# Talk:WonderSwan

Added redirect from SwanCrystal. Consider moving this page there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pellucidity (talk • contribs) 

A request was made to WP:VG/A for an assessment. I've left the rating as is; stub-class mid importance, as the article has several problems despite its short length. Some suggestions:

Only the GamePro source is reliable, the other two are user-contributed and cannot be used as sources.
The article is already marked for original research in one place, there's also some weasel words.
It needs expanding, and some good sources are going to be needed to do that.
Hope that helps. Someoneanother 22:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Um . . . picture anyone? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yeloow (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Why on earth does the thing request bloodtype? 86.132.141.215 03:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

How else will it tell you your horoscope? ;) Jtrainor 00:29, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Touche.Tejsiofjdoij (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
In addition, blood types play a special role in Japanese culture, and the WonderSwan was developed by Bandai. See Blood types in Japanese culture for further details. 88.104.151.185 (talk) 16:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I played the WSC port of Final Fantasy IV and realized that the sounds were primitive compared to the original SNES, almost 8-bit sounding. 75.107.170.147 (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Might as well merge the two articles since there is only one or two sentences to describe the wonderborg.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.223.11.12 (talk) 18:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC) 

When did it go OUT of production?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.142 (talk) 08:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC) 

How much did it cost? 88.68.210.111 (talk) 21:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't it a fifth generation console? WonderSwam Color is indeed a sixth generation one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.1.171.212 (talk) 22:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC) 

K-tai Impress

Famitsu
Wonderswan - Wonderswan Color
Wonderswan Color
SwanCrystal
SwanCrystal
Wonderswan - Wonderswan Color - SwanCrystal - Wonderwitch
-- Lucia Black (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Bundles
Wonderswan no Fushigi na Dungeon - Chocobo
Wonderswan Color - Final Fantasy I
Wonderswan Color - Final Fantasy II
Wonderswan Color - RX-78-2 GUNDAM and MS-06S ZAKU II
Wonderswan Color - MSVG
Launch Titles

WonderSwan Color
-- Lucia Black (talk) 08:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I was wondering on where should we start on finding information. i'm very new to looking up information on video game consoles, especially with a japanese-only console from the late 90s. I'm currently looking for any coverage in famitsu, but i'm not sure if there are other gaming Japanese game magazines that might have coverage on this. Especially when theres 3 versions, one might be considered "next-gen". Lucia Black (talk) 05:04, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Famitsu will definitely be helpful, although I can't read or translate Japanese.  It would likely be the closest thing to a period-based source we would have access to.  Retro Gamer and IGN would also be great sources, and I see we have some linked already.  A big key pointer to me with referencing when doing these console articles is to milk the sources for all they're worth and use as much as possible from each.  These articles also tend to have some retrospective feedback, which would assist with reception.  Sales and relative market share could also be talked about here, as it reflects on a console's reception, or that info could be plugged into the end of the history with ease.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 16:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. I'll look into the Retro Gamer article that was given to me to see if i missed any particular information. Or perhaps i can send you the pdf. to you so that theres no chance of missing information. Lucia Black (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
If you've got it and can send it to me, that'd be great.  I've been pretty thorough with taking everything from them before; Sega Game Gear and Sega Nomad come across to me as examples with short Retro Gamer articles that I had to use all it had.  I'd like to suggest an article structure as well.  In principle, I've found in video game console articles that there are four key sections to any console article:
History
Technical specs
Game library
Reception and legacy
Already, this article has most of that basic structure in place.  It's only missing a game library and some condensation of tech specs and accessories.  It's also proven tried and true for me before that such specs are better handled as prose than as tables or bulleted lists; what might your thoughts be on this, Lucia?  As I know we've butted heads before, I'd like to make sure you'll be good with any major changes I'd like to make to the article's structure before I begin implementation.  In this case, it's been the same structure I've used in almost all of my FAs and GAs, and it's worked quite well, and I believe will work pretty well here too.  As need be as part of that, some subsections can be assembled (i.e. if there's a bunch of information on the three different models of the console, we can do a models subsection similar to Sega CD or even a full section as in Sega Genesis).  Red Phoenix let's talk... 03:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Send me an e-mail so that i can respond back with the attached file. I'm not worried about any conflict. i did ask for help, and i'm not really trying to push for a specific direction, i just want the article to get some proper coverage.
The table was already there when i took interest in the article, but looking at some of the information repeats and not necessary to have in a table format. In fact, some of these aspects aren't even technical specifications. So if its possible to condense it in prose and comprehensible, then that would be better. I don't think we'll find too many variations of the WonderSwan, so i'll assume models subsection similar to Sega CD will work. Lucia Black (talk) 03:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

