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Disputatio:Pittsburgum

message: "deinde maxima" does not mean "second largest" in Latin, it means "and then the largest"; the way to say "second largest in size" is "secunda in magnitudine" or second largest in population "secunda in numero incolarum"--123.192.69.44 04:51, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I'm wondering if another way would be to use multitudo, which can by itself mean "number of people, population", thus: "urbs multitudine secunda", city [that is] second by population). Would that work? I realise I've often wanted to write something like this on city pages without ever thinking out the neatest ways to do it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:46, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :I think yours is a good proposal, Andrew, and I say go ahead and implement it since right now the article says just "maxima in Pennsilvania", which is factually incorrect. —Alexander hoc scripsit 17:44, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Thanks! but since you wrote that it's been changed to "omnium urbium in Pennsilvania in magnitudine secunda"; I think that is very clear, and I see no need to change it again. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:25, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)

message: De: "punctum="point" neutri generis." Sic, punctus autem est nomen medii aevi; vide contrapunctus. (Neutri pro neutrius?) IacobusAmor 20:02, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ita, in omnibus rebus scientiae mathematicaeque (Newtono, DeCaille, Eulero, et aliis auctoribus) quam umquam legi, legi punctum neutro genere. ( De contrapuctus nescio. Punctum neutrius generis, ut credo, sensu mathematico geometrico locativoque provenit e participio verbo pungo; et participii formae puncta et punctus alios sensus praebere possunt)(ita de verbo 'neutrius', recte dixisti.)--123.192.69.44 20:13, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Punctum/Punctus

message: IIRC, a venerable professor once suggested secunda urbs a maximá [urbe] = urbs secunda a maximá. IacobusAmor 20:06, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Et 'prima a maxima' quae est, illa 'second largest'?--123.192.69.44 20:17, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The pattern of 'second-largest city'
Disputatio:Nationalis Trames Scaenicus Appalachianus

message: I put the following hidden text here so that it stays safe till you're ready to work on it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:34, 5 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
[[Categoria:Vivarium Nationale Shenandoah]] [[Categoria:Vivarium Civitatis Bear Mountain]] Bear Mountain State Park [[Categoria:Vivarium Civitatis Harriman]] 
STET UT VICIFETUR (this is a major set of U.S. topics):
Hiking trails in Connecticut | Hiking trails in Georgia (CFA) | Hiking trails in Maine | Hiking trails in Maryland | Hiking trails in Massachusetts | Hiking trails in New Hampshire | Hiking trails in New Jersey | Hiking trails in New York | Hiking trails in North Carolina | Hiking trails in Pennsylvania | Hiking trails in Tennessee | Hiking trails in Vermont | Hiking trails in Virginia | Hiking trails in West Virginia | Hiking trails in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park | Long-distance trails in the United States |
United States National Park Service areas | United States National Park Service areas in Connecticut | United States National Park Service areas in Georgia (CFA) | United States National Park Service areas in Maine | United States National Park Service areas in Maryland | United States National Park Service areas in Massachusetts | United States National Park Service areas in New Hampshire | United States National Park Service areas in New Jersey | United States National Park Service areas in New York | United States National Park Service areas in North Carolina | United States National Park Service areas in Pennsylvania | United States National Park Service areas in Tennessee | United States National Park Service areas in Vermont | United States National Park Service areas in Virginia | United States National Park Service areas in West Virginia |
Protected areas of Coos County, New Hampshire | Protected areas of Grafton County, New Hampshire | Protected areas of Carroll County, New Hampshire | Protected areas established in 1923 -->
thread_title:  Textum celatum removi
Disputatio:Spiralis

message: Spira substantiuum est; spiralis est adiectiuum. Ita pagina haec spira debetur. Pantocrator 23:54, 12 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: spira in latin means 'coil'; spiralis means 'spiral' both adjective and noun according to Newton's usage in his principia. What is your source? Also is that phrase " quae generatur puncto centrali oritur" suppose to be meaningful somehow? --208.49.44.196 01:41, 13 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :I went by the name Spira Mirabilis (logarithmic spiral), etymological dictionaries (several), and the fact that spiralis is clearly an adjective formed from spira. As to the phrase, I suppose 'oritur' should change to 'oriente'. Pantocrator 23:03, 13 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Newton says spiralis logarithmica and spiralis in the nominative. Who is more authoritative?--208.49.44.196 01:34, 14 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titulus
Disputatio:Dionysia Liliana Laval Soza

message: I suspect not: I think she's notable enough to have an entry. It's true that someone is developing articles about this Chilean city, but why not? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:44, 14 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vandalism_reports&oldid=2714782#V.C3.ADctor_Alexis_Cantillano_Oviedo MoiraMoira 07:32, 20 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thanks, yes, I saw that already. No one has objected to this page here during the last six days, so I think we are likely to keep it. Thank you for your vigilance, MoiraMoira. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:34, 20 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delenda
Disputatio:Batavi

message: For "Finds of wooden tablets show that at least some were literate," you've given Inveniat de ligneis tabulas ostenditur quod nonnulli autem ex eis litterati. That's more gibberish than Latin. It can be translated back into English as "Let it find from woodens the tablets which thing some, however, of them well-read it is shown." If you're a person (not a machine) and want to expand your skill at translating into Latin, you might benefit from studying how Latin cases work and paying more attention to Latin word-order. IacobusAmor 12:07, 15 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: To whoever/whatever drafted the original Latin
Disputatio Categoriae:Provinciae Regionalis Siciliae

message: Provinciae Regionalis Siciliae Anglice = 'the provinces of Regional Sicily'. Is it certain that the intended sense isn't 'the regional provinces of Sicily' (provinciae regionales Siciliae)? IacobusAmor 16:26, 16 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Roma hodierna: Campo Vaccino

message: Fortasse tabulam possedit Robert Ferguson (qui ab anno 1864 terris de Novar succedit nomenque Robert Munro Ferguson adsumpsit) filiusque Ronaldus Munro Ferguson qui ab anno 1884 a secretis meruit iuxta Archibaldum Primrose comitem Rosebery. De hac re fontem nondum repperi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:37, 19 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inter 1864 et 1878
Disputatio:Vailima (domus)

message: Punjab? ;) --Iustinus 06:25, 22 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Vailima Samoane = vai 'aqua' + lima 'quinque'. IacobusAmor 11:59, 22 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :Item, ut suspicor te iam scire, "پنج" 'quique,' "اب" 'aqua' --Iustinus 12:28, 22 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen (iocus)
Disputatio:Mare Ligusticum

message: Mmm, Ligusticum mare. Esurio! --Iustinus 12:48, 23 Iulii 2011 (UTC)

message: Demiror, cur Mare Ligusticum, multis fontibus confirmatum, in "Ligusticum mare" motum sit. Neander 21:51, 12 Ianuarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In Nuadae loco non possum, at equidem ego ita nomina paginarum statuere malo ut verba magis discretiva in initio sint. Maximum bonum huius est in "alphabetizatione." --Iustinus 02:38, 13 Ianuarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: : Si alphabetizationem sinamus usum tollere, nonne timendum est, ne verae Latinitati noceamus? Sed ea condicione hanc rationem technicam facile tolero, si ipsum lemma more usitato scribimus, licet quaedam tituli et lemmatis discrepantia nascatur. Neander 12:52, 14 Ianuarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :: At bene scis ordinem verborum a necessitudineutilitate/sensu pendere, neque (nisi rarissime) locutioni inhaerere, e.g. "Imperium Romanum" si volumus conferre "Regnum Romanum," "Rempublicam Romanam," at "Romanum Imperium" si "Aegyptium Imperium," "Americanum Imperium," et ita porro. Ergo fortasse Ligustucum mare conferendum est cum aliis maribus, Mare Ligusticum cum ligustico? ;) --Iustinus 18:15, 14 Ianuarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: ::: Ambo scimus Latinam liberi verborum ordinis linguam esse, et quidem in oratione continua hanc libertatem variis rebus pragmaticis servire. Quod ad titulos attinet, constat naturalem ordinem, ex indole typologica SVO emanantem, "N + Adi" esse, quod bene ex testimoniis etiam ad Mare Ligusticum pertinentibus apparet. ¶ Paululum istud argumentum ad alphabetizationem miror: cur nostra refert alphabetizationem tanta severitate respicere? verumne damnum contrahent "Mare Ligusticum", "Mar Ligure", "Mer Ligure", &c in titulis scribentes? Neander 20:27, 15 Ianuarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  De motu temerario
Disputatio Categoriae:Res astronomicae characteribus Bayeri agnitae

message: Nomen Anglicum est Bayer objects ; nunc autem in Vicipaedia, Res astronomicae characteribus Bayeri agnitae. Melius hic simpliciter Res Bayer vel Res Bayerianae ? (Secundum Cassell's, character non est verbum, et pro Anglico character sensu 'the natural quality of anything' nobis dat ingenium et proprietas.) Simile Flamsteed objects, Durchmusterung objects, HIP objects, etc. IacobusAmor 14:07, 23 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Bayerus ipse, qui Latine scripsit, hoc verbo usus est. In pagina categorica nunc nexos de Bayero et de catalogo eius inserui (gratias ago ob omissionem ita monstratam!); potes, si velis, verbum in eo catalogo reperire. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:20, 24 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :Liber Bayeri, in quo hoc verbo usus est, sic intitulatur: Ioannis Bayeri Rhainani, I.C., Explicatio characterum aeneis Uranometrias imaginum tabulis insculptorum .... Alii astronomi Latine scribentes aut eodem verbo "character" aut "littera" usi sunt. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:55, 24 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ::The question refers to the wordiness of the category-name. Compare the other wikis (omitting those in scripts unintelligible here): ca:Objectes de Bayer, en:Bayer objects, mk:Бајерови објекти, ms:Objek Bayer, nl:Sterren op Bayer-aanduiding, pl:Obiekty Bayera, ro:Obiecte Bayer, sk:Bayerove objekty, tr:Bayer nesneleri. Only the Dutch looks more complicated than Res Bayerianae might be, and even the Dutch looks less complicated than 'Astronomical things recognized by Bayer's characters'. IacobusAmor 17:00, 24 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :::I'm not wedded to this phraseology. But how to shorten it and still be clear? In English, anyone moderately involved in the topic knows what a "Bayer object" is: the term is used by astronomers. I know of no such phrase in Latin. Certainly, if there is one, let's use it. If there isn't, better to remain explicit. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:50, 24 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Fretum Gaditanum

message: I removed "vulgo Fretum Calpense" because there was no source. My impression is that this was an invented translation of the Spanish or English name. If so, it shouldn't be bolded as if it were an alternative lemma. If I'm wrong and there is a source for this name, please restore the text and cite the source! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:46, 25 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobis dicit en: "It is also known as the Straits of Gibraltar, or STROG (Strait Of Gibraltar), in naval use.[1] See, for instance, Nato Medals: Medal for Active Endeavor, awarded for activity in the international water of the Mediterranean and STROG." IacobusAmor 14:58, 25 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :Yes, I thought as much. Thanks for confirming. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:52, 25 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fretum Calpense
Disputatio:Grammatica Cambrica

message: Sunt linguae Cambricae tres modi consonantium mutandarum, qui sic appellantur (Cambrice [translatio ad litteram Latina] - Anglice - Francogallice):
*treiglad medddal [mutatio lenis] - soft mutation - lénition
*treiglad trwynol [mutatio nasalis] - nasal mutation - nasalisation
*treiglad llaes [mutatio flaccida] - aspirate mutation - spirantisation
Mea (perquam arta) scientia non exstant translationes Latinae harum rerum. Nisi displicet, mutationes "lenis, nasalis, flaccida" nominabo, sed alias commendationes beate accipiam, praecipue quoniam nescio utrum 'nasalis' sit verbum. (; Mattie 20:32, 26 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Item treiglad caled (Anglice "hard mutation," Francogallice "provection") verbatim transtuli: "mutatio dura." Anadliad caled (verbatim "respiratio (?) dura"; Anglice nescio quomodo dicitur, Francogallice "aspiration") autem forma Francogallica usus "aspiratio" appellavi, quae optima mihi videtur. Mattie 22:04, 27 Iulii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mutationes earumque nomina Latina 

message: Hanc phrasin in linguam Latinam sic transtuli: "Ego sum is, qui felem vidi." Rectene feci? Mattie 16:00, 26 Septembris 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ego sum qui/quae felem vidi? IacobusAmor
thread_title:  "C'est moi qui ai vu le chat"; "I'm the one who saw the cat."
Disputatio:Cancer harenam bullans

message: "Not a taxon," it's said, but if Vicipaedia follows Wikipedia's lead, this is the only article the genera Dotilla and Scopimera will have (with redirects to this article from those names). If those genera deserve & get their own articles, then and only then will the cry of "not a taxon" have relevance here. IacobusAmor 16:21, 2 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Dotilla'' et ''Scopimera'' sunt taxa.

message: Since bullare is intransitive (as is bullire, its close relative), the present lemma is unsatisfactory. What verb is better? Perhaps inflare ? or something else? ¶ For that matter, can useful generalizations be made about how to translate English phrases showing the syntax of NOUN-VERBing NOUN (e.g., sand-bubbling crab)? Of course special compounds sometimes exist for the NOUN-VERBing part (e.g., stigmatifer 'stigma-bearing', zymogenus 'fermentation-producing', etc.). IacobusAmor 17:28, 2 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Melius lemma desideratum
Disputatio:Index praeclariorum compositorum

message: Whence praeclariorum ? It verges on espousing a POV, and its equivalent isn't found in other checked wikis. Also, the link to the English wiki seems false, as it goes to a list of lists (as a kind of disambiguation page), not to a single list. IacobusAmor 11:30, 8 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why praeclariorum and not praeclarorum? How to distinguish between a compositor praeclarus to be included in the list and a compositor clarus or an ordinary compositor, both not to be included in this list? On the other hand, I would doubt the usefulness of an index compositorum omnium (since we have :Categoria:Compositores and since la.wikipedia is probably not the primary place where a list of all composers will be compiled). --UV 21:38, 28 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lemma
Disputatio:Crapula (Toulouse-Lautrec)

message: C'est possible que "gula lignea" soit une expression latine que je ne connaisse pas, mais gueule de bois signifie crapula (hangover en anglais). Mattie 19:27, 8 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Bien -- je me demandais si peut-être il y avait une autre nuance -- sinon, il vaut mieux renommer la page. Merci. "Gula lignea" est tout simplement une version "au pied de la lettre" des mots français. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:13, 8 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "gula lignea"
Disputatio:Cleidothaerus albidus

message: Why are you deleting taxon categories for the genus and the family? All three levels of classification are covered by this article, since there's only one genus in the family and only one species in the genus. If the taxon categories aren't retained here, the pertinent contributions made to science by Hedley in 1918 and Stutchbury in 1830 won't appear anywhere in Vicipaedia. IacobusAmor 19:38, 10 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not losing them: I have copy-pasted them to the redirects from the genus name and the family name. So those credits do in fact appear accurately, as you can verify if you check the category pages :Categoria:Taxa Hedley and :Categoria:Taxa Stutchbury. Sorry, I should have indicated this in the summarium -- I was working too hastily. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:00, 10 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :An ingenious workaround! (No problem then.) IacobusAmor 14:00, 11 Augusti 2011 (UTC)

text: I think the way you are developing the pages for crustacea, gastropoda and their friends is spectacular, incidentally. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:00, 10 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :One always liked seashells. (But the end of vacation looms.) IacobusAmor 14:00, 11 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Taxon categories
Disputatio:Spatium (astronomia)

message: Mihi videtur nomen proprium "spatium" esse (vide citationes, et cf. vicipaedias Francogallicam et Italianam). Fontes locutionis "spatium exterius" iam frustra postulavimus. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:21, 15 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But then what's to be done with international law on this subject, governed by the
replies: text: :Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies

text: :tratado en los principios de la gobernanza de las actividades de las naciones en la exploración y uso del espacio exterior, incluyendo a la luna u otros cuerpos celestes,

text: :traité sur les principes régissant les activités des États en matière d'exploration et d'utilisation de l'espace extra-atmosphérique, y compris la Lune et les autres corps célestes

text: :Trattato sui principi che governano le attività degli Stati in materia di esplorazione ed utilizzazione dello spazio extra-atmosferico compresa la Luna e gli altri corpi celesti

