Descusión:Idioma serbocroata

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message: Creigo que en aragonés lo hemos de escribir con consonant etimolochica, que desfá por atra parte o hiato. A terminazión no ye guaire ortodocsa e se puet discutir. Propongo que en aragonés escribamos serbocrobate, serbocrobato, serbocrobat u serbocrobata...¿cuala sería a més correcta?.--EBRO 19:18 2 otu 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ixo yera lo que yo preguntaba en a descusión de crobates :-D... yo me suposo que si o plural ye "crobates" o más natural ye escribir "crobate"... si escribisenos "crobat" en singular o plural aberba d'estar "crobaz". Cuan aigamos preso una dezisión feré o cambeyo con o bot tanto en singular como en plural. --Willtron (?)  19:26 2 otu 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: :Veigo que tenemos una dentrada serbo-croata y unatra idioma crovate; en os dos casos s'habría a unificar o termino, que considero que ha d'estar "crovata" (serbo-crovata y Idioma crovata).--Francho 13:16 4 ago 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::Si, tiens razón, yo escribiría idioma servocrovate, luenga servocrovata, pero a questión mos supera un poquet estando tan pocos usuarios, o que mos obliga a estar prudents. Sobre o etnonimo crovates tamién tenemos atra discusión.--EBRO 13:25 4 ago 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::Si o que preguntas ye o de borrar l'articlo idioma crovate, no cal, porque en realidat ye un articlo sobre l'uso crovate d'o idioma servocrovate, bi ha en atras wikis articlos con títol equivalent, y este articlo ye d'o mesmo estilo de l'articlo luenga valenciana, on especificamos que fa part d'o catalán, y que se XXX los blaveros y peperos.--EBRO 13:27 4 ago 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ::::Agora tenemos como títol Idioma serbocroata. Como minimo ta tener coherencia con o etnonimo crovates, voi a tresladar-lo ta Idioma serbocrovate, adhibindo nomás ixa -v-. Tamién foi a reendrecera dende Idioma serbocrovata, y quan tiengamos más datos, se cambia a rematanza si cal.--Juan Pablo 17:04 23 ago 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :::::Suposo que habría que escribir idioma serbocrovate y luenga serbocrovata, no se si existe o femenín mainata de mainate, caldrá mirar parabras que en aragonés actual tiengan una -e final dezaga de -t talment recomposata. En relación a lo plural ya tos dicié que cal escribir crovates con plural en -es porque ye a sola cita clara, l'atra ye troacs con errors de confusions de letras tipicos d'a caligrafía meyeval, y l'atra crovati (elemento latín en un texto romanz). Ixo no quiere dicir que no haiga existito un plural tipo crovatz que encara no he puesto documentar.--EBRO 22:58 27 nov 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Si o etnonimo plural ye ''[[crobates]]'' o idioma será.... 

message: Engels                  	Kroaties                   	Serwies
Compare                 	Usporedba                  	Поређење (Poređenje)
Europe                  	Europa                     	Европа (Evropa)
Netherlands             	Nizozemska                 	Холандија (Holandija)
Italians                	Talijani                   	Италијани (Italijani)
Universe                	Svemir                     	Васиона (Vasiona)
Spine                   	Kralježnica                	Кичма (Kičma)
Air                     	Zrak                       	Ваздух (Vazduh)
Education               	Odgoj                      	Васпитање (Vaspitanje)
Week                    	Tjedan                     	Седмица (Sedmica)
History                 	Povijest                   	Историја (Istorija)
Pantaloons              	Hlače                      	Панталоне (Pantalone)
Belly                   	Trbuh                      	Стомак (Stomak)
Science                 	Znanost                    	Наука (Nauka)
Personally              	Osobno                     	Лично (Lično)
Persona                 	Osoba                      	Лице (Lice)
United Nations          	Ujedinjeni Narodi          	Уједињене Нације (Ujedinjene Nacije)
Bread                   	Kruh                       	Хлеб (Hleb)
Artificial              	Umjetno                    	Вештачки (Veštački)
Cross                   	Križ                       	Крст (Krst)
Democracy               	Demokracija                	Демократија (Demokratija)
Detection               	Spoznaja                   	Сазнање (Saznanje)
Island                  	Otok                       	Острво (Ostrvo)
Officer                 	Časnik                     	Официр (Oficir)
Road traffic            	Cestovni promet            	Друмски саобраћај (Drumski saobraćaj)
Autobahn                	Autocesta                  	Аутопут (Autoput)
Length                  	Duljina                    	Дужина (Dužina)
Association             	Udruga                     	Удружење (Udruženje)
Factory                 	Tvornica                   	Фабрика (Fabrika)
General                 	Opće                       	Опште (Opšte)
Christ                  	Krist                      	Христoс (Hristos)
I'm sorry               	Oprosti                    	Извини (Izvini)
Native language standard	Materinski jezićni standard	Матерњи језички стандард
thread_title:  Idioma difereca 

