# Talk:The Grub-Stake

Nell Shipman: A Case of Heroic Femininity
https://www.newspapers.com/search/results/?date-end=1928&date-start=1921&keyword=%22Grub+Stake%22+%22shipman%22&sort=paper-date-asc Jon698 (talk) 03:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

https://archive.org/details/exhibitors00newy/page/965/mode/1up?view=theater  https://www.filminquiry.com/a-century-in-cinema-10/  https://mubi.com/en/notebook/posts/the-forgotten-nell-shipman-bert-van-tuyle-s-the-grub-stake-1923  https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/movies/the-silent-treatment-yukon-film-society-rescues-a-forgotten-canadian-classic  https://harvester.lib.uidaho.edu/posts/2024/03/28/nell.html  https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/mar/24/100-years-ago-in-spokane-a-crew-member-claimed-to-/  https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/features/nell-shipman-auteur-wild  https://digitallibraryofidaho.org/collections/nell-shipman-collection.html  https://archiveswest.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv03213  https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/mar/07/100-years-ago-in-spokane-dog-team-arrives-for-shoo/  https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/film/striking-gold-with-a-legends-classic-silent-film/article11691497/  https://www.boisestate.edu/library/2024/10/25/library-screens-new-exhibit-for-silent-film-star-nell-shipman/  https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/meet-nell-shipman-girl-from-gods-country-and-silent-film-pioneer-who-fled-hollywood-for-idaho-video-192822/  https://bonnercountydailybee.com/news/2017/oct/31/film-celebrates-a-girl-from-gods-country-7/  https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/forgotten-pioneer-of-silent-era-honoured-at-cinema-festival-f9pg0xnwv  https://www.deseret.com/2003/12/23/19802775/bsu-professor-finds-a-long-missing-film-shot-in-idaho/  https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/feb/14/100-years-ago-in-spokane-silent-film-star-nell-shi/  https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/jan/19/100-years-ago-in-north-idaho-actress-nell-shipman-/  https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/jan/01/as-100th-anniversary-approaches-foundation-plans-t/  https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/dec/02/100-years-ago-in-spokane-a-movie-star-known-for-a-/ Jon698 (talk) 03:55, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-spokane-press/173479669/  https://archive.org/details/texts?tab=collection&query=%22Grub+Stake%22+%22shipman%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221924%22 Jon698 (talk) 21:36, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
https://archive.org/details/texts?tab=collection&query=%22Grub+Stake%22+%22shipman%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221925%22   https://archive.org/details/texts?tab=collection&query=%22Grub+Stake%22+%22shipman%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221926%22  https://archive.org/details/texts?tab=collection&query=%22Grub+Stake%22+%22shipman%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221927%22  https://archive.org/details/texts?tab=collection&query=%22Grub+Stake%22+%22shipman%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221928%22
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1zqrmpg.9 Jon698 (talk) 21:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Grub-Stake/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Jon698 (talk · contribs) 17:03, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Therapyisgood (talk · contribs) 01:08, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

taking. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:08, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

OK. So great job writing a very interesting article.
@Therapyisgood: Just checking in to see if you have any further comments on the page. Jon698 (talk) 23:56, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
Files

