Disputatio Vicipaediae:Praefatio

message: :From http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Roland2#introductio:
... videtur mihi saepius "praefatio" pro verbo anglico "introduction"...eg, omnes libri apud bibliothecam oxfordiensis classicorum incipiunt cum praefatione in qua interpres det sermonem brevem de argumento libri secuti. Miror, praefatio magisne pertinet libris, introductione subiectis? Nescio, at praefationem soliter praeferro.--Ioshus Rocchio 02:51, 23 Maii 2006 (UTC)
...introductione magis utitur pro caerimoniis, et actis religiosis aliis, etiam in ritibus gubernatorialibus vel officiosis...tametsi argumentum aliquis aget ut via in vicipaediam sancta sit... =] --Ioshus Rocchio 02:58, 23 Maii 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''praefatio'' vs. ''introductio''

message: ===Redundant===
The struck out pages have now been put into :Categoria:Bliteum where they will rest in peace. The non-struck out ones however still need adjustment, merging or may be considered by some to be valid rules which shouldn't be scrapped at all.
*Vicipaedia:Aestimatio
*Vicipaedia:Annus
*Vicipaedia:Categoriae et paginae
*Vicipaedia:Collaboratio hebdomadalis (FOR THIS, I SUGGEST THERE IS JUST :Vicipaedia:Collaboratio AND IT IS GIVEN A PAGE BASE OF AROUND 15 ALWAYS RATHER THAN CLOGGING UP. IT SHOULD BE NEAT SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET CONFUSED)
*Vicipaedia:Colores (IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTS IT, IT IS AT usor:Harrissimo/consilium AND THEY CAN COPY IT THEMSELVES)
*Vicipaedia:Communicatio
*Vicipaedia:Compendium (INCLUDE AS USAGE NOTE AT Formula:Compendium)
*Vicipaedia:De Vicipaedia
*Vicipaedia:De infinitivis et imperativis (AT usor:Harrissimo/consilium)
*Vicipaedia:Experimentum
*Vicipaedia:Fractiones decimales (ESSENTIALY JUST A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER POLICY PAGE ANYWAY)
*Vicipaedia:Grammatica
*Vicipaedia:Imagines in disputatione (I THINK THE WHOLE CONCEPT WAS JUST APPEASING THE DIFFICULT USER AND SO WE SHOULD SCRAP IT. BUT THAT IS JUST AN OPINION AND SO IT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED)
*Vicipaedia:Imago (SHOULD BE DESCRIBED ANYWAY AT Vicipaedia:Auxilium paginarum recensendarum OR AT Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum)
*Vicipaedia:Index nexuum (AT usor:Harrissimo/consilium - I PROPOSE A :Categoria:Publicationes utiles BELOW)
*Vicipaedia:Index numerorum Romanorum
*Vicipaedia:Legatio (SHOULD JUST BE A REDIRECT TO Vicipaedia:Legatio nostra)
*Vicipaedia:Lexicon
*Vicipaedia:Lingua (WE COULD KEEP, A HANDY LIST, BUT IT OUGHTN'T BE IN A MAJOR POLICY CATEGORY)
*Vicipaedia:Machinationem monstrat (EN.WIKI SCRAPPED IT [I THINK] AND IT IS ONY USED ONCE)
*Vicipaedia:MediaWiki
*Vicipaedia:Mutationes recentes
*Vicipaedia:Namespace (MERGE WITH BETTER NAMED AND BETTER INFORMED Vicipaedia:Spatium nominale)
*Vicipaedia:Nexus
*Vicipaedia:Nexus desiderati (TO BE EXPLAINED AT Vicipaedia:Nexus intervici)
*Vicipaedia:Numeri Romani (ALREADY AT Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum#Numerorum usus)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina brevis (MAYBE WORTHY AS BEING A MOS)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina usoris (MAYBE A MOS COULD EXPLAIN THAT A BABEL FORMULA IS RECOMMENDED)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae Latinae quas aliae Vicipaediae habeant (TO BE MERGED WITH Paginae quae... habeant)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae bene factae (NO NEED FOR LIST, Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum AND Vicipaedia:Pagina DESCRIBE HOW TO MAKE A GOOD PAGE)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae de Chilia
*Vicipaedia:Paginae speciales (LINKS WILL BE INCLUDED AT COLLABORATION PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Persona (ARTICULUS vs PAGINA NEEDS MENTIONING AT AN ENCYCLOPAEDIA, BUT THIS SEEMS A BIT EXTREME)
*Vicipaedia:Pipe trick (ALREADY AT Vicipaedia:Auxilium paginarum recensendarum)
*Vicipaedia:Plurimum mutata
*Vicipaedia:Qualitätssicherung (WHAT'S THERE CAN BE KEPT AT COLLABORATION PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Quid est Taberna? (AGAIN, JUST AN OPINION HERE, BUT I THINK THE TABERNA HAS LOADS OF USES, AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE LISTED)
*Vicipaedia:Signum (TOO MINOR AN ISSUE FOR A WHOLE PAGE, THERE IS ALREADY A MOS ON THIS ANYWAY)
*Vicipaedia:Tabularium
*Vicipaedia:Tituli petiti (I THINK THE TABERNA SHOULD BE USED FOR THIS, MORE RESPONSES CAN BE FOUND THERE)
*Vicipaedia:Titulus
*Vicipaedia:Translatio
*Vicipaedia:Verba technologica (WE ALREADY HAVE LISTS, GLOSSARIES ETC, ETC, ETC, EXPLAINING THESE TERMS)
*Vicipaedia:Vexillum et Signum (AT usor:Harrissimo/consilium)
*Vicipaedia:Vicimedia
*Vicipaedia:Victionarium
*Vicipaedia:Vide etiam
*Vicipaedia:Vulgo (DITCH, BUT HAVE IT AS A MOS SAYING THAT ADVERBS SHOULD BE USED NEXT TO THE LEMMA - WITH AN EXAMPLE IN THE MOS)
*Harrissimo 22:35, 9 Martii 2008 (UTC).
===Consilia===
====Pages to stay====
I propose that the following pages are the backbone of the Category (the pages that should be used as an editing reference) and they should be included in the subcategory :Categoria:Consilia Vicipaediana
*Vicipaedia:A est B
*Vicipaedia:Articulus (AS A MOS, see Verba disputata below)
*Vicipaedia:Auxilium paginarum recensendarum
*Vicipaedia:Biographia
*Vicipaedia:Categoria
*Vicipaedia:Cleanup (IN A COLLABORATIVE SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum
*Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum/en (FMT)
*Vicipaedia:Deletio (WITH SEVERE RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Destructor (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Discretiva (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Dump, Vicipaedia:Dump/20070406, Vicipaedia:Dump/20070419, Vicipaedia:Dump/latest (IN COLLABORATION
SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:FAQ
*Vicipaedia:Fons
*Vicipaedia:Gradus Latinitatis
*Vicipaedia:Grapheocrates (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Gravitas (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Hierarchia Paginarum
*Vicipaedia:Imagines onerare
*Vicipaedia:Invitatio
*Vicipaedia:Ioci (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Legatio nostra
*Vicipaedia:Lexica Latina interretialia (IN 'PUBLICATIONES UTILES' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Magistratus (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Movere
*Vicipaedia:Nexus intervici
*Vicipaedia:Noli fingere
*Vicipaedia:Nomina usorum (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Non-stipula
*Vicipaedia:Nova pagina (THE ONLY REASON IT'S NOT REDUNDANT IS THAT IT COULD HELP NEW USERS)
*Vicipaedia:Opes
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/de
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/en
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/ro
*Vicipaedia:Orthographia mensurarum (BUT NEEDS LINK TO SI WEBSITE OR MANUAL FOR USERS TO BE INCLUDED)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina desiderata (DEFINITELY SOMETHING FOR THE COLLABORATIVE PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina mensis
*Vicipaedia:Paginae Latine reddendae (IN COLLABORATIVE PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae audibiles (MAYBE USEFUL FOR THE FUTURE)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae orbatae
*Vicipaedia:Paginae protectae
*Vicipaedia:Paginae quas omnes Vicipaediae habeant (BUT MERGE WITH Paginae Latine reddendae)
*Vicipaedia:Petitio magistratus (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Porta communis
*Vicipaedia:Porta eruditionis
*Vicipaedia:Praefatio
*Vicipaedia:Praemia Vicipaedianis (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Propaganda (TO BE LINKED AT COLLABORATION PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Redirectio
*Vicipaedia:Redundancy (NEEDS MOVING TO A LATIN TITLE)
*Vicipaedia:Salve
*Vicipaedia:Spatium nominale
*Vicipaedia:Structura paginae
*Vicipaedia:Translatio lemmatis
*Vicipaedia:Translatio nominum propriorum
*Vicipaedia:Translitteratio
*Vicipaedia:Usores (CONTENT ISSUES, BUT A WORTHY CORE PAGE FOR 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Verba disputata (EXCEPT THIS SHOULD BE CONCLUSIVE, NOT SPECULATIVE, AND SPLIT INTO MORES)
thread_title: Vicipaedia: namespace overhaul discussions

message: The struck out pages have now been put into :Categoria:Bliteum where they will rest in peace. The non-struck out ones however still need adjustment, merging or may be considered by some to be valid rules which shouldn't be scrapped at all.
