Diskussion:Paragon (gille)

message: I'm sorry but I will have to post here by english language because my swedish skills are very low.
Here are some of the reasons why the article is relevant enough:
*It is currently the most succesful World of Warcraft PvE-guild in the world.
*It is been seen in a finnish media (internet and magazines).
*It has been existed for over year (since 2008 August).
*It has a sponsor (SteelSeries). 
--Pekpekpek 6 september 2010 kl. 22.15 (CEST)
Please don't remove article before we had conversation here. --Pekpekpek 7 september 2010 kl. 20.34 (CEST)
replies: text: Please present reliable and independent sources that show that, i.e. your own web site isn't enough.Sjö 7 september 2010 kl. 20.37 (CEST)
replies: text: :Okay,

text: :Suomalainen Paragon on maailman paras WoW-kilta Proves that Paragon is currently the best World of Warcraft (PvE)-guild. (It is interview with two members of Paragon (Raakel Hämäläinen and Pekka Aaltonen) at finnish language.)

text: :Paragon + Steelseries Proves that Paragon and SteelSeries are in partnerships.

text: :Here are some interviews: 1 , 2 . --Pekpekpek 7 september 2010 kl. 21.00 (CEST)
replies: text: ::I don't speak Finnish but a Google translation of the first link supports that Paragon is the best WoW guild and since it's YLE it can pe presumed to be a reliable source. The link to your own home page isn't good enough, however, do you have another? I haven't listended to the intervies, what are they supposed to show?Sjö 7 september 2010 kl. 21.18 (CEST)
replies: text: :::Well actually that isn't my site, I'm just a wikipedian writer. :) But anyway, the first interview is a bit a long one, there comes up more like the details of the guild, but it is still a good example that it is a best guild in the world since the interviewer, makes that clear for many times. The another video is much shorter, but it also tells that the guild is definitely the best. And to make this clear, there are probably hundred of thousands World of Warcraft PvE-guilds in the world and the game itself has over 13 million players and this guild Paragon is currently the best guild, since it holds many world first encounter downs in the game. --Pekpekpek 7 september 2010 kl. 21.29 (CEST)

text: :::Also to mention, the first video makes clear that Paragon is sponsored by ASUS and SteelSeries. --Pekpekpek 7 september 2010 kl. 21.53 (CEST)
replies: text: ::::The language is not good. Is it translated by machine? Tanzania 7 september 2010 kl. 21.37 (CEST)
replies: text: :::::You mean this article? No I'v translated it manually, my swedish skills are just very bad so I'm sorry about that. --Pekpekpek 7 september 2010 kl. 21.53 (CEST)
replies: text: ::::::Sorry about writing that it was your site. I wasn't assuming good faith there.Sjö 8 september 2010 kl. 06.52 (CEST)
There is no Paragon article at Wikipedia in Finnish, is there? May I suggest that you start an article there and let the Finns help evaluate the sources and notability? There is an English article, and its notability was questioned on August, 14, but the tag was removed without discussion by user Pek. The German version also is of questioned notability.Sjö 8 september 2010 kl. 06.52 (CEST)

