Diskussion:Esther Cremer

message: According to very significant source
http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/countries/GER/summer/2008/ATH/
she did not take part in Olympics 2008. 
Women's 4 × 400 metres Relay
* Jonna Tilgner
* Sorina Nwachukwu 	
* Florence Ekpo-Umoh 	
* Claudia Hoffman 	
User Laibwächter removed my edit, please enter the source that she took part in Olympics 2008. pjahr 12:24, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: Hi, please take a look at http://ard.ndr.de/barcelona2010/sportler/portraet/portrait166_athleteId-37974.html, which is the source of this information. To my knowledge Esther Cramer started 2008 like Jill Richards 2010 at the EM in the so called "Vorlauf". The english reference listings often lack some information in this case. I think I'll contact her coach for further information. But in case you can see here, that she was very lucky for being nominated for the WM in Berlin, 2009. If she has been nominated 2008 for the Olympic Games her surprise would be even smaller in 2009? --Laibwächter 13:50, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: As I said before, the information at http://ard.ndr.de/barcelona2010/sportler/portraet/portrait166_athleteId-37974.html is copied from German Wikipedia (the same format of the information, can you see it?) You put here mistaken information that was copied and in my opionion it is unacceptable. Pleas give another reliable source like http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/. pjahr 14:03, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: Look at Märkische Allgemeine, which suggested that Cramer took place at the Olympic Games in 2008 but in fact it could be read as the staffel. But at a closer look it's a statement from Claudia Hoffmann: "Und immer habe sie davon geträumt, einmal auf dem Podest stehen zu können. 2003 in Paris bei der Weltmeisterschaft war sie mit Rang vier schon mal dicht dran. Doch es gab auch Tiefpunkte wie bei der WM 2007, als mangels Klasse kein deutsches Quartett nominiert worden war. Danach ging es aber stetig bergauf. 2008 reichte es zu Olympia-Platz acht." NOT Cremer. --Laibwächter 14:23, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

text: So - vielleicht solltest du dich einmal wie jeder deutschsprachige User auf en: auch hier des Deutschen bemühen. So schlecht scheinen ja zumindest deine passiven Deutschkünste nicht zu sein. Das stetige Herunterbeten der selbst nicht fehlerfreien reference.com - Quelle übersieht, dass sowohl die ARD als auch der NDR normalerweise verlässliche Quellen sind. Da aber der en: User stets  meine diesbezüglichen Beiträge überhaupt nicht zur Kenntnis nahm, nimmt mir dieser Sturm im Wasserglas den Spaß am entgegenkommenden huldvollen Englisch. --Laibwächter 14:27, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: I don't speak German, I use translator to understand your language. I leave that subject, if you want mistaken information it is your way to create German Wikipedia. Do what you want to. Regards, pjahr 14:29, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

text: It's a shame, that you use google translator or something else, "understand" the german nuances and think that the german NDR is not reliable. They make the mistake - but normaly there are reliable (errare humanum est). And in fact I see an enormous lack of "assume good faith" on your side. EOD --Laibwächter 14:41, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: Using translator is enough to find mistake at German Wikipedia. And that is a shame. pjahr 14:44, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)
replies: text: LOL - using translator is enough to ignoring the source of misinformation, understandig the history of an mistake and blaming other users for the mistakes of ARD and NDR. Assume good faith, I see, is impossible for you. --Laibwächter 14:50, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

text: Your misunderstanding of "actio et reactio" and ignoring of "asssume good faith" is narrow-minded. You allways ignore the fact that the ARD and NDR, which are normally reliable sources first annonces this detail, many german newspapers also took this detail again, because first the Märkische Allgemeine puts this detail into the newspaper landscape. I've given you several sources for the genesis of misinformation. But you are obvious incapable for seeing the origns. You'll never mistakes, you won't? --Laibwächter 15:25, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)

text: Seit 14:36 Uhr hat er zudem gar keinen Grund mehr hier zu posten. EOD --Laibwächter 15:28, 5. Aug. 2010 (CEST)
thread_title:  Olympics 2008 

message: Ihr wohl größter Einzelerfolg fehlt noch, bei der WM 2013 erreichte sie das Halbfinale. --LA Fan (Diskussion) 08:40, 21. Jan. 2014 (CET)
thread_title:  WM 2013 

message: Sie hat sie über 100 m auf 11,38 s verbessert. --LA Fan (Diskussion) 22:24, 31. Mai 2014 (CEST)
thread_title:  PB