# Talk:Pembrokeshire

I have wondered why this talk page wasn't being archived, too. Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Tony. I hope that I have done it right, or right-ish. Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I have created an article History of Pembrokeshire (from a redirect) prior to trimming down the History section in this article, but there is a reference formatting error in that ALL the Pembrokeshire refs have been included in the history article. Do I have to go through and weed out the 200 refs that do not apply to the history section? Or should I have done it a different way maybe by putting the refs inline? Happy to do the work, but not sure which way is simplest. Thanks, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
@Pdebee: - Patrick, you may know? Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

"There's a well known joke about a tourist in Ireland who asks one of the locals for directions to Dublin. The Irishman replies: "Well sir, if I were you, I wouldn't start from here"." How very annoying. Sorry, I really don't know. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Martin (I think). I first heard the joke in Wales, funnily enough. The rider, of course, is when the recipient gets cross, and is told "Don't shout at me, I'm not the one that's lost, am I?" T Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Dear Tony,Leave it with me; I'll take a look and report back.With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 16:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Dear Tony, Done! Would you like me to do the same once you've removed the History section from the main article?With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 17:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Many thanks Patrick. That was quick. How did you do that???
You're most welcome, Tony, The method I used, is to keep two windows open: one of the latest copy of your article (which listed all the cite errors in red at the bottom of the article), and another window with the same article, opened in edit mode. You then go down, reading the list of cite errors in the first window, then swap to the second window and simply delete the ref tags that were displayed in red in the error list. To make it faster, I tended to memorise 3 or 4 named ref tags each time, before swapping to the other window where I deleted them. QED. (I still deleted one too many, though!  )Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 17:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
On the Pembrokeshire article, no, because I just wanted to trim it bit by bit, as it's worth keeping a summary there for completeness. Does that make sense? Feel free to join in! Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
OK. I'll let you take the lead on this, but let me know if you need any assistance with handling ref tags.With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 17:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, Patrick, for your kind and speedy help, as always. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
I've also rather drastically trimmed the section in this article.  Feel free to reinsert aspects that you think have been unfairly cut. JASpencer (talk) 20:31, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

I have copied the whole history section to a new article History of Pembrokeshire with a view to trimming the extensive history section in this article. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I see my initial move has been reverted without discussion, so I guess I will abandon the idea of balancing the article in this way. Disappointed. Tony Holkham (Talk) 08:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
I have just seen this, Tony, and feel sorry for this turn of events. Perhaps you could consider appealing the decision, since it was not discussed, as you say, and make the case for why you decided to split off the History section into a separate article? Just a thought.With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 09:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Patrick, for your words of support. I don't feel up to tackling a dispute at the moment, so I will leave it there. I probably should have trimmed the history section on the same day as making the new article. All the best, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I've resurrected the article.  It looks fine to me, although it did need an introduction, which I've tried to provide. JASpencer (talk) 20:23, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
@JASpencer - you have worked very hard on this, and I'm delighted to see it. I expect Patrick @Pdebee will be able to help with cite errors that have come up. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
Oh no, not cite errors! I'll try to clean up tomorrow, but not tonight as I have a bed time. JASpencer (talk) 20:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
@JASpencer Thank you. Sleep well! Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:50, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

@JASpencer - I won't interfere while you are making multiple changes, but did you know there are sfn errors raised as a result? I wouldn't have a clue how to fix them, so hope you do! The article uses a different system of citations, set up by @Pdebee. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Dear Tony, All fixed.  Done.With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 02:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
@Pdebee - gosh Patrick, you were up half the night. Thank you. I still think the history section is overweight, but that's for another time. All is well here in sunny Sussex (but I do miss Pembrokeshire), and I hope the same with you. Best wishes, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 08:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Does this need a "History of Pembrokeshire" article? While going through this I was trying to trim the unnecessary text that best fits in other articles, but were some gaps at least in the Norman history so this might be ripe for a "History of..." article. JASpencer (talk) 10:18, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Yes @JASpencer, I believe so. I made a start a while ago (see above) and it was immediately reverted without discussion, so I thought I would leave it a while. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Dear Tony, Thank you for pinging me about it, as I have been away from home and taking a break from Wikipedia. As always, you're most welcome, of course. Yes, thank you: all is well here in sunny Pembs., and I am glad to know you're also keeping well in sunny Sussex. With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 11:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Sorry about that.  I usually manage to clear up after myself. JASpencer (talk) 10:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Dear JASpencer, Nice to "meet" you, and thank you for your recent updates. Please don't give it a second thought; the list-defined references method adopted in the present article is somewhat unusual but was arrived at by consensus in May-June 2020, at which time I implemented it and also agreed to keep it in good order. It was no problem at all to adjust your contributions to its formatting requirements.With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 11:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello again, JASpencer;Please may I ask that you consider adhering to MOS:CITEVAR by maintaining the citation style that was agreed in May-June 2020? (See earlier message above). Also, the Further reading section should only contain entries for sources not already used as references, per MOS:FURTHER. I will therefore restore the earlier content from before your last two edits.Thank you for your consideration.With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 16:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer - I see a bot change was made today here, and would like to understand it (if it's not too complicated!) Can you help? Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:41, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the ping. The bot is doing this as explained in its BRFA. In short, it is converting the list defined references into a format that works with VisualEditor, because it cannot handle the list defined references that rely on the {{Reflist}} template. You can find more details in the discussion links shared in the bot request. – DreamRimmer ■ 15:04, 18 November 2025 (UTC)