# Talk:Phengaris rebeli

Just finished cleaning up the article in terms of grammar/logical flow/etc. NK2015 (talk) 3:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I'll be editing this Wiki page for the next week on/off pretty heavily--if there's something egregious you see, please let me know! But also, please don't delete anything as such, as I am still adding!. Thank you! NK2015 (talk) 12:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
I just added four new subsections and ten citations to support the information under those subsections underneath the larger section of brood parasitism to expand that behavior. I focused on the discovery of this behavior, the use of acoustics and how the butterfly use it to manipulate role social rank in the host hierarchy, how the P. rebeli integrates into the host and why it chooses to parasitize the M. schencki, and its polymorphic larval growth. NK2015 (talk) 2:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Just corrected a couple of grammar mistakes that I think made the article flow a bit more easily. Also, I realized that one of my sentences did not have the citation to support it (I had gotten it from a citation that I had cited earlier on in the article, but I had forgotten to attribute that particular sentence to the article as well) so I corrected that. NK2015 (talk) 1:15, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I fixed a couple of disambiguation links (about 3-4) by linking them properly or by unlinking them altogether. NK2015 (talk) 10:27, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
I removed some links to nonexistent wikipedia pages and also removed a couple links in the headings that seemed a little unnecessary. Also I fixed minor spacing issues --Vpandrangi (talk) 19:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted it. Please see the WP:REDLINK guideline. Despite being visually unappealing, red links are actually good and should be created for the first instance of everything in the article that is relevant enough to the subject, and notable enough to have an article (regardless if they do or not). They encourage additional article creation (, as well as remove the requirement (and the additional hassle) for revisiting the article and linking them again when the articles have been created. NK2015 (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Keeping the reviews in mind, which asked me to add more about its adult stage and threats facing this species, I added three more sections and contributed to two of the previous subsections (Discovery of Brood Parasitism and Polymorphic Growth). The three subsections I added focus on the P. rebeli's interactions with its host plant Gentiana cruciata (which it also parasitizes and depends on) and how it is parasitized by the wasp Ichneumon eumerus. I also added a section on the classification conflicts about whether or not it is a separate species from the P. alcon and briefly described the contrasting behavior between these two butterflies. Its relationship with the Gentiana cruciata is present both before it is taken in by the Myrmica ants and as an adult, so I was able to expand a little bit upon its adult stage. Also, I tried to incorporate threats facing it by discussing the parasitic Ichnuemon eumerus and including a couple of sentences of how researchers believe that conservation efforts need to be focused on its food plant as that will have a direct effect on the P. rebeli as well. 
Also, I will be editing this article a lot more, particularly in the course of the next week, as I am aware that there are grammatical issues/redundancies that I need to fix (so please don't delete any entire sections because I will get back to fixing them stylistically). I just wanted to get the content up in case there were serious problems with it and someone could point out any changes I needed to make! Thanks for bearing with me! NK2015 (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Just added a new section on appearance, taxonomy, and the habitat of the P. rebeli. Also, I am trying to get this article up to Good Article status, so if anyone has any advice, please let me know! I'm going to try to look for conservation efforts next (I'm unable to find anything to do with why it is named the rebeli). NK2015 (talk) 19:33, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
I just finished adding a section on conservation/why it is endangered. I don't think I will be adding anymore information (I'm also having a tough time finding information now) but if there is something I am really lacking, please let me know! 
NK2015 (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


### Review
This is a very well written, informative, and interesting section on brood parasitism. I did not change anything in the article. In future additions, it would be nice to talk about other types of behavior as well as the threats facing this species, and why it is endangered.Abuatois (talk) 00:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


### Review 2
This article is very well-written. I only added one or two commas that seemed to be missing. Looking ahead, I think it would be a good idea to add more information about the phengaris rebeli during its adult stages. Overall, it is very good! Thatgirlnamedsofa (talk) 07:09, 10 October 2013 (UTC)thatgirlnamedsofa

Areas for elaboration are the appearance and habitat section. This article is very comprehensive and covers a wide array of topics about the organism. In the introductory section, maybe you should hold off on describing the specifics of its parasite activity until the brood parasitism section below. It is confusing, does the Phengaris rebeli parasitize the foodplant early in the butterfly’s lifecycle or in the plant’s life cycle.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batoburen (talk • contribs) 00:19, 21 November 2013 (UTC) 

Maculinea rebeli Hirsh. already found in the West Ukraine by Sergey G. Popov
Source:
http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=72794699140493&mkt=uk-UA&lang=uk-UA&w=56a23754&FORM=CVRE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.124.76.47 (talk) 11:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC) 

This review is transcluded from Talk:Phengaris rebeli/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Prlaud (talk · contribs) 12:15, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Well described taxonomy section. In the Habitat section, a reference link regarding the concentration of P. rebeli in the listed countries/parts of Europe is missing. Please include that if possible.
Full name or a link to more information about the researcher Hirschke would be good.
Prlaud (talk) 12:15, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Multiple listings of the same reference are not needed. Use the same reference number for all statements that are supported a single reference, and each place where that reference link is present will be demarcated by different alphabets in the reference listing at the article end. See the reference section of the article on Lepidoptera for example. The alphabets mark places where the same reference number is used in the body of the article.
Prlaud (talk) 17:19, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I went back and fixed the references. NK2015 (talk) 20:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello, 
I went back and found a journal article link that cited the information on the very broad habitat range the P. rebeli has (Alps and Southern Europe). As I did not initially write that particular part of the Wikipedia article, I am not sure where the person who did got that information as I could not find it on the internet, so I took out the countries' names since the information cold be mistaken. Furthermore, after some more research, I realized I was mistaken about Hirschke (the P. rebeli was found before that). I could not find who initially discovered the P. rebeli, but I was able to locate where it was found, when it was changed to its own species, and the name of the person who did change it to its own species as I have cited and included in the article.

NK2015 (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Phengaris is an older name compared to Maculinea (see ref 9 in the list of references, discussion section)nimswrit (talk) 07:35, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello, 
Yes,this is correct, but Phengaris should still be used over Maculinea. See this article (2nd paragraph) on Phengaris for the information/references for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maculinea NK2015 (talk) 4:45, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Phengaris rebeli/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.
With unsourced paragraphs and sentences all over the place, this article should never have been promoted in its current state. Also, the reviewer did not apparently check any sources for source-text integrity, plagiarism, close paraphrasing, or copyvio. There are other smaller issues to deal with, but the sourcing is most important for now. Sasata (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I assumed that if one had a source in one paragraph, it pertained to all the other information in the same paragraph. I see that is not the case and I will fix that in the next few days. NK2015 (talk) 20:19, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Just fixed the the article for the sources. Please let me know if you have other issues. NK2015 (talk) 21:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Sourcing is clearer now. As far as possible, it has been checked for plagiarism. Sentences have not been taken verbatim from sources, but have been rephrased by the author keeping the meaning intact. There are smaller issues remaining, but the article reads well.nimswrit (talk) 07:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
A good supporting reference for the Habitat section would be KÉRY, M et al, Journal of Ecology 2001 89, 418 – 427 (reference 5 in your list).nimswrit (talk) 09:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


### Closing comment
This individual reassessment has been left open for over two-and-three-quarters years, and the person who initialized it, Sasata, retired over a month ago. I am closing it as no change; the article will be kept as listed. If someone else wants to initiate a reassessment, they are welcome to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, as part of a Behavioral Ecology class at Washington University in St. Louis, I am adding my thoughts on this article and potential areas of improvement. I think that this article provides a well-written and informative description of the butterfly's brood parasitism. However, I think that this article would provide a better general overview of the butterfly with additional information on social behaviors between individuals within the species, such as mating or competition. I also think that more information on the later life cycle stages of the butterfly would be useful, as currently the article focuses on the early stages of life. Finally, I think that the classification and taxonomy pages could either be integrated or moved closer together, as having the topics near each other gives the whole article better flow.
Thanks! --jerryshen (talk) 22:00, 14 September 2017 (UTC)