# Talk:Turkoman (ethnonym)

In the early 21st century, the ethnonym "Turkmen" is still used by the Turkmens of Turkmenistan [..] is so profound and informative. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I don't see any issues with that portion of the sentence. Actually, a more serious issue appears to be what follows it: who have sizeable groups in Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan. Why is this relevant? This entire paragraph requires a rewrite. My proposal would be:
In the early 21st century, the ethnonyms "Turkoman" and "Turkmen" are still used by the Turkmens of Turkmenistan, Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens, Turks of Israel and Lebanon, Yoruks (sub-ethnic group of Turkish people) and Karapapakhs (sub-ethnic group of Azerbaijanis).
Any additional information about the groups mentioned (i.e. descendants of the Oghuz Turks who mostly adhere to an Anatolian Turkish heritage and identity.; Most Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens are descendants of Ottoman soldiers, traders, and civil servants who were taken into Iraq from Anatolia during the rule of the Ottoman Empire) should be within the linked articles, not here. — Golden call me maybe? 18:49, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
We have an article with an undefined scope. A year ago, I had suggested that rather than stuffing everything Turkmen into the page, there was need to define a fixed scope to avoid content duplication. Obviously, that fell on deaf ears.
That said, my issue was with the sentence framing. More on that soon. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:03, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The use of "Turkmen" as an ethnonym for the Turks living in Iranian Azerbaijan disappeared from common use after the 17th and 18th centuries.
Gross (1995; p. 214) offers nothing relevant. Neither does Tsutsiev (2014; p. 48-50). I do not see anything relevant in the encyclopedic entry (which is a very poor source) on Turks, either. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Both sources appear to be citations for the sentence following the one to which you linked: It continued to be used interchangeably with other ethnohistorical terms for the Turkic people of the area, including Turk, Tatar and Ajam, well into the early 20th century.. The statement about Turks in Iranian Azerbaijan lacks a citation. — Golden call me maybe? 18:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Yeah - the line either lacks a citation or is mis-cited (wiki-rules allow appending citations at end of paragraph). Thanks for keeping a tab; will like you to verify the rest of my accusations/allegations! TrangaBellam (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

[..] which included such languages and dialects as Seljuq, Old Anatolian Turkish, and [..].
Seljuq = OAT, I believe. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

I wonder if there are issues here with WP:ISATERMFOR. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)