Talk:龍劍笙

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207.102.255.36（留言） 2016年4月21日 (四) 21:54 (UTC)
thread_title:  管理员没一个在任的吗?  没人用Twinkle? 

thread_title:  Bgwhite 

message: Hi, Bgwhite,
FYI
John Wayne as well as Bruce Lee Legacy, acting style and influences  are in full display in respective articles.  
Please take into consideration the 45 years of Yam Kim-fai and 55 years of Loong Kin Sang already on stage, some more years to come should Loong Kin Sang, the contemporary tier one top-ranked box-office guarantee, choose to. 
Yam Kim-fai has been a Legend in Cantonese Opera world for close to a century and opened doors for, at least five generations and counting, actresses now to be male leads on stage.  Actresses are still dominating even 25 years after her passing.
Cantonese Opera Film Century Award, 14th Hong Kong Film Awards was an honor awarded to Yam Kim-fai and accepted by Loong Kin Sang on her behalf in 1995.
Google (HK) commemorated the 103th anniversary of Yam Kim-fai's birthday on February 04, 2016 Google Doodle 103rd-birthday Yam Kim-fai Google Doodle shows off 1960's LGBT icon: Cantonese opera legend Yam Kim-fai SCMP updated 04 February, 2016.
Loong Kin Sang is the single successor to her mentor's acting style, a "secret" recipe to success that has never been disclosed beyond the one single room in Yam's former home.  Her move since turning 70 in 2014 is more than the world of Cantonese Opera could ever hoped for.  Those are historically significant performances you removed in such edit.  
Theyear by year tour information I can find in the article of Madonna who was born only in 1958, just two years before Loong Kin Sang first on stage.  For a 55-year veteran performer on stage, Loong Kin Sang has only very few of the huge list of awards and achievements listed.   Such awards/achievements were listed with references as per Wikipedia requests.
While a pop-singer is receipted world wide and Cantonese opera is mostly a Chinese Art form.  I trust the historically significant events listed there are never less important or essential.
"Please help to establish notability by citing..."
[references please]
Revision History of this page Loong Kin Sang
Loong Kin Sang was called a Legend by the Press in 1990 already when she received the award as well as opening door for Cantonese opera tour to Caesars Palace of Las Vegas in 1982.  Your edit removed such historically significant information as well, unfortunately.207.102.255.36 (talk) 18:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: , your English isn't the greatest and there are some severe writing problems with the article.  I can't write in another language, so you are better than I will ever be.   The page that covers the following is WP:WEASEL.  Here are some phrases I removed:
replies: text: : is a famous Cantonese opera performer, known as the legendary Yam Kim Fai's protégée & successor

text: : in particular the vocal style Yam Hong (任腔) and natural but with grace and depth acting style.

text: : She quickly became Yam Kim Fai's disciple, and was treasured by Yam very much

text: : and gained a lot of popularity by acting in various types of Cantonese opera.

text: Only one of these phrases had a reference which was #1.  That reference is to a TV schedule and never mention Loong.  In both John Wayne and Bruce Lee, only once was "legend" mentioned in each article and both were referenced.  In order for the phrases to be included, there must be a reliable reference that mentions Loong was a "legend".  I removed the awards sections as there references were to a blog.  A more reliable reference is needed.   You have much admiration for Loong which is clouding your judgement.  Articles are to be neutral, so write in a neutral tone.  Take a look at some other Chinese opera performers to get an idea of how an article should be.  Performers such as Zhou Xinfang, Ouyang Yuqian  or Kwan Hoi-san.  I am familiar with Peking opera and have seen several performances.  As I don't speak Chinese, what stood out were the costumes and masks.  Too bad Chinese opera and Western opera are in a state of decline for the same reasons.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Bgwhite,
1. Please clarify what request you were referring to in your comment below.
"You know you have been on Wikipedia too long when you start recognizing names... I've come across the ..., plus I understood Chinese opera in a request today. I need to get a life."
2. Your reply below refers.
"I removed the awards sections as there references were to a blog. "
Please explain which blog. the only link is to the official award authority
That is - 任藝笙輝念濃情 IFPI HKG 2015 List of Best Sales Releases, Classical and Operatic Works Recording (Order in Chinese Stroke Counts).
"A more reliable reference is needed." Please suggest one more reliable than the one organization actually gave Loong the award.
3. In order for the phrases to be included, there must be a reliable reference that mentions Loong was a "legend".
According to your quote above, you removed
is a famous Cantonese opera performer, known as the legendary Yam Kim Fai's protégée & successor
The current version actually reads
is a Cantonese opera performer, known as Yam Kim Fai's protégée and successor.
My understanding is you removed actually:
*famous, which was an adjective describing Loong, the subject of said article
        
