# Talk:Rex Grossman

I understand that it was added after his benching, but he did return to the starting line-up and is back with the Bears for at least a season. So should the section "Fallout" be removed or changed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakersnbulls91 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC) 

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of February 24, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: lead too short
2. Factually accurate?: ref need to be linked properly
6. Images?: may not be fair use
When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration.  Thanks for your work so far. 
--Buc 23:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The lead has been expanded, and the Refs have been properly cited - According, to Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Order of Information, The current format being used to present Citations should be fine. The only thing left is the images. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   18:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Rex didn't leave Florida "after the departure of Coach Steve Spurrier." His final year as the Gators QB (2002-2003 season) was with Ron Zook as his head coach, and Spurrier was coaching the Washington Redskins at the time. Somebody please amend that part of his biography.

Should be good now. Thanks for pointing it out --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   22:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do not add trivia to the lede section of Wikipedia articles. The fact that the info you are adding is not directly related to Rex Grossman's notability as an NFL player indicates that it belongs in another section. Themindset 19:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Can we please stop deleting the info. about Grossman being a Jew !! This is not Triva but rather info. about him. (unsigned by 68.72.163.215)
Hey, I'm a Bear fan too, but cool it. KyuuA4 05:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I have filed for a 3rd opinion on the current edit dispute. Themindset 20:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe the paragraph about Grossman's supposed status as a nonpracticing Jew should be  aggressively deleted unless and until a reputable source can be found substantiating the claims. The first web page cited in the article does not support the contention that Grossman is a nonpracticing Jew, but says quite flatly that he is not a Jew, despite rumors to the contrary. The second web page doesn't even mention Grossman at all. Even if this information were true, it does not belong in the lead paragraph. Grossman is famous as a football player, which has little to do with his religious heritage. Rohirok 20:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. I moved it to its own section prior to checking sources. Unless some reliable sources can be found for these statements they should be removed. Fagstein 20:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
According to some die-hard Chicago Bears fans, Rex is not jewish. The idea was supposedly created
by some radio personalities on 670 The Score (a Chicagoland Radio Station). I'm guessing the misconception is spawned by Rex's last name, which is often believed to be a Jewish heritage. [1] [2] [3] :) --ShadowJester07 03:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

can we get a better picture, like one that makes him look like a football player rather than a news reporter?

Finding a Fair use NFL image is almost impossible. You're welcome to attempt to get a Screenshot of Rex during one of his several post-game appearances on FOX-WFLD --ShadowJester07 22:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It is probably for the best that we stop continuously updating the Prof. Career section with Rex's weekly highs and lows. For one thing, it makes the article seems as a News Desk as opposed to an actual WP Article, (See Wikipedia:Is Not). Second, Rex's is seemingly subjective; While some fans claimed his performance to be "average" Cory Mcpherrin and the people at Mike North Shore praised Rex for his performance. Lastly, the articles for other, more significant, NFL players are not updated on weekly basis unless they do something extraordinary, See Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Brian Urlacher, Tom Brady, and Steve Smith (NFL). I'd say we should just wait till the end of the season - or a couple of more weeks - before updating the article.  --ShadowJester07 01:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree but then you'll need to rewrite current section to eliminate references to first 10 games and make it more generic. Otherwise it'll look incomplete or not up-to-date to casual observer and ppl will put a few words. Papushin 15:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
How about we just leave it out for now, and complete it sometime later? --ShadowJester07 20:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I took the liberty of adding a few post scripts to Rex's 2006 season, including a few passing statistics that highlighted his up-and-down regular season. (No1vickfan) <---- sorry I don't have an official log in name yet —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.2.186.10 (talk) 19:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC).
I went ahead and added his career statistics, including this season's. Is the timing on that okay?
Er, the Stats aren't really needed, as there are already 3+ links that show off Grossman's stats. While they are a fairly nice detail, Standalone stat tables aren't very useful compared to splicing statistics into an article's main body - ei Grossman's College Career. Also, given that Lovie declared he will keep Rex as the Bears' starter during the post season, it may be a bit too early. ;) --ShadowJester07 09:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, but - and this is just a personal preference - I like to see the statistics on the Wikipedia page instead of having to click a link to an external one. Lazy? Maybe. I won't add them in again. Benq31 07:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC
If One wants to add the statistics, please use the format on the Peyton Manning page, as it is one of the few well-written and sourced Wikipedia Articles. [4]  --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   00:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Here I did what you suggested ShadowJester07...looks better. Thanks for the tip! --user:lakersnbulls91

