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EXHIBIT 10.41

                                 LOAN AGREEMENT

THIS AGREEMENT made as of January 29, 2001

BETWEEN:

          PIVOTAL  CORPORATION,  a company  having an address  at  300-224  West
          Esplanade, North Vancouver, B.C. V7M 3M6

          ("Lender")

AND:

          ANDRE BEAULIEU, with an address at 1429 129th Street, White Rock, B.C.
          V4A 3X9

          ("Borrower")

WITNESS THAT WHEREAS:

A.   The Borrower is the General Counsel of Lender.

B.   Lender  has  agreed  to  lend  the  Borrower  the sum of  CDN$124,000  (the
     "Principal Sum") on the terms and conditions set out herein.

          NOW  THEREFORE  in  consideration  of the  premises  and of the mutual
          covenants and  agreements  set forth in this  Agreement and other good
          and valuable  consideration,  the receipt and sufficiency of which are
          hereby  acknowledged by each of the parties,  the parties hereby agree
          as follows:

1.   THE LOAN
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1.1 Loan Amount - Lender shall lend to the Borrower the  Principal  Sum upon the
terms and conditions contained herein.

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1.2 Loan - On the date of this  Agreement,  or as soon as practical  thereafter,
the Lender  shall  advance the  Principal  Sum to Borrower  by  delivering  such
Principal Sum, by way of cheque, bank draft or otherwise as agreed, to or to the
direction of Borrower.

1.3 Interest Rate - The Principal Sum shall not bear interest.

2.   REPAYMENT
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2.1 Maturity  Date - The unearned  balance of the Principal Sum (that amount not
yet earned  through bonus during the course of employment  with Lender) shall be
due and payable in full on the earlier of:

     (a)  the date of termination for cause; or

     (b)  the date on which  Borrower  resigns his  position as General  Counsel
          with Lender; or

     (c)  January 15, 2002.

3.   GENERAL PROVISIONS
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3.1 Time - Time shall be of the essence of this Agreement.

3.2 Notices - Any notice,  payment or other communication  required or permitted
to be given or served  pursuant to this Agreement  shall be in writing and shall
be delivered  personally  or forwarded by first class  prepaid mail to the party
concerned  at the  address  of  that  party  set out on the  first  page of this
Agreement or to any other address as may from time to time be notified by any of
the parties hereto. Any notice,  payment or other  communication shall be deemed
to have been given,  if delivered by hand, on the day delivered,  and if mailed,
four business days  following the date of posting;  provided that if there shall
be at the time of mailing or within four  business  days  thereof a mail strike,
slow-down or other labour dispute that might affect delivery by the mails,  then
the notice, payment or other communication shall be effective only when actually
delivered.

3.3 Further  Assurances  - The parties  shall  execute all other  documents  and
instruments  and do all other things  necessary  to implement  and carry out the
terms of this Agreement.

3.4  Governing  Law - This  Agreement  shall be  governed  by and  construed  in
accordance with the laws of the Province of British Columbia.

3.5 Entire  Agreement - The provisions  herein  constitute the entire  agreement
between the parties and supersede all previous  communications,  representations
and agreements,  whether verbal or written,  between the parties with respect to
the subject matter hereof.

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3.6  Enurement  - This  Agreement  shall be binding  upon and shall enure to the
benefit  of  the  parties  hereto  and  their   respective   heirs,   executors,
administrators, successors and permitted assigns.

3.7  Assignment - This  Agreement,  and the rights,  duties and  obligations  of
either party under this  Agreement,  may not  assigned by any party  without the
prior written consent of the other party hereto.

IN WITNESS  WHEREOF the parties have executed  this  Agreement as of the day and
year first written above.

PIVOTAL CORPORATION

By: [ILLEGIBLE SIGNATURE]
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    Authorized Signatory

SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED                )
by ANDRE BEAULIEU in the presence of        )
                                            )
                                            )
                                            )
/s/ Maxine Erskine                          )
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Name of Witness (PLEASE PRINT)              )        /s/ ANDRE BEAULIEU
                                            )        --------------------------
                                            )        ANDRE BEAULIEU
                                            )
                                            )
[ILLEGIBLE SIGNATURE]                       )
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Signature of Witness                        )

                                      -3-Exhibit 10.41

EXHIBIT 10.42

May 29, 2002

Andre Beaulieu

c/o Pivotal Corporation

Suite 300 - 224 W. Esplanade

North Vancouver, B.C.

V7M 3M6

Dear Andre:

Re:  Personal loan agreement / Pivotal Corporation

May this letter serve to
confirm that Pivotal Corporation has agreed to amend your current loan agreement
to reflect our subsequent agreement (Manning/Beaulieu) that this loan be repaid
by way of your assignment of any and all Pivotal bonus payments to which you
will be entitled, and including your bonus from the previous quarter (Q3 of
fiscal 2002) until such time as the entire loan amount has been repaid to
Pivotal. 

Please sign below to indicate that you accept the terms as outlined above and to
confirm that it is your intention to so repay your indebtedness to Pivotal.

Yours truly,

	  	 Read and hereby accepted,

	 Bo Manning

                                                                    President, CEO	 Andre Beaulieu

Encl.To:	 	
        CB Richard Ellis Limited

        #600 - 111 West Georgia Street

        Vancouver, BC  V6E 4M3
		 	
        
Attention:    Ms. Lisa Bailey and Mr. Blair Quinn

Pivotal Corporation (the
“Subtenant”) of 300-224 West Esplanade, North Vancouver, BC V7M 3M6
hereby offers to sublease from Primus Telecommunications (Canada) Inc. (the
“Sublandlord”) of 1750-1188 West Georgia Street, Vancouver, BC, V6B
4A2 a portion of the building located at 885 Dunsmuir Street, Vancouver, BC (the
“Building”), on the following terms and conditions: 

1.        PREMISES

	 	
Approximately Twelve Thousand (12,000) square feet of rentable area on the Seventh
(7th) floor as shown outlined in heavy black on the floor plan
attached as Schedule “A” (the “Premises”). The actual
rentable area of the space will be determined by the Sublandlord’s
architect prior to execution of the sublease.

2.        TERM

	 	
Commencing December 1, 2000 (the "Commencement Date") and expiring April 30, 2002.

3.        RENTAL

	 	
The annual rental shall be Eighty Four Thousand Dollars ($84,000.00) plus Goods and
Services Tax (“GST”), and shall be paid in advance in equal monthly
installments of Seven Thousand Dollars ($7,000.00) plus GST, on the first day of
each month of the term commencing December 1, 2000. Upon determination of
the actual rentable area of the space by the Sublandlord’s architect, the
rent shall be adjusted accordingly, on the basis of the rent being Seven Dollars
($7.00) per square foot per annum, plus GST.

4.        PROPERTY TAXES AND
OPERATING EXPENSES

	 	
The Landlord shall be responsible for structural repairs and structural maintenance
to the Building. The Subtenant shall be responsible and pay for its
proportionate share of building property taxes and operating expenses, plus GST,
as described in the Head Lease attached hereto as Schedule “B.” The
Subtenant shall also pay for its business taxes and telephone charges.

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5.        COMMUNICATIONS
EQUIPMENT

	 	
The Subtenant shall be responsible for the installation and maintenance of its
telephones, computers and special communications equipment.

6.        SUBLANDLORD'S WORK

	 	
None.  The space will be taken on an "as is" basis.

7.        WORKING DRAWINGS

	 	
The Subtenant shall be responsible for the preparation of all space plan services
with respect to any new improvements to the Premises. The Subtenant shall also
submit to the Sublandlord working drawings of the proposed Subtenant’s
improvements to the Premises, which drawings must be approved by the Sublandlord
prior to the commencement of any such work.

8.        PERMITS

	 	
It is the Subtenant’s responsibility to secure all the necessary building
permits and approvals required by the City of Vancouver for any new leasehold
improvements. Such permits must be secured before any such work shall commence
on the premises. The Subtenant shall also be responsible for making application
for a certificate of occupancy as required by the City of Vancouver as it
applies to the leasehold improvements.

