lflage/wiki-talks huggingface dataset:
Disputatio:Denverium (Coloratum)

message: Cur "Denverium" es motum "Denverium (Coloratum)"? "Denverium" es non ambiguus. Kennercat 17:18, 15 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Revera? Denverium est vicus in Britannia, vicus in Nova Scotia, urbs in Colorato, et vicus in Carolina Septentrionali, Illinoesia, Indiana, Iova, Missuria, Ohio, Pennsilvania, et Virginia Occidentali; etiam sunt Urbs Denverium in Texia et municipia Denverium in Comitatu Isabella Michiganiae, in Comitatu Newaygo Michiganiae, in Minnesota, et in Dacota Septentrionali. Quale Denverium est Denverium? :) IacobusAmor 17:24, 15 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Vicipaediae non Latinae utimur "Denver", non "Denver (Colorado)". Kennercat 03:59, 6 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cur?
Disputatio:Nüwa

message: Propono movere hac pagina ad Nywam, quod littera Graecia 'y' similis 'ü' PinYinis Mandarincae. Qui representare in abecedario Latino sine diacritiis potest síc debet.VNNS 04:10, 19 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Abnuo. Ad scripturas non Latinas repraesentandas translitterationibus internationalibus (si sint) utimur: igitur in linguam Sinensem pinyin. Ob hanc rationem y minime accipiendum est. Possumus, secundum regulas nostras, titulum paginae "Nuwa" (sine diacriticis) praefixare, sed fortasse melius sit retinere distinctionem pinyin inter u et ü. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:31, 19 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nüwa -> Nywa
Disputatio:Nexus

message: Estne fons pro verbo nexus? Ut comparetur cum verbo hypertextus (si hoc verbum rectum est ... ?), forsitan paginam appellare hypernexus (cf. Anglice hyperlink, etc) debeamus. Nexus appellatio igitur 'vulgaris' sit (sicut Anglice link). Quid putatis? Mattie 18:55, 19 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  De nomine
Disputatio Categoriae:Animalia domesticata

message: Why is the name of this category Animalia domesticata instead of Animalia domestica? According to Cassell's, domestica = 'belonging to the house or the family, domestic', and there doesn't seem to be a verb domesticare, from which domesticatus, -a, -um can derive. :/ IacobusAmor 13:24, 20 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I didn't reply on this: didn't see it till now. To me (rightly or wrongly) there's a big difference between domestic and domesticated, and Cassell's well expresses one half of that difference. "Domesticus" means belonging to the house. Domestic animals (in my English usage) include cats, dogs and other household pets. However, that category of animals has been dealt with on Vicipaedia with the adjective dilecta, so (in my English usage) a category for "domestic animals" wasn't needed. What was needed was a category for "domesticated animals". To borrow the definition on the English page :en:List of domesticated animals, to fall under this category "a population of animals must have their behavior, life cycle, or physiology systemically altered as a result of being under human control for many generations." That's a very important category, stretching as it does from elephants to bees. Domestic animals might be seen as a subset of it, but definitely not coterminous. So, to me, the question was: what do we call "domesticated animals" in Latin? Definitely not "domestica", I thought: that has a different meaning. Unable to call to mind any better Latin term for this concept, I adopted very late Latin "domesticatus -a -um < domesticare" (according to some etymologists, the English word derives from this late Latin form, but I haven't verified further). As with all our pages, it's open to anyone to suggest a better word. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:43, 4 Novembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Conventio contra Torturam, alteram Atrocem, Inhumanam seu Humiliantem Tractationem seu Poenam

message: Secundum Cassell's, Anglicum torture Latine est tormentum (usitate pl., tormenta, -orum), cruciatus (-us), et carnificina. IacobusAmor 14:05, 21 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Pro United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, vide:
replies: text: :of the United Nations = Consociationis Nationum

text: :convention = foedus, pactio, pactum

text: :against = contra, adversus, in (+ acc.)