Does anybody know what it was?  Maybe it could be thrown into the article, since I know it was a vast improvement over the Packers game. Dominicus Cerberus 20:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It was around 70, not that special. I think the 1.3 to 114 is more significant ;-) --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   20:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

This morning's Chicago Tribune (section 4, page 2) talks about the semiprotect on this page as the topic of a one-paragraph blurb. The "article" is called "Writing not on 'virtual' wall for Rex (for now)" and reads in part: "It's time to take a breath and slow it down. The online encyclopedia/database Wikipedia has disabled user comments/input/bio material on Grossman's Wikipedia page for unregistered or newly registered users. High praise of Rex and his newfound notoriety or not, such a move is usually reserved for politicians' biographies on Wikipedia." Sounds like the Tribune still isn't looking at Wikipedia very much... since they don't know we're just as likely to semiprotect Christianity and Buddhism or a host of "controversial" characters from Naruto. Anyway, thought I'd mention the mention. Dekimasuが... 13:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Good Find. Here's the online Article [5] --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   23:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The article is well-written with lots of sources and a free image (good job!). There are a few things that should be fixed before I pass it however.

Go through the article and make sure the inline citations are directly after the punctuation with no spaces in between.
"Rex Grossman was born in Bloomington, Indiana, to Daniel and Maureen Grossman." I don't think a comma is needed after Indiana. Keep it if you think it does.
"His high school legacy is well remembered through the numerous passing records he set, and the later retirement of his jersey." Well remembered by who? Students? Residents of his hometown? When was the jersey retired?
"Grossman continued his success by leading the Gators to a 10-2 season in 2001. He came in second to University of Nebraska quarterback Eric Crouch in one of the closest votes in Heisman Trophy history [8], (the closest being in 1985, when Auburn University's Bo Jackson beat out Chuck Long of Iowa by 16 points)," The closest points difference is mentioned at 16, but was the point difference for his?
Add wikilinks for passer rating, interception, & fumble (Return section).
"He has been married to Alison Miska since July 9, 2005.[39] He resides in Bloomington, Indiana, during the offseason." Combine the two sentences.
Consider converting the statistics at the end of the article into a table, similar to the one found at Brett Favre's article.
Add inline citations for:

Grossman received national recognition as the 1998 Indiana Player-of-the-Year by USA Today, and was ranked among the top fifteen players in the nation by the National Recruiting Advisor.
He received state-wide honors when he was named "Indiana's Mr. Football" later that year.
Again, the article looks pretty good, it just needs a few things fixed. I'll put the article on hold for up to seven days, and by then will fail it if no progress is made. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions or when you are done with the above suggestions. --Nehrams2020 23:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I've struck through all of the items fixed so far. Just fix the inline citations and add a source for the USA Today and National Recruiting Advisor statement. --Nehrams2020 00:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe I have now got all the inline citations, it felt like a puzzle game of some sort :p. Also, I cited the Awards, as they were also located in the rexgrossman.com source. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   00:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


