# Talk:Steven Matz

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Reviewer: Sportsfan77777 (talk · contribs) 21:53, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Here are my comments:


### Lead
The start of Matz's professional career was delayed when he tore the ulnar collateral ligament in his elbow and required Tommy John surgery, from which his recovery lasted two years. ===>>> The start of Matz's professional career was delayed two years due to Tommy John surgery needed for a tear in the ulnar collateral ligament of his elbow.
Matz made his professional debut in 2012 and spent three years in the Mets' minor leagues, helping lead the Savannah Sand Gnats and Binghamton Mets to championships, and was named the Mets' Organizational Pitcher of the Year in 2014. ===>>>  Matz made his professional debut in 2012 and spent three years in the Mets' minor leagues, helping lead the Savannah Sand Gnats and Binghamton Mets to championships. He was named the Mets' Organizational Pitcher of the Year in 2014.
He made his MLB debut on June 28, 2015, breaking several records in his first start based on the strength of his hitting. ===>>> He made his MLB debut on June 28, 2015, breaking several records in his first start as a hitter.
Actually, after giving this another look, I was thinking maybe "He made his MLB debut on June 28, 2015, breaking several hitting records in his first start." Would that work for you? — Hunter Kahn 02:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
That looks good! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
The Mets did not face the Dodgers in the World Series, haha.
Yeah, I have no idea how I made that mistake. LOL Fixed. — Hunter Kahn 02:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Matz has been involved in several charitable efforts, and began the charity initiative Tru 32 ===>>> Matz has been involved in several charitable efforts, including starting the charity initiative Tru 32


### Early life
He had an older brother, Jonathan, and younger sister, Jillian. ===>>> He has an older brother, Jonathan, and a younger sister, Jillian.
and pitched and played first base for the school's baseball team, ===>>> where he pitched and played first base for the school's baseball team.
playing varsity since his freshman year ===>>> He played varsity since his freshman year (split into two sentences)


### Minor leagues
Some Mets scouts attributed this ===>>> Some Mets scouts attributed his drop
but the Mets agreed with him on a $895,000 signing bonus ===>>> but the Mets agreed to sign him with a $895,000 bonus
before he was promoted to the Binghamton Mets of the Class AA Eastern League in 2014 <<<=== should end with "in [the month]", not the year
and he pitched the game that clinched Binghamton ===>>> He pitched the game that clinched Binghamton


### 2015
later in that count ===>>> later in that at-bat
sideline him again, but he played ===>>> sideline him again; however, he played
loss at home Los Angeles Dodgers ===>>> loss at home to the Los Angeles Dodgers
but was denied the win pulled with a 6–1 lead ===>>>  but was denied a chance at the win after being pulled with a 6–1 lead
He was the only Mets pitcher ===>>> He was the only Mets starting pitcher


### 2016
However, Matz won his next seven consecutive starts ===>>> However, Matz rebounded and won his next seven consecutive starts
He allowed two runs or fewer over that span ===>>>  He allowed two runs or fewer in every game over that span
the best streak in the majors <<<=== when? during the whole season?
In his next start, Matz had no hits until the eighth inning in a start against the San Diego Padres on August 14, and did not allow a hit until a single on his 105th pitch. ===>>> In his next start against the San Diego Padres on August 14, Matz did not allow a hit until a single in the eighth inning on his 105th pitch.
with the team hoping to bring him back to the season in the Mets bullpen ===>>> with the team hoping to bring him back before the end of the season in the Mets bullpen
End the section with the Mets made the playoffs, but lost the wild card game to the Giants.


### 2017
He performing well in his first five starts ===>>> He performed well in his first five starts
with a record of 2–7 ===>>> compiling a record of 2–7


### 2018
Near the beginning of the section, state that Matz recovered in time for the start of the season and faced minimal injury troubles during the year.
the second-best best of any MLB pitching rotation except for the Houston Astros ===>>> the second-best best of any MLB pitching rotation behind only the Houston Astros
the first hit by a Mets pitcher in 2018 ===>>> the first by a Mets pitcher in 2018
and a 2.90 ERA in his final 10 home outings of the season. ===>>> and had a 2.90 ERA in his final 10 home outings of the season.
Matz rose his strikeout-to-walk ratio ===>>> Matz increased his strikeout-to-walk ratio


### 2019
throwing 99 pitches, seven strikeouts ===>>> throwing 99 pitches, recording seven strikeouts
that a pitcher threw a Maddux ===>>> that a pitcher threw a shutout in under 100 pitches (known as a Maddux)
which critically hurts ===>>> which critically hurt
Add that Matz's second half performance helped bring the Mets back in contention for the wild card, but they ultimately fell short.
Do you know of any sources that expressly say this which I could source if I add this sentence? I fear this might be a bit of editorializing on my part if I add it unsourced... — Hunter Kahn 02:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Hmm, this source is the closest to saying the whole thing directly. If you don't want to attribute the Mets' second half to Matz, you can still state somewhere that the Mets moved back into contention for the wild card in August despite finishing the first half 10 games under .500 (without attributing it directly to Matz). Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:37, 31 October 2019 (UTC)


### Personal life
were in Matz's wedding party ===>>> were at Matz's wedding party
I don't mean that they were present at a party, but rather were members of Matz's wedding party (as in, they were groomsmen). So I think the word "in" is correct here, unless you think I'm mistaken? — Hunter Kahn 02:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Ah, okay. that makes sense. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:03, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
in deGrom's wedding party ===>>> at deGrom's wedding party
Same as above. — Hunter Kahn 02:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
and he also has an apartment in Long Island City ===>>> He also has an apartment in Long Island City
Matz has been involved in several charitable efforts ===>>> Matz has been involved in various charitable efforts
Cain became seriously ill with potentially fatal kidney problems after the trip, but she recovered, which her doctor called "a miracle". <<<=== This doesn't sound related to the trip.
Based on the way the source words this I assumed she contracted the illness during the trip... — Hunter Kahn 02:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I didn't get that impression from reading the source (based on "The cause was never determined"). I didn't think you could contract kidney problems from going on a trip, but I'm not at all familiar with how someone can end up with kidney problems, so I could be wrong. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:03, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
named a hero sandwich named after Matz ===>>> has a hero sandwich named after Matz


### Overall
No external links.
All of the links work.
No dab links.
No plagiarism concerns.
Mostly looks good. Most of the comments are related to grammar. I suggested adding the Mets' performance in a few places. The biggest comment I have is: Can you add a new section to describe his pitching style? (see Clayton Kershaw, Barry Zito, and Iván Nova for examples.) Placing on hold. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 23:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on! I'll try to address your comments within the next few days... — Hunter Kahn 01:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Sportsfan77777 Thanks very much for your very thorough review! I responded to a few individual comments above, some of which will require some additional response from you. I went ahead and implemented your change on every individual bullet points that I didn't directly respond to above. As for the pitching style section, I think that's an excellent suggestion. Will try to work on that tomorrow... — Hunter Kahn 02:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Sportsfan77777 I've added a "Pitching style" section as well, per your suggestion. I struggled to find sources that really discussed his style other than Brooks Baseball and Baseball Prospectus. I think these are both reliable sources (and they seem to be used as sources for baseball articles quite frequently, including the GA examples you cited above) but let me know if these don't work. This is my first time substantially editing an article about a pitcher, so if this section is not at all what you were looking for, don't hesitate to let me know. Lol Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 17:55, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
The pitching style section is exactly what I'm looking for, good job! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:17, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I replied to some points above, in particular the 2019 point. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
In response to your comments above, I moved the bit about Cain's illness (I think your interpretation of the source there was correct, btw) up a bit to the section about their relationship. As for the part about Matz's contribution to the Mets' improved Wild Card chances, I added this sentence citing the source you provided; feel free to tweak it if you think the sentence itself needs work, or let me know if you want any other changes. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 14:34, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
That makes sense. I made a few tweaks. Passing, good work! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:49, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi there,
I'm not familiar with Matz, but I was looking at this page and I felt some concerns regarding the significant volume of references (almost 250) and citations (regularly 3–4 per sentence). Some citations, such as in the first line of the "early life" section which states his birth facts and parents' names, as well as the sentence detailing the statistics from his debut (win which has 7 citations), seem like they may be in violation of WP:OVERCITE which states that each section of text may warrant 2–3 inline citations for more controversial material but that more than three should generally be avoided.
In Matz' case, some inline citations appear to hit OVERCITE's point regarding repetition, while others toe the line of notability bombing. Another example is where his bone spur is discussed from early May (under the 2016 subheading, at the start of the second paragraph): in just three sentences, nine individual references are cited and with at least four repetitions, resulting in a total of thirteen inline citations relating to three sentences of text. Having gone through them, very few of the nine introduced sources differ significantly from one another and they otherwise near-repeat the same information. Should Matz' article be edited to preserve useful and relevant references and otherwise clean up instances where WP:OVERCITE is being breached? PunkAndromeda (talk) 04:53, 3 September 2025 (UTC)