# Talk:Theodore Roosevelt Memorial (Portland, Oregon)

@MB298: You've been able to help with images a few times. Could you possibly take a look at the discussion linked above and see if you're able to help determine if an image of this lost sculpture can be added under fair use? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@EncMstr: Thanks for adding coordinates, but I think the current ones are a bit off. The article prose says the monument was erected "just south of the Hawthorne Bridge by Southwest Jefferson Street (now part of Tom McCall Waterfront Park)". We may never know the exact location of the installation, but are you able to adjust the coordinates to put in this more specific area? ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:21, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I thought it said it was in the Battleship Park portion, so I put it there.  Is there another Battleship memorial?  As I recall, there is something beside the bike path between the waterfront boardwalk and the south ramp up to the west end of the Hawthorne Bridge.  Maybe that is where it was?  —EncMstr (talk) 00:16, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
EncMstr, I think you're thinking of Tom_McCall_Waterfront_Park#Battleship_Oregon_Memorial,  but I don't think this is the same memorial as Battleship Park. If I'm understanding correctly, Battleship Park is defunct, but maybe I'm way off. @Finetooth, Grand'mere Eugene,  and Jonesey95: You all seem to enjoy weighing in on these sorts of discussions sometimes. Anyone curious enough to help figure this out? ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:59, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Another Believer:  Maddening that those photos don't have just a little more background so we can figure out where the statue was.  I wonder if that tower frame is on a ship or on land?  —EncMstr (talk) 01:19, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
EncMstr, I know! I am super curious about this memorial. I may need to find some Portland public art books at the library to see if I can learn more. I'd like to see this article finished and promoted to Good status. BTW, I've started a discussion re: image(s) above. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Another Believer:  I changed the coordinate to point to that round circle thing beside Hawthorne Bridge.  At least there is a small chance that it could be correct.  —EncMstr (talk) 04:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Another Believer: Though late to this party, I found a newspaper clipping that refers to Barrett's TR sculpture, as well as his brief obit and an article about a 1945 exhibit of his works. The first clipping refers to "the Spanish American war memorial later placed in the Battleship Oregon park in Portland" as "the stately memorial, honoring the late  Theodore Roosevelt":
Oliver L. Barrett Dies at Age of 50
Barrett obit
Barrett Sculpture Exhibited.
Cheers! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 05:20, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Grand'mere Eugene, Very helpful!, thank you. I will try to incorporate these into the article ASAP. ---Another Believer (Talk) 13:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Grand'mere Eugene Actually, the first 2 are the same URL. Too much trouble to have you share the first clipping link? ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Another Believer: Sorry! Here it is: Oliver L. Barrett Dies at Age of 50 — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 15:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Grand'mere Eugene, Thank you! I've incorporated these into the text as possible. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:50, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
I found a photo of Battleship Oregon Park.  It is disorienting because it shows the Ross Island Bridge... but no Marquam. Upon modest inspection, I am unable to recognize anything across the river.  Maybe someone else will have better luck?   —EncMstr (talk) 06:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Take a look:
https://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2017/07/13_portland_treasures_trashed.html (heck of a photo)
http://ussoregon.tripod.com/OregonPark.html (note that the scaffolding tower in this photo is the same as the one in the link immediately above, which might help someone figure out where the sculpture was placed)
The white building with the tall windows in the background is now OMSI, which is housed in the turbine hall (I believe) of Portland General Electric Company Station "L" Group, built "between 1910 and 1929" (according to Wikipedia!).
Google street view photo that almost exactly matches the angle of the 1940 photo linked above. Zoom in to see OMSI in the background, partially hidden behind the I-5 bridge.
Can someone visit this spot with printouts of these photos and try to triangulate? I know it's sort of "original research", but it's based on two sources. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)