Plé úsáideora:Guliolopez/Eadráin

(Apologies, but own contributions to this discussion may be largely in english, as my own irish is likely not up to standard for complex issues involved).Guliolopez 12:14, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
===Issues as I understand them:===
====Position of Úsáideoir:Panu Petteri Höglund====
Prolific contributor. Generally interested in improving articles on the irish language VP with respect to content that is gramatically correct and NPOV. Would prioritise content and correctness over style/layout/hyperlinks/etc/.
====Position of Úsáideoir:Cuir Mise An Locht Ar Na Tuistí====
More casual contributor. Generally interested in extending irish language VP generally with respect to inter-connectivity of existing articles. May compromise on language if it means a more simplified link between articles, and may leave it to other more knowledgable editors to resolve language issues.
"May compromise on language"...tá an-áibhéil déanta ar sin, measaim féin. Tharlaíodh sé, ach i ndáiríre, cá mhinic?
Cuir Mise An Locht Ar Na Tuistí 15:13, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
Tharla sé gach aon uair. Panu Petteri Höglund 15:17, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
Agus thairis sin, is minic agus is ró-mhinic a chuir sé a chuid seanbhotún ar ais i ndiaidh domsa iad a cheartú. Mura sabaitéireacht agus loitiméireacht é sin, ní lá go maidin é. Panu Petteri Höglund 15:22, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

Position of [[Úsáideoir:Panu Petteri Höglund]]

Position of [[Úsáideoir:Cuir Mise An Locht Ar Na Tuistí]]

Before we do anything else, would recommend we confirm the above. (Without writing an essay).
Guliolopez 12:14, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
What I would like to add:
- I have several times tried to contact Cuir Mise... on his talk page, pointing out the systematic errors in his Irish, and I have even pointed out that I am entirely willing to make use of any materials on the Web he finds relevant regarding a certain article. I have adviced him to use the talk page to give me advice, so that I could work any additional material into the articles. He has ignored the proposal.
- I am not against his adding links, but the fact is that he seems unable to add a link without compromising the grammar. As he has entirely ignored my advice, I can only conclude that he is sabotaging the Wiki wilfully. He seems to add hyperlinks just in order to give his sabotage a bona fide appearance, or to induce himself the feeling that he is actually doing any good.
- To start with, I took him as a bona fide editor, more enthusiastic than capable. However, I have successively lost any confidence in him, and am indeed convinced that he does not mean well, but is rather bent on damaging the Wikipedia and, by extension, the language cause, just for the sheer fun of it.
- He seems to have had a personal grudge against me, and has attacked and vandalized my edits systematically, even before the present "war" broke out.
- There is way too much bad Irish floating around already. If we want to save the language, we must take it seriously. I have spent the last ten years of my life studying Gaeltacht Irish with the explicit goal of acquiring fluency and natural, idiomatic expression. If we want the Wikipedia to have a positive impact, this is the kind of Irish we should strive for, inside the bounds of the official standard.
- We have a reason to believe that Cuir Mise... is a person who was already banned from the English-language Wikipedia because of sabotage and POV-pushing.
To sum up:
- I see myself as a bona fide editor and want to work for a better Wiki, and I would like people to respect my contribution enough in order not to vandalize it wilfully. It is tedious to be compelled to correct the same grammatical errors over and over again, when you could instead go further, correct other articles, write and translate new articles and so on. I am not trying to keep my Irish for myself, quite the opposite: I want to share my knowledge with others, and am already working on the Gramadach na Gaeilge article in that purpose.
- I do not trust Cuir Mise... more than I can throw him, and this distrust is the result of cumulating evidence against his good will. I find it quite impossible to cooperate with him in any way. It's him or me, quite simply.Panu Petteri Höglund 14:57, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
"I have several times tried to contact Cuir Mise... on his talk page...":
GET A FUCKING LIFE and stop destroying other people's work. Panu Petteri Höglund 19:27, 11 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
Keep off the pages I edit, or I'll raise a fucking hell. Panu Petteri Höglund 19:32, 11 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
"the fact is that he seems unable to add a link without compromising the grammar."
Chuile am?
"To start with, I took him as a bona fide editor, more enthusiastic than capable. However, I have successively lost any confidence in him..."
As it seems idle to try to get anything across to you in Irish, please take note of this: The unhappy fact is, that you do not have enough Irish to even add links without murdering the grammar. Please stop vandalizing my writings, because what you doing can only be called vandalism.
Bhí sin ar an chéad lá.
"He seems to have had a personal grudge against me..."
Ráiméis.
"It's him or me, quite simply."
Níl an gotha seo cabhrach ar bith.
Cuir Mise An Locht Ar Na Tuistí 15:26, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
Tá sé cineál spéisiúil go bhfágann mo dhuine an méid seo gan aird a thabhairt air:
Ar mhiste leat gan a bheith ag tabhairt drochíde don ghramadach ar leathanach Chogadh Carad na hÉireann. Le cead duit, níl tuiscint cheart agat go fóill ar úsáid cheart an ailt dheimhnigh sa Ghaeilge. Nuair atá ainmfhocal faoi réir ag ainmfhocal eile agus an t-alt deimhneach eatarthu, ní féidir alt a chur roimh an chéad fhocal acu a thuilleadh - is leor alt amháin leis an iomlán a dhéanamh deimhneach. Féach anseo:
Béarla: the people of the country (dhá "the") Gaeilge: muintir na tíre (níl ach aon alt amháin ann) mícheart ar fad: *an mhuintir na tíre (níl cead agat dhá alt a úsáid)
Níl ach aon eisceacht ann: tá "an mhuintir seo na tíre" ceart - má tá "seo", "sin" nó "úd" ann, is féidir an chéad "an" a chur ansin. Mar sin féin, níl sé mícheart cloí leis an bpríomhriail anseo ach an oiread: tá "muintir seo na tíre" ceart go leor freisin.
Dá réir sin, ní ceadmhach *"den Óglaigh na hÉireann" a úsáid. Is é "d'Óglaigh na hÉireann" an leagan ceart, gan ach aon alt amháin ansin.
Tá súil agam gur leor an nod don eolach.
Le dea-mhéin, Panu Petteri Höglund 18:06, 25 Aibreán 2006 (UTC)
- Uair eile: Tá tú ag déanamh dochair don ghramadach, agus mise díreach ag iarraidh bail éigin a chur ar an leathanach ó thaobh na teanga de. Mura n-éireoidh tú as anois, is é an tátal a bhainfidh mé as an scéal go bhfuil tú d'aon ogham ag iarraidh sabaitéireacht a dhéanamh ar mo chuid oibre, agus creid uaim go n-ardóidh mé an cheist sin i lárionad an chomhphobail. Panu Petteri Höglund 18:21, 25 Aibreán 2006 (UTC)
- Anois, tá mé ag éirí bréan breoite de seo. Níl tú ach ag sabaitéireacht gach aon dréacht de mo chuid féin. Níl an oiread Gaeilge agat is go mbeifeá in ann naisc shlachtmhara a chur isteach gan dochar a dhéanamh do ghramadach na teanga. Má tá rud éigin agat go pearsanta i m'aghaidh, cuir ríomhphost chugam, ach éirígh as an tsabaitéireacht. Panu Petteri Höglund 21:50, 25 Aibreán 2006 (UTC)
- As it seems idle to try to get anything across to you in Irish, please take note of this: The unhappy fact is, that you do not have enough Irish to even add links without murdering the grammar. Please stop vandalizing my writings, because what you doing can only be called vandalism. Do try to acquire a level of Irish that is as high as the level of your enthusiasm to contribute. But as the things are, I am terribly sorry to say that you seem to be unable to contribute with anything very constructive. Panu Petteri Höglund 21:57, 25 Aibreán 2006 (UTC)
- You are still unable to create links without distorting the grammar. Is it really too much to hope, that you put the basic form of the word on the left side of a vertical line, and keep my inflected form on the right side of the line? Don't you really know how to make Wikipedia links without distorting grammar? I am sick and tired of tidying up the grammar after you. It is my sincere opinion that you are doing more harm than good. Do try to take the trouble of reading a couple of books by native speakers and annotating them thoroughly, so as to find out about good Irish, and come back after one year, that will be quite enough to get going. Remember to get a copy of the unabridged version of Ó Dónaill's dictionary. Here is a list of recommended readings: [1] Panu Petteri Höglund 21:28, 7 Bealtaine 2006 (UTC)
I annulled your edits, because it has become quite obvious by now that you are not a bona fide editor, but a saboteur with some kind of personal grudge. Let it be known that you are not helping the language cause along. Panu Petteri Höglund 15:27, 8 Bealtaine 2006 (UTC)
Is it really such fun destroying other people's work? I cannot simply understand how anyone can be such a piece of damned nuisance. Panu Petteri Höglund 18:07, 8 Bealtaine 2006 (UTC)
Would you please stop murdering the grammar. Face it: it will take a long time before you are able to actually correct anything in an article written by me. Panu Petteri Höglund 19:22, 11 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
Is é an rud a deir mo dhuine go raibh an méid seo: As it seems idle to try to get anything across to you in Irish, please take note of this: The unhappy fact is, that you do not have enough Irish to even add links without murdering the grammar. Please stop vandalizing my writings, because what you doing can only be called vandalism. ann "ar an chéad lá", díreach mar nach mbeinn tar éis iarracht i ndiaidh iarracht a dhéanamh chun teacht i dteagmháil leis roimhe sin féin. Is é an chuma atá ar an scéal nach bhfuil sé ag glacadh na headrána seo féin dáiríre.Panu Petteri Höglund 15:34, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
PS: Gabh mo leithscéal go gcuirfinn a leithéid de chunk mór téacs ar an leathanach seo, a Ghuliolopez. Ach mar a fheiceann tú féin, tá mo dhuine iontach roghnach ag tabhairt fianaise, agus bhí eagla orm go rachadh sé ag scrios an méid seo ar a "talk page" féin. Mar sin, b'fhearr liom é a chur i dtaisce anseo. Panu Petteri Höglund 15:56, 14 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

Alright lads - thanks for your comments above, and appreciate that you are both open to working this out. (Although I notice that we had another revert war on Na Ceithre Chúirteanna, Bono, Corcaigh in the meantime).
(And apologies CMALANT, my comment "May compromise on language" may be a bit strongly put, but it is possibly the most diplomatic way of representing PPH's perception.)
Anyway, the complaint/issue as I understand it is that, when CMALANT "links" to other articles, it may compromise punctuation, accents, and other indications of case or gender or otherwise. As an example, "Cursaí i gColáiste na hOllscoile" to "Cursaí i gColáiste na hOllscoile".
To be fair to CMALANT, I think this issue is exacerbated by the fact that the wikipedia software (and therefore the linking conventions) don't always lend themselves easily to a language like Irish in which the word is spelled differently depending on usage/declention. Given that it was written primarily for english, where a convention for "linking" is easily managed, as case or gender or accent will rarely become an issue. For example: a link can easily be drawn to an article named "College" from sentence "Courses of the College" in english. However, in Irish, one is almost forced to "break" the language if linking an article named "Coláiste na hOllscoile" directly from sentence "Cursaí i gColáiste na hOllscoile".
That said, there are constructs in wikipedia protocol which allow for this. Namely, one can link WITHOUT interupting the language in the display with: "Cursaí i gColáiste na hOllscoile".
Can we agree that, if CMALANT employed such an approach (with care), and linked exclusively in the tuiseal ainmneach, that his edits would be more acceptable? And, in return, PPH will be more open to links drawn to articles where language is not interupted and an tuiseal ainmneach and ginideach are not corrupted?
Guliolopez 12:49, 15 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
I have no problems with links which do not corrupt the usage. However, that is precisely the proposal I made him weeks ago, as you see in the above, and he never noticed it. Panu Petteri Höglund 12:56, 15 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

*That said, there are constructs in wikipedia protocol which allow for this. Namely, one can link WITHOUT interupting the language in the display with: "Cursaí i gColáiste na hOllscoile".

