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Disputatio:Septentrio

message: This is a silly redirect I think. Septentrio=big dipper, which just happens to be the name of a province in France. Perhaps this should be a page on the big dipper and a discretiva could be set up. --Rafaelgarcia 11:03, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

message: : Yes. One wonders whether the Latin name is attested in some reliable source. Or is this another "Cork = Suber" case. --Neander 11:17, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :I didn't choose it myself, but I don't think it's such a misnomer as you suggest. According to the , Septentriones (and later Septentrio) sense 2.c. = "the northern part of a specified area". Citations from Quintus Curtius, Pliny and Tacitus show "septentrio" being used in this sense. The French name for the département is "Nord", so called because it is the most northerly part of France. [Strong support is found in the first sentence of the article on fr:wiki!] So I don't see the similarity between this and the Cork=Suber case.
replies: text: :As to whether we should translate the name "Nord" at all, without a "reliable source", the answer is that according to our current practice we should: "Si nomen Latinum adhuc non exstat usitatum, non vertatur, eis tamen exceptis quae in sermone suo vulgari constant e verbis cottidianis atque intelligibilibus." (Vicipaedia:De nominibus propriis#Nomina geographica). But by all means let's propose a better translation.

text: :[Added a moment later:] And, thank heaven, this rule of ours does not apply to Cork! because (as I pointed out in that discussion so many moons ago) there is no etymological relation between the name of the city and the name of the inner bark of Quercus suber. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:22, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :: OK, very good. I now see my "Cork = Suber" doesn't belong. --Neander 12:43, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen praefecturae (Nord = [[Septentrio (praefectura Franciae)|Septentrio]]?) 

message: I see that English wiki has separate articles for :en:Ursa Major and :en:Big Dipper but I'm not too clear why Ursa Maior and Septentrio should be distinct. The article doesn't seem to explain this. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:23, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Septentrio are the seven brightest stars in Ursa Major. The brightest stars have a tale of their own, apart from the astronomical aspects of Ursa major itself, becasue of cultural significations. I imagine in separating the cultural things from the non cultural things is accomplished by having separate pages.--Rafaelgarcia 17:51, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Fine, thanks for explaining. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:54, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: De asterismo ([[Septentrio]] = [[Ursa Maior]]?) 

message: People should move pages rather than create and copy content. Also the primary sense of septentrio is the stars itself not the cardinal direction. Look at the name!--Rafaelgarcia 17:21, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right! though it must be admitted that anonymous IPs can't move pages. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:54, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving pages
Disputatio:Mahatma Gandhi

message: HAec pagina optus scripta est !

message: Hi! I was wondering if you would help us create an entry in Latina for "Nonkilling" . The first paragraph would do! --Cgnk 19:08, 3 Iunii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Vicipaedia:Propaganda. --UV 21:24, 3 Iunii 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nonkilling
Disputatio:Opisthoconta

message: What does "systematica" mean? The obvious meaning "pertaining to systems" makes no sense where it is used as a title...perhaps taxonomia?--Rafaelgarcia 15:23, 30 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
Terminus 'Systematica' non est a me inventus, sed est reditio latina verbi "Systematik" ab auctore eius, S.M. Adl &al.
Teutonius 21:43, 30 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is not less Vicipedia-like than all the other language versions! If you did (can) find anything to be improved, then just do it! Interwikies and all that kind of linking stuff are NOT OBLIGATORY but can be added (by ANYone) if he/she thinks its nessesary... Teutonius 15:00, 2 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Sometimes an editor doesn't have the time (or the necessary knowledge) to work through a page and make improvements. In that case, it is still necessary, correct and helpful to mark the page as needing improvement. The result is that others, who may have time, are encouraged to work on it.

text: :Interwikis are obligatory; if the first editor doesn't add them, any other user can!

