# Talk:Sundrum Castle

"The castle was built on land gifted to Sir Duncan by King David II in 1370": is the gift or the building done in 1370?
"Some sources mistakenly report it was Sir Robert who commissioned the castle.": this needs a citation (what sources? Or, alternatively, who says some sources?).
I've added other {{cn}} tags where necessary but the one above is strongly necessary
I'm not entirely sure how appropriate "Sir Duncan" is when referring to the builder. It sounds a bit informal.
"until 1753 (though at least one source says 1758 and the 1885 book by Millar claims it went straight to the Hamiltons in 1750)": this section is very dense reading and hard to understand.
Kj cheetham, I'll add more comments later/do some ce on the article. If I don't feel free to ping. — Ixtal ( T / C )  ⁂  Join WP:FINANCE!  09:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Ixtal, thank you for the comments, much appreciated! I'll attempt to address them in the coming days. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi Ixtal, I've made some further tweaks, including clarifying Alexander Waters a bit as per another editor's tag. Regarding your comments:
1370 is when the gift was done. I couldn't find the exact date it was built.
Regarding Sir Robert, that was my observation rather than someone who said some sources. However looking again it's sources like http://web.archive.org/web/20201130231219/http://sundrumcastle.com/castle.html rather than text books, and implies there was an even older castle before Sir Duncan made his castle. There's not much to back that up, so I've just removed the sentance.
I think I've sorted out the other {{cn}} tags.
I'm not really sure on the equiette of referring to medieval knights to be honest. I'd seen that form in at least one book though, which was a bit shorter than using the full name or something like Sir Duncan of Sundram.
What happened around 1753 was a bit confusing, as sources don't agree, so I've tried to reword it so it flows better. (On a side note, you wouldn't believe the number of different people called John Hamilton!)
How soon do you think I should submit it to GA? Thanks,
-Kj cheetham (talk)
P.S. The article before I first edited it even said it was Sir Robert Wallace (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sundrum_Castle&oldid=1081964595), but I own the Plantagenet Somerset Fry book and he's not even mentioned at all. It just says the tower is "from the 14th century". -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:14, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Ixtal I thought I'd just go for it and submit to GAN now, and I can always keep working on it whilst it's in the queue too. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:06, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

The article currently says that The fall of Sundrum from Cathcart ownership was alluded to in a poem by Robert Chambers in the 19th century, sourced to Chambers' Popular Rhymes of Scotland.  It's not at all clear to me that this is in fact a poem by Chambers – though the subtitle of the book is "Original Poems", Chambers' preface appears to suggest that he has merely collected traditional rhymes.  Are these actually his own compositions that he is presenting as traditional?  If so, is there a better source which makes this clear? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 16:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Caeciliusinhorto-public I admit I hadn't read the preface before. I originally assumed it was by him based on the subtitle and https://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/archive/81374654?mode=transcription but looking more closely even the associated text on https://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/archive/81375206?mode=transcription implies he didn't write it as it's more like an analysis of it's meaning. I don't know of a better source to clarify, so perhaps it would be better to say something like "alluded to in a traditional poem published in a book by Robert Chambers in the 19th century" or similar? -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)