# Talk:The Legend of Zelda (video game)

Hi people! I just came into the possession of an original cartridge of this game. The thing is, it is silver. Distinctively silver. I'll take a photo of it, so you can see with your own eyes.
I tried a google search, but I couldn't find anything substantial, except for a discussion at GameSpot, with a user claiming the same thing. [1]. Does anyone have any info about this? --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 11:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
P.S. In case you were wondering what this might have to do with the article, it might be something worth adding, right? :-)

Possibilities include, but are not likely limited to: it's a custom cartrige (not as likely), it's a rerelease (possible), or the gold paint faded into silver (I lean toward this one). Whatever the case, I would advise that you find out precicely what it is, or it could be called original research. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I would like to see one or two images of gameplay, at the moment there are none, I think would improve article. A small number of low res images would be fair use, it is normal for video game articles. Carlwev (talk) 13:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

There's one on the series article. Would that work?Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 03:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
A screenshot of this game appears in the article about the series, I have added the image to this article as well, and added fair use rational to the image, since someone took it off due to no fairuse stated. I hope it will suffice. I thought it silly we have a screenshot of the game on wikipedia but aren't using it in the game article itself which had no screenshots. I am sure it must come under fair use to use a screenshot of a game in the article about that game itself as well as the series. I hope my wording was OK though. I like the image I think it's fine but I wasn't sure where the pefect place to put it within the article would be or what to write under it, I placed it for now but if anyone can do it better go ahead. Carlwev (talk) 04:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

It's fine now and has a sufficient rationale, but it's best to write the rationale before adding the image to an article, otherwise the image is infringing copyright. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 15:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Members of 4chan are fighting to maintain vandalism done to this article.
They are changing the main character's name from the correct "Link" to "Zelda".
Suggesting a temp lock or something.
70.48.114.249 (talk) 21:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)Lanced jack

I strongly suggest locking this--Jim88Argentina (talk) 22:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I've reported it at WP:RFP. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 22:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I saw it. I wouldn't really trust an IP address when saying it was done by 4chan. All sites like that have wars with each other and blame vandalism on each other. Gune (talk) 21:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw the thread on 4chan, but I can't say they started it.--Jim88Argentina (talk) 23:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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There are two contradictory statements in this article, both of them written in the "Release" section. One of them, source #38, claims that the game was the first NES title to sell 1 million copies. I think this is wrong and it goes against source #34, written earlier in the article, that states that the game was the 2nd NES game to sell 1 million copies. I don't know if I should edit and remove source #38 and its statement from the article, as I do not have access to either sources. What do you guys think?
-Dhyancraig (talk) 17:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I would delete the less reliable source, though I'm not sure which is less reliable. If that's any help. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 04:10, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I just noticed that too!  Both sources seem equally vague and doubtful.  Isn't there an official Nintendo site for the Zelda games that might show some history of it?  Dream Focus 06:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I have the answer to this. It's printed in an old Nintendo Power magazine. Technically, Super Mario Brothers was the first to sell 1 million, but the article said that Zelda was the first independently packaged game to sell 1 million, with their being 4 million NES systems meant that 1 in 4 had Zelda. I can give you the magazine, and page number if you want.--76.235.73.50 (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Nintendo Power in 1988 called it the first to sell 1 million copies, so I guess Nintendo Power is unreliable...2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E4B8:E46B:8:B5BF (talk) 22:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Acutally, issue # 4 of the Nintendo Fun Club magazine states that the Legend of Zelda is the first single title to reach 1 million in sales.2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:449F:EBF8:92DB:B2CB (talk) 05:33, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

So did Nintendo power in 1988 when it talked about the sequel.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:2915:E8BF:7084:D453 (talk) 05:34, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

if you name 2, why not name all 5?
id change that myself but i dont know what the other 3 are --46.114.52.160 (talk) 21:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I would guess that these are the more notable records it set. I understand limiting the list, as listing them all could make the paragraph tedious to read. I didn't think to check, but if there's no reference for it, I'd find one fast. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 04:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I've read multiple times, IMDB being one, where the Legend of Zelda game was based on the movie Legend. There was even an interview of Shigeru Miyamoto where he even said the movie was the inspiration for the game. Why isn't this in the article???--76.235.73.50 (talk) 05:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

