# Talk:Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos

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I suspect sabotage in a piece of text in the main article which labels humans as terrorists using the game manual as the source, "In Warcraft III, the Night Elves, Undead and the terrorists are added as playable races.[1]"  This needs to be fixed. Dbtem (talk) 04:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)dbtem

Half of this is'nt cited, while amusing and believe able I would'nt class it as 'encyclopedic' withouit reference as it is a little extreame. 90.206.217.131 (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
perhapes add a reference to dota mod (defence of the ancients) as is the one of the most popular mods? just a suggestion   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.23.218 (talk) 00:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC) 
This section looks really, really ugly. It looks like something you'd find on a fanpage, not on Wikipedia. Can someone possibly clean this up? --Ischaldirh  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.50.14 (talk) 07:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC) 

A brother of one of the dwarvish kings. He was one of Arthas's mentors. He was searching for the legendary runeblade in Northrend before Arthas arrived. Believed to be killed by the shattering of the ice when Arthas released Frostmourne, however, recent evidence has suggested otherwise...
WTFWTFWTF WHERE?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.204.192 (talk) 10:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC) 

Wow... i wonder where... >:) 79.115.134.75 (talk) 17:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe this guy is talking about Muradin Bronzebeard.
And yes, he survived, but memories of what happened before Arthas Menethil took Frostmourne (Lich King to those who don't know). - TheLifelessOne  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelifelessone (talk • contribs) 23:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC) 

When was WarCraft III announced?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.176.189 (talk) 23:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC) 

The first picture that appears in this article is actually from a TFT game not RoC. Unless Arcane Vault is available in the latter aswell. 89.114.198.98 15:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that today. I'll try and supply a new image. Nice catch (months ago :P). FusionMix 20:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Lol, sorry about that. I want to look through the RoC campaign and see if I can find a good shot as well. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 21:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Do any of the major organizations still host ROC (not TFT) matches in competition? Basically I'm looking to see how ROC strategy has evolved, in comparison to TFT. 24.6.88.232 (talk) 06:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe so, because TFT is much faster paced and balanced compared to the original. David Fuchs (talk) 12:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
nope:D tft is much more balanced... humans are actually used :S... should someone make a comment to this effect...Jackchen123 (talk) 09:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I recommend that the Warcraft 3 article is expanded with a Warcraft 3 glossary. Also, due to tons of different forum topics about how to host in wc3, a battlenet hosting section would be highly appreciated. 

Glossary examples:
-Strategic elements

-General tactics discussion
-Different counters
-Tactics development

-Micro

-Definition of Macro in Warcraft 3
-Unit controlling
-How, where, and when to unit control

-Macro

-Definition of macro in Warcraft 3
-Macro controlling
-How, where, and when to macro control

-Expansion elements
-Heroes

-Use of spells
-Hero and unit combinations
-Combinations of heroes

-Different game setups

-General 1v1 strategy
-General 2v2 strategy
-General 3v3 strategy
-General 4v4 strategy
-General FFA strategy

-Different race setups
Bergses (talk) 13:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this all seems like gameguide material which Wikipedia is not.--Fogeltje (talk) 14:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
certainly not... wikipedia is not a strategy guide... you could host you're imformation with another wiki or guide...Jackchen123 (talk) 09:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The plot summary is way too long. So, I've added a plot tag. A summary shouldn't be seven long paragraphs in length. 76.4.142.135 (talk) 16:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to log-in again. MastaFighta (talk) 16:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
nope don't agree.. anyone else agree? i mean considering how long it takes to beat the bloody thing... Jackchen123 (talk) 07:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I happen to agree that the plot summary should be shortened immensely. A lot of it is elaborate language, and going too much into the inner workings of the plot. Nobody needs to know everything Arthas does as he goes insane. So this:
"The Orcish warchief Thrall arrives upon the shores of Kalimdor and is met by the Tauren Chieftain Cairne Bloodhoof, who informs Thrall of a nearby Oracle. Thrall heads north to seek the Oracle, clashing with a human expedition who has also arrived upon Kalimdor. Meanwhile, Grom Hellscream and the Warsong Clan have been left behind to build a permanent Orcish settlement, and in cutting down the local forests, anger the native Night Elves and their demigod, Cenarius. In order to defeat them, Grom willingly drinks the pit lord Mannoroth's blood, binding his clan and himself to the Legion's control. On Stonetalon Peak, Thrall reaches the Oracle, who is actually the mysterious Prophet. The Prophet informs Thrall and Archmage Jaina Proudmoore that Grom has succumbed to demonic control, and the two races will need to join forces to save him. With the humans' help, Thrall captures Grom and purges him of the demons' influence. Afterwards Thrall and Grom confront Mannoroth. After Mannoroth knocks Thrall aside, Grom attacks Mannoroth and slays him, releasing the Orcs from demonic control forever, but dies doing so." 

