Discussione:Movimenti della Terra

message: Mi chiedevo se non si stia parlando della stessa cosa quando si citano nell'articolo la precessione luni-solare e la nutazione. Non sono la stessa cosa? --62.110.229.174 07:49, 16 mar 2007 (CET)
thread_title:  Domanda 

message: Pardon my english, I don't write Italian. This image, while quite beautiful, originally gave a completely wrong explanation for this phenomenon. As an example, it implied that the precession caused by the Sun on the Earth is constant throughout the year, when in fact it varies according to the sine of the Earth's orbital position. The misleading parts have been clumsily removed, but it is not very nice anymore. There is more discussion here. Please do not re-add this image. 216.239.45.4 (msg) 18:32, 14 set 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: Ah - thanks; I think a more fundamental problem here is that this image is being used to show the "I principali moti della Terra", when that is not what is in the image. That is, most of the arrows in the image are not "I principali moti della Terra" as defined in the article. 67.218.106.225 (msg) 19:06, 15 set 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: The arrows are showing "movimenti" and forces acting on. Quite understandable by anyone having basic notions of physics and astonomy --Bramfab Discorriamo 19:10, 15 set 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: But many of the arrows are not the movements described in the article. That is simply not the point of the image. Huh, I guess that is one way to settle an edit dispute that you are involved in. 67.218.106.225 (msg) 19:20, 15 set 2010 (CEST)

text: Please use File:Rotating_earth_(large).gif or a different image instead. I'm trying to delete the other one, since it is quite misleading to anyone who stumbles across it trying to figure out exactly how axial precession really works, and I can not delete it if you are using it. Thank you, 208.54.5.55 (msg) 19:33, 15 set 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: By the way please settle your discussion on Commons, and the image in this page will folloow its fate. The gif you propose shows only the rotation of earth around its axis, this page is dealing about the combinations of more then 5 earth movements ! By the way I put a note to the astronomy project. --Bramfab Discorriamo 21:57, 15 set 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: Commons generally will not delete images that are in use elsewhere in the project. 208.54.5.67 (msg) 22:24, 15 set 2010 (CEST)

text: And just to reiterate, the image shows many arrows that are "not" any of those 5+ movements, so it is very confusing in the context of this article. 208.54.5.67 (msg) 22:32, 15 set 2010 (CEST)

text: Every-day there are images used in it.wikipedia and deleted from Commons! Please continue your personal batte against this image in Commons, it seems that you want to delete here just to have a vantage in your discussion there. Otherwise please be able to explain correctly why this image is false and more convincing than propose a simple rotating earth image in lieu of a complex image. Somebody from Progetto:Astronomia will read by sure and give adivise or act directly in case.--Bramfab Discorriamo 22:36, 15 set 2010 (CEST)
replies: text:  "it seems that you want to delete here just to have a vantage in your discussion there" - Please assume good faith. I want to delete it here (and everywhere) because it is a misleading, and therefore harmful, diagram. I have explained why it is false above, and linked to here where consensus clearly concurs. I have tried to explain why it is unhelpful and confusing here in this article, I'll elaborate by pointing out that the orange, blue, and green arrows are not movements, and will confuse anyone who thinks they are relevant to this article. The point of the diagram is to explain why the axis precesses, not to demonstrate various movements of the Earth. It just doesn't work here. 208.54.5.57 (msg) 23:05, 15 set 2010 (CEST)

text: Ok, I look forward to their input, thanks for putting a note on that project (that's a good way to resolve a dispute, Bramfab - ask for outside assistance; thanks.) But I'll just note that the dispute here is not really the same as the dispute on commons. thanks,216.239.45.4 (msg) 19:10, 16 set 2010 (CEST)
thread_title:  removed image