lflage/wiki-talks huggingface dataset:
Disputatio:Leo

message: "How is a lion named after another animal? If I have misunderstood something , please revert and explain."—The lion, Panthera leo, seems to be named after the panther. (It's the leonine species of panther.) However, this category may best be restricted to cases where the species epithet is that of another animal. IacobusAmor 15:37, 12 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, yes, I see what you mean now. But I think I agree, it's better not to try to get this into a category -- this is after all a basic feature of the way Linnaean nomenclature works, like Canis lupus and Prunus cerasus. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:48, 12 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: How is a lion named after another animal?
Disputatio Categoriae:Robin Hood

message: Not sure of the need for this one. I'd guess that all these people would also have to be in the category "Robin Hood"; and thattheir identities in the film could just take the form of a list on the page about the film. But tell me I'm wrong. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:53, 15 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably right. I must admit I created the category after being amused that the English one existed ... :D I'll remove Robin Hood from the category, but you as an admin will have to do the actual deleting. Mattie 23:19, 15 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ha! I might have known there'd be a reason. They do have the most amazing things among en:wiki categories. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:36, 16 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olim "Disputatio Categoriae:Personae pelliculae Robin Hood societatis Disney"
Disputatio:Aedificium Civitatis Imperialis

message: Iacobe amice, remember your recent comment at Disputatio:Fora Imperialia ... I think you were right there, and my (limited) enquiries suggested that, even in medieval Latin, "Imperialis" referred only to the Holy Roman Empire, not to empires in general. So, do we have support for this pagename? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:43, 15 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In expert Latin here; in less persuasive sources here, here, here, and apparently (according to Google) elsewhere. IacobusAmor 20:15, 15 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :Well, that's a funny thing ... You're right, the first one is the only reliable one. I have a feeling the second, third and fourth are mirrors of Wikipedia. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:52, 15 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imperialis?
Disputatio:Moyses

message: Nescio quomodo haec res definitur. Eadem quaestio apud en:wiki postulatur, nemine respondenti. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:18, 17 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Quae personae tali categoriae inserendae sint mea sententia non liquet: Sunt ii, quos qaevis ecclesia sanctos celebrat vel olim celebravit (forsitan, qui in Martyrologio Romano vel aliquo martyrologio antiquiore nominantur) aut "sancti" traditionis Iudaeicae aut Islamicae ... ? Equidem categoriam "Personae Biblicae" satis esse puto.  -  Ceterum novam formulam "Data personarum Biblicarum" confici utile esse mihi videtur.--Utilo 15:10, 17 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ita, pro certo. Nomen "Sanctus Moyses" re vera adhibetur in fontibus (e.g. Peregrinatione Aetheriae ... et sine dubio aliis) sed mihi insolitum videtur. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:18, 17 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categoria:Sancti Veteris Testamenti
Disputatio:Mythus originum

message: Apologies, I didn't realise this page was so recent. I blued the categories, which is what I usually do after a page has lain fallow for a while. Feel free to revert if you want to create the categories as you originally drafted them. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:19, 25 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories
Disputatio:Universitas Mancuniensis

message: Motto = Arduus ad solem (Aeneid VI) mottoeng = "Striving towards the sun" (of both Owens College from 1871 and of the V U M until Sept 2004). 12 March 1851 is the opening date of Owens College; the Victoria University received a royal charter 20 April 1880; a royal charter of 15 July 1903 created the Victoria University of Manchester (and abolished the pre-existing University); University and College were merged by Act of Parliament 24 June 1904. Charlton, H. B. (1951) Portrait of a University. Manchester: U. P.; p. 138. (The English WP has more about the motto and there is a different one for the presently existing university: Cognitio, sapientia, humanitas.) The institutional history is difficult to describe in simple terms.--Felix Folio Secundus (disputatio) 04:36, 4 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Motto &c
Disputatio:Controversia de poena capitali

message: I took this off the top line:
 
