# Talk:Windows Server 2012

Here, Microsoft refers to this OS as "Windows 8 Server"; however, I have seen little other authoritative sources confirming that as the final name.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

MSDN lit as Windows Server "8" Beta.Smallman12q (talk)

Someone copied a line directly from the WS8 Beta Requirements which was not at all clear as pasted. Particularly, "Upgrades to this version (the beta) from Windows Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 R2 are supported. You will not be able to upgrade to subsequent (beta/RC) releases from this (beta) release." Without the added words, the sentence meant that upgrades to Server 2012 from 2008/2008R2 were supported, but upgrades to the next post-2012 version of Windows Server would not be supported, which is completely untrue.
To summarize, the WS8 beta requirements and conditions were specific to the WS8 beta, and SHOULD NOT be presented as requirements/conditions for Windows Server 2012 in general. Mistranslations did occur.Forge64 (talk) 17:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Windows Server 2012 to have no support for Itanium-based computers. Oracle/Sun were sued by HP because Oracle has stopped releasing software for Itanium. Now that Microsoft has stopped supporting Itanium for future software does that mean HP or Intel will try to sue Microsoft ?
--tygrus (talk) 03:43, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
isinya kamseupay :p  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.111.116.66 (talk) 08:26, 23 August 2012 (UTC) 

Chances of you seeing this are slim, but I'll reply anyway.  No, it doesn't.  The basis of HP filing against Oracle was that when an exec left HP to work for Oracle there was an agreement that Oracle would continue supporting the Itanium architecture HP was happily turning a profit off.  When Oracle announced they were dropping the dead donkey HP sensed a massive impending loss of revenue and filed suit to force Oracle to prop up what is basically a failing business model.  Intel only support Itanium because HP has paid them quite a chunk of money to do so.  At this point I don't think Microsoft has any investment in either direction, but each release requires porting to be done and the market was shrinking, hence good business decision. See http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/hp-wins-itanium-case-88150 Nazzy (talk) 04:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

The only reliable sources I could find were [1] and [2], but these appear to have been synthesized from Windows Server 2008 R2's editions by TechSoup. Should this be included? I don't think so because there appear to be no other sources.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:17, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Please update screenshot of Windows Server 2012 Start Screen.
http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/story/70/00/001872/original/wse-2012-metrostartscreen-620x464.jpg?hash=Awp4ZwqwLG&upscale=1

Hi. In order to replace the screenshot, we need a link to the page on which this new image appears. Sorry for inconvenience, but Wikipedia has to take copyright matters more than seriously. (It cannot afford being sued.) Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 12:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Windows Server 2012/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: ErrantX (talk · contribs) 08:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I am happy to review this. Upon a first pass I think it needs a little work to hit GA status, I will leave some comments below and go through the prose later:

The lead is very short of an article of this length and does not actually cover very much of the actual article content. See WP:LEAD
Similarly, material exists in the lead that does not appear to be covered in the article. So that all needs some work (some sort of introductory section could use most of the lead, and let you rewrite the whole lead).
I don't see any reaction/reviews or response, merely technical details. Although fairly new, such coverage should exist - e.g. this example.
I'll place the article on hold for the time being --Errant (chat!) 08:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

All understood, except the part "some sort of introductory section could use most of the lead, and let you rewrite the whole lead)".--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I just meant that the material currently in the lead should be in the history section and all of that then summarised as part of a new lead. Make more sense? --Errant (chat!) 10:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
A more detailed review of the current prose:

History
build; does this word need explaining on first use (not sure)
was reportedly leaked to file-sharing sites in ; is WinRumours a RS? Also, that source is the one doing reporting - so "reportedly" seems to be editorialising.
window style; this could be confusing (window vs. Windows). If I understand it right this relate to Metro, so perhaps bring the Metro comments up to here, explain what it is, and say that this was the first look
Most of the first paragraph appears to lack any source!
[3] goes to a 404 page, and is probably not a reliable source anyway.
Naming section is rather short - it also seems like the original name should be noted at the beginning of the history section.
Features
Windows Server 2012 includes a number of new features or feature changes.; what purpose does this sentence serve? Can it be expanded on (perhaps with critical coverage to the overall feature-set).
Server Manager has been redesigned with an emphasis on easing management of multiple servers.; what is server manager? Also, sounds like marketing release :D consider rewording.
Server Core mode'; details of this mode??
There is also command auto-completion; sentence fragment, consider revising.
More later. I hope I am not being too harsh here - I'd say the core of the article is there, it just needs finesse. --Errant (chat!) 10:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

