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Disputatio:Comprehensio Christi (Caravaggio)

message: Fortasse "Christus captus (Caravaggio)"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 07:15, 7 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sane! ne forte "Comprehensio Christi" vel "Captura Christi." IacobusAmor 11:56, 7 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :I think captus -us, 4 th declension's means, according to words: "capacity/ability/potentiality; comprehension; action/result of taking/grasping;" whereas captura is better because its meaning is more directly related "taking/catching wild game; bag, total game caught; gain, take; making profits;" and also is closer to the original romance language name.--Rafaelgarcia 20:34, 9 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::My impression of these fourth-declension -us nouns formed from verbs is that they're rather like the -tio suffix in that they basically indicate a process, the action of the verb. So ludere is 'to play', but lusus, -us is the playing, while ludus, -i is the game. And in this case, capere is 'to seize', but captus, -us (and captio, -onis) is the seizing, while captura is the seizure, the result of the seizing. On the contrary, we can think of counterexamples (canere; cantus, -us?). Maybe a linguist will step in and help us out here. ¶ The reason I raised this question (above) is that in the original pattern, Christus captus, the captus is a participle ('Christ seized'); of course that too may be acceptable, and one wonders if critics' accounts (say, from the seventeenth century) attest the Latin name of the picture. IacobusAmor 20:52, 9 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Yes, you guessed, "Christ seized" was what I meant by my suggestion: not captus n. but captus p. p. p.. That's what I would have called the painting in Latin. Cf. Italian "Gierusalemme liberata", for which the most natural English phrase is "The Liberation of Jerusalem". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:37, 9 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Consentio "Christus captus" melius sonare quam "Captura Christi" et "Captus Christi." Quamobrem minime adversor ne nomen ad "Christus captus" commutetur. --Rafaelgarcia 23:20, 9 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::Postquam eum scripsi, nunc dissentio. Pictura est de captura (seizure, the fact, the moment), quam Romani milites perficerunt, nec de Christo capto (Christ who was captured, the man), nec de captu/captione (the seizing/capturing, the action). Ergo nomen "Captura Christi" nunc iterum puto melius est.--Rafaelgarcia 23:39, 9 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Titulus

message: Vocabulum captura in latinitate antiqua non idem significat ac e.g. vocabulum anglicum capture. Nonne manus afferre alicui ut in carcerem abducatur est aliquem comprehendere? Etiam in evangeliis ita scriptum est: apud  Lucam (22,54) 'comprehendentes autem eum' et apud Ioannem (18,13) 'comprehenderunt Iesum'. Cur ergo hanc imaginem non Comprehensio Iesu dicimus? --Bavarese (disputatio) 10:57, 2 Iulii 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Cur non? Id iamdudum Iacobus proposuit. Per me paginam move! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:32, 2 Iulii 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  iterum de titulo
Disputatio Categoriae:Incolae Angliae

message: Reasons:
*This category hasn't got :Categoria:Homines secundum terram as a supercat. anyway
*Since in that supercat. the pages are classified according to modern states, I suggest :Categoria:Homines Britanniarum Regni instead.
--Iovis Fulmen 11:41, 9 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it hasn't got :Categoria:Homines secundum terram as a supercat is that Anglia is geographically part of Britannia, so it has :Categoria:Britanni as a higher level category, and that in turn has :Categoria:Homines secundum terram as its supercat.

text: This is not one of the easiest ones to sort out. The problems with "Regnum Britanniarum" are (a) it has no meaning before, say, the 18th century; (b) it currently includes all of Britain (but not all of the outlying islands) and a quarter of Ireland. These problems might make it more difficult to categorise people in practice, especially historical people.

text: In my view (but others may well disagree!) it may make sense to retain the geographical/traditional divisions:
# Britannia
## Anglia
## Cambria
## Scotia
# Hibernia

text: I think it's a fact that people do tend to self-identify, and to identify others, with these divisions. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:33, 9 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Incidentally, whatever is decided in this case, I think (and maybe you do too) that the pattern "Homines XXXiae" is better in practice than any of the others. Patterns like "Britanni" and "Homines Anglici" are, I now think, inadvisable, because they imply ethnicity; this makes categorising more difficult and contentious. But this is another matter on which others may have quite different views! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:53, 9 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::To round off the discussion: the preferred form, as discussed elsewhere, is now Incolae XXXiae. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:01, 15 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ex pagina ''Disputatio Categoriae:Homines Anglici''
Disputatio Categoriae:Incolae Britanniae

message: Should the new category be called "Britanni" (I somehow overlooked that one in :Categoria:Homines secundum terram! Sorry!) or "Homines Britanniae" (taking into account what Andrew Dalby wrote in Disputatio Categoriae:Homines Anglici? --Iovis Fulmen 19:44, 10 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And just to clarify my position: I created "Britanni" but I would now prefer "Homines Britanniae". It may be unstylish Latin but it is a more neutral term, and, when you want to put people in useful categories quickly, the more neutral the better.

