# Talk:The Time of Angels

This is probably not worth noting (unless it is), but the religious radio show Hour of Slack sampled the bit where the Doctor talks to "Bob" since the figurehead of the religion Church of the SubGenius is also called "Bob". Source: The Men Who Stare at the Vulcan Jedi Mentat's Lawn Mower Vs. the Space Goats (Live 2010-4-25) @ 1:35-2:02. Has Steven Moffat mentioned whether this (the fact that "Bob" is a sacred name because of Church of the SubGenius) was coincidental or intentional?--DrWho42 (talk) 05:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd say that that probably counts as original research. Thoughts? ╟─TreasuryTag►condominium─╢ 10:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll concur until this subject is broached in an interview or something, which I doubt will ever happen....--DrWho42 (talk) 01:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
However, it's not original research to report that a notable radio programme such as Hour of Slack has suggested a connection exists. 68.146.80.110 (talk) 16:37, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
But Moffat has not confirmed this was intentional. Glimmer721 talk 17:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Given deletion discussion about the image that was here, I added a new one.  Still not great though...  Anyone got anything better?Hobit (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Personally I think the original image was better, at least it depicted an important moment in the episode...this is just an Angel stood around. magnius (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Why not an image of a Weeping Angel actually weeping. That is to say, one covering its eyes (so that it can not see another Angel, and avoid the two being locked forever in stone form[1]). HairyWombat (talk) 23:21, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
This article is not about the Weeping Angels. This is about "The Time of Angels", so an image of a critical plot point that otherwise cannot easily be described in words is the only allowable thing.  The Angel coming out of the screen is a unique concept, but there's no good single image shots of it that aren't grainy or easily obvious what's going on - it's the movement of everything that is important. Everything else can be easily described in words, and where there may be something of interest, there's no single good shoot (for example, I thought there was a shot that shows the maze from afar, the gravity globe near the top, and the Byzantine ruins atop that, but no, there's no such shot.  Thus, I think it's better to have no image than force one.  --MASEM (t) 04:02, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
The new image is worse than the old one, at least the old one was a grab from the episode itself, the new one is just a poor photograph taken by a fan.  Better to have no image than this one.  Is it so hard to agree on a scene to grab from the episode itself like all the other episode articles do? magnius (talk) 17:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it would be nice to have a good-quality photograph, and nice to have a scene from the episode, but the non-free content criteria are absolute and very clear. The artistic quality doesn't matter; if a free alternative exists (like the one I just uploaded) then it must be used in place of any fair-use image. ╟─TreasuryTag►You may go away now.─╢ 17:47, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Technically it is impossible (for 75 years, I believe, for UK works) for an image of the actual episode to be free. The free Angel image is a valid replacement for a screenshot of the Angel from any of the shows its been in when discussing specifically the Angels.  But it is not an equivalent replacement for describing the episode. It's still useful to include in this article to show the anatagonists for the show, but not as a  replacement for the infobox picture.  That said, as above, I don't think there is a good replacement image here.  Every "set piece" can reasonably be described in text and doesn't require anything image needed. --MASEM (t) 18:28, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I've genuinely not got a clue what that means... ╟─TreasuryTag►secretariat─╢ 13:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be here? This is a TV episode, not a single. Even if there was a related single release, there's no mention of it in the article, and the reference is broken. I didn't want to remove it just in case. –anemoneprojectors– 12:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No idea how that got there. I just removed it.  — Edokter (talk) —  12:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
How bizarre. –anemoneprojectors– 13:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Just some undetected vandalism or test edit, added here.  — Edokter (talk) —  13:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
If I hadn't removed this from my watchlist, I might have spotted it sooner :-) –anemoneprojectors– 14:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm from the UK and Stephen Moffat is almost exactly the same age as me.  I saw The Time of Angels for the first time this evening and was immediately struck by the 'stone statues that only move when you're not looking at them' theme.  I was scared stiff as a kid by the British tv series Escape Into Night  [2] [3] (based on the book Marianne Dreams by Catherine Storr) which had standing stones which came closer and closer to a house and its trapped inhabitants, but you never saw them move.  They only came closer when you looked away. This tv series affected me so much as a kid that I still think about it, 40 years on - those creepy one eyed monoliths and their inexplicable ability to get closer and closer each time you looked away.  Did it have an effect on Moffat too?  Was it an inspiration for this episode?  The similarities seem just too great to be coincidental - stones/stone figures that only move when you're not looking at them.  I'm sure he must have been influenced by it. Has he mentioned it anywhere? 86.133.211.19 (talk) 21:43, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll look around--note that it wouldn't just be an inspiration for this episode, but rather the Weeping Angels in general. So it would probably be compared to "Blink" instead, which was their first appearence. Glimmer721 talk 22:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
The sound effects in the tv series were terrifying too - hissing and whispering stones.   The spookiest and most terrifying thing I'd ever seen - and this was at the time that Dr Who used to regularly send me behind the sofa.  It wasn't until I saw Eraserhead that I was similarly affected by the sound design of a programme or film. I remember Escape Into Night being the talk of the school playground that spring/summer. 86.133.211.19 (talk) 09:18, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Another similarity - in Escape Into Night the stones take over the radio in the house and it can't be turned off and so they are broadcasting in the house all the time. There's a scene in one of the Angels episodes where an angel is on a video which Amy can't turn off. 86.134.91.155 (talk) 07:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Also might the idea of 'things only moving when you're not looking at them' be influenced by the creepy M. R. James story "The Mezzotint"? (I'm going to copy all this over the the Weeping Angels talk page because I think it is of interest for there).217.42.143.118 (talk) 16:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
It could be. But then it's original research for a wikipedia editor to say it, discuss it or write it into the article. DonQuixote (talk) 18:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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Removed this portion of a revision dating from July 2017 (with an additional word added in 2019), which in turn was amended from an equally false synopsis portion which mentioned using essences to regenerate.

The Weeping Angels tell their prey they will use their life energy to regenerate.
While the long dormant Angels do regenerate from a power source, it is not the human group. This portion seems to be a double misreading. One of the part where an Angel tells the Doctor at 35 minutes that they "stripped [Bob's] cerebral cortex and reanimated a version of [his] consciousness to communicate with you" and one where at 38 minutes, after the clerics' torches and the gravity globe start to flicker, the Doctor says "they're draining the power from the cells" and the Angel tells him "your power will not last much longer". TardisTybort (talk) 23:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)