lflage/wiki-talks huggingface dataset:
Disputatio:Quancheum

message: I took out the footnote that gave an alternative name "Crateva". This is the name of a botanical genus. Unless I'm mistaken, it is not based on a supposed name for Guangzhou but on the name of an ancient botanist, a predecessor of Dioscorides, Crateuas or "Cratevas". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:51, 10 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crateva
Disputatio:Leontyne Price

message: On changing Universitas Civica Media to Universitas Mediae Civitatis.—I thought we were using universitas civica for 'state university', and so then a centrally positioned one might be a universitas civica media. But wouldn't universitas mediae civitatis be 'university of the central state'? Can that be right? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:23, 28 Iunii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Civica ~ civitatis?
Disputatio:Mons Clarus (Nova Caesarea)

message: According to the English page (with sources cited) this name is really borrowed from French mont clair, and, sure enough, there is a view of the place from the top of a nearby forested hill. So our rules might allow us to translate the name, accepting "Mons Clarus". Any other views? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:33, 12 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: But no need for all this. I have found a biography in a recent thesis in Latin by a Kentucky student of Terence Tunberg. She had graduated at Montclair, or, as she puts it, "ornata Baccalaurea duplici Linguae Latinae et Studiorum Classicorum in universitate studiorum Montis Clari (vulgo Montclair), quae sita est in civitate Nova Caesarea". We have a source! I'll footnote it on the page. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:44, 12 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: :Bene repperisti! But in general, my understanding is that without a source we don't allow such translations. Some more striking examples are in the geography section of this article: Oppidum Rupis (Clifton), Ager Florum (Bloomfield), ?Oranium Orientale (East Orange)... Lesgles (disputatio) 15:42, 13 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Yes, it would have been a stretch ... as are those examples. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 22:07, 13 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Mons Gerhardi

message: ... after the corrections made by Iacobus. He forgot that there was no need to delete the embedded interwiki links: we can make links to the best article on any other wiki, while we have no article ourselves, using the "Creanda" formula. It's important to do it this way (and easy too) because this way, once we have the article, the link will be corrected by a bot. No need to overdo it: if the meaning of our Latin term is obvious, any user can easily find the equivalent article on another wiki. But in these two cases it really was useful, I think. 
I also added the interwiki link to this article at Wikidata.
The demonstration that we can get a street map is extremely useful. I ought to have tried it before. We will maybe find a way to incorporate that in a formula. Thank you! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:08, 17 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
PS: The name "Mons Gerardus" is not impossible (hence I asked for a source) but seems to me unlikely: "Mons Ger(h)ardi" would be much more likely. I bet there is a source somewhere.
The external links should have something more informative than "Quidam situs interretialis", which tells the reader nothing. It's quite OK to give the name of the website in its original language (Budapest Travel or whatever), because all Vicipaedians are necessarily bilingual or multilingual, and doing this tells them two things (1) it's a tourist website (2) it's in a specific language. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:31, 17 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Found a source now. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:12, 17 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  I edited a bit more ...
Disputatio:Balaenatio

message: Thinking about the whaling towns of Biscay (Getaria and Ghetary as cognates of cetaria) I quickly looked into names with "cetus" rather than "balaena", and came across various phrases:
*De modo piscando cetos et balaenas (ch. XV in Olai Magni Historia de gentibus septentrionalibus, 1555, although chapters XV-XXVI are all about whaling!)
*Captura cetorum (appears in Commentaries in Job and in a 14th-c. description of Greenland, and in this reference, I havent been able to trace fully 
*Captura seu venatio balaenarum in a German dictionary 
There are various terms we could use - I was just worried about the lack of a ref to balaenatio.--Xaverius 20:29, 20 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I found one, from your beloved medieval period! Thanks for making me look! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:47, 20 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen alium?
Disputatio:Lexicon Helvetiae historicum

