Discussion:Dario de Judicibus/Admissibilité

message: Dear Sir,
since it looks like several people think that the article at issue should not be in this Wikipedia, I removed the page myself. I moved it in my personal user page and I removed also the automatic redirection from the original article so that it cannot be indexed or searched anymore in Wikipedia.fr. I assume this is absolutely correct according to Wikipedia rules.
I do not want to debate about the existence of that page in Wikipedia nor to criticize the opinion of people here, but I was really disappointed by the fact that someone said that I was not a writer or that I never published the books I wrote. I do not think it is correct.
So I took this decision. Thank you everybody.
Regards
--Dejudicibus (d) 13 mars 2008 à 10:01 (CET)

message: Proposé par : Jbw (d) 11 mars 2008 à 10:43 (CET)
replies: text: Again, I do not want to debate about the fact that my name should be or not in Wikipedia. This is something that has to be decided by Wikipedians. It is not suitable that I speak to defend that page. This is not the way Wikipedia works. Everybody should judge independently. The only criteria is consistency. For example, if someone decides that you must have at least 4 published paper books to be here, that criterion should apply to everybody. But I suppose that good criteria cannot be simply based only on number of publications. As you correctly said, every expert writes many articles in technical journal. However the magazines where I wrote were not technical journals but magazines like BYTE or PC Professional. 200 articles on monthly magazines are a lot of years of collaboration with national-wide publications. I undestand, not so famous as BYTE, but they are Italian one only. Sorry. Not my fault. About ISBN I already replied to you in the previous section. I am honestly worried by what you said, because it is a signal of what's happening. Not your fault of course. You rely on Internet and site like Amazon. Amazon and other reliable sites do not index most of Italian books, you do not find the book, so the book does not exist. So, simply because they are not interested to Italian market establish if a book exists or not. I understand how difficult is to let English people how discouraging is that. Thank's God Italian Wikipedia ha a lot of contributes, but what will happen if we slow down to maintain it? What will happen if Italian wikipedians will stop adding contributes. Today it is that which tell you if your culture exists or not. The day an Italian Wikipedia will disappear, the only Italian people you'll find in the English one will be Dante or Pavarotti, probably. Still today, if you ask an America person the name of an Italian modern singer, they will mention Modugno!!! No mention of De André, De Gregori, Dalla, Guccini, Britti, Povia, and many others.  If we disappear from search engines, we will disappear from history. Funny :( --Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 23:18 (CET)

text: Jbw, MC Microcomputer is a paper magazine. It was one of the most popular IT magazine in Italy. It does not exist any more. You cannot find because it was a pre-Internet era magazine. I was one of the first Italian users of Commodore Amiga (a great system) and wrote a very popular series of articles about developing in C on AmigaOS. It was a century ago, it seems. Nobody has converted MC Microcomputer issues in digital format. Again: you do not find it in Internet, so it does not exist. But there was a full world before Internet that was never converted to digital format. Internet is not the world, but part of it. There are poems in Indi and Urdu or Arabic that you will never find in Internet, tales in swahili, painting that nobody reproduced by a digital camera. Do they exist? What's the purpose of Wikipedia? To collect what ALREADY exist in Internet, or to preserve what you can find in real life? It is too easy to cut and paste, but you risk to forget too much culture. Please, do not consider this a criticism. I am here only to defend my existence and the truth of the info in that page, not the page itself. Remove it if you  want, but remember: Internet is not the world.--Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 23:26 (CET)

text: Do you want to remove the articles from Wikipedia? Do it. But do not say that their content is false.--Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 18:29 (CET)

text: In general. Let me give some hints. Data are based from a statistical research made in 2000 by the association of small and medium publishers. In 2000 there were 4.426 publishers in Italy. Only 67% have published at least one title per year. Of that percentage, only one fourth has published at least 10 titles per year. Only few dozens have more than 50 titles per year. There are only 4 big editors which controls the majority of market. Every year are published only 50.000 titles in Italy, most of them are translations of foreign authors. The average number of copies published by a medium publisher per title is only 2.000. Novels are about 55% of titles, essays 18%. The most impressive numbers anyway relates to readers. More than 60% of Italians do not read even a book per year! Only 4% read more than 10 books per year. I do not know which is the situation in France but I suspect it is much better. So, if you publish a book with any Italian publisher but the "four big", selling few dozens of thousand books is an incredible success. If you consider fantasy (the genre of my last works), 98% of titles are translation of American and English authors. For years Italian writers of Sci-Fi and fantasy had to use an anglosaxon pen name to sell their books. Only few of us decided to break this rule because we are trying to make a  cultural change, but cultural changes are very difficult to do: they take time.--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 09:49 (CET)

