Diskussion:Pindos och Moglena

message: Användare:Riggwelter: Apologies for English: As I do not speak the language, I am removing erroneous information without changing the text that I cannot change.
Please note that there was never such a state, as it is clear from sources.
I would appreciate your assistance. --FocalPoint (diskussion) 1 november 2015 kl. 22.30 (CET)
The facts:
*The name Principality of Pindus is used mainly for the events in 1917 (indeed villages of Pindus were involved)
*The same name is in some cases used for the events in 1941-43. This is not correct since the events are covered by the actions of the so called "Roman Legion", which was active in Thessalia, as well as parts of Macedonia and Epirus.
*There was never any Principality or any kind of state formed or even declared neither in 1917 nor in 1941-43
*In 1941-42, Alcibiades Diamandi was indeed a leader of the Vlach "Roman Legion". He was not any kind of prince.
*In 1942-43, Nikolaos Matoussis, was the successor of Diamandi in the leadership of the Vlach "Roman Legion". He was not a prince, he was not a regent of any kind as many wikipedias wrongfully indicate.
;1917
General historical bibliography about the events. 
*Rethinking Violence: States and Non-state Actors in Conflict, p. 106
*The Politics of Nation-Building: Making Co-Nationals, Refugees, and Minorities, p. 135
*Ethnologia Balkanica The Politics of Nation-Building: Making Co-Nationals, Refugees, and Minorities, p. 149
Special historical bibliography for this event 
*Evenimentele din lunile iulie-august 1917 în regiunea Munţilor Pind – încercare de creare a uneistatalităţi a aromânilor. documente inedite şi mărturii. studiu istoriografic şi arhivistic, Stoica Lascu, Revista Romana de Studii Eurasiatice, Anul III, Nr. 1-2/2007
;1941-1943
*Fascism's European Empire: Italian Occupation During the Second World War p. 326 - no mention of Principate.
*British Reports on Greece 1943-1944, p. 36
;Conclusion :
*Some people wanted to form an independent entity (we now call it Principate of Pindos) in 1917 and wrote letters about this. These villages are in the mountains of Pindos. This is what is called Principate of Pindos, even though it never materialized.
*In 1943, the organization "Vlach Legion", sponsored by the Italian and Romanian state, existed in the Greek territory which was occupied by Italy. People in this organization, discussed about a Principality, but never wrote about it, never made it, as their sponsors (mainly Italy) would never want to (and could not) give any real independence.
Please also see :en:Talk:Principality of the Pindus#Article information, where there is also coordination fot the clear - up in all wikipedias. --FocalPoint (diskussion) 1 november 2015 kl. 22.54 (CET)
thread_title: Removal of erroneous information

message: The name Principality of Pindos is used to describe the proposed creation of an autonomous district under Italian protectorate at the end of the First World War, in July and August 1917 in the area of Pindos.Evenimentele din lunile iulie-august 1917 în regiunea Munţilor Pind – încercare de creare a uneistatalităţi a aromânilor. documente inedite şi mărturii. studiu istoriografic şi arhivistic, Stoica Lascu, Revista Romana de Studii Eurasiatice, Anul III, Nr. 1-2/2007Balkan Border Crossings: Second Annual of the Konitsa Summer School, Basilēs G. Nitsiakos, LIT Verlag Münster, 2011, p. 251
The name was later used to describe a similar project launched by members of the "Roman Legion" (1941-1943), an organization of some Vlachs collaborating with the Italian occupation forces in Greece.Τα παιδιά της λύκαινας. Οι "επίγονοι" της 5ης Ρωμαϊκής Λεγεώνας κατά τη διάρκεια της Κατοχής (1941-1944), (The children of She-Wolf, the «descendants» of the 5th Roman Legion during the Occupation (1941–1944), Σταύρος Παπαγιάννης (Stavros Papayiannis), Εκδόσεις Σοκόλη. ISBN 978-960-7210-71-5, 1999, 2004
No state / district / principality never had any existence neither in 1917 nor in 1941-1943.
thread_title: Very short - but accurate version for translation

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message: I do not agree with the use of Mall:Historisk stat, because this never became a state. --FocalPoint (diskussion) 8 november 2015 kl. 17.44 (CET)
thread_title: faktamallen Historisk stat