ON a lighter note, i've seen better WonderSwan model images in other areas. I feel like this particular one doesn't do much justice. I think we should consider replacing it later on. Lucia Black (talk) 03:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like I've found it on the internet, so I've got the Retro Gamer issue now to review.  I can definitely see some potential here; the Top Ten games section will help with making a game library section and it looks like it's got a great bit of history here.  I actually find this interesting because before this was suggested to me, I had never heard of the WonderSwan before.  It's got some reception as well, although reception should definitely have more.  I'm excited; this should actually prove to be rather fruitful.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 15:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey Lucia, I'm going to go ahead and get started.  The {{underconstruction}} template is up; hopefully I'll have a good looking prototype done here in a few hours.  Reversions can always be done if it doesn't shake out.  If you can find another free image of the WonderSwan that does it more justice, that would be great.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 17:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Correction: something's come up, it may take a while.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 17:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I'll be looking for an image. Its ok. i'll continue to look for more info. Lucia Black (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


### Some images
[1][2][3][4][5][6]
--I'm not familiar with free images but hopefully one of these qualify. Lucia Black (talk) 09:40, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Probably not, I hate to say.  When you take an image, you own the copyright to that image automatically, so the copyrights to these images all belong to their respective photographers.  The way they would not is if the photographer released the image under a Creative Commons license, GNU license, or into the public domain, which happens rarely.  That being said, it's certainly possible to contact one, obtain permission or statement of release under such a license, and upload it with a valid OTRS.  Of course, if you happen to have a WonderSwan and take pictures of it yourself, you own the copyright and can then release it yourself under the appropriate license.
On another note: I've requested access to HighBeam, which if approved should provide a wealth of period-based newspaper sources that should help in sourcing this article properly.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 16:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I know y'all were working on this recently. Here's a new USgamer feature that should be helpful: http://www.usgamer.net/articles/a-look-at-game-boys-true-successor-gunpei-yokois-wonderswan czar ♔ 18:06, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Still am as I find time; I've been on vacation and away from home the past week.  Thanks for the source; I'm sure Lucia and I will put it to good use.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 18:21, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:WonderSwan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Indrian (talk · contribs) 19:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Always nice to see a video game hardware article nom from Red Phoenix.  I'll be happy to give this one a look. Indrian (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Deja vu, eh, Indrian?  I'd like to note before you get started that it's likely I won't be the only one responding to this review as Lucia Black has also been hard at work with this article, and this nomination is a co-nomination with her.  You might get some responses from each of us.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 23:51, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I did not realize it was a co-nomination.  I look forward to working with Lucia Black as well.  I think we are in good shape overall, but there are definately some tweaks needed, which I outline below. Indrian (talk) 00:04, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


### Lead and Infobox
 Done So right off the bat, the one major problem I see is the conflation of the WonderSwan as a line of products and the WonderSwan as the first iteration of that line of products.  The infobox gives the retail availability date for the original WonderSwan, but not the WonderSwan Color or WonderSwan Crystal.  It gives the price for the first two systems, but not the final system.  It gives total sales for the entire line, but not for the individual systems (the two Retro Gamer articles do provide some figures for the original WonderSwan and the WonderSwan Color, so this is not due to a lack of available figures).  A discontinuation date is given for the entire line, but not for the individual units.  The picture in the infobox features only the original WonderSwan, while precedent at FA articles like Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo Entertainment System appears to indicate that all prominent variations should be equally represented in the infobox graphic.
Yeah, I missed the figures... somehow.  I fear I'm rushing again; thank you for catching those. I hadn't found a price for SwanCrystal; it looks like Lucia found it, and then I found another using HighBeam.  I think we have this all fixed unless I'm missing something.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 01:19, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, this looks much better now, thanks. Indrian (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 Done In the same vein, the lead uses the term "WonderSwan" interchangeably as well without differentiating between the original system and the line.  For example, the article starts by identifying the WonderSwan as a "handheld line," but then later refers to the "WonderSwan and its two later models" without explaining that the WonderSwan is also the name of the first system in the line.  Likewise, in the second paragraph, the article discusses the WonderSwan's competition, but this is really about the original system and not the entire line, as the Color and Crystal competed against the Game Boy Advance.  The info itself is fine, but the lead needs to make it clear when it is discussing the WonderSwan handheld line as a whole and the original WonderSwan handheld.
I gave it a glazing over; it looks better now.  What do you think?  Red Phoenix let's talk... 01:20, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I tweaked the language as well and changed the mix of third-party companies to better highlight those most prominently featured in the sources.  I think it looks fine now. Indrian (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 Done Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes states that information in the infobox need not be cited if it is cited in the article itself.  Therefore, you do not need to cite the sales data in the infobox.
Remnant of the old style before I touched it.  Fixed now.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 01:19, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


