# Talk:Rules of chess

I notice that while the ordered lists display fine in Opera 5.12, in Internet Explorer 5.50 the numbers are simply omitted.  It must have something to do with the left-aligned tables.  Does anyone have any insight into this problem? --Fritzlein

Visited this page to try to get an idea of different typical time controls clubs and tournaments use. Yes I know it varies, but an indication would be informative.


### Rules of chess
Please change the positions of the queens on the board diagram so that the queens are on their own color under the INITIAL SETUP section. Reason: shortly after that diagram the text says to have the queen on her own color and instructs to look at the above diagram but the queens are on the opposite color thus creating confusion and contradiction. Thank you so much for helping this newbie chess player et. al. 174.58.160.178 (talk) 18:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

 Already done The queens are placed correctly, although at first glance I thought it was wrong too. Please see the table matching the symbols to piece names - the queen is the one with multiple spikes on the crown. Jamedeus (talk) 18:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Quale: @Jasper Deng: The Moving the pieces section is about nuances of the touch-move rule, which itself is not applicable in the obvious way to chess played online.  Since I have only had glancing contact with online chess, I don't know if there is some issue in it that is comparable in importance to touch-move; if there is, I would be interested to know, perhaps it is relevant to this article.  I gather that a player castles on some servers by moving the king, and the server moves the rook, and it may be of interest to discuss that somewhere in this article, but it is not directly relevant to this section. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

That's why I didn't mention it. What we need to highlight is that castling is the one case where we need to distinguish between being considered a single move in the sense of a turn or ply, but two in terms of hand movements. The existing wording is misleading because it could imply that castling takes two turns.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Hmm, I see I have been slightly confused; we are not in the Moving the pieces section, we are way earlier.  I think the real problem here is that the sentence "It is not allowed to move both king and rook in the same time ..." does not belong in this section, because we haven't even talked about touch-move, let alone about moving the pieces.  I think it would be OK to just remove that sentence; I'll do it tomorrow if there are no objections. Bruce leverett (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
We're talking about the distinction between the underlying mathematical rules of the game (how the pieces move etc) and the practical rules of the game (touch-move, time controls etc). Stuff related to the touch-move rule and how it applies to castling doesn't belong in the "movement" section. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 08:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
I concur, except that I agree with Bruce that we do not need the sentence they're referring to either, to be clear.--Jasper Deng (talk) 15:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

It used to be acceptable for Black to move first. In fact Anderssen was probably playing with the black pieces in the Immortal Game. There were variations in castling rules depending on where you lived. En passant wasn't used in Italy. It used to be normal practice to announce both check and queen attack. The threefold repetition rule wasn't clearly defined. A loophole which problemists sometimes exploited was that it was technically legal to promote to a piece of the opposite colour. Staugaard castling may have been technically legal according to some rules. The rules weren't really fully standardized until FIDE took over in the late 1940s. Perhaps we need to include some of this stuff in the article. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Readers/editors are always bringing this stuff up, so it must be worth mentioning, but as you know, getting hold of reliable sources for information about when the rules changed in such-and-such a way can be problematic. Bruce leverett (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
I think so too.  There is some history of these rules somewhere.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)