Diskussion:San Diego (Schiff, 1907)

message: Die Position ist Umstritten:
Genaue offizielle Angaben bisher nur bei: 
https://wrecks.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/viewer/
Aber auch da gibt es mindestens 3 Einträge (vielleicht hab ich nicht alle gefunden) und die sind leider nicht direkt verlinkbar (deshalb siehe weiter unten die Einträge als Zitate in weiteren Unterabschnitten) 
* Record: 1653
** Latitude: 40.550098, Longitude: -73.007889 Positional Accuracy: Low
* Record: 1650
** Latitude: 40.54055, Longitude: -73.041397 Positional Accuracy: High
* Record: 1655
** Latitude: 40.554268, Longitude: -73.021774 Positional Accuracy: Low
Ich denke das da Record: 1650 die genaueste Angabe ist, aber wie trägt man das dann (mit Quelle) in Wikidata ein (hab es versucht, ist gescheitert durch Angabe der Quelle, die ja auch nicht direkt verlinkbar ist)
=== Andere Wikis ===
Andere Wikis haben da auch noch andere Koordinaten
:en: 40°33′0.36″N 73°0′28.39″W (Quelle unbekannt) entspricht 40.5501 ,-73.007886
:fa & ja: keine
:wikidata: 40°32'15"N, 73°2'14"W  (Quelle unbekannt) entspricht 40.5375° 	-73.037222°
=== Quellen ===
Leider nicht genau auf den Fundort verlinkbar: Man muß schon wissen wo man genau suchen muß:
https://wrecks.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/viewer/
====Record: 1653====
Zitat:
Vesselterms:: SAN DIEGO Type: Wreck - Submerged, nondangerous Latitude: 40.550098 Longitude: -73.007889 Positional Accuracy: Low Year Sunk: None Depth: 0 Depth Units: History: 01653 HISTORY CL347/58--1957 NAVY WK LIST, NO.1360; UNKNOWN WK SANK 1918, POSITION ACCUR. 1 MILE AT POS.40-33N, 73-00-33W, WRECKAGE SCATTERED; ORIGINATING SOURCE SAID TO BE NM DATED 10/30/19 (NO NM IS DATED 10/30/19, BUT NM44/19 DATED 11/1/19 MENTIONS WRECK) H6189/36--NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION H9577/75--OPR-517; NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION. SURVEY REQUIREMENTS MISCELLANEOUS; DOES NOT EXIST AT THIS POSITION, WK FOUND AT POS.40-32-25.62N, 73-02-30.64W. 
====Record: 1650====
Zitat:
Vesselterms:: SAN DIEGO Type: Wreck - Submerged, dangerous to surface navigation Latitude: 40.54055 Longitude: -73.041397 Positional Accuracy: High Year Sunk: None Depth: 53 Depth Units: Feet and tenths History: HISTORY NM30/18--OBSTRUCTION BUOY HS, 2ND CLASS NUN, WAS ESTAB. JULY 19 IN 15 FMS ì ABOUT 50 YARDS WEST OF OBSTR. OVER WHICH THERE IS 6.5 FMS OF WATER; ì SHINNECOCK BAY LH BEARS 52 DEG (M), FIRE ISLAND LH BEARS 297 DEG (M), LONE ì HILL CG STATION BEARS 339 DEG (M). NM31/18--OBSTRUCTION GAS BUOY HS ESTAB. JULY 27 IN PLACE OF OBSTRUCTION ì BUOY HS, THEN DISCONTINUED. NM44/19--BUOY DISCONTINUED OCT. 21, THE WK HAVING DISAPPEARED (CHARTS ì CARRIED NO WK SYMBOL AT THIS TIME) NM30/18--SEE ABOVE (NON-DANGEROUS WK APPLIED TO CHART IN 1955 AFTER ì RE-EVALUATING NM) H6189/36--NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION. CL347/58--1957 NAVY WK LIST; TWO WKS LISTED; NO.115, SAN DIEGO AT POSITION ì 40-33-15N, 73-01-20W AND UNKNOWN AT POSITION 40-33N, 73-00-30W (BOTH CHARTED ì AS NON-DANGEROUS, THE UNKNOWN IS ASSUMED TO BE THE SAN DIEGO BASED ON THE ì REFERENCE TO AN NM DATED 10/30/19 AS THE SOURCE. ALTHOUGH NO NM IS DATED ì SUCH NM44/19 IS DATED 11/1/19 AND PERTAINS TO THE SAN DIEGO) CL351/59--PRIVATE LETTER; ALTHOUGH PART OF LTR IS MISSING AUTHOR APPARENTLY ì INDICATES THAT WKS CHARTED AT POS.40-33N, 73-00-30W AND 40-33-15N, 73-01-20W ì ARE NOT CORRECT AND A WK SHOULD BE CHARTED AT 40-32-25N, 73-02-35W. (A WK IS ì ADDED AS RECOMMENDED BUT NO WKS ARE REMOVED AS RECOMMENDED) H9577/75--OPR-517, PSR 5; PSR REQUIRED INVESTIGATION OF 2 BARGES REPORTED ì SUNK HERE THRU LNM34/74, LNM35/74 LNM38/74; WK FOUND ON MAINSCHEME, DIVERS ì IDENTIFY AS A 500 FT L VESSEL, LYING INTACT KEEL UP IN 90 FT OF WATER, ì ORIENTATION IS BOW NORTH, STERN SOUTH AND LETTERS EG VISIBLE ON STERN, LD IS ì 53 FT (MLW) AT POS.40-32-25.62N, 73-02-30.64W. DESCRIPTION 195 LORAN-C RATES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY MR. RICHARD TARACKA, ì GREENWICH, CT. POLICE DEPT., TEL. NO. 203-622-8020; 9960-X ì 26542.9, 9960-Y 43692.8 (ENTERED MSM 6/89) **** NAVY--SHIPS HISTORY BRANCH; SAN DIEGO IS FORMER ARMORED CRUISER ì CALIFORNIA, NO.6; 503 FT L, 69.5 FT W, TWIN SCREW RAMMING TYPE BOW, ì RAISED ARMOR BELT AT WATERLINE, NAME ON STERN; SUNK BY CONTACT MINE LAYED ì BY GERMAN SUB. U-156, RECORD DOES NOT INDICATE POINT OF HULL RUPTURE BUT ì THOUGHT TO BE NEAR BOW ON PORT SIDE SINCE VESSEL LISTED TO PORT; WK ì PROBABLY STILL CONTAINS LIVE ORDNANCE AND TORPEDOES, ALSO HUMAN REMAINS, ì THERE IS NO RECORD OF SALVAGE BY NAVY AND WK HAS NOT BEEN ABANDONED. ì ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTION IN DICTIONARY OF AMERICAN NAVAL FIGHTING SHIPS, ì VOLUME 2, PG 13. **** UNDERSEA SYSTEMS, INC, BOB SHOUROT; WK IS LOCATED AT LORAN C POSITION ì 9930-Y-50643, 9930-Z-69873.RATES ARE 1982 OBSERVED AND WITHOUT CORRECTION ì PLOT ON CHART 12353, 13TH ED. AT POS.40-32-35N, 73-02-43W. ì WK IS UPSIDE DOWN AND ORIENTED BOW 20 DEG STERN 200 DEG 10 FM LD. ì POPULAR DIVE W/EASY ACCESS INTO HULL. DIVERS HAVE OBSERVED A SCOW SUNK ì ON STARBOARD SIDE OF WK, THOUGHT TO BE THE WK REPORTED THRU LNM34,35, 38 ì AND 54 OF 1974. MR SHOUROT SAYS OWNER OF SCOW WAS ATTEMPTING TO ILLEGALLY ì REMOVE A PROPELLOR WHEN IT SANK AND SUBSEQUENTLY REPORTED A SECOND ì SINKING TO CONCEAL HIS ORIGINAL ACTIVITY. SHOUROT IS SURE THAT ONLY ì ONE SCOW EXISTS IN THIS AREA.
====Record: 1655====
Zitat:
Vesselterms:: SAN DIEGO Type: Wreck - Submerged, nondangerous Latitude: 40.554268 Longitude: -73.021774 Positional Accuracy: Low Year Sunk: None Depth: 0 Depth Units: History: 01655 HISTORY CL347/58--1957 NAVY WRECK LIST, NO.115; CRUISER, 13680 GT, SUNK 7/19/18 BY MINE, POS. ACCUR. 1 MILE AT 40-33-15N, 73-01-20W (WK ALREADY CHARTED PER NM DETAILED UNDER OTHER SAN DIEGO LISTING) H6189/36--NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION H9557/75--OPR-517; NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION. DESCRIPTION 60 4/1/23 SURVEY REQUIREMENTS MISCELLANEOUS; DOES NOT EXIST AT THIS POSITION, WK FOUND AT POS.40-32-25.62N, 73-02-30.64W.
: Ich denke, der Eintrag 1650 wird der richtige sein. Allerdings muss ich mich auch erst einmal belesen, wie man diese Koords in den Artikel einbaut.--Matthiask de (Diskussion) 00:59, 3. Feb. 2019 (CET)
thread_title:  Position des Wracks 

message: Leider nicht genau auf den Fundort verlinkbar: Man muß schon wissen wo man genau suchen muß:
https://wrecks.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/viewer/
====Record: 1653====
Zitat:
Vesselterms:: SAN DIEGO Type: Wreck - Submerged, nondangerous Latitude: 40.550098 Longitude: -73.007889 Positional Accuracy: Low Year Sunk: None Depth: 0 Depth Units: History: 01653 HISTORY CL347/58--1957 NAVY WK LIST, NO.1360; UNKNOWN WK SANK 1918, POSITION ACCUR. 1 MILE AT POS.40-33N, 73-00-33W, WRECKAGE SCATTERED; ORIGINATING SOURCE SAID TO BE NM DATED 10/30/19 (NO NM IS DATED 10/30/19, BUT NM44/19 DATED 11/1/19 MENTIONS WRECK) H6189/36--NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION H9577/75--OPR-517; NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION. SURVEY REQUIREMENTS MISCELLANEOUS; DOES NOT EXIST AT THIS POSITION, WK FOUND AT POS.40-32-25.62N, 73-02-30.64W. 
====Record: 1650====
Zitat:
Vesselterms:: SAN DIEGO Type: Wreck - Submerged, dangerous to surface navigation Latitude: 40.54055 Longitude: -73.041397 Positional Accuracy: High Year Sunk: None Depth: 53 Depth Units: Feet and tenths History: HISTORY NM30/18--OBSTRUCTION BUOY HS, 2ND CLASS NUN, WAS ESTAB. JULY 19 IN 15 FMS ì ABOUT 50 YARDS WEST OF OBSTR. OVER WHICH THERE IS 6.5 FMS OF WATER; ì SHINNECOCK BAY LH BEARS 52 DEG (M), FIRE ISLAND LH BEARS 297 DEG (M), LONE ì HILL CG STATION BEARS 339 DEG (M). NM31/18--OBSTRUCTION GAS BUOY HS ESTAB. JULY 27 IN PLACE OF OBSTRUCTION ì BUOY HS, THEN DISCONTINUED. NM44/19--BUOY DISCONTINUED OCT. 21, THE WK HAVING DISAPPEARED (CHARTS ì CARRIED NO WK SYMBOL AT THIS TIME) NM30/18--SEE ABOVE (NON-DANGEROUS WK APPLIED TO CHART IN 1955 AFTER ì RE-EVALUATING NM) H6189/36--NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION. CL347/58--1957 NAVY WK LIST; TWO WKS LISTED; NO.115, SAN DIEGO AT POSITION ì 40-33-15N, 73-01-20W AND UNKNOWN AT POSITION 40-33N, 73-00-30W (BOTH CHARTED ì AS NON-DANGEROUS, THE UNKNOWN IS ASSUMED TO BE THE SAN DIEGO BASED ON THE ì REFERENCE TO AN NM DATED 10/30/19 AS THE SOURCE. ALTHOUGH NO NM IS DATED ì SUCH NM44/19 IS DATED 11/1/19 AND PERTAINS TO THE SAN DIEGO) CL351/59--PRIVATE LETTER; ALTHOUGH PART OF LTR IS MISSING AUTHOR APPARENTLY ì INDICATES THAT WKS CHARTED AT POS.40-33N, 73-00-30W AND 40-33-15N, 73-01-20W ì ARE NOT CORRECT AND A WK SHOULD BE CHARTED AT 40-32-25N, 73-02-35W. (A WK IS ì ADDED AS RECOMMENDED BUT NO WKS ARE REMOVED AS RECOMMENDED) H9577/75--OPR-517, PSR 5; PSR REQUIRED INVESTIGATION OF 2 BARGES REPORTED ì SUNK HERE THRU LNM34/74, LNM35/74 LNM38/74; WK FOUND ON MAINSCHEME, DIVERS ì IDENTIFY AS A 500 FT L VESSEL, LYING INTACT KEEL UP IN 90 FT OF WATER, ì ORIENTATION IS BOW NORTH, STERN SOUTH AND LETTERS EG VISIBLE ON STERN, LD IS ì 53 FT (MLW) AT POS.40-32-25.62N, 73-02-30.64W. DESCRIPTION 195 LORAN-C RATES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY MR. RICHARD TARACKA, ì GREENWICH, CT. POLICE DEPT., TEL. NO. 