message: ... to "Lexicon Helvetiae historicum". Maybe this name is slightly rougher than the other, but it corresponds to the Latin title of a relevant supplementary work published by the same institution: see footnote. On the other hand there may be evidence, which I haven't found, that the Lexikon prefers its Latin name to be otherwise, and that would be good reason to move again!
By our rules, if there is no existing source for a Latin name, we don't translate the name of a book, but we do translate the name of an institution that can be translated. I'm taking it that this is an institution (the fact that it acted as publisher of a different book, see above, shows that this is a tenable view). On the other hand, if we treat this as a book, given no sourced Latin title, we should use its vernacular title as our pagename ... problem: it has four different vernacular titles, all equal! So it's better not to follow that route. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:00, 25 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, my translation reflected the same logic and pattern as the name in the Romansh version: Lexicon istoric retic. Neander (disputatio) 18:36, 25 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: : ... while I found a Latin parallel (see my footnote); not conclusive, just the best I could manage. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:27, 25 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  I moved back ...
Disputatio:Berno Helgus Riise

message: Ad Berno Helgus Riise movendum est? Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 22:28, 26 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ita vero!--Xaverius 08:34, 27 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: de nomine
Disputatio:Lacus servorum maior

message: "Lacum servorum" apud fontem botanicum repperi . Eo auctori ut videtur nomen simplex sine adiectivo idoneum fuit. De parvo lacu servorum nihil aut pauca  dicuntur. Movenda? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:37, 30 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In hac dissertatione, quae in pagina de Lacu Ursi magno citatur, p. 34. ambo sunt, Lacus servorum maior et minor (Lesser Slave Lake).

text: Mihi aliud dubium videtur: Lacus Ursi magni in illa dissertatione Arnoldi Guyot dicitur, in «fonte», sed Great Bear Lake — Lacus Ursi magnus (vel maior), non lacus alicuius ursi magni... Great Bear River — Flumen Ursi magnum, non Ursi magni. Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 19:49, 30 Novembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomen
Disputatio:Ursula de Leyen

message: Maybe I should not ask it here but the word order here: 'est femina in rebus publicis versat' not rather 'femina in rebus publicis versat EST'? Thanks. Kapeter77 (disputatio) 15:21, 1 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This question was first raised here a decade or more ago. Study of Cicero's prose suggested that the canonical form in independent clauses (as in Vicipaedia's definitions) should be "A est B," with a form of sum tending to go at the ends only of dependent clauses ("quod C est"). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:31, 1 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: :That said, "est femina in rebus publicis versata" seems wordy; maybe "est politica" would suffice. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:37, 1 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Gratia :-)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: Vide Disputatio:Wernherus von Braun. Hic "de Leyen" scribimus quia fons rite citatus ita iam scripserat. Fontes Latinitatis vivae (etsi fidelitatis dubiae) nobis placent. Inter omnes inconsequentias encyclopaediae nostrae, hanc pondere minimo aestimo :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:49, 30 Martii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  De particulo
Disputatio:Fabella puerilis

message: Etiam si "fairy tale, cuento de hadas, сontos de fadas" ad litteram vertamus, "fabula fadarum" nec unius fadae sit. Aliae linguae nullas fadas in nomine huius generis litterarum habent; mihi "fabula miraculosa" e Francogallico "conte merveilleux" sumpta maxime placet (nam clarior et promptior ad distinguendum videtur), sed fontibus et illa caret. Nescio, an ad "fabula fadarum" cum nota  pagina movenda sit. Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 16:06, 2 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fontem bonum habemus pro fabella puerile. Censeo ad nomen attestatum paginam esse movendam.--Xaverius 17:32, 2 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: De fadis
Disputatio:Carolus Spurgeon

