# Talk:Sandi Jackson

In this section the word "hugfest" is used. That doesn't seem awfully encyclopaedic to me. Any comments? Fribbler (talk) 23:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hugfest is a very well-known  colloquial reference for the occurance.  If you talk to anyone about the DNC hugfest or Jesse Jackson, Jr. Hugfest there is no confusion on what you art talking about.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  22:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Hugfest is not a word. Hugfest is not English. This is the English language Wikipedia. This article should be easily comprehendable to those who are not previously familiar with the event. Suggest adding "termed a "hugfest" by the press" or some such if you feel strongly about this term for some reason. Hugh (talk) 18:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)Hugh

Thanks to all for your work on a Chicago alderman article.
[65] Simpson, Dick (2008-05-13). "Aldermen daring to challenge Daley". Chicago Sun-Times. Newsbank. Retrieved on 2008-11-15.
[84] Simpson, Dick (2008-10-03). "Tough times call for a strong City Council". Chicago Sun-Times. Newsbank. Retrieved on 2008-11-15.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by HughD (talk • contribs) 13:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC) 
This source is an opinion piece, not a news article. The author Simpson is a commentator, not a reporter. This source is the basis for most of a paragraph on the subject's political "independence." The subject's "independence" is contentious. The subject is a living person and a Chicago alderman. Numerous reliable sources could be added to this article in support of the contention that the subject is not independent, but I don't think we should do that - I think we would better off avoiding the "independence" issue altogether. WP:BLP specifies immediate removal and that we should not be Talk-paging about this. If someone feels strongly about including this material in the article, please add an in-text attribution, but please understand that I plan to honor proportionality WP:NPOV unless it is removed altogether.
From WP:RS: "News reporting is distinct from opinion pieces. Opinion pieces are only reliable for statements as to the opinion of their authors, not for statements of fact, and should be attributed in-text. ... Wikipedia articles should cover all significant views, doing so in proportion to their published prominence among the most reliable sources. ... Editors must take particular care when writing biographical material about living persons, for legal reasons and in order to be fair. Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material immediately if it is about a living person, and do not move it to the talk page."
Thanks again,
Hugh (talk) 13:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Dick Simpson is not a commentator.  He is more of an expert on the occurrences on City Council than any writer  because he is a former two-term (eight-year) alderman [1971-1979, 3 decades ago] himself. No further citation is needed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)  22:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Simpson is a commentator. Simpson is not a reporter. His background does not change that. Not everything that appears in a newspaper is RS. Simpson's writing in the Sun-Times appears on the editorial page. His writing is not subject to the same vetting as news reporting. The two Simpson references are opinion pieces as defined in WP:RS and therefore not RS. I think we should delete both citations. Also, I don't think the statements in this article derived from those two sources are critical to the article. I plan to flag them as citation required, and wait a respectful period and then delete them. If someone feels strongly that the statements are important, alternate sources should be sought - or cite "in text" - "according to former alderman Dick Simpson..." Hugh (talk) 18:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)Hugh

The source (currently ref 55) is to the "Talk Back" column from the Chicago Sun-Times. This occasional feature appears on the editorial page. It is a re-print in the hard-copy dead tree edition of the snarkiest comments from the Sun-Times' blogs. Blog posts are not generally acceptable WP:RS and blog comments are even more suspect. Not everything that appears in a newspaper is RS. These comments are not subject to the same vetting as news articles. The authors are not reporters. Also, I believe the statement fragment in the article derived from this ref is not important to the article. I plan to remove the ref, flag the phrase as citation required, wait a respectful period, and if an alternate cite is not found, delete the phrase. Hugh (talk) 19:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Citing this source in-text as "the Chicago Sun-Times" and "major daily" gives the reader a false impression of the weight to this content WP:UNDUE, WP:NNC, WP:RS. The current in-text citation gives the reader the false impression that perhaps the S-T editorialized on this issue, unless they chase the link. This source is not an editorial, neither is it reportage. Again, this source is a re-print of blog comments. I am not interested in a revert war on this.Hugh (talk) 19:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it at all odd to anyone else that the two pictures of Mrs. Jackson are the same except that one has Jesse Jackson Jr. photoshopped in or out? Maybe there is some other picture that could be used? --Nogburt (talk) 00:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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