because there doesn't seem to be any Formula:Poena capitalis, so nothing to fix. If I'm missing something, please explain! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:59, 4 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In Vicipaedia Anglica, vide formulam . IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:45, 4 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ah, I see, it's a portal. So, if you want to set up a similar portal here, you certainly can: Mattie and Xaverius have something similar in mind for The Lord of the Rings, I think. Unless you're going to write a lot of pages in the same topic area (as they intend to), I'd say it's a less productive use of your time than writing Latin text; but that's entirely your choice! First you'll need to decide what pagenames, or future pagenames, to put in your portal. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:09, 4 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is to be fixed?
Disputatio:Legendarium Tolkienianum

message: What would be the adjectival form of "Tolkien"? Tolkienanus? Tolkienensis? Mattie (disputatio) 00:57, 5 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You might allow yourself "Tolkienius -a -um". The form "Tolkienii" has been fairly widely used in fandom (see google), usually in inventing scientific names for monsters. It is just what a real zoologist would do; just bad luck if they haven't done it yet. As with "Aqua Iulia" and "Forum Iulium" it is idiomatic to use the "-ius" termination both as an adjective and as a family name. So, although I wouldn't call him "Tolkienius" on this evidence, I would be tempted to decline his name -ium -ii -io when necessary and to take -ius as the adjective. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:44, 5 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :Interesting! I was asking because of this page's title, Legendarium Tolkien. Seems we may as well move it to Legendarium Tolkienium, which would make a better read in the articles it's mentioned in. Mattie (disputatio) 00:00, 6 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: ::According to the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature (Stearn 1983:285), the genitive will regularly be formed as Tolkienii (implying a nominative Tolkienius, which, since it won't be needed as a species epithet, is ignored by the code), and the adjective will then be Tolkienianus (-a, -um). Indeed, the suffix -ianus is a generally productive one, found well beyond botany; e.g., in Universitas Harvardiana and in neuter plurals in -iana, as in "I saw that little piece of Bushiana live on MSNBC!" IacobusAmor (disputatio) 01:15, 6 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :::I was only missing an I, then :) Mattie (disputatio) 00:17, 8 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Adjective
Disputatio:Lucilla Teasdale Corti

message: Aliae vicipaediae diem mortis 1 Augusti scripserunt. Qui dies rectus est?--Schulz-Hameln (disputatio) 15:26, 6 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sic! Rectus dies 1 Augusti est, correxi. Rex Momo (disputatio) 12:48, 7 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dies mortis
Disputatio:Quintus Lucilius Balbus

message: De locutione "primus consul Romanus alienigena, anno 40 a.C.n. electus."—Sic Wikipedia, sed non verisimile? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:36, 11 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fortasse primus ex Hispaniis oriundus?--Xaverius 22:00, 11 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :Recte quaeris, mi Iacobe. Fontem verificavi: nihil ibi lego de consulatu. Removi igitur. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 07:03, 12 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Consul?
Disputatio:Mons Casinus

message: Quare "Mons Casinus" mutatus est in "Montem Cassinum" (et "Casinum" in "Cassinum"). Lingua Italina quidem -s- duplicatur, nomen loci antiquum (i.e. Latinum) autem est "Casinum" sive "Mons Casinus". Etiam in litteris recentioribus, etsi vis linguae vernaculae sentitur, scriptura "Mons Casinus" praevalet, ut Google demonstrat. Etiam Georges "Casinum" praebet, apud Graesse est selectio prima.--Utilo (disputatio) 09:54, 17 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Gratias pro restitutione antiqui nominis--Utilo (disputatio) 15:10, 17 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casinus - Cassinus? 

message: Plurimas res de monasterio dictas in paginam Abbatia Territorialis Montis Cassini transtuli et paginam montis rescripsi.--Utilo (disputatio) 21:38, 7 Iunii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbatia Territorialis Montis Cassini
Disputatio Formulae:Dioecesis Italica

message: Partitio "officialis" in formula: quid sibi vult? Nomen "officiale"? Munus? ...--Utilo (disputatio) 11:25, 17 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "officialis" est alia appellatio "vicarii iudicialis", i.e. praesidis tribunalis dioeceseos (CIC ca. 420).--Utilo (disputatio) 15:12, 17 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  officialis?
Disputatio:Civitates Foederatae Micronesiae

