# Talk:Moria, Middle-earth

This seems gratuitous and made for Christian up-ticking. It yields no information about the subject at hand (the fictional mine kingdom of Moria) nor Tolkien’s choices in making it. I suggest deletion of the reference. Without prejudice of the claim, which seems quite likely, but serves no purpose here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:D100:72ED:20C1:217C:5B11:C4D5 (talk) 16:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC) 

The lead is as usual just a summary of the article body. The Analysis section cites multiple scholars, who relate Moria and the characters in it to multiple sources in literature, folktale, and archaeology; these are all covered evenly in the summary, with no particular emphasis on Christianity, but no special avoidance of it either. Since Tolkien was a Roman Catholic and stated explicitly that Lord of the Rings was a Catholic work, scholars have rightly analysed the book's allusions to Christianity, and our task here is to report on those neutrally, which is what the lead and fully-cited article body does. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:29, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Durin's Day redirects here, but is not mentioned.  ZFT (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Well spotted, it certainly shouldn't be coming here. Will fix. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

In the "adaptations" there is no reference to the Amazon series 2A02:C7E:4EA7:8000:496:ACC1:8F7D:396 (talk) 16:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

When Reliable Sources have written about it, it will be possible for interested editors to add a brief mention. Since the series has only started to air a few days ago, and is largely tangential to most of the existing articles' subjects, it's a bit premature to be demanding instant references. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

The land of the dwarfs is being called "Khazad-dûm" (beside Moria).
In the series "Babylon 5" the home world of the so called "shadows" is being called "Zha-Hadoum" (sorry if misspelled).
"Khazad-dûm" and "Zha-Hadoum" sound very similar so it would be appreciated if it could be researched if this is a coincidence or there's any reference to Tolkien like Homage etc.
If result will be that there's a reference this could be then a topic for a chapter "Trivia" in this article. 95.223.72.227 (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

This is basically off-topic for this article, and would probably be unusable trivia even if reliably cited. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Why is there a redirect from Gundabad to Moria? If I remember correctly, Gundabad is another once-dwarven, now-Orcish mountain kingdom in the north, half-way between Angmar and Moria. There's some similarities, sure, but the word "Gundabad" is not even mentioned a single time in the article. 2A00:6020:40B2:2F00:810:5E63:27B2:DB6F (talk) 18:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Well spotted. There was once an article on Misty Mountains, now also a redirect, so Gundabad has no terribly obvious "home", certainly not here. However, it is a plausible search term, and it is mentioned in Dwarves in Middle-earth, so I'll redirect it there now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I have removed the hyphenation from Zirak-zigil, as per cite, under Geography. However, there is a reference under Games to Zirak-Zigil (hyphen, second capital, no italics). Should this be corrected, or is it spelt thus in the game? -- Verbarson  talkedits 17:52, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

It seems (to a non-gamer) that gamers don't use the hyphen. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:54, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
I can certainly confirm your comment to be true Chiswick. While I'm at it, I'm also going to make a new topic here under Talk about a game that should probably be added to the Games section! Alligator023 (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
If it can be reliably cited, it's very welcome. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:16, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I feel that at least something should be added to the Games section about the video game "Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria". Unfortunately, I have neither the experience nor the writing skills to be the person to do so, so I'm simply going to create this topic to hopefully inspire the people who are better writers than I. LotR:RtM has its own Wikipedia page (here), so it may make more sense - rather than writing a paragraph - to write a sentence or two and then provide a "Read more here" link to said page. Alligator023 (talk) 18:17, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

The key is whether a reliable, independent source writes about the game in a way that gives us something worth mentioning. The article isn't that well sourced so it's unclear (without studying all the sources in detail) whether we can proceed. If you know of a source, not from the manufacturer and not a blog/forum/video that says what debt the game has to Tolkien we can use that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:26, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
Yeah, that is a problem. I suppose it is pretty hard to find sources that qualify as both reliable AND independent when discussing a video game haha. From the perspective of someone who has played the game for many hundreds of hours, they took great care to be incredibly accurate to what we know from Tolkien about the entire history of the dwarves, even bringing on people like Corey Olsen (the Tolkien Professor), David Salo (linguist who worked on the languages of Middle-Earth for the films of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings), and John Rhys-Davies (voice actor for Gimli in the films).
However, this is the perspective of a fan and a gamer, not that of an experienced writer nor someone who's particularly good at finding sources that qualify as reliable. Very unfortunate haha. Alligator023 (talk) 18:42, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
A magazine review of the game ought to do the job, but you might have to wait for one to come out. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:46, 25 September 2025 (UTC)