text: I am sorry if I had to remove the article, but it was used as a pretext to say false statement on me. So I thought the best action for me and for wikipedia was to remove it asap. There was already a certain number of votes asking to remove it, so I accepted the vote. The page is now in my private area, so that anybody can verify if it contains true info or not. I suspect that for somebody this was not a normal vote, but a personal attack. I do not understand why, but I prefer that wikipedia people in good faith are not involved in personal affairs. I will continue to contribute to wikipedia it, en and fr with articles not related to me in any way but only to what I know, of course. Mostly about Italy. Thank you for understanding.--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 12:42 (CET)

text: Le souhait des participants à cette page est exhaussé. S'il y a d'autres griefs, des lieux wikipédiens plus adaptés sont à disposition. jpm2112 Discuter ici 13 mars 2008 à 10:35 (CET)
replies: text: C'est le cas puisqu'il vient de renommer son article en Utilisateur:Dejudicibus/Dario de Judicibus. Sans vouloir préjuger de la fiabilité des infos, ça laisse perplexe sur sa bonne foi! --V°o°xhominis   [allô?] 13 mars 2008 à 17:29 (CET)
replies: text: Même tactique sur WP  Addacat (d) 13 mars 2008 à 17:37 (CET)

text: Tactique???? I am really upset now! I will say that ONCE forever: all the information in that article are absolutely true, so, unless you demonstrate that are false, it is my right to have them in my personal page as well as any other wikipedian. Just few considerations:
# «Autopromotion d'un auteur.» I did not promote myself. I simply published a page that was translated from Italian Wikipedia by a reader of mine to French. The Italian wikipedia page is no more the original one that was debated because the content was not according Wikipedia style: it was rewritten by other wikipedians, included administrator, after verifying that all info were correct. Please, consider that I work since 1986 for a big computer company. If I would like promote myself I had a lot of possibility to ask other people to publish articles about me or to use some of the many mechanisms exist to hide or falsify my IP address. The fact that I published by my ID demonstrate transparency. About IP addresses, please note that I access Internet through LAN, so all people on the same LAN share the same address. I published the translated version of Italian page because I there are several non-Italian authors in Wikipedia with only few book published, so I thought that there was no reason it could not be here (by the way, it does not seem to me that all French, English, American authors mentioned in Wikipedia are equivalent to Dante, Leopardi or Manzoni). But I have no problem to accept a different opinion by vote (this is the way Wikipedia works and this is ok). What I do not accept it is a 360° attack on me by saying false statements like «you never published those books since i cannot find them by ISBN». This is unacceptable. Anyway, some pages have been published by people who I do not even know, like Cherokee one. So, speaking of self-promotion is wrong.
# «Every expert can (and usually have to) publish articles in magazines and journal (ISSN).» True, but I did not published only technical articles. I worked as freelance journalist for several major national montly magazines for more than 20 years. Being or not in Wikipedia does not change what I am or what I did.
# «I've made many search on IBSN databases and well-known libraries unsuccessfully.» This is one of the aspect that is really upsetting me. Most of "international" (really American) book catalog services do not index Italian books, so you will hardly find 88- ISBN in Amazon or other services. This is not only true for Italian books, but also for Spanish and some French too, even if Amazon.fr exists. I think it is really bad that the existence of a book depends on the fact that you can find it by Amazon, Google or other services. Books are paper object. Up to ten years ago, we did not even used ISBN in Italy, so most of books have not even that number. So, according to that guy, all Italian books before 1980 more or less DO NOT EXIST becase they have no ISBN or because nobody cared to mention them in the web.
# «Les termes ... ISSN 1123-2714 ... ne correspondent à aucun document.» This is another example. MC Microcomputer was one of the most popular computer magazine in Italy (not for technical people, for everybody). They do not exist anymore, killed by the arrival of translated USA magazines in Italy. But they were an icon in my country. If you look for "MC Microcomputer" by Google you will find few results, and as far as I know, nobody converted any article to a digital format. When I began to write for them, I do not even send them digital text, but printed one! It was 1988. So, did they ever exist? No, because they cannot be found by Google. 
# «Plusieurs de ses livres ne sont même pas connus (j'ai pas dis disponibles)» Well, I should be really stupid to promote books that cannot even be sold! But that's the point. I am not promoting anything. Seriosly: do you really think that anybody in USA, France or UK will ever read a book of mine, since they are written in Italian? The real problem is that MOST of Italian authors, singers, and artists which express themselves in our beautyful language are simply unknown not because they are not good, but because today who decides if anything exist is Google, Amazon, the English blogsphere. France and Spanish people will survive more than us, but soon or later you will have to face this problem too. So, to be in English wikipedia, you can also be a mostly unknown writer if you write in English, or a singer who was famous for one year. But if you are Italian, Finnish, Egyptian, Malaysian, and so forth, and you write in your own language, you must at least to be a genius! Sorry. I am not. So, it is true I have not to be here.
--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 10:11 (CET)
thread_title:  [[:Dario de Judicibus]] 

