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Disputatio:Miserando atque eligendo

message: :NB: Disputatio a Disputatio:Franciscus (papa) hic mota. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:26, 15 Martii 2013 (UTC)
The Dish, a US-based blog, is quoting this as a "tweet of the hour":
replies: text: @roccopalmo “miserando atque eligendo” (lowly, and yet chosen) was his episcopal motto

text: — Jeffrey Pinyan (@PrayingTheMass) March 13, 2013
Would someone explain how we get this translation out of words that look as if they mean something more like 'by commiserating and choosing'? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:51, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :No, it's a bad translation. The source of the text is explained here (scroll to bottom). It's from Bede, Homilies 21. Bede was not a classical writer. My impression (from the Spanish explanation) is that Bede was using these as participles, and meant "pitying him and choosing him" [just as you say]. The subject is Jesus, and the object is the publican to whom Jesus said "Follow me". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:50, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)

text: Bede's text (containing "miserando atque eligendo") can be found here: . --UV (disputatio) 22:42, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ah, OK. The Spanish reads y lo vio con misericordia y eligiéndolo, which might be glossed 'and he looked at him with pity/sympathy and singling/picking him out'. (Noster Xaverius can help us out as necessary.) So the eligendo is a bit more nuanced than 'by choosing'. The tweet seems to imply that the choosing refers to the new pope himself. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 01:38, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::He wasn't pope when he chose the motto. I suppose that he regarded himself as among those who are parallel to the publican, and therefore as the target, or one of the targets, both of the pitying and of the choosing. So I see why the English translation in the tweet is so expressed, but I still don't think highly of it. It would be rather presumptuous to describe oneself as "chosen" (though Bergoglio has been chosen now and he can't get away from that!) The gerunds are active, their subject is Jesus, and they are present, not past. The pitying and the choosing are current processes, I think ... If we can be confident of it, we can do an article about the phrase.

text: ::I feel sure Bede's Homilies have been translated into English, but I haven't yet found an English translation online. UV's link above to the Latin text makes this Homily 22 (not 21 as I said). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:01, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Haec disputatio barbaris omnibus, neque anglophonis tantum, convenit :) Commentationem incipio de ea sententia: videte (mox) Miserando atque eligendo. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:51, 15 Martii 2013 (UTC)

text: The Vatican has now put online an explanation of the motto:  --UV (disputatio) 22:15, 18 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 
English-speakers
: what does his motto mean?

message: ... :en:Talk:Pope Francis/Archive 2#Miserando atque eligendo (His Motto). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:34, 15 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vide etiam
Disputatio:Phre

message: Ave. Demiro de nomine di. Fortasse vitium est, sed commentatio appellatur Phre, dum textus dicit Phra. Quomodo esse oportet? Fons ad nomen Phra/Phre habere necesse est. Donatello (disputatio) 01:58, 19 Martii 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: Signum hic utile est . IacobusAmor (disputatio) 10:25, 19 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen

message: Cur in nomen antiquum impellit momentum linguarum aevorum recentiorum, etiam linguae Arabicae? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 10:25, 19 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: De "[[Lingua Arabica|Arabice]] رع"
Disputatio:Index abbreviationum Latinarum

message: Novas res removi quia
# explicationes Anglicas habuerunt
# e fonte singulari ut videtur hausae sunt
# in ordine alphabetico nostro non insertae sunt
Si usor anonymus hic vult propositum suum evolvere, pro certo licet. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:00, 19 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removi 

message: I'm to lazy to correct this, so I'm just leaving a note:
Abbreviations are spelled with a space after dots, better with a small non-breaking space. So it's rather like "e. g." instead of English "e.g." or "eg".Maybe as an addition: Even in English abbreviations are or at least were spelled with dots and spaces, like "A. D." in older English books. —80.133.99.105 20:41, 24 Augusti 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a point on which English style has been changing so fast that the rules cited above seem quaint. Through the 1980s & 1990s, the Chicago Manual of Style used to insist on the periods (and no space!) in the adjective U.S. but has recently begun to allow US. Likewise, Ph.D. (lacking a space for decades!) is becoming PhD. Wholly lowercased abbreviations (e.g. and i.e. and such) have long since abandoned the space, but they're retaining their periods, for now. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 11:20, 25 Augusti 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling
Disputatio:Pistolium

message: Ave. Quid censetis vocabulum optimum in lingua Latina pro pistol? In commentatione, iam tria sunt. Scire bene esset quid normaliter adhibendum. In commentatione Pistol apud Vicipaediam Anglicam dictum est de etymologia verbi Anglici pistol. Libenter vide. Censeo vocabulum "manuballistula" aptius est. Ballista parva in manu uti. "Sclopetulum" eius significationem nescio, sed etiam parve ab aliquid. Donatello (disputatio) 16:02, 20 Martii 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: Morgan est noster amicus:
replies: text: :.wpn gun / Geschütz: machina ignivoma [s.18] -- Flinte: focîle, is n. [Eichenseer]; flinta* [s.18] -- Gewehr: sclopêtum [DuCange; s.17] (Helf.) ]] manuballista ignivoma, pyroballista (LRL) ]] ignifera ballista (Ciar.) ]] (cannon) tormentum (bellicum) ignivomum; ballista ignivoma; (rifle) manuballista ignivoma; (pistol) manuballistula ignivoma, sclopetum; -ner ballistarius; -nery ars tormentorum (Lev.) ]] sclopus, sclopetus (Milton)

text: Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary nobis dicit pistol verbum Anglicum deduci a pistole in lingua Francico Mediaevali a quodam verbo in lingua Theodisca a pischulle in quadam Mediae Theodiscae Altae dialecto a pištal 'fumisugium' in lingua Bohemica, cum pischal 'arquebusum' verbo in lingua Russica cognato. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:29, 20 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Bellum Malvinense

message: Anonymus quis ad "Bellum Malvinaense" exemplar geminatum huius commentationis imposuit. Non nobis necesse est verbi "Malvinaensis" quia Latine habemus "Malvinensis". Fortasse ad "Bellum Malvinense" movere licet: fontem enim huius nominis habemus. An fontem habemus "Belli Falklandensis"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:04, 22 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Habemus. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 11:22, 22 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Gratias tibi ago. Ei, quos usque adhuc citavisti, sunt fontes (utiles!) adiectivi "Falklandensis -e", sed non coniunctionis "Bellum Falklandense". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:24, 22 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  De nomine
Disputatio:Game of Thrones

message: Salve. Dicendum omnes primas personas addidi cum eorum actoribus et actricibus. Libenter liber te sentis creare et recensere commentationes.
Donatello (disputatio) 03:31, 23 Martii 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: Bene fecisti! Notabam autem in paginis de personis tantum seriem televisificam nominatam esse: nonne scribere oportet personas illas etiam (et prius) ad seriem librorum pertinere? --Poecus (disputatio) 06:23, 23 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ita, eo etiam cogitabam, sed omnes has commentationes de primis personis celeriter creare volebam, et solus quis actor seu actrix qui personam agit scribebam. Censebam scientiam e libris post addi poterunt ab aliis usoribus et me. Et manifeste scientia e libris graviter scribenda est.

text: :Donatello (disputatio) 14:17, 23 Martii 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: ::Salve iterum. Dubito si Aemon Targaryen est unus primarum personarum a serie televisifica (non libri). Non tantum visus est enumerando prima persona? Libenter vide  commentationem de eo apud Game of Thrones Wiki si quis est nescis.

text: ::Donatello (disputatio) 14:51, 23 Martii 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: :::Nescio quomodo distinguuntur primae personae a secundis, sed pro certo potes inter secundis enumerare si tibi placet. Histrionem admiro! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:54, 23 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::In tempore longo ut actor adfuit. :) Natus est anno 1923 et abhinc anno 1959 egit.

text: ::::Lexicon meum dicit main character est "prima persona" et "princeps persona", ducens persona in pelliculis et seriebus televisificis. Fortasse etiam pro theatro, non certus sum. Pro minor character Latine nescio. Non supporting character quoque (non tote certus sum si hunc existit). Pro minor character velim dicere "secunda persona", et pro supporting character velim dicere forsan "auxilians persona".

text: ::::Secundas personas libenter habere possumus. Quoque indicem longam fiet, sed energiam habeo. :)

text: ::::Donatello (disputatio) 17:12, 23 Martii 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: :::::Pro tempore e tabula in textum removi, sicut videbis, sed potes tabulam personarum minorum creare si vis! OK? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:12, 23 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::Libenter possum. Energiam habeo. :)

text: ::::::Donatello (disputatio) 01:27, 24 Martii 2013 (UTC).
thread_title:  Primae personae a ''Game of Thrones'' 

message: Salve, addidi magnam partem de historia serium et casae descriptiones. --2.34.40.124 14:37, 30 Iunii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Salve. Bene dico. :) Commentationem iam magis totam videt. -- Donatello (disputatio) 16:06, 30 Iunii 2013 (UTC).
thread_title:  Serium historia et casae
Disputatio:Casales Sanctorum Cosmae et Damiani

message: An fontem huius nominis habemus? Si nomen accipiendum est, Latinitatis causa oportet emendare, id quod pro tempore feci. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:59, 1 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ubi in fonte citato "Casales Sanctorum Cosmae et Damiani" invenitur? - Genetivus "Cosmastis" certe emendandus est - quod faciam - forma "Cosmatis" pro "Cosmae" in toponymis raro invenitur.--Utilo (disputatio) 09:42, 1 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fons
Disputatio:Feriae Iudaicae

message: Iustini sententia ex summario diei 2. Aprilis 2013 sumpta: Licet de nomine aptissimo disputare, est autem sine dubio Pentecoste nomen eiusdem sollemnitatis שבועות. Ita ut illud Pascha nomen ambiguum est, sic etiam Pentecoste!
replies: text: Nomina sollemnitatis in Bibliis occurentia in commentatione Sollemnitas Hebdomadarum contuli. Si quid neglexerim, addite, amici! In vocabulario Septuagintae (ed. Friedrich Rehkopf) undecies "pentekostos" in Vetere Testamento (Lev 25,10: de anno iubilari, etc.) invenitur, "pentekoste" ter in Novo Testamento (Act 2,1 et 20,16; 1 Cor 16,8 : His locis semper festum Pentecostes valet). Vulgata in Vetere Testamento nomina interpretatur, ut in Sollemnitas Hebdomadarum demonstravi, verbum "pentecoste" adhuc non repperi. Itaque ad festum Iudaicum denotandum verbum in Vetere Testamento usitatum adhibui. Certe mutari possit.--Utilo (disputatio) 21:51, 2 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Bene factis, gratias. Parvam mutationem feci in nominum indice. --Iustinus (disputatio) 00:33, 3 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rectum festi "shavuot" nomen 

message: Nomibus aliarum feriarum ex Bibliis Vulgatis plerisque desumptis, difficultatem habemus de festo cuius nomen שמיני עצרת. Namque si more Hieronymi imitandi peregere velimus (equidem malo), haec locutiones habemus:
* Lev 23:36: "...Dies quoque octavus erit celeberrimus atque sanctissimus et offeretis holocaustum Domino est enim coetus..." ergo *Octavus Coetūs? 
* Num 29:35: "Die octavo qui est celeberrimus...." ergo *Octavus Celeberrimus?
* 2Ch 7:9: "Fecitque die octavo collectam...." ergo *Octavus Collectae?
* Neh 8:18: "...et in die octavo collectum iuxta ritum...." ergo *Octavus Collecti?
Varietatis interpretationum hic me piget, neque quaequam earum valde mihi placet. Fortasse opportebit Latinitatem Hebraistarum usurpare, nescio. --Iustinus (disputatio) 00:20, 24 Septembris 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: :An possumus Dies octavus?
replies: text: :Salve, mi Iustine! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:08, 24 Septembris 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Sane subauditur illud יום/Dies (omnibus locis Biblicis aperte scriptum, sed non generatim in textibus serioribus!).

text: ::Et salve tu, o mi Andrea. Hodie, primo die Feriae Tabernaculorum, fortasse denique litteras diu debitas ad te mittere potero.

text: ::--Iustinus (disputatio) 18:39, 24 Septembris 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shemini Atzeret
Disputatio:Summer Glau

message: De Aestate Glau, vide:
replies: text: de: ist eine US-amerikanische Tänzerin und Schauspielerin.

text: en: is an American actress

text: eu: aktore eta dantzari estatubatuarra da

text: fr: est une actrice et danseuse américaine

text: hu: amerikai színésznő

text: it: è un'attrice statunitense

text: nl: een Amerikaans actrice

text: no: er en amerikansk skuespiller

text: pl: amerykańska aktorka

text: pt: é uma atriz e bailarina americana

text: ru: американская балерина и актриса

text: Suetice: är en amerikansk skådespelerska och balettdansös

text: Turcice: ABD'li dansçı,

text: uk:  американська балерина та акторка
Brevis omnium hominum formula in plurimis vicipaediis est [Nomen] est/fuit [munus] [nationalitas]. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:24, 3 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

text: Ita, amice, recte mones: encyclopaediam scribimus. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:48, 3 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

text: Pro "follow-up" scripsi "consectaria": an recte, haud scio :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:57, 3 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: De "Removo nationalitatem. Non graviter est. Quamquam est encyclopaedia"
Disputatio:Arcus Constantini

message: Minime, ut mihi videtur. Illam paginam arcus Constantini I liberatam et rebus vel abundantibus vel falsis et linguae vitiis paupertateque contribunendam censeo huic paginae. - Bavarese (disputatio) 11:36, 4 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Bene, sed quid igitur? Si paginae de eadem re disserunt, istaque nihil utile dicit, delenda est et hic redirigenda. Consentisne? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:22, 4 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Fortasse ea pagina, priusquam delebitur, scrutanda fuerit, num quaedam servanda atque accipienda contineat. - Bavarese (disputatio) 12:56, 6 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Num contribuendum est paginae ''arcus Constantini I''?
Disputatio Categoriae:Factores pellicularum

message: Qui sunt "factores pellicularum"? Quomodo a "moderatoribus cinematographicis" differunt? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:32, 7 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sunt homines, qui rem oeconomicam pellicularum administrant, non artisticam. Nomen e Formula:Capsa pelliculae suscepi. In lingua Anglica producer nominantur.--Schulz-Hameln (disputatio) 14:17, 7 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Optime: gratias ago, Schulz-Hameln! Haec categoria pro certo utilis erit. Nexus intervicios nunc curavi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:28, 7 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: De categoria
Disputatio:Equus Troianus (informaticum)

message: Can I ask what is the issue with the dubsig? GratiasJondel (disputatio) 12:23, 13 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is the dubsig? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:35, 13 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :The query must be referring to the hidden question mark, which asks about Epitome Troianis est programma quod morem gerit quasi systema logon ut moderatoris tesseram nanciscatur, quae extraneum systema invadere sinat, which seems to be saying 'For the Trojans, the abridgement is a program that carries an inclination like a logon system so that it might obtain a controller's password, which [i.e., the password] might allow an extraneous system to invade'. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:12, 13 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::It is the hidden question mark indeed. Videlicet  I originally intended to say: An epitome (a stereotype, not abridgement) of a trojan is a software which behaves (not 'carries an inclination')like a system logon to obtain the password and allow an outsider to breach /enter the system.  The outsider('intruder') was meant to be just human outsider but I guess it should include outsider system as well.Jondel (disputatio) 16:46, 14 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :::An epitome, as the Greek roots ('cut short') suggest, is an abridgement. A type is an exemplar or exemplum, so maybe a stereotype is an exemplar tritum or exemplum translaticium or some combination of those words, or with forma, figura, genus. To behave is se gerere, but solere can be useful in such an expansive semantic field, as can senses of simulare and fingere. Others may offer additional suggestions. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 01:37, 18 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Thank you for your help Iacobus! I was on the way to the internet to change the behave word to se gerere. I will be using se gerere and 'Exemplar tritum'. By the way, let's write an article on the original Equus Troianus.Jondel (disputatio) 10:43, 18 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubsig?
Disputatio:Congo (flumen)

message: "Congo sive Congum". Quod ad "Congum" adtinet, miror nomen fluminis Latinum neutri generis esse in 'um' desinens, quod quidem non patet, quod viderim, ex pagina Lexici Universalis Hofmanniani notae secundae adnexa. In ea pagina "CONGUM, seu CONGO" est regnum, non flumen. MARCVS (disputatio) 00:51, 15 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flumen Congum?
Disputatio:Payachteres

message: Verbum Graecum "Παυαϰτεϱής" in fonte video, Latine "pauacteres". Fortasse legendum "Παναϰτεϱής", sed neque hanc formam neque illam in lexico reperio. Insuper nescio an re vera fuerit nomen topographicum. Sine alio fonte, haud a nobis accipiendum censeo. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:55, 15 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Snippet view libri prolati in Google Books profecto "Πανακτερής" habet nec "Παυακτερής" — sed nusquam alibi id video.  Sed paginam cui haec nectit dicit "l’ipotesi più accreditata presso gli storici circa l’origine del toponimo, richiama alla parola calabrese “Panetterì”, che vuol dire fornaio e quindi lo farebbe derivare dalla specializzazione e bravura raggiunta dai suoi abitanti nei processi di panificazione" — h.e., melius est hoc nomen referre ad nomen quod indicat "pistores" ("panetarii") —Mucius Tever (disputatio) 13:37, 17 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Vinovia

message: Propono "Vinovia"m quia sic dicunt fontes Latini. "Vinovium" e fonte Graeco tantum habemus. OK? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:55, 16 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Salve Andreas. Bene. :) Mutamus. Non certus eram quid nomen adhibendissimum.

text: Donatello (disputatio) 12:19, 16 Aprilis 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: :Certo scimus vocem Vinovia in contextu in Itinerario Antonini scripto non esse pluralem? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:46, 16 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Nescimus. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:14, 24 Maii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Via Sacra (Attica)

message: I think the image is too confusing to use here, because the sacred way on Delos is not the sacred way from Athens to Eleusis. I propose to replace or remove it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:44, 16 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to remove it, too, from the English wiki, where it came from (and from the Hrvatski wiki). The Greek wiki has two perhaps better images, one of which is also in the German wiki. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:13, 16 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :I generally only interfere here ... But I like your picture so much I'll start an article about the Sacred Way on Delos.

text: :The image on Greek wiki is lovely too, but it's copyright, therefore not on commons. I used the other. Thanks for pointing them out. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:05, 17 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imago
Disputatio:Bacchi

message: "Bacchi" would be our normal Latinization. OK to move to that? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:46, 16 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly, if that's Vicipaedia's norm! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:16, 16 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thanks, Iacobe. Done. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:05, 16 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name
Disputatio:Genco Gulan

message: unus artificum duabus de causis non dicatur.
Quarum prima: Numeralia cardinalia per praepositiones sive ex sive de cum nominibus coniunguntur; e. g. unus e notissimis artificibus; unus cum genitivo partitivo uti licet tantum in coniunctione cum omnes cum superlativo, velut unus omnium notissimorum artificum 
secunda: vocabulum latinum unus est numerale significans unum solum. Quod hoc loco non exprimitur; ineptum enim esset. - Bavarese (disputatio) 13:05, 20 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ad "unus artificum"
Disputatio:Despoena

message: OK to move this to "Despoena"? That would be the normal Latin transliteration, as confirmed by the entry in Smith's Dictionary. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:06, 21 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes indeed, if that's the standard Latinization! English tends to latch onto the Greek forms of some of these things. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:15, 21 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Egdor

message: I'm not aware which source was used to determine the Latin name for this waterway, but I would expect it to be better known as "Eidora". This was the name formerly used on a Danish-German border stone placed at the bank of this river (removed in 1806): thumb|The "Eider Stone" The inscription implies that "The Eider is the border of the Holy Roman Empire". 95.166.21.98 22:41, 21 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Someone may now produce a source for "Egdor". Depending on the result, we should consider moving the page. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:43, 22 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :The typography of the stone looks recent, within the past few centuries. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:32, 22 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::The stone was erected around 1670 on the order of King Christian V of Denmark, and was placed near the river Eider, a river that formed the border between a Danish fief (Schleswig) and a German fief (Holstein) as indicated by the stone. The stone was removed in 1806 (when the Holy Roman Empire was dissolved, making it obsolete), and moved to another building in the same town. It was eventually moved to Copenhagen. If anyone has access to a Latin copy of Gesta Danorum by Saxo Grammaticus, it would be very useful, since this river features in Saxo's story about Uffe hin Spage. 95.166.21.98 21:41, 22 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Fontes miscelli: Eduard Moritz, Die Entwickelung des Kartenbildes der Nord- und Ostseeländer bis ... (1908): "Egdor fluvius qui Danos dirimit a Saxonibus." Etiam: www.uni-protokolle.de: "Die Grenze zu den Dänen im heutigen Landesteil Schleswig bildete schon damals die Eider ( lateinisch : Egdor fluvius)." IacobusAmor (disputatio) 00:49, 23 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

text: :::Interesting. I found a link to the Gesta Danorum. "Hunc fluvius Eidorus ita aquarum ambitu vallat, ut, earum interstitio repugnante, navigiis dumtaxat aditus pateat." ( Gesta Danorum, Dan, 4.4.8) It seems one of the forms is related to the current name of the waterway, while the other is related to the Norse name. 95.166.21.98 07:33, 23 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::All these are good, relevant sources. It seems to me all three names (Eidorus, Eidora, Egdor) need to be in the first sentence, with a source cited for each. I don't have any view on which we should choose for the lemma. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:59, 23 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Name
Disputatio:Iona (genus)

message: Yes, I was about to do make separate entries for cataloguing their taxa, on the off-chance that she named some arachnids after he died, but Peckham & Peckham implies that they always worked together (as long as he was alive), so the separate entries may eventually want to be recombined. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:47, 24 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: C'est la vie! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:55, 24 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Peckham & Peckham