Pembicaraan:Bahasa Melayu

message: Saya usul dicipta satu ayat yang membolehkan semua dialek dipaparkan. Letakkan satu ayat dalam bahasa Indonesia standard, dan diikuti terjemahan menurut dialek yang berbeza. Ini kerana sukar membayangkan pengunaan pelbagai dialek Melayu di Indonesia bagi kami yang di luar Indonesia. Yosri 12:08, 13 Februari 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Meursault dan saya sudah bersepakat untuk selalu memasukkan nama Melayu Malaysia pada berbagai artikel tentang tumbuhan, walaupun tidak terlalu "ngotot" (kadang-kadang saya agak malas untuk cari padanan arti kata). Saya termasuk yang mengidamkan bersatunya wikipedia BI dan BM sebetulnya karena keuntungan di arena internasional, tapi masyarakat masih merasa "jauh" ternyata. Kembangraps 12:13, 13 Februari 2008 (UTC)
Boleh juga. Tapi apa kalimat yang hendak diterjemahkan? Bagaimana kalau sajak Chairil Anwar, seperti yang dilakukan teman-teman di Malaysia? :) --Gombang 15:36, 13 Februari 2008 (UTC)

text: Wah jangan berat2 bung Gombang. Bagaimana kalau kalimat ringan saja. Dulu di sekolah saya diajarkan kalimat berikut:
* Baku: Saya ditipu oleh seorang saudagar Tionghoa.
* Melayu Medan: Awak kena tokoh seorang tauke.
* Betawi: Gué dikibulin amé toké.

text: Kalimat ini mungkin berbau SARA, tapi anyway kira-kira yang mirip begini. Meursault2004ngobrol 16:47, 13 Februari 2008 (UTC)

text: Maaf saya baru sadar. Kita tidak boleh membuat kalimat-kalimat (ayat-ayat) sendiri, sebab nanti akan bersifat original research. Jadi harus mencari yang sudah dipublikasikan. Meursault2004ngobrol 11:42, 15 Februari 2008 (UTC)
Pardon me, saya tidak tahu kalau ayat itu berarti kalimat. Just a prove that my Malaysian Malay ability is near to zero! :-) Kembangraps 12:31, 15 Februari 2008 (UTC)
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message: Suntingan dibawah ini mengambil dari ms tanpa diterjemahkan kedalam Bahasa Indonesia:
 (skr) (akhir)  04:41, 7 Februari 2009 120.162.235.105 (Bicara) (33.727 bita) (batalkan) 
 (skr) (akhir)  10:06, 6 Februari 2009 125.165.108.37 (Bicara) (23.061 bita) (batalkan) 
Pras (bicara) 22:08, 6 Februari 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Saya kembalikan sudah. Sebab kotak info jadi rusak juga. Meursault2004ngobrol 07:45, 12 Februari 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  tanpa terjemah dari versi ms 

message: Saya mencoba menuliskan ulang secara menyeluruh (overhaul). Untuk sementara belum menyertakan sumber, walaupun nantinya akan saya tambahi perlahan2. Bagian dialek dan bunyi belum saya apa2-kan hingga komentar ini dibuat. Sekedar usulan: penulisan bagian Dialek/Varian diusahakan melepaskan diri dari batas negara, karena kita membicarakan bahasa, bukan identitas suatu bangsa. Selain itu, penyebutan "dialek" agak menyulitkan, krn ada beberapa dialek yg sebenarnya adalah bentuk kreol (spt Baba). Untuk bagian Bunyi, perlukah ini? Bahasa Melayu memiliki variasi yang luas, termasuk fonetiknya. Saya lihat, umpamanya, untuk bunyi r, ada dua versi, padahal perbedaan itu konsisten untuk dialek tertentu, dan tidak pernah tercampur dalam satu dialek/varian. Silakan ditanggapi. Kembangraps (bicara) 12:42, 6 Mei 2009 (UTC)
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message: Jumlah penutur bahasa melayu sebanyak 19 juta
290 juta data dari mana? Klaim bahasa indonesia?
Bahasa indonesia bukan bahasa melayu 
“Bahasa Indonesia berkembang jauh melebihi asal muasalnya (bahasa Melayu) karena bahasa Indonesia setelah penetapan status diangkat menjadi bahasa negara terus dikembangkan korpusnya, kamusnya, ejaan, tata bahasanya hingga seperti sekarang,” jelasnya.
Sementara itu, bahasa Melayu bagi orang Indonesia adalah salah satu dari 718 bahasa daerah. Menurutnya, ketika di Indonesia ada yang menyebut bahasa Melayu, perspektifnya adalah bahasa daerah. Merujuk data Badan Bahasa, di Indonesia ada 87 dialek bahasa Melayu. “Jika ada pernyataan mari kita perkasakan (jayakan) bahasa Melayu, jelas kami menolak,” tegas Kepala Badan Bahasa.
Bahasa melayu adalah bahasa daerah bukan bahasa nasional di indonesia dan jangan mengklim penutur bahasa indonesia Sefiantiono.dbr (bicara) 8 November 2022 08.03 (UTC)
replies: text: Yang dimasukkan kedalam 290 juta merupakan gabungan dari penutur jati dan penutur sekunder, dalam artian penutur yang sekedar dapat berbicara ataupun mengerti dimasukkan kedalam angka tersebut per sumber Uli, Kozok (10 March 2012). "How many people speak Indonesian". University of Hawaii at Manoa. James T. Collins (Bahasa Sanskerta dan Bahasa Melayu, Jakarta: KPG 2009) . Selain itu, jika Anda mengatakan bahwa ini sekedar "pengeklaiman", maka hal tersebut salah besar, artikel ini membahas bahasa Melayu secara umum, sehingganya bahasa melayu baku dan tidak baku, sekaligus bahasa Indonesia (yang telah digolongkan sebagai varietas bahasa Melayu umum) masuk dalam jajaran penuturnya. Per klasifikasi oleh Glottolog https://glottolog.org/files/glottolog-4.3/indo1326.html   8 November 2022 08.29 (UTC)

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