# Talk:Wolfenstein: The New Order

Its a standard ass FPS, action adventure should be removed FMSky (talk) 19:14, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Reliable sources describe it is an action-adventure as well, e.g. [1]. IceWelder [✉] 19:31, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
But then we'd have to add it every other Wolfenstein game as well as they have the same exact gameplay. It would also mean that we'd have to add this to around 95% of first-person shooters. FMSky (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
Are there reliable sources describing the others as action-adventure games? I reckon Wolfenstein 3D definitely does not have the exact same gameplay, but that would be original research either way. IceWelder [✉] 19:35, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
I'm following this up a few months later. While there are sources that discuss it by the other genre, they are all promotional items from trailers or from the devs themselves. I find the ones discussing a trailer all are nearly using the same verbatim press release like statements and can be either seen as out of date from sources that have actually played the game over others that have played it. 
Without trying to cherry pick or search for a genre I feel is appropriate, I examined the reviews that are cited in the article:

Destructoid: "In many ways, Wolfenstein: The New Order is “First-Person Shooters: The Game,” but it gets most of the important details right." here
Eurogamer: "it is sometimes an exciting and accomplished first-person shooter, yet at other times it falls flat. ", "It's a decent shooter with a good few impressive moments,"here
Game Informer: "The varied environments do an effective job of keeping things fresh, and the varied cast is much more memorable that most first-person shooter campaigns." here
GameSpot: "For as much as The New Order's plot is about Blazkowicz rebelling against the Nazis' iron grip on the entire planet, it's also about the friction created when the original first-person shooter protagonist drops into a first-person shooter designed for 2014." here
Games Radar: "An over-the-top shooter with fun action, memorable set-piece moments"..."New Order is a shooter that revels in the act of shooting and, for the most part, gunning down thousands of Nazis through the nine-hour campaign is great fun." here
Giant Bomb "Genres: First-Person Shooter" " he mostly just operates as yet another all-too-capable first-person shooter protagonist." here
IGN: "The New Order doesn't do much to differentiate itself from the glut of shooters that come out every year." here
Engadget: "Wolfenstein: The New Order is a brassy and unapologetic shooter – the kind of game that Nazis typically find themselves in." and " a game that's not really slick enough to be an action classic"
Polygon: "The result [is that Wolfenstein The New Order] at the mercies of both old-school blast-em-up first-person shooters and the storytelling ambitions of its new stewards." "Wolfenstein: The New Order doesn't fail. Its bizarre love triangle of traditional shooter elements, sci-fi pulp and believable human angle becomes something much more than its origins would suggest." here
Videogamer.com: "A decent, but confused, shooter." "Genre(s): Action, First Person, Shooter" here
From my sources, the genre given by a numbers game would be 

first-person shooter or FPS at six mentions
shooter at 5.
action at 3 (with one cite being a bit iffy about it being called "action").
None of the reviews referred to it as an action-adventure game or any similar term. Per WP:OLDSOURCES, I would invest more weight on sources that have actually played the game than the current sources that use nearly duplicate verbiage from a press-release on a trailer. From the above, I'm leaning towards first-person shooter over the more generic "shooter", but would be happy to hear the opinion of others. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:40, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Since adding this content here, further sources, including one academic one has been added to the article. That being said, even when researching academic topics, first-person shooter comes up more for this game. And the source currently added is a very brief mention of the genre while the articles are about other topics related to the game. I don't really believe brief mentions in academic articles focused on representations of World War II or other themes in the game are good overviews of genre. I've selected a few that examine it more in-depth related to genre instead of one throw-away line.
No One is Ever Ready for Something Like This.” – On the Dialectic of the Holocaust in First-Person Shooters as Exemplified by Wolfenstein: The New Order" This article goes heavily into detail on how its game genre fits. "Precisely because Wolfenstein: The New Order is a first-person shooter, which otherwise stages the destructive superiority of the player as a central gameplay element in most game sequences, the camp scene is such a powerful incision. Agency is indeed intrinsic to the genre of the first-person shooter game, as Stephan Günzel has pointed out.[59] The first-person shooter thus actually offers players a special power over the game’s events, which not only manifests itself in concrete game actions, but also logically results from the aesthetics of this genre. In a first-person shooter, “point of view” and “point of action” coincide."
Levers and Watchtowers continiously goes into detail of its mechanics and its history within the FPS genre.
I can find more if needed, but I feel this more than adequate to suggest its primarily genre is FPS as no source goes into detail on how it does fit as an action-adventure except for brief one-off sentences that do no explain any game mechanics that have it fit that genre over this one. I'm requesting @Rhain: do discuss the topic instead of just editing content in the article as that will help us come to a conclusion faster. Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:48, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
Time to remove action adventure. It's an FPS FMSky (talk) 05:49, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
FWIW, nobody has suggested that FPS isn't the primary genre. In any case, I've rephrased. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:04, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
While that's true, the current phrasing is a bit vague. What are the action-adventure elements? I see this in a lot of articles where we sort of come to a midway. I was hoping to find something that explains maybe what these parts entail, but its not really helpful to say it has elements when the sources just sort of toss in the genre "action adventure" without going into detail. That being said, the same sources I mention above also toss in FPS and don't go into detail as most journalists or academics don't stress too hard how/why media fits a genre. I'm not saying we should gut it from the sentence, but maybe there's a better way to phrase it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
I suspected this might be a concern; I've added some minor info for now. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 17:00, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! Its a bit a mouthful of a genre area, but I think this helps clarify the details. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:15, 17 November 2025 (UTC)