# Talk:The Young and the Hopeless

Apparently it went 3x platinum. Should that be mentioned? --24.159.106.219 06:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Joel Madden, lead vocalist of GC does not appear in the credits. Is this deliberate?
Seec77 08:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It's catagorized as "Emo". Is there any source saying that or is somebody just having a stab in the dark. Good Charlotte sure as hell don't sound emo to me. :)

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The article says has a clear 80s influence, then goes on to cite some very weak evidence - claiming the picture is of people watching 'The Day After' in the 1980s when everything else in the image indicates the 50s or 60s; the only evidence being a nuclear explosion, not anything solid like the title frame of the programme. The next piece of evidence is 'Lifestyles of the rich and famous', named as an 80s show, when it ran from 84-95. And My Bloody Valentine - the group - had their biggest hit with Loveless in the 90s. It looks to me like original research to support the opening sentence, unless there's a reference to back this stuff up. --Bazzargh (talk) 11:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to mention the Young and the Restless reference too - broadcast since 1973, still going, no 80s connection there. --Bazzargh (talk) 11:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Responding to the anon who removed the OR tag. I put that there for the whole paragraph (see above) but the sentence about 'My Bloody Valentine' has several problems. As well as claiming a tenuous 80s connection (with no reference) it goes on to say that it 'could be' a reference to the film or the band. It also could be a reference back to the Cole Porter song My Funny Valentine, as the film was. Or it could be they just picked a phrase they overheard to write a song from, and its not a deliberate allusion to one or the other. We simply do not know without references, like the band mentioning something in an interview. What could be mentioned here instead that the song describes a murder, but that it does not follow the plot of the film, since this is easily verifiable.
Basically that para should be removed, its fancruft. Reviews of the album don't mention an 80s theme at all; instead picking on themes of class, teenage rebellion against authority, etc. They also talk about the music's derivative nature (though several describe it as 'fun') and the article doesn't even mention that this is by far the band's biggest hit. There's plenty that can be said there about the album without making stuff up. --Bazzargh (talk) 11:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

How can you write that The young and the hopeless has sold more than 26 000 000 million copies worldwide since 2002? Where did you find this funny information?

I deleted this information. Incredible that such informations remain in articles for long time --91.37.223.80 (talk) 14:31, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 17:24, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


### Infobox
In the body of the article you say the lead single was "released to modern rock radio on August 13 that year" and in the infobox box you have it on September 9, 2002 (which was when the CD single was issued)
Single 4 "Hold On" → September 2003 (you didn't went on detail regarding the date of release)
Single 5 ""The Young & the Hopeless"/"Hold On"
 Done


### Lead
Prior to making a music video for "Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous", drummer Chris Wilson joined the band; "Lifestyles" was released as a single in September. → makes me think lifestyles is a different single, needs to be re-written
with subsequent tours of Japan → with subsequent shows in Japan,
which were released as a joint single in January 2004. → the former was first released to alternative rock radio, and later as a joint single, with "The Young & the Hopeless", in January 2004.
going triple platinum in the US → being certified three times platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)
It was certified gold in France and Sweden, platinum in Australia and the UK, and double platinum in Canada. → It was certified platinum in Australia by the Australian Recording Industry Associaton (ARIA), in the UK by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) and in Canada by Music Canada (MC) + wikilink
the latter winning → with the latter winning
Should mention the "best lists" the album was included such as Rolling Stone and Rock Sound + mention the Alternative Press Music Awards for the album
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### Background and recording
did not sell as well as the label hoped and the group were nearly dropped from the label → did not sell as well as the label hoped, and the group were nearly dropped.
he minor success of "Little Things",[2] coupled with appearing at Warped Tour[3] and touring alongside Blink-182 helped increase their popularity → year this took place?
arranged by Valentine and Eric Campbell. The string session was engineered by Nate Kunkel. → arranged by Valentine and Eric Campbell and engineered by Nate Kunkel.
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### Composition
All of the songs on the album, except for "A New Beginning" and "The Anthem", were written by the Madden brothers. "A New Beginning" was written by Benji Madden and Valentine, and "The Anthem" was written by the Madden brothers and Goldfinger frontman John Feldmann. → All of the songs on the album were written by the Madden brothers, except for "A New Beginning" and "The Anthem". The former was written by Benji Madden and Valentine, and the latter was written by the Madden brothers and Goldfinger frontman John Feldmann.
The producers used "Little Things → The movie producers used "Little Things", instead
"Lust for Life" → year of release in between brackets
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### Release
On February 28, 2003, "The Anthem" was released as a CD single, which also includes → On February 28, 2003, "The Anthem" was released as a single. The CD single includes acoustic versions of
during a two-day break in New Zealand → year?
It premiered on Total Request Live on November 12 → year?
"Hold On" and "The Young & the Hopeless" were released as a joint single on January 13, 2004. → Later, on January 13, 2004, the latter track and "The Young & the Hopeless" were released as a joint single
A music video made for "The Young & the Hopeless" → The music video for "The Young & the Hopeless"
The second paragraph from the Accolades and legacy section should be included here
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### Touring
Quite repatative "went on tour" → try performed a leg in Japan, toured in the US (these are just examples), needs a wider range of vocabulary
I made several changes
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### Critical reception
Try to have the reviews from positive to negative.
Uncut → first paragraph
Rolling Stone  → second paragraph
Entertainment Weekly, AllMusic → third paragraph
The others are fine the way they are
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### Commercial performance
I will fix this one as it is easier for me.
by October 2004, three million. → source?
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### Accolades and legacy
at the Teen Choice Awards. → at the 2003 Teen Choice Awards? + wikilink to the cerimony if possible
at the MTV Music Awards;[54] the group eventually won the Viewer's Choice award. → at the MTV Music Awards, winnning the Viewer's Choice award. (and add the year of the cerimony)
Kerrang! Award → year of the cerimony
Four tracks from The Young and the Hopeless—"The Anthem" (by Million $ Mano and featured Hollywood Holt), "Girls & Boys" (by Ed Banger Allstars), "The Young & the Hopeless" (by Mr. Hahn) and "Hold On" (by the Academy Is...)—were remixed for inclusion on Good Charlotte's Greatest Remixes (2008) compilation. "Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous", "The Anthem", "Girls & Boys", "The Young & the Hopeless" and "Hold On" were included on the band's Greatest Hits (2010) compilation → I don't see how this is part of the legacy, this should be on the release
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### Track listing
Fine


### Personnel
Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space betwwen the personnel and the credits.
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### Weekly charts
Add date for the Japanese Albums.
Duplicate and with a source error
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### Year-end charts
US Billboard 200 Year-end Chart → US Billboard 200
Do the same for the other, it is redudent as we know it from the title.
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### Certifications
Add accessdates
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### References
MTV, AllMusic, punknews.org → not in italics
The A.V. Club., New York Post. → wikilink, only once (there are others)
I would not use Facebook as a source
I used it as it was the label's (Enjoy the Ride Records) own Facebook page, and since there isn't an otherwise reliable source available for the info. Yeepsi (talk) 15:01, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
See here 1, seems a reliable source to me. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 Done


### External links
Fine


### Overall
You can now address the issues now. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Done. Yeepsi (talk) 15:01, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Fixed the Japanese chart cite error. Yeepsi (talk) 16:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
@Yeepsi: I made several changes, see if you are ok with them. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:12, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

They're all good with me. Added the Modern Vinyl ref. Yeepsi (talk)