@dbu so we should add a config parameter called recursive_breadcrumbs to cmf_menu.persistence.phpcr and default to true. Then on line 41 https://github.com/benglass/MenuBundle/blob/904a93dd10b3cd5fa6ca70ce18effe8dc67f15d5/Admin/MenuNodeAdmin.php#L41 i can add a check for this parameter to the guard clause. how does that sound?