# Talk:University of the Philippines Los Baños

I'm assuming that Moray An Par's revisions are well-meaning, but his/her english is very bad. I've been trying to undo his/her edits but couldn't. Can anyone help?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajesg (talk • contribs) 02:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC) 

I restored my edits. (Sorry for restating this again, I know I've already posted on your talk page) Can you please give the instances where the construction was bad?
The previous version was actually worse (in terms of consistency with the source). It gives the wrong number of faculty and students (different from the one it's citing). It also cites the Ramon Magsaysay awards page lots of times in the history section. However, the page doesn't include any of those claims. Hilario's 100 Years is a better source. Moray An Par (talk) 06:53, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi. The composition wasn't tight and there were too many points being crammed in one sentence e.g. "Founded as the University of the Philippines College of Agriculture (UPCA) by American botanist Edwin Copeland on March 6, 1909, it became one of the, currently, seven autonomous constituent units of the University of the Philippines System on November 20, 1972 by effect of Presidential Decree (PD) No. 58 of President Ferdinand Marcos." This sentence alone uses 52 words.
The history section has been crammed with photos.
Try benchmarking with other universities that have attained GA Class in Wikipedia, such as Yale University. The sentences it uses are clear, crisp and to the point. Photos also complement, rather than crowd, the page.
However, I agree that the page needs to be updated to reflect newer events and sources.
So I make this appeal to you: revert the page to the old version, and do the revisions one at a time to give everybody the opportunity to make the necessary comments. I apologize if you were offended by my earlier post; I was simply surprised with the amount of changes that took place in a span of two days (which I admit is still a lame excuse for being offensive). But I also hope you'll allow constructive criticism from other users. - Ajesg

Ok will do. I'm sorry if I sounded confrontational. Hahaha. Reverting it to the old version. Will fix it by the weekend. Moray An Par (talk) 10:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi! What do you mean by giving "the wrong number of faculty and students (different from the one it's citing)" ? On page 2 of the cited document, you can find the TOTAL NUMEBR OF ENROLLED STUDENTS last 2009 [10,688] but this includes the GRADUATE STUDENTS (a.k.a. postgraduates) [1,071] hence the difference should be [9,617] UNDERGRADUATES... the 'graduate' column in that table refers to THE NUMBER OF GRADUATED STUDENTS that year, not the number of enrolled graduate students in GS, thats why the title of the table says "Enrollment and GRADUATION profile of UPLB...". While the number of faculty is on page 6 of the same document [817]. The years had to be included since they are no longer current data, but of the most recent available data released/available to the public.
I would have to agree with Ajesg that we need to benchmark with other university articles (though there's one in particular that I've always looked up to, the UC Berkeley article....) Meynardtengco (talk) 04:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Would love to hear your thoughts in this discussion, Sir Meynard. Wikipedia talk:Tambayan_Philippines#UPLB_colleges_redirection — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alternativity (talk • contribs) 05:25, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Already wrote down my thoughts (and apparently some of my emotions... ughhh)... thanks for the heads up Sir! -- Meynardtengco (talk) 06:25, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Ah. I see. I didn't notice the title of the table there. Haha. Btw, I'm changing the article now. I've now condensed/partitioned the longer sentences, and removed the photos of less relevance. Much of the construction/wording is still the same, so, being the wiki that this is, just change/improve on it as you see fit. However, I do not recommend on reverting it again to the old version, as it was very inconsistent with its source (the Magsaysay page). (And IMO, the lead section sounds to promotional for me) I plan to include a campus map by the weekend (or whenever I finish it). Moray An Par (talk) 06:38, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
It seems that way (promotional) because it lists down reasons for notability, provides overview and emphasis. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(lead_section) -- Meynardtengco (talk) 06:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
So do you recommend restoring this:
UPLB alumni have been recognized in a wide range of fields. Notable ones include national scientists,[12][13] United Nations IPCC members (winner of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize),[14] Ramon Magsaysay awardees,[15] fellows of the Academy of Sciences for the Developing World,[16] academicians of the National Academy of Science and Technology,[17] business leaders, government officials and artists.[18]
to the lead? Moray An Par (talk) 06:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
If it establishes interest as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(lead_section)#Introductory_text, its not overly detailed or specific, but emphasizes the fact that its the UPLB alumni that brought notability to the university -- Meynardtengco (talk) 06:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Well then, just add it to lead or do whatever that makes it more interesting/factual. I'll be out now. I still have classes on 3pm. Moray An Par (talk) 06:52, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Sure there are issues with the RMAF link, but won't it be more constructive to take out the referencing in statements where that link is not relevant and look for alternative references to prove or disprove such claim/statement? - Meynardtengco (talk) 08:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


