# Talk:Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

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The article's fair use rationales are fine, stability seems OK, neutrality seems fine. However, there is still some considerable expansion needed and some other issues.

The placement of cites is inconsistent, some are before commas, some are after, please move them behind the commas. Check that there's no spaces between full-stops and citations, spotted at least one.
Fixed comma/reference problems; extra spaces eliminated (one found). Synergy/Blades (Talk) 23:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Please use the more standard Gameplay> Plot> Development> Reception article layout.
Completed. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 23:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The article's lead is inadequate, "Originally announced at E3 2006[5] and released at the end of 2007, the game was well-received by critics." should be the start of a second paragraph, which should be roughly the same size as the current paragraph.
Have expanded to include second paragraph, mostly impact after the game's release (general reviews, sales). Synergy/Blades (Talk) 00:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Plot summary is almost completely unsourced, it needs to resemble Golden Sun: The Lost Age's plot section. "Elena looses her camera when nearly falling off a bridge but is saved by Nathan." Looses?
Looses was added after I nominated, honest! Anyway, have added relevant plot quotes, I feel I've got the right balance of quality vs. quantity. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 02:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
In gameplay: "the player can use melee and combo attacks at close..." could you explain combo attacks to the reader and link it to combo if there's an article here (think there is).
Hope that's a better explanation of combo attacks, have also tried to explain the difference between that and standard melee. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 00:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Under 'regional differences': "Unlike Resistance: Fall of Man, which was also censored on Japanese consoles, copying a save file from a North American console will not enable blood effects in Uncharted." needs citing.
As I somewhat expected, there is no reliable source for this. Short of attempting to integrate this tiny section elsewhere (which remains an option), I have expanded on how this censorship has happened for other bloody PS3 games in the Japanese region. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 00:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
What's there now is fine, except that the citation needs author and publisher details. What I'd suggest is tagging this sentence to the above paragraph, removing the subheading and putting the link to the list of regionally censored games in a 'see also' section at the end of the article. The material above this subheading, about unlockables, also needs citing. Someoneanother 01:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Reception is well-cited but threadbare, with a couple of single sentence paragraphs which should be merged or expanded. Cites are bunched up which suggests that the information within can be expanded. How about smacking readers upside the head with some choice quotes? This is an important PS3 title so really its reception section should be roughly the size of other well-documented games like Devil May Cry 4.
That's it for now, the development and sequel sections are just fine. Someoneanother 23:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to be a nuisance, but would you mind removing some of the one-word quotes, and instead using singular quotes which means that the cites don't have to be in the middle of sentences rather than tucked around full-stops or commas, IE some longer review statements? Someoneanother 05:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Two magazine reviews aren't cited in the review box, rather than worrying about trying to cite them how about just whipping them outta there? There's plenty of scores without them. Someoneanother 05:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Very well. I did it this way because, in my honest opinion, I found the Devil May Cry 4 reception section unhelpful. For Uncharted there are plenty of different individual points made by reviewers which, perhaps unlike DMC4, cannot be addressed by merely ripping chunks of sentences out of three or so reviews and placing them in the reception section. Nevertheless, if that's what it takes to get it to Good Article status, I will do it that way instead. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 14:16, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Right, in that case I've tweaked a few of the positions (altering no text or punctuation) which has reduced the amount of floating citations, a couple were in front of full stops instead of behind which was adding to the effect, so let's leave well enough alone in reception. If you could remove the magazine scores or cite them, not sure if you feel strongly they should be there or not, I'm having a final read-through of the article. Someoneanother 16:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I can find no other problems, thank you for your work and congratulations, Drake's Fortune is now a Good Article. I've removed the two scores, if you'd prefer to cite and keep them then please revert and do so. Someoneanother 16:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Uncharted drake fortress.jpg
I kind of doubt anyone who hasn't played through that section can even easily spot Nathan from the picture, let alone figure out what's going on in the image. Even enlarged, the resolution on the picture is ridiculous; it's not much an improvement. I have no doubt that it's the result of an effort to keep the resolution of fair use images low, but this is a prime example of the baby going out with the bathwater. I don't suppose getting a slightly larger version of the image would be a possibility?
And I'm not talking about HD resolution here, either; it's just that 240x160 pixels is small enough to turn most images where the main character is tiny in comparison to the rest of the picture more or less incomprehensible. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 10:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

When I cropped it, I was trying to convey a sense of the scale of certain sections and environments of the game. But I do see your point, and I've recropped the original, hope it looks better; the resolution is a little larger too. SynergyBlades (talk) 13:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yeah; that's a definite improvement. Now you can tell what's going on. Thanks! -- Captain Disdain (talk) 09:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I feel that having a list, along with insertion in the prose, of the voice acting cast makes it more efficient for people coming to the article specifically for that information. Rather than scanning the article for the POSSIBILITY of it containing the actual voice cast, in this case in parenthesis by their fictional counterparts. Insertion within the prose is aesthetically better looking, but certainly not as efficient. Granted, people could do a "ctrl+f" (or the like) to find 'Nathan Drake' and hope that it says who the voice actor is, but also, not everyone knows of such find shortcuts. Plus, with a separate section for the voice cast list it is in the little table of contents box and so readers can go directly to that information.
Also, I undid the deletion of the voice cast list whilst not logged-in because I am on a different computer than my own personal one and forgot that it wasn't auto-log-in.Nowdoug (talk) 03:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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Earlier today, I tried to reformat the plot and gameplay sections so that the gameplay would come first. However, I was reverted. Per WP:BRD, I'm starting up a discussion on what to do here with the layout. Should we keep the current layout or move the gameplay section to above the plot section? Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

The only time plot should come before gameplay in a VG article is if the plot is integral to understanding gameplay (The World Ends with You has this). Where the plot sits atop the gameplay - which is arguably the case for this game - it should follow after the gameplay as the VG MOS recommends, so I'm not sure why this order was agreed on here. --Masem (t) 06:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
The change appears to have been made in 2015 by an IP user and has not been significantly opposed since then (looks like it was originally like this too, before being changed during the GA review). I have no strong opinions either way, I just felt that a discussion was needed before changing something that had been in place for several years. – Rhain ☔ 06:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)