Diskussion:Vibraction

message: Der Tilbury stammt aus 1986 von der Firma Stylisme et Mecanique aus Sportive in Coignieres. (nicht signierter Beitrag von 79.97.206.182 (Diskussion) 22:51, 13. Dez. 2010 (CET)
replies: text: Dies war meines Erachtens ein typischer Artikel des Erstellers AlexanderFPbusse. Die Quellen (1997-2002) stimmten nicht. Der mehrfach betonte Markenname Vibraction steht so gar nicht in den Autokatalogen. Der Pachiaudi war auch keineswegs eine Entwicklung von Vibraction, denn Pachiaudi steht von 1995-1997 in der Beaulieu-Enzyklopädie unter P. Ich habe jetzt Rotlinks zu Martin (Automarke) und Pachiaudi angelegt, zu denen ich mir vornehme, im Laufe des Jahres Artikel zur jeweiligen Marke zu erstellen. Vibraction als Hersteller kann bestehen bleiben, aber nicht als Marke und somit nicht in der Navileiste. --Buch-t (Diskussion) 16:52, 6. Apr. 2013 (CEST)
replies: text: Artikel ausgebaut. Artikel zu Pachiaudi und Tilbury (Automarke) folgen. --Buch-t (Diskussion) 19:37, 6. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: If this firm has produced that cars (if illegaly or not) then there is abolutely no reason to remove the car out of the history of this firm. If that firm has actually produced the cars without license then this would be an interesting aspect of the history of that firm. But for that we need reliable sources that proof this interpretation. It does not  suffice that simply somebody (of the family) declares it nowadays as illegal. And forum postings are no reliable sources. --Micha 11:59, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: This has nothing to do with trust or doubts. That are the rules here and the rules of scientific work. Wikipedia:Belege, :fr:Wikipédia:Vérifiabilité. Everybody has to follow them inside Wikipedia. Personal point of views such of forums (or there owners) are actually no reliable sources. If you have official documents which proof the facts then make it public and it can be used as references. --Micha 13:17, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: (edit conflict) Reliable sources are only that ones which are verifiable for everybody. A book in a library can be loaned out of everybody. A document of a public archiv can be accessed by everyone. A public link in the internet can be seen by everyone. If I personally checked the evidences on your forum and I was convinced later then I would become only a witness. I would also not become a reliable source for this article too. The only way is to find reliable and verifiable sources which can be accessed by everyone. Otherwise your truth will stay just like it is at the moment, a private one. --Micha 14:19, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: The language of the source is irrelevant. Public accessable and reliable (ex. official documents) are important. --Micha 14:22, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source for other Wikipedia articles. If this is your purpose. - If it wasn't I do not find the sources there. There are the same links to the forum. - Sorry, but I have ask again: Are there any official documents there which proofs your point? If yes, show me. And show me them in a way which other also can verify it. --Micha 14:58, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: I have to proof nothing. --Micha 15:22, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: The actual reference: The Beaulieu Encyclopedia of the Automobile. Volume 3: P–Z. Fitzroy Dearborn Publishers, Chicago 2001, ISBN 1-57958-293-1, S. 1169 und S. 1592. (englisch) --Micha 15:23, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: (edit conflict) I'm not the author of this artice (and honestly not even interested in). I'm a sysop and that's why I explained the rules. If you think you have found reliable sources like magazines about automobiles then use it. But I recommend to write the changes first here on the talk page. And find somebody which is able to contribute in german. --Micha 15:57, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)

text: There is no advertising and no plagiarism. Have you actually understood what is written there? --Micha 15:58, 10. Dez. 2013 (CET)
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