# Talk:Port Authority of New York and New Jersey

Does this qualify as a port district?  I was suprised to find nothing on wikipedia about governments known as the "Port of ___".  Cacophony 05:25, September 7, 2005 
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Hello Cacophony -- The purpose of a port district is to tax within the district to support port financial needs.  The PANYNJ has sufficient resources that it does not need to assess or collect taxes to support its operations. Rhadow (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I see no mention of the controversy in the 1950s and 1960s of the increasing powers of the Port Authority.  There was significant public debate about the authority, including whether it should be doing things like the World Trade Center real estate deal.  This article needs significant expansion IMO.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 22:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :

1. Well written? OK Pass
2. Factually accurate? Pass
3. Broad in coverage? Pass
4. Neutral point of view? Pass
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images? Pass

Additional comments :

Image:PANYNJ.png doesn't state its fair use rationale.
The lead section isn't big enough.
Words such as currently that persent time-dependancy should be avoided. Same for the Current and future projects section.
is now the fifteenth busiest in the world. on what list?
The size of the project raised ire from the owner of the Empire State Building, which would lose its title of tallest building in the world. should be associated with a citation.
Lincher 02:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I think all these issues are addressed.  While other featured articles such as Microsoft do include logos, I'm not sure it's needed here.  So, I commented it out for now.  I think something else symbolic, such as the PA headquarters or some photo that includes a sign would work.  As for the "current and future projects" section, I copyedited it and tried to put it in past tense, as much as possible.  Though, the section is still called "Current and future projects" - don't know what else to call it and think it's best to keep as is.  Being that this is Wikipedia, the section will be updated continuously. --Aude (talk) 22:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Nice rationale for the choice, it could be Perennial projects or Continuing projects or Ongoing projects which remove almost all time elements.
As for the nomination, it now passes GA. Lincher 02:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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I would like to request a peer review of Port of Albany-Rensselaer from anyone who wishes to help out. Any comments and critique would be useful in attaining GA status. Thanks! Camelbinky (talk) 23:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Clearly I've paid the price for not living in the Tri-State area for the past 15 years, because I forgot that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey still has it's own bus fleet, as you can see here, here and here. Why hasn't this been covered in any of the related articles? ---------User:DanTD (talk)  14:14, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

No one cared enough to write an article about it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.195.3.64 (talk) 04:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Plus it's a relatively small (about 50-70 total) and insignificant fleet for the area. They only run around the airport terminals and parking lots. I have found articles about the 2007 models being bought/owned by PANYNJ but not sure about the older generations. They have been looking into new alternate fuel buses too.

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I was having a discussion with another editor about the Port. I suggest that a full description of anything should appear only once in WP. There is an article on New York New Jersey Rail.  No point in having a full description in Port of New York and New Jersey and Port Authority of New York and New Jersey too. The PA a governmental authority that has a broad portfolio.  I think a carve out for the description of the harbor, its facilities, and its history is great. There's no reason to duplicate the full description of the Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor.  By the same token, Port Authority of New York and New Jersey#Seaports should move into Port of New York and New Jersey. Waddaya think? Rhadow (talk) 01:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
I added the WP:MERGE tag to Port Authority of New York and New Jersey#Seaports. A summary in Port Authority of New York and New Jersey#Seaports could point to Port of New York and New Jersey. Similar MERGE, Summary, and link updates are needed for Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor, Port of New York and New Jersey#ExpressRail, Port of New York and New Jersey#Car float and Cross Harbor Tunnel (two separate articles exist). Rhadow (talk)
It is clear that the editor doesn't really understand the port is not the port authority, which is not a government authority, by the way. There is far from any detailed or dulicate description of the Port Authority or Waterfront Commission in the Port of New York and New Jersey article, just brief explanatory sentences and appropriate in-line links. There is also only a summary of the seaports. There is complex arrangement of ownership, lease agreements, regulation do not belong in the PANYNJ article, since the container and cargo ports are also public and privately owned. Better still that information could be expanded in the port article or the individual articles. The use of car floats in the port far proceeds the PANYNJ ownership of the NYNJ rail. Mention of that and the potential freight rail tunnel are essential to understanding of the port and port district and does not contain nearly the detailed information found in the separate articles. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to remove vital information from the Port of New York and Jersey article, also making any merge unnecessary.Djflem (talk) 11:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
That said, a "trimming" of the seaports section in the PANYNJ as suggested would be OK.Djflem (talk) 13:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello Djflem -- My understanding is not the point here. Please criticize my suggestions, not me.  The PANYNJ is most certainly a government agency with the authority to issue bonds and sponsor police forces.  I agree that trimming Port Authority of New York and New Jersey#Seaports is a good idea.  I'll wait for more comments before doing anything. Please think about what would improve the article.  Rhadow (talk) 13:57, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ) is a body corporate and politic created by compact between the States of New York and New Jersey with the consent of the Congress of the United States. It an entity called a "public benefit corporation". While public benefit corporations are created by the states, they are minimally quasi-governmental organizations (that generally conduct their business under the same rules that government entities are supposed to adere to). The PANYNJ does receive nor is supported by tax revenue, but from "private" sources. The port of NY?NJ is the region in the metropolitan area defined under the same compact, and the shipping, aviation, rail, and other passenger and freight facilites and activities within it. The PANYNJ is one of many organizations operating in the port. One's understanding of the difference between the Port of NY?NJ and the PANYNJ is crucial for making edits.Djflem (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello Djflem -- We are in violent agreement, then.  It's just a matter of discussing changes beforehand, so no one is surprised. Rhadow (talk) 16:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

It has been suggested that the section Port Authority of New York and New Jersey#Seaports be made more concise and information be merged and or shifted to Port of New York and New Jersey.Djflem (talk) 14:52, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Support the terminals while under some jurisdiction of the PANYNJ have different histories with arrangements with other public and private organisations.Djflem (talk) 14:52, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Support since it is more appropriate to move details about the area's seaports to the article about the area's maritime activity. 100.12.10.26 (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Living in and reading about New York, I have never seen the Port Authority called "PANYNJ" anywhere except here.  That acronym looks like internal bureaucratese.  Everyone refers to it in brief as "the Port Authority".  Should this article do so?  Zaslav (talk) 02:50, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Zaslav, both "PANYNJ" and "Port Authority" are valid shorthand for this organization. It's important to be consistent in the usage of abbreviations, though. Since there are several organizations that are called "Port Authority", I think it should be abbreviated as "PANYNJ" where such confusion may exist, and "Port Authority" in other circumstances. In this case, there may be confusion with other port authorities so I think we should keep "PANYNJ". epicgenius (talk) 03:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
epicgenius, thanks for your reply.  I disagree with your conclusion about this article.  In this article, the PA of NY and NJ is the topic.  Any other Port Authority that is mentioned should be named clearly, of course, and if there is a comparison the two should be distinguished.  However, although you say "PANYNJ" is valid shorthand, I do not recall once, in a long time's reading about it, seeing that used.  I may have forgotten a few cases, but they would have been very few.  In conversation it is always called "the Port Authority".  Thus, as a New Yorker familiar with normal usage, I think PANYNJ is an unnatural usage for an enclycopedia.  This article (and others that mention the PA) would be improved by changing it.  Zaslav (talk) 04:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
@Zaslav: OK, I must be mistaken. In this case I am fine if you change "PANYNJ" to "Port Authority", and whenever the article discusses other port authorities, we can clarify these instances. epicgenius (talk) 05:00, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your considered agreement!  I will get to it soon.  Zaslav (talk) 05:22, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
@Zaslav: I don't see an issue with leaving PANYNJ in the article. It may not be that common in casual usage in the NYC area, but the website is at PANYNJ dot com, and the initials appear all over documents and web pages on the website. It's also fairly common from Google searches. - BilCat (talk) 05:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I wouldn't consider The New York Times "casual usage".  And I wouldn't consider "never" to be "not that common".  Zaslav (talk) 08:37, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Other than the lead sentence, PANYNJ is used thrice in the article, two of those being in captions, while "Port Authority" is used over 85 times. Is that really that big of a problem for you that you have to excise it from existence? - BilCat (talk) 09:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Aside from the snark in our previous 3 posts, you are right.  I had the impression from a different article that it was PANYNJ throughout, and I never got around to checking.  I may (or may not) adjust the usage but I would not eliminate the acronym.  There is already a redirect from PANYNJ, which is good.  Zaslav (talk) 03:54, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

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Financially, the Port Authority has no power to tax and does not receive tax money from any local or state governments. Instead, it operates on the revenues it makes from its rents, tolls, fees, and facilities 

I feel this is pretty significant and should be mentioned in the lede. In my experience this is how people end up interacting with PANYNJ since they charge a lot of fees, compared to many other transportation authorities which are heavily subsidized. Perhaps I'm missing context though and this could be a more common thing than I realize. App1nator (talk) 17:58, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

it seems other transportation agencies do mention their self-sufficient revenue status in their lede's:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Port_Authority
Massport is a financially self-sustaining public authority whose transportation facilities generate more than $600 million annually 2601:1C2:C181:FF20:2552:D0EE:4E0E:4D4C (talk) 02:27, 15 April 2025 (UTC)