You're code is simpler. You win. I'll add the changes. Currently trying to get the emails to come through... I've got it creating a contributor... and associating it to the contribution and the user... just need the email to come through... progress is so slow... but we march on! Also, just FYI... I comment a lot just so I can remember what's going on... I really appreciate your commenting back! But just no that I'm not expecting it... you can totally wait till Monday... thanks so much for your generosity so far man.