# Talk:Shawn Mendes: For Friends and Family Only (A Live Concert Film)

Please note WP:UGC and WP:MOSFILM. User generated content such as user voted web polls are not allowed, they are fundamentally not reliable sources. Rotten Tomatoes audience scores are not allowed. Metacritic user scores are not allowed. IMDB user votes are not allowed. It is disappointing that this detail somehow escaped scrutiny and got past {{good article}} review. If there aren't any reliable sources reporting on audience response then unfortunately editors have to leave it out of the article. -- 109.76.128.25 (talk) 14:39, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Restored yet again.(diff) I still don't see any explanation that would justify this exception to WP:UGC. It fundamentally violates the principles of WP:RS reliable sources. Simply choosing to ignore the guidelines is not an actual argument to make an exception. It wasn't clear from the good article review that editors understood they were actively ignoring both WP:UGC and WP:MOSFILM. There are a few exceptions to this rule but they are rare and they are usually based on a distinct split between critics and audiences, and secondary sources reporting on that, because the audience score isn't notable by itself but as an indication of a critics audience split it might occasionally be worth mentioning. Even if there was an excuse to include the audience score in the article body, pushing it into the lead section is bizarre and WP:UNDUE. By all means ask WP:MOSFILM for a second opinion. -- 109.76.128.25 (talk) 21:23, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
For anyone else reading here is a direct link to the part of the GA review where the editors simply choose to ignore the rules and include the audience scores and user votes anyway, even though they are at least vaguely aware that this is not normally allowed. Talk:Shawn_Mendes:_For_Friends_and_Family_Only_(A_Live_Concert_Film)/GA1#Lead -- 109.76.128.25 (talk) 21:37, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
Discussed elsewhere and resolved Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film#WP:UGC_User_voted_scores -- 109.76.128.25 (talk) 23:22, 13 August 2025 (UTC)