विकिपीडियासम्भाषणम्:प्रशासकानां निर्वाचनम्/पुरालेखः १

message: PLACE A REQUEST HERE TO GET BUREAUCRAT ACCESS

message: |status=not done
I am already a administrator here. We have only one Bureaucrat that too not active. I need this post to grant some rights. Some Bot status has to be also given. Vaibhav Jain १०:३५, २८ एप्रिल् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: Bot status? I didn't get you. If you mean bot approval, I think the people from meta are taking care of it. Yes Michael? •Talk ११:१५, २८ एप्रिल् २०११ (UTC)

text: There are many bots still waiting for approval and they can be really good for this Wiki. There are only 14 bots here but bhojpuri wiki, which is smaller than the sanskrit wiki, has 20 bots. I have seen Only Pathoschild giving bot approval, that also sometimes. The Bot Approval Group is not to big that it can have a look on every wiki. Vaibhav Jain ११:२९, २८ एप्रिल् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :I don't think we need a second Bureaucrat yet. The community is almost miniscule. Yes Michael? •Talk ११:३४, २८ एप्रिल् २०११ (UTC)

text: You are right. Thats why I have left the Main page unprotected. You can write your opinion on the oppose tab. Vaibhav Jain ११:३९, २८ एप्रिल् २०११ (UTC)
=== Support ===
=== Oppose ===
#Oppose. Per reason given above. Yes Michael? •Talk ११:४८, २८ एप्रिल् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title:  Vibhijain 

thread_title:  Support 

message: #Oppose. Per reason given above. Yes Michael? •Talk ११:४८, २८ एप्रिल् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

message: |status=not done
It is the request of removing योजकः:HPN from BUREAUCRAT ACCESS. He is inactive from a long time. Vaibhav Jain १२:३२, २ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
=== SUPPORT ===
=== OPPOSE ===
*Er, I don't see why he should be removed. Just because he is inactive? Absolutely no criteria for removal. He was instrumental in setting up this Wikipedia in the first place. Vaibhav, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please consult other editors before making such radical proposals. Yes Michael? •Talk १२:४३, २ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: Its just a proposal, he is not removed till now. Vaibhav Jain १२:४४, २ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
*Let him be one, what is the harm? We need to concentrate on building content here. - रामप्रियः १४:१२, २ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :This proposal is highly inappropriate. Theo10011 १५:३३, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: This request is closed. Requests are there for administrator. Vaibhav Jain १५:३८, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title:  REMOVAL OF HPN 

thread_title:  SUPPORT 

message: *Er, I don't see why he should be removed. Just because he is inactive? Absolutely no criteria for removal. He was instrumental in setting up this Wikipedia in the first place. Vaibhav, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please consult other editors before making such radical proposals. Yes Michael? •Talk १२:४३, २ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: Its just a proposal, he is not removed till now. Vaibhav Jain १२:४४, २ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
*Let him be one, what is the harm? We need to concentrate on building content here. - रामप्रियः १४:१२, २ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :This proposal is highly inappropriate. Theo10011 १५:३३, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: This request is closed. Requests are there for administrator. Vaibhav Jain १५:३८, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title:  OPPOSE 

message: |status=not done
This is my new request. I think the community has grown a lot and due to the affiliation with Samskrita Bharati and to manage it we need a crat. I am already a sysop here.
एतद मम नव पुनरावेदन। संस्कृत विकिपीडिया एकः प्रशासक प्रयोजनम् अस्ति। Vaibhav Jain १६:१०, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
===समर्थन===
===विरोधं===
1. Pardon me if I sound too harsh, but you have been just made admin!! and you want to be a crat already?. I don't think you are ready yet for crat. - रामप्रियः १६:२५, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your opinion. I added this one the remark made by Theo10011. Vaibhav Jain १६:२९, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
2. I echo Harshavs. Your judgement in administrative actions have been quite suspect. I don't think you are ready yet. Yes Michael? •Talk १६:३२, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
3 Vaibhav you have not so experienced as an Admin, you are using this sysop tool since two month, To have crat Bit it is genearally prefered to have atleast 1 year experience with that project.And for any affilation with samskrit bharti you can manage it as an administrator bcoz bureaucrat is not an official post of wikipedia, you can talk them as an adminitrator of sa wikipedia as many english wikipedians(admins) do.I shall prefer to see you just six month later with some good experiece and this proposal then i will surely support you.--Mayur १६:३५, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
4.Sorry Vaibhav, but you are new to request a crat flag, I've said the same thing to you on Meta when you requested crat and oversight rights a few weeks ago from stewards. You are barely a few months old on Wikimedia projects, I like your enthusiasm but you need at least an year of work before you should get sysops. All of us had to wait for months, and learn how a wiki works and how to follow policy before we requested such flags. I really hope you can be a bit patient and learn first, before you request flags on sa.wiki or any other wiki. Just be patient and keep up the good work. Theo10011 १७:५५, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title:  Vibhijain  

