# Talk:Shirley Chisholm

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Why is this page protected? Here's a link for the External Links.  It's for a PBS/P.O.V documentary on Shirley Chisholm's 1972 run for president.  http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2005/chisholm/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.78.52 (talk • contribs) 07:11, March 8, 2007 (UTC)

Why isn't there anything about her presidential bid? I don't know very much about her, and came to this page to find out more. I expected to see something about that. - Coralys 04:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

big same 2600:6C40:5400:78E:18CF:982E:424D:B6B (talk) 23:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Anyone know if she received 152 or 162 delegate votes?  The article says both.  (Also, does anyone know how many delegate votes are possible?  It might be nice to be able to say "152 (or 162) out of _____ available delegate votes."--TheOtherBob 21:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to second this.  As a non-American, 162 delegate votes doesn't mean much to me.  Of course, I could go and look up other articles to find out, but I think it would improve the article if it explained whether this was a near miss, or if she was a long way behind.  TheAstonishingBadger (talk) 09:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
It looks like she won 28 delegates during the primary process, then Hubert Humphrey released his black delegates to her at the 1972 convention (he had 93 black delegates and 97 black alternates) as some kind of anti-McGovern maneuver and as a gesture towards black leaders.  She ended up with 152 delegates.  I haven't found how that added up and don't feel likely to spend more time chasing it down, but it would be good if someone interested could research this more carefully.  The article previously repeated the version given in various later popular press pieces that seem to have gotten the story oversimplified or wrong.  75.62.6.99 (talk) 09:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I know that in the 2008 election, 2000 or so delegates were up for grabs. 68.43.91.73 (talk) 15:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Was she the first Congress-person to be elected that was also the child of a Caribbean immigrant --or that was the child of an Anglophone Caribbean immigrant (as opposed to a Spanish-Caribbean immigrant)?Dogru144 01:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
This article refers to Chisholm as an African American. Her parents were West Indian immigrants. Not all American blacks are of African origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zilpha99 (talk • contribs) 00:20, July 12, 2007 (UTC)

Guess where black "West Indians" came from ? :) - Darwinek 09:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

hi my name is [elided] and me personaly i think there should be tons of pictures [of the subject] on this page
− —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.73.49.240 (talk) 20:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

I think this page might need to be corrected. Wikipedia states that there were several earlier female Democrat candidates for presidential nomination (starting in 1920 with Laura Clay and Cora Wilson Stewart, and in 1964 Fay T. Carpenter Swain):  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates
Zonkerette (talk) 11:10, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The 1972 presidential campaign section includes this:

Many headlines constructed Chisholm as an emasculating matriarch with headlines such as the Boston Globe’s “Rep. Shirley Chisholm outflanks her black political brothers”.

I think this should be removed. Nothing is cited to support the characterization that this headline portrays her as an "emasculating matriarch". The source just shows that the headline existed
Does anyone disagree? -- Pemilligan (talk) 05:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Done. -- Pemilligan (talk) 04:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks.  That was added by a one-and-done editor a couple of years ago and the particular conclusion behind it is not supported by the Barbara Winslow biography or other accounts I've seen.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:03, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Why is literally nothing on this page about the material policies she supported in any of her campaigns? Like what did she proscribe for health care, foreign policy, economic regulation etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.5.121.79 (talk) 12:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC) 

If you have sources that cover those topics, please add them to the article to improve it. Thanks! JesseRafe (talk) 14:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

I think there needs to be additional language to distinguish her from Frederick Douglass's candidacy at the 1888 Republican National Convention. Goustien (talk) 02:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

The article's content is relevant to the topic, but I would like to take a deeper dive into some specific aspects of Shirley Chisholm's life and make sure that the underdeveloped sections become more developed. I would also like to investigate her role in the fight for the vote for women and potentially add it to this page. Additionally, I would like to take a look and see if each claim is reliably backed up by a source and cited properly. KaiAbiola (talk) 05:51, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Shirley Chisholm/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: A. C. Santacruz (talk · contribs) 20:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I'll start a review once I'm done with some work deadlines for tomorrow, should take me a few days once I start, but I'll make sure to keep you updated FormalDude. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 20:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @A. C. Santacruz! We are approaching the seven day average GA review timeline, just wondering if you're still planning on doing the review? Thank you. ––FormalDude  talk 04:41, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
My apologies, FormalDude, I'll get right on it. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 09:44, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


### Comments
Minor grammar/spelling suggestions:
In "Early life":

Ruby St. Hill was a skilled seamstress and domestic worker, and had trouble working and raising the children at the same time. The double "and" here reads weirdly. I'm not entirely sure right now what other wording would make sense (perhaps "[...] and had trouble working while raising the children [...]" could work).
 Fixed. Now reads: "Ruby St. Hill was a skilled seamstress and domestic worker who experienced the difficulty of balancing work with raising children at the same time." ––FormalDude  talk 00:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
The "As a member of the Harriet Tumban Society, [...]" sentence has too many commas. It's readable, but could be improved by changing the wording at the start of the sentence (", she advocated for inclusion, " seems somewhat redundant, but there are other ways one could get rid of a few commas).
 Fixed: added parenthesis and removed one comma. ––FormalDude  talk 00:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
There's an excessive amount of External Links. Find a Grave seems unnecessary, for example. Some links are dead, and I'll tag them in the article itself.
Some clarification of what responsibilities being a "Democratic National Committeewoman" entails would be nice.
Copyvio returns a very high (98.2%) similarity with this Harlem World Magazine article. I'm not entirely sure how to proceed so I'll ask for advice, but everything else about the article passes GACR.Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 16:56, 8 December 2021 (UTC) Website is backwards copy of wikipedia, passing GA accordingly. Congratulations, FormalDude! This was a really nice article to read and I'm so happy there is a +1 in the list of black women with GA articles about them. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 17:16, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your review @A. C. Santacruz, much appreciated! ––FormalDude  talk 21:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

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Change "Chisholm became the first African American to run for a major party's nomination for President of the United States," to "Chisholm became the first Black American to run for a major party's nomination for President of the United States,"
Rationale: the record does not appear to support the inferential claim that Ms. Chisholm was of African descent. Her mother and grandmother were from Barbados and her father was from Guiana. This is the only place where non-source, indirect quote material in the article uses the term 'African American' to refer to Ms. Chisholm, and other source materials cite her self-reference as "Barbadian American" or Black. This appearance of the term is not in direct quote of a source material, so it would be more appropriate to use modern terminology that aligns with Ms. Chisholm's self-identification.  Alex.harriswv (talk) 18:57, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

Shirley Chisholm was an American who descended from black, sub-Saharan Africans, and thus is an African American.  The fact that the slaveship that carried her ancestors in chains to the New World stopped in the Caribbean instead of continuing towards what is now the United States does not deny her the right to be called an African American.  The position that only persons whose ancestors were enslaved within the United States can be deemed to be African Anerican not only is inconsistent with the way that the term is used by the U.S. gvernment (including in the U.S. Census), but it is a fringe position (how many reliable sources claim that Barack Obama, Colin Powell, Cicely Tyson and Louis Farrakhan are not African American?) and certainly not NPOV.  Chisholm should continue to be referred to as African American.  AuH2ORepublican (talk) 00:10, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Day Creature (talk) 02:29, 9 November 2025 (UTC)