# Talk:Y. A. Tittle

The numbers don't add up for TD and INT from the statistics listed under the left hand menu and the ones on the bottom listing his separate stats from AAFL and NFL.  The yards add up, but TD-INT are way off.

There is nothing about his upbring: His parents, his life in Marshall, Texas, or how he got the name Yelberton.  The article mentions his insurance company and says his son runs it, yet fails to mention anything about his being married, what his wife's name was, when and where they got married, or if there were other children but his son.  It does not even have the name of the high school he attended.  The biography lacks for these missing pieces of information.
Regarding his career, Tittle was known as the first of the so called "gunslinging" quarterbacks who favored passing over running and the long pass over the short one.  The article mentions Steve Bartkowski, Dan Marino, and Bret Farve who are all considered "gunslingers" and only tangentially touchs on what they owe him as a traiblazer in this style of quarterbacking.  It would improve the article greatly if this point were included.
76.4.88.56 (talk) 05:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)DWright

Oops. Today I created an article titled "Y. A. Tittle" with a space between the Y and the A.  The San Francisco 49ers page has a space between the Y and the A, which does not redirect here, so there did not seem to be any article for him. However, the New York Giants article has no space between the Y and the A, and thus directs to this article.
So which should stay, Y.A. Tittle or Y. A. Tittle?

I'll merge them to the one with the space. Wait till it's done and then you can see if there's any content that needs to be taken from the history and added to ther article. Don't worry if you see that one article is "deleted":that's a (temporary) step in merging, and all the info will be in the history. - Nunh-huh 00:33, 27 September 2005 (UTC) - done.

Why is his time at LSU under "distinctions" and not "career"? The content is not any awards or records, but more anecdotal. Shouldn't career information be stated chronologically? Dukeofwulf (talk) 19:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

"Freshman were still eligible to play on varsity at that time" Oh. How so? There do seem to be several exceptions, but I was also under the impression it was rare in the south between 1921 and 1972. Cake (talk) 12:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

@MisterCake: That's what was stated in the Vault, although I'm yet to find any info on his LSU career as a freshman or sophomore. I do remember seeing somewhere when I was working on another player that the freshman ban was lifted during WWII. Lizard (talk) 15:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, surely the war is the reason. Cake (talk) 15:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
"The NCAA had changed some rules to accommodate the challenges that colleges faced in assembling football teams..." "Freshmen could play varsity sports whereas before the war they had to sit out a year." Part III on Tittle's Golden Ranking's profile. Lizard (talk) 16:31, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Probably best to leave it as just "mvp" and address the selectors in the body. Another option is something like <small>(UPI)</small>, but I find that quite ugly in the infobox. Cake (talk) 21:12, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

@MisterCake: This is something that's been tearing at me for months. I don't want make it seem like I'm giving players undue recognition; I'd imagine a lot of casual readers aren't aware there was more than one NFL MVP award. I know I wasn't until just recently. How many people do you know who consider Randall Cunningham a two-time MVP? But the way it was done before is just not an option. Lizard (talk) 20:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

the statement that his high school team  was undefeated and reached the state finals is internally inconsistent. if they were undefeated, then, presumably, they won the state championship. if they lost in the final, then they weren't undefeated. i am assuming that what was meant was that they were undefeated until the state finals, but a small clarification is in order Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:02, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Typically when a team is said to have gone undefeated, it refers to the regular season only. I'll see if I can find anything more from newspapers at the time. Lizard (talk) 23:17, 14 October 2017 (UTC):
sorry, but i just fundamentally disagree with your position re. the common usage. the word means what it says. if you lost your last game, you weren't undefeated. you're going to have to cite some pretty significant examples to convince me otherwise.20:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Y.A. Tittle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: BlackJack (talk · contribs) 13:37, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


### Starting review
Happy to review this and will commence soon. Jack | talk page 13:37, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


### Report
No point in beating about the bush. This is an excellent article which is highly readable, very informative and almost completely sourced. I suppose it is necessary to do a bit of "nit-picking" to prove I've actually done a review. So, well, there are three or four places where I've inserted a citation request tag, the main one being for the whole of the career stats section and then there are a couple of sentences where a citation would be nice for completeness. I've made a couple of small copyedits, one in the lead to confirm the actual dates of his pro career in addition to its span, and insertion of a word somewhere else. 
If you can provide the remaining citations, I will have no problem alley-ooping this and I'll place it on hold for the moment. I'm not too interested in the tedium of the FA process so I can't really say if this is ready yet for a nomination there, but it is most probably the best article I've picked up at GAN. I won't bother with the checklist here as it would be superfluous. Very well done. Jack | talk page 11:23, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

@BlackJack: Ha, well. This was certainly the most fun article I've worked on. Tittle's career coincided with the rise of many better-known NFL superstars, so he's been forgotten to time a bit. I'll get to the citation concerns later today. Lizard (talk) 19:02, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
I think that's everything. Lizard (talk) 02:29, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Brilliant. Passes GA easily. I really enjoyed reviewing this one. A pity we can't upload the famous photograph, which is well-known even over here in England. I knew immediately which photo it would be when I read the description. Well done, Lizard, and all the best. Jack | talk page 10:00, 19 November 2016 (UTC):;