# Talk:UEFA Women's Euro 2022 final

This page should not be speedily deleted because it detailed the Euro final and provided the details it needed. --2603:8080:A00:6A34:ECD9:94B5:7198:FAE9 (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

"The rivalry between the English and German national teams is considered the greatest in football."
By whom? Even the main article doesn't really support this hypothesis. ANd the claim lacxks sources. 165.1.194.41 (talk) 09:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

The BBC source at the end of the paragraph, though there should be more nuance; I assume since it’s a more in-depth look and intended for English football fans, the source only touches. If you can introduce other sources (there are several) which discuss the rivalry in the context of this match, please amend and expand! Kingsif (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Article's protected, so I can't edit. THat's why I posted on the talk page in the first place.
The BBC article describes it well: In English football history, there is no greater rival than Germany
And wiki's own article on the rivalry as well:  it is mostly an English phenomenon since most German fans consider the Netherlands or Italy to be their traditional footballing rivals.
That's why I wrote that the statement needs to be amended. 165.1.194.41 (talk) 10:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
I've amended it to not make any superlative statements. If nothing else, it was a breach of WP:WEASEL, and it's the sort of "fact" that would require more than just a throwaway comment in a news article.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

As for the change [1] by Kingsif:
To remove the photo of the German team on the grounds that it is not from the final is a very strange argument, because the photos of Monzul, Popp, Kelly, Walsh, Wiegman are also not from the final but from 2014, 2018 and 2019. The photo of the German team was up to date, it was taken a month before! I chose the formatting in such a way that the players can be seen clearly without magnification and placed the photo in "a white hole". WeiterWeg (talk) 04:38, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Photos identifying people can be from any period, but saying "here's a team photo" directly implies (if not is actually claiming to be) that it's a photo of the team at the match. Line-ups change. Kit changes. And it wasn't "in a white hole", it was added in code below the infobox before the body text, so it became a half-page-width (as you say, you made it stupidly big) buffer pushing all the sections out of place (and before the lead? Have you ever edited an article before?) This really isn't worth discussion, your addition was bad and if why needs explaining, you need some experience. Kingsif (talk) 04:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Like, it's a great photo, but this is an article about a specific match, and the photo is not from the match. It may be better suited at the article listing all the squads for the tournament, if you want to add it somewhere. And that's the real issue, that this is the match article, not the tournament article, and this match had a specific line-up in a specific kit, and that photo shows neither. For individual people, faces don't change enough to not show them when doing so adds to some body text. Kingsif (talk) 04:49, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Should the lead be like this, Kingsif's own version, or my version, which is similar to UEFA Euro 2024 final? Ikhouvanjou14 (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

First, I once again object to you calling the lead any kind of my version - me being the user to explain why your edits are objectively bad does not make the previous stable version mine. This isn't my content vs your content, and the sooner you realise that, the sooner you will see the real issue.
Second (the real issue), it has been explained to you over five times why rewriting to shoehorn a bold title is against MOS and why explaining what the Euros is in the opening sentence of a much more specific article is against MOS. This isn't a matter of preference to take to discussion, nor of what you see elsewhere: this is a matter of not making things worse just because you want to, and, at this point, not being disruptive in hiding your lead edits with misleading summaries or trying to attack me just for tirelessly explaining all of this to you. Kingsif (talk) 17:04, 3 August 2025 (UTC)