# Talk:TransGeneration

At least as best I can tell, "Raci" is a misspelling, or deliberate change, of some kind by the show's producers. She has used the name Raycee to sign her posts on IMDB [1], it's the name she uses on MySpace [2], and her webpage on Angelfire [3]. Considering it's the name she personally uses, I believe it's the appropriate one to use here. -- ZoeF 03:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I never saw it spelled "Raycee" anywhere. It's spelled "Raci" in the documentary film that I watched, on the cast list of IMDB[4], on the Sundance Channel webpage [5], on the LOGO webpage [6], and various other sites. If it is a deliberate change by the producers, it should be respected, as the article is about the product, not a personal page about one of the actors. LilianPhoebs 21:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
No one is arguing at all that Transgeneration uses the name Raci. That's not the point here, the fact is that SHE, Raycee herself, spells her name Raycee. This is not supposed to be a fictionalized drama, this is a documentary film. She isn't a character, she's a person whose real life was filmed. Changing her name to reflect a misspelling, deliberate or not, is ridiculous. Again, this is a documentary, she's not a fictionalized character, she personally spells her name Raycee as you can see in the links I provided. I do not believe there is a good reason to not use her real name here. By saying there is, you're claiming that a misspelling takes precedence over her own name. -- ZoeF 01:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
This is a article about the documentary. It's not our job to change the documentary to reflect out personal feelings. Perhaps you should talk to Raycee herself, to ask if she wanted to be referred to as "Raci" in the film, since you seem to connect with her personally instead of with the film as a whole. I think the change is most likely deliberate, and therefore does not constitute a misspelling. Perhaps Raycee herself wanted it that way, to protect her identity. If you feel so strongly about this, you can just add a line in the paragraph about her, but to change the spelling of her name in the film would be a misrepresentation of the documentary. I'm simply trying to make the article unbiased. Lastly, I'm not arguing with you. Calm yourself and realize that this is simply a discussion. LilianPhoebs 18:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Firstly, I am calm. Slightly frustrated? Perhaps, but I am calm. So I'll repeat myself, no one is saying that she wasn't called Raci in Transgeneration. I won't debate that point currently, and I have no intention of doing so in the future. Secondly, I found it more than a bit patronizing  to insinuate that I'm after this change because of any personal connection with Raycee, that isn't the case at all. I'm actually a much bigger fan of Gabbie and Lucas, if you're wondering. I care about this for one reason really, I like Wikipedia being accurate. Misstating Raycee's name is choosing inaccuracy over accuracy, that's my entire standpoint, really.
I believe her actual chosen name should take precedence over what appears to be a simple misspelling. If I was personally misidentified as Zoey somewhere instead of Zoe, I'd want that fixed. I would be surprised if she didn't feel the same way. You can make a claim of perhaps protecting her identity, but she's since appeared in numerous areas talking about the show and using the name Raycee, so clearly it is not a top concern for her. At the very least, the starring section should identify her real name and not just the way she was credited.
As for your comment about bias, I'm not sure that I understand where you're coming from at all with that, care to clarify? -- ZoeF 05:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
GOSH dont fight...you can call me whatever you want..my registered voter name is RACI..thats whats in my legal name documents..but i specially like Raycee...i dunno why...cuz RACI become's Racist when you add cst lol...so i changed it to Raycee in informal times..but yeah..either one is nice..muah muah muah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.230.43 (talk) 23:30, 11 September 2006‎ (UTC)

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Image:Transgenerationpromophoto.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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This is on Sundance? Lede should clearly state the American cable channel or something to indicate where and when it was first aired as well as if it is still in rotation or available on DVD etc. Benjiboi 00:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done —Ringbang (talk) 16:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Here is the policy on gender pronouns. Benjiboi 01:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I have modified the pronouns in the article to reflect these changes. I'm stunned that an article on the topic of transitioning would reflect the subjects' biological sex rather than gender identity.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.62.203.234 (talk) 19:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Episode synopsis (eight total) and Impact (Critical response, Awards and nominations, Awards won (if any)). Benjiboi 02:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done —Ringbang (talk) 01:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

8 page interview; 2 other interviews linked on same page.  -- Banjeboi 15:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this and other Gay.com coverage of the show is no longer accessible, and I haven't found a working web archive. If anyone finds an archive or mirror, please post it. —Ringbang (talk) 01:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

can you guys do a spanish page of every lgbt thing thank you lalala...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.144.189.71 (talk) 02:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC) 

On lines 4-5 this article states that “All four are living on campus at four different colleges.”, just before the second citation of "What is "TransGeneration"?". Gay.com. 10 June 2007, page 13. 
This is not correct. 
In the series Raci lives off campus with, I believe, her aunt. Because the series deals specifically with the difficulties she faces surrounding the issue of obtaining on-campus (gender/sex segregated) residency, I feel that this should be corrected. Hopefully someone, with better writing and citation skills than I, will see fit to correct this.
Yes I realize that this probably is not the best forum to make this note, but I’m not familiar with the process and am not sure what else to do.
-Ennuye  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.184.236.93 (talk) 17:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC) 

