# Talk:Thomas Trueblood

This article was viewed over 6,800 times in two days after it appeared on DYK in Jan. 2008.Cbl62 (talk) 22:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The article passes the main elements of good article review.  I have a few concerns.
"At the turn of the century, speech and oratory still played a prominent role in American academia."  Y I have linked to the source and also modified the phrase to clarify the basis for the statement.  Cbl62 (talk) 00:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
"Handy went on to become one of the most successful public relations men in the country." Y Changed "one of the most successful" to "a successful."  Cbl62 (talk) 00:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
"In 1932, Michigan's greatest collegiate golfer, Chuck Kocsis, enrolled at the university." Y Deleted descriptor and replaced with factual statement about Kocsis being first golfer inducted into Hall of Honor.  Cbl62 (talk) 00:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
All three of these lines have problems with WP:NPOV#Let_the_facts_speak_for_themselves.  Either the descriptor should be removed, facts should be added, or the source of the claim needs to be asserted.  Y Cbl62 (talk) 00:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
"Other sources indicate that the locomotive cheer was begun at Princeton in the 1890s."  Needs to be sourced.  The link that follows to another article should be removed too once sources are added to to support this claim.  Y Citations to sources outside wikipedia have been added in place of the reference to another article.  Cbl62 (talk) 01:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The last 4 references need to be fully cited with author, access date, date posted, publisher, etc (when applicable).  Y Cbl62 (talk) 00:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The locomotive cheer sounds so famous that it might be added to the lead but I don't know enough about the cheer to testify to its importance.

Because of uncertainty as to whether the locomotive cheer was invented by Trueblood or others at Princeton, I do not think this appropriately belongs in the lead.  Cbl62 (talk) 00:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
That's a good enough reason for me.User:calbear22 (talk) 07:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Overall, the article is very good.User:calbear22 (talk) 02:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

If I may add one thing, I think consistency with either "UM" or "U-M" is needed. And whichever way you go, it should be explained in parentheses the first time the university is mentioned. For example, "the first coach of the University of Michigan (UM) golf and debate teams." Y - The only remaining U-M is in a direct quote.  Cbl62 (talk) 00:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I hope this helps, GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

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