# Talk:Wolverine (character)

https://www.cbr.com/best-anti-heroes-marvel-comics-deadpool-punisher/
There are other sources,im afraid links wont getbpisted here due ti wikipedia scam system 46.70.169.8 (talk) 14:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I’ve added information about Wolverine’s first solo story to the lead because he is not a typical popular comic book character who began as a protagonist or debuted in his own series. Wolverine initially appeared as an antagonist for the Hulk and was later added as a supporting character for the X-Men to help create a team of multinational heroes. In the 1970s, John Byrne revealed that Chris Claremont had considered writing Wolverine out of the X-Men because the creative team struggled to find a direction for him. John Byrne persuaded Claremont to keep him on the team. The first story to focus on Wolverine as the main character marks an important historical milestone. 
At least three industry leaders—CovrPrice, Key Collector, and mycomicshop—have identified "At the Sign of a Lion" as Wolverine’s first solo story. Additionally, a representative from Marvel has stated that the reprinted version of this story in Marvel Treasury #26 is "(Wolverine's) first solo story without the X-Men." This story was largely unknown for over 45 years but has very recently gained attention. The main reason is that it was published in the UK in 1979 with very limited distribution and was not distributed in the US. Currently, CGC has no copies of this issue listed on its census. LoganHunter22 (talk) 16:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

A quote from a blog article at GoCollect (https://gocollect.com/blog/x-men-133-vs-marvel-uk-335-which-is-wolverines-first-solo-story)
"Why does it matter? For a popular character like Wolverine whose first appearance is in another character's series and had only appeared as a complementary character in a team-up book (the X-Men) through the end of the 1970s, the first comic book where he is the primary focus of the story is significant for Wolverine fans." LoganHunter22 (talk) 16:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
While the fact that he made a solo appearance at that point may be worth a brief mention in the introduction, the details of the story are not. The story content is not significant in the in-universe history -- can't be, because few (including probably few of those who have written the character since) have read it. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
I understand. Fair point. The details of the story have been removed. LoganHunter22 (talk) 05:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
The difficulty here is that no secondary source establishes that this story is particularly notable. Wikipedia depends on secondary sources. CovrPrice, Key Collector, and mycomicshop are not reliable sources. Wrangler1981 (talk) 20:31, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree that those sources are not notable.
Marvel themselves describe the reprinted story in The Uncanny X-Men Omnibus Vol. 2 (which includes Marvel Treasury Edition #26) as “Wolverine’s first solo story,” which they deemed worthy of mention.
https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/89913/the_uncanny_x-men_omnibus_vol_2_trade_paperback LoganHunter22 (talk) 21:47, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Presently the intro paragraph identifies Wolverine as solely a character, with a note suggesting that whether he is considered a superhero or an antihero is subjective. While he has antiheroic traits, there are certainly hundreds of reliable sources that characterize him as a superhero. E.g. "Wolverine superhero" gets 139,000 hits on Google whereas "Wolverine antihero" gets 742. I think the intro sentence should designate him as a superhero, and then the later sections in the page elaborate the unusual aspects of the character that make him an antihero. Wrangler1981 (talk) 20:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Wolverine (character)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Wrangler1981 (talk · contribs) 00:59, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: PanagiotisZois (talk · contribs) 15:40, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm taking up this nomination. I'll go through each section in the main body first, leaving the lede for last. Expect comments to come in phases. That way, you don't have to wait too long for me to go through the whole article, and be bombarded at once with multiple suggestions; something that can be off putting. In a "phases" format, while you work on certain section, I can simultaneously keep moving on to the next ones. Still, just looking at the article now, it looks much better than it did before.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:40, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
All right, these are my initial comments. I apologize for being a stick in the mud, but I believe the article will need quite some work to be up to standard with pages like Captain America and Black Widow. So that I don't bombard you with TOO much stuff, I'll leave you with these comments for now.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:04, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok. I will work on this over the next few days. Wrangler1981 (talk) 21:21, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
I have responded to all of these edits. You will note that in some cases I have simply deleted the sentence, in instances when the info turned to be contentious or insufficiently supported. FWIW, I was not the original author of most of these early sections, although I provided references to support claims when I found them. Wrangler1981 (talk) 22:59, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the swift response. The whole thing looks much better now. To be honest, there are still a few minor things I'd like to discuss, but I'll leave that for when I've actually gone through the whole article at least once. PanagiotisZois (talk) 00:04, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
Yes, there's certainly more to do. I appreciate your help. Wrangler1981 (talk) 01:29, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
I can do the rest of "publication history" over the next few days. Wrangler1981 (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
I've done most of these new edits now. There are a few matters of detail when I need to check sources; I'll try to have that done this evening. Wrangler1981 (talk) 15:30, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
I have responded to almost all of your questions about the 1990s-2020s publication history, and incorporated new information. There a few small cases in which I was unable to provide the requested info because of gaps in the sources. Please let me know if we should do another round of edits on the "Publication History" section as a whole, now that it is in pretty good shape, or if we should move on to the "Biography." Wrangler1981 (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
To be honest, that is something I too was contemplating. I actually had started going through the "Biography" section, but since you brought it up, I could go through the "Publication" one again.
And thank you for all your hard work on this article, not only do you simply copyedit things, you go above and beyond to extrapolate more information from the sources to add here. As an X-Men fan (thought I still haven't read past issue #140-ish) it is great to see a member of the team have such a well-written article. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:47, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
Great. Thanks. I have been compiling research sources for the later sections, too. It's fun to actively engage with the critical literature and development of characters from childhood. Wrangler1981 (talk) 23:03, 17 October 2025 (UTC)


