# Talk:Sonic Generations

Hello editors- I have noticed, in my quick glance-over, that the first section of the artice doesn't have any sources. This makes it really hard for this article to obtain GA status. I must ask, if possible, for the first section to be cited. This will make it much more likely to obtain GA status. So far, this article is great! It just needs one more change. Cocohead781 (talk) 17:24, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi there. Thank you for trying to help, but please read WP:LEADCITE. Basically, there's not supposed to be sources in the intro paragraphs - they're supposed to only contain information that is covered later in the article, and as such, it would be redundant. If you browse through the article, the points you're talking about do indeed seem to be sourced later in the article. Sergecross73 msg me 18:22, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sonic Generations/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: TarkusAB (talk · contribs) 04:07, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Gameplay

The levels are split into three separate eras:... - This whole sentence isn't backed up by the source.
Reference added.
I can't find where in the Eurogamer source it says the classic gameplay is similar to the 1990s games. Can't you point out the phrase to me? TarkusABtalk 20:57, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Whoops, I don't think that was the source I meant to add. Better footnote to IGN and Destructoid.
Classic Sonic's gameplay is restricted to 2.5D, side-scrolling gameplay... - This whole sentence isn't backed up by the source.
Reference added.
Still not seeing it. I did a search for Dreamcast in both sources footnoted at the end of the sentence, and got no results. You're calling out that each room is identified to an era and even give them capitalized names. Information that defining should be in the source. If you can't find a source, then perhaps the sentence needs to be removed. TarkusABtalk 20:57, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
I think you're talking about a different sentence, but I've added a few RSes on the eras.
Classic Sonic's gameplay is restricted to 2.5D, side-scrolling gameplay similar to the original titles released in the 1990s - The way this is written implies the original titles released in the 1990s were also 2.5D, which is not true.
Fixed.
You mention that missions appear in the hub world but don't mention what they are/how they work
Explained.
The original Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) can be unlocked - Since we talked about how there are 2 different Sonics in the game, you may want to specify that this is a video game, not another character. May seem obvious to us but not all readers.
Done.
On the tables, I think it's good information and currently I'm OK with them, but others may not feel the same way. You may want to look into some way of maybe collapsing them in the future, as they kind of break the flow of the article.
Alright, I'll try to collapse them. That'll probably be a good idea if I bring it to FAC.
Development

in "vivid" HD graphics - replace with "in high-definition graphics" or place a (HD) after the first time you mention high-definition in the sentence. Either way, "vivid" doesn't tell us anything here.
Done.
to make it "cool and unique" - replace with "to make it unique", "cool" tells us nothing, the key thing is unique and we don't need quotation marks for that.
Done.
and researched "the core fanbase" - Does the interview go into any more detail here? like how they gathered from fans?
Unfortunately no -- Iizuka just said they polled each Sega worker and then researched the fanbase. My best guess would be that they used Sonic Retro forums or something, but that's not in the source given.
visual element to "keep things fresh" - replace with "visual element to provide a new dynamic" or any rewording really to get rid of the quote.
Done.
Iizuka stating "We didn't know how far we could push" the system's capabilities. - Replace with "Iizuka claiming they were unfamiliar with the system's capabilities and limitations."
Done; I've also worded it to be in the past-tense.
Fans who attended a "Sonic Boom" event in Los Angeles on June 8, 2011 or the "Summer of Sonic" in London on June 25 I'm unfamiliar with these events. What was the nature of these events? Are they Sonic fan conventions?
Yep. Reworded.
Release

and the New York Comic Con which year?
2011.
never before seen pictures, a documentary disc about the history of Sonic, a music album containing tracks selected by Sonic Team (see above) - Source doesn't say they are "never before seen"
Reworded to follow the source.
a music album containing tracks selected by Sonic Team (see above) - Not a fan of the "See above", just write out the soundtrack name and the reader can make the connection.
Done.
Reception

Nearly all the quotes here can be paraphrased. Quotes should only be kept when a critic says something so unique, particular, or just so well-written and fully descriptive of the game or game component that paraphrasing doesn't do it justice.
Paraphrased practically all of the lengthy quotes.
Lead

It features two gameplay modes: "Classic", which plays from a 2.5D, side-scrolling perspective like that of the original Sega Genesis Sonic games - see above
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Other

I recommend archiving your sources: https://tools.wmflabs.org/iabot/index.php?page=runbotsingle
Alright I will.
First pass, done. Way too many quotes that could definitely be paraphrased with a little thought and a thesaurus. Also, always be mindful with making sure the information is supported by the footnotes. I'll take another look once the above is addressed. TarkusABtalk 04:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll address these later today; I'm just not able to right now. Thanks for reviewing. JOEBRO64 11:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@TarkusAB: I've responded above and resolved the issues. JOEBRO64 18:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@TheJoebro64:  replied above TarkusABtalk 20:57, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@TarkusAB: I think I've resolved everything. Responded above. JOEBRO64 21:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@TheJoebro64: OK everything looks good. Yea sorry I mixed up the sentences but you figured out what I meant and resolved both issues. Pass TarkusABtalk 22:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Just wanted to ask a question: does anyone know why IPs keep removing Sonic Mania in the legacy section? (Like this?) They're not providing edit summaries so I don't know why they're removing it. JOEBRO64 23:17, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't see a valid reason either. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:58, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Me neither. The fanbase is weird in a number of different ways. I imagine this is one of their weird quirks or hangups. I don't see a valid reason for removal. Sergecross73 msg me 01:32, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
It works for Runners and Forces since those games differentiate between "classic" and "modern" Sonic as if they're 2 different characters, but that doesn't happen in Mania, Sonic is just Sonic, nothing to do with Generations. (Yes I know about the connection between the 2 games, but that applies to Forces more than it does to Mania). DekuHero (talk) 21:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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Please explain why did you remove "Like the original, it received positive reviews". You know reviews are similar, so what's wrong with the comparison. Why do you keep removing something that dosent need to be removed? Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 22:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps there a better or more efficient way of noting it? It's not always black and white, yes or no options. Sergecross73 msg me 22:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I would argue a remastered game getting similar reviews to the original isn't really significant enough for the lead, because it's what everyone expects. It would be more notable if it got much higher or much lower reviews. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 22:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Cyberlink420, explain why it isn’t significant enough for the lead? It should. Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 22:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I believe they're saying that remasters commonly get the same scores as the original because they're commonly the same thing with some minor upgrades. It might be better to refocus on the reception of Shadow Generations which is specifically new content. Sergecross73 msg me 00:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Shadow Generations has it's own article. Your not making any sense. And besides, it doesn't has to be the same scores. The reception can still be similar no matter what. Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 01:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Shadow is still discussed in the article, but that aside, how often do remasters get drastically different scores? Name some that did substantially better or worse. Sergecross73 msg me 02:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
What are you talking about and what does that even mean? Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 22:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I think we should add the critic scores for Sonic x Shadow Generations to the Sonic Generations page. However, I have seen two different ways of doing this. I saw the Super Mario 3D World page added the Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury critic scores to the reception section but Sonic Colors created a new section for Sonic Colors: Ultimate with the reception separate from the original. If my explanation doesn't make sense, you can compare the pages for yourself. My question is which of these should we do. I am not qualified to do this so I'm asking someone else to. Anonymous29345 (talk) 16:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

The Mario example is probably more relevant, considering its more similar in structure and concept. Both feature a remaster and a separate completely new add-on. Sonic Colors Ultimate was largely just a basic remaster, and doesn't have a separate article either (nor should it.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)