### GA passed
I have passed the article since the above suggestions are fixed. Good job on fixing them so quickly. Make sure that all new information continues to be sourced and verified. On a side note, the inline citation you added for the USA Today statement needs a space after it before Parade magazine. Keep up the good work, and if you have the time, please review an article or two at GAC to assist in the backlog. Good job on helping to improve the quality of articles on Wikipedia! --Nehrams2020 08:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I selected Grossman as the featured biography in the Football portal, I had to tweak what I took (as editors usually do in those portals) as the lead-in seems to be 3-5 sizeable paragrpahs there and is the lead here is two. Also you don't want anything redundant, so I just several paragraphs verbatim and stuck them together in a chronological fashion. Looks good though. Quadzilla99 22:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The sentence: "Grossman completed his first full season with a relatively low 73.9 quarterback rating, which was better than quarterback ratings of Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, and Terry Bradshaw during their first full seasons.", whilst undoubtedly true, is misleading due to a lack of context. By mentioning a Hall of Fame quarterback and two players who will undoubtedly become such after they retire, the article implies that Grossman's play was of a high standard for a new starting quarterback. This is not particularly the case; amongst last year's Quarterbacks who started at least ten games for the first time he ranks behind Tony Romo (95.1), Philip Rivers (92.0) and Matt Leinart (74.0) and ahead only of Vince Young (66.7) and Bruce Gradkowski (65.9). Amongst current NFL players, unheralded quarterbacks such as Charlie Batch (83.5), Aaron Brooks (76.4), Jeff Garcia (77.9) and Grossman's own backup Brian Griese (75.6) have done better in the first season they started ten games or more ("full season" does not appear to have been defined by the article cited, so I had to use my own definition). 
For separate reasons, none of Bradshaw, Favre and Manning were very good in their first "full" seasons starting. Manning was a rookie on a terrible Indianapolis Colts team that went 3-13; Bradshaw was also on a poor Steelers team and had a very poor start to his career before a major upturn during the "dynasty" era in Pittsburgh (also, Bradshaw's statistics come prior to a major liberalisation of the passing rules in 1978); Favre actually played much better in 1992 (which he became the starting quarterback two games into) than 93, posting an 85.3 rating. 
I have edited this sentence to "Grossman completed his first full season with a relatively low 73.9 quarterback rating. His supporters have pointed out that this was better than quarterback ratings of Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, and Terry Bradshaw during their first full seasons; however, many quarterbacks with undistinguished careers have performed similarly or better in their first years, including Grossman's backup Brian Griese."StuartFraser 01:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

What the heck?  Why did the Nicknames section get removed? - unsigned

See WP:OR and WP:Cite. Besides, there's already a paragraph that talks about Grossman's nicknames. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk  05:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Furthermore, please be sure that the nick name has been published by a legitimate source, not a blog site. If the nick name was something that one random nut-job came up with in a rant about Grossman, it probably is not notable enough.--ShadowJester07 ► Talk  20:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
yes but some of the other nicknames that were published by a legitimate source used a blog site for their information.  so you are saying that regardless of where the information comes from i must be published by a "legitimate source?"  If you just do a google search of renee pussman you will come up with MULTIPLE different blog sites and message boards that use his nickname Renee Pussman  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.137.219.194 (talk) 22:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC) 
ALSO, it says in the article that Steve Spurrier gave him that nickname at Florida, but there is nothing to attribute to that fact, so it also should be removed.  in fact, ANYTHING that isn't attributed or cited should be removed if Renee Pussman isn't allowed to be in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aramaki (talk • contribs) 18:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC) 

I really advise you to read the links I left. Aswell as the "This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard." on top of the talk page. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk  05:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
If you want legitimately published sources: [6][7]
--ShadowJester07 ► Talk  05:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
You know what I find ridiculous?  The fact that just because a person is a Bears fan or a Rex Grossman fan they cant accept the fact that he has a derogatory nickname.  They think that Rex must be infallible and that no demeaning nickname will be allowed on his Wikipedia page.  That nickname Renee Pussman is funny.  I am a Bears and Grossman fan like every other one, but I do have a sense of humor, and recognize that it is a funny nickname.  Also, having that nickname blog posted on here could NOT be considered libelous.  First of all it is a work of parody, second of all, the content of it is not believable to a reasonable person.  Third, Rex is an all purpose public figure and is subject to criticism.  That nickname should be up there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.227.105 (talk) 08:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC) 

How is a nickname which only two people know supposed to be Notable, let alone encyclopedic? It came from a  random blog, not a legitimate source like, Train Rex, which was actually recognized on the cover of the November 27, 2006 of the Tribune's sports section. Unless you can prove the notablity of a nickname, do not bother adding. It may be funny, but nothing better than that someone can come up with a six pack on a Sunday afternoon. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk  16:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
It may have started in a random blog but people are using the name.  It is all over message boards.  Just google renee pussman and two full pages come up.  Also, by your reasoning, all i would need to do to make this a legitimate fact is for it to be published in some newspaper?  Any newspaper should be fine right? Besides, the notability of a nickname does not in any way rely on its publication.  It relies on use.  If people use the nickname, it is notable.  Like I said, just google Renee Pussman and you will get PLENTY of hits showing that it is used.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.137.219.194 (talk) 17:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC) 

I take it you did not even bother reading Wikipedia's policy for Notability. Technically, the theory that "Jesus is Hitler" turns up more than three times more results than 'Renee Pussman'. If you can successfully pursued the editors of the Jesus Christ article to add that, then by all means, feel free to add 'Renee Pussman' to the Grossman article. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk  13:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
You see, the difference here is that the Jesus is Hitler thing is a theory.  The fact that Rex Grossmans nickname is Renee Pussman, is a FACT.  if people are using the name Renee Pussman in reference to Rex Grossman then there is no debating the fact that it is a nickname for him.  Granted, you and others might not like the nickname, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be used.  if you don't want the like to the blog up on the article, that is fine, but in the "Personal Life" section there should at least be mentioned that Renee Pussman is one of his nicknames.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.137.219.194 (talk) 17:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC) 
Blogs are not legitimate sources. Blogs are meant to stir up discussions and to create a place for people to talk about topics they feel are important. There is no use of Renee Pussman in the Sports media and it is not a notable nickname, it is hilarious and there are other nicknames he has been given by bloggers and sports fans alike. If we were to put up all the nicknames I have heard for him we would need a separate wikipedia page dedicated to Rex Grossman nicknames. Rgoss25 (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

He's a free agent now, does anyone want to write that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.215.251.214 (talk) 23:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC) 
He is still under contract with the Chicago Bears, and will not be a free agent until March 1, 2009. Free agency in the NFL officially begins March 3, 2009. Rgoss25 (talk) 16:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

why cant I edit this page?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pookaloo (talk • contribs) 00:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC) 

It is currently semi protected; therefore only established members can edit the page. This (off the top of my head) means you need to have had an account for more than a week, hope that helps. --AJFurnell (talk) 15:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)3
The comparison of Rex Grossman to Ben Roethlisberger is unfair, because it is completely outdated. Furthermore, while Roethlisberger had an incredibly inconsistent season in 2006 due to a variety of reasons, he has since leveled out, making the Pro Bowl in 2007. Grossman has not. The fact that you still cite this statistic (even noting that it ends at 2006) is misleading. You should either update the statistic, or remove the mention to Roethlisberger as it is unnecessary to prove your point about Grossman's inconsistency.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.222.249.197 (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC) 

The nickname Renee Pussman was used by Jim Rome on The Jim Rome Show last week!  It is officially in the public eye and the nickname deserves to be on this page!
PUT IT UP!!!
Yes! PLEASE PUT IT UP!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.137.219.194 (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC) 

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Rex Grossman/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards,--Jackyd101 (talk) 08:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS): 
Prose is pretty good, probably an 8/10.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
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It is stable.

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Not a relevant topic to put up on this page. If we were to put up these types of comments from shock jocks and sports junkies we would have a lot of pointless information that is only used to increase the ratings of their radio or tv programs. What is relevant is anything significant that Grossman has done that is reported on by the media or anything statistically recorded by the NFL or other stat gathering agencies. If Rex Grossman were called Renee Pussman by his teammates or Lovie Smith, or if the fans at the stadium were chanting Renee Pussman, then it would be relevant. Rgoss25 (talk) 16:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm adding some detailed info of NFL games in the 1950s, and I'm starting to encounter references to Grossman's grandfather, Rex Daniel Grossman the first (not with a formal number), who played in the NFL in 1948-50. This should be discussed to avoid conflicts.
Will102 (talk) 16:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

@Will102:  That's going to present some interesting naming challenges.  Obviously, the grandson is the far better known of the two.  Normally, I would suggest distinguishing the grandfather with a parenthetical that included his position, but he played both offense (fullback) and defense (linebacker), but he was also the Colts' placekicker and sometimes punter.  Talk about confusing.  I would suggest that you take this to the WP:AT talk page for advice.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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