Dyskusja:Borussia Dortmund

message: Zawodnicy grający w reprezentacjach narodowych - Ivan Perisić został sprzedany do Vfl Wolfsburg
thread_title: Reprezentacje

message: W kadrze BVB na sezon 2008/09 jest Maxi Lopez, który gra w FK Moskwa, a nie w Borussii Dortmund
Zgłosił: Damian 83.30.228.221[odp][?] (dyskusja) 16:21, 8 sie 2008 (CEST)
thread_title:  ze zgłoś błąd 

message: Republika Federalna Niemiec jest również obecną nazwą kraju.(Bundesrepublik Deutschland)po polsku skrót RFN niem.BRD,a więc chociaż oczywiście Niemcy.Ale również RFN,trudno to zugolnikulować.--J.Dygas (dyskusja) 21:57, 19 maj 2011 (CEST)
thread_title:  Nazwa Kraju. 

message: Uwaga czytelnika 84.63.236.228  przeniesiona z artykułu:
replies: text: "Borussia jest klubem wywodzącym się z raczej bogatej klasy średniej" - this is - so far i translated it from polish correctly - definitly wrong. Borussia Dortmund is no middle-class-club, but definitly a working-class club according to its history. The rivalry between Schalke and Dortmund is not caused in any way by a contrast between social classes. Borussia Dortmund and Schalke are both working-class-clubs. The city of Dortmund and so the BVB was strongly influenced by steel industries, coal mining and beer brewing. Borussia Dortmund was founded in a explicit working class area in the North of the city (Borsigplatz) and is strongly connected with the workers of the big steel producing company "Hoesch" in the neighbourhood.
I don´t understand, why the remark, that the BVB is a club for the wealthy middle class, couldn’t be deleted so far. It’s obviously wrong. You can easily find lots of references for the BVB being a working-class-club according to its history, but for being a club for the wealthy middle-class, you won't find even a single one. The rivalry between Dortmund and Schalke is more caused by the similarity of the neighboring clubs than of any differences. Although the fans of both club don´t like this fact. But both clubs were founded in explicit working-class areas of their cities. So the rivalry is mainly caused by the fact, that the two clubs are the most successful and best supported clubs of the same region (Ruhr), which is throughout a working-class dominated region with a common identity. If one single incident for the growing rivalry could be mentioned, than the so called “Bundesliga-Skandal” (Bundesliga-Scandal) in the year 1971: Some Schalke players got money for losing a game against Arminia Bielefeld and were later brought to court. So some fans of the BVB still call Schalke, by avoiding the name of the rival, “FC Meineid” (“FC Perjury”). 
So please correct your article. A correct article in the polish Wikipedia version is especially in the case of Borussia Dortmund important. Not only because of the interest in the club by many Poles, mainly caused by the polish players today. The BVB has also a strong history of players with polish descent in previous times, which are still legends of the club and heroes of the fans. (Kwiatkowski, Michallek, Tilkowski, just to mention three) This has to do with polish immigration up the 19th century to the whole region of Ruhr. (Not only in Dortmund polish family names are very common, take a look in the phone book, you´ll easily find a lots of them.)
thread_title:  Rywalizacja lokalna