message: Serbo-Croata/Croato-Serba group 4 idioma !
thread_title:  Serbo-Croata/Croato-Serba differents idioma 

message: Français                                                                                                                                          	Croate                                                                                               	Bosniaqe                                                                                                    	Serbe
Comme les gaz d'échappement et la pollution atmosphérique dans la Jérusalem, il serait nécessaire de prendre des mesures pour assurer la sécurité!	Glede ispušnih plinova i zagađivanja zraka u Jeruzalemu, bilo bi potrebito poduzeti mjere sigurnosti!	U pogledu izduvnih gasova i zagađivanja vazduha u Jerusalimu, bilo bi potrebno preduzeti mjere bezbjednosti!	У погледу издувних гасова и загађивања ваздуха у Јерусалиму, било би потребно предузети мере безбедности!
Croate                                                       	Bosniaqe                                                	Serbe                                                       	Français
Bijela sol za kuhanje kemijski je spoj natrija i klora.      	Bijela so za kuhanje je hemijski spoj natrijuma i hlora.	Bela so za kuvanje je hemijsko jedinjenje natrijuma i hlora.	Le sel blanc pour la cuisine est un composé chimique du sodium et du chlore.
Vlak sa željezničkoga kolodvora krenut će točno u deset sati.	Voz sa željezničke stanice krenut će tačno u deset sati.	Voz sa železničke stanice krenuće tačno u deset sati/časova.	Le train de la gare va commencer exactement à dix heures.
This doesn't make a diferent tongue, in all the tongues there is geosinomims and little fonetic differences between the variants. --EBRO 13:25 4 ago 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diferente idioma 

message: *Grupo serbocrovate = idioma serbe + idioma crovate + idioma bosniaqe + idioma montenegre
*Grupo espanie = idioma kastilie + idioma katalonie + idioma galiege..
replies: text: No, nothing to do with this... there's no "grupo espanie"... where do you find this?? Castilian, Catalonian and Galician are all of them different languages... on the other hand we're talking about different standards of the same language: serbo-croatian... here we have one language and four different standards: Bosnian, Croatian, Serbian and Montenegrin... those standards are based only in regional differences with different names due to political reasons (different countries). Just like "Catalonian" and "Valencian" or "Galician" and "Portuguese"... but Castilian, Catalonian and Galician??? what's the relation between this three languages??? ...So... what's exactly your question? what do you mean with this? Regards --Willtron (?)  22:59 27 nov 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: :Between the croatian of Ragusa, the bosniac of Mostar and the serbian of Belgrado there is total comprehesion, like between the valencian and barcelonian use of catalan, and like the galician and portuguese uses of galacoportugués. It's not posible total comprehesion without not learning betweeen catalan and castellanish, it's the reason that mades catalan, aragonese and castellanish different languages ant the same reason that makes stokavski serbocroatian a common and single language. I have been in Montenegro, Herzegovina and Dalmatia and the words are almost the same and some words like the word to say hidrochén are very different in croatian use because of the way to introduce the neologisms whit total traduction from original rooths. The divergence of slavic and turquic languages and dialects is more recent than the divergence in latin languages, so the differences are smaller.--EBRO 23:23 27 nov 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  serbo-crovate ???? 