message: Thanks for the links (I was going to look up the maritime alps this morning), but no, Particular Baptists aren't plain old baptists (en: "The Particular Baptists arose in England in the 17th century and took their name from the doctrine of particular redemption"), and so they need their own name (whether an article on them is forthcoming or not), and Baptists in general should probably link to Baptistae, not to baptismus. ¶ By the way, is my secta the best term for 'religious denomination'? Vicipaedia needs to have an article for it, as that topic is one of the 10,000 most important ones listed at Meta. The English wikipedia has separate articles: Religious denomination and Sect. Should these become Secta religiosa and Secta, respectively? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:40, 5 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, mea culpa! My inexpert thought (encouraged by a few difficulties of expression in the text) was that all types of Baptists can be subsumed under baptismus, but I readily stand corrected. ¶ Yes, we need a general article on secta. ¶ By the way, ne mireris, I took ordo beneficialis from lexicon Vilborgianum. Neander (disputatio) 14:59, 5 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: :Yes, we've occasionally noticed that Vilborg supplies names for modern concepts that Traupman lacks. Please keep them coming! :D IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:08, 5 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: ::I confess (no pun intended) to being linguistically biased, but what comes to my mind is "confessio religiosa", just like Austrian Lutherans call themselves Evangelische Kirche Augsburgischen Bekenntnisses (Ecclesia evangelica Confessionis Augustanae). I'm not necessarily against "secta", but we should then first clarify how we distinguish that from a sect, which in many languages now has a specific and negative undertone (:fr:secte, :de:Sekte). Sigur (disputatio) 15:25, 5 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: :::For "sect," French, German, and Spanish have secte, Sekte, and secta, respectively. For "religious denomination," the idea of a confession seems common to German, Italian, and Esperanto, whereas French has Dénomination religieuse and Spanish has Denominación religiosa, but we almost certainly should avoid denominatio, respecting as much as possible the activity implied by the tio(n) suffix, which for denominatio would give us 'a denominating, a naming.' IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:48, 5 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen eius sectae
Disputatio:Lacus Ursi magni

message: How did this get renamed to Lacus Ursi magni ? The cited source probably interpreted the name wrong: Big Bear Lake means 'big lake of bear(s)', not 'lake of big bear(s)'. French Grand Lac de l'Ours (attested all over the place), Italian Grande Lago degli Orsi, and Spanish Gran Lago del Oso corroborate this. If not Magnus Ursi/Ursorum Lacus, how about Magnus Lacus Ursinus ? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 04:24, 5 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Lacus Ursi magni exemplum est bonum, quomodo vertendum non sit, et mea opinione, si sine ullo dubio lapsum interpretis habemus, corrigere possumus. Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 18:25, 8 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Lemma
Disputatio:Iussu esocis

message: De: "'Iussu esocis<ref>Cf, "iussu regis, iussu imperatoris".</ref>" Ergo Esox est rex? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:12, 5 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
* In hac fabula esox potentior est, quam rex. Rex nihil contra Aemilianum facere potest. Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 15:16, 5 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Esox
Disputatio:Petrus Čajkovskij

message: Nucifrangibulum (cum littera N) in Cassell's (1968); etiam in Traupman (2007). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 23:59, 6 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sic, in Oxford Latin Dictionary idem. Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 10:42, 7 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Nucifragibulum
Disputatio:HTML

message: Nomen latinum: Lingua annotationis hypertextualis. 170.64.214.179 15:26, 30 Martii 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Necesse erit fontem huius nominis citare, mea mente. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:50, 30 Martii 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: : Concordo. Et primum sit nobis nomen Latinum locutionis Anglicae “markup language” inveniendum (“lingua annotationis” non est bona interpretatio). Fortasse “lingua typographica”?. --Grufo (disputatio) 23:37, 30 Martii 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rediregemus haec pagina ad [[Lingua annotationis hypertextualis|Linguam annotationis hypertextualis]]?
Disputatio:Diabolus

message: Quid significat "A pictura in maculata vitrum fenestra diaboli"? Anglice sic fortasse videtur: 'From a painting/picture in a spotted/blotched/stained window, a glass, of a devil'. 'Depicted in a (stained) glass window' can simply be in fenestra vitrea depictus, as was written (though in different word order) in 1730. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 18:06, 11 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictura
Disputatio:Picaria

message: De categoriis celatis "Pages with maps": ubi sunt tabulae? Non videntur. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:17, 18 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In capsa Vicidatorum latet, "tabula et despectus". Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 15:49, 18 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Categoriae celatae?
Disputatio:Fradique de Menezes

