Vita:Kossuth-címer

message: Szerintem jobb lenne egy Magyar címer cikk, és azon belül lehet ez. --kla 2005. március 23., 06:40 (CET)
Szerintem elmegy önmagában is, de ha nem, nem. Gubb
Irodalom: A magyar címer története.
Persze, meg kell írni a magyar címert is. Ezen belül azonban ez egy külön fajta, aminek saját története van. Így is keresik, tehát felhasználói szempontból jó ha van. Remete 2005. március 23., 13:05 (CET)
Nem csak a mostani kiscímerről kéne írni vagy esetleg képet mutatni, hanem a régi címerekről is!Mondjuk a Kossuth címer, amin még nincs Szent Korona...vagy esetleg 20. századi címereinkről egy kis történet és a legfontosabb a KÉP!!
Halihó, most írt nekem egy francia heraldikus, hogy a képünkkel valami nem stimmel. A baloldali részben a csíkoknak párban kell állniuk, mint itt a színes képeken. A kép mintha valami 56-os érméről lenne. Talán 56-ban rosszul gyártották a címert? Narvalo 2007. január 1., 09:19 (CET)

message: A franciának igaza van. BUÉK mindenkinek Remete 2007. január 4., 00:58 (CET)
A Kossuth-címer ill. a magyar címer történetéhez ajánlom Bertényi Iván: Kis magyar címertan (1983)c. könyvének 66-90.-ik oldalát
thread_title:  A franciának igaza van. 

message: The Kossuth coat of arms is an unusual version of the historical Hungarian national coat of arms, which does not include the Holy Crown, and instead of the usual straight-sided shield, it has an inwardly curved shield shape at the top and sides, which is considered uniquely Hungarian. 
The left side of the coat of arms depicts a gold crown on a green triple stack on a red background and a white apostolic double cross above the crown, while the right side has the so-called seven times cut in red and silver. barley lane. (It is a heraldic rule that the right and left sides of the coat of arms are determined according to which side of the person who wears it on a shield would fall.)
After the removal of the Habsburg throne on April 14, 1849, and the publication of the declaration of independence on April 19, it replaced the crowned coat of arms, which is why it is associated with the name of Lajos Kossuth. From then on, this was used on the flags of the national defense army, and instead of a crown, a sword with a laurel wreath was embroidered above the coat of arms shield.[1] In 1848, the Ministry of Finance under the control of Lajos Kossuth adopted the old central coat of arms stripped of its crown, which also depicted the coats of arms of Hungary, Croatia, Slavonia and Transylvania, which were actually under the authority of the Hungarian government at the time.
Mihály Károlyi, as President of the Republic, made the old coat of arms of the Kingdom of Hungary stripped of its crown and shield holders[3] official from the proclamation of the Republic in November 1918, so it was the official state coat of arms until August 1919. During the short existence of the Soviet Republic, they did not deal with the issue of the coat of arms.
Between 1946 and 1949, it became official again during the 1956 revolution. In 1949, a new coat of arms matching the socialist state leadership was introduced, the Rákosi coat of arms, on which the symbol system of the communist ideology appears more prominently than the national symbols. However, during the revolution, on October 29, 1956, the front page of Szabad Nép (the central paper of the ruling party) and other papers appeared with the Kossuth coat of arms, announcing that the coat of arms of Hungary had officially become the coat of arms of the republic. After the suppression of the revolution, from 1957 the so-called Kádár coat of arms became the state symbol of Hungary, which was in effect until the regime change. The Kádár coat of arms, like the Rákosi coat of arms, contains motifs representing the communist ideology of the system (red star, red ribbon), but the national tricolor also prominently appears in it, with the fully national-colored coat of arms dominating the image of the coat of arms, which follows the shape of the Kossuth coat of arms, and a national-colored ribbon, which is present to the same extent as the red ribbon.
In 1990, there was a serious debate whether the coat of arms of the new Republic should be the Kossuth coat of arms or the former crowned coat of arms (small coat of arms). In the Parliament, both right-wing and left-wingers argued in favor of the Kossuth coat of arms: "our ancestors - whenever there was a way, or it seemed like there was a way, to enforce the principle of popular sovereignty - they always took a stand in favor of the Kossuth coat of arms."[4] Finally, the Parliament, based on historical continuity and national tradition,[5] today's consensus, with two-thirds of all representatives, 258 yes and 28 no votes, After 35 stays, it became the official coat of arms, and decided on a unified Hungarian coat of arms depicting the Holy Crown.
The fundamental question now (as I examine in the fourth part of my study) is how the legal continuity of the Hungarian state, thus Hungarian history, and the traditions and symbols of the Hungarian state before 1945 can be fitted into the framework of today's Hungarian statehood. The debates, which include the interpretation of Hungarian history and questions of Hungarian national and political self-awareness, fundamentally affect the doctrine of the Holy Crown and its historicity. 212.104.155.43 (vita) 2023. július 24., 13:52 (CEST)
thread_title:  Translated into English (google translate) 24 July 2023 version