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Disputatio Formulae:Capsa asteroidis

message: Videte s.v.p. Usor:Robert.Baruch/Asteroids.

message: "Imago descriptionis" isn't right: it means "image of the description". What we want is "description of the image", which would be "Descriptio imaginis". I suspect very few pages as yet use this parameter, so we could easily change it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:36, 5 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, I must have been sleeping when I wrote that. Good catch! I'll change it and update the pages. -- Robert.Baruch 20:59, 5 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latinitas
Disputatio:Acustica

message: Physica, id est, Scientia rerum corporearum et Nosologia methodica. --Ioscius (disp) 23:49, 9 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ehhh... retraho. --Ioscius∞ 00:20, 10 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: motus ratio
Disputatio:Nuoc-mam

message: En: habet duas paginas:
*:en:Garum
*:en:Fish sauce
Redirectionem ad :en:Fish sauce est :en:Nuoc-mam.
Fr: habet duas quoque
*:fr:Garum
*:fr:Nuoc-mam
Garum nectitur inter fr: et en: (et la:)
fish sauce et nuoc-mam nectuntur inter en: et fr:
Habemus nos 
*Garum
*Nuoc-mam
Ergo sunt paginae tres, intervici nexus autem duo. En: caret nuoc-man, nos non caremus "fish sauce" quia garum scilicet id est... Nescio quod faciamus hic, si aliquid facere debemus... --Ioscius∞ 21:22, 10 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Pro tempore moveo ad Nước mắm quia regula nostra est, si nomen Latinum non habemus, orthographia nativa uti. De paginis nescio an sit problema ... Haec res in Europa non fit; nomen igitur ex Asia reperimus (sed nesciocur Vietnamice potius quam Thai vel Tagalog vel Birmanice vel Malayane!) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:31, 10 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Mea quidem sententia Nước mắm non est admittendum cum signis diacriticis, etenim nomen latinizatum est nuoc-mam, est verbum indeclinabile ut multa extant in latino (praesertim in Biblia). Igitur titulus symbolae est latine nuoc-mam, quod est vere latinum nomen.--Bruxellensis 13:03, 11 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Si nuoc-mam "est vere Latinum nomen", oportet fontem citare. Fonte Latino citato, nuoc-mam possumus accipere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:36, 11 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)

text: :Do tibi igitur hunc textum latinum in quo legi verbum nuoc-mam, veste latina indutum: "Inde patet fabricationem gari conferri posse cum fabricatione illius condimenti, quod est maximo in usu apud Indosinenses hodiernos, quod "nuoc-mam" (liquorem piscium vocant). "Nuoc-mam" enim gignitur e maceratione piscium in salsura densa". Et hoc nomen reperitur in variis aliis locis eiusdem symbolae cuius auctor est Doctor Medicus Gaius Licoppe: "De vera natura gari", in commentariis quibus titulus Vox Latina, tomus 16, fasc. 60, anno 1980, p. 183. Ipse ego sarciens indices bibliographicos nonnullorum scriptorum neo-latinorum hic prima vice vidi hoc nomen nuoc-mam, tali modo exaratum. Igitur, o optime iudex, his lectis, decernas an nuoc-mam sit necne admittendum latine (quod non impediet quin pergam hoc liquamine, qualecumque sit eius nomen futurum, frui et gaudere). Sapiat tibi quoque.--Bruxellensis 13:59, 11 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)

text: :Macte, amice! Symbolam Licoppianam ad bibliographiam meam alimentorum classicorum statim addo. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:06, 11 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  de nomine 

message: Denuo tres series commentationum sunt, i.e. :d:Q18456374, :d:Q545985, :d:Q950470. Haec res accidit quia Iaponenses (soli omnium) tres commentationes de salsamentis e piscibus habent. Ex hac ratione, ut commentationem generalem nostram ad seriem commentationum generalium et utiliorum coniungam, tertiam commentationem apud nos sub nomine generali liquamen creo. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:18, 30 Novembris 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  De tribus commentationibus apud Vicidata
Disputatio:Laurentius Medices

message: Rarissimi sunt qui recte hoc illustre nomen declinare queunt, ita putavi utile hic de hac re aliquid addere. Hoc nomen declinatur secundum tertiam declinationem. (Nom: Medices, gen: Medicis) ut potui intelligere ex inscriptionibus quae sunt in statuis Medicium in Palatio Florentiae. Ut pro nomine Verres.
*N. Medices : exemplum: Laurentius Medices regnabat.
*V. Medices  : O, Iuliane Medices, quid facis!
*Gen: Medicis : Filius est Iuliani Medicis.
*Dat: Medici :  Dedi Iuliano Medici florenos centum.
*Acc:Medicem : Vidi heri Iulianum Medicem.
*Abl:Medice  : Iuliano Medice regnante, res publica floruit.
Pluraliter:
*N: Medices  : Multi Medices regnaverunt diu.
*V: Medices  : O, optimi Medices, facitote gloriam urbis!
*Gen: Medicium  : Ibi est tumba multorum Medicium.
*Dat: Medicibus : Papa dedit Medicibus potentiam.
*Acc: Medices  : Vidi plures Medices depictos in museo Florentiae.
*Abl: Medicibus  :Medicibus regnantibus, Florentia valuit.
--Bruxellensis 15:06, 12 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: De declinatione nominis quod est "Medices"
Disputatio:Gens Medicaea

message: Rarissimi sunt qui recte hoc illustre nomen declinare queunt, ita putavi utile hic de hac re aliquid addere. Hoc nomen declinatur secundum tertiam declinationem. (Nom: Medices, gen: Medicis) ut potui intelligere ex inscriptionibus quae sunt in statuis Medicium in Palatio Florentiae.
Declinatur ut Verres -is
*N. Medices
*V. Medices
*Gen: Medicis
*Dat: Medici
*Acc:Medicem
*Abl:Medice
Pluraliter:
*N: Medices
*V: Medices
*Gen: Medicium
*Dat: Medicibus
*Acc: Medices
*Abl: Medicibus
--Bruxellensis 15:09, 12 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: De declinatione nominis quod est "Medices"
Disputatio:Themisto (satelles)

message: 'Workshop-name'? a name used in courtesy or for duty? The only Latin term for English 'official' given in Cassell's is "publicus (= of the state)." I raise this point because the word appears to be in danger of becoming formulaic in articles on heavenly bodies—and this doesn't seem like one of those cases in which Vicipaedia must necessarily use a Late Latin word, or even invent a new one, because the exact term for the thing didn't already exist in Latin of the Golden Age. IacobusAmor 15:28, 14 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not "workshop": that would be officinale.

text: I don't think "publicus" is right: these names have nothing to do with states or political life. But by all means suggest something apter. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:40, 14 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Cassell says 'of the state'?  The use of 'publicus' for 'official' seems more like the intent would be for the state, i.e. for official use, or what one would use in legalese. —Mucius Tever 22:57, 15 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "nomine officiali"
Disputatio:Lobium

message: Lobby, cuius nomen latinum adhuc non notescit ... Verbum anglo-americanum lobby nihil commune habet cum lobia, laubia aut lobium. Falso confunditur in hoc libro ..." Haec sine fonte addita sunt, fonte antea citato reiecto. Si id volumus facere, debemus fontem meliorem citare. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:46, 14 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputatio etymologica
Disputatio:Iocaste (satelles)

message: Quia littera S Latine enuntiatur es (sic ait W. Sidney Allen), fortasse melius "ab S. S. Sheppard reperta est." IacobusAmor 19:33, 14 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think not. I was taught to write in such cases as if the speaker would speak the full word, not the abbreviation. Anyone else have a view on this? Any help from style guides? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:06, 14 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)

text: No, OK, I see Eric Partridge (Usage and Abusage) agrees with you. To two sensible stylists I straightway submit. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:10, 14 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "a S. S. Sheppard reperta est."
Disputatio:Io

message: Haec olim in pagina secreta hic pro tempore repono. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:34, 15 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
The Hawaiian Hawk's local name 
Io (voievodal title particle), a particle of a title used by Romanian royalty from Moldavia and Walachia 
Iwo Jima, a volcanic island in Japan
In modern fiction:
Blind Io, the current king of the gods in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series of fantasy novels 
Io (Dungeons & Dragons), the chief deity worshipped by dragons in the Dungeons & Dragons role-playing game 
Io (Babylon 5), a space station in the science fiction television show Babylon 5
In technology:
The IO.SYS file in DOS and Windows 95, 98 and ME. 
Ido, a constructed language's ISO 639 alpha-2 codeiter 
Io (programming language), a pure object-oriented programming language 
iO Digital Cable Service, a digital cable service offered by Cablevision 
Mitsubishi Pajero iO, a mini SUV produced by Mitsubishi Motors 
Input/Output, communication between information processing systems
thread_title:  Additamenta
Disputatio Vicipaediae:Conventicula vicipaedianorum

message: Vicipaediani qui saepissime collaborant nunc sunt in:
#CFA - Rafael, Iacobus, Iustinus, Mucius Tever, Secundus Zephyrus, CeleritasSoni
#Francia - Andrew, ThbdGrrd, Vigneron, GeoffreyCalabria 
#Germania - Schulz-Hameln, UV, Alex1011, Amphitrite, Chris1981 (?)
#Britanniarum regnum - Harrissimo, Xaverius, TergumViolinae?, CliveSweeting (?)
#Italia - Poecus, Rex Momo, Nuada (?)
#Nederlandia - Fabullus, Hendricus
#Slovenia - Ioscius
#Austria - Utilo, Chris1981 (?)
#Belgica - Bruxellensis
#Helvetia - Helveticus Montanus
#Finnia - Neander
#Russia (accuratius Siberia!) - Alexander
#Cechia - Gabriel
#Philippinae (?) - Jondel
#Nescio ubi sint Marcus Bibliophilus et Marcus Magus nostri
[N.B. nomina nonnulla addidi -- Andrew] Fortasse quidam locus in Germania est situs optimus conventiculo?--Xaverius 00:16, 20 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fortasse, ut tale conventaculum bene habeatur, quando tanto refert quanto ubi, quia non omnes discipuli universitarii multos dias liberes habentes summus.--24.183.186.151 03:24, 21 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Optime putas. Certe melior sit in aestate.--Xaverius 09:43, 21 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Liceretne etiam mihi dum adulescenti ac discipulo ad conventus hos una cum vobis convenire, quando quidem fieri possent -quod vere spero-? Latinitatem vere peto ubicumque sit. Sed mihi dite, quaeso: quod praecipue agitur istis in conventiculis?--Poecus 20:56, 21 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::Mi Poeci, in conventiculis simpliciter vicipaediani concurrent et coram loquuntur. In quibusdam conventiculis linguarum peregrinarum saepe etiam acroases aut lectiones dant.--Xaverius 23:44, 21 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::::Gratias de explicatione ago. De loco, egomet vivo in Italia, sed spatio fere 200 km a Roma. Si vicipaedianus quidam vivat illic, nescio.--Poecus 14:17, 22 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)

text: :::quamquam solus Rex Momo e Italia scribet, etiam Romae conventiculae sedes esse potest, sed vere aut autumno non certe mense Iulio aut Augusto--Helveticus montanus 21:34, 21 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Macte, Massimo. Roma naturaliter est locus optimus. Sed si nemo inter nos Romae vivit, quomodo conventiculum componamus? Facilior sit cum vicipaediano Romano--Xaverius 23:32, 21 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::: de conventicula Regi Momo hoc scripsi: Carissimo, viste le ottime conoscenze che hai in campo ecclesiastico mi chiedevo se magari tu eri in grado di concretizzare, almeno a livello di possibile alternativa, l'ipotesi di un incontro a Roma. Ipotesi che gli altri, vedi Disputatio Vicipaediae:Conventicula vicipaedianorum tendono a scartare di principio per ragioni appunto logistiche e organizzative. Ciao--Helveticus montanus 14:23, 26 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ubi

message: *Videte Vicipaedia:Conventicula vicipaedianorum/Primum conventiculum: Roma 2010
thread_title: Conventiculum Primum 2010
Disputatio Vicipaediae:Lexica Latina interretialia

message: The first Link ("Latein und mehr") doesn't work on my computer.--Chris1981 18:22, 21 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Same with me, page not found. .:Lord Roman 16:41, 12 Augusti 2010 (UTC):.
replies: text: :Fixed, I suppose.--Ioscius  ∞ 22:03, 12 Augusti 2010 (UTC)
Regarding dead links: If a link is dead, then one should check whether or not it's available at archive.org (or similar sides). If it is still available somewhere, then one might link to an archived version, and if it isn't available, then one should remove the link. -22:40, 18 Iulii 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead links
Disputatio:Sanctius (rex Aragonum)

message: What do you mean with "alter"?--Chris1981 03:46, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He was the second king of Aragon - is "alter" not adequate here?--Xaverius 10:05, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thanks. I didn't know it could mean "second".--Chris1981 21:17, 27 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  fuit alter rex Aragoniae 

message: What I'd like to know is why Sancius in
is being read as Sanctius. IacobusAmor 04:07, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Depending on the manuscript you read, the name "Sancho" is spelled Sanctius, Sancius, Sansius. --Xaverius 10:06, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)

text: PS: and even Santius
replies: text: :Well, but it's confusing for an image of one thing (Sancius) to serve as an illustration of another (Sanctius), so one might suggest fixing the lemma or using a different image. IacobusAmor 13:27, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::It's the same thing, but, yes, the name variation has to be dealt with somnehow. For the moment I've made the variation explicit in the caption, but I agree that it might be better dealt with in the lemma. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:48, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::It seems to be pretty common in that time, that the spelling of non-latin names was non-uniform. I had to deal with a Bezelin/Bezilin/Berthold/Birchtilo once, who lived around the year 1000 in what is today southwest Germany. According to the en WP the name Sancho is a Castilian name of Basque origin (Santxo, Santzo, Santso, Antzo). SANCHO Spanish form of Sanctius --Chris1981 05:34, 29 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::Oh dear. Then it looks as if the i in the Latin spellings wasn't pronounced independently, as /i/, but was functioning to make the preceding consonant a sibilant. Accordingly, the "T" of San(c)tius wasn't really a /t/. In other words, the spelling San(c)tius will be making classicists pronounce three syllables, San(c)-ti-us, where the man's contemporaries would have pronounced two, San(c)-sus or Sanʃus—phonemic strings that Cicero might have spelled Sansus or Sanxus. The "T" thus being intrusive, as an artifact of medieval spelling, Cicero redivivus will mispronounce the word less noticeably if it's spelled Sancius than if it's spelled Sanctius. IacobusAmor 12:27, 29 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::Hoffmann has "Sanctius" as a standard form. Maybe we should keep it that way and make all these indications in the page Sanctius?--Xaverius 11:06, 31 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)

text: ::::Would we need to add all the variations in all the pages of kings named Sancho then? or may it be easier to have a page Sanctius which would explain it?--Xaverius 08:53, 29 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::I think a page Sanctius would be a good idea.--Chris1981 21:19, 27 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sancius
Disputatio:Aetas ferrea

message: Haec pagina deleatur, ut Aetas Ferrea (cum 'F' capitale) huc moveatur. --Fabullus 12:38, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: quod sunt paginae quae ad hanc nectunt, non licet paginam delere--Xaverius 12:50, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: : Credo licere: cum pagina Aetas ferrea deleta erit, Aetas Ferrea ad Aetas ferrea movenda erit, ita ut pagina ipsa et pagina redirectionis inter se commutatae sint! --Fabullus 13:36, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Ita; pagina fuit redirectio tantum; igitur historiá caret. Delevi et movi. Disputationes contribui. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:54, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Omnem puto aetatem capitalizari: Aetas Ferrea, non Aetas ferrea (Anglice Iron Age, non iron Age; Hispanice Edad del Hierro, non Edad del hierro). IacobusAmor 14:20, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::: Equidem non puto. Cur Anglicam normam in hac re sequi debeamus? (Cf. Fr. Âge du fer, It. Età del ferro.) Extra Wikipediam, ut videtur, etiam Hispanice edad de hierro scribere licet: Videntur enim vacillare, utrum Anglica an Romanica norma observanda sit. Ego "aetatem ferream" scribam ac spero neminem me in hac re umquam correcturum esse. Equidem polliceor neminem iam maiusculis utentem corrigere. Quia variis ex culturis oriundi sumus, certam "polyphoniam culturalem" tolerandam esse censeo. --Neander 15:06, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::Et hic nexus  habet "Aetas ferrea". --Alex1011 16:41, 28 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)

message: Confer:
replies: text: :En:Iron Age: "The Iron Age is taken to begin in the 12th century BC."

text: Ego: "Aetas Ferrea habetur incipere saeculo duodecimo a.C.n."

text: RochA1: "Aetas Ferrea habetur coepere saeculo duodecimo a.C.n."

text: Andreas: "Aetas Ferrea incepisse habetur saeculo duodecimo a.C.n."
Pro "is taken to begin," quid est optimum? IacobusAmor 11:30, 23 Maii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :Pro is taken to begin, "incipere habetur".

text: :Sed is taken to begin non nobis relevat. Hic de re perfecta scribimus, et melius quam en:wiki. Anglice oportet dicere is held/taken to have begun; Latine (praetendo) "incepisse habetur". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:57, 23 Maii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Non melius igitur habetur coepisse? IacobusAmor 14:30, 23 Maii 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tempora
Disputatio:Brachyzostrodon

message: NO, IT'S NOT A "GENUS EXSTINCTA." The agreement of adjectives & nouns is covered in the first few weeks of any beginner's Latin course. The continuing insertion of gibberish is not necessarily improving this encyclopedia. IacobusAmor 21:12, 2 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "est genus mammalium exstincta."
Disputatio:Nummotheca (Francia)

message: Retraxi nexus qui sequuntur; mihi videntur "propaganda". Sed nescio ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:15, 4 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
* www.cabinetdesmedailles.net, salvate museum.
* jesigne.fr/sauvonsleplusancienmuseedefrance.
thread_title:  Retraxi
Disputatio:Lydia Winniczuk

message: Haec formula in pagina misit Usor:Pantocrator:

message: But surely every published classical philologist is notable here? IacobusAmor 04:45, 7 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ... and this one already has entries on Polish and Russian wikis, with a substantial list of works. Yes, surely she belongs here too. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:59, 7 Februarii 2010 (UTC)

text: substantial list of published works, therefore keep. --UV 15:03, 7 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Very well, I didn't know anything about her. Perhaps someone could add links to some material on her? Pantocrator 02:21, 8 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "delete|Notability?"
Disputatio:Meles (genus)

message: Pantocrator: "Meles means badger. Taxidea taxus is a badger; where else would you put it?"—Yes, Meles means 'badger', but not all badgers are Meles. (It's the all-squares-are-rectangles-but-not-all-rectangles-are-squares thing.) More precisely, Meles would appear to mean 'a member of (only) one of the three subfamilies of weasels that in English are called badger.' IacobusAmor 13:53, 7 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it has no classical Latin name (unless Saint Brendan gave it one?) you would surely put it at Taxidea taxus, as I have now done. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:02, 7 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Surely, and obviously! IacobusAmor 14:19, 7 Februarii 2010 (UTC)

text: In the absence of any contrary evidence I think we should assume that the Latin meles is equivalent to the English 'badger'; and surely someone searching for 'meles' should see a list of all the animals that can be called by that name, which is the case now.

text: It is not unlikely, though, there is a 18c. or 19c. Latin source mentioning Taxidea taxus, which should make it clear whether meles is used to refer to it (It probably is.). Pantocrator 02:24, 8 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :It may be. If such a source is found, we should take it into account; meanwhile, what you've added at Meles is useful. But it would be Anglocentric, and also counter to the mass of evidence on ethnobotany and ethnozoology, to assume that a Latin name for an animal or plant has the same semantic range as an English one. Why should that be the case? Very often it isn't.  Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:40, 8 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::With meles, it isn't. We have no warrant to assume "that the Latin meles is equivalent to the English 'badger'." (Keyword: equivalent; the semantic ranges differ widely.) As written above, an animal of genus Meles is "a member of (only) one of the three subfamilies of weasels that in English are called badger." IacobusAmor 13:47, 8 Februarii 2010 (UTC)

text: :On Vicipaedia we are really lucky that Latin is the official language for scientific names of species. Whether we should prefer these scientific names as our titles, where there happens to be a choice, hasn't been fully decided (if I remember correctly), but at any rate we can always appeal to them to ensure precision. If someone wants to write an article about what English speakers call the American badger, or any other animal or plant named in any language, we know we will always have at least one precise Latin name for it -- the currently valid scientific name. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:40, 8 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Turris Eiffeliana

message: Eiffelia is simply not Latin. It's just something the dictionary writer pulled out of his ass. Google shows that both forms are used (Eiffelia has more hits, yes, but that's quite possibly because of our influence), and we should not be supporting bad Latin.
In addition, two other articles on this wiki use Eiffel, so it's clearly the more natural form. Pantocrator 12:35, 8 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Turris Eiffelia is an attested form for the Eiffel Tower, and creating adjectives out of surnames is something which has been happening in Latin during the last centuries (very common in botanical Latin, for instance). Here it is a rule to use attested forms, no mater what you may think about dictionaries, which you already explained elsewhere. --Xaverius 12:44, 8 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Turris quam aedificavit Eiffel appellanda est "Eiffeliana". Eiffeliam autem appellabis Eiffelii filiam. Recte ergo dixit Pantocrator hoc nomen non esse Latinum.
thread_title:  Nomen