# Talk:Sonic R

Who said that the R stands for racing? Gerard Foley 17:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Um...what else could it stand for? Ravioli? RememberMe? 15:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Racing? Rush? Rage? Or for those who cant handle the heat, Retire?
it stands for Racers
Well the Smash Brothers Brawl soundtrack has a song called 'Super Sonic Racing'... 92.25.192.48 (talk) 17:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the "Sequel" section as it was a horrid mess of wild speculation and bad typing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.138.165 (talk) 10:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 

I've heard and agree with several statements saying that the game's biggest flaw is that it is simply "too short" due to having only five tracks that can be completed within 3 minutes each. Can we put this in somehow? E Liquere 01:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I didn't think the game was short, because you could do other stuff like unlocking new characters, ect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamaluigibob (talk • contribs) 01:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC) 

Under the trivia section of this article, it says "Sonic R is Metal Knuckle's only appearance."
Wasn't Metal Knuckles also in Sonic Advance as the boss of Angel Island Zone?

We're not sure if that's Metal Knuckles or some other Knux-shaped robot, so it's probable, but we can't be sure yet. RememberMe? 15:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
They seem like totally different characters to me, and looking all the Sonic-based robots, it wouldn't suprise me if they were, not to mention the only appearance of other characters, like Tails Doll. DanPMK 04:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
If nobody is 100% sure whether they are or aren't the same character, perhaps that piece of info should be removed from the article?
As I recall, they are two seperate robots. Often times, Sonicteam will write the official strategy guide for their games in Japan; in the official strategy guide for Sonic Advance, they refer to it as "Mecha Knuckles", indicating a slight difference between "Metal Knuckles" in this game (just as there is a slight difference between "Metal Sonic" (Sonic CD) and "Mecha Sonic" (Sonic & Knuckles)). BlazeHedgehog 10:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Metal knuckles is also in sonic heroes. You have to hold down these two buttons(IN two player mode) and whatever team you are playing on(dark, rose, ect.) will have the characters in robot form...i forget the name of the buttons though([user:BlueBananas4ever])7:15, 19 April 2008

I remember that the PC version of SonicR required a network patch to be able to play multiplayer across a network. Does anyone know where to get it? (it's very hard to find!). I think that a link to the patch should be added to the article
--220.245.145.19 14:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

That patch does not work for Windows XP, and I can't seem to find the link to it. DanPMK 21:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
See, I told you it was hard-to-find ;) --220.245.145.19 02:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I found the networking patch! After looking on all different sites, I finally found it on SEGA.com! :P. I'll edit the article to point to it. --Daniel15 06:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The bit about the soundtrack was poorly written and I was obliged to remove a sentence or two. Bad singing? Cheesy lyrics? These terms don't belong in a Wiki! - PhakeDC

is it true about the tails doll curse?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.10.163 (talk) 02:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC) 
Should there be more info about the Tails Doll or this spooky 'curse'? He is an actual character, after all. Maybe all the secret characters should be explained in more detail. In some other article, I think he was referred to as  Metal Tails, or something like that. The curse is mentioned in the trivia section, but maybe it should actually be part of the article, or part of a different article, but not listed as a miscellaneous fact, because you can find it all over the internet. There are even online fan clubs devoted to the Tails Doll and his mysterious curse, which some believe to actually exist.
(it depends on if you believe in curses or not.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.163.29.81 (talk) 08:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC) 
See below. Tails Doll curse is real and fiction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.238.242.52 (talk) 02:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC) 

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Is he called Tails Doll or Metal Tails in the game? It seems like Metal Tails is more like the official name, while Tails Doll is mostly more of a fan-fiction kind of a thing, but I could be wrong. I've never actually played the game, so I don't really know. Oh, by the way, should the whole curse thing be in the article? I mean, there are a few fan clubs, but I guess it's mostly fan-fiction. But still.... I don't know. Well, if anyone knows, then please.... do something? I'm done rambling XD Oh, by the way, this article is seriously lacking sources and good grammar.Cloudy fox 001 (talk) 08:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
The Tails Doll curse is real and fiction. It does not suck your soul, but could put you into a trance or make you get freaked out by play "Sonic's Theme-It Doesn't Matter" backwards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.238.242.52 (talk) 02:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC) 
He is officially called Tails Doll, believe it or not. I added a bit of info on the curse, as well as fixing up the errors in what it already said about the doll. Sheesh you guys. Sonic R was an obscure title. If it weren't for the "Tails Doll Curse", it would be just another old game. Can't he have his own paragraph at least without it getting deleted in three days? When I first heard of it, I looked up Sonic R simply to know what all the fuss was about! ...Honestly. And now! It is surely, definitely proven that it plays "Can You Feel The Sunshine" wherever you are. I don't know why that wasn't in there in the first place, but it is not just "many rumors". It is fact. Sorry for ranting.--74.78.193.84 (talk) 21:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Are y'all ever going to add any sources for this Tails Doll "curse" business, or should I just delete it? 70.152.70.38 (talk) 02:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
OK, I deleted it. You've had your fun, but this is Wikipedia, not ED. If you don't understand why I've done this, please read WP:NRVE. 70.152.70.38 (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
No notability? How about http://www.freewebs.com/tailsdollcurse/tailsdollcurses.htm http://www.quackerandbowen.com/sonicr.html http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-tails-doll http://www.fanpop.com/spots/tails-doll http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tails-Doll/65944804216 and so on? It'd be crazy to say it doesn't have a large following. On a quick google search for "tails doll curse" it says the following: About 12,700 results. Do you consider that to be not famous or important? --74.78.193.84 (talk) 15:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

If all you can come up with is an obscure webcomic, a bunch of fan sites, and a Facebook wall, then no, I don't consider it notable. As far as I can tell, this meme has gotten zero attention from the mainstream media (unlike, say, lolcats). 70.152.70.38 (talk) 17:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I feel it is something worth mentioning. I've heard a few references to it and just happened upon a youtube video about it (This video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJrQE8nciJw). Clearly we wouldn't want speculation or rumours on a Wikipedia article, however I just looked up "tails doll" on Wikipedia to find out facts about it and got redirected here. I think it really needs something mentioning about it? 80.7.27.189 (talk) 19:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

"For some reason, if the original Sonic R disc is inserted into a CD player, it starts playing the soundtrack from the game."
Um, is that really necessary? I mean, doesn't it seem a little... obvious that that would happen? Just a thought.
If anyone happens to read this some time within the next 10,000 years, then maybe you could put in your insight on this. Sorry but, it seems like people don't read the discussion pages of these obscure articles enough. (Sorry, nevermind my post above. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that.) Cloudy fox 001 (talk) 23:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm removing this section as its not actually true at all, I just checked through 4 separate magazine previews of the game and they were all positive, they all seemed more interested in talking of the graphics which they mentioned were "Some of the best they'd ever seen" and "easily the best graphics on Saturn"

I removed that comment as it is not the same case at all. In Gamespot's case there was controversy because of the huge ad campaign for K&L, and because the review actually agreed with the overall community consensus, so the firing was unjustified. This is very different to Sonic R, as the game was released to general acclaim, there was no support for the bad review at all, and there were no conflicts of interest. 62.1.120.243 (talk) 13:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

So what does Mario Kart and Sonic R have in common? Speedy X 77 (talk) 02:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

They are both very similar, mascot-based racing games where characters race one another and use items to affect other racers in order to place first. Sergecross73 msg me  03:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Sources that also support the connection

IGN
Game Informer Sergecross73 msg me  04:06, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
WOW! That is so sad that you already got some thing wrong Sonic R does not use items to affect other racers in order to place first your wrong! have you ever played Sonic R i'm so tired of people like you! and its sad that you said its like Mario kart for it being a mascot-based racing game that is sad!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Speedy X 77 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 25 December 2012 (UTC) 

