Pembicaraan:Pattimura

message: Minta bantuan untuk memindahkan ke Pattimura (tanpa gelar di judul).  – (-_-)V  bennylin (404 • sumbangan) 06:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Kalo saya bilang artikel ini bias ke satu sumber saja jadinya. Perlu diseimbangkan.
Ngawuraje (bicara) 12:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

message: Saya akan tambahkan catatan biografi di halaman pattimura ini, catatan biografinya masih belum lengkap. Sebagai tambahan, soal nama asli Pattimura adalah "Ahmad Lussy", itu tidak benar, dan hanyalah hoaks semata . Beliau terlahir sebagai seorang Kristiani, dan dia menentang restorasi Belanda karena ditakutkan akan mengkosongkan pembayaran terhadap warga asli Maluku yang merupakan guru agama kristen, yang dimana Belanda telah lakukan pada tahun 1810. Puspa Mayangsari (bicara) 27 Maret 2022 13.29 (UTC)
Hoax Yuckywillemtubaka (bicara) 8 Juli 2022 13.44 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tambahkan catatan biografi + Klarifikasi nama asli hoaks  

message: Sekali lagi, berita nama asli Pattimura/Thomas Matulessy sebenarnya adalah Ahmad Lussy itu berita Hoaks/ Bohong. Anak Buyut Pattimura (Thomas Matulessy), bernama Marcellina Matulessy dan Albert Matulessy, dua duanya adalah seorang Kristiani dari Maluku. Ahmad Mansyur Suryanegara itu bukan Profesor sejati tetapi adalah pelaku pengaburan sejarah. Anak buyut Thomas Matulessy sampai sekarang beragama Kristen semua. Tolong jangan percaya berita hoaks dari Profesor Ahmad Mansyur Suryanegara yang merupakan pelaku pengaburan sejarah tsb untuk kepentingan diri sendiri & agama dia. 
Sumber ada disini:
https://www.floresnews.net/2020/03/maraknya-pengaburan-sejarah.html
https://www.antaranews.com/berita/161249/cucu-pattimura-kakek-buyut-patut-diteladani
https://regional.kompas.com/read/2009/11/09/21515426/about.html?page=all
Marcelina dan Albert Matulessy adalah cucu buyut daripada Thomas Matulessy (Pattimura), dua duanya mengklaim bahwa pernyataan Ahmad Mansyur Suryanegara bilang tentang Pattimura bernama Ahmad Lussy adalah HOAKS. Tolong sekali lagi editor wikipedia jangan ada yang terprovokasi/percaya dengan berita hoaks yang dibuat oleh pelaku pengaburan sejarah seperti Prof. Ahmad Mansyur Suryanegara ini. Sejarah tidak bisa diulangi dua kali. Dan hanya percaya dari keturunan langsung atau Sumber asli dari Pranala Luar: . 
Semoga kedepannya Indonesia bisa menindak pelaku pengaburan sejarah lebih baik. Puspa Mayangsari (bicara) 3 April 2022 10.56 (UTC)
replies: text: Kompas dan Antara sama sekali tidak membahas kontroversi agama, malah soal dukungan ke SBY; sedang floresnews.net tidak memiliki Dewan Redaksi dan tidak terdaftar di Dewan Pers sehingga tidak memenuhi kriteria sumber tepercaya.

text: Memanggil pengguna yg netral terkait konflik ini  2001:448A:1102:19C5:E5EC:6478:CD40:6EDC 3 April 2022 14.29 (UTC)
Report pengguna Siluman ,pengguna IP adalah akun yang sama dengan @Rahmat Denas ! Puspa Mayangsari (bicara) 5 April 2022 04.21 (UTC)

text: Halo, Anda sudah diingatkan oleh pengurus soal pelecehan. Harap mengikuti garis pedoman yang ada di Wikipedia soal penyuntingan dan pemberian sumber. Terkait alasan saya mengembalikan suntingan, lihat: Wikipedia:Pemastian. Tks. Rahmatdenas (bicara) 5 April 2022 05.03 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klarifikasi Nama & Berita Hoaks, Pengaburan sejarah yang dilakukan oleh Prof. Ahmad Mansyur Suryanegara 