### Publication history
OK, I've gone through the rest of the "Publication history" section. It does need some work, but we're making great progress. :D Once things are better clarified, I can also look into how some things could be reorganized, so that we follow a clear chronological order.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 00:23, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

All right. I've gone through the "Publication history" section again. Here are my comments.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:44, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok. I have done all of this.
Yes, the source says that Sabretooth is already established as Wolverine's nemesis in Mutant Massacre (I ::think nemesis is a synonym for archenemy).
About Marvel Comic Presents: It's an anthology series, but in the early 1990s the first and leading story ::in the magazine was always a short Wolverine story. Wolverine was always on the cover, because the was ::the main draw or the star or whatever. Somewhere in omnibus #3 it is described as his unofficial third ::title. I think the phrase "cover story" seems like a reasonable way to explain his continuing featuring ::role in this series. Do you think there is a better way to convey this information?
The exact specifics about Silvestri's illustration of the Wolverine title are not supplied in my source.
I can elaborate further on the other questions, if my edits are not self-explanatory. Wrangler1981 (talk) 21:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
Also: I have not been able figure out when Wolverine returned to the X-Men after his adamantium got ripped out in the 1990s. His leave of absence went on for a while. Part of the problem is that sources tend to skip past the late 1990s, because it's kind of a fallow period. Wrangler1981 (talk) 21:27, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
For now, leaving it as "cover story" seems fine. I appreciate all the changes. Due to work and being somewhat under the weather these last few days, it will take me some time to go through the following sections. PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:49, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. Hope you feel better. I think I find the later sections more interesting, actually. Wrangler1981 (talk) 16:59, 21 October 2025 (UTC)


### Fictional character biography
Regarding this section, in general, I think the character's name should change based on what he was using at the time. So, until James/Logan takes on the name Wolverine, he should only be called by his given name.
Also, using a similar structure to other GA/FA Marvel character articles, anything that happened in the character's past, specifically before joining the X-Men should be treated in the past sense. By contrast, anything that happened to Logan after his encounter with the Hulk and then the X-Men should be present tense. So basically, everything in the first 3 paragraphs should be in the past sense.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 16:11, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

