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Disputatio Auxilii:Lingua

message: This is a perennial issue with Latinists. In my opinion this is how it should go, at least when speaking formally:
*Lingua Gallica = Gaulish
*Lingua Franca, Lingua Francica = Frankish
*Lingua Francogallica = French
However, less formally it is perfectly OK to use the terms more loosely. Such is frequently done in Latin writings, and at Conventicula, but I would suggest we avoid it for Wikipedia purposes, because here it behooves us to be meticulous about such things. 
The same applies, more or less, to the peoples: Galli, Franci, Francogalli, but here I tend to hear even more interchange. Now, when it comes to naming the country, I tend to think the other way: Gallia for any period, Francia from the establishment of the Frankish kingdom to the present; honestly once the Franks have taken over it seems silly to distinguish. And Francogallia as the name of the country seems downright daft to me: the territory has not changed, just the language. --Iustinus 22:14, 20 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'd be happy to stick to lingua Francogallica for French; I haven't always been consistent on this till now and have sometimes said Francice.

text: Just for the record, Lingua Franca doesn't suit "Frankish". Lingua Franca is the real medieval-to-early-modern name (occasionally in older English called "the Frank tongue") for the lingua franca or sailors' pidgin of the Mediterranean, now apparently extinct, though it may have influenced other pidgins, creoles and argots before dying out. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 22:23, 20 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :I was under the impression that that usage was derived from the meaning "Frankish," perhaps after that language fell out of use. BUt as long as I am meticulously distinguishing Gaulish, Frankish, and French when two of those langauges are long extinct, I may as well keep that distinction too! --Iustinus 22:32, 20 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::The word is linked historically, naturally, but the eventual meaning is quite different, agreeing better with the sense in which "Franks" was used in medieval writings about the Crusades etc. Lingua Franca was in basis a Romance language, with practically no Germanic elements (but some Greek and Arabic), whereas Frankish (which, yes, disappeared some centuries earlier) was a Germanic language. It occurs to me that this had better go into an article on Lingua Franca, not into a talk page! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:33, 21 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How to say "French"
Disputatio:Anus (anatomia)

message: Do we need a title for the ref? Compare the last two revisions I did...--Ioshus (disp) 20:37, 21 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Why, against, is the Latin wikipedia censored but the English not? What make latin different? --BiT 23:26, 18 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hic olim erat usor timidus censoriusque, qui semper conabatur materies commoventes celare. Credo eum nunc abesse. IacobusAmor 23:39, 18 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ergo possumus nunc imagines ostendere? --BiT 23:47, 18 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Per me certe licet. Ut nonnumquam dixi, veritas occulis offendar, cur had semper est pulchra... Attamen, plures quam meae sententiae priusquam audiendae. Quomodo sentitis? --Ioshus (disp) 03:02, 19 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Per me, licet. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:48, 19 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Hanc fortunam carpam, et picturas adclarabo.. quod si quidam constat non, recense retro.  --BiT 16:25, 19 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Censor

message: Fortasse "Anus (anatomia)"? Anus non est animal. Videte titulos similes sub :Categoria:Anatomia. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:57, 10 Septembris 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Tibi consentio et — nemine contradicente — paginam nunc movebo. --Aylin (disputatio) 20:51, 7 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titulus
Disputatio:Index maximarum urbium per historiam

message: Iustinus anonymo s.p.d.
Re vera, solemus vernaculo scribere colloquia nostra in paginis disputationum, sed cum nescio quis et cuias sis, de patrio sermone tuo coniecturam facere nolo. Sed haec dicam: video tibi displicere nonnullas emendationes quas feci ego. 
*Babylon est nomen urbis, Babylonia nomen regionis.
*Identidem dicis talia quale est "Memphis, Aegyptus" -- sed lingua Latina id nihil significare potest, ambobus nominibus in casu nominativo, nisi "Memphis [et] Aegyptus." Suaserim ut quiddam ex his dicas: 
*#Memphis Aegyptiorum
*#Memphis in Aegypto
*#Memphis Aegypti
*De Lagaš/Lagasa et similibus discriminibus, videas quaeso Vicipaedia:Translatio nominum propriorum. Si pro Lagasa et aliis habes locum antiquum, vel saltem locum sat veterem, affer quaeso!
Vale, et gratias. --Iustinus 06:40, 22 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vacillata varia

