lflage/wiki-talks huggingface dataset:
Disputatio:Astrum (discretiva)

message: Secundum Asteroides ἀστήρ sed secundum  ἄστρον. Utrum rectum est?--Rafaelgarcia 02:11, 19 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ambo, fortasse! Asteroides ex aster derivat, astrum e astron. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:55, 19 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :Also stella is from the same source, *asterula=>*sterla=>stella.--Ioscius (disp) 22:04, 19 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ::I thought stella was latin while astrum was a greek borrowing. Is that wrong?--Rafaelgarcia 22:24, 19 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ::: Latin astrum is a Greek borrowing. /// Because Ioscius opened the etymological game, let me add a few precisations: In Homer,  'constellation, stars' (originally a collective form) functions as the plural of  'star'. The singular  is a post-Homeric back-formation, whereby  changed declension; also the plural  is post-Homeric. If  is compared with Hittite h̬ašter- 'star' (a relatively recent find), the initial alpha in  may be explained by setting up a Proto-IE laryngeal *Haster-, not reflected in Latin ( ... > *ster-la > stella) or Germanic ( ... > *ster-no > Gothic stairno). Irrelevant but fun. :-) --Neander 23:50, 19 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ἀστήρ aut ἄστρον?
Disputatio:Res publica Capitis Viridis

message: Hae insulae non videntur promontorium. IacobusAmor 14:03, 21 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Vide en:Cape Verde#Etymology --Waldir (disputatio) 01:31, 11 Novembris 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen

message: Fontem repperimus. Si Arlindo Gomes Furtado est episcopus Sancti Iacobi Capitis Viridis, in insula Sancti Iacobi sedem habens, ergo civitas est "Res publica Capitis Viridis". Movenda? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:45, 7 Ianuarii 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Movenda! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 18:19, 7 Ianuarii 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fons nominis Latini
Disputatio Categoriae:Praefecti generales Exercitus Civitatum Foederatarum

message: The ideal way to set it up, IMHO, is that "Praefecti generales Exercitus Civitatum Foederatarum" will collect together (as in :en:) all "General officers of the U.S. Army," and under that heading each rank will then have its own category ("Generals of the U.S. Army," "Majors of the U.S. Army," etc.). I'll refrain from tinkering until this prospect can be discussed. IacobusAmor 16:56, 23 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds logical to me. You might additionally like to consider what general categories, outside the US context, these should relate to. So far as I can see, we have at the moment only two -- :Categoria:Milites and :Categoria:Ductores exercitus! Almost a clean sheet. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:26, 23 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ordines militares
Disputatio:Castellum

message: Castellum etiam videtur quodvis munimentum quod aditum fluminis, portus, vel sinus imminet; dicit Livius: naves ad castellum (subigere). Ergo Castellum Sancti Marci, Castellum Sumter, etc. IacobusAmor 13:54, 24 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ita vero, vide infra in pagina ubi iam castellum maritimum haec castella describens proposui.--Rafaelgarcia 14:46, 24 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Etiam
Disputatio:Berenice (Libya)

message: Hesperides sunt Hesperi filiae, quae in occidentalibus habitant regionibus, ubi hortum malis aureis custodiunt. IacobusAmor 22:59, 27 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Recte mones. Secundum nonnullos hae puellae iuxta Benghazi habitabant! Alii discrepant :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:37, 28 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hesperides

message: Nomen Graecolatinum multi confirmant; sed nexum removi quia Absoluteastronomy.com est speculum Vicipaediae ipsius! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:16, 30 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nexus 

message: Heri Sacreum nomen "Hesperis" e fonte vetusto Hazlitt, Classical gazetteer addidit, et statim ad hoc nomen movit. Reverti quia usque adhuc nescimus quid nomen usitatius (aut alia ratione quadam utilius) sit. Quid censent alii? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:15, 27 Martii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fontibus melius perlectis, propono ego ad "Berenice (Libya)" movere. Hoc nomen, tempore Romano usitatum, etiam hodie apud Vaticanum adhibetur. Est etiam parens nominis hodierni "Benghazi". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:43, 4 Maii 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  De nominibus
Disputatio:Alfredus Naccache