Its been 10 years since I have played it, I forgot that there are only defensive items like shields. Point still stands - items are collected and used in both. Another common point - you collect rings, much like how you collect coins in several version of Mario Kart you collect coins. Face it, there are many similarities, and its even mentioned by several sources as well. I'm not saying its a clone or ripoff, just rather similar on concept. Sergecross73 msg me  14:22, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Wow 10 years ok so it has similar concept what? did you realize that its a racing game? look no one is copying its a racing game Sonic R is not like Mario Kart and Mario Kart is not like Sonic R so just stop ok. PS Happy Holidays! :) Speedy X 77 (talk) 00:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but I don't really get what you're trying to say. Your comment is rather sloppy and rambling. Can you explain your stance a little more clearly? Sergecross73 msg me  00:50, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok Sonic R is not like Mario Kart and Mario Kart is not like Sonic R do you have Sonic R? and Mario Kart 64? Speedy X 77 (talk) 01:11, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I own just about every Mario Kart, and Sonic R, not that it matters - I've given you a number of ways they are similar, and sources that back up the assertion, and all you seem to say is "They're different because they're not alike!" First, you should be detailing how they're different, and secondly, the big one, you need to give me valid reasons that we should ignore what these reliable sources, which back up what I'm saying. Sergecross73 msg me  01:16, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok you have them both so do you think there alike? tell me then i got something for you. Speedy X 77 (talk) 01:24, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I've obviously already expressed that I do... Sergecross73 msg me  02:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah HA! HA! ok i got sources -> http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_R -> http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Racing_series -> http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/sonic-r -> http://www.gamefaqs.com/saturn/198698-sonic-r/reviews/review-53958 -> http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_R -> http://sega.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_R -> http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_R so i got more then you do do you have any more or is that it oh and i got more for you Sonic R goes on foot & Mario Kart goes on karts & Sonic R does not use weapons & in Sonic R you can change the weather Mario Kart can't & the gameplay is difference like everything is difference in Sonic R. Speedy X 77 (talk) 04:10, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

First, you haven't yet stated what these sources are specifically saying that prove your argument.  Secondly, Wikias aren't useable as sources, as they violate WP:SPS. (They're not useable because any old random person can alter it to say whatever they want.)  That eliminates a majority of your sources right there. Fan sites aren't usually useable either - that eliminates Sonic Retro. Game Revolution would be technically useable, but again, you haven't stated what this source is supposed to prove yet. I've read the article - it doesn't even mention Mario Kart at any point, so I'm not sure how it proves anything regarding this argument. Lastly, as I said before, it's not saying they're exactly copies, it says they are similar. Games can be similar in concept and still have differences, like changing weather or types of items. They're still similar. Sergecross73 msg me  04:18, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes it is & what? sense when was the wikias not a useable source that means Wikipedia is not a useable source it ok i know your just saying that in your defence it ok i know you depressed face it your wrong and you know it you can't handle the truth. ps it says nothing about Mario Kart that means it not like it. Speedy X 77 (talk) 04:55, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I just gave you you the proof that Wikias aren't supposed to be used. Please read WP:SPS. Beyond that, just about all of your logic is flawed. If that's all you've got, I think we're just about done here... Sergecross73 msg me  05:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok forget the sources i gave you reasons real reasons you all you can say is it a mascot-based racing game so yeah i do think we are just about done here. Speedy X 77 (talk) 05:12, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so - we don't "forget the sources" on Wikipedia - Read WP:VERIFY. Not to mention I have far more reasons for them being alike... Sergecross73 msg me  14:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
No you didnt get it when i said forget the sources i was saying besides the souces what else do you have can you tell me what are they are alike just tell me dont say anything else & then i tell you how they are not alike & not say anything else ok. Speedy X 77 (talk) 06:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