message: *Nineveh = Ninive -es f., Ninus/os -i. Both names attested in good classical sources, the former also in the Bible.
*Patna/Pataliputra = Palimbothra, Classical.
*Ctesiphon = Ctesiphon -ontis f.
Many others have at least Egger forms, if not older Latin names. --Iustinus 07:19, 22 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For Bagdad, see Bagdatum. It turns out that while Latin names for this city have tended to be long-lived, they also changed a lot from era to era. For Cairo, most sources give Cairus, but Caelestis Eichenseer goes with Cahira (I can provide more specific citations if you want) --Iustinus 05:53, 23 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
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Veniam peto, sed sermonem quem hic usum est, non intellego. Sermo barbarus est.
Quaeso, scribe latine.
Multas gratias tibi ago.
thread_title:  Nomina Civitatum
Disputatio:Catalaunia

message: In latine nomen est Catalaunia, non Catalonia, et adiectivus euis est catalaunicus, -a, -um; ipse modo lingua est Catalaunice --Xaverius 13:01, 22 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
Nonne eadem variatio atque inter "Claudius" et "Clodius" est?  Ut mihi videtur, Romani ipsi -au- et -o- aliquando confundunt.  Nomen Catalaunia fortasse patricior sonat (ut ita dicam:  quasi angl. "posh"), ergo hoc utimur.  A. Mahoney (disputatio) 15:51, 25 Septembris 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Rogat Arbarulo de nominibus Catalauniae et linguae Catalanae.  Nescio, cur nomina nunc imposita mutanda sint. Sed si vis, potes et ad "linguam Catalaunicam" paginam de lingua movere, ut nomini terrae congruat (et fontes indicare, qui sine labore invenientur). Ipse hoc facere nollem ea causa (fortasse ridibunda), quod "Catalaunicus" de pugna Catalaunica dicitur, quae ad Catalauniam nullam relationem habet. Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 19:05, 25 Septembris 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: :Egomet nec nomina mutanda nec aliam sententiam certam habeo. Ea causa rogavi, quod titulos commentationum non congruentes, varias autem orthographias in disputationibus ambarum usurpatas, nec clara indicia consensus vidi. Responsa tamen, postquam rogavi, aliquem consensum indicant nomina iam bona esse. Nisi alia sententia evenerit, nihil novare meditor. Arbarulo (disputatio) 19:49, 25 Septembris 2022 (UTC)

message: Xavieri, meo animo, explicatio linguarum in Catalaunia dictarum debet inesse. Ita:
In Catalaunia, has linguas loquuntur...".
At res de lingua Catalauna ipsa, tibi consentio movendas esse.--Ioshus (disp) 20:59, 22 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Congruo, etiam  utamur--Xaverius 22:29, 22 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  lingua 

message: Nonnulli philologi, latinitatem quoque uiuam fauentes, hac de re multum disputauerunt, putant nomnia 'Catalaunia' (a Catalaunicis campis) et 'Catalunia' siue 'Catalonia' non confundenda esse. Tantum hanc indicere uolebam notam.
--Quirinus Xρυσοχαίτας 11:29, 1 Iulii 2007 (UTC)
Lingua aranesa oficialis in Catalonia est
thread_title:  de nominibus 

message: Graesse habet: Catalaunia, Catalonia, Catalonnia, Cathalannia, Gothalannia, hieMAP (https://olo.heimap.uni-heidelberg.de/#lat/74436): Catalaunia, Catelania, Cathalunya, Katholonia, Gothalaunia. Utilo (disputatio) 14:53, 25 Septembris 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graesse et heiMAP
Disputatio:Prophetia Michaeae

message: Re "Libri Tho, Iud, Sap, Ecc, Bar, Macc1 et Macc2 solo a ecclesia Catholica ut libri canonici agniti sunt": this note (wherever it is; it isn't editable within this article) should use better abbreviations, "a ecclesia" should be changed to "ab ecclesia," and "Romana" should be inserted after Catholica. IacobusAmor 12:59, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nota
Disputatio:Michael de Cervantes Saavedra

message: I know of two published Latin translations of Don Quixote de la Mancha:
*1905 (reprinted 1999) Historia Domini Quijoti Machegui "[per] Ignatium Calvium." (if a Latin form of Cervantes is given, WorldCat doesn't list it)
*1998 Dominus Quixotus a Manica "Michael A. Cervantes ; versio latina ab Antonio Peral Torres."
--Iustinus 16:14, 26 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, the Historia Domini Quijoti is just being silly.  The author does use Cervantes a couple of times—though expecting him to do differently would probably be unreasonable.  —Myces Tiberinus 15:34, 27 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Meaning because the title is so macaronic? --Iustinus 18:23, 27 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::‘Macaronic’ describes the rest of the book , too, from capítulum primerum onwards.  —Mucius Tever 20:52, 27 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Herders Conversations-Lexikon. Friburgi Brisgoviae 1854, vol 2, p. 51 (hic in interreti)
thread_title: Fons recensionis Aprilis 2020
Disputatio:Inertia