*the legendary, which was an adjective describing Yam Kim Fai
I have covered Yam Kim Fai already. For Loong as 'famous', please refer to the two reports from local press.
http://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/entertainment/20151227/bkn-20151227144840017-1227_00862_001.html - Original Ref 13 阿刨率新人演《紫釵記》　劇迷讚不老傳說 【on.cc東網專訊】 Looking perfect as lovers on stage opposite new young talents.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
http://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/entertainment/20160101/bkn-20160101152050007-0101_00862_001.html - Original Ref 14 《紫釵記》全劇　阿刨演繹師父任劍輝派功夫，儼如師父上身般 【on.cc東網專訊】 As if the Legendary Cantonese opera master back alive on stage.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Both started with 粵劇名伶龍劍笙（阿刨）.
My translation is 粵劇Cantonese opera 名famous 伶performer 龍Lung 劍Kim 笙Sang (阿Ah 刨Pau).
Bing the 粵劇名伶龍劍笙（阿刨) to see how popular that phase is and you will get a few more.  gives all those pages online with such wording.
4. Look at the TV Schedule referred. You will see at 18:20 舞台下的龍劍笙 - the name of programme in Chinese.
龍劍笙 is the Chinese name of Loong Kim Sang of Wikipedia.
5. With all due respect, Kwan Hoi-san was a respected member of Cantonese Opera community by seniority as in age not fame.  He worked for the legendary Yam Kim Fai in 1940s when Yam's troupe was in Macau, then a colony of Portugal. 
Kwan was NOT famous until in 1975 TV production "The Legend of the Book and the Sword" (1976) which is also the first line of his Filmography.
6. So much more to explain to you while life is short.  What you removed was the work of many editors over a few years in under various environment.  That is very unfortunate if you did not understand Cantonese Opera. Difference between Cantonese opera and Chinese opera is way beyond my ability to start explaining to you as well.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I can't answer all your questions right now as I'm already late for bed tonight.  I'm not doubting what you are saying about Loong.  There needs to be very good references in order to put it into Wikipedia.

text: #   I was referring that I knew of two relatively obscure topics... A noble family located in Galicaia during the 1500-1600's and Chinese opera.   Chinese opera isn't well known in the west.

text: For myself, the word "Request" means a LOT more than this non-answer above.  Your silence speaks volume.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

text: #  You used https://phyllissabrinafan.blogspot.ca as a reference.  This website is from a personal blog (:zh:網誌).  This is not a reliable site because the person can write anything they want.

text: Before you came along the list of References
1. Maybe The Cantonese Opera Diva January 01, 2016 Australia
2. 舞台下的龍劍笙 November 14, 2015 Hong Kong
3. "Princess Chang Ping". The Illuminated Lantern. Retrieved 26 December 2010.
4. Tragedy of the Poet King(1968) Sin Fung Ming Production 01/30/1968
5. Laugh in the Sleeve (1975) Hing Fut Film Company Production 02/08/1975
6. Princess Chang Ping (1976) Golden Harvest Productions and Golden Phoenix 01/30/1976
7. The Legend of the Purple Hairpin (1977) Golden Phoenix Films Production 02/12/1977
8. Women Pioneer in Hong Kong, population Seven million, the Debut guest 七百萬人的先鋒 April 07, 2012 Hong Kong
9. HKAPA Curtain call December 23, 2015 Crew of new young talents
10. HKAPA Curtain call December 24, 2015 Crew of new young talents
11. HKAPA Curtain call December 29, 2015 Art Director Yam Bing-Yee
12. HKAPA Curtain call December 30, 2015 Art Director Yam Bing-Yee
13. 阿刨率新人演《紫釵記》　劇迷讚不老傳說 【on.cc東網專訊】 Looking perfect as lovers on stage opposite new young talents.
14. 《紫釵記》全劇　阿刨演繹師父任劍輝派功夫，儼如師父上身般 【on.cc東網專訊】 As if the Legendary Cantonese opera master back alive on stage.
15. 任藝笙輝念濃情 IFPI HKG 2015 List of Best Sales Releases, Classical and Operatic Works Recording (Order in Chinese Stroke Counts)
Your rude unfortunate edit removed the link to two pieces of local press report as well as the IFPI HKG 2015 page of award winners while the HKAPA Curtain call links were as per the request already covered above.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
For other statements, you had no reference for.

