# Talk:Stephen III of Hungary

The citations for the expanded family tree can be found in the Wikipedia articles for the relevant people. My understanding is that these family trees don't require individual citations for everyone on them -- if they did, there wouldn't be a single one on Wikipedia, to be honest. --Jfruh (talk) 04:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

WP is not a reliable source for WP purposes. A family tree which cannot be verified qualifies as OR. Please do not remove the templates, but try to fix the problem (to find and cite a reliable source). Borsoka (talk) 05:17, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Good luck fixing literally hundreds of family trees on Wikipedia! --Jfruh (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes, there are millions of problems to be fixed on WP. Actually, I have fixed in about 30 articles the same problem. Have a nice day! :) Borsoka (talk) 06:10, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

What am I missing, Borsoka? If I understand correctly, Stephen III ascended in 1162 and was deposed in 1162 by Ladislaus II, who was succeeded by Stephen IV, whom Stephen III deposed in 1165, right? The crown did not pass smoothly from Géza II to Stephen III to Béla III, did it? Surtsicna (talk) 07:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, the major part of the country was ruled by Stephen III's uncles, but Stephen III was regarded the lawful king by many Hungarians (including the archbishop of Esztergom). I could not cite a list of the kings of Hungary from reliable sources which does not say that Stephen III ruled from 1162 to 1172. Borsoka (talk) 07:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I see. How do Ladislaus II and Stephen IV usually appear in the lists? It sounds odd, though. Stephen III controlled only bits of the country from 1162 to 1165, yet sources say that he ruled Hungary from 1162 to 1172 uninterrupted? Surtsicna (talk) 20:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Ladislaus II and Stephen IV are regarded as anti-kings. --Norden1990 (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
However, when listing the kings of Hungary sources say, Stephen III was king from 1162 to 1172, Ladisalus II from 1162 to 1163, and Stephen IV from 1163 to 1165. (For instance, Engel, Pál (2001). The Realm of St Stephen: A History of Medieval Hungary, 895–1526. I.B. Tauris Publishers. pp. 441, 448. ISBN 1-86064-061-3.; Kontler, László (1999). Millennium in Central Europe: A History of Hungary. Atlantisz Publishing House. pp. 521, 532. ISBN 963-9165-37-9..) Borsoka (talk) 03:26, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Very interesting, but in the other similar case in the early 14th century, the majority of Hungarian historiography uses other method: Wenceslaus (1301-05), Otto (1305-1307), Charles I (1308-42), desite that fact that Charles already styled himself as King in 1301. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)