# Talk:The Winds of Winter (Game of Thrones)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the word "Rhaegar" is never uttered in this episode.  It's pretty clear from context that J=R+L, but let's not go beyond what the dialogue actually says. Jclemens (talk) 07:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

I was going to mention that same thing and do cleanup but would've taken too long and you're already halfway done with corrections. NoCitations (talk) 07:31, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for putting that on the record.— TAnthonyTalk 14:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I hate to be picky, but it's also not actually stated in the episode that it is Jon Snow.  The cut to him implies it, but the actual scene doesn't SAY it. 213.104.176.176 (talk) 07:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
It's okay to be picky, but the scene doesn't have to implicitly name the child as Jon; especially seeing as Dan and Dan want the child's POTENTIALLY TRUE name to be a secret. The show never named Leaf, yet all articles so far have referred to her as Leaf because of supplemental material. Likewise, HBO has already confirmed the child is Jon on their Game of Thrones Viewer Guide. It's okay to put a pin on naming Jon's father for awhile, but there's no need to dance around naming Lyanna's child as Jon Snow. http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-6/episode-10/people/61/jon-snow 159.63.130.2 (talk) 18:05, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
The article doesn't.  If you want to put it elsewhere in the article, that's fine, but none of the rest of the plot summary references external explanations.  I'm trying to walk a fine line here, describing how the scene communicates to us that this is Jon without saying things that it does not.  I've had my notation of the editing (baby's face -> Jon's face) deleted a couple of times without explanation, and I would really like to understand why. Jclemens (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
I deleted it. It's because WP:TVPLOT says that the plot section should not exceed 500 words. By my count, it's almost 900. Much like the episode didn't outright say that was Jon Snow, we don't need to do so either, especially with words at a premium in an episode where a lot happened. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
That's among the less solid reasons for deleting an item I've ever heard.  A lot happened, and sometimes it takes a lot to convey it.  TVPLOT is entirely appropriate for an episode of Friends (where 50 words might suffice), but let's not pretend that it's a one-size-fits-all guideline. Jclemens (talk) 02:07, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to disappoint, but TVPLOT applies to all TV, including Game of Thrones. There's no reason that it wouldn't. The plot summary as it is is almost twice as long as TVPLOT suggests, because of the complicated nature of the plot. Still, care should be taken to use as few words as possible to get across the nuts and bolts. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:37, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Right, but TVPLOT is a style guideline.  That is, it can be overridden by local consensus at will.  It'll keep the article from getting to FA status (and frankly I think a GA nom is premature as the article is not sufficiently stable yet), but that's OK if it actually tells things better.  One option, however is to pull that tidbit out of PLOT, and discuss in a section how J = R + L evolved, and how this is the closest thing we've ever gotten to a confirmation.  I'll see if I can get around to trying that this weekend... Jclemens (talk) 06:48, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I had a go at it.  Feel free to improve if you see a way to: [1] Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 07:27, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure that linking Tommen's suicide to an article about suicide by jumping is particularly informative or helpful, but perhaps others feel differently?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.187.12 (talk) 22:11, 27 June 2016 (UTC) 

I agree, that is overlinking and I've undone it.— TAnthonyTalk 22:58, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

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This is listed as fantasy despite being a soap opera? The night king kills Arya in the winds of winter (talk) 15:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted your genre change again, but thank you for opening this discussion as WP:BRD indicates. To indicate that this is a soap opera, there would need to be reliable sources indicating that the show falls into said genre. While this article states that season six "has a prime-time soap sheen, bringing characters back from the dead seemingly to placate fans", it does not explicitly call it a soap opera, and to use it as a reference for such is presumably synthesis. --Kinu t/c 00:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)