Dyskusja:Islas Santanilla

message: Hi, do not change data about area of Islas Santanilla (The Swan Islands). Check it first, please. You can look at Encyclopedia Bitannica, or at swanislands.com. I have repaired your edits at pl:wiki Jacek555 (Diskussion) 12:42, 11. Nov. 2015 (CET)
replies: text: Sorry, 8 km² are dead wrong. Don't use reputable sources when it's obvious that they are dead wrong. Use the area measuring tool on Here Satellite Image Viewer and measure yourself. I measured:
* Cisne Grande 2,57 km²
* Cisne Pequeño 1,11 km²
* El Cayo Pájaro Bobo 0,01 km²

text: Try it yourself and tell me your areas. Greetings--Ratzer (Diskussion) 13:35, 11. Nov. 2015 (CET)
replies: text: : Ratzer, I have no need to measure the surface of the islands at the site you indicated. First of all, the use of such a method would violate the principle of not using "No original research" (WP:OR /Keine Theoriefindung), and we have an obligation to rely on sources of good reputation. In other words, we apply the principle of "Verifiability, not absolute truth". As a result of your rewerts I asked the pl:wiki community (here, and here) to confirm the correctness of the position. None of the panelists did not support your position as correct (1, 2). I can add that the method you proposed can't take into account the variability resulting from tides (Gezeiten) – if you would measure along the sea shelf you would get result 8km. In summary, I restore the correct version for pl: wiki and ia have to ask you to respect the findings of our community. I am afraid that other language versions of Wiki are based on the same principles. So the versions based on the information based on the Encyclopedia Brittanica should be restored. Greetings, Jacek555  ✉  09:29, 15 lis 2015 (CET)
replies: text: ::Although cartometry is not original research in my opinion (maps, also online maps, are reliable sources of information that may be measured from them), I tried to find scientific publications with the area of the Swan Islands. The obviously wrong 8 km² is widespread and hard to eradicate. I don't know where it originated, but it has multiplied through the internet. But here is a scientific publication that states: Islas del Cisne (the Swan Islands) are two adjacent islands totaling less than 4 km² in area, located about 180 km north of Honduras, the closest land.: Peter Spendelow: Starvation of a Flock of Chimney Swifts on a Very Small Caribbean Island. In: The Auk, Vol. 102, No. 2 (Apr., 1985), pp. 387-388 (available through JSTOR, for those who have access or pay for the article). I can send you the PDF if you like. Greetings,--Ratzer (Diskussion) 13:55, 16. Nov. 2015 (CET)

text: ::I'm also trying to find this book from 1926 about the islands and see if it has area figures in it. Greetings,--Ratzer (Diskussion) 14:16, 16. Nov. 2015 (CET)

text: ::Meanwhile, I exchanged the unreferenced area figures for the larger and the smaller islands with referenced ones (there not identified by name, but by coordinates). Greetings,--Ratzer (Diskussion) 15:35, 16. Nov. 2015 (CET)
thread_title:  Swan Islands area 

message: The Swan Islands area in Britannica was changed to 1.6 square miles (4 square km) after I asked them about their source of the 8 km², indicating that I found a scientific publication stating less than 4 km², an area which also comparison with satellite images and maps suggest. The Britannica editor wrote to me: Thank you for providing feedback on the Britannica article “Swan Islands.” Upon review, our editors have determined that 4 square km is indeed a more-accurate figure for the total area of the Swan Islands. We have now revised the article accordingly, as you can see at http://www.britannica.com/place/Swan-Islands. We greatly appreciate your help in improving the quality of the information on our site. In acknowledgment, we’ve credited you as a contributor to the article.
P.S. The other previously cited source, http://www.swanislands.com, is not a reputable source, IMHO. I haven't even found a contact mail address on their internet page, also no impressum.--Ratzer (Diskussion) 07:56, 17 lis 2015 (CET)
thread_title:  Swan Islands in Britannica