# Talk:Tiwa Savage

I don't think it is appropriate to tag her commercial affiliations and endorsements to the first sentence in her introduction. I might be wrong but I don't find similar trends in other notable biographical articles. I feel a subsection for that should be more appropriate.  
Secondly Tiwa Savage starred in the popular MTV series Shuga season 3 as a main cast, I feel it is only appropriate to add actress to her titles.
The above are just suggestions according to my little understanding of how Wikipedia works and am open to conflicting views. Thanks. 14:42, 5 March 2014 (UTC)Darreg (talk)

You can go ahead and create an endorsement section and add all of her endorsements there. I do not object to that. You can also add the part about her being an actress to the lead. versace1608 (talk) 20:46, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Here's the portrait without logo [1] --Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I think Tiwa's page is not up to date.,It should be edited and made up to date....
Lharnee Bloom (talk) 20:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)Lharnee Bloom Lharnee Bloom (talk) 20:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

The honorific title "Queen of Afrobeats" has been published in multiple sources. Since our job is to summarize sources for the reader, we should relay this information with as much context as possible. The following sources support the title:

Pareles, Jon (7 September 2020). "Tiwa Savage, Queen of Afrobeats, Makes a New Start". The New York Times. Retrieved 17 March 2023.
Danielle Kwateng. "Tiwa Savage, the Queen of Afrobeats, Fights the Patriarchy". Allure. Archived from the original on 18 February 2023. Retrieved 18 February 2023.
Dzakpata, Fred (2022-07-15). "Tiwa Savage gets Queen of Afrobeats doctorate". Asaase Radio. Retrieved 2023-03-16.
H, Blue (2020-08-18). "Who is the Queen of Afrobeats?". Gilox. Retrieved 2023-03-16.
"From Accounting to Afro Beats: The Incredible Journey of Tiwa Savage – Kent Business School". Retrieved 2023-03-16.
Jordan, Atiya (19 July 2022). "'It's Dr. Tiwa Savage From Now On': The Queen Of Afrobeats Receives Honorary Doctorate In Music". Black Enterprise. Retrieved 18 March 2022.
Staff (19 October 2021). "Tiwa Savage the queen of Afrobeat". Glamour. South Africa. Retrieved 18 March 2023.
Doby, Jerry (21 March 2022). "'Queen of Afrobeats' Tiwa Savage Reveals Headlining 'Water & Garri' Tour of North America". Hype. Retrieved 18 March 2023.
"Queen of Afrobeats: Tiwa Savage denies being pregnant". Peoples Gazette. News Agency of Nigeria. 28 April 2021. Retrieved 18 March 2023.
"Tiwa Savage gets Queen of Afrobeats doctorate". Dateline Nigeria. BBC. 15 July 2022. Retrieved 18 March 2023.
Mlaba, Khanyi (15 September 2021). "Tiwa Savage Wants Black Girls to Love the Skin They're In: The Queen of Afrobeats is using her voice to call for justice and equity for all". Global Citizen. Retrieved 18 March 2023.
Omolaja, Temi (30 July 2022). "Queen Of Afrobeats Performance In Uganda Was Worth the hype". The Key Point. Nigeria. Retrieved 18 March 2023.
Osiebe, Garhe (27 December 2022). "Afrobeats in 2022: global mobility, election songs, placemaking albums – and Tems". The Conversation. Retrieved 18 March 2023. 'Queen of Afrobeats', 42-year-old Tiwa Savage, joined forces with Asake...
Note that other artists have been called the Queen of Afrobeats. Yemi Alade, for instance... See Sponsored content from Uber or a 2016 item in The Fader. May7ven's manager started promoting her as Queen of Afrobeats in 2005, and the title is still  used by some.[2] Fans of Tems called her the Queen of Afrobeats following her sweep of BET Awards in June 2022, sparking a bit of controversy with fans of Tiwa Savage.[3][4][5] Niniola has been called Queen of Afrobeats,[6] probably by her public relations staff. Tiwa herself said in 2020 that she did not deserve the honorific title because so many others were working just as hard in the genre.[7] Including Tiwa's denial, I think appropriate parts of these media pieces can be summarized here in the Tiwa page. Binksternet (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Binksternet: Thanks for finding additional information about other acts who have been called the Queen of Afrobeats. Like I said in my last edit summary on the article's revision page, it is not the norm to include honorific names in the article's lede or body, especially when another artist is known by the exact same title. Justin Timberlake, Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars, Harry Styles and Troye Sivan have all been called the "Prince of Pop", yet I do not see this info in any of their articles. Why is this so Binksternet? Please move the discussion from your talk page to this page.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 19:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
It is certainly the norm to include widely used honorific titles in musician biographies. You will find "Godfather of Soul" and other honorics at James Brown, "Princess of Pop" at Britney Spears, "The Voice" at Whitney Houston, and of course "King of Pop" at Michael Jackson. Wikipedia is always a work in progress, so perhaps the biographies without prominent honorific titles can be expanded slightly to include them.
Regarding the "Prince of Pop" moniker, the media apparently haven't settled on Bieber (or anyone else) quite enough to cement the label in place. But for Tiwa Savage, her title is very widely used, which is why we are here discussing it. Binksternet (talk) 21:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
@Binksternet: I don't think the media will cement the "Prince of Pop" honorific name. It doesn't make sense to have multiple acts all sharing the exact same honorific title word for word. The "Princess of Pop" moniker is in the Britney Spears article because no one else has been referred to by that title. This also applies to Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson. The monikers they have aren't as controversial as the "Prince of Pop" and "Queen of Afrobeats" monikers.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 23:32, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Great! Since you agree it's a controversial moniker, I'll prepare an expansion of the bio about it. Controversy in a biography is an important part of it. Binksternet (talk) 00:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Whether I agree or not is irrelevant. Can you show me where the "Prince of Pop" moniker has a controversial section in the Justin Timberlake, Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars, Harry Styles and Troye Sivan articles? You are hellbent on adding this frivolous info to the article by any means necessary, aren't you? I was of the opinion that you would be letting this rest after discovering other artists who have been called the "Queen of Afrobeats", apart from just Yemi Alade. Show me multiple articles where this "controversy" was discussed and I'd agree to your proposal. I feel like there are more important things to do on here than drag this out. Since it appears that you are now a fan of Tiwa Savage, maybe you can create an article about her "Somebody's Son" single. I intend on writing an article about that song but I have tons of other articles on my to-do list.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 00:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)