# Talk:Yuko Ichihara

Some of the new edits have some useful information but really poor English grammar. I made a few edits to it but a few things are just off somehow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Hopcroft (talk • contribs) 04:53, August 21, 2006 (UTC)

I watched a particular fan subbed episode..... She says she took it from a shrine. I need to read the Manga anagin to verify.  The Vase was stolen froma shrine in the Legal Drug manag storyline... when their assingment was supposedly to " retrieve it" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.209.206.1 (talk) 21:54, August 23, 2006 (UTC)

I was reading Yuko's profile and something does not add up however im not goping to take it down. The only times I saw Maru and Moro interact with Yuko's clients are the non Human ones. But they never show themselves to Human clients
Also are there any basis that they were REALLY created by Yuko? or Clow?
Fan speculations are also arsing in some boards they may be former clients of Yuko... possible those that passed away or gave thier life as a wish? and became puppets. Or they are dolls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.209.206.1 (talk) 21:59, August 23, 2006 (UTC)

I suppose that this is sort of true up to a certain point in the manga, as I've yet to watch the anime. But shouldn't Domeki count as a customer, considering a certain event later on in the manga regarding Watanuki? True, we do not see (in the manga) Domeki wander in like Watanuki and the other (female) customers, but he still did a deal with Yuko. Thus, I suggest changing this to include both Watanuki and Domeki as the only male customers. Ultatri 05:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Three days, no objections - I will be including Domeki as Yuko's other male customer (see Vol 10, Chapter 11, or simply chapter 119). Admittedly , I've not watched the Anime, so if Domeki's a customer only in the manga so far, please feel free to edit the article and note here on the talk page.Ultatri 18:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I've also edited the line for coherence.Ultatri 18:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it has occured to me that beyond those two, a number of other characters that were customers are also not female (Syaoran, tengu-karasu, etc). Therefore, it would be better if we either listed all of her customers thus far, or (as I would prefer) just delete this trivia bit.Ultatri 18:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
13 days, no yays/nays - I've deleted the line in particular. Refer to preceding note on reason for deletion.Ultatri 15:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Where are the citations, most anime/manga articles at least have citations by chapter?
Also does anyone else think that this article is a bit slanted towards Yuko within xxxHolic, she appears quite a bit in Tsubasa and the role isn't small.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.4.46.93 (talk) 10:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC) 

Should Yūko be added to the Tsubasa Chronicle template box? Because she is more than a minor character in Tsubasa Chronicle - she appears frequently in the manga. Ggctuk (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 13:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC) 

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When creating Yuko, Clamp wanted to have a character who is aware of the multiple fictional universes she creates during her career. Yuko herself creates new universes with her power? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
When creating Yuko, Clamp gave her three patterns of behavior. The three patterns of behaviour should either be explained or not mentioned at all. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 Done. Removed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Ohara befriended Fukuyama across their works too. How is this important to understanding Yuko instead of Ohara? This sounds like it should be on Sayaka Ohara instead. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 Done by requester. Removed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:37, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
More than a third of §Characterization and themes: This section either needs more explicit attribution to Manga Cultures and the Female Gaze, or it should be significantly reduced. This definitely sounds like character interpretation, and should not be in Wikipedia's voice. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 Done. Provided attribution, but still think that's too much character interpretation for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
In the xxxHolic Rō OVA, Watanuki receives a recorded tape from a girl that has Yuko saying "I'm home". The following OVA has Watanuki finding Yuko in one of his Shizuka Dōmeki's memories where the witch gave him a magical egg. This sounds a bit too fancrufty, and they seem more like cameo appearances than notable ones. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 Done by requester. Removed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:34, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
On the other hand, Active Anime the revelation that Yuko has always been closed to the antagonist Fei-Wang Reed and how she kept assisting Syaoran in the process while also guarding the younger Watanuki. I have no idea what this sentence is trying to say. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 Done. Tweaked the sentence. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Looking forward to your responses. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Thanks for the copyedit. I tried revising everything but it's kinda hard to describe the poison woman stereotype since I couldn't find. From what I understand the poison woman is an archetype of the femme fatale who uses her sex appeal and maturity to interact with others. Judging by a reviewer, Yuko's poison is how she interacts with guests of her shop who are kinda weak.Tintor2 (talk) 23:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tintor2: While I can appreciate that, the issue isn't what she's characterised as, but what relevance it has to an encyclopedia. I'm not going to touch that section any further, but I would be careful of how much weight that source is given. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Did a  bit more of removal. Removed the concept of poison woman since it wasn't properly explained in that book too.Tintor2 (talk) 13:29, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tintor2: In that case I believe I am done. Best of luck. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Yuko Ichihara/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Alexandra IDV (talk · contribs) 16:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Will be reviewing this.--AlexandraIDV 16:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Lead