message: Toutes les discussions vont ci-dessous.
First of all my apologies since I do not speak French and I cannot write in your language. I was informed by a friend about this discussion and I would like to reply to some people since I think it was said something wrong.
First of all, somebody said that I am not a writer nor a journalist. Here is the list of my publications:
BOOKS
Dario de Judicibus: La Lama Nera, Gruppo Editoriale Armenia, 2006, ISBN 88-344-1882-4
Dario de Judicibus: Le 10 Regole per Vivere Sereni, Gruppo Editoriale Armenia, 2005, ISBN 88-344-1803-4
Dario de Judicibus: Le 10 Regole dei Buoni Genitori, Gruppo Editoriale Armenia, 2003, ISBN 88-344-1505-1
Dario de Judicibus: TCP/IP in Pillole 2a Edizione, Tecniche Nuove, 2002, ISBN 88-481-1441-5
Dario de Judicibus: XML in 6 ore, Tecniche Nuove, 2000, ISBN 88-481-1098-3
Dario de Judicibus: TCP/IP in pillole, Tecniche Nuove, 1999, ISBN 88-481-0798-2
ARTICLES ON MAGAZINES
Dario de Judicibus: 9 articoli, Tecniche Nuove, in: Internet.Pro, 2005-2006, ISSN 1824-8403
Dario de Judicibus: 136 articoli, Tecniche Nuove, in: Internet News, 1996-2003, ISSN 1123-6027
Dario de Judicibus: 5 articoli, Tecniche Nuove, in: e-business News, 2000-2002, ISSN 1590-0355
Dario de Judicibus: 45 articoli, MC, in: MC Microcomputer, 1988-1992, ISSN 1123-2714
OTHER ARTICLES (NEWSPAPER AND TECHNICAL)
Dario de Judicibus, Paolo Gerosa: Il valore della gestione elettronica dei documenti, 
FileNET, in: iged.it, 2007, ISSN 1720-6618
Dario de Judicibus: La riforma dell'affido, Avvenire S.p.A., in: Avvenire, 2003
Dario de Judicibus: Knowledge Extended Framework, IBM Technical Bulletin, in: FR8-2002-0119, 2003
Dario de Judicibus: Il ruolo della tecnologia nella gestione della risorsa più preziosa: il tempo,
Edizioni Ritman, in: Logistica Management, 2003, ISSN 1120-3587
Dario de Judicibus: Quando le comunità si fondono: il caso Nextra, IBM, in: OL3, 2002
Dario de Judicibus: La gestione della conoscenza, FileNET, in: iged.it, 2002, ISSN 1720-6618
Dario de Judicibus: Deep-flat Connectors (DFCs), IBM Technical Bulletin, in: GB8-2000-0150, 2001
Dario de Judicibus: Vivilmare 2000, IschiaPrint S.r.l., in: Il Golfo, 2000
Dario de Judicibus: Intellectual Capital Management, IBM, in: Read.me Magazine, 1998
Dario de Judicibus: Reuse Overview, Reuse Technology Support Center, in: Z325-0700-01, 1994
Dario de Judicibus, Susan Henshaw: Expanding a field to fill in more information or clarify its content,
IBM Technical Bulletin, in: RA8-92-0194, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Re-engineering the Software Development Process, 
IBM Reuse Technology Support Center paper, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Stacked shells, a multiple workplace shell environment, 
IBM Technical Bulletin, in: IT8-93-0006, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Reuse: A Cultural Change, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, 
in: International Workshop on Systematic Reuse, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Hypercode: an hypertext approach to programming, IBM, in: SOFT-HYCD-04, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Lo sviluppo industriale del software., IBM Foundation, 
in: I seminari organizzati, 1989
Dario de Judicibus: Object-Oriented Cookbook: The organization of OO in IBM, IBM, in: OOPS-9005-01, 1990 
R. Nernst, Dario de Judicibus, et al.: OBSERVATION OF THREE P STATES IN THE RADIATIVE DECAY 
OF UPSILON (2S)
American Physics Society, in: Phys.Rev.Lett.54:2195,1985, 1985, ISSN SLAC-PUB-3571
D.P. Barber, Dario de Judicibus, et al.: A PRECISION MEASUREMENT OF THE UPSILON-PRIME MESON MASS, 
American Physics Society, in: Phys.Lett.135B:498,1984, 1983, ISSN DESY 83-067
As you can see I wrote about 200 articles on monthly magazines, so I am a journalist. I also published five books (not self-publishing!) with very well known publishers in Italy (not minor ones) and I am going to publish a sixth one and writing a seventh one (for one of the major publishers in Italy). So I am a writer. I work for IBM since 1986 and I have a reputation of expert in knowledge management and social networking. 
Now, it is up to you to decide if the article should be here or not. I do not debate. I am a wikipedian just to contribute for what I know (mostly articles on Italy and just small corrections since I have difficulties to write in French, even if I can understand it a little bit). I believe in Free Internet and I am in the net since 1986 (Fidonet et al.). But for NO REASON I will accept that someone may say that I am an usurpator. I hope I was very clear.--Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 18:22 (CET)
replies: text: Again, I do not want to debate about the fact that my name should be or not in Wikipedia. This is something that has to be decided by Wikipedians. It is not suitable that I speak to defend that page. This is not the way Wikipedia works. Everybody should judge independently. The only criteria is consistency. For example, if someone decides that you must have at least 4 published paper books to be here, that criterion should apply to everybody. But I suppose that good criteria cannot be simply based only on number of publications. As you correctly said, every expert writes many articles in technical journal. However the magazines where I wrote were not technical journals but magazines like BYTE or PC Professional. 200 articles on monthly magazines are a lot of years of collaboration with national-wide publications. I undestand, not so famous as BYTE, but they are Italian one only. Sorry. Not my fault. About ISBN I already replied to you in the previous section. I am honestly worried by what you said, because it is a signal of what's happening. Not your fault of course. You rely on Internet and site like Amazon. Amazon and other reliable sites do not index most of Italian books, you do not find the book, so the book does not exist. So, simply because they are not interested to Italian market establish if a book exists or not. I understand how difficult is to let English people how discouraging is that. Thank's God Italian Wikipedia ha a lot of contributes, but what will happen if we slow down to maintain it? What will happen if Italian wikipedians will stop adding contributes. Today it is that which tell you if your culture exists or not. The day an Italian Wikipedia will disappear, the only Italian people you'll find in the English one will be Dante or Pavarotti, probably. Still today, if you ask an America person the name of an Italian modern singer, they will mention Modugno!!! No mention of De André, De Gregori, Dalla, Guccini, Britti, Povia, and many others.  If we disappear from search engines, we will disappear from history. Funny :( --Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 23:18 (CET)