This isn't the place to compare and contrast minute details in Mario Kart to those in Sonic. Two reliable sources have observed similarities between the two games. In its purest form, Sonic R is a racing game, and shares aspects with cart racing games, a subset of racing games. Mario Kart is a cart racing game, and it's used here as an example. The article does not actually say "Sonic R is similar to Mario Kart", it says it is "similar to cart racing games such as Mario Kart". There's a really big difference between the two wordings. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 07:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, I hadn't thought of explaining it that way. All the more reason to keep it in there. Sergecross73 msg me  20:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Just tell me. Speedy X 99 (talk) 22:05, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum. This isn't the place to debate how similar Sonic R and Mario Kart are. At any rate, such debate doesn't negate the fact two reliable sources have expressed that the two games possess similar aspects. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I told you to stay out of it. Speedy X 99 (talk) 22:27, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that two reliable sources have stated that the games contain similarities. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I gave sources that said the games are different. Speedy X 99 (talk) 22:43, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

As Sergecross73 said multiple times, Wikis are not considered reliable sources per WP:SPS, and the other sources don't even mention Mario Kart. How can a source say "Mario Kart and Sonic R are different" if it doesn't address Mario Kart at all? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
This is the last time i'm talking to you about Sonic R they didnt say Sonic R is similar to Mario Kart and do you when to know why its because Sonic R is not similar to Mario Kart. ps you stay out of it. Speedy X 99 (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Two reliable sources have stated that Sonic R has similarities to Mario Kart. That fact is not going to change, no matter how hard you try. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I know but they did not tell how or what are there alike. Speedy X 99 (talk) 23:02, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

