# Talk:Pink slime

This article repeatedly claims that 70% of products included pink slime in 2012. I don't know if that's true or not, but the only source given is the ABC news report, which as the rest of the article points out was the subject of a large and fairly successful defamation suit. 128.12.122.106 (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Just replying to bring attention to this question as it appears to have gone unnoticed 2405:6E00:2441:702F:191F:B3F6:B6FB:407 (talk) 09:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Pink Slime is pejorative and therefore not allowed by common name rules. There is already disambiguation and the pink slime is more commonly used in reference to the media. The title should be changed. 208.77.255.249 (talk) 18:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

This move is not a minor edit and consensus is needed first. such changes without consensus are disruptive. While the industry may be using 'Lean finely textured beef' the press, including the AP in 2022, is still using 'pink slime' to discuss this product. I suggest you move it back or you are likely to be reverted. Dialectric (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
@Aperseghin: I have reverted the move of the article since, based on the discussions linked in the yellow box at the top of the page, it's a potentially controvertial move and would need to be discussed first. If you wish to proceed with this process, please see the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Controversial. --Ahecht (TALKPAGE) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

The article mostly references sources from 2012, with a few from 2013-2014, but largely stops there. Stylistically, it wavers between present and past tense ("as of 2012"). I wouldn't want to replace all instances of present tense with past tense, since ideally the article will be updated to provide a contemporary view, and then all that would need to be reverted. But I'm not good at finding new sources, so I just wanted to pin this suggestion. Aminomancer (talk) 01:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm having lots of trouble tracking down the precise Legislation that claims Lean Finely Textured Beef (LFTB) (or as far as I can tell, in EU terms, LFTB is grouped into Mechanically Separated Meat (MSM)) is forbidden in food when ammonia is used in its production. 
The paper the claim is cited is in Turkish, which I don't speak; running the paper through google translate shows that it's an uncited claim and there's no source in its bibliography pointing to where exactly the recommendation from the European Commission Food and Veterinary Office (now Health and Food Audits and Analysis) regulates the use of MSM in food	
I managed to find Document 52010DC0704 from the European Commission (drafted 2.10.2010) which cites:	
In accordance with the TSE Regulation, the use of bones or bone-in cuts of bovine, ovine and caprine animals is prohibited for the production of MSM in all Member States. In addition, imports of products of bovine, ovine and caprine animal origin should not contain or be derived from MSM obtained from bones of bovine, ovine or caprine animals....In addition, the risk for BSE is covered due to the ban to produce MSM derived from bones of bovine, ovine and caprine animals...
The prohibition of beef MSM seems to be a holdover from BSE safety regulations, and doesn't mention anything about ammonia.
Additionally, the claim "Separating meat from bone is what makes desinewed meat. Separating fat from meat results in LFTB. At the moment, however, one thing the two processes have in common is that both are banned by the EC." Is incorrect. 
The legal definition of MSM can be found summarised in https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/84ebcb39-8e88-11e5-b8b7-01aa75ed71a1
1. it must be obtained by removing meat from flesh-bearing bones after boning;
2. it must be obtained with the aid of mechanical means;
3. those mechanical means must result in the loss or modification of the muscle fibre structure
It's the fact that it's made from beef that beef MSM is prohibited, not process of creation.

I'm going to remove references to ammonia/change the specific wording in regards to EU legislation on Beef MSM, and remove the incorrect footnote as it causes more confusion when the topic of LFTB as a whole is talked about in conjuction with American regulations and terminology. 

Feel free to revert, or discuss! Shyllelagh (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2025 (UTC)