# Talk:Scythe (board game)

Recent additions to the article regarding Scythe's digital edition don't appear to be backed by reliable sources, and even these unreliable sources don't support some of what is being said here. As such I will be reverting these edits unless reliable sources are added here shortly. Nwlaw63 (talk) 14:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

The previous source was from BGG, an unreliable source as per the Wikiproject. The only other source I can find for this is a somewhat obscure source named Ludopedia in Portuguese and ranks around 200,000 on Alexa. I am unsure about whether this source is reputable, so if anyone could find a better one that would be great- VickKiang (talk) 07:19, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@VickKiang Did you try asking at WT:PORTUGAL? I can help with Polish sources if you run into any questions there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestion and help! This was posted four months ago, I have deleted the source and replaced it with better refs, so no worries. But thanks for your reply to the post. VickKiang (talk) 22:18, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Scythe (board game)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 15:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 15:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
FYI, and not an issue for GA, you don't have to cite the lead -- everything in the lead should be in the body, and cited there; the lead only has to cite direct quotes and controversial material.  Up to you; it won't have any effect on passing GA.

Thanks,  Done. VickKiang (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
I think the FUR can be improved for File:Scythe-gameplay.jpg.  The copyright owner is not the picture taker, and the two "n.a." entries should be filled out.
@Mike Christie: IMHO it might be done, see here. Do you agree with Piotrus's suggestions, and are there any more? Many thanks again! VickKiang (talk) 01:33, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
What makes the following reliable sources?
justpushstart.com
artstation.com
dicebreaker.com
destructoid.com -- see comments at WP:VG/RS about needing to establish the individual contributor's credentials
That's everything I can see to comment on -- the prose is straightforward and the article is well-structured. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 15:29, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Dicebreaker, according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Board and table games/Sources, is generally reliable, and was discussed on RSN. The rest probably needs more discussion though, I'll start one at BTG WikiProject or RSN. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks -- didn't know about that RS list; will remember that.  I've struck dicebreaker and will wait to hear back on the others. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 02:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 Done for Just Push Start and Destructoid, will need a further look for Art Station. Many thanks for your help! VickKiang (talk) 02:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
@Mike Christie:  Done for Art Station as well. VickKiang (talk) 22:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
OK on artstation.com being removed.  The only remaining issue is the FUR in File:Scythe-gameplay.jpg; it still lists Blue Pumpkin Pie as the copyright owner, but that's not right.  The game manufacturer has copyright, so we just need to substitute the manufacturer -- presumably Stonemaier Games? -- and we're done.  You don't need to wait for BPP to do it; I'll pass this as soon as you make that change.  Re Piotrus's comments: I'm going to pass this without waiting for further discussion -- in my opinion even if I agree with him it's not a requirement for GA, so any remaining suggestions can be handled on the article talk page.  Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 02:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
@Mike Christie:  Done VickKiang (talk) 02:57, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Looks good.  Passing GA. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 10:53, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Few passing comments from me:

can we move the first mention of dieselpunk higher, preferably to development?
"Różalski had focused World of 1920+ on two factions inspired by those of the Polish–Soviet War. " Name the factions for clarity. Also, I find this sentence unclear and not supported by [https://web.archive.org/web/20161114173643/https://magazine.artstation.com/2016/11/jakub-rozalski-scythe/ the source cited. Please revise or provide the quotation from the source that this is used to paraphrase.
I find the heading "Alternate versions" less than ideas. Why alternate? Maybe "other versions"? And add subheadings for the two games discussed (MLP spin off and the digital Scythe game?)
Maybe move reception of the digital game into the main reception section; divide that section with subheadings for reception of board game and reception of video game? But I'd keep the sentence about Iron Harvest in the 'other versions' section, it's not really relevant to Scythe digital edition, and should not be appeneded to the end of the paragraph on reception of said digital edition IMHO.
Both Scythe and My Little Scythe have reviews in Rebel Times [1]. I will add them in shortly (ping me if I forget). Presumably reception of MLS would go in a separate subsection too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
@Piotrus: @Mike Christie: Many thanks:
1st point: IMO it's optional, since the first mention is at lede.
2nd point:  Not done, as Art Station isn't RS, it has been rm, IMHO the mentioning of individual factions is a bit too specific.
3rd point:  Not done for now, IMHO I like the alternate version heading.
4th point:  Done
5th point: @Piotrus: If you add it that would be great for the final one! VickKiang (talk) 22:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't notice that, but no, I think we should have a sentence listing individual factions and their inspirations (real-life counterpart). Iron Harvest does it, and arguably, we could just copy that article's entire "Setting" section here (with minor c/e). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
@Piotrus:  Done with trimming. VickKiang (talk) 08:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Good, but we need a sentence more about other factions, which may not be present significantly in Iron Harvest, but are qually important in the board game (Ukrainian/Crimea, Nordic, and the ones from expansion - UK/Albion, Japanese and Fenris). RS that mentions factions (non-expansion): link. Expansion facon are mentoned here (RS?) or here (RS). Not sure how to deal with the final faction (Fenris) as they are kind of spoilerish and most reviews I scanned through don't clearly name them as such (as it is a mid-campaign game type of reveal). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:44, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
As for the Rebel stuff, I will work on this later this week. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:46, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@Piotrus: @Blue Pumpkin Pie: IMHO I need help with this image, File:Scythe-gameplay.jpg, as I'm not that familiar with Commons, per the GA review at Talk:Scythe (board game)/GA1. But there's issues with n.a. entries. I'm pinging Piotrus and Blue Pumpkin Pie, who've contributed significantly to this article recently. Many thanks, this seems to be done now! VickKiang (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
The N.a. was auto-generated when I submitted the image. Sorry about that. I filled in the respected clauses.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 03:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help! VickKiang (talk) 03:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Blue Pumpkin Pie, thanks for doing that.  Surely the copyright holder isn't you, though; it's whoever owns the copyright on the game itself? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)