# Talk:The Great Giana Sisters

Although the Spectrum version was (favourably) reviewed by one magazine, I've seen Rainbow Arts people deny that it was ever started.

There is a Giana sisters game on the iPod app store  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.2.230 (talk) 02:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC) 

I think it would be great not to restrict ourselves to the similarities between Mario/Giana but also to show how Giana's gameplay is unique (e.g. disappearing platforms, absence of 1up mushrooms, homing shots).
Imho, you need to reach at least level 3 of GGS to experience the _real_ giana sisters, with more dangerous foes and pits than ever in Super Mario.

Giana Sisters does have 1ups, they come in the form of lollipops. But I agree with you, there should be a mention of the ideas Giana Sisters added. Disappearing platforms and homing shots are some of them. Another thing is the boulders that fall down from some bricks if you head-butt them while wearing a mohawk hairdo. Are the pink bouncing ball enemies also a new idea? I don't remember seeing such enemies in Super Mario Brothers. I seem to remember Giana Sisters had power-ups that froze or killed all enemies on the screen, but I just played through the entire game on VICE and didn't notice any such effects. JIP | Talk 18:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
I see that such material was already added, but later removed. I could perhaps add it back, but in a shorter, more restricted form. JIP | Talk 18:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Does anybody know the current legal status of the game? It has been rereleased for mobile phones a while ago. 

http://www.gianasisters.de/gamer
-- Grumbel 15:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The screenshot on this page  shows a black and white version of the game.  What platform was it from?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.203.201.141 (talk) 20:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 

That's from the  ZX Spectrum version. --  JediLofty User ¦ Talk 09:53, 3 April 2008 (Utm)

As shown in the above screenshot , there was at least a beta/review copy for the ZX Spectrum, which was pulled before it could be officially released. Did any copies of that unreleased version ever get "leaked" ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.16.5 (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2013 (UTC) 

A Winamp plugin made for Winamp 2+ called Nullsoft DSP Demo that changes the tempo of the music allows you to hear the music from the underground (#3) as played in the SMB ad hoc if set to +12. LReyome254 05:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LReyome254 (talk • contribs)  

I just downloaded Giana's Return from the website linked in this article, and found, not to much surprise, that the executable works straight out of the box even though it was compiled on Ubuntu Linux and I use Fedora Linux. I could make a screenshot of that game too, but should one be included in this article? I mean, Giana Sisters and Giana's Return are different games, although closely related. JIP | Talk 20:15, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Why are Giana Sisters DS and Project Giana being considered unofficial sequels? The official Giana Sisters DS available from retailers, in particular, is not a port (although it does confusingly share its name with an unofficial port of the C64 original), is an official sequel (it includes the original, but as a hidden bonus), and should have its own entry.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.162.214 (talk) 04:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC) 

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there seems to be a new (7 new tracks?) version of the Giana Sisters Twisted Dreams, but not sure if it's a sequel or a superset
https://www.gamersgate.com/DD-GSTWRO-H/giana-sisters-twisted-dreams-rise-of-the-owlverlord  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:870F:A900:1E9:3DF5:CD1A:B398 (talk) 01:20, 2 November 2018 (UTC) 

The only citation for the first paragraph of the "Alleged lawsuit" section is a German-language source. I was able to track down the original German text and then translated it into English using Google Translate. Though the translation is imperfect, it's clear that the source says nothing whatsoever about any Nintendo lawsuit, real or myth. It's merely a description and academic critique of the game's mechanics "in a vacuum", without even mentioning that it was originally based on Super Mario Bros. As further proof, a search on Google Books shows that the word "Nintendo" only appears three times in the entire book, and only in footnotes and image credits.
The second paragraph wrongly cites this source again. But it also cites a second German source that I've not been able to track it down. It's possible that this source contains information about Nintendo's action in response to the game (the title sounds promising). But we should treat it as suspect until someone is able to track down that source and confirm exactly what it says.
135.180.119.77 (talk) 06:31, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

There was a very well-known user-made reskin of GGS at the time that essentially turned it into Super Mario Bros. I still have it on floppy. The article has omitted this arguably significant detail. It may not be canon, but at least in parts of the USA, it was more popular than the original GGS. 2603:7081:1342:9B00:8186:65BA:1A0:1B1E (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 22:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC) 

Find a source and add the information then. Cortador (talk) 07:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I grew up in Greece in the '80s and TGGS was huge on Amiga pc back then. There was also a rumour at the time that the creator of the game was ripped off when they went to present it to a gaming company and their disk was fully copied while presenting it. The rumour was that that had happened to the existing TGGS version at the time though but it got me thinking. TGGS is so much more sophisticated and complex than the plumber bros dummied down version that it's hard to believe that it didn't predate Mario Bros. If you lived anywhere in Europe at the time and even remotely knew anyone with access to an Amiga pc (i.e. my rich neighbours) you knew TGGS. I strongly feel that someone just copied TGGS, changed the players' gender and reintroduced it as a new game to the US continent that had no knowledge of it, although I have no proof of this. Who else feels like Nintendo has gotten away with murder screwing the little guy/gal game designer? How can we prove this? Goes to show you don't even have to be a living breathing woman to be plagirised in this world. Even our digital representations get screwed over. Cheers. #crushthepatriarchy
VegetarianCat (talk) 02:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

While yes, TGGS did in fact debut before the official public European release of Super Mario Bros. as cited by both the Super Mario Wiki (and presumably Wikipedia as well) and this page, Super Mario Bros. actually debuted in other countries before, with the original Japanese release of SMB coming out for the Famicom in September of 1985 and the US version debuting for the NES in October of the same year. For reference, that's almost two years before the cited release of TGGS, so that makes it technically impossible for Super Mario Bros. to be a copy of The Great Giana Sisters. Sorry, I just wanted to point this out for clarification purposes. 24.19.193.26 (talk) 06:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Per the current prose in the article and per the "Making of" article from Retro Gamer from the later 2000s, the developers of the game specifically were told to make a game like Super Mario Bros.. So despite the sisters popularity in Europe, Nintendo did not borrow from their game. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