thread_title: समर्थन

message: 1. Pardon me if I sound too harsh, but you have been just made admin!! and you want to be a crat already?. I don't think you are ready yet for crat. - रामप्रियः १६:२५, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your opinion. I added this one the remark made by Theo10011. Vaibhav Jain १६:२९, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
2. I echo Harshavs. Your judgement in administrative actions have been quite suspect. I don't think you are ready yet. Yes Michael? •Talk १६:३२, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
3 Vaibhav you have not so experienced as an Admin, you are using this sysop tool since two month, To have crat Bit it is genearally prefered to have atleast 1 year experience with that project.And for any affilation with samskrit bharti you can manage it as an administrator bcoz bureaucrat is not an official post of wikipedia, you can talk them as an adminitrator of sa wikipedia as many english wikipedians(admins) do.I shall prefer to see you just six month later with some good experiece and this proposal then i will surely support you.--Mayur १६:३५, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
4.Sorry Vaibhav, but you are new to request a crat flag, I've said the same thing to you on Meta when you requested crat and oversight rights a few weeks ago from stewards. You are barely a few months old on Wikimedia projects, I like your enthusiasm but you need at least an year of work before you should get sysops. All of us had to wait for months, and learn how a wiki works and how to follow policy before we requested such flags. I really hope you can be a bit patient and learn first, before you request flags on sa.wiki or any other wiki. Just be patient and keep up the good work. Theo10011 १७:५५, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title: विरोधं

message: On hold
संस्कृत विकिपीडिय समुदायप्रति मम निवॆदनम्। अहम् यस्मिन् विकिपीडियॆ अत्युन्नत सॆवा करणार्थम् प्रशासक भवतुम् इच्छामि। यदि अहम् वः अभिप्रायॆ यॊग्यवान् अस्मि तदा मया समर्थनम् यच्छन्तु।
This is my humble request to all of you. On request of fellow editors MikeLynch and Vibhijain, I have chosen to become/request for becoming a bureaucrat. I hope to be more active and contribute more to this Wikipedia. - रामप्रियः १९:२६, २३ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: I request this to be put on hold till the RfC on meta regarding bureaucrats comes to a close, which is expected to be in a few days. Rao7 •Talk ०९:४९, २४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
===समर्थन===
* Strong Support as Nominator Remember that you have no exprince with sysop tools so first just test them. Please come here {channel=#wikipedia-sa} so we can just discuss some topics. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ०९:५१, २४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
===विरोधं===
thread_title:  रामप्रियः (Harshavs)  

message: * Strong Support as Nominator Remember that you have no exprince with sysop tools so first just test them. Please come here {channel=#wikipedia-sa} so we can just discuss some topics. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ०९:५१, २४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title: समर्थन

thread_title: विरोधं

message: I request removal of HPN from crats as:
* Inactive from 5 years
* Made MikeLynch a crat without community consensus (The problem is not that MikeLynch was made the crat, He should had told the community first)
As both of these reasons are sufficient reasons for removal of crat and admin rights, I request the community to present their views below.
I also request the removal of HPN and Eukesh from admins as they are inactive. This will help other users to have a more accurate stats of our wiki. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १३:३५, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
I have renamed पुष्ट सदस्य user group to पूर्व प्रबंधक. We can add these two users to this group as a sign of respect. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १३:४५, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
=== Support ===
#  Strong Support as Nominator ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १३:३५, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
#  Support, There is no advantage of keeping Very Inactive admins.However for a mark of respect they should be added to "former admin" user group and they should be returned they right when they get active on that wiki.Inactive admins are usually remove in en, it and de Wiki.We also removed around 18 inactive admins and added them to "former admin" user group in hi wikipedia. By Such policy we can give chance a good and active user to become an admin on respective project otherwise there may be a large list of inactive admins one day, However there is no harm in this but password of such user account may get hacked that's why en, de, it and hi wiki generally removed very inactive admins.You can see Hindi Wiki policy for removing Inactive admins which also cites link of some other wiki projects--Mayur १३:५८, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
	