Interesting.  For what it's worth, I always believed it was Vicipéid policy actively to exclude the eclipsis (and prefixed h's) from links in instances like that.  I thought it was preferable to write "faoin gcumannachas" rather than "faoin gcumannachas", as I did in the article on Margaret Thatcher; likewise, "go hÉirinn" rather than "go hÉirinn", and "Poblacht na hÉireann" instead of "Poblacht na hÉireann" (and, for that matter, "Éireann" instead of "Éireann").  That was how it appeared to me when I first started contributing back in January, and I actually found it aesthetically preferable; indeed, I think I may even have "corrected" some links in certain articles in the past.  Perhaps this is something that should be dealt with in the Lámhleabhar Stíle.  Just adding my point of view, and sorry if this makes me seem a bit of a nuisance.  I hope all the parties involved can resolve this satisfactorily.  Le meas, An Piscín 13:30, 15 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

::A Phiscín, ní nuisance thú ar aon nós, tá tú ag déanamh jab maith ar fad, ós rud é gur féidir comhoibriú leat. Sin é an rud is tábhachtaí, sin é an rud freisin nach bhfuil foghlamtha ag CMALANT, agus dá réir sin, sin é an fáth nach bhfuil muinín agam as CMALANT a thuilleadh. Panu Petteri Höglund 13:50, 15 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

:Tá brón orm go bhfuil mé ag teacht isteach sa diospóireacht seo chomh déanach is an méid seo, ach tá mé i lár mo chuid scrúduithe faoi láthair -beidh mé ar ais ar an gCéadaoin seo chugainn. Thanks for mediating this Guliolopez, I hope no-one minds me commenting. Feictear domsa nach bhfuil ann ach míthuiscint - b'fhéidir nach raibh a fhios ag Cuir Mise gur féidir naisc phíopáilte a úsáid (.i. 'piped' links with a bar in the middle, as Guliolopez explained above), agus mar sin bhí sé (nó sí) ag déanamh leathanaigh athsheolta do na claochluithe éagsúla. I have a feeling that this was misinterpreted by others as very poor understanding of grammar/sabotage, compounded by not replying to several messages on his talk page.

:The majority of the links he has added have been positive contributions though; I really think we should try to move on from here, and I support Guliolopez's suggestions. As well as using piped links in preference to redirects (eg "Tíortha san Afraic"), can I also suggest making more use of the Réamhamharc (preview) button where possible, to avoid many small edits where one large one would suffice? This makes the Recent Changes page clearer and reduces strain on the databases.

:Maidir leis an bpointe sin a léiríonn tú, a Phiscín, aontaím go bhfuil sé riachtanach rialacha a scríobh sa Lámhleabhar Stíle - I personally agree with the guidelines as you've outlined them there, but of course if we don't have the stuff written down it's no use! These things were never fully fleshed out. Táim ag obair ar aistriúchán den lámhleabhar eagarthóireachta ach níl sé críochnaithe fós - an bhfuil éinne in ann cuidiú liom? Tá na bunleagain anseo ag an Vicipéid Béarla agus anseo ag Meta. -Gabriel Beecham 14:40, 15 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
===One point I'd like to add, pointe eile fós===
I'd like to point out, too, that CMALANT has several times tried to change the wording in a subtle way, for example substituting "na Sé Chontae" for "Tuaisceart Éireann". I take this as the Republican POV-pushing his namesake on the English side of the fence has been accused of. Now, I do not have a principal objection against "na Sé Chontae" as an expression, and I tend to use it myself as a pure synonym of "Tuaisceart Éireann" just in order to avoid a flat and tedious style (although I admit that this is probably a flaw when you write an encyclopedia which is supposed to be standardized and "flat" in style). But what I do object to in CMALANT's attempts is, that, his understanding of the Irish language and grammar being, to put it mildly, less than subtle, this kind of tinkering always leads to the collapse of grammar and syntax when he is at it, and adds nothing to the informational content. I have several times tried to point it out to him, that if he has something to add to the informational content of an article, I am very happy to work it into the article in a grammatically correct way, if he points facts, features, and URLs out to me on the talk page. He never answered.
There is also the fact that he tries to add links to pages that are about things he knows nothing about. What I mean is: If I write a page about the history of Sweden, it will quite probably include the place-names Trondhjem and Fredrikshald. Now, if you know anything about Nordic history, you know that these places are not so called anymore - today, they are called Trondheim and Halden, respectively. So, I'll add links such as Trondhjem and Fredrikshald. I would like to be able to rely on it, that CMALANT won't change these into Trondhjem and Fredrikshald respectively, just because he deigns to have the feeling or intuition that my links are somehow bad or wrong. The problem is, I can't rely on it. I have got the impression that this link-adding thing is rather about his need to feel he is doing something worthwhile, and the fact is, that most of his links on my pages tend to be useless and uninformed, partly because he is ignorant of or careless about correct Irish grammar, and partly because he is, to put it bluntly, lacking in knowledge.
So, the problem is basically one of trust. I do not trust him. I do not trust his good intentions. And I am definitely not going to leave Vicipéid just because an ill-intentioned person is wilfully destroying my work. Panu Petteri Höglund 18:19, 15 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
"I am definitely not going to leave Vicipéid..." Tá seo níos-fearr ná "him or me". Tá dóchas againn fós. Is é an fadhb atá agam go bhfuil Panu ag scriseadh naisc ar ailt nach bhfuil athrú ar bith ar an gramadach, in ainm "gnáthcleachtais". Cá bhfuair sé/sí seo?
Cuir Mise An Locht Ar Na Tuistí 10:39, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
Is é an fhadhb atá agat go bhfuil tú ag déanamh dochair don ghramadach le stainc orm. Níl tuiscint cheart agat don ghramadach, agus níl fonn ort feabhas a chur ort. It begs the question, cad é an rud faoin spéir atá tú a dhéanamh ar Vicipéid na Gaeilge ach sabaitéireacht.
Panu Petteri Höglund 10:45, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
And again he reverted a page (Na Ceithre Chúirteanna) where he had destroyed the grammar (for example, that jarring way of his to put a fleiscín into superlative constructions, like "is-fearr", "is-mó" - it can be only his invention, his POV regarding the Irish grammar, because nobody else ever uses it). His idea of correct Irish grammar is so shaky, and his will to tinker with the wording so great, that I already depend on it as a matter of principle that all his edits, no matter how bona fide, will include some similar stupidity. This is precisely what I mean when I say that I do not trust him, and this is why I revert his edits as a matter of routine before adding new content, and recommend this routine to everybody else. Nobody else has ever vandalized my grammar in any way, but to him this kind of vandalism seems to come unintentionally.
The fact is - and I am positive nobody contests this - that my command of Irish is, due to a ten-year-long intensive self-tuition and research in Gaeltacht Irish writings, vastly superior to his. If he wants to learn better Irish and stop sabotaging, then he will ask me nicely what exactly is wrong with his Irish, or take the trouble of reading some of the good books I have read and recommended - to him. He has never even tried this approach, presumably because he couldn't care less. As you see above, I have several times explained to him what exactly was wrong with his grammar. He never paid any heed, but continues to actively reproduce the same grammatical errors. Panu Petteri Höglund 10:58, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
===One more note: It is really not about links.===
Interestingly enough, in our little "revert war" he never tries to insert the same links into the grammatically correct version. Instead, he reverts to the grammatically incorrect version. If it were really about links, and nothing personal, he would understand that it is much easier to insert the links - the  signs - into the grammatically correct texts, than restore the grammar around his new links. So, it is not really about links. It is some personal grudge of his, or he is wilfully sabotaging the grammar. Besides, if I do restore the grammar after he has attacked the page, he'll tinker with it again. So, this link thing is just an excuse.
And yes. It is still me or him. Considering that he seems to be the same person who was banned from the English-language wiki for POV-pushing, I do not see why we should give him free rein to destroy everything here. His "contribution" is entirely destructive and irritating. Panu Petteri Höglund 11:08, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
===CMALANT and piped links===
Please take note that CMALANT didn't heed your council to introduce piped links. Instead, his tactics is to introduce a host of new redirect pages for every conceivable declination form or orthographic variant of a word or a name - Airt Uí Ghríobhtha, Art Ó Gríofa, Art Ó Gríobhthaigh and so on. I reckon this means more strain on the servers than the piped links. Are you guys not seeing a pattern here - that he is ar nós cuma liom about the language and the community, and that he is dochomhairleach as Seán Bán Mac Meanman would say - that he does not listen to well-meaning counsels? Panu Petteri Höglund 11:59, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
===CMALANT actively introducing substandard grammar and orthography===
One example of CMALANT's tinkering was, that on the page about Adyghe language (which I haven't, actually, ever touched myself - I need to improve the grammar), he changed "sa Rúis" into san Rúis in order to make the linking easier for himself. Now, we all should know that "sa Rúis" is standard, but "san Rúis", although not strictly wrong, is definitely not standard (the fact that it never occurred to him to use the somewhat archaic, but at least elegant possibility "ins an Rúis only shows how little he knows or cares). I just want to ask: why should we tolerate this sort of thing, at all? Panu Petteri Höglund 12:41, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
===Vicipéid's bad image among established Gaeilgeoirí===
I'd like to add that being a member of the Gaelic-L e-mail list since 1995, I have had the opportunity to find out about how fluent mainstream Irish-speakers feel about Vicipéid. The prevailing attitude is surprisingly, shockingly negative and even tarcaisniúil - derisive. The reason is, that people have come here and done some edit - and found their job soon destroyed by some over-zealous busybody who has only a very shaky idea of the language. Who was that busybody? I have my suspicions.
The fact is, Vicipéid is never going to thrive if people like CMALANT are allowed to have their way. This project could be a great asset to the language if we could enlist more fluent speakers. But they won't come, they won't go anywhere near us. Why? Because they think CMALANT is all there is to Vicipéid. Panu Petteri Höglund 12:51, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to point out, too, that CMALANT has several times tried to change the wording in a subtle way, for example substituting "na Sé Chontae" for "Tuaisceart Éireann". I take this as the Republican POV-pushing his namesake on the English side of the fence has been accused of. Now, I do not have a principal objection against "na Sé Chontae" as an expression, and I tend to use it myself as a pure synonym of "Tuaisceart Éireann" just in order to avoid a flat and tedious style (although I admit that this is probably a flaw when you write an encyclopedia which is supposed to be standardized and "flat" in style). But what I do object to in CMALANT's attempts is, that, his understanding of the Irish language and grammar being, to put it mildly, less than subtle, this kind of tinkering always leads to the collapse of grammar and syntax when he is at it, and adds nothing to the informational content. I have several times tried to point it out to him, that if he has something to add to the informational content of an article, I am very happy to work it into the article in a grammatically correct way, if he points facts, features, and URLs out to me on the talk page. He never answered.
There is also the fact that he tries to add links to pages that are about things he knows nothing about. What I mean is: If I write a page about the history of Sweden, it will quite probably include the place-names Trondhjem and Fredrikshald. Now, if you know anything about Nordic history, you know that these places are not so called anymore - today, they are called Trondheim and Halden, respectively. So, I'll add links such as [[Trondheim|Trondhjem]] and [[Halden|Fredrikshald]]. I would like to be able to rely on it, that CMALANT won't change these into [[Trondhjem]] and [[Fredrikshald]] respectively, just because he deigns to have the feeling or intuition that my links are somehow bad or wrong. The problem is, I can't rely on it. I have got the impression that this link-adding thing is rather about his need to feel he is doing something worthwhile, and the fact is, that most of his links on my pages tend to be useless and uninformed, partly because he is ignorant of or careless about correct Irish grammar, and partly because he is, to put it bluntly, lacking in knowledge.
So, the problem is basically one of trust. I do not trust him. I do not trust his good intentions. And I am definitely not going to leave Vicipéid just because an ill-intentioned person is wilfully destroying my work. Panu Petteri Höglund 18:19, 15 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
"I am definitely not going to leave Vicipéid..." Tá seo níos-fearr ná "him or me". Tá dóchas againn fós. Is é an fadhb atá agam go bhfuil Panu ag scriseadh naisc ar ailt nach bhfuil athrú ar bith ar an gramadach, in ainm "gnáthcleachtais". Cá bhfuair sé/sí seo?
Cuir Mise An Locht Ar Na Tuistí 10:39, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
Is é an fhadhb atá agat go bhfuil tú ag déanamh dochair don ghramadach le stainc orm. Níl tuiscint cheart agat don ghramadach, agus níl fonn ort feabhas a chur ort. It begs the question, cad é an rud faoin spéir atá tú a dhéanamh ar Vicipéid na Gaeilge ach sabaitéireacht.
Panu Petteri Höglund 10:45, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)
And again he reverted a page (Na Ceithre Chúirteanna) where he had destroyed the grammar (for example, that jarring way of his to put a fleiscín into superlative constructions, like "is-fearr", "is-mó" - it can be only his invention, his POV regarding the Irish grammar, because nobody else ever uses it). His idea of correct Irish grammar is so shaky, and his will to tinker with the wording so great, that I already depend on it as a matter of principle that all his edits, no matter how bona fide, will include some similar stupidity. This is precisely what I mean when I say that I do not trust him, and this is why I revert his edits as a matter of routine before adding new content, and recommend this routine to everybody else. Nobody else has ever vandalized my grammar in any way, but to him this kind of vandalism seems to come unintentionally.
The fact is - and I am positive nobody contests this - that my command of Irish is, due to a ten-year-long intensive self-tuition and research in Gaeltacht Irish writings, vastly superior to his. If he wants to learn better Irish and stop sabotaging, then he will ask me nicely what exactly is wrong with his Irish, or take the trouble of reading some of the good books I have read and recommended - to him. He has never even tried this approach, presumably because he couldn't care less. As you see above, I have several times explained to him what exactly was wrong with his grammar. He never paid any heed, but continues to actively reproduce the same grammatical errors. Panu Petteri Höglund 10:58, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, in our little "revert war" he never tries to insert the same links into the grammatically correct version. Instead, he reverts to the grammatically incorrect version. If it were really about links, and nothing personal, he would understand that it is much easier to insert the links - the [[]] signs - into the grammatically correct texts, than restore the grammar around his new links. So, it is not really about links. It is some personal grudge of his, or he is wilfully sabotaging the grammar. Besides, if I do restore the grammar after he has attacked the page, he'll tinker with it again. So, this link thing is just an excuse.
And yes. It is still me or him. Considering that he seems to be the same person who was banned from the English-language wiki for POV-pushing, I do not see why we should give him free rein to destroy everything here. His "contribution" is entirely destructive and irritating. Panu Petteri Höglund 11:08, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

