# Talk:United States rainfall climatology

The beauty of this article, unvarnished with facts as it were (!), is that it can be made up-to-date with the addition of separate statistics for El Nino and La Nina, which most articles don't have. Dumbly comparing this years statistics to last is silly if the oscillation has switched. Student7 (talk) 16:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to remember that. Unvarnished with facts is a great phrase. hehehehe. The situation is being resolved. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The name of this article has changed, to reflect a more accurate representation of the topic. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The GA nomination is on hold for the following reasons:

Hawaii and insular areas are not included.
Have included some information for these areas, and will expand them out some more. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about mentioning this late, but Alaska too, since I assume that its rainfall climatology is more complicated than just a snowier version of the west. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I realized this just after posting my last message. Alaska is essentially complete now. I'm looking around to see if there's a state average pcpn map for the state. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
The coverage is a bit unbalanced. For example, all but one paragraph of the Great Lakes section is about snow, with one tiny paragraph devoted to summer precipitation. The Northeast section does not even mention whether it is wetter in summer, winter, or about the same through the year. Basically, the different regions should make sure that analogous info for one section is included in all if applicable.
The problems noted with the Northeast and Great Lakes should now be fixed. Tried to shorten the monsoon section as well. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
How many centimeters of snow are equivalent to 1 centimeter of rain, for the purposes of determining the amount of precipitation a place gets?
I have now included the average SLR for the contiguous United States within the article, as well as the uncertainty in measuring liquid equivalent from snowfall in the arctic, with the appropriate references. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
If it is applicable, it might be prudent to mention if the Great Lakes make the rainfall climatology less strongly continental than would be expected from an area in the middle of a continent.
I did add this mention, with a reference. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
The article will be re-reviewed once these concerns are fixed. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 16:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll address these concerns...thanks for the review. As for the "how much snow is equivalent to how much liquid precipitation" comment, that depends on the observer. Some places use a 10:1 ratio as a default (especially if it melts soon after impact), while others melt down the snow and figure the liquid equivalent that way. Automated stations may or may not have a heating tipping bucket rain guage. Even if they do, you lose up to 40% of snowfall/liquid equivalent if you depend solely on a heated tipping bucket, due to sublimation and drifting. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I've done a lot today, and think I've mostly covered your concerns. Let me know what I've missed. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I feel that my concerns are mostly addressed. However, I still think that the snow/rain ratio should be included if there is some common ratio (10:1 eg). Also, the addition of info has resulted in not all sections covering the effects of both cold and warm ENSO. I think that this last concern would be better solved by spinning it off into a new article, Effects of ENSO in the United States. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It could be. The problem is, ENSO only correlates to rainfall across part of the US. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
To which temperature etc could be added, as in the picture. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 02:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I have now included the average SLR (snow to liquid ratio) for the contiguous United States within the article, as well as the uncertainty in measuring liquid equivalent from snowfall in the arctic, with the appropriate references. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Since my conserns are/currently being addressed, I feel that this meets the criteria for being a GA now. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 18:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. =) Thegreatdr (talk) 20:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Would anyone mind if I rewrote the section on Great Plains rainfall? The explanations given for the dynamics and moisture transport are almost totally wrong. Raymond Arritt (talk) 04:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course you can...it's wikipedia. The first part of that paragraph was probably the only portion of the original article that survived the rewrite. As long as everything added is referenced, all is good. Thegreatdr (talk) 05:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I might reference a couple of my own papers in the process. That's mildly discouraged, but I'll go ahead and if anyone objects they can replace them with other refs. Raymond Arritt (talk) 06:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't have an issue with that. Within the tropical cyclone project, I end up having to reference the rainfall images I've created over the years in order to include rainfall data. Thegreatdr (talk) 06:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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