# Talk:Siege of Trichinopoly (1743)

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While he was contemplating an invasion of Carnatic region to reestablish his authority as Viceroy of Deccan, Dalavayi Devarajaiya of Mysore when came to know he joined the Nizam to take back Trichinopoly from the Maratha's, for which in January 1743 he made and agreement with the Nizam to pay 10,000,000 ₹s if the latter would bring Trichinopoly under Mysore.
I I I I I I I I I I I I I I  I don't understand what this is trying to say; I can't figure out it's intended meaning. The main issue here is Dalavayi Devarajaiya of Mysore when came to know he joined the Nizam to take back. I don't even understand. Omer123hussain, you are the main contributor to this article. Can you explain the intended meaning as I cannot firgure it out. Uh no not this one, the sentence after. Can I Log In (talk) 05:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

thanks for your copyedit Can I Log In, Mysore was independent neighboring state of Trichinopoly, the ruler (Dalavayi Devarajaiya ) of Mysore intended to extend his kingdom and make a deal with Nizam, if he occupy Trichinopoly from Maratha for him Nizam will be paid 10 Million INR. Thus Nizam took it but due to non payment he kept it under his control.
Note 1) to the north of Trichinopoly lies the carnatic region which was under the control of Nizam/Mughal and south west was Mysore Empire.
Note 2) Chanda saheb (Dewan to the Nawab of Arcot) deceived the ruler of Trichinopoly and occupied it, Marathas took it back from Chanda Saheb, thus Nizam intended to take it back from Marathas, thus Mysore Dalavayi joined him and kept an offer to pay 10 Million if Nizam occupy Trichinopoly and give him-(Dalavayi).
--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:32, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your rephrasing in the article and clarification. I have cut the "snake" down to this:
He though about invading the Carnatic region to reestablish his authority as Viceroy of Deccan; instead, in January 1743, Dalavayi Devarajaiya of Mysore, after establishing his hold in Carnatic region, offered the Nizam 10,000,000 ₹s in exchange for Trichinopoly.
It's a lot less wordy and more clear. Can I Log In (talk) 03:42, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Can I Log In for your efforts to organize the vocabulary. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:15, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Siege of Trichinopoly (1743)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Catlemur (talk · contribs) 17:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I will start the review shortly.--Catlemur (talk) 17:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

The article currently refers to Nizam-ul-Mulk, Asaf Jah I as both Nizam I and Asaf Jah I, which confuses the reader. It would be helpful if you mentioned that he was referred by both of these names in a sentence and then stick to one of the names for consistency.  Done
Add a hatnote at the top of the article directing the reader to the other Sieges of Trichinopoly.  Done
Remove the asterisks from the commanders section of the infobox.  Done
Rename the History section into Prelude.  Done
Rename the 1743 siege section into Siege.  Done
Wikilink the Mughal Empire upon its first mention and capitalize the E.  Done
The second paragraph immediately jumps into Nizam's defeat of Mubariz Khan. What preceded it? Was Nizam motivated to carve himself a state by his ejection from the Delhi court? Did the battle provoke a full scale war between Nizam and the Mughals? The previous questions on Nizam's status tie into why he was selected as mediator to travel to northern India. As it implies that he was in good standing with the Mughals despite seizing power in the south.  Done
Wikilink ₹.  Done
The references section is inconsistent. If you cite a book you need to mention its title, the first and last names of its author(s), its ISBN, its publisher, its year of publication and an accessdate if you are linking to an online copy of it. This should be done for all books cited.  Done
Ref 21 by K. R. Subramanian indicates that its self published. What makes it a reliable source?  Done
More to come later on.--Catlemur (talk) 19:00, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
(Non-nominator comment)
ISBN—Y Partly done either the rest without ISBNs are either not books or I just can't find them.
Wikilink ₹—Y Partly done added a link to Indian rupees in parenthises on the first occurance. The ₹ is transcluded from Template:₹.
Nizam I and Asaf Jah I inconsistency, 2nd paragraph, and ref 21— On hold pending nominator's comment.
Everything else listed so far is  Done.
Can I Log In (talk) 21:29, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Fixed all recommendations. :)-Omer123hussain (talk) 08:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
@Catlemur:, hope its fit for GA now. :) - Omer123hussain (talk) 04:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I have not completed the review yet. I will leave comments in bursts, since I am really busy IRL. Sorry for that.--Catlemur (talk) 14:13, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Remove Category 18th century in India since you already have 1743 in India which is a subcategory of the former.  Done
Replace the colons with hyphens for inline citation page ranges.  Done
Capitalize Siege and Battle for wikilinks, linking to specific military conflicts. This is currently done inconsistently.