One example of CMALANT's tinkering was, that on the page about Adyghe language (which I haven't, actually, ever touched myself - I need to improve the grammar), he changed "sa Rúis" into s[[an Rúis]] in order to make the linking easier for himself. Now, we all should know that "sa Rúis" is standard, but "san Rúis", although not strictly wrong, is definitely not standard (the fact that it never occurred to him to use the somewhat archaic, but at least elegant possibility "ins [[an Rúis]] only shows how little he knows or cares). I just want to ask: why should we tolerate this sort of thing, at all? Panu Petteri Höglund 12:41, 16 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:Moilleadóir

Thanks to correct Irish texts in Commons. Step to step Commons is becoming a place in that all the languages are present affirming their condition of multilingual project, although certainly still is left much to do. Greetings from Galicia, saúdos dende Galicia.--Rocastelo 16:31, 23 Meitheamh 2006 (UTC)

As you may have noticed the Gaelic wiktionary is undergoing a rebirth. :nl:wikt:Gebruiker:Jcwf

Heh - maith agat, Jaap. Great minds think alike :) - Alison ☺ 16:45, 15 Meán Fómhair 2007 (UTC)

... ar ais, a chara!! - Alison ❤ 06:32, 12 Aibreán 2022 (UTC)
... ar ais arís :) - Alison plé 15:06, 1 Samhain 2023 (UTC)

:Tá a leithéid agus Plaid Cymru agus Fianna Fáil ag Wikidata. Shíl mé go mbeadh sé measúil nó ómósach leas a bhaint as na leaganacha  atá in úsáid sna hailt sna teangacha Ceilteacha éagsúla (le cur síos inár dteanga féin ina dhiaidh) sna cásanna seo! Mar shampla, d'úsáid mé an logainm 'Abertyleri'..ní an leagan Béarla 'Abertillery'.Is fiú a lua go n-úsáidtear an leagan Breatnaise ar shuíomh na Coirnise freisin!(Tag.:https://kw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abertyleri) Cuir glaoch orm más mian leat tuilleadh plé ar an ábhar seo. 01 832 1949 Ériugena (plé) 12:59, 2 Samhain 2023 (UTC)

::Is fuath liom an nós seo freagraí a scaradh óna mbunchomhráite.  B’fhearr gach rud a choinneáil in aon áit amháin sa gcaoi bhféadfadh duine ciall a bhaint astu. ⚜ Moilleadóir ✍ 01:41, 3 Samhain 2023 (UTC)


Plé:1. Fußballclub Union Berlin

Rinne mé dearmad ar logáil isteach sular scríobh mé an t-alt gearr seo. Tá brón orm. Netzrack.N 13:45, 7 Iúil 2006 (UTC)

https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plé:1. Fußballclub Union Berlin


Plé Vicipéide:Grammar Hints

This should be a Speisialta kind of page, but I have no rights to make it one. Anyone? Panu Petteri Höglund 17:34, 16 Iúil 2006 (UTC)

This page isn't really suitable for the Irish Wikipedia: it's in English, and isn't an encylopaedic article. It would however be suitable for English Wikibooks; how about we move it there, and linking to it from here? There's already a module on Irish, and that could be expanded or an entirely new module could be started.--Gabriel Beecham 20:39, 16 Iúil 2006 (UTC)

:The point is, that people in the community have shown interest in the idea, because they think it would help them improve their Irish.Panu Petteri Höglund 12:54, 2 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

::The idea is commendable, don't get me wrong, but this is the sort of thing that Wikibooks was made for - open source textbooks and guides. Having it there would increase its exposure, and we can easily link between all Wikimedia projects with internal links (eg the one above), so full use can be made of it here. The Speisialta namespace is only for the so-called Special pages automatically generated by the MediaWiki software (such as Recentchanges and Movepage). The Vicipéid namespace would be better, but it would be better again to transwiki the page to Wikibooks. --Gabriel Beecham 19:45, 2 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

:::It's OK if somebody more knowledgeable of the software than me (you maybe?) can take care of the transwiki part. Panu Petteri Höglund 14:13, 3 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

I don't think this belongs in Speisialta either.  This looks more suitable for the Vicipéid namespace.  Great idea, though!--Ag Foghlaim 15:56, 2 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

I would of course make this a major part of my own discussion page, or my own personal page. Would you prefer that - "Today's Tip from Panu/Leid an Lae ó Phanu"? Panu Petteri Höglund 14:11, 3 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

Sign me up :)--Ag Foghlaim 18:33, 3 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

I'd follow such a page Panu — Conor O Bradaigh 22:33, 3 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)


