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Disputatio:Dens

message: Che e "csons", Massimo? "Liberi" e la migliore traduzione da "ragazzi"...--Ioshus (disp) 11:34, 8 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: Campanini - Carboni, Vocabolario Latino - Italiano ; Italiano - Latino, Torino 1961  per Liberi, -orum  da figli, prole esempio "ius trium liberorum" diritti accordati ai padri di tre figli. Ciao Massimo e buona festa (almeno qui da noi oggi si sta a casa)--Massimo Macconi 11:40, 8 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ma, non so, però il mio dizionario.. 

message: For a good summary of the different types of teeth as they are named in classical sources, see L&S s.v.! --Iustinus 18:05, 5 Septembris 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of teeth 

message: movenda ad dens? --UV 21:32, 5 Septembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, definitely.--Ioscius (disp) 14:49, 6 Septembris 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movenda ad [[dens]]? 

message: Vicipaediae aliae inter 'dens' et 'dens humanus' distinguunt. Adhuc recensiones istius paginae fere solum ad dentes humanos respiciunt. Propono, ut posthac quandam separationem sequamur. Andreas Raether (disputatio) 09:13, 16 Maii 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Consentimus, quia "human tooth" est unum ex 10 000 rerum maximi momenti! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:23, 16 Maii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divisio 'dens' et 'dens humanus'
Disputatio:Musica gothica popularis

message: Is this edtit by an anonymous user ok? --Rolandus 19:10, 10 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ist es, da hier allmöglicher Kram zusammengefasst wurde, der mit Gothic nix zu tun hat. Mittelalterrock ist 'ne ganz andere Liga. --87.122.54.99 16:51, 25 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Overnight, someone has changed "Saepe ad genus grave metallum pertinent" to "Saepe ad genus marcius pertinent." What's this marcius ? It isn't in my dictionary, and the only Latin attestation my dictionary offers for it is as the Roman name Marcius, relating to the word for 'hammer'. Is the reason for the change that the meaning of marcius is clearer ? or that grave metallum was wrong ? IacobusAmor 13:42, 10 Martii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''marcius''&thinsp;?
Disputatio:Centesimus Annus

message: Nexus externus non invenitur. --Alex1011 10:21, 11 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: Versio latina in situ sanctae sedis non est--85.1.3.163 13:02, 11 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centesimus annus
Disputatio:Vindobona

message: Is "Vindobona" actually used to refer to the modern city?  It is the name of the ancient Roman city on the same spot, but was it used  in Latin inscriptions and so forth in the modern period? (added by 72.66.89.124)
replies: text: I have added a second source ... but this is not an answer. ;-) --Rolandus 22:47, 11 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: :Vindobona certainly is and has been used, and it seems Vienna is also used. I have added a third source.

text: :Vienna is also the (classical) name of a town in France. A discretiva line appears at the head of that other article. OK? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:04, 20 Iunii 2007 (UTC)

text: Numerous Latin inscriptions on monuments in the city show that, in fact, "Vienna" is the Latin name for the modern city.  Vindobona solely refers to the ancient city, just as in English.  Given that this article is mostly about the modern city, shouldn't it be at Vienna? 71.175.253.236 13:29, 28 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :This has been asserted before: "in fact" (to over-use a common idiom) both names are used. "Vienna" happens to be ambiguous, being also the name of a French city, a river and a department; that's one small reason for preferring Vindobona. However, if you'd like to show, with evidence, that the weight of modern usage favours "Vienna", that would certainly be relevant.

text: :I note that "Catholic Dioceses", uncharacteristically, sits on the fence: "Archidioecesis Viennensis o Vindobonensis". So does the university. Not much help there, apparently. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:54, 28 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::In my eyes the anonymous author 71.175.253.236 is right concerning the period till 1800. Afterwards Vindobona is used more and more again (why? At least partly because of Latin schoolbooks with maps of "Austria Latina", where today's places are shown by their Roman names?). I'd personally prefer Vienna, but in modern Latin usage Vindobona seem to prevail! Some randomly chosen examples:
#Coins 1814/16: 
#Scientific Latin 1885: 
# Vindobona in a Vatican document 1909: 
# Vindobona in CIL (1974): 
# Modern school 1996/97: []
# Certamen Vaticanum 2006/2007: []--Utilo 19:04, 28 Septembris 2010 (UTC)

message: I took out Anglice Vienna, Francogallice Vienne, because these aren't relevant to a page in Latin about Vienna. I left the eastern European names, doubtfully; Vienna was once the capital of an empire in which those languages were spoken, but I think they might multiply and become unwieldy (one could add as many more). Other opinions? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:51, 20 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Names in other languages
Disputatio:Wii

message: Wii enemicos eius contundat!
 Wii optimum consolus est! Est melior tam PS3 vel Xbox 360.
 "sed cur?", roges, QUIA EST, ILLE CUR EST!
This was posted by an anonymous user. :D Funny. --BiT 02:28, 12 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Funny, but sadly not appr. for Wikipedia

message: In pagina dicitur "Wii ab Xboge 360 et Playstatione 3 aemulatur". Quomodo? Est 'zelus consolarum lusoriarum'... Sed quoque possibiliter... Hanc sententiam non delevi. Sed necesse sunt fontes! 208.103.66.69 18:53, 22 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Confer :en:Wii: "As a seventh-generation console, the Wii primarily competes with Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3" (sine fonte). NB: aemulari est verbum deponens; itaque ab addi non potest. --Neander 19:18, 22 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addidi dubsig
Disputatio:Ioannes Adams

message: ...erat praesidens: imperfect of duration. --Alex1011 17:33, 12 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and as Bradley's Arnold says, "The Latin Imperfect tense denotes an action which was continuous in the past, and corresponds to the English 'I was doing'." But here the statement is historical: not "John Adams was being president" (when such & such happened), but "John Adams was president" (and is no more). In other words, my conception follows Allen & Greenough: "In many verbs [the Imperfect] does not differ in meaning from the Perfect. Thus rex erat and rex fuit may often be used indifferently; but the former describes the condition while the latter only states it" (#470). I was merely stating the fact: he was president, and that's that. Granted, the perfect here may sound more abrupt (bald? clinical?) than the imperfect. Could a native Latin-speaker please let us know what to do? ;)

text: This issue has profound implications for the entire Vicipaedia, because, just as articles can start with a sentence of the form "A est B," they can start with a sentence of the form "A erat/fuit B." Very, very many follow that pattern, and they might all want to choose the same tense for it. Which tense should it be? IacobusAmor 18:32, 12 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: :Maybe people would like to look at the start of articles written by native speakers to see what turns up. I've been browsing in Suetonius, and here are the beginnings of the first sentences of two articles in his De Poetis, with the Loeb translation:
replies: text: ::Publius Terentius Afer, Karthagine natus, serviit Romae Terentio Lucano senatori. "Publius Terentius Afer, born at Carthage, was the slave at Rome of Terentius Lucanus, a senator."

text: ::P. Vergilius Maro Mantuanus parentibus modicis fuit. "Publius Vergilius Maro, a native of Mantua, had parents of humble origin."

text: :Both use the perfect, though neither exactly follows the structure we're examining here. IacobusAmor 19:16, 12 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

text: Historia Apollonii Tyri, prima sententia: In civitate Antiochia rex fuit quidam nomine Antiochus, a quo ipsa civitas nomen accepit Antiochia. Is habuit unam filiam, virginem speciosissimam, in qua nihil rerum natura exerraverat, nisi quod mortalem statuerat.Secundum Ioannem, prologus: In principio erat Verbum, et Verbum erat aput Deum, Et Deus erat Verbum. Hoc erat in principio apud Deum.Secundum Lucam: Fuit in diebus Herodis regis Iudaeae sacerdos quidam nomine Zacharias de vice Abia, et uxor illius de filiabus Aaron, et nomen eius Elisabeth. Erant autem iusti ambo ante Deum ... et non erat illis filius. ... --Alex1011 22:42, 12 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: LionhardusCiampa 23:23, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ambo potes dicere, sed civitatum frequentius dicitur.  —Mucius Tever 18:37, 24 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civitatum sive Civitat'''i'''um???? 

message: Meyers Großes Konversations-Lexikon, tomus 1. Lipsiae 1905, p. 95 (hic in interreti)
thread_title: Fons recensionis mense Iulio 2020
Disputatio:Mars (planeta)

message: To 89, or whoever drafted this: what (in English, French, German, or Spanish, please) does Elementum celeberrimum carbonium mean? All I get out of it is 'A/The renowned element carbon', and that's neither a sentence nor a fact self-evidently relevant to Mars. My dictionary says celeberrimus, -a, -um can mean 'abounding in'—but then, for the abundant thing, it seems to require the ablative; hence elemento celeberrimum carbonio 'abounding in the element carbon'? That parsing is possible only if Mars is neuter (celeberrimum), but it's masculine (celeberrimus). So what's the sentence trying to say? IacobusAmor 18:05, 12 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: WOW.  Im truly impressed by this article.  When I left (temporarily) Wikipedia because of my schoolwork, I had just made the template at the bottom of the page.  Back then this was a stub.  Bona Labora!(I think thats how one says it...)
thread_title:  ! 