could become this:
"The Orcish Warchief Thrall is told of an Oracle, and clashes with a human expedition on the way to find it. Meanwhile, the Warsong clan are left behind to build a permanent settlement, but anger the Night Elves and their demigod by cutting down the forests. To defeat them, the Warsong leader Grom drinks the pit lord Mannoroth's blood, binding his clan to the Legion's control. Thrall manages to reach the Oracle, who tells him of Grom's doings, and that the help of the humans is required to save him. With the humans, Thrall purges Grom of the demonic influence. Grom turns on Mannoroth and kills him, dying to release the orcs from the pit lord's control."

Anybody think that this works? I don't think we need to know every character's involvement, just what happened. FusionMix 11:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to take a stab at shortening it (I still think we need a paragraph for each race campaign, but we'll see). Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 14:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
We could insert text markings such as "At this point, the so-and-so campaign begins". Currently, the main issue is that it goes into too much depth. FusionMix 21:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I think it looks a lot better now, eh? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Definitely, that plot section is nice and solid now. Good work on organizing the thing, I'd have made a mess of it otherwise. Perhaps attention should be turned to the Sound subsection now? I don't think all of those quotations should be needed. Perhaps one or two, but not the mess that's there. And anyway, they need sources. Sources are one of the things that, imo, are standing between this article and GA status. FusionMix 01:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I was going to push this to GA a while back, but I forgot about it... yeah, the quotations needs to be sourced and cut down (everyone keeps on adding a random one, I swear.) I'll look for interviews with the composers as well. The gameplay needs to be expanded and sourced, we need a development section, and reception could be improved... that's about it, I believe. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 01:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I just looked over the article, and can't see anything besides that in need of touchup. I'm going to wade into the Sound section first off, and whack out that mess of quotes. Saying "It includes quotes from so-and-so" will probably be sufficient.
About the sound section, "We found a witch! May we burn her?", "YOU'RE the king? Well I didn't vote for you.", "I NEVER say 'ni'!", "My favourite colour is blue... No, YELLOW!" are references to Monty Python and the Holy Grail film. It's stated earlier "Games like Mortal Kombat, Monty Python [...]", that's nonsense... --AndreSYn (talk) 23:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Um, I have just edited this rather a lot without looking at the talk page, which I perhaps shouldn't have done (I'm afraid I'm still feeling my way), and it has been put back to what it was before.  Looking at what has been said here, I should imagine that I lengthened it too much.  I edited it because I felt it to be inaccurate and unclear, and I would have said that the plot is complicated enough to need quite a lot of explaining.  If a natural plot summary is that long, wouldn't it be better to endure the length?  It's hard to explain Arthas going mad without using a lot of detail, though the rest of it may not need so much...
Quelocksa
I just changed the Arthas section to reflect changes in Wrath of the Lich King which reveals that the unearthing of Frostmourne did not actually kill Muradin. Rather than go into detail about his subsequent amnesia, I just changed "killed" to "nearly killed".
Dan
FusionMix 14:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Why don't we move the expanded plot summary to a new page and put a brief summary on this page. That way people who want to read about the plot in depth can do so and others who don't want to don't have to. The plot is complex and deserves to be recognized in depth.
How about something like this:
The game begins with a short tutorial focused on the Warcheif Thrall and the exodus of the horde. Thrall is told by a prophet to travel to Kalidimor. He and his men must rescue Grom Hellscream before leaving on stolen human transports. The game then moves to the young Prince Arthus. He must defend the countryside from Orcs before helping Jaina, a young apprentice Archmage, to rid the land of a plague that turns humans into undead. In doing so Arthus slaughters a hundred people before rushing to the frozen land of Northrend where he meets Muradin Bronzebeard, discovered the cursed blade Frostmourne and becoms undead. Not long after Arthus returns to Azeroth and kills his father. The game then moves into the Undead campagin. Arthus, now a death knight, must bring Kel'Thuzad, the necromancer he killed in the previous campaign, back to life. Arthus also kills Sylvanas Windrunner, the Ranger General of Silvermoon, who he later resurrects as a banshee, and corrupts the Sunwell. Soon after it is reveled that Kel'Thuzad is a Lich and that he serves the Lich King. Arthas and Kel'Thuzad open a portal and summon the demon Archimonde and the Burning Legion, who begins their purging of Lordaeron with the destruction of Dalaran. While this is all going on Thrall and Grom arrive on Kalimdor and meet Cairne Bloodhoof and the Tauren. The Warsong clan is left to start a settlement while Thrall searches for the Oracle. The Warsong clan anger the Night elves by cuting down the forest and  Grom drinks from a corrupted fountain to successfully kill Cenarius, binding his clan to the Legion's control. Thrall manages to reach the Oracle, who is in fact the Prophet, and learn of Grom's doings. Following the Prophet's directions, Thrall and Jaina join forces to save Grom and the world from demonic influence. After this Thrall and Grom begin to hunt Mannoroth and Grom kills him, dying in the process, but in doing so freeing the Orcs from the their demonic control for good. In the final campagin Tyrande Whisperwind reawakens the Elf Druids including Malfurion Stormrage and frees his brother Illidan Stormrage from prison. Illidan meets Arthas, who tells him about the "Skull of Gul'dan". Illidan uses the skulls power to kill Tichondrius and is banished from the forest by his brother. Meanwhile, the Prophet reveals that he used to be Medivh, the betrayer from Warcraft: Orcs & Humans. The humans, Orcs, and Night Elves finaly form an alliance and spring a trap on the Burning Legion. Archimonde is destroyed at Mount Hyjal and peace is restored.