text: In any such case where we might want to rename an existing populated category, the neat move is (after discussion if necessary) to set it as a task for UVbot. UV seems to like doing this! and it is much quicker than manual renaming. Make the request on the page Vicipaedia:Automata/Category move requests. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:49, 11 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :To conclude the discussion above: this has now been done, the preferred form finally being Incolae Britanniae. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:54, 9 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  disputatio mota ex pagina ''Disputatio Categoriae:Homines Britanniarum Regni''
Disputatio:Married... with Children

message: Movete paginam ex "in matrimonio" ad "coniuges"
bella!

message: Salve. In hac commentatione verba "episodium" (episode pro Anglico) et "gradus" (season pro Anglico) abhinc tempus longum scripta sunt. Quid censetis de his nominibus? In aliis commentationibus creavi, verba "pars cinematographica" (episode) et "tempus cinematographicum" (season) adhibui. Causa est numquam vidi si vocabula Latina his sunt. 
Donatello (disputatio) 15:43, 25 Maii 2013 (UTC).
thread_title:  Vocabula cinematographica
Disputatio:Kusumoto Ine

message: Eum esse filium Sieboldi scribi potest in illa commentatione. Cusumoto ipse clarus esse non videtur.  --Iovis Fulmen 10:58, 12 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Si de pagina nostra iudicamus, recte mones. Sed de:wiki nobis dicit eam pictricem fuisse, et temporibus nostris personam principalem ludi musicalis. Ergo notabilis est. Oportet paginam longiorem habere et minime delere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:10, 25 Octobris 2008 (UTC)

message: Propono Kusumoto Ine cum Vicipaedia Theodisca. Inea fuit fortasse Latinizatio. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:24, 25 Octobris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  De nomine
Disputatio:Index Consiliariorum Foederalium

message: In case you have to add new counsellors you must modify the " rowspan="7"|2000* adding the new turn of election and therefore " rowspan="8"|2000.Then you must add 1 to all the members in charge but the member(s) who has/have dimissioned or is/are dead etc (and subtract 1 to him if the first column delete rowspan?). The new members are inserted with the new rowspan number(s) of theirs immediate predecessors.--Massimo Macconi 13:57, 13 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

message: I believed some months ago I understood the mechanism but each time I have to change it, It is something different. Could somebody please explain me how this table works?--Massimo Macconi 19:23, 7 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
I believe that 1) you have to had the new rowspan number with the date of the new election 2) add 1 to all the counsels 3) try to liberate the space of the dead or old counsel substracting -1 or  -2 4) add the new counsel with the number the dead or old counsel shoud have if he would have remained
thread_title:  I believed..
Disputatio:Res publica Coreana

message: Res Publica Coreae Anglice = 'Korea's Republic' (the one that Korea owns). Cur non melius Respublica Coreana Anglice = 'Republic of Korea' (the one that Korea is)? IacobusAmor 11:27, 15 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it said in Korean? Republic of Korea or Korean republic. If they have the distinction that would possibly settle it. In CFA, we say Civitates F. Americae not Civitates F. Americanae. I don't know Korean though.--Rafaelgarcia 15:01, 25 Maii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :I'm Korean. It is hard to translate into Korean that directly. However, anyway, the official English name is "Republic of Korea". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.202.84.16 13:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Commentarii titulus

message: De: "Praeses est decimus septimus I Myung-bak." Re vera? Praesides Coreani fuerunt I Myung-Bak I, I Myung-Bak II, I Myung-Bak III, I Myung-Bak IV, etc.? IacobusAmor 11:27, 15 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quot fuerunt I Myung-Bak?