text: I good example of references would be too look at Loong's Chinese Wikipedia article, :zh:龍劍笙.  It looks to have alot of references.

text: You said you do not speak Chinese but not whether if you read Chinese.  According to your said comment above regarding the TV Schedule  (at 18:20) led to my taking it for granted you do not read Chinese at all.  
However, I trust you can still read the edit history of :zh:龍劍笙.  So, please look where you go regarding this topic of Cantonese opera and more specifically this actress.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I'll add more tomorrow.  Bgwhite (talk) 09:11, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Bgwhite, 
I am sure you have a life to live and now understand you took too much of my time to finish the :zh:龍劍笙 for reasons or circumstances beyond what you has answered so far.  
Articles you so far suggested are either 
1. with all due respect a washed-up, mean but true description, performer
2. not related to Cantonese opera
3. my work for the last three weeks on this particular subject but only 60% complete at best
Loong made four movies in her life so far.  They all have over $1m box-office on record out-there.  Her 1976 movie was definitely on the top ten list and box-office was over $3m.  
Totally FOUR opera movie was made ever since the collapse in 1969-70 of such.  Loong was the male lead for three of these four while Kwan left Cantonese opera and started to work for TV productions.  One was on the rise since 1972 and best reflected in the charitable event raising fund for the tragedy happened in June 18, (618) 1972. The who's who in such event were always the best reflection of their status.  Loong was there playing second fiddle to mentor Yam, in a bright yellow turtle neck pull over and navy blue skirt, and leading the 5 classmates all singing back up at the back.  That picture is ICONIC both for Cantonese opera and the Hong Kong in 1970s.  That's how Loong was introduced to the wider audience by modern technology.
People said that one should stop digging when in a hole.  Not sure where it came from but sounds very wise to me.  Meanwhile, I have lots more in my head to add be included in the :zh:龍劍笙 you referred to.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" Babies have been thrown out with the YET TO BE identified bathwater.  Two weeks already and still no answer at all to questions raised as to the logic and the reasoning as justifications for such allegations and accusations.207.102.255.36（留言） 2016年6月8日 (三) 18:34 (UTC)
===Break===
 Either you are not understanding me or your ignoring me... I'm not disagreeing with you about Loong's status as an Opera performer.  I'm not disagreeing with you that she is legendary.  This has nothing to do about Loong herself.  This is about how to do an article on Wikipedia.  We cannot go around saying "legendary" without a reference to back it up.  We don't go around saying "legendary" in every paragraph.  We are to be neutral and just give the facts.  If a reference says she was "legendary" then make sure to use a reference to source that she is legendary.  As I mentioned before on the John Wayne and Bruce Lee articles, both have "legendary" once in the article and it is referenced.  This needs to happen in Loong's article.
Your English is not the best.  That is fine, but there are parts of the article that doesn't make sense in English.  I'm trying to edit some of those parts so they are more understandable.
Again, look at the articles Zhou Xinfang, Ouyang Yuqian  and Kwan Hoi-san.  This has nothing to do how they were as performers or how they compare to Loong.  This has to do on how the articles are written.  These are examples of opera performers who have good articles.  Use these as a guide on how to write Loong's article.
Look at :zh:龍劍笙.   This is has more information on Loong that might be used on the English article.  It also has references.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)207.102.255.36（留言） 2016年5月22日 (日) 21:09 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfortunate edit about no "legendary" 