Plé:Blàr Allt a' Bhonnaich

Ar chóir an t-alt seo a athainmniú mar Cath Ailt a' Bhonnaich?  Céard é polasaí na Vicipéide maidir le logainmneacha i dtíortha Ceilteacha eile?  Scríobh mé an stumpa faoi Benoded, baile sa Bhriotáin.  Benodet an t-ainm atá air sa Fhraincis, ach d'úsáid mé an t-ainm Briotáinise san alt. -- An Piscín 22:49, 18 Iúil 2006 (UTC)

Allt a' Bhonnaich an Ghàidhlig cheart ar an gceantar. Ceapaim gur fearr i bhfad logainmneacha Ghaelacha a úsáid d'áiteanna in Albain agus ar Oileán Mhanann ar aon nós, agus leaganacha Ghaeilge a fháil más féidir - mar shampla, ba fearr Dún Éideann a scríobh anseo ná Dùn Èideann. An bhfuil aon mhalairt Ghaeilge (Éireannach) ann ar Allt a' Bhonnaich? "The bannock stream" an Béarla a thugtar sa sainfhoclóir seo, agus tá 'bannach' ann i De Bhaldraithe. --Gabriel Beecham 20:29, 19 Iúil 2006 (UTC)

Polasaí na Vicipéide maidir le logainmneacha i dteangacha Ceilteacha eile

https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plé:Blàr Allt a' Bhonnaich


Plé:An tSeapáinis

Tá roinnt scríbhneoireacht Seapáinise ar an VP (mar shampla Tóiceo), cuid de scríofa i gcló Iodáilis agus cuid de trom.  Ceapaim go bhfuil sé do-léite nuair atá sé mar seo (cén ceann is so-léite dar leat: "日本語", "日本語", nó "日本語"?).  An bhfuil caighdeán oifigiúil ag an VP maidir le seo?  Muna bhfuil, an féidir go scríobhfar é i ngnáth-chló amach anseo?  (Tá brón orm gur scríobh mé é seo ar leathanach phlé na Seapáinise; níl 'fhios agam an bhfuil aon áit eile len é a phlé.)  An aontaíonn éinne eile liom?  Conor O Bradaigh 15:32, 22 Iúil 2006 (UTC)
Níl sé fíor go hiomlán nach féidir le dhá chonsan teacht le chéile. Is féidir le /N/ teacht roimh consain eile, ach amháin ag tús focail.  Conor O Bradaigh 14:10, 23 Iúil 2006 (UTC)
Ceart go leor, feabhsóidh mé é. Panu Petteri Höglund 15:17, 23 Iúil 2006 (UTC)
Tá súil agam go bhfuil sé níos fearr anois. Ar ndóigh, d'fhéadfainn tuilleadh mór a chur leis, de réir a chéile. :) Panu Petteri Höglund 15:28, 23 Iúil 2006 (UTC)

Rud amháin eile, is é an caighdeán ná go scríobhfar fóinéimí le /slashes/ agus fóin ("phone") le [brackets].  Athróidh mé é. Conor O Bradaigh 15:44, 23 Iúil 2006 (UTC)

“Tá an tSeapáinis réasúnta gann sna fóinéimí, agus níl sé ceadaithe consain a chur in aice le chéile ach amháin taobh istigh den fhocal, agus ar an acht go bhfuil an fhóinéim /n/ ar ceann de na consain atá i gceist.”
Cad is brí leis sin? Má chiallíonn sé nach bhfuil sé ceadaithe chun tús nó deireadh a chur ar fhocail Seapáinise leis an bhfóinéim /n/, níl sé sin fíor. Tá dhá shórt 'n' le fáil i Seapáinis, an céad sórt - /n/ - atá in ann tús a chur ar shiollaí (agus sna cásanna sin, caithfear guta a bheith ina dhiadh), agus /ɴ/, atá le fáil ar dheireadh na siollaí i gcónaí. Mar sin, is féidir focal amháin /n/ a bheith aige i dtús agus /ɴ/ a bheith aige ina dheireadh, agus /n/ agus/nó /ɴ/ a bheith aige taobh istigh an fhocail.


Plé:Proinsias Mac Aogáin

De réir an comhrá anseo - Plé:Cogadh Cathartha na hÉireann - agus na taifead oifigiúil ar na díospóireachtaí palaiminte - [mar seo] - cheapaim go raibh an ainm an alt a bhíodh ann roimhe seo ceart. Cheapaim go bhfuil "Proinsias Mac Aogáin" an ainm úsáíd an fear féin. (A Phanu, I have immeasurable respect for your contributions to the VP, but I think on this occasion that you are incorrect. As far as I can tell, he used the name "Proinsias Mac Aogáin" himself for official dáil business, including the signature of official documents while Minister for External Affairs. (See: Exchange of Notes constituting an Agreement between the Government of Australia and the Government of the Republic of Ireland relating to Air Services which is signed "PRIONSIAS MAC AOGAIN Minister for External Affairs") Who are we to change that!? Guliolopez 13:54, 27 Iúil 2006 (UTC)
Is cosúil gur úsáid sé an dá leagan. "Mac Aodhagáin" ar dtús, agus "Mac Aogáin" i ndiaidh an athruithe litrithe sna 40aí. Mac Aogáin, mar sin, an leagan ceart. [Usáideoir anaithnid i SFran]
Agus is annamh, amach is amach, a d'úsáid sé leagan ar bith eile ach "Frank Aiken", agus geallaim leat gur beag Éireannach beo a d'aithneodh an leagan Gaeilge.
Well, if Mac Aogáin was his own usage, then it must at least be found in the article. Mo dhearmad. Panu Petteri Höglund 17:00, 28 Iúil 2006 (UTC)

Go raibh maith agat a Phanu. Comhréiteach maith. Guliolopez 17:42, 28 Iúil 2006 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:Hoopydink

Teachtairiacht me!	Teachtairiacht me!	Teachtairiacht me!	Teachtairiacht me!

Sláinte!

Failté! Bastique 21:30, 29 Meán Fómhair 2006 (UTC)

Hi there are limited articles on animals and plants and I have limited Irish as shown by my typing in English. anon.
Em. Hi. Do you realise that you just deleted the main page. "Control Z" anyone? Guliolopez 19:10, 22 Márta 2007 (UTC)

Gosh, I cannot believe I just did that!  I was trying to delete a redirect that I created, as I misspelled a word, and then I was wondering why it didn't say "cealaigh" in the deletion tab.  Suffice it to say, it was a slip on my part!  My sincere apologies to you!  Sláinte Hoopydink 19:17, 22 Márta 2007 (UTC)

:Honest mistake I'm sure. Serious baptism of fire though! Admin rights for less than 30 minutes, and deleted the main page :) Bí cúramach agus tóg go bog é! :)

::Mo baistim le tine, go deimhin!  Buíochas do tuigh! Hoopydink 19:27, 22 Márta 2007 (UTC)

Hi Hoopydink - out of interest where did you get admin rights for this wiki? --Gabriel Beecham 19:55, 22 Márta 2007 (UTC)

:See m:Requests_for_permissions#Irish_Wikipedia. I personally didn't realise that "pleas to the gallery" was a valid means of requesting (or assigning) admin rights. I thought "administrator" was an elected position. Guliolopez 22:11, 22 Márta 2007 (UTC)

::I see. I'm a bureaucrat for this wiki so I could have granted rights in this case; the Meta route is generally used for projects with too few contributors to have local polls take place. Thanks to our modest user levels compared to other wikis the Vicipéid namespace is quite empty, meaning Vicipéid:Riarthóirí is somewhat hidden from most users and is fairly abandoned (as pointed out it hasn't been edited since the summer and I personally hadn't thought about it for months until now). I do think, however, that we have enough users to make voting for admins work; so given that we have such a low number of project/community pages, maybe it would be a good idea to list them all at the top of a commonly used page such as Speisialta:Recentchanges to make them more visible? There are quite a few prolific regulars here who probably should have rights by now; maybe we can set up proper criteria/procedures for nominations. --Gabriel Beecham 01:44, 23 Márta 2007 (UTC)

Conas 'ta tú, a bhuachaill! Táim anseo anois :) Cur ríomhphoist chugham, más maith leat. Táim im' riarthóir ar ga.wikt anois agus ... ummm .... an bhfuil aon am agat? :) Slán 's beannachtaí - Alison ☺ 05:03, 28 Lúnasa 2007 (UTC)

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Plé MediaWiki:Sitenotice

Nárbh fhearr "...Bhord Riartha Fhondúireacht Wikimedia"? -- An Piscín 21:19, 1 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

Is fearr, athróidh mé an fógra. --Gabriel Beecham 23:52, 1 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

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In all cases, please use the sitenotice with care, and keep in mind that occasional visitors see sitenotices on all their visits, if they visit less than once a month or they don't click "dismiss" and save a cookie. Nemo 15:43, 24 Márta 2015 (UTC)


Plé:An Bhealarúis

An Bhílearúis nó an Bhealarúis? Tá an Bhílearúisis ann cheana féin. "An Bhílearúis" a bhí i bhFoclóir Póca, agus an Bhealarúis ar Acmhainn.ie. Cé acu is fearr linn? Panu Petteri Höglund 16:39, 7 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

I beg my pardon for my dilettante approach (and for Béarla as well, for I am only a learner), but an Bhealarúis:

*is closer to the original "Беларусь";

*gets more google hits than an Bhílearúis.

While both spellings are undoubtedly correct in Irish (specialized Foclóir Tíortha, Ciníocha agus Teangacha, available through  Focal.ie, lists both spellins as equivalent), taking into consideration the above two points makes me lean towards the existing variant.