text: :torture = tormenta, cruciatus, carnificina

text: :other = alius

text: :mistreatment, unkind treatment = saevitia

text: :punishment = castigatio, animadversio

text: :cruel = crudelis, saevus, atrox

text: :inhuman = inhumanus, immanis, crudelis

text: :degrading = indignus, indecorus

text: Dictionarium quidem est noster amicus! IacobusAmor 14:16, 21 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Conventio internationalis de abroganda omniformi discriminatione rassistica

message: De "International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination":
replies: text: abrogatio = 'annulling, repealing (of a law)'

text: convention = foedus, pactio, pactum

text: elimination = eradication = exstinctio, exstirpatio

text: racial = phyleticus

text: discrimination = distinctio, discrimen
&c. IacobusAmor 14:43, 21 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Bit

message: Puto verbum "Bitus" melius "bit" esse, cum "bit" verbum non versum sit.
replies: text: Abbreviationes (sicut bit, midi, aids &c) non solemus declinare. Itaque ad bit moveatur. Neander 17:32, 23 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
 Programmers will hate us for having an indeclinable bit. In my opinion we should move this page to bitus. --Grufo (disputatio) 17:52, 17 Maii 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bit vs Bitus 

message: Vocabulum esse declinabile oportet, quia casibus obliquis vel forma plurali adhiberi solet. --Grufo (disputatio) 16:07, 18 Septembris 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Die 18 Septembris 2023 — Estne haec pagina ad “[[Bitus]]” movenda?
Disputatio:LiveJournal

message: Eek, non mihi videtur decens nexus ad ephemerides dare privatas. Mattie 22:52, 25 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Rarissime id facimus, sed fortasse in hoc contextu oportet ... cur non? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:36, 26 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ita, si sunt publicae, sunt publicae ... Forsitan melius sit hos nexus ut exempla habere in notisne? I.e. "Apud LiveJournal aliqua blog Latine plene scribuntur< ref>Exempli gratia http://heu-amo-te.livejournal.com/ etc</ref> et aliqua ex parte Latine scribuntur< ref>Exempli gratia blahblahblah</ref>. This would seem more 'encyclopedic' to me, without losing any of the information we've got right now.

text: :Also, for the Latin comms at LJ - we could do the same (although I personally have no objection to the way it is right now): "... et 'communitates' Latine< ref> [comms]</ref>." Mattie 16:27, 26 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ephemerides Latine Scriptae"
Disputatio Categoriae:Continentes historici

message: Sorry if that sounds like sacrilege. Sed hic sunt "continentes praehistorici", minime "historici". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:20, 26 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. One wonders how & why the English wikipedia happened on "historical continents." Perhaps geologists don't abound in the wikiworld. One can certainly detect their absence in the thinness of Vicipaedia's geological articles & categories; but similarly, the English wiki has geological articles so amorphous as to lack lemmata (for example, :en:Iberian plate and :en:Geology of Wales). IacobusAmor 16:58, 26 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The English are wrong
Disputatio Categoriae:Continentes

message: :Categoria:Orbis terrarum pars is fine for a category that includes all sorts of partes (which most readers will assume to be continents, oceans, islands, mountains, straits, rocks, caves, lakes, fens, bogs, dens, and maybe even Milton's shades of death), but there ought to be a category just for the continents. IacobusAmor 17:34, 26 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not fine in itself, of course, because secundum morem vicipaedianum it should be :Categoria:Orbis terrarum partes. IacobusAmor 17:34, 26 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Vicipaediae necesse est :Categoria:Supercontinentes quoque habere. IacobusAmor 17:43, 26 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Ergo eam creavimus. IacobusAmor 17:47, 26 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:C-command

message: Iosci, dubito, an arbor tua filias et filiolas exponens rem ipsam apprehendat. Cum "c-command" affinitate advocatá definire vis (quod satis rectum mihi videtur), fac respicias, quid affinitas reapse significet. Modestinus iuris peritus haec fere de affinitate dixit: "Adfines dicuntur viri et uxoris cognati. Adfinium autem nomina sunt socer, socrus, gener, nurus, noverca, vitricius, privignus, privigna, glos, levir..." (Dig. 38.10.4) etc. Itaque affinitas videtur esse relatio matrimonialis. Si vero "c-command" alias quoque relationes comprehendat ac solum syntacticas, valde gaudeam (quamquam syntaxis Chomskianae proprium esse videtur de se sola dicere, item ac in mathematica quoque res se habent). Neander 16:18, 27 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Gratias, mi Neander. Etiam Traupvir notat affinitatem esse matrimonialem.

text: cognatione non malim uti in rebus linguistics, cum de verbis cognatis solemus dicere; consanguinitas mihi videtur nimis ad corpora viva spectare; relatio sensu classico non satisficit. Fortasse ergo comparatio? -- Ioscius  ∞ 17:06, 27 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Coniunctio ? ¶ 'In syntax, c-command is a relationship between nodes in parse trees' = C-command in syntaxi est cuniunctio nodorum arborum explicationis ? IacobusAmor 17:21, 27 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Non sum fautor simplicitatis lemmatis Anglici. Sunt multae coniunctiones, c-command est una ex multis praecipua. Praeterea te notabis nexum :en:Parse tree redirigere ad :en:Concrete syntax tree. Fortasse oportet et nos habere ambo Arbor syntactica concreta et Arbor syntactica abstracta.-- Ioscius  ∞ 17:31, 27 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: affinitas
Disputatio:Proelium Lepanthinum

message: Proelium Lepanthinum in fonte qui est indicatus in nota non inveni. --Alex1011 18:16, 27 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Neque ego, Alex. Reperio "Lepanthum: vide Naupactus" in ordine alphabetico ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:04, 27 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Ita est. Nunc "pugnam Lepantinam" alio loco inveni. Alex1011 20:38, 27 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proelium Lepanthinum
Disputatio:Triumphus Gnaei Manlii Vulsonis (186 a.C.n.)

message: Si recte interpretavi id quod Livius dicit, una cum restitutionibus "Fastorum Capitolinorum" (et si accipimus annos nostros mense Ianuario inceptos), triumphus celebratur mense Martio 186 a.C.n. Mary Beard autem dicit 187 a.C.n. Quid dicit auctor apud Pauly-Wissowa, nescio. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:54, 28 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  De anno
Disputatio:Tarantella

message: "Folkloricis" est aglicismum (Satis est english !!!). Ego scripsi "popularum" ex verbo latino: popularis - is ! --- Vuott, 29:24, 29 Septembris 2010
replies: text: OK, sed in ethnomusicologia, folk music et popular music sunt res dissimilissimae. ¶ Folclórica est verbum Hispanicum; folklorique, Francicum. IacobusAmor 12:08, 29 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
Aliqui ethnomusicologi de justa locutione etiam hodie disputant adsignanda.
(In me voco illam: "Musica (aut Saltatio) agro-pastoralis tradita").
Utcumque, in animo meo ut verbum a te electum verear, cum "folkloricis" bonum neologismum esse potest." --- Vuott 16:47 29 Septembris 2010
thread_title: Res folkloricae

message: In quo loco Bloombury Musicae glossarium rytmo 18/8 tarantellam audivit ? --- Vuott 11:26 30 Septembris 2010
P. D. Morehead, Bloombury Dictionary of Music (Londini: Bloombury, 1992) et Willi Apel, Harvard Dictionary of Music non sunt aurum purum colatum !!! --- Vuott 14:16 5 octobris 2010
thread_title: Alia

message: Categorias "rubras" pro tempore retraxi; "caeruleas" restitui. Alias addere possumus quando creavimus. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:27, 5 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categoriae
Disputatio:Tympanum

message: Tympanum etiam = Anglicum 'tambourine'. IacobusAmor 11:55, 29 Septembris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Definitio

message: :: Hanc partem e pagina Disputatio:Cymbalum transtuli. --UV 20:57, 14 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
Habet commentarius fontem definitionis quae hoc instrumentum appellat membranophonum? Instrumentum in commentarii fasciculo depictum videtur res Anglice appellata 'tambourine', Francice tambour de Basque, Hispanice panderete, Italiane tamburino, et Theodisce Schellentrommel. ¶ Secundum Dominum du Cange, cymbalum est idiophonum, "Campana, qua Monachi cientur ad refectorium," et "parvum tympanum" fortasse ut commentarius nunc describit est tympaniola. Secundum Morgan quoque, cymbalum est idiophonum, sed "discus ex aurichalco," qui Anglice est 'cymbal' (non 'tambourine'), et instrumentum Anglice 'tambourine' appellatum Latine est tympaniolum et tamburum. Secundum Cassell's, Latinum cymbalum Anglice est 'cymbal',' et Anglicum 'tambourine' Latine est tympanum. Secundum White's quoque, Latinum cymbalum Anglice est 'cymbal', et Anglicum 'tambourine' Latine est tympanum (ut adfirmat Caesar), et parvum exemplum Latine recentiore est tympaniolum. Secundum Ainsworth's, cymbalum Anglice est 'A cymbal' vel 'musical instrument of brass'; item 'a pipe in water-engines, to make music'. Harvard Dictionary of Music verbum cymbalum sic definit: "In the Middle Ages, a small bell. Such bells were made in graded sizes, from four to eight, and hung on  a frame to be used as chimes. They were also called nolae, campanae, and tintinnabula. Various writers give detailed prescriptions for the amount of metal to be used for each bell. See J. Smits van Waesberghe, Cymbala (Bells in the Middle Ages) (1951)." ¶ Nomina instrumentorum musicorum sunt incertissima! IacobusAmor 11:39, 7 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Corbin Bleu

message: Nomen verum ejus Anthonny non Corbin.
Actu suo Nomen verum Corbin. Anthony vocabulum eius admodum fama.
listen nomen eius naturalis reviers Corbin Bleu. --94.98.172.240 02:34, 1 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name mentitum 

message: :I'm deleting the new material. For information, translation programs are unable currently to produce acceptable text in any language: that's what human beings are for. I'm protecting the page for now, to save further waste of time. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:08, 1 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :It's been protected for half a year now, maybe try unprotection again? - Andre Engels 16:55, 15 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Thanks Andre, we tried, but the infantile edits just start all over again. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:13, 22 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Res 

message: There is a problem in this article, I hope Exemption for this article, so that he could, the bot user to add other languages. That you want to protect from vandalism in this article, make protection Formula:Semi-protecta. Thanks. --77.30.58.44 08:31, 29 Maii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not vandalism, it's just childish timewasting. I've de-protected and we'll see whether it starts up again. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:57, 16 Iulii 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: :I fix this article. Change such as a picture, and sources. Best Regards. --M.Sunshine (disputatio) 17:24, 16 Iulii 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the protection of this article 

message: Corbin = Corvinus ut Matthias Corvinus?--Xaverius 08:42, 4 Iunii 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: De nomine
Disputatio:Mexicopolis

message: Si textum quem delevi legere vis, historiam huius disputationis inspice. Nulla lingua scriptus sed a translatro automatico ut videtur confectus est. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:04, 10 Decembris 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versio deleta 

message: Since the system multiplies Latin texts by 1.1, the 9718 octeti established this morning should push the text over the 10,000 line to gain 0.03 more points in the 1000-pages list. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:54, 3 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: More points!
Disputatio:Mercimonium

message: haec pagina delenda est quia conceptum hic discriptum iam Latine recte redditur ab mercede pagina. Mercimonia autem alteram rem quam hic discreptam dicit.--208.43.66.154 10:38, 4 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Pagina iam deleta est.--123.192.64.184 16:25, 4 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  de pagina cui nomen "Mercimonia" prave erat
Disputatio:Claramella

message: Si commentarius recte docet ("Nomen 'ciaramella' videtur e sero verbo latino 'calamellus' derivavisse"), nomen Latinum est claramella, non ciaramella. Hi soni Italiani /kja/ ex sonis Latinis /kla/ deducuntur. Similiter, soni Italini /fi/ in Firenze ex Latinis /fl/ in Florentia. IacobusAmor
replies: text: Vero /kja/ a /kla/ saepe derivatur, sed, nisi fallor, apud Italianos 'cia' ut in 'ciaramella' non /kja/ indicat, sed /tʃa/ — cum /kja/ volunt, 'chia' scribunt.  'Cia' a fontibus diversis derivatur (cf. 'ciabatta', cum Hisp. 'zapato' et Fr-Gall. 'savate' cognatum).  Googlando inveni 'ciaramella' et 'cialamella' Latine in hoc libro.  —Mucius Tever 22:16, 6 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :(Sed 'calamella'/'can(n)amella/' et 'calamaula' frequentius reperiuntur; cf  et .)  —Mucius Tever 22:44, 6 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
Volui musicum aerophonum traditionis agro-pastoralis in Italia describere, quod pastores utuntur cum  zampogna, et cui nomen est Ciaramella et non claramella. --- [[Vuott] 18:14 4 octobris 2010
Lectoribus necesse est certiores fieri ut in ambitu musicae traditionis italianae agro-pastoralis nomen verum sit: cia-ramella !  Transmutatio in cLaramella effecta est propter auctum ac nimium studium et maniam vicipedianum torquendorum ad latinum nominorum non antiquorum aut non latinorum. --- Vuott 11:55 5 octobris 2010
<< Si commentarius recte docet...>>... putasne me ineptias et falsa scribere ??? --- Vuott 16:29 5 octobris 2010
thread_title: Nomen
Disputatio:Vestigium (linguistica)