I'll do the best I can with this; I'll do the easiest things first. I think the difficult thing about this biography is that comic-book characters are so convoluted in their life-history, and Wolverine is especially that way: constant transformative events and ret-cons. Some of the trickiest parts – Mariko broke off the engagement, but she did so because she was mind-controlled by one of the Hellfire Club guys, and then the wedding was back on; Jubilee doesn't show up until Jean Grey had already been resurrected in X-Factor, but as I recall Logan didn't find out about this and meet Jean again until later, when he'd already met Jubilee; the exact relationship between Team X, Weapon X, the false memories, and Logan's recovery of the memories is unbelievably confusing and inconsistent until House of M; and the whole thing with Laura first appearing to be a clone and then later discovered to be his daughter is also confusing. I can fix the simpler things initially though, and then take a stab at these messy, inconsistent points. Wrangler1981 (talk) 16:55, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
I'm sure that I can find good enough answers to all of these questions if I just draw from the synopses in the encyclopedia and the Manning book. It's not too big deal. Probably will take 2-3 days. Wrangler1981 (talk) 19:55, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
Ok, I've done these things. It was much less complicated than it seemed at first. In some cases I could resolve the difficulty by deleting unnecessary clauses left over from earlier drafts of the biography. The part that might still need some clarification is the part about his traumatic amnesia and false memories, which is hard to write about just because the stories themselves are inconsistent. Wrangler1981 (talk) 20:38, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
Wow, that was fast! I think it's good enough for now. Maybe I'll look over it again later. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:51, 25 October 2025 (UTC)


### Personality and themes
### Themes and motifs
### Supporting characters
The sections about Logan's relationships and his alternate version are pretty good, though I'll go over them again. I do think that the "Allies" and "Enemies" sections are kinda small.
Do any of the sources comment on Wolverine's relationships with some of his fellow X-Men? I know that he is especially close to Nightcrawler and has a good friendship with Storm; at least from the comics I've read up until the early 1980s.
As for the villains section, it would be good if we had some descriptors of his enemies. Do any of the sources mention the Silver Samurai? I know he's a pretty significant enemy  of Wolverine.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 11:52, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