message: Rubricas inter hanc paginam paginasque de Corea omni et de Corea septentrionali interdum motas in pagina Corea posui. Si quis rubricas separatas et inter se differentes de coquina Coreae meridianae et septentrionalis incipere vult, certe licet! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:31, 3 Martii 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Gastronomia" et "Coquina"
Disputatio:Ronaldus Stuart Thomas

message: Quomodo dicemus? Ecclesia Cambrensis generalius videtur. Ecclesia Anglicana Cambrensis? Ecclesia Cambrica? Credo nos 'Ecclesiam Hibernicam' accepisse pro Church of Ireland.Tergum violinae 09:24, 2 Iunii 2009 (UTC)
Confer Glanmor Williams, A History of the Welsh Church from Conquest to Reformation, 1962,p.1, ubi locutiones diversae tractantur. Quaestio paene intractabilis est (v.g.'anglicani' sensus: an Angliae forma adiectivalis annon connotatio confessionalis?; terminorum 'Wallensis', Wallicani, Cambrensis, Cambro-Britanni diversis temporibus usus; status iuridici absentia, hac specie ecclesiae hibernicae plus quam octo saeculis dissimilis). 'Wallicana' scribendo 'purae Walliae' notionem, quam Thomas affectabat,in mente habui----Clive Sweeting 26et 27 Augusti 2009.
thread_title:  'Church in Wales' Latine
Disputatio:Unicornis

message: De fonte: "Gaius Iulius Caesar (ca.100-44 a.C.n.) "Commentarii de Bello Gallico" (58-51 a.C.n.) Lib.Ⅵ.§26."—Dubito Caesarem hic unicornem describere. Vide narrationem (praecipue litteras graves):
replies: text: Est bos cervi figura, cuius a media fronte inter aures unum cornu exsistit excelsius magisque directum his, quae nobis nota sunt, cornibus: ab eius summo sicut palmae ramique late diffunduntur.
Fortasse hoc animal est alces vel "reindeer"? Certe, quamquam "unum cornu" habeat, non est noster unicornis! IacobusAmor 03:23, 19 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: : Recte dicis, Iacobe. Certe de tarandro hic agitur. Fortasse sub titulo "Mundus realis" afferri potest ubi alia quoque animalia memorantur, quibus unicornitatis descriptio compositionalis convenire videtur, licet nihil negotii habeat cum "vero" unicorni. Nescio quis quo de fonte hunc fontem sumpserit. Neque vero Herodotus in loco allato unicornem dicit. De numero formaque tacet. --Neander 18:42, 19 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fontes: Caesar
Disputatio:Antverpia

message: In cleaning up the page I removed this:
* Johannes Fabre (1958- )
because I couldn't identify the person involved. This is probably just my ignorance: please replace him in the list if appropriate, preferably adding a reference to a biography somewhere. Thanks! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:39, 19 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incolae noti
Disputatio:Pristis

message: I am not quite sure, but I think the genetive it must be pristidis? Teutonius 17:46, 19 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Non: pistris, pistris (f.) et pistrix, pistricis (f.).

message: Teutoni, ubi est tua pagina discretiva? Pistris etiam est balaena, genus navis, sidus, etc. IacobusAmor 18:33, 19 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
Care Iacobi, 
nexus discretivum adhuc creare non possum, timeo nexus vel paginas falsas creare... fortasse me adiuvare potest aliquis (imaginem cum taxonomia solam copiavi e vicipaedia anglice) Teutonius 19:18, 19 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
I think, the different spellings (misspellings) belong to the same meaning (myth. sea-monster) so I would rather leave them in the same page, so that the reader can refer to them and compare them more easily?
Other wise we would create lots of almost empty pages and the reader had to jump to and fro...
When the page has grown big enough, we still can easily split it up.
Teutonius 22:43, 19 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no hurry, gentlemen. I am not sure if we know to what extent the different spellings are interchangeable. (I may be saying the same thing as Teutonius in different words.) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:30, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discretiva
Disputatio:Pristis (genus)

message: The enlarged image has still the english summary - can I chage U(translatze it?
Teutonius 07:14, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand correctly, the full-size image pages borrow their descriptive material from the related page at Commons. So you could log in at Commons and add a Latin description to the English one on that related page. But, Commons being Commons, I don't think you ought to delete the English description! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:11, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :If you write a descritption on the la page it will show up with the commons text, but only here. --Iustinus 08:01, 15 Novembris 2008 (UTC)

