# Talk:University of Dayton Ghetto

This article has been an ongoing project of mine for quite a while now, and I'd like to have it reassessed by an outside editor. If it hasn't yet reached GA status, I would appreciate feedback on how it can be improved. I've exhausted the earlier suggestions in the peer review, and I think I've got it up to GA. Thanks. Newsboy85 (talk) 07:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Not the GA review you're looking for, but you might want to convert the references to use citation templates. The auto-review picked up:"As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between." as well. §hep  •  Talk 01:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't find any instances of the footnotes thing. As for the formatting on the references, I'll take a look. Newsboy85 (talk) 01:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
"Oakwood neighborhood" links to an article about the city, not a neighborhood. Is it north of a neighborhood in Oakwood? Or is it just a bad link? §hep  •  Talk 01:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Oakwood is a suburb of Dayton - it is contiguous to the city proper. "Neighborhood" may not have been the best word choice. City of Oakwood is fine. Thanks for the extra set of eyes on the entry. Newsboy85 (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
If the commas follow British English, then the article should use British spelling as well. §hep  •  Talk 02:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Also, would it be best to use hectares in the acre conversion over meters? §hep  •  Talk 02:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
The commas, and the article, follow American English. Commas should always go inside the quotes in American Engish, in all circumstances. One of your edits moved them outside. 64.123.246.100 (talk) 03:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
That must be a script error I'll have to reprt then. I could have sworn when editing that section I clicked AE. I didn't check to see what your edit did (or in all honesty the original change) so I assumed it was back to ", which means my last edit to the article was FUBAR. Now that that's out of the way (sorry), what do you think about using hectares? §hep  •  Talk 03:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The conversions were bot-added a while back. Honestly, I'm a fan of the metric system, and I don't know how many people think in hectares anymore. Newsboy85 (talk) 03:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I always thought of the meter as more of a length measurement and hectare the metric equivalent to acre. Either way, I guess it's not a very pressing matter. §hep  •  Talk 04:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
You also might want to consider archiving the ELs with WebCite; if you decide to use citation templates. §hepTalk 22:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:University of Dayton Ghetto/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
This is how the article, as of February 13, 2009, compares against the  six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: (Pending) Pass
You only need citations in the lead for controversial facts (see WP:LEADCITE)—the actual citation should follow in the body somewhere when the fact is repeated, since the lead is a summary of the body of the article.
Unnecessary citation removed. Second paragrah was moved lower in the text, as it didn't fit this definition of a lead. I wrote a new summary paragraph to replace it.
"...included only four streets – Lowes..." → "...included only four streets: Lowes..."
Done.
Not sure "endowed" is the best word here: "Some houses in the neighborhood have been informally endowed with nicknames..."
Done.
See also section is not needed since the two links are already linked in the text of the article
Done.
This isn't necessary for GAN, but the references would be readable if rendered in consistent format (e.g., {{cite web}}).
Cite web has been applied. I hadn't used it before, so it was good to learn anyway.
2. Factually accurate?: --Eustress (talk) 23:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)(Pending) Pass
A couple of the citations have the same titles even though they direct to different websites. Be sure to use precise titles; e.g., Ref#11 is titled "UD Housing website" when the actual website title is "Junior/Senior Lottery Position."
Done. The references for sepcific houses in the university search system have been collapsed together because the system doesn't allow linking to a specific result. The references are included because the pictures of those houses include signs on which the names are visible.
3. Broad in coverage?: Pass
4. Neutral point of view?: (Pending) Pass
ALL information relies on UDayton sources, which is unacceptable in ensuring NPOV via reliable sources.
Flyer News is not controlled by the university, though it is a university organization. While USA Today, The Dayton Daily News and The Miami Student have all done articles about various aspects of the Ghetto, none of them are directly applicable to the article. There was discussion about this in the past (now archived). Still, I'll throw in the citation from USA Today, which at least establishes some of the basic facts in an article about a specific incident in the Ghetto.
Okay, but more heterogeneity of sources is preferred to help establish notability too. --Eustress (talk) 23:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images?: (Pending) Pass
Per WP:CAP, captions only terminate with a period if a complete sentence.
Done.
Per WP:CAP, all captions should be more succinct
Done.
In its current condition, I will put the article on hold for seven days. Please notify me on my talk page when the article is ready for another look-through, and please respond directly to each bulleted item to aid me in reappraising the article. Best regards --Eustress (talk) 01:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. I'm out of town right now but will take care of these ASAP, within the seven-day period. Newsboy85 (talk) 07:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on this! Newsboy85 (talk) 21:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

With the references now formatted correctly, a few other issues stood out, as noted above. --Eustress (talk) 21:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm on it. Give me a little bit. Newsboy85 (talk) 22:02, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Done and done. Newsboy85 (talk) 22:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for you work on the issues above. The result of this GAN is pass. Congratulations! --Eustress (talk) 23:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your time and your help! Newsboy85 (talk) 23:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

This article exclusively cites university press releases and the student paper. Does it have actual coverage outside of the local vicinity? Moreover, is the title a phrase widely used by all media sources? It appears blatantly POV if only the student papers use the name and we use it for an encyclopedia article. czar ♔ 00:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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