Tartışma:Nedensellik

message: *mevzu bitmis degil ancak fazla ilgi gören bir madde degil.kendimi ikna edecek kadar maddeyi hazirlandim.kalanlar zamanla olabilir.--alibaz 21:23, 25 Eylül 2006 (UTC)

message: gerekircilik maddesini buraya yönlendirdikten sonra farkettim.aliskanlik üzere hem nedensellige hem de gerekircilige determiniz ile  es anlamliymis gibi yaklasmisiz.bazi ayrimlar yapmaliyiz. elimde su an kaynak yok (netlestirince kendim yaparim), ancak bu kavramlari söyle eslememiz gerekitigi kanisindayim.
gerekiricilik-zorunluluk, nedensellik-iiliyet (eski türkce tabiiki, kausalität anlaminda), ve determinizm-belirlenimcilik.yani determinizm nedenselik iceriginden buradaki kullanildigi sekilde belirtilmemeli (nedenseelik ya da determinizm).degistiriyorum.kolay gele.--alibazmesaj 12:37, 17 Kasım 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nedensellik-gerekircilik-determinizm 

message: * https://archive.fo/AtUS2
* https://archive.fo/PnT66
It's about:
# the first cause of personhood; is personhood precosmic? (god is a thinker/a person/before we analyse him we have to analyze the precosmicity of personhood. If personhood can exist without to be shaped via the interaction with others. See: Psychology Yale YouTube,  and read: the criteria for personhood, also watch YouTube videos on personhood = the state of being a person,  not its hyponymous term personality which means character and individual differences amongst persons. Personhood is the basic hypernym of personality.)
# there is no specific definition for the term everything; when defined with metalogical rigour; that is very important, because the first cause of the universe doesn't emanate directly from the probability of the undefinable everything, but from the renormalized bulk (a reformed bulk of Kip Thorne)
# the problem of axiomaticity; Axiomaticity means to claim something is correct without proof. That isn't metalogically deep, nor scientific. Thus self-interactions, and renormalization are used even for the first cause (using axioms means a theory isn't deep enough/doesn't truly analyse causality; the only solution is a connectome of self-interactions)
# the connectome of self-interactions within the components of a system, work only if thats system is not everything (thus it is a partial system; and even metalogic itself has rigorous gaps when we try to present it in truly metalogical terms, without the trickery of lists [some use lists, to avoid either the mutually exclusive sets, either the mutually exclusive systems/ yes, there is no system of everything when metalogically define; for reasons similar but not tautologic for why the set of all sets is an impossibility)
* https://archive.fo/AtUS2
* https://archive.fo/PnT66
Keep the links here. Greece isn't a truly western nation to understand philosophy. They never analyze why something is wrong. They simply didn't like it because it didn't sound Orthodox enough. If something is wrong, keep it, but analyze it. In philosophy we methodically analyse. We don't delete simply because we don't like something.
thread_title:  Some Greek Orthodox don't allow these comments because they might lead to atheistic conclusions (but not necessarily without analysis)