Обсуждение:Фокс-Дженовезе, Элизабет

message: «Элизабет выросла в христианской семье, и большую часть своей взрослой жизни она считала себя христианкой. Но в 1995 году она публично обратилась в католицизм[8]»
Католицизм — это христианство. Возможно, подразумевалось иное, но сейчас текст противопоставляет периоды жизни, тогда как противопоставление не просматривается. — Shamash (обс.) 10:18, 3 апреля 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: * Всё дело в чьём-то корявом пересказе источника, где Фокс-Дженовезе написала:  Thus when, in December 1995, I was received into the Catholic Church, my nonbelieving colleagues tactfully refrained from comment, primarily, I suspect, because they literally did not know what to say. More likely than not, many of them assumed that, having lived through some difficult years, I was turning to faith for some form of irrational consolation. Consequently, from their perspective, to acknowledge my conversion would, implicitly, have been to acknowledge my vulnerability. Others, who were less sympathetic, doubtless assumed that my turn to Rome reflected what they viewed as my reactionary politics, notably with respect to abortion. From their perspective, I had exiled myself from acceptable conversation of any kind. [...] For practical purposes, I grew up a non-believing Christian. Wait a minute, you may fairly protest, is that not an oxymoron? How can a nonbeliever describe herself as Christian if faith constitutes the essence of Christianity? [...] Throughout my non-churchgoing, non-believing adult years, I had always considered myself a Christian in the amorphous cultural sense of the world. Having been reared on the Bible and Protestant hymns, I was conversant with the language and basic tenets of Christianity. I had, moreover, been reared with a deep respect for the great Hebrew prophets, assorted Protestant leaders and Catholic saints, and even the unique value of Jesus Christ as the preeminent exemplar of loving self“sacrifice. Never, I am grateful to say, did I, like too many secular intellectuals, denigrate or disdain believing Christians, whom I had always been inclined to regard with respect. But for long years, I did not give much thought to joining their number. [...] As if barring my path to church membership stood the figure of Jesus Christ. The churches I most respected all required that prospective members affirm their personal faith in Christ as Lord and Savior. I did not question the legitimacy of the requirement, but nothing in my previous life seemed to have prepared me to meet it. To the best of my knowledge, I had no personal experience of religious faith and no real grasp of its nature. When I was twenty, André Amar, a brilliant professor of philosophy and a devout Jew, had spoken to me of religion as a realm unto itself, irreducible to any other, and his words had lodged in my mind, but I did not fully understand them. To this day, I cannot point to a single moment of conversion, no blinding light that opened my eyes, no arrow that pierced my heart. Almost imperceptibly, the balance between doubt and faith shifted, and, on one ordinary day, it came to me that I had decided to enter the Catholic Church. It would be easy to think that my decision, however lacking in drama, represented the end of my journey to faith. Instead it marked only the beginning of what is proving to be an adventure I could not previously have imagined. The Sunday after reaching that decision, quietly and alone, I went to Mass at the Cathedral of Christ the King in Atlanta. Both my Catholic-born but at the time unbelieving husband and my devoutly Catholic friend and graduate student, Sheila O’Connor, would happily have accompanied me, but I did not tell them where I was going.  Из текста видно, что хотя она и родилась и выросла в протестантской семье, но долгое время была, выражаясь православным языком, невоцерковлённым человеком. И в стала исповедовать католическое направление в христианстве, вопреки устоявшимся в США секулярным и протестантским настроениям, когда быть католиком, значить оказаться в большинстве мест в меньшинстве. Хотя интересно, что её муж был таким невоцерковлённым человеком-католиком, хотя и родился в католической семье. — Tempus /// ✉️ 13:36, 3 апреля 2021 (UTC)

text: ** Я что-то подобное и предположил, поэтому и написал тут. Shamash (обс.) 18:42, 3 апреля 2021 (UTC)
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