# Talk:Snowdon

How about a grid reference for Snowdon?  I think the grid used by the Ordnance Survey is pretty standard. Magnus 10:05 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)

I suggest changing the name of the article & body of the article to reflect the official name change from Snowdon to Yr Wyddfa, (for example: Title changing from Snowdon to Yr Wyddfa (Snowdon)) and where mentioned from Snowdonia to Eryri. 

Further, I suggest changing the arrangement of name translations in the body of the article from English first to Welsh first, as they are Welsh names for a Welsh mountain in Wales, not England. 

I'm not going to just go ahead & make these changes without creating a topic & some discussion around it as they're pretty major changes and I do believe they should be discussed & considered before any edits are committed. CMDR Quillon (talk) 22:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

You need to consider WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES, and request a WP:RM proposing the title be moved to Yr Wyddfa. Should the RM be successful, the article will use Yr Wyddfa over Snowdon to match the title then. See the previous (failed) requested move for an idea. DankJae 22:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm aware of that which is why I didn't start a move request straight off the bat :) as the previous one failed I wasn't expecting this to succeed either, so it was more of a suggestion/discourse starter than a serious request. Thanks, man :) CMDR Quillon (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
As this is English language Wikipedia and the common name in English is Snowdon then the page should remain as Snowdon. A change of the official name is irrelevant to Wikipedia (and there is no official name for something like a mountain anyway).
You are unlikely to find any opposition to changing the name to yr widdfa in Welsh language Wikipedia. 195.213.41.163 (talk) 12:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Yr Wyddfa not widdfa 2.27.239.243 (talk) 23:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Changes to “original” names have happened continue to happen. Ayers Rock has been rebranded to Uluuru on Wikipedia.
The change is absolutely real vent to Wikipedi. 217.72.125.96 (talk) 15:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Uluru was proven to be the new common name on that article talk, it hasn't been proven for Snowdon/Yr Wyddfa yet. We don't give priority of "original names", or should we call Germany, Deutschland? We use the most-common, which in absence of a recent discussion, remains the long-accepted common name of Snowdon. If you wish to contest, please raise an RM providing evidence of Snowdon no longer being used by a majority of independent secondary sources, and are using Yr Wyddfa instead. DankJae 16:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I've started a discussion at Talk:Snowdonia#"Use of Eryri in English"/"Use of Yr Wyddfa in English" sections about whether these should be separate sections or part of the the Toponymy sections on the respective articles - if you have a view, please could you contribute there to avoid splitting the discussion. TSP (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

There's obviously some debate about Yr Wyddfa v Snowdon as the common English name but I've also noticed The Wyddfa being an increasingly common, but long attested English language name for the mountain.
There's some attestation in the 19th century as a name used by early tourists (it's also the name used by George Borrow in Wild Wales - he asserts (incorrectly) that Snowdon refers to Eryri rather than Yr Wyddfa).  But it's also a form used commonly today (examples) especially by Welsh speakers speaking English often interchangably with "yr Wyddfa".
It seems sufficiently common to call out as an alternative to both Snowdon and Yr Wyddfa - certainly in the Toponomy section - and maybe in the top line ("Snowdon or Yr Wyddfa also known as The Wyddfa). Morwennol (talk) 15:10, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Would be weakly open for it added to toponomy as an alternative (shortened) name, if there is a source on the name itself, those are just a mere few using what could be merely a nickname (a bit WP:SYNTH). Although note all those sources de-capitalise "the" in sentence case, implying "the" is not part of the name, instead it being the "Wyddfa". Don't see it as widespread enough for the lead, and as a derivative and shortening of "Yr Wyddfa", unless it is common enough to drop the "Yr" in the future, the full form is all that is needed in the lead, as well as being the now official English name. We should focus on current use, and older sources can have typos and errors. DankJae 19:41, 19 June 2025 (UTC)