Pembicaraan:Propaganda

message: Terjemahan banyak yang salah. The main idea (pada paragraf pembuka) miss the point Serenity 06:23, 14 Mei 2007 (UTC)

message: Gambar dihilangkan karena bukan contoh gambar propaganda, coba yang menaruh gambar menjelaskan bagian propagandanya sebelah mana? Saya sudah dobel check di artikel ENnya bahkan gambar itu tidak ada karena mungkin memang tidak ada kaitannya. Coba kalo mau memberi gambar yang lain, yang ada alasannya (gambar yang benar). Serenity (bicara) 09:36, 17 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Masa' poster I Want You dibilang bukan propaganda sih? Mengkhawatirkan.. Triple check deh, di EN baca: "Direct order – This technique hopes to simplify the decision making process by using images and words to tell the audience exactly what actions to take, eliminating any other possible choices. Authority figures can be used to give the order, overlapping it with the Appeal to authority technique, but not necessarily. The Uncle Sam "I want you" image is an example of this technique". dragunovadiscuss 11:03, 17 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
Haha, kalo mbak bilang ini bukan propaganda, coba jelaskan apa itu definisi propaganda dalam militer. Masa gak tau sih.. • Mimihitam  • 11:06, 17 Agustus 2008 (UTC)

text: Udah gak usah pake flaming. Yang jelas artikel ini harus ditambahin referensi berbentuk footnotes agar lebih bisa dipercaya. dragunovadiscuss 11:10, 17 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
wew komentar gw kok dibilang flaming ~_~ kayaknya enggak deh • Mimihitam  • 11:13, 17 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: : Dra, kalo gitu harus dikasih alasan bawahnya (karena gambar, kan ada keterangan gambar). Footnotes untuk yang gue tulis agak sulit yah, karena diambil dari modul kuliah dan bagian-bagian itu sendiri diambil dari banyak buku yang lain. Jadi in short validasinya sebenarnya hampir sama kayak ngambil dari wiki EN deh untuk footnotesnya. *nyengir* Serenity (bicara) 01:04, 19 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: :: Ya ada no.9: 
 Tapi gue tetep ngga "ngeh" oversimplificationnya yang mana, mungkin elo bisa njelasin. Serenity (bicara)

text: Ngga ngeh di bagian mananya? BTW, gw nemuin ini. dragunovadiscuss 05:03, 19 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: : Ah ya, bener kalo gitu (gue..hehe). Sebenarnya sempet curiga juga, gini loh Dra, si propaganda ini menurut komunikasi hanya salah satu dari fallacies (alias kesesatan), salah satu loh ya, kekhususannya adalah penyesatan untuk "persuasive techniques". Si gambar yang ditaruh didepan, kalau benar merupakan oversimplification, keterangannya terlalu panjang untuk propaganda... yes, as I mentioned itu melanggar etika (see number 9) tapi "kurang tepat" kalo dibilang propaganda, alias ngga bulls eye lah. Kayak elo ngambil contoh gambar dari mamalia adalah paus, bener sih pausnya mamalia, cuman kan ada sapi atau kucing yang lebih umum. 
See EN: 

Nah gambar dikanan itu bulls eye, propaganda teknik no sekian gitu lah...
Serenity (bicara) 07:22, 19 Agustus 2008 (UTC)

text: Gambar yang "ditaruh di depan" maksudnya gambar paling atas ya? Saya sih gak masalah mo taruh gambar mana aja asal paling sesuai. Lebih bagus lagi kalo setiap teknik punya gambar contohnya. Dan kalo gambar fair use dicari gambar penggantinya yang public domain atau GFDL. Sama inline citations, gw cuma bisa cari publikasi yang berbasis web karena gak punya buku-buku.

text: Trus gw juga aga bingung kok tiba-tiba kita bahas oversimplification ya? Baru sadar. dragunovadiscuss 14:16, 19 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
Yah, 
Gambar yang ini yang bukan propaganda (tidak tepat) jelasnya adalah: inadequate rationale.
replies: text: : Coba perhatikan salahnya yah

text: : Uhm, tokoh yang digunakan tidak dikenal (sulit diasosiasikan sebagai baik atau jahat)

text: : Alasan propaganda Amerika, hanya bisa digunakan kalau poster ini diletakkan di luar Amerika

text: : Alasan propaganda militer, bisa digunakan, namun sebelah mana? apakah dilihat dari tokohnya? bajunya? atau tulisannya yang meminta untuk bergabung? Apa yang salah dengan permintaan untuk bergabung? Itu tidak menyesatkan karena permintaan untuk bergabung tidak ditutup-tutupi. Beda dengan iklan rokok (misalnya) yang tidak menunjukkan batang rokoknya, atau orang yang sedang merokok. atau menurut sisi ini iklan pepsoden. Propaganda bukan di gambar yang sedang tersenyum, namun dalam kalimat "Senyum Indonesia, senyum pepsodent" -- karena etikanya adalah senyum Indonesia yang jelas bukan senyum pepsodent, itu adalah senyumnya orang Indonesia. 
Gambar yang paling atas justru propaganda pepsodent. Soal fair use jelas bisa, apalagi kalo tinggal ambil dari EN, namun hal itu tidak mendekati dengan masyarakat Indonesia yang notabene pembacanya wikipedia bahasa Indonesia. Semua iklan rokok di billboard besar yang mengasosiasikan rokok dengan persahabatan, kesehatan (olahraga voli, badminton dll) adalah propaganda, gue ngga punya stok. Kalau mau diganti yang fair use, silahkan.

text: : Ok, ini udah penjelasan terakhir, capek. Serenity (bicara)
replies: text: ::Sekali lagi, saya tidak peduli ya tentang gambar yang mana yang muncul. Saya cuma meralat pernyataan Anda yang blatantly bilang gambar itu bukan propaganda dan gak ada di EN, biar gak salah, karena kredibilitas artikel ini sementara ada di kredibilitas kontributor utamanya. Ngomong tentang oversimplification saya kira lagi ngomongin isi artikel, ternyata ngomongin satu gambar itu-itu lagi.. Lagipula saya juga nyebutnya teknik direct order bukan oversimplification. Pokoknya terserah deh mo pake gambar apa, kenapa gak sekalian banyak gambar kan.

text: ::Kembali ke isi, disayangkan, artikel ini sekarang masih dipersempit menjadi sudut pandang advertising dan humas, dan sudut pandang Indonesia. Dan kalau bisa dibuat lebih ke arah prose dan narasi daripada poin-poin (menurut Manual of Style Wikipedia). Happy wiki-ing. dragunovadiscuss 07:31, 21 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
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