Discussion:R. A. B.

message: Je me suis permis de retoucher le contenu de cette page afin de corriger quelques fautes de francais dans le deuxième message et d'en rendre le texte plus lisible. N'oubliez pas de signer et dater vos messages en placant 4 ~. Je rajouterais dans peu de temps les faits décrits dans le livre avant les suppositions car je rappelle que Wikipédia est avant tout une encyclopédie et non un espace de discussion. (cf. principe de base de Wikipédia). Gaby47 22 juin 2006 à 06:34 (CEST)
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message: (The curse of the Black family tree by Wendy Hart, in 'Who killed Albus Dumbledore edited by John Granger)
The most compelling clue that a switch might have taken place at Grimmauld place is the existence there of a heavy locket that no one can open - a locket that careful readers with good memories assumed was the horcrux locket as soon as they learned the one from the cave was a fake. In half-Blood Prince chapter 10, Marvolo gaunt grabs his poor daughter by the necklace chain she is wearing to show bob Ogden that they are indeed Slytherin's heirs. Jo describes it as a gold chain and a heavy gold locket.
(L'indice le plus contraignant qu'un commutateur pourrait avoir eu lieu à Grimmauld Place est l'existence là d'un locket lourd que personne ne peuvent ouvrir - un locket que les lecteurs soigneux avec des bonnes mémoires assumées étaient le locket de horcrux dès qu'ils ont appris celui de la caverne était un article truqué. En chapitre 10 de prince de moitié-Sang, Marvolo Gaunt sa pauvre fille par la chaîne de collier qu'elle porte pour montrer Bob Ogden qu'ils sont en effet les héritiers de Slytherin. Jo le décrit comme chaîne d'or et locket lourd d'or.)
Sandpiper 14 mai 2007 à 04:37 (CEST)
thread_title:  Wendy Hart, 'la malédiction de l'arbre de famille Black', écrivant dans 'qui a tué Dumbledore', édité par John Granger,isbn  0972322116 

message: On dit:
Lost Locket 
The item of unfinished business which is most obviously vital to the storyline of book seven is the lost Horcrux which Dumbledore and Harry go looking for in that unpleasamt cave in Half-Blood Prince. What they find and bring back to Hogwarts is not the original talisman but a different locket which has been substituted by someone called RAB. Most readers who have been following the saga closely have convinced themselves that the truth of the matter is roughly as follows:
*RAB was most probably Regulus Black, Sirius' younger brother, who was one of Voldemort's death eaters for only a short time and is thought to have been killed for changing his mind and trying to escape the dark lords service. Could his middle name possibly be Arcturus, which was revealed in 2006 as another Black family name - that of Regulus' grandfather? Or perhaps he was given the name Alphard after his uncle, or some other star name such as Algol... 
*While he was still a death eater and had some access to (or was entrusted with) Voldemort's secrets, Regulus learned where this Horcrux was hidden. He stole the locket to ensure the dark lord wouldn't be able to make use of this particular spare life, and replaced it with a harmless, unmagical look alike- plus a note saying what he'd done. 
*The real horcrux was then 'hidden' in plain view among the Black family assorted oddments and bric-a-brac diplayed in glass fronted cabinets in the drawing room of 12 Grimmauld place. (Here Rowling may have been thinking of Edgar Allen Poe's famous 1845 detective story 'The purloined letter', where repeated in-depth searches-including probing of the furniture-fail to find the vital doucumnet, which all the time has been sitting openly on a letter rack) 
*It's barely possible that this locket was one of the Black family 'treasures' set aside and hidden by Kreacher the demented house-elf, while Sirius Black and his companions are clearing Dark-tainted junk out of the house. 
*Whether or not Kreacher was involved, it seems highly probable that the locket was eventually pinched from 12 Grimmauld place by light fingered Mundungus Fletcher. This si strongly hinted when, in HBP, Harry catches Mundungus trying to flog crested goblets from the Black family silver in the hogs head pub. There seems no reason for this scene to have been written, except to slip in the suggestion that the shadiest member of the Order of the Phoenix has also stolen something nmore important than silverware. 
Conclusion:Harry definitely needs to have a serious little talk with Mundungus. (fin)
Sandpiper 14 mai 2007 à 04:38 (CEST)
thread_title:  The End of Harry Potter, David Langford. Gollancz, isbn 0575078758 

message: La confirmation est donnée dans le Tome 7 que R.A.B. est bien Regulus Arcturus Black. De fait, cette page qui est une page recensant les hypothèses sur la personne se trouvant derrière ces initiales ne sert plus à rien, d'autant plus que la page de Regulus Black existe déjà. Je propose donc la suppression de la page RAB.
Seja 25 juillet 2007 à 21:19 (CEST)
replies: text: Pas faux (et désolé pour la boulette que j'ai faite). Mais faut-il supprimer cette page, ou faire une redirection vers Regulus Black? Perso, je pense qu'une redirection suffit et que ce n'est pas la peine de demander une nouvelle PàS. Captain Thran 27 juillet 2007 à 14:18 (CEST)
replies: text: Dans l'absolu, je ne suis pas contre une redirection. J'ai redemandé la suppression pour ne pas faire une usine à gaz, c'est tout. Il me semble que la seule page qui pointe vers RAB et la page "Horcruxe" J'ai donc remplacé le lien vers RAB pas un lien vers Regulus Black. Mais attendons l'avis d'autres personnes, on avisera. Seja 27 juillet 2007 à 14:40 (CEST)
thread_title:  Suppression de la page