# Talk:WrestleMania XXX

As much as I love Daniel Bryan, isn't there a little too much info on the his road to WrestleMania? There used to be other background info on The Shield vs. The New Age Outlaws & Kane, the Andre the Giant Battle Royal, the Tag Team Championship match, and the Diva match for the Divas Championship. Jedi Striker (talk) 08:08, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, the Bryan storyline is from July to April, so it's long. Other storylines were created one or two months before WM (the Memorial was announced by Hogan and that's all). However, you can include more background. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:10, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Jedi Striker and HHH Pedrigree - when I first started writing PPV articles, I wanted to cover every feud as well. However, I've been advised by WillC, an experienced FA/GA contributor that the storylines section need not cover every single match. If it did, it might be too long and detailed. WillC advised me to focus on the matches that actually sold the PPV, instead of the filler matches. This is actually the case for our featured content. The Great American Bash (2005), FA, only really covered three matches out of nine. Turning Point (2008 wrestling), another FA, covered four out of eight. For WMXXX, it is obvious that it was really a four-match show, two of which involved Bryan and the other two for Taker and Cena. Since Bryan was involved in two matches and had a long buildup since SummerSlam, it makes sense to focus on him. The battle royal received virtually no build other than Hogan announcing it. People wouldn't buy the PPV for Kane and the Outlaws as well. starship.paint ~ regal 02:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Xavier Woods is eliminated by Damien Sandow in the background just after Alberto Del Rio eliminates Santino, it's hard to spot but you can see it.
Sin Cara is eliminated by Alberto Del Rio just slightly off camera with a pump kick when Rey Mysterio is begging with Big Show in the corner, just before Del Rio eliminates Tyson Kidd with an Enziguri.
2.219.21.140 (talk) 03:57, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, but while anyone who watched the PPV could confirm that, it is unfortunate that none of the reliable sources in WP:PW/RS have confirmed that. Therefore, what you posted is original research. I'm sorry. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 11:28, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I think it's pretty ridiculous that anyone with one eye can see when Sin Cara and Woods were eliminated, but because no "official source" has it, it can't be posted.  Tens of thousands of witness, along with video proof, is not good enough????  C'mon.  user talk:RKing85

@RKing85: - I'm afraid that's how Wikipedia works. If no experts said it happened ... then we are going to follow them. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 07:12, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
So if one of these "expert sources" for whatever reason had wrong information, despite the video showing what actually happened, wiki would expect the wrong information to be on the page?  Wiki sucks sometimes.  user talk:Rking85

@RKing85: - actually, no. If it were up to me, I won't mention information I know is wrong. No information is better than wrong information. In this case, there is also no information about Woods and Cara's eliminations. Anyway, even if one reliable source gets it wrong, there are still many other reliable sources. We'll just use the one that gets it right. It's extremely unlikely that everyone will get a certain something wrong. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 23:52, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Actually if you watch carefully, Sin Cara never legally was eliminated. He rolled under the bottom rope and when he stood up on the apron Del Rio kicked him and he fell to the floor. The referees just tell him to leave. But he definitely went under the bottom rope. I put a link directly to the WWE Network. That should be the be-all, end-all of sources.OldSkool01 (talk) 23:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@OldSkool01: - linking directly to the video on the WWE Network doesn't count as a reliable source. It's still original research because you are watching the video and stating your interpretation. We need a reliable source's interpretation telling us that "Woods was eliminated after Santino and before Sandow" and "Sin Cara was eliminated after R-Truth and before Kidd". If WWE.com writes that, then it counts as a reliable source. But the video doesn't count because different people can interpret the same video in different ways. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 03:26, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
That's kind of ridiculous, don't you think? A video of the full match(that is provided by WWE themselves) should be all the proof you need. What if one of the reliable sources(for example) were to watch the match on the Network and report that Big Show was the first guy eliminated, Cesaro was never in the match and Sin Cara really won because he was never eliminated? Every post by a reliable source is obviously their own interpretation. Another question is why are some places considered a reliable source, but others aren't? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to understand why some of these bizarre rules are in place.OldSkool01 (talk) 04:13, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

@OldSkool01: - you see, we have multiple reliable sources. In the unlikely event of one getting something wrong, we still have the rest as a backup to get it right. Some reliable sources (PWTorch/PWInsider/Observer/Dot Net) have a paid subscription service, this serves as an even larger incentive for them to get all their information correct. On what a reliable source is, we're looking for websites with experts (Observer's Meltzer, Torch's Keller) or websites with people who had have history in the industry (PWInsider's editors). The mainstream media, with widely read publications, are also considered as reliable sources (Rolling Stone, Sky Sports, Canoe.ca). What we don't want are "dirt-sheets" (ewrestlingnews) or blog-like websites (Bleacher Report) which report every rumour out there like facts because we have no idea whether these guys are experts. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 05:24, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

As Daniel Bryan was coming out for his match against Roman Reigns at WWE Fastlane, it was mentioned by John Layfield that Jerry Lawler called WM30 this portmanteau, should we make mention of this somewhere? 64.228.89.69 (talk) 17:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Find a reliable source. It's not going in the lede paragraph though. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 23:22, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

The most recent edit at the time of my posting added an incorrect observation about the Taker/Lesnar SummerSlam rematch - stating that the feud had culminated. It hasn't, due to the controversial finish. There will be a blow off match so the edit at the very least needs to be re-written (and sourced of course). 110.148.128.37 (talk) 21:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Now rewritten and sourced. Okay? starship.paint ~ KO 00:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Alfred Konuwa of Bleacher Report wrote "shock doesn't even begin to describe what commenced upon the referee hitting the mat for the third count. As the building filled up with hysteria, and no music playing, I thought the referee may have made a mistake.
"Even after Justin Roberts made the unprecedented announcement, I refused to believe what I had just seen. Judging by the sea of delusional looks on fans in attendance, so did the Superdome." [1]
Akonuwa (talk) 22:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

@Akonuwa: - sorry, Bleacher Report is not a reliable source per WP:PW/RS, as it relies on user-submitted content. It's as reliable as a random blog. Wikipedia wants opinions of experts or at least experienced reviewers, not some random person on the Internet, even if he is a 'Featured Columnist' on Bleacher Report. starship.paint ~ KO 01:17, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

In the Battle Royal, Xavier Woods was eliminated by Damien Sandow at 04:50 (after Santino Marella and  
62.34.97.108 (talk) 21:46, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. /wiae /tlk 04:30, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

After rewatching, regarding the list of the Battle Royal participants note : Xavier Woods was eliminated by Damien Sandow at 04:50 (after Santino Marella), Sin Cara was eliminated by Del Rio at 07:20 (after R Truth and before Tyson Kidd)
62.34.97.108 (talk) 21:48, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Your help is appreciated, but the information can't be added unless a reliable source mentions it. starship.paint ~ KO 09:08, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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