Обсуждение:Скаржинские

message: Очередной род, представители которого пытаются себя объявить Рюриковичами. В качестве источника на утверждения используются ДНК-тесты, но первая ссылка — это не АИ (да и не существует больше этого сайта), вторая — вообще реклама ДНК-тестов. Из того, что я знаю, простого наличия гаплогруппы недостаточно для того, чтобы считаться принадлежащим к какому-то роду. Даже для того, чтобы гипотезу добавить, нужен какой-то вторичный АИ, так что пока эта информация попадает под правило ВП:МАРГ. Я её закомментировал пока что.-- Vladimir Solovjev обс 09:27, 7 августа 2023 (UTC)
*Seems like you know very little about DNA. This article would be crap had I not gotten involved.-- Mechanized Battalion
*  для пользы дела я на секунда нарушу нашу договорённость и попрошу вас заблокировать участника , который уже более года занимается вставками машинных переводов с английского и украинского языков в статьи Скаржинские и эскадрон Скаржинского, чем портит обе. — Apr1 (обс.) 04:57, 29 августа 2023 (UTC)
** You mean I actually created informative articles. Now they are crap. Congratulations on a job well done. Hope I can be like you when I grow up. Mechanized battalion (обс.) 22:22, 29 августа 2023 (UTC)
* Ну и это высказывание: «This article would be crap had I not gotten involved.» можно засчитать за дополнительный повод. — Apr1 (обс.) 04:58, 29 августа 2023 (UTC)
** I am a descendant living in the West trying to honor my ancestors. Nothing more. You should respect the bloodlines of a family who has shed its blood for Russia. Some of us(Nikolai) died in the process. In return the Czar Catherine rewarded our family. Future Russian governments would take all of our rewards/assets away Mechanized battalion (обс.) 13:02, 29 августа 2023 (UTC)
*** Ответьте на вопрос: вы знаете русский язык настолько, чтобы писать статьи на русском? А то вы постоянно отвечаете на английском. Vladimir Solovjev обс 06:33, 30 августа 2023 (UTC)
**** You just decided after a year that it's a problem? Mechanized battalion (обс.) 07:52, 30 августа 2023 (UTC)
**** But you are correct. I can not speak Russian. Mechanized battalion (обс.) 18:16, 30 августа 2023 (UTC)
** Could you add this to the article please? The Skarzynski line produced two other Russian Major Generals Vasily Anastasievich Skarzhinsky(1834-1914) and Nikolai Yegorovich Skarzhinsky(1849-1910). Mechanized battalion (обс.) 22:37, 13 сентября 2023 (UTC)
* Я их уже добавил ещё в прошлый раз. В общий список членов семьи Скаржинских в конце статьи:
* Скаржинский Василий Анастасьевич — генерал-майор (1884)
* Скаржинский Николай Георгиевич (1849–1910) — генерал-майор (1901). 
Даты жизни Василия Скаржинского, которые вы указали, добавлю. — Apr1 (обс.) 06:41, 15 сентября 2023 (UTC)
* вам, возможно, будет интересно: 1, 2. — Apr1 (обс.) 06:45, 15 сентября 2023 (UTC)
** Nice. Thanks for sharing. Mechanized battalion (обс.) 23:17, 15 сентября 2023 (UTC)
* Add this to the article?
* During World War 1, Russian soldier Lieutenant Ignatiy Skarzhinsky was awarded the Order of Saint Anna IV degree with the inscription "For bravery", Order of Saint Vladimir, Equal-to-the-Apostles, IV degree with swords and bow. He served in the 150th Taman Infantry Regiment.
* During World War 1, Russian soldier Lieutenant Anastasiy Skarzhinsky was awarded the Order of Saint Catherine and the Order of Saint Anna of the II degree. He served in the Kyiv Military District.
* During World War 1, Russian soldier Vasiliy Skarzhinsky was awarded the Order of Saint Stanislaus III class and the Order of Saint Catherine. He served in the Russian 44th Army Corps.
* During World War 1, Russian soldier Bronislav Skarzhinsky was awarded Order of Saint Catherine and Order of Saint Stanislaus III degree.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Nikolay Vladimirovich Skarzhinsky was awarded the Order of Glory, for bravery, during combat operations.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Ivan Zakharovich Skarzhinsky took part in the Battle of Berlin. He was killed in action.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Matvey Isaakovich Skarzhinsky was awarded the military decoration Medal "For Battle Merit" during World War Two.
* During World War Two, Vsevolod Vladimirovich Skarzhinsky was awarded the Order of the Red Star and the Medal "For Courage."
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Stanislav Yanovich Skarzhinsky was awarded the Order of the Red Star and Medal "For Battle Merit" during World War Two.
* Soviet Marine Corporal Grigoriy Vasilevich Skarzhinsky took part in the Siege of Leningrad during World War Two.
