> Also, I don't remember the consensus that said phobos stopped supporting them.

I'm not sure that there really has been a consensus per se. I've objected to removing them pretty much every time that it's come up, but Walter and Andrei seem to have decided that they are a failed experiment and that they should go away, and that seems to be how they treat them whenever they come up. I don't know what the community at large thinks though.