If you read my statements above, this article does not say "Sonic R is similar to Mario Kart" and I have never once said the sources state that the two games are similar. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah you did if it does not say it then you guys dont have sources. Speedy X 99 (talk) 23:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Does not say what? That "Sonic R is similar to Mario Kart" or "Sonic R has similarities to Mario Kart"? There are sources for the latter, and they're in the article. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:17, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
No the sources. Speedy X 99 (talk) 23:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I just said there are sources. Sources for "Sonic R has similarities to Mario Kart". --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Where i dont see them. Speedy X 99 (talk) 23:30, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Please stop this. As long as your argument is strictly your personal opinion, and we're on Wikipedia, your argument isn't going to cut it. Please follow the advice I gave you on your talk page today. Sergecross73 msg me  23:35, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah Sergecross73 nice to have to back now tell. Speedy X 99 (talk) 23:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll run through this one last time, and then I'm done.
There are reliable sources that support the claim. They are the foundation of which Wikipedia is built upon, and what matter most in this argument. I've provided 2, and I'm sure there's more if need be. (Though 2 is sufficient for all intents and purposes.)
You have not provided any reliable sources contrary to the assertion. (You've provided unreliable and unusable sources, like Wikias (violates WP:SPS) and fansites, (Not a WP:RS) and you've provided irrelevant sources that don't even mention our argument at all, which don't prove anything, but you haven't provided any reliable sources that support your side.
The game's have many things in common. They're both mascot-based, cartoon/arcade-based racing games where the player moves a character through courses, while using items, in order to place first in a race. No one is saying they're exact replicas, or exact clones. They just share a similar concept/genre, and the comparison is helpful to the reader to understand the general concept of the game.
All of your arguments and conclusions fall under original research, which is not acceptable on Wikipedia.
When there are arguments, we do discussions like this, and we only make change if there is WP:CONSENSUS to change that change. There is no consensus that supports your change, and in times of "no consensus", no change is made.
Unless any new argument is presented, the arguments done. No change is warranted. Sergecross73 msg me  03:02, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
To be fair, those "reliable sources" are both blog-type reviews from independent authors. Just because they're posted on reputable sites like IGN and Game Informer doesn't make them any less personal opinions of the author who wrote them. As far as the resemblance between Sonic R and Mario Kart are concerned, the only real resemblance they have is that they're racing games starring mascots - but that's where the resemblance ends, really. As previously stated, all characters but one race on foot, not in karts - making the description "kart racer" a misnomer. If anything, Sonic R is more of a "Platformer/Racer" hybrid, as the courses are more "free-roaming areas" rather then proper tracks, each character has different skills, and they can jump, glide and fly to reach different areas in the course. Furthermore, a degree of exploration is involved to find all of the Chaos Emeralds hidden on the tracks, in order to unlock the final playable character. That said, Sonic R can hardly be considered a proper racing game in the same vein as Mario Kart, which offers racing on proper tracks rather then a free-roaming area, in karts with balanced characters and everyone having the same abilities around the board. --H Hog (talk) 01:29, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Again, just using reliable sources to back the assertion that it's similar to a very mainstream series, as a reference point to understanding the game's genre in a rather vague sense, not calling it an exact clone or replica or anything. Sergecross73 msg me  04:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
I suppose so, if you take the genre "mascot racer" at face value in the purest sense of the word, Sonic R is indeed a game where mascot characters race to an eventual finish. Though really, that's where similarities to Mario Kart end; to say that Sonic R is similar to Mario Kart is much like saying Golf is similar to Pool, seeing as in both games the player uses a stick to aim a ball into a hole. But for the sake of the article, I suppose the comparison can be made. Although anyone getting Sonic R hoping to obtain something at all in a similar vein to Mario Kart will find themselves gravely disappointed.  (Though it can be argued that anyone who buys the game at all will find themselves gravely disappointed, so yeah.) --H Hog (talk) 12:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah so that means all racing games are all the same soooo that means Mario Kart mm-mm 4 or 5 (Mario Kart: Super Circuit Mario Kart: Double Dash) is like Sonic R. Sonic the Editer1125 (talk) 03:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
1 Sonic R goes on foot & Mario Kart goes on karts.
2 Sonic R you can change the weather Mario Kart you cant.
3 Sonic R does not use weapons Mario Kart does.
4 the gameplay is difference.
5 Sonic R has a replay Mario Kart doesnt.
6 Sonic R you collection rings Mario Kart you dont collection coins.
7 Sonic R characters are 3D models Mario Kart characters is not.
8 Sonic R you can change the time of the day Mario you cant.
9 And i have -> sources http://www.gamefaqs.com/saturn/198698-sonic-r/reviews/review-53958 said this ain't no Mario Kart 64.
http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/sonic-r they didnt say anything about Mario Kart so they dont think its like Mario Kart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2m1alNFQ8s he didnt say anything about Mario Kart so he doesnt think its like Mario Kart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpAhAa61JQ he didnt say anything about Mario Kart so he doesnt think its like Mario Kart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW6hQkAXdbE he didnt say anything about Mario Kart so he doesnt think its like Mario Kart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJDLWnORjh8 he didnt say anything about Mario Kart so he doesnt think its like Mario Kart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi0VkCMQpl0 they didnt say anything about Mario Kart so they dont think its like Mario Kart.
if they are really similar they would have said something. Speedy X 99 (talk) 03:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:YOUTUBE is not a reliable source.
Gamefaqs is not a reliable source. (See WP:VG/RS
Most of 1-8 is already explained in the article, with better wording and sources.
The fact a reviewer didn't mention something does NOT prove your point. It could mean any number of things. Perhaps they thought it was similar but decided not to put that in their review. Maybe they never played Mario Kart. There's an infinite number of possibilities. It absolutely doesn't prove your point though.
As I said before, you're better off learning how Wikipedia works rather than wasting your time digging up unusable or redundant stuff like this. Sergecross73 msg me  03:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


### Third and fourth sources
Here's another one that calls it similar to Mario Kart - http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/sonic-gems-collection/641969p2.html -- Sergecross73 msg me  17:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
And here's another - http://www.gamesradar.com/sonic-gems-collection-review/ Sergecross73 msg me  19:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Funny that people say that it's similar to Mario Kart but has no reasons ha ha make's me laugh or any Sonic game for that matter. They only say it's similar. Sonic the Editer1125 (talk) 06:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

