Dyskusja:Boris Floricic

message: * "Einstweilige Verfügung Tron gegen Wikipedia" (Süddeutsche Zeitung)
** http://www.sueddeutsche.de/,kulm1/kultur/artikel/970/67903/
* "Der Hacker Tron, eine Einstweilige Verfügung gegen Wikipedia" (Telepolis)
** http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/21/21750/1.html
* "Einstweilige Verfügung Tron gegen Wikipedia" (Netzzeitung)
** http://www.netzeitung.de/internet/377381.html
"Einstweilige Verfügung", in english "restraining order" by Law.
thread_title:  Press 

message: Tron, Boris F., Boris F(amilyname), Case-No. 209 C 1015/05 of 12/14/2005, AG Berlin: In the case between the parents of departed Boris F. and Wikimedia Foundation, the Municipal Court of Berlin (Germany) decided on December 14, 2005, that it is forbidden to publish the complete familyname of Boris F. anywhere at WIKIPEDIA.ORG. --IAAL 14:16, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
Taka uwaga: o ile wiem, w Polsce nie ma możliwości zakazania rozpowszechniania już opublikowanych prawdziwych informacji, dotyczących osób publicznych. Pojęcia osoby względnie publicznej, jak w Niemczech, nie ma. Shaqspeare 14:30, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
replies: text: German courts have no jurisdiction whatsoever over Wikipedia - the servers are in Florida, so to forbid anything they'd have to go to an American court. Ausir 15:41, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
replies: text: : You are correct, however the polish website about Boris F. with his _complete_ familyname is accessable in Berlin (Germany). The German Court said "no complete familyname anywhere at WIKIPEDIA.ORG" (which enclosure also PL.wikipedia.org). :-( My idea was - temporary - to shorten the familyname to "Boris F." and after the final decision of the German Court, we will see how to continue here. :-) --IAAL 16:38, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
replies: text: ::Well, it is really not our problem that the website is accessible in Germany. So is the article swastyka which features images forbidden in Germany. Neither Polish Wikipedia, nor English Wikipedia and even neither German Wikipedia are subject to German courts, since they're hosted on American servers - as far as law is concerned, they're just German language, Polish language and English language American encyclopedias. Ausir 17:00, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
thread_title:  Amtsgericht Berlin 

message: :Nach meinem Wissen, sind die Berliner Gerichte nicht für die poln. Wikipedia zuständig. Shaqspeare 14:28, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
replies: text: : Die polnische Wikipedia (mit dem vollen Familiennamen) ist in Berlin erreichbar, das reicht (leider) dem Berliner Gericht aus. Meine Idee: Auf "Boris F." aendern, und spaeter koennen wir nach der endgueltigen Entscheidung den vollstaendigen Familienname wieder reinbauen. --IAAL 16:32, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
thread_title:  Berliner Gerichte 

message: Hello. Can you please be so kind and translate the following text from english to polish? I am not so very good in the interesting polish language. I can also translate from english to german, if german->polish would be better for you. Thank you very much. Here the very short text:
thread_title:  Translation from english to polish 

message: So, here we are..., check it out by yourself: http://www.wikipedia.de/ Thats crazy...  --IAAL 20:08, 19 sty 2006 (CET)
thread_title:  WIKIPEDIA.DE is now down 

