Discussione:Deutsche Marine

message: Hallo, I am Kuk, and I do a lot of work on the respective article in the German (and sometimes in the English) wikipedia. My Italian allows me to understand some written texts but I can't write articles myself. I could offer you my assistance on this article by providing you a short and comprehensive info on personnell, organisation, equipment, and operations of the German Navy as of today. I also can answer probably most of your specific questions about the German Navy. You also can ask me in Italian, I will answer in English or German whatever you prefer. But I will only start writing if anybody is really interested and willing to transfer the information into the Italian article. Otherwise it would be a waste of time. Please contact me here or on my German user page. Best wishes,--Kuk (msg) 11:26, 21 ago 2009 (CEST)
replies: text: @pigr8: Also here thank you for your answer on my German page. As indicated above I would like to provide the basic facts about the German Navy as of today so that the present stub can be expanded to a full article by others. I will give you an outline of the proposed text below. I will also update the pictures in the article as they are not really representative for the present navy.--Kuk (msg) 13:58, 22 ago 2009 (CEST)
thread_title:  Offerta die assistenza 

message: * General information, history
* Organisation
** Top organisation: Naval Staff, Fleet Command, Naval Office
** Organisation of the Fleet
** Organisation under the Naval Office
*Equipment
** Existing ships and aircraft
** Procurement programmes (under construction or contract signed)
** Further projects (plans, not yet confirmed)
*Operations
** General
** Current operations
** NATO contributions
--Kuk (msg) 13:58, 22 ago 2009 (CEST)
replies: text: Hallo Kuk, ich würde gerne an diese Seite mitarbeiten. Ich bin italienischer Muttersprachler und verfüge über gute Deutschkenntnisse. In Moment habe ich nicht so viele Zeit, bin trotzdem ansprechbar. --Ribbeck 20:04, 22 ago 2009 (CEST)

text: Trad. it: Sono disponibile per collaborare alla voce. Non ho molto tempo ultimamente, ma seguirò la discussione e cercherò di rispondere e intervenire in tempi ragionevoli. --Ribbeck 20:04, 22 ago 2009 (CEST)
replies: text: Grazie Ribbeck; ci voleva proprio un utente che sappia bene il tedesco (non come me...). Peccato tu sia impegnato altrove peché tra le voci aeronautiche, ad esempio metà dei template da tradurre sono proprio dal tedesco... (e mi cingo il capo di cenere dato che ne sono l'autore...)--threecharlie (msg) 20:26, 22 ago 2009 (CEST)
replies: text: As promised, here I am. Tell us, about the scheme proposed up there, that seems very correct, how do you want to proceed? You said to be intentioned in translating the voice present in de.wiki? About pictures, the 3 present are not up to date, but should be recycled for the section History. The most interesting part is that about the Cold War, and the present mission on Somali waters, with Task Force 150. But, start as you like. --Pigr8 ...libertà é partecipazione! 00:25, 23 ago 2009 (CEST)

text: Great, I see that you are quick! --Kuk (msg) 13:44, 23 ago 2009 (CEST)

text: So, I am back! Is there someone looking into this article presently? If yes I would continue with some more details.--Kuk (msg) 14:13, 5 set 2009 (CEST)
thread_title:  Proposed Structure for the article 