message: De: "Georgius . . . Naccache . . . (natus anno 1887; mortuus anno 1978), diurnarius et editor, fuit inter mandatum Francia Francicum." Anglice = 'George Naccache (born in the year 1887; died in the year 1978), a journalist and an editor, was France between/among the France commission'. IacobusAmor 11:05, 29 Augusti 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Deux personnes étaient mélangées. / Zwei Personen wurden vermischt, siehe :de:Diskussion:Alfred Naccache#Vermischung mit Namensvetter. --Kolja21 (disputatio) 04:44, 10 Septembris 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Quid fuit?
Disputatio:Servus (discretiva)

message: Andrew, were you thinking here of 'server'? The part of the text of Servus that you may be using this gloss to suppress had a different point: I was thinking of 'slave', a machine that obeys or is otherwise directly responsive to another machine. For example, a photographer might position some flash units to be slaves of the camera, and a printer can be a slave of a computer. IacobusAmor 18:20, 1 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Those aren't my words (except that I tried to disambiguate "rete"). So you have a clean slate. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:05, 1 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :I think "server" can be better and more specifically translated as latin: minister (waiter). Servus (rete) can then be used for any slave application or object.--Rafaelgarcia 19:29, 1 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Servus, computatrum quoddam in Interrete fungens
Disputatio:Interceptio regiminis

message: What does involutoriae mean here. And the sentence that follows it? "They are thick, cut indivisible liberties, do not venerate the rights of men and opress those who oppose:"?--Rafaelgarcia 01:41, 3 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article appears to describe a coup as a genus of which revolution and all other changes of state are a species. I think that is incorrect. Rather the coup, revolution, etc, are all species of rerum eversio. In sum, the article is putting together two things that don't belong together.--Rafaelgarcia 14:42, 3 Septembris 2009 (UTC)

message: Confer :en:Coup d'état et :en:Revolution, not to mention :en:Rebellion. IacobusAmor 12:35, 1 Novembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Each of the merged articles is one of the 10K pages, so they should remain distinct & unmerged here. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:00, 6 Martii 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: :OK, I undid the merge. I was trying to resolve some of the long-standing merge proposals (7 years in this case). I'm not sure the article at present does a great job of explaining the difference between coup and revolution, and there are some problems with the Latin that still need to be dealt with (see Rafael's comments above).  Lesgles (disputatio) 11:48, 7 Martii 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: ::I quite see Iacobus's reasons both for proposing the merge 7 years ago and for deprecating it yesterday! (The 10K list was developed at Meta beteen those two dates.)

text: ::With Rafael above, we have to start from concepts: have we three of them? I think we have. A movement that changes the political structure (= revolution, res novae, rerum eversio). Uprising of a defeated or subject group (= rebellion, rebellio). An unconstitutional takeover of government (= French coup d'état leading to Greek tyrannis, but in Latin what? For me, "rerum" is too vague and all-embracing here, I would try something like "regiminis comprehensio, correptio". I expect there'd be a better phrase). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:09, 7 Martii 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: ::: Tibi, Andrea, assentior dicenti inter illas tres notiones distinguendum esse, quamquam coup d'état non facile Latine reddi videtur. Praeter illas quas proposuisti dictiones ego regiminis interceptionem proposuerim. Sed Cicero etiam de neoterismo loqui videtur; cf. Att. 14.5.3 "Sed velim scire quid adventus Octavi, num qui concursus ad eum, num quae νεωτερισμοῦ suspicio [suspicion of a coup d’etat apud Shackleton Bailey]. non puto equidem, sed tamen, quicquid est, scire cupio." Neander (disputatio) 10:56, 18 Maii 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Contribuenda?
Disputatio:Margareta II (regina Daniae)

message: Please move this page. The official Latin rendering of the Queen's name is "Margareta", cf. the inscription on the Danish decoration for merit: http://kongehuset.dk/gallery.php?id=47&dogtag=k_dk_aktuelt_medal_foto  (official webpage of the Danish monarchy). 83.89.16.138 12:30, 7 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:50, 7 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move
Disputatio:Theo-Ben Gurirab

message: Just wanted to make a quick note on the formula for UN General Assembly Presidents, since I fail to be able to search my way into being able to tweak it myself, many of the links to the countries the presidents represent are spelled either incorrectly or in a way that is not redirecting correctly, so I can fix it, I just need to know how, or if someone has a minute to go through and fix them up, thats cool too. Thanks! CeleritasSoni 05:03, 9 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: De Formula
Disputatio:Gary Cooper

