Kategorie Diskussion:Ministerpräsident (Norwegen)

message: In Norway the title ministerpresident is very controversial, because it was the title Quisling used for himself when he assumed "control" over the government of occupied Norway. In Norway the head of government/prime minister is always called statsminister. And for a norwegian at least to call a norwegian prime minister ministerpresident would be an insult... So the only norwegian ministerpresident is Quisling.
:This is true.  But if Ministerpräsident is the term normally used in Germany about Norway's current Prime Minister, it should not offend anyone that that word is used in Wikipedia.  Can someone living in Germany confirm that it is so?
: --Verdlanco (Diskussion) 10:12, 8. Dez 2004 (CET)

message: I agree, but on the page about Norway, the term premierminister is used... and in the page about Kjell Magne Bondevik the terms regierungschef and staatsminister is used. But if there is no difference in German it could be interesting for readers to know about, the history in norway behind the difference between statsminister an ministerpräsident. Inge
:Bitte, de.wikipedia.org ist die deutsche Wikipedia. Die deutsche Bezeichnung für Regierungschef ist Ministerpräsident, und es wird fast immer für die Regierungschefen in Norwegen, Dänemark, Schweden, Großbritannien und anderen Länder verwendet. "Staatsminister" auf deutsch hat eine ganz andere Bedeutung. Auf norwegisch sagen wir ja auch nicht "premierminister" (englisch Prime Minister) wenn wir über Tony Blair reden, aber "statsminister", die norwegische Bezeichnung für Regierungschef.
:Bitte auch deutsch hier schreiben! Englisch können sie hier schreiben: http://en.wikipedia.org
::I hope you will agree that even non-germans have valid opinions. And that you will allow me to contribute to make the German wikipedia a better place even if I speak a different language than you. ~~
Ministerpräsident (Norwegen) Explicitly says that Statsminister means Staatsminister in German. Kjell Magne Bondevik uses both Ministerpräsident and premierminister. Norwegen uses premierminister. Even in the pages about Staatsminister, Ministerpräsident and Premierminister it is not clear that the German word for head of the Norwegian government has to be Ministerpresident. 
"When Germany invaded Norway on April 9, 1940, Quisling became the first person in history to announce a coup d'etat during a news broadcast, declaring an ad-hoc government during the confusion of the invasion, hoping that the Germans would support it. The background for this action was the flight northwards of the King and the government. Quisling had visited Adolf Hitler in Germany the year before and was liked by Hitler, so Quisling's belief that the Germans would back his government was not entirely unfounded. However, Quisling had low popular support, and the Quisling government lasted only five days, after which Josef Terboven was installed as Reichskommissar, the highest official in Norway, reporting directly to Hitler. The relationship between Quisling and Terboven was tense, although Terboven, presumably seeing an advantage in having a Norwegian in a position of power to reduce resentment in the population, named Quisling to the post of Minister President in 1942, a position the self-appointed Fører assumed in 1943, on February 1."
Quisling was never prime minister of Norway. According to the constitution and other laws of Norway this was Johann Nygaardvoll until he stepped down in 1945. When we look at who had the real power in Norway and maybe was the de facto prime minister of Norway it was Josef Terboven. He only let Quisling administrate some areas of Norwegian society some of the time. Quisling himself never claimed the title of prime minister or statsminister. As the only "head of government" in Norwegian history he used the title ministerpresident. There has never been and never will be any other Norwegian minister presidents in Norway but Quisling. All the others are statsministers or in German Staatsminister. 
It is very important to distinguish between the position Quisling held during the war and the post of prime minister of Norway. If not it is an attemt to revise history and it makes the german wikipedia a supplier of wrong information! Please take the time to read the information in other language wikipedias. I want to open a debate about this problem but I am not skilled enough in German to write about it in German myself, I apologize if that offends anyone. I think it is important to find a way to solve this question. My suggestion is to call the Norwegian prime ministers Staatsminister as this is the most close to the Norwegian use. I have asked native Germans if it is possible to do this and they have said yes so I am not taking this out of the blue. But an alternative solution could be to give Quisling a different title in German than Minister Präsident although his title in Norway was ministerpresident. Inge 16:41, 15. Sep 2005 (CEST)
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