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Disputatio:Christiani Sancti Thomae

message: Salve! Me valde delectat tuum auxilium reddere ex Anglice Saint Thomas Christians . Gratias tibi ago.--Jondel (disputatio) 03:41, 8 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
Greetings. I would appreciate your help to translate the phrase Saint Thomas Christians (in the plural). Gratias tibi ago.--Jondel (disputatio) 03:39, 8 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Verba idonea "Christiani Sancti Thomae" (et scriptura breviori "Christiani S. Thomae") reperiuntur si apud google quaerimus. His verbis ita uti possumus. An aliae versiones exstant, nescio. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:40, 8 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
Non possum repperire cum Christiani Sancti Thomae in google, sed valde me adiuvat tuas translationes et utar. Gratias Andreas. --Jondel (disputatio) 10:06, 8 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Si efficaciter petis, has invenies sententias: "Ecclesia Syrorum Malabarensium („Christiani Sancti Thomae") in India meridionali progenies huius ecclesiae est. Ecclesia, quae saeculo tredicesimo summum culmen fortunae attigerat, saeculo decimo quarto a Musulmano Tamerlane paene exstincta est." IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:08, 8 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
Salve, gratias tibi ago Iacobus. Licet investigem emendemque posterior. A Musulmano Tamerlane paene exstinctam esse necopinans eram. Ut scies iam rem esse Christiani Sancti Thomae.--Jondel (disputatio) 02:23, 9 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
Forsitan Christianismus in India et Christiani Sancti Thomae coniungantur?--Utilo (disputatio) 21:20, 12 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)

text: Sententiam retraho, ignoscatis! Christiani Sancti Thomae tantum sunt pars Christianorum in India viventium ....--Utilo (disputatio) 21:26, 12 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna#Saint_Thomas_Christians Ex Taberna] simulatus translatus [[Usor:Jondel|Jondel]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Jondel|disputatio]]) 23:24, 31 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
Disputatio:Sultanatus Delhiensis

message: An movenda? Orthographiam cum -lh- Latine numquam vidi. Hofmannus autem hic Dellium (cum -ll-) caput esse "regni cognom." dicit. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:39, 2 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Utraque orthographia in usu esse (sive fuisse) videtur. Si in google quaeris, quater "delliensis" monstratur (inter alia "Arx Delliensis" ca. 1774), Delhiensis in circiter 3100 paginarum invenitur (paginae scientificae: Pseudomonas delhiensis etc., et ecclesiasticae: Archidioecesis Delhiensis)--Utilo (disputatio) 09:06, 3 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Bene. Gratias tibi ago, Utilo! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:38, 3 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio Categoriae:Alumni Universitatis Vanderbiltiae

message: Melius Vanderbiltianae ? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:39, 8 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Evidently not! Vide "Obverse: Bust of Cornelius Vanderbilt facing right, UNIVERSITAS VANDERBILTIA around top and the date MDCCCLXXIII (1873) below" in hac pagina ! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:42, 8 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Gratias tibi ago, o censor! Phew! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:47, 8 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Vanderbiltiae
Disputatio Categoriae:Canada Atlantica

message: "The Maritimes" may make sense to English-speaking Canadians, but "Maritimae" doesn't hit it in Latin. I suggest either "Provinciae Maritimae (Canada)" or "Provinciae Maritimae Canadenses". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:25, 9 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: [Res] Maritimae? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:28, 9 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Exactly. Judging by the content and the supercategories, you mean a region of Canada. "Res maritimae" would mean something completely different. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:53, 9 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Looking further, I don't see how this category would differ from :Categoria:Canada Atlantica which we already have (and which already contains the current members of this category and Nova Scotia too). I suggest merging them. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:16, 10 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::The Maritimes are a subcategory of Atlantic Canada. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:40, 10 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::Exluding Newfoundland. I see. Well, if you really think it a useful distinction, what category name do you propose? Surely this one won't do ... I'm surprised you ever thought it would, to be honest :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:04, 10 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::::Since no proposal came, I have merged it with :Categoria:Canada Atlantica for the time being. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:01, 20 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
Nova Scotia needs to be added to the category (whatever it's called), but time's up for today! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:31, 9 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  De categoria "Maritimae"
Disputatio:Nemo (tempestas hiemalis)

