# Talk:Sagara Sanosuke

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sagara Sanosuke/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
I will be reviewing this article for GA status.--Finalnight (talk) 01:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write.  This is how the article, as of May 27, 2008, compares against the  six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: fail
2. Factually accurate?: pass
3. Broad in coverage?: pass
4. Neutral point of view?: pass
5. Article stability? pass
6. Images?: pass
Overall, this article provides broad and accurate coverage of a fictional character which is an accomplishment in of itself. However, there are still numerous grammatical and spelling errors within the article which need to be addressed in order for it to achieve GA status. Also, the article should lose or relocate the trivia in the "creation and conception" section as well as references to specific types of merchandising in the lead. The name Sano should be replaced with Sanosuke or Sagara as that is the proper character name. "He" could be used as well, but Sano (a nickname) is repeated far too many times in the article (71 to be exact). I found that dumping the text into word helped with finding copyedit issues. Thanks.
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved.  After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again.  If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice.  Thank you for your work so far. Finalnight (talk) 02:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review I have already made some changes per your review but I wanted to know what exactly are the trivia parts in the conception section. RegardsTintor2 (talk) 19:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
In particular, I was referring to the lines "Sanosuke is described by Watsuki as "Most Likely To Have His First Name Mangled," with fans using incorrect kanji for the "Sa", "No" and "Suke." Some used "Sasuke" instead of "Sanosuke", leading Watsuki to say "he's not a ninja!". Watsuki saw Shiba Ryōtarō's version of Sanosuke Harada as the one he wanted to use to design and remarks his hair as one of the craziest things he has ever drawn." --Finalnight (talk) 23:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
About the grammar I cant do too many things since Im not a native English speaker so I made a request to the League of Copyeditors.Tintor2 (talk) 23:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Looks like the grammar editing has stalled out for now, please renominate once fixed.--Finalnight (talk) 01:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

To anyone who knows what that is, should that be explained in this article?
TwilightDog (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sagara Sanosuke/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Hi, I will be reviewing this article for GA and adding comments below.

"Sanosuke was one of the last major figures of the series to be created. Watsuki created him to be Kenshin's best friend, who will punch when he may be in a sad state to make him "wake up"." - was Kenshin usually depressed or in a sad state? How would punching him fix this and make him "wake up".
"Shiba Ryōtarō's version of Harada as the one he wanted to use to design" - Do you mean: Shiba Ryōtarō's version of Harada was the one he wanted to use as a model for his design?
" Watsuki saw Shiba Ryōtarō's version of Harada as the one he wanted to use to design and remarks his hair strangest things he has ever drawn." - This does not quite make sense. Do you mean that Harada's hair was one of the strangest drawings he has ever made? Or that Harada's hair was very strange to draw? - Perhapsy you could describe what was so strange about drawing his hair.
"Instead of drawing him with a zanbatō, Watsuki added a sword with a notable large size." - Do you mean: Watsuki gave him a sword notably larger in size? (At first I thought you meant Watsuki used the zanbatō to draw him!)
"noted that the character was "smarter" than how he would have liked in the first few episodes, and tried to slowly "dumb" him because as he thought that the same thing happened in the Japanese version of the series." - do you mean that the character was written to be smarter than Clark Cheng like and in the subsequent episodes he tried to portray him as dumb? (new sentence) - The same thing happened in the Japanese version of the series.
It is not good to use quotes when you are not quoting. If you are quoting, you need to give a citation.
"Although Sanosuke may punch him occasionally,[17] Kenshin notes that that makes him his most reliable friend." - perhaps you could explain this more, in light of what was written about about punching him because he was sad.
"During the Kyoto arc..." - could you explain what this means? Also, "Jinchū arc". Do you mean story line?
" the Futae no Kiwami " - can you explain what this is?
"a deeper personality" - do you mean a more human personality, or a more emotional personality, or what?
"voicing Sanosuke in the original video animations very complicated because..." - not grammatical as it is missing a verb.
These are just some of the prose problems. Perhaps you could get a copy editer fluent in English. Also, the story needs to be explained more clearly, perhaps by adding more detail. 
The references and organization are very good. 
GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): The prose has problems, examples noted above. I tried to copy edit the article but I could only do so much because I do not know the subject matter.  Also, perhaps more words could be wikilinked or the wording explained. b (MoS): No obvious MoS errors 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): Is very well referenced  b (citations to reliable sources): The sources appear reliable  c (OR): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):   b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:  

It is stable.
No edit wars etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): It has four non-free images which are too many for this article.  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): Captions are appropriate. 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 

I did some copy editing but I am not familiar enough with the subject to do a complete. With some more work, this can be a GA. It is not quite ready at this point, as explained above, but it is not that far away.  (And four non-free images is too many.) Best wishes and good luck with further work on this article.  —Mattisse (Talk) 18:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Further comments

I went through it and copy edited it. Please make sure I did not change the meaning by changing the wording.
The article still needs to flow more, so that the sentences and sections are connected and make sense as a whole. Examples:
When you say the "franchise", what franchise are you meaning?
In Plot overview, the first paragraph describes him leaving his family and gaining a reputation over the next ten years. Then the second paragraph starts "At the start of the series..." Which came first? Did the first paragraph happen before the start of the series?
In the Reception section, you say that he was comical, while elsewhere no mention is made of this and he is tragic. It does not seem like the same character.
Perhaps you could explain more, like when you say "Sanosuke's first fight in the series against Kenshin was stereotypical for an action series due to the differences between Sanosuke's and Kenshin's personalities." I know that is a quote from a review, but what did they mean?
Sorry that I am having such difficultly understanding. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Done.Tintor2 (talk) 23:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
What is all the "suffering he experienced" before the story line starts? Why is he seen as a tragic figure?  Also, in the plot or the character sections, you don't give any examples of comedy or of tragedy. Is the tragedy because he was injured several times? Is this different from other action characters?
What is meant by "punched"? Does this mean he hit Kenshin?  —Mattisse (Talk) 00:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Added the comedy and suffering in the personality. Yes he tends to punch Kenshin, sometimes in a comedy way and other times in a more rude mode, if he was very angry.Tintor2 (talk) 01:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sagara Sanosuke/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
I am reviewing this article again. I have read it through and the prose is immensely improved since my first review. The article is very good now. All the problems seem to have been remedied.
GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): The prose is reasonably good and the writing is clear. b (MoS): There are no Obvious MoS errors 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): Article is well referenced b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): The sources are reliable 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): It sets the context for the article subject  b (focused): Well focused on the subject. 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: Neutral in viewpoint.

It is stable.
No edit wars etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 

In my view this article is immensely improved and now passes GA criteria. Congratulations!  —Mattisse (Talk) 18:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

...it's also an African musical instrument -- probably a more useful redirect target, if we have an article on it (perhaps under another name; it has a few). Equinox ◑ 14:41, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Apparently, the actual zanza doesn't have an article. I wonder if we should ask the wikipedia project of music.Tintor2 (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
I think the appropriate article would be Mbira. Equinox ◑ 18:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Tried doing that.Tintor2 (talk) 18:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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