# Talk:Xenoblade Chronicles (video game)

They should definitely be merged, as they are one in the same. "Monado" was revealed to be a working title for what is now "Xenoblade", and it's been reported as such by any number of credible video game websites. Sergecross73 (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Xenoblade has thus far gone unmentioned at E3 2011 according to 1UP.  I thought others might be interested to know.  I'm inexperienced with Wikipedia, so feel free to move/edit/delete this comment.   --Psonar (talk) 17:16, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I'll add it if it's still true once E3 is completely over. In theory, they could show it in the last day, maybe as an effort to not take attention away from 3ds/WiiU stuff... Sergecross73 msg me  17:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Is this game coming to Australia?--210.56.91.82 (talk) 13:15, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum, but as you can see on the article it has been classified in Australia, as Wikipedia isn't a forum I'm not going any further than that. --sss333 (talk) 09:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

With all the new reviews now in, in typical wiki fashion the reception is merely a string of praise. We might need to get quotes of certain aspects that were praised, not to mention along with a few criticisms to, basically a rewrite or at least re-formating. Stabby Joe (talk) 01:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Given that Xenoblade has received universal critical acclaim among all of the Metacritic and Game Rankings approved review sites thus far, a 'string of praise' seems a fair reflection of the game's reception to date. 90.203.74.153 (talk) 00:19, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Erm, no. For the sake of neutrality, negative aspects are required to be mentioned. Of course anything would be brief and minor since yes it was very positive. But it doesn't have 100% and many other games with higher score do still have cons. Stabby Joe (talk) 16:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

It might be worthwhile to add that in the PAL version, they have put this on a dual layer disc due to having two language dubs: English and Japanese. It might also serve as a warning to readers about the potential recurring issue you can have with such discs. Would you be able to add this please?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.74.226 (talk) 05:21, 25 September 2011 (UTC) 

If there's anyone else who can add to the Synopsis component to the article—in the UK, or Australia, or anywhere—"right now" would be a good time!
—Player017 (talk) 11:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

We need a section reserved for the game's setting, since the game's so long. Can you guys try to do this? I'll try to edit and otherwise later.
-Player017 (talk) 22:26, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean exactly? Can't that just be touched on in the "story" section? Sergecross73 msg me  22:41, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, the game has a lot of locations, and besides, you wouldn't let me add the required subsections to the Synopsis section, like for the main story (see above). Plus, we need to do something about the Characters section; it's like a third wheel. The whole article, in fact, should be modeled after other articles for video games, like Kingdom Hearts II and Persona 4. -Player017 (talk) 07:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
I thought it was a sign showing you were going to start making things overly lengthy. I've currently been working on video game article that are light on plot, so there it'd be unnecessary, but it appears those subsections are common for articles for games like these, so go for it. Just make sure to write it with a neutral point of view -- don't make it sound like an advertisement or the back of the game box... Sergecross73 msg me  12:44, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Got it. -Player017 (talk) 17:25, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

It looks like the Synopsis section has bloated. We need people who can help "trim out the fat." -Player017 (talk) 07:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I dont' know the plot, so it's hard to tell sometimes what exactly should be cut, but here's some pointers:
You, or whoever keeps doing it, should stop adding filler like "Or so they thought". That sounds like a narrator or a movie preview. It's supposed to sound like an encyclopedia. Not to mention, it doesn't serve much of a purpose; the following paragraph pretty quickly shows that the peace doesn't last.
The plot summary shouldn't be a play-by-play, otherwise it's going to get far too lengthy. For instance, As an anxious Shulk followed him being carried out on a stretcher, Dunban whispered in his ear how the Monado was "controlling me," could be shortened down to something like Dunban expressed concerns to Shulk of the Monado controlling him. A lot of those other ideas aren't that important to the overall story.
Overall, remember it's a plot summary, not the paperback version... Sergecross73 msg me  12:49, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. -Player017 (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I've edited this to state he has eleven children (plus a couple of minor edits to the grammar): This is stated in one of the later Heart-to-Hearts (not something I can actually cite as a reference, unfortunately). 90.216.42.6 (talk) 00:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.42.6 (talk) 00:38, 8 October 2011 (UTC) 
Okay, nice work. I'll see if I can add that to a Xenoblade Chronicles Characters article. Speaking of which, can you guys modify the Synopsis section to have the Characters above the Prologue/Story? (see Persona 4's for format ideas.)
-Player017 (talk) 06:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

As I've mention before, for balance a con would be required to be mentioned. Of course given the game's reception, anything would be brief and not give undue weight since it was mostly positive. However a game of mostly 9/10s isn't perfect yet currently it's nothing but praise (even games with higher scores have some cons). What recurring complaint would one argue to be notable? Stabby Joe (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. A point I've seen mentioned in a few areas, despite praise for the graphics on a whole, that it does look dated compared to what has been done on HD consoles. See the IGN review: http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1187845p2.html  Sergecross73 msg me  17:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
By this point just before it comes out in the US and still nothing? I'll probably end up adding a quote of two then... Stabby Joe (talk) 13:07, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

This may be obvious, but no one's added to the article in a while—and I don't mean that little bit in the Prologue section; I mean adding to (and downsizing) the Story section. I'm sorry if I annoyed you for bringing this up, but this really can't wait.
-Player017 msg me (talk) 04:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

See WP:TIND. If you have access to the game, you can add/expand/trim whatever you want as you see fit, but it's really not other editors' responsibility to improve an article to your standards. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
All I'm saying is, I shouldn't be the only other guy working on this. As for the "standards" part, you're the one who said that.
-017Bluefield (talk)
I'm going to go and agree with Axem here, it's no one's responsibility to work on the article. I personally don't work on it much because I don't have access to playing the game, but at the same time, I don't want to research a ton on the game and then spoil it if I do get the chance to play it in the future. If you really want help, you could always ask Wikiproject Video Games, but if you go about asking like you did just now, I wouldn't expect any help there either. Sergecross73 msg me  13:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

It looks like Xeno is coming to North America after all. [1]. Nice progression of this article so far, and I hope it achieve a similar quality to that of TvC. « ₣M₣ » 16:40, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

That request is for the following Sections:

Gameplay → Battle system
Synopsis → Characters / Prologue
Try using the photos in the Xenoblade Wiki. If you doubt me on the layout, check the Persona 4 article. Oh, and apologies for the annoyance.
-017Bluefield (talk)

As most Wii owner's know, there are many controllers being used for different games. Should we include what type of controller is to be used when playing Xenoblade Chronicles? Or is it already in the article somewhere? It is the classic controller right? (I'm from America so I do not know what controller is used, although my friend tells me it is a classic controller that is needed. I plan on getting the game when it comes out in North America.) I bring this up only because some people may be curious, so why not have the controller information on this article?RadiantCompendium (talk) 04:05, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

The game can be played with either Nunchuck or Classic controller. I added it in the article under gameplay. I hope that helped.74.194.26.92 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC).

The artbook Xenoblade: The Secret File - Monado Archives has an interview with the developers:

p. 4
p. 5
p. 6
p. 7
Hopefully this can be translated and used in the article for development information. Jonathan Hardin' (talk) 14:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes. Very nice. I will see if I can get these translated.. I will get back to you on this topic with a written report once translated. RadiantCompendium (talk) 04:09, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Since this is coming to gamestop exclusively, would it be pertinent to mention the pre-order art book bonus? CiaraMisaki (talk) 00:12, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me, but--where did you hear about that in the US? (do you have a URL or something that can be verified?) -017Bluefield (talk) 07:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Google it. It was pretty widely reported when NA localization was announced. Eurogamer said it. So does Gamestop itself. I've heard you can get it directly through Nintendo's online store too, though I'm not sure that one is true or not. Sergecross73 msg me  10:59, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

The article is missing a development section and the features and gameplay could be better edited.
Also since the game has already been released in America, we should add more NA reviews
The sales should now include the NA sales  — Preceding unsigned comment added by The History Writter Guy (talk • contribs) 04:34, 26 April 2012 (UTC) 

FYI, I don't believe they've released any NA sales yet. (It's only been out a couple weeks anyways. They probably won't say anythings until half way through May when they announce April sales.) Sergecross73 msg me  13:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
THWG's still got a point, though. A lot of video game articles I've read have it ordered: Gameplay, Synopsis, Development, then Reception. (P.S. how did the plot become huge?) -017Bluefield (talk) 07:43, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm curious why this game is tied to the Xeno Series entries (Xenogears and Xenosaga) - It's developed by their creator and has the word "Xeno" in the title, but if you've played the game it's very different from those four. I realize technically the Xenosaga games are not related to Xenogears, though that's the official stance only because of intellectual property rights concerns. I'm willing to admit I may be missing something here in my playthrough of Xenoblade Chronicles, but if I'm not I recommend severing the ties between these articles which implies they are somehow linked in story or setting. 
107.10.51.124 (talk) 01:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