*Vicipaedia:Aestimatio
*Vicipaedia:Annus
*Vicipaedia:Categoriae et paginae
*Vicipaedia:Collaboratio hebdomadalis (FOR THIS, I SUGGEST THERE IS JUST :Vicipaedia:Collaboratio AND IT IS GIVEN A PAGE BASE OF AROUND 15 ALWAYS RATHER THAN CLOGGING UP. IT SHOULD BE NEAT SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET CONFUSED)
*Vicipaedia:Colores (IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTS IT, IT IS AT usor:Harrissimo/consilium AND THEY CAN COPY IT THEMSELVES)
*Vicipaedia:Communicatio
*Vicipaedia:Compendium (INCLUDE AS USAGE NOTE AT Formula:Compendium)
*Vicipaedia:De Vicipaedia
*Vicipaedia:De infinitivis et imperativis (AT usor:Harrissimo/consilium)
*Vicipaedia:Experimentum
*Vicipaedia:Fractiones decimales (ESSENTIALY JUST A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER POLICY PAGE ANYWAY)
*Vicipaedia:Grammatica
*Vicipaedia:Imagines in disputatione (I THINK THE WHOLE CONCEPT WAS JUST APPEASING THE DIFFICULT USER AND SO WE SHOULD SCRAP IT. BUT THAT IS JUST AN OPINION AND SO IT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED)
*Vicipaedia:Imago (SHOULD BE DESCRIBED ANYWAY AT Vicipaedia:Auxilium paginarum recensendarum OR AT Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum)
*Vicipaedia:Index nexuum (AT usor:Harrissimo/consilium - I PROPOSE A :Categoria:Publicationes utiles BELOW)
*Vicipaedia:Index numerorum Romanorum
*Vicipaedia:Legatio (SHOULD JUST BE A REDIRECT TO Vicipaedia:Legatio nostra)
*Vicipaedia:Lexicon
*Vicipaedia:Lingua (WE COULD KEEP, A HANDY LIST, BUT IT OUGHTN'T BE IN A MAJOR POLICY CATEGORY)
*Vicipaedia:Machinationem monstrat (EN.WIKI SCRAPPED IT [I THINK] AND IT IS ONY USED ONCE)
*Vicipaedia:MediaWiki
*Vicipaedia:Mutationes recentes
*Vicipaedia:Namespace (MERGE WITH BETTER NAMED AND BETTER INFORMED Vicipaedia:Spatium nominale)
*Vicipaedia:Nexus
*Vicipaedia:Nexus desiderati (TO BE EXPLAINED AT Vicipaedia:Nexus intervici)
*Vicipaedia:Numeri Romani (ALREADY AT Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum#Numerorum usus)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina brevis (MAYBE WORTHY AS BEING A MOS)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina usoris (MAYBE A MOS COULD EXPLAIN THAT A BABEL FORMULA IS RECOMMENDED)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae Latinae quas aliae Vicipaediae habeant (TO BE MERGED WITH Paginae quae... habeant)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae bene factae (NO NEED FOR LIST, Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum AND Vicipaedia:Pagina DESCRIBE HOW TO MAKE A GOOD PAGE)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae de Chilia
*Vicipaedia:Paginae speciales (LINKS WILL BE INCLUDED AT COLLABORATION PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Persona (ARTICULUS vs PAGINA NEEDS MENTIONING AT AN ENCYCLOPAEDIA, BUT THIS SEEMS A BIT EXTREME)
*Vicipaedia:Pipe trick (ALREADY AT Vicipaedia:Auxilium paginarum recensendarum)
*Vicipaedia:Plurimum mutata
*Vicipaedia:Qualitätssicherung (WHAT'S THERE CAN BE KEPT AT COLLABORATION PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Quid est Taberna? (AGAIN, JUST AN OPINION HERE, BUT I THINK THE TABERNA HAS LOADS OF USES, AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE LISTED)
*Vicipaedia:Signum (TOO MINOR AN ISSUE FOR A WHOLE PAGE, THERE IS ALREADY A MOS ON THIS ANYWAY)
*Vicipaedia:Tabularium
*Vicipaedia:Tituli petiti (I THINK THE TABERNA SHOULD BE USED FOR THIS, MORE RESPONSES CAN BE FOUND THERE)
*Vicipaedia:Titulus