I think we can expect readers to know what witches are, and remove the link to that
Done
Kou Shibasaki will portray Yuko in a 2022 live-action film. - make sure not to speak about the future with absolute certainty. Something like "Kou Shibasaki has been cast as Yuko[...]" avoids WP:CRYSTALBALL concerns.
Would suggest "animated adaptations" over "versions"
Done
I think you need to be more specific when mentioning the miniseries and the 2022 film, and linking xxxHolic (miniseries), because the times you mention them in the current revision (both in the lead and in the article body) it is very vague and unclear if they're based on xxxHolic or Tsubasa or what, and almost assumes the reader knows what they are.
Done
Creation

Yuko's character was not finalized until Clamp met the model who served as a basis for her. - this feels vague. Is "the model" referring to the beautician, or somebody else?
Reworded
Characterization

in regards to destiny (or inevitability) - this reads fine and more smoothly without the parentheses.
Rephrased
We don't write euphemisms like "passes away" on WP - go for the plainer "after she dies" or "after her death"
Revised
In xxxHolic

link yōkai
Done
Does "hitsuzen" add any nuance to the reader of this article? If hitsuzen means something more than the word inevitability does, you should either explain or link to a WP or Wiktionary article that explains.
Revised
"In order to" can almost always be rewritten as the more concise "To"
Done
Again avoid euphemisms like "the late"
Done
Other appearances

Mention that Midsummer Night's Dream is an animated film
Done
What are called "drama CDs" in Japanese are typically called audio dramas (or radio dramas if aired on the radio) in English
Done
xxxHolic ~Watanuki no Izayoi Sowa~ - this is not how we format subtitles on WP. See MOS:JAPAN - this should be written as "xxxHolic: Watanuki no Izayoi Sowa".
Done
xxxHolic Rei features Yuko. is very brief and ruins the reading flow. What is xxxHolic Rei even?
Further expanded
while Kou Shibasaki will take the same role in the 2022 live-action film. like before, avoid speaking about future events with absolute certainty
Revised.
Reception

In the Animage's Anime Grand Prix poll from 2007, - should "the" really be there?
Removed.
Names of creative works (Animate Times, Anime News Network, Active Anime, UK Anime News, Comics Worth Reading) should be consistently written in italics. Not part of the GA criteria, but this is also an issue with the ref formatting.
Added
Images

This is not part of the GA criteria, but I would highly recommend adding alt text to all images to aid readers with impaired vision
Added alt to every image
The caption "A Yuko Ichihara cosplayer." should not end with a period, because that is not a complete sentence
I would suggest shrinking the cosplay photo thumbnail to avoid sandwiching the text between it and the pictures of the actresses
Removed. I think it kinda clahsed regardless of size or screen of a computer
That's about it, I think. If you wish to take this further after the review, I would recommend taking it through a peer review, because the writing could use some work in spots for improved flow (but not anything standing in the way of GA). I will put this on hold for the standard seven days - ping me when you have addressed the above or if you have any questions, and I will take another look.--AlexandraIDV 23:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandra IDV: I tried revising every issue. Thanks for the review.Tintor2 (talk) 00:02, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
I have done some further CE (your recent edits inadvertently introduced some typos), but I think it's good to go for GA by now.--AlexandraIDV 19:42, 30 December 2021 (UTC)