text: Jbw, MC Microcomputer is a paper magazine. It was one of the most popular IT magazine in Italy. It does not exist any more. You cannot find because it was a pre-Internet era magazine. I was one of the first Italian users of Commodore Amiga (a great system) and wrote a very popular series of articles about developing in C on AmigaOS. It was a century ago, it seems. Nobody has converted MC Microcomputer issues in digital format. Again: you do not find it in Internet, so it does not exist. But there was a full world before Internet that was never converted to digital format. Internet is not the world, but part of it. There are poems in Indi and Urdu or Arabic that you will never find in Internet, tales in swahili, painting that nobody reproduced by a digital camera. Do they exist? What's the purpose of Wikipedia? To collect what ALREADY exist in Internet, or to preserve what you can find in real life? It is too easy to cut and paste, but you risk to forget too much culture. Please, do not consider this a criticism. I am here only to defend my existence and the truth of the info in that page, not the page itself. Remove it if you  want, but remember: Internet is not the world.--Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 23:26 (CET)

text: Do you want to remove the articles from Wikipedia? Do it. But do not say that their content is false.--Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 18:29 (CET)

text: In general. Let me give some hints. Data are based from a statistical research made in 2000 by the association of small and medium publishers. In 2000 there were 4.426 publishers in Italy. Only 67% have published at least one title per year. Of that percentage, only one fourth has published at least 10 titles per year. Only few dozens have more than 50 titles per year. There are only 4 big editors which controls the majority of market. Every year are published only 50.000 titles in Italy, most of them are translations of foreign authors. The average number of copies published by a medium publisher per title is only 2.000. Novels are about 55% of titles, essays 18%. The most impressive numbers anyway relates to readers. More than 60% of Italians do not read even a book per year! Only 4% read more than 10 books per year. I do not know which is the situation in France but I suspect it is much better. So, if you publish a book with any Italian publisher but the "four big", selling few dozens of thousand books is an incredible success. If you consider fantasy (the genre of my last works), 98% of titles are translation of American and English authors. For years Italian writers of Sci-Fi and fantasy had to use an anglosaxon pen name to sell their books. Only few of us decided to break this rule because we are trying to make a  cultural change, but cultural changes are very difficult to do: they take time.--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 09:49 (CET)