message: Hoc est nomen invenerant fune TV alveo in USA. Hoc nomen persona non cepit. 109.176.235.79 13:37, 10 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Quid effari conaris, amice sine nomine? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:03, 10 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :The first sentence is certainly dictionary/translationese for "This is a name invented by a cable TV channel in the USA." I believe the second sentence intends to further question its authority (probably something like 'people don't accept this name [as official]'), if it's anything like similar rants against TWC's winter storm names I've heard recently.  Of course the footnote addresses this, though the argument might be against it being the page title (I notice en: doesn't use it there). —Mucius Tever (disputatio) 14:23, 11 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "Nemo"?
Disputatio:Ecclesia Orthodoxa Graeciae

message: Titulus haec paginae non convenit. Ecclesia Graeciae orthodoxa non est Archidiocesis Atheniensis vel Cretae. 86.202.93.38 21:12, 12 Februarii 2013 (UTC) Marge (fr).
replies: text: Titulum aptum esse puto. Ut in commentatione Ecclesiae Orthodoxae in Graecia videre potes, sunt variae ecclesiae sive structurae Orthodoxae in Graecia hodierna. Aliae Graeciae partes archiepiscopo Atheniensi subiectae sunt, aliae patriarchae Constantinopolitano (variis modis), aliae metropolitae Cretensi. Partes, quibus archiepiscopus Atheniensis praeest "Ecclesia Orthodoxa Graeciae" vel "Archidioecesis Graeciae" vocatur (vide :el:Ιερά Αρχιεπισκοπή Αθηνών: Η Ιερά Αρχιεπισκοπή Αθηνών, είναι η έδρα της Εκκλησίας της Ελλάδος). Huic archiepiscopi 81 metropolitae subiecti sunt (vide :el:Ορθόδοξη Εκκλησία της Ελλάδος).--Utilo (disputatio) 22:45, 12 Februarii 2013 (UTC)

message: * 1. Ecclesia orthodoxa non habet diocese (codex juris canonici ecclesiae Romanae, anno 1983) sed solum episcopatos, metropolas, archiepiscopatos et exarchatos qui ecclesiae locale sunt et non divisiones ecclesiae.
* 2. Archiepiscopatus Cretae archiepiscopati Heraclionis nomen est sed Archiepiscopatus Graeciae Archiepiscopati Atheniensis nomen non est.
* 3. Mesogeia regionis Spatarum nomen est. Graecia media non est. Metropolis Mesogeiae anno 1974 creata fuit.
* 4. Ecclesia orthodoxa non est ecclesia romana : Η Ιερά Αρχιεπισκοπή Αθηνών, είναι η έδρα της Εκκλησίας της Ελλάδος legetur differenter in Roma et in Athena.
Margum (disputatio) 20:45, 11 Iunii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ad corrigendum
Disputatio:Pelagius

message: In this article are no sources, but I don't know how to insert an infobox in latin Vicipaedia.
Can anyone help or find the sources? Mayatar (disputatio) 12:41, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand the question: what do sources have to do with an infobox?

text: If you want to add a bibliography, you can simply make a heading == Bibliographia ==

text: If the article makes claims that are certainly false, you can delete them (please explain your reasons here). If you can add footnotes to improve the sourcing, please do so, using ... in the text and inserting a section == Notae ==  below. Does that help? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:20, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: : Sorry for my bad english. With "Infobox" (I don't know the right term) I meant a tag at the beginning of the article which shows that this article has no sources at all like that one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unreferenced
replies: text: ::Ah, I understand now. We don't have such a tag. Since there are no footnotes and no bibliography in this article, the problem is obvious to any reader. The solution is -- I suggest :) -- not to tag the article, but to improve it!

