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Disputatio:Collyra

message: Thanks Jondel for the Latin name. :)
Actually my lexicon Norstedt (second and latest edition of 2009) says for "noodles" one word: collyra (f) (with no indication of where it should be stressed; it could either mean that it was forgotten, or that it should be stressed at the second to last syllable), and for "macaroni" two words: first cóllyra (f) (with the indication of stressing at the third to last syllable) and then pasta tubulata (f). So I was about to ask about the name for "noodles" in Latin. What does collyra mean, and how should it be stressed?
Donatello (disputatio) 14:09, 27 Augusti 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: The stress is at the second syllable.e.g. collȳra. In my Traupman it means pasta, noodles, and macaroni. Pasta and macaranimacaroni are a form of dry noodles. Macaroni also has collyra and pasta tabulata (same as your dictionary? ).Jondel (disputatio) 15:15, 27 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Noodles" in Latin 

message: The terms collyra and collyricus are really ancient, up to the point that already in Plautus  they get translated to English with “vermicelli”; pasta vermiculata ultimately expresses the same concept. So I think we basically have two options:
# Keep collyra for “an ancient form of pasta vermiculata” (and focus on ancient recipes)
# Merge pasta vermiculata and collyra into one page
Personally, I would opt for the second option. --Grufo (disputatio) 04:45, 29 Maii 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the Chinese and Italian wikis each have a single article covering this concept. That suggests to me that we should too. Collyra, being classical, is the term to choose. As I said elsewhere, "pasta vermiculata" sounds like a description (and quite a good one) rather than a name. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:58, 29 Maii 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: : : That's what I always try to tell my German friends, that their language doesn't use words, but compound words descriptions instead! :-) --Grufo (disputatio) 14:57, 29 Maii 2023 (UTC)

text: :  I have now . --Grufo (disputatio) 02:56, 7 Iunii 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unio paginarum pastae vermiculatae et collyrae
Disputatio:Achelous (discretiva)

message: Miror, quod duo Acheloi discernendi esse putantur. Nonne fluvius eiusque deus sive deus eiusque fluvius ambo unus atque idem sunt? - Bavarese (disputatio) 12:24, 29 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cur duo Acheloi discernuntur?
Disputatio:Crotus Rubeanus

message: Mihi non liquet, quid rei ista verba significent. - Bavarese (disputatio) 12:46, 29 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Eheu! Fortasse factum, res digiti errantis. Ita corrigam. - Bavarese (disputatio) 06:56, 30 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  monasterii dux cactus
Disputatio:Ferrivia metropolitana

message: Scio apud Wikipedias Anglicam, Francogallicam, Theodiscam, paginam quae de hac re tractat eandem esse quam paginam de ferriviis subterraneis.  Sed (ut mihi videtur) systema hominum celeriter transportandorum (sc. anglice rapid transit) comprehendunt et ferrivias subterraneas, et ferrivias super terram vel hamaxostichos, et laophoria.  Melius est duas paginas retinere.  A. Mahoney (disputatio) 19:20, 29 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non contribuenda 

message: Mihi plus rationabile et melius paret, ut pagina (n. b. bene scripta) "Ferrivia subterranea" in hac pagina subsumeretur. Bis-Taurinus (disputatio) 16:50, 22 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Consentio ego et titulum "F. metropolitana" adoptandum suadeo, quia res gravis est "urbanitas" ferriviae, non "subterraneitas". Ferriviae subterraneae etiam celeberrimae, Londinii, Lutetiae, Athenis, Novi Eboraci, etc., e terra interdum emergunt! Sed quid dicit Anna? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:42, 23 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ita vero: non omnes ferriviae metropolitanae omnino sunt subterraneae; ergo, metropolitana erit melius nomen adiectivum. Optimum autem nomen Anglicum videtur rapid transit [system], quod wikipedia affirmat est "also known as metro, subway, underground, or colloquially as  'the train.' " IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:11, 17 Aprilis 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Apud nos, Bostoniae, est "illa T" quod ferrivia nostra -- veterrima in CFA! -- se nominat "Metropolitan Boston Transit Authority" h.e. "Societas metropolitana Bostoniensis transvectionis."  Maior pars est super terram.  Similiter Sicagi, ubi pars clarissima est "the loop" h.e. "circuitus," super urbis vias.  Censeo ergo "ferrivia metropolitana" generaliter melior titulus esse quam "f. subterranea."  Sed, ut mihi videtur, debemus etiam de ferriviis subterraneis loqui, necnon de ferriviis stratariis (de quo res maximi momenti non est cursus per vias, sed pantographus et filium ferreum super viam).  Haec pagina ergo de rebus generaliter, ferrivia subterranea, ferrivia strataria, etc., de generibus talium ferriviarum loquuntor.  A. Mahoney (disputatio) 12:40, 17 Aprilis 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Anglice "the T" quidem, and "the MTA." Carmen notabilissime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHx4_uPv0K8. Lege etiam M.T.A. (song). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:54, 17 Aprilis 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Una sola pagina
Disputatio:Basilica Sancti Pauli extra muros

message: Nonne nomen originarium eius ecclesiae erat ... extra muros? - Bavarese (disputatio) 10:05, 30 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Si paginam movendam suades, Bavarese, oportet fontem citare. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:11, 30 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Revera movendam censeo. Nam haec ecclesia solito archibasilica Sancti Pauli extra muros nominatur, rarissime (NB in paginis interretialibus anglice scrptis) lego extra moenia. Exemplo sit:

text: :Mabillon, Michel: Museum Italicum, tom. 2. Lutetiae Parisiorum 1724, p. 35. Eo loco agitur De collectis et stationibus deque Litaniis Romanis, et lego [...] in basilica sancti Pauli extra muros stationes quinque [...].

text: :Illud Motu proprio papae Benedicti XVI (diei 31 mensis Maii 2005) de monasterio ordinis Benedictini apud hanc basilicam non repperi versum in lingua Latina. Num ab Utilone nostro vera comperiemur? - Bavarese (disputatio) 15:26, 30 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Bene ... per me nihil obstat! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:03, 30 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  extra moenia?
Disputatio:Nehavendum

message: Vicipaedia isn't a list of alternative names. For the sake of our readers, we need to choose the most useful ones. Two is usually plenty; if this place has had two Graeco-Roman names plus a local name, then there's a case for three names in boldface. Vicipaedia prefers a Latin or Graeco-Roman name as pagename -- and we aim to cite sources.
I can see that the English article does it this way. That suggests it's a bad article, not suitable for translating without some extra work. It, also, should have sources!
It's good and useful, after the first paragraph, to add a section about the name(s). In that section, the non-Latin names will be in italic, not bold, and, again, there should be sources for them. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:57, 30 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much boldface!
Disputatio:Paulus Sacher

message: I think we'd need to be very confident of our source for that assertion ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:16, 31 Augusti 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no answer came, I have now removed the accusation. I suspect a problem of Latinity :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:27, 4 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leno?
Disputatio Categoriae:Cultura Afroamericana

message: Timeo, ut "Africana-Americana" bonae Latinitatis sit. Quin melius Afro-Americana? Habemus enim vocabulum q.e. Afer, pl. Afri. Neander (disputatio) 17:32, 5 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Consentio ... Quid dicis de supercategoria :Categoria:Cultura Americarum? An exstant Americae plurales? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:49, 5 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: : In linguis quae mihi vernaculae sunt America pluralis in usu non est. Itaque "Cultura Americarum" mihi alienum sonat. Num hac supercategorià opus est? Neander (disputatio) 18:34, 5 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen

message: Haec categoria + Categoria:Cultura Afroamericana? Vide commentarium Afroamericani. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:19, 3 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely a better choice (see already above). OK if we move :Categoria:Musica Africana Americana to match? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:29, 3 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :It's fine with me. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:43, 3 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: De categoriis coniungendis
Disputatio:Iemenia

message: I can find no source for "Iemenia" in any language. Any help from dictionaries? If not, should we change? If so, to what?
In descending order of frequency the biological Latin adjectives are "Yemenensis" (common), "Yemeniensis" and "Yemeniticus" (rare) and "Iemenensis" (very rare). "Iemeniensis" occurs three times in modern Latin news sources, possibly based on the Vicipaedia form. "Iemenitica" occurs once here. On the basis of this evidence we would invent "Yemenum", if anything ... but, after all, it would be an invention.
The native name, in our usual transliteration, is "Yaman". The name appears exactly thus in Roman script in various languages with an Islamic tradition, though not in European languages. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:33, 10 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Pekkanen & Pitkäranta offer Iemenium (adj. Iemeniensis); Vilborg: Iemen (indecl.) n. (adj. Iemenitanus). Their opinions seem to differ, except for the initial. Neander (disputatio) 17:53, 10 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thank you. Let's see if anyone else comments, but I feel inclined to prefer "Iemenium" because it is declinable. The accompanying "Iemeniensis" occurs, as I said above, on at least three Latin news pages. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:07, 11 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Hofmann says "Secunda Felix, hodie Hyaman, & Turcis Gemen, vel Giamen, à Saracenis Mamotta" (p. 285), but I think I prefer Iemenium as well. Lesgles (disputatio) 00:53, 12 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :::That's a good find! We should certainly cite Hofmann. Yes, of the available choices I still prefer "Iemenium". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:35, 12 Septembris 2013 (UTC)

text: Iemen, n. Non inclinatur in casus.
 Haec est revera Arabia felix, de qua vete-
 res commemorant. Nomen autem Semiti-
 cum yemen vel yamin dexteram vel meri-
 diem signiicat (cfr. Matth.  12, 42: «regi-
 na Austri»). Haec regio, in extrema par-
 te paeninsulae Arabicae sita, ob assi-
 duas pluvias decidentes ferax (felix) est.
 Iemenitae,  arum;   Iemenitanus,  a,  um.
In the Jewish tradition, Yemen is associated with the Biblical תֵּימָן "South." When it seems to represent a specific place, the Vulgate renders it Theman (The LXX uses Θαιμαν, so arguably Thaeman?). In seuc I referred to the Yeminite Jews as Themanitae, following the Hebrew usage (cf. how :en:Teimani redirects to :en:Yemenite Jews), but probably not a good idea to apply this to the country generally.
--Iustinus (disputatio) 22:53, 11 Ianuarii 2017 (UTC)

text: Agreed. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 23:12, 11 Ianuarii 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Anna Hutchinsonia

message: Hofmannus opiniones praeiudicatae exhibet, sed forsitan aliquae vocabuli aut locutiones erunt utiles:
replies: text: "HUTCHINSONIA Angla, mulier callida, sagax et spiritus contumacis, ab Antinomis novis Angliae, Independentium genere, seducta Ecclesias Novae Angliae, mire hoc Sec. turbavit. Praetextu enim repetendi sermones Cottonianos (vide de Cottono Ioh. supra) Bostoniae furores illos, hincque in totam regionem dispersit: Legem nullum usum habere in adducendis hominibus ad Christum, Hominem esse unitum Christo, sine fide ab omni aeternitate, Sanctificationem non esse bonum signum status gratiae, Magistratui non oboediendum, et Synodus enim Nov-Anglica non tantum Fraternitatem (uti vocant, Presbyterio reiecto,) sed et Sororitatem, subiectum fecit privatae potestatis clavium, unde feminis in illa Independentium Congregatione, contionandi, disputandi et decidendi controversias suffragiis suis, ius concessum. Quo in genere Hutchinsonia ita aliquandiu invaluit, ut Cottonum quoque ipsum, Virum alias pium et doctum, in suas partes, inque errores gravissimos, cum multis aliis pertraheret. Tandem vero, iusto Dei iudicio, postquam monstrosos aliquot partus omnium cum horrore enixa esset, relegata in quandam ins. cum suis, ab Indis caesa, et ultricibus flammis consumpta est. Georg. Horn. Hist. Eccl. N. T. Period. III. artic. 3. cum Notis et Observation. Leydeckeri."
thread_title:  Hofmannus
Disputatio Categoriae:Psychotherapeutae

message: Psychotherapista seems to be derived from some Modern languages (like English for example). In Ancient Greek, the form θεραπιστης is not attested. They actually use θεραπευτής (Liddell & Scott). I can not find in Lewis and Short, derivatives of this form, but a Latinized form such as therapeuta seems better than therapista. Is anyone in favor to rename this categoria to psychotherapeutae? With kind regards, Wimpus (disputatio) 11:51, 13 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :And this form survives in, for example, French psychothérapeute, German Psychotherapeut, Italian psicoterapeuta, Romanian psihoterapeut, Spanish psicoterapeuta. Against the English neologism, surely the classical form is to be preferred, as it is with bellum orbis terrarum and elsewhere, except when it's a technical term of art, as in taxinomia biologica. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:43, 11 Ianuarii 2014 (UTC)

text: I have not found psychotherapeuta yet, but therapeuta is mentioned in Kraus' (1844) Kritisch-etymologisches medicinisches Lexikon. Somewhere I read that in English (I have to check my sources) therapist is derived from the earlier form therapeutist. Wimpus (disputatio) 23:29, 6 Ianuarii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :I agree that (psycho)therapeuta looks like the best option, especially since classical Latin did have other agent nouns in -euta (brabeuta, buleuta, emphyteuta, periodeuta, toreuta). Also, modern Greek uses θεραπευτής, and French uses thérapeute. Lesgles (disputatio) 01:42, 7 Ianuarii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Dear Lesgles, thank you for your response. In Johann Jacob Hoffmann's (1698) Lexicon Universale, the form therapeutae is used for the Jewish sect at the time of Jesus. So, another source for therapeuta. With kind regards, Wimpus (disputatio) 08:30, 7 Ianuarii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :::I created this category, but (so far as I can guess at this distance in time) I did so only to solve the problem of redlink categories devised by some other Vicipaedian. I probably didn't consider alternatives. I agree that "Psychotherapeutae" is a better word. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:25, 7 Ianuarii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Dear Andrew, thank you for your response and my apologies for my responding not any sooner. I will submit next week a request for a move (in case no counter evidence is presented). With kind regards, Wimpus (disputatio) 16:53, 11 Ianuarii 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Psychotherapista or psychotherapeuta?
Disputatio Categoriae:Taxa monotypa

message: Both forms are attested in Neolatin. However in Greek, compound adjectives with τύπος end on -τύπος (see Liddell & Scott). A limited number of these adjectives has been used in Latin as loan word, with the similar ending -typus (see Lewis & Short) , e.g. archetypus, prototypus, ectypus, zelotypus (?), atypus (?). Only typicus in Latin ends on -typicus. Is anyone in favor of renaming this categoria to genera monotypa? Thank you for your response. With kind regards,Wimpus (disputatio) 17:50, 13 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was hoping Iacobus would reply, but maybe he's taking a break from disputationes. He created this and similar categories, and will certainly have a view. My view is that you're probably right, Wimpus. I can't find many occurrences of this word, but "monotypa" occurs more often than "monotypica" even as a species name, so it is approved by writers of botanical/zoological Latin. If no one else comments, we should probably move. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:01, 30 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Dear Andrew, thank you for your response. Should I make a request in this case? With kind regards, Wimpus (disputatio) 15:27, 2 Octobris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Go ahead, Wimpus. You will see that there are in total 15 category names using this term (if I counted correctly). You will need to list them all at Vicipaedia:Automata/Category move requests, with the new names alongside. While doing this, please consider the word order, which varies -- whether this is a good or bad thing I'm uncertain -- I am sure you can decide the best phraseology. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:35, 2 Octobris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Dear Andrew, thanks. Thank you for sorting out the number of monotypus-related categoriae. In Neolatin, there seems to be a preference to use the paradigm noun-adjective (e.g. in binary nomenclature, in anatomy) when these Latin expressions are used within non-Latin texts, while in classical Latin word order seems less strict, I'll try to construct something that seems consistent. With kind regards, Wimpus (disputatio) 21:25, 2 Octobris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Dear Andrew, and there are even more monotypus-related categoriae as it is not only an adjective accompanying the noun genera, but also familiae, subfamiliae, superfamiliae, ordines and tribus. Before requesting a mass movement, lets wait and see what the discussion with IacobusAmor will bring (as you already noticed), with kind regards, Wimpus (disputatio) 11:43, 3 Octobris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::That's a good idea, Wimpus. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:28, 3 Octobris 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Genus monotypicum or genus monotypum
Disputatio Categoriae:Stimulantia

message: The plural stimulantia is short for 'remdia stimulantia' or 'medicamenta stimulantia'. I do not know when this expression was coined, but both expressions can be traced back to the 18th century in Google Books. I am however not familiar with the plural 'stimulantes' (M/F) for what is called 'stimulantia' in some languages, e.g. Dutch. Is it possible to rename this categoria? With kind regards, Wimpus (disputatio) 19:59, 13 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Consentio. (Creavi ego: pro certo erravi.) Potes hic postulare, Wimpe: UVbot categorias automatice movere potest. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:15, 13 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Dear Andrew, thank you very much. With kind regards, Wimpus (disputatio) 21:18, 13 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Stimulantes or stimulantia
Disputatio Categoriae:Birotarii

message: This is hardly urgent, but most of the subcategories here ought to be renamed: our normal style would be "Birotarii Franciae" etc. I guess Iacobus was thinking like an English Wikipedian when he created them. Question: should we rename them, or should we merge the contents into "Birotarii" and "Athletae Franciae" etc.? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:04, 15 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming?
Disputatio:Histrio

message: An melius "Histrio"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:47, 15 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Assentior! Actor multos sensus habet, et non solum actor sed etiam actio, quae commentatio artem scaenicam tractat. Et ars scaenica mea quidem opinione non totam scaenicam artem tractat, sed theatrum. Itaque melior titulus sit "Theatrum". Neander (disputatio) 14:47, 15 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen 

message: Index praesens magna sedulitate ac diligentia ab editore ignoto (IP 165.83.133.250) factus est, sed parum utilis erit, nisi nomina in suo quidque loco inserta erint in indices maiores, qui sunt: 
* Index histrionum cinematographicorum (A-E)
* Index histrionum cinematographicorum (F-K)
* Index histrionum cinematographicorum (L-Z)
* Index actricum cinematographicarum (A-K)
* Index actricum cinematographicarum (L-Z)
Itaque suadeo, ut nomina moveantur. Neander (disputatio) 10:33, 23 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Anonymus insuper nescivit praenomina Latine converti solere; index igitur, sicut hodie legitur, haud Vicipaediae convenit. An quis ad conversionem laborare velit? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:15, 23 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: : Ego iam histriones et actrices A-B in suos quemque indices inserui. Neander (disputatio) 20:16, 23 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movenda
Disputatio:Lakṣmībāī (regina Jhansiensis)

message: I propose to move this to Laksmibai (regina Jhansiensis). We normally use names rather than titles as the main element of the pagename; in the case of kings and queens this is usually followed by the title in parentheses (and the title "regina Jhansiensis" is fine). Our usual rule with names taken from another script -- where there is no pre-existing Latin form -- is to use the international transliteration, adding the diacritics to the lemma, but omitting the diacritics in the pagename. So the lemma would be Lakṣmībāī. Circumflexes were indeed used in the 19th century, but macrons are called for in the international standard transliteration (IAST). x for kṣ is very tempting, since a single symbol is used for this consonant group in Indian scripts, but it doesn't correspond with IAST ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:19, 18 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sure a transliteration of her married name is preferable; in English WP there have been several moves for the equivalent article as each Raja of Jhansi would have a "Rani of Jhansi" as consort. This lady is more commonly referred to in English as "the Rani of Jhansi" but that can be overruled. Her husband the raja was promoted to Maharaja but this was only for himself not the kingdom. In Indian English writing her name as Laxmibai or Laxmi Bai or even Maharani Laxmibai is common, and in Indian languages Jhansi ki Rani is common. My version was cobbled together from various sources e.g. the French WP (name with different diacritics there). There has been much argument over the naming of the Indian Mutiny since neither Victorian British nor Indian nationalists have neutrality. Thank you for your work on this which I will have a proper look at tomorrow.--Felix Folio Secundus (disputatio) 18:59, 18 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Yes, I wondered if you'd looked at the French. They do indeed use circumflexes.

text: :Since Latin carries no baggage in modern history, I think we can try to fix on one name for the war of 1857 -- all we have to do is to choose one that is neutral. I believe "Rebellio ..." may be OK, but I'm not set on it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:40, 18 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Aula Palatina

message: "Aula Regia Constantini" nullum, "Aula Constantina" perpauca, "Aula Constantini [Magni Imperatoris]" satis multa per Google reperio (sed nescio an omnia hanc aulam referunt). Debemus fontem nominis citare. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:08, 22 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Salve, ipse quoque de propria nuncupatione cunctatus sum. Accuratius Aula Palatina, quod apud Anglicam Vicipaediam inveni, nuncupanda esse  videtur nisi sodales Anglici falluntur. Testamento huius nominis praeterea esse paginam interretialem aedificii Theodisce conscriptam mihi quidem videtur. (http://ekkt.ekir.de/trier/884.0.html). Spero autem me interrete perscrutantem alia testimonia nominis inventurum esse.
Tamen nomen Aulae Palatinae accuratione carere puto idcirco quod ubi collocata sit aut cuius imperatoris praecipua sedes fuisset non delineatum est. Deliberandum est adhaerentiane ad nomen historicum an perspicuitas in hac pagina nominanda praevalere deberet. --Autokrator (disputatio) 14:56, 22 Septembris 2013 (UTC)

text: Vicipaediani futuri aliter fortasse censebunt. Ego autem, fontibus nominis "Aula Palatina" usus, pro tempore moveo. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:46, 5 Aprilis 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen