ノート:プレーク・ピブーンソンクラーム

message: :::こんにちは. Sorry to trouble you, but I really would like to know where exactly did you get the fact that プレークの父は華人である, and that his family was originally 林姓. 調和Wikipedia:出典を明記する#出典の示し方, you have to specifically pinpoint to which page did you get from which book that Plaek is part Chinese. Yes, you did add four reference books, but I really need you to pinpoint as to which page did you get the source. Basically, I find this point really dubious and I can't find sources elsewhere stating his Chinese ancestry, and thus this point is highly contentious, and thus very specific sources are needed for securing the disputability of these points. I certainly appreciate your efforts, and hope to hear from you soon. ありがとう. (から :利用者‐会話:あなん). Mr Tan 2007年6月23日 (土) 09:39 (UTC)
replies: text: そもそも、ピンポイントで出典を書かなければならない決まりは今の所、JAWPにはありません。そもそも、ピブーンが中国系なのは出典が要らないぐらい基礎知識なのですが...--あなん 2007年6月23日 (土) 13:51 (UTC)
As I have stated, this point is highly disputable as there are very few other sources, if any on his ancestry and I therefore demand a specific source not only with the book 出典 but also the 頁数. The books you cited are still too general to give a strong citation for this particular point on his ancestry, and since you are the one who provided the book citations I believe you are the only person that can help. And for this Wikipedia:出典を明記する#出典の示し方の規則, the rules are more or less the same as with all other wikipedias. 
If you want to know why I am asking for the specific page citation, perhaps you can also look up :en:User talk:Patiwat#Plaek Pibulsonggram's ancestry. We have evaluated that it is crucial for a specific citation for this particular point. Mr Tan 2007年6月24日 (日) 04:35 (UTC)

text: 正直どうでもいいですよ、ピブーンが華人だろうがそうでなかろうが。はっきり言ってタイ人の有名人で中国人の子孫なんてゴマンといます。そう言う意味では、ピブーンが林家だろうが何だろうが、そんなことはピブーンの功績から見れば泡沫事項です。ピンポイントで書かなければ行けないという決まりがない以上、これ以上私に求めても私が書く気がないのであきらめて自分で調べてください。--あなん 2007年6月24日 (日) 07:29 (UTC)
replies: text: :Now come on. I know everything about Chinese assimilation into Thai society, and our objective is not that. You are the one who contributed to the references of this article, or at least you played a major part of it. Now all I ask was of you to provide a specific page reference of any particular book......

text: :Aha! Now you see the point...Only after repeated prompts did you give up and removed the dubious paragraph from main view. Anyway, I still wish that you could provide references in future if you could find one when the time comes, and give support to this paragraph. The matter is closed for now. Thanks. Mr Tan 2007年6月24日 (日) 12:24 (UTC)
replies: text: ::I am very tired of your Sinocentrism. To be born as Chinese descendant or not does not concern his/her carrier. If you really want to know, try very hard to find by yourself. At least I have no time to spare for the Sinocentrist. --あなん 2007年6月24日 (日) 14:47 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Your statement is baseless, and please don't say pass such remarks. This discussion here is not whether I'm a Sinocentrist or not, or anything to do with the topic of sinocentrism. I am only trying to get you to cite your full sources only for this point, because sources on he being a "Chinese" can't be found elsewhere in books or the net, and that is why I brought you to my attention, solely for the good for wikipedia. Otherwise we are not fit to be one at all. If a point that is contentious which cannot be found anywhere else in books or the internet, of course there is a need for verification with full sources to secure doubts. I'm just strictly adhering to the rules of wikipedia. There is no point on arguing on this matter anymore, and it is concluded you are unable to prove Plaek's ancestry without solid proof for the moment. Mr Tan 2007年6月25日 (月) 09:12 (UTC)

text: :Found a reliable book source on his ancestry. Mr Tan 2007年10月12日 (金) 13:21 (UTC)
Hi, he had no chinese ancestry. He was a 100% Thai. I know this because he was a grandfather of MY aunt-in-law. This is not a reliable source, but, what can i say.
thread_title: 林姓の華人?

message: この記事には「1887年生まれ」と書いてありますが、英語版 Wikipedia の記事などでは「1897年」となっています。
thread_title: 生まれた年は1897年では?