Diskussion:Oldtidens græske filosofi

message: Jeg vil rette en hel del uakademiske sludder og erstatte dem med korrekt historie med akademiske kilder på plads.
Der blev påstået at: ”  I år 529 lukkede den romerske kejser Kejser Justinian 1. alle filosofiske skoler, inklusive Platons akademi da de var i strid med kristendommen.”
SVAR: Det er noget forbandet sludder der er i modstrid mod hvad videnskabshistorikere siger. Den her myte opstår fordi folk blander Platons akademi med Neoplatonisk institution som altså ikke er det samme ting.
Platons akademi (og Aristoteles Lyceum) blev smadret af den romerske diktator Sulla i år 86 f.v.t. Så Justinian havde intet med deres ødelæggelse at gøre. Omkring år 410 e.v.t. blev en Neoplatonisk institution oprettet som altså IKKE er Platons akademi og som IKKE havde institutionelt forbindelse. I 529 stoppede den byzantinske kejser Justinian så den økonomiske støtte til den neopaltoniske institution fordi de promoverede hedenskab. Andre skoler i Konstantinopel, Antiochia og Alexandria som var centrer i Justinians rige, forsatte med filosofi undervisning.
Så hele det ævl med at Justinian stoppede filosofi er nonsens.
Kilder: David C. Lindberg, "The Beginnings of Western Science" side 70 (University of Chicago 2007)
Der stod at grunden var at “de var i strid med kristendommen. Dette regnes traditionelt som slutningen på den klassiske filosofi og overgang til middelalderen. Grækenland spillede ingen rolle i middelalderens filosofi.”
SVAR: Det er også noget værre akademisk sludder. Så lad mig blot citere hvad videnskabshistorikere David Lindberg, Ronald Numbers og Edward Grant siger:
“For all of his worry about overvaluing the Greek
scientific/philosophical tradition, Augustine and others like him
applied Greco- Roman natural science with a vengeance to biblical
interpretation. The sciences are not to be loved, but to be
used. This attitude toward scientific knowledge was to flourish
throughout the Middle Ages and well into the modern period.
Were it not for this outlook, medieval Europeans would surely
have had less scientific knowledge, not more.”
Kilder: Ronald Numbers og David C. Lindbger. "Galileo Goes to Jail and Other Myths about Science and Religion" på side 18 (Harvard University Press, år 2009)
“The handmaiden concept of Greek learning was widely adopted and became the standard Christian attitude toward secular learning. That Christians chose to accept pagan learning within limits was a momentous decision. They might have heeded Tertullian (ca. 150-ca. 225) who asked pointedly, “what indeed has Athens to do with Jerusalem?” With the total triumph of Christianity at the end of the fourth century, the Church might have reacted against Greek pagan learning in general, and Greek philosophy in particular, finding much in the latter that was unacceptable or perhaps even offensive. They might have launched a major effort to suppress pagan learning as a danger to the Church and its doctrines. But they did not. Why not? Perhaps it was in the slow dissemination of Christianity. After four centuries as members of a distinct religion, Christians had learned to live with Greek secular learning and to utilize it for their own benefit. Their education was heavily infiltrated by Latin and Greek pagan literature and philosophy…(…) Although Christians found certain aspects of pagan culture and learning unacceptable, they did not view them as a cancer to be cut out of the Christian body.”
Kilder Edvard Grant, “The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages” på side 4. (Cambridge University Press, år 1996)
Derfor vil jeg slette teksten og lave en gennemgribende ændring med akademiske henvisninger.
En historiker (diskussion) 18. okt 2018, 00:38 (CEST)
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