# Talk:Primal (video game)

Changed cover pic to a better higher quality one. (Cipher Destiny 21:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC))

I've done a horrible fuckup of a merge here.  Needs cleanup. --Tony Sidaway 00:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Fixed a few grammatical errors; cleaned up a few sentence problems. 64.12.117.12 01:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC) 64.12.116.136

Better information on the demon forms may be found on the official page at www.primalgame.com Meiriona 20:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I've rewritten almost the completly page, I only left the 1st header equal. Hope you like the same I do, 'cause it taked me almost 7 hours do do it;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cheat2win (talk • contribs) 11:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

I'd like to edit the Pirmal information. This is my favorite PS2 videogame, and one i'm very loyal too. Would anyone mind if I went into massive detail on it? it might take me a fews weeks to finish. about Abbadon, Arella, Scree, Abdizur, Jen, Lewis, The four worlds, the rulers, the demon forms, attacks, Mortalis... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GothicLolitaGamerGeek (talk • contribs).

This article definitely needs to be expanded upon, but you shouldn't go into "massive detail". In general, you should avoid adding anything that would not interest the non-gamer reader, and do not add game guide material. You'll probably find Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) to be of use. Pagrashtak 19:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
For Primal fanatics, the Primal wiki at primal.wikia.com might be a better place to demonstrate knowledge of the game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.45.197.157 (talk) 18:52, 28 October 2010 (UTC) 

You're confused, that is not for Primal the PS2 videogame. The official website was primalgame.com, but it's now long gone. 86.170.247.78 (talk) 13:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Withdrawn FAC is archived here.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Primal NTCS cover.JPG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 17:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Its going to take a while to get this place cleaned up... I've added basic information on gameplay and demon forms, but the page needs a Reception section... WikifingHelper (talk) 06:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Primal (video game)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: DasallmächtigeJ (talk · contribs) 20:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: CooperCool23 (talk · contribs) 17:37, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

It is reasonably well written. 
a (prose, spelling, and grammar):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. 
a (reference section):  b (inline citations to reliable sources):  c (No original research):  d (copyvio and plagiarism): 

It is broad in its coverage. 
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy. 
Fair representation without bias:

It is stable. 
No edit wars, etc.:

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate. 
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 

Before I divide this review into sections, I need to address some of the big points that are currently plaguing the article.
These are major things that need to be fixed -
• There is no gameplay screenshot in the gameplay section - This is a point that is squarely stated in the GA guidelines as something that needs to be done in order for an article to pass.

 Done
• Synopsis section going first before the Gameplay section - The Gameplay section goes in front of the Plot section first and foremost, no exceptions.

 Done
• No sources in Plot subsection - Searching on YouTube for a longplay of the game to find related quotes for these kinds of sections can elevate this issue. You can view The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time page to see a good example at how quotes are formatted as a reference.

• Ignore, I just realized that this request conflicts with WP:VG/PLOT COOPER COOL 23 user page 20:31, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• Gameplay section exclusivly relying on references from Instruction Manual - Using the manual for referencing is fine, but exclusively using it for a gameplay section is not. Reviews or other sources talking about the game mechanics can fix this issue.

 Done
• Development section overusing references 5 and 6 - Unless this is a case where more references that explain the text don't exist, in which case it might be fine.

The big issue is that both are extensive interviews with the developers where the explicitly talk about the development of the game. I could try to find additional material on YouTube (I haven't as of yet) but those are the primary sources I have on the game's development. The museum where the artwork is kept would be another idea, but sadly I don't live in GB...--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 11:01, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
Found some additional ones, so  Done
So yeah, a lot points that need to be addressed.
With the big grips out of the way, lets get into some smaller points I have...


### Prose Check
#### Lead
• "action adventure video game" -> "action adventure game"

 Done
• "European cover art" -> "European box art"

 Done


#### Gameplay
• Section is short and doesn't explain gameplay properly - What I mean by that is the section only addresses the unique mechanics of the game, instead of also mentioning things such as what you are doing or game genres. I recommend looking at the gameplay sections for both Castlevania: Circle of the Moon and Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin to get an idea on how to write a short but still effective Gameplay section.

 Done


#### Synopsis
• Setting and characters subsection should be split -> This way, the text doesn't flip flop between talking about characters and talking about the different worlds the game takes place in. Setting subsection would go first before Characters. Good examples of this include Danan: The Jungle Fighter and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

 Done
• How much of the text in the Plot subsection can be condensed? Just curious because it feels long.

The game is conceived as 5 five games in one, simply put. Each world contains a self-contained story in addition to the overarching narrative, eg. none of the characters ever reappear, as they cannot leave their realms, once a realm is fixed, the game just moves on to the next, aside from occassionally fighting/running from Lewis/Belahzur.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 10:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
Tightened it a bit, so  Done


#### Development
• The section mentions Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a key point of the games style, and yet there is no image that can give the reader an immediate visual on that key point. The logo of the series or a visual comparison between Jen and Buffy are good options for visuals to use.

 Done


#### Reception
• Change the star ratings in the reception table to be a number rating (4 stars = 4/5)

 Done
• Remove the Game Revolution rating from the reception table. It doesn't fit in with the rest of the number rankings.

 Done


#### Legacy
• Varied list of sources, but feels like bullet points if you know what I mean.

Yeah, I also thought about merging some aspects, but most of them differ quite a bit or are decades apart, I'm happy for input as to how to group them better.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 10:58, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
 Done


### Final Verdict
This article seems to have a couple of major issues that need to be addressed for GA status. If my points aren't fixed within two or three weeks then i'm gonna have to fail this. COOPER COOL 23 user page 17:37, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

I will start to work on the points you made by next week. I will start with the easy to fix issues (fixing the gameplay section,  and do the plot section last, as watching a longplay will take me a while. DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 08:16, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
@CooperCool23: All major point should be adressed now, let me know if there is additional work to be done.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
@DasallmächtigeJ: For the sake of GA standards, i'm pretty sure there isn't anything else that needs to be done. This articles passes. COOPER COOL 23 user page 17:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)