Обсуждение:Юрай Далматинец

message: Please, use valid references and move this nonsensic name to Giorgio Orsini. This man was not a Croat at all.--Luciano di Martino 22:14, 8 мая 2011 (UTC)
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message: True names of this great Italian architect and sculptor are Giorgio Orsini, given at his birth. A wide array of English language references about life and work of this famous Renaissance artist can be queried by simple Google book search 
"Juraj Dalmatinac" is an invented name coming from Croatian writers of the second half of 19th century.
Here is a good selection of references:
↑ Monvmental Dalmatia by Adolfo Venturi, Ettore Pais, and Pompeo Molmenti; Alfieri & Lacroix, 1917, Biography on pages 63-69
↑ Storia dell'arte italiana: Il Trecento e il Quattrocento by Giuseppe Mazzariol, and Terisio Pignatti; Edizioni scolastiche Mondadori, 1961, page 138
↑ A holiday in Umbria: with an account of Urbino and the Cortegiano of Castiglione by Sir Thomas Graham Jackson, J. Murray, 1917, page 38
Giorgio Orsini died in 1475, and, so far as I can ascertain, at Sebenico, where he had a house on the doorway of which he carved the bear, the badge of his family, and the mallet and chisels and other implements of his craft2
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2Illustrated in my Dalmatia, the Quarnero and Istria, vol. i. p. 406.
↑ Delightful Dalmatia by Alice Lee Hornor Moqué; Funk & Wagnalls company, 1914, page 109
But alas, only the doorway now remains of the house which "Michelle Simeonich, a nobleman of Sebenico, sold to Giorgio Orsini for two hundred golden ducats of just and good weight", in the month of June and the year 1455. On the lintel of this old doorway is carved a bear, the heraldic emblem of the great house of Orsini - carved, no doubt, by George's own hand, over this door through which he must have passed so often.
↑ Paintings from the Marches: Gentile to Raphael by Pietro Zampetti; Phaidon, 1971, page 197
↑ Carlo Crivelli by R. W. Lightbown; Yale University Press, 2004 , page 3
↑ The Shores of the Adriatic by F. Hamilton Jackson; Echo Library, 2010, page 179
↑ Transactions of the Royal Institute of British Architects, Royal Institute of British Architects, 1887 page 176
↑ Storia dell'arte italiana, Volume 6 by Adolfo Venturi; U. Hoepli, 1908 page 1017
↑ The shores of the Adriatic, the Austrian side:the Küstenlande, Istria, and Dalmatia by Frederick Hamilton Jackson, E.P. Dutton, 1908 page 249
↑ Italy, a Phaidon cultural guide, Prentice-Hall, Jan 1, 1985, page 35
↑ The Edinburgh review: or critical journal, Volume 167 by Sydney Smith, Lord Francis Jeffrey Jeffrey, Macvey Napier, William Empson, Henry Reeve, Sir George Cornewall Lewis, Arthur Ralph Douglas Elliot (Hon.), Harold Cox, A. Constable, 1888, page 102
↑ Paolo Rumiz (2004-08-14). "Traù, fuga di mezzanotte". La Repubblica. Retrieved 2011-04-25.
↑ Gian Antonio Stella (2000-11-03). "Gli italiani d'Istria litigano con il Vaticano". Corriere della Sera. Retrieved 2011-04-25.
--71.191.19.40 01:16, 20 декабря 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Put your "good" selection in italian wiki. Clearing russian authoritative sources is a vandalism, please do not repeat. Of course, during his live Dalmatinac was known as Orsisi - it is written in the article. But the name of the article in Russian wiki must be taken according authoritative written sources in Russian language. --Andres 06:22, 20 декабря 2011 (UTC)
*I do not see any authoritative "Russian" resources. These nonsenses ( Xорватия. Путеводитель Polyglott. 2004 г. ISBN 5-94161-083-1, etc) are recycling of Croatian nonsense (Fisković С., Juraj Dalmatinac, Zagreb, 1963. ) in both cases into Russian language. To fight nonsense is in full accordance to the Wikipedia guidance, but to shield it, as you did it, is a blatant vandalism.--71.191.19.40 14:42, 20 декабря 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: : "I do not see any authoritative "Russian" resources" - Are you blind? See "Примечания" and read, please, the article БСЭ]. I appeal to administrators about you. --Andres 16:10, 20 декабря 2011 (UTC)
**So how any authority ever could be established on forgeries? "Juraj Dalmatinac" is a fabricated name (second half of 19th century), aimed to "prove" Croatian blood of this famous Italian architect and sculptor. No, I am not blind: you are not Russian at all, so do not call upon "authoritative Russian sources".--71.191.19.40 23:35, 20 декабря 2011 (UTC)
**I'm not Russian? :-))) --Andres 06:56, 21 декабря 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note about "Juraj Dalmatinac"