replies: text: :Comment: In enwiki, inactive admins are not deflagged, and in wikis like dewiki, they have a standard policy locally which says that inactive admins are deflagged. Raise a thread in the Village Pump, saying that you want to propose such a policy, and then I can support this. Rao7 •Talk १४:२३, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: ::I just said, a very inactive user are removed in en wiki, stewards log is an example of it, and also see jimbo wales log of removal of user groups.However i do agree that it rarely happen on en wiki. But what is the advantage of keeping inactive users admin flag alive, I share you same problem in hi Wiki.I hindi wiki many good users came and contributed a lot then they nominated themself for adminship, offcourse they were elected but as soon as they were promoted, they suddenly disappeared and We had 25 admins at a stage, out of them only 4 were active, Some more users were also requesting to become admins but as we had a large list over active user they were not promoted.At the end we made our user policy like that.for a mark of respect we made former admin user group and add all inactive admin to this group.--Mayur १४:३६, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :::Yeah, I've heard about that on hiwiki. But we need to have a local policy which dictates such affairs. Let us develop such a policy. Rao7 •Talk १४:४६, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Yeah, that sounds good, but in absence of such user policy inactive sysop may be removed on behalf of community consensus.I am not against both sysop but I am against the tendency to leave a wiki project after being an admin there.--Mayur १४:५२, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :::::Agree with you Mayur, but it shouldn't really be evaluated on a case by case basis. We should have a policy like: If an admin is inactive for X months or more, then there is the provision to deflag him/her. We can probably derive some of the points from similar policies on other wikis, but we cannot apply those policies here directly. Doing so is only fair, and uniformity will be maintained. After that, I will be ready to change my !vote to support. Rao7 •Talk १४:५८, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::::fr:Wikipédia:Prise de décision/Administrateur/Suspension et retrait du statut en cas d'inactivité prolongée ou de démission would be a good example upon which we can build upon. Rao7 •Talk १५:२७, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
=== Oppose ===
# I think you should stop obsessing about admin and crat rights for people, including yourself. There is no policy which criminalises inactive admins as such. And you speak about sufficient reasons. Would you mind explaining? On some Wikipedias, inactive sysops are deflagged, but such policies require prior consensus. Rao7 •Talk १३:४८, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: De flagging admins do not means insult. We can add them to पूर्व प्रबंधक group. That would be a sign of respect. And th second reason that I gave is sufficient for directly requesting stewards for removing the flag. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १३:५७, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :Please direct me to a policy which says that there should not be inactive sysops. Rao7 •Talk १४:००, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: According to this, a inactive admin may not be deflagged if h has gone for a break, but both HPN and Eukesh are active on their home wiki, this means that they r not more interested for adminship on this wiki. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:०८, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :I meant a local policy. Not enwiki policies. Rao7 •Talk १४:२४, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: : If they are active, please get them to comment on this then. We might not even want to decide then.

text: :1. One they might want to retire voluntarily.
2. They become active by virtue of coming here, then we no longer need this poll. I had like them to do this and continue contributing here as well. - रामप्रियः सम्भाषणम् १४:१३, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: Also if a crat is not capable to explain the reasoning for their actions on request and in a civil manner, he can be removed from crats. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:११, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: I contacted HPN on Google Talk but he didn't replied. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:३९, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :Let us not have such rationale. We cannot conclude anything just by that; people have lives. In the absence of a local policy, this request for deflagging is baseless. Build a local policy, and then we have a solid base to discuss this. Rao7 •Talk १४:४९, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: ::In absence of such user policy, inactive sysop may be removed on behalf of community consensus.I am not against both sysop but I am against the tendency to leave a wiki project after being an admin there.Also as vaibhav said that HPN misused his crat tool, he added Mike in crat group without prior permission or consensus of community, if this is true then this is a serious issue.--Mayur १४:५६, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: STRONG OPPOSE AFAIK, inactivity is NOT a reason for somebody to lose rights. Had that been the case, I'd have lost Rollback rights on the English Wikipedia almost a year ago. --Rsrikanth05 ११:००, ७ जून् २०११ (UTC)

text: STRONG OPPOSE vide R Srikanth05. This whole business seems like megalomania to me. Mayur and Vibhi seem intent on wresting control of Sanskrit Wikipedia. AshLin १४:१४, ७ जून् २०११ (UTC)

text: COMMENT Looks like consensus sais NO. Sorry Mayur, Vibhi, I think you both need to concentrate on building the community first.  Try something out like what WE did,a s Non admins and Non Samskrit guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academy/India/2010/Bangalore1 If you can emulate the success, great, if you still harp and hanker about getting rid of Hari, then Forget it. --Rsrikanth05 १०:१४, १० जून् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title:  REMOVAL OF HPN 

message: #  Strong Support as Nominator ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १३:३५, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
#  Support, There is no advantage of keeping Very Inactive admins.However for a mark of respect they should be added to "former admin" user group and they should be returned they right when they get active on that wiki.Inactive admins are usually remove in en, it and de Wiki.We also removed around 18 inactive admins and added them to "former admin" user group in hi wikipedia. By Such policy we can give chance a good and active user to become an admin on respective project otherwise there may be a large list of inactive admins one day, However there is no harm in this but password of such user account may get hacked that's why en, de, it and hi wiki generally removed very inactive admins.You can see Hindi Wiki policy for removing Inactive admins which also cites link of some other wiki projects--Mayur १३:५८, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
	