message: To be added later:
replies: text: Mobile quoddam super planum horizontale projectum mente concipio omni secluso impedimento: jam constat ex hi quæ fusius alibi dicta sunt illius motum æquabilem, & perpetuum super ipso plano futurum esse, si planum in infinitum extendatur

text: Discursus et Demonstrationes Mathematicae circa duas novas scientias, "Colloquium quarti diei" p. 214
thread_title: Galileo Quote
Disputatio:Index regum Hispaniae

message: Hmm, looks like at least in the era of Philip III and IV, and presumably not just them, the title was Hispaniarum Rex. E.g. http://www.maravedis.org/felipe3.html --Iustinus 08:20, 27 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC). 
replies: text: Philip II and Charles I also had in their coins "Hispaniarum rex", bu this is aparently an old archaism that refers to the "2 Spains", citerior and ulterior. These references appear as early as in Isidore--Xaverius 08:40, 14 Maii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hispaniarum
Disputatio:Megapolis et Pomerania Citerior

message: Megapolis et Pomerania citerior et Pomerania ulterior in "instrumentum pacis Osnabrugensis" inveniuntur. --Alex1011 23:36, 27 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Megapolis stammt aus dem Griechischem und bezeichnet eine sehr große Stadt. Wie sollte das äußerst ländliche MeckPomm zu diesem Titel gelangen???
replies: text: Vide Mecklenburg. Et hic est Vicipaedia Latina, attempta scribere in ea lingua - sunt multi usores qui nescient Germanice. FridericusRex 23:18, 8 Iulii 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Recte dicis; sed linguas alias in paginis disputationis accipimus. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:39, 9 Iulii 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ubi per quam Mega-Polis?
Disputatio:Bellum Iugurthinum

message: SOmeday I need to write a book on the true Bellum Iugurthinum --Iustinus 07:01, 29 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Quomodo Iugurtha in odium Romanorum venierit, qua de causa ac quomodo duos frates suos necaverit, et reliquas causas belli non describitur. Etiam ut Iugurtha duos primos duces Romanorum largiendo superaverit et Iugurthae prior iter Romam(Ubi senatum Romanum largiendo persuasit ut inter se and fratem Aherbalem regnum Numidiae divideret) addenda sunt. -Bunnyman3000
replies: text: Adde igitur, Bunnyman. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:30, 19 Novembris 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sectio 'Progressus Belli' dimidiam partem belli praeterit
Disputatio Categoriae:Scriptores Civitatum Foederatarum

message: Good grief. We have in this category only ephemeral figures,
replies: text: :Ray Bradbury, Daniel Brown, Stephanus King, Laurentius Kudlow, Timotheus Powers, Gulielmus Watterson,
but no canonical greats:
replies: text: :Henry Adams, Emily Dickinson, T. S. Eliot, William Faulkner, Benjamin Franklin, Robert Frost, Ernest Hemingway, Washington Irving, Henry James, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Herman Melville, Eugene O'Neill, Edgar Allen Poe, John Steinbeck, Wallace Stevens, Walt Whitman, etc., etc.,—and not even Saul Bellow, Elizabeth Bishop, Pearl Buck, Jack London, Robert Lowell, Norman Mailer, Cotton Mather, Toni Morrison, Ezra Pound, Edward Arlington Robinson, Carl Sagan, Gertrude Stein, Thornton Wilder, Tennessee Williams, William Carlos Williams, etc., etc.
Looks like some of us need to do some dedicated scribbling! IacobusAmor 15:04, 29 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who's in, who's out
Disputatio:Cibus

message: The title is Alimentum, but the defined word is Alimenta. This inconsistency violates a near-inflexible rule of dictionary-making: define only the lemma. If a singular word can't conveniently be defined, the best way to proceed is ordinarily to use the equivalent of "X is any of," or, if a quantitative characterization can sharpen the definition, "X is any of several" and "X is any of numerous" and such. E.g. (from Webster's Collegiate): "surfperch . . . any of a family (Embiotocidae) of small or medium-sized viviparous fishes. . . ." IacobusAmor 04:40, 30 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lemma singulare, definitio pluralis

message: Estne pagina ad cibum movenda? Cibus est vocabulum multo usitatius (cibus: 440um a creberrimo, alimentum: 2296um). Confer etiam en:Food. Lesgles (disputatio) 15:43, 7 Iunii 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alimentum -> Cibus
Disputatio:The Star-Spangled Banner

message: There is a famous Latin version of this song. I can recite it from memory, but I don't know who wrote it. I'm really busy today, and a lot is going on on wikipedia, so I would really appreciate it of someone else would do the googling footwork for me:
replies: text: O potestne cerni praefulgenti die
replies: text: :salutatum signum circa noctis adventum.