*Vicipaedia:Translatio
*Vicipaedia:Verba technologica (WE ALREADY HAVE LISTS, GLOSSARIES ETC, ETC, ETC, EXPLAINING THESE TERMS)
*Vicipaedia:Vexillum et Signum (AT usor:Harrissimo/consilium)
*Vicipaedia:Vicimedia
*Vicipaedia:Victionarium
*Vicipaedia:Vide etiam
*Vicipaedia:Vulgo (DITCH, BUT HAVE IT AS A MOS SAYING THAT ADVERBS SHOULD BE USED NEXT TO THE LEMMA - WITH AN EXAMPLE IN THE MOS)
*Harrissimo 22:35, 9 Martii 2008 (UTC).
thread_title: Redundant

message: ====Pages to stay====
I propose that the following pages are the backbone of the Category (the pages that should be used as an editing reference) and they should be included in the subcategory :Categoria:Consilia Vicipaediana
*Vicipaedia:A est B
*Vicipaedia:Articulus (AS A MOS, see Verba disputata below)
*Vicipaedia:Auxilium paginarum recensendarum
*Vicipaedia:Biographia
*Vicipaedia:Categoria
*Vicipaedia:Cleanup (IN A COLLABORATIVE SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum
*Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum/en (FMT)
*Vicipaedia:Deletio (WITH SEVERE RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Destructor (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Discretiva (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Dump, Vicipaedia:Dump/20070406, Vicipaedia:Dump/20070419, Vicipaedia:Dump/latest (IN COLLABORATION
SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:FAQ
*Vicipaedia:Fons
*Vicipaedia:Gradus Latinitatis
*Vicipaedia:Grapheocrates (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Gravitas (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Hierarchia Paginarum
*Vicipaedia:Imagines onerare
*Vicipaedia:Invitatio
*Vicipaedia:Ioci (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Legatio nostra
*Vicipaedia:Lexica Latina interretialia (IN 'PUBLICATIONES UTILES' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Magistratus (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Movere
*Vicipaedia:Nexus intervici
*Vicipaedia:Noli fingere
*Vicipaedia:Nomina usorum (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Non-stipula
*Vicipaedia:Nova pagina (THE ONLY REASON IT'S NOT REDUNDANT IS THAT IT COULD HELP NEW USERS)
*Vicipaedia:Opes
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/de
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/en
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/ro
*Vicipaedia:Orthographia mensurarum (BUT NEEDS LINK TO SI WEBSITE OR MANUAL FOR USERS TO BE INCLUDED)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina desiderata (DEFINITELY SOMETHING FOR THE COLLABORATIVE PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina mensis
*Vicipaedia:Paginae Latine reddendae (IN COLLABORATIVE PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae audibiles (MAYBE USEFUL FOR THE FUTURE)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae orbatae
*Vicipaedia:Paginae protectae
*Vicipaedia:Paginae quas omnes Vicipaediae habeant (BUT MERGE WITH Paginae Latine reddendae)
*Vicipaedia:Petitio magistratus (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Porta communis
*Vicipaedia:Porta eruditionis
*Vicipaedia:Praefatio
*Vicipaedia:Praemia Vicipaedianis (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Propaganda (TO BE LINKED AT COLLABORATION PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Redirectio
*Vicipaedia:Redundancy (NEEDS MOVING TO A LATIN TITLE)
*Vicipaedia:Salve
*Vicipaedia:Spatium nominale
*Vicipaedia:Structura paginae
*Vicipaedia:Translatio lemmatis
