# Talk:SMS Hay (1881)

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Nominator: Parsecboy (talk · contribs) 20:26, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: GGOTCC (talk · contribs) 00:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

Overall: Solid article, well done! My concerns are below. If you object to any of my points, feel free to say so.

Well written: 

15 t (15 long tons) of coal for her boilers Do we know what kind of ton is being converted? It would also be better to use the convert template for the math.
Metric tons (the symbol for that is just "t" - and the template is being used there - I can force it to not round, so it doesn't look odd though
I. Reserve This term is not defined. What does it mean, and is that different from being laid up/placed in reserve?
I don't have a source to explain it, but navies have had different categories of reserve - in this case, the ship was in a reduced state of readiness but still some crew aboard to maintain it (as opposed to being completely deactivated, like here, which the Germans at the time would've called II. Reserve, the French would've called the '2nd category of reserve', etc. The reserve fleet article is in relatively poor condition and doesn't explain any of this, unfortunately.
WP:SHIPSNOTCREWS plays a major role here, as the article mentions the captain with no further explination. Since the names are red linked, do you believe each man is independently notable (or will you create the page in the future?)
The linked officers are all future admirals, all of whom are notable (I do have long-range plans to write bios on them, if I can track down a copy of Deutschlands Admirale that's available and for a reasonable price! - and if I can't get my hands immediately, adding the red-links in articles will allow me to piece together command histories for them)
and after completing fitting out Would after being fitted out be better?
That works for me
Information in 'class overview' should be cited. The Brummer-class gunboat, for example, seems to be intended to serve as warships and not tenders. Does this refer to whatever gunboats were in service before/after her?
Added cites - yes, just whatever gunboats were ordered before/after
For personal knowledge, was it intentional to not list '1' for the number of ships in the class?
Yeah, I typically only use the class box for before/after fields for single-ship classes
The lead section has issues with WP:SYNTH. Does any source specifically state that her use as a training tender is the reason for her small size and light weapons?
Nottelmann is clear that the ship was always intended to serve as a tender - I don't think it's synthetic to spell out (especially when that amounts to simply saying "as such") that the design matched its intent.
the ship had her armament replaced. Would it be better to mention the guns that were added, as mentioned in 'Characteristics'?
Added a short mention, but the article is fairly short so it shouldn't need more than a brief call-back
The ship was a good sea boat Would the casual reader understand that term? If you think so, then I would not object.
I can add a redirect - curiously, we already have one from seaboat but not the spaced version
Accuracy = 

Great sources, good refrencing
Thorough = 

'Service history' is repeditive, but not poorly written.
Do you know what the targets were? That may be helpful to include.
Nothing in the sources, but they'd have been small floats that were towed around - they also used target ships on occasion, but not in this context
NPOV = 

Good
Stable = 

Good
Images =

Alt captions would certainly be benificial, even if it is not directly required in the GA review process
Added. Thanks for reviewing the article! Parsecboy (talk) 12:57, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
You are welcome! Only thing to note is the mention of I. Reserve. Since you don't know the exact meaning of the term, it would be best to remove it and just mention reserve imo. GGOTCC 00:17, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
Done, thanks again! Parsecboy (talk) 12:29, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
You are welcome! Congratulations on the GA! GGOTCC 01:21, 16 August 2025 (UTC)