# Talk:Raya and the Last Dragon

Shouldn't the fact Cinemark Theatres, Harkins Theatres in the United States and Cineplex in Canada decided not to show the film had impacts on its box office? Cinemark is the third largest chain in the United States while Cineplex is the largest in Canada. The sources from Deadline in the article about the film's projection clearly attribute this as a reason Raya will underpeform DreamWorks Animation's The Croods: A New Age and Warner Bros. Tom & Jerry during a 3-day opening weekend. They give more weight in the comparison to Tom & Jerry due to the fact it was made available on HBO Max and grossed $14.1 million during its opening weekend the week before. Leaving this bit out seems to create a neutral point of view issue. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 10:08, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
ertert  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.208.95.100 (talk) 07:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC) 

In § Critical response, it says "78% saying they would definitely recommend it". I don't think the word "definitely" belongs there and suggest deleting it. --143.176.30.65 (talk) 11:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Although, looking through Wikipedia, I find dozens more hits for "definitely recommend", with some refs using "definite recommend" (without "ly"). Then again, the source used in this Raya article doesn't use "definite(ly)", and neither is this mentioned in the article PostTrak. --143.176.30.65 (talk) 11:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
All set. Source said nd fantastic PostTrak audience exits of 92%, with an 78% recommend from the general crowd?. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The general of the Fang Land (to whom Virana was seen speaking, voiced by Dichen Lachman) has a name that sounds like "Adidaya" in Indonesian, which means "Superpower/Almighty." The word was taken from Sanskrit. But I saw the notes said that her name was "Atitaya/Attitaya". Is it really the right name for the character? And if it is, perhaps anyone can tell from what language and what does it mean? I really am curious about the word.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.254.109.76 (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC) 

Mainly the Vanity Fair piece is about how the VA of Tran sees Raya as queer. Here's the relevant parts about the movie that could be incorporated into this article:

There’s a moment almost exactly half way through Raya and the Last Dragon when the titular Disney princess (voiced by Kelly Marie Tran) strolls out to meet her longtime enemy Namaari (Gemma Chan) in battle. The two women, both highly trained fighters and, yes, technically princesses, hail from different corners of the fictional land of Kumandra and are fighting tooth and nail to protect their homes. “Hey there, Princess Undercut,” Raya says with a smirk. “Fancy meeting you here.” 
If that sounds more flirtatious than ferocious there’s a reason for it. Tran told Vanity Fair that when recording her role for the animated film she decided there were “some romantic feelings going on there” between Raya and Namaari. But though Raya, like Moana and Elsa before her, is a Disney princess who isn’t saddled with a male love interest in the film, Raya and the Last Dragon is the latest Disney offering to stop short of presenting a major character as explicitly queer. But for the company that started touting its “exclusively gay moments” a few years back, and whose characters have long been embraced by queer communities, Raya has felt for many like one step closer to the surface. Tran was eager to add that just because she interpreted the Namaari and Raya relationship as something more than platonic, that wasn’t the official Disney line. Still she was over the moon to be asked about this particular aspect of the film: “I’m obsessed with Namaari and I’m obsessed with Gemma Chan. So I’m really excited you brought this up.” Namaari especially, with her well-muscled physique and asymmetrical haircut, feels intentionally designed to catch the eye of a queer audience. “I think if you’re a person watching this movie and you see representation in a way that feels really real and authentic to you, then it is real and authentic,” Tran says. “I think it might get me in trouble for saying that, but whatever.” Disney films have been tiptoeing around the perimeter of queer representation for some time now whether it be the “exclusively gay” millisecond of Beauty and the Beast, a fleeting, sapphic background kiss in The Rise of Skywalker, Thor: Ragnarok’s allegedly bisexual Valkyrie, Onward’s brief mention of a female cop’s girlfriend, or Elsa’s totally platonic friend Honeymaren in Frozen II. Queer fans eager to see themselves finally fully represented in a Disney film may well pounce on Tran’s interpretation of the Raya and Namaari relationship. The fact that Raya is introduced in the film wearing what looks like cosplay for Nickelodeon’s TV series The Legend of Korra—which famously features one of the first canonically queer leads in a kid’s show—may only feed that interpretation...For the queer princess diehards, though, Kelly Marie Tran is in their corner.  “I want to live in a world where every single type of person can see themselves in a movie like this,” she says. “There’s a lot of work to be done in that respect. I’d love to see a Disney warrior who—I don’t know, can I say this without getting in trouble? I don’t care—is openly in the LGBTQ community. I would love to see representation in terms of someone who maybe isn’t able-bodied. And I’m hopeful. We’ll see.”"
Thanks and I look forward to hear from you. Historyday01 (talk) 19:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

A character being headcanoned as queer by an actor or actress doesn't make the character proper queer. Only canon and creator's word do. I feel this information can be added briefly somewhere, but it should by no means dictate any addition of LGBT-related categories for the article. --190.124.30.42 (talk) 21:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Oh I agree, but I just wasn't sure where any of this should be added... Historyday01 (talk) 21:36, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
It shouldn't be added at all. It is just wishful speculation not supported by anything actually in the film itself, and since it isn't in the film, it doesn't belong in the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Hmm, I suppose, but I was thinking even one line in the article would be nice. Historyday01 (talk) 13:45, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

This sentence about A. Felicia Wade's review of the film sounds somewhat biased to me, though I understand that it likely wasn't intentional:

A. Felicia Wade of DiscussingFilm pointed this out in her review, commenting on the disheartening lack of accurate representation in the vocal cast and the fact that it "misses the mark at its core."

The word "disheartening" should be in quotes, to point out that she said it. I initially read this sentence and thought that maybe some Wikipedia editor added that word. There's also the word "fact", which is being used here to describe Wade's subjective opinion of the film and not an actual fact. This creates the impression that the article is trying to say that what Wade thinks of the film is objectively correct. I suggest rewriting this sentence as:
A. Felicia Wade of DiscussingFilm pointed this out in her review of the film, commenting that the lack of accurate representation in the vocal cast was "disheartening" and that the film "boasts representation, yet it misses the mark at its core."

 73.139.156.87 (talk) 12:20, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Run n Fly (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Raya and the Last Dragon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 23:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey, I'm going to be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 23:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Some Dude From North Carolina:, sure. Wingwatchers (talk) 00:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


### Infobox and lead
All  Done

The poster's non-free use rationale looks good.
The alt text for the poster feels generic. Expand it.
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Why do some billing credits have refs. and others don't?
The same source is used for two credits in "story by". Why?
Remove the Indonesia release date per WP:FILMRELEASE.
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Is the citation to The Numbers needed if it's wrong?
"impact towards" → "impact on"
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"As of June 29, 2021" - why such a specific date?
Add a serial comma after "story" (American English).
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### Plot and cast
At 587 words, the plot section passes WP:FILMPLOT.
Add a serial comma after Tong.
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That's it here. #Cast also looks good.


### Production
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"Moana, Frozen, Zootopia" → "Frozen (2013), Moana (2016), and Zootopia (2016)"
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Add wikilinks for writers, directors, and producers since this is their first mention apart from the lead.
#Development says Paul Briggs was a co-director but the lead says otherwise. Clarify.
"the film is untitled at the time" → "the film was untitled at the time"
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This source doesn't mention "August 24, 2019" or the "D23 Expo Walt Disney Animation Studios' presentation panel".
"Variety reported" - this is a lie. Their own source even says: "Entertainment Weekly first reported the news".
"Don Hall (director of Winnie the Pooh and Big Hero 6) and" → "Don Hall, director of Winnie the Pooh (2011) and Big Hero 6 (2014), and"
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Put Blindspotting in italics and add "(2018)" in front of it.
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"based off" - should this be written as "based on"?
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"quippiness" - not a word.
Actually, #Production doesn't feel right.
Is there a reason #Development and #Casting can't be merged?
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We go from "August 24, 2019" to "August 2, 2019" to "August 27, 2020" as a result of the current ordering. This source is about Cassie Steele being recast but it's first used in #Development to mention the directors as if that was the main topic being "reported". There is also a tendency to specify dates when "In [Month] [Year]" is already enough, and also publishers ("Deadline Hollywood said this, The Hollywood Reporter said that" becomes repetitive). This entire section should be rewritten for clarity.
 Fixed (hopefully)
"plot line" → "plotline"
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"for why" - kinda wordy
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Serial comma after "hair style".
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"hair style" → "hairstyle"
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"equipments" → "equipment"
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Make "Music" a subsection per WP:FILMMUSIC.
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### Release
This source doesn't mention "November 25, 2020".
"and is [...] and as of" - repetitive.
 Fixed
Home media should be expanded to list its special features.
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### Reception
Several topics about the film's performance at the box office are unsourced; I marked them with the "citation needed" tag.
"thanks in-part", "closely behind", "huge jump" - doesn't sound encyclopedic.
Add a WP:DATECOMMA after June 4, 2021.
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The critical response section only includes 4 individual reviews in its second paragraph. Per WP:RECEPTION, try adding more reviews while also lowering the use of "A said B".
Put IndieWire in italics and wikilink SFGate.
All  Done


### Future
Should be expanded to more than one sentence.
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### References
Sources are archived. 
There are several references on the article's talk page that can be used.
Wikilink Justin Chang and Rachel Martin (broadcast journalist).
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ScreenRant → Screen Rant
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I would suggest listing CBR by its full name, Comic Book Resources.
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Change quotation marks to apostrophes per WP:QWQ (#18, #41, and #76).
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Sort categories in alphabetical order.
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### Progress
@Wingwatchers: could you put {{done}} or such under the things you've done to make it more easy to navigate? Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 01:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

@Pamzeis:  Done Wingwatchers (talk) 02:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@Some Dude From North Carolina:, All done. Wingwatchers (talk) 18:16, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Some references still need to be adjusted for WP:QWQ. Additionally, the production section is also still out of place, using specific dates that are later out of order and become confusing for readers. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 00:52, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
@Some Dude From North Carolina:, thank you Pamzeis for fixing them. [1] Wingwatchers (talk) 02:54, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
I have added three reviews in the "Critical response" section, hopefully, it will pass GA. Wingwatchers (talk) 04:32, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

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According to the end credits of the movie, this title was produced in 3D. Was it released anywhere in 3D, and can it be categorized as “2021 3D films”? (The same goes for the short title Us Again.) --Mlang.Finn (talk) 17:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)