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Disputatio:Lux

message: Non credo lucem semper radiationem visisilbem esse. Vide versionem Anglicam.-anon

message: :I think both metra and metrorum are correct here. Simplifying we can compare
replies: text: :Distantia est quinque metra, quinque (adjective) modifies metra->The distance is five meters.

text: versus
replies: text: :Distantia est quinque metrorum, metrorum modifies quinque (noun)->The distance is five in meters.

text: Numbers generally are both adjectives and nouns (with only a few exceptions).

text: --Rafaelgarcia 03:02, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Big numbers are special. Mille "is in the singular an indeclinable adjective. . . . In the plural it is used as a neuter noun" (A&G #134). So mille homines 'one thousand men', but duo milia hominum 'two thousands of men = two thousand men'. Presumably the Latin terms for millions, billions, trillions, and so on, work the same way. IacobusAmor 04:14, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: metra aut metrorum
Disputatio:Stephanus Viu

message: delenda pagina promotionalis?
I don't speak your language, but on Polish Wikipedia we're currently discussing elimination of the article about Estéfano Viu - he is not really in google (only other interwiki), there is a risk of a scam, all articles were created from anonymous IP in December 2006 and January 2007 http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SDU/Est%C3%A9fano_Viu
replies: text: I added or  template. --Rolandus 16:37, 21 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :If it is a hoax, apparently it's a hoax not unconnected with :fr:Antoni Tàpies, who claims in his own biography elsewhere (see footnote I've added to the article) to have collaborated with this man. I recommend keeping the article, therefore; if other Wikipedias tell us how they know this was a hoax, we can then categorise him under :Categoria:Personae ficticiae.

text: :It is odd that there doesn't seem to have been an entry in the Catalan Wikipedia. That makes it suspicious. Quite a full one in the Basque Wikipedia, though, if anyone wants to look. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:25, 4 Iunii 2007 (UTC)

text: :I was wrong. There was an article in Catalan. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:30, 4 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::I've found another independent source mentioning him, and added the reference. I don't think this was a hoax, or, if by any chance it was, it's a very notable one! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:22, 4 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :::... so I've removed . --Rolandus 21:38, 4 Iunii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: delenda

message: He has been deleted from all other Wikipedias. We are now the last source on Viu. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:02, 18 Martii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Woohoo! The "last" source in more ways than one! Since notions of "notability" are themselves POVs, Vicipaedia may be the wiki that most closely approaches the happy state of truly having an NPOV. IacobusAmor 01:03, 19 Martii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :Of course the desire to have an NPOV may also represent a POV—so we may be stuck in an endless regression. Oh well. IacobusAmor 01:05, 19 Martii 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now we are the definitive source
Disputatio:Insulae Normannicae

message: Salve! Tables on theories of Latin names of Channel Islands can be found at :nrm:Îles d'la Manche. Man vyi 15:44, 7 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very useful link! But (just being my usual pedantic self) the Channel Islands aren't part of the United Kingdom. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:22, 7 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :True - but fixing anything about that here is beyond my Latin.  Man vyi  17:14, 7 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Has that something to do with the mysterious difference between "United Kingdom" and "Great Britain"? --Alex1011 20:11, 7 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :::The Channel Islands don't belong to either. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the big island. The "United Kingdom" currently includes all of this big island and also Northern Ireland. That's the difference, roughly. But I bet you knew that anyway ...
replies: text: ::::Incidentally, while I was taking up Man vyi's challenge and making a brief article for Insulae Normannorum, someone else has made an article for Caesarea Maritima, which seems to be a fancy name for Jersey. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:41, 7 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputatio remota ab ''[[Index locorum in Regno Unito]]''

message: Fontes neque pro "Insulae Normannorum" neque pro "Manicae Insulae" reperio, sed (paucos) pro "Insulae Normannicae". An movere oportet? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:19, 17 Septembris 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Etenim solum pro "Insulae Normannicae" fontes repperi: - Günther Alexander Ernst Adolf Saalfeld, Deutsch-lateinisches Handbüchlein der Eigennamen aus der alten, mittleren und neuen Geographie, Lipsiae, 1885, C. F. Wintersche Verlagshandlung, p.443.   - Julius Victor Carus, Prodromus faunae mediterraneae, sive Descriptio animalium maris Mediterranei incolarum, quam comparata silva rerum quatenus innotuit, adiectis locis et nominibus vulgaribus eorumque auctoribus, Stutgardiae, E. Schweizerbart, Vol. V, p.5.  . Mihi videtur mutatio oportere. --Leonellus Pons (disputatio) 04:07, 18 Septembris 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  De nomine
Disputatio:Nauru

message: I ask myself if "Naurum" is correct...? Regarding the words "nauruensis", "nauruis" and "naurunus", I don't think the word naurum -i n. is correct... any thoughts? -- CdaMVvWgS 20:15, 7 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If 'Chicago' can become Sicagum, 'Nauru' can easily become Naurum, but that may not be the best form. Eventually I'll get around to posting a suggestion on the Latinization of Pacific placenames and other proper names. Insular Pacific languages include vowels in their roots much more extensively than Latin imagines & wants to accommodate, so it's almost inevitable that Latin will delete or alter vowels that islanders would consider essential parts of words. For Pacific words ending in /u/, the fourth declension could prove handy (Nauru, -us). The adjective Nauruensis is established scientific terminology. Nauruis is a puzzler, and Naurunus looks like nonsense: Nauruanus would be well-formed, but Nauruensis has long been attested. IacobusAmor 00:23, 8 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Well, this has the adjective 'Naurunus'. But of course checking a dedicated reference would be the best thing to do for the noun form. —Myces Tiberinus 01:32, 8 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::OK, so Naurunus is attested in sectarian usage. Is it well-formed? IacobusAmor 01:47, 8 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Sorry for rushing into a move. I decided on Naurunus because (it looks neat and) only two sites mention nauruensis on google search (which aren't vicipaedia mirror sites). Both of which speculate on one species. I'll have redirects from -ensis here. Tibi placetne, Iacobe? Harrissimo 20:07, 27 Novembris 2007 (UTC).

message: I see that someone has changed "in Oceania occidentali" (which had preserved CdaMVvWgS's original, but ungrammatical, phrasing, "in Oceania occidentalis"), to "in occidentale Oceaniae." My dictionaries don't show a substantive use of occidentalis, -e, but even if that were OK (as it often is), is there a good reason to change 'in western Oceania' to 'in the west of Oceania'? L&S show several classical attestations of the adjective:
replies: text: :occĭdentālis, e, adj. [occidens] ,
replies: text: :I. western, westerly, west- (post-Aug.): ab occidentali latere septentrionis, Plin. 18, 34, 77, § 338 : ventus, Gell. 2, 22, 22 : sidus, Amm. 15, 10 init. : mare, Vulg. Deut. 11, 24 : ventus, id. Ezech. 42, 19.
I can imagine some possible reasons, so am just checking about implied subtleties. IacobusAmor 14:40, 8 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "In Oceania occidentali" vs. "In occidentale Oceaniae"

message: Recte mones, amice 93.138.122.241, de ordine verborum! Nobis est quidam geographus qui ordinem "adi. + n." ordini "n. + adi." anteponere solet. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:22, 18 Martii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Ordo verborum
Disputatio:Nuntii Latini Italici

message: Responsio ab interrete est: 
Fatal Error
connect failed: Operation timed out. No response from server 151.97.125.241:8000
--Alex1011 10:34, 8 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Worked for me, Alex...--Ioshus (disp) 13:37, 8 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Me too. IacobusAmor 14:48, 8 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Here at home I can hear it too. Sounds very Italian. --Alex1011 18:13, 8 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Ideally, the boldfaced word(s) in the first sentence of an article should match the title of the article. At the moment here, they don't. IacobusAmor 14:35, 16 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title & boldfaced words
Disputatio:Ruta

message: *http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/r/rue---20.html
*http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/L/Roman/Texts/Pliny_the_Elder/23*.html#149
thread_title: Links for future reference

message: Scripsit IacobusAmor:
replies: text: Habitantne Aethiopes Africam orientalem (non septentrionalem)?
Well, this combines two separate statements from the English wikipedia that I assumed refered to the same thing: 
*"However, it is still used certain parts of the world, particularly in northern Africa." (:en:Ruta)
*"Rue leaves and berries are an important part of the cuisine of Ethiopia and rue is also used as a traditional flavouring in Greece and other Mediterranean countries." (:en:Common rue)
The idea that the Ethiopian rue is actually R. chalepensis comes from Gernot Katzer's site, and it is certainly plausible that the latter wikipedia article is mistaken in assuming that this is "common rue," as both articles seem to be cobbled together from general sources on Rue. (I could do more research if you really want, but it's hardly the least supported statement on la:!) I suppose that in English the only direction that would make me think of Ethiopia specifically would be "Northeast" Africa: East Africa sounds more like Madagascar, Northern like Tunisia. But nevertheless including Ethiopia in "northern" doesn't seem that far off. Still, if it bothers you, perhaps I should phrase that statement more vaguely. Thanks for the corrections. --Iustinus 19:18, 9 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

text: "Northeast" sounds good to me, but a commonly seen phrase is "the Horn of Africa," Cornu Africae. IacobusAmor 20:34, 9 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Habitantne Aethiopes Africam orientalem (non septentrionalem)? 

message: Brockhaus Bilder-Conversations-Lexikon, tomus 3. Lipsiae 1839., p. 632 (hic in interreti)
thread_title: Fons recensionis mense Decembri 2020
Disputatio:Athelstanus (rex Anglorum)

message: What does the TO signify? --Iustinus 21:34, 9 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What we have here is a mixture of Anglo-Saxon and Latin. The to is an Anglo-Saxon preposition, roughly corresponding to Latin ad.
replies: text: :Afterthought: or is it an abbreviation of totius? I don't know if we can be certain either way. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:36, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::I'm no expert on Anglo-Saxon, but totius seems to make more sense than to. --Iustinus 15:40, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

text: He is the first (at least since Roman times) to claim to be king of Britain, and the article wants a couple of sentences giving an explanation of that. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 22:05, 9 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :For what it's worth, my first instinct was that it would be totius, but didn't say anything for want of any knowledge of the guy or the issue whatsoever...--Ioshus (disp) 15:58, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Yes, I think it must be. I have amended the caption. Thanks to both. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:46, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: REX TO BR
Disputatio:Franciscus Borromini

message: Verbum pado, -are, -avi, -atum non est, ergo verbum propado, -are, -avi, -atum non est, quare certe:
replies: text: PROPADANDA recte PROPAGANDA (Anglice: propaganda)
et fere:

text: EXUVVIAS recte EXUVIAS (Anglice: remains).
Ergo:

text: PROPE MORTALES CAROLI MADERNI EXUVIAS (Anglice: near the mortal remains of Carlo Moderno).
Si PROPADANDA et EXUVVIAS in texto originali stant, necesse est ut "[sic]" addamus, non? IacobusAmor 13:56, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
And someone in Rome with access to the original plaque should check to see if PHILLIPINVM isn't rightly PHILIPPINVM. And are the commas in the original? and why are there no spaces after them? IacobusAmor 14:02, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

text: I suspect the commas stand for interpuncts, or maybe line breaks (note the formatting in the ENglish article). --15:37, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Quite possibly, but commas aren't interpuncts. I raise these questions because years of experience as an editor have shown that even the most famous & successful scholars are incapable of accurately copying texts in their own language, much less in other languages: a responsible editor's default mode in response to quotations is skepticism—extreme skepticism. IacobusAmor 15:45, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PROPADANDA, etc.
Disputatio:Tributum progressivum

message: Argentum means silver... tax is vectigal, -is n.--Ioshus (disp) 04:31, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
Also, why is Progressivum capitalized.
And while we're at it, I'm not sure this is the best word... per gradus maybe better.--Ioshus (disp) 04:35, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I knew that Argentum meant money/silver, however I thought it was commonly understood as tax because of Regum IV 15:20 in the Vulgate. I'll change it now. Alexanderr 04:35, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

text: P.S. Why did you delete this from the Oeconomia page? Rolandus told me to do that so it won't be an orphaned page.
I explained why I deleted it in my edit summary. It is not understood from the vulgate. Vectigal per gradus, I would say.--Ioshus (disp) 04:37, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :The last sentence means "Most often, [it] is imposed via tax on income" now can I ask for a literal translation of your revision of my first sentence? I can't understand a word. ;-) Alexanderr 04:58, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::"...is a tax, the rate of which increases as increases the wealth of the peopler in which the tax is imposed." (to tax" is "vectigal imponere")--Ioshus (disp) 05:34, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

text: :Also why is augescere in the future tense indicative tense? Why not the passive present or simply the present (is increased/increases)? Alexanderr 05:28, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Typo.--Ioshus (disp) 05:34, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Bear in mind, I know nothing of roman tax laws, of which there is ample writtenrecord, so there may be a proper name for this already.--Ioshus (disp) 04:45, 11 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  de nomine
Disputatio:Christophorus Benfey

message: Who is this guy?--Ioshus (disp) 15:08, 12 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, well the English wikipedia tends to be a lot nastier about things like this than we are, but I see even they haven't nominated this for deletion, just marked it as sourceless. I am no good at judging who is "notable" enough for wikipedia, but he does get a number of google hits. --Iustinus 15:17, 12 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :I have created Vicipaedia:Gravitas to discuss relevance. --Rolandus 17:08, 12 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: Vcelloho: since this article is short, and I don't want to step on your toes, I'm going to suggest some changes here on the talk page instead of making them myself. 
*The page should be moved to Christophorus Benfey, in accordance with Vicipaedia:Translatio nominum propriorum.
*You may want to put  at the top of the page. That indicates that you want help with your Latin (you may also find that people are nicer about correcting you when you do this ;) )
replies: text: :You will definitely find that people are nicer, if you do this...--Ioshus (disp) 06:42, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
*Magister should probably be professor: even though magister is a more classical word, to many it might suggest a lower level "teacher."
*Saecli, while technically OK, should probably be spelled out the long way, saeculi. Better yet, you could link it: saeculi 14 (though, from the english version of the page, I assume you meant XIX "19", not XIV "14"). Please note that we generally discourage the use of Roman Numerals here (see Vicipaedia:Numeri Romani and links listed there), but many make an exception for the names of centuries.
*Assuming Amherstum is the proper Latin form (you might want to research it), "in Amherst" would be Amhersti (the locative case). But, despite what I have written elsewhere, I think it turns out that verbs of inhabiting normally take an accusative, so Amherstum habitat.
Hope this helps! Good luck with the article. --Iustinus 18:09, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Corrections 

message: The author of this page has done nothing to respond to criticism or suggestion. Anyone want this article or want to improve it?--Ioshus (disp) 21:32, 9 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  delenda 

message: ...in case anyone wants to come rewrite the article.--Ioshus (disp) 05:12, 12 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  i'm leaving this disputatio...
Disputatio:Nationes Unitae

message: *:Gratias ago. (That means "Unio Europaea" should also be moved.) What about "United Nations"? "Consortio nationum"? --Alex1011 12:49, 12 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
*The queen's proclamation above may imply that the best Latin for the United Nations should include a form of Populi (and not of Nationes), perhaps Populi Consociati or Populi Socii. Such a form would have the advantage of including those entities that aren't formally "nations" but still have some sort of official UN recognition and participate in various UN-sponsored activities. IacobusAmor 15:30, 12 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised at how little the United Nations Organization is mentioned in Neo-Latin reference books. It's not in PONS, it's not in Calepinus Novus, it's not in Lexicon Nominum Locorum. Even Morgan only gives:
 628 United Nations: League of Nations Natiônum Societas ,,1) 
 628 United Nations: Security Council consilium securitati tuendae (Egger S.L. 62) 
...which isn't that helpful. I guess the place to look would be the various Nuntii Latini, and Latin periodicals (especially Latinitas, which has a current events section). --Iustinus 16:54, 12 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ephemeris uses "Ordo Nationum Unitarum" and the abbreviation "ONU" (e.g. here), while the Finnish Nuntii Latini just has "Nationes Unitae" (e.g.), as do the Bremenses .  —Myces Tiberinus 14:08, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Etiam Caelestis Eichenseer et Sigrides Albert in Voce Latina simpliciter "secretarium generalem Nationum Unitarum Kofi Annan" habent. --Alex1011 21:35, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: From [[Disputatio:Regnum Unitum]]
Disputatio:Stanislaus Wielgus

message: Wielgus's exposure as a former collaborator with the old regime's secret police has brought a Latin term to life, and maybe it should have an article of its own. From today's Wall Street Journal, p. A13 (boldface addidi):
replies: text: The unintended consequences are rich in irony. Some of the loudest voices in favor of "lustration," from the Latin word for purification through sacrifice, apparently didn't realize ut would bring low not former regime hacks but people from their own ranks; the Communists didn't need informants about themselves. The influential hard-line Catholic Radio Maryja championed lustration, then fast changed its mind when its patron, Wielgus, got into trouble.

text: . . . There is a special "vetting" court to screen public officials (which at times uses neo-Stalinist methods in the cause of de-Stalinization); but most are prosecuted in the newspapers through press leaks from the historical institute that manages the archives. In an angry homily delivered last Sunday at St. John's, Polish Primate Jozef Glemp said: "Today Archbishop Wielgus was judged. Based on what? On scraps of paper, thrice photocopied documents. We don't want these kinds of courts!"

text: The 76-year-old primate is much critized for his defense of Bishop Wielgus. A day later, a younger priest published an op-ed article that said a fresh cadre of Polish priests was ready to take over from the older generation. And so lustration is a weapon for the young—and only those born after 1970 can ever truly be beyond suspicion on this count. Among politicians, the intensity of self-righteous disdain for people who had to make their lives in the past era seems inversely proportional to their age.

text: To doubt the wisdom of cleansing by public lynching is not to endorse moral relativism. Poland could have, but didn't, exclude senior communists from power for a few years. Too little was done to prosecute real crimes or preserve and sort out the archives. The past of anyone who runs for office in a democracy is fair game. Yet Poland, once a model in the region, has long crossed the line from healthy historical examination to post-communist McCarthyism."
The newspaper summarizes Wielgus's career thus: "In agreeing to work with the secret police, Stanlislaw Wielgus's vice wasn't drugs or sex but professional ambition." IacobusAmor 18:22, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wielgus & ''lustratio''
Disputatio MediaWiki:Edittools

message: ANy bright ideas how to do polytonic greek that is actually polytonic? I guess we woudl just have to list every possible combination. --Iustinus 22:56, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please take a look at the German wikipedia: [ pagina experimentalis in vicipaedia theodisca] and change the edittools dropdown box to "Altgriechisch" (Ancient Greek). Are the polytonic letters there? (I am using an old computer and I never see any polytonic characters, therefore I cannot check.) --UV 01:56, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :It does! Your edittools is so much cooler than the English one! --Iustinus 02:09, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

message: ...are the additions to the tool bar. en has recently added one click buttons for redirect, linebreak super/subscript, block text, quote, hidden note, etc...--Ioshus (disp) 06:47, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Disputatio Usoris:Iustinus#Adding buttons to the edit tools --Iustinus 06:53, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thanks, Iustine, I just saw that.--Ioshus (disp) 06:54, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Yes, I just saw you saw that. Oh well. --Iustinus 06:56, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::: See MediaWiki:onlyifediting.js. You may have to force-refresh your browser cache before you see the new buttons. --UV 15:50, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  now what we need... 

message: * :de:MediaWiki:Edittools
* :commons:MediaWiki:Edittools
* :it:MediaWiki:Edittools
--UV 16:32, 28 Maii 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  models