### History
 Done I know you like to give a little historical background to ease into a subject, which is fine, but this one misses the mark a bit.  As written, it implies that Bandai was exclusively a model vehicle maker until it decided to branch out into LCD games in the 1970s.  On the contrary, Bandai became a major toy company in the 1960s when it initiated its strategy of funding children's television programming and then creating action figures based on the programs.  Handhelds became another extension of this licensing business, and the company also became a prominent video game hardware company as well in the late 1970s and early 1980s, releasing its own dedicated consoles and importing the Intellivision.  Not all of that need go in this article, of course, but the implication that it was only a model maker until the 1970s is misleading.
Not to bug you so much, but do you have a source for this?  It would really help; I can't really find anything that's helping me with this.  I even took a skim through HighBeam Research and haven't found a lot to help me here.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 01:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
No problem, I'll get to this shortly.  I'll basically change it to say that they became a major toy company in the 1960s on the back of licenses, entered the LCD and dedicated console markets in the 1970s, and sporadically released video game hardware in the 1980s and 1990s (Intellivision, Pippin, etc.) all with proper sourcing. Indrian (talk) 15:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I have fleshed out the history of the company a little bit. Indrian (talk) 00:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 Done I know you took this straight from the Retro Gamer article, but the Sega-Bandai merger was not a "rumor."  The merger was a done deal that was widely reported in the media, but Bandai's shareholders revolted and the merger had to be called off.  The presidents of both Bandai and Sega were forced to resign over the shame of failing to complete the deal.
Got it.  Thank you, new HighBeam account :)  Red Phoenix let's talk... 01:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