message: Hello; My apologies. I do not speak Indonesian. But i noticed an error in spelling. 
"pada tanggal 20 Mei 1817 Pattimura kemudian memilih beberapa orang untuk membantunya berjuang melawan Belanda yaitu Anthoni Rhebok, Philips Latimahina, Lucas Selano, Arong Lisapafy, Melchior Kesaulya dan Sarassa Sanaki, Martha Christina Tiahahu, dan Paulus Tiahahu.[29]"
It is not Arong Lisapafy, it's Lisapaly. As stated in "Kapitan Lukas Lisapaly alias Kapitan Aron."
This is the same person you misspelled his name. Please edit.
Thanks.MonosPaly (bicara) 20 Mei 2023 16.25 (UTC)
replies: text: Small typo. . ꦱꦭꦩ꧀ ‑Ｂｅｎｎｙｌｉｎ ｢cakap｣ 22 Juni 2023 21.53 (WIB) 22 Juni 2023 14.53 (UTC)
thread_title:  Permintaan penyuntingan halaman dilindungi sebagian pada 20 Mei 2023 

message: Hello fellow editors,
I have found one or more external links on Pattimura that are in need of attention. Please take a moment to review the links I found and correct them on the article if necessary. I found the following problems:
*https://opac.perpusnas.go.id/DetailOpac.aspx?id=30820 is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220704142650/https://opac.perpusnas.go.id/DetailOpac.aspx?id=30820 to the original URL.
*https://profilbaru.com/Pattimura is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125101602/https://profilbaru.com/Pattimura to the original URL.
*https://historia.id/politik/articles/dari-matulessia-menjadi-matulessy-D8eBo is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230207182443/https://historia.id/politik/articles/dari-matulessia-menjadi-matulessy-D8eBo to the original URL.
*https://historia.id/politik/articles/dari-matulessia-menjadi-matulessy-D8eBo is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230207182443/https://historia.id/politik/articles/dari-matulessia-menjadi-matulessy-D8eBo to the original URL.
*https://www.motorplus-online.com/amp/253071124/ciri-uang-kertas-rp-1000-kapitan-pattimura-yang-diburu-kolektor-siap-dibayar-mahal-nih is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125093214/https://www.motorplus-online.com/amp/253071124/ciri-uang-kertas-rp-1000-kapitan-pattimura-yang-diburu-kolektor-siap-dibayar-mahal-nih to the original URL.
*https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2008/05/15/08022810/~Regional~Maluku%20Papua is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125110226/https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2008/05/15/08022810/~Regional~Maluku%20Papua to the original URL.
*https://historia.id/militer/articles/pattimura-pernah-jadi-tentara-inggris-PMaKO is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230407034359/https://historia.id/militer/articles/pattimura-pernah-jadi-tentara-inggris-PMaKO to the original URL.
*https://historia.id/militer/articles/pattimura-pernah-jadi-tentara-inggris-PMaKO is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230407034359/https://historia.id/militer/articles/pattimura-pernah-jadi-tentara-inggris-PMaKO to the original URL.
*https://www.kompas.com/stori/read/2021/04/05/134026579/pengembalian-hindia-belanda-dari-inggris-1816 is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125074958/https://www.kompas.com/stori/read/2021/04/05/134026579/pengembalian-hindia-belanda-dari-inggris-1816 to the original URL.
*https://www.tribun-maluku.com/thomas-matulessy-kapitan-poelo-atau-kapitan-pattimura-1/09/01/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125075108/https://www.tribun-maluku.com/thomas-matulessy-kapitan-poelo-atau-kapitan-pattimura-1/09/01/ to the original URL.
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FITcQFikMgw is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125082938/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FITcQFikMgw to the original URL.
*https://nesia.ir/post/perlawanan-terhadap-belanda-dimulai-deng.p713 is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125083918/https://nesia.ir/post/perlawanan-terhadap-belanda-dimulai-deng.p713 to the original URL.
*https://www.asianinstituteofresearch.org/_files/ugd/ed8b62_32f33cf583bf4e6e987c7da53a1cd880.pdf is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220616103402/https://www.asianinstituteofresearch.org/_files/ugd/ed8b62_32f33cf583bf4e6e987c7da53a1cd880.pdf to the original URL.
