# Talk:Sixto-Clementine Vulgate

@BeenAroundAWhile: could you explain in details why you find that this article lacks some context? Thanks. :: (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Just a brief explanation as to what Vulgate means so the reader doesn't have to look it up. I've just done it. Best wishes. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
It would be best if this definition is not removed, since Vulgate is an unfamiliar term to many people, often being confused with vulgar.. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 00:22, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I really feel like this explanation make the summary feel more heavy than it should, and that anyone can know what the Vulgate is simply by clicking on the hyperlink. Veverve (talk) 00:31, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Well, we disagree. The purpose of writing is to communicate. We are not writing for experts; we are writing for anybody who wants knowledge. It's best to put the knowledge where seekers can find it; we can't have people clicking all over the place in order to find the definition of the key word in any article. Vulgate is certainly not a term that is in everybody's vocabulary, not even in most university graduates'. I hope this explains my stand satisfactorily. Your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:11, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

(the Nestle-Aland) OK, if that is common in the literature, but I would not say "the Merriam-Webster". The article first uses it as an adjective. Jmar67 (talk) 02:53, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
@Jmar67:It is common to use Nestle-Aland as a noun. As a sidenote, would you not say "let me check this word in my Merriam-Webster."? Also, thanks for the editing so far! Veverve (talk) 02:58, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
I could use "my" to mean my personal copy but not "the", at least not in this context. Referring to it as a source, I would just say MW. BTW: I have experienced GA and FA reviews where I have spent considerable time editing and some kind soul (third party) later essentially wipes out my changes with his/her own ideas. Who knows, maybe I am already the guilty one. Jmar67 (talk) 03:24, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
(Quentin) Why do you reference by chapter (and thereby repeat the chapter headings each time)? The existing refs are inconsistent with respect to the use of quotation marks.  Also, "Chapitre" is often spelled "Chapite". And "Sixtine" in the French should be capitalized per the source. Jmar67 (talk) 12:46, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
I reference chapters in case the source becomes unavailable and the reader uses an edition which has a different page numbering. The translation of the title of the chapter is between brackets because this is how it is in the template Cite books. I fixed the "chapite" typo. "Sixtine" is not capitalized in French. Veverve (talk) 13:03, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
It is capitalized in Quentin. See discussion of Committee. It is strange vs. Clementine. (Why do you not capitalize it in French?) Jmar67 (talk) 13:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
It is indeed capitalized in Quentin, and so is "Clémentine"; my bad. As far as I know, it should not be capitalized because they are adjectives and those are never capitalized apart from exceptional cases (e.g. sometimes nationalities). I will capitalize according to Quentin. Veverve (talk) 13:31, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
German is similar in this respect (lowercase as adjective). Jmar67 (talk) 14:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
(viz., that is to say) There is no chance of confusion here, and it is superfluous. Jmar67 (talk) 14:20, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


### Leuven Vulgate
Do you intend to leave the reference to a Polish article? It shows in red and is distracting. Maybe just on first mention. Jmar67 (talk) 13:59, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

I will fix this, leave it to me. Veverve (talk) 14:11, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
now, we just need to get rid of those interlanguage links. Veverve (talk) 15:26, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


### Codex Carafianus
Are you sure that isn't Carafanus? Jmar67 (talk) 14:36, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

I am 100% sure. If you want another source than Quentin and Gerace, here it is. Veverve (talk) 15:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Then are we sure the cardinal was named Carafa? I would like to know how the "i" crept in. Jmar67 (talk) 21:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
We are also 100% sure of it. I do not know why it is "Carafa" but "Carafianus". Veverve (talk) 23:03, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


### emendate
Sounds terrible, although it is accepted, which surprises me. I would prefer the simpler "emend/emended", analogous to "amend". Jmar67 (talk) 21:54, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok for the verb "emend". Veverve (talk) 23:05, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


### Italic titles
The article and book titles (especially links) should be consistent with respect to italicization. Possibly only the Latin names. Jmar67 (talk) 22:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Could you tell what the problem is with examples? Veverve (talk) 23:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
I have italicized the VS article title. My premise is that the Latin expressions should be italicized but not the informal English designations. But I can't keep the infobox template from italicizing SCV. The "italic title=no" parameter is not working as documented. I will investigate. Jmar67 (talk) 01:25, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Any news? Veverve (talk) 18:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I cannot determine the problem and will report it. Thanks for the reminder. Jmar67 (talk) 22:42, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I asked User:Gerda Arendt for advice. She in turn asked User:RexxS, who created a new version of the template as "/sandbox2" and applied it to the file. I will ask that the main template be updated accordingly. Thank you to all. Jmar67 (talk) 02:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


### Rouillé
I don't see that in the ref, but I think it would be clearer as "The name of Clement VIII was added when the edition was printed on the press of..." Jmar67 (talk) 03:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

I believe it is less clear than what is currently written. Veverve (talk) 03:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)


### Article title
Why is this article title English but Vulgata Sixtina and Nova Vulgata Latin? Could the title be Vulgata Clementina, which now redirects here? Jmar67 (talk) 13:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

I am in favor of changing Vulgata Sixtina to "Sixtine Vulgate" per WP:COMMONNAME and have requested a page move.
The Nova Vulgata has no other name apart from its Latin name. "New Latin Vulgate" is never used. Veverve (talk) 15:29, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

The references given here on p. 86, on note 516, could be used to improve the article. Those can also be used to improve Sixtine Vulgate. Veverve (talk) 03:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)