If you are going to answer, please don't pity me and do so in Irish :)  It's bad enough I dare to provide my comments having only a few months of Irish studies behind me.  Thank you.--Ag Foghlaim 17:09, 7 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

:Ar chóir an Bhílearúisis a ath-ainmniú má fágtar An Bhealarúis mar atá?  Conor O Bradaigh 17:26, 7 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

::Dealraíonn sé gur fearr leis na daoine Bealarúis. Mar sin, déanfaidh mé Bealarúisis den teanga. Panu Petteri Höglund 20:58, 7 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)


Plé:Teangacha Ceilteacha

Táim cinnte go bhfuil 6 theanga Cheilteach fós beo: Gaeilge, Manainnis, Gaeilge na hAlban, Briotáinis, Coirnis, agus Breatnais.  Tá a fhios agam gur cailleadh Manainnis agus Coirnis tamaill ó shin, ach tá athbheochan tarluithe leo, agus sílim gur chóir iad a chomhaireamh chomh maith.  Conor O Bradaigh 21:46, 17 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

Tá Manainnis agus Coirnis cosúil le zombies nó vaimpírí, is "undead languages" iad... ;-) Angr (plé with me) 07:06, 18 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

:Tá an ceart ag an mbeirt agaibh, agus ar ndóigh, caithfidh mé ceist na dteangacha beo a phlé níos mionchruinne fós ar an leathanach seo. Tá an ceithre theanga sin beo gan aon dabht nó déidearbhadh, ach is ceist chasta í beocht na Manainnise, nó cé go raibh Maddrell ar an gcainteoir deireanach dúchais a d'fhoghlaim an teanga óna thuismitheoirí, tá cainteoirí inniu féin a fuair an teanga go nádúrtha ó Dhaideó agus ó Mhamó, agus is féidir a rá gur cainteoirí dúchais iad siúd, ar bhealach. Tar éis an tsaoil, fuair mé féin mo chuid Fionlainnise ó Dhaideó agus ó Mhamó thar aon duine eile, ach is ar éigean is féidir le haon duine a rá nach cainteoir dúchais Fionlainnise mé ;)
Ach maidir leis an gCoirnis, is follasach go ndeachaigh sí in éag mar theanga phobail i ndeireadh na hochtú haoise déag. Scéal eile ar ndóigh, an féidir "teanga mharbh" a thabhairt uirthi a thuilleadh anois, agus díograiseoirí teanga ag tabhairt suas a gcuid clainne leis an gCoirnis mar theanga dhúchais. Tá an ceart ag Angr - is teanga "neamh-mharbh" í - agus ní mór an cheist seo a phlé níos cruinne ar an leathanach féin. Panu Petteri Höglund 07:24, 18 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

Gow my leshtal nagh vel Yernish aym.  Ta taabylyn jeant aym as adsyn taishbyney as cosoylaghey ceaghlaghyn corockle ayns çhengaghyn Celtiagh.  Cha nel Yernish aym as myr shen cha noddym ad y hyndaa (wahll, cha s'aym c'raad lhisin cur ad, as shen bun y chooish), agh foddee dy beagh anaase eu orroo?  T'ad ry-akin ec :gv:Boggaghys (séimhiú), :gv:Stronnaghys (urú), :gv:Ennalaghey (grammeydys), :gv:Creoiaghey as :gv:Ceaghley mestit (cha nel fys aym foast er yn cheaghley mestit ec Yernish).
Sorry, I can't speak Irish.  I've produced tables to illustrate and compare mutations across the Celtic languages.  I can't translate them because I can't speak Irish (or at least, I could translate the tables but I don't know where they should go) but maybe you'd be interested in them?  You can see them at :gv:Boggaghys (séimhiú), :gv:Stronnaghys (urú), :gv:Ennalaghey (grammeydys) ("aspiration" in Welsh and Cornish), :gv:Creoiaghey ("hard mutation" in Cornish and Breton) as :gv:Ceaghley mestit ("mixed mutation", and I don't have the details for the Irish mixed mutation yet).
-- Shimmin Beg 17:44, 23 Iúil 2009 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:Diamond~gawiki

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Plé:Eaglais Chaitliceach Rómhánach

"An Eaglais a bunaíodh le Íosa Críost nuair a thug sé eochair na bhFlaithise do Naomh Peadar." - rubbish! The Peter claim to the papacy is the church's own propaganda, and makes this sentence POV!
*Dúirt Íosa chuig Peadar "ar an cloch seo tógaim m'eaglaise"
má glacann tú leis na gaspai glacann tú leis gur bhunaigh Íosa an Eaglais Chaitliceach, tríd Naomh Peadar agus ar aigheadh tríd na Pápa eile,  pé scéal é sin a chreideann Caitlicigh agus ba cheart go mbeidh sé luaite san alt.
Freisin má tá sé scríofa sa vicipéid Béarla
"The Church traces its institution to Jesus and the Twelve Apostles, in particular Saint Peter, the leader of the Apostles, who is regarded as the first Pope"
ait a bhfuil na halt scrudaithe go dian faoi POV, ní feicaim aon fadhb leis anseo

Féach ar Plé:Caitliceachas maidir leis an teimpléad seo. -- An Piscín 20:43, 20 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)


Plé:Minsc

Tá dhá chineál Bealarúisise ann, Narkomauka agus Tarashkievica. Minsk a thugann Narkomauka ar an gcathair, ach is é Miensk an leagan atá ag lucht Tarashkievica. Cé acu a roghnaímid? Panu Petteri Höglund 09:24, 21 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

B'fhéidir go mbeadh Cearnóg Bhua nó Cearnóg an Bhua níos fearr? --Antóin 18:08, 31 Bealtaine 2009 (UTC)

:The whole f***ing thing must be rewritten, such a God-awful parody of Irish. Panu Petteri Höglund 19:42, 3 Iúil 2009 (UTC)

::There's absolutely no call for that sort of language/abuse. Whoever wrote it was obviously just trying. Not everyone can be expected to be of your high level of linguistics skills, Panu. Try not to take other's lack of language skills as a personal insult to yourself, as you do so often seem to do. If you have a problem with an article, then add the  tag, or fix it yourself. Don't just explode. Not everyone likes listening to people ranting and raving - we get enough of them these days on radio and television. --MacTire02 19:50, 3 Iúil 2009 (UTC)


Plé:Plútón (abhacphláinéad)

Is cosúil nach pláinéad é Plútón a thuilleadh, ach "Dwarf Planet" as Béarla.  An bhfuil tuairimí ag éinne maidir leis an nGaeilge ar chóir cur air?  Agus an mbeidh athrú sa teidil freisin?  Conor O Bradaigh 16:04, 24 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

'Abhacphláinéad' an Ghaeilge ar 'dwarf planet', is dócha (féach ar 'abhacréaltra' [dwarf galaxy] sa bhFoclóir Réalteolaíochta, mar shampla). Athainmneoidh mé an leathanach mar sin. --Gabriel Beecham 19:38, 24 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

Téacs ón dara alt faoi Pluto, le cumaisc:

Pluto  --D'ainm 134340 Pluto sa chatalóg i' Lár na míonphláinéad' ,sé an dara abhac-phláinéad is mó sa  chóras ghrianda. Tá fithis idir 29 and 49 AR (Aonaid Réalteolaíochta) ón ghrian aige agus b'é an céad oibiacht sa Chrios Chuipear bheith le fionnadh. Le gar agus  a chúigiú de mhais na gealaigh déantar Pluto go mór de charraig agus oighear.  Tá fithis áisteach aige a bhfuil claonta go mór i gcomparáid leis na pláinéid agus tagann sé níos goire dón ghrian ná Néiptiún ó ham go ham. Glactar le Pluto agus a chompánach Charon mar Chóras Dénártha de bharr a méid le bheith beagnach ionann le chéile acu. Tá Pluto níos lú na a lán saitleoga sa chóras ghrianda. Tá dhá saitleoga an bheag ag timpeallú Pluto mar atá Niocs agus Hiodra (Nix agus Hydra sa Bhéarla) a fionnadh sa bhliain 2005. Óna fhionnadh le Clyde Tombaugh sa bhliain 1930 glacadh le Pluto mar an naoú pláinéad sa chóras ghrianda.  Go déanach sa Fhichiú céad agus go luath sa Fichiú céad a haon fionnadh a lán réadanna crandaí cosúil leis i bhfád amach ar imeall an chórais ghrianda agus bhí ceann acu siúd Eris níos mó ná Pluto. I mí Lunasa 2006 athainmníodh Pluto ina 'chrandphláinéad' (abhac) leis an Aontacht Idirnáisiúnta Réalteolaithe (AIR)agus mar an gcéanna Ceres agus Eris chomh maith leis. Tar éis seo cuireadh Pluto i liosta na mionphláinéid agus tugadh an uimhir 134340.[4] dó.


Plé úsáideora:Joe byrne

A Joe,
Chonac an teachtaireacht san a d'fhágais agam. Tá's agam go bhfuil leagan Gaelainne de Wikipedia ar fáil. Is cuimhin liom go bhféachas le roinnt dearúdaí gramadaí agus litrithe a cheartú ar an leathanach fáilte anuiridh ach gur athraíodh thar n-ais aríst iad. Is annamh a bhíonn aga agam ar aon ní a dhéanamh ar Wikipedia ach casfaidh mé le halt a scríobh tráth éigint, ceart go leor.
Go raibh maith agat agus Dia leat,
An Muimhneach Machnamhach

A Sheosaimh, a chara: Tá an ceart agat go hiomlán, ach is é an scéal atá ann go bhfuilimid in anás daoine a bheadh ina gcainteoirí agus ina nGaeilgeoirí maithe '''agus''' iad eolach ar chúrsaí na ríomhairí san am céanna. Níl mórán maithe ionam féin leis na ríomhairí, ach is Gaeilgeoir measartha maith mé féin, agus tá mé ag déanamh mo dhichill mar is féidir liom. Tuigim do chás má tá tú míshásta leis an gcuma atá ar an Vicipéid áirithe seo, ach is é an t-aon leigheas amháin atá ann ná go rachaidh tú ar lorg daoine a bheadh fonnmhar ''agus'' ábalta na rudaí nach bhfuil chun do shástachta a cheartú, is é sin, mura bhfuil tú féin sásta an obair a dhéanamh. Ós rud é nach bhfuil mé féin lonnaithe in Éirinn, ní féidir liom é sin a dhéanamh. Má tá aithne agat ar dhaoine a d'fhéadfadh cuidiú linn, déan do chion agus earcaigh iad. Tá mé suite siúráilte go mbeidh gach duine breá sásta soicheallach. [[Úsáideoir:Panu Petteri Höglund|Panu Petteri Höglund]] 17:15, 16 Nollaig 2006 (UTC)

Dia duits!! Tá mé Miss Bono! Tá Máire ina cónaí san Cuba.. An bhfuil anybody who can welcome me? I need a favour from anyone who can speak both Irish and English. Please reply here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User talk:Miss Bono... Thanks very much! Miss Bono (talk) 19:11, 2 Iúil 2013 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:Anois

Anna anteeksi, vaihda Paaministeri Australian Pasaministeri, Anois
Wow, sä puhut hyvää suomea, Anois! Kiitos paljon. - --An Tóin Mór 15:53, 25 Lúnasa 2006 (UTC)

Haigh Anois. Cruthaigh tú a lán ailt cheana féin (Meán Fómhair?) faoi bailte i New South Wales. Tá Cabonne ina measc. An bhfuil tú cinte gur "baile" í Cabonne? (Ar an Wikipedia (Béarla) thuairiscithe í mar "Shire": :en:Cabonne Shire...) Guliolopez 13:29, 4 Eanáir 2007 (UTC)

