# Talk:The Beatles in Hamburg

It could be notable that George's quote about the "naughtiest city in the world" echoes the Reeperbahn's age-old established tourist-attraction slogan of being die sündigste Meile der Welt ("the most sinful mile in the world") in German, see for instance [1], [2]. That slogan can't be much newer than the time of the lads's stay there, as by the 1970s, all the actually sinful parts were already beginning to re-locate to Herbertstraße, leaving the Reeperbahn itself mostly with casinos, restaurants, theaters, and small opera houses (also see the Deutsche Welle link about that). In fact, I think that slogan that George's quote seems to resemble already appears in the 1944 film Große Freiheit Nr. 7.
What's also missing would be how Paul told either in Barry Miles's Many years from now or in the Anthology book how the Reeperbahn was where he learned to tune their guitars only by putting his head on their sound boxes to feel each string's individual vibration by sense of touch alone. This was because the only time they were given to tune their guitars was when the other bands were playing 24/7 at top volume next to them on the stage or next to the room they were sleeping at, and Paul concedes that this hard Reeperbahn apprenticeship gave him the skill to learn to play any instrument under the sun by himself within hours or even just minutes. --2003:71:4E07:BB23:9163:E32E:3FE1:A5D3 (talk) 22:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at WT:BEATLES#Craig Cross.  Ojorojo (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2019 (UTC) —Ojorojo (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Have always forgotten to raise this until now, but "Sex, drugs and rock and roll" as a section name? This is Wikipedia; wouldn't something more formal like 'Hedonism' or 'Debauchery' (or both) be preferred? As for "Astrid Kirchherr, Voormann, and Vollmer", why is only Astrid referred to in full (because the section name would be too long I imagine, but it should be consistent or better yet renamed to something like 'Associates', 'Social cirlce' or something, maybe?--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 06:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

A number of statements in the "Leaving Liverpool" section contradict the exhaustively-researched "extended version" of Lewisohn's Beatles History. There are likely other similar issues in the greater entry "The Beatles in Hamburg". Jsusky (talk) 22:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

The recording with Tony Sheridan at Friedrich-Ebert-Halle was not the first recording in the band's history. In fact, The Quarrymen had been recorded on the fateful day that John met Paul at the Wollton village fete. With John, Paul, and George, they recorded "That'll be the day" b/w "In Spite of All the Danger" on 12 July 1958 in Liverpool. And after that, they regularly recorded themselves in their parents's living rooms with various tape recorders. Except for the recording at the Woolton village fete, a number of those recordings were published on Anthology 1. --2003:DA:CF39:B850:B0C1:6147:7FAF:C2D2 (talk) 04:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I see, it has been amended now as "first released recording". Perfect wording, and it's so obvious I feel ashamed I couldn't think of it myself in my above criticism. --2003:DA:CF2E:4554:B955:F52F:6629:E7FF (talk) 01:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

The article converts the 330 Deutschmarks the band received for the recording of My Bonnie as "about $75". While it's perfectly in-line with Wikipedia standards and very helpful to give conversions for foreign and historical currencies, not only do (Wikipedia) articles and books about the (early) history of the greatest band of all time usually deal in Pounds in such cases, for obvious reasons. But what's more, no matter what currency is used as equivalent, the information is entirely useless when not pointing out whether one is accounting for inflation, as such that one discloses whether the given equivalent are "1961 Dollars" or is "equal to x Pounds in 2024". --2003:DA:CF2E:4554:B955:F52F:6629:E7FF (talk) 01:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Here's a German-language documentary podcast from 2024 about The Beatles in Hamburg, with 6 episodes, one hour in length each, made by Norddeutscher Rundfunk (which was originally founded in 1946 in the British Zone of Occupation, distinctly styled after the system of good ol' Auntie Beeb), complete with interviews with contemporary eye witnesses, such as John's half-sister Julia Baird (teacher) and Berry Chang, the brother-in-law of their first manager Allan Williams, who went with them on their first Hamburg visit: Becoming The Beatles - Die Hamburger Jahre, which could be mined for more information for this article.
For example, I was surprised to hear that unlike it was shown in Backbeat (1994), they didn't arrive at the Hamburg port by ferry directly from Liverpool, but actually drove in a minivan from Liverpool to London and from there to a UK port town, took the ferry not to West Germany, but to the Netherlands, making a stop at a British war memorial there (there's a photo of that moment, with Paul, George, Pete, and Stu in front of it, while John obviously refused to take that photo with them, waiting in the van instead), and then took the minivan from there to Hamburg. --2003:DA:CF2E:4554:B955:F52F:6629:E7FF (talk) 07:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I already commented in the Talk area of the main Beatles article, that the episode about Epstein discovering the Beatles is strangely missing there.
Then today I re-read this article, and realized that the section about Epstein found here does NOT concern Hamburg at all, but rather should be moved to fill a gap in the Main Beatles article.

If after a couple of weeks I don't see any comment here against the project, I will perform the move.
J.Moondog (talk) 05:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Up to now, no opposing comments about my project, neither here nor in the Main Beatles article, so in the coming hours/days I will perform the move. J.Moondog (talk) 02:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Thinking of remodelling this section and also integrating it under the Kaiserkeller section, integrating elements coming from the articles on the 3 friends referred to here J.Moondog (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)