# Talk:Typhoon Sarika

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ReliefWeb overview

Philippines:

IFRC final report: affected 73,617 families (329,468 people) in 1,491 barangays in Regions I, II, III, CALABARZON, V and CAR (see Administrative divisions of the Philippines), damage to agriculture PHP 3.6 billion, damage to infrastructure PHP 226 million, lots of aftermath info
FAO agricultural impact with Typhoon Haima
ECHO flash list (this ECHO), look at 16 to 19 October
NDRRMC situation reports. Reports 5 to 8 (final) are most useful.
Name: Retirement, replacement
Rainfall totals
EU funds
Final government report
February 2017 replanting
China:

China Daily prep: [1], [2] (quite detailed)
Hong Kong Observatory for all HK impacts
impact breakdown by province
another impact overview
Hainan impact, communications, response
Guangxi: part 1, part 2
Alleviating drought
Vietnam

Initial appeal to IFRC, revised appeal
~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Good work on the article. I just had a question (didn't want to GA review it, but I was curious) - how did the 30 people die in Vietnam? You only mention the cause of three of the deaths. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  15:11, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: curiously I cannot find anything storm related for Central Vietnam in local news (though that may be because I have to use Google translate to search through Vietnamese news). Chinese news turns up more results but doesn't mention how the other 27 were killed. Looking at the situation it was probably due to flooding, but I haven't found sources that explicitly mention that. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 00:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
@KN2731: Part of the problem with Vietnam is that the damage could be mixed up with a deadly flood event a couple days before Sarika hit. The majority of the 30 deaths might not be from Sarika. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
The IFRC report seems to state 34 deaths confirmed before Sarika hit. It's possible no fatalities are related to the typhoon. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
@Cyclonebiskit: from what I can gather the Chinese sources link Sarika to floods in central Vietnam from around October 17 to 18 whereas others don't - I found this on ReliefWeb by Việt Nam News stating all of the 30 deaths and 30 injuries were separate. Vietnam also doesn't mention Sarika in their report for the ESCAP/WMO Typhoon Committee 11th IWS, but I'm not sure if this is because Sarika was too recent (there again both China and Philippines cover Sarika, so...). I guess I'll remove the 30 fatalities and impacts of the earlier flooding but I'll leave a footnote saying that they could possibly be linked. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 14:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Typhoon Sarika/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 15:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Will do by tonight hopefully. YE Pacific Hurricane 15:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Yellow Evan: in case you forgot about this ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 06:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
"It was the twenty-first named storm and the tenth typhoon of the annual Pacific typhoon season. Sarika developed from a tropical disturbance east of the Philippines on October 13. " Can these two sentences be combined? YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Can typhoon be linked in the lead? YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Right off the bat, the lead should probably be longer. I usually try to include at least some of the following information (and tbf some of that is in here). Listed in order of general importance:
Deaths/injuries
Monetary damage estimates divided up by category
Number of homes damaged/destroyed, leaving number of people homeless
Number of crops destroyed (usually in ha)
Explaining how people died/got injured, especially if most of the deaths of a cyclone can be traced back to one or two incidents
Areas that were according to sources the worst hit with a possible brief explanation of why
Disaster declarations
"Sarika was first noted by the United States-based Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) as a disorganized tropical disturbance on October 11, while it was about 1,050 km (650 mi) southeast of Manila in the Philippines.[1]" just axe everything after Manila. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Please provide some note of 1 and 10 min sustained winds and what agencies provide what. (Just copy from one of my old articles) rather than explicitly say "10 minute winds" and "1 minute winds". YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"However, the system managed to intensify into a tropical storm by 18:00 UTC on October 13" by whom? YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Both JMA and JTWC upgraded to TS at that time, which is why I didn't distinguish between the two. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 08:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
The National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council (NDRRMC) was placed on blue alert on October 12,[24] can you define the alert system? I believe this is in tropical cyclones warnings and watches so just link there. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
This alert system is specific to NDRRMC. The blue alert isn't as important, just means they start monitoring the situation, so I cut that bit and elaborated on the red alert instead. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 08:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Convert all currencies to USD. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Why is local time mentioned at all in the Hong Kong section? YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"In anticipation of squally conditions over the next few days due to Sarika and the influence of the northeast monsoon, the HKO advised people to keep away from the shoreline and avoid participating in water sports. " this happens in every approaching hurricane/typhoon. Axe it. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"he State Flood Control and Drought Relief Headquarters activated a Level I emergency response,[20] " have no idea what this is (or what a Level II or III response is for that matter). YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Linked the Chinese Wikipedia article. Unfortunately there's no equivalent in English. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 08:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