Cabonne agus bailte eile i New South Wales


Tá an -e- ansin: Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum.
Panu Petteri Höglund 23:26, 14 Meán Fómhair 2006 (UTC)

Cad mear gheall ar "Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum (Clú Caillte Chaitríona Blum)" mar theideal?Éóg1916 15:12, 3 Meitheamh 2009 (UTC)

Haigh, ceist agam oraibh mar gheall ar an fhotheideal:
Wie Gewalt entstehen und wohin sie führen kann.
(Béarla: How violence develops and where it can lead.)
Tá tábhacht ar leith ag baint leis, dar leis an údar féin (ref: Zehn Jahre Später, iarfhocal atá ar fáil sna heagráin níos úire), mar sin de, ba mhaith liom é a léiriú ar an leathanach. Faraor, níl aistriúchán oifigiúil ar fáil, dar ndóigh.
Tá moladh amháin agamsa:
Cad as a dtagann foréigean, is na torthaí a tharraingíonn sé.
Tcítear domh nach bhfuil mórán snasa air mar theideal, is ar a bharr sin nach léiríonn sé an focal "kann" i gceart. Moladh ar bith agaibh? --Ancatmara 22:28, 17 Bealtaine 2011 (UTC)

https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plé:Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum


Plé úsáideora:85.31.137.11

Tá fáilte romhat sa Vicipéid. Iarraimis do gach aon duine cuidiú dearfach a thabhairt don chiclipéid seo . Féach ar an leathanach fáilte más mian leat a thuilleadh a fhoghlaim faoin saghas cuidithe sin. Meastar go bhfuil athruithe neamhdhearfacha ar chomhthrom le loitiméireacht, áfach; má leanann tú ar aghaidh sa stíl seo b'fhéidir go gcoscfar tú ón eagarthóireacht gan aon fhógra eile. Cuir deireadh leis más é do thoil é, agus déan machnamh ar saothair a rinne daoine eile a fheabhsú. Go raibh maith agat.
----
 Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving articles rather than contributing nonsense. Thanks.
Guliolopez 17:44, 9 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC)

Edits to Alexander Kerensky, Alexander Ulyanov and Simbirsk

Please - enough of the vandalism! - Alison ❤ 09:37, 6 Márta 2008 (UTC)

This is the last warning that this IP will receive for disruptive editing. If it is used to vandalise again, it will be blocked from editing. Guliolopez 11:50, 16 Meán Fómhair 2008 (UTC)

This is the only warning this IP address will receive for vandalism. Any further, and the IP will be blocked for an extended period. Guliolopez 13:09, 22 Meán Fómhair 2009 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:218.186.9.6

Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content, as you did to Vicipéid. It is considered vandalism. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Guliolopez 13:47, 11 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC)


Plé:Fernão de Magalhães

Ainm Béarla amháin is ea é Magellan. Nár chóir dúinn an leagan Portaingéilise a úsáid sa Ghaeilge? Panu Petteri Höglund 21:05, 18 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, ceapaim go bhfuil an leagan Portaingéilise, Fernão de Magalhães, beagáinín deacair a fhuaimniú do dhuine gan Portaingéilis, a Phanu. Ag an am céanna aontaím leat gur leagan Béarla atá againn agus go bhfuil sé níos 'deise' an bunleagan nó leagan Gaeilge a úsáid nuair is féidir. Táim tar éis súil a chaitheamh ar na teangacha eile agus tá go leor acu lena leagan féin den ainm. é sin ráite, baineann cuid acu úsáid as an leagan Portaingéilise (Bascais, mar shampla). Athraigh é go Portaingéilis, i mo thuairimse... (Daithimac 22:44, 18 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC))

(My apologies for this message being in English) The vandal General Tojo is spamming Wikipedia by removing references and adding his books as the only reference. The books are nothing more than reprints of out of copyright sources, with spelling errors from the title page on forward (For example it is James McClymont, not MacClymont, and Gaspar Correia, not Correa, and Charles Edwards Lester, not Charles Lester Edwards). This article is one of his targets, please watch for removal of valid references and adding of the spam references by new users or IP's. The books spammed so far are:
* Magellan (2008) by Francis Guillemard (died 1933), Antonio Pigafetta (died 1534), Francisco Albo (contemporary of Magellan), Gaspar Correa (contemporary of Magellan), Keith Bridgeman (Editor) and Tahira Arsham (Editor); ISBN 978-1906421007
* Amerigo Vespucci (2009) by Charles Lester Edwards (died 1890), Amerigo Vespucci (died 1512), Keith Bridgeman (Editor) and Tahira Arsham (Editor); ISBN 978-1906421021
* Pedro Cabral (2009) by James Roxburgh MacClymont (out of copyright author), William Brooks Greenlee (edited around 1939), Pero Vaz de Caminha (died 1500), Keith Bridgeman (Editor), and Tahira Arsham (Editor);ISBN 978-1906421014
Please watch for removal of valid references and replacement with spam, and revert accordingly. As for the identity of the spammer and vandal General Tojo:
*Keith Bridgeman, London is the editor of all the books spammed by General Tojo
*Keith Bridgeman, London is the owner of the publishing house publishing the books spammed by General Tojo
*Keith Bridgeman, London is the owner of some Parkinson's disease patents spammed by General Tojo on Wikipedia for quite a few years now
*Keith Bridgeman, London is also the owner of the web page advertising both the Parkinson stuff and the books spammed by General Tojo.
For details see :en:Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of General Tojo -- Chris 73 11:27, 3. Okt. 2009 (CEST)


Plé úsáideora:Thorin III~gawiki

Dia duit!
(in this discussion, plé, please... speak english béarla, i don't speak a lot of Irish, Gaelige)

ciao parli il gaelico irlandese?? cioè sai scrivere in questa lingua di ga.wiki?? --*Surdus*VII 17:26, 30 Bealtaine 2014 (UTC)

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Plé úsáideora:137.132.3.12

Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content, as you did to Adolf Hitler. It is considered vandalism. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Guliolopez 10:12, 23 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank pages, as you did to An Danmhairg, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Guliolopez 20:26, 27 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:Seabhac~gawiki

Déan idirdhealán ("disambiguation page") le Luas (tram) a aithint thar Luas (fisic), le do thoil. Panu Petteri Höglund 06:46, 30 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC)

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Haigh, a Seabhac~gawiki, agus tá fáilte romhat ar ais chuig an Vicipéid! Go raibh maith agat as an alt Epimetheus a chruthú ar Vicipéid. (D'athraigh mé é beagán len é a chur in oiriúint do stíl na Vicipéide.) Tá súil agam go mbainfidh tú taitneamh as do chuid ama anseo. Thig leat dul go dtí an Halla Baile chun caint leis na Vicipéideoirí eile (más mian leat é sin a dhéanamh), nó go dtí an Lárionad Comhphobail chun breathnú ar na heachtraí Vicipéide is déanaí. Tá breis eolais fóinteach inár reamhrá, freisin.

Más é do thoil é, sínigh do chuid theachtaireachtaí ar leathanaigh phlé le ceithre thilde a chlóscríobh; ciallaíonn sé sin go hionsáfar d'ainm úsáideora agus an dáta go huathoibríoch. Má tá cabhair ag teastail uait, féach ar Vicipéid:Cabhair, nó cuir ceist ormsa nó ar na heagarthóirí eile ar ár leathanaigh phlé.
Uair amháin eile, fáilte romhat!  SeoMac (talk) 15:45, 7 Márta 2016 (UTC)

Haigh! GRMA as an alt faoi Voyager. Ba chóir "Voyager" a úsáid seachas "Turasóir" mar níl an leagan Gaeilge coitianta. Agus caithfidh an t-alt a bheith mar a chuir tú ar bun é sa chéad uair, is é sin gan an rémhír "Vicipéid". Úsáidtear an spás sin i gcomhair ábhar a bhaineann le tionscadal na Vicipéide, ní le haghaidh gnáth-ailt. SeoMac (talk) 17:23, 9 Márta 2016 (UTC)

An-jab leis na hailt faoi réadanna sa Ghrianchórais. Chuir mé nascanna ar bun leis na vicipéidí eile i gcás 2010 KZ39 agus 2007 UK126.
Cuirtear nascanna ann ag dul isteach faoi Languages nó 'I dteangacha eile' agus ag déanamh clic ar 'edit links'. Ansin is féidir 'en', 'fr', 'es' etc. a chur isteach sa bhosca thuas agus ansin ainm an ailt sa bhosca thíos (sa teanga eile, cinnte, ach bíonn a leithéid agus 2010 KZ39 mar i gcéanna in achan teanga). (Ní gá é a dhéanamh tríd an Bhéarla má tá alt i dteanga eile ann :-) Tá súil agam go mbeidh an t-eolas seo úsáideach duit.   SeoMac (talk) 18:13, 15 Márta 2016 (UTC)

Haigh! Bhí orm an t-alt a chruthaigh tú inniu (Seabhac-gawiki) a scriosadh. Ciclipéid atá anseo againn agus níl ábhar fút féin—fiú ábhar faoi do chuid oibre ar son na Gaeilge—oiriúnach mar alt. Caithfidh muid a bheith cúramach gan mórán ábhair den chineál sin a chur suas fiú ar ár leathanaigh úsáideora.  SeoMac (plé) 22:57, 19 Lúnasa 2017 (UTC)


Plé:Ficheall

Nach ficheall an tuiseal ainmneach? Nár cheart duit ainm an ailt a athrú ar ais arís? (Daithimac 17:31, 30 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC))
Is é "ficheall" an tuiseal ainmníoch, a Dháithimac, agus d'athraigh mise ainm an ailt ar ais. Réitigh mé an ghramadach freisin, ar mo sheacht ndicheall is fiche dom. Tá súil agam nach mbeidh ár gcara ró-mhíshásta leis. Panu Petteri Höglund 23:57, 30 Deireadh Fómhair 2006 (UTC)
Táim an-sásta!

