# Talk:South Park: The Fractured but Whole

Should it not be noted that Stick of Truth will come with this version on pre-ordered games? [1] Govvy (talk) 22:19, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I noticed a few people messing about with the release date. On the PSN website they have it down as 31st March 2017. [2] Govvy (talk) 12:24, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't think this game is actually running on the Snowdrop engine. The only information related to this seems to be from a reveal trailer spoofing The Division, so I believe this was part of the joke. The game likely runs on an engine similar to its predecessor.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.112.4 (talk) 00:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC) 

The source cited says: "For Fractured, Ubisoft adapted its Snowdrop engine (which was used to build The Division) [...]". In another source, the producer Jason Schroeder says: "Then we started using Snowdrop [...]". I think the Snowdrop engine is valid here. Besides, note that games that run on an engine do not define the engine (see Unity games variations, from Umbrella Corps to 140). Lordtobi (✉) 13:02, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:South Park: The Fractured but Whole/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: TheJoebro64 (talk · contribs) 16:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I've watched the TV show but never played the game. Looks like a very interesting article. JOEBRO64 16:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Lead
Some elements of the game received mixed reviews; reviewers said the story was a hilarious improvement although the plot was less effective and overloaded with toilet humor. This is a bit clunky. For one thing, "story" and "plot" can mean the same thing, and only one thing that received mixed reception is shown. Proposed change: Reviewers were divided over the story; some critics called it a humorous improvement, while others said it was less effective and overloaded with toilet humor.
Overall, the lead is well-written and summarizes the article pretty well.
Gameplay
the fictional Colorado town of South Park—I'd link to Colorado
such as exploding chemical barrels, and red Lego—change to and lava (red Lego bricks). and remove the part in parenthesis in Toolshed's sandblaster can clear paths that are blocked by lava (red Lego bricks)
or take self-portraits with town residents to increase their followers on the player-character's Instagram-like social media feed, Coonstagram. This could be simplified; try or take self-portraits with town residents to increase their followers on Coonstagram, an Instagram-like social media feed.
Synopsis
Only comment I have is my concern about the image, in the files section below.
Development
or the possibility of making a film, including a new South Park movie. Reading the source, Trey Parker doesn't specify if the film is related to South Park—he just says "a movie". I'd strike the last part of the sentence.
I think it'd be worth mentioning that some of the superheroes originated from the 2009 South Park episode "The Coon". I'd add this to the writing sub-section.
Release
Amazon isn't linked when it's mentioned.
I'd spell out Penny Arcade Expo, as some people might not be familiar with it.
See my comments about the images below.
Reception
 South Park: The Fractured but Whole received positive reviews from critics.[32] Aggregating review website Metacritic provides a score of 81 out of 100 from 16 critics for the Microsoft Windows version,[77] 80 out of 100 from 68 critics for the PlayStation 4 version,[78] and 84 out of 100 from 30 critics for the Xbox One version.[79] You don't need to list the Metacritic scores in prose—the qualitative summary ("generally favorable reviews") is more understandable and helpful on its own (WP:VGG#Reception).
The publications (IGN, GamesRadar, etc) should be italicized, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles#Major_works.
Images/files
File:South Park The Fractured but Whole cover art.jpg—license, (boilerplate) rational seems okay to me.
File:South-Park-TFBW-Gameplay.jpg—usage and rational seem fine to me.
File:South Park The Fractured But Whole OST (2017) - Main Menu.ogg—ditto.
File:SouthParkTFBWMitch.jpg—I'm honestly not sure of the value this as it doesn't appear to add much to the overall article. Maybe, if it was used in conjunction with a quote or section on the superhero tone, but right now, it seems to be there more for decorative purposes than informational ones. I don't think you'd lose anything if you removed it, anyway—the same exact character is shown on the cover art.
File:The Fractured But Whole von South Park (36024781343).jpg and File:Southpark- The Fractured but Whole (28516928003).jpg—these two images might (I'm not saying they necessarily do) contain copyright violations as the subject of them is non-free media.
References
No issues here; all references appear reliable and archived.
JOEBRO64 01:55, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Darkwarriorblake: Sorry I'm being a little slow on this; I've been a bit busy. I'll finish the review by Friday. JOEBRO64 22:58, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
@Darkwarriorblake: Overall, this article is in fantastic shape, only a few issues. I'm placing this review on hold for now. Great work! (P.S.: Don't feel obligated, but I do have an FAC open that could use some comments) JOEBRO64 00:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks JoeBro, will get to this tonight after work. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 10:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I've implemented most of your requests Joe. I haven't renamed Pax to Penny Arcade Expo as reading the article, PAX is it's official name now, they've abandoned the Penny Arcade Expo. IGN doesn't seem to be italicized anywhere in the IGN article, are you sure it is meant to be?
The Mitch image isn't there for Cartman, it's there to demonstrate what Mitch is, as I felt that for someone unfamiliar with the show it was hard to explain how Cartman and Mitch are doing different things in the plot. I have actually put a rationale in the template but it's being overridden by the template's default setting for some reason.
The other two images you highlight, the only thing I know is that they've been reviewed as free to use on Wikimedia so as far as I'm aware, at hte moment they are ok to use on Wikipedia. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 23:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
@Darkwarriorblake: alrighty then, thank you for clarifying those points! There are no other issues I see, so I am going to pass this. Well done! JOEBRO64 23:24, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

The credits is everything after the game story starts and the credits begins. Including the colourful credits and the normal credits, the scene in the middle is a mid-credits scene, there is a term for this. Arbitrarily deciding that the start of the credits are not credits is not a valid way to reference something. There are also no other in-line references nor any need for them, there is no aesthetic issue with the reference at the bottom of the page, and if there were, it's at the bottom of the page. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 12:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

"No other reference here is inline" How do you mean? All other references are in-line, if they are defined in the Reflist template or in the text body are not part of the issue. My issue is the lengthy "Trey Parker (writer), Matt Stone (writer), Jason Schroeder (game director) (October 17, 2017)." words-and-parantheses mix that is given its own section, and only referenced once (artificially split to two uses, though just 4 seconds apart). The {{cite video game}} tempalte is specifically useful for this, and is commonly used to denote credits mentions; hence it is a way better solution than an own-section one-liner with horrendous formatting. Lordtobi (✉) 12:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
The physical references are not in-line, they're in the reflist at the bottom of the page. I don't see a problem with brackets, or you could've just replaced the Cite AV media template with the Cite Video game template, instead of inserting a bare ref into the body text. The time apart between references doesn't matter, precision does, the aim is to make these articles the best on Wikipedia, not like the majority of half-assed articles on here. It might seem OTT now, but 30 years from now the articles I work on should hopefully be lasting because every reference is as correct as I can make it and backed up online (which is why I will only use video sources or books as a last resort). I've moved the reference for now into the reflist section with the rest of the references, it might be moved back in the future if there are any publications or video works cited that can be added to the documents section as well. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 21:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Looks good to me, though I'm not overly happy with the timestamp markup, I don't feel crucial on hastily changing it anyhow. I made a minor WP:NOTBROKEN cleanup tho. Lordtobi (✉) 21:48, 21 January 2018 (UTC)