message: :Vide etiam hanc disputationem
Well I wrote this page before I read your discussion, yet both names selachus and raia (ray Rochen) seem to be better than squalus (dirty?) or batos (?), but I dont know much about the greek roots...
Teutonius 11:19, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Raia means "ray" and selachos means "cartilagenous fish" (i.e. sharks + rays) --Iustinus 08:01, 15 Novembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  De nomine 

message: Haec pagina familiam Pristidas aut genus Pristem describit? Lesgles (disputatio) 20:31, 1 Aprilis 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Totum ordinem, ut videtur! :o IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:51, 1 Aprilis 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: :Nunc propter hanc confusionem paginam rescripsi et priorem versionem infra transcribo. Si quis intellegat, quae partes quos pisces describant, eas restituere possimus. Lesgles (disputatio) 17:29, 29 Decembris 2019 (UTC)

text: :Pristis est piscis marinus, selachis similis, familiae Pristidarum, cum Batoideis in superordine descriptus. Pristibus sunt rostrum serratum, ideo et secundum linguam Graecam πρiστός 'serratus' dicuntur.

text: :Praeterea sunt alii pisces quidam ex ordine Pristiformibus, pristibus valde similes sed non cognati. Cunctae species valde rarae sunt, ideo est interdicta venatio.

text: :Pristes rostro eorum possunt indagare pulsum cardium minorum animalium (ut cancri & sim.) sub fundo maris latentium. Eo quoque utuntur ad eos effodentes. Praedam praeternatantem et rostro ferire possunt, quamquam ex more segne se gerunt. Rostrum scilicet et ad defensionem inservitur.

text: :Serratura rostri dentibus veris valde similis, sed e squamis constat: squamae et dentes sicut et apud selachos serratae et asperae.

text: :Pristes carent vesicis natatoriis (cui et nomen "nectocystis" est), loco eo habent iecur oleo repletum, ita ut aqua sursum ferri possunt. Ossatura quoque carent, firmamentum corporis eorum cartilago enim est.

text: :Oculi non acri sunt quia aquam turbidam inhabitant. Noctu venantur; die tamen dormiunt.

text: :Pristes in aqua salsa (marina) et subsalsa (in ore fluminum) vivere possunt, et ex aqua una in alteram versari solent.

text: :Feminae non ova sed pullos pariunt, rostrum pullorum usque ad partus tempus putamine mollo involutum.
thread_title:  Familia aut genus?
Disputatio:Carolus Franciscus Lhomond

message: What is masmorris ?--Jondel 11:59, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to ask the same thing! IacobusAmor 12:05, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: : Nescio ego! Sed e lectura versionis Francogallicae intellego is Tallien magistrum extraxit e carcere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:07, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: masmorris
Disputatio Formulae:Confestim delenda

message: I created this because cross-wiki timelords seem to expect it to exist. I know, I know, it needs to be translated into Latin. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:03, 20 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the intended difference between this and :formula:Delenda? If it's the same, surely those nosey Gallifreyans woule be happy with a redirect? --Iustinus 20:53, 12 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: : Should we perhaps move this template to Formula:Cito delenda or Formula:Confestim delenda? I think that the intended difference is that this template is to be used for obvious cases only ("speedydelete") while  would invite for a discussion on whether to delete or not. --UV 23:30, 12 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :: Ah! Well originally  was written for speedydelete (my original text said "statim delendam"), but since there was so little of anything on vicipaedia, it immediately ended up being used for just delete (which is how the statim disappeared long before Neander rephrased it). I didn't even notice the distinction frankly (of course back then there was little need for it), which is why just today I was arguing at disputatio formulae:delenda that it was intended to invite a discussion! --Iustinus 00:36, 13 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::: I hadn't realised the history of :Formula:Delenda. I am thinking that, as Iustinus suggests above, the two should be merged (i.e., "Delete" should become a redirect to "Delenda") -- because, as it turns out, this formula is actually being used in cases where discussion arises. The need for a real, not-worth-arguing-about "Confestim delere" formula does not seem to have arisen yet! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:05, 13 Decembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temporary formula
Disputatio:Georgius Sepheres

message: de:wiki gives his birth name as "Giorgos Stylianos Seferiadis". This is pretty certainly a mistake, because Greeks don't normally have middle names of their own; their middle names are patronymics, so (if his father was officially Stylianos, as is likely though I can't verify it) his birth name was "Giorgos Stylianou Seferiadis".
But, anyway, we can't insert the Stylianos or Stylianou into his pseudonym and make him "Georgius Stylianu Sepheres". His pseudonym is what it is -- Γιώργος Σεφέρης --, and we can't add to it. All we can do is to transliterate it into Latin, "Georgius Sepheres". At least, that's what I think. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:18, 21 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen 

message: Again, de:wiki seems to be wrong in saying Smyrna. Other sources (including even the picture caption on de:wiki) say Urla (modern Greek Vourla). So, where exactly is this? :en:Urla says it is ancient Clazomenae, but I don't know if this is accurate. Does anyone? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:23, 21 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer my own question, I think Clazomenae must be near Urla but not on the same site. It's quite a long way from Smyrna, anyway. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:54, 21 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth
Disputatio:Ricardus Fox

message: Quid significat fuit episcopus, vir publicus et homo ductus Anglicus 'was an English bishop, politician, and led human': a led human?  IacobusAmor 11:39, 22 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quid significat

message: soryy for the misstake--85.2.191.5 12:52, 22 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  doctus non ductus
Disputatio:25 Ianuarii

message: "Daniel Armellinus, suasor CEP ac triumphator Estatis Puerorum MMVIII" =? IacobusAmor 01:35, 27 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quis scire potest? Daniel Armellinus, advisor of CEP and be triumphed of the estas of 2008 boys.!? --Rafaelgarcia 02:40, 27 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :Close! I'd have guessed: "Daniel Armellino, advisor of CEP and a person worthy of a triumphal parade of an estas of 2008 boys." I love these puzzles! But what's a CEP? and an estas? IacobusAmor 03:22, 27 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Unless usor ignotus 79.18.116.179 explains what it means, I suggest it be deleted. IacobusAmor 03:24, 27 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Since he is anonymous, it's unlikely that he will ever weigh in. I think that justifies deleting it, since we don't have a clue how to fix it, and are very unlikely to ever have a clue. We can add it back later if he objects. --Rafaelgarcia 03:29, 27 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Daniel Armellinus, suasor CEP
Disputatio:Index radicum Indoeuropaearum

message: Linguane Frixa sit lingua Frisica? --Fabullus 12:56, 28 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sic, fortasse ... credo hanc commentationem e vicipaedia Gallaeca versam. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:06, 28 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lingua Frisia 

message: Si quis habet verbum latinum pro " tendon ". Non inveni melius quam "filum" vel "tendo" quod videtur non existere. --Marc mage 20:37, 30 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: est 'sinew, tendon'.  —Mucius Tever 22:09, 30 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tendon ???
Disputatio:Eduardus Georgius Power Biggs

message: De: "I don't doubt it for a moment, but I would like to know the source."—Egomet hoc audivi agnomen Cantabrigiae dum ipse vivebat, et probabiliter inter suas exsecutiones; dubito autem an hanc vocem in libris typis descriptis inveniamus. Suos interrogemus? IacobusAmor 13:43, 28 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I got an e-mail today from Barbara Owen -- biographer of Biggs and dear friend of both Biggs and his wife Peggy.  She never heard the Bugs Bunny reference.  Nor have I.  Nor do any of my colleagues. It's safe to say, therefore, that it does not warrant inclusion in this res. LionhardusCiampa 22:47, 20 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: E. Bugs Bunny
Disputatio:Nicolaus Ebner

message: ... Disputatio usoris:Andrew Dalby#Your changes on Claudius Ebner. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:35, 28 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also 

message: He's a worthy chap, no doubt, and has neatly spammed himself across the wikiworld. But this version is too much like a CV at present, with its minor prizes, almost-prizes and travel grants. It wants some editing. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:12, 30 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reducing?
Disputatio:Fungus

message: Quomodo possum creare nexum ad anglicam paginam fungorum "mushrooms" loco "linguis aliis"? Teutonius 07:09, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
Iam intellexi, nihil eo smplius! Teutonius 08:11, 29 Augusti 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: De nexibus

message: Evelina dellaWired scripsit "Fixed grammar," but in fact that change ruined the grammar, as organismi was correctly in the genitive case. I've made the sense clearer. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:33, 11 Februarii 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: "Fixed" indeed