# Talk:The Golden Age of Grotesque

after researching i can not find a song called the day love died by marilyn so im gonna delete that
Okay, on every album of Mansons, it says "many critics consider this to be his least successful album". Could we have this ACTUALLY ASSESSED? 24.207.58.166 (talk) 05:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Why does "GOAG" lead here when the actual initials are GAOG?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.179.184.59 (talk) 13:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC) 
Isn't the actual title of the song "Thaeter"? The spelling "Theater" appears twice in the article and I believe it is wrong. Trilby*foxglove (talk) 14:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Where's the data in MTV Spain? The reference only links to the MTV Spain site. Searching for MM there also doesn't yield MM's record sales. -Red marquis (talk) 02:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Just looked over the GA assessment of this article and I had similar problems when I nominated Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) a few months back so I believe I may offer some suggestions on how to improve this page. Simply put, it needs a healthy section on its Development, Composition, Release (+cover art and formats subsections), Promotion and singles, more extensive Critical reception section, Accolades (if it had any) and finally, a brief synopsis section on the Grotesk Burlesk Tour. Charts and certification is already completed. To achieve FA status, we'll just have to add a Recording and production section under Development. -Red marquis (talk) 12:46, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Good job on improving the page Salgado96, however, this article still suffers from a deficit of sources. Here are a couple of highly reliable sources that would be useful for fleshing out the album's development, promotion, etc. sections.
VH1 news feed on MM from the Antichrist Superstar days to today
compilation of magazine interviews from The Golden age of Grotesque era
Manson Barred from Six Flags
BBC Music The Golden Age Of Grotesque Review
Helnwien Interview w/ Manson
btw, don't link the actual webpage on provider module, just use the cite journal template and fill in the blanks. Most of the info on that is found on the right side panel of the interviews. -Red marquis (talk) 21:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

The article is, sadly, very fanfacty. Needs a major overhaul. -Red marquis (talk) 10:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know the full names of the 2 women who joined the band onstage during the tour?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.49.221.101 (talk) 17:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC) 

I think this sort of info belongs on the Grotesk Burlesk Tour's own wikipage (if only someone would create that page). The section on this article about the tour should only provide a cursory summary. -Red marquis (talk) 10:55, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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why is it being removes every single time i put it in? it should be "mOBSCENE" not "Mobscene (stylized as mOBSCENE" thats annoying af.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:88:8003:9C0:E85A:A066:B3D4:37AE (talk) 01:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC) 

I can agree that the writing of mOBSCENE as "Mobscene (stylized as mOBSCENE)" is irritating, but more egregious is "Saint (stylized as (S)aint)" - specifically because the song lyrics specifically state "Hold the S because I am an ain't" - hence the 'stlyization'. Morogth (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Provider Module on TGAOG Interviews
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### Critical Reception Sources
The Guardian review
Uncut UK review
NME feature on Manson's Discog with an interesting snippet on TGAOG
Chicago Tribune
Dallas Observer review of TGAOGWayback

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Golden Age of Grotesque/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Freikorp (talk · contribs) 10:22, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Is it reasonably well written? 
"exit the group over the following years" - over the following years? This is confusing at this point. Perhaps it would be better to say they both quit before the release of the band's next album.
Done.
"With the triptych of previous album complete" - specify the albums in brackets, and probably refer to it as 'Manson's triptych'. Perhaps consider fleshing this out further as people unfamiliar with Manson's work will have no idea what you're talking about.
Done.
"a 16-year-old fan who had been diagnosed with a terminal illness" - can you expand on how Manson made contact with this person? This is interesting.
Couldn't find many reliable sources on this, but managed to track down a poorly titled NME article. Done.
"John 5's (real name: John Lowery)" - this style of explaining the real name is odd and seems unnecessary. I also see no reason to explain Gacy's real name in brackets.
Removed both instances.
"the band's next studio album, 2007's Eat Me, Drink Me" - I think this would read better if you placed the year in brackets after the album title.
Done.
Is it factually accurate and verifiable? 
A. Has an appropriate reference section: 
B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: 
C. No original research: 
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: 
There's no indication of Manson's reaction to the Jones murder connection, even though said information appears in the sources cited.
I've added a quote to rectify this.
Why did Gacy quit? And why did he sue?
Hard to say what all that was about, really. Short answer = Gacy appears to have gone insane. I've expanded on that whole thing a bit more.
This source used in the article [1] mentions that this is the second time Manson had the lowest selling No. 1 album of the year. That's probably worth mentioning.
Done.
B. Focused: 
Is it neutral? 
Fair representation without bias: 
Is it stable? 
No edit wars, etc: 
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic? 
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content: 
B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 
Overall:
Pass or Fail: An enjoyable read. Will pass this as soon as minor issues are addressed. Incidentally I've been wondering for years why this album hasn't been certified gold in the US despite selling more than 500,000 copies. Any ideas as to why? I'm just curious. Freikorp (talk) 13:02, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Once again, thanks for the speedy review. I believe I've dealt with all of your points above. Let me know if there's anything more I could do. Homeostasis07 (talk) 18:55, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome. Happy to pass this now. Freikorp (talk) 23:42, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

I think it needs a brief section on the short film Doppelherz (which was shipped along with this album as part of the whole experience/package) and the Grotesk Burlesk coffee table book. -Red marquis (talk) 12:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

He made reference to distance the album's sound from Nu Metal but it seems he unintentionally made the album to harbor elements on songs such as mObscene and Use Your Fist And Not Your Mouth, The Bright Young Things, Vodevil, and Slutgarden. I'm not the only one who thinks so, the Guardian highlight it too.