Pembicaraan:Suku Minahasa

message: Catatan dari : J.F.Warouw ( Sosiolog/FISIP-UI/Jakarta)
Kajian tentang masyarakat Minahasa pada saat ini dapat dibagi kedalam dua kelompok yakni klasik dan kontemporer. Masyarakat Minahasa di Sulawesi Utara saat ini sudah menjadi Mini Indonesia malahan  Mini Internasiona " Yakni Minahasa Mini Indonesia" dan Minahasa Mini Internasional". Kajian klasik memang yang menjadi intinya adalah suku-suku asli ( Tousea dst). Untuk kajian Minahasa kontemporer harus juga diperhitungkan sejumlah suku-suku dan ehtnis serta ras lain yang sudah terintegrasi kedalam suku Minahasa seperti Orang Jawa Tondano ; Padang Pineleng/Lota ; Cina ; Arab ; Turunan Portugis / Borgo ; Belanda / Indo ; Yahudi ; Banten di Sarongsong Tomohon yang menjadikan Minahasa sebagai Mini Indonesia dan Mini Internasional. Orientasi kajian sosiologis dan anthropologis harus mulai mempertimbangan hal ini. Prasasti  kuburan kuno dapat mejadi buktinya dari keberadaan ini. Amurang , Tanawangko , Kema / Kaima terdapat banyak turunan borgo Portugis / Indo. JFWarouw. Sosiolog. 13-april-2007.

message: Haruskah kita membuat ulang halaman ini dengan terjemahan dari Wikipedia bahasa Inggris? Terlihat sangat tidak teratur.
--𝔚𝔦𝔩𝔩 (bicara) 13 Mei 2018 05.22 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terjemahkan dari English Wikipedia 

message: Excuse me for writing in English as I'm coming from English Wikipedia. Why are the portrait galleries from the infoboxes of articles about ethnic groups still allowed in Indonesian Wikipedia? It was banned with consensus long ago in English Wikipedia. Even here in Indonesian Wikipedia, the execution seems disparate. Some Indonesian ethnic groups such as Suku Jawa have a staggering huge list of portraits, while others completely eliminated the gallery and followed the style of English Wikipedia. What are the reasoning behind the persistent use of portrait gallery, as well as the selective and patchy application of it? 
For your information, here are the Indonesian ethnic groups with portrait gallery: 
*Suku Jawa
*Suku Batak
*Tionghoa-Indonesia
*Suku Gorontalo
*Suku Minahasa. 
I've removed them but Pengguna:Herryz kept reverting them without any particular reason, and hasn't responded to my question on his talk page. 
Meanwhile, here are the ethnic groups that don't have the portrait gallery (as of this moment I'm posting this topic): Suku Sunda, Suku Madura, Suku Betawi, Orang Minangkabau, Suku Bugis, Suku Melayu, Suku Banten, Suku Banjar, Suku Bali, Suku Sasak, Suku Dayak, Suku Makassar, Suku Cirebon, Suku Jambi, Suku Lampung, Suku Nias. Actually it was me who removed the gallery from many of them, you can check the edit history. And don't get me started on non-Indonesian nationalities. It's even more patchy and selective. For example, on what criteria are the figures selected on the infobox of Bangsa Arab? Why is there no portrait gallery on the infobox of Bangsa Slavia? I can go on and on and on. 
===terjemahan google (and my patchy edit):===
Permisi saya menulis dalam bahasa Inggris (dan ini terjemahannya) karena saya berasal dari Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Mengapa galeri potret di infobox artikel tentang suku masih diperbolehkan di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia? Ini telah dilarang dengan konsensus sejak lama di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Bahkan di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia, eksekusinya tampaknya berbeda. Beberapa kelompok etnis Indonesia seperti Suku Jawa memiliki daftar galeri potret yang sangat besar, sementara yang lain benar-benar menghilangkan galeri dan mengikuti style Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Apa alasan di balik penggunaan galeri potret yang terus-menerus, serta penerapannya yang selektif dan tidak merata?
Sekadar informasi, berikut adalah suku bangsa Indonesia dengan galeri potret di infobox:
*Suku Jawa
*Suku Batak
*Tionghoa-Indonesia
*Suku Gorontalo
*Suku Minahasa
Saya telah menghapusnya tetapi Pengguna:Herryz terus mengembalikannya tanpa alasan tertentu, dan belum menanggapi pertanyaan saya di halaman pembicaraannya.
Sedangkan suku-suku yang tidak memiliki galeri potret ini adalah (saat saya menambahkan topik ini): Suku Sunda, Suku Madura, Suku Betawi, Orang Minangkabau, Suku Bugis, Suku Melayu, Suku Banten, Suku Banjar, Suku Bali, Suku Sasak, Suku Dayak, Suku Makassar, Suku Cirebon, Suku Jambi, Suku Lampung, Suku Nias. Sebenarnya saya yang menghapuskan galeri dari sebagian besar ini. Anda dapat simak dalam riwayat edit. Dan apalagi dengan kewarganegaraan non-Indonesia. Ini bahkan lebih tambal sulam dan selektif. Misalnya, berdasarkan kriteria apa tokoh-tokoh tersebut dipilih di infobox Bangsa Arab? Mengapa tidak ada galeri potret di infobox Bangsa Slavia?
JahlilMA (bicara) 25 Maret 2022 23.00 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on WPID consensus : "Any WPEN's consensus doesn't automatically become a consensus in WPID. WPEN's consensus could serve as a basis to start a discussion, but it requires further local discussion whether to adopt it or not." As for now, MOS:NOETHNICGALLERIES is not yet ratified by WPID community. Before WPID community actually reach a consensus regarding this issue, please refrain from deleting it.  rtnF  bicara 26 Maret 2022 02.19 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thank you for being the only person who responded to my question. Unfortunately, I still think my question still stands. Why is this practice still allowed? Indonesia is a multi-ethnic country, and with the current policy still being applied, I believe there will be a host of issues that can potentially arise in the future. For example, Sandiaga Uno is included in the infobox of Suku Gorontalo. But we all know he is multi-ethnic. On what basis does Indonesian Wikipedia arbitrary decide his "primary" ethnic background? Not to mention who gets to decide the "representative" of an ethnic group. The practice is mired with WP:POV and WP:OR, and causing Indonesian Wikipedia to be the source of misinformation. This is the kind of thing that Indonesia needs to discuss and prevent as a country with multi-ethnic harmony. I know only a handful of users effectively manage Indonesian Wikipedia, but even so, I'm extremely baffled by how people here think it is perfectly fine keeping and defending this practice. JahlilMA (bicara) 26 Maret 2022 17.05 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galeri potret infobox 

