# Talk:Trump Tower

Before was here famous Bonwit Teller & Co. was a department store in New York City founded by Paul Bonwit in 1895 at Sixth Avenue and 18th Street.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.166.104.221 (talk) 14:42, 17 September 2013 (UTC) 

According to the City of New York's NYCityMap system, 725 5th Avenue is owned by GMAC Commercial Mortgage and apparently not Donald Trump. I don't want to get in an editing war here so what would be the best course of action to take in regards to this matter? Unfortunately there is no way to directly link to the data contained on NYCityMap, the information has to be entered manually each time and I would like to assure that the most up-to-date information is included. Any advice would be appreciated. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 06:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm curious too if he "owns" the building, since isn't it mostly condos? Ace-o-aces2 (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

What is this list of people/companies that are listed under the description of the labor law suit? They should be introduced/explained.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.66.228.134 (talk) 13:17, 27 October 2015 (UTC) 

Shouldn't there be some discussion of this feature of the building? In a documentary on Trump I watched last month they made a big deal about this because Donald's dad didn't want him to make it that way and thought it was stupid or a waste of money or something. I don't see 'glass' or 'wall' or 'window' show up here at all, am I overlooking a synonym? 184.145.18.50 (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

This might be a useful reference. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 20:15, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Donald Trump’s Math Takes His Towers to Greater Heights - NY Times

GTA is a large and well-known video game franchise and Trump Tower appearing on the first game's original cover is very notable. I don't know why it was replaced when it should be there. Thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archer Rafferty (talk • contribs) 19:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC) 
OMG quit deleting it ffs  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archer Rafferty (talk • contribs) 17:29, 15 December 2016 (UTC) 

The building appears in the opening scene of "A Christmas in Vermont" (2016). Crazynat34 (talk) 03:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC) Crazynat34 (talk) 03:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
No, since the movie isn't notable unlike The Dark Knight Rises or GTA. Archer Rafferty  (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 11:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC) 
On the 69 floor there is a golden shitter And on the 420th floor there is a room where Snoop Dogg and Trump smoke fat joints    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.44.105 (talk) 17:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC) 
@Archer Rafferty: Please don't remove the book about Trump Tower anymore. It is notable and I've now provided sources for it. Thanks. epicgenius (talk) 19:51, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: At he time I felt it was irrelevant but looking back I see it differently so I apologize. Archer Rafferty (talk)
@Archer Rafferty: It's okay. No harm was done since you removed it in good faith. epicgenius (talk) 02:31, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
It appears in the Pilot episode of The Critic in a sign joke about being in foreclosure.
The video Suction Cup Man by the YouTube channel Piemations, which has 4 million subscribers, is clearly based on Stephen Rogata, although the writers don't explicitly say that. To put this in perspective, Jordan Shanks forced an Australian state governor to resign and probably saved the koala from extinction, and only now has 1 million subscribers. Piemations isn't a household name but this is clearly notable enough.

To the GAN @Epicgenius::

The lede could be expanded to include more details about the history, and the height in m and position in the ranking.
There could be a sentence about having trees in the jagged part and a day picture (e.g. File:Trumptowers NYC.jpg, File:Trump Tower 2009-07-04.jpg, File:NYC Donald's home.jpg, File:Trump Tower 2012-04-29.jpg, File:Trump Tower.jpg)
Add a little anecdotical story about the trees (Sources: [1] or [2] or [3])
more comments to come.
Triplecaña (talk) 10:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
@Triplecaña: Thanks for the feedback.I'll work on these soon. epicgenius (talk) 20:36, 28 January 2017 (UTC)


### More sources
$16.5 Million Trump Tower Sale Ties Building Record, owned by Jeffrey Chodorow
Andrew Lloyd Webber Finally Bows Out of Trump Tower, previous record
Inside Donald and Melania Trump's Gilded Penthouse and Inside Donald Trump's $100 million penthouse the entrance door is gold plated
I know this is not a realty website but Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)#Residential unit sales has some listings as well. Triplecaña (talk) 09:23, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Just in case you haven't seen this Triplecaña (talk) 07:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@User:Epicgenius - My edit summary was not clear when removing the roof height - the ref was broken but I also question the need for 3 identical height measurements. The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat define architectural height and height to tip for measuring tall buildings, but the "roof height" listed elsewhere is both uninformative (identical) and uninteresting. I suggest just keeping the two defined/accepted measurements but will leave it to your decision given your extensive and excellent work on this article.  BW  |→ Spaully τ  15:48, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@Spaully: Thank you for your edits. I reverted you not because you were wrong (and you weren't), but because I was going to take the official CTBUH measurement as the height, then maybe put these roof height measurement into an {{efn}}.  I am not claiming page ownership, but unless there's a policy against including the roof measurement, I guess it could stay in the article as an EFN. epicgenius (talk) 02:12, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
That seems a fair compromise. This isn't an area of expertise hence my comments, not suggesting ownership. BW |→ Spaully τ  06:58, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

>The atrium, apartments, offices, and stores opening on a staggered schedule from February to November 1983
should be
>The atrium, apartments, offices, and stores opened on a staggered schedule from February to November 1983
 Done Thanks! |→ Spaully τ  08:17, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding BLP, but I don't see how Donald Trump alleging that his building was tapped amounts to a BLP violation. According to the BLP page: "In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out." 
Multiple sources corroborate the fact that Trump made this allegation (it's on Twitter for everyone to see, and it made plenty of headlines in multiple news outlets, even drawing a response from Obama's camp). It's both newsworthy and noteworthy, and it's apposite to the subject of the page. So why remove it? Scapulus (talk) 22:29, 4 March 2017 (UTC) 

The recent addition about the Donald Trump wiretapping claim has been removed. Please do not reinstate it, because:

The addition does not provide sources that describe the allegations
The allegations themselves are unfounded
It doesn't have anything to do with the architecture, history, or any other aspect of the building itself
The only way this is related to the claims at all is that Trump Tower is the location that was allegedly hacked, according to Donald Trump. But we don't include a list of every single thing that has happened in this building, much less alleged happenings. epicgenius (talk) 15:32, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: I did not read this, and reinstated the edit. Anyway, coming to what you stated, I added the sources. I don't understand how the allegations are 'unfounded'. As far as I can tell, most media reported the allegations. The only reason to remove it seems to be the lack of relation to the building. However, I still suggest it be included due to the claim being that the tower was wiretapped. Also, in one of the edit summaries, you appear to be saying "We have an article about this, it's not important and honestly it's fake news". I believe the statement was self contradictory as you said we had an article, but it was 'fake news'.RoCo(talk) 15:56, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
@Rollingcontributor: Thank you for adding the sources. I don't think my statement is self-contradictory, although it could have been confusing. Although this was reported as news, it is also simply a claim - unproven at best and false at worst. Thus, it is news which is fake, therefore "fake news".However, that's not the point. I think that since this is so unimportant to the evolution of the tower itself, the claim should be included in a single sentence in the "History" section. Even if the claim is notable, we wouldn't put it in the article, just as we don't have "Barron Trump draws on the walls of his apartment" in the article even though it's true. This article can't have every single thing that happened, or has been claimed to happen, in the tower. That's why I initially removed this addition. epicgenius (talk) 16:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

The article as currently written (and semi-protected) includes this text:
"In 1985, Trump was one of the plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the New York State Court of Appeals concerning the payment of a 10% state tax in the event that a real estate property is transacted for $1 million or more. The exemption was worth between $15 million and $20 million. The tax on Trump Tower was upheld in a 4 to 1 decision."
This is an erroneous statement of the proceedings.  Plaintiffs do not sue courts, as asserted by this language.  
In fact, Trump was a plaintiff in a suit brought in 1983 against Roderick Chu, "Individually and as Commissioner of the New York State Tax Commission" in New York Superior Court, and the trial court dismissed his suit in 1984.  (Trump v. Chu, 1984 WL 185307).  Trump appealed that decision, and the Court of Appeals of New York affirmed that decision in 1985.  (Trump v. Chu, 478 N.E.2d 971).  Trump attempted to appeal that decision to the United States Supreme Court, which dismissed his appeal "for want of a substantial federal question", also in 1985.  (Trump v. Chu, 474 U.S. 915, 106 S.Ct. 285).  
I would suggest an edit accordingly.

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Given that the sole fatality was of some notability (he had been an Andy Warhol art dealer), and given the Trump is President, and given the assorted ramifications of Trump Org., I recommend that we get in on the ground floor of this nexus and establish its own article. If nothing else, it's a notable NYC article. Discuss, and then pull the switch or not, as ye may. kencf0618 (talk) 19:11, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

While this is unfortunate and tragic, I don't think this is notable enough for its own article, simply because deadly fires happen every day. The fact htat this particular fire happened inside the president's former residence doesn't change its lack of notability. Maybe the art dealer might be notable, but definitely not the fire. There was also a fire inside the tower in 1982, and although it received a lot of coverage at the time, there's only 2 sentences devoted to the fire simply because it wasn't notable in the long term. epicgenius (talk) 22:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I've fleshed it out a bit -it might be bumped up to the controversy section eventually. kencf0618 (talk) 02:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
I appreciate the work you have done on this section. I don't think this is a controversy, though, as it seems to be more like an incident that was covered because of its tragic. epicgenius (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

"a dedicated elevator leads directly to the penthouse where the Trump family lives". 
Afaik commonly known: nor Trump neither Melania & Barron live there anymore. (btw: "Trump family" + present tense ... → Melania_Trump#Statement_on_bullying)  --Neun-x (talk) 20:14, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Maybe I am wrong, but there is little or nothing about financing the tower. Who paid so much money? Was it a bank credit? Usually so big towers are not built from private money, but rather big money corporations. Of course it is very small compared to Burj Khalifa, but in the Burj Khalifa case the even corporate money were too small, they used state money.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.103.73 (talk) 12:04, 27 August 2020 (UTC) 

Just a question, why does Suction Cup Man redirect to here exactly? I don't see any reason why it would.

Not sure if this article should mention 45 Wine and Whiskey, at least in passing? ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:06, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@Space4Time3Continuum2x and Epicgenius: Do either of you have an opinion here? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
@Another Believer, I think mentioning that restaurant would be fine. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Another Believer, the article is likely to remain a stub, and the pageview analysis shows hardly any traffic after the first month you created it. Do we need that article? A brief mention in this one with the sources seems quite sufficient to me. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 13:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Coincidentally, I was also debating whether to merge that article per WP:PAGEDECIDE, which says: There are other times when it is better to cover notable topics, that clearly should be included in Wikipedia, as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context. In this case, the prose size of 45 Wine and Whiskey's page is only about 450 bytes. The low page views may be attributed to the fact that the article was not linked to the Trump Tower page until a few days ago (actually, it was effectively an orphan before then). Even so, it seems like everything in that page can be covered in the Trump Tower article without any issue. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello.

I believe that categorizing this building as modernism would be incorrect. 

Modernism is a style that prevailed in the 50s-early 60s, the trump tower was built in 1983 (as said on the main page). The architecture could be more accurately described as contemporary architecture. Although the time periods still do not match up completely, it is closer in style and is 10 years closer to the year of construction. 

I find there to be an issue with people grouping modern, postmodern, and contemporary architecture together, therefore, this label should be corrected to stop the spread of this issue.

Please consider. SAMBOT2000xp (talk) 22:25, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

This is correct. The style is early Reagan era post-postmodernist but we need to go with what RS say. Do you have sources that give a one or two word description of its style. SPECIFICO talk 16:02, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

The height of Trump Tower NY is actually 666' but was changed to 664' when Donald Trump 666 announced he was running for President. His son-in-law Jared Kushner used to own 666 Fifth Avenue. 2603:3020:BF5:4000:ED:18C6:36F4:48D4 (talk) 15:31, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

change the Legacy: In Popular Culture section to include the 2016 climber's inspiration for the short internet show Suction Cup Man Armageddon7432 (talk) 22:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. I don't think it's necessary to include, so please develop a consensus here before reopening the request. PianoDan (talk) 22:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Trumps equity is not the worth of the tower, so
change from "In 2016, the tower's value dropped from $630 million to $471 million due to a 20% reduction in the tower's operating income and a further 8% decline in the overall value of real estate in Manhattan. Because of the $100 million debt, Forbes magazine calculated the tower's net worth at $371 million, excluding the Trumps' three-story penthouse,[136] which has a net floor area of 10,996 square feet (1,021.6 m2).[137]"
to
"In 2016, the tower's value dropped from $630 million to $471 million due to a 20% reduction in the tower's operating income and a further 8% decline in the overall value of real estate in Manhattan. Because of the $100 million debt, Forbes magazine calculated that Trumps equity in the tower's stood at $371 million, excluding the Trumps' three-story penthouse,[136] which has a net floor area of 10,996 square feet (1,021.6 m2).[137]"
Chur2404:4408:639D:C700:D001:CC20:488A:F9A7 (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC) 2404:4408:639D:C700:D001:CC20:488A:F9A7 (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * it has begun... 22:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

This article claims the following:
"Four gold-painted elevators transport visitors from the lobby to higher floors; a dedicated elevator leads directly to the penthouse where the Trump family lived."
This has been denied by Barbara Res, the woman who was in charge of the construction of the tower. In her book, Tower of Lies, she says the following: 
"[…] that there was an elevator to take him directly from his apartment at the top of the building to his office on the twenty-sixth floor. You can look it up. It’s there in the New York Times, in Travel + Leisure, on Wikipedia. But it’s not true. I know because I built the tower and it’s not even possible.
The office and the residential parts have separate elevator banks. The elevators for the office floors stop at the twenty-ninth floor. The apartment elevators start at floor thirty and go to the very top, which is where Trump’s apartment is. If there were to be an elevator from his office to his apartment, it would require destroying dozens of the most expensive apartments in the building. The notion is totally absurd. Trump must have seen it in a movie or something and liked how it sounded." Lollapalooza4725 (talk) 09:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

The event has its own Wiki article, but there should be a link to it under the "Incidents" section as well.
Edit: Please disregard, the incident occurred on a different Trump property in another city. Remove this talk topic if necessary.