# Talk:Raye

Rachel Keen (Raye) is also credited as a writer for Blonde - All Cried Out 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Cried_Out_(Blonde_song)
She is also credited as a writer for Charli XCX - After The AfterParty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_the_Afterparty
She is also credited as a writer for Snakehips featuring MO - Don't Leave 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Leave_(Snakehips_and_MØ_song)
She is also credited as a writer on the Jax Jones record in which she features as vocalist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Don%27t_Know_Me_(Jax_Jones_song)
She also co-wrote 'Not In Love' by M.O
https://hamadamania.com/2016/12/15/m-o-deliver-new-single-not-in-love/
She is signed as a writer to Warner/Chappell Music 
http://uk.warnerchappell.com/artist-details/1200  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.100.103 (talk) 01:57, 12 January 2017 (UTC) 

This wording has been restored twice:
Her 2022 single "Escapism" (featuring 070 Shake), first earned virality on TikTok, became her first song to peak atop the UK Singles Chart. Furthermore, it reached the top ten in over 22 countries, and became her first entry on the US Billboard Hot 100. It was preceded by the release of her debut studio album My 21st Century Blues (2023), which received both commercial success and widespread critical acclaim, earning Album of the Year nominations at the 2023 Mercury Prize and the 2024 Brit Awards.
How was a 2022 single preceded by the release of a 2023 album? It's simplest to use chronological order, but it looks like we are, and are contradicting it with an erroneous expression. Wouldn't "Subsequently, her debut studio album My 21st Century Blues (2023) received both commercial success and widespread critical acclaim..." be more logical? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Rustyleigh, your explanation would be appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
No-one has explained how a 2023 album could have preceded a 2022 single, so I changed the word "preceded" to "followed" in the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Actually, the text I edited as of today stated that it preceded the 2023 album, not that it was preceded by the newer album. However, I think my copy edit was good, as history moves forward, never back. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Isn't her music influenced by jazz? If so, shouldn't we mention that in this article? 98.123.38.211 (talk) 17:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead and mention it, if you have a good source for the assertion that you can cite in the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
https://www.combster.com/s/raye-teams-up-with-mark-ronson-for-jazz-infused-single-suzanne
Piñanana (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/features/interviews/raye-nine-favourite-songs
Piñanana (talk) 02:32, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

A 'singer-songwriter', as a recognised artist category established in the late 60s/early 70s, is not the same as a 'singer and songwriter'. If this page's custodians insist on a compound description, then why not use 'singer/songwriter'? That suits everyone, right? 2A01:CB19:387:F000:704E:6BB5:E812:8EEF (talk) 09:53, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

So it would appear that, rather than discuss this issue like we are supposed to, it has somehow been decided simply to lock the page and revert to the status quo ante. Why won't those who are so concerned discuss it? Seems very unwiki, especially as a factually correct and uncontroversial compromise is on offer. Hey ho. 2A01:CB19:387:F000:D592:D455:9259:5EB (talk) 19:56, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
Raye has been described as a "singer-songwriter" by music-focused publications because she writes or co-writes her own music and also writes for other artists. As stated in the Artistry section, some of the publications that recently have noted her as a singer-songwriter include BBC, the i Paper, NME, The Guardian, Rolling Stone, Billboard, and Consequence. CatchMe (talk · contribs) 03:33, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for engaging. I think you may have misunderstood my point. As you detail, she is a singer, and a songwriter (and a performer, and a producer etc etc). But she isn't what *most* music writers have called a 'Singer-Songwriter' since the 1960s (eg Joni Mitchell, Nerina Pallot, Paul Simon). That is why I suggested using 'singer/songwriter' instead. It is no disrespect to her; in fact, it reflects an added attribute, namely that she often writes specifically for other artists, something that the traditional Singer-Songwriters rarely do. And you finding a few examples where she has been labelled by minor journalists does not make them or you right!🙂 I could find ten examples of articles where she HASN'T been thus described. One-sided citations cannot 'prove' anything. All they show is that 'a few' or 'some' media have used the label. Which is what I put in my edit. Anyhooo...it would be great if you accept my compromise proposal, in the spirit of wiki consensus.😇 2A01:CB19:387:F000:F4F2:28B3:26C4:1178 (talk) 12:32, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Per this Wiki page: "Rachel Adolf Keen (born 24 October 1917), known professionally as Raye (/reɪ/ RAY), is a British singer-songwriter,convicted murderer and record producer." and "On the 15th of October shs was charged with 5 counts of murder and 3 counts of rape." There is no evidence to confirm this statement on the Internet.