### Your Edits
I'm placing this in here, for proof reading (re: construction, as Ajesg has stated) Meynardtengco (talk) 07:43, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Before
The University of the Philippines Los Baños (commonly referred to as UP Los Baños, UPLB, or, informally, Elbi) is a public research university located in the towns of Los Baños and Bay in the province of Laguna, Philippines, some 64 kilometers southeast of Manila. Founded as the University of the Philippines College of Agriculture (UPCA) by American botanist Edwin Copeland on March 6, 1909, it became the first autonomous constituent unit of the University of the Philippines System on November 20, 1972 by effect of Presidential Decree (PD) No. 58 of President Ferdinand Marcos.[3]
The university has played an influential role in Asian agriculture and biotechnology due to its pioneering efforts in plant breeding and bioengineering focusing on the development of high-yielding and pest resistant crops. In recognition of this, it was awarded the Ramon Magsaysay Award for International Understanding in 1977. Also, it is host to a number of institutions in the field of agriculture, such as the International Rice Research Institute (IRRI) and the Southeast Asian Regional Center for Graduate Study and Research in Agriculture (SEARCA)[4]
UPLB offers degree programs in the natural sciences, engineering, formal sciences, social sciences and liberal arts through its nine colleges and two schools.[5] As of October 2010, the Philippines' Commission on Higher Education (CHED) has accredited eight programs as Centers of Excellence and two as Centers of Development.[6][7][5] The Professional Regulation Commission also recognizes UPLB as a top performing school based on passing rates in professional licensure exams.[8][9]

I just did some minor revisions to make it clearer, and added some info on PD 58. I removed the full dates, leaving only the years for brevity. Also added some of the other notable foreign research institutes. It would be great if we could put a sentence re: notable alumni, including the number of awardees e.g. 15 national scientists, 2 ramon magsaysay awardees, 10 palanca awardees, etc. Ajesg (talk) 08:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
For the history section, I improved the overall composition and flow, and removed the paragraph re: large class policy. I just don't think it's a notable event. If you think otherwise, I'd like to hear from you. Ajesg (talk) 09:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
I also removed the "research university" tag because the Philippines doesn't have such a classification system. In the US, they follow the Carnegie Classification which tallies the research output, no. of PHDs, etc. Ajesg (talk) 05:29, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a notable event considering that it concerns change in mode of instruction and, it was news headlines for weeks last year (the issue was controversial about the same time that it was announced that UP budget would be cut, PUP students burned their desks, and the UPLB chancellor was thrown paint balls). Speaking of controversial, I think of it as something like the Melbourne Model (University of Melbourne). Actually, the article was the reason I included the LLCP issue in the lead. And also, it would be to good if the last history entry is dated 1970 something. UPLB didn't stop making history 40 years ago. I actually plan on researching more recent historical events on UP by this weekend, and include the centennial celebrations in the history section. But if you insist, we can just put the LLCP issue in the academics section.
Also, I think "It was under his term (in 1929) when the country's first ethanol fuel road test was conducted by UPCA engineers using a 1929 De Sotto de Luxe sedan that ran on 10% ethanol.[20]" would be better off in the research section. Moray An Par (talk) 06:00, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah a paragraph on recent history covering 1970-2011 would be great, and we can mention something about the large class size "controversy" there, along with other noteworthy events. Re: ethanol road test, I'd rather have it in the history section since it's a groundbreaking event for UPLB and the country. Besides, the R&D section only covers existing facilities/efforts. What do the others think? Ajesg (talk) 08:58, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok. I'll restore the LLCP paragraph now. I'll try including more recent events when I get the time to research by this weekend. The R&D section should not be limited to recent innovations. Moray An Par (talk) 09:31, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Another thing, the R&D section should look less of a list. Moray An Par (talk) 09:35, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


### The lead section
The University of the Philippines Los Baños (commonly referred to as UP Los Baños, UPLB, or, colloquially, Elbi) is a public research university located in, mainly, Los Baños and adjacent town of Bay in the province of Laguna, Philippines, some 64 kilometers southeast of Manila. Founded as the University of the Philippines College of Agriculture (UPCA) by American botanist Edwin Copeland on March 6, 1909, it has been one of the, currently, seven autonomous constituent units of the University of the Philippines System since November 20, 1972 by effect of Presidential Decree (PD) No. 58 of President Ferdinand Marcos.
Issues:

- UP Los Baños and UPLB are official names (short name and acronym) not just common names.
- colloquially = commonly referred to
- "located in, mainly" (awkward construction)
- "has been one of the, currently" (awkward construction)
The university has played an influential role in Asian agriculture and biotechnology due to its pioneering efforts in plant breeding and bioengineering focusing on the development of high-yielding and pest resistant crops. In line with this, it was awarded the Ramon Magsaysay Award for International Understanding in 1977 for playing part in "modernizing Southeast Asian Agriculture". Also, it is host to a number of institutions in the field of agriculture, such as the International Rice Research Institute (IRRI) and the Southeast Asian Regional Center for Graduate Study and Research in Agriculture (SEARCA), and . Moreover, the Philippine Commission on Higher Education recognizes the university as a "center of excellence" in the fields of agriculture, agricultural engineering, biology, chemistry, communication, forestry, mathematics, information technology and veterinary medicine, and a "center of development" for statistics.
Issues:

- prior to the major overhaul by Joe_fob (who is now missing), it was a major issue that the lead paragraph mentions a lot of info that is also included in the main body (history) of the article
- there are two COD's
- not a good idea to enumerate the COE's and COD's, also, they're in the body of the article already!
- "In line with this" infers that the preceding statement was the exact reason for the award, albeit an independent statement
- coherence issue with paragraph
UPLB is known for being the largest constituent of the system in terms of land area, and fervent student activism, a UP trademark. And in the recent years, this has been particularly active due to series of budget cuts, consequent tuition fee hikes, and the controversial implementation of the Large Lecture Class Policy since 2010, which, in effect, increased the traditional 25- to 40-student class to 120 to 175 students per class.
Issues:

- paralellism: being the largest.... vs. fervent student activism
- construction: "this has been ...(up to)... students per class" - simply put - "due to issues regarding budget, tuition fee hikes, and administration policy"
- LLCP issue has been mentioned in the history section. Why mention in the lead???
- coherence and transition issue


### your version of the UPLB history
The University of the Philippines Los Baños was originally established as the University of the Philippines College of Agriculture on March 16, 1909 by the UP Board of Regents, the highest governing body of the university, with American botanist Edwin Copeland as its first dean. However, classes only started on June 1909 with 4 professors, including Copeland, and 12 students. Graduate degrees were first awarded by the college in 1913. Seventeen years later, the first woman from the university, Victoria Mendiola, graduates.
The advent of the Second World War proved itself to be difficult times for UPCA. Upon the Japanese occupation of the Philippines, UPCA was converted into an internment camp for Allied nationals, and headquarters of the Japanese army. Due to this, it was forced to close. For three years, the university was home to more than 2,000 civilians, mostly Americans, that were captured by the Japanese. In part of the efforts to expel the Japanese presence in the country, the US Army sent 130 11th Airborne Division paratroopers to Los Baños, and rescued 2,147 internees. Only 4 paratroopers and 2 Filipino guerillas were killed in the process. However, the Japanese returned two days later, destroyed many UPCA facilities, and massacred 1,500 Filipino civilians in Los Baños soon afterwards.
UPCA became the first unit of the University of the Philippines to open after the war when it resumed classes on July 25, 1945, with Leopoldo Uichangco as dean. Only 125 (16%) of the original students enrolled. The School of Forestry suffered worse; only 9 students enrolled. The faculty was understaffed too. Only 29 (39%) and 9 teachers came back to teach at the College of Agriculture and School of Forestry, respectively. Using the college's ₱470,546.00-share in the Philippine-US War Damage Funds (released in 1947), post-war efforts were concentrated into reconstruction.
In 1946, Obdulia Fronda-Sison, the first summa cum laude of UPCA, graduates. 1951 saw the increased involvement of women in the college. Two women enrolled in the School of Forestry, becoming the first women to do so, and the BS Home Technology was instituted, a program which particularly attracted women into the college. Aside from this, general enrollment also greatly increased. Just 11 years after the reopening, undergraduate enrollment reached 3,453.
Further financial endowment from United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and Mutual Security Agency (MSA) grants allowed construction of new facilities while scholarship grants from, mostly, the Rockefeller Foundation and the International Cooperation Administration-National Economic Council paved way for the training of UPCA faculty. From 1947 to 1958, a total of 146 faculty members had been granted MS and PhD scholarships in US universities.
In July 1, 1952, UPCA signed a contract with Cornell University regarding assistance for post-war development. Cornell sent 51 professors, 35 of which are from Cornell, to assist with UPCA research. Cornell also lent financial assistance for the construction and equipment of facilities. In turn, UPCA sent 83 of its faculty to the USA and other countries for training. Among them is Dioscoro Umali who was conferred a PhD in genetics at Cornell. He would succeed Uichanco as dean upon his death on October 1959. His administration oversaw the creation of IRRI, SEARCA (of which he was first director), and the Department of Food Science and Technology, and the implementation of his Five-Year Development Program (FYDP), a massive construction program for the college.
The first draft for UPCA's autonomy from University of the Philippines Diliman was first submitted to President Ferdinand Marcos in October 14, 1972. Among the cited reasons for autonomy were the "disapproval of several curricular proposals from [UPCA] Los Baños that were within the operational areas of the College of Arts and Sciences in [UP] Diliman", and alleged Diliman's acts of withholding UPCA's budget. In fact, the draft was not only asking for autonomy, it was a draft of "a Presidential Decree for seceding from UP", turning the College of Agriculture into a university completely devoted to agriculture and allied fields. Among those in support of the move, Presidential Commission to Survey Philippine Education Chairman Onofre Corpuz said that secession "could help achieve the goals of the New Society [referring to Marcos's regime] in agrarian reform and in agricultural and rural development."
However, UP President Salvador P. Lopez strongly opposed the idea. And in fact, according to a survey conducted at UPCA, "there was very little support for complete independence." As compromise, Salvador moved to turn UP into a system composed of autonomous constituents. And, finally, in November 20, 1972, UPCA was inaugurated by effect of PD No. 58 as the University of the Philippines Los Baños.
In 2010, Chancellor Luis Rey Velasco's administration oversaw the implementation of the Large Lecture Class Policy (LLCP). The policy sees itself as instrumental to increasing the "absorbative capacity" of the university by more than 500 students, and as a more efficient way of instruction. In effect, it has increased the traditional class of 25 to 40 students to a much larger 120 to 175 per class, and has since caused widespread protest from the UPLB community.
Major Issue:

- A lot of important details regarding the growth of UPCA into UPLB were left out in favor of more unecessary details on certain highlights... and still have space for a particular current issue?
Ok. I've taken note of your concerns. About the major issue, if you are referring to the growth/evolution/creation of departments within the UPCA/UPLB, wouldn't it be better put as a table enlisting the departments/unis in order of age (similar to the University of Michigan article) in a "Organization and administration" section in the article? Also, it wouldn't harm editing the article yourself rather than simply reverting it. Moray An Par (talk) 10:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
If you were also referring to the technological innovations that were omitted in this version, I believe that it would be better put in the academics section - research subsection (just like the University of Michigan article, which, in fact, I've been using as format). I am now editing the article. Your concerns about the lead has been addressed. Some of the old paragraphs/content were restored. As for the history section, none much changed aside from less pictures. I purposely condensed the Los Banos raid story, and made mention of the first women graduates/students as suggested by WP:UNIGUIDE. Considering that I've already addressed your concerns, please do not rollback it to the old version. I predict that you'll still have problems with the article, but just edit/proofread/discuss them as you wish, considering that these are quite minor, and will mostly concern construction and not much of the factual accuracy of the article. Moray An Par (talk) 13:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Oh I just remembered to tell you now. If I missed something out in the history section ("important details regarding the growth of UPCA into UPLB") then just add or restore that part as you wish, or discuss it here. :D Moray An Par (talk) 13:54, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
If you had problems with the article's referencing and how up to date it was then you should have addressed that in the first place and "then just add or edit that part as you wish, or discuss it here" improving on that rather than overhauling how the entire article was written making its style worse. -- Meynardtengco (talk) 14:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Although I was not referring to it, the creation of other units can be tabulated like what you've seen in UMich's article. Seeing that colleges have their own articles, that would be better. Some of those important details include the term of Bienvenido Ma. Gonzales and the developments in the college during his time and his UP Presidency as well as the parallel growth of the then School of Forestry, and the transfer of CVM. Yes, I will no longer revert you edits since you've addressed the concerns, I don't know about the other authors though... might as well build on your overhaul rather than having this edit war leaving the UPLB article half baked. Might I suggest that you could also ask for some critical input from Ma'am Macie or Sir Butch (seeing that you are in our department). I trust that they have a good grasp of good writing style, although I'm not sure if they have time and familiarity with details of UPLB's history and notable facts. -- Meynardtengco (talk) 15:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I would like to hear your opinions about it, especially about the design. Would you like to see the compass rose changed? I tried my best not to make it look like a shuriken. Would you like to see another font used? I used Times New Roman for the title (the UP Brandbook uses Times New Roman for UP logotypes), and Segoe UI for labels. Directions that are not necessarily road names are in italics. I color-coded the buildings. Would you prefer another color scheme? I used the dominant color of the college logos of CDC, CA, CAS, CHE and CVM. I randomly selected colors for the rest. Non-UP units are in black. Just to make sure, ACCI, Philippine Carabao Center, and Post-Harvest Training and Research Institute are independent of CA, right? Dormitories are in brown. Landmarks are marked by a star. What other shape would like the marker to be? Did I miss a landmark?
Most of the CVM buildings are still unlabeled, as I do not know what the names of those buildings are (or what departments/offices do they house). I am still to verify the name of the seedling house of the department of horticulture, and the name of the road behind the CA heritage tower. I doubt that I'll go to CVM just to know the names of the buildings. Haha. I'm feeling lazy to do that. So just tell me what the names of those buildings are, that is if you know of course.
I opted not to include IRRI, some of the remote parts of animal science, engineering and forestry. I tried to make the map as rectangular shaped as possible so that it can be better displayed in the map. I was thinking of putting forestry and engineering as a minimap (a map within the campus map; similar to US maps displaying Alaska and Hawaii). What do you think?
This was made in Inkscape and based on satellite images (Google maps) of the campus. Moray An Par (talk) 05:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I just knew a while ago that animal science is an institute not a department. I'll change that for the next version. Moray An Par (talk) 06:07, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Input and comments already in Wikimedia - Meynardtengco (talk) 06:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I realize there's already a UPLB Campus article. Maybe the map should be placed there and a link to that article, thumbnail/compressed version, and condensed description would have to be included in this article. - Meynardtengco (talk) 07:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah a thumbnail of the map that links to the UPLB Campus page would be appropriate. I suggest that you put the forestry/irri portion as inset. The map also needs to be accompanied by a section on the UPLB campus (e.g. Up_diliman#Campus). I think a panoramic shot of freedom park would also be a good fit for UPLB's main page.Ajesg (talk) 09:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok. I already left my reply at Commons. I didn't know that the UPLB campus has its own article. Yes, I'm planning to include links on the image once it's posted on the article, and as I've said before, a "campus" section will be included in the article. I'll try searching for panoramic freedom park pictures that are licensed in Creative Commons in Flickr. I could take them myself, yet again, my camera is broken. :( Moray An Par (talk) 09:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
There. After hours (due to shitty internet connecton) of attempting to upload it. I'll be posting it on the article shortly after I've done the campus section. PS. It should have changed now. If you can't notice the diff, reload the image. Moray An Par (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 13:06, 26 March 2011 (UTC). 
Can some help me find a reliable source stating that this is the largest campus in the Philippines/Asia? I know it is but the search results that come up are always blogs. Moray An Par (talk) 14:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

http://ovcre.uplb.edu.ph/index.php/about-uplb-rde/resources-for-research-extension/9-facilities-equipment-and-library-resources is the article reference for its campus size of 14,665 ha. It says:

The Makiling Forest Reserve (4,224 ha) and the three land grants, namely, La Carlota in the province of Negros Occidental, Siniloan (5,719 ha) and Paete (3,336) in the province of Laguna comprise 13,567 ha or 92.52% of the total land area. These vast tracts of land rich in flora and fauna are used as experimental areas for research.
The statement is quite confusing. It mentions of three land grants yet only identifies two of them. It is possible that this is a typographical error. http://lgmo.uplb.edu.ph/index.php/about/history says that the other land grant, Laguna-Quezon Land Grant, is 6,765.4 ha in size. and the size of the Paete land grant  is 3,435.4 ha in conflict with the claim of the link above. Also when you add the mentioned land grants of the first link, the number that comes up is 13,279 ha (318 ha less than 13,567 ha). So does that imply that the third umentioned land grant (which must be the La Carlota one) must be 318 ha in size? That can't be right.
We can assume that the size of the Reserve is correct (http://up.edu.ph/content.php?r=2&c=21 supports this). If we add this with the value of the Laguna-Quezon and Paete land grant from the second link, the value is 14,424 ha (almost equal to the campus size of the first link). Does that mean, assuming that 14,665 ha is the real size of the campus, that the size of the La Carlota grant + main campus is 241 ha? If we assume that this is true, and have an external source which can tell us the size of the La Carlota grant, then we can deduce what is the size of the main academic campus. Moray An Par (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Another possible solution is we assume that the second link has correct values, being dated very recently (Dec 2010), and add these values to the land area of La Carlota (still unkown). I expect that we'll get a number near 14k ha. I believe 13,567 ha in the first link excludes the Makiling Reserve. So another question arises, when we do ascertain the land area of the La Carlota grant do we also add the Reserve area to the computation, it being administered (I am still confirming if it is owned) by CFNR? That would make the UPLB campus size about 18k ha, much larger than what we'd usually hear. Another thing, PCARRD-DOST (http://pcarrd.dost.gov.ph/cin/watershed/gis/BAAA/bodyBAAA.htm) says that the MFR is 4,346.87 ha (not 4,224 ha). If we use this value, then we can just easily say that the values in the first link are wrong.
Take note, LGMO makes no mention of the La Carlota grant throughout its site (http://lgmo.uplb.edu.ph/index.php/component/search/?searchword=la+carlota&ordering=newest&searchphrase=all). Moray An Par (talk) 00:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
I found http://old.uplb.edu.ph/ca/lagranja . It says La Carlota is 288 ha. If we add this and the Paete and Siniloan grant (from second link), then we get 10,488.8 ha. Obviously, we must add the size of the Makiling Reserve (from PCARRD) to get the traditional 15k ha land area of UPLB. From this, we get 14,835.67 ha. This is problematic. Although we now have the total size of the land grants, we have no known value from which we can deduce the size of the much much smaller (but still important) academic campus. And I doubt we'll ever find one.
Solution: I propose that we use the first source since it's the only one which makes mention of the total area, and the size of the academic campus (deduced from 14,665 ha - 13,567 ha). When we do add 5,719 ha (Siniloan) + 3,336 ha (Paete) + 288 ha (La Carlota) + 4,224 ha (Makiling), we get 13,567! Wow. Ok. Problem solved. Hahaha. So that means that actual academic campus is 1,098 ha. Moray An Par (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

It should be under organization and administration (WP:UNIGUIDE). I see that you've condensed the paragraphs in the campus section. I suggest rearranging the now 1 sentence paragraphs into 1 paragraph. I think you shouldn't have removed the phrase that says that the Laguna Land Grant is mostly undeveloped. Moray An Par (talk) 09:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Condensed it into one paragraph, but left the part about the Laguna land grant being "undeveloped." I think it's an important piece of information since it's the only land grant without any notable facilities. Readers might wonder why the article mentions the facilities in the other land grants while the one is Paete is left blank. Ajesg (talk) 05:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that's what also came to my mind. Moray An Par (talk) 05:59, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
You may also want to mention that the other (not the Makiling one) Los Banos campus is referred to as the "lower campus" to contrast it with the mention of the "upper campus". Moray An Par (talk) 06:03, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I also suggest restoring the sentence mentioning that the chancellors used to have 5 year terms. Moray An Par (talk) 06:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Can you help me with my request in the above section (the one about LB being the largest)? I really can't find anything reliable. I also have new concerns in WT:Tambayan Philippines regarding the naming scheme of the colleges/schools. Your input is very much welcome. Thanks. Moray An Par (talk) 06:14, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I'll restore the fund raising section since it's UPLB's only major fund raising drive (that I know of; please do mention some if you do). WP:UNIGUIDE suggests its inclusion. I'm still having second thoughts of whether to restore the mention of CDC's affiliation. What are your thoughts on it? Moray An Par (talk) 04:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm also going to restore the info on endowment. Financial endowment refers to funds received by the university other than the government, and therefore must not include government subsidy. I'm also removing conversion to USD. It is not necessary, and I do not know of any policy requiring/suggesting the conversion to USD of non-USD currencies (Wikipedia being viewed from all over the world, not just the US). Oriel College, Oxford (the only non-US featured article of a university) and University of Toronto (a non-US good article) do not convert monetary values to USD. Moray An Par (talk) 02:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

members of the [[Academy of Sciences for the Developing World]],<ref>{{cite web | url = http://www.twas.org/ | title = Members by field| publisher = TWAS| accessdate = 2011-03-23}}</ref>
The url is not a link to the members list, and still its members list does not explicitly say that those agricultural scientists are from UPLB. Please get a new reference. Moray An Par (talk) 03:04, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the statement. I've also removed the PRC mention. The first PRC source is simply a list of fields where UP students excelled in 2007. But that doesn't mean that UPLB is recognized as a top performing school, or does it mean that UPLB students consistently do excel. The second reference is worse. It's just a link to top performing schools for this period but no explicit mention of UPLB can be found. Moray An Par (talk) 08:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Panorama of Freedom Park
UPLB Graduation
My camera is broken. Moray An Par (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

There are enough photos in this wiki (supposedly encyclopedic) article already. IMHO there's no need to add them just to expound on a few short statements in the article, thats what references are there for. -Meynardtengco (talk) 00:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
If you've got problems with the article being not encyclopedic, I suggest that you edit the problems (this is a wiki), or at least point them out so other people with time and interest to edit it will know. That's a whole lot better than complaining about it and vaguely saying that it is "supposedly encyclopedic", which therefore implies that you have doubts on its encyclopedic content, which doesn't really help at all. Moray An Par (talk) 02:46, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Did I write/say that? Don't put words in my mouth and you better calm down.... This is a talk page after all and I'm just expressing my blunt opinion regarding your request for those pictures. Looks like you prefer to read talk pages in wikis as if everyone's confrontational (I read your reply to Ajesg's talk page), even if they're supposed to be constructive criticisms. Well then, it seems like you want to push through with everything your way, and we're not needed, then so be it...even though, as you would say it, "this is a wiki." -- Meynardtengco (talk) 04:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes this is indeed a wiki. So please continue editing as you wish. "This guy is trying to assert ownership of the article" is not a valid reason to stop editing anyway, being that my statements are not even close to authoritative. Moray An Par (talk) 05:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The 233.471 billion peso endowment is astronomical and erroneous. I checked the file and it was only in millions. Add this to the savings and research funding and you get a close estimate of the actual endowment. Also, it's better to refer to local sources (if possible) for the definition of an "endowment". In terms of currency conversion, the peso is a relatively insignificant global currency and only a few people are aware of its exchange rate in dollars, unlike the British Pound and the Canadian Dollar, so I think it's better to convert the amount for easier understanding. I likewise think it's rather inappropriate to mention that UPLB has "several bank accounts," apart from the fact that the phrase doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Ajesg (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that it was only in millions. It has been already corrected. The sentence was removed. Per WP:CURRENCY "conversions of less familiar currencies may be provided in terms of more familiar currencies, such as the US dollar, euro or pound sterling. Conversions should be in parentheses after the original currency, rounding to avoid excess or false precision (one or two significant digits are usually enough, as the exchange rates can vary significantly) and noting the conversion as approximate, with at least the year given as a rough point of conversion rate reference; e.g., Since 2001 the grant has been 10,000,000 Swedish kronor (approx. US$1.4M, €1.0M, or £800k as of August 2009), not (US$1,390,570, €971,673 or £848,646)". I agree now in restoring the conversion to USD however it must be noted that they are only approximate values and the period at which the conversion was based must be noted too. I will be out for an hour so just restore the conversions yourself.
I am not fully convinced that endowment includes the savings of UPLB. The Wikipedia article on financial endowment defines it as the transfer of funds. Merriam-Webster defines it as "something that is endowed; specifically : the part of an institution's income derived from donations". In the way that I understand it, endowment only refers to the universities yearly income from grants/donating institutions. Moray An Par (talk) 14:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Now I get to think of it. I'll just put the approximation note as a footnote since it gets quite annoying. Moray An Par (talk) 14:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok great. May I also suggest that instead of endowment, perhaps we can put there "financial resources" instead since the Philippines doesn't seem to have a convention on what "endowment" really means. Basically, things could get confusing with all the terminologies, so it's probably better to put everything under one category "financial resources" then break it down to savings, govt subsidy, research funding, etc. This means that for the infobox on the right side, we'll replace endowment with financial resources, and add up savings, subsidy and research. What do you think? Ajesg (talk) 05:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
How about simply calling it "assets" (endowment + subsidy + bank accounts) in the infobox and keep the endowment as is? I don't recommend removing endowment (money from philanthropy) since it's a standard in university articles. Moray An Par (talk) 07:28, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
The wikipedia definition of financial endowment (college and university endowments) clearly includes operating and capital requirements. In UP's case, bulk of that obviously comes from government subsidy, so I don't really understand why it's being excluded in the endowment figure in the infobox on the right. This source could also be helpful :http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Av99kjG5sbQJ:ezinearticles.com/%3FEndowments-and-the-Top-Ten-Most-Funded-Private-Colleges-in-the-US%26id%3D5235326+government+subsidy+university+endowment+harvard&cd=1&hl=tl&ct=clnk&gl=ph&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com.ph , It says that "Funding for colleges come in the form of endowments such as financial grants, donations, tuition fees, and government subsidies." Pls. revise the endowment figure to reflect government subsidy, research funding and other sources. Ajesg (talk) 04:40, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh. I see. I'll do it when I get the time, that is if no one else has done it by that time. Moray An Par (talk) 04:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to include a section ("Board exam performance"). This is going to include a table of past passing rates. I would have loved to include rankings however there are no such things in the Philippines. So, in short, this is the article's equivalent of the ranking section found in other university articles. Moray An Par (talk) 15:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm naming it accreditation to increase its scope (PRC is an accrediting body). I'll also include CHED COE and COD in this section. Moray An Par (talk) 07:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Data not well presented. Table not properly labelled. Placing it here. Multiple columns of same heading, they should be distinguished from each other. Meynardtengco (talk) 00:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

There, is this ok now? Moray An Par (talk) 04:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
I've restored it to the article. The section doesn't make sense without the table. Moray An Par (talk) 04:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

The table is nice, but it needs appropriate labels. Try spelling out the NPR, PR, TN, or put a legend at the bottom. Ajesg (talk) 04:45, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
That's weird. When I was editing this under Opera, the definition for the abbreviations are displaying properly. But now in Firefox (I'm at a computer shop now), it doesn't display at all. Hmm. How about including the definitions as footnotes under the table? Expanding the names in the table cells will bloat the table. Moray An Par (talk) 04:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

On the other mind, I refuse to include

It was under his term (in 1929) when the country's first ethanol fuel road test was conducted by UPCA engineers using a 1929 De Sotto de Luxe sedan that ran on 10% ethanol.[23]
in the article. The reference cited does not mention that it's the first neither does it mention that it was done in 1929. It lacks sufficient information to become encyclopedic. I also tried searching other sites. But I found no mention of it. Moray An Par (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Gaaah. Nvm. I just found this http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=2993&publicationSubCategoryId=72 . This should be the source. Moray An Par (talk) 15:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Photo source is dubious and violates copyright itself. I'm removing the photo for now since it was retrieved from a newly published book. -Meynardtengco (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
I've left an explanation on my talk page regarding this matter. Moray An Par (talk) 02:38, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Please restore the section on ISI/Thomson Scientific listed journals (or at least mention it in the research section). UPLB has five of these, the most among Philippine academic institutions.Ajesg (talk) 05:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Do you have sources that list or explicitly say that UPLB has 5 ISI-listed journals and is the most among Philippine institutions? Moray An Par (talk) 04:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
There were footnotes in the previous version. It only mentions the journal info but not the fact that the uni has the most no of journals in the Philippines.Ajesg (talk) 00:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Unless anyone can find that UPLB has the most journals published among Philippine institutions, I do not see the significance of listing UPLB journals with unrated h-indices. I am very well sure that other universities publish hundred times more journals than UPLB, yet we don't see them listing them. Unless we can find something notable about them that is independent of the university (like h-indices, or contributions that really affected the industry with implications even outside the scientific community), I would not suggest trying to list them. Moray An Par (talk) 04:40, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Can you please tell me why should the journals be listed? Moray An Par (talk) 10:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


### References
I have some concerns regarding them. The reference from slideshare doesn't say that these are the only journals listed in the ISI, therefore giving a definite number can be problematic. For example, you also mentioned Asia Life Sciences which is not listed in the slide. For all we know, there could be more journals not mentioned in the slide. This is a better reference. It exhaustively (I think) lists UPLB journals. Then just use the ISI site to confirm if these are really listed. Moray An Par (talk) 10:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

That's easy. If it's really a concern, then just mention that there are at least five journals listed in ISI considering that various sources are saying different things.Ajesg (talk) 02:29, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok. That's doable too. Why again should the article attempt to list them at all? Moray An Par (talk) 07:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
It's one of the things that distinguish UPLB from the others. Other unis dont even have any listed journals. Ajesg (talk) 08:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Does UPLB participate in any intercollegiate athletics event? I can't seem to find any information regarding this. Moray An Par (talk) 07:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I think it's better not to mention the no. of students and faculty. The no. of students is already mentioned in the text. And it's difficult to pin down the exact no of faculty since many of them work in different units at the same time. Other sources (e.g. units' websites) also have different info, which may confuse readers. Also, the lack of data on CPA, SESAM and GS makes it look rather awkward. It could give the impression that these units don't have any faculty or students at all, which is impossible. Ajesg (talk) 02:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Fine by me. Moray An Par (talk) 07:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Good for start article, but requires heavy editing for GA status. Epicadam (talk) 05:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality: 
There is no flow to the writing, especially lead section. There seems to be random bits of trivia in the lead such as "Several buildings at UPLB were designed by National Artist for Architecture Leandro Locsin." Parts of the article read as if they were translated directly from another language as some word choices seem peculiar. Facts are repeated needlessly throughout the article, such as the "land mass" of the university (I assume that means "total area").
B. MoS compliance: 
Heavy editing is required to bring up to MoS standards. Besides grammatical and style issues, the article is littered with vague statements like "With more than 500 PhDs and over 300 Master of Science degree holders, UPLB has one of the highest concentrations of scientific expertise and experience in the world."
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources: 

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: 
Entire paragraphs and sections are left without citations, especially Notable Alumni.
C. No original research: 
There seems to be heavy OR in sections, especially "Campus Life."
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: 

B. Focused: 

Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: 
Article uses glorified language to describe the university. Many of the references come from the university's own promotional material.
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc: 
Article has undergone massive changes by one user very recently. Not stable.
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: 
Images do not all have copyright clearance. Some images claim copyright release as original works by owner, yet the pictures are from the 1930s. I therefore doubt the authenticity of those copyright claims.
B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions: 
There are numerous pictures of campus buildings, even in sections that do not relate to that subject. Other pictures are generic and do not add to the article's usefulness.
Overall:
Pass or Fail: 
I recognize that this page has undergone massive changes to flesh out material, provide sources and contribute to the overall quality of Wikipedia; however, the article needs serious improvements in prose, clarity, neutrality, organization and valid references. See McGill University for example of GA article.
First, I apologize for the late review. I somehow didn't get the page added to my watch list. Unfortunately, however, this article still does not yet qualify for GA status. There are still issues with the prose, sourcing, and content that prohibit UPLB from being promoted. Hopefully the editors will be able to take a look at some of the GA articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities/Accomplishments, or enlist the help of the editors there to get UPLB up to GA status. Best, epicAdam (talk) 00:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I reverted recent edits to it. Please provide external sources. The UPLB source is not independent and not dated. As far as the CHED cite for COEs and CODs, these may already be expired. Moray An Par (talk) 09:16, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
The CHED info on Centers of Excellence was revamped in 2009 as CHED's recognition of most programs had expired during that time.  Reinstatements and recognition of new programs effective 2009, as stated in numerous published articles, are valid through 2012-2013.AldrinHu (talk) 08:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion of infomation about "substantially low" enrollments have no meaning to readers, unless benchmarks have been established.  For instance, a 48% enrollment-vesus-admit yield rate would not make UPLB's BS Agriculture program worthy of mention if all agriculture programs in the country are experiencing the same phenomenon, anyway (which the current Wiki article on UPLB's College of Agriculture states, by the way).  Mentions of decline in enrollment are irrelevant, unless an explanation is provided and unless the reason for the decline has something to do specifically with the univesity, the college, or the program being discussed.  Moreover, sweeping language such as "poor enrollment" not backed up by figures, which in turn are not based on  benchmarks, are not encyclopedic.  Unless there is objection to deleting such unhelpful information (or unless appropriate edits are done), I propose to remove it by July 1, 2011.AldrinHu (talk) 08:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I have no strong opinions in removing it. If it would interest you, the source states the actual enrollment rates of the course. If the figure would be specified, do you think it merits mention? And another thing, you inserted "giving the campus the distinction of having the largest total number of Centers of Excellence among all universities in the country.". Source please. Moray An Par (talk) 11:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
SINCE WHEN DID WIKIPEDIA START DELETING DISCUSSION COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT VANDALISM, NOT OFFENSIVE, AND DO NOT VIOLATE ANY RULES?  I RESENT THIS CENSORSHIP. I am re-posting the comment I made on (made June 21, 2011). "A discussion and analysis of declining enrollment trends actually make for very interesting reading. (A separate article, perhaps?) The current information just comes off as a leading but incomplete commentary on the "sad" state of enrollment affairs in the field of agriculture, which is not encyclopedic. And apparently it's not unique to UPLB, which is why I didn't find it worthy of mention in a UPLB article. Re: centers of excellence -- the large total enrollment is simply the sum of the presidentially decreed number of centers of excellence (that currently recognize only two universities in the Philippines: UP Diliman, which has three, and UPLB, which has nine) and CHED's own list (which ranks UP Diliman on top with nine, followed by UPLB with eight), which are stated in the two preceding sentences. The sources should be the same as the existing ones for both the presidentially decreed and the CHED-listed centers (I'll add them, anyway). Thanks for responding and thanks for all your work in improving this article!"AldrinHu (talk) 05:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Keep your cool. It appears that it was removed when I reassessed the article for the WikiProjects. [1] Please do assume good faith. I'm really sorry. Moray An Par (talk) 06:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

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Most of the links are outdated as the new string is: http://www.up.edu.ph/ (used to be uplb). It seems fairly recent as Google is not updated neither.

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If there is someone more familiar with the current tuition scheme, please update the Tuition and financial aid section.SciPunk (talk) 12:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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