"build" probably does not need explanation, beyond perhaps saying that it is a development revision of the software. Probably we can delete WinRumours references, as well as Winunleaked. I don't believe "There is also command auto-completion" is a fragment, but I should try to revise that too.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
It's a fragment because the subject is at best vague (sentence clauses require a subject and a verb). In this case what is the fragment referring to? Windows 8, Metro UI or Command Powershell - it could reasonably all of them (though I think you mean the former on careful consideration). --Errant (chat!) 18:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Note: Hi. There is an active dispute in the article. This dispute has been active since 12 October 2012. See this talk page and this DRN case and finally article's talk page (in chronological order). Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Is there likely to be any movement on this in the nest couple of days? Usually nominators are given 7 days to address GAR notes, but I like ot leave it a little longer. However, after 20 days there seems to have been no significant work on the points above so I am inclined to archive this. --Errant (chat!) 09:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello, ErrantX. For the time being, the issue seems resolved. We achieved a consensus, albeit a weak one. I inserted an RfC and sent notices to WikiProject Microsoft but received no input through those channels. So, I went ahead and implemented the consensus, which for the time being seems uncontested. That is the situation as I see it. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 19:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm not too worried about what colour is picked, that is "bike shedding" and not really relevant to this GAR :) --Errant (chat!) 21:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi. There is little doubt that this issue is not a GAC#5 barrier. There isn't really an edit war going on and although there is a content dispute, there isn't day to day changes. So, yes, I concur with you. But then, why did you ask this question in the first place? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 23:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Ummm, yeh. I meant it as a general question on this GAR. --Errant (chat!) 15:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Given all the edits due to the above issue, I'm not sure if the issues have been addressed. In either case, this article should now be passed or failed based on if the reviewer is satisfied. Wizardman 00:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I have failed this article's nomination due to plaigirism being present in the article.
More details can be found on the assessment page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Windows_Server_2012/GA2 
Retrolord (talk) 00:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

There is no reason to hastily fail it when the issue has been fixed rather quickly.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:53, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

1.) Server 2008 is based on the NT 6.0 codebase (Server 2003 was NT 5.2 codebase); Server 2008 R2 was based on NT 6.1 cdoebase; Server 2012 is based on NT 6.2 codebase. Programatic errors in Server 2003, e.g. DPC Interrupts ("to be fixed in 6.1"), are still un-fixed in Server 2012.
2.) Windows codebase NT 6+ virtualizes the Windows OS itself. "Bare metal" Hyper-V itself can be run as a Vdisk from EFI boot. The article implies Hyper-V capabilities are new with Server 2012. On the subject of Hyper-V, Server 2012 and Win8 Hyper-V have radical hardware requirements that exclude older legacy software (this is a critical point for many businesses, also reinforcing the article's blatant parroting of Microsoft press releases.)
3a.) Itanium, MS Devs were told by Intel that it was still an "alpha" product. MS taking the same stance when designing NT for the (missing in action) Intel N-10 (codename for the i860). Intel was getting on the bandwagon for "massively parallel computing" based on HP PA-Risc designs; we currently see that in GPUs that perform many tasks per instruction, and Military systems like the Cray. They require special recompiler compilers and MS (and Intel) programmers are just not that smart (i.e. parallel computing streams require synchronization). The AMD 64-bit extensions and multi-core CPUs killed the need.
3b.) Microsoft continues to write the x86 HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) however CPU manufacturers write the HAL for their CPUs (hence no windows 8 or server 2012 on ARM). The HAL provides support for Windows "Native Mode" (e.g. XBox), of which everything else is built (well that also brings up EFI and BIOS support). HP did Itanium HAL, just as DEC did Alpha HAL, IBM did PowerPC HAL, NEC did MIPS HAL, etc. Note that AMD contributed to the Windows x64 HAL (and Intel copied the x64 extensions), otherwise we would still be running 32 bit Windows. (If you use the MS Embedded tools, there are emulators and code support for Windows Compact Edition on other CPUs, but MS notes that it is provided by manufacturers of embedded hardware, not by Microsoft.)
4.) "Installation options" section it a bit confused, could use a rewrite. And PowerShell 3.0? Powershell can be run at the command line but does require that user mode GUI components be installed.
5.) "Essentials" is the follow-on to Small Business Server 2011 Essentials and as such does allow Active Directory integration with Microsoft Online Services AKA Office365. HyperV role will install but need to turn off error messages/system complaints. Ditto with running Essentials atop Hyper-V.
6.) Server 2012 "bare metal" Hyper-V can be installed at no cost. As I noted in #2 above, the VLAN IP Address control is part of HyperV and Native Windows virtualization.
7.) The Server 2012 beta had Active Directory dependencies on IPv4 (similar to Server 2008 R2) configuration. I question "full support for IPv4 and IPv6". This may be too technical, but the Server Migration Tool (and Forefront Identity Manager) does create an Active Directory federation between two servers (e.g. SBS to Essentials).
Shjacks45 (talk) 09:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Do you have reliable sources for that allegation? In my opinion it does not merit mention in the article per WP:DUE.
Hyper-V Server 2012 is internally the same as Windows Server 2012, and it was in this fashion that Microsoft introduced Hyper-V here.
But what do you suggest for the article here?
Please be specific.
Do you have reliable sources for that? Note that if Microsoft doesn't officially support installation of Hyper-V, we can't include it in the chart just based on that.
But what does that suggest for the article?
IPv4/IPv6 full support only applies to IPAM.
--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Before I begin the merge that's prescribed by the result of the deletion discussion, I'm seeking feedback on how we should lay it out. I know it should be mentioned in the History section, but how are we going to accommodate the new features of Windows Server 2012 R2? The way the Features and Editions sections are organized now doesn't yield immediate answers to this.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Just open a "Windows Server 2013 R2" section before "Reception" and move almost everything there. (History can be dealt with when there is enough contents to add.) The infobox needs to go. Wordings need to change so it no longer look like a lead section. Oh, and the most difficult thing is associating one footnote for each feature. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The section should be opened after "Reception" (and all other sections), not before, for consistency with Windows 8.1. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
(@Codename Lisa) The problem is that in my opinion, the article would be rather disorganized in that form. I wouldn't think that could work if this article is to keep its GA status.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi. We will eventually have additions to history section, but at this time, you'll find the merged contents shrink. Anyway, you worry too much. Just dive into action and you see how things begin to fit nicely. There is no person more capable of deciding what fits best than one who is already involved with it. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 02:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
I disagree with the merge.  This is more than just a service pack.  It's between the way 2008 and 2008R2 differ and a typical service pack.  Also:

"Unlike the client Windows 8.1 update, which will be free to existing Windows 8 users, the new wave of server updates are all paid updates, including Windows Server 2012 R2. This means that customers who paid full price for their licenses will have to pay again to upgrade. Software Assurance customers, however, will receive the new versions as part of their subscription."Hceuterpe (talk) 19:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I compared it to Windows Server 2003 R2, which was a pretty minor update. Consensus was to make the merge in the deletion discussion of the article.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Hceuterpe. I am afraid you are late; twelve years late, to be accurate. You should have been present at the time WP:CRYSTAL was ratified, although I offer no comment as to whether you could do anything to stop it from being effective. In any case, this is the decision of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows Server 2012 R2. It is out of our hands now, unless sufficient independent sources to substantiate a split comes to the light. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/4/B/04BD0EB1-42FE-488B-919F-3981EF9B2101/WS2012_Licensing-Pricing_Datasheet.pdf. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you.  Codename Lisa (talk) 12:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. I am sorry for copy-paste --WikiCle (talk) 13:28, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

So the plain/non-R2 2012 couldn't? When was this removed (2008?) Someone not using his real name (talk) 12:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi.
A very strange assertion. Virtual machine usually use SCSI hard disk controllers and virtual machine boot up just fine. In fact, so long as BIOS or UEFI can find it, it boots up. This assertion lacks source. I am deleting it.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 16:30, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
P.S. Maybe it is iSCSI. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 16:34, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources.  Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and according to fair use may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you.  Codename Lisa (talk) 04:33, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Dumb (obvious?) question - how come none of these latter Windows Server articles mention the Windows Storage Server SKU? The latest version's article to mention Storage Server is the Windows Server 2003. Nor are there any redirects to catch the term "Windows Storage Server", and searches end up at the aforementioned page.
49.183.84.41 (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Not a dumb question. But the answer is: No one has got around to add it. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 07:35, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

In the edition comparison chart... What does "gateway only" mean? Does it mean it can only act as a gateway to Remote Desktop connection? Is that a limitation of Server Essentials compared to Server Foundation? There isn't even a cite note in that box. WorldQuestioneer (talk) 22:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Recently, this edit (notice how I attempted to revert it because I found it a bit dubious) by an anonymous IP user seems to have redirected the Windows Server 2012 R2 (old rev) to Windows Server 2012 § Windows Server 2012 R2 in this article. I'm not sure what to think of this because while it's labelled as a 'Merger', I don't really think much of a merger has taken place. The previous article contained a lot of content that does not seem to have been merged into this article. I figured I'd bring this up to see if any folks working on this article can see if anything needs to be done. Satricious (talk) 12:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)