# Talk:Pokémon Sun and Moon

Isn't there a guideline that we only include the logo or boxart of the primary version in infoboxes except for remakes and/or sequels?  This means that the infobox should only include the logo of Pokémon Sun, right? ANDROS1337TALK 17:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Correct, only one cover art is supposed to be used. Sergecross73 msg me 23:41, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I found this: http://lineblog.me/masudajunichi/archives/3406435.html
But is it an RS? I don't really know. Oneseventhree (talk) 11:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

It's a bunch of pictures on a free blogging website. I wouldn't consider that to be a reliable source, no. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 14:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Huh. That's weird, because this seems to be Masuda's official blog, as he always tweets about it, and this very same website is used to cite the last sentence in the article. If this is not a reliable source, shouldn't we nix that last sentence? Oneseventhree (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

So Nintendo just announced a special demo version available October 18. But I was wondering if this information should be placed in its own section or in the promotional section, and if so, whether it should be in its own paragraph or not? Here are some links:   Sogen1323 (talk) 21:29, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add game engine of Pokémon sun and moon 🌑 !! Ultrastarine (talk) 10:27, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, we can't do that unless Nintendo/Game Freak/The Pokémon Company says something about it. They're probably using their own in-house engine, though.--IDVtalk 10:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
What's the engine then? If it in-house (most likely), then it doesn't belong in the infobox per its documentation. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:35, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Is anyone aware of a Z-Ring peripheral based on the one in the games? It syncs with the games themselves Visokor (talk) 13:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi
it is a new Game. We should create a new article. --Panam2014 (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

In the future, maybe. But for now, we know too little for an article to be made. It would be best to wait for more information and then see whether an article should be made or not. SkyWarrior 21:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, the main reason I requested deletion on the article that did exist was because it was simply WP:TOOSOON for an article. — Gestrid (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I have had a look at this article, for the re-assessment. It's clearly not a Start level article. I have re-assessed as a B, but maybe that is a little generous. The lack of WikiLinks in the plot section, the 'tooltips' being used, when there are already notes in the article, and the lack of references in the intro are all reasons why I would be against the B. Rest of article is very good, however. Lee Vilenski(talk) 12:05, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Fixed the tooltip part and added a couple refs to the lead (namely “last game for the 3DS” and “fastest selling” parts). Added a handful of WLinks as well to Plot although it’s fairly tricky to do so. Juxlos (talk) 13:26, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Leaving as B-Class. The article is good enough to warrant it. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I tried to trim down the plot's length (1,093 -> 438). Did I leave out any major plot elements or leave in something unnecessary? Juxlos (talk) 18:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

IGN itself seems to be uncertain what the quote We're really treating Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon as the culmination of our work with the 3DS system. (Japanese?) means, as jp.ign.com translates it in a manner that does not imply the games will be the last on the 3DS. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:06, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

IGN’s interpretation here is fairly straightforward from the title, so I would take it at face value until proven otherwise. Juxlos (talk) 07:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
@Juxlos: See, I can't actually see the English version of that article. (I have no idea why -- I changed the language settings on my browser and everything. I briefly considered posting to RSN about whether a source that deliberately hides itself from people living in certain regions for "convenience" reasons rather than any kind of government censorship or the like presents a problem from a verifiability standpoint.) I can see the title in the URL, but jp.ign.com translates "last Pokemon RPGs" as "ポケモンRPGの「集大成」" ("culmination", "compilation", "cap on such-and-such years of work", which could mean "last", but...), and for all I can tell the reason they were reluctant to translate it directly as 最終作品 or something like that is that the original Japanese on which the English article was based was not specific and they wanted to hedge their bets. The Google preview shows me the opening paragraph of the English (We're really treating Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon as the culmination of our work with the 3DS system.), and both it and the opening paragraph of the Japanese (ゲームフリークが3DSで行ってきたことの「集大成」になるという) present it a bit less black-and-white than the title of the English; when a source's title says something different from what the main text says the main text normally takes precedence.  Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:23, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Interestingly enough, no one seems to translate the fr.ign.com original articles into Japanese, so I can see this, which also takes the same quote (Nous pensons que Pokémon Ultra-Soleil / Ultra-Lune est le point culminant de notre travail sur la 3DS.) out of context in its title (IL N'Y AURA PLUS DE RPG POKÉMON SUR 3DS). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: The English title is straight-up “ULTRA SUN AND ULTRA MOON WILL BE THE LAST POKEMON RPGS FOR 3DS“, although I agree that IGN might have done a bit of a leap there. Some rewording might work - any suggestions? Juxlos (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Not really, no. The problem is that calling it the "culmination of their efforts" is non-NPOV promotional nonsense. If what they actually meant was (and what we want to say is) that it was "the last planned games of the Pokémon main series on the Nintendo 3DS" (not even what that article title says: several non-main series games are RPGs), then we need a source that directly supports that, and doesn't appear to be doing so based on a careless editorial leap. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:18, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough, I've removed the sentence from the article (and the Ultra Sun/Moon ones) Juxlos (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pokémon Sun and Moon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: ProtoDrake (talk · contribs) 21:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I'll take on this review. If you haven't heard anything from me by this time next week, ping me. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


