Tartışma:Benito Mussolini

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1. The Mussolini-Hitler salute originated from the USA’s early Pledge of Allegiance and a shocking photograph is here.  The original Pledge began with a military salute that then stretched out toward the flag and a photograph is here.  In actual use, the second part of the gesture was performed with a straight arm and palm down by disinterested children perfunctorily performing the forced ritual chanting by extending the initial military salute, as shown by Professor Rex Curry. Due to the way that both gestures were used sequentially in the pledge, the military salute led to the hard, stylized salute of Mussolini-Hitler.  It was an extended military salute via the USA’s Pledge. 
2. At the time that Mussolini-Hitler found their salute they were both  self-proclaimed socialists and leaders in their movements. It was not an ancient Roman salute, and the "ancient Roman salute" is a myth.  The myth grew from the use of the USA’s pledge salute in  early movies showing fictional Roman scenes. 
3. The swastika, although it was an ancient symbol, was used sometimes by the National Socialist German Workers Party to represent overlapping “S” letters for their “socialism,” as shown in Swastika Secrets by Dr. Rex Curry.   The same symbolism is shown in Hitler’s own bizarre signature, which Hitler alter to use the same stylized "S" letter for "socialist," and similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens.
4. The Mussolini-Hitler salute in the USA pre-dated Mussolini-Hitler by decades and was created by Francis Bellamy (author of the "Pledge of Allegiance").  Francis Bellamy and Edward Bellamy (author of the novel "Looking Backward") and Charles Bellamy (author of "A Moment of Madness") and Frederick Bellamy (who introduced Edward to socialistic "Fourierism") were socialists.  Edward, Charles and Frederick were brothers, and Francis was their cousin. Francis and Edward were both self-proclaimed National Socialists and they supported the "Nationalism" movement in the USA, the "Nationalist" magazine, and the "Nationalist Educational Association." They wanted all of society to ape the military and they touted "military socialism" and the "industrial army."  Edward’s book was an international bestseller, translated into every major language (including Italian & German) and he inspired the "Nationalist Party" (in the USA) and their dogma influenced socialists worldwide (including Italy & Germany) via “Nationalist Clubs.”  
The government in the USA and the government schools hide those facts from people in the USA and from people in other countries. 
The U.S. still follows similar anti libertarian policies that influenced Mussolini-Hitler. Many Bellamy socialist policies were followed in the USA and still are followed in the USA and caused the USA’s big, expensive and oppressive government and its growing police-state. The government still owns and operates schools, including the same schools that imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official government policy.  The U.S. practice of imposing segregation by law in government schools and teaching racism as official policy even outlasted the Mussolini-Hitler by over 15 years. After segregation in government's schools ended, the Bellamy legacy caused more police-state racism of forced busing that destroyed communities and neighborhoods and deepened hostilities. Those schools still exist.  Infants are given social security numbers that track and tax them for life.  Those schools demand the numbers to enroll. The Pledge still exists along with laws mandating that teachers lead the robotic pledge chanting every day for twelve years of each child’s life.
*Türkçe vikide bu ingilizce tartışma ne arıyor?95.7.140.209 04:28, 31 Ağustos 2011 (UTC)
Adresi şaşırmış anlaşılan.95.7.98.124 11:53, 16 Aralık 2011 (UTC)

message: Mussolini'nin ateist olduğu bu maddede belirtilmiş. Bunun kaynağı nedir? -- Ullierlich 08:15, 10 Şubat 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Bilgi için kaynak istendiğini belirten şablon eklendi. Bildirim için teşekkürler.--RapsarEfendim? 09:54, 10 Şubat 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: : Mussolini siyaseten değişimler yaşadığı gibi dinsel olarakta benzer değişimleri yaşamış. Ancak siyaseten faşizmde karar kıldıysa da, din konusundaki aynı statik tutumunu görmek biraz zor. Genel kanı, ateist olduğu olsada kendisinin din anlayışı ve tanrıyı ele alışı farklılık gösteriyor. Faşizmi bir din anlayışı ve bireyselliği aşırdıran manevi, güçlü bir birliğe giden yol olarak ele alıyor ve faşizmin bir tür din olduğunu düşünüyordu. Bunları kendi sözleri de kanıtlar nitelikte. --Vitruvian 14:56, 9 Mart 2012 (UTC)
Mussolini'ni dini inancı hakkında çeşitli bilgiler yer almakta olup hiçbir kaynak bunu kesin olarak dogrulayamamaktadır.
Nitekim orjinal(İngilizce) Wikipedia sayfasında bu yüzden 'dini' ibaresine yer verilmekten kaçınılmıştır.
Bu anlamda Türkçe vikipedi sayfasından da bu ibarenin kaldırılarak orjinal Wikipedia sayfası ile söz konusu sayfanın uyumlulaştırılması gerektiğini düşünüyorum... William9991 (mesaj) 14.16, 11 Ağustos 2021 (UTC)

text: biyografilerin bilgi kutularında, eğer kişinin kayda değerliğinin konuyla doğrudan bir ilişkisi yoksa dini ibaresine yer vermiyoruz. dolayısıyla çıkartılmış sürümü onayladım. eğer konunun işlenmesine gerek varsa madde içinde kaynaklarıyla yer verilebilir. --kibele  14.27, 11 Ağustos 2021 (UTC)
Değerlendirmeniz için teşekkür ederim... William9991 (mesaj) 14.42, 11 Ağustos 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mussolini ateist mi?