message: I don't think he was at the (Dutch-speaking) VUB, but if someone found the date of his diploma (before or after 1970), we could put him into the proper category. I haven't found. Sigur (disputatio) 20:05, 20 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The French Wiki says/implies that he studied there in French as part of his youthful studies (he was born in 1942), hence probably before 1970. We should assume that, I think, unless other information is found. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:24, 20 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: :It sounds like that, but e.g. here you can read that he did not only attend secondary school in Portugal but went on to study psychology there, before studying in Brussels.  That's why I'm not really certain he finished in Brussels before 1970, although it's still probable.  If you move him to the subcategory, I won't object, however. Sigur (disputatio) 20:42, 20 Decembris 2019 (UTC)

text: I'll try that. It's still open to anyone who finds a source to correct if necessary. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:41, 21 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumnus
Disputatio Categoriae:Loci habitati Antarcticae

message: Quamvis nonnullae stationes Antarcticae continue habitantur, non sunt tales loci habitati, ut in continentibus aliis. Stationes Antarcticae categoriam creavi, hanc delendam esse suspicio.  Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 01:01, 26 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Si locum definitum habent, sunt "Loci". Si continue habitantur, sunt "Loci habitati". Categorias "Loci ..." et "Loci habitati  ..." omnium orbis terrarum partium creavi quia hoc modo omnes punctos modo geographico definibiles reperire possumus. Multas categorias antiquiores, usque eo imcompatibiles, eo modo in unum categoriarum arborem coegi. Melius est ambas categorias retinere etiamsi Antarctica nostro tempore aegre habitatur. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:37, 26 Decembris 2019 (UTC)

text: Ergo categoriam tuam (certe utilem) sub "Locis habitatis ..." comprehendi, sed, si malis sub "Locis ..." ponere, nihil de habitatione dicto, move s.t.p. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:45, 26 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: : Bene, ita sit. Stationes polares Antarcticae locum definitum habent et loci habitati sunt. De stationibus polaribus Arcticis, quae cum glacie natant, :en:Drifting ice stations, cogitabam et ideo dubitabam, sed eae nondum in Vicipaedia Latina memorantur. Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 21:26, 26 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Etiam ego de eis casubus cogitabam ... Loci? Naves? Quomodo definire?! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:57, 27 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: ?
Disputatio:Iairus Bolsonaro

message: Nomen Jair sive Jaïr mihi nomen hebraicum esse paret. In Bibliis Vulgatis (Mc 5;22) formam Latinam "Iairus" invenimus. Itaque motionem paginae ad "Iairus Bolsonaro" propono. Bis-Taurinus (disputatio) 12:40, 27 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Id nescivi! Moveamus Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:50, 27 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Jair -->Iairus
Disputatio:Sivaismus

message: Fons datus nomini "Sivus" etiam adiectivum "Siviticum" habet. Igitur propono lemma "Traditio Sivitica". Sigur (disputatio) 15:26, 31 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
"Sivaismus" reperri. Sigur (disputatio) 15:34, 31 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Rem bene repertam! (Litterae Sh pro Ś egomet dubito.) Sed quid putant alii? Mox habebimus etiam commentarium de Shaktismo e Śāktaḥ vocabulo Sanscritico. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:41, 31 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: :"Saktismus" in lingua Theodisca et Saktismo in lingua Italiana invenitur. Sigur (disputatio) 16:10, 31 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: ::"Sivaismus" mihi paulo melius sonat. In translitteratione nominum Indicorum "Sh" habitudo popularis Anglo-Indorum, "Ś" usus scientificus est: unde Latine "S" derivare possumus. Insuper "Siva-" a lectoribus pluribus facilius quam "Shaiva-" interpretatur. Si ergo fontem habemus verbi "Sivaismus", optime, mea mente: accipere oportet. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:28, 31 Decembris 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lemma
Disputatio:Linea (mathematica)

message: Nexus interviciales (droite, Gerade, retta, recta, ευθεία ) non de linea, sed de recta vel linea recta hoc loco dicunt. In pagina Anglica, si non titulum, sed lineas primas legamus, item de straight line nec de line dicitur. Nescio, an hic de recta scribendum est, de linea in toto ad Vicidatum Q16329551, ubi nunc Graeca γραμμή (linea) sola sita est (vel discretiva hic). Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 16:51, 1 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Recta?
Disputatio:Andronicus Angelus

