Diskussion:USA:s indiannationer

message: Delstatliga medborgarskap i USA? Det är helt vansinnigt, och försiktigtvis tycker jag att hela artikeln bör kollas för ev. faktafel. // Rudolf 1 augusti 2006 kl.19.44 (CEST)
Jag bor i USA och jag är både medborgare i USA och Wisconsin. 69.128.106.74 1 augusti 2006 kl.19.46 (CEST)
Jag tar bort faktakoll, eftersom Rudolf inte motiverar varför han anser att dubbla medborgarskap är fel; han kommer bara med invektiv och sen ifrågasätter han hela artikeln. Svenska Wikipdedia verkar vara ett tillhåll för amatörer med överdrivna egon. Hur blir man administratör, för övrigt? Förutom genom att kopiera några tusen Ugglan-artiklar?
69.128.106.74 2 augusti 2006 kl.02.29 (CEST)
Hej  det finns inga delstaliga medborgarskap  USA Indianer fick USA:s medborgarskap 1924. Indianhistoriker md indiansk/svensk ursprung 
replies: text: Man blir administratör genom att till att börja med skaffa ett användarnamn, det är ett måste. Sen deltar man aktivt i några månader, efter ett tag brukar man bli nominerad till admin, om man sköter sig och visar ett intresse i mer än att skriva artiklar, det vill säga den administrativa hanteringen av Wikipedia. Mycket av den går ut på att rensa ut klotter. Rudolf 1922 är för övrigt inte administratör på Wikipedia. /Grillo 24 augusti 2006 kl. 15.11 (CEST)
"The government recognizes two distinct classes of citizens: a state Citizen and a federal citizen. 
A state Citizen, also called a de jure Citizen, is an individual whose inalienable natural rights are recognized, secured, and protected by his/her state Constitution against State actions and against federal intrusion by the Constitution for the United States of America. 
A federal citizen, also called: a 14th Amendment citizen, a citizen of the United States, a US citizen, a citizen of the District of Columbia, has civil rights that are almost equal to the natural rights that state Citizens have. I say almost because civil rights are created by Congress and can be taken away by Congress. Federal citizens are subjects of Congress, under their protection as a "resident" of a State, a person enfranchised to the federal government (the incorporated United States defined in Article I, section 8, clause 17 of the Constitution). The individual States may not deny to these persons any federal privileges or immunities that Congress has granted them. This specific class of citizen is a federal citizen under admiralty law (International Law). As such they do not have inalienable common rights recognized, secured and protected in the Constitutions of the States, or of the Constitution for the United States of America, such as "allodial" (absolute) rights to property, the rights to inheritance, the rights to work and contract, and the right to travel among others."
Källa: http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/On_State_Citizenship.html 2006-09-19 09:20
"A subject which has received little attention from law writers is that of state citizenship. Yet constituting, as it does, the principal qualification for holding office and for the exercise of the elective franchise, it is a matter of great importance. 
At first impression it would appear to be a comparatively easy matter to ascertain what constitutes citizenship in a particular State. As a matter of fact, however, State Citizenship is not well defined. Not a single State constitution contains a complete definition, and only incomplete definitions are found in State statutes." 
Källa: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Embassy/1154/StateCitizenship.html 2006-09-19 09:23
"The Concept of State Citizenship is a Reality, But Not Quite In The Sense You May Have Heard 
For more information, find and review the following materials: 
Article III, Section 2, Clause 1, U.S. Constitution 
Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1, U.S. Constitution 
Amendment XIV, Section 1, U.S. Constitution 
Your state's Constitution 
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, Volume 2: "B to Civil Procedure", pages 336-339, "Citizens" 
U.S. Code Congressional and Administrative News, 82nd Congress, Second Session, June 27, 1952: Legislative History of the Immigration and Nationality Act, Pages 1674-1676 
Corpus Juris Secundum, Volume 14: "Cemeteries to Civil Rights 142", pages 426-452, "Citizens" (another way of citing this would be 14 C.J.S. Citizens) 
Corpus Juris Secundum, Volume 16B: "Constitutional Law", Sections 649-699, pages 358-467 
The Constitutional Law Dictionary by Ralph C. Chandler et. al., Volume I: "Individual Rights", pages 445-446, "Privileges and Immunities Clause" 
The United States Code Annotated, Title 28- Judiciary and Judicial Procedure, Section 1332, pages 5-12, especially footnotes 
Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, St. George Tucker Edition [1803 AD], Volume I, Appendix, Note D: "Of the Constitution of The United States", pages 140-377 
SUMMARY
In American Law, and only in certain selected cases, will a person or a corporation be considered either a Citizen of his state or a Citizen of the United States for the purposes of that trial. Otherwise, a person born in one state has all the rights and privileges which come from the US Constitution, and from the Constitution of the state they happen to be in at the time (unless that person is in a US Territory, in which case, the state rights may not necessarily apply.) Besides, there are advantages to having two sets of rights to fall back on. In essence, you have the protection of two governments: technically speaking, all of the states of countries, and the terms Commonwealth, Territory, State, Democracy, Republic, etc. can be used interchangeably to describe the United States. (More on this to come) 
Being a State Citizen and not a Federal Citizen, even though one is implied in the other, WILL NOT make you a national of the United States. In addition, I can find no evidence of the term "American National," a term which some people believe to exist. 
The problem with the subject of "State" Citizenship is that there has never been much discussion on the subject, and now for the last few years, there are many people making a lot of claims about things which may or may not be true, and because people have not learned to read law and do research for themselves, they are being led in the wrong directions. I hope this page and its contents can shed some light on this subject."
Källa: http://notsosynonymous.tripod.com/citizen.html 2006-09-19 09:27
"Before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, citizens of the states were automatically considered citizens of the United States. In 1857, the Dred Scott v. Sanford decision had held that no black of African descent (even a freed black) could be a citizen of the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment was thus necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves. The Fourteenth Amendment made United States citizenship primary and state citizenship derivative. The primacy of federal citizenship made it impossible for states to prevent former slaves from becoming United States citizens by withholding state citizenship. States could no longer prevent any black from United States citizenship or from state citizenship either.
The Civil Rights Act of 1866 had previously asserted that “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.” The immediate impetus for the Fourteenth Amendment was to constitutionalize and validate the Civil Rights Act because some had questioned whether the Thirteenth Amendment was a sufficient basis for its constitutionality. A constitutional amendment would also have the advantage of preventing a later unfriendly Congress from repealing it."
Källa: http://www.heritage.org/Research/GovernmentReform/wm925.cfm 2006-09-19 09:30
Det går också att kolla i engelska Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_citizenship
Eller varför inte i Förenta Staternas författning: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Vad sägs? 
Luke 19 september 2006 kl. 09.20 (CEST)
Jag tar bort faktakollen, eftersom inga invändningar rests.
25 september 2006 kl. 13.35 (CEST)
thread_title: Delstatliga medborgarskap

message: Det finns en artikel om Indianreservat. Varesig i denna artikel eller i artikeln om indianreservat framgår det vilken disktinktionen är mellan dessa två begrepp. Är det någon som kan förtydliga? Stigfinnare 6 december 2011 kl. 10.30 (CET) Korrigerad Stigfinnare 6 december 2011 kl. 10.31 (CET)
thread_title:  Indianreservat vs. Indiannationer 

message: Var kan man läsa mer om delstatliga medborgarskap? Det har funnits en en:State citizenship men den raderades efter diskussion. Det fjortonde tillägget verkar stipulera att
all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside men om det automatiskt övergår omedelbart vid flytt låter det ju inte som något bestående man föds till ansöker om utan snarare som ett begrepp analogt med svensk folkbokföring, så att översätta det med medborgarskap känns tveksamt. - Tournesol (diskussion) 24 januari 2022 kl. 13.31 (CET)
replies: text: Se här: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/06/24/is-state-citizenship-the-answer-to-immigration-reform/state-citizenship-has-roots-in-american-history

text: Men det är mer en teoretisk möjlighet som användes på ett annat sätt innan 14:e tillägget till USA:s konstitution och som diverse filurer i Sovereign citizen-rörelsen argumenterar kring. Om någon delstat skulle få för sig att dela ut det oberoende av federalt medborgarskap, typ att Kalifornien eller New York gav det till alla illegala invandrare skulle det garanterat leda till domstolsprocesser. Delstatligt medborgarskap är (som citeras ovan på sidan) ett derivat från det federala medborgarskapet. Gällande indianstammar finns det avgöranden i USA:s högsta domstol från 1800-talet som ger den federala statsmakten exklusiv jurisdiktion visavi indianstammarna. Här är en bra litteraturtips gällande rättshistoria kring indianstammarna som jag en gång har läst (1:a kapitlet): https://www.veryshortintroductions.com/view/10.1093/actrade/9780199766000.001.0001/actrade-9780199766000 . Enwp har en uttömmande lista med List of United States Supreme Court cases involving Indian tribes. Ricjac 24 januari 2022 kl. 15.16 (CET)
thread_title:  Delstatliga medborgarskap (igen)