# Talk:Wild Honey (album)

I've changed the lead vocalist for this song from Al back to Carl. My reasons can be found on the talk page for that song. MookieZ (talk) 18:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

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If Wild Honey reached higher chart positions than Smiley Smile (both US and UK), then how can this be possible? --Ilovetopaint (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree it seems illogical. But a) a higher position isn't necessarily indicative, because (obviously) a weekly chart placing for one release is relative to how all other releases have performed, so chart stay/duration might be more important; and b) Leaf, the only source we have, is clearly only referring to the commercial performance in the US.
I imagine there must be sources that comment on this continued decline in the band's commercial fortunes, yet don't present it in the way Leaf does. Can we not use one of them instead? Alternatively, if anyone can be bothered to trawl through the Billboard archive, maybe there's a contemporary report stating that Wild Honey was the band's lowest-selling LP to date. Yes, Smiley Smile peaked at number 41 and Wild Honey at number 24, but perhaps what Billboard (or others) might cover is how the peaks and chart stays translate with regard to sales. JG66 (talk) 04:24, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Wild Honey (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 23:41, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 23:41, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

The "ball-less choir boys" quote in the lead should be cited there.
As with chillwave I'm concerned about the number of quotes used.  Can you try to reduce the use of quotes in the "Style and production" and "Songs" section?  I'd like to see the quotes reduced in "Release" and "Retrospective reviews" too, per WP:Copyediting reception sections, but for GA I think that's less important.
I started copyediting; the prose in is good shape, but I'm going to pause the review since I've asked you to do some rewriting.  Once we're agreed on the quotes I'll go back through. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 12:09, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Ilovetopaint: just checking that you saw the notification about this review.  Let me know if you need more time to work on it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 13:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, haven't had much time - I trimmed/removed a couple lines. The reason why the first paragraph of "Style and production" reads the way it does is because of another user some years ago who insisted that genres were a matter of opinion and had to have in-text attribution. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
No hurry, so long as I know you're working on it.  For the "Style and production" section, it's not so much the attribution, though that is sometimes clunky; it's the lengthy quotes.  Quotes from band members are easier to justify, but I would think the quotes from Harrison, Williams, and Dillon could be paraphrased. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 19:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 Done trimmed a bit --Ilovetopaint (talk) 01:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Much better; I think the prose is fine now.

Looking through the sources, can you say what makes these reliable?
esquarterly.com -- seems to be a personal website.
Exceptional WP:SPS: Bellagio 10452 is managed by Andrew Doe with help from Craig Slowinski, both of whom have written liner notes for many of the band's reissued albums since the 2000s. Doe also co-wrote The Complete Guide to the Music of the Beach Boys, a book published by Omnibus Press in 2004.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
acclaimedmusic.net -- also seems to be a personal website
rockcellarmagazine.com
rockcritics.com
removed all above--Ilovetopaint (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

OK on esquarterly.com.  That's everything; promoting to GA. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 13:27, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

"Ron Brown" Did NOT play fender bass on "I was Made To Love Her".  Once again, Wiki gets it wrong and   no one is permitted to correct. How do I know this fact?
I dunno, after Carol TOLD me that she DID played bass on this side, I sort of took it for granted that she was not lying to me. 
Carol was always a very nice lady and I cannot imagine her getting something like that wrong.  She still plays Jazz dates on guitar, —why don't you go and ask her? Carol also played fender bass for Stevie Wonder on Wonder's version of the same song.  Tell her "The Old Fart is just sticking up for her work".  Why Motown allowed Brian to release this side before Stevie Wonder, is anyone guess.   —Listen to the two versions.  The fender bass is identical, —note-for-note. Carol is also playing fender bass on "Superstitious".
Since Wild Honey was recorded in Brian's home studio, Carl, Alan, Brian, Bruce and Denny got to play a lot. And NO, The Beach Boys were NOT lesser musicians. Carl and Alan were as good as many session pros on electric guitar. After all, they learned from cats like Tommy Tedesco, Billy Strange and Glen C. Both Alan and Carl played VERY professionally.  E.g., note how little they barre anything. Full barre is an amateur move. Denny was more than a competent pop drummer.   Listen to Carl's lead playing on the Ersel Hickey Song, "Blue Birds Over The Mountain" (on 20/20).  —A truly amazing lead. 
The Stevie Wonder released version of "I Was made To Love Her" came after the Beach Boys version.  (demo recorded before the Beach Boys version). 
Carol Kaye played fender bass on this song and others on the record.  Lyle Ritz is surely playing bull bass on some of the sides. Brian worked with 4 or 5 fender bass player, but he would not have worked with anyone but Lyle —given the choice. Hal Blaine and Lyle were a matched set.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BixLives32 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 19 April 2021 (UTC) 

I don't know where to start. Ed Carter plays lead guitar on "Bluebirds...". The Beach Boys recorded "I Was Made To Love Her" on Oct. 28, 1967, Stevie's original charted in July 1967. James Jamerson played on the Stevie track. Ron Brown plays on this one. The name of the other song is "Superstition". There is no bass guitar on that song. Carol Kaye (an amazing bassist, for sure) has claimed to play on a lot of songs that she clearly didn't. Santa Claus of the Future (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

The 9.5 rating is for the two-fer. If you read the review, it completely pans Wild Honey, even dismisses it outright. The 9.5 seems to be solely for Smiley Smile. 2600:1702:5E30:E700:BBF5:A9C3:E1BD:C00C (talk) 16:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)