message: Either you are not understanding me or your ignoring me... I'm not disagreeing with you about Loong's status as an Opera performer.  I'm not disagreeing with you that she is legendary.  This has nothing to do about Loong herself.  This is about how to do an article on Wikipedia.  We cannot go around saying "legendary" without a reference to back it up.  We don't go around saying "legendary" in every paragraph.  We are to be neutral and just give the facts.  If a reference says she was "legendary" then make sure to use a reference to source that she is legendary.  As I mentioned before on the John Wayne and Bruce Lee articles, both have "legendary" once in the article and it is referenced.  This needs to happen in Loong's article.
Your English is not the best.  That is fine, but there are parts of the article that doesn't make sense in English.  I'm trying to edit some of those parts so they are more understandable.
Again, look at the articles Zhou Xinfang, Ouyang Yuqian  and Kwan Hoi-san.  This has nothing to do how they were as performers or how they compare to Loong.  This has to do on how the articles are written.  These are examples of opera performers who have good articles.  Use these as a guide on how to write Loong's article.
Look at :zh:龍劍笙.   This is has more information on Loong that might be used on the English article.  It also has references.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)207.102.255.36（留言） 2016年5月22日 (日) 21:09 (UTC)
thread_title: Break

message: 提案人已因WP:NOTHERE被封鎖。--路西法人 2023年6月5日 (一) 05:52 (UTC)
replies: text: 下列討論已經關閉，請勿修改。如有任何意見，請在合適的討論頁提出，而非再次編輯本討論。
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維基有一批陳寶珠及梅雪詩粉，不斷在任劍輝，雛鳳鳴劇團 甚至龍劍笙的維基內容搞破壞，加入他們認為正確的資料。其實是斷章取義。當其他作者加入正確資料的時候，他們就一次過返回錯誤版面。請問維基有冇檢視過所有資料的真確性？
而不斷讓這批破壞者在維基擾亂， 錯誤引導公眾視線呢？
維基應該是一個讓不同作者將資料蒐證的平台。為什麼不斷維護一班破壞者將不實資訊 長年在為己出現！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月30日 (二) 03:14 (UTC)

text: @Tea0987：以陈宝珠为例，我希望你用以下的格式具体阐述你的指控。

text: -{“}-	Billytanghh多次使用【什么虚假的资料】声称陈宝珠【的什么虚假形象或虚假内容】。                                 	-{”}-

text: 如果不是陈宝珠条目，你也可以选择梅雪诗、任剑辉、雏凤鸣剧团、龙剑笙条目来证明你的指控。

text: Billytanghh上一次编辑陈宝珠条目还是在三月份，我希望您能具体说明一下事由。--MilkyDefer 2023年5月30日 (二) 05:02 (UTC)
replies: text: :Tea0987及疑似傀儡Copyrighthaha？ 我想請問所有的維基人，在你們決定刪除 或禁止某個作者的時候，是否永遠都叫他做傀儡 叫他做機械人 ？如果在你們刪除前沒有清楚了解 人家留下的所有改動，審查所有資料是否真確 ，去作決定。你們不如將 整個維基 刪除！ 你們的行動只是不斷偏方提供錯誤資料的粉絲群 ！如果你要我再舉例子說明，不如你詳細睇一次我在更新版面內提供的所有資料，所有參考是否真確 ！合埋眼將所有修改都當造惡作劇，當做傀儡工作，你們的 行為實在幼稚 ！幾多人利用這個平台做是非宣傳自己偶像， 就可以達到將真真實資料永遠隱藏的目的 。 我做任何改動時都會寫出備註， 如果 原有作者不同意就提出反駁 理據及提出新證據新理由新文獻 ，不是由你們決定去將某些作者禁止 及永遠封禁 ！你們究竟邊偏幫邊一方已經很明顯 ！！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月30日 (二) 15:10 (UTC)
replies: text: ::请明确举证哪笔编辑将何种正确资料改为不實資料，资料正确性的依据（查证方式）。

text: ::此版本中您认为1964年而非1963年创立，但这与我当前找到的资料不符。--YFdyh000（留言） 2023年5月30日 (二) 15:28 (UTC)

