# Talk:Robert Rossen

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### General
Robert Rossen (.filmreference.com) - w. biblio; by Doug Tomlinson
Robert Rossen (NY Times) - short; who produced w RR.
Robert Rossen (NY Times) - "longer"


### Early life
Only scraps about Rossen's personal life. I Googled until I was blue in the face - and no bio of Rossen on Google. I even asked New York University, where Rossen studied, for help but they had nothing. A Very Dangerous Citizen: Abraham Lincoln Polonsky and the Hollywood Left (by Paul Buhle & Dave Wagner) says (p 249) "Rossen has no proper biography" - the book says Casty's book (1969) is the nearest to a bio. --Philcha (talk) 09:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


### Stage career in NY
### Hollywood career to 1949
### Communism & HUAC
The Films of Robert Rossen (Alan Casty; Film Quarterly, Vol. 20, No. 2; Winter, 1966-1967)
[www.manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/uploads/docs/FSTU7-5-.pdf The Hollywood Left: Robert Rossen and Postwar Hollywood] (Brian Neve; Film Studies, Issue 7, Winter 2005)
Red Holly in Transition (Brian Neve; in "Un-American" Hollywood: politics and film in the blacklist era; ed Frank Krutnik)
MacCarthysism ... and the Caper Film [Geoff Mayer; in Encyclopedia of film noir, ed Geoff Mayer, Brian McDonnell) - HUAC dashed social aspirations of new NY Jew film & theatre figures.
What Was It like to Have a Blacklisted Father? (David Eliscu; Cinema Journal, Vol. 44, No. 4, Summer, 2005)
"Un-American" Hollywood (pp 184ff) looks like paydirt. --Philcha (talk) 22:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


### Marriage & family
### Career 1953 to end
### Rest of life
### Reception
The Films of Robert Rossen (Alan Casty; Film Quarterly, Vol. 20, No. 2; Winter, 1966-1967)
Red Holly in Transition (Brian Neve; in "Un-American" Hollywood: politics and film in the blacklist era; ed Frank Krutnik)
The Method of Rossen's Late Films (Daniel Millar; Journal of American Studies, Vol. 6, No. 3, Dec., 1972)
about RR rewrote The Seawolf
A Change of Pattern? (Kenneth Macgowan; Hollywood Quarterly, Vol. 1, No. 2, Jan., 1946) - RR playscript
Remembrances of Things Past (Lawrence Sturhahn; The North American Review, Vol. 264, No. 4, Winter, 1979) - asides re Lilith
Films of the Year (various; Film Quarterly, Vol. 15, No. 2, Winter, 1961-1962) - re Hustler
Abraham Polonsky and "Force of Evil" (William Pechter and Abraham Polonsky; Film Quarterly, Vol. 15, No. 3, Spring, 1962) - RR's contribution
The Body Possessed (Dorothea Fischer-Hornung; in Embodying liberation: the Black body in American dance, ed. Dorothea Fischer-Hornung, Alison D. Goeller)
A Fastasy Straight Out of Broolyn (Tony Williams; p 42; in The Brooklyn film: essays in the history of filmmaking, ed. John B. Manbeck, Robert Singer)
The Vanishing Heroine (Stephen Farber; The Hudson Review, Vol. 27, No. 4, Winter, 1974-1975)
Films beginning with B part 2 (guardian) - Body and Soul


### Credits
Robert Rossen (IMDb)
Robert Rossen: Credits (Variety) - and stars etc. for each work

Can anyone help with any of these?


### Marriage(s)
(update - will update if/when out sources commented)
Robert Rossen (filmreference.com) says RR married Sue Siegel in 1954. The source is Doug Tomlinson, a researcher & critic, so I'd treat this as reliable:

Guide to the Jay and Si-lan Chen Leyda Papers 1913-1987
Exiles in Hollywood: major European film directors in America p. 233
More than a method: trends and traditions in contemporary film performance Page v
But RR's son Stephen died 2007 at 67, i.e. was born 1940, see Paid Notice: Deaths: Rossem, Stephen, M. in NY Times April 19, 2007. At sometime Stephen wrote about the impact of RR's troubles with the HUAC, which is consistent with Stephen's being a boy at the time. On the other hand Ellen married in 1992 (Weddings; Ellen Rossen, Av Westin, in NY Times October 25, 1992). All this suggests Stephen was the sons by a 1st marriage in the 1930s, while Ellen looks more like a daughter of the 1950s. However, there seems no evidence of a first marriage in the 1930s. --Philcha (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


### Buhle & co's book & quote
At Buhle, Paul and Dave Wagner (2002). Radical Hollywood: The Untold Story Behind America's Favorite Movies. New York, The New Press. ISBN 1565847180. p. 386 - described as Rossen's "triumph and very likely his corruption". The only commentary I can find is Book Review: Radical Hollywood: The Untold Story Behind America, which criticises the quote as unexplained and the book as full of doctrinaire leftism. --Philcha (talk) 22:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Robert Rossen/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk) 22:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I will review. Pyrotec (talk) 22:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! --Philcha (talk) 09:04, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


### Overall summary
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

A well-referenced and apparenly comprehensive article on a film director.
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I'm awarding this article GA status. Congratulations on producing a fine article.
Whilst it does not pertain directly to the article, I was somewhat surprised by the statement (and red link): The Hollywood Writers Mobilization Against the War, a body to organize writers for the effort in World War II. The title "The Hollywood Writers Mobilization Against the War" seems to be a direct contradiction of the explantion "a body to organize writers for the effort in World War II", but as that article does not exist I can't check it. Pyrotec (talk) 14:23, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

The lede is WAY too much.  Much of it is repetition of what comes later.  Plus, it is chronologically perverse, starting off in 1949 then  jumping back to the 1930s; it seems to be a lede that has its own lede.  People who are far better known and had a far greater influence on the world than Rossen don't merit a lede that's anything like as detailed as this one is.  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 02:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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