text: Lati clavi et stellae decertant acie,
replies: text: :gloriosum cingunt oppidi munimentum.

text: Iaculumque rubens, globus sursum rumpens
replies: text: :per noctem monstrant vexillum fulgens.

text: Stellatumne vexillum volans tegit nos,
replies: text: :patriam liberam, fortiumque domos?
--Iustinus 18:33, 30 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, foudn the time for a quick google. Looks like a version with primo diluculo is more common. --Iustinus 18:47, 30 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :According to a googleable site, this is the version in Latin Songs New and Old, selected or written by J. C. Robertson (Toronto: Univ. of Toronto Press, 1937):
replies: text: ::Potestne cerni primo diluculo

text: ::Vexillum quod vesperi salutabamus,

text: ::Dum stellas clavosque et in proelio

text: ::Fluitantes superbe in vallo spectamus?

text: ::Atque salvum adhuc interdum subitae

text: ::Vexillum noctu ostendebant flammae;

text: ::O dic num despectet stellans vexillum

text: ::Liberam patriam fortiumque domum.

text: :I'd have added it into the article except that it may be copyrighted, and we can't import into Vicipaedia a complete published text that remains under copyright, can we? Perhaps, though, unless revisions in U.S. copyright apply, that publication has gone into the public domain; I think fifty-six years used to be the maximal term of American copyright. ¶ Incidentally, this despectet reminds me that when used transitively, forms of specto already have the notion of "at" built into them, so it's unnecessary to write specto ad (as some contributors do). My hunch is that when the old Romans deployed a form of specto intransitively, they used in, rather than ad ; but Perseus is down right now, so I can't check L&S on that point. IacobusAmor 19:54, 30 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Isn't our standard to put song titles ing the original language? Pantocrator 12:31, 18 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen 

message: Regrettably, the text has to have been published before January 1, 1923 to be in the public domain in the US. So it should be removed, unless someone can find a source saying that it was published earlier. Lesgles (disputatio) 06:30, 29 Iunii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ius auctoris
Disputatio:Menntaskólinn Hraðbraut

message: Gymnasium Autobahnum? --Alex1011 21:08, 31 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, that fits better. Would it be smart to make an Autobahnum (en:Autobahn) page as well? --BiT 21:36, 31 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Well, I had already second thoughts about my recommendation. This is my old "urbs Roma" problem. How to translate Thomas Morus gymnasium into Latin? Or Via Appia gymnasium?
*gymnasium Thomae Mori / gymnasium Viae Appiae
*gymnasium Thomas Morus / gymnasium Via AppiaWith churches it is ecclesia Sanctae Mariae. So 
*gymnasium autoviae or gymnasium Autobahni? 
*gymnasium autoviaria / gymnasium Autobahnium? 
*gymnasium Autobahn (indecl.)? --Alex1011 21:57, 31 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

text: It seems that autovia is the word for autobahn so maybe gymnasium autoviae is the best translation? I'm sorry I didn't quite catch that, doesn't gymnasium decline? --BiT 23:04, 31 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :gymnasium declines, but Autobahn, I thought, could in this case be taken as indeclinans. gymnasium autoviae might be ok. --Alex1011 07:43, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Well I take my previous statement back, I think Gymnasium Autovia might be better since there really is no reason for autovia to be in the genitive case. The name means "The Gymnasium Autobahn" in Icelandic, not "The Gymnasium of Autobahn". --BiT 15:43, 1 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again with the name
Disputatio:Clavile

message: I thought piano was clavile in latin? --BiT 23:53, 31 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what I use. There's more than one thing to call it of course, but this should definitely be changed. --Iustinus 01:29, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