text: 見：维基百科:免责声明：「维基百科不保证其内容正確無誤」。

text: 如果希望其他編者關注這個內容，最好說明情況，畢竟未必剛好有這方面的專家。過去某些破壞者如折毛還能混成專家。--Nostalgiacn（留言） 2023年5月30日 (二) 05:32 (UTC)
replies: text: :沒有人是專家專家！都是從所有文獻資料 第一手第二手報導綜合出來的，最重要的問題是作者是否基於真實資料提供 有力的參考！ 還是採用偏頗， 斷章取義的態度 。

text: :有關龍劍笙， 任劍輝，雛鳳鳴劇團，白雪仙，陳寶珠等的資料，可以說是由一班陳寶珠，梅雪詩的粉絲群，日日夜夜用不同帳號去堆砌出來！有常識的 學者讀者都知道维基只是一個參考平台，要尋找真實資料，必須去圖書館大學圖書館，及幾十年來有關的戲曲作者書籍裏面尋找答案。

text: :有關任劍輝，龍劍笙，雛鳳鳴劇團的資料 其實主要來自 任劍輝傳記，龍劍生細說當年， 細說任龍初 ，香港粵劇概論， 華僑日報 ，香港戲曲雜誌例如戲曲之旅，戲曲品味 等等。 尤其是華僑日報 ，由 40年代至90年代 ，完全紀錄了 龍劍笙，任劍輝，雛鳳鳴劇團所有成員的成長及演出紀錄 ，如果有關作者冇參考憑空想像 。同欺騙沒有分別。

text: :一個很清晰的事實就是，某批作者及多個帳號，他們一直不能夠接受陳寶珠不是任劍輝真正學生的事實！ 我列舉的參考只是少部分，其實有關文章書籍已經重複提及 幾十年。 香港粵劇界全部都知道龍劍笙女士和任劍輝女士的親密師徒關係， 沒有人承認陳寶珠的地位！只不過是 一班粉絲甚至娛樂記者及 收錢 作家不能夠接受龍劍笙女士過去幾十年在粤劇藝術方面的巨大貢獻， 包括能夠承傳任劍輝老師的藝術 ，帶領的劇團成為班霸 獲獎無數 ，及近年帶領弘一輩 走上藝術的更高層次 。以上都是陳寶珠永遠做不到的！因而立心不斷搞破壞， 將事實倒轉 ！將人家的資料刪除！

text: :他們是完全違反維基百科 對作者的要求，就是真實，公平，公正 及資料參考的廣泛性！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月30日 (二) 15:29 (UTC)
replies: text: ::我觉得吧，是学生那就是学生，现在你要搞一个「真正的学生」出来做切割，颇有一种「逐出师门」的感觉，就像是要区分「真正的苏格兰人」和「虚假的苏格兰人一样」。你的意思是不是认为维基百科陈宝珠条目内的内容过多，而龍劍笙条目的内容少了？--MilkyDefer 2023年5月31日 (三) 11:54 (UTC)
replies: text: :::2017年文匯報報道陳寶珠已經向記者承認任劍輝不是他的老師 所以即他自己承認不是真正學生 --Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 13:02 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::文汇报的确如此报道。但存在冲突来源有線電視-2020等，按WP:POV讲各说法都要写明。--YFdyh000（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 13:33 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::http://paper.wenweipo.com/2017/01/15/EN1701150002.htm 2017.1.15 文匯報, 陳寶珠新書銷量佳 未敢問仙姐意見, 陳寶珠承認"至於任姐(任劍輝)嚴格來說不是她的師父，因對方沒正式教過她。" 因此, 有關入室弟子的說法已經不成立。 過去報導真正有跟任劍輝老師深究粵劇的士龍劍笙及朱劍丹兩位, 陳寶珠自己承認武學藝  就不是真正學生已經好明顯.--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 13:39 (UTC)

text: :::::你引述的電視訪問已經是2013年 而陳寶珠在內裏只是提及聽任劍輝的 錄影帶 沒有提到他跟任劍輝直接學習及後2017年他是直接講出從來沒有跟任劍輝學習 .--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 13:42 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::没有直接学习，但有拜师收徒，讲明后者注明前者就行，师徒关系是重要信息且受传媒报道及民众观念的一定认可，是否学习则是细节。感谢指正年份疏失。--YFdyh000（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 13:55 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::::另一位名伶林錦堂曾經在1980年在廣州向 羅品超先生跪地斟茶拜師亦都在報紙上有報道但其後林錦堂 因為真的沒有跟羅品超先生學習過所以他所有報道都沒有提及羅品超是他的師父而他真正師父是林家聲 --Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 13:58 (UTC)
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text: :::::::: 這個訪問裏面陳寶珠又再次承認冇跟任劍輝學過，冇學過冇返學，就不是學生，更加不是什麼入室弟子! 拜師儀式只是一個入學禮，冇返學就不是弟子!