message: Differences between the Croatian and Serbian on the other languages are equal to differences between the Czech and Slovak / Bulgarian and Macedonian / Russian and Belarussian / Danish and Norwegian .....
These are old DIFFERENCES
These are illustrated in the following table:
                                	                         	South Slavic       	South Slavic	South Slavic     	South Slavic  	South Slavic	West Slavic	West Slavic	West Slavic	East Slavic	East Slavic	East Slavic	
Late Proto-slavic reconstruction	Late Proto-Slavic meaning	Old Church Slavonic	Slovenian   	Croatian(CROVATE)	Serbian(SERBE)	Bulgarian   	Macedonian 	Czech      	Slovak     	Polish     	Belarusian 	Russian    	Ukrainian
*gvězda                         	star                     	звѣзда             	zvezda      	zvijezda         	звезда        	звезда      	звезда     	hvězda     	hviezda    	gwiazda    	зорка      	звезда     	звізда
*květъ                          	flower, bloom            	цвѣтъ              	cvet        	cvijet           	цвет          	цвете       	цвет       	květ       	kvet       	kwiat      	кветка     	цвет       	квітка
*tisošta                        	tisošta                  	тысѫшта            	tisoč       	tisuća           	хиљада        	хиляда      	илјада     	tisíc      	tisíc      	tysiąc     	тисяча     	тысяча     	тисяча
=== Different  phonetics 1===
Feature                                                         	Croatian	Serbian 	English
Opposition -u/e                                                 	burza   	berza   	stock-exchange
Opposition -u/e                                                 	porculan	porcelan	porcelain
Opposition -u/i                                                 	tanjur  	tanjir  	plate
Opposition -l/-o after o                                        	sol     	so      	salt
Opposition -l/-o after o                                        	vol     	vo      	ox
Opposition -l/-o after o                                        	kolčić  	kočić   	stick
Serbian often drops letter H in the initial and medial position:	čahura  	čaura   	cartridge
Serbian often drops letter H in the initial and medial position:	hrvač   	rvač    	wrestler
Serbian often drops letter H in the initial and medial position:	hrđa    	rđa     	rust
=== Different  phonetics 2===
Croatian language	Latin	altgriechische Aussprache	Gerk alphabet|griech. Buchstabe	byzantinische Aussprache	Serbian language
b                	b    	                         	β                              	                        	v
e                	e    	                         	η                              	                        	i
k oder c         	c    	                         	κ                              	                        	k
u                	u    	                         	υ (nach Vokal)                 	                        	v
k oder h         	ch   	                         	χ                              	                        	h
=== Different  morphology ===
Example 1: 
English        	Croatian  	Serbian
add by pouring*	dolijevati	dolivati*
diarrhea       	proljev   	proliv
gulf, bay      	zaljev    	zaliv
to influence   	utjecati  	uticati
Example 2:
English	Serbian	Croatian
tobacco	duvan  	duhan
to cook	kuvati 	kuhati
dry    	suvo   	suho
deaf   	gluvo  	gluho
Example 3:
English         	Bosnian    	Croatian                   	Serbian
point           	tačka      	točka                      	tačka
correct         	tačno      	točno                      	tačno
municipality    	općina     	općina                     	opština
priest          	svećenik   	svećenik                   	sveštenik
male student    	student    	student                    	student
female student  	studentica 	studentica                 	studentkinja
male professor  	profesor   	profesor                   	profesor
female professor	profesorica	profesorica                	profesorka
scientist       	naučnik    	znanstvenik                	naučnik
translator      	prevodilac 	prevoditelj                	prevodilac
reader          	čitalac    	čitatelj                   	čitalac
diver           	ronilac    	ronilac(sometimes:ronitelj)	ronilac
=== Different  internationalisms===
Example different:
English     	Bosnian                 	Croatian    	Serbian
to organise 	organiziratiorganizovati	organizirati	organizovati
to construct	konstruisatikonstruirati	konstruirati	konstruisati
But:        	But:                    	But:        	But:
to analyse  	analizirati             	analizirati 	analizirati
=== Different  historically 1===
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/ottoman_empire_europe_1792.jpg
Historically, modern age internationalisms entered Bosnian and Croatian mostly through German and Italian, while Serbian received them through French and Russian, so different localisation patterns were established based on those languages. Also, Greek borrowings came to Serbian directly, but through Latin into Croatian:
English  	Croatian 	Serbian  	Note
Bethlehem	Betlehem 	Vitlejem 	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
Athens   	Atena    	Atina    	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
Europe   	Europa   	Evropa   	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
Cyprus   	Cipar    	Kipar    	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
chlorine 	klor     	hlor     	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
impedance	impedanca	impedansa	Through French in Serbian
But:     	But:     	But:     	But:
licence  	licenca  	licenca  	"dozvola" is more common in both languages
Most of chemical element names are different: for international names, Bosnian and Croatian use -ij where Serbian has -ijum (uranij–uranijum). In some native names, Bosnian and Croatian have -ik where Serbian has -(o)nik (kisik–kiseonik(oxygen), vodik–vodonik(hydrogen)). Yet others are totally different (dušik–azot (nitrogen), kositar–kalaj (tin)). Some are the same: srebro (silver), zlato (gold), bakar (copper).
thread_title:  All Slavic languages are similar but not the same language 

