# Talk:Waterspout

Extract from www.torro.org.uk:
"Some tornadoes form out to sea as strong waterspouts (q.v.) which sometimes cross the coast, so a waterspout may become a tornado as the twisting funnel moves from land to sea (and vice-versa). A recent powerful and well-documented example is that of Selsey on the south coast of England on the night of 7 to 8 January 1998. When the waterspout made landfall, it carved a trail of damage a kilometer wide through the town as it damaged hundreds of buildings in less than ten minutes"
Also, and extract from http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/NWSTornado/
"Waterspouts occasionally move inland becoming tornadoes causing damage and injuries."

Following today's extensive edits by User:65.77.67.15 - diff, we now need a bit of clean up. The edits mostly look good, but 

The significant changes to Waterspout vs Tornado definitions need confirmation or sourcing
we've lost the original references
lead para needs reformatting to conform with the Manual of Sytle
self references to Wikipedia need to be removed

The article states: Incidents of waterspouts causing severe damage and casualties are rare; however, there have been several notable examples.. This week, a boat in Italy's Lago Maggiore capsized and 4 died, all on the boat were curiously related to the secret services of Italy or Israel: CNN AncientWalrus (talk) 19:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

The part about some waterspouts coming from mesocyclones is incorrect. If the funnel was spawned by a mesocyclone, it has the ability to cross onto land and therefore is actually a tornado. It’s just a tornado over water. But the mesocyclone part is what determines the difference. 2600:1700:B291:F30:F827:60E4:5BC6:3A5C (talk) 19:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

This IP did not read the text. It is clearly said that only tornadic waterspout are issued from mesocyclone (with references):
in the introduction :"Most waterspouts do not suck up water; they are small, weak rotating columns of air over water. Although typically weaker than their land counterparts, stronger versions—spawned by mesocyclones—do occasionally occur."
in "Tornadic" section: "Tornadic waterspouts, also accurately referred to as "tornadoes over water", are formed from mesocyclones in a manner essentially identical to land-based tornadoes in connection with severe thunderstorms, but simply occurring over water." For sure those can can transfert inland from water.
Pierre cb (talk) 03:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not a big fan of the lead image. There are objects in front of the camera (and serve as a distraction), the image is subpar in quality, and the environment isn't really realistic (the image, including the smoke trail, is really blue) and does not depict the waterspout to what a human eye would see. I am proposing a new lead image, though I cannot tell which image would be the best to use. Here are the best examples I could find in the categories:
First image
Pros: Close-up, highest resolution of the five images, not Western
Cons: Bad composition (terrain in the background makes the image look misleading), doesn't show the entire structure
Second image
Pros: Close-up, shows the entire structure
Cons: Bad composition (terrain in the foreground makes the image look misleading), lowest resolution of the five images
Third image
Pros: Decent quality, well-shaped structure, shows the entire structure
Cons: Bad composition, grainy
Fourth image
Pros: Close-up, shows the entire structure
Cons: Vertical, grainly, unsharp
Fifth image
Pros: Most or entire structure shown, good composition, good resolution
Cons: Bad lighting
Here are all the images. Which one would be the best to use in the lead? ZZZ'S 21:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

The second image is already in the article. Pierre cb (talk) 12:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Are you going to pick an image? ZZZ'S 13:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Not me. I just commented your choices. Pierre cb (talk) 16:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Then why comment? ZZZ'S 16:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Because it must be known to anyone that read your demand that that image is already in the article and cannot be used twice unless you remove it from the article. Pierre cb (talk) 17:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Since there are no responses, I will be bold and replace the lead image with the fifth image. ZZZ'S 07:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)