# Talk:Scotland under the Commonwealth

I confess to being ignorant of exactly the implication. At the least, could there be an inline cite for this in the lead, as a quote? Also in the lead, what is a sectary?? And non-Scottish readers may not know what "the Kirk" is. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

The best way to deal with Kirk is to put in a link to the Kirk Party article, and to the Covenanter article.
The "meaner sort" non-nobility (think French revolution, lawyers, merchants and the like). Perhaps another way to look at it is who was excluded from the general pardon and forced to pay reparations see Cromwell's Act of Grace. That lot were clearly not the meaner sort!
In England a similar problem happened in Cromwell's Other House with all but one of the old aristocracy, even though parliamentary supporters in the Civil War, refusing to sit with the like of Pride and Hewson, the first  of whom had been a drayman and the other a cobbler before the English Civil War. Sir John Hewson also got in in the neck (literally!) from the apprentices of London who used to throw old shoes at him as he walked through the city (did not like to see someone rise above their station in life). (In the Sharpe TV series about the Napoleonic Wars, Sharpe a fictional British soldier raised from the ranks, is always being told by both soldiers and officers "he is not a proper officer" because he is not a gentleman (born with a silver spoon in his mouth)).
In England it was the "middling sort" (to use a term used by Richard Baxter[1] and others of the time that has become common coin[2][3]), not peasants but artisans yeomen etc, who were the backbone of the revolution. To quote Cromwell's famous line "I'd rather have a plain, russet-coated Captain, that knows what he fights for, and loves what he knows, than that which you call a gentleman and is nothing else".
-- PBS (talk) 22:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 00:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Lead

suggest "Scotland under the Commonwealth refers to the history of Scotland between February 1652 and June 1660, from the declaration that the kingdom was part of the Commonwealth of England until the Restoration of the monarchy and Scotland's position as an independent kingdom."
WP:REFERS discourages "refers" in the opening sentence.--SabreBD (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Fair point. Peacemaker67  (send... over) 11:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
suggest "After the execution of Charles I in 1649, the Scottish Parliament declared his son Charles II to be King of Great Britain and Ireland."
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
suggest a comma after "Under the Tender of Union", "Under the terms of the union" and
suggest "began attempts
Did you do this already, there seem to be commas?--SabreBD (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
suggest "The regime tolerated Protestants, including sectarians, as "sectaries" is a very uncommon word
It is, however, the correct word. Sectarian suggests something else entirely.--SabreBD (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
significant groups - should that be "group"?
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
The "Kirk" needs explanation.
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
suggest "The Kirk was divided into Resolutioners and more hard line Protesters by the issue of co-operation with the crown."
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
the use of "regime" is repetitive.
 Done. Changed some to Commonwealth.--SabreBD (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
suggest "and facilitated the Restoration of Charles II in 1660."
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Background

suggest you split this sentence into two, as follows: "Having supported Parliament in the First English Civil War (1642–46) under the Solemn League and Covenant, the Covenanter government in Scotland came under the control of the Engagers. As part of the Second English Civil War they invaded England in support of royalist risings, and were defeated by the New Model Army under Oliver Cromwell at Battle of Preston in 1648."
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
suggest you explicitly state that the Scottish Parliament were the ones who declared Charles II king, and king of Great Britain and Ireland, as the casual reader might think it was just Scotland.
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

add a comma after "was no rising in their favour"
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Constitutional status

check the quote "so much of Scotland as it now under" should "it" be "is"?
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Administration

Scottish Estates needs explanation
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

£50,0000?
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

suggest "by 1655, and was still not complete"
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

"by a seven commissioners"
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Resistance

suggest "As a result, the military Royalist military effort petered out."
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Religion

"the Kirk" needs explanation
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

should  "Consultations" have an initial capital?
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

see my earlier comment re: sectaries
'Economy and taxation

"free quarter" needs explanation. Do you mean "free quarters"
 Done.--SabreBD (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)