# Talk:Vologases V

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 15:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


### Criteria
No DAB links Y
No dead links Y
No missing citations Y


### Discussion
Sellwood 1983, p. 297. citation does not have a cited book in Sources. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 20:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Daryaee, Touraj (2010) and Rapp, Stephen H. (2017). Need journal names. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 20:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: That is all my suggestions, once the bolded issues are dealt with I can pass the article. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 20:36, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


### Prose Suggestions
Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.


#### Lede
it is uncertain whether the transition of power was peaceful or that Vologases wrested the throne in a civil war. suggest it is uncertain if the transition of power was peaceful or if Vologases took the throne in a civil war.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
With Vologases' accession to the Parthian throne, the Armenian throne was passed to his son Khosrov I. suggest When Vologases acceded the Parthian throne, he passed the Armenian throne to his son Kosrov I.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Vologases' reign was marked by war. From 195 to 202, the Parthians and Romans waged war with each other, ending in a favourable outcome for the Romans, with the Parthian capital of Ctesiphon sacked and Roman rule reaffirmed in Armenia and northern Mesopotamia. suggest Vologases' reign was marked by war with the Roman Empire, lasting from 195 to 202, resulting in the sacking of the Parthian capital of Ctesiphon, and reaffirmation of Roman rule in Armenia and northern Mesopotamia.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
At the same time, internal conflict was taking place in the Parthian realm, suggest At the same time, internal conflict took place in the Parthian realm,
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Must explain his succession; suggest Vologases died in 208, succeeded by his son Vologases VI (208–228), however another son, Artabanus IV (216–224), attempted to seize the throne a few years later, resulting in a civil war.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


#### King of Armenia
Vologases managed to establish his line on the Armenian throne; suggest Vologases managed to ensure his descendants ruled on the Armenian throne;
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
the king of Armenia had the second rank in the Parthian realm. does this mean he was second to another king or second only to the emperor? If the first, clarify which king was foremost, if the second, suggest the king of Armenia had the second rank in the Parthian realm, below only to the Parthian king.
Second to the emperor. Fixed it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


#### King of the Parthian Empire
Vologases, after the death of his father Vologases IV in 191, ascended the Parthian throne, and was succeeded by his son Khosrov I as the ruler of Armenia. suggest Vologases ascended the Parthian throne in 191 after the death of his father Vologases IV, passing the Armenian throne to his son Khosrov I. (r. 191–217)
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
it is uncertain whether the transition of power was peaceful or that Vologases wrested the throne in a civil war. suggest it is uncertain if the transition of power was peaceful or if Vologases took the throne in a civil war.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Vologases supported Pescennius Niger during his struggle for the Roman throne against Septimius Severus in 192–193. suggest Vologases supported Emperor Pescennius Niger (r. 193–194) in his struggle for the Roman throne against Emperor Septimius Severus (r. 193–211) in 192–193, during the Year of the Five Emperors.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
attacked Vologases in 195. suggest attacked the Parthian Empire in 195.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
and captured the Parthian capital Ctesiphon in 199. lede says that it was sacked, much more severe than merely captured. Correct to whichever is appropriate.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
he attempted in vain to conquer the Arab fortress of Hatra twice./ He withdrew his forces to Syria afterward suggest merging the first sentence of next paragraph with last of this: he attempted in vain to conquer the Arab fortress of Hatra twice, later withdrawing his forces to Syria.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Unlike the previous eight Arsacid princes who ruled Armenia, Vologases managed to ensure his descendants ruled on the Armenian throne indicates that Vologases pulled off some kind of [unspecified] tricks to do what his predecessors could not. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
“Was (or) were able to” and “managed to” both suggest effort. They mean someone succeeded in doing something that was a challenge or took a special effort. However, the phrase “managed to” puts a little more emphasis on how hard the challenge was or how much effort it took.— https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/past-ability-could-was-able-to-managed-to/5139503.html TrangaBellam (talk) 18:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
The source (and other sources for that matter) don't go into detail regarding this, probably because the reason is unknown; Parthian history is very obscure. Removed "managed". --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I appreciate it. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:26, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Magian Priest's Descendant: 
"Balāš V succeeded his father in 190/1 or 193 and reigned until 207/8."
Just above that it says "Balāš IV died in 190/1 or 192/3."
In other words, Vologases IV was his father. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
@Magian Priest's Descendant: Please refrain from edit warring and use the talk page. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
@Magian Priest's Descendant: I'm asking you again to use the talk page, and your edit summary here sounds degrading and unaware; Im sorry, but ask someone that's more intelligent. A European, perhaps. Iranica is a modern site and this linked to a book that doesn't even exist online or anywhere I know of. Cassius Dio, John Malala; etc are reputable sources.
What exactly makes you the judge of other people's intelligence? Is there a policy for that on this site? And why are Europeans apparently more intelligent? Moreover, you still did not bother to click the link, somehow claiming that it "doesn't exist online". If you did, or even read the citation itself, you could see that the source is authored by historians of European origin (Chaumont and Schippmann, not that it matters). Per WP:RSP Iranica is clearly reliable, and if you spent a few minutes reading about what Iranica is, you wouldn't call it a mere "modern site". We follow secondary sources, not primary sources, see WP:RS, WP:SCHOLARSHIP and WP:PSTS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

"Since coins of Balāš V dated 191 also exist, it is possible that Balāš IV had made his son co-regent (surmise of Hanslik, loc. cit.) or that a civil war between the father and the son had broken out (surmise of Debevoise, loc. cit.)." ----Encyclopaedia Iranica, M. L. Chaumont, K. Schippman.
"Balāš IV managed to hold the Parthian throne for more than forty years. He suffered defeats at the hands of the Romans but did not have to deal with the usual internal troubles due to revolts of pretenders and resultant civil wars (unless the surmise of a civil war with his son Balāš V is correct)." --Encyclopaedia Iranica, M. L. Chaumont, K. Schippmann, [1]
Seems pretty clear to me. --Kansas Bear  21:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)