# Talk:Spectral bat

it would be nice to note if the bat feeds on it's own young, and if it follows the same pattern as other bats raising their young,and relationship wise.

The animal in the photo is not a Vampyrum spectrum. It is a fruit bat of the leaf-nosed bat subfamily Stenodermatinae.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.249.242 (talk • contribs) 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I am told vampire bats only fly out of a cave in one direction. Is this true? If not can you please tell more about the flying pattern of the spectral bat.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.86.192.13 (talk) 01:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC) 

"...during the breeding season, the male will hunt for food alone and bring food back to the female and their young."  Her young, at least.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Dunkleosteus77 (talk · contribs) 22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Overall, looks like mainly minor grammar things, but why is the wikicode like that I have to ask?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm assuming you mean the single line breaks? I generally write articles like that better because I find it easier to organize and read. There isn't a policy about it, and it doesn't affect how the text is displayed to the reader.
Okay, just wondering   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
You should probably mention how big it is in the lead and if by big you mean by wingspan or by weight or etc.   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Because when I read, "It is the largest bat species in the New World," then I wanna know how big that is   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
done
I see Vespertilio has an article, do you wanna wikilink it and say that the genus at the time was classified as a primate?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
done.
The species name thing doesn't have a ref   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Who's Goodwin?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
George Gilbert Goodwin. Doesn't have an article. I could (1) remove his name entirely—"The genus and species names were not used in their current combination until 1942." or (2) add more information—"The genus and species names were not used in their current combination until Goodwin did so in his 1942 publication, "Mammals of Honduras."
Or say "...biologist George Gilbert Goodwin..."   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
done
The whole dorsoventral proximodistal thing I try to shy from because those are unnecessarily big words when you can just say top, underside, front-half, back-half   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
done
What does, "The last upper molars are reduced to two cusps," mean?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Many mammals have tribosphenic molars, molars with three cusps. Basically, most of its molars are the "normal" tribosphenic design while the last upper molars are smaller with only two cusps. I hyperlinked to vestigiality|reduced, but let me know if I can make that clearer in-text.
Yeah the link to vestigial just confused me, maybe try, "...as opposed to three in most mammals," or something   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
done
What are the leaf-nosed bats?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I added leaf-nosed bat to the lede with a hyperlink. I also hyperlinked the firs occurrence in the article. Leaf-nosed bat is the common name for bats in the family Phyllostomidae.
I don't understand why you separated Taxonomy from Evolution, they seem to go hand-in-hand   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
merged & restructured
You might wanna use common names instead of taxonomic names (and put the taxonomic name in parentheses on first mention). Also, the first time you mention a species, put its taxonomic name in parentheses next to it   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Which instances of taxonomic names do you think should be replaced?
Like you say Trachops instead of "fringe-lipped bat"   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
done
For references in other languages, you need the parameters |language= and |trans-title=   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
done
Do you know what the bite force is?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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Why is, " 'thought to be ghosts,' " in quotes?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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Why'd you give the Spanish translation of endangered?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  22:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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I don't think Animal Diversity Web is considered a reliable source   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
They were a holdover from before I started editing. I have removed most of them (and am fine removing the rest), but can you find the policy that says ADW is a non-RS? I can't locate it (though I did notice that the taxonbar links to ADW).
I haven’t seen a policy, it’s just every time I have an article with ADW, the reviewer says it’s not reliable, which I’ve never really understood since it’s written by university students and reviewed by professors   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
removed the last of them anyway
ref no. 32 by Santos-Moreno has a free version at http://www.redalyc.org/pdf/575/57511206012.pdf   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
ref no. 36 by Vargas Espinoza has a free version at http://www.scielo.org.bo/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1605-25282004001000006   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
ref no. 25 by Vehrencamp has a free version at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271802746_Observations_on_the_Foraging_Behavior_and_Avian_Prey_of_the_Neotropical_Carnivorous_Bat_Vampyrum_spectrum   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
ref no. 13 allows you to download a free pdf at http://digitallibrary.amnh.org/handle/2246/386 (but adding this one is optional)   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
ref no. 28 has a free version at https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jeremy_Rayner2/publication/252581662_Ecological_Morphology_and_Flight_in_Bats_Mammalia_Chiroptera_Wing_Adaptations_Flight_Performance_Foraging_Strategy_and_Echolocation/links/56e973a808ae47bc651c745a/Ecological-Morphology-and-Flight-in-Bats-Mammalia-Chiroptera-Wing-Adaptations-Flight-Performance-Foraging-Strategy-and-Echolocation.pdf
ref no. 15 has a free version at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263540593_Wing_morphology_of_Neotropical_bats_a_quantitative_and_qualitative_analysis_with_implications_for_habitat_use
ref no. 16 has a free version at https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c151/3b6677033b8a7c8f82144d9a4e4c26b5f8d6.pdf
Just went through all the refs and added a URL to them if a free source was available or added doi-access=free if doi led to open-access ref.
After these links are put in, I think the article’s good to go   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

It was once thought to supplement its diet with fruit, but a captive pair refused to eat any fruit over a 5-year period, this is true, but the spectral bat may still be an "opportunistic" carnivore. The species of bat has also been known to eat specific fruit that grows in its habitat, it says about the spectral bat here: http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2008/wheeler_adam/Nutrition.htm.

Hi 83.249.112.114 Wikipedia is based on what is published in reliable sources. The author of this website is an undergraduate college student and they do not list the sources that they're using to compile the information on this website. If I found a peer-reviewed scientific journal article that said they eat fruit sometimes, I would add that content to the article. Enwebb (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
It is mentioned in study given in the references,  Journal of Mammalogy, Volume 85, Issue 4, 16 August 2004, Pages 708–713, https://doi.org/10.1644/BWG-121, which did not record fruit eating in their limited (n=8) sample, but cited Gardner A. L. 1977. Feeding habits. Pp. 293–350 in Biology of bats of the New World family Phyllostomatidae transcript So maybe? ~ cygnis insignis 17:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, maybe. A so called "opportunistic carnivore" is not a true omnivore, so my point is that the spectral bat likely an opportunistic carnivore. But I agree with you on that description needing reliable sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.112.114 (talk) 11:19, 31 August 2019 (UTC)