message: Feature                                                         	Croatian	Serbian 	English
Opposition -u/e                                                 	burza   	berza   	stock-exchange
Opposition -u/e                                                 	porculan	porcelan	porcelain
Opposition -u/i                                                 	tanjur  	tanjir  	plate
Opposition -l/-o after o                                        	sol     	so      	salt
Opposition -l/-o after o                                        	vol     	vo      	ox
Opposition -l/-o after o                                        	kolčić  	kočić   	stick
Serbian often drops letter H in the initial and medial position:	čahura  	čaura   	cartridge
Serbian often drops letter H in the initial and medial position:	hrvač   	rvač    	wrestler
Serbian often drops letter H in the initial and medial position:	hrđa    	rđa     	rust
thread_title:  Different  phonetics 1

message: Croatian language	Latin	altgriechische Aussprache	Gerk alphabet|griech. Buchstabe	byzantinische Aussprache	Serbian language
b                	b    	                         	β                              	                        	v
e                	e    	                         	η                              	                        	i
k oder c         	c    	                         	κ                              	                        	k
u                	u    	                         	υ (nach Vokal)                 	                        	v
k oder h         	ch   	                         	χ                              	                        	h
thread_title:  Different  phonetics 2

message: Example 1: 
English        	Croatian  	Serbian
add by pouring*	dolijevati	dolivati*
diarrhea       	proljev   	proliv
gulf, bay      	zaljev    	zaliv
to influence   	utjecati  	uticati
Example 2:
English	Serbian	Croatian
tobacco	duvan  	duhan
to cook	kuvati 	kuhati
dry    	suvo   	suho
deaf   	gluvo  	gluho
Example 3:
English         	Bosnian    	Croatian                   	Serbian
point           	tačka      	točka                      	tačka
correct         	tačno      	točno                      	tačno
municipality    	općina     	općina                     	opština
priest          	svećenik   	svećenik                   	sveštenik
male student    	student    	student                    	student
female student  	studentica 	studentica                 	studentkinja
male professor  	profesor   	profesor                   	profesor
female professor	profesorica	profesorica                	profesorka
scientist       	naučnik    	znanstvenik                	naučnik
translator      	prevodilac 	prevoditelj                	prevodilac
reader          	čitalac    	čitatelj                   	čitalac
diver           	ronilac    	ronilac(sometimes:ronitelj)	ronilac
thread_title:  Different  morphology 

message: Example different:
English     	Bosnian                 	Croatian    	Serbian
to organise 	organiziratiorganizovati	organizirati	organizovati
to construct	konstruisatikonstruirati	konstruirati	konstruisati
But:        	But:                    	But:        	But:
to analyse  	analizirati             	analizirati 	analizirati
thread_title:  Different  internationalisms

message: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/ottoman_empire_europe_1792.jpg
Historically, modern age internationalisms entered Bosnian and Croatian mostly through German and Italian, while Serbian received them through French and Russian, so different localisation patterns were established based on those languages. Also, Greek borrowings came to Serbian directly, but through Latin into Croatian:
English  	Croatian 	Serbian  	Note
Bethlehem	Betlehem 	Vitlejem 	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
Athens   	Atena    	Atina    	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
Europe   	Europa   	Evropa   	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
Cyprus   	Cipar    	Kipar    	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
chlorine 	klor     	hlor     	Through Latin in Croatian, through Greek in Serbian
impedance	impedanca	impedansa	Through French in Serbian
But:     	But:     	But:     	But:
licence  	licenca  	licenca  	"dozvola" is more common in both languages
Most of chemical element names are different: for international names, Bosnian and Croatian use -ij where Serbian has -ijum (uranij–uranijum). In some native names, Bosnian and Croatian have -ik where Serbian has -(o)nik (kisik–kiseonik(oxygen), vodik–vodonik(hydrogen)). Yet others are totally different (dušik–azot (nitrogen), kositar–kalaj (tin)). Some are the same: srebro (silver), zlato (gold), bakar (copper).
thread_title:  Different  historically 1

