# Talk:The Tortured Poets Department

In the track listing section one of the notes need to be changed as it says
“Physical edition of The Anthology includes live versions of "Fortnight", "Down Bad", "But Daddy I Love Him" and "Guilty as Sin?" as bonus tracks.”
This is incorrect as Swift released the back cover on social media (sources: X and Facebook) and it says the bonus tracks are acoustic versions, not live versions, this is also reinforced on Target’s website so the notes should read:
“Physical edition of The Anthology includes acoustic versions of "Fortnight", "Down Bad", "But Daddy I Love Him" and "Guilty as Sin?" as bonus tracks.” 2601:806:8204:55F0:90D4:8861:D250:78B4 (talk) 04:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. While I think those social media posts suggest that we might need to make a change, we should wait on reliable sources that verify this. ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

May I fix a grammar mistake? You guys left out an important part, the abbreviation (TTPD) 67.218.82.228 (talk) 18:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done, information already contained in a footnote. Rfl0216 (talk) 19:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I think The Anthology is notable enough to warrant splitting into its own article. The additional Anthology tracks are long enough to comprise a separate album, it has its own lyrical themes distinct from the main album, and it has also received its own media coverage separate from the main album too (e.g., reviews assigning a separate score for The Anthology, and the late 2024 physical release).
Additionally, it is not unusual for album reissues (further discussion may be needed to categorise this as a reissue) to receive its own article, examples include SOS Deluxe: Lana, Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection and Halcyon Days (see more: Category:Reissue albums). 
Would love to hear your opinions on this! Thanks in advance. TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 09:40, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Most if not all sources treat The Anthology as a deluxe edition, not something entirely different. Plus, the examples you give were released at least a year after the original album while The Anthology was released a few hours after the original. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:52, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
Yes, exactly. But details about the composition of the songs from The Anthology should be added to the article. This is more of a personal opinion, but when I think of TTPD, I think about the whole body of work. I just think it doesn't warrant a separate article. Jorge Lobo Dos Santos (talk) 12:36, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
TTPD's anthology was not a re-issue per se, it was more of an expansion with no changes in the prior existing material, and was an integral part of the main project making it a double album. In contrast, teenage dream's complete confection came after 2 years with changes and remixes, making it a whole new product, while ttpd anthology came out 2 hours later, with songs intended to complete the album with similar themes. AteMyHeart (talk) 18:40, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
exactly. Jorge Lobo Dos Santos (talk) 19:58, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

Hey, I know the topic of July 18, 2024 was also concerning the variants, but I had a different question. The question of July 18th was merely about the effect of the variants on the commercial success of the album, but I feel like the variants do need to be mentioned and explained on the page. In order to be concise, I have mentioned the bonus tracks as a note underneath the track listing. Plus, I have also added the release dates in the Release History subsection. My question was mainly; is this addition to the page necessary and clear? In my opinion it is, but if not, please let me know why that would be and how I can improve. RuuBjAh (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi @RuuBjAh:, I'm replying here re. your comments on my talk page. I think variants are only notable for inclusion in the "Release history" table if, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, those variants are notable and are discussed in prose (e.g. The Anthology vinyl release). As for the editions that you added (bonus acoustic tracks et al), they can be classified as Excessive listings of unexplained statistics so a summary-style sentence in prose is sufficient. Of course, if there are other viewpoints, I'm open to discuss. Ippantekina (talk) 04:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
I generally concur with Ippantekina here. A table pushes the limits on NOTGLOSSARY (I don't feel comfortable outright saying it outright crosses the line). I think of it similar to how Wikipedia probably shouldn't cover each and every impression and printing of Moby-Dick. A couple sentences of prose can more than adequately cover the character of these variants. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
I would argue that these variants were different releases than the regular TTPD album. They were all released with the same 16 tracks of TTPD, so they are editions of the album. However, they have a different album cover, a different release date and a different track #17, so they are inherently different from the TTPD that was released on April 19 (Or November 29, for The Anthology).
Similarly, with Midnights, the Lavender/Japanese edition and Late Night edition were also mentioned in the track listing and the release history on that page. These variants are no different than the Late Night edition - it's just that there are fifteen editions instead of one. So I think it's important to think about how to make it concise, but complete and currently, I'd say it's incomplete.
Also, these variants are definitely notable for TTPD. There's a lot of information on the page that is less notable for TTPD than the variants (i.e. the use of the apostrophe, Rep TV speculation, the release of Speak Now TV and 1989 TV etc). In my opinion, after the Eras tour, the relationship drama with Joe, Matty and Travis and the release of a double album, the different variants is the most significant part of the album roll-out. Besides the fact that there were so many different versions, the backlash against the amount of variants (for example, people saying she was boosting her sales/blocking other artists) was definitely widely discussed among the GP. Currently, the only mentions of the variants are three sentences at the end of "Promotion and release" and I think that's majorly undercutting the importance of the variants.
True, other artists were releasing different variants and it is unfair to state that Taylor's sales were boosted or anything, but that's not what this is about. The truth of the matter is; Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish, Charli XCX weren't criticized for having alternate versions of their album - Taylor was. Plus, they didn't release half as many variants as Taylor did.
I'd argue in favor of a "Limited Edition Variants" section underneath "Promotion and Release" to discuss the way the variants were structured, what they included and their significance in the cultural Zeitgeist. I know that that's adding extra and making it less concise, but it is a very important part of TTPD. Let me know what you guys think or if you know a different way to still mention these variants without clogging up the page. RuuBjAh (talk) 12:16, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Does anyone else think that the infobox is too long with all the listed studios? I'm wondering if it would be better to put them into a collapsible template stating "Various" that show all the studios when expanded? I know I've seen it before and I think it would help condensing the infobox. Currently on my screen (on the Vector 2022 layout), the inbox almost reaches into the "themes and lyrics" section, which seems rather excessive if something can be done about it. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 19:00, 10 October 2025 (UTC)