Overleg:Crack (drug)

message: hi.
it is not relevant if crack is a stronger version of cocaine or not to be a hard drug.
you are doing substance-based discrimiation.
npov!
replies: text: any encyclopedia wants refined discrimination to avoid confusion. oscar 11 jul 2005 02:21 (CEST)
it is still discrimination. you can still add content to the crack article. i cannot. or i have to learn nederlands
if you do not have a clue about chemical and political things, leave this article alone!
Als ik het goed begrijp is dit artikel discriminerend omdat het in het Nederlands is en Tribble het daarom niet kan bewerken? Ucucha|... 11 jul 2005 16:48 (CEST)
Misschien eerder omdat Tribble het verkeerd vertaald?, Trible maybe try in English to explain exactly what's wrong with it? henna 11 jul 2005 16:53 (CEST)
Trible, could you please translate in English(or French) exactly what you put on Crack, it's not correct Dutch  i think and none of us understand what you're trying to say.
ok, i try on english:
* it is not logical that an stronger version of something is an harddrug.
** the categorization of drugs is done by human - not by the drug or their process of production

text: Well, to clarify this once and for all: the Dutch sentence says that as crack is a modified form of cocaine and because cocaine is on the list of harddrugs, crack is as well. It does not say that as crack is stronger than cocaine it is a harddrug and cocaine isn't. Tubantia 11 jul 2005 17:45 (CEST)
* since the categorization of crack is done by humans, first we can show up with an date of general criminalisation: 1961 single convention, where nearly every nation has subscribed to that opiates like heroin and cocaine are on. also cannabis is on this opiate list. thereby crack was put on this list lateron too.
* secondly: the logical AND of "is a stronger version of cocaine" AND "is a harddrug" is not objectiv
** it is subjectiv
* "is a stronger version of cocaine" - why???? it was not explained
- on this topic i have asked a friend of me: franjo grotenhermen. he does the international group cannabis as a medicine and is a doctor. he is with me on this logical thinggy. http://www.acmed.org/
* if someone has so much more knowledge of crack than me, you are invited to extend the article - not to falsify it through deletion - thats the wrong way.
* if you have a problem with crack, leave this article alone.
i hope these are enough statements. have a look at the english or german wikipedia pages on crack. they are far more extended than this. since i cannot write nl fluently, i cannot write much in the nl wikipedia
i tried to write:
crack and freebase are versions of cocaine.
It is forbidden because it is on the list of the opiate conferences, which put cocaine on in 1961 ( single convention )
crack is processed with a chemical base like ammoniak.

text: The article already tells you that if you want to produce crack, you should cook cocaine with ammonia. Tubantia 11 jul 2005 17:59 (CEST)
* 1961 single convention, cocaine was forbidden internationally. since crack is done from cocaine, crack is on the list too and thus a hard drug.

text: I must say, I cannot find this convention in the Dutch Wikipedia. As crack is a harddrug, I assume it is illegal as well in the Netherlands. Tubantia 11 jul 2005 17:59 (CEST)
to more precise: crack and freebase are smokeable versions of cocaine.
with a base like natron ( natriumhydrogencarbonat ) the clorid-ion of cocainehydrochlorid ( street cocaine ) is washed out. if you wash out the dirt out of the street cocaine with an organic dissolver you get freebase.

text: I think I do not know enough (anymore) about chemistry and I do not think I have anymore time right now, but I think that someone should be able to translate this in Dutch. Tubantia 11 jul 2005 17:59 (CEST)
thread_title:  Overleg uit 2005 

message: Het artikel crack kan meerdere betekenissen hebben.
*Crack : de drug
*Crack : een (vervangend) stuk programmeer code waar beperkingen van zijn opgeheven ,die over het andere stuk programmeer code heen wordt gezet.
Dit moet dus simpelweg veranderd worden in een doorverwijspagina, want een crack van een computerprogramma is wat anders als de drug crack  --Wim Hamhuis 22 feb 2009 23:17 (CET)
thread_title:  Dit is de nederlandse encyclopedie 

message: Volgende passage heb ik uit de tekst gehaald:
"De gemiddelde gebruiker rookt 2 gram per dag."
Lijkt me nogal veel, kan ik geen bron voor vinden. 94.215.5.239 16 mrt 2009 10:51 (CET)
thread_title:  gemiddeld gebruik 

message: Hallo
Deze pagina was niet correct, nu bijna ?
Eventueel samenvoegen met de Cocaïne pagina ?
DLvD. op 82.74.75.61 8 jul 2013 06:35 (CEST)
thread_title:  Nieuwe bewerking