message: Ait 93.138.122.241, usor sine nomine: "Latinitas mala partim ameliorata (= very bad 'Anglatin' pidgin), titulus superior inversus etiam falsus!)." Recte in universum mones, amice, de ordine verborum, sed hoc in loco, nomen Foederatae Micronesiae Civitates‎ ordinem verborum purissimae Latinitatis ostendere videtur; vide commentarium Hyperbaton. Nomina autem commentariorum, ut monuit noster Neander, canonicum linguae ordinem plerumque sequi debent; ergo nos non tuum Micronesiae Civitates Foederatae, sed Civitates Foederatae Micronesiae (ex exemplari Civitates Foederatae Americae) fortasse scribere debemus. Similiter, verba oeconomica FMC activitas in verba activitas oeconomica FMC mutasti, sed fortasse, quia haec locutio non est nomen commentarii, oeconomica FMC vita quibus legant etiam erit accepta. Neander, si ades, da (ut fantur Anglici!) nobis tuam opinionem!‎‎ IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:23, 18 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen commentarii, ordo verborum, etc.
Disputatio:Bantuenses

message: "Bantuani[1] humanum Africae Subsaharianae ethnos sunt cuius character est linguis Bantu loqui". An definitiones ethnium e "charactere" linguarum loquendarum trahuntur? Quid dicimus de bilinguibus? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:22, 19 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Noster geographus sine nomine verbis conformationibusque Anglicis frui videtur. Opinamur autem verbum character Latinam proprietatis notionem hic exprimere. Quod ad tuam rem spectat, confer primam definitionis Anglicae partem: "Bantu is used as a general label for 300–600 ethnic groups in Africa who speak Bantu languages." Fortasse = Bantu pro nomine omnium 300–600 gregum ethnicorum qui linguis Bantuanis utuntur est. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 11:15, 19 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  De "character" ethni
Disputatio Formulae:Censura

message: Perhaps inclinatio or praeiudicium? Mattie (disputatio) 02:50, 23 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ait Cassells: inclinatio et propensio animi, atque praeiudicium = ' a previous judgment, a preliminary decision or examination (for the sake of investigating facts for subsequent proceedings); transf., a premature decision + an example, precedent. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 10:13, 23 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :Hmm, when you say "inclinatio et propensio animi," are you saying Cassell's is suggesting inclinatio animi or inclinatio alone? Mattie (disputatio) 15:14, 25 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation of "bias"
Disputatio:Data

message: How do we say mass noun?Like air, salt, water, dust which people every refer to in the plural even if when they mean to say the singular(datum).
Quomodo dicamus 'mass noun'?Similis aer, sal, aqua, pulvis quas omnes in plurale referunt,non singulo(datum) .
Jondel (disputatio) 23:29, 29 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: DATA->Mass noun

message: To resolve the single/plural question, I would like to refer to data as a single English word, ok?
Licet, ut resolvat interrogationem singularitatis aut pluralitatisque, velim refere sicut verbum singulum Anglice.  Jondel (disputatio) 23:29, 29 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Data is a neuter plural form of the past participle of do (dare, dedi, datum). The singular noun is datum, and it's defined as such in English in the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary. The use of data as a singular noun does occur in English, usually in the sense of "a set of datums." The locution Data est, however, is ungrammatical, unless there's some word data, -ae, that isn't in Cassell's. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 00:17, 30 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :The English article on the subject, to which the article omits a link among the intervici links, begins: "Data . . . are," not "Data . . . is." IacobusAmor (disputatio) 00:25, 30 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Thank you for pointing that out. I think I missed that.Jondel (disputatio) 01:55, 30 Martii 2012 (UTC)

text: ::Err, you seem to avoid the issue of 'mass noun'. You don't say 'I drink (single) water' do you?or I breathe (single) air. Actually in many(all languages?), data is used not datum. Also datum in Latin doesn't mean our sense of 'data' or crude information/input does it?  I would like to present this as an English word. Among many programmers, you hardly or never hear the word 'datum' (I worked in the programming industry for 12 years). I mention that datum is hardly used but not strange. Also we can refer to the English wiki.Jondel (disputatio) 00:37, 30 Martii 2012 (UTC)
I will make changes to the article in the sense that you mention, but this meaning  from the dictionary should appear(in latin) :" usage: Although now often used as a singular noun,( data  is properly a plural  )".ok?Jondel (disputatio) 01:00, 30 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Data as a single English word

