Discussion:HMS Centurion (1732)

message: ...Mais toujours le même problème: comment avoir une image d'époque ?--Arapaima (d) 11 décembre 2008 à 16:47 (CET)
thread_title: Sort fascinant que celui du ''Centurion''

message: Pour la dédicace écrite sous le lion-figure de proue, j'ai essayé de conserver le style noble. Par contre j'ai cherché à  garder à la chanson "Le Centurion ouvrit le bal" son caractère jubilatoire et sautillant. Il me semble qu'on pourrait la chanter sur un air de gigue, du genre fo'c's'le gig , la gigue que les matelots de His Gracious Majesty (qui en principe ne descendaient plus jamais de leur navire une fois enrôlés), dansaient de retour au port avec les femmes qui venaient les retrouver dans leur forecastle, le  gaillard d'avant...--Arapaima (d) 19 décembre 2008 à 11:20 (CET)
thread_title: Pas facile de traduire des vers...

message: ===Hello. Permission to ask another question ?===
How comes that "on 1744, April the 10th, the Admiralty ordered the construction of a replacement ship", while the Centurion reached Spithead only 2 months later, on June, the I5th ? Did the Admiralty have news of the state of Anson's flagship before his arrival ? Or should we read "July" instead of "April" ?  Truly yours...--Arapaima (talk) 09:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm.... the way it reads right now, it appears that the dates are pretty mangled. I don't have any references to check though unfortunately. Martocticvs (talk) 18:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::The information is correct according to Rif's book, specifically "on Voyage round the world 18.9.1740 – 15.6.1744;" and "As Centurion reached home totally worn out, it was first ordered (by AO 10.4.1744) to build a replacement ship in her room....". I've left him a note asking if he can drop by and clear up the matter. Benea (talk) 10:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hello Rif, I wonder if you'd be able to cast your eyes over the current article on HMS Centurion (1732). There's a question been raised on the talkpage about the date of the AO to have a replacement ship built, and the time of Centurion's arrival back in Britain. The current information seems to be correct according to your book, but I wonder if you would be able to confirm this, and check the interpretation of it in the article. It's entirely possible that I've interpreted the information incorrectly. Much obliged, and best wishes, Benea (talk) 10:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Dear Ben, the details in the book are correct, in that the order for the replacement was placed on 10 April 1744, before the Centurion returned from her epic voyage, and certainly before the Navy Board were aware of her condition. The old ship was surveyed after her return, and was in fact found to be worthwhile repairing, so a fresh order was issued on 1 December 1744 to repair her, but as her structure was certainly too weak to continue to bear her original ordnance of 60 guns, she was to be reduced to 50 guns. As her intended replacement was planned to take her name over, the old ship was renamed Eagle on 15 December, but exactly a month later this decision was altered and the two vessels exchanged names, the old ship resuming the name of HMS Centurion and the new-building ship being renamed HMS Eagle.
You may be interested to know that I wrote (although it did not reach publication stage) a book on "The 60-gun Ship" equivalent to my previous volume on "The 50-Gun Ship"; the new book would have focused particularly on the Centurion in the same way as "The 50-Gun Ship" focused on the Leopard, so I made a particular study of Anson's ship.
There is one serious error in the Wiki-article, in that the launch date for the Centurion was 6 January 1733 (as correctly quoted in my book), not 1732. I think this is a consequence of someone reading an old text which did not account for the fact that until September 1752 the year ended on 24th March rather than 31st December. Can someone please change the heading and links!?
I shall post a copy of this exchange on the discussion page for HMS Centurion (1732). Meantime, a Happy Christmas to you (and other readers!). Rif Winfield (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the answer. And what about my first question ("Did  Anson have Hadley's octant during his voyage around the world aboard the Centurion" ?. If somebody can add "français" in the left margin, just to show that the french article exists now, thanks a lot Arapaima (d) 14 février 2009 à 11:37 (CET)
thread_title: Et une question bien innocente a déclenché 1 ''brain storm''...

message: How comes that "on 1744, April the 10th, the Admiralty ordered the construction of a replacement ship", while the Centurion reached Spithead only 2 months later, on June, the I5th ? Did the Admiralty have news of the state of Anson's flagship before his arrival ? Or should we read "July" instead of "April" ?  Truly yours...--Arapaima (talk) 09:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm.... the way it reads right now, it appears that the dates are pretty mangled. I don't have any references to check though unfortunately. Martocticvs (talk) 18:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::The information is correct according to Rif's book, specifically "on Voyage round the world 18.9.1740 – 15.6.1744;" and "As Centurion reached home totally worn out, it was first ordered (by AO 10.4.1744) to build a replacement ship in her room....". I've left him a note asking if he can drop by and clear up the matter. Benea (talk) 10:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hello Rif, I wonder if you'd be able to cast your eyes over the current article on HMS Centurion (1732). There's a question been raised on the talkpage about the date of the AO to have a replacement ship built, and the time of Centurion's arrival back in Britain. The current information seems to be correct according to your book, but I wonder if you would be able to confirm this, and check the interpretation of it in the article. It's entirely possible that I've interpreted the information incorrectly. Much obliged, and best wishes, Benea (talk) 10:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Dear Ben, the details in the book are correct, in that the order for the replacement was placed on 10 April 1744, before the Centurion returned from her epic voyage, and certainly before the Navy Board were aware of her condition. The old ship was surveyed after her return, and was in fact found to be worthwhile repairing, so a fresh order was issued on 1 December 1744 to repair her, but as her structure was certainly too weak to continue to bear her original ordnance of 60 guns, she was to be reduced to 50 guns. As her intended replacement was planned to take her name over, the old ship was renamed Eagle on 15 December, but exactly a month later this decision was altered and the two vessels exchanged names, the old ship resuming the name of HMS Centurion and the new-building ship being renamed HMS Eagle.
You may be interested to know that I wrote (although it did not reach publication stage) a book on "The 60-gun Ship" equivalent to my previous volume on "The 50-Gun Ship"; the new book would have focused particularly on the Centurion in the same way as "The 50-Gun Ship" focused on the Leopard, so I made a particular study of Anson's ship.
There is one serious error in the Wiki-article, in that the launch date for the Centurion was 6 January 1733 (as correctly quoted in my book), not 1732. I think this is a consequence of someone reading an old text which did not account for the fact that until September 1752 the year ended on 24th March rather than 31st December. Can someone please change the heading and links!?
I shall post a copy of this exchange on the discussion page for HMS Centurion (1732). Meantime, a Happy Christmas to you (and other readers!). Rif Winfield (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the answer. And what about my first question ("Did  Anson have Hadley's octant during his voyage around the world aboard the Centurion" ?. If somebody can add "français" in the left margin, just to show that the french article exists now, thanks a lot Arapaima (d) 14 février 2009 à 11:37 (CET)
thread_title: Hello. Permission to ask another question ?