# Talk:Valinor

One thing: The article says that they are "mistakenly called 'gods'  - but then consistenly refers to them as "gods" itself.   Perhaps this should be changed to read something like "Yavanna, who rules nature, growth and harvest" or "the Vala of nature growth and harvest" instead of "Yavanna, the goddess of nature, growth, and harvest"?
I'll change this myself if others agree.

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The intro says the following:

This is something of a misnomer; only immortal beings were allowed to reside there, but the land itself, while blessed, did not cause mortals to live forever. Amongst the exceptions to this were the surviving bearers of the One Ring — Bilbo and Frodo Baggins and also Samwise Gamgee, who bore the One Ring for some time during their perilous journey to Mt. Doom — and Gimli son of Glóin who, it is said, accompanied his friend Legolas to Valinor.
Does that mean that Frodo et al were exceptions to not becoming immortal while arriving in Valinor, or that they were exceptions allowed to live there?
Also, do we have any sources for any of this?LedRush (talk) 14:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Sources are essential, especially about SAm and Gimli and Legolas.  Frodo says Sam might come some day, but I don't know where Gimli and Legolas are mentioned in this regard. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Re Sam and Gimli, see the end of Appendix B (S.R. 1482 and 1541).  (Legolas, of course, is already immortal.)  In the Letters (#156, p. 205), Tolkien clarifies that the Undying Lands do not confer immortality on mortals.  See also #249, p. 328–9:  "Frodo was sent or allowed to pass over Sea to heal him -- if that could be done, before he died.  He would have eventually to "pass away": no mortal could, or can, abide for ever on earth, or within Time." -- Elphion (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, this information comes from the LOTR appendices, but the same is true from Samwise Gamgee having travelled there as a ringbearer. Is "perhaps" therefore innapropriate? Do we have any reason to doubt this? I haven't read the Letters from start to finish, and don't have a copy on hand; is the "perhaps" from Tolkien's letters? Or (I actually highly suspect this), did Tolkien write in a letter that only immortals and ringbearers could go there, and someone took this is as possibly overriding what Tolkien wrote in LOTR, and hence "perhaps"?
If this latter is the case, then "perhaps" doesn't belong in the lead. The ambivalence and apparent contradiction should be discussed in detail in the body, or perhaps in a footnote.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Any info about the etymology of the name? Sounds Arabic to me, literally meaning "safety" which would be in accord with the characteristics and profile. --2A02:8109:9280:14A0:56B2:3FF:FE9B:9B23 (talk) 00:33, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
It's in one of Tolkien's invented languages, Quenya, meaning "Land of the Valar". No link to Arabic and no indication he was familiar with that language. Chiswick Chap (talk) 05:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

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