Diskussion:Astrid Benöhr

message: She just holds the world records for women. 
73:18:16	Emmanuel Conraux (FRA)	Monterrey (MEX), 2005
http://www.iutasport.com/?page=records http://www.triathlonweb.nl/dutch/records.htm
/HGJ345 20:41, 10. Mär. 2010 (CET)
replies: text: Please note, that she was the overall record holder at that time. The article does not state, that she is the actual record holder. I heartly beg you to not edit this article anymore, because what you put in is all but German language. At the time when she ran the records, the IUTA wasn’t founded at all. Rgds --Goodgirl R.I.P. Bradypus 10:11, 11. Mär. 2010 (CET)
thread_title:  Just women record holder 

message: Diese Seite berichtet über Benöhrs Disqualifikation beim DecaTriathlon Mexico 1998. Die dort als Quelle angegebene Seite von David Blaikie ist leider nicht mehr aufrufbar. Hierfür sollte man noch einigermaßen plausible Quellen finden, bevor das in den Artikel eingebaut wird. --Goodgirl R.I.P. Bradypus 11:09, 11. Mär. 2010 (CET)
thread_title:  Vermutliche Disqualifikation und Gründe 

message: Ihre Weltbestzeit (damals noch nicht als Welt„rekord“ geführt) stammt vom Rennen in Luckau. Wo finden sich Quellen, seit wann die IUTA offizelle Rekorde führt? --Goodgirl R.I.P. Bradypus 11:09, 11. Mär. 2010 (CET)
replies: text: Hier findet sich ein Interview mit Benöhr. Dort berichtet sie, sie habe etwa 180 Ironman-Distanzen hinter sich gebracht. In der Einleitung wird ihre Leistung von Luckau als Weltrekord bezeichnet. Die Quelle (auch wenn es ein Interview ist) würde ich als recht zuverlässig einschätzen. --Goodgirl R.I.P. Bradypus 11:23, 11. Mär. 2010 (CET)
replies: text: It is neither best time ever or world record. If I claim that I ran 100 meters on 9.30 yesterday it will still not be world record or best time ever. For the same reason my race isnt counted her race isnt counted. Required verifications are missing. The verifications include for instance crew that actually notice if the athlete does the actual distance. Especially important to have in mind in this case when we deal with an athlete which cheating by shortcuts is well documented. http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/ultramentor/results/mexico_deca.html  /HGJ345 18:11, 11. Mär. 2010 (CET)
replies: text:  Nobody ever made a case that she herself just said she had gone the distance that fast, the organizational crew of the race in Luckau took care of timekeeping and lap counting. There seemed to be quite a well organized umpiring crew. I remember the TV report on that particular event, but my recollection is not a valid source. The website you mention is the only one that reports a possible cheat of Benöhrs. Nevertheless there is no statement by officials if she was disqualified because she really cheated. However, the report originates from competitors, you could even think of an act of malevolence by those. Additionally, the report covers the poor organization in Monterrey, which must be taken into account when reading about such an incident. On the other hand there is also a possibility, that if she shortcut this might have happened unintentional. Going such distances sets one in a complete different state of mind, sometimes apart from all environment and reality. So the “well documented” deception lacks some essential information and is only reported on a single website, hosted under the wings of a private website mass hoster. To go from there and assume she always cheats, because she maybe did it once is not acceptable. Barring the truth about that specific race in Mexico 1998, her achievements are truly remarkable and outstanding. So I do not agree with your latest edit where you scrapped the word “herausragend”. Maybe we should wait for some more comments on the case, possibly on the discussion page of Ultratriathlon? Regards --Goodgirl R.I.P. Bradypus 19:35, 11. Mär. 2010 (CET)
replies: text:  That she cheated once has nothing to do with that her race wasnt counted. The simple reason as I stated above is that her race cant be verified as correct. I see nothing strange as this is the case in all sports. It is not up to others to prove that the athletes race wasnt correct. It is up to the athlete to have required verifications. I still wonder why she has 20% better times whenever she runs alone but still that has nothing to do with that her record wasnt counted./HGJ345 20:52, 11. Mär. 2010 (CET)
replies: text: About "herausragend"(outstanding). I removed it simply because you dont write an wikiarticle that way. It is journalist language. I think everyone that run so fast is outstanding but it is better to let the facts talk and let the reader decide. Thanx for bringing up the discussion. /HGJ345 21:00, 11. Mär. 2010 (CET)
thread_title:  Weltrekord oder Weltbestzeit?