# Talk:Crush 40

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Reviewer: Mz7 (talk · contribs) 18:12, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Rolling around at the speed of sound... Mz7 (talk) 18:12, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to review this article. I'm open to discussion on many of my points, so if I make a suggestion that you don't like, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts. Mz7 (talk) 21:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


### Formation, Thrill of the Feel, and Crush 40
His first major project was Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (1994) – In the Billboard interview, Senoue states "The first Sonic game I worked on was Sonic The Hedgehog 3". It seems to me that while Sonic 3 was the first Sonic game he worked on, it wasn't necessarily his first "major project" at Sega. In the interview cited at the end of the sentence, he says that his role in Sonic 3 was relatively minor: "I wasn't the main composer for Sonic 3, since I was busy doing another project." It seems that Dark Wizard was actually his first "major project" at Sega (it came about before Sonic 3, it looks like)—perhaps the sentence could be reworded to something like His first involvement with the Sonic the Hedgehog series was Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (1994)
Did a little rewording here.  According to Senoue, Dark Wizard was even more so a minor project - he just contributed a medley during the end credits.
"Live and Learn" became one of the most memorable songs on a Sonic soundtrack of the decade – this seems to be a statement of opinion that we would need an in-text attribution for per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV.
Yeah, I caught this after you picked up the review and cursed a little bit and knew that would get called out.  But alas, I was at work and couldn't fix it.  It's fixed now.
Two years after the release of Sonic Adventure 2, – The article doesn't mention when Sonic Adventure 2 was released, so it's not clear to the reader when exactly this is.
Added that in.


### Recordings for Sega and The Best of Crush 40: Super Sonic Songs
File:Crush 40 Logo.jpg seems slightly problematic. The licensing information on Commons describes the image as freely available under the "Free Art License", and it claims the source of the logo is this DeviantArt artist. Is the DeviantArt artist the original creator of the logo, or just someone who decided to draw it one day? If it's the latter, then I'm afraid it may be a derivative work (see commons:COM:DW) and should probably be nominated for deletion on the Commons. The solution would be to re-upload the image locally to the English Wikipedia as non-free content per WP:NFCC.
For now, I went ahead and struck it and I'll take a look at it later to try and figure out which is the situation and reupload if it's not the designer.  It's hard to say just from looking at it because there's been a huge Crush 40 fan community for some time and it may very well be that someone from that community contributed the logo, which wasn't used until 2008.  I thought it was odd too but I also saw it's used on 40 (number), of all places.
Sega announced the first multiplatform Sonic the Hedgehog game, Sonic Heroes. – I would refactor this sentence to avoid close paraphrasing issues with the source, which is almost an exact copy of this sentence. Maybe something like, In 2003, Crush 40 composed two new songs entitled "Sonic Heroes" and "What I'm Made Of" for Sega's Sonic Heroes, the first multiplatform Sonic game.
Used your wording
What are your thoughts on Sonic Stadium as a reliable source (c.f. cite notes 12 and 14)? It strikes me as somewhat questionable, even for interviews with Senoue. It looks to me like a website run primarily by fans, and it's not clear whether it employs professional editors.
Here's my 2 cents: Sonic Stadium is a fansite, and started as a fansite.  But, its staff (including the interviewers) are also the organizers of the Summer of Sonic convention, which is a notable event annually.  While I do still firmly believe their "news" articles would not be reliable, I would think this factor would make interviews reliable.


### Gameography
Are there any sources that can be cited for the information in the explanatory footnotes?
They're cited to the references in the same row on the table.  Do I need to move a citation to make this more clear, and if so, where?
Overall, an interesting article! Only minor concerns above. I noticed that the article has been around to GAN in the past, and looking through the talk page of the article, it looks like for years the article was a redirect due to lack of notability. Excellent work rescuing the topic with the new coverage. The fact that the band was mentioned in the dissertation that you cited in the last sentence of the article is quite fascinating—the name is up there alongside such names as Beyonce, Lil Wayne, and Mariah Carey! Mz7 (talk) 21:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mz7: Thank you.  All comments addressed.  This article was a challenge, but I felt compelled to rescue it since it was this article that brought me here to be a Wikipedian, and that was in 2008. Red Phoenix talk 02:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
@Red Phoenix: Looks good! I will pass this now. I will defer to your judgment on the Sonic Stadium interviews. For the explanatory footnotes, I find it easiest to include ref tags directly in the body of the footnote, e.g. {{efn|1=Lorem ipsum<ref name="example" />}}. This helps make it clearer. Overall, great work! I dug a bit through the history of this article, and I had to chuckle a bit at this giant wall of text submitted by a random new editor back in 2008.  12 years later, we're back at GAN. Mz7 (talk) 18:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't Crush 40 be more Post-grunge? They started in late 90s and have that kind of sound in my opinion.

Our “opinions” as editors don’t matter.  What matters is what reliable sources say - and we have an entire Vice article calling them “glam rock”, along with other sources supporting hard rock.  We don’t have reliable sources calling them post-grunge. Red Phoenix talk 17:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm pretty new to wikipedia (why I haven't used the [] or edited articles) and had not done any research on this (and should have)so thanks for the clarification, thats a great response. Having now read the Andy McDonald article I completely accept your decision.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KnivesFF7 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)