# Talk:Russian Protective Corps

What about Russian corps in World War I? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  23:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

There is mention of the Corps being split into two brigades, with a location and commander provided for the 1st brigade. Does Vertepov provide any information on the 2nd Brigade? Cheers, Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 07:12, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

G'day 23 editor. I've splashed the 4th Regiment headquarters positions out to appropriate points in the narrative, but the citation is very general, covering several pages. Could you tighten them up a bit? Cheers, Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 08:55, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't speak a word of Russian. Those bits of info are courtesy of Tomobe03, who brought them to my attention three or four years ago during the GA review (the reviewer was concerned that the article wasn't sufficiently thorough). The link is here  if you want to have a go at it using Google Translate. 23 editor (talk) 15:41, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

There has been a query about whether Shteifon died or was killed. The article currently states he was killed, and it is sourced to Vertepov and Mordwinkin. 23 editor you added these citations, I think, could you please double-check the wording used regarding Shteifon's death? Thanks, Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 23:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

23 editor, I made this query as most Russian-language sources as well as the WP Russian article about him say he died from a stroke, albeit possibly in murky circumstances.Axxxion (talk) 16:26, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
In fact, artcile Boris Shteifon likewise reads: ″...suffered from liver disease, died of a heart attack″.Axxxion (talk) 16:29, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
That factoid would appear to come from Vertepov's book , according to Tomobe03's transcription in 2013. I'm unsure one way or the other since I don't have the book myself. 23 editor (talk) 00:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, 23. I should have checked rather than assumed it was you. So, Axxxion I'm afraid that as we have a reliable source or two here already, and the material in the Shteifon article is unsourced, we will need to stick with what we have for now. Happy to revisit and compare and contrast if reliable sources appear. Cheers, Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 01:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Peacemaker67: Am afraid we cannot verify this statement ″Page 27 specifies that Shteifon was killed while passing through Zagreb″ made by Tomobe03, who apparently withdrew from Wikipedia. There is a number of Russian-language as well as Croatian-language sources on Shteifon: none of them definitely states that the death was coercive, but suicide is suggested. Am trying to source the artcile on him; but i feel that the issue in this one will have to be re-visited.Axxxion (talk) 18:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Retraction: In fact, the book referred to is available online: http://militera.lib.ru/memo/0/pdf/russian/sb_russki-korpus-na-balkanah1963.pdf As i had suspected the relevant text was misquoted (perhaps misundersood): ″При проходе через Загреб, умер к-p К-са ген. Штейфон, и в командование вступил полк. Рогожин.″ (While going through Zagreb, died com-der of the Corps gen. Shteifon)Axxxion (talk) 18:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Peacemaker67: More broadly, such sources cannot be considered RS, as these are memoirs written by participants. But i amnot going to rub in this point as long as we attribute info from such sources explicitly.Axxxion (talk) 18:21, 13 November 2017 (UTC)