# Talk:World Trade Center (2001–present)

There is a typo in the article name. It uses a hyphen but it should use a dash: World Trade Center (2001–present). See WP:MOSDASH. This also makes it inconsistent with World Trade Center (1973–2001), which uses a dash. Kendall-K1 (talk) 14:48, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I made the request an hour ago. It was  Already done by Philg88. Epic Genius (talk) 16:04, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
You guys are fast! Kendall-K1 (talk) 16:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Sometimes.   Philg88 ♦talk 16:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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So, has anyone else noticed that they have a 7 WTC, but no 6 WTC? At least, not listed in the article.
Is there a specific reason for not including a 6 WTC in the rebuilding plans? This should be mentioned in the article.
--98.122.20.56 (talk) 16:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I've made several changes to World Trade Center (2001–present)#Structures table here and here, which fixed sorting in the table.


### Primer for future date maintenance
...Because the Structures table has been transcluded into other articles.
Sortable headers with dates now contain data-sort-type="isoDate", given that all cells with dates are already prepended with data-sort-value parameters. Replacing "date" with "isoDate" made sorting functional (in Firefox).
All cells with data-sort-value parametres must use the full ISO date, such as:

data-sort-value="2016-01-01"
In my experience with this table, leaving even one cell with only a year, or a year and a month (without a day) into data-sort-value made the column unsortable.
As isoDate is set as the data-sort-type in row headers, then date cells should avoid data-sort-value="NA" or anything else that is not an ISO date, as textual data misplaces the row relative to other rows.
Some date values are moving targets:

For items to be completed this year, use the current date.
For items that have a projected non-current year of completion, use January 1st of that year:
data-sort-value="2017-01-01"
Past that date, rely on news outlets to learn when a project is to be complete, and change the values accordingly.
For future items with an unknown year of construction or completion, use 1 January 2100, which will position the row below all others:
data-sort-value="2100-01-01"
These are all N/A or TBA/TBD items, which can variably use templates that affect cell formatting. To avoid code issues, place data-sort-value="2100-01-01" before {{N/a|TBA}} code, as in this example:
data-sort-value="2100-01-01" {{N/a|TBA}}
That's because the pipe | is not used in wikicode, as its corresponding page code is already in the {{N/a}} template.
-Mardus /talk 01:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


### Date maintenance update
Formatting update: In date cells with data-sort-value="2011-01-01", do not use {{N/a}}, TBA/TBD, or like templates, because they override the data-sort-value parameter; when sorting in ascending order from top to bottom, the 5 World Trade Center row with the {{N/a}} tag in the "Date completed" cell is placed to top of the table, when it should be at the bottom. For this reason, I've created a similar-looking manual style for that particular cell with an added in-code comment asking not to use the {{N/a}} template. -Mardus /talk 15:43, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Call it 9/11 Sausagea1000 (talk) 19:42, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

No, the correct link is as I corrected the note. Please stop edit warring. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 19:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

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I noticed that there were a couple of images in the "Construction" section table were non-free and should be removed per WP:NFTABLE: File:2 WTC HeroShot Image by BIG.jpg and File:WTC 5.jpg. I would've done it myself but my wiki-expertise isn't strong here and need help (apologies to @David J Johnson: for not providing more explanation). Thanks. Ytoyoda (talk) 16:10, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

But both images have been released by the copyright holder(s). David J Johnson (talk) 16:13, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm confused - are they both not copyrighted images? They've been released to the press, but I don't see any evidence that they're int he public domain. Ytoyoda (talk) 16:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Simple. Read the release wording on the image page, they have been released to Wikipedia. Case closed. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 16:40, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm rereading the image description and nowhere does it say that the images are "released to Wikipedia". For the 2WTC image, the description reads:
Released by the developer to promote his/her product. This image is a promotional image from Silverstein Properties. 
For the 5WTC image, the description reads:
Released by the architect to promote his/her product.
Neither description states that the images are released specifically to Wikipedia and/or released from copyright. And if they're actually released in the way that you describe, they'd have OTRS tickets. This doesn't appear to be the case.
Obviously, the images are "released" in the general sense - why would an architect create a rendering of a building and not release it to the public? That doesn't mean they're not copyrighted images. As long as they're licensed as non-free images, WP:NFTABLE still applies. Ytoyoda (talk) 16:48, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

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I know we had a discussion a while ago, which resulted in the Old and New World Trade Center being split, but what would you think about having more natural titles for the articles? CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀  01:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

In World Trade Center (2001–present)#Structures, I've removed paddings from cells containing images, thereby reducing overall table width a little bit. Using the Firefox web inspector (in Windows xp), I got the following table widths for optimal viewing —
In the desktop version, the table is viewable at these minimum viewport widths:

802px with the Monobook skin
859px with the Vector skin.
As the Monobook skin is non-default, it can be selected in user preferences, and applies only when logged in. With it, the desktop version of the table is thus viewable at 800x600px screen resolutions, or with displays that have the same pixel width.
In the mobile version, the minimum viewport width must be:

717 pixels with the Minerva skin.
This should acommodate mobile screens that have the minimum width or height that exceeds this pixel width.
The upside with the mobile site is, that tables can be scrolled, or, rather, swiped from right to left, so I assume a working overflow rule.
As it is, the default mobile skin is called Minerva. I don't know, if there are any other mobile Wikipedia skins than that. -Mardus /talk 09:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@CapLiber: What's wrong with including Brookfield Place in the caption? I'd think that including the caption would clarify that Brookfield Place isn't in WTC especially for readers who aren't from the NYC area. By contrast, excluding Brookfield Place might insinuate that Brookfield Place is part of WTC, or at the very least, make readers confused about what it is. epicgenius (talk) 02:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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9.11 Memorial Wide Angle.jpg
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The main image on this page as of October 10, 2021 has three issues with it.
1. 4 WTC and 5 WTC (site) are not visible in the picture.
2. 3 WTC was not complete when this picture was taken (in 2016). It was completed in 2018.
3. This is based on issue 1. It is inconsistent with World Trade Center (1973-2001) because the image over there has all 7 building partially visible.
To fix these issues, there should be an updated picture from late 2018 - 2021 which partially shows all 4 completed buildings and 2 building sites. 
I don’t know all the copyright stuff, so can somebody else do it for me? Vamsi20 (talk) 17:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

In the first sentence of the article, the World Trade Center is described as being located "in the Lower Manhattan neighborhood of New York City, U.S."  This is incorrect.  "Lower Manhattan" is not a neighborhood, but is a vast swath of Manhattan south of 14th Street.  There are many neighborhoods in Lower Manhattan, including the Financial District, the home of the World Trade Center.  
In the article "World Trade Center (1973–2001)", a better phrase is used, and describes the location as "in the Financial District of Lower Manhattan, New York City, United States."  This writing is much more accurate.  Could we have that same wording used in this article? Deliciousnachos987654 (talk) 00:37, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Bump Deliciousnachos987654 (talk) 06:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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