Is there any evidence of publication for File:Nell Shipman Promotion.png, File:The Grub-Stake in Spokane.png, File:Nell Shipman cliffhanging.png, File:Nell Shipman's Company.png? The files are under copyright according to the host page. I'm less concerned for File:The Grub-Stake ad.png, because it's an advertisement it's common sense that it would have been published. Therapyisgood (talk) 18:04, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
According to Boise State University the photos were taken in February 1923, 1922, 1922, and 1923 respectively. I also found these images, in lower-quality form, in trade magazines of the time. There were promotional images published in the 1920s and are thus public domain. It is an error on BSU's part. Jon698 (talk) 23:53, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
@Jon698: can you provide links to the trade magazines you found the images in at the Commons? That would assuage my fears a bit. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
It would be difficult to search through all of the trade magazines again, but I did a brief search and found the one for her promotional tour. Page 34 of https://archive.org/details/exhibitorsherald16exhi_0. As you can tell from all of the other images, they are clearly composed and meant to serve as publicity for the film. I hope that the one contemporary source I found is enough to assuage you. Jon698 (talk) 16:07, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
@Therapyisgood: I have added a contemporary source for the Nell Shipman cliffhanging image. Jon698 (talk) 02:57, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
I hope that finding the contemporary releases for half of the images means that Wikipedia:Assume good faith can be applied for the others. Jon698 (talk) 03:01, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
@Jon698: maybe you can cut the two remaining files or find them in old trade journals? Therapyisgood (talk) 13:56, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
@Therapyisgood: I believe that those two images are extremely important to the article. These two photos show us both the people who made the film and the equipment they used. I have shown that Boise State University's claim that two of these images were copyrighted was incorrect. There is no evidence besides that that the others are still copyrighted. Jon698 (talk) 03:45, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
I decided to remove the two images. Additional sources for Nell Shipman's Company.png claim that it is for the short film Trail of the North Wind. I would prefer for The Grub-Stake in Spokane.png to be in the article, but I cannot find the contemporary source at the moment. I believe this should allow the article to advance to GA. Jon698 (talk) 19:08, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Lead

capitalize "Western" per our article
The lead needs a few (ie 2 to 3) sentences on the plot summary highlighting major points.
A total of $180,000 is this in USD? also can you convert to current USD using Template:Inflation?
The lead needs a sentence from the "Reception" and the "Legacy" section.
Infobox

February 24, 1923 date is never cited anywhere in the body
Just saw this is cited and OK. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:18, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
to "Plot" Therapyisgood (talk) 23:51, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
Plot

Link "grubstake" to grubstake on Wiktionary.
but is the subject of mockery due to him believing → but is the subject of mockery because he believes
WP:PLOTSUM suggests a 700 word max for plot summaries. This is under that, so that's very OK.
Cast

looks OK
to "Production" Therapyisgood (talk) 00:13, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

I have attempted to answer your requests in this edit. Jon698 (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
Production

Nell Shipman and Bert Van Tuyle's The Girl from God's Country, cut comma
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US$180,000 (equivalent to $3,381,352 in 2024) you can round this so no false specificity. also don't start a sentence with a number.
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Wellington PLayter are you sure this is how his name is supposed to be?
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22 Alaskan Malamute dogs don't start a sentence with a number.
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They attempted to lien to the negative and final print the second "to" isn't needed.
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They attempted to lien to the negative and final print, but the laboratory denied that she was at the property and she would leave via the fire escape when necessary. this makes absolutely no sense.
I don't know what you mean. The sentence is stating that the laboratory would lie to the people attempting to lien the materials. She would also leave via the fire escape to avoid the people trying to lien it.
to Release Therapyisgood (talk) 15:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
Release

hated the film as they left a showing of the film cut second "of the film"
Done in this edit
(equivalent to $1,384,131 in 2024) please round to nearest thousand at a minimum
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American Releasing went bankrupt before it received money earned from films released after February 1923. awkward sentence, not sure what it means.
The company did not receive any money earned from the films it released after a certain date.
anyone know the box office in the UK or once it was released under the alternative names?
I attempted to find that while writing the article, but nothing showed up. I tried searching through UK newspaper archives and found nothing.
to "Reception" Therapyisgood (talk) 15:04, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

can you clarify which reviews were contemporary and which were more modern takes?
Added years for modern reviews in this edit
Can you find any other sources for this section? It's a bit scant.
The amount of reviews is limited due to the distributor going bankrupt and the financial failure of the film.
to Legacy

A surviving print of the film was discovered in the United Kingdom by the British Film Institute. any idea of the year?
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overall

do you have any evidence this is actually a Western film from a source? All the sources I see call it a melodrama. Therapyisgood (talk) 05:35, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Done in this edit. One modern source calls its a "northern western", but I'm fine with changing it to melodrama. Jon698 (talk) 07:05, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
will do spotchecks after this and a search for more refs. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:09, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Ref spotchecks on refs 4, 34, 38, 41, 46, 29 check out. I feel a sentence of additional commentary could be given from source 41 & 29 since they're longer reviews. Therapyisgood (talk) 05:29, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Done in this edit. Jon698 (talk) 10:37, 8 October 2025 (UTC)