# Talk:Operation Harvest Festival

The German Wiki [1] seems to have slightly more info on the topic, including names for the command-chain involved in the opration. Could someone have a look and translate the missing parts better than I ? Also, the Jennifer Rosenberg article I'v put in bibliography seems good and could be used? -Snorre/Antwelm (talk) 00:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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File:Majdanek - Aktion Erntefest (1943).jpg, header image of this article, is up for deletion at commons. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 20:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Harvest Home Action. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  buidhe 05:28, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Operation Harvest Festival/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) 00:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll pick this up. The least I can do after your efforts at FAC. Gog the Mild (talk) 00:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I have done a little copy editing, which you will want to check.

Thanks! Looks good to me. buidhe 19:14, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
"Ordered by Heinrich Himmler, the aim of the operation was the extermination of Jews who had been pressed into forced labour in the camps which were located in and around Lublin in the General Governorate region of German-occupied Poland. " A long sentence, covering two different topics. Maybe split?
Rewrote
"File:Majdanek concentration camp map.jpg" The old question of what the original source was?
Probably this RS, added to image description.
"Puław" is duplinked.
Done
"2–3 metres (6 ft 7 in–9 ft 10 in) deep and 1.5–3 metres (4 ft 11 in–9 ft 10 in) wide" Optional: I think that your convertions are spuriously accurate and suggest rounding them to the nearest foot. Also "2 metres (6 ft 7 in) wide, and 1.5 metres (4 ft 11 in) deep" later.
Fixed
"to plan the murder operation. The murder operation" The repeat is a little clunky, could you rephrase?
Done
"over the night" → either 'overnight' or 'during the night'.
done
Link nape.
Done
"The speakers were turned on" This comes a little out of the blue. Perhaps a brief explanation that such camps were commonly equipped with public address systems?
The installation of speakers is mentioned in the #Background section, but I have clarified here.
"Jewish prisoners who lived in the settlement outside the camp proper were returned to the camp." When?
Source doesn't say, unfortunately.
Link hiwi. Why the upper case H?
I think Hiwi (volunteer) is capitalized. The training camp is discussed at Trawniki concentration camp#Trawniki training camp, so I linked there.
"At Poniatowa, there were 14,800 Jews at the camp before the massacre" "At Poniatowa ... at the camp ... " One of these seems redundant to me.
Fixed
"with assistants helping them reload their weapons and a bottle of schnapps" Could you look at the phraseology? It reads as if assistants helped reload the bottles.
Rephrased
"Prisoners at labor detachments in nearby Nałęczów and Kazimierz were also killed, after attempting to fight back." I think that this could do with more explanation. Eg, were they Jewish; which camp were they from; "fight back" - against what?
Presumably detachments of Poniatowa; added that information. Zegenhagen does not have any additional detail, and I cannot find more information in RS.
More to follow. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! buidhe 19:14, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
"Cleanup and coverup of the operation was a priority of the Nazi leadership because of Soviet military victories on the Eastern Front." You and I know why A was due to B, but could you briefly explain, for a "typical" reader?
Added info.
What are "lattices"? (Yes, I know, but I suspect few readers will. (Possibly needs a stub writing for it?))
Changed to "grates" and reworded. It didn't occur to me that "lattices" would be too technical.
Another excellent article, as we have come to expect from you. Just a few niggles from me above. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

"and thousands of German soldiers and auxiliaries arrived in Lublin on 2 November for a conference with SS and Police Leader Jakob Sporrenberg, who was in charge of the operation." I think that you mean something like 'and thousands of German soldiers and auxiliaries arrived in Lublin. On 2 November SS and Police Leader Jakob Sporrenberg, who was in charge of the operation, chaired a meeting of their leaders.'
Clarified this
Currently the lead states "Thousands ... arrived ... for a conference with ... Jakob Sporrenberg". That's not what the article says and I don't think that it is what you mean. I think that you mean that a) thousands of SS and police personnel arrived in Lublin. Full stop. And that b) separately SS and Police Leader Jakob Sporrenberg met with their leaders. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
I see what you mean now. Fixed. buidhe 20:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
If the source has no more information on it, then I have an issue with "Prisoners at labor detachments in nearby Nałęczów and Kazimierz were also killed, after attempting to fight back." It seems a bit random. As this is GAN I could just about wave it through - it's not as if its incorrect. But if you want to take this one further, and I hope that you do, then, IMO, you need to take this sentence out or find further information to demonstrate how it is relevant to the article.
That's a fair point. Removed.
Gog the Mild (talk) 19:36, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Promoting. Ping me when it goes to ACR. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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I don't have the extended rights to correct this article myself, but there's a mistaken statement in the "cover up" paragraph. It reads as follows :  

"Afterwards the Jewish prisoners were executed by SS men from Police Battalion 101 in Puławy."
The bataillon 101 is famous is in its own right, specifically for having been made up of police reservists, very ordinary Germans, who nevertheless were involved in many massacres. That ordinary and not ideologically driven people like them could have done that has been the subject of many debates. They definitely weren't "SS men" and this mention should be removed from the article, especially, again, given how famous is bataillon 101.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.97.254.213 (talk) 22:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC) 

The map of District Lublin shows the Kreishauptmannschaft (county) HRUBIESZÓW as KRUBIESZOW (with a K). The Germans sometimes named it Grubeschow but I don't know of any source for the spelling with K. I am a historian at Yad Vashem and researched extensively the deportations from this county. The Germans kept the Polish name HRUBIESZÓW. You can find it in "Amtliches Gemeinde- und Dorfverzeichnis für das Generalgouvernement" https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/Q56TWQMGBWTVEW4O56572JOVMDI7KY5F , also in Baedekers Generalgouvernement (Reisehandbuch 1943) and in many other sources. If you know of any source for the spelling with K you have to name it otherwise it is misleading. Therefore, please correct the map! Moykopf (talk) 09:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Yes, this looks to be a typo. Hrubieszów is the correct name. It would be an easy change if it were an SVG... However, it's a PNG. So, it's harder to change. @Poeticbent is the original author of the image, but has not edited for a few years. @XrysD is a partially-active user, and looks to be the uploader of the base file, and may have the original file to reupload. The misspelling was is introduced here by Poeticbent, who I've emailed.
I am closing this for now. If some time has elapsed and they haven't responded, please reopen the request. Thank you for catching this detail. SWinxy (talk) 04:44, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

can we add in distance. The distance/time is completely lost on people not from Poland.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.198.33 (talk) 02:56, 6 June 2023 (UTC) 

The distance will probably not look like much from a modern days perspective. You can cross all of Poland from west to east in approximately 10h with a modern car. But in the 1940s there were no modern cars and no modern highways, so that even a short-ish distance would take very long. Just imagine they were riding horses to get there. It would have likely taken a few days. Nakonana (talk) 09:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello,
Would like to contribute an image to this article please from my private collection, here is the link to use, thank you:

 huddyhuddy Chat   09:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 Question: Where would you like to add the image? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 Not done for now: No response from requesting editor after 15 days. —Sirdog (talk) 06:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)