*https://www.sinarharapan.net/thomas-matulessy-kapitan-poelo-atau-kapitan-pattimura/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125075607/https://www.sinarharapan.net/thomas-matulessy-kapitan-poelo-atau-kapitan-pattimura/ to the original URL.
*https://www.kompas.com/stori/read/2022/10/04/190000779/latar-belakang-terjadinya-perlawanan-pattimura-di-saparua is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125075811/https://www.kompas.com/stori/read/2022/10/04/190000779/latar-belakang-terjadinya-perlawanan-pattimura-di-saparua to the original URL.
*https://titastory.id/thomas-matulessy-kapitan-poelo-atau-kapitan-pattimura-2/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230401231300/https://titastory.id/thomas-matulessy-kapitan-poelo-atau-kapitan-pattimura-2/ to the original URL.
*https://bergelora.com/thomas-matulessy-kapitan-poelo-atau-kapitan-pattimura-2/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125013804/https://bergelora.com/thomas-matulessy-kapitan-poelo-atau-kapitan-pattimura-2/ to the original URL.
*https://tutuwawang.blogspot.com/2014/10/pahlawan-asal-maluku-selain-pattimura.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230127035501/https://tutuwawang.blogspot.com/2014/10/pahlawan-asal-maluku-selain-pattimura.html to the original URL.
*https://mediaindonesia.com/humaniora/534199/kisah-perjuangan-kapitan-pattimura-dan-hal-positif-yang-bisa-dicontoh is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230724121521/https://mediaindonesia.com/humaniora/534199/kisah-perjuangan-kapitan-pattimura-dan-hal-positif-yang-bisa-dicontoh to the original URL.
*https://regional.kompas.com/read/2022/07/20/182128678/sejarah-perang-pattimura-tokoh-penyebab-kronologi-dan-dampak is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230330062752/https://regional.kompas.com/read/2022/07/20/182128678/sejarah-perang-pattimura-tokoh-penyebab-kronologi-dan-dampak to the original URL.
*https://www.facebook.com/1420158039/posts/gunung-sanirirenungan-jelang-200-tahun-pattimura-3gunung-saniri-bisa-dikatakan-s/10215117569078843/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230126192538/https://www.facebook.com/1420158039/posts/gunung-sanirirenungan-jelang-200-tahun-pattimura-3gunung-saniri-bisa-dikatakan-s/10215117569078843/ to the original URL.
*https://vredeburg.id/id/post/perjuangan-paripurna-kapitan-pattimura is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230321083157/https://vredeburg.id/id/post/perjuangan-paripurna-kapitan-pattimura to the original URL.
*https://www.tribun-maluku.com/alexander-jacob-patty-2-hiduplah-gunung-saniri/04/10/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230126171853/https://www.tribun-maluku.com/alexander-jacob-patty-2-hiduplah-gunung-saniri/04/10/ to the original URL.
*https://www.facebook.com/321622138012029/posts/goenong-frekadel-1898gunungbukit-frekadel-vorkadel-porkadel-ini-pertama-kali-dit/1083188341855401/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230126171245/https://www.facebook.com/321622138012029/posts/goenong-frekadel-1898gunungbukit-frekadel-vorkadel-porkadel-ini-pertama-kali-dit/1083188341855401/ to the original URL.
*https://www.academia.edu/8401228/Perlawanan_Rakyat_Maluku_Melawan_VOC is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125073140/https://www.academia.edu/8401228/Perlawanan_Rakyat_Maluku_Melawan_VOC to the original URL.
*https://www.kompas.com/stori/read/2021/11/09/100000679/perang-saparua-penyebab-tokoh-jalannya-perlawanan-dan-akhir is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230124121156/https://www.kompas.com/stori/read/2021/11/09/100000679/perang-saparua-penyebab-tokoh-jalannya-perlawanan-dan-akhir to the original URL.
*https://historia.id/militer/articles/pattimura-dihukum-mati-karena-dikhianati-P3N24 is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230124120621/https://historia.id/militer/articles/pattimura-dihukum-mati-karena-dikhianati-P3N24 to the original URL.
