Discussione:Università nel mondo islamico classico

message: Hello. The current article title "Università nel mondo islamico classico" is historically and conceptually wrong. There were no such thing as "Islamic universities". "Islamic universities" is a contradiction in terms like "Islamic church" or "Christian mosque". Universities were always Christian. These 'universities' in the Islamic world were in fact "Madrasas" (= Mosque schools) and they were different from the university not only in name, but also in essence. A university (from Latin universitas), at least until it spread all over the world in the 19th-20th century, was always a Christian institution of higher education. It has its origins in Western Europe and nowhere else. No Muslim in the Islamic classical world would have even known what an "Islamic university" is. The term did not exist then, because this institution did not exist then. Islamic institutions of higher learning were always called madrasas.
We have had long discussions about the definition of the university in the English WP last year and the consensus was to remove the madrasas from List of oldest universities in continuous operation and move them to List of the oldest madrasahs in continuous operation in the Muslim world. All the other historical institutions of higher learning – Greek, Persian, Indian, Chinese – are also grouped together in an article of its own, called Ancient higher-learning institutions. The discussion was here:
*Al Karaouine: Pro, contra and undue weight
*Universities
And here three quotes from experts on the university as a classical and exclusive European institution. There are many more, but you get the idea.
The Utente:Omar-Toons, who is now waging the edit-war here and in other language versions, participated then, but chose to ignore the consensus. He has got already blocks in the Czech Wikipedia and he will get blocks in the Spanish Wikipedia if he continues to introduce his POV information. I will revert this article once to the correct title but it is obvious that it is up to you permanent and Italian users to decide whether you want articles which conform to the standard scholarly view (university = Christian; madrasa = Islamic) or introduce a POV view ("Islamic university"). Regards Sudtirolo (msg) 18:11, 22 lug 2012 (CEST)
thread_title:  "Islamic universities" never existed 

message: Non credo che le università europee siano state impostate sul modello delle scuole islamiche. Il confronto va fatto non dimenticando le accademie greche e le scuole in epoca romana e bizantina come quella di Alessandria d'Egitto ove insegnava Ipazia. Inoltre il termine "università" non ha alcuna derivazione da voci arabe. Alberto Pento --79.38.249.59 (msg) 17:21, 21 nov 2015 (CET)
replies: text: Non lo credo neppure io. --Cloj 17:35, 21 nov 2015 (CET)
thread_title:  Scuole antiche 

message: Il termine latino medievale "Universitas" è un troncamento di "Universitas studiorum". Significa "luogo in cui si insegna l'universalità delle scienze/tutte le scienze". "Universitas" deriva da "universus", che significa letteralmente "avvolto a formare una cosa sola", quindi "raccolto in una unità". Altro aspetto era l' "universitas magistrorum et scolarium", che indicava solo la comunità di docenti e discenti". Le due cose erano due aspetti distinti. Nell'ambito della seconda accezione, gli studenti europei del medioevo erano i principali soggetti. 
Al contrario "Jāmiʿa" non si riferisce all'"universalità delle scienze", ma a una "collettività di persone che studiano, in cui gli studenti non sono i principali soggetti".
La sua radice è 
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%AC_%D9%85_%D8%B9#Arabic
--213.45.240.196 (msg) 11:48, 3 feb 2023 (CET)
thread_title:  Non corrispondenza dei termini : "Universitas" e "Jāmiʿa"