 Fixed. Also: This page is the place for such feedback! —Ringbang (talk) 01:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I never saw this show.  None of me mates ever seen this show.  Methinks it is a Yes Men hoax.  I shall nominate it for deletion.  What do you dudes say?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.138.33 (talk) 20:36, 30 April 2011 (UTC) 

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It's doubtful that they're still students, but since the possibility that they still could be exists (I was a student at the time, and knew Raci personally... and only recently got an associate degree -_-), I'm not sure if the verb tenses should be changed.
Alyssa3467 (talk) 01:32, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

The Cast section uses the historical present to describe the participants as they appear in the documentary. —Ringbang (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:TransGeneration/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Sagecandor (talk · contribs) 00:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll look this one over and review it later. Sagecandor (talk) 00:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


### Good article nomination on hold
This article's Good Article nomination has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of June 13, 2017, compares against the  six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Lede is a bit short, and article is a bit large. Article size is fine, just saying per WP:LEAD, lede should be expanded to a bit more, to function as a good summary of the entire article's contents, not just an introduction. You gotta work on improving the flow and the format with regards to lots of short paragraphs. These should be expanded, or just merged together to have larger paragraphs along relevant themes within each section.
 Done —Ringbang (talk) 21:31, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
2. Verifiable?: Article is well cited, info that is not cited is plot info per WP:PLOTSUMMARY and the wording is given in a matter of fact manner.
3. Broad in coverage?: Article covers major aspects including Background, Production, Overview, The students, Episodes, TransGeneration Reunion, Marketing, Broadcasts, releases, and screenings, Reception, Before the television premiere, After the television premiere, Awards and nominations, and Legacy. Would really like to see more Production info, that section could be expanded more.
4. Neutral point of view?: Wording is given in a matter of fact manner. Article is presented in a neutral tone. Appears to be NPOV presentation.
5. Stable? Nice good talk page interactions. No major edit warring in edit history.
6. Images?: File:TransGeneration logo (DVD version).png is good. File:Transgenerationpromophoto.jpg is oddly formatted, license should be in its own section at bottom, rationale should be in Summary section, numbered list can go inside the rationale box under "purpose of use.
 Fixed —Ringbang (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. Within 7 days, the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed by then, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. Sagecandor (talk) 22:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Great, thanks for your feedback, Sagecandor. My progress updates appear under the respective items above. —Ringbang (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Cool keep me posted. Sagecandor (talk) 21:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Hey, Sagecandor, thanks for your patience. After some additions and revisions to the main text, I think the last item on my checklist is expanding the lede. —Ringbang (talk) 04:33, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I see you've still got some work to do there. Sagecandor (talk) 04:36, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay, ready for round two. See what you think. —Ringbang (talk) 21:31, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


#### Lots of short paragraphs
Lots of short paragraphs. Looks bad. Try to expand or merge some together. WP:LEAD says 4 paragraphs max, you have 5 currently. Sagecandor (talk) 01:10, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed. Copyedited to four paragraphs. —Ringbang (talk) 03:10, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 Not done. Still lots of short paragraphs. Many of them are only one sentence long. Sagecandor (talk) 03:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
@Sagecandor: Ah, I understood your message to refer to the lede specifically.  Done —Ringbang (talk) 04:21, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
@Sagecandor: If you don't have time to finish the review, that's okay; but if that's the case, could you please let me know so that I can relist the article? —Ringbang (talk) 18:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
@Ringbang:Read it over again, will finish it up soon. Sagecandor (talk) 20:01, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


#### Unsourced info in Production section
Filming began soon after the series was cast. The film crew recorded the students on campus, at home, with their friends and families, at medical appointments, and on outings to transgender-related events. Some footage was recorded by the students themselves. In February 2005, the administration at Smith College prohibited the film crew from continuing to film on campus. Lucas Cheadle. the student whom the crew had been recording, asked the dean of students to reconsider, but his appeal was denied. Cheadle said he felt that, despite his academic success, the administration was ashamed of him. -- Uncited.
Principal photography finished in 2005 at the end of spring term. Some pick-up shots recorded the following summer became part of an epilogue in the final episode. -- Uncited
Normally, this would be a quick-fail. 
Why is this uncited? Sagecandor (talk) 01:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed. They didn't have citations since they're taken from the series itself, but I added inline refs to the relevant episodes. —Ringbang (talk) 03:10, 7 July 2017 (UTC)


#### Promoted
Promoted. Thank you to Ringbang for the helpful responses on this page. Sagecandor (talk) 18:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

​ Thanks! —Ringbang (talk) 19:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome! Sagecandor (talk) 19:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)