9.        PARKING

	 	
The Sublandlord shall make available to the Subtenant Four (4) unreserved parking
stalls to be located in the parking garage for the Building at the prevailing
market rental rate from time to time.

10.      USE OF PREMISES

	 	
The Premises are to be used as a office.

11.      HEAD LEASE

	 	
The Subtenant agrees to abide by all the terms, conditions, rules and regulations
contained in the Head Lease to be provided by the Subtenant within Three (3)
business days of acceptance of this Offer, except as provided for in this Offer
to Sublease.

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12.      SUBTENANT'S CONDITION

	 	
This Offer shall be subject to the Subtenant’s review and approval of the Head
Lease.
	 	

The above subject clause is for the sole benefit of the Subtenant and must be waived
unilaterally by the Subtenant in order to proceed with completion of the
contract. Should this subject clause not be removed from this offer to Sublease
by notice in writing to the Sublandlord or CB Richard Ellis Limited by
September 8, 2000, this agreement shall be null and void and all deposit
monies, plus GST, shall be returned to the Subtenant without deduction.

13.      DEPOSIT

	 	
All deposit monies, plus GST, required by this agreement shall be payable to:

	 	
        CB Richard Ellis Limited

        #600 - 1111 West Georgia Street

        Vancouver, BC

        V6E 4M3

	 	

The Subtenant shall, within forty eight (48) hours of removal of the final Subject
Condition of this Offer to Sublease, tender a deposit cheque in the amount of
Fourteen Thousand Nine Hundred Eighty Dollars ($14,980) including GST (the
“Deposit”). Such Deposit shall be held in trust by CB Richard Ellis
Limited and shall be applied towards payment of rental and GST, for the first
and last months of the sublease term as they become due. The Deposit shall be
held in trust by CB Richard Ellis Limited until the Subtenant takes possession
of the Premises, after which time the monies shall be transferred to the
Sublandlord’s account. Should the Deposit be equal to Five Thousand Dollars
($5,000.00) or more, the Deposit is to be placed in an interest bearing account
with interest accruing to the Subtenant until being transferred to the
Sublandlord.

14.      LANDLORD'S CONSENT

	 	
This Offer to Sublease is subject to the consent of Dunsmuir and Hornby Ltd. (the
“Landlord”) by September 12, 2000. If such consent is not
received by the said date, this Offer shall be null and void and all deposit
monies, plus GST, shall be returned to the Subtenant without deduction.

15.      AGENCY DISCLOSURE

	 	
a)	
The Sublandlord has an agency relationship with Avison Young (Agent) and
Stephen Moscovich (Salesperson).
	 	

b)	

The Subtenant has an agency relationship with CB Richard Ellis Limited (Agent)
and Lisa Ayrton/Blair Quinn (Salesperson).

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16.      FACSIMILE TRANSMISSION

	 	
A party hereto may signify its agreement to the terms hereof by facsimile
transmission. A telecopy facsimile of this agreement received by a party hereto
which shows the signature(s) of the authorized signatory(ies) of the other party
will be good proof of execution by that other party.

17.      ACCEPTANCE

	 	
This Offer to Sublease is open for acceptance until 5:00 p.m., on the 30th
day of August, 2000.

DATED at North Vancouver
this 29th day of August, 2000.

PIVOTAL CORPORATION

Per:     [SIGNATURE ILLEGIBLE]
             
    [SIGNATURE ILLEGIBLE]
      
       
         (Authorized Signatory) 
              
     (Witness)

       
     Andre J. Beaulieu

       
     General Counsel

       
     Pivotal Corporation

       
     300 - 324 West Esplanade

       
     North Vancouver, B.C.  V7M 3M6

We hereby
accept this lease and agree to be bound by the terms and conditions
contained herein. 

DATED at Toronto this 29th day of August, 2000.

PRIMUS TELECOMMUNICATIONS (CANADA) INC.

Per:     [SIGNATURE ILLEGIBLE]
             
             
              
              
      
       
         (Authorized Signatory) 
              
     (Witness)

We hereby approve and consent to this sublease.

DUNSMUIR AND HORNBY LTD.

Per:             
              
              
             
             
              
              
      
       
         (Authorized Signatory) 
              
     (Witness)

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