text: ::So, if you would like to add a bibliography and external links, taking relevant items from other Wikipedias that already have citations or a bibliography on this subject, please do so. Today I have just been doing exactly this with Eustathius Sebastenus, and I do it often. It's a good start. Working from a bibliography like that, it is then much easier for future editors to improve the text, check the facts and add footnotes. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:44, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources
Disputatio:Eustathius Sebastenus

message: On Google I can find "Haeresis Macedoniana" and "Dogma Macedonianum". I choose the latter for the moment, but better choices may well exist. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:15, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And I'm wondering about the accuracy of the statement at all, because Eustathius's alleged buddy Basilius Ancyranus was an orthodox Christian. Maybe the Suda's Greek is clearer than Wikipedia's English. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:27, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Unless of course there were two Basils of Ancyra in the mid-fourth century: the good one and the bad one. ;) IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:28, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::You'll find a fairly detailed version here. In its last line, this article confirms that Basil's lot (and Eustathius's too I guess) are the ones that became "the Macedonians". So it all tallies. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:15, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :::So these Macedonians were followers of one of the three fourth-century Macedoniuses, and they had nothing to do with Macedonia except through him. It would have been thoughtful of them to have borne more various names!—which they might well have done in "real life"! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 18:05, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Macedonian heresy
Disputatio:Basilius Ancyranus

message: I hope it was OK to move to "Basilius Ancyranus". This form of the name comes up far more if you do a Google search, and "Ancyranus" is adopted at Catholic Hierarchy. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:11, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's fine. It's what I'd had—the only option given in Cassell's!—but then wayward fingers did some wanton finagling. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:51, 17 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Name
Disputatio:Infantulus

message: Est difficultas per (videatur esse) omnes Vicipaedias in recte hanc commentationem vocandi, et in nectendi... Gratia exempli, nexus Anglicus est :en:Child... quippe children possunt loqui, at haud infans valet idem ac child. Propono Infans, Liber, et Adolescens. Quid censetis vos?--Ioscius (disp) 18:43, 17 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Vidistine, Iosci, quo Liber nos ferat?   :-)   --Neander 03:57, 18 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)
Infans si "parvus puer" est, quonam nomine "parva puella" vocetur? --Neander 19:45, 17 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

text: Puellula fortasse. Harrissimo 20:15, 17 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC).

text: Et infantula novis natis. Harrissimo 20:19, 17 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC).
replies: text: : Gratias, Harrissimo, sed fortasse ironiá, quam temptabam, te fefelli. Punctum mihi argumenti est hoc: "Infans" vox communis est, quá et pueri et puellae indicantur. Ex definitione "infans = parvus puer" sequitur, ut puellae excludantur, quod minus placet. --Neander 03:57, 18 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Cinnum facio... Harrissimo 17:06, 18 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC).

text: :Credo correspondentiam esse sic (secundum Words):
replies: text: ::Infantulus/Infantula = baby

text: ::Infans = infant, newborn (also means speechless)

text: ::puer/puella = boy/girl/child, age 7-14 (exact definitions vary)

text: ::pueritia = childhood

text: ::liber (gen liberi) = child/one with abandon/one that is free and without responsibility
replies: text: :::Liberi = pueri + infantes?
replies: text: ::::Notandum est quoque: liber (gen libri) = book, bark of tree used to make paper

text: ::adulescens = youth age 14-20

text: ::iuvenis = young man/woman age 20-40

text: ::iuventus = youth

text: ::senex = old man, senior, over 45

text: :--Rafaelgarcia 15:23, 18 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Simulatus/translatus ex disputatione infantis
Disputatio:Voghiera

message: De nomine in dubio sum. Haud possumus "Vicohabentia" ex adiectivo "Vicohabentinus" derivare; licet -- et melius erit -- "Vicus Habentia" recognoscere, id quod in aliis fontibus reperimus. An movenda est pagina? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:40, 18 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Cum a stirpe Picent- et Picent-ia et Picent-īnus; a Placent- et Placent-ia et Placent-īnus; a Terent- et Terent-ia et Terent-īnus derivata esse videantur, quin etiam, si (solam) rationem respiciamus, a Vicohabent- et Vicohabent-iam et Vicohabent-īnum deducere possimus. Alia res quidem est, an Vicohabentia vero testimonio confirmari possit. Neander (disputatio) 17:56, 18 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :O solam (puram) rationem! Sed si "vicus" nomen commune esse scis, adiectivis toponymicis interdum e substantivo "binomini" constructis -- e.g. Novieboracensis, Hagaecomitanus, Sanctandreanus, Aquaesextiensis, in dubio manebis. Alios fontes "Vici Habentiae" repperi, sed nullum fontem "Vicohabentiae". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:46, 18 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :: Recte dicis. Per me sit Vicus Habentia, praesertim cum fontes habeamus. Neander (disputatio) 20:01, 18 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Lingua Protonordica

message: De "lingua Indoeuropaea quae in Scandinavia locuta est": Anglice = 'an Indo-European language that has [not was] spoken in Scandinavia'. Vide :en:Deponent verb, praecipue exempla Suetica andas, hoppas, kräkas, trivas, minnas. Inter quotidiana verba deponentia Latina sunt arbitrari, assentiri, fabricari, fateri (+ confiteri, profiteri), fungi, frui, loqui, mori, opinari, oriri, partiri, potiri, proficisci, sequi, uti, vehi, vesci. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 18:12, 18 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Salve Iacobus. Iuste erat credebam. Paulum dolosi illa sententia est. Recte nescio oportendi. Fortasse hoc modo: "...est lingua Indoeuropaea quae in Scandinavia loquebatur." Quaeso explica mihi. Donatello (disputatio) 01:22, 20 Februarii 2013 (UTC).
replies: text: :Protonordica est lingua quae loquebatur = 'Protonordic is a language that was speaking'. Several solutions to the problem are possible, but perhaps the patterns easiest to remember are homines Protonordice loquebantur and homines Protonordicá utebantur, both of which carry the message 'people were speaking Protonordic'. Deponents are usually said to be passive in form but active in meaning. The seeming direct objects of many are in the ablative: that's because they don't exactly have the sense by which we often translate them, so frui = 'to have the benefit of' (compare 'to enjoy'), uti = 'to make use of' (compare 'to use'), vesci = 'to feed on' (compare 'eat'). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:40, 20 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Verba deponentia
Disputatio:Carolus Ginzburg

message: I tagged this "Vicificanda" because it's basically a list of English translations. Seems to me those aren't relevant to Vicipaedia: assuming no one's translated him into Latin yet, we need to list the Italian originals. Any reader who isn't satisfied by that will go on to the Wikipedia article about him in the preferred language ... which may or may not be English. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:48, 19 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of his works
Disputatio:Vanessa (nomen)

message: I rewrote the bit about the origin. Seeing "versio animalis domestici a Hestere", I thought -- "I don't believe this!" -- and I was right. The English article says Essa was a pet name for Esther. Nothing to do with a domestic animal: a "pet name" is a babyish form of the name, or one used between lovers.
I also removed "Ionathan Swift nomen quoque cepiverit e dea Phanessa." I did it because, although en:wiki says this, if you follow the link there is no goddess "Phanessa", only an Orphic god Phanes. So, unless a real source turns up, this looks to me like a bit of creative vandalism by one of the many mystic mythologists on en:wiki. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:31, 19 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings Andrew. That is what "pet name" means. :) I was wrong. I thought it was about a "version of a name for a pet". The article looks better now. Thanks for your contribution. :)

text: Donatello (disputatio) 00:55, 20 Februarii 2013 (UTC).
thread_title:  Origin
Disputatio Formulae:Scaccarium

