# Talk:Shalom Nagar

This review is transcluded from Talk:Shalom Nagar/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Jonathan Deamer (talk · contribs) 17:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 12:31, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct: 

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation: 

Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline: 

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose): 

C. It contains no original research: 

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic: 

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style): 

Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each: 

Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute: 

Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content: 

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 

Image review

Could you add any picture (for instance, one about Eichmann's trial)? Borsoka (talk) 13:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
Done. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
File:Adolf Eichman in Ramle Prison1961.jpg: US PD tag is needed at Commons. Borsoka (talk) 01:26, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Have changed this image to a different one that has its Israel PD status confirmed by Wikimedia Volunteer Response team, but am unfortunately unable to verify its US PD status to add the tag at Commons. Have asked for help here and here with no luck. Would you suggest removing this image? Or are there any other paths to checking this I should investigate?
Separately, another editor has kindly added a non-free image with fair use rationale, which I hope is sufficient for good article criterion 6? Jonathan Deamer (talk) 09:46, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
Source review

Reference 12: a date is missing.
Added. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Do JNS.org, jfi.org, fr.de publish reliable sources?
JNS: fair point, this source is labelled as opinion. It was used three times in the article. On two occasions, it is unnecessary as facts are supported by other sources, so I have removed it. The remaining time is used to support a non-controversial description and anecdote attributed to a named author, so not presented as fact in wikivoice, which I think means its appropriate. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 10:19, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
JFI.org is also superfluous so I've removed it. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:04, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
fr.de was only used as a source for the existence of the novel Nagars Nacht. I've removed it and instead used the novel itself as a source. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:45, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
ISSN is added at Roberts, but it is missing at other cited newspaper titles. Borsoka (talk) 13:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
Added for other titles where I could find via Worldcat. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:08, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
Reference 4, 5, and 7 do not verify the statement (and according to my calculation, reference 7/worldisraelnews gives an alternative year for his arrival).
Source 4, BBC, says "moved to Israel as an orphan in 1948". I've removed the Jerusalem Post source as this doesn't verify the statement. I've included the fact that sources (World Israel News) differ on the exact year. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:25, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Each date in the second sentence of the first paragraph should be verified at the end of the sentence.
Done. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:25, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Please check each reference, and ping me when you are ready. Borsoka (talk) 12:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
@Jonathan Deamer: when do you think you can complete source checking? Borsoka (talk) 10:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the nudge @Borsoka. Will do so by 27th April. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka I've reviewed the rest of the sources for issues like those you've highlighted above and made a couple of further minor tweaks. I'm happy with the sourcing now, but welcome any further pointers on things to look at again. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:40, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
References 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 checked. Borsoka (talk) 02:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
Comments