We don't need them to explain why, this isn't a compare/contrast essay on the two games. The reliable sources I keep listing use Mario Kart as a reference point for the premise of the game, which is the exact same thing I'm doing in the article. That's it. Sergecross73 msg me  14:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Blimey, 4 consecutive sources in a row in order to justify the mention of a simple comparison? That's gotta be a record of some sorts. In normal situations just the one would probably suffice, but when people get zealous about getting their point across...  *shrug*  --H Hog (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
It's a pretty standard practice for information that's been challenged or part of prolonged discussions. I'm more surprised we're still talking about it almost a year later now... Sergecross73 msg me  17:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

According to the page right now, Masamitsu Shiino and Richard Lloyd were the directors for the game. This is presumably based off the MobyGames page for this game. However, this is based off the MobyGames page for the PC version here. Looking at that, it seems more likely that they were responsible for directing the PC port of the game more so than for directing the game itself. Going by the Genesis credits for the game, it seems more likely that Takashi Iizuka was the actual director of the game.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.200.53.1 (talk) 23:27, 8 April 2015 (UTC) 

This is the Sonic Pinball Party-version of "Super Sonic Racing": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J74VeBurE8Q
And the DS version of Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing also has a version of "Super Sonic Racing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOBaCZH_DHE
So, yeah. Those should be the citations, I guess?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.150.107.181 (talk) 20:05, 20 November 2015 (UTC) 

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It is extremely poorly written, and the sourcing is more than wanting. Am I also the only one to detect a strongly right-wing POV? Is anyone prepared to work with me to bring the section up to scratch? --BowlAndSpoon (talk) 12:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Huh? It seems a bit more positively slanted - I didn't think the game was that well received, but I don't feel like it needs a huge overhaul. You'll have to be more specific in your concerns... Sergecross73 msg me 13:58, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Serge, the comment above is a bit of an inside joke, intended solely in jest.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:44, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh...Um, what am I missing here...? Sergecross73 msg me 20:55, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Mostly that BowlAndSpoon and I are on different sides of certain political issues, and he just learned about my past work on this article about a silly old game. (To be clear, Sonic R's mixed reception spans the partisan divide.)TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:32, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Ah gotcha. Yeah, I did think "right wing POV" was a strange thing to be said of a 90s Sonic game... Sergecross73 msg me 23:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sonic R/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 21:14, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm actually sad. I was thinking of bringing this to GA lately! JAGUAR  21:14, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


### Initial comments
The first three paragraphs of the lead begin with "Sonic R". You could replace one of them with The game... or something
The lead doesn't mention the release dates
I would recommend merging the two latter paragraphs of the lead into one, to create a better flow
I agree, but they're nothing to do with each other. In my GAN of Black & White (video game) I had to split 2 paragraphs into 4 just to keep them separate! It was a major nitpick there (For reasons I don't understand. Heck, apparently, ports and versions aren't the same thing...).Adam9007 (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
"Sonic 3D Blast is a port of the Genesis title" - Mega Drive
No, Jaguar, as long as the main article is Sega Genesis, which should just stick to that.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
It's commonplace for both "Mega Drive" and "Genesis" to be used in articles. Some articles use both, and some use one or the other. I thought that since this is not a US-made game it would be better off using the former anyway. JAGUAR  21:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a British-Japanese game. In both countries, it's called Mega Drive. Adam9007 (talk) 21:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
It's not common to alternate between console names in GAs or FAs, as that is needlessly confusing. (Lower-quality exceptions are mere Wikipedia:Other stuff exists.) Mega Drive is less than ideal per WP:NOPIPE. Moreover, switching out "Genesis" for "Mega Drive" is not the sort of grammatical correction that can be justified by reference to the fact that this article is written in British English. Finally, your point about Japanese-developed games is absurd—this isn't the Japanese Wiki, and we would have to make changes to potentially hundreds of articles if your reasoning is accepted.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:49, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
It's not something I'd worry about too much. Has there been an actual consensus to replace all uses of "Mega Drive" into Genesis? It's just that your first comment sounded like you wanted to keep the Genesis name per the article's namesake. Anyway, I don't think this is a big deal, either way I don't mind. JAGUAR  22:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I also support the use of "Genesis", for the same reasons TheTimesAreAChanging stated above. Genesis is the article name and its most common usage, so its less confusing that way. Sergecross73 msg me 12:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree, it should be fine to leave it that way. Not much of a big deal anyway! JAGUAR  20:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
""Item Panels" bestow a random advantage" - repetition of bestow
"Sonic R features ten playable racers; four characters are initially available while the other six are secret characters that become available when the player completes certain in-game objectives. Each character has individual attributes and abilities" - this sounds like it should belong in the gameplay section, since it talks about the other six characters needing to be unlocked etc
Unlink Sonic and Knuckles in the Characters section, since they've been previously linked in gameplay
"The last initially available character Amy Rose operates a car" - would sound better as Amy Rose, the last initially available character, operates a car
"(known in Japan as Eggman Robo)[15][16]," - citations after comma
Development section is spotless
The first sentence of Reception is unsourced. It also neglects to mention GameRankings' score
I'm not sure it needs to be; it's a summary of the section (which is sourced). How would you suggest to put GameRankings' scores there? I thought actual scores were for the infobox only? Adam9007 (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
For GameRankings, I would just say something like The game received an aggregate score of xx% from GameRankings, based on x reviews. JAGUAR  20:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Done. Hope it's okay. Adam9007 (talk) 01:49, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
"while Kelly of Electronic Gaming Monthly" - can you not get their first name? Also, the reference itself doesn't mention the author's name but is attributed to "EGM staff"
I don't have access to that source. I'll see if I can hunt down an archive of it like I did with some of the other magazine articles, but there are no guarantees. Adam9007 (talk) 21:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I wrote the "Reception" section. Here's a link to the EGM review. As you can see, they only use first names.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
"In a similar vein, Next Generation described Sonic R and N64 contemporary" - Nintendo 64
" Later Sonic racing games would include Sonic Riders sequels Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity and Sonic Free Riders, and kart racing games Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing and Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed." - unsourced
Does it really need to be? They're basic facts. Should I just source their existence? Adam9007 (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I had to reference something similar in Nights into Dreams.... The GA criteria requires every claim or at least every paragraph to have a source, but I think that this is too basic to mention, so I'll overlook it ;-D JAGUAR  20:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Where is this similar information? I'm not seeing it... Adam9007 (talk) 01:49, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
No dab links
Ref 4 is dead, and needs a better title. Also, the author is 'The Matt'?
This article is looking good, and the references all check out. Can't believe that I have 30+ Saturn games yet I don't own this. On hold.  JAGUAR  21:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

@Jaguar: I don't own the Saturn version of this either (I have the PC version), but I do own the Saturn Official Guide book, which I used as a source for this article. I noticed some repetition of information which I've (hopefully) fixed (characters' abilities were mentioned twice), and I've moved the Characters section into the gameplay section as it's about gameplay, not the plot. Do you (or anyone else?) know the ISSN of the Japanese Sega Saturn Magazine? I just can't find it, although there's another Japanese magazine I also can't find it for. I'm beginning to wonder if Japanese magazines even have ISSNs... Also, was this sentence in the lead okay? It wasn't referring to the gameplay, but to the fact it's a racing game. Adam9007 (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
In regards to that dif, I mean, you could make a statement to the capacity that it was the first of many 3D racers for Sonic, or something like that, but I don't think you can say they were an inspiration, as that seems to insinuate some sort of connection conceptually or with motivation, and I don't believe that's particularly true. (They didn't design the future games to play similarly, or reach a similar level of success commercially or critically or anything.) Sergecross73 msg me 12:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: How's the lead now? Adam9007 (talk) 01:49, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
It looks like consensus is to use "Genesis" based on comments above, but otherwise it looks good now. Sergecross73 msg me 14:47, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
I've changed it back to Genesis. With all of the issues addressed, this article now meets the criteria.  JAGUAR  15:08, 27 August 2016 (UTC)