message: == General information, history ==
After ten years of total demilitarisation Western Germany joined NATO and started to rebuild a military defence structure in 1955. The first military personnell was commissioned on 11 november 1955, the 200th birthday of the Prussian defence reformer Scharnhorst. The three services, Army, Navy, Air Force, were officially founded 2 January 1956. 
The new :de:Bundesmarine, an always unofficial name (officially: Navy of the Federal Republik of Germany, Marine der Bundesrepublik Deutschland), was able to draw its first people and ships from different maritime services such as the Federal Border Protection Service (:de:Bundesgrenzschutz) and forces under British and American control (:de:British Baltic Fishery Protection Service, basically an espionage support service, and US-led Labor Service Unit "B"/ LSU B, a technical maritime service with some own training system).
The task of the navy was to defend the Baltic Approaches, i.e. the Danish and German Baltic coasts and the Soviet access to the North Sea against Warsaw Pact amphibious attacks. Therefore, the focus was on the Baltic, whre about two thirds of the forces were stationed. In the North Sea the Navy had to protect shipping routes to allow for Allied reinforcments and resupply of the Central European Front in case of war.
In this period the navy started with old equipment and ships bought from the Allies. Over the years it acquired more modern platforms and developed most modern systems for the special requirements of litoral warfare in the Baltic Approaches. At the end of the Cold War period the Navy had about 38.000 personnell, 200 ships and 200 aircraft.
After the German reunification the Navy incorporated a very limited number of former Eastern German :de:Volksmarine personnell, a few auxilliary ships, but no combattant vessels and no aircraft. According to the improved security situation in Europe the German Navy (this name came in use about 1995) was reduced in different steps to about 25.000, with 6000 of them serving in joint support structures of the Armed Forces, i.e. outside the organisation of the Navy.
== Organisation ==
The German minister of defence is the commander-in-chief of the German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) in peace time while this functions shifts to the chancellor once the state of defence has been officially declared. The chifes of the three classic services and the two supporting services (joint support service, joint medical servise) report to the minister of defence on matters of personnell and discipline and to the Chief of defence (CHOD, :de:Genelralinspekteur der Bundeswehr) on all other issues. The service chiefs and their staffs are part of the ministry of defence (:de:Bundesministerium der Verteidigung).
 
