# Talk:Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II

I find it irritating to see this used in an anglicized plural ("flauto traversos"). Why not just "flutes", which is the common English designation? Jmar67 (talk) 03:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

I know to little about Italian and French vs. English instrument names. Key thing is to avoid the impression that Bach wrote for the metal flutes which we have as Western concert flutes and which you still hear in concerts and ecordings. "Transverse flute"? I don't know how common the use is. To have an Italian plural for the flutes, but an Enlish plural for the oboes seems sort of inconsistent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
ps: I wonder if transverse flute would even mean flauto traverso, and not more generally any flute blown sideways. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Just write traverso or traversos (without the "flauto") on first mention, and without the wikilink on subsequent usage. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:53, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry that I see this only now. I think that "flauto traverso" would be closer to "flute" which the average reader might know. Nikkimaria uses "transverse flute". I am not happy with "Tra" for an abbreviation which has no flute "f". Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Note that these are currently (in our wiki-verse) not the same:
transverse flute goes to a quite problematic short article, which should probably be merged to the Western concert flute article
traverso goes to the "baroque"-related section of an extended article containing the history of the Western concert flute.
flauto traverso goes to the same place as the latter. Note, however, that that entire extended article does not contain the word "flauto": not once, so I'd rather avoid it (the expression, and the link).
--Francis Schonken (talk) 15:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Sigh, perhaps that article should change. Looking at the Carus edition, all instruments in the music are given in Italian, using Italian plurals while on the tilte page, they are simply called "flutes". Where may we have something to make the connection? Baroque instruments? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
To make things more complicated, Bach Digital has "traverse flutes" in the English version. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)