message: --Jondel (disputatio) 09:57, 30 Decembris 2016 (UTC)
*Data (ex dando) sunt indicia cruda vel infecta, saepe informaticae et statisticae propria, quae praeterea in aliis disciplinis (psychologia, biologia, etc.) late adhibentur. Data (from giving) are crude or incomplete information, often of informatics or statistics where they are widely applied in other disciplines(psychologiy, biology etc).
replies: text: "Data (from giving)" seems unclear to me, though I admit that "Data (ex dando)" is close to the way that Varro and Isidore might have said it. I think it is clearer for our readers to say "Data (participium passivum plurale verbi dare)". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:19, 30 Decembris 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Reddentia ex re
Disputatio:Rivendell

message: Perhaps we should use Imladris when writing, so we can decline it as an i-stem. Mattie (disputatio) 17:32, 31 Martii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you're right, because I instinctively would have gone for Rivendelia, which is a complete invention.--Xaverius 22:22, 31 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Imladris
Disputatio:Venedotia

message: It seems, looking at note 15 on page 218 of Plague And the End of Antiquity: The Pandemic of 541-750 by Lester K. Little, that the Latin name for "Gwynedd" was "Genedota." However, this is the only mention of the word Genedota I'm able to find. Mattie (disputatio) 02:46, 6 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've heard Venedotia. If I'm right, Genedota might be a chance variant of that.

text: If I'm wrong :) a definite possibility is Guenedota. I have just found that form in the version of the Welsh Annals (years 798 and 809) printed in John Morris's edition of Nennius. (Nennius himself says "regio quae vocatur Guined" but it would be nice to do better than that.) Clearly Little's Genedota could be a misspelling or variant of Guenedota. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:35, 6 Aprilis 2012 (UTC) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:27, 6 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :You're right, I remember hearing that too. Have we discussed this elsewhere without my ever moving this page?
replies: text: ::Yes we have :) Disputatio:Regna Cambrica Mattie (disputatio) 16:07, 6 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)

text: :"Venedotia Gwynedd" is in my googling history (with 20,300 hits)! I'll move this page to Venedotia, anyway, with mention of "Guenedota" (219 hits) and "Guenedotia" (79 hits). Mattie (disputatio) 16:06, 6 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)

text: There were many, many variations since it's essentially a Latinization of a native word that kept changing as the language did, but the modern Latin form is generally Venedotia (certainly not Gwynedd).

text: Norwallia was also used (e.g., in the Laws of Hywel) but that included parts of Powys &c that generally weren't thought of as Gwynedd proper. LlywelynII (disputatio) 14:36, 29 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thanks for that comment, and for making the move. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:02, 29 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: De nomine Latino
Disputatio:Mare Philippinense

message: Attestations of the names of plants & animals are much more frequent for Mare Philippinense than for Mare Philippinum. The pattern of attestations suggests that the form in -inus, -a, -um derives from the name Philippus. Supporting examples: Philippinae, ex Philippo II rege Hispaniae appellatae, et Gymnasium Philippinum (schola anno 1527 conditum) ex Philippo I Hassiae appellatum. It then seems likely that the form in -ensis, -e derives from the geographical location known as the Philippinae. So we have a primary derivation (ex Philippo) and a secondary one (ex Philippino), and the accumulation of morphemes = Philipp- + -in- + -ensis. Of course, if the sea took its name from Philip, rather than from the archipelago, then the better term for it (though not for the plants & animals catalogued in the footnotes) could be Mare Philippinum. Something for further investigation!  IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:20, 9 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Lemma: ''Mare Philippinense'' vs. ''Mare Philippinum''
Disputatio:Homophobia

message: Ut signa Ecclesiae Westboro in linguam Latinam converserim, bona verbi Anglici 'fag' Latina aequivalentia invenienda erant, quam ob rem in commentationem Latin profanity ivi; verba pathicus (secundum Gaffiot "pédéraste passif, giton") et cinaedus ("homosexuel ... débauché, efféminé") canditata esse videntur. Haec bona commentationi additio esse possint, utilia ad non nulla Latine convertenda ... :S Mattie (disputatio) 17:02, 20 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Fag"
Disputatio:Silmarillion