The connection is in name only, the game's director literally says that in an interview. (Even that was changed, it was originally called Monado.) But what ties are you talking about "severing"?  I don't see anything suggesting they are related by plot or setting. It seems appropriate to show a connection to the other games in template form, for example, since they do in fact share similar names and dev team members. Sergecross73 msg me  12:51, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Why does it seem important to add it in template form? Maybe they share the first part of their name. But that is it. Xenosaga does not have a link to Xenogears and Xenoblade. The addition of the links has also only recently been added too Xenogears. So what is the notability besides the first little bit of the title. It would make sense if this was done for other games as well. But we do not. Even with strong related series we do not link to the different games. (Final fantasy, Zelda, etc, etc.)  So I will remove the links from this page and from the Xenogears page if there is no objection. NathanWubs (talk) 22:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Like I asked the person above, which links in particular are you opposed to? Sergecross73 msg me  23:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Like I already explained in my long explanation. I am opposed to all the links to Xenogears and Xenosaga. As they have nothing to do with this game. The reason once more:
1. They other two games have nothing to do with xenoblade besides the word "Xeno". There is no notability between the games besides that.
2. Even with the games that have series like Zelda. There is no linkage in the see also section. There is an info box with it though. But these are actually series so that is logical.
So if the only reason is Xeno is in this title that there are these see also links are in here and there is a consensus to keep them. Then I suggest we are also need to add Xenos, Xeno, Xeno II, Xeno Arena and Xeno Waster. After all they are all games too with the words Xeno in them. I can also make a case that similar dev teams does not matter either for things to be notable. And like the other user said now it seems the games are connected but they are not. NathanWubs (talk) 02:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Gears/Saga/Blade are clearly refered to as a series. For instance, see this reliable source from Wired, where Iwata clearly is quoted as calling it such.
Beyond that, the games, while not connected plot-wise, are in fact related development-wise. All are sci-fi japanese rpgs, all directed by Tetsuya Takahashi, and made by common development staff. (Blade and Saga were made by Monolith Soft, while Gears was made by Squaresoft staff that eventually left and formed Monolith Soft.)
So, as I was saying, if there's a sentence in particular that you feel is inaccurate, by all means, bring it here to discuss. But in a general sense, there's clearly a connection. Sergecross73 msg me  03:14, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Nope, I retract all my statements after reading the source. After all that is what we do. we follow the sources and not our own thoughts. NathanWubs (talk) 03:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

They had nothing to do with the game's development itself, and it is shameless self-promotion.  If even a single member of Operation Rainfall had any form of involvement in the actual development or localization of the game, then maybe they would be relevant.  Unfortunately, they are not.
I request that all mention of them are removed from The Last Story and Pandora's Tower articles as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.80.89 (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC) 

All the information is backed up by reliable sources that are third party sources not affiliated with Project Rainfall. The degree of influence in these games can be debated, so I'm open to discuss the wording, but the fact that the articles are related is undeniable. Please stop removing the entire section unless there is consensus to do so on the talk page. If you continue to remove it without consensus, you may be blocked. Sergecross73 msg me  18:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

FYI, for anyone who still monitors the article, I plan on slowly working on cleaning up and improving the article over time. Still haven't played the game yet, so I won't be working on aspects like story (if someone else wants to do that, great.) but the rest I'll work on. Sergecross73 msg me  14:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20120712124627/http://www.rpgsite.net/interviews/308-adam-howden-interview - This source, was randomly in the article but not attributed to anything in the article. Maybe in the future it could be argued to be used, but I removed it for now. Not sure if its a WP:RS, and I can't fit it into my rewrite efforts at the moment anyways. Sergecross73 msg me  17:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

