# Talk:Tyrese Haliburton

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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 17:36, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Am happy to review this article as part of the GAN Backlog Drive of April to May 2020. MWright96 (talk) 17:36, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 


### High school career
"and shot 18-of-18" - en dashes please


### Recruiting
"he committed to Iowa State on September 18, 2017." - committed to playing college basketball for


### College career
"He scored a career-high 16 points on November 26, in an 82–55 victory over Omaha." - He scored a career-high 16 points in a 82–55 victory against Omaha on November 26.
"His 17 assists were the most by an Iowa State player in a game," - any
"Through 35 games in his freshman season, Haliburton averaged 6.8 points, 3.6 assists, and 1.5 steals per game." - repetition of "game"
"On January 4, 2020, he recorded 22 points" - try Haliburton for variety
"He was subsequently named Big 12 Player of the Week for his second time." - the
"After fracturing his wrist on February 8" - ESPN states it was his left wrist that was fractured


### National team career
"shooting 8-of-9 from the field," - the hyphens should be replaced by en dashes


### References
Reference 4 is missing the author, which is locate at the bottom of the article
Reference 21 title: "I owa State men's basketball: Tyrese Haliburton named Big 12 player of the week" - the space in the text in bold is unneeded
Am going to put the review on hold to allow the nominator to address/query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 18:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@MWright96: All comments have been addressed Sportzeditz (talk) 18:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
@Sportzeditz: Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 19:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Haliburton was traded on February 8, 2022, to the Indiana Pacers. Seattlecraig666 (talk) 01:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:17, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}): please change birth place from "Milwaukee, Wisconsin" to "Oshkosh, Wisconsin"
Why it should be changed: born location is inaccurate
References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): 
70.132.214.87 (talk) 11:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

There are multiple instances of him being described as a "three star recruit" where the word "recruit" is linked to the page describing NCAA college athletic College_recruiting in the United States without ever specifying what the "three stars mean. I believe there should only be one link to the US concept of recruiting for college athletics, which is unique in the world, and it seems like there should be some clarification about what the stars mean. MyIP19216811 (talk) 23:46, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Tyrese "The Moment" Haliburton 2600:387:F:5633:0:0:0:4 (talk) 04:10, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

The current lead states that Haliburton is "nicknamed 'The Haliban' for his lethal offensive plays." I'm not taking issue with the nickname (it's clearly in semi-regular use regardless of its controversy), but I think the description should be removed. The word "lethal" appears in one of the cited sources (Kumar: "Haliburton is running a better offense, commanding a deeper team, and proving that pace and precision can be just as lethal as iso-scoring.") but without specifying that this is the source of the nickname or otherwise related to it. Just speaking anecdotally, I think the nickname comes from (1) the recent use of "terrorist" as a general nickname in sports for particularly hated players, (2) his series against the Knicks with plenty of "the Haliban took down the second tower" jokes, and (3) his reputation as a clutch, impact player who demoralizes opposing teams.
As is, I don't think that any of the sources actually show that "lethal offensive plays" are the source of his nickname, so I think it should be removed. Until there are sources more clearly dealing with where the nickname came from, I say we just leave the nickname without any description--very few other basketball nicknames feature such a justification in the lead anyways (see Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Tim Duncan, etc.).  Pkoroly (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I've removed it altogether from the lead as WP:RECENTISM.—Bagumba (talk) 18:43, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
I think we should add it back - people generally give him that nickname. We can say for justification that he made many game winning shots after leading the pacers to big comebacks in the 2025 NBA playoffs. Milkisverytasty (talk) 17:07, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
I just don't think we need a justification at all. Unless a reliable article specifically says, "Haliburton has this nickname because of this part of his playstyle/career," I think we should just leave the nickname in with the sources.
I do think there's merit to the recentism concern though, considering the nickname has been in popular use for maybe a month and still facing some resistance. It's clear that it has some valid use and has been recognized by some reliable sources (maybe not the best but still sufficient to attest to it), but perhaps it belongs in a different place in the article until its relevance/use is shown to be more enduring. Pkoroly (talk) 18:17, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
This article will probably help with the justification. Though there could be recentism concerns, it is clearly widespread and commonly used enough to leave it on the page, and the majority of the Talk Page discussion seems to side with this. Rolesafter1 (talk) 02:00, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Reason for Change
There is a minor mistake that states "Haliburton ultimately suited up for Game 6 of the series, helping the Pacers blow out the Thunder 108–97, and forcing a Game 7" in the section "2024–25: First Finals appearance" under "Indiana Pacers (2022--Present)" under "Professional career". The actual blowout was by a larger margin, 108-91. This is what is reported across all news outlets and on Google's live sports system. The same citation that was originally used can also be used in the updated version.
Actual Change
Change "Haliburton ultimately suited up for Game 6 of the series, helping the Pacers blow out the Thunder 108–97, and forcing a Game 7." to "Haliburton ultimately suited up for Game 6 of the series, helping the Pacers blow out the Thunder 108–91, and forcing a Game 7." Santoshpatapati (talk) 03:48, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done Day Creature (talk) 06:04, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

@Rolesafter1: What the Helly? The "Hali" nickname is honestly so much in less of a need of a talk page discussion than "Haliban". I get Haliban was added to this article before, but it is certainly not the "original" nickname for Haliburton (if that's what you meant by your edit summary). You removed it initially because two nicknames was apparently not conforming. Obviously you are aware now, but for others that will see and contribute to this talk page discussion going forward, it should be again noted that Michael Jordan and Jerry West are very high-profile examples of articles having 2+ nicknames (West being a good article on top of it). Also, while I do agree that NBA player bios should have a similar structure, they don't need to conform to the same cookie-cutter format exclusively down to every detail.
Anyways, the Hali nickname should be included in the lead and is honestly more apt to include in the lead than Haliban (as creative and distinct to Haliburton that that one is). I would actually think Haliban is something more suitable to include somewhere in the prose of the 2025 season section, but I support both being in the lead.
Ample references of "Hali" being used for Haliburton exist and examples include:

in the prose of the following sources:
(1) Sporting News
(2) Complex: "No matter what he wears, good or bad, Hali always dresses to leave an impression."
(3) The Ringer: "Hali's made use of this extended run to show the league just how well rounded a player he's become."
in the headline/title of articles by:
(4) Andscape (the source I initially added)
(5) Indianapolis Recorder
(6) some video titles by Bleacher Report
casual social media usage in tweets by: (7) Bleacher Report; (8) StatMuse; (9) NBA on TNT; (10) the official @NBA account; (11) NBA TV; (12) ESPN
usage by sports media personalities such as: (13) Nick Wright; (14) Skip Bayless; (15) Colin Cowherd; (16) Rachel Nichols; as well as (17) Chiney Ogwumike saying "what the Hali?" in a SportsCenter report on Game 1 of the Finals.
usage by a fellow player: (16) LeBron
(18) The first nickname listed on his Basketball-Reference page
and maybe most importantly, (19) Acknowledged by Haliburton himself (in June 2023, no less) as being so common that it's become an "it is what it is" situation for him
(20) and even though he mentioned he hated it in that tweet, it's being used as the name for his first signature shoe
As far as which sources to use when re-adding this to the lead, I would say all or some combination of The Ringer, Complex, Chimney sources through an efn tag that's worded something like "Sources that reference the nickname include:" (see this note section for example). If only one source is needed, The Ringer is a quality source with a clear usage of the nickname, and as such, it suffices here in my opinion. Soulbust (talk) 20:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

What I meant in the edit summary by 'original' is that Haliban's already been discussed on the Talk Page, while Hali hadn't really been, apologies for the confusion there. I personally think adding Hali is excessive, especially since it's just a shortening of his name (see how in Michael Jordan's article 'MJ' and his nicknames are separated as two distinct things) and while some NBA players have more than one nickname up there, there are many others who only have one despite having many very well-known nicknames (ex: LeBron). Also, I still think Haliban is more of a 'nickname' than Hali and is used enough to be put in the lead over Hali, but this is a good amount of sources and research where if other people support it I won't object to it being added alongside Haliban.
I'd also be fine with the lead being something like Michael Jordan's lead: "Tyrese John Haliburton (born February 29, 2000), also known as Hali, is an American professional basketball player for the Indiana Pacers of the National Basketball Association (NBA). Nicknamed "The Haliban", he is a two-time NBA All-Star and two-time All-NBA Third Team selection." I think this is the best way to incorporate Hali if others decide to include it, especially since Hali is basically a shortening of his name, like Michael Jordan's MJ. Rolesafter1 (talk) 23:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
No worries, I did think you meant original as it pertains to being discussed for inclusion on here; I was just stating that in the case that there was some sort of misinterpretation, but all good.
You pointing to "MJ" being listed on Jordan's article is actually something I feel helps further justify "Hali" on here. Because the initials feels more excessive to me than the Hali shortening. Kevin Durant is another example of this. Ultimately I just feel this is the nature of nicknames. Particularly in basketball culture, where the more elite, iconic, or historic players are known by one name (i.e. "Bron", "Jordan", "Bird", "Dirk"), with that one name sometimes being a nickname ("Magic"). The LeBron article is only listing the one, I think, because there are just so many nicknames with him and honestly only "King James" is truly iconic for him, imo.
While for Hali it's his surname, maybe the most applicable comp here is Shaq. So with that one in mind, I think your suggestion to have it worded as "also known as Hali" (in a separate sentence than Haliban mention), or something similar along those lines is a good medium. Soulbust (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Completely valid points and well-argued! Here's hoping a few other people weigh in soon but otherwise I'd be happy supporting adding in the "also known as Hali" part. Sorry for the hassle, just didn't want another chaotic debate/editing war to open up so soon after the Haliban nickname had been added. Rolesafter1 (talk) 05:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
It seems to me that "Hali" is both (significantly) more widely used and has been used longer than "the Haliban". I personally am close to equally in favor of a) including both in the lead, or b) putting Hali in the lead and moving Haliban to the article body until more time has passed and it shows continued usage, with a slight preference toward option B. OceanGunfish (talk) 11:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
I heavily disagree with moving it to the article body, as Haliban is very clearly widely used as well, and believe the "also known as Hali" suggested above is a good compromise, especially considering Hali is a shortened form of Haliburton's name and is similar to how Michael Jordan's lead is structured. Rolesafter1 (talk) 19:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
I think if Haliban isn't moved to the body, it should at least be explained in the body. This is because it isn't immediately obvious to casual readers why that's a nickname. Jordan's "Air" nickname is explained both in lead and body. I don't think Haliban nickname would be included in the list of exceptions of what doesn't need to be repeated/elaborated upon in the body as per MOS:LEADREL. Reggie Miller's "Knick Killer" nickname isn't expanded upon, but it is explained in the lead. I don't have an issue keeping Haliban in the lead though. Soulbust (talk) 05:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
Hali isn't really a nickname tbh, like it's basically calling Lebron as Bron, Dame for Damian Lillard, Steph for Stephen Curry etc whereas the Haliban, King James / LeGM, DameTime, Chef Curry are proper nicknames.
I do think it's unfortunate he has this nickname so if there was a new nickname that replaces this I'm all supportive. Nkulasingham (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
I mean it's literally what a nickname is; a lot of nicknames are just derived from or a shortened version of a person's full name. We don't do something like Christopher "Chris" Evans because it's implied, especially given our article titles on Wikipedia. (Steph by the way is a strong example of a nickname because Wardell is actually his first name). However, because "Hali" is derived from his surname, it isn't implied or obvious. Would like to remind @Rolesafter1: of this. Would be in support of both Hali and Haliban being in the lead. As @OceanGunfish: said, ""Hali" is both (significantly) more widely used and has been used longer than "the Haliban"". Soulbust (talk) 00:55, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Change his nickname from the taliban to The Moment Jesse.Sebrasky (talk) 19:59, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Day Creature (talk) 05:27, 25 June 2025 (UTC)