text: :I think I've improved the Latin of the first section a bit -- also the formatting of the bibliography -- and removed a bit of German. The Latin of the section "Signa" still wants working on. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:41, 2 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Thanks for you help Andrew! I think it should rather be: ... secundum systematicam Eukaryotorum ab Adl et aliis anno 2005 creatAM (-is?). AD EOS (Eis?) praesertim pertinent ..." (my dictionaries say: pertinere ad + acc.) In the pages' ranking: nothing is said about obligatory interwikies...? Allthough Ill add them if I (or someone) think its necessary and I dont mind anybody to do so. Teutonius 12:19, 3 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::I answered this point on your user page.
replies: text: ::::Yes, sorry, you're right about "pertinere ad". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:01, 3 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

text: :::De "creatam":—Nonne recte est unus e sex gregibus . . . creatis? IacobusAmor 12:27, 3 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::I understand it so: secundum systematicam (...) ab Adl et aliis creatAM (=spectat ad systematicam): secundum systematicam creatam ab Adl et aliis.

text: :::: In my big dictionary there are also two examples for PERTINERE without "AD": hoc eodem pertinet; id eo pertinet ut; but it seems those (dative?) forms only occur in idiomatics (after ID/HOC...) Teutonius 12:41, 3 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

message: Quid significat hic modus scribendi numerum viginti novem? Mathematici nos docent 9x3+2 esse 29. Similiter, 9x3+0 = 27. IacobusAmor 13:41, 3 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Haec sunt structurae microtubulorum in ciliis (quae constant ex novem paribus 9x2 externis & duabus internis) - alia formula est structura centriolarum (constans ex novem triplicibus microtubulorum in circulo positis) Teutonius 19:28, 5 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 9x3+2
Disputatio:Vasilla

message: Is it a vicus="village/row of houses", oppidum="town", or urbs="city"? This page says vicus, the palin page says urbs, and the english wiki page starts urbs. Indeed the city website calls itself a city, even though it only has 7000 people.? Maybe the alaskans have a different standard for city. I guess the fair thing is to call it a tiny city "pusilla urbs" or small city "parva urbs"--Rafaelgarcia 01:19, 31 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Vicipaedia a year or more ago had a discussion of the differences among these terms; maybe a search will retrieve useful data. According to Cassell's, Cicero used vicus to mean '[1] a quarter or district of a town, or a street; [2] a village, hamlet; [3] an estate, country-seat'. A settlement of 7000 people might have seemed fairly substantial to the Romans, but it isn't all that large in today's world. In the United States, city and town (and municipality and maybe other nouns) may be technical legal terms, which don't necessarily correspond with the terms used in popular parlance, both in Latin & in English. The significance of town in New England may differ from that elsewhere within the country. Some European societies may treat the notions city and commune and such in their own ways too. These terms are slippery! IacobusAmor 03:21, 31 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vicus, oppidum, urbs
Disputatio:Iosephus Mall

message: Semetipsum appellabat Iosephum Mall. (Vide titulum operis citati Latinitae optima originali) --Iovis Fulmen 16:19, 31 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

message: In "natus 29.09.1914 - denatus 21.05.2001" quid significat denatus? et "29.09.1914"? &c. IacobusAmor 18:21, 31 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vicificanda
Disputatio:Ludovicus Pastor

message: Habemus fontem pro "Pastor"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:29, 2 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry Andre here is Ludwig Pastor German historian and not Louis Pasteur--Massimo Macconi 19:53, 2 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Oh, I see! I never read the article, I just assumed ... Thank you, Massimo! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:04, 2 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cur non Pasteur?
Disputatio Categoriae:Scriptores Imperii Romani

message: This category temporarily contains some authors earlier than the Roman Empire (as normally understood). They are going to be moved into :Categoria:Scriptores Italiae ante-Augustanae (unless anyone thinks of a better name than this). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:03, 3 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diffundenda
Disputatio:Ager Sallentinus

message: Emendationem ultimam reverti quia in Vicipaedia Anglica lego: "Salento, from a cultural and linguistic point of view, does not include the city of Taranto". Si erravi, s.v.p. hic explica. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:43, 4 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Urbes regionis Sallenti
Disputatio:Universitas Civica Pennsilvaniensis

message: NPOV? --UV 22:38, 5 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Non iam POV habet! IacobusAmor 23:33, 5 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

message: De: "quod ad x attinet = idiom for "in so far as it concerns x")"—Yes, I know, but how can quod refer to universitas? IacobusAmor 16:52, 9 Iunii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think in such phrases, quod refers to the fact of the comparison having been made, that is to the meaning of the phrase as a whole. In this role it probably comes from the conjunction/adverbial use of quod. Allen and Greenbough lists such uses as ", quod sciam," under "accusative of specification or proviso" meaning "whereas":Allen and Greenough's Latin Grammar for Schools and Colleges By Joseph Henry Allen,... The following book lists some good and bad uses: A complete Latin grammar for the use of students By John William Donaldson--Rafaelgarcia 19:05, 9 Iunii 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: quod ad x attinet
Disputatio:Ultima Cena (Leonardus)

message: Orthographiam corrigi; sed de nomine dubito. "Postrema cena" nunquam vidi. Fortasse "Ultima cena", aut potius simpliciter "Cena"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:03, 6 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Il Cenacolo" ("The Upper Room") = "Cenaculum"; "L'Ultima Cena" ("The Last Supper") = "Ultima Cena".  —Mucius Tever 19:56, 6 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titulus
Disputatio Categoriae:Scriptores Samoae

message: Hmm. This would include Robertus Ludovicus Stevenson. Don't we also want to allow for writers who live anywhere in the world but consider themselves Samoan? And likewise all other ethnicities? And with, for example, sculpture, there's a famous Swede who lives in Samoa; is he a Swedish sculptor? or a Samoan one? or both? And likewise Auden & Eliot: Auden, when asked whether he was an American poet, told his interlocutor to go ask Eliot, and whichever characterization Eliot claimed, Auden would be the other. Truly an urceus vermium! IacobusAmor 16:13, 6 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:14, 6 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Scriptores qui Samoam habitaverunt"
Disputatio:Tabula declinationum Latinarum

message: Great job, Rafael! However, I don’t think the vocative and locative should be included in the tables.
The vocative is normally used only to address persons. No one (except perhaps a poet) would address water, or a book, or a name, or a day (as the tables now suggest). Moreover, even in those cases where a vocative is appropriate, it is most often identical to the nominative.
The locative is only used with respect to towns, small islands and a few other words, such as domus, rus, humus, but certainly not with respect to a book, a slave, a name etc., etc. (as the tables now suggest).
Everything there is to say about the locative and vocative cases can easily be delegated to footnotes or separate subsections, as well as links to  more specialised articles. See also: :en:Talk:Latin declension#Locative case and :en:Talk:Latin declension#Vocative case. --Fabullus 19:58, 6 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocative & locative
Disputatio Categoriae:Praenomina Italica

message: Re vera? Eduardus (Eduardo, Edoardo) deducitur ab verbo Italico? Nonne primum fuit verbum Anglosaxonicum? IacobusAmor 11:07, 8 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sic, sed Edoardo re vera est praenomen Italicum. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:45, 8 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Cur, cur indicem talium praenominum facimus? Scio circa 5,000–10,000 praenomina Samoana, et similiter sunt fere 10,000 praenomina Maoriana, et milia praenominum Tahitianum, iterum Havaianum, iterum Vitianum, iterum. . . . Illa quoque desideramus?! IacobusAmor 11:57, 8 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Vide Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 9#Articles about personal names. Confiteor tales paginas fervorem pro-Vicipaedicam quorumdam editorum utiliter consumere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:22, 8 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :::I don't see anything there that addresses my point, which is that the world supports zillions of attested names, and you could make a whole encyclopedia of them. As with names in many languages, Polynesian names can derive from virtually any word in the language. Even a term for excrement sometimes appears in such names. (Rapanui culture seems especially fond of names that are phrases with "Penis" in them.) Water Drunk at Night was an attested historical personage. I knew Rain and Sunshine Together (one person!). And then there was a family that went in for peels, so they had Banana Peel, Breadfruit Peel, Mango Peel, Orange Peel, Taro Peel, and so on. The current mayor of Honolulu has a Samoan praenomen that can be translated as Yam's Butt. The number of such praenomina is theoretically infinite, though I suppose such names in the order of magnitude of 10,000 are actually attested. And that's just for one language. From around the world, add in several thousand more languages. Whee! IacobusAmor 13:36, 8 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Edoardo
Disputatio:Alienora

message: Credo veram originem esse minime Graecam, potius Occitanam. Nobis dicit en:wiki (s.v. :en:Eleanor) primam qui hoc nomen habuit Alienoram Aquitanicam fuisse; nomen a matre Aenora ducisse, scilicet alia Aenora Occitanice. Orthographiam Latinam Alienora repperi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:43, 8 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origo et orthographia
Disputatio:Romanorum Imperator

message: "Imperator Romanus Sacer" is not an acceptable Latinization of "Holy Roman Emperor".  All Imperial institutions and offices had their own proper form in Latin, and such terminology was never used in medieval or neo-Latin.  Only the Empire was properly called "Holy" (Sacrum Romanum Imperium).  The Emperor's title was Romanorum Imperator Semper Augustus.CriticusFortuitus 00:39, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. It looked wrong to me; it's good to have a firm opinion. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:41, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :True; but in Carolus VI (imperator), it would have been useful for our casual critic to have added a source for the new material, the title(s). IacobusAmor 11:48, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Anyway, what should the title of the article be? Romanorum Imperator Semper Augustus can indeed be referenced, but is unpleasingly orotund. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:01, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

message: Haud mediocriter miratus sum, cum legeram Imperator Romanus Sacer, multo etiam magis, cum eandem rem alienam ante aliquot annos hic iam, et frustra quidem, tractatam esse videram. Quam ob causam ea locutio mutanda putetur, iam dudum allatam habemus. Cur Kaiser des Heiligen Römischen Reiches latine imperator Imperii Romani Sacri  vertere displiceat? --Bavarese (disputatio) 18:12, 21 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Nescio, sed vox Imperator Romanus Sacer vulgo in usu extra Vicipaediam videtur; e.g., hic. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 19:02, 21 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Hic textus mihi invisibilis est. An locutio e fonte mediaevali vel Renascentiae citatur? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:29, 21 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Auctor libri The Quest for a Moral Compass: A Global History of Ethics ait: "In 962, Otto was given the title Imperator Romanus Sacer, or Holy Roman Emperor, by the Vatican." IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:55, 21 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)

text: :Et mihi satis dubium visum est, quo ex fonte ista vox originem traxisset. Sed cum primum "holy Roman emperor" per Google inquiri feceris, videbis eundem Anglicismum huius rei causam esse. Huius praeterea ipsius rei causam fuisse arbitror, quod sanctitas illa imperatoribus profecto in solemniter appellando attribuebatur, etiam ab iis, qui Theodisce loquebantur. Vide imperatorum honorificam appellationem. Laurentianus (disputatio) 19:18, 21 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: :: Aliquot abhinc diebus titulum qui erat Imperatores Romani Sacri ad "Indicem imperatorum Sacri Romani Imperii" mutavi, nam certe de sacro imperio, non de sacro imperatore agitur, nec facile est, quid "imperator sacer" significet, mente concipere (reliquias imperatoris? imperatorem detestabilem?). Itaque Bavaresem nostrum puto optimo iure hunc titulum reprehendere. Neander (disputatio) 07:35, 22 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  imperator sacer?
Disputatio:Mantra

message: Certe in translitteratione scripti Devanāgarī, C non est K, quia C exprimit litteram च (quae /tʃ/ enuntiatur), sed K exprimit litteram क (quae /k/ enuntiatur). Auribus nostris videtur verbum Anglicum Krishna enuntiari /kriʃna/, non /tʃrishna/. Davide, Latine attestatur hoc verbum, Crisna? IacobusAmor 03:11, 10 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ''C'' non est ''K''
Disputatio:Ecclesia montis fringillarum

message: Kupfermeisteri!? est verbum latinum aut fictum??? Teutonius 15:01, 12 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

message: Nomen Latinum mihi inventum esse videtur. Habemusne fontem? Alex1011 13:15, 11 Iunii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have one. By the way, if we are keeping this name, it should probably be capitalized.--Chris1981 14:36, 11 Iunii 2010 (UTC) P.S.: No offense, but a lot of articles by BBKurt have very strange lemmas.--Chris1981 14:55, 11 Iunii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Prima res publica (Francia)

message: Hi yall,
I found a map of France in 1792, showing the departements as well as the former provinces. I think it'd be a very good idea to put it here but I can't 'cause I didn't find it on Wikipedia. How can I insert this image???--Ricardus 17:51, 18 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Upload it to commons:, see commons:Commons:Premiers pas. Greetings, --UV 20:33, 18 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tabula Primae Reipublicae Francicae
Disputatio:Owen Wilson

message: Owen debet esse aut Iohannes (si inter praenomina Cambrica accepimus) aut Owen (si inter cognomina). Unde Agnus? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:22, 19 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Owen is the gaelic name for "sheep", well in latin become Agnus--Lodewijk Vadacchino 21:34, 19 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thanks for the explanation. The Latin for "sheep" is "ovis" -- but no, don't change it to that! Our rule is not to translate forenames but to convert them into the traditional Latin equivalent if there is one. So, even if he really was "Lamb Wilson", by our rule we wouldn't turn him into "Agnus Wilson".

text: :Since he has Irish ancestry, we could take it that Owen is the Irish forename whose Latin equivalent is (I believe) Iohannes. Or maybe we should prefer "Owen Wilson". Any other views? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 22:11, 19 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agnus?
Disputatio:Philodemus

message: An re vera poeta fuit? Non liquet. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:57, 20 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hic legere possis Ciceronem eius poemata laudavisse, et nunc etiam 34 epigrammata eius superesse.--Fabullus 20:04, 20 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ridiculus sum! In libro Empire of Pleasures ego carmen quoddam Philodemi Anglice verti. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:58, 27 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Errare humanumst! --Fabullus 21:39, 27 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poeta?
Disputatio:Tunes

message: Very very sorry, I put 3 new pictures but I forgot to login !!!!!! Rex Momo 23:10, 20 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. Logging in isn't compulsory (though usually advisable)! Nice pictures. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:11, 21 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
Saepe, vel dicam plerumque, in lexicis invenitur "Tunes" generis masculini esse. MARCVS 10:26, 5 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

message: Sed ecce, ipsius T. Livii verba accedunt: "Scipio occupat relictum Tuneta", Liv. 30, 9, 16 (cf. Charlton T. Lewis, Charles Short, A Latin Dictionary: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0059:entry%3DTunes). Ex hoc patet illius urbis nomen masculini esse generis, saltem etiam generis masculini. MARCVS 10:49, 5 Februarii 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  PLURA DE HUIUS VOCIS GENERE
Disputatio:Nicolaus Machiavelli

message: Rather than Maclavellus? 129.199.192.1 14:18, 21 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The spelling in the text (Maciavellus), inserted by an anonym and never corrected, has (practically) no authority. The proposed Maclavellus is indeed well attested, but there are attestations for our current Machiavellus too. Do we want to change? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:51, 21 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :And of course there's just Machiavelli as on, e.g., his tomb.   says "in Latin it is sometimes Maclavellus, and sometimes de Maclavellis", which last gets its own set of hits. —Mucius Tever 01:04, 22 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :: Despite the funeral inscription, the right name is that used by the man himself. The Latin dedication of Il principe is: Nicolaus Maclavellus ad magnificum Lavrentium Medicem.   --Neander 01:47, 22 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

message: Nomen ad "Machiavelli" redegi, non quod "Maclavellum" falsum esse putem, sed quia mihi aliquantulum ambitiosum et fortasse alienum auribus lectorum esse videtur. Utique "Machiavelli" nostrae doctrinae nominum nullo pacto inconveniens esse videtur. Neander (disputatio) 13:13, 5 Iulii 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quindecim annis post