text: I am sorry if I had to remove the article, but it was used as a pretext to say false statement on me. So I thought the best action for me and for wikipedia was to remove it asap. There was already a certain number of votes asking to remove it, so I accepted the vote. The page is now in my private area, so that anybody can verify if it contains true info or not. I suspect that for somebody this was not a normal vote, but a personal attack. I do not understand why, but I prefer that wikipedia people in good faith are not involved in personal affairs. I will continue to contribute to wikipedia it, en and fr with articles not related to me in any way but only to what I know, of course. Mostly about Italy. Thank you for understanding.--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 12:42 (CET)

text: Le souhait des participants à cette page est exhaussé. S'il y a d'autres griefs, des lieux wikipédiens plus adaptés sont à disposition. jpm2112 Discuter ici 13 mars 2008 à 10:35 (CET)
replies: text: C'est le cas puisqu'il vient de renommer son article en Utilisateur:Dejudicibus/Dario de Judicibus. Sans vouloir préjuger de la fiabilité des infos, ça laisse perplexe sur sa bonne foi! --V°o°xhominis   [allô?] 13 mars 2008 à 17:29 (CET)
replies: text: Même tactique sur WP  Addacat (d) 13 mars 2008 à 17:37 (CET)

text: Tactique???? I am really upset now! I will say that ONCE forever: all the information in that article are absolutely true, so, unless you demonstrate that are false, it is my right to have them in my personal page as well as any other wikipedian. Just few considerations:
# «Autopromotion d'un auteur.» I did not promote myself. I simply published a page that was translated from Italian Wikipedia by a reader of mine to French. The Italian wikipedia page is no more the original one that was debated because the content was not according Wikipedia style: it was rewritten by other wikipedians, included administrator, after verifying that all info were correct. Please, consider that I work since 1986 for a big computer company. If I would like promote myself I had a lot of possibility to ask other people to publish articles about me or to use some of the many mechanisms exist to hide or falsify my IP address. The fact that I published by my ID demonstrate transparency. About IP addresses, please note that I access Internet through LAN, so all people on the same LAN share the same address. I published the translated version of Italian page because I there are several non-Italian authors in Wikipedia with only few book published, so I thought that there was no reason it could not be here (by the way, it does not seem to me that all French, English, American authors mentioned in Wikipedia are equivalent to Dante, Leopardi or Manzoni). But I have no problem to accept a different opinion by vote (this is the way Wikipedia works and this is ok). What I do not accept it is a 360° attack on me by saying false statements like «you never published those books since i cannot find them by ISBN». This is unacceptable. Anyway, some pages have been published by people who I do not even know, like Cherokee one. So, speaking of self-promotion is wrong.
# «Every expert can (and usually have to) publish articles in magazines and journal (ISSN).» True, but I did not published only technical articles. I worked as freelance journalist for several major national montly magazines for more than 20 years. Being or not in Wikipedia does not change what I am or what I did.
# «I've made many search on IBSN databases and well-known libraries unsuccessfully.» This is one of the aspect that is really upsetting me. Most of "international" (really American) book catalog services do not index Italian books, so you will hardly find 88- ISBN in Amazon or other services. This is not only true for Italian books, but also for Spanish and some French too, even if Amazon.fr exists. I think it is really bad that the existence of a book depends on the fact that you can find it by Amazon, Google or other services. Books are paper object. Up to ten years ago, we did not even used ISBN in Italy, so most of books have not even that number. So, according to that guy, all Italian books before 1980 more or less DO NOT EXIST becase they have no ISBN or because nobody cared to mention them in the web.
# «Les termes ... ISSN 1123-2714 ... ne correspondent à aucun document.» This is another example. MC Microcomputer was one of the most popular computer magazine in Italy (not for technical people, for everybody). They do not exist anymore, killed by the arrival of translated USA magazines in Italy. But they were an icon in my country. If you look for "MC Microcomputer" by Google you will find few results, and as far as I know, nobody converted any article to a digital format. When I began to write for them, I do not even send them digital text, but printed one! It was 1988. So, did they ever exist? No, because they cannot be found by Google. 
# «Plusieurs de ses livres ne sont même pas connus (j'ai pas dis disponibles)» Well, I should be really stupid to promote books that cannot even be sold! But that's the point. I am not promoting anything. Seriosly: do you really think that anybody in USA, France or UK will ever read a book of mine, since they are written in Italian? The real problem is that MOST of Italian authors, singers, and artists which express themselves in our beautyful language are simply unknown not because they are not good, but because today who decides if anything exist is Google, Amazon, the English blogsphere. France and Spanish people will survive more than us, but soon or later you will have to face this problem too. So, to be in English wikipedia, you can also be a mostly unknown writer if you write in English, or a singer who was famous for one year. But if you are Italian, Finnish, Egyptian, Malaysian, and so forth, and you write in your own language, you must at least to be a genius! Sorry. I am not. So, it is true I have not to be here.
--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 10:11 (CET)
thread_title:  Discussions 

message: 1. Every expert can (and usually have to) publish articles in magazines and journal (ISSN). That does not mean the expert is a journalist
2. You mention your five books. I've made many search on IBSN databases and well-known libraries unsuccessfully. That's the reason of the doubt I've raised about the work may be not published or self published
3. Should you have written published books, that's not enough to be considered as a relevant wikipedia entry. If all the authors with well know IBSN works, even reference books for famed universities and libraries should be mentioned as well-known authors, considered as major event of their birth year and birth date, we would have a proliferation of wikipedia information and thereby a less relevant quality of the information. As an expert of KM you should understand what I mean....--Jbw (d) 11 mars 2008 à 20:54 (CET)
replies: text: Again, I do not want to debate about the fact that my name should be or not in Wikipedia. This is something that has to be decided by Wikipedians. It is not suitable that I speak to defend that page. This is not the way Wikipedia works. Everybody should judge independently. The only criteria is consistency. For example, if someone decides that you must have at least 4 published paper books to be here, that criterion should apply to everybody. But I suppose that good criteria cannot be simply based only on number of publications. As you correctly said, every expert writes many articles in technical journal. However the magazines where I wrote were not technical journals but magazines like BYTE or PC Professional. 200 articles on monthly magazines are a lot of years of collaboration with national-wide publications. I undestand, not so famous as BYTE, but they are Italian one only. Sorry. Not my fault. About ISBN I already replied to you in the previous section. I am honestly worried by what you said, because it is a signal of what's happening. Not your fault of course. You rely on Internet and site like Amazon. Amazon and other reliable sites do not index most of Italian books, you do not find the book, so the book does not exist. So, simply because they are not interested to Italian market establish if a book exists or not. I understand how difficult is to let English people how discouraging is that. Thank's God Italian Wikipedia ha a lot of contributes, but what will happen if we slow down to maintain it? What will happen if Italian wikipedians will stop adding contributes. Today it is that which tell you if your culture exists or not. The day an Italian Wikipedia will disappear, the only Italian people you'll find in the English one will be Dante or Pavarotti, probably. Still today, if you ask an America person the name of an Italian modern singer, they will mention Modugno!!! No mention of De André, De Gregori, Dalla, Guccini, Britti, Povia, and many others.  If we disappear from search engines, we will disappear from history. Funny :( --Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 23:18 (CET)

text: Jbw, MC Microcomputer is a paper magazine. It was one of the most popular IT magazine in Italy. It does not exist any more. You cannot find because it was a pre-Internet era magazine. I was one of the first Italian users of Commodore Amiga (a great system) and wrote a very popular series of articles about developing in C on AmigaOS. It was a century ago, it seems. Nobody has converted MC Microcomputer issues in digital format. Again: you do not find it in Internet, so it does not exist. But there was a full world before Internet that was never converted to digital format. Internet is not the world, but part of it. There are poems in Indi and Urdu or Arabic that you will never find in Internet, tales in swahili, painting that nobody reproduced by a digital camera. Do they exist? What's the purpose of Wikipedia? To collect what ALREADY exist in Internet, or to preserve what you can find in real life? It is too easy to cut and paste, but you risk to forget too much culture. Please, do not consider this a criticism. I am here only to defend my existence and the truth of the info in that page, not the page itself. Remove it if you  want, but remember: Internet is not the world.--Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 23:26 (CET)
thread_title:  Reply to Mr. de Judicibus 

message: Ma demande de suppression de l'article italien de de judicibus vient d'etre rejetée (ce monsieur avec ses aliases est tres influent visiblement sur wikipedia). L'article http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dario_de_Judicibus va donc demeurer et judicibus a atteint ses objectifs. nos enfants seront donc incapables de séparer le bon grain de l'ivraie. Merci à un administrateur global de wikipedia de prendre les mesures qui s'imposent au plus vite--Jbw (d) 11 mars 2008 à 16:34 (CET)
replies: text: Do you want to remove the articles from Wikipedia? Do it. But do not say that their content is false.--Dejudicibus (d) 11 mars 2008 à 18:29 (CET)
thread_title:  Comment faire pour que judicibus ne puisse revenir impunément sur ses posts clandestins ? 