Gloryify (talk) 07:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, New to Wikipedia but I was looking around and realized that their was no section about the races of the game. Shouldn't there be a bit about each races different aspects?
The Iron Raven (talk) 09:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea although i don't know if others agree. Do you want to write it if it gets approval? If not, I will be happy to. Gloryify (talk) 11:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
The Human Alliance
The Humans are an Alliance of Humans and Dwarves which were pushed out of Azeroth by the Horde. The Humans are a medieval european type race focused on economic and population growth and are probably the fastest expanders and builders in the game as they can have more than one unit building at a time. The Humans also have the ability to change there peasants into militia for short periods of time for defensive purposes. The Humans are focused on healing and also have good invisibility. There units are good across the board although they have very good mechanical units. The Human heroes are the Paladin, the Archmage and the Mountain King  
The Orcish Horde 
The Orcs are a shamanistic race that was corrupted by the Burning Legion in an attempt to invade and destroy Azeroth. After breaking from the Legion the Warchief Thrall sets them on a quest for a new start. The Orcs are focused on strong melee and shamanistic warlocks making them one of the strongest melee races in the game. The Orcs can upgrade their buildings so that they damage melee units and they have the unique ability 'pillage' which allows them to to gain resources by attacking buildings. The orcs burrows, equivalent to farms, can also be entered by peons so that they gain a ranged attack and can be used as a supplement to towers. The Orcish heroes are a split of all three of the attributes. They are the Blade Master, the Farseer and the Tauren Cheiften  
The Night Elf Sentinels 
The Night Elves or "Kal'dorei" meaning "Children of the Stars" are an ancient race native to Azeroth. They are focused on ranged and magical units and are good anti-air warriors. The Night Elves have the unique ability to move most of their buildings, known as Ancients, and these ancients also have melee attacks when not doing anything (building, researching). When moving Ancients armour drops from fortified to heavy so it is not advised to uproot them while under attack. The Ancients can also eat trees to regain health meaning that the Night Elves do not need to use resources to rebuild them. The Night Elves also have a unique method of resources gathering. Wisps attach to trees and drain lumber from them without damaging the tree in any way. The Night Elves entangle gold mines before they can gather from them. Five wisps may enter an entangled goldmine at a time and after entering they do not have to return to the Tree of Life to return gold. The Night Elves also have Moon Wells for farms. Moon Wells heal allied units and restore mana until they have been fully drained. Moon Wells and the Druid of the Claws Rejuvenation are both strong healing spells the Night Elves have access to but they do not have access to a weaker healer like the priest leaving them at a slight disadvantage in that field.The Night Elves also have ultravision which enables them have increased night vision and shadowmeld which lets their female units become invisible at night when not moving or attacking. The Night Elves heroes are mainly based on Agility. They are the Demon Hunter, the Keeper of the Grove and the Priestess of the Moon.   
The Undead Scourge   
The Undead Scourge was created by the Burning Legion for the sole purpose of sowing terror across the world in preparation of the Legion's invasion. The Undead are ruled by Ner'zhul, the Lich King, who resides over Northrend from his frozen throne. The Undead are a well balanced race with strong ground and air units. The Undead buildings produce blight, turning the land undead, and all but the hunted gold mine and necropolis must be built on blight. The Undead do not build buildings but summon them, not unlike the protists in Starcraft, enabling them to crate several structures at the same time. This ability gives the Undead an advantage when expanding when used in conjunction with a sacrificial skull. The Undead also use corpses as a tertiary unit and can reanimate or devour them to heal or create extra soldiers. The Undead also have a good regenerative ability with several healing units, the ability to devour corpses and the ability to heal on blight. The Undead also have a good defensive structure as their ziggurts (farms)can be upgrade into towers at any time for a cost. The Undead have a unique way of gathering resources. They have two separate units to gather lumber and gold. Ghouls gather an increased 20 lumber at a time and also act as the undead teire 1 melee unit. Acolytes gather gold in a similar way to the night elves but they do not need a town centre to haunt a goldmine, Acolytes also build and can be sacrificed to produce shades. Shades make great scouts as they are invisible and can be used as spies. The Undead heros are the Deathknight, Dreadlord and the Lich 
Still working on please leave. The Iron Raven (talk) 09:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Still working on please leave. I need to expand the Human and Orc and compress the Undead. I would like some feed back from others as it would help a lot. Thanks (The Iron Raven (talk) 02:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC))

Well they arent actually races but factions, as they are a conglomerate of different races. --Trrri333 (talk) 00:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning this? (as compared to the earlier Warcraft releases)
Kazkaskazkasako (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

where can I check who voice acted Tichondrius? It doesn't list it on wowwiki..81.68.255.36 (talk) 10:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Just went through the credits and under voice acting it stated: Michael Barken, Richard Barnes, Michael Bradberry, Frederick Bloggs, Tracy W. Bush, Piera Coppola, Jackson Daniels, Samwise Didier, Tami Donner Harrison, Derek Duke, Alex Dumas, Richard George, Carrie Gordon Lowrey, Michael McConnohie.
Michael Gough, Justin Gross, Tiffany Hayes, Thomas Jung, Matthew King, Monte Krol, Abe Lasser, Rob McNaughton, Chris Metzen, Lani Minella, Calab Moody, Bob Papenbrook, Gary Platner, Bill Roper, Stu Rose, Glenn Stafford, Kai Vilhelmsen, Ted Whitney.

So does anyone have a clue? 81.68.255.36 (talk) 12:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Hat/Tip to Matt Drudge Report:  Home page thumbnail sketch is: "PROSECUTORS: Norwegian Killer Played 'World of Warcraft' 7 Hours a Day for Months..." — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:WEIGHT. On top of that, wrong article. --Izno (talk) 12:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Strange that an article on a vintage video game would not mention the system requirements.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.123.113 (talk) 22:17, 5 January 2013 (UTC) 

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@SoWhy: Why have you removed my grammar tense corrections and re-added tautologies that I corrected? The other changes seem fine, even though I would call the original game RoC like in your first edit after mine.--Adûnâi (talk) 22:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
@Adûnâi: I merely remerged the edits that were prematurely split out to preserve attribution. It was not a criticism of your edits, you are welcome to restore them to the new text. As for the last part, the article consistently uses "Warcraft III" to refer to the game, so this section should not do it differently. Regards SoWhy 08:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Made new page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarCraft_III:_Reforged -- too early you think or not notable? Plenty of references and sources and information to expand in the article I haven't found.TerryHeyBleeper (talk) 18:00, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I've moved this and histmerged it at the proper name Warcraft III: Reforged. -- ferret (talk) 18:08, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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