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text: :::::::更正，有關林錦堂拜羅品超為師的新聞，刊載於廣東粵劇史系列內，年份是1981年。 林錦堂冇跟羅品超學過 ，不會承認自己是羅老師學生 ，報章有報導又如何 ？--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 15:05 (UTC)

text: :::::https://youtu.be/Z24G4WWIr_o 陳寶珠再次承認沒有跟任劍輝學習過，只是看龍劍笙梅雪詩錄影帶去演出。所以有報名冇畢業，根本不是學生！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 14:46 (UTC)
*請注意提報人Tea0987及疑似傀儡Copyrighthaha多年以來只以同一傾向編輯任劍輝以及相關粵劇條目，完全沒有其他編輯貢獻，為典型的SPA及NOTHERE-某人✉ 2023年5月30日 (二) 07:06 (UTC)
*:你本人就是陳寶珠梅雪詩粉絲，傀儡即是木頭公仔機械人！ 傀儡會去自己找資料 ？會用真實證據修改錯誤？一班粉絲自己已經有預設的宣傳文稿，年年月月將同一個文搞用不同形式在各大平台包括維基百科，youtube Facebook， 微博裏面作長年宣傳！將人家抹黑，將自己偶像抬高，這是什麼做人品德 ！閱讀維基百科都是有識之士，不會單憑你們 的詐騙文章相信就是事實！
*:我強烈呼籲維基所有管理人，作者，睇清楚這班 粉絲的真面目！ 将維基百科還原為一個乾淨，歸於事實的平台！不要再被這班粉絲欺騙 ！亦歡迎所有管理人作者親身到圖書館查閱所有資料，包括你們眼中以為傀儡所提供的資料，全部真實無誤 ， 是經過 長時間考證搜習及總結 ！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月30日 (二) 15:38 (UTC)

text: 維基有一批陳寶珠及梅雪詩粉，不斷在任劍輝，雛鳳鳴劇團 甚至龍劍笙的維基內容搞破壞，加入他們認為正確的資料。[來源請求]，好歹給出資訊我們才能核對吧。 --窝法乙烷 儿法梦碎 2023年5月31日 (三) 14:01 (UTC)
replies: text: :請你翻查 有關條目內的歷史有多位作者不斷維護陳寶珠再搓鳳鳴劇團的位置, 改完又改, 陳寶珠完成三個折子戲之後1965年已經離團，對劇團沒有貢獻！但有關粉絲就將他的名字放到最放在第一位。 而且描述到不是因為陳寶珠退出，龍劍笙就不可以做正印文武生。 實際上，已經有作者加入資料，一九六五年之後任劍輝老師已經 盡心盡力培養龍劍笙，,龍劍笙的1964 的表現比前輩稱為縮水任劍輝， 即表示對他非常欣賞!

text: :另外有關梅雪詩，是雛鳳鳴劇團其中亦是服務比較長的花旦。但是，他的粉絲就刻意用一個表格將梅雪詩的同學包括謝雪心、 呂雪欣、 方雪羽的名字都刪除，又將另一位同學江雪鷺的是非新聞放大，這是什麼居心呢 ？

text: :最後想提提任劍輝 的條目，因為有作者加入 更加多參考文件，證實龍劍笙就是任劍輝女士的嫡傳弟子及接班人， 卻就被禁止，被強行返回原本錯誤百出的版面去 。 主要是因為有人不斷爭拗陳寶珠是任劍輝的入室弟子！

text: :但事實上 2017年陳寶珠已經承認任劍輝 不是他的老師，因為他根本冇學習過。至於入室弟子的報導，有報名返學沒有畢業就不是學生！例如名伶林錦堂1981年在廣州向羅品超先生拜師，跪地斟茶亦有報章報道。但是最後林錦堂沒有跟羅品超學習，反而拜林家聲先生做老師。所以，林錦堂是林家聲的弟子，他從不說自己是羅品超弟子， 冇學過就係冇學過。( 有關剪報以刊載於廣東粵劇史系列內。)--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 14:33 (UTC)