* In 1944, Soviet soldier Dmitriy Frantsevich Skarzhinsky was awarded Order of the Red Star.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Nikolay Ivanovich Skarzhinsky was awarded military decorations Medal "For Courage"", Order of the Red Star (3), and Order of Glory 3rd degree.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Colonel Evgeniy Ignatievich Skarzhinsky was awarded the Order of the Red Banner three times, Order of Red Star three times, and the Medal "For Military Merit" two times. He served in the Battle of Stalingrad,Belgrade offensive and Siege of Budapest.
* In 1945, Soviet soldier Junior Sergeant Anatoly Ivanovich Skarzhinsky was awarded military decoration Medal "For Courage" (Russia). Anatoly captured 42 Nazi soldiers during a combat operation. He took part in the Battle of the Dnieper and the Battle of Kiev (1943).
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Ivan Filippovich Skarzhinsky was awarded combat decoration Medal "For Battle Merit". He served with the 1st Ukrainian Front, 95th Guards Rifle Division. He participated in many of the major battles of the Eastern Front including the Battle of Berlin. He also served in the largest tank battle in history known as the Battle of Kursk and the famous Battle of Prokhorovka.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Senior Lieutenant Ivan Aleksandrovich Skarzhinsky served in the 1st Guards Motor Rifle Division. He participated at the Battle for Moscow among others. He was wounded in battle. He also participated in the Continuation war against Finland.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Private Ivan Romanovich Skarzhinsky was killed during combat operations while serving in the Soviet 214th Rifle Division.
* During World War Two, Soviet Senior Sergeant Vladimir Igorovich Skarzhinsky served with the 46th Guards Rifle Division. He was awarded Order of Glory Third Class, Medal "For Courage", and Medal "For the Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941–1945." He served in Operation Bagration. During this operation, the Soviet Union would destroy 28 German divisions destroying German Army Group Center. It is the largest defeat in German military history.
* During World War Two, Soviet Junior Sergeant Lavrentiy Lukich Skarzhinsky was award military decoration Order of the Red Star while serving with the 1st Ukrainian Front participating in many major combat operations including the Battle of Berlin. He served under legendary Soviet generals Georgy Zhukov and Ivan Konev.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Luka A. Skarzhinsky served in the Soviet Union's 6th Guards Army. He served at the Battle of Kursk, Belgorod-Kharkov Offensive, Operation Bagration and Courland Pocket.
* During World War Two, Soviet soldier Private Mihail Grigorevich Skarzhinsky served with the Soviet Union's 81st Howitzer Regiment.
* During World War Two, Vasiliy Semenovich Skarzhinsky served with the Soviet 15th Reconnaissance Reserve Aviation Regiment. He is missing in action.
* During World War Two, Private Anatoly Sidorovich Skarzhinsky was taken prisoner, during combat operations, by German forces.
* During World War Two, Corporal Zygmunt Antonovich Skarzhinsky served with the 1st Tadeusz Kościuszko Infantry Division, First Polish Army (1944–1945) where he would be killed during combat operations that liberated Warsaw.
* During World War Two, Soviet Marine Pavel Ivanovich Skarzhinsky served with the Soviet Black Sea Fleet. He went missing in action during the Siege of Sevastopol (1941–1942)
* During World War Two, Private Viktor Pavlovich Skarzhinsky would be captured by German forces while serving with the Soviet 264th Artillery Regiment. He would eventually be released. Mechanized battalion (обс.) 17:49, 27 октября 2023 (UTC)
*  I'm sorry, but why did you decide that all these people are relatives and members of the same family?— Apr1 (обс.) 19:24, 27 октября 2023 (UTC)
** Because they are. We received our name from Polish King for discovery of Skarzyn. Mechanized battalion (обс.) 11:09, 28 октября 2023 (UTC)
** The bloodlines of Pytor, Dmitry, and Mikhail are the same. All the Skarzhinsky who have Y DNA tested have matched. There are more than a few who have tested and are on Yfull. Mechanized battalion (обс.) 11:13, 28 октября 2023 (UTC)
***  Some of these people probably belonged to a noble family, while others did not, and we have no sources to verify this.— Apr1 (обс.) 11:23, 28 октября 2023 (UTC)
**** database of Soviet veterans of World War II (in Russian) 
**** database on victims of political repression in the USSR (in Russian) 
**** Nevertheless, one surname is not enough to assert that all these people are members of the same noble family. However, you may be interested in this information.— Apr1 (обс.) 11:28, 28 октября 2023 (UTC)
***** So where do you think I have gotten much of the data? Who you think "I" am? I did all the work for you. You people over there seem a little lazy. My ancestor in Belarus said they are all relatives. It's a sensitive situation. Some of my ancestors joined the communist party while others opposed it. It is what it is. Mechanized battalion (обс.) 13:06, 28 октября 2023 (UTC)
* We never add endless lists of people to articles about noble families. «My ancestor in Belarus said they are all relatives.»?! :en:Wikipedia:Reliable sources.— Apr1 (обс.) 15:29, 28 октября 2023 (UTC)
** That is not an endless list. You are lazy. Easy to see how you people wrecked two empires. Mechanized battalion (обс.) 18:44, 28 октября 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Генеалогия