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I could've sworn I edited this back in 22 or 21 before I made an account but there's no record of it. Anyway my reason for saying so is that in Ridge Racers 2 for the PSP, it is said that the girl in Rave Racer is unnamed. Plus to claim that she is Reiko is a stretch since her eyes are blue, her body looks different etc. 
I can't really be bothered to edit it back now and chances are it'll get changed again in the future so I'm setting this stone here. SK9ty1 (talk) 08:11, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately we have sources saying otherwise from the horse's mouth, what you're describing is original research.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:11, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
I took a look at the source, the claim seems to be an assumption from the author and he's unaffiliated with the dev team. My source comes from official material and with my points I think makes more sense. SK9ty1 (talk) 01:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
I was a bit hasty on reading that, I see that Yozo Sakagami spoke on the matter. While that complicates things I'd still contest such a thing as we have two official sources of such conflicting information. Not to mention he was not on the development team of Rave Racer so it's possible this was a generalization or case of forgetfulness on his part, but that's not my place to say. Also Ridge Racers 2 goes out of it's way to claim that they attempted to look for her name but couldn't find any, so their answer seems more confident. SK9ty1 (talk) 02:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
The thing is Retro Gamer, the folks behind the book, are generally seen as some of the best to cite for articles as they do tend to fact check well. While I get some information can get muddled along the way (and it doesn't help that we have two very similarly sounding game names here), we have to cite what the sources are saying. Perhaps possibly adding some mention one source claims she was made for Rage Racer first, but that feels unnecessary.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:24, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
Alright then, I'll put forward my source
Ridge Racers 2 (PSP, 2006)
https://ibb.co/zVMX23nX
"This is the opening movie of the arcade game Rave Racer, released in 1995. Many fans will remember the pink arcade cabinet and the female polygon character. We have searched high and low in our archives to find her name, but it remains shrouded in mystery." SK9ty1 (talk) 04:29, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
I feel like given you were hesitant with showing this, you get that this isn't a particularly strong source. I also don't feel this needs to be nitpicked this hard SK9ty1: we sources saying in plain text she was an unnamed character in one game (which doesn't dispute what the PSP game is saying), and given a name and expanded role in the sequel.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:32, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
The part I take issue is with is "given a name and expanded role in the sequel", since well. it's contentious, and also possibly likely in accordance to Sakagami's quote. I nitpick this hard since as a fan of the series I've seen way too many people mistake other race queens in this series as Reiko, and given the edit history in this article, even before that bit came out that info was on this site, albeit without citation. This is no exception and I don't find the evidence very substantiating given my reasoning. I wasn't really hesitant to put forward my source, I said it from the beginning. I was more lazy with grabbing the screenshot and quote from my PSP since I thought my claims would be taken at face value until a consensus was made where I had to show it. I mean would you take the word of an official game release that was QAd and checked my multiple official staff over that sort of quote in the way it happened knowing it conflicts with that prior source? SK9ty1 (talk) 20:06, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
SK9ty1, I understand being a fan of the series but even you admit this is a nitpick, and yes I'd rather trust a secondary source on this matter. Even the screenshot doesn't contradict much: by that point she was still unnamed. I could see an argument to change it to say "given a name and expanded role in later installments in the franchise, particularly R4: Ridge Racer Type 4." I feel this allows for a smoother read, and some leeway with both sources. But as far as official sourcing we have on hand goes, the Rave Racer incarnation became her and we do have to stick with that as a point of origin.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:19, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
It's a bit better, but even if you wanted to believe it there's no explaining the radical change in design. The girl in Rave Racer couldn't pass as Reiko since she looks totally different aside from her hair and skin colour which is also about half my reasoning and gives more credence to Ridge Racers 2 take on things. You can be technical and say it was never said she wasn't turned into Reiko but in the quote from the game I think it can clearly be gleamed that they would've mentioned this if they saw it true. SK9ty1 (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
That's starting to veer into original research and I'd rather avoid that. I'll change the sentences as mentioned above, but we still have to stick with the sourcing.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
Alright, if you want to stick with facts then Ridge Racers 2 states:
"This is the opening movie of the game Rage Racer, released in 1996. This is the first time the CG character Reiko Nagase made an appearance."
https://ibb.co/39NP85V8
which would give less credence to the thought that she was only un-named in Rave Racer and does state that Rage Racer was her first debut. SK9ty1 (talk) 20:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)