we are ready to vote. I just want to clear up some factors. I have heard the word "feudalism" so much this afternoon. Members are associating it solely with the farm sector. but remember. there are bank charters where about eight people get a charter to operate that First National Bank on Main Street. USA. That is a charter for a lifetime for that family and their children. There are televislin station charters. radio station charters. for themselves or their famllies. that sell for millions and millions of dollars from one owner to a prospective owner. The Government tells people where they can build or not build a port. where people can build or not build an airport. So talking about feudalism and this program is oompletely extraneous to the subject. because there are more valuable enterprises the Government controls in the sector outside of agriculture. Second. the average Fluecured farm. for example. Is 13V acres. When you speak about all this bounty to people who sell or lease the allotment. we are talking of people who own a half acre. 1 acre. and this Is the only income they have. The large farmer of over 20 acres farms his own and the minority element in the Southand I have been therethey are small. black. and they may sell the allotment or farm it themselves. Finally. I went to an auction. The Federal Government sends an inspector who grades the tobacco. The Federal Government grades the tobacco. That tells you almost how much you are going to get. Then. there is an auction and the price at the time that they bid it down. that is how much he is going to get for his crop on that day. Now. whether one smokes or does not smoke. that is an individual prerogative in this country. Tie public policy has not been delineated. An individual in this country under our Constitution hs the right to do or not to do. as a creature of God has the right to go to hell If he wants tothat is his choice. So. I say vote no on the amendment. and Members will be helping all the people that need our help.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. we of the Incidence of oak wilt and oak decline have examined the amendment and disease and evaluate methods for controlknow of the consensus the gentleman ling the spread of such disease. The Sec. has been able to reach. retary shall prepare and submit a report to Also. It Is may understanding person- both Houses of Congress on or before alanfrom counsel. they might March 1. 1982. which shall Includeally and(1) the results of such study. want to verify with the gentleman (2) plans for further research into the from California. that all this does Is to control of oak wilt and oak decline disease: give the Secretary identical authority and in the plant pest area that he already (3) recommendations for controlling the has in the animal health area. For spread of the disease. including an estimate some reason. there was an omnission In of the costs involved and the availability of the original law. This will give him the financial assistance. authority to deal either with animal or Mr. LOEFFLER (during the readpests and this is the thrust and intent ing). Mr. Chairman. I ask unanimous of the amendment. . consent that the amendment be con-
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DO LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

I thank the gen- resulting in heavy losses throughout tleman for his interest and his work in Texas and may eventually impact this area. more than 3 million acres. of trees In Mr. Chairman. we have no objection nine - States from Texas to Virginia. to the amendment. and Is associated with oak wiltthe
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

I appreciate the gentleman yielding. Mr. Chairman. I would like to remind the House that under the Bedell amendment that was previously adopted. the mandatory part of the sunflower program was deleted. leavIng discretionary authority in the Secretary. and at this point I would suggest to the House that the House work Its will on the amendment. We would gladly accept the determination by the House at this point if the gentleman should prevail.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I would like to Inform the distinguished gentleman from Wisconsin . who is my dear friend. that the chairman has broken no agreement.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

The agreement had been and will continue to be that in any area In which it appears in this bill that we have joint or similar jurisdiction we would be very happy to have our colleagues from the Committee on Foreign Affairs participate as conferees to the extent that we have Joint Jurisdiction.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. If the gentleman will yield further. I appreciate the gentlemans clarification. .Our agreement continues to the extent that we have personal control.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. colleagues. We do not want to make will the gentleman yield? this legislation the work of the House
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

This Issue has This Is my first venture as chairman been informally discussed In the com- with a farm bill. but I do not want to mittee. We have had oversight hear- break the existing record for longevity ings on the agreement with New Zea- In time of discussion on legislation. So land. but the committee has not really It would be my hope that at some devoted. because of the time frame point when we rdinir to the Commitwhen we were preparing to come to tee of the Whole -we could assess all of the floor. the time necessary to really the amendments that are posted In eiraluate the Implications of an amend- the RECORD and evaluate the time ment such as the gentleman has of- frame. and set a jimit on debate In fered. although it certainly would order that we might not invite other appear to reflect the intent of many amendments that are not posted. members of the committee. The discussion has been beneficial. So in order to expedite proceedings I but it may be it is sometimes -repetiwould tell the gentleman that we tious and only adds to the length of would accept the amendment on this time in which we discuss this legislaside at this time with the understand- tion. So I would implore Members that Ing that It may be dropped In confer- when we do arrive at that time that ence if further study is needed with we would consider the fact that we the assurance that we would come have worked for 6 days on this legislaback in the committee. the appropri- tion and that we must proceed with ate subcommittee. for further study. other important legislation. I would and eventually arrive at something hope the Members would be amenable similar to this. But I do not feel that and cooperative to the Chairman we could commit ourselves at this time when we do ask for some restraint in In an irreversible manner. time. SIf that would help the gentleman I do not think that we have cut with what he is trying to do. we would anyone off. I think everyone has had be agreeable to that extent.. ample opportunity to discuss all of the
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I for discussion. move that.the Committee do now rise. But there is a point- In time when we
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Speaker. I move that the House resolve Itself into the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union for the further consideration of the bill to provide price and Income protection for farmers. assure consumers an abundance of food and fiber at reasonable prices. continue food assistance to lowincome households. and for other purposes.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I move to strike the requisite number of words. Mr. Chairman. Just to remind the Members that this Is a consensus amendment which has been worked out by both sides in the subcommittee. a tremendous amount of work has been done. both by Mr. COLEMAN and by Mr. RiciimoND. We. of course. agreed to the consensus and to the package which they brought to us. Unfortunately one section of that amendment seems to have some opposition to It and some legislative concerns have been expressed here. It would be my hope. although I Intend to support the package. that rather than object to the whole package. because we have the cap and other needed areas. that we accept the recommendation of the gentleman from New York Who is going to ask for a division of the question in order that we might approve the areas that have no controvcrsy and then address the Issue to which objection has been raised.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

I thank the gentleman. I think that would be a wise and prudent action to take. as the recommendations from the distinguished gentleman from New York always are. And I would hope that we would proceed in that fashion.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. we have an amendment composed of four sections of which three sections are unobjectionable. and then there is a question about the fourth one. Is It possible to vote on the unobjectionable sections without curtailing or limiting further debate on the fourth section?
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

I thank the Chairman. I rise to strike the requisite number of words. Mr. Chairman. I understand there Is a possibility of some agreement on this amendment if we lay over ov rnight and we have overstayed our welcome in this Chamber for this afternoon. I would hope. If it is possible. knowing that at this point three sections have no objection. that we might reach an agreement at this time that we would rise and come back In the morning with this matter pending. Having had the discussion that we have had here this afternoon from both chairman and the ranking members of the committee. the distinguished members of the Government Operations Subcommittee who have made a very forceful presentation and have presented their viewpoints. perhaps we might agree upon 1 hour tomorrow on the fourth section as sufficient time to conclude the debate on this amendment and any amendment thereto. and then continue with the balance of the bill.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

The gentleman from Texas understands the concern of the gentleman and appreciates his cooperation in this effort at this time.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

I would tell the gentleman that it was not a request at this time. But I yield to the gentle. man.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DR LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

But let me inform the gentleman that the whole amendment will be before us as we return. and the gentleman would not be precluded from trying to offer an amendment or getting another separate vote or trying to. AUl we are trying to do Is say we feel one hour should accommodate the remaining contribution tomorrow. and that is as simple as that. No one would be precluded. to the extent that one hour would handle the balance of the debate on this issue.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Well. I would tell the gentleman that one of the reasons for trying to do that is that I think we can ascertain the concern of some of the Members. Having sat through this bill now on Its sixth sitting. I assure you that it has never been my Intention to limit debate. But I have found out. in the last few days. that one disc course would invite another one. and then we get to repetition. With all due respect to the MembersI know that each Member makes a valuable contributionthere Is a point in time when we have to finish this legislation. Judging from the contributions already made by the chairman of -the committee and by the ranking minority member of the committee. who ostensibly should speak for all of the members of the committee. I cannot see where any contribution of more value than the two distinguished lead. era could be made. So hoping that overnight we might arrive at some form of compromise. we would allow an hour tomorrow to conclude.
Date: 1981-10-21
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

