# Talk:Richard Gerald Jordan

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Reviewer: Afddiary (talk · contribs) 15:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey there! I have started a Good Article review of this page so I can help with the backlog and "pay it forward," so to speak, since I just had one of my own articles awarded GA status. Although I have created and heavily participated in editing one GA so far, this is my very first GA review, so please be patient with me as I work through learning the expectations! Afddiary (talk) 15:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello Afddiary -
Thank you so much for your work on this review. I'm replying down here because I wasn't sure if you were okay with me responding to your points within the table. I appreciate your insights. I implemented your suggestions with a few exceptions. Please don't worry if the reviewing slows down. I am making a stressful job transition this week and next week, so I may not be very timely myself.  
My personal preference is to avoid short sections most of the time, and I haven't found enough information on each trial to warrant much expansion, but I will keep looking. I'm still looking for a few other things, like the trial testimony of Jordan's relatives and the prison guard. I will see if I can find the names of the lawsuits, but I think it may come down to primary sources. Good catch on the link to bifurcation; I added it, just a little earlier in the article than suggested. I changed "state supreme court" to U.S. Supreme Court because I originally goofed up; the source clarifies that the reversal stemmed from a SCOTUS ruling, not from the state.
I've clipped a few articles here and there, and I can do it for this entry if necessary. I view it as a nice-to-do - but something that is beyond the scope of GA. Unless I am misreading, WP:FNNR (the layout style guideline referred to in criterion 2a) doesn't require convenience links. Even if the link goes completely dead, the citation should be complete enough for a reader to locate the source (either a physical copy or a link to another archiving service). 
I really dislike submitting a GAN without images (or publishing any article without them, to be honest). The issue is that I keep running into copyright concerns with this subject. The MDOC information page doesn't clarify the copyright status of the mugshot, and it doesn't specify which agency took the photo. Some state DOC mugshots will fall under WP:Public domain because the images are created by a government agency, but this depends on the jurisdiction (and whether the DOC even took the photo). The newspaper image of Jordan is presumed to be copyrighted as well. Since Edwina Marter isn't a living person, we could ordinarily claim fair use on her image, but AP Newswire photos (or photos from other press agencies) generally violate the respect for commercial opportunities fair use criterion (see WP:NFCI #8). Heck, I'm tempted to use that image at Burl Cain (which is a free image), but it's not a great pic and Cain isn't that closely connected to Jordan.
Thanks for your work so far. It's no problem at all to go back and update various sections. I do that a lot as a reviewer. (I usually don't use GATable until the end of the review because I find that the updating can get too messy, but it's up to your personal preference as a reviewer.) I will try to watch out for new feedback. Feel free to ping me, especially if I don't seem to be responding. Larry Hockett (Talk) 23:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Afddiary - I forgot to ping you recently when I finished addressing the above feedback. I have expanded the article a bit, giving each of Jordan's death sentences its own section. As I suspected, the reliable sources don't report the names of the legal cases as far as I can tell. I hate that we still don't have an image in the article, but I can't find one with an acceptable copyright status. I have a few GAs without images, and they usually involve living people in prison like this one or living people who spent much of their lives in prison like this one. Thanks for your work! Let me know what else I need to address. Larry Hockett (Talk) 12:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey! I apologize for taking so long to finish everything; I've had a lot of things come up in my personal life lately that have limited the amount of time I've been able to spend on Wikipedia. I'll finish reviewing all of the changes made to the article and accordingly update the criteria table ASAP. I apologize again! Afddiary (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


### Status query
Afddiary, Larry Hockett, where does this review stand? It's been over a month since the most recent post to this page, and the review was originally opened over three and a half months ago. Afddiary, if you don't have time, perhaps we could request a reviewer to finish up via second opinion. It looks like a second opinion is needed anyway regarding the image criteria, so perhaps whoever it is could finish the copyvio checks as well. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. I know we don't like to leave reviews open for extended periods of time. I am ready to respond to any remaining issues, but there is no particular sense of urgency on my end, so whether Afddiary decides to finish this up or to toss it back for a second opinion, there are no hard feelings either way. I appreciate the feedback so far! Larry Hockett (Talk) 15:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I apologize for taking so long to finish this review. I have never done a GA review before, and I wouldn't say I'm in a great place right now (in terms of time and focus) to complete the copyvio component of the review. I am so sorry. Afddiary (talk) 08:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
No worries! I just asked for another reviewer per the instructions at WP:GAN/I#N4a. Larry Hockett (Talk) 14:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Richard Gerald Jordan/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: OliveYouBean (talk · contribs) 09:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I've had a quick read of the article and read through the previous GA review. Seems like there shouldn't be any issues since the last review was almost complete. I'll still give all the criteria a look to make sure it's all good, but hopefully that doesn't take long and I can just focus on seeing if there's any copyvio issues. OliveYouBean (talk) 09:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

On a sort of unrelated note, I just want to say I appreciate the amount of work that's gone into this article. It was an interesting read and the writing is really good. OliveYouBean (talk) 10:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your review! I think I have incorporated the points you mentioned above. Good observation on the use of "Jordan said that he was unemployed and desperate for money", as you're right, those aren't contentious points anyway. I archived the source you mentioned; for some reason IABot (the tool I use for archiving) didn't want to archive that one, so hopefully I did a reasonable job by hand.
On the last point, I tried to tighten up the passages near the end. I assumed that the reader would wonder why Jordan hasn't been executed yet, as his fourth death sentence was handed down nearly 25 years ago, so I thought it was relevant to explain why Mississippi seems to be so far "behind" on its executions (for example, going almost ten years without any executions due to the legal challenges to the protocol). I have tried to cut down on the wordiness and establish better links to Jordan in these explanations. Let me know if you have additional suggestions there. As you point out, a wikilink -- maybe to the ethics of lethal injection or to pharmaceutical companies and lethal injection -- could be helpful for the reader who wants to know more about this, but these links don't exist yet. We do have Participation of medical professionals in American executions, but that's not the issue delaying executions in Mississippi. (In the American South where executions remain legal, usually there are no significant problems finding physicians who will participate. The issue is that the drug companies who make the medications used in executions - companies largely based in Europe, where there is strong anti-death penalty sentiment - don't want to be associated with the death penalty and don't want to sell their products to entities involved in the death penalty.) If I end up writing one of those red-linked articles, I'll link to it in the Jordan article.
Thanks again for your help! I'll be happy to address any additional concerns. Larry Hockett (Talk) 17:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for all of your edits! I don't have any additional concerns, and I think all the changes you've made are good. (Sidenote: I am kind of surprised that there aren't more articles talking about the current problems with lethal injections, I thought there would be more based on what little I know about that topic)
The copyvio checks all came back clear, so I'm happy to say that there's no issues left that would prevent this from passing. Great work, this was a really good read. :) OliveYouBean (talk) 06:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)