IMDB is not an acceptable source, because it's user edited like Wikipedia, so we can't use it. Shigeru Miyamoto, however, is an acceptable source, if you happen to remember where you read that. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 04:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm getting a little tired of reading these assumptions. First, the game and initial movie release in UK only are only 69 days apart (Dec, 1985 to Feb, 1986). Second, Zelda was the largest game of its time. There's no physical way to have developed the game, debug it, script write it, and release it in just 69 days,  not with a game that massive in 1986. So large was it that it was on the new Disk Drive. Until NOA developed battery backup, the game got held off until 1987 (as stated in Nintendo Fun Club magazine). Those are fairy tales to believe that Zelda was based off Legend, it obviously wasn't.2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E4B8:E46B:8:B5BF (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

what if mention Zelda classic?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.229.136.224 (talk) 02:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 

Article mostly deals with Zelda classic already. Be more specific? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC) zelda classic is a pc re-release that comes with mod support while containing the entire game. it was originally released for dos but later got a windows release.84.213.45.196 (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

According to Nintendo's official Zelda timeline they have only ever made one sequel to the Legend Of Zelda, and that is of cause Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link, so although it is tempting to say it spawned "many sequels", that is in fact NOT technically correct. All the other Zelda games are prequels and should be mentioned as such. The game spawned "many prequels", NOT "many sequels". Colliric (talk) 15:41, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

In statements like this, it generally is saying "Sequel" as in following games in a series, not necessarily that the story takes place afterwords. Also, pretty sure that Links Awakening is a direct sequel to A Link to the Past. Does it really not mention it as such? Blake (Talk·Edits) 00:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
That's a side issue, because Link's Awakening is also a prequel to the original game, as well as being a sequel to A Link To The Past. Colliric (talk) 03:33, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Depending on how technical you want to get, there are six games in the timeline that are neither sequel nor prequel to this game. What would be the right terminology for them? In the end, Blake's suggestion seems logical enough and is certainly the least clunky. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
According to the official timeline by Nintendo, they are all prequels, although some are set in alternative timelines(still counted as prequels by Nintendo because they all occur prior to the equivalent time of "The Legend Of Zelda" in the prime "NES" timeline, and Nintendo has begun to merge the alternative timelines, which, if you don't know it yet, is a major plot point of A Link Between Worlds). See Zelda timeline, which is more accurately and clearly represented here. The CD-I spin-offs are not to be counted as Nintendo considers them "apocryphal". Colliric (talk) 06:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
But are you getting what we are saying? It doesn't matter what place it serves in the timeline. If a game is released after another, it is still considered a sequel. If you want to get technical, then yes, you can explain it in more detail, but we don't really need to in every instance. Blake (Talk·Edits) 13:57, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
My point is that it is Nintendo's opinion that counts, and by their own reckoning, they have never done a sequel to "Zelda 2: The Adventure Of Link". That is THEIR official stance. Just as it is THEIR official stance, on another controversial NES topic, that Super Mario Bros. 2 is the legitimate and proper Sequel to Super Mario Bros., despite what some fans think about the game not being "the original game". If that is reflected in that article(which it must be given they are the primary source on deciding what is and isn't the "official" sequel), their own opinion on the Zelda series must also be reflected here. And their opinion, given in the official timeline, is they have only done one plot sequel to Zelda 1, and the rest of the games are all prequels in relation to it.Colliric (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
So we're clear, the argument appears to be over whether we should use the real-world timeline (release dates) or the in-universe timeline when deciding whether this game has numerous sequels or prequels. If the real-world timeline, then the game has a still-growing number of sequels. If in-universe, the game has one sequel, a still-growing number of prequels (I'll count Link Between Worlds as soon as it's released), and a (I hope) still-growing number of alternate timelines stories that I'm not convinced have a proper label. Whichever consensus goes with, I'll support. That being said, who here was claiming that the "Dark Triforce" of the CD-i Zelda games was cannon? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 04:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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There seems to be some misunderstanding on what the proper subtitle is. Some claim the true title is "The Hyrule Fantasy: Zeruda no Densetsu" or "The Hyrule Fantasy: The Legend of Zelda", while others say it's "Zeruda no Densetsu: The Hyrule Fantasy", or "Zelda's Legend: The Hyrule Fantasy". I studied Japanese for 3 years, the latter is correct, as the article correctly states, the proper title is actually "Zeruda no Densetsu: The Hyrule Fantasy" or "Zelda's Legend: The Hyrule Fantasy" as subtitles are written before the title in Japanese. This means the sequel is actually improperly titled "Zelda II: The Adventure of Link" in the article, actually the proper title is "Link's Adventure: The Legend of Zelda 2" as shown on the title screen in the Famicom Disk System version. There needs to be some fixing on the sequel's title.2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:449F:EBF8:92DB:B2CB (talk) 05:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