message: Et Latine legitur, non per se.  The personage I want to reference is found here: https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronicus_Angelus but that person is not Andronikos Doukas Angelos. It seems there is a redirect that prevents the la.wikipedia article from being found in a Wikipedia search for Andronicus Angelus. A Google search is the only way I have discovered to get around this Wikipedia redirect. Klarm768 (disputatio) 09:09, 5 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The link you give leads to the page attached to this talk page. This seems to me to be the same person who is called on en:wiki (and at Medlands) :en:Andronikos Doukas Angelos, so it seems to me the pages are correctly linked. On what grounds do you say this person "is not Andronikos Doukas Angelos"?

text: I don't see what difficulty there is in finding this page. If I put Andronicus Angelus into the search box, this is the page I find. I'm not doubting that you have really seen a problem, but I don't yet see what the problem is. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:54, 5 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: :Incidentally, "Et Latine legitur, non per se" means "It is also read in Latin, not with/through itself". But I'm afraid that doesn't help much :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:12, 5 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikidata link?
Disputatio:Ostrea

message: I changed this into a genus page because the preceding version, evidently a translation from English, said that "ostrea" is the common name for bivalves of several families. No source was cited for the claim and I don't believe it's true. "Oyster" is said to be the common name for bivalves of several families, and maybe it is, but that's a different claim, and I can't think of any Latin equivalent for this English use of "oyster" unless it might be "conchylium" ... But then "conchylium" had better not be linked with English "oyster" because it does better as an equivalent for "seafood", one of the 10,000. That was my thinking, anyway. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:33, 5 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I see from the history that when first written this page (as equivalent to English "oyster") was destined to be among the 10,000. It isn't in the 10,000 now: perhaps "seafood", our "conchylium", took its place. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:58, 5 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: :Possibly. In any case, the list of 10,000 is an imperfect instrument, and any respectable encyclopedia should have an article on oysters! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:43, 5 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Thanks for your reply. Don't worry, I seem to be temporarily fixated on the human pursuit of oysters (and tuna) and will ensure full coverage! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:52, 8 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  De nomine et definitione
Disputatio:Conventus Hiberniae Septentrionalis

message: I can see the logic of applying comitia to a deliberating assembly, but we pretty consistently use it for election, and I think we should stick to that and not use it for something else without necessity.
I think this page should be Conventus Hiberniae Septentrionalis; this wasn't only my first idea of a straightforward translation of Northern Ireland Assembly, there are already redlinks to it in Britanniarum regnum and Formula:Ductores factionum Britannici (while there is only one link to the present lemma). Sigur (disputatio) 18:34, 10 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lemma
Disputatio:Conventus Parlamentarius Consilii Europae

message: I can't help but reading "Assembly of the Parliament of the Council of Europe" out of the current lemma, and that sounds a bit silly. I suggest "Conventus Parlamentarius Consilii Europae" which would be a straightforward translation of "Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe". The adjective "parlamentarius" sounds quite right to me, and I've found it not only several times in here (e.g. Respublica parlamentaria) but also outside Vicipaedia (e.g. here and as in baro parlamentarius); however the form "parlamentaris" seems to exist as well (e.g. Legatus parlamentaris, look for the accusative in Google Books and find it confirmed (after scrolling over the German and Portuguese), so I'm open to both forms. Sigur (disputatio) 23:31, 11 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
*Tibi assentio, moveas! Bis-Taurinus (disputatio) 23:50, 11 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lemma
Disputatio Categoriae:Scholae Europaeae Bruxellenses

message: There are currently four "European Schools" in Brussels (even though in von der Leyen's and Johnson's school days, it may well only have been one). Shouldn't we turn the lemma into the plural, so that we don't need to distinguish between those schools? In some cases, it may even be difficult to check which exact school somebody has attended. Sigur (disputatio) 00:15, 12 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I never thought of using the plural. I think that's a good idea. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:31, 12 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lemma (singular or plural)