# Talk:Seung-Hui Cho

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Frankly, most of the times when I check a reference in the article, its content does not support what is written. I have huge doubts this article can be considered a GA. It seems the article was written in a hurry and without proper care and that I am the first person to care enough to check if this article is up to Wikipedia's standards. Veverve (talk) 07:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
By the way, I have tried to check most of the references to see if they supported what the article said, and to replace non-RSs by RSs. However, I could not check each and every reference. Veverve (talk) 04:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

It seems obvious to me that the name "Ishmael" used by Cho is a reference to the Genesis 17:18-21 passage where Yaweh refuses to establish his covenant with Ishmael and gives Ishmael a minor blessing of having numerous offsprings ("I will make him fruitful and multiply him greatly. He will become the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.").
However, I cannot find any news article or mention of this theory anywhere. Did anyone find anything related to this? Veverve (talk) 01:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

This article [1] seems to contradict Lucinda Roy and Virginia Tech shooting, it says according to Roy AFASK, Cho never sought the counselling she'd been urging him to "After Roy notified authorities of Cho's behavior, she urged Cho to seek counseling, but to her knowledge, Cho never followed through with the request.". However both the other articles actually quote Roy's criticism as she says he did contact the universities counselling centre but she feels he didn't get the necessary support and assessment. It seems like this comes from her 2009 book whereas our article is from a 2007 source, and it's also stated she only learnt of this after his death so I expect she either didn't know of it at the time of our source or at least wasn't willing to publicly mention it for whatever reason. However I'm not comfortable adding this without further checking out the sources to make sure there isn't something I'm missing, especially any response from the university or counselling centre. Nil Einne (talk) 14:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I decided a simple interim solution was just to remove the part about him never seeking counselling to her knowledge. This is an article about Cho after all, not her. I mean in this case, it may or may not be significant enough to mention since she seems also somewhat critical of the fact she didn't know. Yet it's not clear to me there's a clear reason she should have been informed, I mean if we imagine a hypothetical scenario where a student received excellent support, perhaps the student thanked her or perhaps with the student's permission the centre contacted her to see if she knew stuff which could help them offer support. But maybe none of this happens and the person never finds out because it's not really something they need to know. The fact he may not have received proper support seems separate from her not being informed, they could have informed her but still done almost nothing to help. Now the fact he did contact counselling support but alleged didn't receive proper support, that's something we probably should mention here but as said, I feel I would need to check sources before adding anything. (Likewise even if he didn't contact counselling, since there was an investigation etc, it's quite likely the evidence he didn't would be stronger e.g. no records were found nor was anyone interviewed as part of the investigation aware of any contact.) Nil Einne (talk) 14:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

During the investigation, police found a note in Cho’s dorm room in which he criticized “rich kids,” “debauchery,” and “deceitful charlatans.” This language reflects a moral and cultural critique of modern society. A similar worldview is explored in Ishmael, a philosophical novel by Daniel Quinn, where a telepathic gorilla teaches a man about the destructive path of modern civilization. The book contrasts “Taker” cultures (modern industrial societies) with “Leaver” cultures (tribal societies) and explores how myths shape behavior and justify domination over nature.
Ishmael has become a cult classic, especially among readers who are disillusioned with modern life and societal decay. While the novel advocates nonviolence and spiritual awakening, its anti-establishment themes have resonated with individuals who feel isolated or alienated. Though there is no confirmed evidence that Cho read the book, the parallels between the novel's themes and Cho’s own rhetoric have led some to draw comparisons. 2600:4041:5B64:9900:3534:50DF:EDA5:4192 (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)