# Talk:Qilombo

Hiya I thought I'd make some comments here for User:MariaElle about the page. It's a great start and needs a bit of work. I suggested looking at Red Emma's, Bluestockings (bookstore) and Forte Prenestino as pages for somewhat similar projects. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) is worth a read since we need to establish notability for wikipedia, which is done by using references to indepth coverage in reliable secondary sources. Without establishing notability, then the article won't be approved. That doesn't say anything about the project itself, this just about the wikipedia criteria for notability. I'm discussing the links you used and also found some others.
I would say these sources fit that criteria and therefore should be used for the basis of the article:

https://www.theselc.org/afrikatown_tour_and_land_liberation
https://www.workers.org/2015/04/19376/
https://viewpointmag.com/2016/02/01/strategy-after-ferguson/
https://resist.org/grantee/qilombo/
These sources are reliable but the mention of Qilombo is fleeting so they might be worth using but don't really contribute to establishing notability:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/diy-in-crisis-has-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-jeopardized-the-underground-114144/
https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/3122
https://openspace.sfmoma.org/2018/05/creating-the-collective-challenges-on-23rd-avenue/
https://web.archive.org/web/20120604014710/https://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/black-bloc-anarchist-turn.html
These sources are fine to use but they are all local news sources so should just be used to back specific claims like a gallery show or whatnot, as you have already been doing. They don't add much to notability, being local:

https://www.eastbayexpress.com/WhatTheFork/archives/2015/04/03/west-oakland-activists-vow-to-defend-afrika-town-community-garden
https://www.dailycal.org/2015/12/04/hannah-gentrification/
https://crpbayarea.org/cultural-resilience-community-engagement-and-addressing-displacement-from-an-equity-standpoint/
https://www.postnewsgroup.com/qilombo-to-host-benefit-concert-for-donations-to-homeless/
https://xpressmagazine.org/13317/uncategorized/determined-for-change/
https://sfbayview.com/2016/05/come-to-the-afrikatown-anti-eviction-block-party-on-may-28/
https://thestreetspirit.org/2019/02/01/oakland-community-social-center-raided-by-police/
http://www.thecampanil.com/qilombo-fights-gentrification-in-community-amidst-own-battles/
https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/best-anarchist-hangout/BestOf?oid=3288562
This link - https://www.leagle.com/decision/incaco20180305000 is great to include but doesn't count towards establishing notability for wikipedia since court documents are considered 
Right now there's a lot of facebook links which aren't that necessary. Per WP:FACEBOOK facebook links are acceptable under certain circumstances, but if it's an event rpeort, much better to use a local news link. I would chop out most if not all of the facebook links. If that means a certain event is not mentioned, that's ok.
I'd say the "Notable Events, Workshops, and Series" section doesn't need all the subheaders, it could be rolled together.
Hopefully by comparing this article to Red Emma's, Bluestockings (bookstore) and Forte Prenestino you can see what i am on about!
The quote to explain the name is great, but the quote to expalin the transition is too big. Also better to reference the libcom interview to its original source, viewpointmag.
It's great to have images on the article, I would say right now the images slightly interfere with reading pleasure. They could be made smaller and maybe pruned a bit.
I hope these comments are helpful in getting the article published on wikipedia! Mujinga (talk) 21:26, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Great, thank you so much!  I will work on these in the coming days

great let me know if you need a hand with it. by the way on wikipedia talkpages, we sign our posts using ~~~~, known as the four tildes - you should see a button to press to inset them between the edit box and the edit summary box, if that makes any sense at all! Mujinga (talk) 14:42, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
did a bunch of updates! would love some more feedback whenever you get a chance. thank you so much for helping me cull my sources.  guessing i may need to cut more, but would love to get your eyes on it again!  MariaElle (talk) 06:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
nice one the article is looking much improved! what jumps out at me right now is that there are still a lot of links to outside wikipedia, since within the main article links should only point to another article in wikipedia (or be in a citation). so for example you've got Planting Justice which could just be Planting Justice and the videos section would probably best be deleted. Mujinga (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I tripped over you as I was on Mujinga's page. My own advice might be that you should draft this down to the best two paragraphs with some solid refs that explain why this is notable. Put the rest to one side. There are editors who have written a hundred a so articles or more who could publish an article of this length but you are going to face a lot of minor points and the major point is notability. You can persuade the community that this article is notable in a couple of paragraphs (or not) .... get that published THEN add the rest of the stuff and learn about other style issues. Good luck Victuallers (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you I will do this! MariaElle (talk) 06:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
This was good advice from Victuallers. The article was assessed and not accepted due to it not having an encyclopedic tone, so I've rewritten it a bit, I think it's ok now. See what you think MariaElle, when you are happy with it I'd say resubmit it. Anything that I've changed is not "lost", it will be in the edit history. Mujinga (talk) 17:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes this looks great!!  Thank you so much Mujinga.  This is exactly the kind of help I needed, then hopefully I can add more stuff and learn more about wikipedia style/culture/rules. I appreciate your help, and would love to ask you a few more questions later if/when the submission is approved. Thanks so much again!   MariaElle (talk) 21:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Sure thing MariaElle I'm happy to answer any questions if I can. So just to be clear it's not resubmitted yet, I didn't do that for you. And it might get knocked back again, that's just part of the process, but I think if you do resubmit it, it should be accepted this time round (and if not then we can work on it some more) Mujinga (talk) 21:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Great, just resubmitted. Thanks Mujinga!  MariaElle (talk) 01:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC)