विकिपीडिया चर्चा:नवीन माहिती/डिसेंबर ७, २००६

message: I have removed the controversial assertion -
*...की संस्कृत भाषा ही संगणकांत वापरण्यासाठी सर्वात उपयुक्त भाषा आहे...?
from this article. There have been many claims and counter-claims about this particular topic and overwhelmingly, the claim has been refuted based on criteria such as -
replies: text: Structure

text: Adaptability

text: Non-ambiguiousness and context-free grammar.
If anyone has a definitive, scientific source to back up this claim, pls post here.
अभय नातू 17:44, 15 जानेवारी 2007 (UTC)
It is commonly known fact. It was first published in Forbes magazine. There are few Indian scientists who did not agree to this. I dont know if their was a big controversy.
Proofs-
According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software.

text: And Sanskrit, through Latin, is accepted as the mother of all European languages. A 1987 report in Forbes magazine said Sanskrit was the most suitable language for computer software.''
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text: महाराष्ट्र एक्सप्रेस,

text: First off, let me reiterate that I respect your views. I also hold Sanskrit in very high regard when it comes to literature, origins and other such aspects. I would love for Sanskrit to be revived and be at the forefront just as much as the next guy. I also would hate for us (proponents of the language) to be self-congratulatory and be consumed by day-dreams.

text: Having learnt theoretical Computer Science in depth and worked in the IT field almost all my life and knowing rudimentary Sanskrit, I find this claim fallacious.

text: All the links you provided above are from non-scientific publications. All of them make assertions without any scientific proof or references to such writing. Each one seems to feed off the others, cross-referencing each other and pointing to a Forbes article that no one has cared to link....

text: I think I read a few articles propounding Sanskrit as the most suitable language for programming some time ago. Even those articles lacked real technical details and instead fell back on the ancient-ness of the language and the apparent lack of need to invent words for new phenomena/objects.

text: I believe (and I'll see if I can find references) that only an artificial language can be used for programming, which is totally context-free and fully deterministic. Such a language leaves no ambiguities for the consumer of text. That is the only way a deterministic machine such as a computer can process/udnerstand it. (With the exception of fuzzy/non-deterministic machines) Subsequently, such a language, by definition, has no place for काव्यशास्त्रविनोद in it, because everything written in it is cut-and-dry. (I know that some nerds do find snippets of C++ code really exciting, but that's besides the point :-])

text: In spite of my above claims of working in IT for a long time and knowing sanskrit, I'm no great authority in either, so I'll defer this matter to a real expert in either (preferably both) fields. And I have not found any such reference, either in the links provided or elsewhere.

text: In summary, there's no scientific proof in the links provided. My position still stands.

text: Regards,

text: अभय नातू 20:18, 15 जानेवारी 2007 (UTC)

text: p.s. In any case, even English is not suitable for programming. Although most modern programming languages look like English, they have their own grammar and rules for usage. For example, the 'while' in English has different connotations than 'while' in 'C' which is different from the 'while' in COBOL or ADA, and so on. The constructs seem English simply because the early designers of these languages happened to be proficient in that language and thought it fit to use language constructs from English.

text: Hey no problem. I am a Marathi fanatic,(and not Sanskrit fanatic!!)
I do respect sanskrit a lot and I guess Forbes magazine said Sanskrit is must suitable for computing. I dont kow if this means programming languages as such. I personally think there must be some truth behind it . It seems a controversial topic  and hence I agree that we should not include it. I shall find some other intresting trivia. →→महाराष्ट्र एक्सप्रेस(च/यो)→→ 19:58, 16 जानेवारी 2007 (UTC)
Sanskrit
How much I (Mukund Srivastava a B.Tech computer science final year student) thinks is, weather it is a programming language or not instead  of this I  think that it can be a programming language. As how much I know is that for a language to be a programming language it is necessary that that language should be a unambiguous language for our 5th generation which is only possible when that language has a very deep and  defined grammar.Hence for what the reason we are unable to use English as a 5th generation language.
   So now here I can say that in terms of a complete,deep and defined grammar we can use Sanskrit language.

message: ...की भारतात २२ शासकीय राजभाषा आहेत पण एकही राष्ट्रभाषा नाही...?
याविधानासाठी खालील संदर्भ दिले गेले आहेत.
* इंग्लिश विकिपीडियावरील शासकीय भाषांवरील लेख
* भारतीय संविधानाचा सतरावा भाग
* भारतीय संविधानातील एक उतारा
याशिवाय खालील स्पष्टीकरण वाचा -
replies: text: भारतीय संविधानातील १७वा भाग शासकीय भाषाबद्दल माहिती देतो. त्यात कुठेही राष्ट्रभाषेचा उल्लेख नाही. हिंदी व इंग्रजी ही भारतीय गणराज्याच्या अधिकृत भाषा आहेत,राष्ट्रभाषा नव्हेत. महाराष्ट्रात केवळ मराठी ही अधिकृत राजभाषा आहे.

text: official language आणि national language या संकल्पनात फरक आहे. official म्हणजे सरकारमान्य, सरकारने अधिकृत केलेली तर national या संकल्पनेत जी भाषा सर्वांच्या इतिहास, संस्कृतीबरोबर synonmous आहे अशी. अर्थातच हिंदी ही उत्तर भारत वगळला तर इतर कुठल्याही प्रांताशी संबंधित नाही.

text: तामिळ नाडू राज्य हिंदी ला कुठलीही मान्यता देत नाही. संघराज्यात सर्वांच्या consensus शिवाय राष्ट्रभाषा ठरू शकत नाही. हिंदी विरोध
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