Diskussion:Giorgio da Sebenico

message: Thank you and best regards!--71.163.236.199 00:02, 28. Dez. 2011 (CET)
replies: text: Italienisch kann ich nicht, aber auch der englische Artikel widerspricht in dieser Frage massiv der Version in Simple English. Leider ist dessen Autor, der auch beim deutschen Artikel erheblich beigetragen hat, einigen krassen Missverständnissen seiner ohnehin veralteten Quellen aufgesessen. Daher muss der Artikel weiterhin dringend gründlich anhand aktueller Forschungsliteratur überarbeitet werden. --FordPrefect42 (Diskussion) 19:03, 13. Aug. 2017 (CEST)
thread_title:  Please, improve the language 

message: I've already provided full insight into his family name, as it can be seen in the Simple English article version:
==="Juraj Dalmatinac"===
In Croatia, Giorgio Orsini is celebrated as a Croatian sculptor and architect, known under the Croatian name Juraj Dalmatinac. This name is translation of his art name "Georgius Dalmaticus". The translation is coming from the second half of 19th century. Another version of the Orsini's croatised name is Juraj Matejević. This name comes as translation of the "Georgvs Mathei" (Georg, Mathew's son) text  engraved in the marble of St. Jacob cathedral church in SebenicoSlovnik umjetnikah jugoslavenskih od Ivana Kukuljevića Sakcinskog, Tiskom Narodne tiskarne Dra Ludevita Gaja, Zagreb 1858. Page 249. Croatian author Fisković claims that "Orsini", as his family name, was never used by the artist and it was adopted by his son, after the death of his father. Juraj Dalmatinac by C. Fisković and N. Gattin; Zora Publishing House, Zagreb 1983 page 73 His claim is not supported by any documents or records dated back to the times Orsini lived and worked. Fisković's claim is defeated by the home sale contract where Giorgio Orsini was named as the home buyerMoqué, 1914Jackson, 1917. Two Italian authors recorded the use of Giorgio's family name by his son Mateo and grandson Giovanni Per trecentosettantasette anni: la gloria di Venezia nelle testimonianze artistiche della Dalmazia by Giuseppe Maria Pilo, Edizioni della Laguna, 2000, page 37
Giorgio di Matteo Dalmata - com'egli si firma - è probabilmente nativo di Zara e certamente veneziano di formazione ancorché molto noto come Giorgio da Sebenico per avervi a lungo operato e avervi creato con la cattedrale di San Giacomo il suo capolavoro, o come Giorgio Orsini, cognome usato dal figlio Paolo dal 1512, ufficialmente dal 1516, e confermato al nipote Giacomo nel 1540 dal governatore veneziano dela Dalmazia Valerio Orsini quando lo dichiara, anche con i progenitori "ex nostra stirpe Ursina".
 and refuted FiskovicAtti e memorie della Società dalmata di storia patria, Volume 6 Società dalmata di storia patria, La Società, 1969 page 164
Ci siamo dilungati un po' a parlare del figlio Paolo per dimostrare che con era poi quella figura "insignificante" come vorrebbe il Fiskovic.
Croats erected a monument celebrating Orsini in the front of St. Jacob cathedral church in Šibenik, Croatia. This monument, an over-sized standing statue of Orsini, is a work of Yugoslav sculptor Ivan Meštrović. Two elementary schools in Croatia bear that name: one in Pag,Osnovna škola Jurja Dalmatinca Pag and one in Šibenik.Osnovna škola Jurja Dalmatinca Šibenik
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Definitely, there is no place for Juraj Dalmatinac. The "Juraj Dalmatinac" name is an invented name coming from the second half or 19th century, i.e. four hundred years after Giorgio's death.--71.163.236.199 14:28, 2. Jan. 2012 (CET)
replies: text: Da er in der Literatur  gelegentlich unter dem Namen Juraj Dalmatinac auftaucht, sollte man in einem Lexikon herausfinden können, wer damit gemeint ist, daher ist eine Weiterleitung sinnvoll. Auf einen Namen mehr ober weniger (die Namenliste des Dalmatiners ist bisher noch nicht vollständig!) kommts  bei diesem namenreichen Künstler wirklich nicht an.--Gregor Bert 22:24, 5. Jan. 2012 (CET)
thread_title:  Family name 

message: Definitely, there is no place for Juraj Dalmatinac. The "Juraj Dalmatinac" name is an invented name coming from the second half or 19th century, i.e. four hundred years after Giorgio's death.--71.163.236.199 14:28, 2. Jan. 2012 (CET)
replies: text: Da er in der Literatur  gelegentlich unter dem Namen Juraj Dalmatinac auftaucht, sollte man in einem Lexikon herausfinden können, wer damit gemeint ist, daher ist eine Weiterleitung sinnvoll. Auf einen Namen mehr ober weniger (die Namenliste des Dalmatiners ist bisher noch nicht vollständig!) kommts  bei diesem namenreichen Künstler wirklich nicht an.--Gregor Bert 22:24, 5. Jan. 2012 (CET)
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