# Talk:Order of Nine Angles


### Order of Nine Angles
@PARAKANYAA, you undid my re-inclusion of the Tempel ov Blood FBI-funding stuff. I believe there are multiple sources that are considered generally reliable by Wikipedia backing it up. You say it's undue, yet I'm not sure there's ever been a talk-page discussion on this. In fact, if you look at the archives of this talk-page, I believe you'll find some users lamenting that there was no info on that here yet, so consensus seems to be in favor of keeping it. The WIRED source says that Sutter played an important part in promoting O9A. BeatrixGodard (talk) 20:30, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

There are dozens of Nexions. That something is in a reliable source does not make it due weight; there are hundreds of sources about eh O9A and given that this is a WP:GA we have to carefully manage what we do and do not include, or this will become a mass of random anecdotes. I was not the person who removed it and it was removed in order to maintain this page's GA status, but I concur with the removal. The Tempel ov Blood is effectively an entirely different group and devoting a whole section to it is very, very undue. Mentions are fine but that is not what we are doing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
I agree with PARAKANYAA here, a group that is "believed to be an independent affiliate of ONA" is not the ONA, and is not due a whole section.
However some information about Sutter specifically may be due. If you have a source which can strongly support the claim that Sutter "promote[s] ONA" in a substantial manner while working as an FBI informant, then I think stating such briefly in the "Twenty-first century spread" section may be appropriate. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 23:12, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
Perhaps. BeatrixGodard (talk) 01:07, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
You actually did remove it. I don't know you why you would claim that you didn't. I realize that it was originally removed by a user who is not you, before I re-instated it, and then you removed it. I assumed that you would understand what I meant by "you undid my re-inclusion". BeatrixGodard (talk) 01:07, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
I removed it after you re-added it when your edit summary was "Undoing deletion of entire section by Midnightblueowl". I did not do the original removal, nor did I say you did, but I was emphasizing that two users agreed to remove this section. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:24, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
Yes. BeatrixGodard (talk) 01:31, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
Related, but we really should have an article on Joshua Sutter as a person. Weird guy. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:07, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

Sources say that there are similarities to Kali. Hence I feel an image of Kali is appropriate. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:48, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

@52Timer Nowhere in that source does it call it a Nexion. Extrapolating that from a vague "influence" is SYNTH. Unless the source calls it that, we cannot say it is. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:24, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

They do consider themselves “Nihilistic” and share many similarities. Though not a “Nexion” they have claimed they have also taken some “Influence” from the  Paraguayan People’s Army, or from the Mapuche and have said “that does not mean that we are leftist or indigenists” . So perhaps I made a clear mistake on my end. 52Timer (talk) 08:35, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
Sure, but us deciding they have similarities is classical WP:OR and the source didn't say a Nexion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:40, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
Got it 52Timer (talk) 08:43, 19 October 2025 (UTC)