# Talk:Wipeout (video game series)

The article has been renamed to Psygnosis game series despite not being developed by Psygnosis for most of its life, From 2002 to 2013 it was SCE Studio Liverpool and its now technically owned by XDEV. The vast majority of people who look for Wipeout (series) will be looking for this and not the lesser-known game show video game adaptation so I personally didn't see anything wrong with just moving the article to Wipeout (video game series) or keeping it as 1995 video game series.
RealNZZN (talk) 15:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
@RealNZZN: and @PresN: I agree it should be moved to Wipeout (video game series). There is no need to add any additional disambiguation. There is no other article about video game series called "Wipeout". The current name is not going to be easy to type and makes no sense to be this complex.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 04:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Agree with this proposal to move to Wipeout (video game series), I'm assuming @PresN: just made a bit of an error here and maybe wasn't aware of the full history, so hopefully it's a quick change. Being WP:Bold is fine but just not quite right this time. Mountaincirquetalk 10:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Note: just to clarify Psygnosis technically merged into Sony in 2000 and became Studio Liverpool / SCE Liverpool, so it is odd to call anything after Wipeout 3 a 'Psygnosis game'. Other development studios also worked on the remasters for Wipeout Omega Collection...so you can't and shouldn't state in the title that this is all under one studio. Mountaincirquetalk 10:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
My reasoning was a) List of video games based on Wipeout (2008 American game show) exists and is clearly a series of games so (video game series) doesn't disambiguate enough, and b) (1995 video games series) was such a terrible disambiguation for a series that has releases covering 1995 through 2017 that anything was better. I figured that "Psygnosis" was possibly wrong as opposed to "Studio Liverpool", but let it go since that's also kind of wrong. That all said, I don't much care what the name is as long as it makes sense, so let me know whatever y'all land on and I'll move it. --PresN 03:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, as noted there seems to be a consensus in this (albeit small) discussion for Wipeout (video game series) which already redirects here, so it needs an admin/page mover to change that, please do so? I can see your point on the other 'Wipeout' games, but in my opinion as the title is completely different, with that being a list, it is not a problem, as well as the fact that those games are so low profile that only one has its own page. I'd argue that List of video games based on Wipeout (2008 American game show) could be just merged into the main article for Wipeout (American game show). 08:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't think anyone is going to confuse Game Show for video game series. And we can always add a note if there is confusion.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 16:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
It is a series of video games, based on a game show, so yes, it would be confusing since they are both video game series. -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 08:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
This is a pretty unique case where two game series in different genres, devs and years bear the same generic title. Local consensus is required as this is beyond standard NCVGCAB parameters. I think the futuristic racing series should be at Wipeout (racing video game series), and the gameshow adaptations are probably fine staying at List of video games based on Wipeout (2008 American game show) even though that is a stupid long title. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 18:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
@Salvidrim: From what I can see, the "American" has been removed. Don't know how long ago that was. Why can't it just be (video game series) if that disambiguation is going to be redirected back here anyways? I think we're making this much more complicated than it is. There is no other video game series article known as Wipeout there are game shows, but its a completely different media that has its own naming conventions.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
On another note, the List of video games based on Wipeout (2008 American game show) has has only 8 entries with no new updates since 2014. I know it's not the best place to mention it here, but a speedy merge could be made if it makes things simpler.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 19:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
It wouldn't simplify the matter at hand, which is titling the article about the racing game series, because the entire point is that "Wipeout (video game series)" remains ambiguous with the gameshow adaptation game series regardless of whether the latter has a standalone article/list or is merged with the parent franchise article. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 19:35, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
If the article is the primary topic, it won't need disambiguation (per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC). I admit that it mainly refers to natural disambiguation, but I think the principle behind the rule can apply here. So I'll support "Racing video game series" in the title if we can verify that this isn't the primary topic for video game series. How are we going to determine that?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 20:17, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't think the video game series would ever qualify as the primary topic of Wipeout. "racing video game series" also doesn't seem right, since the game show based video game series also involves racing, obstacle racing -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 08:03, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
I will be keen to see this moved back to "(video game series)". There's no need for the extra layer of delineation. ♦ jaguar 09:09, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
As long as the game show videogame list article exists, that is an impossible article title, since there is a different video game series with an article, thus failing the basic WP:AT principle of distinguishing between articles with disambiguation. "(video game series)" should point to the disambiguation page, if there are two articles on video games series. -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 08:03, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
It appears it won't exist for much longer as it's about to be merged. ♦ jaguar 10:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Jaguar, this conversation has become over-complicated, the page was at (video game series) in the past, which still redirects here, and there is no similar page title: so let's go with that. Simply add disambiguation links for the List of video games based on Wipeout (2008 American game show) here and to this page on that one. Mountaincirquetalk 09:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm in favour of (video game series), as per status quo, and then fix any other problems by other means. - X201 (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
It seems that this has all turned into a big mess now. The original title of this article, "Wipeout (series)" has been moved to the disambig page Wipeout. Looking at the page reveals that the only 'series' on there is indeed this one. The 2008 game show is a television programme, and its international adaptations cannot be considered a collective series. To further compound matters (at the risk of digressing), we also have Wipeout (British game show) and Wipeout (1999 game show), both derivatives of an American trivia game show, though the latter is Australian, making the former's title inconsistent. I also discovered that Wipeout (video game) was moved to "1995 video game", despite the fact that there is no other video game named Wipeout on Wikipedia.
The list of video game adaptations of the 2008 game show is about to be merged, which not only highlights its lack of notability but illustrates that it is merely a list of games and not a series or franchise in its own right. The renaming of this article to 'Psygnosis video game series' is not only a convolution but a puzzling choice as most of the instalments were developed under Studio Liverpool. This aside, I would like to stress that we do not cave in to Wikipedia's innate inclination for needless overcomplication, and just move this back to "Wipeout (series)". The disambig notice at the top of the page should take care of the rest. ♦ jaguar 11:06, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
@Jaguar: i 100% agree with you. There is no need for Wipeout to be named (video game series) since it's the only series out there. Game shows aren't series and follow their own naming conventions. if someone is confused, the note at the top directs them to the correct location. The same thing with Wipeout (1995 video game). I don't know why we're worried about it being ambiguous among non-articles.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)