# Talk:University of Michigan Men's Glee Club

I am currently a member of the University of Michigan Men's Glee Club and I had notified the executive members of the club that I was creating this page.  It was met with endorsement, and another member started to contribute to the article by using the text we have on our website.  The use of any text from our website (http://www.umich.edu/~ummgc) and it's subsequent pages may be used in this Wikipedia article, as we give the permission to do so.  If there is anything else that needs to be done to remove this from possible copyright violation (aside from adding a note under the article's listing on Wikipedia:Copyright problems), please let me know.  Thank you.

I was just now browsing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_National_Cathedral and saw that UM Glee Club alumnus Scott Hanoian holds a prominent position at the National Cathedral.  I don't have the information but it might be worth creating an article for him.
Also, a section listing famous alumni (Bob McGrath, Dewey, etc) might be nice.
Keep up the good work!

I'm revising much of this page as a lot of the text taken from the official UMMGC page has a tone which is unencyclopedic. Thus, I'm keeping all the historical content, while removing more editorial comments. -- MarkBuckles 05:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC) (UMMGC Alumnus)

Many revisions finished. Still needs some a fair amount of work to get rid of all POV's but it's a lot better. I'm not sure whether so much information should be repeated in the TC&ME section. Most of it is already in the History section. We should also add a discography. -- MarkBuckles 06:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree -- the "Values" section is almost entirely a recap of what we've just read. There is almost no new information added. Seems like it doesn't deserve three subsections; I have cut it down substantially. Ztrawhcs 12:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I think this article is quite well written, and could be expanded (in areas other than history, which is already extensive.)  What is there now, however, needs sources.  I have been participating in edits of Harvard Glee Club, Cornell Glee Club, and others to improve the use of citations and so on; I am a little too far removed from this group to do the same, but it still needs to be done.--Dmz5 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that it's more than a bit dishonest to claim that the organization was founded in 1859.  The various groups that existed before 1876 were all separate entities for each graduating class.  To call 1859 the founding date of the Glee Club is like saying that 1607 is when the United States of America was founded because that's when the first of her constituent colonies came into existence.  I'm sure this will be a contentious point, but I think that's the fairest way to describe the date of the group's founding - its own web page and press kits notwithstanding. 68.163.45.91 04:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Where has the 1876 date come from?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.41.163 (talk) 18:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Comparing the founding of a glee club at the University of Michigan and the formation of colonies as opposed to the US is completely irrelevant.  The organization can trace its history back to 1859.  What you are saying would consider the USA founded in 1788 simply because the government changed form from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution, or 1959 because the country changed form and added another state.68.62.17.244 (talk) 04:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
That's not a refutation of the argument.  The fact remains that the organizations that existed before 1876 were entities independent of each other and of the Glee Club that exists today.  Each of the 1859-1875 groups was dissolved upon the graduation of its class. "Tracing its history" is not the same as "founding." The US colonies analogy would seem apt to me, as would an analogy between The Quarrymen and The Beatles.  Neither is perfect, but both usefully illustrate how there are situations where an entity's "founding" date is different from the earliest date to which the entity can trace its historical roots. This is an arguable point, and I think an administrator should resolve it before further edits are made. Niremetal (talk) 19:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I can understand your point, and am willing to argue it (The organization considers its roots and its founding date to be the same thing, and I would defer to them),  but it is something to have an administrator look at.  But where are you getting the 1876 date from? 68.43.179.1 (talk) 23:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
We can't "defer" to the organization, which has a vested interest in claiming the earliest founding date possible for publicity purposes.  Both the lower section of this page and The Michigan Book list a later founding date.  The book actually says 1875: http://books.google.com/books?id=ia6fAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=michigan+glee+club+1876&source=bl&ots=R3ax_sfIXt&sig=4wzJhNRfXvvuuUfw5vSGru4Gp6g&hl=en&ei=KgezSp6QGOSvtgf_4pyxDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7.
So until someone provides an explanation without resorting to the group's own (self-serving) materials, the date should remain 1876. Niremetal (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Your search for "Michigan Glee Club 1876" shows that rather than searching for the earliest date, you simply looked for corroborating evidence.  On top of this, the book you link says "revived," which is in direct opposition to records kept by historians of the club.  On top of this, page 136 of the book you linked lists male choirs dating back to 1859. 68.43.179.1 (talk) 21:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

University of Michigan is not represented with a project at Category:WikiProject Universities. Please comment at Talk:University_of_Michigan#Should_University_of_Michigan_have_a_project.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  02:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

"Blackstone retired in 2002, with the club's CD I have had singing being a retrospective of his tenure as conductor.[39] His time spent conducting the club has been well-received, with the secretary of the Warsaw Philharmonica stating, "I was completely enchanted. It is unbelievable that an amateur group could surpass our most professional choirs with such ease of execution."[43]"
The statement from the secretary of the Warsaw Philharmonica should not be attributed to the Blackstone era of the club. This statement was in reference to a performance given in Warsaw during the 1967 World Tour, during Professor Duey's tenure.  I know this because it's quoted in My "M" Songbook, and I was in the club from 1978-82.  The Club needs to retire their old press clippings and promotional quotes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.152.134.2 (talk) 21:37, 29 April 2019 (UTC)