Add his full name when he is first mentioned in the main text.
Done Jonathan Deamer (talk) 18:20, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
... before moving to Israel in 1948...before moving to Rosh HaAyin... Rephrase.
Done Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
He came from a religious family, later becoming secular before returning to Orthodox Judaism after he executed Eichmann. Delete ", later becoming secular before returning to Orthodox Judaism after he executed Eichmann" (because these facts will be repeated in the article). I would move the part "He came from a religious family." to be the section's third sentence.
Done Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
After his military service... Is "his" necessary? 
Done. Use of "his" in this way feels like it might be my British English / talking from the cultural perspective of military service not being standard as in Israel. So have wikilinked Conscription in Israel. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
...joined the Israel Prison Service When?
Sources don't specify an exact year. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:47, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
Do we know when he married his wife and some info about her?
Added her name per source. Will look for further info. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:47, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
Done. "He was survived by his wife Ora, and three of their four children." seems to be the main other detail relating to her, which I've added. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 09:59, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
...for the Israel Prison Service...at the time... Delete.
@Borsoka Sorry, which bits should be deleted? Both occurrences of "at the time" in the Adolf Eichmann section? Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
...whose families were killed...he was randomly selected... Why not past perfect?
Sorry, crossed this one out in error. Thanks for addressing in your edit. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 10:42, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Link furlough.
Done Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Write and link "Post-traumatic stress disorder" instead of PTSD.
Done Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Introduce Levinger with two or three words.
Done, "settler leader". Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:49, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
... Nagar was asked... By whom?
@Borsoka Having checked multiple sources (added The Times alongside existing Haaretz one), info exactly who asked doesn't appear to be available. Is there a change you'd suggest to make this clear? Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:49, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
Introduce Demjanjuk with one or two words.
Done. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:49, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
... by journalists... Some more info? For instance, Israeli/...?
Added "Israeli". Not sure there's more in sources that isn't already covered in next sentence?
...in the great mitzvah of wiping out Amalek... A short explanation?
Done, but suggested improvements especially welcome on the phrasing of this. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:47, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
Explain kollel with two or three words.
Done Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:01, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
An important article. Thank you for it. Borsoka (talk) 13:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@Borsoka Thanks for picking up this review! I may do a couple of small bits in response to your comments above over the next couple of days, but will properly engage in earnest at the weekend. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 18:16, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
OK, no problem. Borsoka (talk) 00:53, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka I think I've actioned all your feedback so far and/or responded to all your comments above, so the article's ready for you to take another look whenever you are :) Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:09, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
The lead should be rewritten to be more concise and avoid repetitions. Borsoka (talk) 04:53, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Made it more concise; are there any specific repetitions you had in mind? Jonathan Deamer (talk) 10:56, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
I edited the lead. Please check it and feel free to edit it. Borsoka (talk) 05:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka Better order, thank-you. Added a missing word. I agree with your cuts. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 18:31, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
@Jonathan Deamer @Borsoka any updates on the review? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 09:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
@Abo Yemen I believe I've actioned everything I can and am awaiting further feedback, but @Borsoka please correct me if I'm wrong. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 11:09, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, I made a source review. Please find my comments above. Borsoka (talk) 12:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for this interesting article. Consider requesting a peer review to get ideas for further improvements before a FAC. Borsoka (talk) 02:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Many thanks @Borsoka for your efforts on the review and the helpful feedback along the way! I appreciate the collaboration. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 11:32, 27 April 2025 (UTC)


### Shalom Nagar
This article's recently been listed as a GA and I'd like to work to get it to FA. Any and all feedback appreciated. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

I will do this one. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:42, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
Alt texts for images will be needed.
It is better to have all sources archived.
Publishers/websites in sources with either need the URL or the website name, not a mix.
Some sources are missing dates.
There is a source on the Eichmann article about when exactly the execution occurred.
That is all I could find, I am not familiar with the FA process but these will definitely help. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:03, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
@History6042 Many thanks for this helpful feedback! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:55, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
Alt text now in place.
Sources now consistently have website name, not URL, with wikilinks where appropriate.
Dates added to sources where available.
Clarified that "sources differ on when exactly the execution occurred", and added one such source from the Eichmann article.
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 07:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
And now archive links are in place for all sources. Any feedback of course still welcome, but as this request is a couple of months old with no comments from anyone other than me for over a month I'll close it. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Is this really the best way of writing it?  That Nagar was "responsible for the execution"?  He performed it and, according to the article, was persuaded to do it, despite not feeling inclined to.  Doesn't "responsible" give the wrong impression of Nagar's weight, so to speak?  Fomalhaut76 (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

@Fomalhaut76 I agree. Will revert this recent (ie. after GA review) edit. Thanks for highlighting. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Not sure if this point is worth adding to the "later years" section, or verging on trivia? The perceived different treatment because of his ethnicity could be a good addition if tied to broader themes, or to how he became Eichmann's guard in the first place, but both of these feel a bit WP:OR.

In 2012, fifty years after Eichmann's execution, Nagar was invited to the opening of an exhibition on Eichmann's capture at the Museum of the Jewish Diaspora. In an interview with NRG Ma'ariv, he remarked that he had not been invited to the Holocaust museum at Yad Vashem, and expressed the view that he would have received more recognition had he been Ashkenazi rather than Yemeni.
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 05:42, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
This looks like it belongs in the article? FunkMonk (talk) 13:39, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
Added. Feels more fitting now that it connects to the recently added Itamar Mann source. Jonathan Deamer (talk)

Per discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Seeking a mentor for my first FAC nomination, setting up a space for any feedback from @FunkMonk.
One particular area I’d welcome feedback on is the lead length. It was made much more concise following feedback during the GA process, which gives me pause before expanding it again in preparation for FAC. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

I'll have a read soon. At a cursory glance, I'd expect the intro to at least mention the method in which Eichmann was executed, as I assume this event is what most people will look up this article for, so it should probably have a bit more weight. Will evaluate the overall length when I've read the entire article (as it should summarise all of it). Added some preliminary comments below. FunkMonk (talk) 19:10, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
The Holocaust is WP:duplinked twice in the same section. 
I'd link kosher butcher, or at least kosher, if the former term doesn't have an article.
Yemenite Jews should be linked.
Now done in the paragraph that also linked Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews, which I assume is what was meant. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Yeah, I would however link Yemenite Jews already in his early life section, around " born into a religious family in Yemen". In the intro as well. FunkMonk (talk) 13:37, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
Spell out Eichmann's name and link it in the image caption that mentions him. Perhaps even introduce him in the caption, such as "Nazi war criminal" or such.
"and feared it was an attempt to convert them." To what?
The Adolf Eichmann section could be called "execution of Adolf Eichmann" or such to better establish context.
Being a fairly short article, I'm wondering if more sources could be found on for example Google Books or Google Scholar. Sources you don't have access to can be requested at WP:RX.
Many thanks, have actioned all items above (marked with strikethrough) except the Google Books one, which I'll look at next. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Perhaps there is even a book biography of him? FunkMonk (talk) 13:37, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
"Haaretz and The Times of Israel report his year of birth as 1936" perhaps state for context that this was in their obituaries of him.
"Nagar made his way to Israel in 1948" perhaps WP:pipelink Aliyah
Perhaps link Jewish secularism.
"At the age of 16, Nagar joined the army,[1] and two years later, he joined the elite Israel Defense Forces" Since the army is the IDF, wouldn't it be less convoluted to just say "At the age of 16, Nagar joined the Israel Defense Forces,[1] and two years later, he joined the army's elite Paratroopers Brigade"?
"ensured that the Eichmann guards were Sephardic" Yemenite Jews technically aren't Sephardis (Iberian Jews and others who follow their rites) but Mizrachis, so while the point of course is here that Ashkenazis were not chosen, I wonder if anything in the sources would support just saying "non-Ashkenazi Jews or "Sephardis and other non-Ashkenasi Jews"? I think the two groups were colloquially conflated at the time, so if that's the case, not much we can do.
"If we lose one Yemenite, it's no great loss" anything else about him in the context of early Israeli discrimination against and assimilation of Yemenite and other Mizrachi Jews?
You may disagree with this, but to establish context, which is one of the FAC criteria, I'd give some more brief detail about who Eichmann actually was and what he did, and perhaps even how he was caught, so that the significance of this event becomes clearer.
"while he was out walking with his wife, Ora Nagar" any other details about them as a couple, when were they married, was she also Yemenite, when were their children born, etc.
I've not found any relevant additional information on Ora nagar in any of the sources, including the documentary. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 16:34, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
Link Angel of Death?
Link Palestinians.
Link Judaism and Jews.
"from King Hussein's former stables" Specify he was the king of Jordan.
"Rabbi Amnon Yitzchak " not sure rabbi should be part of the same link as the name. If linked, it should link to the rabbi article.
Link Talmudic study.
"later that saying that he was unwilling" what is the first "that" for?
"Nagar was present at the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, in which 29 people were killed by a far-right Zionist extremist" could name the killer already there after extremist. A but odd to only mention and link him some sentences later.
"and three of their four children." Anything on how the one child died?
Have you watched the documentary? May help find more sources and context.
I have; it's cited a number of times in the article. It's primarily interviews with Nagar himself, so gives some good quotes and context, but doesn't point to any other useful texts etc. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:26, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
"A German-language novelization of his story, Nagars Nacht ("Nagar's Night")" give author and date.
Any more info of his time in the army? What battles and other activities did he participate in?
Details of his "bomb sapper" experience per Economist and Mispacha added. Mention of the Six Day War per Mispacha. Don't seem to be further details available. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 16:56, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
"in which 29 people were killed" should specify they were Palestinians.
" but left after the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre." likewise in the intro, should specify the massacred were Palestinians.
"Nagar immigrated to Israel" could mention in the intro when.
I think the intro could mention the phycological consequences the execution had for Nagar and that it made him religious again.
Citations should be as consistently formatted as possible, but now I see some of them lack author names. Also check for other inconsistencies.
That should be it from me, and I think when these are solved, I could support at FAC. FunkMonk (talk) 13:37, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
@FunkMonk Many thanks for the above. Will work through and ping you when done! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2025 (UTC)