*Vicipaedia:Translatio nominum propriorum
*Vicipaedia:Translitteratio
*Vicipaedia:Usores (CONTENT ISSUES, BUT A WORTHY CORE PAGE FOR 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Verba disputata (EXCEPT THIS SHOULD BE CONCLUSIVE, NOT SPECULATIVE, AND SPLIT INTO MORES)
thread_title: Consilia

message: I propose that the following pages are the backbone of the Category (the pages that should be used as an editing reference) and they should be included in the subcategory :Categoria:Consilia Vicipaediana
*Vicipaedia:A est B
*Vicipaedia:Articulus (AS A MOS, see Verba disputata below)
*Vicipaedia:Auxilium paginarum recensendarum
*Vicipaedia:Biographia
*Vicipaedia:Categoria
*Vicipaedia:Cleanup (IN A COLLABORATIVE SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum
*Vicipaedia:Commendationes paginarum recte scribendarum/en (FMT)
*Vicipaedia:Deletio (WITH SEVERE RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Destructor (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Discretiva (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Dump, Vicipaedia:Dump/20070406, Vicipaedia:Dump/20070419, Vicipaedia:Dump/latest (IN COLLABORATION
SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:FAQ
*Vicipaedia:Fons
*Vicipaedia:Gradus Latinitatis
*Vicipaedia:Grapheocrates (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Gravitas (WITH RENOVATION)
*Vicipaedia:Hierarchia Paginarum
*Vicipaedia:Imagines onerare
*Vicipaedia:Invitatio
*Vicipaedia:Ioci (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Legatio nostra
*Vicipaedia:Lexica Latina interretialia (IN 'PUBLICATIONES UTILES' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Magistratus (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Movere
*Vicipaedia:Nexus intervici
*Vicipaedia:Noli fingere
*Vicipaedia:Nomina usorum (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Non-stipula
*Vicipaedia:Nova pagina (THE ONLY REASON IT'S NOT REDUNDANT IS THAT IT COULD HELP NEW USERS)
*Vicipaedia:Opes
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/de
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/en
*Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/ro
*Vicipaedia:Orthographia mensurarum (BUT NEEDS LINK TO SI WEBSITE OR MANUAL FOR USERS TO BE INCLUDED)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina desiderata (DEFINITELY SOMETHING FOR THE COLLABORATIVE PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Pagina mensis
*Vicipaedia:Paginae Latine reddendae (IN COLLABORATIVE PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae audibiles (MAYBE USEFUL FOR THE FUTURE)
*Vicipaedia:Paginae orbatae
*Vicipaedia:Paginae protectae
*Vicipaedia:Paginae quas omnes Vicipaediae habeant (BUT MERGE WITH Paginae Latine reddendae)
*Vicipaedia:Petitio magistratus (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Porta communis
*Vicipaedia:Porta eruditionis
*Vicipaedia:Praefatio
*Vicipaedia:Praemia Vicipaedianis (IN 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Propaganda (TO BE LINKED AT COLLABORATION PORTAL)
*Vicipaedia:Redirectio
*Vicipaedia:Redundancy (NEEDS MOVING TO A LATIN TITLE)
*Vicipaedia:Salve
*Vicipaedia:Spatium nominale
*Vicipaedia:Structura paginae
*Vicipaedia:Translatio lemmatis
*Vicipaedia:Translatio nominum propriorum
*Vicipaedia:Translitteratio
*Vicipaedia:Usores (CONTENT ISSUES, BUT A WORTHY CORE PAGE FOR 'INTRA VICIPAEDIAM' SECTION)
*Vicipaedia:Verba disputata (EXCEPT THIS SHOULD BE CONCLUSIVE, NOT SPECULATIVE, AND SPLIT INTO MORES)
thread_title: Pages to stay