message: 201.170.173.56, care amice sine nomine, in tua sententia "Aliqui investigatores 
ut haec protectio speluncas bonas candidatas futuris aquae liquidae et vitae signorum inveniendorum conatibus faciant suggessere," quid significant suggessere? Dicis "suggessere =suggesserunt forma recta est," sed verbum suggĕro -gĕrĕre -gessi -gessum = (Anglice, e.g.,) 'to bring up, supply, provide, to add, to attach, to place next'. Secundum Casell's, Anglice 'to suggest' non est suggerere, sed potius = (rem homini) subicere.  IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:46, 6 Septembris 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: ''suggessere''?
Disputatio:Pong cervisiale

message: "Sermo stercoralis" is very clever, but there has GOT to be a classical idiom for this. --Iustinus 08:33, 13 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: :::blushes:::...maybe =].--Ioscius (disp) 12:17, 13 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
What about maledictum?--Ioscius (disp) 21:40, 16 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

text: Irrisio? IacobusAmor 22:17, 16 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: Lehigh doesnt have a classics department proper, but i sent an email to someone who teaches latin and history there. He refered me to a clerk in the library who did some research and says that even as far back as the late 1800s when they started the college, there was never an attested latin name for the university. How can/should I cite this?--Ioshus (disp) 18:06, 7 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, you're doing numquam non again, and I am quite sure you are thinking of Greek.
replies: text: :I'm definitely thinking of Latin, I'm just wrong, it seems...--Ioscius (disp) 18:14, 7 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

text: Second of all, my opinion on giving the names of universities in Latin is this:

text: *If the University is named after a person (especially if the full name is given), use Universitas + name in the genitive.

text: *In most other cases, use Universitas + Name-ensis.

text: This somewhat violates the principles of VP:TNP, but it does seem to me that when writers refer to universities in Latin, they do Latinize the name even if one isn't attested. Perhaps there should be a footnote to indicate that the name is made up though.

text: As for technicalities of how to cite this, which is, I think, your real question, I don't know.

text: --Iustinus 18:11, 7 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Maybe our editor in consulting Iacobus has an idea...if not I wonder if Petrus might know...--Ioscius (disp) 18:14, 7 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  lehigh 

message: I just want to say that this is awesome. Thank you, whoever made it! I would say that in Latin, but all I remember is "Agricola portat aquam ad castra" and i isti it imus istis erunt. --164.82.144.3 19:41, 16 Martii 2007 (UTC) (Awiseman on English Wikipedia)
thread_title:  Comment from English Wikipedia user 

message: Secundum Newtonum Eulerumque, temporis unitates sunt minutus et secundus, ambo masculini. Vide pagina Secundus. In linguis Romanticis, et Italica et Hispanica, ambo quoque sunt masculini. Quamquam Whitaker's Words dixit ambos esse feminina quando tempus denotatur, credo Whitaker errare.--Rafaelgarcia 08:09, 2 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Traupman dat "momentum temporis" =]. Credo hoc verbum minutus/minuta recentem esse, fontem ergo inveniendum ex textu, non lexico. Newton sat bene scripsit Latine, nos eum credamus.--Ioscius (disp) 13:31, 2 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unitas Temporis

message: Is it worth pointing out that the "houseguests" on the American TV reality-show competition Big Brother have been playing beer pong this week? When did beer pong first appear on television? IacobusAmor 13:08, 16 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Televised play
Disputatio:Acerrae (Langobardia)

message: delenda}}? Scio Acerra urbem Italiae meridionalis esse non tribus (it.wiki non est)--Massimo Macconi 20:15, 13 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: moveo Vicipaediae:Acerrae ad Acerrae (Langobardia): Acerrae / Acerra est etiam urbs in Campania--Massimo Macconi 21:08, 13 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  mossa est 

message: Should it ...? --Rolandus 12:30, 16 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: contribuenda

message: Acerrae (pluralia tantum) urbs regionis Transpadanae (hodie Lombardia) fuerunt, sed idem nomen etiam hodiernae Acerra in Campania regione erat. Cum de Acerris "septemprionalibus" describeret, hodie Transpadana pars Langobardiae italicae regionis est. Sed Acerrae extinctae sunt ante agrum suum a Langobardis captum (568-603): deinde, Acerrae nec Langobardicae fuerunt - solum gallicae aut romanae - nec vidit hodiernam divisionem agri Italiae septemprionalis. Mea sententia, melius dictione «Acerrae (Transpadana)» uti videretur, pro meliore vinculo cum sua historia gallica romanaque. Pro meliore vinculo cum hodierno agro Langobardo et pro meliore relatione cum Vicipaediae utentibus - qui in his temporibus vitas agunt - simpliciter pagina «Acerrae (Langobardia)» redirigeri potest ad «Acerrae (Transpadana)». Simpliciter.--Davide Tansini 22:22, 17 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acerrae
Disputatio:Saxophonium

message: And they accuse the people who actually use latin properly around here of having too much time on their hands...--Ioshus (disp) 04:21, 15 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: ciao--Massimo Macconi 12:17, 15 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it was funny enough to keep around til the morning. =]--Ioshus (disp) 13:24, 15 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: :ROTFLOL! It should be moved to a fitting section, something like Vicipaedia:Ioci, as :en:Wikipedia:Bad_Jokes_and_Other_Deleted_Nonsense. Is it already present somewhere around here? - εΔω 15:52, 15 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ::We do not have such a section yet. And, of course, this page should get serious content sometimes. However, as Ioshus said, others should also have the chance to read that, so I like it, that such harmless jokes are not deleted immediately. On the other hand: If soemeone wants to provide serious content ... just do it! ;-) --Rolandus 16:03, 15 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  non est pagina delenda? 

message: {{delenda}}
I don't know how to speak Latin but in an attempt I will add "um" to everything.
Saxophonium isum aum musicalum instrumentum madeum ofum brassum. Itum isum uniqueum, sinceum althoughum itum isum madeum ofum brassum, itum stillum usesum aum reedum. Thereforeum, theum saxophonium isum classifiedum asum aum woodwindum instrumentum. Theum saxohponium alsoum sportsum fluteum or clarinetum like keysum, andum hasum it'sum signatureum curvedum bellum.
Theum saxophonium familyum consistsum ofum theum Piccoloum, Sopraninoum, Sopranoum, Altoum, Tenorum, Baritoneum, Bassum, andum Contrabassum Saxphoniums.
thread_title:  old text 

message: Still keeping this?--Ioshus (disp) 21:43, 9 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  still keeping this
Disputatio MediaWiki:Sitenotice

message: UV, how do I get the picture in there?--Ioshus (disp) 04:06, 16 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just put it in. Further information is available at meta:Fundraising sitenotice 2006 Q4 and at the pages linked to from the site notice. Greetings, --UV 23:41, 16 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: Financial shoud be argentarius-a-um, statement affirmatio?! Not sure...--Ioshus (disp) 01:16, 18 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Declaratio lucri divitiarumque? --UV 00:23, 19 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: :Documenta fiscalia? --Iustinus 03:20, 2 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  financial statements 

message: Hello, good news! Thanks to FreedomFighterSparrow and Brion, unregistered users can now hide the sitenotice again. Previously, they were forced to see it continuously.
In all cases, please use the sitenotice with care, and keep in mind that occasional visitors see sitenotices on all their visits, if they visit less than once a month or they don't click "dismiss" and save a cookie. Nemo 15:43, 24 Martii 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{int:sitenotice_close}}
Disputatio:Iohannes de Garlandia (grammaticus)

message: Andrew, I think this page should be moved to Johannes... If an author wrote his name a certain way we should respect that. We can make a small template that explains the naming ratio. Maybe something like:
Titulus huius paginae VP:TNP violat, quod haec forma nominis attestatur, vel auctor ipse eodem modo nomen solebat scripsere."
What do you think?--Ioshus (disp) 21:32, 16 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As you may have seen, that's where I put it originally! I then moved it to Iohannes ... because it struck me that in our Vicipaedia Latin standard J is not used. Then User:Massimo Macconi moved it to Ioannes ... on the grounds that "Latine Ioannes non IoHannes".

text: I'm not happy with Ioannes, which, whatever Massimo says, is not the only Latin spelling, and is not the form used by the man himself. I prefer the h to be in there. As for the choice between J and I, that's a different matter because it depends how you transliterate medieval manuscripts: there is generally agreed to be a single Latin letter that may be written I or J.