Some personal observations here, though I am more familiar with 1980s, late 1990s, and 2000s stories than modern ones.:
Nightcrawler gets on Wolvie's nerves in early issues (with Wolvie getting mad and attacking when Kurt kisses Wolvie's girlfriend under a mistletoe), and then gets  treated as Wolvie's best friend and surrogate brother over the course of several years. Nearly every time a plot involves a coordinated attack on Wolvie's family and loved ones, Kurt is included among them.
Wolvie also plays the role of a big brother to Colossus in several stories. Helping him recover from break-ups for example.
Wolvie has had a close friendship with Storm for decades, and he was briefly treated as one of her love interests in the early 2000s. The main exceptions with tensions in their relationship was in the early 1980s during Storm's "punk" phase. Wolvie was among the first X-Men to notice that she was not just more ruthless than she was in previous years (willing to kill foes or to sacrifice allies), but also far more reckless and potentially self-destructive.
Wolvie has played the role of mentor and surrogate father to both Shadowcat and Jubilee, and he is often noted to be closer to them than their surviving blood relatives. A story about a decade ago had a subplot that Wolvie still views an adult Jubilee as his teenage daughter and treats her accordingly. To a lesser extent, Wolvie has tried to become Armor's mentor.
Rogue was widely distrusted when she joined the X-Men in 1983, since she was one of their old foes. Wolvie was the first team member to actually trust her, and he allowed her to absorb his own healing factor following her near-fatal encounter with Viper. He has been among her closest allies ever since. He was also among the first people to support Rogue's appointment as the new team leader in the early 2000s, because she was able to outthink him and best him in a duel, and she was more experienced or level-headed than most of the remaining team members.
Archangel basically despised Wolvie during most of their interactions in the 1980s. They had a rather closer relationship in the 1990s, including Wolvie offering help to Archangel and Psylocke in situations which did not involve the X-Men or their causes.
Marrow pretty much hated Wolvie when she joined the team in the mid-1990s. He attempted to discipline her with his version of "tough love", with tactics that the other X-Men viewed as common bullying. Dimadick (talk) 13:19, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
I can try to include some of this info. Wolverine's "mentorship" relation to Colossus is noted in the earlier section about themes. The main difficulty is 1) keeping the info succinct enough for an encyclopedic format) and 2) citing the secondary sources rather than direct interpretation of primary sources. Wrangler1981 (talk) 16:38, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
Yes, I definitely think the villains/enemies section should be filled out a little bit. I will work on this over the weekend. Wrangler1981 (talk) 16:39, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
I guess I'm having trouble determining how much detail I should include. The Iron Man and Black Widow articles are simpler because they don't have extensive rogues' galleries like Wolverine does, and I don't think they are quite so intertwined with other Marvel characters. Wrangler1981 (talk) 19:11, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
I've made some additions to supporting characters. Would further detail be warranted? Wrangler1981 (talk) 20:23, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
Yeah, that's one of the issues with Wolverine, I guess. Although characters like Captain America and Iron Man are also part of a team, they both (especially Cap) had their own comics before they joined the Avengers. And as far as I know, they've always had their own comics. Wolverine by contrast was part of the X-Men from the beginning, and it wasn't until nearly 15 years later he even got his own ongoing title.
