# Talk:Protagonist (Persona 3)

I'm worried that enough of the reception section seems to be about the mechanics of the game and not a reception for the character in general. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Me too. I'm struggling to see this character's independent notability when all of his information is aggregated from mentions within articles on pieces of media themselves. I spot checked the sources and I'm seeing no in-depth discussion of the character on his own terms. czar ♔ 02:23, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Makoto Yuki (Shin Megami Tensei: Persona)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: ProtoDrake (talk · contribs) 11:21, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

It may take a few days, but I'll do my best to review this article. --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:21, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Just a few things I might question.

"As he or she works with SEES" - In the rest of the article, the Protagonist is alluded to exclusively as male, and no option to change gender is mentioned.
"developing into a mature person as he is initially struck about being an orphan." - Not entirely sure about the grammar here.
You might want to expand the rational for this image into a full one.
Maybe you should get a reference for Yurl Lowenthall voicing the character. I can't see one anywhere in this article.
I think you should change to dmy dates for all references for consistency.
And that's it for now. --ProtoDrake (talk) 07:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I already gave it touch.Tintor2 (talk) 15:20, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Alright. I can't see any other issues. I'll rate this as a Pass. Nice work. --ProtoDrake (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Should we perhaps shorten the title of this article, along with Aigis', to simply Makoto Yuki (Persona and Aigis (Persona) respectively? A lot of the recent Persona games and media have dropped the Shin Megami Tensei moniker entirely in the West (also taking into account Japan doesn't use it at all) and it's not like there's any other series called "Persona" featuring characters with those names. Wonchop (talk) 01:31, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

This move only makes sense when the main pages Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 and Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 are moved to Persona 3 and Persona 4 respectively. But that doesnt seem likely to happen any time soon. —KirtZMessage 04:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
One thing to note, though, is that the overall character list is called List of Persona 3 characters as opposed to List of Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 characters, same with Persona 4. The games have their own issue concerning how they are individually published, but the characters themselves seem to represent Persona as opposed to Shin Megami Tensei: Persona. Wonchop (talk) 12:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, true, although character lists do tend to fly under the radar. I've been thinking, we dont even need the (SMT Persona) extra. Aigis' spelling is unique from Aegis and Makoto Yuki already has the disambiguation note. This should suffice. The titles are longer than they need to be, especially with P3 and P4. —KirtZMessage 22:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I also want to suggest if we can change the title to Makoto Yuki (Persona) as well. We all know that the protagonist of P3 is canonly male since the game's first release and due to the movie releases as well as Dancing Moon Night. Atlus has officially given the P3 Protagonist the name Makoto Yuki as a canon name in it's respective media. Atlus has not confirmed and continued it's manga name. So it makes sense to change the page's title to his actual name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrorthesoul (talk • contribs) 05:16, 14 April 2018 (UTC) 

Canonicity is irrelevant to what we title articles. What matters here is ① the common name for the subject in English-language, reliable sources, and ② the scope of the article (the player character of Persona 3).
The answer to the first point is complicated - RSs refer to the character as the protagonist/hero/main character, Makoto Yuki, and Minato Arisato, depending on what piece of Persona 3 media they comment on, so it is hard to say that there is a single common name, unlike Yu Narukami who has consistently been named that in everything (except Persona Q) since the Persona 4 anime was released. The second point means that "Makoto Yuki" and "Minato Arisato" do not work as they exclude the female protagonist, who clearly fits in the intended article scope. Because of this, I can only see descriptive article titles such as "Protagonist" or "Main character" work for this article.--Alexandra IDVtalk 11:46, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Is it not possible to add a section in the page to discuss about the Female Progaonist? Mirrorthesoul (talk) 04:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Opposed: The female protagonist has no canon name (the musicals aren't canon, but they did give her one "officially" used name) and she has a personality that can be viewed as completely separate from the male protagonist. I just think for consistency's sake, it should be left as "Protagonist." lullabying (talk) 10:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Support Both he and the female MC do now, per Persona Q2. There is also no way "Protagonist" is the common name for this character, and WP:NATDIS would also support this move proposal. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Wait, so how would be name? Does the female protagonist also have a name? Also, shouldn't thus this article have more coverage for the female character from the PSP port and the PQ2?Tintor2 (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Makoto Yuki should be this article's title, per my post. And the female MC is now officially canonized as Minako (as seen in Persona Q2 here) by Atlus, which was previously just a fan name sourced from 主人 公子 that means shujin kouko, or "main character girl". She should definitely at least have a section here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I guess Commander Shepard would be a good example to follow then even though that article is not GA. However, this article would need further coverage in regards to Minako such as creation and reception to retain its current status.Tintor2 (talk) 18:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
But do you oppose the article's title moving to Makoto Yuki? That's my only issue right now. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm blocked to be honest. I haven't played Persona 3 Portable or Q2 (I only played Persona 3 Vanilla) so I don't understand well how Atlus is making a difference with the two characters. Maybe the title could be "Makoto Yuki and Minako" to avoid a redirect similar to Rose and Bernard Nadler who are two characters in one article with the infobox showing the two protagonists similar to the infobox from Joker? Maybe we'll need a another opinion.Tintor2 (talk) 20:24, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
comment - I thought Q2 you could name the female protagonist, same as in the vanilla game. I'm against moving the article to a non WP:COMMONNAME Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:02, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
The current title is fine.  As discussed in the article itself and here on the talk page, the protagonist has had lots of names in different media, and the article's scope includes the female protagonist from P3 Portable.  SnowFire (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

The names Makoto Yuki and Kotone Shiomi are the default names used in the P3P 2023 release if that matters at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCJLyINn7-A https://exputer.com/news/games/persona-3-portables-switch-protagonist/   WidelyUnavailable (talk) 18:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

In the multiplatform release, changing the language of the game will change the name in the save data to be "Makoto Yuki" for the male protagonist and "Kotone Shiomi" for the female protagonist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCJLyINn7-A 
This is in the game itself and not a spinoff or sequel game unlike the other times the name "Makoto Yuki" have been used. Kotone Shiomi was first used in the play but had had its use in official capacity in crossover events before this. I believe the page should be changed or moved to reflect the confirmation of names WidelyUnavailable (talk) 20:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I know this is old, but I agree that a move would be more appropriate than just leaving the page as "Protagonist". ThanatosApprentice (talk) 22:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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