# Talk:Sunda Straits Crisis

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I'll take this one. Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 18:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


### Comments
I'll say at once that this is an impressively well-written article (with a particularly clear summary in the lead), and few signs of anything that needs fixing, so I expect my comments will be few and simple. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I'd suggest additional wikilinks in image captions: Sunda Strait (also in lead), Java, Sumatra, President Sukarno, Konfrontasi (also in text), HMS Victorious, Subandrio.
Done.
A few terms could usefully be wikilinked in the main text, e.g. Lombok Strait.
Done (Imperialist, Carrier Group, etc).
A few glosses would be welcome, e.g. Lord Antony Head is introduced without explanation, and we're not told what role R.A. Butler had at that moment.
I've added the roles of both.
When did Ramsay Macdonald call the project the 'Grand Design', and was it when he was PM?
My sincere apologies, it was supposed to be Malcolm McDonald. Anyhow, it was at some point during the 1950s.
Aha.
Who was the Tunku of Malaysia at the time? It might also be worth glossing the term, say as "(prince)".
It was Abdul Rahman, in fact, the Prime Minister to whom my source seems to refer to. I've changed this in the text.
I'm unsure about the use of "Confrontation" with a capital. If as it seems it's a translation of Konfrontasi then the latter would seem to be the better, more specific term?
Most of the sources I have read, including primary-source British ones, talk about the Confrontation like such, and seem to use it interchangeably with the policy and also with the conflict. I would prefer to leave it, but I will change it if you feel it is necessary.
OK.
"too powerful an asset to lose" -> "too valuable an asset to lose".
Done.
"in retaliation to" -> "in retaliation for"
Done.
"equally if not more valid than" doesn't quite work, we can't say "equally valid than". Suggest "equally as valid, if not more than".
Done. 
"the subsequent Indonesian United Nations defeat" should either be wikilinked or briefly explained and dated.
I was actually referring the near-condemnation of Indonesia in the UN, mentioned in the 1st paragraph of 'Aftermath.'
"the closest point to which the Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation came to total war" -> "the closest the Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation came to total war".
Done.


### Images
The Peter Thorneycroft image is non-free. I rather doubt that's ok here, but if you wish to try your luck you at least need an NFUR under the image on Commons: otherwise, please remove the image.
I have removed the image, after finding no adequate substitute. Anyway, thank you for your thoughtful review, your help is much appreciated. Regards, Herodotus (talk) 00:43, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:30, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


### Summary
This is an elegantly-constructed article well up to the required standard and I'm happy to pass it as a GA. I wish you the best of luck with it at FAC if that's where you're headed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:27, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Comment originally posted in the article, when it should have been posted on the talk page.
I served in HMS BERWICK during this incident and we, along with other escorts who were exercising in the waters around Singapore, were ordered to RAS overnight (re-fuel while underway at sea) and proceed with all dispatched. With all ships darkened we made a fast passage through the Malacca Straits and around the northern tip of Indonesia to rendezvous with the north-bound carrier and her escorts. I can't be sure of the precise number of ships who came through the Straits (I  have a feeling that there may also have been an RFA in the mix too - but I can't be sure.)
The ships went to action stations before dawn and remained in that state until clear of Indonesian waters. HMS BERWICK,  a Type 12 frigate and Captain D of the 21st Escort Squadron, led the now enlarged task group through the Indonesian waters. The increased size of the force appearing out of the dawn light most probably surprised the Indonesians. In the approaches to the Straits we were buzzed by low-flying, shore-based, Fairey Gannet aircraft (I personally saw this).
There was a suggestion that we had sonar contacts but I have no idea what the confidence level was - or if even if they were confirmed as a probable submarine. The Indonesians did have several (about a dozen), former Russian, Whisky-class submarines - indeed they were reputed to have the largest submarine fleet in the Far East ( although it was suggested that they were no longer well maintained) So, given the fact that they knew the route that the carrier must take, it is entirely possible that they sent a boat (or more) out.
The article on this matter requires much more detailed research. A starting point might be HMS Berwick's Report Of Proceedings (ROP) for the period in question - if these have been declassified and are available in the UK National Archives, Kew, London. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montague whaler (talk • contribs) 22:17, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

@Montague whaler: Do you know whether a commission book was published for the Berwick's second commission?  If yes, do you have a copy? I know that one was published for her third commission.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:12, 19 September 2025 (UTC)