Anyhow, the section definitely looks better now. Something I'm curious about, in their articles, it's stated Iron Man's enemies were usually tied to communism, whereas Captain America's were tied to Nazism. Do any of the sources state something along the lines of that regarding Logan's enemies? Or possible his love interests?
I've noticed that many of Logan's enemies and paramours are Japanese. I mean, his first was Itsu, was a Japanese civilian (should she be included), and decades later, he became engaged to Mariko, and eventually had a relationship to Yukio; all Japanese. Plus, one of his most prominent enemies is the Silver Samurai, and the Hand is a secret society of ninjas. Overall, he's closely tied to Japan.
I know that Logan's own tied to Japanese culture are brought up in the "Themes" section, but I'm wondering if any sources bring up this Japanese connection regarding his consorts and/or enemies? PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:57, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
Interesting question – while I was revising this, it also struck me that so many of his enemies (and also allies and lovers) are Japanese. I hadn't really noticed it before. It's different than Captain America vs. Nazism or Iron Man vs. Communism, though – comparison brings out some interesting points. Socioeconomically I'm sure it has to do with the perception of competition with Japan in the 1980s but also the idea that Japan is not a military enemy in that period but rather an economic and cultural competitor. Working on this actually makes me want to write a real academic article on "the meaning of Wolverine." There is not a good survey on "Wolverine and Japan" in scholarly writing yet. Wrangler1981 (talk) 23:23, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
I mean, the point of distinction is that Captain America and Iron Man *hate* Nazism and Communism, whereas Logan loves Japan; he just wants to fit into what he perceives as the best parts of its culture and has to prove himself by fighting their best warriors and destroying ... like corrupt aspects of Japanese society or something like that. Wrangler1981 (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
That is an interesting analysis of why Japan was so prevalent in Wolverine stories during the 1980s (and not only with him). And I love your take on how his enemies relate to corrupt aspects of Japanese culture that he wishes to take care of. If you do ever write a paper, let me know! PanagiotisZois (talk) 20:55, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! It is possible that someday I'll publish something about this. Wrangler1981 (talk) 21:09, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
I think we are putting the finishing touches on this article. Some things we should discuss: 1) What to do with that 1979 "first Wolverine solo story" that another editor finds important. I don't think the sources for it are very good, and right now it receives undue weight. We should figure out how to edit this appropriately. 2) I need to go through and fill out some of the references in Sfn format. I can do that with like 30 minutes effort. I guess we need citations for each of the Hugh Jackman films and the X-Men animated shows? Wrangler1981 (talk) 14:46, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

I had work, so i didn't get the chance to look through the article much the last few days. I'll go through the last few sections within the next few days, though it's not like much work is needed.
To answer your question: 1) I honestly don't think the info about Logan's first solo story is important. Especially given the sources themselves don't seem to be all that high quality. 2) If possible, it'd be nice to alsovhave a section dedicated to some of Logan's appearances in video games. Do any of the sources state how Logan was depicted in each of the X-Men cartoons? I mean, the 90s cartoon was quite significant for being his first major appearance outside of comics. Plus, the 2009 cartoon had him as the lead, with his name in the title. PanagiotisZois (talk) 18:59, 2 November 2025 (UTC)


### Reception and legacy & In other media
OK, the first paragraph is clearly about a general overview of Wolverine. Regarding the statement that "Woverine is one of the most popular Marvel superheroes", is that cited somewhere?
I think the three sources used here are great. However, I do think at least some of the comments made by each writer in these lists should be included. I briefly looked over the Wizard magazine source. Something like the comment about Wolverine becoming popular during the 1970s, which was "the perfect time for a more nebulous hero to thrive in a culture where faith was lost" is interesting as to why he became so well-known. Or that he "fight[s] the bad guys with bad guy rules".
If you want, I can look through these three sources and find some of the most significant things that could be included here.
For Paragraph #4, I think that highlighting some of Wolverine's biggest stories is great. However, I don't think we need to get too into the details of how well-received the stories themselves were. For example, Astonishing X-Men winning an Eisner has to do with the story itself, not the character.
I actually wanted to write such a paragraph, but you kinda beat me to the punch. I have compiled a list of sources on the article's talk page, where various writers/publications provide their favourite Wolverine stories. The way I'd do it, I'd look at some of the stories that appear in 2 or more of these lists, and see what each writers has to say about them; if more than two people have the same things to say about "X story", even better. Ideally, I'd also try to include the statements that pertain not just to the story arcs themselves, but to Wolverine himself in particular.
Again, if you want, I can try to write such a paragraph myself.
Regarding the section about Logan's appearances outside of comics, I think it is notable to note that Logan actually got nominated for an Oscar for Best Screenplay; I think it's the first superhero film to achieve this.
Ideally, the voice actors for Logan's appearances in the cartoons should be included.
Sidenote: do any of the sources state whether any of the cartoons influenced Wolverine's perception by the public or depiction in the comics? There is a sentence about the 1990s cartoon, but that's it. If the sources don't provide any additional info, that's all right.
Wolverine's anime series should be included, as this makes him the only X-Men character to have two television series named after him.
Some of the solo Wolverine games should be listed, particularly as we have an upcoming Triple-A title coming up.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 01:14, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
1. Added citation; also widely attested in the other articles in the paragraph.
2. Ok I will look at this; it would be great if you can help with selection and writing in this process.
Paragraph 4: Yes, please help me out.
Animation: I added another sentence about just how popular the 1992 cartoon was. One of the main effects was to broaden the demographics of his appeal. Before the cartoon, Wolverine's fan base was comics readers – generally ages 10-14. The cartoon introduced him to 6-10 year olds. More broadly, part of the story of his reception is demographic change; the comic books in the 2000s are clearly written for adults, while the 1980s-'90s stories are for kids and teenagers. The later Hugh Jackman films are also clearly for older teenagers and for adults. *Unfortunately*, I cannot find a reliable source that points this out.
I will add the anime series, although I don't know anything about it.
Point #5 – I do not know anything about video games, or where to find reliable sources about them.
The books and articles I have about Wolverine all focus on the comics depiction. There are lots of RS about the films, too. But there are not very many reliable sources that discuss cartoons or video games, at least not that I am aware of. Wrangler1981 (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
1. For the most part, I agree. Though I was slightly worried the statement could come across as synthesis and cause minor issues in the future if you are to take the article through FAC. Glad a source is provided.
I can try to go through Paragraphs 1 and 4. Hopefully, you'll like the end result. And try to see the "In other media" part.
Sidenote: Something I wanted to bring up about the online sources. I've noticed that quite a few are not properly cited. For example the source at the end of Logan's appearances in cartoons is just "Inverse. Oral History." Ideally, they all use the same template. PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:09, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
Yes; I'm going to go through and SFN-ize everything when we've agreed on the content. Wrangler1981 (talk) 15:54, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
Oh, and as always, thank you for your tremendous work on the article and your patience with me. Soon, our work here will be done. PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:10, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help. This is fun, and I think we will both be proud of the results when it's all finished.
I want to mention one last thing about reliable secondary sources: There is a new book about Wolverine published by DK that is coming out about a week from today, that I have already pre-ordered: https://www.dk.com/ca/book/9798217126385-wolverine-the-ultimate-guide/.
When I receive this, I will probably be able to expand and update the article a bit and to improve sourcing. Wrangler1981 (talk) 16:35, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
BTW this is the canonical answer to how he got his code name, although I think there were other alternative explanations given previously: https://screenrant.com/wolverine-code-name-origin-marvel-comics/
Not sure if this is worth including in the article. Wrangler1981 (talk) 16:41, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
Probably not. The fact Screen Rant is a Valnet source doesn't help. PanagiotisZois (talk) 00:07, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
All right. I believe the "In other media" section is mostly finished. The only thing I'd have to add is some info on Insomniac's upcoming game. What are your thoughts on the section? I wanted to ensure only to most basic and significant enough information is included. I thought highlighting Cal Dodd (both here and in the infobox) is important because 1) the 90s cartoon was Wolverine's first major appearance outside of the comics and 2) as one of the sources state, is what helped popularize him further.
Concerning the "Reception" section I'm going through the paragraph about Wolverine's story arcs. I have found 4 reliable and pretty high-quality sources that take a holistic approach to Wolverine stories and rank the 10 best ones. From those 4 sources, there are only 2 stories that appear in all of them: the 1982 miniseries and the "Weapon X" story arc. An additional 6 story arcs appear in 2 out of the 4 sources.
I was thinking that the paragraph could emulate the one from Iron Man's article and go something like "Some of the most acclaimed Wolverine stories include the 1982 miniseries and 'Weapon X'. The former was praised for XYZ thing and did this with Logan, while 'Weapon X' did ZYX thing and some other thing with Logan's characterization." Then I simply bring up these other 6 story arcs being some of the "other Wolverine stories that have received praise".
Lastly, regarding this paragraph: Old Man Logan appear in 2 or 3 out of the 4 sources. I wasn't sure about including it here, as it explicitly takes place in an alternate timeline rather than Earth-616. Do you think it should still be included?--PanagiotisZois (talk) 00:51, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

