# Talk:Sixto Escobar

Well, here we have a compact but concise biography covering one of Puerto Rico's athletic forbearers. In all honesty, I'm surprised that we have been able to bring it up to 18,000 bytes, almost all of the biographies out there are terribly short and undetailed, giving us a limited supply for references, but Fonseca's book is an impressive compendium. Based on the size and detail of this article (particularly when compared with other so-called "bios" in the web) and the unfortunate lack of further details, I'm submitting this for community consideration based on all the work that has been put into improving it and the fact that it has apparently become the broadest Sixto Escobar biography in the net. Thanks to Tony and everyone that cooperated in this task, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 03:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

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Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead
The intro is lacking, the first sentence goes straight into what he was most notable for. Why not state it like "Sixto Escobar was a Puerto Rican professional boxer. He was the country's first world champion."
I expanded these two sentences, how does it look? - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
After gathering a record of 21-1-1 as an amateur, Escobar debuted as a professional in 1931 defeating Luis "Kid Dominican" Pérez by knockout. - link to knockout?
Linked. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
After some fights, he moved to Venezuela due to lack of opponents in his division. - 1)"some fights" is WP:WEASEL 2)add the word 'the' before "lack of opponents"
Reworded. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
There he received an opportunity for the Venezuelan Bantamweight championship, but lost by points. - "by points"? How many and link to what this process means?
Based on the points scored by the judges, I'm adding a link to Unanimous decision. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Some time later he moved to New York and began boxing in other states, eventually capturing the Montreal Athletic Commission World Bantamweight Title. - "some time later" is WP:WEASEL
Reworded. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Early life
Early in his life he moved to Tras Talleres in Santurce, a subsection of San Juan, Puerto Rico. - comma after "life"
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
In Tras Talleres he began developing an interest in boxing and received instruction in said discipline. - comma after "Talleres"
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Although at this time boxing was illegal in Puerto Rico, remote places such as a house’s backyard or rooftops were used to organize clandestine fights without attracting attention from the local police. - comma after "time", change the comma after "Puerto Rico" to a semi colon
Corrected, you certainly have a keen eyes for puntiation errors. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
After several months of instruction, Soto prepared a boxing card with included three-round fights, with each round lasting two minutes. - "with" should be 'which'
Reworded. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
After this Escobar continued fighting in clandestine gyms. - add "match" before this and add a comma after this
Reworded, added combat after "match" (i.e. "After this match, ...") ;-) - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Escobar received his boxing license trough Peñagaricano. - typo on the word through
Corrected. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Professionals would fight Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays which were considered the best days of the week, while amateurs could compete the remaining days of the week without limitations. - comma before which
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
As an amateur he fought in 23 combats, gathering a record of 21 wins, one loss and a draw. - comma after amateur
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Professional
Escobar turned professional on September 1, 1930, in a fight card organized at the Victory Garden gym in San Juan.  - how did he turn professional just by one white? what classified him as a professional?
The rules changed slightly, but the only real difference back then was that pros fought for money. How should we state that? - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
On November 11, 1931, Escobar competed against Enrique Chaffardet for the Venezuelan Bantamweight title, but lost by decision. - 1)title should be capitalize 2)by "decision" makes no sense, how can he win/lose "by decision"?
Unanimous decision of the judges, added a link in the lead. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
After 17 fights he returned to Puerto Rico and competed in five cards. - comma after fights
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
General comment: Some of the boxing terms needs to be linked, like card (sports).
In the meanwhile, Tony Rojas, a friend of his managers Gustavo Jiménez and Arturo Gigante convinced them to release Escobar of the contract which binded them. - comma after "Gigante"
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Since Escobar turned professional while he was still legally minor, his father had has to sign the unbinding agreement. - 1)add "a" before legally 2)remove has (not grammatically correct)
Corrected. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
This was an eliminatory card organized by the Montreal Athletic Commission, which was to determine a contender for their vacant Bantamweight world championship, against first contender Baby Casanova who attended the card. - capitalize world championship and add a comma before who
Corrected. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
This marked Leitham's last fight. Folloing this result, the NBA immediately called for a fight between Escobar and Casanova - since the acronym is in use here, you need to elaborate the acronym earlier like "National Boxing Association (NBA)"
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The fight took place on June 26, 1934, and it was organized in Montreal, Canada. Escobar scored a knckdown in the third round, the fight concluded in the ninth round when Casanova lost by knockout.  - typo on knockdown and replace the comma before the fight concluded with a semi colon
Corrected. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
On August 8, 1934, he defeated Eugene Hart by points in a non-title match organized in Canada. - this needs to be elaborated as to what points mean in the term of boxing or at least linked somewhere
Linked in the lead. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
He spent a month in inactivity while recovering and in the winter he returned to Puerto Rico. - comma before and
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The current governor ordered to have all government buildings closed so that public employees could attend a welcoming ceremony. - this should be "the governor" because he probably isn't the governor anymore, in addition what was his name?
Reworded. I can't really say who it was, the book only says "el governador...", it could have been either Benjamin Jason Horton or Blanton C. Winship. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
On August 7, 1935, Escobar defeated Peter Santol, who was considered Canada's best bantaweight and held the Canadian Boxing Federation & Montreal Athletic Commission world titles, by unanimous decision in 12 rounds. - instead of repeating the names of the companies over and over use the acronym, but elaborate the acronym earlier in the article
Got em'. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
However, Escobar wasn't still considered the division's undisputed champion because Baltazar Sangchili had defeated Panama Al Brown and was recognized by the International Boxing Union. - the still should be before wasn't, remember my note about the acronyms
Corrected. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Wanting to be recognized as such, Escobar pursued an title unification fight against Tony Marino, who had defeated Sangchili by knockout in his previous fight. - "a" not an
Fixed. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Shortly after, he recovered from this loss, he returned to the gym and defeated Johnny Defoe in a preparaty contest. - remove the comma before loss and add "and" before he. Replace the and with a semicolon and add "he" before defeated
Got it. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
After this fight, he received The Ring's bantamweight championship, which was presented by the magazine's editor, Nat Fleischer. - is The Ring Bantamweight Championship the official name, if so, it needs to be capitalized properly
Um, its not really a world championship. But it is a championship of sorts, there is a physical belt that recognizes the holder as the "real" champion. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Death
During this date an activity was presented by Puerto Rico's House of Boxing in the library of the Pabellón de la Fama del Deporte Puertorriqueño. - comma after date
Added. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality: 
Per comments above.
B. MoS compliance: 
Per comments above.
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources: 

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: 

C. No original research: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
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B. Focused: 

Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: 

Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc: 

Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: 
The image in the inofbox is going to need an updated rationale. Also ask the uploader of the statue image to give a rationale for his image.
The statue's image was taken by Tony himself, he e-mailed me a unmodified (without the yellow-ish tint) copy before uploading it here. Thus, the license should be {{PD-self}} or {{self2}} (which is the current one). - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 
Potential GA, but prose problems. Once they are resolved, I can pass.TRUCO 01:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, for some reason all of the nominations are being attended during this week. I will work with it calmy tommorow. - Caribbean~H.Q. 03:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
That's fine. :)--TRUCO 19:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Passing nomination, however, I would still like to see a general copyedit be done. Best, --TRUCO 22:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks man, sorry for the delayed response. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)