message: "Gib dem Glück die Sporen. Die Geschichte meines Lebens. Henschel, Berolini 1991, ISBN 3-362-00547-0 (biographia a se ipso scripta)."—Rather odd that he'd write his autobiography in German. IacobusAmor 12:28, 9 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still cited on the German wiki page, though without any reference in the text. You can even buy it from amazon.de. It was previously published Hamburg, 1958. I can't immediately find references to an English autobiography by him. So, yes, it's odd enough that I have now deleted it from our page, but it would be good to know the real status of this book. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:07, 20 Maii 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: : "Coopers Mitte der 1950er Jahre veröffentlichte Autobiografie "Well, it was this way" kam in Deutschland unter dem Titel "Gib dem Glück die Sporen. Die Geschichte meines Lebens" auf den Markt." secundum metapaediam (de.metapedia.org/wiki/Cooper,_Gary); Michael Sragow (in Victor Fleming: An American Movie Master  indicat hanc autobiographiam, vel potius quae Cooper verbatim  de vita sua commentatori cuidam revelavisset, in periodico cui titulus Saturday Evenung Post anno 1956 editam esse. Jeanthorlon (disputatio) 11:05, 20 Maii 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Gratias mille tibi agimus! Indicibus tuis adhibitis, citationes plures harum symbolarum quae apud Saturday Evening Post divulgatae sunt repperi. Librum Anglicum ex eis confectum non invenio: ergo librum Theodiscum re vera citare debemus. Diurnarius, qui Cooper interpulsit, fuit George Scullins. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:47, 20 Maii 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Autobiographia
Disputatio:Declaratio Libertatis Civitatum Americae Foederatarum

message: Why is the word-order backward?—Declaratio Libertatis Civitatum Americae Foederatarum instead of Declaratio Libertatis Foederatarum Americae Civitatum (or the form more usually found in Vicipaedia, Declaratio Libertatis Civitatum Foederatarum Americae)? IacobusAmor 16:38, 19 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Word-order
Disputatio Formulae:Minister Rerum Externarum CFA

message: "Secretary of state" Latine reddi potest "administer rerum exterarum" aut Neolatine "secretarius rerum exterarum" quod potius spectat ad nomen hodiernum in usu apud CFA. "Secretarius regiminis" seu "administer regiminis" etiam translationes aliquanto dubiae sunt. 
"Status" autem "state" sensu indicato quidem non significat! Nomen igitur huius formulae pravum corrigendum est.--Rafaelgarcia 22:38, 19 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probe dicis, amice. ¶ Sed secundum Cassell's, administer est 'an attendant, an assistant'; simile minister est 'a subordinate, servant, attendant, assistant'. ¶ Verbum status manifesto est falsum. Vide disputationem in Taberna. IacobusAmor 00:37, 20 Septembris 2009 (UTC)

message: What on earth is a secretary of condition? (A state is a respublica or a civitas.) IacobusAmor 02:34, 27 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Quid est?
Disputatio Categoriae:Massachusetta

message: Yes, if it can automatically be done, eliminate the Massachusseta category by folding it into the Massachusetta one. (Thank goodness it wasn't [the far worse] Massacius(s)et(t)a spelling!) IacobusAmor 10:28, 21 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Factumst. --UV 20:31, 21 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging
Disputatio:RMS Titanic

message: Amice ignote, quae verba Latina significant litterae "RMS" in nomen RMS Titanic? IacobusAmor
thread_title: Nomen

message: Questa voce è molto, ma molto scarna. Io proporrei di migliorarla, visto che ci sono migliaia di wikipedie a disposizione. Suvvia! --151.82.70.75 17:19, 26 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scusate
Disputatio:Lechus Wałęsa

message: Lech est Lucas?--62.202.77.149 05:27, 22 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mihi bene est. Modum Lech Kaczyński=>Lechus Kaczyński sequor. Nam, investigandum est.--Jondel 05:43, 22 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :Minime valet idem ac Lucas. Ecce in imma pagina Anglica :en:Lech, Czech and Rus: "LECHUS adest, a quo deducta colonia nostra (Lechia) est.--Reges Et Principes Regni Poloniae Adrian Kochan Wolski; Riksarkivet E 8603; BUV 18.24.1.17". Lechus itaque bene attestatur.--Ioscius (disp) 15:42, 27 Septembris 2009 (UTC)