message: Permisi saya menulis dalam bahasa Inggris (dan ini terjemahannya) karena saya berasal dari Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Mengapa galeri potret di infobox artikel tentang suku masih diperbolehkan di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia? Ini telah dilarang dengan konsensus sejak lama di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Bahkan di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia, eksekusinya tampaknya berbeda. Beberapa kelompok etnis Indonesia seperti Suku Jawa memiliki daftar galeri potret yang sangat besar, sementara yang lain benar-benar menghilangkan galeri dan mengikuti style Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Apa alasan di balik penggunaan galeri potret yang terus-menerus, serta penerapannya yang selektif dan tidak merata?
Sekadar informasi, berikut adalah suku bangsa Indonesia dengan galeri potret di infobox:
*Suku Jawa
*Suku Batak
*Tionghoa-Indonesia
*Suku Gorontalo
*Suku Minahasa
Saya telah menghapusnya tetapi Pengguna:Herryz terus mengembalikannya tanpa alasan tertentu, dan belum menanggapi pertanyaan saya di halaman pembicaraannya.
Sedangkan suku-suku yang tidak memiliki galeri potret ini adalah (saat saya menambahkan topik ini): Suku Sunda, Suku Madura, Suku Betawi, Orang Minangkabau, Suku Bugis, Suku Melayu, Suku Banten, Suku Banjar, Suku Bali, Suku Sasak, Suku Dayak, Suku Makassar, Suku Cirebon, Suku Jambi, Suku Lampung, Suku Nias. Sebenarnya saya yang menghapuskan galeri dari sebagian besar ini. Anda dapat simak dalam riwayat edit. Dan apalagi dengan kewarganegaraan non-Indonesia. Ini bahkan lebih tambal sulam dan selektif. Misalnya, berdasarkan kriteria apa tokoh-tokoh tersebut dipilih di infobox Bangsa Arab? Mengapa tidak ada galeri potret di infobox Bangsa Slavia?
JahlilMA (bicara) 25 Maret 2022 23.00 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on WPID consensus : "Any WPEN's consensus doesn't automatically become a consensus in WPID. WPEN's consensus could serve as a basis to start a discussion, but it requires further local discussion whether to adopt it or not." As for now, MOS:NOETHNICGALLERIES is not yet ratified by WPID community. Before WPID community actually reach a consensus regarding this issue, please refrain from deleting it.  rtnF  bicara 26 Maret 2022 02.19 (UTC)
replies: text: :Thank you for being the only person who responded to my question. Unfortunately, I still think my question still stands. Why is this practice still allowed? Indonesia is a multi-ethnic country, and with the current policy still being applied, I believe there will be a host of issues that can potentially arise in the future. For example, Sandiaga Uno is included in the infobox of Suku Gorontalo. But we all know he is multi-ethnic. On what basis does Indonesian Wikipedia arbitrary decide his "primary" ethnic background? Not to mention who gets to decide the "representative" of an ethnic group. The practice is mired with WP:POV and WP:OR, and causing Indonesian Wikipedia to be the source of misinformation. This is the kind of thing that Indonesia needs to discuss and prevent as a country with multi-ethnic harmony. I know only a handful of users effectively manage Indonesian Wikipedia, but even so, I'm extremely baffled by how people here think it is perfectly fine keeping and defending this practice. JahlilMA (bicara) 26 Maret 2022 17.05 (UTC)
thread_title: terjemahan google (and my patchy edit):

message: Hello fellow editors,
I have found one or more external links on Suku Minahasa that are in need of attention. Please take a moment to review the links I found and correct them on the article if necessary. I found the following problems:
*https://sp2010.bps.go.id/index.php/site/tabel?tid=321&wid=7100000000 is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220914192157/https://sp2010.bps.go.id/index.php/site/tabel?tid=321&wid=7100000000 to the original URL.
*http://pustaka.kebudayaan.kemdikbud.go.id/index.php?p=show_detail&id=7335&keywords= is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220709110435/http://pustaka.kebudayaan.kemdikbud.go.id/index.php?p=show_detail&id=7335&keywords= to the original URL.
*https://kebudayaan.kemdikbud.go.id/bpnbsulut/legenda-toar-lumimuut-dan-turunannya/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20191128024550/https://kebudayaan.kemdikbud.go.id/bpnbsulut/legenda-toar-lumimuut-dan-turunannya/ to the original URL.
*https://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/mengenal-tarian-perang-kabasaran-dari-minahasa.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220914192221/https://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/mengenal-tarian-perang-kabasaran-dari-minahasa.html to the original URL.
*https://kebudayaan.kemdikbud.go.id/bpnbsulut/musik-bambu-minahasa/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230123062733/https://kebudayaan.kemdikbud.go.id/bpnbsulut/musik-bambu-minahasa/ to the original URL.
*https://majalah.tempo.co/read/memoar/126571/herman-nicolas-ventje-sumual-lelaki-di-balik-permesta is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230123062734/https://majalah.tempo.co/read/memoar/126571/herman-nicolas-ventje-sumual-lelaki-di-balik-permesta to the original URL.
*https://www.jstor.org/stable/27863875 is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20221224225204/https://www.jstor.org/stable/27863875 to the original URL.
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thread_title:  External links found that need fixing (Oktober 2023)