I am glad that you found these sources. I guess Old Man Logan should be included, even though I honestly don't particularly care for it (just my opinion). Although it is an alternate version, it was the inspiration for both Logan and Deadpool & Wolverine, and it was published in the mainline Wolverine title. Wrangler1981 (talk) 02:27, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
Oh, and I basically agree with how the "other media" section works. I think the Iron Man article has less about animated versions, but I guess with Wolverine the 1992 series was really significant in introducing him to a mass audience, and that's unique. Wrangler1981 (talk) 02:29, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
Hey. This review has gone on for far longer that I anticipated. While there are still a few (relatively small) things that should be done, at this point, I have neither the time or energy to do them. I do think the article is in a much better state now, and I appreciate all your effort. The only thing remaining for you to do now is to properly format all sources, and we can be done.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 00:25, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Ok sounds great. Wrangler1981 (talk) 14:19, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
Ok. I think the citations are good now. There was some trial and error because I tried to turn everything into SFN format, but this didn't work very well with some of the news articles, and I had to switch them back. I think the formatting is up to standards now though. I also had to delete a couple things that only had sources from CBR (Valnet), and I couldn't find alternative verification. Please let me know if I am missing anything. Wrangler1981 (talk) 19:29, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
All right. Thank you for your patience and hard work the past month. There is not doubt that the article is in a MUCH better state now than it was before you got your wondrous hands on it. Definitely has the potential to become FA now. :D The references don't all need to use the SFN template, thought there's also some that use the "web cite" formatting. What was the issue with those?--PanagiotisZois (talk) 23:14, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
I'm not sure. Would you prefer I change some of them to a different formatting style? Wrangler1981 (talk) Wrangler1981 (talk) 23:32, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
Wait, was the problem that certain "SFN" formats were the same because the two (or more) sources were by the same author AND the same date? Meaning that they sort of like, contradicted each other? Because in situations like that, I've seen things like the Revolutionary Girl Utena get around this by labelling sources with the same author/date as, for example "sfn|X author|X dateA" then "X dateB" and so on.
For example the two Comics Journal sources would be "sfn|O'Neil|2023a" for the one from March, and "2023b" for the one from September. PanagiotisZois (talk) 01:07, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
Yes; I tried doing "anchor date" for this situation, but sometimes it doesn't work. If it really matters, I can figure it out. Wrangler1981 (talk) 02:05, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
I was also having difficulty with some new sites that use dates; the "year" link wasn't working out. Here again, if necessary I could probably resolve it. I have been figuring out all of this Wikipedia code on the fly. Wrangler1981 (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
Yeah, I get the feeling. I myself often get confused with all this code. Going back to the two Comics Journal sources, I was able to figure out how to properly format them to use the "sfn" format. You just take the, for example, "April 20, 2020" date and add a letter at the end: so it becomes "April 20, 2020a" and the next one becomes "November 20, 2020b". That way, when you have the same author and year in the "sfn" format, you just add "2020a" in there and it's formatted properly. PanagiotisZois (talk) 13:09, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
Thank you very much for this. So you don't need an "anchor year" ... that's how I've done it with edited volumes. Wrangler1981 (talk) 14:33, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
I don't think so. But I'm not 100% sure. And from what I checked, you only use anchor years twice in the article, so it's not much of an issue. PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:05, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
I have added some more recent info from the new DK book, and I was able to provide a reliable source for other major stories, and added this to the lede analogous to the Iron Man article. I feel like the quality of this article is now analogous to the other superhero FAs. Wrangler1981 (talk) 17:36, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
@Wrangler1981: Don't forget that the citations all need to use the same format, and that many of the online sources near that last couple of sections need to be changed into the (SFN) style. PanagiotisZois (talk) 13:19, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
I can work at this ... but the other FA superhero articles, Iron Man and Black Widow (Natasha Romanova), have citations in a different format when it comes to the "other media" section. I think they use Valnet sources, too. I am confused because the standards don't seem consistent. Wrangler1981 (talk) 16:16, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
Those other articles have different citations because they use the (sfn) format for print/book sources, and the (cite web) template for online sources. Since yiu seem to have already started using the (sfn) style for online sources, you'd have to either convert everything to the SFN format, or convert all web sources to the (cite web) style.
As for the Valnet sources, I have never participated in a source review during FACs. PanagiotisZois (talk) 16:53, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
Ok thank you. Wrangler1981 (talk) 17:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
All of the references are in SFN format.
For what it is worth: I have located another reliable source, a book called Wolverine: Creating Marvel's Legendary Mutant, by Mike Avila (2021). I should receive it in the mail sometime this week. If there is relevant information in that book, I will add it to this article. Wrangler1981 (talk) 21:36, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
All righty then. It has been a long process, but the Wolverine article has finally reached the point where it can be classified as a good article. (And I defnitely think it has the potential to become featured as well) Wrangler, I'm glad that you were willing to work with me on the article, and I do have to say I'm quite happy with its current state. You clearly put a lot of effort into the whole thing, and you should be proud of what you have accomplished. I hope you future work on this article goes well; plus any other projects you'd like to work on. This article passess.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 00:54, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Great work, @Wrangler1981! BOZ (talk) 01:15, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
Thanks!!! Wrangler1981 (talk) 01:19, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I was thinking of replacing the current infobox image with this one. (cover art of Wolverine: X Lives of Wolverine #5). It seems more suitable for an infobox since it shows various well-known incarnations of the character. What do you guys think? Lililolol (talk) 18:00, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

I think Wolverine (comic book) should be merged here. All of the info is here, with correct sourcing. What is left on the other page is either redundant or original research. Wrangler1981 (talk) 21:50, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

I do see some value in retaining the (comic book) article, as it can be improved and built up further, in a manner similar to The Amazing Spider-Man for example. BOZ (talk) 22:56, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
Oppose - As indicated by a few of the sources in this article, the page on the Wolverine comic could definitely be expanded upon. PanagiotisZois (talk) 23:10, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
Ok. I retract the suggestion. All of the RS are here, though. Wrangler1981 (talk) 23:29, 11 November 2025 (UTC)