message: English                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	In Serbia        	In Croatia	In Bosnia
one thousand                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  	hiljada          	tisuća    	hiljada
January1) All month names are different. See below for full table.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            	januar           	siječanj  	januar
factory                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	fabrika          	tvornica  	fabrikatvornica
rice                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          	pirinač          	riža      	riža
carrot                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        	šargarepa        	mrkva     	mrkva
trousers                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	pantalone        	hlače     	hlače
bread                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         	hleb             	kruh      	hljeb
spinach                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	spanać           	špinat    	špinat
football                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	fudbal           	nogomet   	fudbal
train                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         	voz              	vlak      	voz
wave                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          	talas            	val       	talas
person                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        	lice             	osoba     	liceosoba
uncivil                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	nevaspitan       	neodgojen 	neodgojen
one's own                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	sopstveno        	vlastito  	vlastitosopstveno
road2) This is an excellent example of foreign influences. "Put" and "cesta" are Slavic, "drum" is Greek and "džada" is Turkish. Moreover, the central difference lies in the fact that Croatian, unlike Serbian or Bosnian, has a tradition of purism, as is the case with the Czech, Slovak, Hungarian and German languages.	put drum         	cestaput  	putdžada
road toll                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	drumarinaputarina	cestarina 	putarina
dad                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           	tata             	tataćaća  	tatababo
tomato                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        	paradajz         	rajčica   	paradajz
English      	Serbian   	Croatian  	Bosnian
to accept    	prihvatati	prihvaćati	prihvatati
happy, lucky 	srećan    	sretan    	sretansrećan
to comprehend	shvatati  	shvaćati  	shvatati
====Names of the months====
In the Croatian language months have Slavic names, while Serbian and Bosnian use the same set of international Latin-derived names as English. But Slavic names may also be used in the Bosnian language as well (although, rarely understood); Latin-derived names are preferred.
English  	Croatian	Serbian  	Bosnian
January  	siječanj	januar   	januar
February 	veljača 	februar  	februar
March    	ožujak  	mart     	mart
April    	travanj 	april    	april
May      	svibanj 	maj      	maj
June     	lipanj  	jun      	juni
July     	srpanj  	jul      	juli
August   	kolovoz 	avgust   	august
September	rujan   	septembar	septembar
October  	listopad	oktobar  	oktobar
November 	studeni 	novembar 	novembar
December 	prosinac	decembar 	decembar
thread_title:  Various dictionary 

message: In the Croatian language months have Slavic names, while Serbian and Bosnian use the same set of international Latin-derived names as English. But Slavic names may also be used in the Bosnian language as well (although, rarely understood); Latin-derived names are preferred.
English  	Croatian	Serbian  	Bosnian
January  	siječanj	januar   	januar
February 	veljača 	februar  	februar
March    	ožujak  	mart     	mart
April    	travanj 	april    	april
May      	svibanj 	maj      	maj
June     	lipanj  	jun      	juni
July     	srpanj  	jul      	juli
August   	kolovoz 	avgust   	august
September	rujan   	septembar	septembar
October  	listopad	oktobar  	oktobar
November 	studeni 	novembar 	novembar
December 	prosinac	decembar 	decembar
thread_title: Names of the months

message: Croatian           	Bosnian            	Serbian                             	German
William Shakespeare	William Shakespeare	Vilijam Šekspir oder Вилијам Шекспир	William Shakespeare
München            	Minhen             	Minhen oder Минхен                  	München
Zürich             	Zürich             	Cirih oder Цирих                    	Zürich
Bruxelles          	Brisel             	Brisel oder Брисел                  	Brüssel, frz. Bruxelles
New York           	New York           	Njujork oder Њујорк                 	New York
SZO oder WHO       	WHO                	SZO oder СЗО                        	WHO
thread_title: Example of other differences 1

message: Croatian                               	Bosnian               	Serbian                                                                                                              	German
Dobar tek! (kajkav.) oder U slast!	Prijatno!             	Prijatno!                                                                                                            	Guten Appetit!
tjedan (kajkav.)                       	sedmica, hevta (türk.)	nedelja (kirchenslaw.), sedmica                                                                                      	Woche
sat (türk.)                            	sat, sahat (türk.)    	čas (in dieser Bed. aus dem Russ.),vgl. Odbor za standardizaciju srpskog jezika, Odluka br. 1, Punkt 2.0. sat (türk.)	Stunde
otok                                   	ostrvo                	ostrvo                                                                                                               	Insel
vrt                                    	bašča                 	bašta                                                                                                                	Garten
vlak (tschech.)                        	voz                   	voz                                                                                                                  	Zug
kruh                                   	hljeb, somun (türk.)  	hleb                                                                                                                 	Brot
talijanski                             	italijanski           	italijanski                                                                                                          	italienisch
nitko; svatko                          	niko; svako           	niko; svako                                                                                                          	niemand; jeder
thread_title: Example of other differences 2

message: Croatian  	Bosnian 	Serbian  	German
Španjolska	Španija 	Španija  	Spanien
priopćiti 	saopćiti	saopštiti	mitteilen
spol      	spol    	pol      	Geschlecht
=== South Slavic continum and Central South Slavic diasystem ===
Dialect  	Sub-Dialect         	Bulgarian	Macedonian	Serbian	Montenegrin	Bosnian	Croatian	Slovenian	
Torlakian	                    	x        	x         	x      	           	       	        	         	
Štokavian	Kosovo-Resava       	         	          	x      	           	       	        	         	
Štokavian	Šumadija-Vojvodina  	         	          	x      	           	       	        	         	
Štokavian	Zeta-South Sandžak  	         	          	x      	x          	x      	        	         	
Štokavian	Eastern Herzgovinian	         	          	x      	x          	x      	x       	         	
Štokavian	Eastern Bosnian     	         	          	       	           	x      	x       	         	
Štokavian	Western Ikavian     	         	          	       	           	x      	x       	         	
Štokavian	Slavonian           	         	          	       	           	       	x       	         	
Čakavian 	                    	         	          	       	           	       	x       	         	
Kajkavian	                    	         	          	       	           	       	x       	x
thread_title: Example of other differences 3

message: Dialect  	Sub-Dialect         	Bulgarian	Macedonian	Serbian	Montenegrin	Bosnian	Croatian	Slovenian	
Torlakian	                    	x        	x         	x      	           	       	        	         	
Štokavian	Kosovo-Resava       	         	          	x      	           	       	        	         	
Štokavian	Šumadija-Vojvodina  	         	          	x      	           	       	        	         	
Štokavian	Zeta-South Sandžak  	         	          	x      	x          	x      	        	         	
Štokavian	Eastern Herzgovinian	         	          	x      	x          	x      	x       	         	
Štokavian	Eastern Bosnian     	         	          	       	           	x      	x       	         	
Štokavian	Western Ikavian     	         	          	       	           	x      	x       	         	
Štokavian	Slavonian           	         	          	       	           	       	x       	         	
Čakavian 	                    	         	          	       	           	       	x       	         	
Kajkavian	                    	         	          	       	           	       	x       	x
thread_title:  South Slavic continum and Central South Slavic diasystem 

message: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Scripts_in_Europe_(1901).jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/2/28/20080408171819!Scripts_in_
urope.PNG  
Script and language:
Croats not understand the Serbs letter
*Croatian alphabet: A B C Č Ć D Dž Đ E F G H I J K L Lj M N Nj O P R S Š T U V Z Ž   (Idioma crovate has 31 votes)  + diphthong  «Ie»
*Serbian alphabet: А Б В Г Д Ђ Е Ж З И Ј К Л Љ М Н Њ О П РС Т Ћ У Ф Х Ц Ч Џ Ш  (Idioma serbe has 30 votes)
*Bosnian alphabet: A B V G D Đ E Ž Z I J K L Lj M N Nj O P R S T Ć U F H C Č Dž Š (Idioma serbe has 30 votes)
*NOMINATIVE/Crovate; TKO ŠTO 
*NOMINATIVE/Serbe; KO ŠTA
 
