# Talk:Pillars of Eternity

Updated article with cites from PC Gamer to include release date. Twobells (talk) 19:40, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pillars of Eternity/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: AdrianGamer (talk · contribs) 15:02, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry that this review come a bit late. I am a bit busy this week.


### Comments
When Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale and Planescape: Torment were released is not notable enough to be mentioned in the lead.
Are you talking about the year they were released? If so, I've removed them. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Utilizing that BioWare Engine is also not notable enough to be mentioned in the lead, nor in the gameplay section.
Removed. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
An expansion pack for the game is currently in development by Obsidian. - "by Obsidian" is not necessary.
Removed. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Personal opinion, not compulsory, but I personally think that the topic sentence for the gameplay section should be something like "Pillars of Eternity is a role-playing game that ..."
 Done. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
As the player's characters explore an area map, it is revealed. - "Reveal" don't sound like the best word in describing this.
Replaced with "unveiled". --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
The character classes and game mechanics are somewhat similar to Dungeons & Dragons - remove "somewhat"
 Done --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
the cipher must use the soul of an enemy in order to attack them - should be "can" instead of "must"
 Done. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
a unique personality and appearance. - Shouldn't this be written in plural form?
 Done. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Why "scouting mode" is italicized?
Removed italics. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
unresponsive like vegetables - It is a weird simile. Is it really the best word to use, or it is quoted from the game?
Replaced with "leaving them living, but barely", in accordance with a dialogue piece in the game. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
was released for Microsoft Windows, OS X, and Linux in March 2015. - This information is related to the release section instead of the development section.
Moved to release section. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
, and it was announced an OS X version of the game would be provided together with a DRM-free option through GOG.com. - Should be a new sentence.
 Done. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I encouraged you to cite the year as well, like changing "September 26" to "September 26, 2012" and so on.
 Done. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
developer/publisher - Don't use slash
Replaced with "and". --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
reminiscent of those great [Infinity Engine] games - Don't need to specify Infinity Engine
Removed. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 The idea was later scrapped. - It need a source
I removed that part entirely since it was based on a forum post and an unsourced statement. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
The development section is well-written. But is there any more information about how the story, gameplay, music are inspired or created? It is not compulsory, but the development will be better with these information
I added more information about the music and its inspiration, but unfortunately I couldn't find more info about the story and the gameplay. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 Baldur's Gate expansion pack, Tales of the Sword Coast (1999) - Don't need to cite the year
Removed. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 it is currently listed on Metacritic - wikilink Metacritic
 Done. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
a worthy successor to the games it was inspired by, such as Planescape: Torment and the Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale series. - You have mentioned the name of these games before. You don't need to mention them again.
Removed. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
the game's combat's customizability - Personal opinion, not compulsory, but I often found that use of two continuous apostrophe hinder reading.
Changed to "combat's customizability in the game". --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
File:Pillars of Eternity.jpg - You should cropped the Paradox Interactive logo away
 Done. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I am not sure whether sources from Segment Next, GameBanshee, Ripten and Heise online are reliable or not
Removed Segment Next, Ripten and Heise online and removed the first usage of the GameBanshee. The second time it's used is to cite an interview directly from the website, which adds a large piece of info to the article, so I haven't removed it for now.
Source 48 is a forum post, replace it.
Removed, see above. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Source 51 is dead. Here is the correct link [1]
Thanks, added. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
File:Pillars of Eternity Master Odema Dialogue.jpg needs an image has rationale tag
Do I need to ask an administrator or patroller to add it, or can I add it myself? I'm not sure how to do this since I believe it's the second image I've uploaded, and I can't find anything about it in the rules. --Markhoris (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
You can add it yourself. You can replace the licensing section of the image with {{Non-free game screenshot|Windows|Mac|Linux|image has rationale=yes}}. AdrianGamer (talk) 13:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer, added. --Markhoris (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)


### Overall
Here is the review  
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors: 

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and y: 

Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section: 

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: 

C. No original research: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: 

B. Focused: 

Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: 

Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc: 

Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content: 

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 

Great game, great article. You have done a great job in expanding the article. I remember how short it was back in February. However, the sources, and the image have some problems. After you have addressed all the issues I pointed out, the article will passed. Good Luck.  AdrianGamer (talk) 10:24, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems that you have fixed all the problems I mentioned above. Pillars of Eternity promoted to . Congratulations. AdrianGamer (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this has been a conscious decision (this is a GA already, after all) or an oversight, so I'm putting it up for discussion: the article seems to use gender-specific male pronouns and gender-neutral "they" interchangeably for the main player character: for instance, in the lead-in, it's the latter, but in the Plot section, it's mostly the former. I don't think that "he" is factually correct, since the Watcher can be made male or female at character creation, but AFAIK there is no official guideline on this yet, so either option is fine, I guess. The main thing is that the usage of pronouns is made consistent throughout the whole article. --Koveras ☭ 06:30, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I didn't notice this. I changed the pronouns in the plot section to be consistent with the rest of the article, thanks for pointing this out. --Markhoris (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Works for me, thanks. :) --Koveras ☭ 14:34, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

please, PLEASE get rid of the introduction of this article mentioning the classics BG, ID and PST in one breath with this claptrap game. if anything, pillars is a spiritual successor to Temple of Elemental Evil, another game with potential but laughable execution  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.170.81.208 (talk) 07:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC) 

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