"Authorities warned people to avoid visiting beaches because of the danger posed by storm surge and large waves. Fisheries and farms were also advised to take precautions.[19] " axe this as well. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"The Central Steering Committee for Natural Disaster Prevention and Control met on October 17 to discuss preparatory measures ahead of Sarika. The provinces of Quảng Ninh, Hải Phòng, and Thái Bình were deemed to be most at risk.[44] " and this. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"Officials instructed district governments to evacuate people at risk of floods. In the days leading up to the typhoon, torrential rains had already caused severe, deadly flooding in central Vietnam, leading to fears that Sarika would worsen the situation." Either axe the first bit or combine the two sentences. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Did the latter. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 08:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
"Typhoon Sarika, known locally as Typhoon Karen, made landfall over Baler, Aurora at 2.30 a.m. PHT on October 16 (18:30 UTC October 15).[13] " again why local time? YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"The typhoon brought strong winds that downed trees and toppled power lines, as well as heavy rains that caused flooding." do you need this? You mention all three in at least somewhat more detail later. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
" In the waters off Catbalogan, Samar, strong winds and large waves capsized a service vessel carrying 11 people on October 14, and partially sank another boat carrying five people on October 15." "11" to "eleven" because "five" is not spelled out and they are in the same sentence. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"A group of 16 mountaineers attempted to ascend Mount Pulag on October 15, despite warnings from local authorities. They became stranded on the mountain the next morning and had to be rescued." given how much impact there is already, can this be condensed a bit? Just say 16 mountaineers had to be rescued atop Mount Pulag. Not sure you even need a date. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"Roughly 394,470 hectares" needs conversion to acres. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"The HKO Headquarters " link to Hong Kong Royal Observatory. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Linked to the specific subsection. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 08:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
" rain falling between 3:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. local time on October 19." just say in an hour. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"The heavy rains on October 19 resulted in 14 reports of floods and seven landslides." again spell out 14 since 7 is spelled out. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"Sarika made its first China landfall near Hele, Wanning, in the southeast of Hainan, around 9:50 a.m. CST (01:50 UTC) on October 18.[19] The system exited into the Gulf of Tonkin at midnight on October 19 (16:00 UTC). Possessing winds of at least 150 km/h (93 km/h), Sarika was the strongest October typhoon to impact Hainan since 1971.[nb 3] " If this belongs anywhere it is the MH honestly but also please remove local time references. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"Agricultural damage was widespread, with 380,710 hectares of crops affected, of which 97,640 hectares was lost.[20] " again convert to acres. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"The entire island experienced torrential rainfall, with average accumulations of 178 mm (7.01 in) from October 17–20. The highest rainfall total from Sarika was 548 mm (21.6 in) at Baitang Reservoir in Ding'an County.[20] Ten townships recorded rainfall totals above 300 mm (12 in).[33] " Do we need that much for just one province? Just mention the highest total and cut out the rest. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"Nearby, Qionghai was similarly impacted. The main highway into Qionghai was blocked by floodwaters. " given the second sentence, why do we need the first snetence? YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"A ship was set adrift two nautical miles from the Port of Zhanjiang after its anchor broke and the backup anchor failed to release. A total of 41 people aboard the ship were rescued.[70] " I was going to ask you to put nm to km and mi but tbh you don't need that sort of detail. Just mention 41 people were reseced, say where, and say how in one sentence. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"Sarika made its second China landfall in Fangchenggang at 2:10 p.m. CST (06:10 UTC), October 19." again belongs in the MH. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"Crop damage spanned 47,620 hectares, of which 8,460 hectares were not salvageable. " again convert to acres. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Can you give aftermath its own seperate level 2 section, perhaps with level 3 headers. The current format is strange. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Why is there a level 2 section for something that isn't that important (retirement). YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
It's well researched, I'll give you that much. Still, the article is a bit overly detailed and wordy, as well as a bunch of minor but persistent problems. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@Yellow Evan: should have gotten everything. Let me know if the lead needs more expansion. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 08:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)