text: :http://paper.wenweipo.com/2017/01/15/EN1701150002.htm 2017.1.15 文匯報, 陳寶珠新書銷量佳 未敢問仙姐意見, 陳寶珠承認"至於任姐(任劍輝)嚴格來說不是她的師父，因對方沒正式教過她。" 因此, 有關入室弟子的說法已經不成立。--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 14:37 (UTC)

text: :https://youtu.be/Z24G4WWIr_o 陳寶珠再次承認沒有跟任劍輝學習過，只是看龍劍笙梅雪詩錄影带去演出。所以有報名冇畢業，根本不是學生！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 14:43 (UTC)

text: :https://m.facebook.com/am730hk/videos/%E9%99%B3%E5%AF%B6%E7%8F%A0%E6%A2%85%E9%9B%AA%E8%A9%A9-%E4%B8%80%E5%8F%B0%E5%A5%BD%E6%88%B2/1117502761622143/?locale=zh_HK

text: :這個訪問裏面陳寶珠又再次承認冇跟任劍輝學過，冇學過冇返學，就不是學生，更加不是什麼入室弟子! 拜師儀式只是一個入學禮，冇返學就不是弟子!--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 14:59 (UTC)

text: :根據1986年6月5日出版的<細說任龍雛>，內容講述任劍輝的奮鬥史，仙鳳鳴劇團只是任劍輝參與劇劇團其中之一。但是在任劍輝的條目內， 陳寶珠及梅雪詩的粉絲不斷強調仙鳳鳴劇團的公演內容。這些內容已經在仙鳳鳴劇團的條目裏詳述，再在任劍輝的條目裏有詳述一次。 刻意貶低了任劍輝女士在其他劇團的貢獻， 顯然不是公平的做法！ 除了白雪仙之外，任劍輝和唐滌生、芳艷芬、吳君麗 、陳艷僼等都合作無間， 為什麼要特別強調白雪仙及他的仙鳳鳴劇團呢? 白雪仙及仙鳳鳴劇團的條目內不斷不斷重複任劍輝的名字，但相反  任劍輝本身是一位獨立大老倌。他不需要依附任何一個人，或者任何一個劇團，他的故事不只如此!

text: :另外他們亦都積極去刪除有關龍劍笙女士是任劍輝女士嫡傳弟子的所有參考紀錄及文字， 因為他一定要突出陳寶珠就是任劍輝入室弟子 的名目！

text: :但我上述已經列舉多個報道，及陳寶珠親口承認的事實。這個衝突， 是陳寶珠梅雪詩粉絲一直想欺騙大眾 ！告訴大眾陳寶珠就是正式弟子，龍劍笙不是。 真正事實是相反！陳寶珠的所謂入室弟子是假的！自己承認我冇學過！

text: :龍劍笙才是任劍輝真正入室及嫡傳弟子- 龍劍笙在訪問中親口講過和任老師同食同住學藝， 而他是任劍輝的承繼人早已被粵劇人所認同， 包括白雪仙，李香琴，譚倩紅及多位戲曲書籍讚寫人。她的成就已在多個書刊內記載。

text: :若要提供更多參考，隨時可以 ！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 16:28 (UTC)

text: :懇請各位維基人細心再檢查一次 參考資料的真實性，如果發覺某些作者係有私人目的，及意圖去貶低某些人抬高某些人就要立即將他們永遠封禁。因為這班人已經用了多個帳號，長年製造事端， 存放假資料 。 並應該将資料真確的版本 回復。--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 16:35 (UTC)