A gave this article a re-write. Many sections were unsourced (plot, gameplay, etc.) were under developed (reception) or had a bit too much emphasis on topics a bit fringe from the main game (excessive details on sequels, rights holders, etc.). I've tried to balance it out. If there is anything majorly missing from the previous version, please re-add it or mention it here for discussion. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the two "awards" items from the reviews infobox. Without context, the medals and other items don't really mean anything to the user. Are these just for high ranking games? actual awards? How are they determined? Its unclear, and without context, means nothing. The citations in question did state these items, but its not clear what is meant from them or what they mean. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
They're awards given by magazines at the time. Zzap was a big deal on the C64, Crash was a big deal on the Spectrum. People who were around in the 80s are fully aware of the context and significance. No offense, but if you're unfamiliar, maybe you shouldn't be reverting work on vintage videogame articles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.155.34 (talk) 22:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Not the case at all. Did I have to be even born at the time of Basic Math to write the article about it? Hardly. You've just re-added material and claimed to have a source for it, and have not. Without a source to back it up, these additions mean nothing and they don't seem to be real awards? The high scores speak for themselves regardless. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Per your previous revert. Please refer to WP:ONUS. "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." If there is some rule I'm missing that people reading the article would already be familiar with the topic, please share it, but I don't believe there is.Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
No, not the reader, I said the onus is on AN EDITOR, MAKING EDITS, TO KNOW THE SUBJECT MATTER. To put it bluntly, if you don't know about videogames, stop editing them.
Back to my original point, it would appear you did look up that Crash review I cited - presumably a scan. Take a very close look at the top right corner of page 13. There's a big, bold, colorful logo saying "Crash Smash". In the original magazine it was probably 4 or 5 cm high. The fact GGS won this award is absolutely undisputable.
These awards were highly coveted, see front cover of Turrican or Bounder (video game), or adverts for plenty of games.https://worldofspectrum.org//pub/sinclair/games-adverts/b/Batman-TheMovie.jpg https://worldofspectrum.org//pub/sinclair/games-adverts/g/GraphicAdventureCreatorThe_3.jpg . They even released compilations consisting only of games that won awards in Crash and Zzap. Again, it's not the job of this article to tell the user how important the awards are.
:::You keep saying these awards were highly coveted and it would be obvious, yes I saw the same page you have, as I expanded on your citation for them. Looking further into this, we shouldn't even be using them per WP:VG/AWARDS which says "For the table, only include awards where either the awards individually are notable (e.g. Seumas McNally Grand Prize) or the awards body as a whole is notable (e.g. The Game Awards); omit individual publication awards and ranked lists from the table." currently you haven't showed me or added anything that suggests otherwise. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
::::So you've spent a week reverting just because it was mentioned in a table instead of in text? Ok, fine. It's done. Case closed.
I honestly don't think the award as you call it seems important either. if it's just to indicate a high rating, that's already established by a high rating, and no, if you read what I said, you still haven't found sources to Indictate what these awards mean. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC) 14:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm not gonna repeat myself.
(1) The game won the award, that's why I said it. I have proved that the game won both awards. You have agreed that it says so in the sources you have read. The Zzap one is even mentioned ON THE GAME'S FRONT COVER ARTWORK!!
(2) I'm not making any claims about what the award "means". This article is not the place to discuss whatever it is you're trying to interpret from this.
That's the end of the discussion.

Stating you are done working the discussion and just re-adding it and masking assumptions on what I'm asking isn't how we come to come to content disputes in wikipedia. The award requires context, I would suggest reading "Noteworthy awards and nominations that contribute to the overall reception should be documented in prose in this section. Individual publications often use awards to distinguish a game's lasting impact." You have not established its notability. If it's just for a high grade, which is what you claim (but have not backed up with any valid source) than that's not enough. Otherwise, readers won't knoe what its validity is or why it received something you claim has prestige. I would suggest doing a thourough read on Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and MOS:VG before editing further.Andrzejbanas (talk)
As there has been no addition and no source to still back up the claim, I do not feel like viewers are missing out on information and removed the fixing tag and removed the statement. The high scores speak for themselves. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
To the IP user 78.148.155.34: Andrzejbanas has every right to remove the award claims if you cannot provide a link to the sources where said prizes were given to the game into the article. Just my two cents in this regard. Roberth Martinez (talk) 17:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

This article is listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests and I've had a go through. I've tidied up a lot of grammar & punctuation, but there's still a lot of repetition and overly-wordiness. I'm hesitant to dive too much into the content editing as I don't know anything about the topic and see there has been debate on this before! But happy to help fine-tune someone else's version. In general I think the tone needs to be more WP:Encyclopedic and the writing more succinct. TreeReader (talk) 00:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @TreeReader:! Thanks for going through the article. I removed the citation needed tags in the lead because per MOS:LEAD, I believe these elements don't need citations if they are cited in the prose? Did you feel these were too controversial of statements without a source?
For the reception, I'm going to try and re-format it back into prose instead of bullet points. But I think you did a good job of making this a better article generally. Thank you for your hard work on a topic that's not necessarily a personal interest of yours. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 10:51, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! I'd come straight from academic-must-cite-everything-mode. I hadn't read MOS:LEAD so thanks for pointing it out; it does say citations are allowed. I would recommend cutting the lead down a bit more since the article itself is very thorough. TreeReader (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)