### Technical Specifications
 Done So I know that with the relative scarcity of information on the WonderSwan its hard to balance info to make sure every section is meaty enough to stand well on its own, but there is some major duplication between the history and technical specification sections.  The history section goes into detail about the number of colors and increased RAM in the WonderSwan Color and the improved LCD screen of the Crystal, and then that same info is covered in this section.  The redundancy should be eliminated. I am interested in your thoughts as well, but from my perspective the history section should be concerned with release dates, prices, and performance in the marketplace, while the technical details should be reserved for this section.
Perhaps we can give a summarized, less detail explanation of the key differences without mentioning the technical specifications? I'm also considering moving the color models into history, as thats not very "technical" about them. Lucia Black (talk) 15:16, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
It looks better in the history now.  Do we have it streamlined well enough now?  Red Phoenix let's talk... 01:22, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I did some substantial rewriting of the history section to improve flow and incorporated the casing color info in that section as Lucia suggested, as I agree these are not really technical specs.  I think that solves the problem.  If either of you have any problems with my rewrites, please let me know here, as I did change a fair amount. Indrian (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
The fact that the Wonderswan only played sampled waveforms, instead of having a more typical sound generator, seems like worth mentioning IMO. This set it appart from all the other handhelds to that date (except the Lynx), and it allowed for a very unique port of beatmania that used the same sounds as the far more powerful arcade machine. I think this was reliably quoted before the specs table was removed, but I can try finding more/better citations if needed. Segata128 (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
I"ll look into the sources if they make such a mention. But if you have the source, provide it. Lucia Black (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
The official site of Japanese developer Qute Corporation mentions it in detail, although it is in Japanese: http://wwgp.qute.co.jp/2002/entry/00040/ws-web/sound/sound1.html Qute Corporation created BANDAI's official development kit for hobbyists (WonderWitch), so they are a reliable source. The documentation included with Wonderswan emulator Cygne (http://cygne.emuunlim.com/files/wstech21.txt) also gives a complete explanation in English, which matches the official information in Qute's site. Since it was written by someone who proved to be an expert in the field by creating a working Wonderswan emulator, I would argue it should be considered a reliable source, but in any case, the Japanese site has all the official information. Segata128 (talk) 18:10, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
There is a confusion here. The document on the Qute website are correct, but does not come from Qute, but from Kazuhisa Kobayashi (小林 一久). This documentation is part of an entry #40 of the (WonderWitch Programming Contest) They are high quality documentation (better than wstech honestly which lacks lots of documentation) but it not an official one. The only official documentation for the WonderSwan, is the one comming with the higly priced SDK, or the WonderWitch one. Both are not officialy publicly available. Godzil (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Either i don't have the right character set in my computer, or something is wrong with the site. if anyone can see this site properly, they can add the information. ROM sites are generally unreliable. Lucia Black (talk) 18:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, most old Japanese sites and text files look like garbage initially, you will need to select Shift-JIS encoding in your browser ("View > Character encoding" in Firefox) and it'll look fine. Also, the source for the document in English would not be emuunlim, but the author of Cygne himself. Emuunlim is just one of the many sites where that document is hosted. I'll see if I can get a translation of Qute's site Segata128 (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
I have added a short sentence about the sound capabilities. The old specs table had more detailed information but I guess this is enough? I also thought it was relevant to call the WonderWitch an "official SDK for amateur programmers" to furthers clarify it's neither an official SDK for licensed developers nor a homebrew SDK with no involvement from the original hardware manufacturer. Segata128 (talk) 10:58, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
What exactly is a SDK? Lucia Black (talk) 11:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Software Development Kit. Indrian (talk) 13:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


### Game Library
 Done A minor point, but its probably worth mentioning that Banpresto was partially owned by Bandai at the time.
Added by way as a dash comment.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 00:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 Done Both Retro Gamer articles highlight Densha de Go! from Taito as a standout title, so it should probably be included here.
Added.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 00:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


### Reception
 Done So, the Kotaku article does not claim that WonderSwan held 10% of the market, it says it "approached" 10% of the market.  If you look at the earlier of the two Retro Gamer articles, it claims an 8% marketshare for the system.  This should probably be changed both here and in the lead.
Interesting, I hadn't seen the 8%; I just used the less than 10 because that's all I saw.  I must be slipping, but I'll correct it.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 00:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 Done I took the liberty of dividing this section into two paragraphs, as it seemed overly long as a single paragraph.  I still think the second paragraph can be shortened, though I did not want to remove material without consulting you.  Personally, I think the sentence "It's a shame that Yokoi did not live to see the WonderSwan duke it out with Nintendo. Because while it ended up—like so many other handhelds—crushed beneath the feet of the industry giant, it tried some pretty unique and interesting things, and put up a much sterner fight than most other handhelds ever managed" could be shortened to "[I]t tried some pretty unique and interesting things, and put up a much sterner fight than most other handhelds ever managed," as the info about Yokoi and being crushed does not really add any insight into the system's reception.
Looks like Lucia got this one.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 00:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


### Images
 Done I know this is a short article, but this seems a little sparse.  I am not sure what to suggest here except that maybe you could find a picture of Yokoi or a picture of some of the system's accessories.  If not, that's fine -- I'm not going to fail the article over that -- but it just feels like it could use a little more in this department.

Yokoi's picture is unfortunately copyrighted - I did check.  I did have to remove the WonderSwan variations from the Tech specs because they needed to be in the info box, but in return I added a picture of an NEC V20 in order to add some diversity.  I can try to find more, but finding free-use images seems to be the trick here... even the old WonderSwan image that was in the info box I suspect is actually copyrighted because of the image of Gunpey on it.
Yeah, I figured this would probably be a problem.  As I said, I am not going to fail the article on these grounds, so don't worry about it. Indrian (talk) 16:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Looks like User:Evan-Amos has given the images a nice overhaul and found a couple of new things to display.  This seems much better now. Indrian (talk) 14:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
And that's it.  While I have written a lot of text, in truth, I think the actual issues I have highlighted are fairly minor, with the exception, perhaps, of my concerns regarding the lead and the infobox.  I know it can be difficult attempting to create an informative and balanced article on a subject that is discussed in relatively few English-language sources, so I do not intend to be too particular in how my concerns are addressed.  I do believe this article is close, so I am going to place it  On hold for now. Indrian (talk) 00:04, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

@Indrian: I believe we've addressed all concerns here, aside from my request for a source above.  Thanks for the thorough review; though I will admit I got a laugh out of how many times you used "I know" to start a point - just a little chuckle that you know how I write these things by as many of these reviews you've done for me.  I'd also like to thank Lucia Black for introducing me to this article and the WonderSwan, which I'd never even heard of before she asked me to look at this, and allowing me to work my magic on it.  It certainly seems to have been quite the interesting handheld.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 01:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
@Red Phoenix:@Lucia Black: So I gave the article another thorough read through and did a fair amount of reorganization and rewording to improve flow.  If you don't like any of my changes, feel free to bring your concerns here, and I am sure we will be able to work them out.  I still need to give the Bandai history paragraph a polish, but otherwise I think my concerns have been addressed.  I should be able to promote this before the end of the day. Indrian (talk) 16:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I am mostly satisfied with the changes done. the only one i'm concerned about is the word choice "overshadowed" then "outcompeted". i think one suggests more than the other. but if red phoenix  prefers that wording, i wont mind. Lucia Black (talk) 17:13, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Well, "outcompeted" really is not a word.  Would you prefer "outperformed"? Indrian (talk) 18:00, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that sounds better. Lucia Black (talk) 18:22, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Done. Indrian (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Everything looks good to me; no issues with any changes at all.  Red Phoenix let's talk... 04:37, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
@Indrian: Hey, what's the scoop?  Further changes to be made? Red Phoenix let's talk... 23:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I was not quite able to get all the necessary changes done before the holiday weekend, which slowed the process down.  I have now tweaked the beginning of the history section and made a small number of additional grammatical changes, while Evan-Amos has found some lovely new images for the article.  All my concerns have now been dealt with, and I am pleased to promote the article to GA.  My thanks to everyone who contributed to this review. Indrian (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The article state a the Wonderswan use NEC V20, but first it not directly a NEC chip, it is branded Bandai, and contain more than just the CPU, and the core used seems to be more a V30, maybe a V30MZ like. Godzil (talk) 09:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Before reverting changes, read the changes content.
The changes I've made yesterdays are not falling in the "not according to reliable sources" rule. I am, unfortunately, one of the few reliable source on the WonderSwan as I'm working on documenting it. The changes I've made was just simple correction of things that was wrong, and clearly "not according to reliable sources" (especially the note about storing game save in the console itself) all the rest was rewording and correction of incorrect information (like the "512KB" VRAM size, anyone that knows a bit about the WonderSwan will laught at that statement)
As for the CPU, the NEC V20 is a 8088 clone, the WonderSwan use an embedded version of the NEC V30 (a 80186 clone) and the MZ (which is a "soft" version of the NEC V30) is the closest version, there are slight differences, but it's the closest version, and it CAN'T be a NEC V20. I'm sorry that Wikipedia mixed the V20 and the V30 on the same page, but they are quite different.
Godzil (talk) 09:44, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Everything in the article needs to be verifiable through reliable sources (see the vetted games sources at WP:VG/RS). If you have an affiliation with the subject (a conflict of interest), I recommend drafting your proposed changes on the talk page so that others can discuss them, and if they feel they are checked and appropriate, will add the changes to the article themselves. If you proposed a change that was reverted, through the bold-revert-discuss cycle, you should talk out the proposed change on the talk page (here) before reverting back and forth. Edit warring only leads to punitive actions and doesn't actually fix the article.  czar 16:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
@Godzil: As what @Czar has said, any information must be verifiable through reliable sources—that's how Wikipedia works: "verifiability, not truth". I reverted your edits because when I looked at the changes you made, it make me an impression that you did not provide sources for these changes, and they aren't given in sources such as USgamer and IGN. You mentioned in the edit summary that your changes are from "the most reliable current source". What reliable current source are you referring to? --  Hounder4 17:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Ok; So please first try to find any reputable sources that claim what the stupidity I corrected in this article you try to enforce, and then you will see if the change I made are valid or not. I don't see why this article as it is currently has been accepted as none of the claim are true and verifiable. The WonderSwan Color have 64KB of SRAM internally and 16K for the B&W, the NEC CPU is a variant of the NEC V30 that's all. The USGamer is just citing WIKIPEDIA for the spec! It's absolutely NOT a reliable source, or you accept to have cyclic sources, you made an article with error, manage it to be quoted from a "reliable source" so the error become the truth? That a nice point of view: I'm one the few person that currently work on the WonderSwan to document it, I helped trap15 on some part of the documentation of the wonderswan (as I'm making my own) that you can find here: http://daifukkat.su/docs/wsman/ To be honest the Wikipedia Article before the major changes made a few years ago on this article was much more correct than the pseudo spec you will find now. If people working on the device are NOT reputable, I'm sorry, but no one can make any articles. All the refs cited in this article are coming from people that never try to program or knows how this device work. I'm sorry, but if you rely on journalist for accuracy, Wikipedia is just a bunch of nonsense. And for the NEC V20, the US gamer is one of the only article on the Web that state that the CPU is a NEC V20, proof that it is based on current wrong wikipedia article. Another proof? But maybe the website (In japanese) of the people that made the wonderswan is not a reputable one? CAIRO is the big brother of the ASWAN chip which is the variant used in the wonderswan: https://web.archive.org/web/20071023111112/http://www.koto.co.jp/products/mono_sp.html What can we see here? "CPU V30MZ (compatible with i80186)" I'm sorry if you are so blind to not let people update and correct SMALL mistakes on a wikipedia article without putting a ref on every possible word. If it's really like you want to work I don"t care, but wikipedia will never be a good encyclopedia at the end if you still want to work like this. And for proposing a draft? For small correction on the article? Are you kidding me ? The major changes that put all this errors has never been drafted. But also, maybe the non english version of Wikipedia are not reputable enough? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/WonderSwan_Color The German version of the WonderSwan page is much more clear than the english one, because it didn't try to put every possible bit of information in only one article, and the specs are correct there. (No in fact there is a small mistake too, but comparing to the one in the english article...) But I promise I will no longer touch this article, and let it rot where it is with all the mistake it can contain. Cheers Godzil (talk) 13:10, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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As with the Game Boy Color, these WonderSwan Color exclusives were clear cartridges and refuses to play if you're playing on older WonderSwan models. Dual mode carts will work with all WonderSwan models. --2601:C8:C001:9AF0:5458:BDD2:EB9C:F0E7 (talk) 01:17, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

