Disputatio:Tangaloa

message: Starting to look pagina mensis worthy...--Ioscius (disp) 04:55, 25 Septembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs a fuller, more anthropologically & linguistically respectable introduction, but I can't find the (two) books needed for reference on that. They're here somewhere, as I know I haven't lent them out, but why are they hiding?! IacobusAmor 12:23, 25 Septembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Well I'm going to propose it. Work on your intro, it will be a month or two before we can fit it into rotation, anyways.--Ioscius (disp) 14:56, 25 Septembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Iacobe, if you want any help on the ethnological part, I have done a module in ethnology and cultural anthropology, and I may find those books here in Oxford--Xaverius 10:12, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

message: Rafael, re: "Nautae Havaiani, qui alveis multicarinis per oceanum Pacificum navegabant ca. anno 1781, oceani deus Tangaloa timebant." This is an engraving after a drawing by John Webber, from Cook's third voyage. (Oddly, the documentation at commons doesn't indicate this, but merely names a modern book that reproduces it.) It illustrates Hawaiians rowing near shore, perhaps out to greet Captain Cook. (I'd have to check.) Because of the timing of Cook's arrival, it's likely that any god the oarsmen had in mind was Lono, not Tangaroa: they thought that Cook, because he arrived with the annual appearance of the Pleiades, was the incarnation of Lono. Nevertheless, let's keep the image handy; it could well be used to illustrate articles on (a) Hawaiian war helmets, (b) Hawaiian canoes & paddles, (c) Hawaiian sails. Incidentally, the sail isn't in the original drawing, but has been added by the engraver, presumably after some other drawing by Webber. IacobusAmor 18:14, 31 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Nautae Havaiani, qui alveis multicarinis per oceanum Pacificum navegabant, anno 1781 a Iohannes Webber depicti. Hawaiani vulgo oceani deusm Tangaloaam timebant, sed hoc momento credibilis est eos de deo Lono cogitare, quod inmprimis putabant Praefectum Cook esse Loni incarnationem, propter suum adventum eo momento quando primae stellae Pleides visibiles fiunt." Bene?--Rafaelgarcia 14:41, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::deum Tangaloam timebant. . . . But let me work on it. Webber presumably painted it on board ship in 1778 or 1779; where did 1781 come from? IacobusAmor 15:26, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Ahhh! Ita est, accusativus nec nominativus...Nescio unde 1781 venit: fuit e pagina Vicipaediana quadam ubi imaginem inveni.--Rafaelgarcia 21:40, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: De imagine

message: Non comprehendi: "Samoana propensio ad notiones lusas, et res hominesque motos trans schematicum et cogitatione informatus scaccarium, meditationi nativae summam facilitatem affert." --Alex1011 10:35, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The original is: "The Samoan aptitude for manipulating ideas, and moving things and persons about in a schematic and ideal chess board, makes for an extreme ease in native thinking." Let me change informatus to informatum. Hold on. . . . IacobusAmor 13:30, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Samoana propensio ad notiones lusas et res hominesque motos huc illuc trans schematicum scaccarium effigiale, effecit ut cotidie facilissime reantur.--Rafaelgarcia 14:21, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  informatus scaccarium