message: === The 1st restraining order by the German Municipal Court of Berlin: ===
* Mr. Attorney-at-law Friedrich Kurz ("Creative Law", cp. ) plead the parents' case. After the cryptic death of Boris F., who was find suspended on a tree in Berlin, the parents and family - with all the pains they have been in deep mourning because of loosing their child - the parents do not want the complete familyname being published anywhere at wikipedia.org. The nickname Tron with its article is allowed to be kept at wikipedia, however not the complete familyname because of touching all familymembers. This wish can be respected.
* The Wikimedia Foundation, some german admins of wikipedia.org have ignored this wish of the parents. This is the reason why the German Municipal Court of Berlin was called.
* The Municipal Court of Berlin (Germany), cp. , filed the restraining order on December 14, 2005. The main negotiation can then be done in quiet hours while the hearing before there will exist a final decision. The restraining order itself is only a temporarily solution. Only the best lawyers are allowed to become a District Court Judge in Germany.
* Because of ignoring the 1st restraining order, following german administrators of Wikipedia are potentially responsible for damages: de:C.Löser, de:Ernstl, de:Gunfighter-6, de:Steschke, de:Mathias_Schindler, de:Fuzzy, de:DaB., de:Holger_Thölking, de:Darina, de:JD, de:Andim, de:PDD, de:Historiograf, de:Tout%C3%ADor%C3%AEx, de:Henristosch, de:-jha-, de:Srittau, cp. 
=== The 2nd restraining order by the German Municipal Court of Berlin: ===
* Mr. Attorney-at-law Friedrich Kurz ("Creative Law", cp. ) plead the parents' case. After the cryptic death of Boris F., who was find suspended on a tree in Berlin, the parents and family - with all the pains they have been in deep mourning because of loosing their child - the parents do not want the forwarding hyperlink be set from the german domainname http://www.wikipedia.de/wiki/Boris_F(amilyname) to the american server http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_F(amilyname). In the context of this technical hyperlink and by forwarding german users to german spoken content is accused by a so called "abetment-disquieter" in the European Law especially by the Federal Court of Justice - as long as the complete familyname plays a role in it.
* Responsible for the domainname WIKIPEDIA.DE is the Wikimedia Germany e.V., cp. whois at , a membership corporation with its domicile in Berlin intenting to make financial profit because of this case. This is the reason why the same one German Municipal Court of Berlin was called.
* The Municipal Court of Berlin (Germany), cp. , filed the restraining order on January 17, 2006. The main negotiation can then be done in quiet hours while the hearing before there will exist a final decision. The restraining order itself is only a temporarily solution. Only the best lawyers are allowed to become a District Court Judge in Germany.
* Because of ignoring the public warning of January 12, 2006, cp. , the Wikimedia Germany e.V. with its members - and not the Wikimedia Foundation Incorperation - is potentially responsible for damages.
A hint of sarcasm in this case is, that - instead of deactiving this only one objectinable hyperlink - the Wikimedia Germany e.V. switched off the complete german forwarding system of all the german articles at the german Wikipedia. Food enough for the press.
=== The 3rd possible restraining order by a German Municipal Court ===
(just writing about this possibility)
=== More detailed information: ===
Tron, Boris F., Boris F(amilyname), Case-No. 209 C 1015/05 of 12/14/2005, AG Berlin: In the case between the parents of departed Boris F. and Wikimedia Foundation, the Municipal Court of Berlin (Germany) decided on December 14, 2005, that it is forbidden to publish the complete familyname of Boris F. anywhere at WIKIPEDIA.ORG. This restraining order has to be respected by everybody. If this decision will be ignored, then the Court will be allowed to impose a fine up to 250,000 Euro or to place under restraint up to 6 months. It is unknown, if Wikimedia Foundation will file an appeal to the Municipal Court of Berlin. According to the german law, filing an appeal will provocate a hearing in Berlin. --IAAL 16:46, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
thread_title:  Viva La Tron: The crazy case and the party to the proceedings 

message: * Mr. Attorney-at-law Friedrich Kurz ("Creative Law", cp. ) plead the parents' case. After the cryptic death of Boris F., who was find suspended on a tree in Berlin, the parents and family - with all the pains they have been in deep mourning because of loosing their child - the parents do not want the complete familyname being published anywhere at wikipedia.org. The nickname Tron with its article is allowed to be kept at wikipedia, however not the complete familyname because of touching all familymembers. This wish can be respected.
* The Wikimedia Foundation, some german admins of wikipedia.org have ignored this wish of the parents. This is the reason why the German Municipal Court of Berlin was called.
* The Municipal Court of Berlin (Germany), cp. , filed the restraining order on December 14, 2005. The main negotiation can then be done in quiet hours while the hearing before there will exist a final decision. The restraining order itself is only a temporarily solution. Only the best lawyers are allowed to become a District Court Judge in Germany.
* Because of ignoring the 1st restraining order, following german administrators of Wikipedia are potentially responsible for damages: de:C.Löser, de:Ernstl, de:Gunfighter-6, de:Steschke, de:Mathias_Schindler, de:Fuzzy, de:DaB., de:Holger_Thölking, de:Darina, de:JD, de:Andim, de:PDD, de:Historiograf, de:Tout%C3%ADor%C3%AEx, de:Henristosch, de:-jha-, de:Srittau, cp.
thread_title:  The 1st restraining order by the German Municipal Court of Berlin: 

message: * Mr. Attorney-at-law Friedrich Kurz ("Creative Law", cp. ) plead the parents' case. After the cryptic death of Boris F., who was find suspended on a tree in Berlin, the parents and family - with all the pains they have been in deep mourning because of loosing their child - the parents do not want the forwarding hyperlink be set from the german domainname http://www.wikipedia.de/wiki/Boris_F(amilyname) to the american server http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_F(amilyname). In the context of this technical hyperlink and by forwarding german users to german spoken content is accused by a so called "abetment-disquieter" in the European Law especially by the Federal Court of Justice - as long as the complete familyname plays a role in it.
* Responsible for the domainname WIKIPEDIA.DE is the Wikimedia Germany e.V., cp. whois at , a membership corporation with its domicile in Berlin intenting to make financial profit because of this case. This is the reason why the same one German Municipal Court of Berlin was called.
* The Municipal Court of Berlin (Germany), cp. , filed the restraining order on January 17, 2006. The main negotiation can then be done in quiet hours while the hearing before there will exist a final decision. The restraining order itself is only a temporarily solution. Only the best lawyers are allowed to become a District Court Judge in Germany.
* Because of ignoring the public warning of January 12, 2006, cp. , the Wikimedia Germany e.V. with its members - and not the Wikimedia Foundation Incorperation - is potentially responsible for damages.
A hint of sarcasm in this case is, that - instead of deactiving this only one objectinable hyperlink - the Wikimedia Germany e.V. switched off the complete german forwarding system of all the german articles at the german Wikipedia. Food enough for the press.
thread_title:  The 2nd restraining order by the German Municipal Court of Berlin: 

message: (just writing about this possibility)
thread_title:  The 3rd possible restraining order by a German Municipal Court 

message: Tron, Boris F., Boris F(amilyname), Case-No. 209 C 1015/05 of 12/14/2005, AG Berlin: In the case between the parents of departed Boris F. and Wikimedia Foundation, the Municipal Court of Berlin (Germany) decided on December 14, 2005, that it is forbidden to publish the complete familyname of Boris F. anywhere at WIKIPEDIA.ORG. This restraining order has to be respected by everybody. If this decision will be ignored, then the Court will be allowed to impose a fine up to 250,000 Euro or to place under restraint up to 6 months. It is unknown, if Wikimedia Foundation will file an appeal to the Municipal Court of Berlin. According to the german law, filing an appeal will provocate a hearing in Berlin. --IAAL 16:46, 17 sty 2006 (CET)
thread_title:  More detailed information: 

message: When will you remove now the complete familyname? --IAAL 20:08, 19 sty 2006 (CET)
replies: text: When will you stop trolling in all language versions? -- 80.139.63.246 00:47, 21 sty 2006 (CET)
replies: text: :Can you prove this: "WIKIPEDIA.DE [...] a membership corporation with its domicile in Berlin intenting to make financial profit because of this case."? I really doubt, in which case Wikimedia Germany should sue whoever was making those false accusations. --Wanted 05:10, 22 sty 2006 (CET)
thread_title:  When will you remove now the complete familyname?