# Talk:Wilfrid Kent Hughes

"He became a strong supporter of Taiwan, serving as Ambassador to that country in 1966" what does this mean? That he was Australian Ambassador to the Republic of China, while still an MP? I don't think so. I am away from my references at the moment and can't check, but this must mean something other than what it appears to mean. Adam 05:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I got that from the The Times obit, which reads "He was Australian ambassador to Taiwan in 1966".  The possibility that he could have been both MP and ambassador seemed odd to me as well but accepted it because it was The Times.  After further digging, I note that he was Australia's representative for the inauguration of Chiang Kai-Shek's 4th term in office in 1966.  It is possible that The Times confused the two.  --Roisterer 13:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. Adam 13:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Oddly enough, I can't see any evidence in the nominal roll for his enlistment, but I can see a recommendation for a Military Cross.--Grahame (talk) 02:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

It took me a while to find it as well. IIRC, it was under "Hughes" but after all the William Hughes's (I'm at work and can't check at the moment. --Roisterer (talk) 04:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I've put in a direct URL now.--Grahame (talk) 05:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The phrase: "his impact on the modern Olympic Games cannot be underestimated", will be criticised at FAC as not NPOV unless sourced (and maybe even then).--Grahame (talk) 05:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Peacock words. It's better to say what new plans and ideas that he made. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 05:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is of a high standard but needs some work before I can promote it to GA status.
Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality: 
Kent Hughes was born in Melbourne to an upper middle-class family and after a privileged upbringing was set to attend the University of Oxford on a Rhodes Scholarship when he enlisted in the army on the outbreak of World War I." Unwieldy, can this be split somewhere?
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"represented Australia in hurdling" - would "represented Australia in athletics as a hurdler" be better?
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"In federal parliament, Kent Hughes was given ministerial duties, of which he complained were minor matters." Try "He was appointed a Minister in the federal government led by Menzies but complained his responsibilities were trifling."
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"Of more interest to him... " try "More interesting to him..."
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"A number of Kent Hughes's relatives ... a renowned proponent of Indigenous rights" - This paragraph appears to be one sentence and is very difficult to read.  Try breaking this sentence up rather than joining with semi-colons.  It may even be worth looking at using a list if it helps.
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"Promoted first to lieutenant and later captain and, in 1917, major, Kent Hughes served in the 3rd Light Horse Brigade in Gallipoli, where he was wounded[1], the Sinai, Palestine and Syria, mentioned in dispatches four times, winning the Military Cross in 1917 and appointed Deputy Adjutant and Quartermaster General of the Australian Mounted Division.[9]." Split.
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"At war's end, Kent Hughes entered Christ Church, Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, gaining a Bachelor of Arts with Honours in Modern History, captained the Oxford ski team and showed a proficiency for athletics." split
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Add that the 1920 Olympics were in Antwerp
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(he openly referred to a number of his fellow Nationalists as "boneheads" and opposition Australian Labor Party members as "uncouth, semi-educated ill-mannered narrow-minded boors"[11]) - remove the brackets and include as a separate sentence.
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"being elected for the then safe Liberal Melbourne seat" The concept of safe seats is not universal and will need to be explained or wikilinked.  The entire sentence could be rewritten along the lines of "Leaving state politics, in 1949 Kent Hughes stood for the Melbourne electorate of Division of Chisholm, a seat the Liberal party was expected to win.  Subsequently elected, he was appointed Minister for the Interior and Minister for Works and Housing (Minister for Works from June 1952) in the Menzies Government. Kent Hughes complained that he was left in charge of only trifling issues."
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"...would be great assets for the Games" "for the games" is superfluous.
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"Menzies dropped Kent Hughes from his ministry in 1956, ostensibly because Menzies opposed some of his housing plans for Canberra but more likely due to Kent Hughes's continued public comments on foreign affairs and defence matters,[18] in which he took an independent line favouring a policy even more anti-Communist than that of Menzies, higher defence spending and the reintroduction of conscription[14]" - split
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"...suggest he was anti-semite"  should be "an anti-semite" or "was anti-semitic"
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expand OBE.
Do you mean the OBE attached to Eva Hughes? If so, the line then reads a bit long winded.
expand POW
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"In 1939, without resigning from Parliament, Kent Hughes rejoined the Army, becoming a colonel in the 8th Division, serving in the Malaya campaign of 1942, where he was again mentioned in despatches." split
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"Kent Hughes returned to politics, joined the newly founded Liberal Party and was Deputy Premier, Minister for Transport and Minister for Public Instruction in the Liberal state government of Thomas Hollway in 1947-49, as well as serving as Chief Secretary and Minister for Electrical Undertakings in 1948." split and provide a source.
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wikilink Australian Women's National League, backbencher, orthopaedic surgeon, amoebic complaint,
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B. MoS compliance: 
*Comma and semi-colons appear to be overused throughout the article.  Make your sentences smaller rather than use multiple semi colons and commas. Run on sentences are difficult to read.
I have shortened sentences and minimised semi-colon use. I hope this is okay.
Some of the paragraphs in the lead seem a little small, the first in particular.  Combine some and perhaps trim the lead. Two examples in the lead of his espousal of unpopular views is overkill in my opinion.
I have worked on this and hope it has been done to requirement.
"Chicago blow-ins come out here and blow their tops over nothing in particular and annoy everyone in general" The italics are unnecessary.
Removed.
"...as a symbol of world unity[16]. - References appear after full stops.  This needs fixing throughout.
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"(The Times referred to him as "one of the more colourful Australian parliamentarians")" - remove from the brackets and treat as an independent sentence.
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Capitalise "state funeral"
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"Why I Have Become a Fascist." inverted commas are superfluous.|*Comma and semi-colons appear to be overused throughout the article.  Make your sentences smaller rather than use multiple semi colons and commas. Run on sentences are difficult to read.
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Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources: 
*"and instigated the now familiar closing ceremony tradition of the athletes of different nations parading together, instead of with their national teams, as a symbol of world unity" - Perhaps John Ian Wing needs a mention here.
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B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: 

"These articles were held against him for the rest of his life" and "Kent Hughes's public support of fascism failed to damage his political career" appear to be contradictory.
Although the articles were held against him by the ALP for the rest of his life, I couldn't find a relevant reference and so have removed it.
C. No original research: 
*"Obituaries highlighted his war service and Olympian status (The Times referred to him as "one of the more colourful Australian parliamentarians")[20] while sidestepping his earlier flirtation with fascism."  The Times obit is referenced, but there is no reference covering obituaries as a whole.
Changed to include just the Times obit as I couldn't access any other obit.
The family name was Hughes, and young Wilfrid was usually called Bill or Billy. Later, to avoid confusion with fellow politician Billy Hughes, he adopted one of his middle names, Kent, as part of his surname. It is not known why he spelled his given name "Wilfrid" while his father spelled it "Wilfred." - needs an in-line citation for these claims.
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"Kent Hughes, along with his close friend and ally Robert Menzies, founded the Young Nationalists Organisation in 1929, which became a powerful force in conservative politics in Victoria." - needs a citation.
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"the Australian Cricket Board of Control towards Jardine, stating they were "boorish, bitter (and) insulting". These comments were gleefully seized upon by the English press" The citation appears to be for the quote, but is there a cite for "gleefully seized upon by the English press"? Unless the Times claimed that this was the case, then this appears to be original research
Removed reference.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: 
Seems reasonably comprehensive
B. Focused: 

Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: 
As mentioned above, there appears to an overemphasis in the lead on his unpopular views.
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc: 
No problems here
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: 

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 
I have placed the article on hold.  If you can attend to these issues by 3 February 2008 I will pass the article.  If you have any questions or when you think you are done, leave a message on my talk page and I will take another look.  Well done on your work so far. -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The article has now been listed as GA.  Well done with the work on the article to date.  I have made some further minor changes as well.  To assist with getting through the backlog, please consider reviewing an article listed at WP:GAN.  Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 07:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I made a change, but it still doesn't seem right. My qualm is that the line (original) paints him as a fascist, which he is not, despite calling himself one. It's like an orange calling itself an apple, and writing all about how it's an apple, but it has no idea what constitutes being an apple and is in fact not one. Michael talk 08:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

If I may comment further, be careful with the tone of this article. He is coming across as a cultivated, capitalist buffoon. Of course, if that is what he was (I have my doubts), carry on. Michael talk 05:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
He certainly wasn't a buffoon, as can be testified by his Rhodes Scholarship etc. He was very outspoken and never seemed to care about the possible repercussions of his outspokenness. If you could point out some of the more glaring examples, I will see how I can address them. --Roisterer (talk) 05:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
It was more a general remark, not criticism; the article is splendid. But I might take a closer look and see what I can find. Of course, when you're finished (I'm assuming you're running the stretch to FA?) that would be the best time. Michael talk 06:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
No problems, I didn't take it as criticism, rather comments from respected editors who have the odd FA to their name. At the moment I am just hoping to get this to GA but I will see how I go afterwards. --Roisterer (talk) 12:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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