# Talk:Road to Ruin (Ramones album)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Road to Ruin (Ramones album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 11:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: CrowzRSA
Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly.  --Seabuckthorn ♥ 11:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors: 
b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists: 

2: Verifiable with no original research

a. Has an appropriate reference section:  Yes
b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:  excellent (Thorough check on Google. Cross-checked with other FAs)

c. No original research:   Done

3: Broad in its coverage

4: Neutral

5: Stable: No edit wars, etc:  Yes
6: Images  Done (NFC with a valid FUR)

Thanks, CrowzRSA, very much for your diligence here. I do have some insights based on the above checklist that I think will improve the article: 

The first paragraph of the Conception section "After the band's previous album … Marc Bell went under the alias of Marky Ramone" appears somewhat offtopic to me. I’m not sure how it’s relevant to the conception of the album. The drummer Tommy Ramone’s replacement process can be, I believe, skimmed if not skipped.
I took a few things out, but I would think since it is the band's first change in line-up it woould be a significant topic to put on this page. I know it has more-so to do with the actual band rather than album, but I feel as though including the process the members went through to obtain a new drummer is notable to the album since it is more-or-less the origin/history of the album.———I took out the information on the alias and made certain things more concise.
Okay! Thanks!  --Seabuckthorn ♥ 01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
I think the statement "Even though the band had attempted to gain more mainstream acceptance with a change in musical style, it did not expand their audience as much as anticipated" can be more clear and easy to follow. (1a issue)
 Fixed — I reworded and added quote by Tommy to assure it was not against WP:POV.
"With the band's slight change in musical style, material included on the album was intended to gain a sense of mainstream acceptance, though the band members felt as though this was not achieved.[8][9] Tommy relates: "Road to Ruin was a flop Stateside, even though it had been a very deliberate attempt to secure American radioplay."[9]" That's perfect! Thanks a lot!  --Seabuckthorn ♥ 01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Besides that, I think the article looks excellent. Please feel free to strike out any recommendation from this review which you think will not help in improving the article which is our main aim here. All the best,  --Seabuckthorn ♥ 09:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick review Seabuckthorn!!! CrowzRSA 19:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your outstanding contributions!  --Seabuckthorn ♥ 01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Promoting the article to GA status.  --Seabuckthorn ♥ 01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, the second paragraph of the lead section of this article especially I feel could use work. It's uncited, and just focuses on asserting that fans and critics alike consider the album an attempt to get more airplay. And it wraps it up with "this attempt by the band failed". This doesn't come across as unbiased or fair to me. The opening paragraph was much more balanced, with positive as well. Pointing out that "I Wanna Be Sedated" became one of their most well known songs. 
I also feel the article could mention more of the album's legacy. How it's a fan favorite, and the reception part of the article points out some people love it, so why doesn't the opening lead section do that too? Since it mentions aspects of the reception, but mainly the negative aspect for some reason. Plus, sales does not equal reception, why would music history on wikipedia be so focused on the money aspect? But I digress there.
Stuff like how "I wanna be sedated" went on to become a hit with a music video a decade later for Ramones Mania, is featured in movies like Spider-Man: Far From Home etc, lots of things could be in this article about it's positive legacy. The album is covered in it's entirely by The Mr. T Experience, that's also interesting and cool. The album contains fan favs like I Just Wanna Have Something To Do, and She's The One was selected by Rhino as a music video to promote their 40th Anniversary re-release. It's been pointed out that the album shows the band evolving with diverse styles and influences. My point, it's also a beloved album, seemingly unanimously in the top 4 of a beloved band by most people who talk about the band today. It's also one of their top albums on Spotify. Could just use a more balanced lead section. Hopefully others would also be happy to help this article. 
Psychogoatee (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)