*https://kumparan.com/kumparannews/kisah-heroik-kapitan-pattimura-melawan-belanda-digantung-dan-makam-misterius-1yP8GVY5e7s is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125074707/https://kumparan.com/kumparannews/kisah-heroik-kapitan-pattimura-melawan-belanda-digantung-dan-makam-misterius-1yP8GVY5e7s to the original URL.
*https://regional.kompas.com/read/2022/07/20/182128678/sejarah-perang-pattimura-tokoh-penyebab-kronologi-dan-dampak is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230330062752/https://regional.kompas.com/read/2022/07/20/182128678/sejarah-perang-pattimura-tokoh-penyebab-kronologi-dan-dampak to the original URL.
*https://www.tribun-maluku.com/semangat-pattimura-dalam-dinamika-pembangunan-maluku/05/16/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125080046/https://www.tribun-maluku.com/semangat-pattimura-dalam-dinamika-pembangunan-maluku/05/16/ to the original URL.
*https://historia.id/militer/articles/pattimura-dihukum-mati-karena-dikhianati-P3N24 is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230124120621/https://historia.id/militer/articles/pattimura-dihukum-mati-karena-dikhianati-P3N24 to the original URL.
*http://balagu.50webs.com/pahlawan/phmaluku/philipslatumahina.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20200205132406/http://balagu.50webs.com/pahlawan/phmaluku/philipslatumahina.html to the original URL.
*http://balagu.50webs.com/pahlawan/phmaluku/philipslatumahina.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20200205132406/http://balagu.50webs.com/pahlawan/phmaluku/philipslatumahina.html to the original URL.
*http://balagu.50webs.com/pahlawan/phmaluku/anthonerebok.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20200206100253/http://balagu.50webs.com/pahlawan/phmaluku/anthonerebok.html to the original URL.
*http://balagu.50webs.com/pahlawan/phmaluku/saidperintah.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20200205205049/http://balagu.50webs.com/pahlawan/phmaluku/saidperintah.html to the original URL.
*https://historia.id/politik/articles/menggelar-gelar-pattimura-vQz3A is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230125023024/https://historia.id/politik/articles/menggelar-gelar-pattimura-vQz3A to the original URL.
*https://kumparan.com/kabar-harian/ada-peristiwa-apa-pada-tanggal-16-desember-1zREP5Y2JLC is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230129053606/https://kumparan.com/kabar-harian/ada-peristiwa-apa-pada-tanggal-16-desember-1zREP5Y2JLC to the original URL.
*https://www.viva.co.id/militer/militer-indonesia/1224143-kri-kapitan-pattimura-371-kapal-jenis-korvet-pertama-indonesia is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230129054541/https://www.viva.co.id/militer/militer-indonesia/1224143-kri-kapitan-pattimura-371-kapal-jenis-korvet-pertama-indonesia to the original URL.
*https://www.cnnindonesia.com/edukasi/20161103130049-445-169973/pahlawan-di-lembaran-uang-kisah-pattimura is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230129060355/https://www.cnnindonesia.com/edukasi/20161103130049-445-169973/pahlawan-di-lembaran-uang-kisah-pattimura to the original URL.
*https://floresku.com/read/10-orang-indonesia-yang-namanya-diabadikan-sebagai-nama-jalan-di-luar-negeri-ada-presiden-ada-pula-rakyat-biasa is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230129055442/https://floresku.com/read/10-orang-indonesia-yang-namanya-diabadikan-sebagai-nama-jalan-di-luar-negeri-ada-presiden-ada-pula-rakyat-biasa to the original URL.
*https://portalmajalengka.pikiran-rakyat.com/majalengka/pr-834934326/benarkah-kapitan-pattimura-bernama-asli-ahmad-lussy-bukan-thomas-matulessy-ini-penjelasan-sejarawan is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220706122841/https://portalmajalengka.pikiran-rakyat.com/majalengka/pr-834934326/benarkah-kapitan-pattimura-bernama-asli-ahmad-lussy-bukan-thomas-matulessy-ini-penjelasan-sejarawan to the original URL.
*https://www.cnnindonesia.com/nasional/20220708081500-20-818799/sejarawan-nama-kapitan-pattimura-tak-perlu-diperdebatkan-lagi is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220710071716/https://www.cnnindonesia.com/nasional/20220708081500-20-818799/sejarawan-nama-kapitan-pattimura-tak-perlu-diperdebatkan-lagi to the original URL.
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