Any text in Croatian and Serbian is different !!!!!!!!
replies: text: Yes, all right, but where's the problem? ... we have an article about Croatian for example... the other languages redirect here 'cause we don't have yet their respective articles... I mean, we can admit articles about Serbian, Bosnian... that's no problem... but all of this are regional forms of the same "language"... phonetics and lexic aren't enough to make two languages different. Bulgarian-Macedonian, Russian-Belorussian, Danish-Norwegian... all of them are in a quite similar situation...  just like Galician-Portuguese, Indonesian-Malay or Valencian-Catalan... different names for the same language, due to political reasons... but in many of this cases maybe the differences have grown since those territories are no longer under the same administration. There are also a lot of lexical and phonetical differences between Rioplatense, Mexican, Chilean, Andalusian and Castilian Spanish for example (you can see here some of them), but there's no doubt that they are the same language... --Willtron (?)  23:53 30 nov 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Different national letters

message: You know the war that led the Serbs against Croats, Bosnians and other 1991st Serbian policy of stealing culture of the Croats and Bosnians and Yato no priynaje independence of the Croatian and Bosnian languages. 
*Document of different serbocroatian languages:
http://www.nsk.hr/UserFiles/File/Slu%C5%BEeno%20prihva%C4%87anje%20izmjena%20ISO%20639-2%20Registration%20Authority.pdf
*Languages in Croatia:
http://www.dzs.hr/hrv/censuses/census2001/Popis/H01_02_03/H01_02_03.html
*European languages:
http://languagesofeurope.co.uk/Languagesmap.thumb.jpg
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/socst/grade3/geograph.html
http://www.gradebook.org/European%20Language%20Classes.htm
http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2010-11-07/14974/_Croatian_to_become_24th_official_EU_language
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=292-16
replies: text: Well... so I have too some links that show that all of them are dialects of the same language: 
*Language and identity in the Balkans: Serbo-Croatian and its disintegration, ; Immigrant languages in Europe; The languages of the world; Engendering Slavic literatures; Language, discourse and borders in the Yugoslav successor states... so I think there is no doubt about the fact that Croatian and Serbian are both varieties of the same language,... separated for political reasons... a lot of the differences between Serbian and Croatian have been created artificially, in order to make them differents... but the structure of the languages still remain the same. Lexic, alphabet... as I said they are not valid arguments to say that a language differs from another (there's also a huge variety of lexic in the different dialects of Castilian, Catalan, English, French, German or Aragonese... and that don't make this dialects different languages... I'm sure that there are more differences between Bavarian German and Low Saxon for example). We need references, and not examples of vocabulary and texts... and with references we can write a section in this article speaking about both "Croatian and Serbian as the same language" and "Croatian and Serbian as different languages"... --Willtron (?)  08:56 1 avi 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  All the texts that you are displaying the Serbian and is not Croatian 

message: Studies must be studied extensively, ... at all levels and from all sides, one-sided views are not precise enough. Language has its own culture. Croatian language has been developed within the Catholic culture and the Western European influence, Bosnian language has evolved in the lap of Turkish culture and Islam. Serbian language is being developed within the Orthodox culture and Russian influence.
thread_title:  Idioma un cultura 

message: * English language : With respect to exhaust gases and air pollution in the Jerusalem, it would be necessary to take security measures!
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* Russian language : В отношении выхлопных газов и загрязнения воздуха в Иерусалиме, было бы необходимо принимать меры безопасности!
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* Bulgarian language : По отношение на изгорелите газове и замърсяването на въздуха в Ерусалим, че ще бъде необходимо да се вземат мерки за сигурност!
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* Serbian language : У погледу издувних гасова и загађивања ваздуха у Јерусалиму, било би потребно предузети мере безбедности!  
(U pogledu izduvnih gasova i zagađivanja vazduha u Jerusalimu, bilo bi potrebno preduzeti mere bezbednosti)
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* Croatian language : Glede ispušnih plinova i zagađivanja zraka u Jeruzalemu, bilo bi potrebito poduzeti mjere sigurnosti!
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* Slovenian language : Glede izpušnih plinov in onesnaženosti zraka v Jeruzalemu, bi bilo treba sprejeti varnostne ukrepe!
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*Czech Language : S ohledem na emise výfukových plynů a znečištění ovzduší v Jeruzalémě, bylo by nutné přijmout bezpečnostní opatření!
thread_title:  Examples of differences in Slavic vocabulary 

message: serbocrovate is DIASISTEM or GROUP LANGUAGES/IDIOMAS:
thread_title:  serbocrovate is NOT Idioma