message: ¶ 1. Vel claviculae. ¶ 2. Re "Maximi piani 88 claves habent." Instrumentis "Bösendorfer," Vindobonae manu factis, reapse sunt 92 claviculae (http://www.boesendorfer.com) vel 97 ("the Imperial Grand has 97 keys": en:wikipedia). IacobusAmor 03:03, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this is why I stopped writing articles about music...I haven't done my research on attestationes worth a damn...--Ioshus (disp) 03:06, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it gets worse: the name clavile notwithstanding, clavis for the key of a piano or similar instrument is apparently never attested in Latin. English "key", yes, but French touche, German Taste, Spanish tecla, and so on. Apparently the classical pinna "feather; fin; key of a hydraulic organ" was still in use in the renaissance (if you need attestations, I still have Kircher's Musurgia Universalis at home.) --Iustinus 03:54, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 88 claves

message: Isn't Clavile grande just a calque of the english word Grand Piano? Are there any citations on this? --BiT 19:09, 30 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is interest for a neologism one could suggest something alike the finnish or icelandic words; flyygeli and flygill respectively. Perhaps:

text: * flygillus (-i, m.)

text: * flygillum (-i, n.)

text: * flyglus (-i, m.)? --BiT 19:17, 30 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Can I assume the word flygillus? I think that's a pretty good name? Please state any objections. --BiT 15:47, 23 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Well, unlike spegill, the flygill has no relation to a Latin ending; it is apparently from German Flügel ‘wing; grand piano,’ so if one were to borrow it, one would presumably want to use the more original form.  Of course along the lines of this Morgan cites in Helfer: clavile aliforme = grand piano.  —Mucius Tever 01:30, 26 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Aliforme? What does that mean? --18:06, 26 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Wing-shaped (ala + -formis).  —Mucius Tever 17:15, 7 Iulii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::That's a great name! --BiT 19:18, 8 Iulii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grand piano
Disputatio:Magna charta libertatum

message: Vero? IacobusAmor 19:56, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Finire hic non significat finem facere sed fines determinare. Id est definivit. --Iustinus 20:00, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ah, OK; but it's still an odd way to begin an article: by the end of the sentence, we still don't know what Magna Carta was. IacobusAmor 20:06, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Magna Carta vim regum Anglicorum finivit."

message: Magna charta libertatum => 
Magna carta
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the first written appearance of the term was in 1218: “Concesserimus libertates quasdam scriptas in magna carta nostra de libertatibus” --Espoo 19:07, 22 Iunii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: However, the first Latin appearance of charta occurred more than a millennium earlier, and the ch preserves the sound of the original, a Greek word, χάρτης. So is it your argument that medieval spellings trump classical ones? IacobusAmor 19:34, 22 Iunii 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move request
Disputatio:Dies Domini (periodicum)

message: And you knew my fingertips were all aquiver, didn't you?! IacobusAmor 04:17, 2 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: THis is what happens when I attempt to wiki while simultaniously playing DDR. Not pretty! --Iustinus 04:21, 2 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Mwahahaha! I was afraid to find here the infamous British scandalistic newspaper called "Sunday", phew! In that case I'd rather suggest something like Solis dies (periodicum) :-D - εΔω 07:08, 2 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of made the same mistake. --Iustinus 07:09, 2 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  You cheat! 

message: Haec removi quia non intellego:
* Primum solum unum clerum legitimum periodici tenuit, sed ab anno 1984 Conventus Episcopum Berolinensis (Theodisce: Berliner Bischofskonferenz) legitimum tenet.
-- Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:24, 19 Martii 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non intellego
Disputatio:Episcopus

message: This definition isn't NPOV. It best fits the Roman Catholic concept of episcopus. It's not far from the Anglican sense, but it may be quite a way from the Methodist sense. (I'm not sure about the Lutheran sense.) It's a loooong way off from the sense understood in certain Baptistlike one-off congregations, in which any of numerous heads of their churches call themselves bishops. I believe I've read of one who made himself an archbishop. It utterly misses the Mormon sense. ¶ Anyone who wants to revise the definition might start by noting how Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (probably the most widely used dictionary in the United States) defines bishop in its religious sense : "one having spiritual or ecclesiastical supervision: as a : an Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, or Roman Catholic clergyman ranking above a priest, having authority to ordain and confirm, and typically governing a diocese b : any of various Protestant clerical officials who superintend other clergy c : a Mormon high priest presiding over a ward or over all other bishops and over the Aaronic priesthood." (That's from the ninth edition; I'd guess later editions would eliminate the seeming sexism of "clergyman": many bishops these days are women, and the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church in the United States is a woman). IacobusAmor 14:14, 2 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: in latina lingua, amabo te! 81.159.134.182 12:03, 26 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition not NPOV