replies: text: :Comment: In enwiki, inactive admins are not deflagged, and in wikis like dewiki, they have a standard policy locally which says that inactive admins are deflagged. Raise a thread in the Village Pump, saying that you want to propose such a policy, and then I can support this. Rao7 •Talk १४:२३, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: ::I just said, a very inactive user are removed in en wiki, stewards log is an example of it, and also see jimbo wales log of removal of user groups.However i do agree that it rarely happen on en wiki. But what is the advantage of keeping inactive users admin flag alive, I share you same problem in hi Wiki.I hindi wiki many good users came and contributed a lot then they nominated themself for adminship, offcourse they were elected but as soon as they were promoted, they suddenly disappeared and We had 25 admins at a stage, out of them only 4 were active, Some more users were also requesting to become admins but as we had a large list over active user they were not promoted.At the end we made our user policy like that.for a mark of respect we made former admin user group and add all inactive admin to this group.--Mayur १४:३६, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :::Yeah, I've heard about that on hiwiki. But we need to have a local policy which dictates such affairs. Let us develop such a policy. Rao7 •Talk १४:४६, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Yeah, that sounds good, but in absence of such user policy inactive sysop may be removed on behalf of community consensus.I am not against both sysop but I am against the tendency to leave a wiki project after being an admin there.--Mayur १४:५२, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :::::Agree with you Mayur, but it shouldn't really be evaluated on a case by case basis. We should have a policy like: If an admin is inactive for X months or more, then there is the provision to deflag him/her. We can probably derive some of the points from similar policies on other wikis, but we cannot apply those policies here directly. Doing so is only fair, and uniformity will be maintained. After that, I will be ready to change my !vote to support. Rao7 •Talk १४:५८, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::::fr:Wikipédia:Prise de décision/Administrateur/Suspension et retrait du statut en cas d'inactivité prolongée ou de démission would be a good example upon which we can build upon. Rao7 •Talk १५:२७, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: # I think you should stop obsessing about admin and crat rights for people, including yourself. There is no policy which criminalises inactive admins as such. And you speak about sufficient reasons. Would you mind explaining? On some Wikipedias, inactive sysops are deflagged, but such policies require prior consensus. Rao7 •Talk १३:४८, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: De flagging admins do not means insult. We can add them to पूर्व प्रबंधक group. That would be a sign of respect. And th second reason that I gave is sufficient for directly requesting stewards for removing the flag. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १३:५७, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :Please direct me to a policy which says that there should not be inactive sysops. Rao7 •Talk १४:००, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: According to this, a inactive admin may not be deflagged if h has gone for a break, but both HPN and Eukesh are active on their home wiki, this means that they r not more interested for adminship on this wiki. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:०८, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :I meant a local policy. Not enwiki policies. Rao7 •Talk १४:२४, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: : If they are active, please get them to comment on this then. We might not even want to decide then.

text: :1. One they might want to retire voluntarily.
2. They become active by virtue of coming here, then we no longer need this poll. I had like them to do this and continue contributing here as well. - रामप्रियः सम्भाषणम् १४:१३, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: Also if a crat is not capable to explain the reasoning for their actions on request and in a civil manner, he can be removed from crats. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:११, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: I contacted HPN on Google Talk but he didn't replied. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:३९, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: :Let us not have such rationale. We cannot conclude anything just by that; people have lives. In the absence of a local policy, this request for deflagging is baseless. Build a local policy, and then we have a solid base to discuss this. Rao7 •Talk १४:४९, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
replies: text: ::In absence of such user policy, inactive sysop may be removed on behalf of community consensus.I am not against both sysop but I am against the tendency to leave a wiki project after being an admin there.Also as vaibhav said that HPN misused his crat tool, he added Mike in crat group without prior permission or consensus of community, if this is true then this is a serious issue.--Mayur १४:५६, ३० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

text: STRONG OPPOSE AFAIK, inactivity is NOT a reason for somebody to lose rights. Had that been the case, I'd have lost Rollback rights on the English Wikipedia almost a year ago. --Rsrikanth05 ११:००, ७ जून् २०११ (UTC)

text: STRONG OPPOSE vide R Srikanth05. This whole business seems like megalomania to me. Mayur and Vibhi seem intent on wresting control of Sanskrit Wikipedia. AshLin १४:१४, ७ जून् २०११ (UTC)

text: COMMENT Looks like consensus sais NO. Sorry Mayur, Vibhi, I think you both need to concentrate on building the community first.  Try something out like what WE did,a s Non admins and Non Samskrit guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academy/India/2010/Bangalore1 If you can emulate the success, great, if you still harp and hanker about getting rid of Hari, then Forget it. --Rsrikanth05 १०:१४, १० जून् २०११ (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose