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Disputatio:Alseides

message: According to en:wiki, only one Greek author mentions these and he does not use the term Alseid. In other words, "Alseids" is a modern invention: whose, I don't know, because the list of nymphs at :en:Nymph is not sourced. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:07, 23 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, what en.wiki actually says is that Homer is the only poet in the classical writers to mention them—but this in fact is not even true; Liddell & Scott do have ἀλσηίς, and cite Apollonius of Rhodes ("τὴν δὲ καὶ αὐταὶ / νύμφαι ἀποφθιμένην ἀλσηίδες ὠδύραντο" — Seaton translates "Her death even the nymphs of the grove bewailed").  Apollonius is third-century BC—a bit late for "classical" Greek but not exactly what we might call modern ;) Mooney's commentary does say it is ἅπ. λεγ. I suppose the question is whether ἀλσηίδες νύμφαι is a fixed name or a one-off descriptor; but apparently mythographers have settled on the former, e.g. . —Mucius Tever 16:53, 27 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thanks very much for verifying, Mucius. I guess I was made unnecessarily suspicious by the long, unsourced catalogue of nymphs at :en:Nymph, and therefore took the negative implication at :en:Alseides at face value. I should have checked for myself! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:34, 27 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Nunc Apollonium citavi. Sed in hoc lexico "nemorenses (Nymphae)" redditur. Estne pagina ad Nymphae nemorenses movenda? Vel fortasse contribuenda cum Dryadibus; vide hoc. Lesgles (disputatio) 18:47, 18 Iulii 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delenda?
Disputatio:Taygeta (systema stellare)

message: :Systema stellare videtur alterum systema solare designare. Fortasse, systema stellarum (Anglice 'system of stars') melior est? Pantocrator 22:59, 23 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Incertus sum. Anglice dicunt "star system or stellar system" (vide :en:star system), i.e. systema in quo vel duae vel plures stellae sibi circumvolvunt. Id volui Latine vertere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:24, 24 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Latina nomen adiectivum saepe adhibet ubi Anglica nomen obiectivum ('star system') vel nomen substantivum quasi in casu genetivo ('system of stars') anteponit; exempli gratia, civis Romanus 'citizen of Rome' est locutio omnino emendata, sed civis Romae est locutio falsa. Ergo fortasse stellae geminatae 'star system of two stars', stellae triplices/triplae 'star system of three stars', &c. IacobusAmor 13:33, 24 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Tractatus theologico-politicus

message: Superstitio ? Fide caeca? How do we translate?--Jondel 07:27, 24 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the phrase "fides caeca" exists. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:37, 24 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Nice to get confirmations! But I wouldn't be surprised to find Blind faith as the translation for "Superstitio" in a Loeb book (or other classics).--Jondel 00:23, 25 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::My impression of "superstitio" is that it's really more the things one believes that aren't strictly part of one's religion—at any rate a result of blind faith, but not the thing itself.    —Mucius Tever 05:41, 26 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Blind faith
Disputatio:Morehu

message: Usor:Pantocrator hanc formulam imposuit: {{delete|doesn't exist on English; non stipula}}. Fortasse recte. De ecclesia Ratana possumus paginam creare (cf. :en:Te Haahi Ratana); sed an hoc verbum "morehu" potest definitionem tantum praebere, vel plura, non liquet. Si definitionem tantum, pagina vel delenda vel ad Victionarium movenda est. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:21, 24 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utile?
Disputatio:Pumilio rubra

message: Scitne quis cur habemus pumilionem rubram nec rubrum? --Ioscius∞ 16:29, 25 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Etiam habemus Pumilio alba, Pumilio fusca, Pumilio flava. Cassell's nomen pumilionis esse generis communis dicit. IacobusAmor 17:30, 25 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Aha, quod quoque confirmat L&S. Traupvir habet masculinum tantum. Si nomen antecedens est stella, sane sit pumilio feminina. Gratias, Iacobe! --Ioscius∞ 22:52, 25 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: de genere
Disputatio:Gorilla

message: A "trinomial name" belongs to a subspecies, so the article at present lists three of these, not three species. I've adjusted the wording accordingly. We aren't in agreement with en:wiki, which currently thinks there are two species, but clearly there is debate on this issue: ITIS lists only one species. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:23, 26 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species/subspecies
Disputatio:Docodonta

message: I actually have little idea about how e.g. Linnæus employed the new word mammalium. Did he write "ordo mammaliorum"; or did he treat "mammalius" as an adjective in such contexts?? Georgius B 18:55, 26 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Salve Gregori! I'm not sure myself, having never read Linnaeus ipsissimus, but mammal is a singular neuter noun, the genitive plural of which would definitely be mammalium so ordo mammalium is already just fine grammatically! --Ioscius∞ 19:05, 26 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: de forma
Disputatio:Via succinea

message: [Transscripsi e Vicipaedia:Taberna --Fabullus 12:04, 28 Februarii 2010 (UTC)]
Omnibus salutem,
opem rogo rursus conversione cuiusdem viae, id est viae commercialis, quae porrigitur ab Italia usque ad Europam borealem. (:hu:Borostyánút; :en:Amber_Road; :de:Bernsteinstraße). Nomen eius imponebat a succino sucino , nam per eam portabat illud. Solum in dictionario succinum sucinum inveniebam, sed non hanc viam. Ideo exgogitavi succinum adiectivum facere, id est succinus 3 sucinus 3. Sic exgotavi Viam Succinam Viam Sucinam. Peto, si inveniebatur melior, huc scribere.
--Martinus567 17:49, 11 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Melius scribas sucinum,-i (< sucus) et sucinus 3 (inde: Via Sucina). Saepe (saepius?) pro sucino ēlectrum, ī, n. (ἤλεκτρον, adi.: electrus 3, semel etiam: electrifer 3) invenitur. Sucinus 3 legitur Plin. 22, 99 (sucina novacula), Mart. 4, 59, 2 (gemma), Mart. 6, 15, 2 (gutta)--
Utilo 20:51, 11 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Vix melior invenietur quam Via sucina (cum u longa). Alter Martinus \\Neander 20:57, 11 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)\\
replies: text: ::Mea sententia Via sucina est via e sucino facta. Problema simile attigit id quod Anglice Silk Road et Theodisce Seidenstraße appellatur. Diu mecum deliberatus constitui hanc non Viam Sericam - quae significaret aut Via e serico facta (quod non!) aut Via ad Seres ferens (non tam malum!) -, sed potius Viam Sericariam vertendam esse (sericarius = quod ad sericum respicit), secundum exemplum Viae Salariae, i.e. via salis transportandi (vide etiam disputationem). Hoc etiam exemplum secuti "Amber Road"/"Bernsteinstraße" vertere possemus Viam Sucinariam, dummmodo ne sucinarius neologismus esset. --Fabullus 09:20, 12 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::: Profecto haec haud invita Minerva excogitasti! Equidem protinus Viam Sucinariam acceperim, nam formulá usitatá composita est. Quamquam nusquam testatum esse videtur verbum sucinarii, est penuria fortuita, quae "fingere nolendi" regulá eximi debeat. --Neander 12:13, 12 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::: Salvete omnes, etiam ego inveniebam "sucinum" in vocabulario, sed tum in Vicipaedia hoc nomine non positum est, solum cum duo litterris 'c' , id est 'succinum'.Sed te recte dicere credo, sic sit sucinum. Neander Fabulleque, tum sit magis Via Sucinaria! --Martinus567 17:05, 12 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::: Licet vox sucinarii (vel succ-) in litteris classicis non inveniatur, utuntur eá auctores Latini Undevicesimi *Duodevicesimi* Saeculi: vide hic et alibi. Credo igitur Viam Sucinariam illam "fingere nolendi" regulam non fracturam esse. Ceterum cur, Neander, hoc sucin- illo succin- anteponis? --Fabullus 17:38, 12 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::: Antepono, quia ab editoribus (Plinii, Martialis, cett.) anteponi videtur. --Neander 19:49, 12 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::: Lemma succinum ad sucinum movi. Uterque Martine, vale! --Fabullus 08:12, 13 Ianuarii 2010 (UTC)
[Finis partis transscriptae. --Fabullus 12:04, 28 Februarii 2010 (UTC)]
thread_title:  Conversio bona?
Disputatio:Ulviatium

message: * Quo ex fonte sunt nominis formae "Ulviate" / "Ulbiate"? 
* Quo ex fonte etymologia (quae ad Olgiate, non Ulviate, pertinere videtur) sumpta est? Olla etymon incredibile mihi quidem videtur. --Neander 22:07, 28 Februarii 2010 (UTC)
** Salve Neander! Uliviate ex Ulvius vel Ulbius, quod nomen personalis latinum verisimile est. Fons probabilis in hoc situm est: Comuni Italiani --Nuada 18:52, 2 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: : Velim, sodes, etiam has res respicias. Ea quam indicasti pagina videtur "Ulvium" aut "Ulbium" praebere ut fontem nominis Olgiate, non nominis "Ulviate". Haec etymologia perquam incerta et opinabilis videtur, ut apparet etiam in eo, quod sequitur: "Altri lo ritengono...". Equidem credo hanc alteram etymologiam multo credibiliorem esse, quamquam de "aucia" / "augia" dubito, nam olca (verbum antiquorum Gallorum) apud Französisches Etymologisches Wörterbuch (a Walther von Wartburg compositum) praebetur, quod vocabulum 'solum arabile' (vel sine dubio accuratius 'terra arativa cinta da fossati e siepi') ex permultis locis excerptum est. Nisi potes fontem aut libentius textum indicare, in quo "Ulviate" reperitur, suadeo, ut hoc lemma in Olgiate mutes, quod nomen Latine scriptum reperitur. --Neander 19:40, 2 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duae quaestiunculae
Disputatio:Index regum Angliae

