Diskussion:Bataclan

message: Historische und aktuelle Fotos wären wichtig! Robert Schediwy 90.129.197.138 07:10, 16. Mai 2008 (CEST)
thread_title:  Fotos 

message: Zu diesem Lemma stellt sich die zentrale Frage, ob die Editoren eine detaillierten Berichterstattung, die eine intensiven Recherche zu den Ereignissen um den 13. November 2015 gleich kommen würde, widmen soll, oder eine abstrakte Charakterisierung der Ereignisse anstreben.
Denkbar ist, in Detaillfragen zum Ablauf der Anschläge am 13. November auf den Hauptartikel https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroranschl%C3%A4ge_am_13._November_2015_in_Paris#Massaker_im_Bataclan-Theater zu verweisen,und wesentliche Aspekte der Anschläge auf das Bataclan mit starker Quellenreferenz herauszustellen.
In anbetracht der Aktualität der Ereignisse und der hohen medialen Aufmerksamkeit kann die aktuelle Berichterstattung zur Quellensammlung genutzt werden. Vorzugsweise sollten die Belege auf dieser Diskussionsseite zusammengetragen werden. (nicht signierter Beitrag von Dan Alija (Diskussion | Beiträge) 12:29, 20. Nov. 2015 (CET)
thread_title:  Berichterstattung oder Abstraktion 

message: Die Terrorserie von Paris bewirkte gesteigerte Unsicherheiten angesichts der abstrakten Gefahren durch den internationalen Terrorismus.
Da dieser Artikel öfter aufgerufen werden wird, ist ein verantwortungsvoller Umgang mit den Informationen unabdinglich.
Dazu zählt eine an professionellen Standards orientierte Auseinandersetzung mit dem Terrorismus in seinen aktuellen Dimensionen.
Ein Hinweis auf mögliche Vorkehrungen für Clubbetreiber und Besucher von Großveranstaltungen erscheint sinnvoll.
Vorschlag: Ein kurzer Hinweis auf einen "Leitfaden für den Fall eines Angriffs", der von britischen Sicherheitsbehörden nach dem 13.11. veröffentlicht wurde.
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article149020639/An-was-Sie-bei-einem-Terrorangriff-auch-denken-sollten.html
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/recognising-the-terrorist-threat/recognising-the-terrorist-threat
--Dan Alija (Diskussion) 15:09, 20. Nov. 2015 (CET)
thread_title:  Leitfaden für den Fall eines Angriffs 

message: Hat jemand Lust bei der Überarbeitung des Abschnitts zur älteren Geschichte zu helfen?
Ich habe zwei gut recherchierte Artikel gefunden, die einige bedeutende historische Fakten enthalten.
Unten stehende Texte könnten aus dem Französischen bzw. Englischen übersetzt und mit dem Text im Artikel in Einklang gebracht werden.
I. VON DER WEBSITE DES BATACLAN
http://web.archive.org/web/20150714024111/http://www.bataclan.fr/bataclan.php
Le Bataclan’s history is as storied as any of the star acts who have performed there. First opened in 1864 as Le Grand Cafe Chinois-Theatre Bataclan, the 1,500-person-capacity venue originally served as a cafe and music hall, hosting acrobatic, ballet and vaudeville displays, with acts from chanson singer Maurice Chevalier to William Cody, aka Buffalo Bill, the first American “rock star” to perform there in 1892.
From 1926 to the late 1960s, the building operated as a cinema before being converted into a live music venue, with a 1972 concert from reunited Velvet Underground members Lou Reed, John Cale and Nico among the many memorable gigs to have taken place in the past four decades. After being heavily bootlegged through the years, an official live recording of the show was eventually released in 2004, titled Le Bataclan ’72.
Other notable shows that have been staged within the building’s pagoda-style walls include a 1995 concert from a then-little-known Jeff Buckley, which featured him singing (partially in French) a faultless medley of Edith Piaf’s “Je N’en Connais Pas la Fin” and “Hymne a L’amour” to a stunned crowd. The four-track EP Live at Le Bataclan was released the same year, helping to cement Buckley’s reputation. More recently, Sam Smith, Prince, Hole, Blur, Kanye West, Paramore, Kendrick Lamar, Oasis, Snoop Dogg, The Roots, Jill Scott, 30 Seconds to Mars, New Order and Ellie Goulding are just a few of the thousands of artists who have performed there. In addition to music, the venue hosts stand-up comedy and can even be rented out for bar mitzvahs and college reunions (the rows of mobile, fluffy red-velvet seating, though shabby, make the space especially versatile.)
Although the events of Nov. 13 were on an unprecedented scale, it is not the first time that Le Bataclan has been subject to threats of intimidation and violence. In 2011, French newspaper Le Figaro reported that members of Jaish al-Islam, one of Syria’s largest rebel groups, had been planning an attack on the venue because of long-term owners Joel and Pascal Laloux’s perceived support for the state of Israel. Several years prior to that, the venue’s management had received threats from radical extremists for hosting a concert in support of the Israeli border army. These incidents have led to speculation that the venue was deliberately targeted by ISIS, but the terror group did not cite Le Bataclan’s Jewish links in its statement claiming responsibility for the atrocity.
Ownership of Le Bataclan changed hands in September, when the Laloux family sold the business to French media giant Lagardere, with French music companies Alias and Asterios, run respectively by Jules Frutos and Olivier Poubelle (who have managed the venue for more than a decade), acquiring a minority stake.
Fluctuat nec mergitur is a Latin saying that translates to “Tossed but never sunk,” and it’s a motto of sorts for many Parisians. Dominique Revert, the club’s co-manager who was not present the night of the shootings, conjures it now and says it will be Le Bataclan’s raison d’etre moving forward. “It will reopen, no question about it,” he says. “Hearts will be heavy for a few months, a few years. But we will reopen. We will not surrender.” 
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II. With a remarkable 151-year history (hosting Buffalo Bill to Jeff Buckley), Le Bataclan will not be defined solely by this tragedy. 
November 16, 2015
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/magazine-feature/6769303/le-bataclan-history-paris-attacks
"(...) Le Bataclan’s history is as storied as any of the star acts who have performed there. First opened in 1864 as Le Grand Cafe Chinois-Theatre Bataclan, the 1,500-person-capacity venue originally served as a cafe and music hall, hosting acrobatic, ballet and vaudeville displays, with acts from chanson singer Maurice Chevalier to William Cody, aka Buffalo Bill, the first American “rock star” to perform there in 1892.
From 1926 to the late 1960s, the building operated as a cinema before being converted into a live music venue, with a 1972 concert from reunited Velvet Underground members Lou Reed, John Cale and Nico among the many memorable gigs to have taken place in the past four decades. After being heavily bootlegged through the years, an official live recording of the show was eventually released in 2004, titled Le Bataclan ’72.
Other notable shows that have been staged within the building’s pagoda-style walls include a 1995 concert from a then-little-known Jeff Buckley, which featured him singing (partially in French) a faultless medley of Edith Piaf’s “Je N’en Connais Pas la Fin” and “Hymne a L’amour” to a stunned crowd. The four-track EP Live at Le Bataclan was released the same year, helping to cement Buckley’s reputation. More recently, Sam Smith, Prince, Hole, Blur, Kanye West, Paramore, Kendrick Lamar, Oasis, Snoop Dogg, The Roots, Jill Scott, 30 Seconds to Mars, New Order and Ellie Goulding are just a few of the thousands of artists who have performed there. In addition to music, the venue hosts stand-up comedy and can even be rented out for bar mitzvahs and college reunions (the rows of mobile, fluffy red-velvet seating, though shabby, make the space especially versatile.)
Although the events of Nov. 13 were on an unprecedented scale, it is not the first time that Le Bataclan has been subject to threats of intimidation and violence. In 2011, French newspaper Le Figaro reported that members of Jaish al-Islam, one of Syria’s largest rebel groups, had been planning an attack on the venue because of long-term owners Joel and Pascal Laloux’s perceived support for the state of Israel. Several years prior to that, the venue’s management had received threats from radical extremists for hosting a concert in support of the Israeli border army. These incidents have led to speculation that the venue was deliberately targeted by ISIS, but the terror group did not cite Le Bataclan’s Jewish links in its statement claiming responsibility for the atrocity.
Ownership of Le Bataclan changed hands in September, when the Laloux family sold the business to French media giant Lagardere, with French music companies Alias and Asterios, run respectively by Jules Frutos and Olivier Poubelle (who have managed the venue for more than a decade), acquiring a minority stake.
Fluctuat nec mergitur is a Latin saying that translates to “Tossed but never sunk,” and it’s a motto of sorts for many Parisians. Dominique Revert, the club’s co-manager who was not present the night of the shootings, conjures it now and says it will be Le Bataclan’s raison d’etre moving forward. “It will reopen, no question about it,” he says. “Hearts will be heavy for a few months, a few years. But we will reopen. We will not surrender.” 
::   Der Co-Manager des Clubs Dominique Revert, gibt dem dieser Tage unter Parisern weit verbreiteten Sprichwort Fluctuat nec mergitur neue Konjunktur und sagte, es wird 'Le Bataclan’s raison d’etre" weiterzumachen. Es werde wiedereröffnen, darüber besteht keine Frage, Herzen werden schwer sein für einige Monate, einige Jahre, aber wir werden wiedereröffnen. Wir werden nicht aufgeben.--Dan Alija (Diskussion) 20:01, 21. Nov. 2015 (CET)
thread_title:  Geschichte - Überarbeitung 

message: Jeremy Allen: Le Bataclan Manager on Paris Tragedy: 'We Will Not Surrender'. In: Billboard. Abgerufen am 21. November 2015.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/magazine-feature/6769303/le-bataclan-history-paris-attacks
Alle Zitate aus oben bezeichneter Quelle:
"The chinoiserie-style theatre was built in 1864 and opened the following year. It has played an integral part in Paris’s musical scene ever since it closed as a cinema and reopened as a salle de spectacle in the early 70s."
Music journalist Simon Price:
“It’s one of those beautiful old Parisian theatres that always felt like a privilege to walk into,” he told me. “You’d go out of your way to see a band if you knew they were playing there, as opposed to some nondescript boxy shed of a venue, because you were aware that you were stepping into history, walking with the ghosts of la belle époque. A concert there felt luxurious – an experience rather than just a night out.”
"The venue hasn’t been without its controversies, and saw demonstrations outside the building from anti-Zionist groups in 2007 and 2008 because of pro-Israeli events held there. Jewish brothers Joël and Pascal Laloux sold the venue two months ago because of threats from Isis, according to the Times of Israel. The Bataclan also hosted the Who Is Malcolm X? birthday party in May, featuring devout Islamic French rappers such as Kery James, Faada Freddy, Disiz and Médine."
::: auf die Kontroversen würde ich explizit hinweisen, zumal das zeigt, dass sich das Bataclan in kulturhistorischen Fragen eben nicht einseitig positioniert, sondern historische Vorbilder, wie Malcom X (der eben auch eine radikale Auffassung des Islam vertrat) durchaus zur Disposition stellte.
“Le Bataclan’s long-serving family sold up after 40 years in charge in September, and under their hand the venue did court controversy from time to time,” says France 24’s music editor, Mark Thompson. “But at its heart, this is a place where music and good times always came first and where some of music’s biggest names have had some of their greatest moments.
“The name Bataclan is synonymous with French rock, like Brixton Academy or the much-missed London Astoria,” says Russell Williams, a university lecturer at the American University of Paris. “If you’re a young band booked to play the Bataclan, it means you’ve arrived.”
Whether that will continue to be the case remains to be seen, though co-manager Dominique Revert told Canal+ on Sunday that the venue will eventually reopen. “The [atmosphere] will feel a bit heavy for a few months, a few years,” he said, “but to not open it would be to capitulate. Of course the Bataclan will reopen.”
“Over the years the venue has had to rebuild, repurpose and reinvent itself on numerous occasions,” Thompson says. “It will do the same again and it will have more support than ever as it attempts to do so.”
--Dan Alija (Diskussion) 21:20, 21. Nov. 2015 (CET)
thread_title:  Charakterisierung und Bedeutung des Bataclan 

message: Diese beiden Kategorien JA oder NEIN?
Kategorie:Islamistischer Terroranschlag & Kategorie:Terroristischer Sprengstoffanschlag
--Koelnfan (Diskussion) 00:57, 28. Nov. 2015 (CET)
replies: text: Nun ja, in diesen Kategorien ist eigentlich immer nur der  Hauptartikel  über den jeweiligen Anschlag vertreten. --Janjonas (Diskussion) 13:01, 28. Nov. 2015 (CET)

text: Nein, das passt auch systematisch nicht. --Schelm (Diskussion) 15:39, 13. Jan. 2016 (CET)

text: Passt systematisch nicht, in diesen Kategorien sind die Artikel über die Anschläge eingeordnet, aber nicht die Orte. --Invisigoth67 (Disk.) 17:49, 14. Jan. 2016 (CET)
thread_title:  Kategorien 

message: Gab es ein hohes Polizeiaufgebot um einen neuerlichen islamistischen Anschlag auszuschließen? (nicht signierter Beitrag von 88.78.1.53 (Diskussion) 19:44, 14. Nov. 2016 (CET)
thread_title:  Wiedereröffnung 

message: Sollte gelegentlich verschoben, siehe hier und bei Bataclan ein Weiterleitungshinweis gesetzt werden. Tokota (Diskussion) 16:03, 5. Mai 2018 (CEST)
replies: text: Ist eher ein Fall von BKL II. Sollte es irgendwann mehrere Bataclan-Artikel geben, einfach eine Begriffsklärungsseite Bataclan (Begriffsklärung) anlegen und hier umseitig einen BKH-Baustein setzen. Gruß --Invisigoth67 (Disk.) 16:21, 5. Mai 2018 (CEST)
thread_title:  Verschiebung [[Bataclan (Theater)]]