If Ficheall is Irish for Chess. What is Fidchell in Irish? SunCreator 22:03, 3 Mí na Samhna 2009 (UTC)

Em. Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the answer to your question in the article you link? "Fidchell" is the Irish name for Fidchell - It's an Irish word. And the article you ref states that the name (fidchell) "evolved into ficheall, the Irish word for chess." .... ? Guliolopez 22:34, 3 Mí na Samhna 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reply. So Ficheall is Irish for Chess, and Fidchell is the similiar Celtic game currently without an article. SunCreator 00:48, 4 Mí na Samhna 2009 (UTC)

::Correct. Guliolopez 13:37, 4 Mí na Samhna 2009 (UTC)

B'féidir go bhfuil suim agaibh i stair na fichille atá scríobhta anseo: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/95220 . Scolairebocht 07:14, 30 Mí na Nollag 2009 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:64.251.57.9

Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Henry Moseley. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Guliolopez 19:13, 3 Samhain 2006 (UTC)


Plé Vicipéide:Cuardach

An Lionra Soisialta - http://anlionra.com
Wiki An Lionra Soisialta - http://wiki.anlionra.com
Logo An Lionra Soisialta - http://anlionra.com/images/lionralogo.gif

San alt Vicipéide: Cuardach, níl ach dul síos ar an gclluiche ríomhaire The Sims 2. Cén fáth??? Ar an lch plé - anseo - tá naisc don Líonra Soisialta, pé rud atá i gceist le sin!!
Ba chóir go mbéach leathanaigh cabhair agus system pages cosúil le seo ag obair i gceart ach don bhfórmhór níl tada iontu nó tá seafóid iontu. Ceard tá gach duine ag déanamh! Tá an Vicipéid seo ina raic.
Déan plé faoi seo le bhúr thoill Joe Byrne - Plé - dréachtaí - :en: - :fr: 15:43, 16 Nollaig 2006 (UTC)

Seafóid - nach bhfuil éinne ag coimead súil ar faic anseo!!??


Plé úsáideora:Olkalw~gawiki

Dealraíonn sé gur sabaitéir é an t-úsáideoir áirithe seo. Ar mhiste le haon duine de na riarthóirí cosc a chur leis?
This guy seems to be a troll. Is there anybody around with administrator's rights to kick him out? Panu Petteri Höglund 20:11, 4 Samhain 2006 (UTC)

Suck my dick, mwahahahahahahaha! --Olkalw 19:57, 6 Samhain 2006 (UTC)

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Plé úsáideora:218.186.8.13

Please take care when editing to ensure you do not blank or otherwise replace article content completely, as you did to Urjala and Charles Darwin. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Guliolopez 14:47, 14 Samhain 2006 (UTC)

Blanking and overwrites on [[Urjala]] and [[Charles Darwin]]


Plé úsáideora:84.203.179.99

Haigh, a úsáideoir 84.203.179.99, agus tá fáilte romhat go Vicipéid. Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Go raibh maith agat. Guliolopez 20:11, 21 Samhain 2006 (UTC)


Plé:Mícheál Seosamh Ó Rathaille

Tá athscríobh iomlán de dhíth ar chúiseanna gramadaí. Déanfaidh mé sin chomh luath agus is féidir. Panu Petteri Höglund 20:50, 25 Samhain 2006 (UTC)

"nó The O'Rahilly ("An Rathailleach")"
Déarfainn gurb é The O'Rahilly as Béarla = Ó Rathaille as Gaeilge agus gurb é O'Rahilly as Béarla = An Rathailleach as Gaeilge.
Mar sin: "The O'Rahilly ("Ó Rathaille")" a bheadh ceart (mar atá sé le léamh ar an bplaic cuimhneacháin i mBéal Átha Longfoirt) -- MacCambridge (plé) 15:05, 13 Iúil 2017 (UTC)

Déarfainn sin fós. D'athrigh mé é. ;) --MacCambridge (plé) 12:38, 13 Márta 2024 (UTC)

https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plé:Mícheál Seosamh Ó Rathaille


Plé:An Vicipéid

Duine a scríobhann "níos ceart" in áit "níos cirte", "an ainm" in áit "an t-ainm", "bíodh" in áit "bheadh", agus "an Bhficipéid" in áit nach bhfuil an t-urú ceart (gan aon trácht a dhéanamh air gurb é "bhF" agus ní "Bhf" an dóigh cheart leis an F uraithe a litriú nuair atá an cás uachtair i gceist), is léir nach bhfuil sé i dtaithí litríocht na Gaeilge agus nach bhfuil sé i dteideal breithiúnas ar bith a thabhairt ar ár gcuid Gaeilge. Déarfainn gur troll é amach is amach.
A Roibeard (sin é an litriú ceart), má theastaíonn uait rud éigin fónta a dhéanamh ar mhaith leis an Vicipéid (sea, an Vicipéid), léigh [ na leabhair seo] as Gaeilge, mar a rinne mise, agus beidh an-Ghaeilge agat agus breithiúnas ar cad is ceart sa Ghaeilge. Faoi láthair, is fearr duit do ghob a dhúnadh. Níl a fhios agat gramadach cheart na Gaeilge.Panu Petteri Höglund 23:47, 29 Samhain 2006 (UTC)

Aontaím leatsa, ach leis an fhírinne a rá - ní féidir leat a bheith i do léachtóir gramadaí sa chomhthéacs seo, mar níl an ceart ag do phost féin maidir le gramadaí. Mar shampla: ¨Níl a fhios agat gramadach na Gaeilge¨ níl sé sin cruinn. 209.68.73.124 18:34, 14 Nollaig 2022 (UTC)
A Phanu,
Níl an alt sin cóir ar aon bhith. Tá an cheart ag Robeárd - níl aon V sa Ghaeilge. Is Bearlachas í an V. B'fheider nach bhfuil an gramadach nó an litriú iontach, ach tá suim ag Robeárd agus mise sa teanga. Is cuma muna bhfuil an urú nó an shéimú san áit ceart. Ba choir duin Gaeilge ceart a mhúinean - gan J,K,Q,V,W,X,Y nó Z. Agus má tá boitúin san alt, cuir ceart é - is é sin an rud iontach sa Bhicipéid. Má bhfuil grá agat don Gaeilge, taibhairfeadh tú caibhir do daoine in áit síorchnádán a thaibhairt doibh.
Is mise,
Cian

Cian (agus Robeárd) Is dócha go d'fhéadfadh sé bheith "níos-cairdiúil" faoi, ach tá an cheart ag Panú anseo.

(Gabh mo leithscéal anois, ach ba chóir dom an comhrá seo a críochnú as béarla - de bharr na soiléireachta)

While the use of "V" in Irish is rare, it is used. Though mainly for "loanwords".

Take "vóta" (vote), "veidhlín" (violin), "víoras" (virus) , and (as an example) more than a few geological terms.

As a living language (IE: not something consigned to a museum of "set in stone" linguistics), Irish adopts words from other languages. As does English, German, Finnish and every other language that is used in the real world.

In the process of adopting those words, we need to find ways to express them.

Nobody is suggesting that you can do whatever you want in achieving this, but there is an accepted standard for using "V" in adopted words. (Where - frankly - "bh" would be an awkwardly contrived construct).

There was thought put in to the naming of the Wikipedia in Irish, and it was not done lightly. To help with the history/thinking, you may wish to have a quick look at this discourse.

Beyond that - and I think this is one of the reasons Panu reacted so strongly - what you are suggesting is not that we just rename the Vicipéid article. But that we rename THE ENTIRE Irish language Wikipedia.

While your points on "no V in Irish" would be valid in a closed system, the system is not closed, and - in particular in light of the extensive impact - I don't think it's valid to change the name based on the "no V" argument.

( FYI - The "no V/K/J/etc in Irish" debate is an interesting one. And this is not the first time it's taken place. For example, if you think there is also no "k" or "y" in Irish, you may also be interested in this discourse. And yes - I know this debate suggests there is no "v", but - to be clear - the discussion between Msrs "Ó Cuív" (yes - "Ó Cuív") and O'Shea is about the letters in the old irish alphabet. Not in newly adopted words.)

(Also - just a note on wiki-etiquette. This is not the Irish Times. Instead of signing posts with "is mise", consider signing with "~~~~" :)

Le meas Guliolopez 10:35, 14 Bealtaine 2007 (UTC)

Rinne mé athscríobh ar an alt seo mar shíl mé go raibh gá forbairt a dhéanamh ar roinnt de na hábhair a bhí pléite san alt a bhí ann agus bhí sé deacair é seo a dhéanamh gan athscríobh iomlán. Nmacu 11:03, 6 Iúil 2007 (UTC)

Mar níl aon "V" i nGaedhilge, agus dúirt éinne go raibh Bh "contrived", do bhíos ag smaoineamh ar An Bhiocaipéid nó rúd mar sin. Tá chumas an-neamh"nadúrtha" (gábh an Bearlachas) ar "An Bhicipéid" fiú...ach pé scéal é, is dóigh liom go bhfuil sé in am an Vicipéid a chur as an fhuinneog!!!

An é sin an fhirinne, anois? Cad faoi na leathanigh seo? :) - Alison ❤ 22:55, 1 Deireadh Fómhair 2007 (UTC) (tsk, tsk)

Aontaímse, is focail neamhGhaelach é ¨vicipéid¨ le litir neamhGhaelach. Molaim é a athrú go hainm atá ciall aige sa Ghaeilge 98.3.103.238 01:37, 10 Nollaig 2022 (UTC)

:Ach fós PLEASE ná déan Bhiocaipéid air sin ridiculous freisin dar liomsa 209.68.73.124 18:26, 14 Nollaig 2022 (UTC)

"Béarlachas" athá 'san áit seo ar fad. Maiste, "topaic." Nach "Vicipéid" ??? thá san ag dul thar teorainn gan amhras! nínim me de'n tuairim gur cheart "bhiocaipéid" ná a leithéidí a chuir in a áit, nach "Vicipéid???" thá san ag ídiughadh agus ag déineamh magadh de'n nGaoluinn, ná tuigeann sibh? Nach má's "Vicipéid" a nglaodhfaí air, b'fhéidir go ndeimhinneóchadh san mo thuairim-se gur teangthachaibh dheifreamhaile athá 'sa nGaedhealaing úir agus i bhfíor-Ghaedhealaing ghlain, dteanga fhíor-dhúthchas na talmhan athá éagtha.
Just say "Wikipedia as Gaeilg" would you?  98.3.103.238 13:27, 15 Deireadh Fómhair 2023 (UTC)
You know what?? Irish should NOT be used for writing Wikipedia articles (or for coding).