message: Nomen "Index monarchae Angliae" muta. Reges et Reginae Angliam duxerunt.
Sorry that I have to use the imperative for muto. Don't know how to say "should change"--Personak 04:44, 2 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen-Commutatio
Disputatio Categoriae:Artes martiales

message: to fight hand to hand is in Latin pugnare comminus. How to translate into Latin hand-to-hand fighting? Is comminor an adjective derived from the adverb comminus? --08:48, 4 Martii 2010 Usor:212.182.71.98
replies: text: Hello usor anonymus. You seem to be asking two questions. pugnare comminus looks good to me, but maybe pugilare would be even better? On second thought, maybe that's redundant.

text: Your second questions I don't understand well. comminor is not an adjective but a verb (at least I can't find it as an adjective) related to minor. Given that minor means "threaten" and comminus means "hand-to-hand", I don't see an immediate relation. Rather it would seem that comminus stems from manus with a vowel reduction due to prefixation, literally "together handedly".

text: --Ioscius∞ 09:05, 4 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Not sure whether this helps with an answer, but: comminus being a one-off adverb formed by compounding, it isn't possible to form an adjective from it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:00, 4 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Perhaps one should not translate 'fight hand to hand' as a noun (hand-to-hand fighting). What's idiomatic in Latin (and other languages) doesn't always match the syntax of English. When you look up a noun in an English-Latin dictionary (like Cassell's), you'll sometimes find only the suggestion "translate as verb." ¶ As has been said, comminor is a verb, derived from minor 'I project, threaten, menace'; comminus, however, according to Cassell's, is related to manus 'hand'. IacobusAmor 12:54, 4 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hand-to-hand fighting?
Disputatio:Mensurae Anglicae

message: Pantocrator, were you going for :en:English units or :en:Imperial units? --Ioscius∞ 14:46, 2 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both. Few wikis have separate articles on the two, and they're logically one. Why did you remove my comment about their being derived from ancient Roman measures? That's the most important thing for our purposes. Pantocrator 23:13, 4 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Actually that was a careless mistake. I should put it back and say more about it. I got a little confused that day both by la: and en: and the circle of links from one to another. En: is terribly confused and terribly sparse on the subject of Roman measurements and I got caught up in their mess. I saw there were two articles, and I just waited until I heard from you to go any further with it.

text: :Would it hurt to have two articles?--Ioscius∞ 23:24, 4 Martii 2010 (UTC)
I restored Pantocrator's information about the derivation  from  Roman measures, which is surely true, isn't it? An anonymous is calling them Anglosaxon, but that's wrong, I think. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:45, 21 Aprilis 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: English or Imperial?
Disputatio:Valentiane

message: Excuse my ignorance, but is there a political reason for preferring valentiane to catalane? --Ioscius∞ 10:24, 4 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you just hit the nail there. Check the Spanish Wiki; "Valencian" is the official name of Catalan in the region of Valencia, appart from being one of the main dialects of EasternWestern Catalan. Plus there is a very politicised debate between "Valenciantists" and "Pancatalanists" about this, the former even claiming that Valencian is completely unrelated to Catalan at all. --Xaverius 11:10, 4 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Aha, well what should we do about it, Xavi, if anything? --Ioscius  ∞ 09:42, 8 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Linguistically, it is correcto to leave this redirect. It may not however, be PC to leave it. I'd personally make a page to Lingua Valentiana, making clear that it is only the traditional name of Catalan in the region of Valencia, and thus include the main Valencian dialects of Catalan there.--Xaverius 10:38, 8 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: politics
Disputatio:Tela totius terrae

message: Anonymous added these examples (under the extremely dubious heading of exempli). I have no idea of the source of fritinnandum for Twitter (I would have used Pipilans, a twittering), and liber oris for Facebook: really? Book of the mouth? Surely Liber Vultuum? --Robert.Baruch 16:44, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have always used vultuum liber myself, though I haven't seen it published. As for twitter, I remember reading somewhere that joke, what do you call someone who uses twitter? a twat! which would, of course, lead us down an entirely different direction. --Ioscius∞ 16:52, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)

text: this suggests liber vultum it might have appeared in Ephemeris. --Ioscius∞ 16:57, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)

text: Eh, a google site search turns up nothing at ephemeris. --Ioscius∞ 17:02, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :According to Cassell's, vultus is the expression (appearance, countenance) of the face, but facies is the shape or form of it. So since a facebook would seem to be a book of shapes, rather than a book of expressions, perhaps something with facies would be better. IacobusAmor 18:36, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Perhaps more apt would be Liber Personarum. It isn't a book of faces or shapes, but rather of what its users would show to the world, i.e. their mask... --Robert.Baruch 23:23, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::That could be a pertinent point, except that the name of the internet entity intentionally duplicates the name of an actual, physical book, containing hardly more than the photos & names of the first-year students at Harvard, where the founders of Facebook were students, who knew from firsthand experience that a facebook is a book of faces. IacobusAmor 00:19, 6 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::I somewhere found it as "Liber Prosopographicus"--Xaverius 00:30, 6 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Exempla "Twitter" et "Facebook"
Disputatio:Vedingius

message: Si attestatur nomen Latinum huius oppidi, curnam hanc commentationem habemus sub titulo Germanico? --Ioscius∞ 22:24, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Quoad scio attestationem nominis Vedingii non habemus. Quare sub nomine vulgari pagina scriptum est. --Alex1011 22:52, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Cur ergo habemus hanc redirectionem? Googles ope video nos tantum habere verbum vedingius quasi locum et tres alias vicipaedias scilicet nos imitantes. Etiam tres personae Vedingii enumerantur. --Ioscius∞ 23:25, 5 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Puto Irenaeum olim Vedingium introduxisse antequam regulam habuimus nominibis Latinis non utere nisi attestatis. --Alex1011 17:35, 6 Martii 2010 (UTC)

text: ::der Wedding -> fundus Vedingius (masc.). --Alex1011 11:33, 7 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: nomen latinum
Disputatio:4chan

message: This is 4chan we're talking about.... wouldn't it be a good idea to semi-protect this page? --Robert.Baruch 01:57, 6 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should we? As far as I can read through the vague Latin and the obscure terminology, it is just a website. --Xaverius 11:10, 6 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :It's true that the English Wikipedia gets frequently vandalized by 4chan users, but most of the other wikipedias haven't protected the article either, so I'd rather wait with protecting until this page gets vandalized for the first time, to give IPs and new users a chance to contribute constructivly. --Aylin 11:50, 6 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::OK. I just sort of imagined Anonymous descending upon the page and pig-Latinizing it or something. --Robert.Baruch 00:32, 7 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protecta
Disputatio:Xbox

message: The declension seems dubious to me. Xbox is a proper (and trademarked) name. Pantocrator 02:54, 7 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that can't stay. --Ioscius  ∞ 07:30, 7 Martii 2010 (UTC)

text: Both xbocis and xbogis seem to be inventions of the same guy. I will look, but I doubt the something worthwhile has been published in Latin. --Ioscius  ∞ 07:31, 7 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :People! people! 'Box' is merely the English pronunciation of Latin buxus (via Late Latin buxis). IacobusAmor 13:09, 7 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Good day. To mention how the Latin name of Xbox would be, would it be Xbuxus or/and Xbuxis? Or Exbuxus or/and Exbuxis?

text: ::Donatello (disputatio) 16:44, 18 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC).
thread_title: declension
Disputatio:Paulus Teleki

message: Creatori salutem!
Nomen Latinum de Pál Paulus est. Non intellego, qua de causa non utere nomine Latino, quod sic facilius verbum declinare potest. Quid sentis? --Martinus567 17:32, 7 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Recte admonuisti, pagina mota est. --Gabriel Svoboda 18:12, 7 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen Latinum de Pál
Disputatio:Psychotropicum

message: Salve CeleritasSoni! Legi hanc emmendationem tuam et rogare velim te et alios num emendatio bono fuerit. Non invenio citationes huius constructionis (facere effectus in...) apud auctores classicos, sed nihilominus puto accusativum meliorem esse ablativo. Mea sententia accusativus valet ac Anglice "have an effect on", ablativus immo "have effects in". Illud quidem volui. Quid putas(putatis)? --Ioscius  ∞ 07:24, 8 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nescio, sed 'have an effect on' = 'affect' ~ 'influence' = adficere, tangere, (com)movere'. IacobusAmor 12:48, 8 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: effectus
Disputatio:House, M.D.

message: Somewhere (Bradley's Arnold?) I've read never to string adjectives together without interruptions between them. In series televisifica medica Americana we've got three adjectives in a row. How to break them up? If the problem of Americana can be eliminated with in Civitatibus Foederatis, what can be done with medica? de rebus medicinis? IacobusAmor 20:43, 9 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple adjectives
Disputatio:Gas ideale

message: Vocabulary:
replies: text: 1. This modela (translating English 'model'?) looks feminine, but later in the text you've made it neuter (hoc modela), and its apparent Latin sources are masculine: modellus < modulus < modus. So which is it? But more to the point: is there an apter word?

text: 2. This approximare isn't classical (maybe it's OK in modern scientific contexts?). English 'to approximate' = 'to  get near a point aimed at' = (prope) accedere (ad) and appropinquare (ad) or appropinquare + dative.
Grammar: the syntax is incomplete.

text: Momentarily ignoring the vocabulary: Gas ideale in physica est modela quae approximans gas verum. = 'Ideal gas in physics is a model that true gas approaching.' Do you see the problem?
Word-order:

text: Momentarily ignoring the vocabulary: quae approximans gas verum 'which true gas approaching'; quae gas verum approximans 'which approaching true gas'. Latin verbs tend to want to go at the end.
HTH. IacobusAmor 19:33, 10 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: De definitione lemmatis
Disputatio:Artes martiales

message: Secundum Cassell's, Anglicum nomen adiectivum 'martial' Latine est militaris et bellicosus, et Latinum nomen adiectivum martialis Anglice est 'of Mars'. Secundum White's, Anglicum nomen adiectivum martial Latine est martius, bellicosus, militaris, et bellicus, et Latinum  nomen adiectivum martialis est 'of, or belonging to, Mars; sacred to Mars; in honour of, or dedicated to, Mars; named after, or bearing the name of, Mars'. Quando Mavortem didicerunt Coreani (tangsudo, thequondo) et Iaponienses (karate, ziudo, ziuziutum)?  IacobusAmor 13:17, 11 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Tempus ad actionem fortasse? Iacobi admonitio recta videtur et si nemo quod dicat, amica Googles loqui potest:artibus bellicis - 134 proventusartibus militaribus - 61 proventusartibus bellicosis - 1 proventusartibus martiis - 0 proventus --Gabriel Svoboda 15:56, 15 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Artes martiales'' ex Anglico 'martial arts'?
Disputatio:Translatio cordis

message: Velim dicere: operation "is done". "fit" mihi videtur "to become" aut mutare sed significationem "is done" includere scio. Punctum removere oblivisci antequam. Mihi licet ita removere et alteras reddere. --Jondel 07:00, 13 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Quid est facitur, hoc verbum arcanum? Anglicum 'To become' = 'To be made (as, into)'. Latinum verbum fieri = 'to be made, to be done'. "The whole Verb [fieri] in  the Present-stem is treated as the Passive to faciō, I make. The rest of the Passive is formed regularly from faciō" (Gildersleeve & Lodge, #173). IacobusAmor 11:56, 13 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Bene. Concedo.--Jondel 08:01, 14 Martii 2010 (UTC)

text: :Nescio bene de arcano sed ecce iam aevo interetilis sumus et hoc invenio ubi est verbum "facitur" ex octo saeculo (mihi inter alia exempla plurima aperire debet ).--Jondel 08:38, 14 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: fit vs facitur
Disputatio:America Septentrionalis

message: Believe it or not, this wasn't nationalist vandalism (or if it was, Myces, step forward!) But who first called it "America Mexicana"? I think we'd like a reference if possible ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:25, 14 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ecce --24.107.235.195 10:14, 14 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Gratias ago! Citationem addidi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:24, 14 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  America Mexicana
Disputatio:Franciscus Buchanan

message: Do you have a source on that? If so, that's fine; but one wonders whether the less unusual order might be better: Mercatilis Indiarum Orientalium Societas Britannica, the model being Bradley's Arnold's vera animi magnitudo 'true greatness of mind' = adj. + genitive + nominative (which would put societas last, then to be distinguished from other such societies [e.g., perhaps, Lusitana] by a concluding Britannica). IacobusAmor 19:11, 14 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Vera animi magnitudo" is nice, but is the adjective serving the same function as in "Societas Mercatilis"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:49, 14 Martii 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Yes: 'true greatness' ~ 'mercantile society'. But one wonders why it's a newfangled word, like mercatilis, instead of a classical one, like mercatorius. You must have an attestation up your sleeve! IacobusAmor 20:37, 14 Martii 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Societas Indiarum Orientalium Mercatilis Britannica