# Talk:Lucy Feagin

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Reviewer: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Howdy! I can take this review; first comments should be done in about a week. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Theleekycauldron It's been a week. SL93 (talk) 01:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
fair enough, my apologies—i should have a bunch of free time tomorrow one way or another, so definitely by then. Possibly by tonight? I'll try. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Thank you. SL93 (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


### Prose
#### Lead
#### Personal life
#### Teaching career
She lectured men and women who wanted to act, sing, or to develop their speech. Listen, it's not transphobia or anything, but I do think that "people" is a better choice for this one.
I put men and women since children weren't included. People wouldn't be exact. SL93 (talk) 00:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
I will change it to adults as being much better than people, but men and women does match the source. SL93 (talk) 00:18, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Is great patriotic pageant the name of the pageant itself or something? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Cleveland Todd added the word "great". I removed it. SL93 (talk) 15:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Recruiters for the radio, screen, and stage were always on hand when the seniors presented their plays — close paraphrasing issue? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:41, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I personally wouldn't consider "for the radio, screen, and stage" as close paraphrasing due to it being a list. SL93 (talk) 00:47, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
i suppose not, but a lot of the article does feel like the sourcing with a thesaurus—a lot of the grammatical structure is still the same. I'm not going to push too hard over it, but I caught a bunch of similarities like that. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:53, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Can you list them? SL93 (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Theleekycauldron I'm really curious because you said there are "a bunch of similarities". I did remove one that looks to have been accidentally added by the GOCE copyeditor. It also makes me curious due to it being a shorter currently B-class article, the Accomplishments section has a few quotes, and the DYK reviewer didn't mention anything. I'm not sure if you're talking about lists such as "a 250-seat Little Theater, a large stage, a broadcast studio, classrooms, and studios for scenery and costume design." or "including Ina Claire, Elizabeth Patterson, and Helen Hayes." Even those two lists are phrased differently than the sources. I'm going to ping the DYK reviewer Lee Vilenski just in case. SL93 (talk) 15:50, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I would classify those as WP:LIMITED. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
looking back through it, I don't think it's a big enough thing to not just be WP:LIMITED—a couple things caught my eye (source: she would have to relocate to a bigger studio to accommodate her ever-growing student population. article: Later she relocated to a larger studio to accommodate her growing number of students), but the harder i look, the less i find. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Again, that wasn't me, but Cleveland Todd. I had "After World War I ended, she resumed her classes at Carnegie Hall, then a new location at 316 West 57th Street in New York City at some point, later relocating to a larger studio for her growing number of students." SL93 (talk) 05:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I would still like to see a list of what would need to be fixed. SL93 (talk) 05:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm going to bed now and hopefully those sentences are posted before I wake up. I first asked for that list two days ago. SL93 (talk) 06:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


#### Accomplishments and legacy
grits and gravy, ham and eggs, and turkey and cranberries — the quote says "as much an American institution as grits and gravy and ham and eggs and turkey and cranberries".
Changed. SL93 (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


### Sourcing
Key to icons:

 — verifies content in full
 — inaccessible citation accepted in good faith
 — verifies content in part
 — verifies content in part, other sourcing verifies rest
 — minor gaps between sourcing and text
 — sizeable gaps between sourcing and text
 — does not verify content

I'm not sure how to properly respond to these, but I think I solved all of the issues in this. For "this source says that feagin was at carnegie for 16 years- does that mean after the war?", I'm not sure and stating as such either way would be original research. SL93 (talk) 01:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Baskin 1938 says that she opened the carnegie hall studio in 1915, and remained there for 16 years; "briefly reopened" and then relocating doesn't sound quite right. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Theleekycauldron I see why I was confused. I didn't add briefly, but the copyeditor did for some reason. I removed the word. SL93 (talk) 05:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