@SNUGGUMS and Philg88: Yesterday's requested move broke a large number of internal links that previously targeted this article. Izno and I fixed all circular links on the series' article, but shouldn't a bot have fixed the rest? —zziccardi (talk) 17:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

A bot is only smart enough to fix the redirects, not each of the links. --Izno (talk) 17:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
That's what I feared. In that case, I think it's probably best to move the page back to the previous title. Way too many links were broken when The Legend of Zelda (video game) was redirected to The Legend of Zelda for manually disambiguating them to be reasonable. Personally, I don't think including the year in the original game's article name is necessary—the 2016 entry's proper title should be revealed soon enough. —zziccardi (talk) 17:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
It's been a few days and no one's voiced any dissenting opinions, so I'm going to request the page be moved back. —zziccardi (talk) 00:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

This sentence in the third paragraph of the article seems wildly inaccurate. The genre of role playing video games had most certainly been established prior to the release legend of zelda. Ultima_I:_The_First_Age_of_Darkness, as a single example, was published in 1980.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.139.242 (talk) 18:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC) 

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The article contains the following paragraph:

Zelda is often cited as being responsible for the surge of action-oriented computer RPGs released since the late 1980s, such as the Origin Systems game Times of Lore.[69] The Legend of Zelda series would continue to exert an influence on the transition of both console and computer RPGs from stat-heavy turn-based combat towards real-time action combat in the following decades.[70] When it was released in North America, Zelda was seen as a new kind of RPG with action-adventure elements, with Roe R. Adams (who worked on the Wizardry series) stating in 1990 that, although "it still had many action-adventure features, it was definitely a CRPG."[71] In more recent years, however, there has been much debate regarding whether or not The Legend of Zelda qualifies as an action RPG.[72]

This paragraph doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Most of the computer RPG's that were released after Zelda were still turn-based. Furthermore, the only computer RPG for which there's any real compelling argument to be made that it was inspired by Zelda is Times of Lore. The earliest computer action-RPG's were first-person dungeon crawlers, which are obviously completely different from Zelda. What's more, this style of RPG goes back to early 80's titles like Dungeons of Daggorath, which predate Zelda by many years.
Let's look at the various styles of computer RPG's:
-turn-based RPG's: Wizardry, Might and Magic, Fallout, various Ultima games, the Gold Box series and other SSI RPG's.
-first-person action RPG's: Dungeon Master, Eye of the Beholder, Ultima Underworld, Elder Scrolls, Deus Ex.
-real-time with pause RPG's: Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment.
-hack-and-slash RPG's: Diablo and its many clones.

Not only are none of these similar to Zelda, but a majority of them predate the first Zelda game. That's the issue with this paragraph: while it has plenty of references (although almost none of them can be checked), it doesn't actually provide any examples of games that Zelda supposedly influenced, with the sole exception of Times of Lore.
And of course, Zelda is not an RPG itself, so how it could have meaningful influence on other RPG's?
I suggest removing this paragraph entirely.
Kreyghun (talk) 13:32, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

To say that The Legend of Zelda did not influence RPGs and specifically CRPGs is a blasphemous notion. Zelda not only created the sole consumer interest in open-world RPGs, but it pioneered the genre with its open-world format, interchangeable weapons and dungeon-based gameplay. Yes, CRPGs specifically continued to have turn-based elements, and that is specifically reflected in the succeeding sentences. The references are very reliable, and of course have been checked over, and the statement "Zelda is not an RPG" is a subjective statement that the paragraph itself goes over. No matter what you believe, you need to discredit the actual reference, not just blank the paragraph citing incorrect information, to get the paragraph removed. ~ P*h3i (talk to me) 21:32, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
But Zelda did not invent the 'open-world format, interchangeable weapons and dungeon-based gameplay'. According to Miyamoto, Zelda itself was influenced by computer RPG's that had implemented those things more than half a decade prior, most notably the Ultima series. Moreover, the paragraph specifically cites Zelda as fueling the shift towards real-time action computer RPG's underwent, which, as I pointed out, is obviously false. And no, Zelda is not an RPG. It has no character progression. If we are to label Zelda as an equipment, then we should label every action game where you acquire items and powerups as RPGs. And those references are completely subjective. As I pointed out, computer RPG's that were influenced by Zelda are almost non-existent. How can I discredit something that doesn't exist? Here is the book excerpt specifically mentioning Ultima's influence (note that the Black Onyx, another influence on Zelda, was also made by a western computer RPG developer): https://books.google.nl/books?id=GBXqCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=miyamoto+zelda+ultima&source=bl&ots=veBbd54vDI&sig=HyuWqYVSvgRz2lR_FHJEc80TOyM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZlZvlrJvZAhWsAcAKHSSwCZAQ6AEIajAM#v=onepage&q=miyamoto%20zelda%20ultima&f=false Kreyghun (talk) 12:26, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
You've completely misquoted me. I *never* said Zelda invented those things, but it's clear to say that the game definitely popularized it amongst both the consumer base and other developers. The notion that Zelda does not have character progression is completely false as well, Link as the protagonist grows stronger over the course of playing the game. I would definitely say that Zelda has certainly innovated and popularized the open-world genre, and while there were definitely ones before it, including some notable ones like Ultima, Zelda definitely was the most popular and as a result was the most influential, both in sales and recognizability. However, I understand your point and I suggest to add to the article discussing the game's predecessors. Additionally, you really need to remember to follow Wikipedia guidelines, specifically WP:CIVIL and WP:GOODFAITH. There is no use in insulting people, reverting edits without consensus being reached, or not reading others' additions properly. Also, forgot to mention (sorry if this causes an editconflict, "RPG" doesn't necessarily mean much; it discerns that the player plays a role in the game. The term's purpose is to umbrella into different terms; turn-based RPG, open-world RPG, Japanese RPG, etc. ~ P*h3i (talk to me) 12:44, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
That's not what character progression in an RPG is about. Link grows stronger by finding stuff. In an actual RPG, you create a character, assign their stats and skills and that character then grows stronger by improving those stats and skills. Zelda is simply not an RPG, otherwise we should label thousands of action games where you find upgrades as RPGs. You have yet to mention how Zelda supposedly innovated the open-world formula. And you have yet to address my main point, which is that Zelda didn't meaningfully influence computer RPG's. The article mentions numerous Japanese console RPG's Zelda influenced, but it can only name a single computer RPG it influenced, Times of Lore. It claims computer RPG's shifted towards real-time because of Zelda, but in actuality most remained turn-based. Why are you defending this? THESE ARE BLATANTLY FALSE FACTS. This paragraph simply doesn't hold up under any sort of scrutiny and should be removed. Kreyghun (talk) 13:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Ok, first of all, you need to remember WP:GOODFAITH. I don't appreciate being shouted at, I am not your "enemy" in any way, we are simply having a discussion about whether something belongs in an encyclopedia. The term "RPG" does not fit your definition, nor it fits anyone's; "RPG" is often cited from things like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, but also things like The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and the like. These games also applicable as both action-adventure games and RPGs. Not all RPGs must have numeric-based statistics where characters earn experience. The idea that "Zelda is an RPG" is an extremely subjective and debated matter and thus should not be a point of your argument. Also, I meant that Zelda popularized the open-world format, that is something undeniable. I believe that this paragraph should be re-written to not say that Zelda inspired new non-turn-based RPGs, but rather state that its sales and recognition kept the genre alive. I believe that is a good compromise. (Also please remember to format your replies correctly. To reply to a thread, please put the preceding amount of colons plus one to the start of your paragraph. Also please remember that apostrophes are for property assignment, not for pluralization. RPGs not RPG's.) ~ P*h3i (talk to me) 13:35, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
But Zelda didn't keep computer RPG's alive. Computer RPG's faced a major decline in the 90's and the genre almost died out. As I said, the idea that Zelda influenced computer RPG's is absurd and not collaborated with any games, with the exception of a single one, Times of Lore. Furthermore, your argument seems to be that there's nothing wrong with the paragraph because it has references. But it's very much possible for references to be factually incorrect. For instances, one of these references describes Zelda as a 'computer RPG', yet Zelda didn't appear on the computer, so how can it be one? It's obvious to anyone with a passing knowledge in the history of RPG's that Zelda didn't have a meaningful influence on computer RPG's. What is happening here is an obvious agenda on the part of Nintendo fans to inflate the importance of Zelda. If you look back in the history of the article, I recently removed several parts of this article that turned out to be complete lies (as in, the references listed turned out to be talking about something else entirely), all done with the goal of inflating Zelda's influence and reception. Think about that: someone went out of their way to find false references to paint Zelda in an even more positive light.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kreyghun (talk • contribs) 16:50, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
You have convinced me; consensus has been reached and the paragraph will be reverted. But, I will warn you that partaking in Wikipedia editing means there are to be no biases assumed, nor not assuming good faith. I am DEEPLY offended that you think I would sully the quality of this encyclopedia by spreading false facts just because I have some kind of imagined secret agenda. If you continue to discuss with other users like this, it would most likely get yourself banned. From your contributions, I can see you're a relatively new user, so it's important to excuse you for things like this, but you must remember to adhere by WP:GOODFAITH at all times, and most importantly, click "Show preview" so I don't have to format your additions to talk pages for you. ~ P*h3i (talk to me) 17:09, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
It should be noted that genre history articles such as Action role-playing game still largely consist of banned user User:Jagged 85's work, and that ban was precisely for the reason that we're discussing here, the blatant misuse of sources to push an agenda. So I would be suspicious any time you see an undue claim on Wikipedia regarding Japanese games' influence, especially if they make claims of being an "early example" of something (Jagged's favorite phrase.) Phediuk (talk) 22:35, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I just noticed that there is no mention of the famous line of dialogue "I AM ERROR," commonly thought by stupid westerners to be an actual error but no, the man is just saying that his name is Error. This is unacceptable. Let us vote and decide wether or not this line of dialogue should be there or not. 
Thank you, 
Jason Funderburker  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.127.166.26 (talk) 22:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC) 

Because it didn't appear in the first Zelda Game, it was from the second one!!!--Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 02:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I see now that you are correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.127.166.26 (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2018 (UTC) 

Where can I get a map of the Legend of Zelda original game? I can't seem to find the dungeons.

Excuse me since Megaman 1 and 2 has the Japanese famicom box art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_(video_game) Including Metal gear which has the Japanese MSX box art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_2 including Metal Gear 
Is it okay we can include the Japanese The legend of Zelda  famicom Disc System box art : https://photos.wowroms.com/emulators-roms-logo/24/58841/420-420/Zelda+no+Densetsu+-+The+Hyrule+Fantasy+(Japan)+(v1.0)-image.jpg   in this Wikipedia page? 

--Belrien12 (talk) 16:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think the Legend of Zelda was the first game with a built in save feature. Family basic was released with a battery backup in 1984. In 1985, the super cassette vision game Pop & Chips had a built in level editor which can be saved with batteries. Penguin Land (which had a level editor feature) was released on the JP Sega Master System on 8/18/87 four days before the USA launch of Zelda on the 22nd. Raikusu (talk) 19:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! I found a better shot of the original Zelda NES cartridge here: http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Wiki/index.php?title=File:Legend_of_Zelda,_The_-_NES_-_Gold_Cartridge.jpg but I am unsure as where the file originated from and if I can post it on Wikimedia Commons. Could someone please help me out? NintenBOUND (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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