Táimid tagtha go croí na ceiste anois - teastaíonn ón duine seo nach mbeadh Vicipéid na Gaeilge ann ar chor bith! Seafóid de chineál nach bhfacthas le tamall! Eomurchadha (plé) 11:07, 23 Deireadh Fómhair 2023 (UTC)

:Dé chúis go dtagraimíd do'n nGaoluinn mar "theanga ár sinnsir" agus a leithéid nuair ná fuilimíd 'ghá labhairt mar is ceart? Tabhair cuaird ar shean-duine éigin 'sa nGaedhealthacht agus chídhfeá a thuigfeadh sé rumhór na sgríbhinní annseo Bheinn lánshásta leis an nGaoluinn a bheith ar an Internet dá mbeadh sí sgríobhtha agus labhartha i slí chruinn, ná féadfaimís focail Béarla a chur in áit na bhfocail chumtha i nGaoluinn a shimplídheacht. Is dócha ná fuil aon chiall lem' aragóint anois nach nín 'sa teanga so nach teanga bhréige ná h-aithneóchainn mara mbeadh taithíghe agam uirre. Thá an abairt leanamhanach ró dheachair le n-a rádh i nGaoluinn (thá sé dubhdhéanta): you may argue that all languages develop so why shouldnt Irish but this new developments are due to external factors and artificial

:Nínim me ag iarraidh túis a chuir le n-aragóint achrannach maidir le cúrsaidhe na teangan, nach dh'admhuigheá go nglaodhais madán orm agus dá shon san caithfidh mé mo thuairm a léiriughadh/mhíniughadh. 98.3.103.238 21:11, 23 Deireadh Fómhair 2023 (UTC)

Éifeacht na gobbledegaedhilgeoireachta agus na duibhlinneoireachta ar chruinneas na teanga ar an áit seo

Núíosach atá ionam. Cén t-ainm atá ar an gciclipéid seo? Tuigim go n-úsáidtear 'Vicipéid na Gaeilge' le tagairt a dhéanamh don leagan Gaeilge, ach cén t-ainm is fearr a thabhairt ar an suíomh go ginearálta? Feictear dom go mbíonn daoine anonn is anall idir 'Vicipéid' agus 'an Vicipéid'. Cé acu is fearr a úsáid? Tuairimí? – Lyonskvn (plé) 21:11, 31 Nollaig 2023 (UTC)

Ná bac leis seo. Tá an cás réitithe anois againn (féach anseo). – Lyonskvn (plé) 08:58, 3 Eanáir 2024 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:213.42.21.77

Haigh, a úsáideoir 213.42.21.77, agus tá fáilte romhat go Vicipéid. Please stop blanking content on Wikipedia, as you have done to Brabhsálaí Gréasáin on several occasions. Blanking content is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you would like to comment on the content of a particular article, please use the relevant Talk pages. If you continue to blank content, you may be blocked from editing. Go raibh maith agat. Guliolopez 12:05, 5 Nollaig 2006 (UTC)

Continued edits to "Brabhsálaí Gréasáin"


Plé úsáideora:158.91.203.225

Haigh, a úsáideoir 158.91.203.225, agus tá fáilte romhat go Vicipéid.
Hello user 158.91.203.225, and welcome to the Irish Language Wikipedia. Your addition of the Wikitable representing the number of Spanish speakers by country is appreciated. However, per comments left on the relevant talk page (Plé:Spáinnis), this Wikipedia is for Irish Language content. English language content is therefore not appropriate. Please therefore do NOT revert the table (again) to English language content. If there is specific data from the table which is missing or incorrect, please adjust the specific table row or content which is incorrect; Don't overwrite the entire table! If you are unsure how to add the data independently, or can't do so using the Irish language, please leave a note on the relevant talk page, and someone else will do so. Thanks and regards Guliolopez 12:59, 7 Nollaig 2006 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:149.157.1.180

Tá fáilte romhat sa Vicipéid. Iarraimis do gach aon duine cuidiú dearfach a thabhairt don chiclipéid seo. Féach ar an leathanach fáilte más mian leat a thuilleadh a fhoghlaim faoin saghas cuidithe sin. Meastar go bhfuil athruithe neamhdhearfacha ar chomhthrom le loitiméireacht, áfach; má leanann tú ar aghaidh sa stíl seo (Leanne Walsh) b'fhéidir go gcoscfar tú ón eagarthóireacht gan aon fhógra eile. Cuir deireadh leis más é do thoil é, agus déan machnamh ar saothair a rinne daoine eile a fheabhsú in áit iad a scrios. Go raibh maith agat.
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Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive and hoax edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue to create hoax pages (like Leanne Walsh) you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Your edit has been removed. In future, please consider improving the Vicipéid rather than engaging in unhelpful edits.

Guliolopez 17:08, 16 Eanáir 2007 (UTC)


Plé úsáideora:83.70.148.110

Haigh, a úsáideoir 83.70.148.110, agus tá fáilte romhat go Vicipéid. Féach ar an leathanach fáilte más mian leat a thuilleadh a fhoghlaim faoin saghas cuidithe sin. If you would like to experiment with "test edits", please use the Sandbox (Vicipéid:Clár dubh). Guliolopez 12:02, 18 Eanáir 2007 (UTC)

Tá fáilte romhat sa Vicipéid. Iarraimis do gach aon duine cuidiú dearfach a thabhairt don chiclipéid seo . Féach ar an leathanach fáilte más mian leat a thuilleadh a fhoghlaim faoin saghas cuidithe sin. Meastar go bhfuil athruithe neamhdhearfacha ar chomhthrom le loitiméireacht, áfach; má leanann tú ar aghaidh sa stíl seo b'fhéidir go gcoscfar tú ón eagarthóireacht gan aon fhógra eile. Cuir deireadh leis más é do thoil é, agus déan machnamh ar saothair a rinne daoine eile a fheabhsú in áit iad a scrios. Go raibh maith agat.
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Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. Guliolopez 12:51, 5 Bealtaine 2009 (UTC)


Plé teimpléid:Glanadh

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{{Glanadh}}
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{{Glanadh|beag=fíor}}      nó {{Glanadh|beag="rud ar bith"}}

* :Teimpléad:Glanadh-mar


Plé:Tíreolaíocht

Ba cheart go mbeadh roinnt ábhair trí Ghaeilge ar an suíomh seo ach ní mhór dul thríd blackboard na hOllscoile.
[Roinn na Tíreolaíochta]


Plé úsáideora:88.88.222.212

Tá fáilte romhat sa Vicipéid. Iarraimis do gach aon duine cuidiú dearfach a thabhairt don chiclipéid seo . Féach ar an leathanach fáilte más mian leat a thuilleadh a fhoghlaim faoin saghas cuidithe sin. Meastar go bhfuil athruithe neamhdhearfacha ar chomhthrom le loitiméireacht, áfach; má leanann tú ar aghaidh sa stíl seo b'fhéidir go gcoscfar tú ón eagarthóireacht gan aon fhógra eile. Cuir deireadh leis más é do thoil é, agus déan machnamh ar saothair a rinne daoine eile a fheabhsú in áit iad a scrios. Go raibh maith agat.
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Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. Guliolopez 19:22, 29 Eanáir 2007 (UTC)


Plé:Bunachar sonraí

Tá an abairt "Is feidhmchlár é bunachar sonraí a úsáidtear chun sonraí a stóráil is a aisghabháil ar chóras ríomhaireachta." athraithe agam mar go bhfuil sé míchruinn - ní feidhmchlár é an bunachar sonraí; is feidhmchlár é an Córas Bainistíochta Bunachair Shonraí (CBBS - DBMS). Nmacu 20:43, 29 Eanáir 2007 (UTC)


Plé:Gréasán Domhanda

Molaim go ndéanfaí atreorú ar "An Gréasán Domhanda" go dtí "Gréasán Domhanda"
Aon tuairimí? Nmacu 21:37, 29 Eanáir 2007 (UTC)


Plé:Láithreán Gréasáin

Tá atreorú déanta agam ó "suíomh Idirlín" agus "suíomh gréasáin" go dtí an leathanach seo. Sílim go bhféadfaí "suíomh" nó "láithreán" a úsáid go sásúil ach níl an téarma "Idirlíon" cruinn i ndiaidh ceachtar acu. Go pearsanta, is fearr liom láithreán ach is rud suibiachtúil é sin. Nmacu 13:42, 30 Eanáir 2007 (UTC)
*Chuir mé mórlitir ar an bhfocal "Gréasáin" sa teideal; ceapaim go bhfuil sé níos fearr é a thráchtáil mar ainm dílis ná mar ghnáthainmfhocal. --Gabriel Beecham 21:40, 5 Aibreán 2007 (UTC)


Plé:Cogadh Saoirse na hAilgéire

bhí mé ag aistriú an achoimre sa cheann Béarla (go raibh maith agata as ocht na ceartúcháin toisc nach bhfuil mo chuid ghaeilge maith go leoir) pé scéal é ní raibh an t-am agam é a chríochnú....
--83.35.43.186 20:24, 30 Eanáir 2007 (UTC)

Tá fáilte romhat, a uimhir IP ;-) (Daithimac 19:20, 31 Eanáir 2007 (UTC))

https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plé:Cogadh Saoirse na hAilgéire


Plé úsáideora:CmdrJameson

Haigh CmdrJameson (agus fáilte). Tá cúpla athruithe déanta agat le déanaí le naisceanna idirwiki. Tá iarracht maith déanta agat don cuid is mó, ach - i gcásanna - chuir tú naisc i cúpla ailt nach bhfuil ceangailthe i gceart. The standard is - de gnáth - to add interwikis only to an altlanguage version which corresponds to the same subject. (So, :ga:Bun Abhann Dalla has an interwiki to :en:Cushendall, :ga:N1 links to :en:N1 road, etc.) It is not generally an agreed wikipedia standard to (let's say where no corresponding article exists as béarla) to add an interwiki to a "related" article. (As you did to - mar shampla - Subh Milis). Just something to consider. Go raigh míle agus gabh mo leithscéal as mo chuid "soibealtas". Beir bua! Guliolopez 20:24, 9 Feabhra 2007 (UTC)

Haigh agus go raibh maith agat. Is sampla siumiúl é Subh Milis. Sa Vikipéid Béarla is leathanach athdhíriú é 'Subh Milis', agus téigh sé go 'Séamus Ó Néill'. Cad ba ceart dom a déanamh sa cás sin? Within a wikipedia it's regarded as bad style to link to a redirect, does that apply to interwiki links too?

Sláinte! CmdrJameson 21:19, 9 Feabhra 2007 (UTC)

:Freagartha ar mo leathanach plé... Guliolopez 20:18, 13 Feabhra 2007 (UTC)