text: ??? IacobusAmor 17:07, 15 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :: I think we'd still have to use spatium exterius in those cases. Pantocrator 10:23, 16 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :::The French and Italian wikis don't seem to see it as a problem affecting this page: I don't either. To translate the name of that treaty literally, we'd have to decide anyway which language we were translating from! Having decided, we would go with the English and Spanish texts and do as Pantocrator says (that's assuming we consider "spatium exterius" sufficiently clear in Latin) or we would go with the French and Italian texts, which would give something a little more explicit like "spatium extra atmosphaeram" or "spatium extra-atmosphaericum". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:37, 16 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :::: Is it acceptable to add to this article the option of aethera siderea, shortened as aethera? I have seen it used in two dictionaries (online-latin-dictionary.com and neolatinlexicon.org) and think it is fitting as an option, since the ancients did consider that what was beyond the atmosphere was aether, even if they understood it differently. VABritto (disputatio) 15:11, 31 Maii 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::Note the need to keep things simple, especially in the first sentence :) But, having noted that, if you cite those two sources, it seems to me reasonable to add "aethera siderea" as a second lemma. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:54, 31 Maii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Roy Halladay

message: Apparently it's a corporation, so the capital letters are just as OK as they are in, say, "General Motors Company," but the phrase in Foedere Maioris Basipilae would seem to mean 'in the League of the Bigger Baseball', where the name hardly matches the official English name, "Major League Baseball." Syntactically in English, with the compound major-league functioning as an objective noun, the phrase major-league baseball boils down to 'baseball of the major leagues', not, for example, to 'the major league of baseball'. (The leagues in question are the American League and the National League). Ergo fortasse optimum nomen Latine conversum, Basipila Foederum Maiorum. Or, since it's a corporation, would societas be better for 'league' here? ¶ Also, what's Vicipaedia's rule about translating registered trademarks? IacobusAmor 18:33, 16 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's the question. The relevant rules at VP:TNP seem to be:
# Societates mercatoriae, religiosae, etc. non vertuntur, nisi nomen Latinum iam exstat aut si alii sermones eadem versione utuntur. Ita, Apple Inc., Colgate-Palmolive, Mitsubishi, Societas Crucis Rubrae. Si potes, adde versionem ad verbum factam inque parenthesi positam post primam rei mentionem: Mitsubishi (Iaponice: Tres Rhombi)
# Marca mercatoria non vertenda sunt. Quorum etiam, si potes, adde versionem in parenthesi.

text: So, I guess, we don't translate; unless indeed a separate rule needs to be worked out for sporting clubs, leagues and associations. I believe we haven't been consistent in this area. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:20, 17 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :I changed it back to Major League Baseball then, since the rule would apply to sporting organizations--HgArgentum 02:42, 19 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Thanks, HgArgente, that seems to be the correct move according to our current rule. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:30, 19 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Bear in mind, however, that certain commonly heard phrases, like "the major leagues," "the minor leagues," "a major-league ballpark," and even "minor-league baseball" (as opposed to "Major League Baseball"), are not proper names and may therefore escape the aforementioned strictures. ¶ Then we have Major League Gaming, Major League Soccer, the Cactus League, and the Grapefruit League, other apparently trademarked names. IacobusAmor 11:51, 19 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "in Foedere Maioris Basipilae"

message: How exactly would one render the terms "strikeout" and "strikes"? HgArgentum 23:18, 28 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure. Anyway, I think we should have a box for his stats, just like English wiki does. Pantocrator 00:37, 1 Septembris 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Strikeouts, Strikes
Disputatio:Leodium

message: Nonne haec pagina nominanda est "Leodium", quia hac nomine multo saepior utebantur, quam "Leodicum"? E.g., Google Books dat circa 40 300 pro "Leodium" (inter alia, in Lexico geographico Ferrarii), et circa 2 440 pro "Leodicum". Praeterea, forma "Leodium" in usu est in nominibus nonnullis sitibus Interretialibus: http://www.leodium.be/ ; http://www.liege-leodium.be/ ; http://www.leodium-avocats.be/ . -- Alexander Geraščenko 19:46, 18 Augusti 2011 (UTC)

message: Verbum usitatum apud geographos temporis humanistici et posthumanistici est LEODIUM (adiectivus = LEODIENSIS)
Verbum LEGIA minime usurpatur et mihi mediaevalis esse videtur.
LEODICUM est etiam mediaevale et rarius usurpatur quod verisimiliter alia urbs alicubi esse videtur. Sanctus Hubertus mortuus est in quodam pago cui nomen erat LEODICUM, scriptores postea confunderunt cum nomine urbis LEODII.
Igitur titulus rectior est LEODIUM non iste barbarismus Leodicum --Bruxellensis 14:46, 23 Augusti 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leodium