Disputatio:Depressio (geographia)

message: Cavum? Depressio? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:45, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Et fundus et solum et infima res et ima res (e.g., imum mare 'bottom of the sea')! IacobusAmor 13:49, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::: Fundus might be good, indeed. Other possibilities: locus demissus (cf. Caes.B.C. 3,49,5 loca demissa ac palustria) or locus deiectus (cf. Caes.B.C. 1,46,3 deiectis atque inferioribus locis). --Neander 19:16, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)

text: :If no sources are found, we might end up with imum -- oddly enough, the precise logical opposite of summum. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:17, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :: Just another "ringum" case, again, this time "sumpa" from :en:Sump. Methinks this stipulula is on the verge of . --Neander 16:06, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Is it feminine in German?--Ioscius  ∞ 18:13, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::: Nein! Sumpf ist ein Maskulinum. Given the obvious tendency, besonders among Anglophones (I regret to say), to neoterise Latin words from one's mother tongue, a self-confident German could propose "sumpfus". :-) --Neander 18:45, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)

text: :::The funny thing is that :en:Sump doesn't mention this geographical sense. The corresponding article seems to be en:Depression (geology). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:34, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)
I never intended sumpa to be a permanent name, I just couldn't find a right Latin word at the time so used the English one. I like Mr. Dalby's opposition of imum and summum, but if we're going to rename the latter anyway (culmen may be best) we need something else. Depressio is not too classical, but is probably most consistent with geological use; nevertheless, it describes a _feature_ and not the _concept_ of lowest point. Cauus and fundus are too ambiguous, certainly. Pantocrator 22:32, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)

text: I'd recomend asking in the taberna before writing a page under a title which is not meant to be pernament, Patocrator. I reckon this way of yours is rather un-helpful, if I may say.--Xaverius 22:49, 18 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Or making just a disputatio before the actual page. That's certainly a possibility. You could just make Disputatio:Sump, hash it out there, and not have a ridiculous lemma like sumpa in the mainspace. But of course, we've asked you about this before (asking questions before making bold actions) to little avail. --Ioscius  ∞ 10:31, 20 Martii 2010 (UTC)
===tandem aliquando===
This name has been in the name space for an embarrassing 3 weeks already. The best suggestions were:

text: fundus

text: imum

text: locus demissus

text: locus deiectus
How have the ayes? --Ioscius  ∞ 12:25, 4 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)

text: I think I would go for Fundus (geographia). It has to be distinguished from fundus meaning a farm (and possibly other meanings). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:36, 4 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :The Latin term for English 'depression', whatever it is, must be an exceedingly general one, as (according to :en:) it must cover all these senses: basin, blowout, graben, impact crater, pit crater, kettle, area of subsidence, region of tectonic downwarping, valley, oceanic trench, pothole. Has some Latin-writing geologist somewhere perhaps used the term depressio? ¶ A danger with fundus is that it might refer most particularly to what in English we call a 'bottom' (or 'bottomland')—a specific sort of depression. IacobusAmor 14:32, 4 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :: I suggest that a new article on Depressio (geographia) be created from scratch. (On depressio as a geographical term, see e.g. this (search for "depressio").) What speaks against redirection is that we'll need this title, when it comes to creating an article on en:Sumpa. --Neander 14:48, 4 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Taking these points, I am moving the current page to Depressio (geographia) and we'll see how it looks. If it is later necessary to delete Sumpa, or to rewrite it with a different meaning, that's no problem. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:18, 6 Iunii 2010 (UTC)
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message: This name has been in the name space for an embarrassing 3 weeks already. The best suggestions were:
replies: text: fundus

text: imum

text: locus demissus

text: locus deiectus
How have the ayes? --Ioscius  ∞ 12:25, 4 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)

text: I think I would go for Fundus (geographia). It has to be distinguished from fundus meaning a farm (and possibly other meanings). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:36, 4 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :The Latin term for English 'depression', whatever it is, must be an exceedingly general one, as (according to :en:) it must cover all these senses: basin, blowout, graben, impact crater, pit crater, kettle, area of subsidence, region of tectonic downwarping, valley, oceanic trench, pothole. Has some Latin-writing geologist somewhere perhaps used the term depressio? ¶ A danger with fundus is that it might refer most particularly to what in English we call a 'bottom' (or 'bottomland')—a specific sort of depression. IacobusAmor 14:32, 4 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :: I suggest that a new article on Depressio (geographia) be created from scratch. (On depressio as a geographical term, see e.g. this (search for "depressio").) What speaks against redirection is that we'll need this title, when it comes to creating an article on en:Sumpa. --Neander 14:48, 4 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Taking these points, I am moving the current page to Depressio (geographia) and we'll see how it looks. If it is later necessary to delete Sumpa, or to rewrite it with a different meaning, that's no problem. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:18, 6 Iunii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: tandem aliquando