Обговорення:Нік Голоняк

message: Як відомо самоназва "українці" ще в 30х роках минулого сторіччя тільки поширювалася на Галичині. 
Так що: ми будемо називати всіх вихідців з Галичини не "українцями", а "русинами"(а називали себе вони саме так!)?
Так само: є українці котри зберегли більш давню самоназву "русини", але це не привід не вважати їх українцями.
Але є й ті хто спекулюють на цій темі і намагаються штучно протиставити тих українців хто називають себе русинами і тих хто називають себе українцями.
Тобто пишучи про винахідника "русин"(і не пишучи "вкраїнець"), той хто це написав просуває свої власні(!) политичні погляді, сепаратистські до того ж!
ИМГО, якщо людина називає себе "русином", але не вказує явно що вона не є "вкраїнцем", слід писати "вкраїнець" чи "вкраїнського походження", а якщо стверджує -- то "політично мотивований псевдорусинський сепаратист".
Про всяк випадок нагадую, що политична пропаганда (а особливо -- сепаратізму та екстермізму!) на Вікіпедії суворо заборонена!
Rerandora (обговорення) 15:55, 28 вересня 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  винахідник русинського походження 

message: Джерело:
Nick Holonyak interviewed by Babak Ashrafi in Holonyak's office, Urbana, Illinois. March 23, 2005
* My dad was an immigrant from the Carpathian Mountains. 
* At the turn of the century, from the 1800s to the 1900s, there was a wave of immigrants from Eastern Europe who were coming in to mine coal in West Virginia and Pennsylvania and all that, and those were Eastern Europeans mainly. Some of them might have been Hungarians that Americans got confused with, and came up with the word “Hunky,” but most of them were really Slavic people from Eastern Europe. There was a group in the Carpathian Mountains who were probably the most kicked-around group of people in Europe. The Poles didn’t like them and want them; the Ukrainians didn’t like them or want them; the Czechs thought they were superior to them and didn’t like them and want them; and the Hungarians in Austro-Hungary had inserted themselves in there, and weren’t even ethnically related to them, particularly. And so these people trying to dig a living out of the mountains were grubbing a living out of the rocks and trees and who knows what.
* Who knows how many came to America? I know there are maybe a half a million. Many of them wound up in steel mills and coal mines and all that, and my dad was one of them. He came in 1909. They’re a Slavic-speaking group; their language is closely related to Ukrainian, but then frequently doesn’t use Ukrainian words or uses Russian words. They’re related to both Russians and Ukrainians.
* [My mother] came in 1921. When my dad came in 1909 he didn’t know her. They were from the same part in those mountains, in the Carpathian Mountains, and those were the people that Americans called Hunkies. That’s why I wrote to this guy because I thought, “What the hell is he doing talking about Hunkies? What does he know about any of us? I know what it is to be called a Hunky on the streets of America. Does this guy know what this is?” Well, it turns out his account was accurate. Anyhow, my dad came in 1909. He was born in 1888 and came in 1909. How the poor guy got here, I don’t know. He didn’t have much money.
If my dad signs, I can join, but if not… So I’m badgering him about joining the Navy with this other guy, and in his language he says, “Okay. If you insist, I’ll sign it.” But he says, “I want you to know that I left Europe because I did not want to serve in the other guy’s military, in his army.” These were Slavic people. They weren’t something else; they called themselves Zakarpatski rus. That means “Trans-Carpatho Russian.” They were some ethnic group that went— I would badger him about that. I’d say, “Who are you people?” And finally sometimes he’d bristle and that’s when he would say, “Don’t you have anything to eat? Don’t you have a roof over your head?” And then his answer would be, “Muk,” that’s “us”. He says, “Muk bile tarn davno z davno..” “We were there a long time and a long time,” meaning, “We go back to ancient times.”
In other words, we are not recent settlers in that part of Europe in those mountains. We have been there and been there and been there indefinitely. So I knew what he was saying was, “You’re not going to get an answer to that question. That’s a bigger question.” They were there. In other word, their origins go way back, and they were basically some Slavic group that’s closely related to the Eastern Slavs—the Russians and Ukrainians—but have evolved the language that’s still that kind of a language, but still modified with some contaminating words from the Poles, from the Germans, from the Hungarians.
So sometimes when I talk with a Russian, I have to be careful because I may throw a string of words at him that he’ll understand and then suddenly, the next word is Hungarian, and he doesn’t understand it. A word that has been brought in, put into their grammar, into their language, and now has been incorporated. But at any rate, they are a distinct group. He knew they were a distinct group, but not accepted as distinct; never able to put together their own country. It’s just like, I’m sure in the Middle East— I had a young woman from Lebanon, Nada El-Zein, and Nada drew distinctions between various groups in the Middle East, that yes, she speaks Arabic, but her Arabic might be somewhat different than some other group.
— Yuri V. (о•в)
12:19, 29 вересня 2021 (UTC).
thread_title:  Нік Голоняк про своє походження 

message: (Микола) написав  анонім 50.196.215.94, мешкає у великому (55 тис. осіб) селищі Маунт-Проспект (Іллінойс), поблизу Чикаго.
Немає ВП:АД.
— Yuri V. (о•в)
12:51, 29 вересня 2021 (UTC).
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