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ewommack
username_0
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**Goal**
I'm not actually sure if this should be a part, but I have a Porcupine quill removed from the knee joint of a Mountain Lion during prep. The quill was saved, and I would like to include it some how with the specimen record. 

Would this be more discoverable as its own part, or maybe it is such an odd occurrence it should just be listed as an unknown part or hair?


**Table**
[Mammal parts](https://arctos.database.museum/info/ctDocumentation.cfm?table=ctspecimen_part_name&coln=Mamm)

**Value**
Quill

**Definition**
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/12/porcupine-quills-reveal-their-prickly-secrets#:~:text=Porcupines%20are%20famed%20for%20their,the%20animals%20against%20natural%20predators.&text=The%20North%20American%20porcupine%20has,or%20so%20nearest%20its%20tip.

**Collection type**
Mamm
Code Table Request - Mammal Part - Quill
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campmlc
username_1
This seems reasonable.
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dustymc
username_2
https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/2423 is relevant
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campmlc
username_1
So that would be part = "hair", part attribute = "quill"?
Under that data structure, if someone searches for "quill" via the part
name, will they be able to find it, even though the data is in part
attribute? If not, how will people know to search under attributes vs part
name?
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dustymc
username_2
That's just a UI problem - somewhat similar to what we do for taxonomy, might have a similar solution.
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campmlc
username_1
It would be good if " just a UI problem" could be followed by an acceptable
UI solution.
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Jegelewicz
username_3
@AJLinn I would catalog the quill as a separate item and relate it to the mountain lion. As for the part name quill - I think we should add it until we have a real method for simplifying part names.
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dustymc
username_2
No objections.
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Jegelewicz
username_3
So - changing my stance and suggesting that @username_0 use "spine" as the part name.
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campmlc
username_1
My issue with that is searchability. Will anyone know to search on "spine"
when looking for quill? How do we allow searches on taxon specific terms if
they are lumped under terms that are not typically used?
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Jegelewicz
username_3
quill isn't in the code table - so you cannot search it. How many people will be looking for just "quill"?
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campmlc
username_1
Well, if I wanted to find a quill, I would type quill in part name. I would
not know to type spine or hair. This is where perhaps a part ontology with
synonyms would be useful. In the meantime, I would suggest we add quill as
a part name or attribute, but if we do it as an attribute, make a general
search in the UI which would search for both. But we know that solution
creates timeout issues.
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ewommack
username_0
Ok, I'll find the quill and get it as its own catalog item...Is that the idea.
I always thought this was going to be a one off thing, but I think we pulled another possible one out of a Black Bear this year. The more whole carnivore preps we do, we may find more...
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Jegelewicz
username_3
@username_0 are you OK with spine or do you still want quill?
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dustymc
username_2
We probably need a new value for https://arctos.database.museum/info/ctDocumentation.cfm?table=ctid_references as well.
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Jegelewicz
username_3
code table committee says add quill
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Jegelewicz
username_3
done
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Jegelewicz
username_3
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ewommack
username_0
Thanks @username_3. I pivoted away when another collection needed work, and haven't managed enough time to get back to this now. Thanks for working on it for me!
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dustymc
username_2
I'm putting this on the AWG agenda (or I'm trying to - @username_3 does the project still do that?). I don't have a solution for this particular situation, but I don't think a single hidden part should have this level of impact; this affects 1 of 727 authority values but only applies to 1 of 5,819,594 parts
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ewommack
username_0
Add it to the google doc. The Agenda is already made up for the next meeting :).

I just did a search of quill from parts on the search page and only found 20 things...all either of porcupines or made from porcupine quills: https://arctos.database.museum/saved/1636156071952_quill%20part
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dustymc
username_2
Only one of them involves part_name=quill.
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ewommack
username_0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rGOyFMxQGiLA5xr0pBoVjO3of9LSzEjU_wheLvPqWhI/edit?usp=sharing
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