It's not that true in fact. Some B&W games used the clear shell for some reason (like the WonderBorg cart which at IR Tx ) Generally color games use the clear case, but unlike the GB Gray (B&W), Black (B&W with color support) and clear (Color only) a lot of color game have actually a B&W mode. 
Also the WonderWitch have the clear black shell, but using the latest updates support color mode, but this one is an exception. 217.156.156.69 (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

From "Also included in the handheld was built-in memory allowing players to save their game." this information exist on only one non technical article, written by people who don't know a lot about the WonderSwan itself. Can someone even list a game that would use that feature?
The problem is: there is none. And that's easy to check, no emulator support writing to the internal EEPROM, and it would be a mess as there is no filesystem or equivalent there for a game to store data.
So does someone have access to an official SDK or something a bit more meaningful than a single article to keep that false sentence in this article? --217.156.156.69 (talk) 15:02, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Just strip it out.  That's the easiest way to handle it if it's not something that defines the article.  I've already removed it; no need to necessarily try and "disprove" it.  Usually with discussion, things like this can be handled.  Red Phoenix talk 15:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

https://web.archive.org/web/20001014140725/http://www.zdnet.co.jp/gamespot/news/9906/23/news05.html

in the 'WonderSwan' article its says that its sixth gen console but in the 'fifth generation of video games consoles' article the WonderSwan is there i think someone needs to change that Justthat1guyinwiki (talk) 16:54, 8 January 2023 (UTC)