Разговор:Хрватска у унији са Угарском/Архива 1

message: Hrvatska nije bila ni u kakvoj uniji sa Madjarskom. Cudi me jeli neko placen ovdje da siri hrvatski nacionalizam ili je to rezultat neznanja?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Croatia_in_the_union_with_Hungary
About non-existent Kingdom of Croatia
In order to get a good understanding of the Croatian history - here are very good references showing clearly that Kingdom of Croatia existed only 16 years and namely from 1075-1091!!!
* Kings, Bishops, Nobles, and Burghers in Medieval Hungary by Erik Fugedi, Janos M. Bak, Erik Feugedi Published 1986 by Variorum Reprints
* The Realm of St Stephen: A History of Medieval Hungary, 895-1526 By Pal Engel Published 2005 by I.B.Tauris
* Nobility, land and service in medieval Hungary by Martyn Rady Published 2000 by Palgrave Macmillan
* A History of Hungary's Nationalities By Ernst Flachbarth Published 1944 by Society of the Hungarian Quarterly
p 708 Hungary in the late fifteenth century - a map showing Wallachia, Hungary and Turkey and Ragusa - no clue about 'Kingdom of Croatia'
* The Medieval World By Peter Linehan, Janet Laughland Nelson
p 80 Figure 5.1 Map of medieval Hungary showing areas of Cuman settlement (times of King Bela V (1235 - 1270) - no clue about 'Kingdom of Croatia'
More interesting ...
* The Early Medieval Balkans: a critical survey from the sixth to the late twelfth century by John Van Antwerp Fine - Published 1991 by University of Michigan Press
Page 248
Sources on Medieval Croatia
Early medieval Croatian history fits the concluding line to the old jingle: the more you study the less you know. When I was and undergraduate studying Balkan history I thought I knew quite a bit about Croatia; but as I study more about Croatia, one by one "facts" that I knew before turn out to be dubious, based on questionable sources or no sources at all. Most of the existing literature in western languages on medieval Croatia is extremely poor; and frequently it is marred by nationalistic bias.
Much of the information about medieval Croatian history comes from later (seveneenth- and eigteenth-century) narrative histories. These were written by enthusiastic people but ciontain a mixture of fact and legend; and since many of the documents they based their works on are now lost, it is extremely difficult to judge wheter their information came from reliable source or not.
* The Realm of St Stephen: A History of Medieval Hungary, 895-1526 by Pál Engel - 2005 I.B.Tauris edition, Translated by Tamas Palosfalvi
Pages 33-34
One of Ladislaus's most significant achievements was the occupation of Hungary's southern neighbour, Croatia. ... The small kngdom, born in the tenth century, streched from the Kapela mountains to the Adriatic sea, its center being Biograd, located on the coast.
... King Demetrius Zvonimir, who, not being a member of the ruling dynasty, obtained his throne throug election, asked Pope Gregory VII fo a crown in 1075, and, in return, declared his kingdom as a papal fief. After his death, Ladislaus laid claim on his realm by the right of his sister, Zvonimir's widow, and had no difficulty in taking possession of Croatia in 1091. He bestowed the new kingdom, together with royal title, on his nephew, Almos, son of Geza I ...
thread_title: O nepostojecoj uniji

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Giulio_Clovio#About_non-existent_Kingdom_of_Croatia
Then what? The above site is just an Internet merchandise site. Christos Nüssli is just a cartographer - not historian. He did ont reveal scholastic/scientific sources supporting his maps. Rather, he published this disclaimer which completely disqualifies his maps as a serious reference.
http://www.euratlas.com/shop/conditio.htm
DISCLAIMER
This site is provided by euratlas on an "as is" and "as available" basis. You expressly agree that your use of this site is at your risk. Christos Nüssli will not be liable for any damages arising from the use of this site.
Nuessli apparently sells Croatian propaganda - for plain commercial reasons!
replies: text: Овај чланак чак и не презентира став да је Хрватска била у унији са Мађарској него на крајње невешти начин излаже средњовековну хрватску историју. Поред свих налепница додао бих и налепницу за брисање али се уздржавам док не чујем и остала мишљења. --Војвода (разговор) 23:27, 17. новембар 2007. (CET)
To je vrlo kompleksno pitanje. Da li je Hrvatska Pakta konventom prestala da postoji ili je sklopila uniju i kakva je priroda unije (da li je u pitanju realna ili personalna unija). Da li od 1102. pogibijom poslednjeg hrvatskog kralja Petra Svačića Hrvatska izgubila svoju državnost, ili nastavila da postoji (Hrvati se hvale svojom tisućuljetnom poviješću i da je od 1102. godine ugarski kralj Koloman postao hrvatski kralj). Opet, smatra se da je pogibijom poslednjeg hrvatskog kralja Petra Svačića na Petrovoj gori Hrvatska izgubila svoju državnost.--Grofazzo (разговор) 00:54, 14. мај 2008. (CEST)
thread_title:  O mapama 

message: Овај чланак захтева поуздане рецензиране изворе како би се тема чланка представила квалитетно и објективно. Препорука је да то буду извори доступни на сајту GoogleBooks. Погледајте Википедија:Навођење извора--Autobot (разговор) 08:33, 17. октобар 2013. (CEST)
thread_title:  Садржај чланка 

message: Наслов чланка је дефинитивно неодржив, пошто се формулација "Хрватска у унији са Угарском" у општем смислу може односити на читаво раздобље од 1102. до 1918. године, а чланак је намењен само за време од 1102. до 1526. године. Стога предлажем наслов: "Краљевина Хрватска (1102-1526)" или "Историја Хрватске (1102-1526)" или просто: "Хрватска (1102-1526)". Сорабино 03:46, 28. јун 2016. (CEST)
* Допуна: Пошто се овај чланак односи само на раздобље од 1102. до 1526. године, када је званични државни назив гласио: "Regnum Dalmatiae et Croatiae" (Краљевина Далмација и Хрватска), неопходно је извршити усклађивање садашњег наслова са садржајем самог чланка и стварним државним називом. Сорабино (разговор) 03:23, 1. децембар 2018. (CET)
thread_title:  Спорни наслов