#### Review
The lead seems to focus a lot on gameplay, but contain nothing about its development.
Trimmed gameplay a bit and added a sentence on development
In the gameplay section, the entire first paragraph is unsourced.
A lot of it is general to Pokemon as a whole, so I added an instruction booklet for a previous game (Black) as a source\
" If the player then travels to Ten Carat Hill, they will encounter Necrozma, which is said to be highly reminiscent of the Ultra Beasts." i Is this said in the context of the game, or is it a fan speculation? It's hard to tell from here.
Removed the "reminiscent of the Ultra Beasts" phrase - it's not stated such in game, and easier this way
There are a couple of uses of "in an interview with [blank]"; maybe rephrase?
I guess the phrase isn't necessary - removed. Also, it's just a single use?
"who also was the producer" - Maybe change that to "who was a co-producer" as there's more than one producer credited for the games.
Done
You've linked IGN three times: in "Plot", "Development" and "Reception". The first instance is necessary as it's just a description of what the islands feel like, which I think can be communicated without IGN being included in the sentence. As to the second,
Uh, is this an unfinished sentence?
Yes, sorry. It meant to say that the second wasn't needed if you were cutting down on statements like "in an interview with X, Y said", which has been deal with. The third was just a question of delinking it. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:45, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
In general, there's an inconsistency with the italicising of website and journal names in the prose.
Fixed for the most part, I think
Citation 2: Link GamesRadar
In fact, generally link to website and journal names in the citations where possible, as there are too many to cite in a simple review.
Citation 3: Is there a better source available?
Replaced with Nintendo source
Citations 7, 10: Include the publisher, if you can.
Done
Citations 54 and 65: These need filling out properly, look barebones at the moment.
54 is done. Not sure how to fill in 65 - that's a simple web page without any dates on it
Citation 55: It's "Destructoid", not "Destructor".
You sure? Anyways, done
Just to be safe, archive Citations 27, 44, 54, 63, 65, 76 and 77.
I think IABot is broken for the time being - mind checking, just in case it's on me?
Citation 73: Missing "publisher".
Fixed
Can you find another source for the Famitsu scores? Nintendo Everything's a little rocky for Wikipedia purposes.
Replaced with Gematsu - though that means the X and Y comparison had to go
The Reception section needs work. You could expand the prose, include reviewer names, and reduce the number of quotes.
Some fixing (partial dequoting and a name)
"According to Nintendo of America, Sun and Moon are also the fastest-selling titles in Nintendo's history.[49]" - This belongs in the "Sales" subsection.
Moved
"Later, it was revealed that these are actually new forms for Necrozma, known as "Dusk Mane" or "Dawn Wings", achieved through absorbing either of the two legendaries, in a similar fashion to Black/White Kyurem and Lusamine's mutated form. Amongst other new Pokémon, three new Ultra Beasts have been confirmed to appear - known initially as UB Assembly, UB Burst[e] and UB Adhesive; later to be revealed as Stakataka, Blacephalon, and Poipole respectively." This entire piece is uncited.
Nuked the piece - a bit too much attention to just the few Pokemon considering the amount of text in the section anyways.
This is quite a lot to sort out, so I'll put the article on hold for now. Good luck. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:26, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Review noted - will get around to fixing the issues within a week. Will ping when all are addressed. Juxlos (talk) 18:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
@Juxlos: I've had another look at the article. You seem to have addressed all the issues I raised, though it will needs more eyes and probably a copyeditor's eye if you're planning on taking it further. I'm comfortable giving this article a Pass. --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
EDIT: If you want to continue work based on my comments and suggestions, please do. --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Will do a final walkthrough of the article this weekend - feel free to make the call, or on Sunday. Juxlos (talk) 11:51, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh, also, thanks for the review! Juxlos (talk) 11:52, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't info about the Deluxe Edition of the games be added to the Release part of the page? 88.146.223.98 (talk) 23:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Gretings inspectors of Wikipedia I edited the part of the plot of Pokemon Sun and Moon whose reason I explained in the message of the edition.
My petition is if you can revise my edit to check if all is well.
Yours faithfully,
Eduard Beltran. EduardBS22 (talk) 20:20, 23 July 2025 (UTC)