# Talk:Peasants' revolt in Palestine

It was destroyed in this year by Ibrahim Pasha for an attempted murder on him, according to the Bethlehem Municipality's general history of the city - which is reliable. I assume it's related to the revolt, but I want to make sure before adding it to the article. So is it cool? --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not in love with the beginning text. It feels a little awkward and could use some rephrasing IMHO. Cheers for the good efforts, JaakobouChalk Talk 22:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
who says that they were not called palestinians??? any references???? All Arab history books used to call people living there as palestinians 87.101.195.108 (talk) 02:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Just passing through here but please note that this section is not consistent with main article on the subject.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.115.105.230 (talk) 15:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC) 

I was surprised that this article was entirely filled with mentions of the Khiedevate, even though its official status was given in 1867, some 23 years after the revolt. It arose a strong feeling of anachronism, and thus i changed Khiedeve to "Egypt under Muhammad Ali" in most instances. Am i wrong?GreyShark (dibra) 23:06, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Didn't notice that the Khedivate was officially established in 1867. The Rood source, which I referred to frequently, used "Khedivate" and "Khedival" so I just figured that was the right term. My intention was to be more specific than "Egyptian" but if there isn't an accurate alternative (and simple) then no big deal. --Al Ameer (talk) 02:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, my remark was regarded by Al Ameer with antagonism, but without proper attempt to understand that Palestine doesn't cover all revolt areas. Keeping "Palestine" in the current title will force us to split the Druze revolt in Galilee and Hauran (with Galilee perhaps disputed, but Hauran is certainly not "Palestine") and the Alawite revolt on Syrian coast from this article. Since both of those revolts are poorly described here i guess it is not problem at current form. I shall implement, but my previous opinion stands that all 3 revolts should have been under one article (Nablus and Jerusalem revolt, Galilee and Hauran revolt and the Syrian coast revolt).GreyShark (dibra) 15:35, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Manna mentions a Greek monk who made an eyewitness account of the events, and they were published in 1938. The reference is now in the article: Spyridon, 1938, "Annals of Palestine 1821-1841".
The events of year 1834 starts on Spyridon, 1938, p. 86.
Unfortunately, the page-numbering is messed up: you have to search a bit back and forward, Huldra (talk) 17:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

@Huldra: Thanks Huldra, I was actually looking for this. Do you know if Asad Rustum's 1938 book The Royal Archives of Egypt and the Disturbances in Palestine, 1834 is also accessible? That source is a treasure trove. --Al Ameer (talk) 17:44, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
I looked for it, but could´t find it, not at archive,  Huldra (talk) 17:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

The problem with the Robinson and Smith 3 volume 1841 set of book is that they came in one zillion editions. And authors had access to different  editions, typically with different page-numbering. 
Now, since today all the 3 original volumes from 1841 now are on the net, I think we should  try to stick to those. (They didn´t really change the text in later edition, AFAIK, only the page numbering)
So far, in this article, I have been unable to identify the originals of "Robinson, 1856, p. 88."  "Robinson, 1856, p. 482." and Smith and Kiepert, p. 93.  Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

I reverted the recent change of the article's current name to Peasants' Revolt of 1834 because the current title had been reached as part of a compromise several months ago. It was not the best compromise and unfortunately there was not much participation in the discussion as I had hoped for. I am more than happy to participate in a new discussion on the article's name if one is started. From my understanding of the sources, this revolt was notable for taking place across all of Palestine (the region) and despite its fame for being a "peasants' revolt", it included wide participation by all of the segments of Palestine's inhabitants i.e. the urban notables, the peasants (incl. some Christians), and the nomads. The sources don't consistently use a formal name for the revolt, but nearly all emphasize it was known as the "Peasants (or Fellaheen) Revolt". Of course, there were hundreds of peasant revolts throughout history so that name on its own would not suffice. --Al Ameer (talk) 00:34, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

@Arminden: Just to be clear, the source (Judith Mendelsohn Rood) says on 19 May, the people of Silwan pointed out “an abandoned sewer” (undoubtedly Hezekiah's Tunnel). It would be original research to insist that it was not Hezekiah's tunnel unless a source could be provided that says otherwise. --Al Ameer (talk) 18:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@Al Ameer son: Just to be clear: I don't give a rotten whatever neither on all-too-obvious BS, published or rumoured, nor on WP regulations supporting the notion that light is night and dark is day unless proven otherwise by a written source. Hezekiah's Tunnel does not come anywhere near the city walls as built in the 1530s by Suleiman the Magnificent and unchanged ever since. What this Ms Mendelsohn Rood wrote is either due to carelessness, or to much worse. Having gross mistakes like this in the article is like placing Al-Aksa in the Kidron Valley and the Wailing Wall up on Mount Olivet. If that's what you like, go ahead, that would be far too silly and diminishing to fight against. Arminden (talk) 23:44, 6 December 2015 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 23:44, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@Arminden: No need to get up in arms here, just pointing out that what I added in the past was supported by the source and that dismissing sourced information because it conflicts with your personal knowledge constitutes original research. I'm not going to revert you though because your argument seems to be a commonsense one (I'm not so silly as to ignore commonsense). Moreover, Rood's assertion that the "abandoned sewer" tunnel of Silwan that is mentioned by the primary source is "undoubtedly Hezekiah's Tunnel" could be a mistaken assumption on her part. --Al Ameer (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: Thanks, that's wonderful, common sense is always a good start :-) Sorry if I got too carried away, there are narrow limits to what I can take in good spirits when it comes to contests "reality vs. regulations". Cheers.Arminden (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2015 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

A portion of this article Peasants' revolt in Palestine article was copied to Siege of Al-Karak (1834).  Contributors may be found in this article's history.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Um what? How? nableezy - 17:23, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

 "By the 20th century, the revolt was largely absent in the Palestinian collective memory, from which "the humiliating and traumatic events" were "conveniently erased", according to Israeli historian Baruch Kimmerling. However, Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal state that the revolt was a formative event for the Palestinian sense of nationhood in that it brought together disparate groups against a common enemy. Moreover, they asserted that these groups reemerged later to constitute the Palestinian people. The revolt represented a moment of political unity in Palestine. "  Take the time to read the article you are editing. Inf-in MD (talk) 18:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)And that makes you think the article on an uprising against Muhammad Ali Pasha before the British Mandate, before the Balfour declaration, before anything regarding the modern state of Israel, before  Theodor Herzl was even born, is in the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area? No, dont think so. nableezy - 21:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
At most that single paragraph is related, and as such Ive modified the banner. Ill be asking for admin review on if its appropriate at all. nableezy - 21:13, 28 November 2021 (UTC)