# Talk:Updown early medieval cemetery

@Onegreatjoke: It certainly should have been referenced – I've now added one that was used for a similar statement later in the article. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 Approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:57, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I am surprised that the hook does not focus on the Updown girl. That part is touching as well as interesting. Surtsicna (talk) 17:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm glad you found the part about Updown girl interesting, it's an important story to tell. There are two reasons why this hook doesn't focus on Updown girl. Firstly, there is a draft article in the works about her which while cover the burial and the research in more detail. I'll lend a hand with that, and I'd like to bring that to DYK as well. Secondly, since the article is about the cemetery rather than Updown girl I thought that a hook about her might come across as a curiosity; a hook about her for an article about her feels like a different dynamic. I may have overthought it, but your question gave me a chance to explain! Choosing a different focus for the hook also gave me a little more breathing room as I think a hook about Updown girl will need to be carefully crafted, and a focus on the rescue excavation was easier to put together. Richard Nevell (talk) 18:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I am very eager to read more about her. Is she frequently discussed independently of the cemetery? Surtsicna (talk) 18:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: Before the research using ancient DNA published last year, I don't think so – as far as I can tell the most significant coverage was in a chapter by Martin Welch published in 2008 which deals primarily with the cemetery. Now, there is the aDNA study, a summary piece in Current Archaeology, and news coverage of the results. I wouldn't necessarily say that she is discussed independently from the cemetery because it's important context, especially the family relations and the treatment of the burial, but there are pieces where the focus is on Updown girl. I believe there another research article due to be published sometime this year which will discuss Updown girl in more detail. That may be the point at which Draft:Updown Girl gets published. Richard Nevell (talk) 19:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello.
I have read the University source (which seem very trustworthy) about the girl with West African heritage.
But in the linked paper, "The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool", and didn't find any information about that ancestry in the cemetery. Is there something I missed? Or is that information given in another scientific paper?
Thank you. Knoterification (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

It’s in the source referenced as ‘Sayer Powelsland and Stewart 2022’:[1] Sweet6970 (talk) 11:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
If you are reffering to this paper https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2, than it doesn't seem to contain that information. Knoterification (talk) 23:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
No, I’m not referring to the paper, I’m referring to the source I linked, which says "Her DNA, however, told a more complex story: as well as 67% Continental Northern European (CNE) ancestry, she also had 33% West African ancestry, most closely related to present-day Esan and Yoruba populations (a result that will be published elsewhere). Her burial took place around the early 7th century, placing her African ancestor (probably on her father’s side, as her mitochondrial haplogroup, which reflects the maternal line, is typical of a Northern European ancestry) in the first half of the 6th century – perhaps her grandfather?". Sweet6970 (talk) 10:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I read the article. I was asking about the scientific paper containing that information. Was it published? Knoterification (talk) 01:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
I don't know. Wikipedia works on secondary sources. Sweet6970 (talk) 11:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)