# Talk:Shō Taikyū

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Nominator: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 20:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 04:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct: 

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation: 

Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline: 

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose): 

C. It contains no original research: 

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic: 

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style): 

Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each: 

Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute: 

Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content: 

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 

Comments

Introduce Okinawa as an island in the West Pacific.
Done. - G
Introduce Goeku as a castle.
Done. - G
Introduce Chuzan Seikan. Do we need the Japanese (?) letters? Based on the article, I understand it has at least two versions. Which version is mentioned in this sentence?
Clarified this better; there's just one version, I just accidently introduced it twice. - G
...(中山世鑑, Reflections on Chūzan)... Delete, or add the same info when mentioning Omoro Soshi.
Done. -G
Translation of Omoro Soshi is missing. Borsoka (talk) 02:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, there is no clear translation for the Omoro Soshi; I think it's debated what its name actually means.  Generalissima (talk) (it/she)   02:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Introduce Sho Kinpuku.
Done. - G
Do we know when Omoro Shozi was compiled (at least the century)?
Yeah, added. - G
...the son of the ruler of Goeku... Who?
The source doesn't say... I'll just say "a ruler" instead, to make it more clear he's not specifically known? - G
These rulers are recorded in the official histories of the Ryukyu Kingdom as Hashi's sons and grandsons, it is possible that the First Shō dynasty was not actually a familial lineage, and was instead a succession of powerful military leaders. Rephrase.
Done. - G
...the dynasty may have been a succession of powerful military leaders Attribute this PoV to a scholar.
Shiro and Furi's forces may have been weakened by their conflict, allowing Taikyū to enter the conflict later and seize the throne from his base in Goeku; alternatively, he may have been a party in the conflict from its beginning. Attribute these PoVs to a scholar in the text.
Done. - G
Introduce the Ming annals.
... (渓隠)... Delete (twice), or add the same info when mentioning anybody in Japanese or Chinese in the text.
Deleted. - G
...to additionally establish... Additionally?
In addition to Tenkai-ji; though I guess this isn't needed. - G
...(万国津梁の鐘, Bankoku shinryō no kane)... Delete, or add the sam info when mentioning anything in Japanese or Chinese in the text.
Done. - G
...four years after Taikyū's enthronement,... Delete.
Done. - G
Explain aji with one or two words.
Done. - G
A link to divine song?
I couldn't find a good link for this.
Introduce Joseon as a Korean kingdom/state...
Done. - G
I do not find it.
Oh, somehow forgot to push that. There we go.  Generalissima (talk) (it/she)   02:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
...the official date of Kinpuku's date is listed in the official histories... Rephrase.
Done. -G
Introduce Ming Veriable Records.
Done. -G
...he may have been an unrelated wakō pirate leader... Attribute this PoV to a scholar. Do we know why the scholar proposes this?
Added and elaborated. - G
In reality, Kanemaru may have already been the lord of Uchima, and simply allied with Taikyū. Attribute this PoV to a scholar. Do we know why the scholar proposes this?
Elaborated. - G
Do we have info about his family? Borsoka (talk) 04:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
None that I could find, unfortunately. - G
Image review

File:Taise Tsūhō - Dr. Luke Roberts 01.jpg: the Description is closely paraphrased to the cited source. Borsoka (talk) 05:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
@Borsoka: Fixed.  Generalissima (talk) (it/she)   22:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, I referred to Description in Commons [1]. Borsoka (talk)
Borsoka Oh, my bad. Fixed as well.  Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 
Source review

Academic sources of high standard are cited.
Would you quote the text (here on the Talk page) verifying the following statements? Borsoka (talk) 02:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
@Borsoka: Okay! Done.  Generalissima (talk) (it/she)   08:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
The historian Gregory Smits theorizes that Shiro and Furi's forces may have been weakened by their conflict, allowing Taikyū to enter the conflict later and seize the throne from his base in Goeku. Alternatively, he may have been a party in the conflict from its beginning.
"One possible scenario is that Shiro and Furi, whoever they were, went to war in an effort to gain the throne and weakened or killed each other. Then Taikyu of Goeku moved in and took over. Another scenario is that it was a three-way contest from the start." Smits 2024 p. 232 -G
Taikyū was a consistent sponsor of Zen Buddhism, overseeing the construction of four Zen temples; Chūzan shifted away from a reliance on Chinese officials as ministers in favor of Japanese Buddhist priests.
"Taikyu was probably a devout Buddhist personally. Nevertheless, his establishment of temples and the casting of bells for them also functioned a symbolic legitimization of his rule. [...] Taikyu's reign marked a turning point for several reasons. First, the days of high-ranking Chinese "ministers" ended with Taikyu, never to return. Offsetting the former influence of powerful Chinese was an influx of Buddhist priests from Japan." Smits 2024, pp. 234-235.
"he commissioned the casting of at least nine other bells of the bonshō 梵鐘 variety, mostly as donations to the four Zen temples he built during his brief reign of nearly six years (1454–1460)". McNally 2015, pp. 88–89.
As the official histories portray Okinawa as having been a unified kingdom for several centuries by the time of Taikyū, wars with neighboring polities and aji may have been reinterpreted as rebellions in later retellings.
"Notice that the official histories assume an Okinawa united under one king as far back as Eiso's time. Therefore, in their pages local warfare had to be framed in terms of loyalty or disloyalty to the throne. [...] Taikyu's significance was that he added northern trade routs and territory within Okinawa to the royal portfolio." - Smits 2024, pp. 233–234
Many of his close allies went into hiding under the reign of his successor, Shō Toku, suggesting that Taikyū may have been killed or overthrown.
"No cause of death is stated, but given that Taikyu's allies went into hiding when Sho Toku took the throne, Taikyu's death may not have been a natural one." - Smits 2024, p. 234
"Few facts are avaliable about Sho Toku other than official trade records and the official histories. He appears to have been a wako whose group managed to seize power from Sho Taikyu and enjoy the benefits of the tribute trade for a while." - Smits 2024, p. 236