text: I discussed at German wiki and they told me that Paragon is notable and acceptable, see this --Pekpekpek 8 september 2010 kl. 08.18 (CEST)
replies: text: :Not quite. It was restored from deletion to give you a chance to work on it, but it still needs to have it's notability sourced according to the quality tag at the top of the article.Sjö 8 september 2010 kl. 12.33 (CEST)
replies: text: ::So I need to just add the sources and then its okay to stay? --Pekpekpek 8 september 2010 kl. 13.13 (CEST)
replies: text: :::Well, you need to add more reliable sources. Also, the lack of sources outside Finland bothers me. I think that the best guild in such a popular game would be mentioned by several sources, perhaps even by Blizzard Entertainment. Since there are no official competitions, it seems the best we can say is that someone thinks that Paragon is best. That is a bit weak, but if several sources within the gaming community agree that Paragon is #1 then Paragon is notable.Sjö 8 september 2010 kl. 15.16 (CEST)
replies: text: ::::There are much more sources at english language then finnish (i think so, but I don't know are they good sources then). And Blizzard Entertainment has congratulated paragon once at http://eu.wowarmory.com/ -site, thats for sure, I just can't find the source for that. But here are some posts I found from forums, where Blizzard Entertainment mentions paragon: 1, 2 and 3. --Pekpekpek 9 september 2010 kl. 14.05 (CEST)
replies: text: :::::I am open the group could be seen as relevant, but It must be shown i the article text, not here, so please put relevant refrencences in the article.Yger 13 september 2010 kl. 07.28 (CEST)
replies: text: ::::::Paragon is currently accepted at De and Fi -Wikipedia.
replies: text: :::::::The articles on dewp and fiwp are much better than this one. Especially the finnish article has a lot of sources. /Kemikungen 24 september 2010 kl. 13.01 (CEST)
Är det hela något skämt... t.ex. den s.k. översättningen?? --Christian47 28 september 2010 kl. 01.48 (CEST)

text: Nej, någon har med möda på ett främmande språk försökt sig på att skriva om ett ämne som engagerar personen. Man kan ha varierande åsikter om ämnets vikt, men att kalla ansträngningen ett skämt är fruktansvärt onödigt. /Julle 28 september 2010 kl. 02.55 (CEST)
thread_title:  Relevans 

message: Hej, wikipedianer!
Jag har just ändrat 1 externa länkar på Paragon (gille). Kontrollera gärna mina ändringar. Om du har några frågor, eller vill be boten ignorera vissa länkar eller hela artikeln, läs frågor och svar för mer information. Jag har gjort följande ändringar:
*Lade till arkiv https://web.archive.org/web/20110720195528/http://wowlehti.fi/2010/03/27/paragon-voitti-nyky-wowin/ till http://wowlehti.fi/2010/03/27/paragon-voitti-nyky-wowin/
*Lade  till http://video.moglik.com/v/zyW4SW1tp_0/ASUS---Paragon-%40-Assembly-2010.htm
När ändringarna har blivit kontrollerade kan du använda verktygen nedan för att rapportera eventuella problem.
*Om du har hittat länkar som påstås vara döda men inte är det kan du rapportera det som falskt positivt.
*Om du har hittat fel i själva ändringen kan du rapportera en bugg.
*Om du har hittat fel med själva URL:en, som till exempel att den använder en otillförlitlig arkivtjänst, kan du ändra det med URL-verktyget.
Hälsningar.—InternetArchiveBot (Rapportera fel) 27 juli 2017 kl. 00.37 (CEST)
thread_title:  Externa länkar ändrade 

message: Hej, wikipedianer!
Jag har just ändrat 1 externa länkar på Paragon (gille). Kontrollera gärna mina ändringar. Om du har några frågor, eller vill be boten ignorera vissa länkar eller hela artikeln, läs frågor och svar för mer information. Jag har gjort följande ändringar:
*Lade till arkiv https://archive.is/20120525050641/http://video.moglik.com/v/zyW4SW1tp_0/ASUS---Paragon-@-Assembly-2010.htm till http://video.moglik.com/v/zyW4SW1tp_0/ASUS---Paragon-%40-Assembly-2010.htm
När ändringarna har blivit kontrollerade kan du använda verktygen nedan för att rapportera eventuella problem.
*Om du har hittat länkar som påstås vara döda men inte är det kan du rapportera det som falskt positivt.
*Om du har hittat fel i själva ändringen kan du rapportera en bugg.
*Om du har hittat fel med själva URL:en, som till exempel att den använder en otillförlitlig arkivtjänst, kan du ändra det med URL-verktyget.
Hälsningar.—InternetArchiveBot (Rapportera fel) 9 september 2017 kl. 11.22 (CEST)
thread_title:  Externa länkar ändrade