If somebody ever tries to create a Shulk article, I found this.Tintor2 (talk) 00:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/03/ninterview_meet_adam_howden_voice_actor_for_shulk
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/28334/most-rpg-heroes-end-up-being-hated-monolith/
Thank you, Tintor2, that is something I've contemplated doing. Sergecross73 msg me 02:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/09/02/shulk-fits-in-with-the-sword-slingers-of-super-smash-bros-in-reveal-trailer/
http://www.toledofreepress.com/2014/06/19/smithsonian-video-games-exhibit-debuts-at-tma/
http://www.gamesradar.com/everything-we-know-about-monolith-softs-wii-u-jrpg/ Sergecross73 msg me 00:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

http://www.gamesradar.com/xenoblade-chronicles-beginners-guide/ - Much more detailed than most articles would get into. Great for Gameplay section. Sergecross73 msg me 20:40, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

The standard is to currently "List people who contributed significantly to the soundtrack. Discuss inclusion criteria on a per-game basis on the talk page.", per the infobox video game template page.
In my opinion, it should be re-worded to list composers by how much they contributed (if known, OST liner notes can help) A composer who is known to only have be contracted to write a single song (opening, ending, etc), should not be placed in the infobox if their role in the game is included in the article itself, which it is for Xenoblade. Something similar was agreed upon on the Earthbound talk page, which could also apply here. 
EDIT: I've gone ahead and suggested changes to the infobox itself, with hope of getting a consensus. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:25, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, right now, we can only try it against the current standards, and with the current standards, I think it could be argued that Mitsuda should be mentioned. "Significant" can be sort of vague, but basically, it could be argued that his role was significant considering:
Per the comments from an Iwaata asks, the song was deemed the most important for the game, which was supposed to tie together all of the game's themes.
They felt it was important for him to contribute since he's had extended composer roles in prior Xeno games (Xenogears and Xenosaga 1. Sergecross73 msg me 13:44, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
With the current wording of the standard, fair enough. However, I believe the additions I suggested would stop a lot of controversy regarding things like this, which have happened before on other game articles. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:12, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: Since user 201.141.138.104 just keeps reverting back to his way without being willing to talk or listen, how would you handle "(ending theme only)" being in the infobox? I've seen info like this get removed without any controversy on other articles. For now I think Mitsuda should remain in the infobox until consensus is reached, but without any extra information like that. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:17, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I do agree with you here. Little notes in brackets like that don't belong in infoboxes. The prose in the development section is where it should be detailed what his exact involvement was. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
You want to handle getting it removed then? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:31, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
The user continues to re-add the note without ever coming to the talk page to discuss it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:47, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, and there have been some other not-so-great edits from other IPs as well, ever since the re-release. I've protected the article for a few weeks. Sergecross73 msg me 12:11, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

As evidenced here, an IP keeps replacing the "sci-fi" term with "fantasy". I have no problem with fantasy being used, but I'm against sci-fi being removed. I've been told to "just check the link", but none of the edits have contained a reference or functioning link in the edit summaries. Sergecross73 msg me 00:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

The quote he is refering to is: (source)
"GamesBeat: This is more of a spiritual successor to the last game. Is that deliberate? Xenoblade Chronicles was more of a fantasy, whereas this one is about refugees from Earth specifically. Did you deliberately want to ground the story closer to reality?
Takahashi: The simplest answer, probably, is that I felt like, after working on a fantasy setting, it might be nice to try something new. Science fiction is a great change of pace. It’s a really interesting flavor." ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Xenoblade Chronicles/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: AdrianGamer (talk · contribs) 09:40, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