message: 'Secundum fontium Lechus Wałęsa erat collaboratorem secretum servicium communisticum'
Antecedens abrogo quod non est certum et non par encyclopedia. Haec sententia malam insinuat.--Jondel 01:55, 7 Decembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Incerta de communisticum
Disputatio:Silvia Saint

message: Films need to be listed with original titles. Prizes need to have coherent names (original or Latin) and to be notable. At a quick glance (she works hard) I couldn't verify these titles: 
* EURO (no hands)
* Astrales Meretrices v.32
The prizes make little sense in this macaronic language:
* AVN (Adult Video News)
* 1997: Optima in Categoria "Actu Provocante" - Fresh Meat # 4
* Cetera
* 1997: People's Choice Adult Award - Optima Revelatio
* 1998: Penthouse – Mensis Pet
* 2000: Hot d'Or (França) - Optima Actrix Coadjuvans Europaeia - Le Contrat des Anges
* 2005: Nympha publica optimae actricis - FICEB (Festum Cinemateum Eroticum Barcelonae)
I suggest, if they are to be reinstated, they need references to prove them notable. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:35, 24 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verifiable & notable
Disputatio:Examen anatinum

message: "Haec symbola nihil de Wik.Anglica mutuata est, quae multa continet ad rem ipsam haud pertinentia"—Nihil? If James Whitcomb Riley first (or most famously) formulated the phrase (hence the title of this article), why shouldn't he be cited in the references or the bibliography? IacobusAmor 17:42, 25 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, because Riley was hardly describing the kind of epistemic logic that underlies his utterance. If I'm wrong, please, insert his work in the bibliography. I supplied Davis as a suitable reference. --Neander 19:33, 25 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Haec symbola nihil de Wik.Anglica mutuata est
Disputatio:Franciscus Iosephus Spellman

message: It used to be that the order of cardinals' names in English would have followed this pattern: Francis Cardinal Spellman. (You can find examples of this via Google.) I thought this pattern was reproducing the Latin pattern Franciscus [Iosephus] Cardinalis Spellman. Has the style changed? IacobusAmor 18:41, 25 Septembris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ubi verbum ''Cardinalis'' scribendum?
Disputatio:Pulchritudo

message: Neander: <<Cum de Plotino agatur, Platonicis notionibus utamur. Si "idea" displicet, "forma" praesto est.>> Probe dicis, amice. Nobis ait Cassell's: "idea. (1) = a notion, conception of some person or thing, notio, notitia, informatio, imago, forma." IacobusAmor 14:54, 1 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Idea"

message: Perhaps Divina proportio can be mentioned in this article somewhere? That's a pretty huge topic in aesthetics. --SECUNDUS ZEPHYRUS 17:10, 6 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divina Proportio 

message: Haec sententia nusquam apud Horatium reperitur, solum "auream quisquis mediocritatem" in carmine decimo libri secundi, quod haud pulchritudinem tractat. Sine dubio pauca de divina proportione, ut scribit supra Secundus Zephyrus, addere oportet, sed Horatius hic non utilis erit. Lesgles (disputatio) 18:11, 23 Ianuarii 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Humana pulchritudo sive aurea mediocritas"
Disputatio:Ferdinandus Magellanus

