Diskussion:Zweiter Koalitionskrieg

message: Ich schlage vor, die o.e Schlacht dem Artikel anzufügen. Dieser meines Erachtens oft zu Unrecht ignorierten Schlacht des Zweiten Koalitionskrieges fielen auf beiden Seiten insgesamt über 22.000 Soldaten zum Opfer (Getötete, Verwundete, Vermisste zusammengerechnet) und hatte u.a. das Ende der Existenz des neutralen und seit Mitte des 14. Jahrhunerts unabhängigen Fürsterzbistums Salzburg zur Folge. Ein Artikel zur Schlacht ist auf Wikipedia schon verfasst worden (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlacht_am_Walserfeld). Übrigens ist die Bezeichnung Schlacht "auf dem" Walserfeld geläufiger als "am" Walserfeld, da sie tatsächlich "auf" diesem Feld statgefunden hat und nicht "neben" dem Feld.
LG
Ulrich (nicht signierter Beitrag von 87.252.227.88 (Diskussion) 11:55, 23. Sep. 2012 (CEST)
thread_title:  Schlacht auf dem Walserfeld, 12.-14. Dezember 1800 

message: Unfortunately my German writing is not that well, but please feel free to answer in German if you prefer, because I can read it fine.:)
Dear colleagues,
There are many contradictions in European historiography about what to call this war. For example, according to the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica, "the peace of 1801-1803—closes the “Revolutionary” and opens the “Napoleonic” era of land warfare". English Wikipedia follows this periodisation; it does not count the number of French Revolutionary Wars or Napoleonic Wars using an ordinal number, only the Coalition Wars are given a number, 1st till 7th. This de facto means that in Anglo-Saxon historiography (if Britannica and English Wikipedia are a fair representation of it), the Third Coalition War is the first "Napoleonic" war.
The digital Dutch encyclopedia Encarta Winkler Prins (2003), which has a similar status in the Netherlands as the Britannica does in the UK, notes in its entry "coalitieoorlogen" (transl.): "In particular, one refers to coalition wars in relation to the seven wars that the European powers waged against the French Republic and Napoleon since 1793. A different name for the First and Second Coalition War is the French Revolution Wars: their goal was to stop the spread of the ideas of the French Revolution." Although it nowhere defines the start of the Napoleonic Wars (in many articles, one is redirected to the entry "coalietieoorlogen", and the entry "napoleontische oorlogen" is itself a redirect to "coalietieoorlogen" as well), all references in other articles appear to follow Anglo-Saxon custom to start them with the Third Coalition War. (The only anomaly seems to be a passage about the Egyptian Expedition, where the "Napoleonic army" is mentioned; however, this does not necessarily mean Encarta claims this conflict was part of the "Napoleonic Wars").
 
Is "Erster Napoleonischer Krieg" really synonymous with "Zweiter Koalitionskrieg"? Is this a common numbering in German language historiography? No source is cited for this claim in the article. I've done a few Google searches for the German term, and most do equate them, but a few identify the Third Coalition War as the "Erster Napoleonischer Krieg". For example, the phrase "Den ersten Napoleonischen Krieg führte er mit England (1803 - 1806)" shows up several times, although the sources are not reliable. Very few results on Google Books, any even fewer of them are clear on periodisation. This one, for example, mentions it between 1797 and 1801, which would mean the Second Coalition War. This one mentions that Prussia made peace with France in Basel in 1795 "In sogenannten 1. napoleonischen Krieg." Gruß, Nederlandse Leeuw (Diskussion) 21:51, 28. Mai 2016 (CEST)
thread_title:  "Erster Napoleonischer Krieg"? 

message: @Kleombrotos Ich würde gern die im Text nicht verwendete Literatur streichen, wärst du damit einverstanden ?
Gruß --Mr.Lovecraft (Diskussion) 17:06, 19. Jan. 2024 (CET)
thread_title:  Literatur