 The game features navigation through an open world - wikilink open world
are in a perpetual war with the Machina machine race of Mechonis. - wikilink perpetual war
Announced at E3 2009 may not be significantly enough to be mentioned in the lead. Simply trim it to "The game was announced in 2009 under its original title"
A spiritual successor by the same development for the Wii U - by the same development "team"
 with the time of day often affecting in-game events, quests, enemy strengths, and item availability. - Any examples how time of day affect events?
rather than relying on save points - not really necessary in my opinion
which generally allows the player to visit whatever can be seen in the horizon. - "allow"
One strong point these quests possess is automatic completion - strong point sounds like point of view.
in-game characters of its completion - "their"
an entire chart is completed - What chart? The article never mentioned any chart before. Does it refer to the "Collectopedia"?
which grants the player to participate in a multifaceted "Gem Crafting" mini-game - Can be rephrased to "which give the player access to a multifaceted "Gem Crafting" mini-game"
The game also has extensive customization - Can be rephrased to "The game also has an extensive customization system."
Player or the player. Choose one
finite amount of health points - You should add a remark, telling readers that its abbreviation is "HP"
which allows the characters to grow stronger by leveling up and learning new Arts. - "allow"
successfully land hits on the enemy players - What are "enemy players"?
 using Artes with special effects, and avoiding or dealing critical hits. - "Arts"
Where do these colonies come from? The setting section doesn't seem to explain that well. It simply says "colony" but does not say anything about how they get divided etc. This is optional. You can ignore this if sources do not cover this.
brought in to work on the game systems - which system?
When Xenoblade Chronicles began development - Should be written in passive voice
The decision not to transition between the environment and a battle arena was chosen by Takahashi as he felt such a transition would negatively interrupt the flow of gameplay. - I don't understand this. Does this still refer to the turn-based system or something separate?
The game utilizes a fully open world - Rephrase it to "The game features a fully open world"
which entailed the creating of a huge amount of content such as items and accessories - "creation"
Takahashi wanted him to speak. - Is there a reason?
bug fixes, minor adjustments to gameplay balance - wikilink "bug"
The New 3DS' increased power made the port possible, and its button layout meant that the original Wii Classic Controller button layout - incomplete sentence
To maintain framerate and the seamless transitions between environments, multiple technical tricks were used. - "frame rate". What technical tricks did they actually used
That was a very well-written development/ release section. Well done
seen as a great improvement for the genre - Does critics mention in what ways they are improved?
I expect a much longer reception section, but its current length is acceptable
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors: 

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list: 

Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section: 

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: 

C. No original research: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: 

B. Focused: 

Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: 

Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc: 

Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content: 

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 

Overall it is a well-written article, supported by lots of reliable sources. When all the minor problems raised above are addressed the article should be good to go.  AdrianGamer (talk) 03:47, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

@AdrianGamer: I've addressed everything I could. And as to the points I could not easily settle: the Colonies did not have specifics surrounding them, there was nothing further about the reasons for Shulk being given a voice, they did not say what technical tricks were used, and looking through the reviews was like standing in an echo chamber so I couldn't make that section very large. Something I must say: kudos to Sergecross73 for doing a sizable amount of work on this article before I came here, which provided a wonderful base from which to work. --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:23, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
With all the issues fixed, Xenoblade Chronicles is now a . Congratulations to both of you! AdrianGamer (talk) 11:33, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

There is a ridiculous amount of citations in the "Critical Reception" section of the article. One statement is backed up by 14 citations! Seriously, when a claim is brought forward by "multiple critics", you should choose 2 or 3 citations, not 14! There's also a statement backed up by 10 citations, and there are other statements in the paragraph that do not need as many citations. If someone knows how to choose which sources would be best to keep, could you please clean this up?--IAmACowWhoIsMad (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Are you referring to some sort of guideline, or is this just your own personal opinion? I'm not sure where you're coming up with this stuff, especially considering it passed it WP:GA review in this state. The statements that are heavily sourced are pretty bold statements, so it's just showing that the statement is in fact warranted. Sergecross73 msg me 11:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Usually citation like this gets dinked with more stringent review than GA (I've seen such before, anyway). I have to agree that looking at citation upon citation is a little daunting, and a little annoying for the end-user. The problem, of course, is that we have no single source in the article, removed by a few years from the release of the game, to say "this game was viewed by critics at the time as a highlight of the genre [and is still viewed as such]". Such a source would fix the problem for us. See below for one way to deal with the "overcitation" in this case. --Izno (talk) 13:05, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm fine with your efn approach, if that makes everyone happy. I just don't see much of a real problem here. So often, the issue is the opposite, where bold (often dubious) claims like this are made with really weak sourcing. (You know, your Xenosaga 2 was the highest rated JRPG of 2005. Source: Jim and Frank's Awesome Video Game Blog type stuff.) ProtoDrake and I actually went the extra mile to make sure the claims like this could actually be backed up. They're commonly all put together because many of the reviews all said the same thing essentially. ("We wish this game was on a system stronger than the Wii", etc.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm more than fine with the efn approach. I've done it, and yeah the reception section does look better for it. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
It could probably just be written differently, spacing the citations apart without removing them. I do think that 14 for one sentence is overkill, but having a section "overcited" is still better than it having none at all.  ~ Dissident93 (talk)  12:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
One way to deal with this is as in this edit. --Izno (talk) 13:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Just a brief comment.
Xenoblade CHronicles isn't an Action RPG at all, not if you follow what on this site is defined as an ARPG.
It should be changed to RPG.
Sure, it doesn't have a turn based combat, but clearly it isn't something like Kingdom Hearths, The Last Story or the recent FF XV.
It is one of the many example of modern RPG, just as Dragon Age Origins.
Check the list, you have DA2 and DAI but not DAO. 
Just as you don't have FF 12 between the action Rpg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.95.143.123 (talk) 

I don't think the label is necessarily fundamentally wrong unless its applied to a turn-based RPG, which this game is not.
Since genre is a rather subjective thing, we often go by what reliable sources say (That's really the the whole premise of Wikipedia, but especially in these instances.) In that case, reliable sources do label it as an action RPG. If its not used prominently, they it doesn't neccessarily have to be used, but it doesn't really appear to be outright wrong. Sergecross73 msg me 17:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if a review is reliable or not, but Nintendo's listing called has the genre listed as "Role-Playing" while in the detail description says "A robust action RPG battle system blending real-time combat and RPG strategy". Not confusing at all. Snstar2006 (talk) 00:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

People keep edit warring over this. Honestly, to me, it straddles the line between the two, so I get it. But we don’t go by personal opinions on Wikipedia, we go by what reliable sources most commonly say. So we need to look at that. Sergecross73 msg me 23:49, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I would say it's a remake, since the game is recreated using a new engine (the one used to develop Torna: The Golden Country), and the 3D models have been upgraded + re-orchestrated music. A remaster will only be a texture update with no model upgrade at all like Wind Waker HD or Twilight Princess HD. If there is a controversy, at least keep it remake/remaster so that it covers both sides and make the readers decide which one it is. I even included a link to an GameSpot article that called it a remake. If another GameSpot article was cited to determine it was a remaster before, what makes one article of the same site more reliable than the other? Snstar2006 (talk) 00:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I don’t disagree, but we need to stick to what sources say though. That needs to be be the centerpiece of our reasoning. Didn’t you provide a source in one if your edits? EDIT: You edited your comment to include it.  Sergecross73 msg me 00:41, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes I included that last time I edited, but someone removed my content along with my citation. Snstar2006 (talk) 00:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Yup, and GameSpot is a reliable source that states it very directly. Unless someone starts showing evidence that remaster is used more frequently by reliable sources, remake should be used. Sergecross73 msg me 13:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
With one source from Nintendolife with Takahashi said it's a remaster, however this is still base on the marketing term. Therefore I say besides of calling it a remake, should there be a footnote of sourcing Nintendo regarding the game as remaster? Sponge123 (talk) 17:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
I think we should wait and see - there’s going to be a huge influx of reviews coming out in a few days. It may be a lot clearer at that point. The Takahashi source is persuasive though. There’s no inherent promotional advantage for him to call it a remaster, it’s not like that term helps sell units or something. Sergecross73 msg me 17:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
With almost nearly 5 months after the release of the Definitive Edition, it seems that even the reviews has been somewhat diverse on the matter, news outlets like Polygon, and IGN's review called it a remaster (Albeit the review does have some controversies such as incorrect pronunciations on character's names). Whereas others like Eurogamer say its "More an expanded re-release than a remaster"[2], PCMag even said called it a port[3]. My own conclusion is that Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition is somewhere between a remaster and a remake. But how we should call the game is the most complicated one, is it appropriate to be vague and not using both remake and remaster? And instead to just use terms like enhanced version, Ultimate version, Definitive Edition?Sponge123 (talk) 07:05, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

From current coverage of the new game, would it not be best to split the remake into it's own article. It seems that it would be notable enough. 178.83.233.23 (talk) 08:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

No, at least not yet. There’s not a ton to say. Everything we know fits pretty well into that small section about it right now. Sergecross73 msg me 12:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Well, almost all video games remakes have their own article correct? Even games that has mostly visual improvements like Shadow of the Colossus on Playstation 4 has its own article. So I agree with Serecross73 here, Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition should have its own article since it's a remake, but I also think it is best to wait until the video game is out and have more information on the remake's development, reception and sales and then make its own article.Sponge123 (talk) 09:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion there should be, or at least one on Future Connected, the addition to the remake. I mean the expansion pack for Xenoblade 2 got one, why should this? Granted I won't do it because I've never played Xenoblade. Captain Galaxy (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The best way to argue in favor of splitting the article into another one would be expanding the content here first. As is, I still don’t see the need for another article. There’s not much else to be said outside of a short paraphrasing of the events of Future Connected. Sergecross73 msg me 00:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Just dropping here a few articles I found that I think would be useful when making an article for the Definitive Edition. In my opinion, it should be made in the same style that the Link's Awakening (2019) article was made, plus a section for the new epilogue.

https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/jenna-coleman-confirmed-as-melia-in-xenoblade-chronicles-definitive-edition/
https://wccftech.com/xenoblade-chronicles-definitive-edition-visuals/
https://nintendowire.com/news/2020/05/29/monolith-soft-was-created-to-specifically-to-try-and-develop-xenogears-2/
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/features/preview-xenoblade-chronicles/
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/05/yes_jenna_coleman_does_reprise_her_role_in_xenoblade_chronicles_definitive_edition
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/05/monolith_soft_took_care_to_avoid_impacting_its_new_game_while_working_on_xenoblade_remaster
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/53844/jenna-coleman-reprising-role-of-meila-in-xenoblade-chronicles-definitive-edition
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xenoblade-director-reveals-epilogue-length/1100-6477511/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2020/06/07/monolith-soft-and-nintendo-explain-how-xenoblade-chronicles-definitive-edition-came-to-the-switch/
https://gonintendo.com/stories/362562-monolith-soft-shares-more-insight-into-the-creation-of-xenoblade
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-05-31-xenoblade-chronicles-definitive-edition-takes-no-1-uk-charts
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-05-13-xenoblade-chronicles-definitive-edition-feels-like-the-xenoblade-formula-perfected
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/05/monolith_softs_takahashi_tetsuya_talks_xenoblade_chronicles_definitive_edition_in_this_translated_famitsu_interview
Alt (talk) 10:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Nintendo Enthusiast, GoNintendo, and Forbes contributors are all unusable sources on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 12:46, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Good to know, thanks. I've crossed them out as they might still be useful to find other sources. Alt (talk) 13:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Maybe Definitive Edition can have its own section in the original article? Similar to how Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga added the 3DS version of the game Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions , since both of the games have a very similar approach of re releasing on newer consoles. Such as both games have noticeable visual and graphic improvements, remasterd music, quality of life improvements, and adds an extra story line that wasn't in the original game.Sponge123 (talk) 07:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with this. People should be considered adding new sections to existing articles before they consider standalone articles. A single paragraph would properly explain what the DE is about without having to use filler on a standalone article to avoid making it a stub. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:55, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok, but if it's just a small section, the original already has one in the re release version. I personally hope there can be a main section for Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition so it won't confuse others thinking that this version is just a typical re release.Sponge123 (talk) 05:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I've been thinking of taking a crack at a summary of Future Connected (which may be better suited to the Definitive Edition article if one gets made), but I've got one sticking point. One of the major characters in the campaign is Tyrea, a character that appeared briefly in the main game but has an expanded role in FC. She has a pre-existing relationship with Melia that is an important part of her character and their dynamic, but I'm having trouble finding a clear way of summarizing it. To explain, Melia is the daughter of Emperor Sorean and an unnamed human woman; her half-brother Kallian is the son of Sorean and his High Entia consort Yumea; and Tyrea is Kallian's half-sister, as she is the daughter of Yumea and an unnamed human man. Thus the two technically both are and are not sisters (something the game addresses repeatedly), and I'm not quite sure how to clearly parse that into words. Simply calling her "the half-sister of Melia's half-brother", while accurate, reads a little clunkily to me, and I'm curious if I should just settle for that or try to find another means of phrasing it. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Tyrea's backstory in the game is considered spoiler so this wouldn't be ideal to mention this is the article. Not to mention the Definitive Edition whether being a remake or remaster is still searching for a middle ground for now, so there might not be an article for Definitive Edition for now. As someone who did play the game though and check other sources, the best way of phrasing it is just say "Half-sibling".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sponge123 (talk • contribs) 07:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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