# Talk:Symbiogenesis

December 3, 2020, Purificación López-García and David Moreira submitted a paper, The Syntrophy hypothesis for the origin of eukaryotes revisited, published in Nature Microbiology, in which they proposed a symbiosis of two bacteria and an archeon as the origin of eukaryotes. I found their proposal utterly convincing and highly recommend a reading of it with a mind to including it in Wikipedia's article, Symbiogenesis.
Reference
Purificación López-García, David Moreira. The Syntrophy hypothesis for the origin of eukaryotes revisited. Nature Microbiology, 2020, 5 (5), pp.655-667. Retrieved from https://hal.science/hal-02988531/document 70.106.237.8 (talk) 18:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Added. The article needs further work now to distinguish current from historic hypotheses; but concepts specific to eukaryogenesis should really be in that article, rather than here which is covering symbiogenesis of all kinds and at all periods. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:29, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
To add to what the Chap said, this article very much needs updating with recent findings regarding the Asgard archaea. In just the past few years, genomic studies of this archaean group have produced broad scientific consensus that eukaryotes originated from symbiosis between an Asgard archaean and an alphaproteobacteria. The alphaproteobacterial origin of mitochondria has been known a long time and is well-described here. The Asgard archaean origin of the eukaryotic cell is a recent discovery and is almost entirely absent. 2019 paper presents some of the central findings of this discovery. A2soup (talk) 23:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Um, I repeat: the origin of the Eukaryotes is Eukaryogenesis --- NOT the subject of this article. And my username is CC, thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

How should the proposed nitroplasts be represented in this article?
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ado8571 2600:8806:3606:C500:7714:DB06:B410:9C2 (talk) 02:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

On the basis of one primary research paper? Cautiously, minimally, likely not at all until independent confirmation arrives? Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
See next item: added, given there are now at least 2 papers. Chiswick Chap (talk) 05:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Two lifeforms merge into one organism for first time in a billion years
‘The first time it happened, it gave rise to all complex life,’ scientists say
Anthony Cuthbertson  | Independent | 2024-04-26
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/algae-evolution-agriculture-plant-history-b2535143.html
Enquire (talk) 19:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Cryptic. The article doesn't even name the original paper, but I've found it and added a brief section. Chiswick Chap (talk) 05:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)