message: (My apologies for this message being in English) The vandal General Tojo is spamming Wikipedia by removing references and adding his books as the only reference. The books are nothing more than reprints of out of copyright sources, with spelling errors from the title page on forward (For example it is James McClymont, not MacClymont, and Gaspar Correia, not Correa, and Charles Edwards Lester, not Charles Lester Edwards). This article is one of his targets, please watch for removal of valid references and adding of the spam references by new users or IP's. The books spammed so far are: 
* Magellan (2008) by Francis Guillemard (died 1933), Antonio Pigafetta (died 1534), Francisco Albo (contemporary of Magellan), Gaspar Correa (contemporary of Magellan), Keith Bridgeman (Editor) and Tahira Arsham (Editor); ISBN 978-1906421007
* Amerigo Vespucci (2009) by Charles Lester Edwards (died 1890), Amerigo Vespucci (died 1512), Keith Bridgeman (Editor) and Tahira Arsham (Editor); ISBN 978-1906421021
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Please watch for removal of valid references and replacement with spam, and revert accordingly. As for the identity of the spammer and vandal General Tojo:
*Keith Bridgeman, London is the editor of all the books spammed by General Tojo
*Keith Bridgeman, London is the owner of the publishing house publishing the books spammed by General Tojo
*Keith Bridgeman, London is the owner of some Parkinson's disease patents spammed by General Tojo on Wikipedia for quite a few years now
*Keith Bridgeman, London is also the owner of the web page advertising both the Parkinson stuff and the books spammed by General Tojo.
For details see :en:Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of General Tojo -- Chris 73 11:27, 3. Okt. 2009 (CEST)
thread_title: Bad Book Spam warning 

message: Can I ask what is the issue? Fonte an Latinitate?Gratias ago.--Jondel 23:54, 23 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: rebellionem?
Disputatio:Santorum

message: De qua re disserit haec pagina?
# Si de physiologia sexuali, nondum stipula est; igitur formulam imposui.
# Si de ioco a Dan Savage facto, moveri debet aut ad Iocus in Ricardum Santorum a Daniele Savage factus (vel sim.) aut in Daniel Keenan Savage.
# Si de philosophia morali Ricardi Santorum, de ea re in pagina Ricardus Iohannes Santorum necesse est loqui; in hac pagina minime relevat. Sententias respectivas [nunc ad Ricardus Iohannes Santorum removi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:47, 15 Octobris 2009 (UTC)]
An recte distingui? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:12, 3 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: CNN non est Fox. Homophylophilia non est incestus. Quid scire velis? IacobusAmor 17:50, 3 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Res huius paginae 

message: :Categoria:Maledicta ex trivio adrepta !--Cicero's phrase for 'slang'-- 
 :Categoria:Publica Civitatum Foederatarum vocabula !--U.S. political terms-- 
 :Categoria:Quod attinet ad sexum in cultura populari
Hic habemus (ut credo) nec culturam popularem, nec terminologiam politicam, nec "slang". Habemus neologismum iocosum linguae Anglicae Americanae. Pro tempore igitur eas categorias removi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:12, 3 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categoriae 

message: ----
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Here above are some suggested sister links to other relevant project pages that are available for this article. They might be helpful additions for incoming readers, to add to the Nexus externi subsection on this page. 
Enjoy! Cheers, Cirt 19:47, 12 Ianuarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister links to other projects available for this page
Disputatio:Religio Islamica

message: This is not enough about the second largest religion in the world. There are today 1.57 billion Muslims. We need to modify and update our information about them. [Scripsit عقاب عنزة]
replies: text: You're quite right. Feel free to expand the article. Everybody is welcome to help! IacobusAmor 12:14, 9 Octobris 2009 (UTC)

message: Nasheed Latine non melius Nashid vel Nasid ? IacobusAmor 11:52, 9 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio Categoriae:Seleucidae

message: I don't think we can call them "Reges Seleuciae", can we? Seleucia is the name of some cities, but not the name of their kingdom or even their capital. One possibility is :Categoria:Seleucidae (the name of their dynasty, often used in shorthand for their kingdom as well). Other suggestions? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:47, 6 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... youre right. Sorry, it was a cheap copy-over. I was a lazy Latinist today. I like your idea, although "Princeps" and "rector" are possibilities. They dont hold the title of "satraps" after Seleucus, do they? CeleritasSoni 17:05, 6 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :OK, so I have now created :Categoria:Seleucidae (for the dynasty) and :Categoria:Regnum Seleucidarum (for the territory/kingdom/empire). I have a suspicion that only in modern times has it been elevated to empire, and that Greeks and Romans called it a kingdom, but I'm very probably wrong. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:09, 9 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ::And as far as I understand, the Romans referred to it as "Syria" (cf Bellum Syriacum against Antiochus)--Xaverius 09:36, 9 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :::That is only because by that time the kingdom had been reduced to Syria, the rest having been taken mostly by the Parthians. --Fabullus 23:12, 10 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::But surely I'm wrong about the declension, after all? Should it be "Seleucidum"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:19, 11 Octobris 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  De nomine categoriae