# Talk:Qwak!

Is this possibly the first known duck hunting game? It seems like it has to be, given the release date. Granted, it could be really difficult to find a reliable source for that claim, and without a reliable source, we can't put it in the article. AmericanLemming (talk) 12:34, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

@AmericanLemming: Well, it would depend on how you defined it (and yeah, no sources) - it's probably the first duck hunting video game- there were only a couple light gun video games before it, and I've never seen anything about a duck hunting computer game from before 1974 (nor did the Magnavox Odyssey have a duck hunting game). But electronic light gun games had been around since 1936, and while they're poorly documented at best, it seems... likely that at least one was duck hunting-related? Impossible to prove, though. --PresN 13:16, 10 September 2017 (UTC)


### Seeburg Ray-O-Lite
I did a little research, and it turns out, ironically enough, that the very first electronic light gun game was a duck hunting game, Seeburg Ray-O-Lite. See Guinness World Records: First light-gun game. 
I also found this article on Mental Floss titled "How Did the Duck Hunt Gun Work?". While it's mostly about Nintendo's Duck Hunt,  it also includes a short paragraph about "Ray-O-LIte": "The Zapper’s ancestry goes back to the mid 1930s, when the first so-called “light guns” appeared after the development of light-sensing vacuum tubes. In the first light gun game, Ray-O-Lite (developed in 1936 by Seeburg, a company that made parts and systems for jukeboxes), players shot at small moving targets mounted with light sensors using a gun that emitted a beam of light. When the beam struck a sensor, the targets – ducks, coincidentally – registered the “hit” and a point was scored." The article also includes a link to a page with some nice pictures of a surviving Ray-O-Lite machine: http://www.pinrepair.com/arcade/rayolit.htm AmericanLemming (talk) 03:39, 14 September 2017 (UTC)