Diskussion:Krystian Zimerman

message: Habe das Foto ersetzt durch ein Foto, dass weniger diffamierend ist. Würde mich freuen wenn die Community das sichtet und dann frei gibt. Danke. Moritz85 (nicht signierter Beitrag von 213.193.119.56 (Diskussion) 10:07, 13. Aug. 2014 (CEST)
replies: text: Zum Stand: Das damals eingefügte Bild existiert nicht mehr, das vorige Bild ist wieder drin. --Lektor w (Diskussion) 08:19, 5. Feb. 2018 (CET)
thread_title:  Künstler-Foto 

message: I see that you added a source to Zimerman's naturalization, this still does not make him a Swiss artist. Calling him a Polish-Swiss artist suggest he has some Swiss origins, or lived and worked in Switzerland for most of his life. In my opinion, this is appropriation Tremendo (Diskussion) 19:58, 24. Feb. 2024 (CET)
replies: text: Hallo. Er ist gemäß Beleg in der Schweiz heimatberechtigt und damit Schweizer Staatsangehöriger. Staatsangehörigkeit gehört ins Intro. Nebenbei ist eher fraglich, ob er überhaupt (noch) Pole ist. --Roger (Diskussion) 20:28, 24. Feb. 2024 (CET)

text: He's living in Switzerland since 1981 (!). That's 43 years, so he has actually lived for the larger part of his life in Switzerland, and he is, as Roger points out, a naturalized Swiss citizen. There's nothing wrong with calling him Polish-Swiss, therefore, quite the contrary, it's only appropriate. An alternative would be to call him "a Swiss artist of Polish origin" or "a Polish-born Swiss artist". Gestumblindi 17:43, 25. Feb. 2024 (CET)
replies: text: While he has been living in Switzerland since 1981 and obtained Swiss nationality, his cultural and artistic roots remain in Poland, his wife and children are Polish (maybe also have Swiss citizenship now). It's common for artists to reside in different countries and even acquire new nationalities, but their identity often reflects their cultural background and artistic heritage. I would argue this is the case for Zimerman, while it may be different for other artists. I agree the second nationality belongs to the intro section, however I believe "Polish artist" who "obtained Swiss nationality in 1984/was naturalized Swiss" would give the most accurate description. Saying "a Swiss artist of Polish origin" or "a Polish-born Swiss artist" would be a large liberty to take, there is no automatic switch of who you are with numbers of years lived in another country. Also I never heard him say in interviews he considers himself a Polish-Swiss artist, if you had a source like that, I would be happy to keep as is. Tremendo (Diskussion) 20:25, 7. Mär. 2024 (CET)
replies: text:  I don't believe it's anyone's intention here to try to take away Krystian Zimerman's cultural and artistic Polish roots in any way - certainly not my intention; I actually have huge respect for Polish culture and am deeply interested in Polish-Swiss cultural and historical relations, e.g. I'm the main author of the article Tadeusz Kościuszko here (and I certainly wouldn't call Kościuszko "Polish-Swiss", as he only lived for the last two years of his life here, of course). Just to, hopefully, clear out the "appropriation" allegation. But on the other hand, it's also true that Zimerman isn't just living an isolated life as a Polish artist who happens to be in Switzerland, as he's an integral part of the cultural landscape of the country of his chosen citizenship, and even shows his connection with local culture e.g. when he played in a charity concert for a library near the place where he lives. So - couldn't we say that "polnisch-schweizerisch" (Polish-Swiss) is actually a good description, given that Switzerland has been the centre of his life for so long and he's actually become Swiss? I think I can agree with you that we don't need to go as far as calling him "a Swiss artist of Polish origin", but "Polish-Swiss" seems quite neutral and fitting to me. - By the way, though I don't have a problem discussing this in English, others here might object or have difficulties with it, as this is the German-language Wikipedia, so I'd suggest, if you want to discuss this further in English, that we do so on your or on my talk page. Gestumblindi 21:19, 7. Mär. 2024 (CET)
thread_title:  polnisch-schweizerischer Pianist