# Talk:Rudolf Wanderone

If he hinted at having been born as early as 1900, a New York State Census (1925, behind a paywall) shows a "Rudolf J. Wanderone" aged 12. This is the only person identified as having such a name born in New York State. Some obituaries show him born on 19 January 1900 and some show him born on 19 January 1913. It is highly unlikely that anyone could be 25 and look 12.
Not behind a paywall, he is shown in the US Census as a cashier at a billiard parlor at the age 27 at the Arlington Hotel in Shreveport, Caddo County, Louisiana.  Pbrower2a (talk) 04:23, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

 

User:Hag2 graciously responded to the article's second request for peer review and did a big copy-editing job on it. I also added some new (sourced) information and an image. Previous issues with how to handle the filmography and bibliography settled (the material was merged back in to the main prose). Aside from various missing material (Wanderone's time in Chicago, what exactly he did to get the BCA Hall of Fame induction, the irony of it given his hatred of the BCA – not even mentioned in the article yet – etc.), this is getting very close to a good Featured Article candidate. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 11:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I noticed your peer review comments.
Although it is difficult to judge an article when the primary editors feel that there is still more to add, I believe that I can say safely that your current version is far superior to all previous versions.  Interspercing bibliographic and filmography details within your prose seems to be a much more pleasing way to read those details than to have them separated into their own categories.  I was able to read from a very well-written lead to a powerful conclusion without feeling as if your article lacked anything.  Yet, now that I  have discovered (above) that there is still material to present, I can not evaluate an article in good conscience until you feel comfortable with the total input yourself.  It surprises me that a principal editor would present an article for review which contained such a powerful conclusion and which was based upon an uncited source!  Surely you must have a reliable, verifiable, and credible author for that Lincoln limousine story, yes?
I elected to use your talkpage for my comments due to those confusing, hidden remark instructions in the peer review copy-edit box: "--Please do not use level 1-3 section headings or horizontal rules in this peer review. Please do not include any images, such as done/not done templates with tick/cross graphics, and do not paste in semi-automated peer reviews below: link to them instead. Peer review pages should not be moved." Anne Teedham (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Phooey.  I waited over a month for the principal editors to do something about that missing citation for the Cadillac.  So I found you a reference using the nl.newsbank.com.  Note: You will need to use "Minnesota Fats" (in the first line) AND "King of Pool" (in the second line) as search criteria, AND date-seeking "1979 to 1983". Anne Teedham (talk) 14:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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The article makes a point of noting "However, there is no published evidence of such a relationship"; whilst I understand what point is being made here (i.e., there's absolutely no support for this save Etta James's own account), what "published evidence" was/ is likely to exist for what was no doubt a (very) short-lived relationship between Wanderone and James's mother? It's not likely any of the people James refers to as "there and ought to know" would happen to have written a book about- or even briefly addressing- the subject, after all. It just seems that, given the article's already extremely circumspect on James's claim, the sentence highlighted above seems out of place, particularly given the circumstances involved.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.68.40 (talk) 02:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC) 

Wanderone, who was sometimes known by the nickname "New York Fats" in his role as a pool player,[4] adopted the nickname "Minnesota Fats" from the character of that name in the 1961 film The Hustler, falsely claiming that the character, played by Jackie Gleason, was based upon him.[4]
However, Derek Kirunchyk researched this matter thoroughly by examining the pages of Tevis' original manuscript and discovered for nearly 60 years, ever since the release of The Hustler, that those who follow the sport widely assumed that Wanderone had lied about his own provenance, but Telvis changed the character's nickname from "New York" to "Minnesota" in one of the original manuscript pages, which supports Wanderone's claim that he was, in fact, the Minnesota Fats in the novel.[18]
There is a good probability that the character, played by Jackie Gleason, was, in fact, based on Rudolf Wanderone. It is probable that Tevis is denying that the character is based upon Rudolf Wanderone so they do not have to pay Rudolf Waderone rights to use him for the character.Easeltine (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2021 (UTC)