message: I recently edited the template, so that now it shows SVG images instead of the old PNG ones, like in almost all other language versions of Wikipedia (and it's also much better for scaling). Ego latine aegre loquor --Ricordisamoa (disputatio) 06:40, 20 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  SVG images
Disputatio Categoriae:Stabilimenta Indiae Francica

message: "Stabilimentum" exists as a medieval Latin word, an equivalent of the French Établissement, but I'm not sure it's the best choice. The official French terms was Établissements français de l'Inde. Some of these little spots could be called colonies, some were more like concessions or encampments. Better suggestions welcome. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:13, 20 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:CNN opera

message: Seems to me this is about an English neologism. There is no Latin equivalent yet. I'm not sure why Latin writers should develop a pejorative term for this concept at all :) So I suggest moving to "CNN opera", the English term, until we know of a non-pejorative term whether Latin or English. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:47, 23 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move?
Disputatio:Xinjiang

message: I just moved this to agree with the lemma. The trouble with "Uiguristania", if I'm not mistaken, is that we don't have a source for it. As for "Sinkiangia", I don't know ... While we decide, "Xinjiang" is OK because it's the official short name in official transliteration. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:09, 25 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found in my peregrinationibus this. Franciesse 15:15, 25 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: : And this:  Franciesse 15:20, 25 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Hmm, very interesting. Your no. 1 seems to be a mistake on that usually-accurate website -- he has confused Kianjing with Xinjiang. Or am I wrong there? But your no. 2 looks like the bee's knees: it shows that "Sinkiangensis" is fine as an adjective. Not sure yet, though, what the noun would be ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:58, 25 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::: I've noticed that mistake, but i haven't understood where Kianjing is (in en:wikipedia there isn't). Kiangchow is referred to Jiangzhou (I think we have a phonetic translation), that is in Shanxi. So we have two Xinjiang, this (region, Regio Sinkiagensis or something similar) and that (city, Urbs Kiangchovensis or something similar). What a confusion! I will NEVER go to China!! :-) Franciesse 09:25, 3 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Possibly this confusion was the last straw for Benedict XVI. The new pope will sort it out and find the archbishops, I'm sure. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:45, 3 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Paupertas

message: For a stub, this is remarkably blue! The first pagagraph looks like how the first paragraphs of the 1000 pages should look. (Each such article should be a hub from which many spokes radiate.) Come to think of it, why isn't this article one of the 1000 most-important ones? It's hard to see why this is a less important topic than, say, Vladimirus Vysockij. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:47, 6 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: General remark
Disputatio:Pisum

message: Salve! Suadeo, ut erratum corrigas: Numerus pluralis vocabuli semen dicitur semina, scilicet quia generis neutrius est. Praeterea forsitan satis est dicere ... et ab hominibus et a pecoribus consumuntur. - Bavarese (disputatio) 11:45, 11 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Gratias ago pro responsum celere. semina correxi. an gravis est, utrum ab an a scribam? - Opuntia (disputatio) 13:44, 11 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: :Forma ab semper recte uteris; si eam praepositionem consonans sequitur, dici potest a. Eodem modo adhibetur ex/e. - Bavarese (disputatio) 22:02, 11 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erratum
Disputatio:Constructio (grammatica)

message: Cur scribis pertinent? Cur referuntur? Mihi non liquet, cur non numerus singularis (congruens ad verba constructio grammatica ...) adhibendus sit. - Bavarese (disputatio) 14:35, 12 Martii 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Gratias tibi ago, Bavarese, profecto recte mones! Primo enim sententiam aliter construxi, et consilio mutato oblitus sum numerum verborum praedicatorum corrigere. Iam istos locos correxi. Neander (disputatio) 15:44, 12 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  quaestio de congruentia
Disputatio:Thenerife Auditorium

message: Paginam emendare temptavi. Sed sensum ultimae sententiae non intellego--Schulz-Hameln (disputatio) 16:11, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)

message: Nomen Latinum "Auditorium Nivariae" propono.--Schulz-Hameln (disputatio) 13:32, 15 Martii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen Latinum