message: Ut pagina melioretur, vos amabo, adiuvate me in his verbis Anglicis Latine convertendis:
*curse (both as a noun and as a verb)
*sequel
*draft (an unfinished story)
*to revise [a draft]
*to overwhelm (as in, the work overwhelms the reader; I currently have opus ... lectorem inund[a]t)
Quodlibet auxilium valde amplector. Mattie (disputatio) 03:15, 24 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Cassell's: curse n. = exsecratio, imprecatio; curse v. = exsecrari, detestari; sequel = eventus, exitus (but what would be wrong with 'sequela'?); revise = retractare; overwhelm = obruere, opprimere, demergere, (sub)mergere (but why not go with something like 'obstupefacere'?). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 03:32, 24 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :Gratias tibi ago, mi amice! Mattie (disputatio) 21:16, 24 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: ::An Cassell's aliquid dicit de "background" (velut in A Background and History of The Silmarillion) et "guide" (Guide to U.S. editions of Tolkien books)? =] Mattie (disputatio) 23:29, 27 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Verba, quae nescio, quo modo Latine ea dicerem

message: Quid efficit haec nota? Sunt fortasse nonnulla milia lemmatum iam italicorum quae ea carent. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 10:16, 17 Aprilis 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Vide summaria mea, mi amice, et dic ad Vicipaedia:Tabernam quid tibi placet! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:20, 17 Aprilis 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: <nowiki>{{Titulus italicus}}</nowiki>
Disputatio:Dania

message: Danice: Guds hjælp, folkets kærlighed, Danmarks styrke.
Latine: Auxilium Dei, caritas populi, vis Daniae.
Verbum Danicum styrke 'fortitudo' significat. Contra alia verbum 'vis', potest 'fortitudo' esse.
Salutationibus Donatello (disputatio) 19:04, 25 Aprilis 2012 (UTC).
thread_title:  De sententia regale
Disputatio:Venus (planeta)

message: Haec res melius est et informationes plurimas habet, sed fontes ad informationes non habet. Sed nuper addebam. Bonis salutationibus, Donatello (disputatio) 21:44, 26 Aprilis 2012 (UTC).
thread_title: Fontes

message: Frontfrog, your changes to this article today (useful though they may be) will cost Vicipaedia 0.05 points in the 1000-article list at Meta because you've pushed text below the 30,000 cutoff. Any chance you could add at least 600 characters to nudge it back above that level? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:34, 23 Novembris 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Iacobus speaks truth, but the edit was a good one because local infoboxes are deprecated, especially when they can be replaced with a Wikidata infobox. Full bibliographies are not deprecated, quite the opposite, so adding good material to the bibliography would be an excellent way to please everyone. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:49, 23 Novembris 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: :I'm sorry for my change but it was good to update infobox as for me. Frontfrog (disputatio) 08:36, 25 Novembris 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ::It was indeed a useful change, and it may have been good for you, but it was possibly bad for the rest of us, in that it reduced the perceived quality of Vicipaedia as judged by the quantitative standards at Meta. A paradox?! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:34, 25 Novembris 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: :::No, Iacobe, "bad for the rest of us" is a wild overstatement. We are judged by footfall (or clicks). If people come, and like what they see enough to stay, and like it so much that they come back again, we are doing well. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:51, 25 Novembris 2021 (UTC)

text: :Anyway, it would  be good if we make this article as month article in the future. Frontfrog (disputatio) 08:36, 25 Novembris 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Maybe we need to rewrite some sections? Frontfrog (disputatio) 10:23, 25 Novembris 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Both good ideas. I added some text about the names "Venus" etc., and Iacobus has already enlarged the bibliography, so the crisis has been managed :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:47, 25 Novembris 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Points at Meta
Disputatio:Smosh

message: I was giving this the benefit of the doubt, but the link doesn't seem relevant and there's no current sign that this group is notable. Any other views? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:41, 28 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree: the number of interwiki links and the amount of page ratings the English article has received (it's in the thousands) should be a good sign of the group's notability. Google also gives us 16 500 000 hits, the top one of which being this duo's official website. Mattie (disputatio) 19:06, 28 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :OK, they must have something, I admit. I withdraw the deletion tag! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:33, 29 Aprilis 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delenda