# Talk:Pat Pattle

In roald dahl's book [going solo] roald was in pat's squadron. He fought ME 109s. But it says that pat was fighting BF 110s. I'm not sure.

In the article it was stated that Pattle joined the SAAF in South Africa which is wrong; he joined the SSB regiment or "Special Service Battalion". He  also went to a primary school in Keetmanshoop in Namibia.
41.240.87.199 (talk) 20:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Marmaduke Pattle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 22:24, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

On the basis of my "no surprises" approach to GA reviewing, at this time the article does not meet GA criteria 1a (largely due to non-compliance with capitalisation per MOS), 2b (due to an uncited paragraph containing a statement that has been challenged and four uncited claims in the table), and 6c (the licensing of two photographs). This review was placed on hold at 09:48 on 13 October UTC, and the seven days will expire at 09:48 on 20 October UTC. I hope that these criteria can be met before the on hold period expires, so that it can be listed as a GA. Regards, Peacemaker67  (crack... thump) 00:33, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The licensing is actually correct. The claims are sourced. See the citation at the beginning of the table. Additional sources are used only used to fill in the details. The statement does not require a citation. Unless the reviewer is challenging the view the Germany invaded Yugoslavia and Greece? Dapi89 (talk) 17:04, 19 October 2014 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dapi89 (talk • contribs) 
I note that one image has been replaced with another, and the other image has now been removed. The term "invaded" is not used, and the term "intervened" for the German attack on Greece is a clear case of WP:FRINGE in my view. The statement has now been cited (to Baker), so that point is now also now addressed. All the claims in the table have now been individually cited. I have copy-edited the article to bring it closer to MOS compliance, so that I can pass it on criteria 1a and list it as GA. If planning to take it to Milhist ACR, I suggest requesting someone from GOCE look at it. Cheers, Peacemaker67  (crack... thump) 11:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I've restored the texts back to their original state. The recent edits were not to standard for a good article. The grammar was not good; the internet sources used were/are unreliable; there is a tally list for aerial victories in detail so there is no need to add reports of over claiming after each and every sentence about Pattle's claims; the citations did not use the appropriate format; I've noticed in one case a paragraph was removed because it had no citations (it did); paragraphs were broken up needlessly and it looked messy. Dapi89 (talk) 16:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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I'm rooting out all citations of this source, because it's not reliable, especially when the official histories and various secondary sources are available. Catrìona (talk) 23:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Just to note that some of the formatting of ranks is inconsistent -- some in italics and some not. Also, this: "Sergente Tenente Maggiore Viola" is obviously incorrect. I assume that "Tenente" has somehow worked its way into the middle and that the rank ought to be "Sergente Maggiore". 
Dr Martin Boycott-Brown (talk) 08:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I would not make that assumption, unless you're familiar with the Italian WWII rank system. Ideally someone would consult the source (Gladiator vs CR.42 Falco: 1940–41) and find out what it actually says. Even if it's wrong, I don't think we can assume which rank is actually correct. Catrìona (talk) 16:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

This photo of a crashed Fiat CR42 does not seem appropriate for the article, since there is no indication that this particular one was shot down by Pattle. –dlthewave ☎ 03:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

It makes perfect sense. As ive already explained. Dapi89 (talk) 19:59, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Your edit summary was "of course it is relevant. He claimed 14." I disagree that it is relevant, since this particular crash is unrelated to Pattle. –dlthewave ☎ 20:31, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Exactly. A large portion of them were CR 42s. Automatically makes an image of it relevant. Dapi89 (talk) 22:07, 10 March 2019 (UTC)