message: Having trouble thinking of a good example where traces make a big deal like they do in English. Traces don't affect contraction in Latin, and the word order is so flexible you don't notice trace effects within clauses so much. Anybody? -- Ioscius  ∞ 22:15, 5 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: example
Disputatio:Zampogna

message: N.B.: zampogna in appellatione aetatis aureae ut videtur enuntianda est [zam-póg-na]. IacobusAmor 14:05, 6 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
...sed "zampogna" et "sampogna" sunt nomina quae instrumento a medioaevo fuēre. Dictio, appellatio itaque eius est: "zam-po-gna" et "sam-po-gna". Dicitur instrumenti nomen "utriculus" latinitate et postea "simpona" (e byzantino "syn-phoné") fuisse. Sed illae 'opiniones' cultorum adhuc sunt. Cur pertinaciter vis nomen non latinum torquere ? --- Vuott 17:13 6 octobris 2010
thread_title: Appellatio
Disputatio:Antillae Nederlandenses

message: Habent hae insulae proprium nomen Latinum? Ainsworth's ait "lee" est locus caeli et ventorum iniuriá tutus. Pro tempore, nominibus utimur Antilles Tutae et Insulae Tutae. IacobusAmor 11:55, 11 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Verba Latina nondum repperi. Notandum est "Leeward Antilles" perpaucas citationes Google merere (~ 4000): est fortasse neologismus? Sed nomen "Leeward Islands" latissime recognoscitur (~ 4000000). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:43, 11 Octobris 2010 (UTC)

text: Windward (adv.) = "contra ventum" (cf. sententiam perutilem "Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit"). Leeward (adv.) = "subter ventum", cf. Catalane sotavent > Hisp. sotavento > Fr. sous-le-vent etc. Verba adiectiva Latina hucusque non repperi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:53, 11 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomina ''Leeward Antilles'' et ''Leeward Islands''
Disputatio:Stephanus I (rex Hungariae)

message: In matrimonium duxit:
 *Sanctus Emericus (1007-1031)
! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:53, 17 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :-)--Martinus Poeta Juvenis 15:05, 17 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Textum removi
Disputatio:Nagasacum

message: ;Cupiditas novas iaponiam ducit ad bellos cum Sericis anno 1895 et Sarmata anno 1905.
replies: text: The new ambitions of Japan led them to war with China in 1895 and Russia in 1905.--Jondel 08:30, 18 Octobris 2010 (UTC)

text: tunc cupiditates novas Iaponiam ad bellos cumm Sericis anno 1895 et Sarmata anno 1905 duxerunt, nam cupiditas, -is et ergo nominativus pluralis cupiditates et vebum plurale duxERUNT--62.202.2.151 08:41, 18 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Fas es. Me dolet errantium. Gratias vero ago.--Jondel 08:54, 18 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Cassell's says 'ambition' is gloria or laudis studium or contentio honorum ; and in any event, cupiditates novas is accusative, but you want the nominative, novae cupiditates. However, the structure of the English may not appeal to the Latin mind, and it might be better to translate as if the original had a different construction, maybe something more like "The Japanese, newly desirous of glory, waged war against the Chinese in 1895 and the Russians in 1905." IacobusAmor 12:03, 18 Octobris 2010 (UTC)
No! I see ambition in Traupman, please stop complicating things Iacobus.--Jondel (disputatio) 08:07, 6 Iulii 2016 (UTC)

text: Come on, there's something in what he says. In this kind of context English freely uses abstract nouns and makes them subjects of verbs of action. In translating we can, and probably should, be more concrete.

text: "I see ambition in Traupman" is nicely ambiguous. I see ambition in Theresia May. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:27, 6 Iulii 2016 (UTC)
Forgive me if I seem a bit crass. It seems that the sense in the context is 'desire(for more land and resources)' not in the sence of personal glory or praise or honor(eg to become the president etc). 'Cupiditas' covers the meanings for these desires.  Quod opinaris?--Jondel (disputatio) 08:51, 6 Iulii 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: nova=>novas