# Talk:Tropical Storm Jerry (1995)

Here's so I don't forget them.

About flooding
August 1995 Unusual Weather
More to come. Hurricanehink 21:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, do we really need an article on a minimal tropical storm that didn't even cause $100 million in damages and hardly caused any deaths? The fact that this tropical storm made landfall as a TROPICAL STORM on FLORIDA, the place in the U.S that gets the most tropical cyclones, makes this article even more unneccesary. Let me give another explanation. Hurricane Vince (2005) only got an article because of its rareness. What is so special about Jerry? Please earnestly consider merging this article with the 1995 hurricanes page.Omni ND 21:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, do we really need a lot of articles? We started with just retirees, then fairly damaging ones. Now, the tropical cyclone wikiproject is, whether you like it or not, a weather almanac, simply based on the huge amount of what's here. The reason I made this is due to its effects over the southeast United States, which I think was enough to justify an article with appropriate information. Is it needed? Probably not, but neither are a lot of storms. Provided a storm is explained well, an article should be kept, which is why I am in favor of keeping some of the 2005 storms. Hurricanehink 22:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
After the 2005 season, the 1995 season is the most crowded and loaded with information. It wouldn't hurt to see articles for all storms in recent seasons, although I'm not going to go out of my way to make them (I did for 2005). However, there are several other 1995 storms - Allison and Tanya to name two - that have better article cases than Jerry. Still, keep it. CrazyC83 02:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Between you and me, I would be fine with having an article on every storm since 1995. I would gladly help, as it would force us to find more information. However, first we should work on getting the existing articles in the last 10 years to B class or above. Allison could work, though Tanya doesn't seem to have much, if any information on the internet. Thanks for the keep vote. Hurricanehink 16:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
My God, the plague is spreading. Jerry flooded a few roads, that's it. Why are we still doing this? I keep hoping that you guys will run out of information to copy and paste but I guess not. This was why I left the first time. I kept getting rebuffed over this stuff. Hink said it best. Where does it end? There got to be a line somewhere. Pretty soon, you guys are going to be writing articles about how Hurricane Ivan destroyed a urinal in a JC Penny's and how shoppers can't go to the bathroom anymore. It's getting almost that ridiculous folks. We need to draw the line and we need to draw it now. We all need to get together and come up with an agreement on what does and what does not deserve an article and that that line will not ever be crossed. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 02:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
As the article creator, my line is whether there is enough information. That's it. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
This is a very well-written and thorough article, and I've come to believe that if you can find enough information to create an article on it, then by all means go ahead. bob rulz 12:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, as that was my intention from the beginning. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

(This is my first GA review, so if I make any egregious mistakes, please be patient.)
Overall, the article is close, but needs some minor work, so I'm putting it on "Hold". Comments:

Two problems with the references: Reference #1 seems to be from somebody's personal web site; this should be replaced (or if you can demonstrate the author is an expert in the field that would be acceptable). Reference #3, the PDF, is a broken link.
There shouldn't be a space between punctuation and ref tags, and please move all refs to be after punctuation (one toward the end isn't).
The "Jerry as a Tropical Depression over Georgia" picture seems too large; it is causing the "Preparations" section header to wander to the right on my browser. Perhaps you can shrink it to the size of the image above it?
Is there a wikilink for Tropical Storm Jose?
Say which coast of Africa - I know it's the west, but be precise.
Please wikilink all jargon liberally - "tropical wave", "convection", "outflow", "tropical depression", "trough", "circulation center", "storm surge", "tornado", "waterspout", etc.
I think the term "Tropical Depression Eleven" should be introduced in double quotes.
No problems with NPOV, stability, and broadness (though I'm not a meteorologist I can't think offhand of any major aspects of a tropical storm that are not touched on here).
- Merzbow 03:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Haven't heard anything in almost a week... if there isn't any response by tomorrow I'll have to fail the article per GA guidelines. - Merzbow 07:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm in the middle of finals... I can have a look at it on Wednesday at the soonest. I do intend to fix the issues, they're fairly minor. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 09:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
No problem, I'll hold off for a while then. - Merzbow 17:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
All that's left to pass now is to address my concerns about references #1 and #3 above... anybody? - Merzbow 07:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, reference #1 is cross-cited with the HURDAT, so I'm not 100% sure about that one. I'm looking for Reference #3 anywhere, and I can't find it. The Wayback Machine does not have it because it was blocked via robots.txt. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 21:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately I'll have to fail now since this has been on hold for more than double the usual deadline... but if you can fix this last remaining issue when you have time and relist, I'll grab the GA immediately and unless anything else has changed it should be a quick pass. - Merzbow 09:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I have renominated the article, after finding a replacement for ref 3 for FL agriculture damage.  Also cleaned up the NC rainfall stat for Jerry (NCDC data suggests it is wrong), updated the rainfall image, and added a slew of convert templates to include metric equivalents.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well written 
Fail First, I would've preferred to have seen more info on the storm's origins in the lead section. "hit Florida" just isn't very specific. There were several typos in the Florida impact section as well. "Rainfall was generally moderate in the southeastern portion of the state, with the highest amounts of over 10 inches (250 mm) occurring in Martin and St. Lucie counties. ", whereas the given citation specifies amounts ranging "from 9-10 inches". Also "it damaged over 352 houses and destroyed 12", while the citation said 340 houses were damaged. 

 Done Thegreatdr (talk) 13:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Factual accuracy 
Fail There were several times where the citations did not back up the information given.From the Florida Impact Section, "When it struck the Florida Panhandle, storm surge was stronger, peaking at 6 feet (1.8 m) to 7 feet (2.1 m) in Navarre Beach." From Southeast United States Impact, "In Georgia, Jerry dropped severe rainfall of over 14 inches (360 mm) in locations, covering numerous waterways and flooding numerous houses. In Savannah, the flooding damaged 23 houses, five of which were severely, forcing 72 citizens to evacuate.Though the rain was severe, it was welcome in western Georgia, an area with below normal rainfall amounts during the summer of 1995." the citation at the end of the paragraph does not indicate any of that. All of South Carolina's section except for the first and last sentences is unbacked by the citations. The same goes for North Carolina's section, the only citation there is the first sentence (which is correct), the rest is only sourced by the NHC report on the storm, which does not mention any of the information in that paragraph. Overall, I recommend you put citations at the end of each sentence that gives disputable information, or put appropriate citations at the end of each paragraph.

 Done Thegreatdr (talk) 18:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Broadness 
Pass
NPOV 
Pass
Stability 
Pass
Images 
Pass
Overall
Fail
TheNobleSith (talk) 03:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing the article.  Your specificness right off the bat is really appreciated.  As for quick failing it instead of placing it on hold while these changes could be made over the next week, I can't think of an appropriate response that would fit wikipedia standards and practices.  Expect it to be resubmitted for GAC with 24 hours, once the changes are made.  Thegreatdr (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I will re-review this within several hours of re-nomination if it has not already been reviewed again. And yes, I should have placed it on hold, I over-estimated how much time it would take to correct the changes. TheNobleSith (talk) 16:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Who knows.  Maybe I've underestimated.  Finding a ref for those last three lines is turning out to be more of a challenge than I thought.  Per your advice, will go the renomination route when the changes you suggested are complete.  Thegreatdr (talk) 18:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Now that all of the concerns of the second reviewer appear to have been addressed, Jerry has been GAC'ed again.  Thegreatdr (talk) 18:57, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Still some kinks, but nothing major.
Well written 
Pass with some recommendations for improvement This is much better. However, some of the info in the "impacts" section would be better in preparations. "Some people used sandbags to protect their property, while others evacuated to emergency shelters."
Factual accuracy 
Pass Citations are much improved, although that excerpt I listed in "Well Written" is unsourced, as far as I can tell.
Broadness 
Pass 
NPOV 
Pass
Stability 
Pass 
Images 
Pass
Overall
Pass
Good job!TheNobleSith (talk) 19:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.  Removed that line per lack of source.  Even in the news articles I looked up earlier, I didn't see any mention of this type of preparation for Florida.  Thegreatdr (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)