# Talk:Vorlesungen über die Entwicklung der Mathematik im 19. Jahrhundert

From Rgdboer: [1]. Esevoke (talk) 22:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

That is the second half of the English translation. —Kusma (talk) 22:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

https://zbmath.org/52.0022.05 zentralblatt . Review is not helpful but has lots of great references to other reviews.
Bieberbach review https://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/id/PPN37721857X_0037?tify=%7B%22pages%22%3A%5B481%5D%2C%22pan%22%3A%7B%22x%22%3A0.527%2C%22y%22%3A0.421%7D%2C%22view%22%3A%22thumbnails%22%2C%22zoom%22%3A0.839%7D
Salkowski review https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015009223382&seq=444
Lietzmann review https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015037931899&seq=458
Lange-Nielsen review https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000100021447&seq=314
HF review in enseignement https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=ens-001%3A1926%3A25#473
Rowe, David. "Perspective on Hilbert". Perspect. Sci. 5 (1997), no. 4, 533–570. MR 1671564, Zbl 1292.01034 https://doi.org/10.1162/posc_a_00539
doesn't seem to have any content related to these books
Rowe, David E. (1989). "Klein, Hilbert, and the Göttingen Mathematical Tradition". Osiris. 5 (1): 186–213. doi:10.1086/368687. ISSN 0369-7827.
https://zbmath.org/0671.01029 Second Russian translation in Zentralblatt
https://zbmath.org/0398.01006 Reprint in Zentralblatt
https://zbmath.org/0411.01009 Review of English translation only mentions German reprint
Scan of Vol. 1, a 1950 edition published by Chelsea, at the IA: https://archive.org/details/vorlesungenuberd0000feli_v0g2/

This review is transcluded from Talk:Vorlesungen über die Entwicklung der Mathematik im 19. Jahrhundert/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Kusma (talk · contribs) 07:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: MathKeduor7 (talk · contribs) 11:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
Co-reviewers and collaborators: Adumbrativus (05:57, 3 July 2025 UTC) and 慈居 (06:09, 3 July 2025 UTC).

It is just the second time I review for GA status. I've read and understood WP:GACR6. Now I'll immediately begin reading the entire article very carefully. I'll keep you informed. MathKeduor7 (talk) 11:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
P.S. I've read and understood the other criteria at Wikipedia:Good article criteria too. This will take some time. MathKeduor7 (talk) 11:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
P.P.S. I am donating my time to review this article because of Kusma's gentle answer here. MathKeduor7 (talk) 11:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
 Comment: There are used 25 different sources in this article. I will not read/check them all, but a random sample of 10. This will be done after I read the current version of the article. This decision is backed by WP:GANI. I'll keep you informed. MathKeduor7 (talk) 11:53, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
Btw, I'll generate the random list of sources now, using https://www.gigacalculator.com/randomizers/random-picker.php , let's see! MathKeduor7 (talk) 11:57, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
Result (ten random sources): 13, 23, 7, 8, 17, 19, 1, 6, 24, and 20. MathKeduor7 (talk) 11:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
Btw, that is: 1, 6, 7, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 23, and 24. MathKeduor7 (talk) 12:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
I don't have access to:

Kerimov, M. K. (1 June 2008). "In memory of Nikolai Makarovich Nagornyi (1928–2007)". Computational Mathematics and Mathematical Physics. 48 (6): 1076–1080. Bibcode:2008CMMPh..48.1076K. doi:10.1134/S096554250806016X. ISSN 1555-6662.
MathKeduor7 (talk) 12:08, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

If you have access to The Wikipedia Library, Kerimov is here. If you read Russian, it is here (with PDF here). Happy to send a PDF of the English version if needed. —Kusma (talk) 13:23, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
Do you still have some PDFs of the sources used here? I can tell you my e-mail address at your user talk page. Please could you send some PDFs for me to check? (even the ones not randomly selected here!) MathKeduor7 (talk) 13:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
 Comment: This article is really well-written. I am impressed. I'll keep reading and then tell what I think of the lead, and only then start checking references. MathKeduor7 (talk) 12:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

The lead is fine as it is, and meets MOS:LEAD, but I think there are lead-worthy information in the body of the article that could be mentioned there (it's thin as of now). I'll think about it more calmly later and let you know my opinion better. MathKeduor7 (talk) 14:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Nevermind, the "Content" section is too difficult to summarize. MathKeduor7 (talk) 17:33, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

My plan is just to check if it's well sourced (for every interpretation of "well sourced"), because the article clearly meets all other criteria. I'll keep you informed. MathKeduor7 (talk) 17:35, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
 Comment: So far all the sources I've read are backing the contents properly. I think this will be a quick GA pass review. MathKeduor7 (talk) 11:37, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I got a flu (disease). Review will be frozen for some time, sorry. MathKeduor7 (talk) 08:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Get well soon! —Kusma (talk) 09:02, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'll start reading some of the sources today! MathKeduor7 (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

The books are clearly notable, but some sources just give brief mentions of them. Which is the most in-depth source about the books? MathKeduor7 (talk) 08:20, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

P.S. It's probably one of the book reviews. MathKeduor7 (talk) 10:54, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
For example: Kerimov only mentions them by name in the references section (or I am wrong?). MathKeduor7 (talk) 08:23, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

For general notability, the book reviews by Smith and White together with the review of the reprint by Strubecker are probably enough. The book by Tobies provides in-depth information about Klein and the background of the book, as do some of Rowe's articles.
The Kerimov reference is here only to clarify the identity of the translator into Russian. —Kusma (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Review by sampling is 2/3 complete. Everything went fine till now. I'll keep you informed. MathKeduor7 (talk) 05:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
I can't read Chinese, I'll accept things assuming good faith or ask a second opinion. MathKeduor7 (talk) 05:16, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Answer: good faith is 99,9% guaranteed to be good, but I'll ask a 2nd opinion (co-reviewer) anyway, to be rigorous. MathKeduor7 (talk) 05:17, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
I visited the given links https://academic.hep.com.cn/fmc/CN/book/978-7-04-028886-5-00 and https://academic.hep.com.cn/fop/CN/book/978-7-04-032284-2 and generally the descriptions of those translations in the article text are straightforwardly verifiable. I'm not sure where is the translation of Hermann's preface to the English translation so I'd appreciate a more specific pointer for finding that. Alternatively I would suggest that the level of detail describing the translation is more than I think is really necessary, and could be trimmed, or more condensed into the list (for instance Template:Cite book has fields for translator). In any event please do not consider this comment a requirement for GA. Adumbrativus (talk) 05:57, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Adumbrativus! The collection of prefaces for the first volume can be accessed here (click "PDF在线阅读). Bottom of p. vii explains why the English preface was translated into Chinese. The translation of the English preface itself is on pp. ix-x. This bit also contains Yau's introduction to the series (which does not mention Klein, but in my view inclusion of the book into the series shows that Yau valued it).
This translator's preface (and the other translator's appendix remark [4] for the second volume) could in principle be used to comment more on the book and translations, but I thought it was not necessary; the main point for our English-reading audiences is that the translation exists, adding to the importance of the book. —Kusma (talk) 06:17, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
I see, thanks! Adumbrativus (talk) 07:07, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
@MathKeduor7 Thank you for inviting me here! The Chinese text in the article is fine. I plan to purchase the two volumes, so please tell me in case any details need to be verified. :) 慈居 (talk) 06:49, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Congratulations, Kusma! This article is GA quality level. MathKeduor7 (talk) 14:09, 3 July 2025 (UTC)