# Talk:New Coimbra Fort

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Nominator: Coeusin (talk · contribs) 20:37, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 20:14, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
I'll get to this shortly--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:14, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Images properly licensed
A photo of the entire fort would be useful, especially one showing how close to the river it is, like on page 53 of Almeida
land which belongs to Paraguay nowadays too casual perhaps "modern Paraguay" instead
link captain-general, captain, lieutenant colonel, schooner, battalion, regiment, smoothbore, rifled gun, battery, gunboat,
He soon determined that the planned fort in the Paraguay River be built. awkward, rephrase
Explain the 300 km mistake
works were started to renew it awkward
Capitalize ranks when immediately followed by the person's name
meeting its hill's slope as it declined. awkward, rephrase
the fort was orderly evacuated awkward, rephrase
spotchecks made on cites 2, 3, 21-24--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:14, 4 September 2025 (UTC)
Hello @Sturmvogel 66: thanks for the review. I feel like I have addressed all the points you raised. Coeusin (talk) 19:58, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm curious about the continued use of the word "Indian" within this article (as well as with the current DYK). I do not speak Brazilian Portuguese well enough to know the ins-and-outs of referring to Payaguá and Kadiwé peoples. However, our current page about the native people of Brazil is Indigenous peoples in Brazil, not Indians in Brazil (the latter redirects to Indian immigration to Brazil). The Indigenous peoples pages begins with the statement "Indigenous peoples in Brazil or Native Brazilians", without mentioning "Indians", aside from referring to historic associations, events, etc. As such, I'm curious why the current article continues to use the term "Indian". Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Pinging Dclemens1971, Coeusin, Cloventt, and Chipmunkdavis. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:10, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
My guess is because "Indian" is the dictionary translation of the source sentence (A expedição foi guiada rio abaixo, desde Cuiabá, por um índio idoso, p. 3). I'm not a Portuguese speaker so I wouldn't try to translate the source to a preferred idiomatic expression, but no objection if other editors want to. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:18, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
Do you have a specific dictionary you've used to translate the sentence? I don't have a physical dictionary, but I've looked at Google Translate and the Cambridge Dictionary, both of which translate índio to Indigenous or native Brazilian, without mention of Indians. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:25, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
@Significa liberdade Google Translate gives me "Indian," as does Collins (which specifies "da America"). Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:00, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
That's odd. When I use Google Translate for the sentence you provided, I get "The expedition was guided downriver from Cuiabá by an elderly indigenous man." Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:33, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
Because of the DYK, this concern has also been raised at WT:DYK#Prep 3: New Coimbra Fort. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:17, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
I used Indian because all of the sources use "índio" rather than "indígena"; Almeida (2019) and Oliveira (2014) use both terms. I think the semantical issue is similar to that present in English, but I'm not sure. I do accept the changes that have been made, they probably make the article clearer. Coeusin (talk) 20:03, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
Again, I don't know enough about the subject, but Google Translate and Cambridge Dictionary translate 'Indian' to 'Indiano/a' in Portuguese. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:11, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
Looking at your userpage, I see your native language is Brazilian Portuguese, so I defer to your understanding of the sources. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:12, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
I hope it’s okay but I went ahead and changed it since povos Indígenas is the current most common term in Brazil. For example. Cheers, Yuchitown (talk) 19:11, 4 November 2025 (UTC)