text: :陳寶珠的條目內長年強調他是任劍輝的入室弟子， 因為他已經承認從來冇學過，拜師儀式不等於畢業！所以 所謂入室弟子的稱呼應該被取消 ！被永遠取消！ 他一九六五年十一月已經離開雛鳳鳴劇團，對劇團完全冇貢獻 。 現時雛鳳鳴劇團已經是註冊公司， 龍劍笙女士才是公司董事 ， 與陳寶珠完全冇關係！ 陳寶珠條目再提及 他在雛鳳鳴劇團有什麼影響成就都是欺騙讀者！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 16:42 (UTC)
replies: text: ::“拜师仪式不等于毕业！所以 所谓入室弟子的称呼应该被取消 ！被永远取消！”掺杂了严重的个人情感，旁人无权决定这个。条目只需要一板一眼的记述传媒文献说过什么，请勿原创研究。--YFdyh000（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 17:18 (UTC)
replies: text: :::資料不正確就應該被取消，沒有什麼私人情感問題 。

text: :::全部以事論事 ！ 林錦堂的條目內亦清楚說明他是林家聲的弟子，隻字不提羅品超。雖然他已經拜過師而且拜師儀式畀陳寶珠更多隆重。 懇請公平處理所有資料項目的真確性 。--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 17:40 (UTC)

text: :::如果我報讀了香港科技大學的碩士課程，但上了一個月就去外地讀書。 我還是科技大學的學生嗎？我可以自稱做科技大學的入室學子嗎 ？ 我通知了所有親友我會讀科技大學又如何 ？--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 17:49 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::除非退學或者學校開除學籍，不然這種狀態下的確是科技大學的學生。 --窝法乙烷 儿法梦碎 2023年5月31日 (三) 18:08 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::陳寶珠1965年11月已經自動退出雛鳳鳴劇團，直至任劍輝1989離世。維基內容應該終於當事人的表白，他已經三次向傳媒表示過沒有跟任劍輝學習， 承認任劍輝不是他的老師 。 再文匯報的訪問內他只承認粉菊花是他的正式師傅 ，這是鐵一般的事實 !--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 19:16 (UTC)

text: ::::自录取报道有学籍就是，没读完是肄业，没合格是结业，仅仅不能称作毕业生。条目中，曾被录取的事实不能因未上课或被开除而抹去。包括如相声演员师承关系，传授技艺非必需，名分是重点。--YFdyh000（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 18:22 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::陳寶珠1965年11月已經自動退出雛鳳鳴劇團，直至任劍輝1989離世。維基內容應該終於當事人的表白，他已經三次向傳媒表示過沒有跟任劍輝學習， 承認任劍輝不是他的老師 。 在文匯報的訪問內，他只承認粉菊花是他的師傅 ，這是鐵一般的事實 !  --Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 19:19 (UTC)

text: :::::以你的論述，林錦堂曾經向羅品超拜師， 甚至可能在藝術上有交流。但在戲曲的師徒制內 ，他明白沒有學就是沒有學， 從來冇提他是羅品超學生，更加冇可能說自己是入室弟子， 這是忠於自己的表現， 不需外人去評斷， 當時人自己最清楚！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 20:18 (UTC)

text: :::::另外想補充有關入室弟子的定義：https://baike.baidu.hk/item/%E5%85%A5%E5%AE%A4%E5%BC%9F%E5%AD%90/11058107 入室弟子是指學生跟老師同食同住及學藝，而且入室就是有嫡係的意思，即得老師真傳。 真正和任劍輝老師同食堂住及學藝是龍劍笙。https://www.mingpaocanada.com/van/htm/News/20141009/HK-mba1_r.htm

text: :::::「有段日子住在師父家中，任姐起牀後，我倆就會聊天，她坐在梳化上，我就依偎在任姐膝伴，和她閒話家常。任姐去世後，我經常夢中見到她，夢中的任姐就像生時一樣親切。」阿刨每念恩師，至今仍難仰悲慟。

text: :::::陳寶珠不符合以上入室弟子的定義， 加上自己否定 是任劍輝的學生 ，真實情況已經好清楚 。

text: :::::https://www.mingpaocanada.com/van/htm/News/20141009/HK-mba1_r.htm--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 20:35 (UTC)

text: :::::非常反對"傳授技藝非必需，名分是重點。" 這個說法! 如此說 ，人人都可以做掛名學生，並且可以因為某位名師，某間名校， 以學生銜頭自居去招搖撞騙，於道德上是不能接受。 每個人都要坦白面對自己，坦白面對公眾，不是用美麗的銜頭包裝！否則， 這叫自欺世盜名！--Tea0987（留言） 2023年5月31日 (三) 22:39 (UTC)
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