text: Finally I prefer Iohannes, and, if we choose that, I think there's no need for a note in the article about the way he spelt his name. But we do need articles (some already exist) about the variant spellings of "Christian names", with redirect pages to assist those who type in Johannes or Jacobus and expect to find something. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:17, 17 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: :PS: I like your proposed template. I'm sure it will have plenty of uses! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:20, 17 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
Agreed on all points.  --Iustinus 03:03, 19 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps we should write up a page on the name itself, with a discussion of Ioannes vs. Iohannes: the idea that the -h- is non-Latin has come up before, and when it happens again, it would be nice to have a page to direct people to --Iustinus 03:05, 19 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: for my  wrong correction--Massimo Macconi 17:47, 17 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all good, Massimo. I'm just a little sensitive to this issue, having chosen a non standard translation of Giosuè for my latin name. =] --Ioshus (disp) 17:57, 17 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: :Yes, it's fine! We will get these names into shape, I know we will. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:01, 17 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sorry..
Disputatio:Tigris

message: That's what i call an "article"!

message: In "faelis praedans," care 88.64.236.74, usor sine nomine, quid significat faelis, hoc nomen arcanum? IacobusAmor 18:16, 1 Maii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Verbum malum pro felis. Pantocrator 18:45, 1 Maii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Faelis
Disputatio Formulae:Capsa hominis

message: Nonne melius Nomen Vernaculum? --Iustinus 03:19, 20 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure many things would be better. :x) It's not anything that's displayed, but if we're gonna make it good we'll hafta make it backwards compatible (  or somesuch) or else change those pages that link here.  —Myces Tiberinus
replies: text: :Oops, yeah, I somehow forgot that it doesn't show up in the text. --Iustinus 03:55, 21 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

message: vide Disputatio Formulae:Capsa hominis/draft. --UV (disputatio) 21:08, 24 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  De formula contributa "Capsa hominis" 

message: For the reasons mentioned in our previous discussion at Disputatio Formulae:Capsa hominis/draft (and for the additional reason that wikidata is now here), I am hesitant concerning the addition of new pieces of information to our template and to individual articles' template parameters. I have therefore modified the addition of a "munus" line (that was in use on one article only) so that it is not possible to enter a text for "munus" here, but when the parameter munus=wikidata is present, it will retrieve the profession from wikidata, as can be seen on our pagina mensis now.
Troubleshooting: When you add munus=wikidata and see ugly "Q12345" entries in the infobox, then the profession does not have a Latin label on wikidata yet. Go to wikidata, change your language to Latin in your wikidata preferences, go to the wikidata item on the profession and add a Latin label. Reload our article and the profession will show correctly. --UV (disputatio) 22:15, 4 Novembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There's only one thing. Wikidata is not a reliable source (though approximately as reliable as Vicipaedia, no doubt): there might be occasions when it says something which is in Latin or in Vicipaedia terms silly. In those cases, we would either have to change Wikidata (which might make other Wikipedias cross) or remove the "munus" line from our infobox. Not a big problem, but I can see it might arise.

text: In the case of Samuel Ampzing, I didn't quite know what to say for Q152002. Looking at the English, "pastor reformatus" might not suit all cases, though it seems to correspond closely to the French. "Pastor" on its own means a shepherd! I have inserted "pastor reformatus" for now. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:10, 29 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :At present the words I inserted do not appear in the infobox. Maybe it's a cache problem? Or maybe it doesn't work until we have an article Pastor reformatus? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:24, 29 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :: A "null edit" on the page Samuel Ampzing (I clicked "", then "") made the profession appear. An article on the profession is not required. --UV (disputatio) 21:52, 29 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :::I should have tried that. Thanks, UV. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:40, 30 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  munus
Disputatio:Galliformes

message: Why does the order by which the families are listed in the text differ from the order by which they're listed in the sidebar? (In reference works, consistency of presentation is desirable.) IacobusAmor 04:36, 21 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the list was copied & pasted from the English Wikipedia, where the same phenomenon occurs. Feel free to adjust it.  —Myces Tiberinus 19:45, 21 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: :I would, but I don't know the preferable taxonomical order! IacobusAmor 20:06, 21 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Lacking any order given a special reason, you can't go wrong with alphabetical.
thread_title:  Ordo familiarum