### Neutrality
could easily be the head of a charm school instead of the founder and director of one of the top dramatic schools in the nation: given that quite a few of these quotes and articles are written by 1950s men (this one in particular from Alabama), I'm hesitant to include "head of a charm school" as relevant.
Also, quite a bit of the sourcing seems to point to the idea that she was the most respected woman in dramatics of her day- Varner's article certainly does. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
unrelated, but the beginning of paragraph four sounds like the beginning of "Alexander Hamilton". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I removed the charm school reference. I'm not sure what you mean by the second part. SL93 (talk) 01:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Are you asking for negative articles? I can't add them if there aren't any. SL93 (talk) 02:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Actually, I'm saying that the article downplays a little bit; this isn't GA-disqualifying, I suppose, but it'd be interesting to add the quotes that place her as possibly the foremost woman dramatist and a founder of one of the best drama schools of her time. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


### Broadness
 Pass theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


### Stability
 Pass theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


### Imagery
There was a much better image in one of the newspapers; sucks that it was 1940. Regardless,  Pass. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


### Overall
At the moment, this'll be  On hold. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

yeah, well, okay. despite your desire for the list, my judgement is that it doesn't happen to impede this article from GA status. so, I'm passing this now, and finishing the list either tonight or tomorrow. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
That works I guess. I'm having trouble sleeping anyway. SL93 (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@SL93 In the process of a GOCE edit on this article and I have several questions.

Lead section "Holland's Magazine...." Can you add a date to this? It helps to know if she were just beginning her career or well along in it.
Done. I have the month and year. I just need to source the sentence when you're done with the copyedit. SL93 (talk) 22:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Personal life. "...the Battle of Sharpsburg in 1862, leading to his losing his leg at the Battle of Gettysburg 10 months later." This is a little confusing. Wounded in 1862; loses leg in 1863. Can you clarify? Was he injured the entire 10 months? Was he wounded again at Gettysburg?
Cleveland Todd Done. I found the answer in this book. He was wounded at the Battle of Sharpsburg and then lost his leg due to a different wound at Gettysburg. The two events weren't related. SL93 (talk) 22:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Teaching career. ...to her classes of students, artists, women, and businessmen." "Women" seems out of place here. students and artists can be women. Are these outsiders? Non academics?
Teaching career "... New York's lecture corps in the bureau of education lecturing to parents and other adults." Could not find anything on the "bureau of education." Is the the precursor of the NY(City) Department of Education? Or the New York (State) Education Department?
Teaching career  "... Feagin operated her school for nine years until the beginning of World War I when she closed her studio to aid the war effort." We say she opened her studio in 1915; World War I began for the US in 1917. Where do the nine years come from?
Done. SL93 (talk) 22:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
"... World War I when she closed her studio to aid the war effort." What did she do? This is a pretty big deal - to close her studio -- to do what?
Done. SL93 (talk) 22:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
I'll probably have some more as I continue to edit. Hope this is OK.  Cleveland Todd (talk) 17:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Cleveland Todd I accidentally started editing the article again because I thought the copyedit was done. I hope I didn't cause any edit conflicts. SL93 (talk) 17:48, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
You're ahead of me then. I think you answered 5 and 6. I'm not quite done with the edit. When a GCOE editor finished a project, he puts a template *  Done Cleveland Todd (talk) 17:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC) on the request page. It usually stays up for 24 hrs. when it's removed. I also put a GCOE template on the article talk page when finished. Cleveland Todd (talk) 17:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Sorry. I just woke up. SL93 (talk) 17:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
"After the war ended, she resumed her classes at Carnegie Hall, in its new location at 316 West 57th Street in New York City." - The school opened again briefly at Carnegie Hall, then the school itself was relocated to 316 West 57th Street briefly, and then continued at the Rockefeller Center until the end. I wasn't sure how to word it. SL93 (talk) 18:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
@SL93: Looking good. I'm going to mark this copy edit finished. You'll add the date for Holland's Magazine. The only question still outstanding is on the "lecture corps in the bureau of education." I don't think it's either important or a key issue. Interesting woman; excellent article. Cleveland Todd (talk) 18:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC)