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Disputatio:Principatus Rusae (linea minor)

message: Pace Langenscheidtiis, pro "linea traversa" debemus scribere "linea transversa". Sed haec res est physica, non genealogica. Jüngere Linie significat "linea iunior" aut "stirps iunior". Propono Principatus Rusae Lineae Iunioris. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:10, 10 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Forma nominis dubia est, quod "iunior" ad homines tantum referri solet. Fortasse melius "linea minor" aut "linea recentior". Neander (disputatio) 19:32, 24 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :Per me move! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:30, 24 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :: Movi, quamquam de optima nominis forma dubito. Neander (disputatio) 04:45, 25 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Jüngere Linie
Disputatio:Principatus Rusae (linea maior)

message: Cf. Principatus Rusae Lineae Traversae. Propono Principatus Rusae Lineae Senioris. De genealogia scribimus, non de geometria! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:14, 10 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removi hanc notamSeitenlinee - Linea Traversa, vide Langenscheidt, Taschenwörterbuch Latein quia hic de genealogia, non de geometria, et de ältere/jüngere Linie, non de Seitenlinie, loquimur. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:51, 23 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :: Forma nominis dubia est, quod "senior" ad homines tantum referri solet. Fortasse melius "linea maior" aut "linea antiquior". Neander (disputatio) 19:21, 24 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Per me move! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:29, 24 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: :::: Movi, quamquam de optima nominis forma dubito. Neander (disputatio) 05:16, 25 Iunii 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: De nomine
Disputatio:Thracia

message: Commentatio Bulgarica dat nomen Turcice, Graece, et Latine; Graeca Turcice et Bulgarice; Turcica Graece. Cur habemus nomen Anglicum?--Ioscius (disp) 19:05, 10 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removi. Nomen Anglicum ab initio huius paginae anno 2004 mansit! --UV 23:17, 10 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Gratias, UV. Quomodo dicitur "overzealous" Anglice locutores!--Ioscius (disp) 07:07, 11 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: translatio anglica
Disputatio Formulae:Legifera

message: :It seems legifera was a title of Ceres. I hope all who wear this formula are as useful to mankind as Ceres!
replies: text: But unless we are only aiming at the female ones, I think either legifer (singular) or legiferi (plural) would be better. And maybe Formula:Legifer CFA? Other countries also have legislators, sometimes equally useful. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:10, 12 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Titulus
Disputatio:Kyrgyzstania

message: Non capio orthographias "Chirgisia" et "Kyrgessia", quandoquidem haec terra suis ipsius linguis, Kirgizica atque Russica, Кыргызстан (Kyrgyzstan) et Киргизия (Kirgizia) appellatur. Numquis fontes eorum nominum Latinorum adferre potest? Si minus, scribenda videtur Kirgizia sive Kyrgyzia, aut, si litteram K vitare volumus, Cirgizia seu Cyrgyzia.--Fabullus 12:48, 14 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hic verba "Kirgizistania", "Kirgizia", "Chirgisia", "Cirgisia" sicut versiones Latinae nominis huius terrae data sunt. Quarum optima, opinione mea, est "Kirgizia". Litteram "k" utendam esse puto, quia semper sicut "k" legitur (et "c" ante "e", "i", "y" sic in lingua Latina legitur solum in pronuntiatione classica; "ch" e pronuntiatione illa Latina, quae in Russia certisque aliis terris in usu est, legitur non "к",sed "х" - sicut "χ" Graeca nostri temporis). Et "y" in nomine Latino huius terrae uti nolo, quia in pronuntiatione Latina classica circa sicut Russica "ю" post consonantes (seu "ü" Germanica) et non sicut "ы" legitur.

text: Sed si "Chirgisia" (seu alium verbum) est nomen divulgatissimum (non Vicipaediae gratia) antiquissimumque, illud praeferre debemus, ut puto. -- Alexander Gerascenco 04:18, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Magnas tibi gratias ago! Omnino tecum consentio (et quod dicis de "y" et "ch"). Nusquam in Interrete nisi in Vicipaedia orthographiam "Kyrgessia" inveni. Nomen "Chirgisia" tamen divulgatissimum esse videtur, sed fontem huius orthagraphiae nusquam repperi. Ad tempus igitur nomen "Chirgisia" conservandum videtur. Fortasse paginae redirectionis Kirgizia, Kirgizistania, et Cirgisia creandae sunt. --Fabullus 08:16, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

text: :P.S. In charta Abrahami Ortelii intitulata "RVSSIÆ, MOSCOVIÆ ET TARTARIÆ DESCRIPTIO" anno 1562 edita (quam hic videre possis) incolae "Chirgisiae" Kirgessi appellantur. --Fabullus 09:03, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

text: :P.S.2. Et apud Hofmannum (ca. 1670) invenimus orthographiam Kyrgessi. --Fabullus 09:15, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

text: :P.S.3. Haec omnia et plura, ut modo cognovi, in Victionario inveniri possunt! --Fabullus 09:41, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
Si nomen "Kyrgyzstania" pro hac re publica divulgatior est quam "Chirgisia", nonne praeferendum est ut nomen paginae? -- Alexander Geraščenko (disputatio) 21:24, 22 Aprilis 2018 (UTC)

text: Recte dicis, Alexander. Haesitavi quia fontes paucissimi sunt. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:26, 23 Aprilis 2018 (UTC)

text: Movi, sed usque hodie categoriae respectivae "Chirgisia" (etc.) manebant. Iam volo categorias ad "Kyrgyzstania" (etc.) movere: haec enim orthographia, etsi Latinistis haud formosa sit, fontibus corroboratur et cum nomine nativo civitatis bene consonat. An quis abnuit? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:14, 21 Februarii 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: De orthographia
Disputatio:Sinus Codanus

message: thumb|This map vs. Melas description
Mela says that the Codanus Gulf was "super Albim". This could be interpreted as the de:Helgoländer Bucht (:en:Heligoland Bight). /Petrus Kuiper 15:36, 14 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map
Disputatio:Elephantidae

message: Elephantidae / Proboscidea? -- [Anon]
replies: text: Habemus duae paginae; sic etiam Anglice (:en:Proboscidea, :en:Elephant) et in aliis Wikipediis. Cur non? Apud Proboscidea possumus de speciebus exstinctis disserere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:28, 16 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

message: Why does Elephas redirect to a page named Elephantidae? IacobusAmor 11:34, 18 Martii 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, it's not the way it should be, a lot of animal species are added by various writers, at this moment i'm trying to place them in the right categories, after that i will work out every group the way i did with the marsupials, Hendricus 11:42, 18 Martii 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why does
Disputatio:Testudinata

message: In my feeling a lion has more of a bestia than a testudo, which I'd call an animal. Or is it the same? --Rolandus 06:23, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Problema: Etiam homo animal est. Animal est bestia vel homo vel spiritus vel etiam organizatio (in Latinitate recenti) vel etc. Bestia est bestia. --Alex1011 08:28, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Animal vs bestia

message: Si vocabulo millionis eodem modo utendum est ac milium - de qua re equidem haereo - , fortasse melius sit scribere "annorum ducentAs ... milliones". Bavarese (disputatio) 21:54, 9 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  milliones  

message: Ait Paranaja noster: "Testudinata is a wider group including Testudines." Correct!—and that's why the lemma is Testudinata, not Testudines.. This article links to articles on Testudinata in other wikis, and it differs from our article on Testudines. That said, the text is a mess and needs drastic revision. I've added an accommodation of the first sentence in the English wiki, but much more work needs to be done. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 11:33, 5 Iunii 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Lemma
Disputatio:Lingua Estonica

message: Since Estonian is very similar to Finnish and place names do not have such different endings, I have made this table for the declension of place names in Estonia, based on the one at Lingua Finnica.
Estonice        	Latine 	Exemplum
Haapsalu (-us)  	       	
Loksa (-ae)     	       	
Põltsamaa (-aae)	       	
Otepää (-aae)   	       	
-e              	-e, -is	Lavassaare (-is)
Kiviõli (-orum) 	       	
Nõo (-onis)     	       	
Do any of you agree with this and could you help me with the endings "-õe" and "-äe"? --Harrissimo 14:12, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest you maintain the regularity with -õe, -õis and -äe, -äis. Also (on the basis of Havaii, Havaiiorum) instead of -i, -is, maybe -i, -orum. In Latin, there's nothing unusual about plural placenames, of which the most famous may be Athenae, Athenarum. If the point is to be able to recognize or reconstruct the original from the Latin, the key is to make the system absolutely regular. If you keep -i, -is, then you won't know whether a genitive like Kiviõlis represents an original Kiviõle or Kiviõli, but if the genitive is Kiviõlorum, you know the original must have been Kiviõli and can't have been Kiviõle. IacobusAmor 15:22, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thanks. I was just basing the -i, -is system on Kalevala and the Finnice page, but the -i, -orum outclasses it. --Harrissimo 15:48, 18 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Declension of Estonian place names
Disputatio:Abdera (Thracia)

message: Quemnam, Iohanne, fontem habes talis assertionis? Duo quidem Abderitas, de quibus audivi, Protagoram Democritumque, nemo - ut mihi videtur - stultos appellare ausit. Alios tamen Abderitas nescio. --Fabullus 14:20, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vide http://fleche.org/lutece/dico/dicola.html GiovaneScuola2006 15:39, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stupiditas incolarum

message: Declinatio nominis "Abdera" etiam difficilior est quam nominis "Cyrene". Has tantum formas non ambiguas inveni: 
# Abdera (nom.sg.f.) - Ovid. Ibis 467
# Abdera (acc.pl.n.) - Liv. AUC 45.29.6.4, Mela Chor. 2.95.1, Gell. Noct. Att. 5.3.3.2
# Abderam (acc.sg.f.) - Plin. Nat. Hist. 6.217.5 & 25.94.13
# Abderae? (dat.sg.f.) - Granius Licinianus Annales 35.70.1 (forma reconstructa (!) ab editore N. Criniti, 1981)
--Fabullus 15:23, 17 Augusti 2007 (UTC)</br>
Apud Graecos tamen est nomen neutri generis pluralis numeri secundae declinationis. Hanc ob rem mihi quidem placeat Abdera hac declinatione flecti: Abdera, -orum, -is, -a, -is. --Fabullus 07:47, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Declinatio
Disputatio Categoriae:Auctores Holocausti

message: I'm not sure about that :Categoria:Scelerati homines, Massimo. Since it's still red, I guess you aren't either! There have been rather a lot of them since the Fall. How would we define them, exactly? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:08, 18 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that Alex must have had a similar thought. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:09, 18 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scelerati homines

message: puto ius categoriam criminum contra humanitatem cognoscit, ergo scilicet categoria: Sceleri homines contra humanitatem? --Massimo Macconi 09:27, 18 Augusti 2007 (UTC)aut
replies: text: In vicipaedia Germanica inveni "scelera in bellis commissa" et "scelera contra ius gentium". Generaliter homines scelerati non semper sed nonnumquam difficillimi definitu sunt mea sententia, in primis si ad recientora tempora spectas. Etiam inter nationes hodiernas nonnumquam his in rebus differentiae apparent. --Alex1011 09:38, 18 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Categoriae sicut Damnati pro ... possunt neutrales esse. Categoriae sicut Scelerati ... semper aspectum (point of view) habent, ut credo. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:46, 18 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  crimen contra humanitatem
Disputatio:Dispositor cinematographicus

message: I prefer to use the word "director". I realize why some people would argue against using this word, as a film director is not a military or political leader. However, I feel that "moderator" is too light of a word. To me "moderator" means someone who moderates, or makes sure that things don't go the wrong way. A film director, however, does much more. In most Hollywood filmmaking, he does not simply make sure the film stays on a path, but also decides how a film should be shot, what to include in the film, etc. So I think, both in English and in Latin, "Director" is a better word for this job than "moderator". -Kedemus69.230.73.212 06:34, 19 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

message: Move Moderator cinematographicus to dispositor cinematographicus? The source for dispositor (David Morgan, ) seems better than that for moderator (Some random person, ). -- Secundus Zephyrus 19:41, 15 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An "dispositor cinematographicus" (e.g. hoc fonte) retinendus est? Possumus etiam cum fontibus:

text: *Moderator (hic de Petro Jackson et Mel Gibson), saepissime et in paginis nostris visus

text: *Expositor scaenarum (hic de Romano Polanski)
Si "Dispositor cinematographicus" omnibus placet, categoriam respectivam mox movebo. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:09, 22 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movere
Disputatio:1616

message: An anonymous user with changing IP address (though each time from a certain IP range) keeps inserting a name and a description of a person allegedly born in this year into this page. Problems: The description is not Latin, and when I decided to look around a few weeks ago, neither the English nor the Spanish wikipedia had an article about that person. What about semi-protecting that page, so that only registered users can edit it, but not IPs? --UV 00:02, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again. --UV 22:04, 25 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Since it happend now for the sixth time, I have semi-protected the page. --Amphitrite 19:41, 31 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Out of curiosity I had a look for this person, who does seem to be real (Google MARÍA DE JESUS RUANO or MARÍA RUANO GUTIÉRREZ). Why the anon enthusiast doesn't write a proper article on the Spanish Wikipedia I can't imagine! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:33, 31 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
Was the person allegedly born in 1616 really born in that year? A mystery! IacobusAmor 21:58, 31 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
*I am an administrator of a minor language wikipedia (scn.wiki). We also received such a contribution for 1616. Apparently it is due to a enthousiastic guy that is close to the organization founded by Maria. However in my opinion there is no doubt that Maria existed and born in 1616 ( see here: the monastery founded by her). Greetings :scn:User:Gmelfi --192.33.202.6 07:59, 4 Martii 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  pagina semi-protegenda?
Disputatio:Sanctus Sulpitius (discretiva)

message: Secundum alias Vicipaedias (ut :de:Sulpicius II. von Bourges), sanctus episcopus Biturigum fuit Sulpicius II (mortuus 647) et minime hic Sulpicius I (mortuus 591). An rem pro certam habemus? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:36, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :Vide   LionhardusCiampa 14:39, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :: :de:Sulpicius II. von Bourges dicit "ein Heiliger der katholischen Kirche."  Fuit Sanctus. LionhardusCiampa 14:46, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Optime! Et ille sanctus fuit. Gratias tibi ago. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:03, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hic Sulpicius non fuit sanctus!
Disputatio:Memnon Heracleotes

message: Adiectivum ‘Heracleensis’ tantum invenitur apud Livium cum substantivo ‘ager’. Homines Heracleae nati appellantur ‘Heracleotae’, ut apud Ciceronem ‘Dionysius Heracleotes’, apud Ciceronem et Plinium ‘Zeuxis Heracleotes’, et apud Varronem et Plinium ‘Menander Heracleotes’. Sic Memnon quoque ‘Heracleotes’, non ‘Heracleensis’, appellandus mihi videtur. --Fabullus 20:10, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Credo te recte iudicare. Canon TLG habet "MEMNON; Hist. 1 B.C.-A.D. 1?: fortasse Heracleota" (sic, non -tes) sed id pauci momenti est. Moveamus igitur. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:27, 21 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heracleotes
Disputatio:Provincia Aesernina

message: A grammatical blunder. N.B. Bradley's Arnold, #223:
replies: text: <<"Where a geographical expression, such as 'city,' 'island,' 'promontory,' is defined in English by 'of' with a proper name, apposition is used in Latin. Thus—
replies: text: :Urbs Veii, the city of Veii; insula Cyprus, the island of Cyprus; Athenas, urbem inclutam, the renowned city of Athens.

text: Note 1.—Res with a qualifying adjective is frequently used appositively.
replies: text: :Libertas, res pretiosissima. The precious possession of freedom.

text: Note 2.—Some substantives are very frequently used in apposition and have a markedly adjectival relation to the nouns they accompany.
replies: text: :Cum exercitu tirone. With a newly levied army.

text: :Nemo pictor, no painter; always nemo (never nullus) Romanus, no Roman.>>
Blunders of this type ("Provincia Aeserniae") may occur elsewhere in Vicipædia. Is there a way to search for them? IacobusAmor 12:11, 22 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

text: For articles whose title starts with "Provincia", go to Specialis:Prefixindex/Provincia. --UV 17:35, 23 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Provincia Aeserniae"
Disputatio:Varagine

message: Credo "Varagine" formam ablativam et locativam esse. Auctores Tabulae Peutingerianae locativis utuntur; et nomen Iacobus a Voragine ablativam poscit. Igitur movenda est pagina. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:49, 23 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Varago

message: Credo "Varagine" formam ablativam et locativam esse. Auctores Tabulae Peutingerianae locativis utuntur; et nomen Iacobus a Voragine ablativam poscit. Igitur movenda est pagina. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:49, 23 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Gnaeus Iulius Agricola

message: Apud Plinium minorem locativum Fori Iulii est ForO Iulii: Epistularum libri 5.19.7: 'Qua ex causa destinaui eum mittere in praedia tua, quae Foro Iulii possides.' --Fabullus 09:40, 24 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Locativus Fori Iulii
Disputatio:The New York Times

message: Massimo, I see you've added a couple of new articles for newspapers -- which is great! I also see from the Categoria that sometimes we translate the titles of newspapers and sometimes we don't. Ought we to discuss this and agree on it before many more are added? What do you think? 
Looking now at the interwiki links, it seems that this title is not translated into any other languages. Even the Bulgarian, Russian, Ukrainian, Yiddish, Hebrew and Hindi all say "New York Times" in their own script! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:36, 24 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Ok I agree with you to wait and see what the others think. It's true that other wikis don't translate the names but on en.wiki is always given the english translation of the newspaper name, e.g Le Monde () is a French daily evening newspaper with a circulation in 2004 of 371,803. ciao--Massimo Macconi 09:40, 25 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, just looking at The Times as an example, there is the British paper The Times and the German paper Die Zeit which I'm guessing would both just be Tempora. I think it would be a bit obsessive to translate these names and have to have Tempora (R.B.) and Tempora (Germania). --Harrissimo 11:12, 25 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: :I agree with Massimo that it's very important to give a translation in the first line. But I think I agree with Harrissimo that it's "obsessive" (or anyway, not a good idea!) to use an invented translated name as our title. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:27, 25 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Should be: "The New York Times (Tempora Novieboracensia)" -- adjective not genitive! (I also used that same form at Reginaldus Foster). We can even use the translated name in the body text, but I think the article is kinda obligated to be the vernacular title (at least as we've been applying VP:TNP so far). This should probably generally be the case for periodicals that don't already have a Latin title (which unlike universities, academic bodies, government institutions etc. is bound to be almost none.) --Iustinus 14:04, 25 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation
Disputatio:Vir

message: Not an absolute distinction, but perhaps one worth maintaining:
replies: text: mas, maris = Anglice: male (sexus plantarum et animalium)

text: masculinus, -a, -um = Anglice: masculine (generis grammatici)
At least two dictionaries show that mas, maris tends to refer to the sex of plants & animals, whereas masculinus, though it can be applied to sex, is especially a technical term in grammar, applied in reference to gender. Ergo estne nobis haec distinctio: "sexus est mas; genus est masculinum"? IacobusAmor 12:27, 24 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mas ~ masculinus
Disputatio:Sibilus

message: Pro "podex apertus collis" (Anglice "Open anus. Hill.") scripsi "collis clunium nudorum" (Anglice "bare-arse hill") secundum Vicipaediam Theodiscam.
Syntaxis sententiae ultimae "inter Eggenwilem Vallis Emmon communem et Entlis Saltus Rivom Finis" mihi obscura est. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:41, 24 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not least because this communem is an impossible form (the noun commune being neuter). IacobusAmor 13:11, 24 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrigenda?
Disputatio:Iulia Domna

message: Re: "Anno 217 Iulia Domna cum Caracalla in expeditione contra Parthos profecta est. Ibi, imperatore a militibus interfecto, illa vim sibi intulit."—Ubi est "ibi"? IacobusAmor 12:58, 24 Augusti 2007 (UTC)
"Ibi" rectus est. 
--72.214.13.190 15:37, 11 Novembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Certe forsan dicis, sed quastionem non respondes... Ubi in orbe est "ibi"?--Xaverius 17:21, 11 Novembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ubi est "ibi"?