# Talk:Flying Aces (magazine)

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I am looking at the article now, may take me a bit. A few quick points: is "Pulps" really capitalized? I don't know, in all honesty, but it stuck out for me. Also, any chance we could get another pic? The one you have is great... IronDuke 03:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It is easy enough to get additional covers- I am not sure what the policy is on this. Covers are copyrighted, and while its usually ok to have one in the article about the magazine, I'm not sure about having more than one. I'll ask at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems. NoCal100 (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
You are probably correct on the capitalization issue. I've checked a few sources and they don't seem to capitalize it. I'll fix it. NoCal100 (talk) 03:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I've commented at WP:CV about the fair use of cover art. Looking at your article, I don't think there is extensive enough prose about the magazine covers to allow additional non-free artwork. At the moment, you have one very nice illustration which serves that purpose. If you ever expanded the article (for example, your sources discussing the impact of Schomburg's artwork on the magazine's history or the addition of the full-sized plans on sales), than additional illustrations might be warranted. Of course, the prose should only be expanded as it relates to your sourced info -- not simply to add more illustrations, if you know what I mean.  — CactusWriter | needles

“It featured adventure stories, written and illustrated by known authors of the day”
Comma can go.
“The late 1920 through 1930s are...”
You gotta rework this. 1920s? Maybe “The period from x to y is considered.” Lot of ways to do it. 
“including love stories, western stories, detective and mystery stories.” 
Missing “and” before “detective” or maybe have it “as well as detective” to avoid clashing with “and” between “detective” and “mystery.” 
“Fighting the Flying Circus...”
Think you need a comma after “circus.” 
“ mega-budget ($4M)”
I think either leave out number or tell us what it is in 2009 $$.
"flying pulps", 
Comma goes inside quote marks. 
“War Aces, War Birds (1928), Wings (1927), and Flying Aces.”
Why no years for “War Aces” or “Flying Aces?” 
“Joe Archibald and Arch Whitehouse”
Comma after “Archibald.” 
“swear words...”
This feels a touch colloquial for a WP article. Maybe blue link it, or just use “profanity.” 
“"Get rid of the broad. Get her out of the series of Kerry Keene stories."[7]”
Maybe remove the second sentence, as it is redundant: you have established it’ the Kerry Keene stories. 
“The cover art featured dramatic air battle scenes, painted by notable commercial artists of the day, such as...” 
One of those commas can/should go. 
“The plane incorporated many modern design elements such as folding wings...” 
Wow, you actually missed a comma, finally. Between “elements” and “such.” 
"9th pursuit squadron". 
Period inside quote mark. 
“"maybe the worst pilot to fly a plane…downed more Krauts with trickery than any other way". 
Guess...
“Like American WWI war ace Eddie Rickenbacker, he flew a Spad biplane, and was the first pilot to rig the plane with a rear-gun – a shotgun operated with wires form the cockpit.” 
Okay... “WWI war” Ah yes, World War One War, I remember it well. Or does that equal WWII? Maybe have a pic of the Spad here? 
“From the cockpit” not “form.” 
General note: em dashes, not en dashes. 
“During World War II, the content focused...”
Kill the Komma. 
“by Crastens[14], without the...” 
Kill the Komma, or at least put it before your ref. 
“into regional "squadrons',” 
Comma inside, double quote mark, not single.  
“The club arranged meeting between...”
“meetings” or “a meeting.” 
“Cultural references”
You could fold this in with “fan club,” as Fan club is a short section right now. I know the later clubs aren’t fan clubs per se, but maybe there’s a good term for them all. 
“magazine and its old clubs.[18].” 
Extra period. 
So... this looks pretty good. If I had one content thing to add, it would maybe be: what did these magazines mean to the boys/men who read them? What was the significance? HTH IronDuke 19:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this detailed critique. I've gone ahead and implemented all your suggestions, save for one, regarding the "broad" quote in the Keene section. While I agree that there is some redundancy there, the quote is nonetheless a verbatim direct quote from the author about his experience- and I think the repetition emphasizes the extent of the objections he faced when trying to introduce a romantic theme into what was perceived by the readership as a "guys only" realm. If you you feel very strongly about it, I'll trim it, but I think it is better this way. NoCal100 (talk) 01:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Really nice work, NoCal. I think you're well past GA criteria at this point. One last detail "stationary" should be "stationery." I'd fix it myself, but I'm worried that might violate some rule or other. But as soon as you do, you are all set. IronDuke 18:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I've fixed it - thanks for reviewing the article. NoCal100 (talk) 04:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Missing from the history is the post WW II incarnation as Air World for about 18 months. Publication was bi-monthly but a bit erratic; some issues do not appear to exist. Content drifted from full-scale towards models. One of my favorite models, Struhl's Tubular Terror, was published in Air World. Finally, in 1947 (exact date?), Air World disappeared, and Flying Models emerged.
The covers during the war years and Air World period were usually photographs. Flying Models brought back artwork covers, which continued into the late 1950s.
Also worth mentioning are the SAM 1066 books that collected many of the best Flying Aces models. Perhaps someone could add a few photos of models of the era; the Flying Aces Moth would be a good starting point. 
I will gladly provide some images and notes, but I will NOT edit the article. I have more than had my fill of providing content to Vandalpedia, only to see it immediately removed by the Deletion Nazis. If these thugs actually knew something about the material they delete, I could understand it a little, but they just delete things to suit their own image of Vandalpedia.

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

There are uncited statements in the article, including entire paragraphs.
Lulu.com is used as a source, which WP:LULU states is blacklisted on Wikipedia. These will need to be replaced.
Is anyone interested in addressing the above concerns, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 23:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I've stripped out some unsourced material; I've left in one cite to lulu.com that I'm pretty sure I can replace, and I have a couple of other sources I can go to. Give me a week or two if I don't get to it today. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 14:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
@Mike Christie: This article looks a lot better. There's a few uncited statements left in the article. Did you want to address these? Let me know if you want me to add cn tags. Z1720 (talk) 14:12, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
I cut one; I think the only other sentence that needs citing is the one listing other air war pulps.  I can probably find something that covers that later this weekend. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 09:28, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
I've ordered a book that I think will cover the other uncited sentence; it should arrive in a week and I'll see if I can add the citation then. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 16:09, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
Z1720, I just cut the last uncited sentence -- my copy of Dinan arrived and doesn't have anything specifically relevant to the period when Flying Aces was launched. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 20:30, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
My concerns are resolved, and I will not bring this to GAR. Z1720 (talk) 21:41, 16 March 2025 (UTC)