=== Top organisation: Naval Staff, Fleet Command, Naval Office ===
The Chief of the Navy (:de:Inspekteur der Marine) in the rank of an viceadmiral (de: Vizeadmiral) is the head of the Navy and at the same time a department head in the ministry of defence. He is supported by the Naval staff (still located at Bonn at the old seat of the government). The head of the naval staff is a rear admiral (de: Konteradmiral) who is alo the deputy chief of the Navy. There are two subordinate commands in the Navy, the Fleet Command and the Naval Office.
=== Organisation of the Fleet ===
The Fleet is commanded by a viceadmiral (english title: Commander-in-Chief German Fleet/CINCGERFLEET).
< Details to follow >
==== The Fleet Command ====
The Fleet Command (:de:Flottenkommando) is located in Glücksburg near Flensburg. < Details to follow >
==== Flotilla 1 ====
Flotilla 1 (:de:Einsatzflottille 1) was created in 2006 by merging the former Fast Patrol Boat, Mine Countermeasures and Submarine Flotillas. Flotilla Headquarters is at Kiel. The Flotilla is commanded by a rear admiral (LH) (Flottillenadmiral). It consists of the following forces:
* 1. Corvette Squadron, Warnemünde
* 1. Submarine Squadron, Eckernförde
* 3. Minesweeper Squadron, Kiel
* 5. Minesweeper Squadron, Kiel
* 7. Fast Patrol Boat Squadron, Warnemünde
* Naval Specialised Forces, Eckernförde
* Naval Protection Forces, Eckernförde
* Submarine Training Centre, Eckernförde
The NATO Centre of Excellence for Operations in Confined and Shallow Waters is part of the flotilla staff in Kiel.
< Details to follow >
==== Flotilla 2 ====
Flotilla 2 (:de:Einsatzflottille 2) was created in 2006 by renaming the former Destroyer Flotilla. Flotilla Headquarters is at Wilhelmshaven. The Flotilla is commanded by a rear admiral (LH) (Flottillenadmiral). It consists of the following forces:
* 2. Frigate Squadron (3 frigates type 124/Sachsen, 4 frigates type 123/Brandenburg), Wilhelmshaven
* 4. Frigate Squadron (8 frigates type 122/Bremen), Wilhelmshaven
* Auxilliary Squadron (10 Supply and auxilliary ships), Wilhelmshaven (some ships in other naval bases)
< Details to follow >
==== Naval Aviation ====
There are two naval air wings directly subordinate to the fleet command:
* Naval Air Wing 3 (Marinefliegergeschwader 3 Graf Zeppelin) in Nordholz near Cuxhaven (8 P-3C Orion, 2 Do-228 polution A/C, 23 SeaLynx)
* Naval Air Wing 5 at Kiel (21 SeaKing)
The SeaKings will be transferred to MFG 3 in 2012 and MFG 5 will be closed at this time.
< Details to follow >
=== Organisation under the Naval Office ===
The Naval Office (:de:Marineamt) is located at Rostock and is commanded by a rear admiral (Konteradmiral). It is in Charge of schools, naval bases, and other supporting installations. There are the following subordinate commands:
*Schools:
**Officers' School (:de:Marineschule Mürwik), Flensburg-Mürwik with 
***sail training vessel Gorch Fock (homeport: Kiel)
**Petty Officers' School, Plön
**Operations School, Bremerhaven
**Technical School, Parow (near Stralsund) with
***Damage Control Trainig Centre, Neustadt in Holstein
*Naval Bases
**Wilhelmshaven
**Kiel
**Eckernförde
**Warnemünde
*Other Installations
**Naval Test and Trials Centre, Eckernförde
**Command and Combat Systems Command, Wilhelmshaven
< Details to follow >
== Equipment ==
< Details to follow >
=== Existing ships and aircraft ===
see: 
* List of existing ships (should be understandable also without German language)
* List of existing aircraft 
=== Procurement programmes (under construction or contract signed) ===
The following ships are under contract or under construction:
* 4 frigates type 125 (Baden-Württemberg-class)
* 2 submarines type 212A (mod)
* 1 supply ship type 702 (Berlin-class)
=== Further projects (plans, not yet confirmed) ===
The following navy projects have not yet been confirmed:
* 2 joint support ships (similar to Dutch Rotterdam-II or French Mistral)
* 2 fleet tankers (replacement for Rhön and Spessart)
* 6 corvettes type 131
* 30 helicopters to replace SeaKings and parts of the SeaLynxes
== Operations ==
=== General ===
In general, all operations of German Armed Forces are commanded by the Joint Operations Command :de:Einsatzführungskommando at Potsdam. As an exemption smaller single service operations can be commanded by a service headquarters. Maritime Headquarters Glücksburg is in charge of the German contribution to NATO Operation Active Endeavour.
=== Current operations ===
Currently, the German Navy participates in the following international operations (name/Organisation/start of German participation/type of contribution (changing, not all at a time)):
* Operation Active Endeavour/NATO/2001/changing: Frigates, submarines, supply ships
* Operation Enduring Freedom/US/2002/Frigates, FPB, maritime patrol aircraft, supply ships
* UNIFIL Maritime Task Force/UN/2006/Frigates, minesweepers, FPB, reconnaissance vessels, supply ships
* Operation Atalanta/EU/2009/Frigates, maritime patrol aircraft, supply ships, vessel protection teams 
Two logistic bases at Djibouti and Limmassol (Cyprus) support these operations. 
=== NATO contributions ===
The German Navy contributes to all Stnading Maritime Groups of NATO, i.e.:
* Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 and 2 (former STANAVFORLANT/STANAVFORMED): Frigates, supply ships
* Standing NATO Maritime Mine Countermeasures Group 1 and 2 (former STANAVFORchan/STANAVMINEFORSOUTH): Minesweepers, command and supply ships
== miglioramento della voce ==
Sistemando un ref ho letto le aggiunte proposte da Kuk nel 2009 e penso che dovremmo usarle. Metto un avviso in Quadrato per mobilitare i traduttori. --Pigr8 La Buca della Memoria 00:13, 4 gen 2014 (CET)
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message: Sistemando un ref ho letto le aggiunte proposte da Kuk nel 2009 e penso che dovremmo usarle. Metto un avviso in Quadrato per mobilitare i traduttori. --Pigr8 La Buca della Memoria 00:13, 4 gen 2014 (CET)
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