The gentleman from Texas can give no assurance In that respect. as the gentleman well knows. All that the gentleman from Texas is trying to do is trying to arrive at an agreement. Apparently. we will arrive at no agreement. So Mr. Chairman. I move that the Committee do nowv rise.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Speaker. I move that the House resolve itself into the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union for the further consideration of the bill to provide price and income protection for farmers. assure consumers an abundance of food and fiber at reasonable prices. continue food assistance to lowincome households. and for other purposes.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the gentleman yielding to me. This is to agree with the gentleman and reemphasize the fact that any activity which is pertinent to arrest under the law that any of the stricken language. if it is implied. does not diminish whatever the present law is and whatever part of it is encompassed within the present law. To that extent. I think that should be the legislative history. Further. I state to the Members that I appreciate the gentlemans spirit of compromise in this effort. and I think that with this change we would have satisfied the major concerns of most of the Members who have expressed concern. There is still some general concern. and perfiaps later we might be able to more fully address this issue. but for the present time as part of the compromise I think that we should go along and accept it in the spirit of compromise in order to prutect all of the other sections that encompass the consensus compromise. I thank the gentleman from Missouri.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I rise only to make the fact knowvn that. for example. under the powers of postal Inspectors the law reads that they can make arrests without warrant for felonies recognizable under the law7 of the United States If they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony. That is the present law for postal Inspectors. and we are dealing here with something that could be as serious or perhaps more serious under much more limiting circumstances.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: SAM B. HALL (democrat)
Chamber: H

As I understand the amendment. anyone who has already qualified for AFDC and SSI benefits. those people are automatically .qualifiled for food stamps without having to go file an application and go through the paperwork.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

(during the readIng). Mr. Chairman. I ask unanimous consent that the amendment be considered as read and printed In the RECORID.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. this amendment is the Identical wordIng of the bill. H.R. 1309. which has already passed the House by voice vote and it Is an attempt since it has not been picked up in the Senate. to Incorporate it Into this bill.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. wec have examined the gentlewomans amendment and consider it to be a valuable addition to the present law and would be very happy to accept it on our side.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

As chairman of the subcommittee that has jurisdiction over this matter. we appreciate the gentlemans interest and we would gladly accept the gentlemans amendment.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. this amendment Is to comply with the amendment just withdrawn by the gentleman from Illinois. so that we have in the bill completely taken out any reference to what Is already In the reconciliation bill.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank the gentleman for his kind and gracious words. I sympathize and agree with what the gentleman has expressed concerning agriculture and American family farms. I very much appreciate the gentlemans valuable contribution to our committee and the work that hie docs in trying to help the family farms and agriculture within our committee.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. we have examined the gentlemans amendment and know that he makes a valued contribution to the extension of the Consolidated Farm and Rural Development Act. and we have no objection to the amendment on this side.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. is it my understanding that the gentleman just adds another Item to the report already required of the Secretary?
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I notice in the gentlemans amendment that he limits its application to September 30. 1982. Is this correct?
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Under thle present law and authority. thle Secretary is able to deal on a oneonone basis. or one loan at a time. In ease they get. Into trobule. and this would have no effect on that?
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

And then the stipulation. if It gets to the 2percent level. that would be the trigger point for this emergency action?
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the gentleman yielding. but I must object to the amendment. in spite of the deep admiration and respect I have for the gentleman from Missouri. The problem Is that the honey support program ioperating well. We are having some problems with imports. The reason behind this amendment Is to lower the support price by 10 parity points. which in the long term would save us some $17 million. In the context of this multibillion dollar budget that we are working with. to disrupt a program which has worked so well and to disrupt the economic factor which the beekeepers or bee raisers are workIng under. without having had any hearings to assess the full impact that it could have on this small but Important segment of agriculture. might not be the wise thing to do at this time. For that reason. I would hope that my distinguished colleague would withdraw his amendment and allow. us to take a further look at this situation.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

I appreciate the gentlemans Interest In that respect. and I. concur with him. I certainly would urge the appropriate subcommittee to take a very close and detailed look at this matter because it is an Important matter and it should be addressed. I am hopeful. and I can almost assure the gentleman. that this would be done.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank the gentleman from Texas for his splendid idea. I think It Is something that ought to be done. and I would hope and respectfully request that the President would do so. I certainly would approve and. in our behalf. I accept the gentlemans amendment.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Specifically. the one beef import that we are addressing today is what Is called a lower class rangefed or nongrainfed beef. which is used as a beef product mixture. I think It should be made perfectly clear here that the homemaker or the housewife does not buy this type of beef at the grocery store. We are not talking about chops or steaks or the hamburger meat that she buys there. Most of it. the supermarket beef. comes in a carcass. and that is not the type that mix with horse or kangaroo meat. The carcass type does not lend itself to that. We are addressing then the meat type that comes In the frozen cubes or box. That is not sold at the grocery store. so the person who buys that beef knows where it is coming from. On such beef. the original pruchaser knows he bought It from a broker or a trader or from a company In Australia. so he knows where it came from. Then from that step It goes to either the one that processes it. mixes the lean beef with U.S. tallow or fat for the hamburger establishments. the beef establishments. but the one that you see at the grocery store. like from New Zealand. that is already marked by New Zealand as a product of New Zealand. where you buy a leg of lamb. We should not confuse roasts. or chops. or steaks bought by American homemakers or housewives at the grocery stores with the other type of beef. If this distinction is not so. then It is beyond the information that I have. It is only for composition of other meats. bologna. salami. et cetera. to whoever the processor desires. I would like. if It helps for the further debate of this Issue. to make this clear at this point and allow each Member to take the position which he desires to take. but knowing full well that we are not speaking of beef that we see or find at the counter at the grocery store for homemakers to buy..
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Mr. Chairman. I ask unanimous consent that debate on all pending amendments and amendments thereto end in onehalf hour. the time to be equally divided by the gentleman from Missouri and the gentleman from Texas..
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

That Is where the gentleman Is mistaken. because the budget can be changed If necessary. We are not doing anything to the $80 billion deficit with our bill as far as 1982 is concerned. That has been done by something else. Let me just tell the gentleman that we are talking. about something very. very important. which Is the American agricultural sector. It is the only sector bringing dollars back from abroad. the only one that Is helping In the balance of payments. Also. we discussed during consideration of an amendment how many farmers are going bankrupt. Now. you can have your guns and ships and tanks and missiles and submarines. you can be the strongest nation In the world economically. but if you have no food. forget it. As a friend from Brooklyn said. "Without no food. there aint no ballgame."1 That Is what we are dealing with tonight. The farm bill has always been a 4year bill. The Secretary of Agriculture the last time I discussed It with him was for a 4year bill. I think it would be prudent and wise to go to conference. see what We can work out over there as far as the budget is concerned. but the most prudent. the most wise decision would be to give some stability to the farmers. to allow them to plan. They need more time than a 2year bill to do their planning. I am an optimist. I believe in the President. He Is the only President we have got. He Is your President. He is my President. I do not believe in that great American who said. "voodoo economics."! I think he has regretted It ever since. I believe with the leadership we have Just some semblance of a safety net. this Is no bill that Is going to bail anyone. out. It is a safety net for the farmers of America.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

Oh. most certain. ly we could. The fact is that If we had a dramatic change In prices to the farmers. under the target price concept there would be no cost. The cost would be nil. We are dealing here with assumptions.
Date: 1981-10-22
Speaker: DE LA GARZA (democrat)
Chamber: H

He was talking about pnother area. We are not causing the deficit. The. farmers of America are not thc drain on the economy. They are not the drain on the budget. Yes. they impact on the budget some. but look at what they bring back from abroad in dollars. We spoke about trade. We spoke about everything that is needed. Again. let me tell you. my dear friends. a 4year bill is what we need for the planning of the farmers. I am optimistic about what Is going to happen to our country.