203-622-8020; 9960-X ì 26542.9, 9960-Y 43692.8 (ENTERED MSM 6/89) **** NAVY--SHIPS HISTORY BRANCH; SAN DIEGO IS FORMER ARMORED CRUISER ì CALIFORNIA, NO.6; 503 FT L, 69.5 FT W, TWIN SCREW RAMMING TYPE BOW, ì RAISED ARMOR BELT AT WATERLINE, NAME ON STERN; SUNK BY CONTACT MINE LAYED ì BY GERMAN SUB. U-156, RECORD DOES NOT INDICATE POINT OF HULL RUPTURE BUT ì THOUGHT TO BE NEAR BOW ON PORT SIDE SINCE VESSEL LISTED TO PORT; WK ì PROBABLY STILL CONTAINS LIVE ORDNANCE AND TORPEDOES, ALSO HUMAN REMAINS, ì THERE IS NO RECORD OF SALVAGE BY NAVY AND WK HAS NOT BEEN ABANDONED. ì ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTION IN DICTIONARY OF AMERICAN NAVAL FIGHTING SHIPS, ì VOLUME 2, PG 13. **** UNDERSEA SYSTEMS, INC, BOB SHOUROT; WK IS LOCATED AT LORAN C POSITION ì 9930-Y-50643, 9930-Z-69873.RATES ARE 1982 OBSERVED AND WITHOUT CORRECTION ì PLOT ON CHART 12353, 13TH ED. AT POS.40-32-35N, 73-02-43W. ì WK IS UPSIDE DOWN AND ORIENTED BOW 20 DEG STERN 200 DEG 10 FM LD. ì POPULAR DIVE W/EASY ACCESS INTO HULL. DIVERS HAVE OBSERVED A SCOW SUNK ì ON STARBOARD SIDE OF WK, THOUGHT TO BE THE WK REPORTED THRU LNM34,35, 38 ì AND 54 OF 1974. MR SHOUROT SAYS OWNER OF SCOW WAS ATTEMPTING TO ILLEGALLY ì REMOVE A PROPELLOR WHEN IT SANK AND SUBSEQUENTLY REPORTED A SECOND ì SINKING TO CONCEAL HIS ORIGINAL ACTIVITY. SHOUROT IS SURE THAT ONLY ì ONE SCOW EXISTS IN THIS AREA.
====Record: 1655====
Zitat:
Vesselterms:: SAN DIEGO Type: Wreck - Submerged, nondangerous Latitude: 40.554268 Longitude: -73.021774 Positional Accuracy: Low Year Sunk: None Depth: 0 Depth Units: History: 01655 HISTORY CL347/58--1957 NAVY WRECK LIST, NO.115; CRUISER, 13680 GT, SUNK 7/19/18 BY MINE, POS. ACCUR. 1 MILE AT 40-33-15N, 73-01-20W (WK ALREADY CHARTED PER NM DETAILED UNDER OTHER SAN DIEGO LISTING) H6189/36--NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION H9557/75--OPR-517; NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION. DESCRIPTION 60 4/1/23 SURVEY REQUIREMENTS MISCELLANEOUS; DOES NOT EXIST AT THIS POSITION, WK FOUND AT POS.40-32-25.62N, 73-02-30.64W.
: Ich denke, der Eintrag 1650 wird der richtige sein. Allerdings muss ich mich auch erst einmal belesen, wie man diese Koords in den Artikel einbaut.--Matthiask de (Diskussion) 00:59, 3. Feb. 2019 (CET)
thread_title:  Quellen 

message: Zitat:
Vesselterms:: SAN DIEGO Type: Wreck - Submerged, nondangerous Latitude: 40.554268 Longitude: -73.021774 Positional Accuracy: Low Year Sunk: None Depth: 0 Depth Units: History: 01655 HISTORY CL347/58--1957 NAVY WRECK LIST, NO.115; CRUISER, 13680 GT, SUNK 7/19/18 BY MINE, POS. ACCUR. 1 MILE AT 40-33-15N, 73-01-20W (WK ALREADY CHARTED PER NM DETAILED UNDER OTHER SAN DIEGO LISTING) H6189/36--NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION H9557/75--OPR-517; NOT FOUND, NO INVESTIGATION. DESCRIPTION 60 4/1/23 SURVEY REQUIREMENTS MISCELLANEOUS; DOES NOT EXIST AT THIS POSITION, WK FOUND AT POS.40-32-25.62N, 73-02-30.64W.
: Ich denke, der Eintrag 1650 wird der richtige sein. Allerdings muss ich mich auch erst einmal belesen, wie man diese Koords in den Artikel einbaut.--Matthiask de (Diskussion) 00:59, 3. Feb. 2019 (CET)
thread_title: Record: 1655