message: M. de Judicibus nous représente que « if a book writer in Italy sell 100.000 copies is a success like an American author to sell 10.000.000 copies ». Parle-t-il de lui ou d'un auteur en général ? Et je me demande comment ce « mondo fantastico ricostruito alla perfezione », ces « personaggi interessanti », ces « sviluppi della trama inaspettati » (je me borne à répéter ce que je lis sur Ciao, un site qui vend de tout et même des livres) n'aient pas enthousiasmé des éditeurs dans d'autres pays. Gustave G. (d) 13 mars 2008 à 10:18 (CET)
replies: text: In general. Let me give some hints. Data are based from a statistical research made in 2000 by the association of small and medium publishers. In 2000 there were 4.426 publishers in Italy. Only 67% have published at least one title per year. Of that percentage, only one fourth has published at least 10 titles per year. Only few dozens have more than 50 titles per year. There are only 4 big editors which controls the majority of market. Every year are published only 50.000 titles in Italy, most of them are translations of foreign authors. The average number of copies published by a medium publisher per title is only 2.000. Novels are about 55% of titles, essays 18%. The most impressive numbers anyway relates to readers. More than 60% of Italians do not read even a book per year! Only 4% read more than 10 books per year. I do not know which is the situation in France but I suspect it is much better. So, if you publish a book with any Italian publisher but the "four big", selling few dozens of thousand books is an incredible success. If you consider fantasy (the genre of my last works), 98% of titles are translation of American and English authors. For years Italian writers of Sci-Fi and fantasy had to use an anglosaxon pen name to sell their books. Only few of us decided to break this rule because we are trying to make a  cultural change, but cultural changes are very difficult to do: they take time.--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 09:49 (CET)
thread_title: Étonnement

message: Dejudicibus a seul retiré l'article et l'a remplacé par une page blanche. Dejudicibus a donc décidé unilatéralement de le supprimer, sans attendre la semaine imposée par les règles de la WP fr. De plus, il a contribué à un article (de manière non-significative, soulignons-le) parlant de lui-même, ce qui est interdit par la WP fr (dans mes souvenirs, en vertu de la NPOV). Serait-il dès lors nécessaire de prendre des sanctions à son égard ? Frór Oook? 13 mars 2008 à 10:23 (CET)
replies: text: I am sorry if I had to remove the article, but it was used as a pretext to say false statement on me. So I thought the best action for me and for wikipedia was to remove it asap. There was already a certain number of votes asking to remove it, so I accepted the vote. The page is now in my private area, so that anybody can verify if it contains true info or not. I suspect that for somebody this was not a normal vote, but a personal attack. I do not understand why, but I prefer that wikipedia people in good faith are not involved in personal affairs. I will continue to contribute to wikipedia it, en and fr with articles not related to me in any way but only to what I know, of course. Mostly about Italy. Thank you for understanding.--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 12:42 (CET)

text: Le souhait des participants à cette page est exhaussé. S'il y a d'autres griefs, des lieux wikipédiens plus adaptés sont à disposition. jpm2112 Discuter ici 13 mars 2008 à 10:35 (CET)
replies: text: C'est le cas puisqu'il vient de renommer son article en Utilisateur:Dejudicibus/Dario de Judicibus. Sans vouloir préjuger de la fiabilité des infos, ça laisse perplexe sur sa bonne foi! --V°o°xhominis   [allô?] 13 mars 2008 à 17:29 (CET)
replies: text: Même tactique sur WP  Addacat (d) 13 mars 2008 à 17:37 (CET)

text: Tactique???? I am really upset now! I will say that ONCE forever: all the information in that article are absolutely true, so, unless you demonstrate that are false, it is my right to have them in my personal page as well as any other wikipedian. Just few considerations:
# «Autopromotion d'un auteur.» I did not promote myself. I simply published a page that was translated from Italian Wikipedia by a reader of mine to French. The Italian wikipedia page is no more the original one that was debated because the content was not according Wikipedia style: it was rewritten by other wikipedians, included administrator, after verifying that all info were correct. Please, consider that I work since 1986 for a big computer company. If I would like promote myself I had a lot of possibility to ask other people to publish articles about me or to use some of the many mechanisms exist to hide or falsify my IP address. The fact that I published by my ID demonstrate transparency. About IP addresses, please note that I access Internet through LAN, so all people on the same LAN share the same address. I published the translated version of Italian page because I there are several non-Italian authors in Wikipedia with only few book published, so I thought that there was no reason it could not be here (by the way, it does not seem to me that all French, English, American authors mentioned in Wikipedia are equivalent to Dante, Leopardi or Manzoni). But I have no problem to accept a different opinion by vote (this is the way Wikipedia works and this is ok). What I do not accept it is a 360° attack on me by saying false statements like «you never published those books since i cannot find them by ISBN». This is unacceptable. Anyway, some pages have been published by people who I do not even know, like Cherokee one. So, speaking of self-promotion is wrong.
# «Every expert can (and usually have to) publish articles in magazines and journal (ISSN).» True, but I did not published only technical articles. I worked as freelance journalist for several major national montly magazines for more than 20 years. Being or not in Wikipedia does not change what I am or what I did.
# «I've made many search on IBSN databases and well-known libraries unsuccessfully.» This is one of the aspect that is really upsetting me. Most of "international" (really American) book catalog services do not index Italian books, so you will hardly find 88- ISBN in Amazon or other services. This is not only true for Italian books, but also for Spanish and some French too, even if Amazon.fr exists. I think it is really bad that the existence of a book depends on the fact that you can find it by Amazon, Google or other services. Books are paper object. Up to ten years ago, we did not even used ISBN in Italy, so most of books have not even that number. So, according to that guy, all Italian books before 1980 more or less DO NOT EXIST becase they have no ISBN or because nobody cared to mention them in the web.
# «Les termes ... ISSN 1123-2714 ... ne correspondent à aucun document.» This is another example. MC Microcomputer was one of the most popular computer magazine in Italy (not for technical people, for everybody). They do not exist anymore, killed by the arrival of translated USA magazines in Italy. But they were an icon in my country. If you look for "MC Microcomputer" by Google you will find few results, and as far as I know, nobody converted any article to a digital format. When I began to write for them, I do not even send them digital text, but printed one! It was 1988. So, did they ever exist? No, because they cannot be found by Google. 
# «Plusieurs de ses livres ne sont même pas connus (j'ai pas dis disponibles)» Well, I should be really stupid to promote books that cannot even be sold! But that's the point. I am not promoting anything. Seriosly: do you really think that anybody in USA, France or UK will ever read a book of mine, since they are written in Italian? The real problem is that MOST of Italian authors, singers, and artists which express themselves in our beautyful language are simply unknown not because they are not good, but because today who decides if anything exist is Google, Amazon, the English blogsphere. France and Spanish people will survive more than us, but soon or later you will have to face this problem too. So, to be in English wikipedia, you can also be a mostly unknown writer if you write in English, or a singer who was famous for one year. But if you are Italian, Finnish, Egyptian, Malaysian, and so forth, and you write in your own language, you must at least to be a genius! Sorry. I am not. So, it is true I have not to be here.
--Dejudicibus (d) 14 mars 2008 à 10:11 (CET)
thread_title:  Article déjà retiré / Article already removed 

message: Je suis un peu intrigué par l'attitude des contributeurs sur it.wikipedia.org, qui effacent à répétition l'insertion des modèles visant à placer la page en PàS. Certes, dans plusieurs cas, la procédure reste incomplète, mais je les trouve quand même un peu pressés... Hégésippe | ±Θ± 13 mars 2008 à 10:32 (CET)
thread_title:  it.wikipedia.org 

message: Entrez ci-dessous votre avis sur l’admissibilité du thème à l’aune de l’existence de sources extérieures et sérieuses ; ce que Wikipédia n’est pas ; ou autres critères d’admissibilité. Il est recommandé d'accentuer l'idée principale en gras (conserver, fusionner, déplacer, supprimer, etc.) pour la rendre plus visible. Vous pouvez éventuellement utiliser un modèle. N’oubliez pas de signer en entrant quatre tildes (~~~~).
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# ça me parait trop louche...et tous ses écrits sont indisponibles sur google...je n'arrive pas à trouver les sources...et c'est vrai que cette démarche de notoriété (jusqu'à noter sa naissance comme un fait marquant...) est dérangeante. Au revoir Nonopoly (d) 11 mars 2008 à 11:25 (CET)
thread_title:  Avis 

message: # ça me parait trop louche...et tous ses écrits sont indisponibles sur google...je n'arrive pas à trouver les sources...et c'est vrai que cette démarche de notoriété (jusqu'à noter sa naissance comme un fait marquant...) est dérangeante. Au revoir Nonopoly (d) 11 mars 2008 à 11:25 (CET)
thread_title: Supprimer