Ref 13 still only has a book title.  Done
Ref 14 is missing an author.  Done
Sowars and Sepoy are capitalized in some instances and not in others. If Sowar is used to mean a rank you can keep it capitalized, if its a term for a cavalryman leave it in lower case like sepoy.  Done
Under the influence of Nizam's opponents, Mughal Emperor Muhammad Shah issue a decree to Mubariz Khan the governor of Hyderabad to cease the Nizam from overtaking the Deccan province under his control,→Under the influence of Nizam's opponents, Mughal Emperor Muhammad Shah issued a decree to Mubariz Khan, the governor of Hyderabad, ordering him to prevent the Nizam from taking the Deccan province under his control.  Done
On 11 October 1724, the Nizam defeated and Killed Mubariz Khan, established autonomy over the Deccan region.→On 11 October 1724, the Nizam defeated and killed Mubariz Khan, establishing autonomous rule over the Deccan region.  Done
80 Km→80 kilometres (50 mi)  Done
resulted in Battle of Shakar Kheda.→resulting in the Battle of Shakar Kheda.  Done
Nizam remained loyal with Mughal Emperor, did not assumed any imperial title for himself and never refuse to acknowledge Mughal suzerainty.→Nizam remained loyal to the Mughal Emperor, he did not assume an imperial title and continued to acknowledge Mughal suzerainty.  Done
"Asaf Jahi Nizams"→"Asaf Jahi Nizam"  Done
He was resolving a settlement between Muhammad Shah and Nadir Shah→He was resolving a dispute between Muhammad Shah and Nadir Shah  Done
Dehli invasion and Nadir Shah are capitalized twice.  Done
Maratha's→Maratha  Done
he appointed Khwaja Abdullah as the governor of Trichinopoly→he appointed Khwaja Abdullah as the governor of the city  Done
became a refuge in Trichinopoly→sought refuge in Trichinopoly
(Copy editor comment) All  Done. Can I Log In (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
"But in January 1743, Dalavayi Devarajaiya of Mysore, after establishing his hold on the Carnatic region, offered the Nizam 10,000,000 ₹ (Indian rupees) in exchange for Trichinopoly." Did the Nizam refuse? Mention it explicitly.  Done
could not show resistance→was in no position to mount an adequate defense  Done
blocking and disconnecting the supply line of Maratha's aid.→cutting its supply lines.  Done
was less than the Nizam's→was smaller than the Nizam's  Done
sowar→Sowar (didn't I ask you fix that already?)  Done
₹s→₹ (Only use the rupee symbol if it was already in use at the time of the siege, otherwise replace it with the word rupees across the entire article.)  Done
the hill-fort of Penukonda, around the fort,→the hill-fort of Penukonda, the adjacent areas,  Done
The Maratha's influence in the region was replaced by French and British forces.→Maratha influence in the Carnatic subsequently waned, opening the way for the French and British East India Companies to split the region between themselves.  Done
Raghuji or Raghoji?  Done
Dalavayi→Dalavayi Devarajaiya (its wikilinked twice, remove the second one)  Done
Did the Nizam mount any assaults during the siege or did he just wait for the defenders to starve? If its the latter how much provision did they have? Unable to find this data
What kind of siege equipment was utilized?
Can you provide a couple of sentences of background details on the Maratha-Mughal power struggle? Did they only fight in the Carnatic? Why was the region so important?
Copyedits and Did the Nizam refuse? Mention it explicitly. are  Done by nominator; the last 3 bullet points are currently  Not done. Can I Log In (talk) 22:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 Done except those said above, will complete today, Did the Nizam mount any assaults during the siege or did he just wait for the defenders to starve., data about assault and provisions is not retreivable online. :)Omer123hussain (talk) 04:25, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
After the invasion of 1941→??
(also known as Nizam, Nizam I and Asaf Jah I)→Remove this from the lede, only mention the alternative names in a single sentence of the background Done
But in January 1743→However in January 1743 Done
The Nizama accepted the offer and kept the condition for him to participate while attacking Trichinopoly.→ 1. Nizam is misspelled 2.If he accepted the offer, then did Mysore actually participate in the siege? Done
The surrender of Trichinopoly along with Madurai terretory→The surrender of Trichinopoly along with the Madurai territory Done
Wikilink Sufi Done
By the end of 1743, the Nizam regained full control of Deccan.→By the end of 1743, the Nizam had regained full control of Deccan. Done
Marath's→Maratha Done
which had overthrown the internal rebellion of regional governors (Subedar)→What is that supposed to mean? Done
Maratha's→Maratha Done
and 150 war elephants→Mention the elephants in the infobox Done
Next time you want to request a GA review have your article checked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors and have it checked for B class criteria. Or the review is going to drag because of copy editing issues.--Catlemur (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@Catlemur:  Done, thanks for your review. :)-Omer123hussain (talk) 08:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
The lede should serve purely as a summary of the article. Therefore there should not be any citations there. Currently it focuses too much on the aftermath of the siege, while it should represent a summary of the Background, Siege and Aftermath sections equally. Done
Debold Nizam in the lede. Done
Mubariz Khan is wikilinked twice. Done
and assured Dalavayi to bring Trichinopoly under Mysore→and assured Dalavayi that Trichinopoly will be brought under his control Done
Note A needs to be referenced by a reliable citation. I would suggest bringing its contents into the main body of the article actually. Done
If there aren't any available sources on the process of the siege, siege equipment etc. This must be confirmed by a reliable source and mentioned in the main body of the article, otherwise this claim would constitute Original Research. If you cannot find a reliable source that confirms this, that means that the coverage of the siege is insufficient for GA status. Done
Remove the Further Reading section, since it has very little to do with the primary topic of the article.Catlemur (talk) 17:03, 15 September 2020 (UTC) Done
@Catlemur: completed all suggestions.
Remove the second paragraph of the lede. Information should be presented in a chronological order. You talk about late 1743 in the first paragraph and then jump to 1741 in the second one.
Can be re-written in?  Done
Maratha's governor→Maratha governor Done
as Maratha Emperor Shahu I was actively engaged in the expeditions to expand Maratha supremacy over the Delhi, Bengal and Odisha where in the imperial army of Mughal Emperor Muhammad Shah was confronting the attacks made by Maratha Emperor Shahu I at multiple fronts.→as Maratha Emperor Shahu I was actively engaged in the expeditions to expand Maratha supremacy over Mughal held Delhi, Bengal and Odisha. Done
which later splited Maratha empire→which later caused the Maratha empire to desintegrate. Done
Nizam was thou in a strong position with a large army and artillery kept his army on hold to attack the fort, diplomatically avoided any aggressive action and conflicts with Murari Rao's army.→Nizam intended to win the siege through attrition, placing his numerically superior army and artillery kept his army on hold, diplomatically avoiding any aggressive action and conflicts with Murari Rao's army. Done
You mentioned artillery, what kind of artillery was it?
Discovered some content so added in the related section, Hope it serves the purpose. Done
terretory→territory  Done
as he suffered from the financial crisis→as he suffered from a financial crisis Done
Move the first paragraph of the Siege section to Prelude. Done
The references section is inconsistent. If you cite a book you need to mention its title, the first and last names of its author(s), its ISBN, its publisher, its year of publication and an accessdate if you are linking to an online copy of it. This should be done for all books cited. (Repeating this one since it applies to the newly introduced references)--Catlemur (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
@Catlemur: completed suggestions except two, will amend rather than removing the text in lede. :)Omer123hussain (talk) 15:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
@Catlemur: completed all.
@Omer123hussain: No, you haven't completed all the suggestions. Many references are still inconsistent even though you claimed that you have corrected them three times already. I am at my wit's end with this review, as it just keeps siphoning my (very limited) free time. Please carefully read my instructions and spellcheck your work before pinging me again.--Catlemur (talk) 17:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Catlemur (talk · contribs) because some of the references (books and journals) are published in early 1920-30 that is why they do not have either isbn or some kind of information, any way this time I had re-arranged citations. the format I used is  ((Text, Chapter, URL, Last, First, Year, Publisher and accessdate)Page numbers). I did my best to arrange them once again, please have a look.  hope they are organized now.
"and another 200 elephant carrying artillery (Cannons, Guns and Carriages) and ammunition." - Do you mean elephant carried artillery? wikilink it to Mughal artillery. Cannons, Guns and Carriages should not be capitalized.
Yes, in those days they use to have carriages like this
gauntlet links to a disambig page. Done
decide to defend the fort with 4000 sepoy, 2000 Sowar and a considerable number of artillery that consist canons, guns, mortar and grenades.→decided to defend the fort with 4000 sepoy, 2000 Sowar and a considerable number of artillery that consisted of canons, guns, mortar and grenades. Done
which kept the Nizma forces→ which kept the Nizam's forces Done
I made some copyedditing myself to speed up the process. Once you fix the above as well as the references it should be good to go, as the coverage of the siege has improved.--Catlemur (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks once again, for your efforts.
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: --Catlemur (talk) 11:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, appreciate your peer sense to evaluate and patients. :)Omer123hussain (talk) 13:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)