Disputatio:Violina

message: Even the Italian wikipedia doesn't go as far as to say that Paganini was the most famous Italian violinist. This is all they say:
Si dice che Niccolò Paganini indebolisse di proposito alcune delle corde del suo violino, per far sì che si rompessero durante l'esibizione. A quel punto, continuava a suonare il resto del brano sulle corde rimanenti, a volte andando con la mano sinistra in posizioni molto alte sulla tastiera, in modo da impressionare il suo uditorio.
I think Paganini certainly has place in an article about the violin, but it should be in the context of what he did for violin playing and composing that was revolutionary. It should not just make a short subjective value judgement.--Ioshus (disp) 22:05, 3 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that no violinists should be mentioned in this article; I think instead a page for "violinists" (just like the pages for pianists, organists, etc.) should be started.  However, what would the term be?  "Fidiculista"? 71.174.112.209 10:16, 11 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)

message: Putatur praeclarus psaltes fidiculae Italicus Nicolaus Paganini fuit . What do you mean about this solution. I agree with you that the actual statement is not good. --Massimo Macconi 11:59, 4 Decembris 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putatur? 

message: Given Disputatio:Violinista, this should be moved to Violina, right? By the way I though the correct Latin word for 'fiddle' (stringed instrument) is vitula (which is cognate to it). Pantocrator 23:24, 12 Aprilis 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen 

message: Laurentiane, mutasti "usitate quattuor nervis in quintis perfectis contentis praeditum" in "chordophonum quattuor nervorum intervallis paribus intentorum"—which is not inaccurate, so far as it goes, but it's important to say that those intervals are perfect fifths, and to insert an adverb like usitate to signal "non semper"  because five-stringed violins exist. ¶ The sentence that was being translated is the definition in the English wiki: "The violin, also called a fiddle, is a string instrument, usually with four strings tuned in perfect fifths." ¶ Praeditus takes the bare ablative. What was grammatically wrong with quattuor nervis contentis praeditum '(provided) with four stretched strings'? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:44, 18 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Salve Iacobe, corrigere coepi quosdam errores minores, tum in participium participio subordinatum incidi. Quod certe, si fieri possit, evitandum est. Ad hoc autem nullum exemplum inveni, an "quinti" (vel aliud intervallum) cum praepositione "in" construatur. Ea est causa, cur hunc terminum multo exactiorem, dum fontem inveniam, suppresserim. Quoad chordarum numerum consentio interdum etiam quinque earum intendi. "Usitate" vero (quantum scio) magis ad intendendi modum spectat quam ad intendendum ipsum. Quod libenter retractabo. Intervallum ergo quod attinet sinas, fontem quaeram, constructionem autem cum "praeditum" factam, veniam des, quod geminationem declinare volui. Vale. Laurentianus (disputatio) 16:59, 18 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Quinti perfecti?

message: Laurentiane, thanks for trying to improve the style, but why did you cut from the bibliography:
*Bardfeld, Sam. Latin Violin. ISBN 0-9628467-7-5.
*Charlton, Jennifer A. 1985. Viols, Violins and Virginals. Ashmolean Museum. ISBN 0-907849-44-X.
*Dassenno, Flavio. 2004. Per gli occhi e 'l core: Strumenti musicali nell'arte.
*Hill, William Henry, Arthur F. Hill, et Alfred Ebsworth Hill. 1902, 1963. Antonio Stradivari, his life and work, 1644-1737. Dover Publications. OCLC 172278. ISBN 0-486-20425-1.
*Stowell, Robin. 1985. Violin Technique and Performance Practice in the Late 18th and Early 19th Centuries. Cantabrigiae: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-23279-1.
*Thede, Marion. 1970. The Fiddle Book. Oak Publications. ISBN 0-8256-0145-2.
They're all believed to be pertinent in the English wiki, whence they come. ¶ This is one of the 1000 most important pages, where Vicipaedia gains more credit the longer the texts are, so a substantial cut like this may noticeably reduce Vicipaedia's score. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:44, 18 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Aliter ac titulus indicare videatur, "Latin violin" est collectio quaedam omni valore encyclopaedico carens, quia ad solum spectat stilum particularem quendam. Similiter libri de Antonio Stradivario et de arte, qua violina circa annum 1800 lusa sit, non sunt de violina in genere, sed specialia tantum tractare videntur. Praeterea quid ista multitudo librorum Anglice scriptorum hic inspicientibus prosunt? Nonne plus valeat aliquot utcumque alienos tractatus adducere, dummodo Latine scripti sunt? Laurentianus (disputatio) 17:38, 18 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: :They're cited in the English wiki because their topics are mentioned—and should be mentioned—in a complete article on the violin. North American (at least) speakers of English know that a book named Latin Violin will actually be about the violin in Latin American music, a pertinent topic, since discussion of the use of the violin in various styles & genres (jazz, folk, pop, Latin, etc.) is welcome in such an article, as is discussion of the history of the instrument and its makers (Stradivarius, etc.). Bibliographies almost everywhere in Wikilandia cite works in modern languages. Perhaps it's not self-evident that striking out items that will eventually want to come back in works against progress, but that's a point that's not impossible to defend. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:29, 19 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Meditationes (fortasse inutiles) addo. Aestimatio Vicipaediae inter alias Wikipedias nobis interest, sed confectio commentationum bonarum magis interest! Hic habemus commentationem minimam, bibliographia longa ex alia Vicipaedia sumpta munitam. Certe alicui licet, si utilitas libri hic enumerati ad commentationem praesentem non evidens sit, removere; alicui etiam licet, cui utilitatem eiusdem libri futuram iam perspicit, textum augere ad utilitatem demonstrandam ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:35, 20 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliographia