# Talk:Joseph Massino

This article looks like it's beyond being a stub now, eh? Krupo 06:43, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Does it really need to have a link to things like hand?? Kinda a bit overboard on the links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.28.229.74 (talk • contribs)  

The Feds should have juiced the bastard! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.242.121 (talk • contribs) 

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"a first for a mob boss and for an Italian member of American organized crime. However, that was not to be."
Is it just me reading it wrong. Massino would not have been the first Italian or Italian American in organized crime to be executed would he? Take Louis Capone the Murder, Inc. hitman for example, and Frank Abbandando.
--Alexbonaro 13:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

...or the Black Handers such as Rosario Borgio or Rocco Racco. MadMax 10:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

In October of 2004, the FBI began to dig up bodies at an infamous mob graveyard in Queens known as "The Hole". They were looking for the bodies of three capos killed in a Bonanno civil war in the 70's. They also hoped to find the bodies of Gotti victims, including John Favara, who killed John Gotti's son in a terrible accident, as well as Tommy DeSimone, who was murdered for killing a Gotti crew member (as depicted in the film 'Goodfellas'), Alphonse Indelicato (the father of Anthony Indelicato who Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano requested Donnie Brasco kill in the movie of the same name), Giaconne and Trinchera, as well as Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano who was killed following the Donnie Brasco trial (as featured in the film), and who had killed Tommy DeSimone (as depicted in the film 'Goodfellas'), Indelicato (featured in Donnie Brasco), Giaconne and Trinchera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.147.30 (talk • contribs) 

Does that mean that Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano killed Tommy Desimone???? User:Dmattt 20:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The answer to that is the person who wrote it was saying these were "Gotti victims" (most of which weren't unless you count the killers among the buriers), and that Tommy DeSimone was killed by Gotti's people, which the story is he was. So it was just a bad paragraph, badly worded and some of the things mentioned it that I noted below are outlandish.
Giaconne and Trinchera, as well as Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano who was killed following the Donnie Brasco trial (as featured in the film), 
How can they hope to find the bodies of Giaccone, Trinchera, and Napolitano when they had already found all three bodies two decades earlier.  Giaccone and Trinchera were found in the same lot back in 1981 not long after the murders and Napolitano was found in a bodybag on Staten Island in 1982.  Where did this information come from?  Pluto or Mars?  By the way, in an above paragraph above that ludicrous paragraph it had already said, correctly, that Napolitano had been found with his hands cut off years earlier.  I think somebody vandalised that quoted paragraph above that began with "In October of 2004, the FBI began to dig up bodies . . . ."
Also--a small note--Massino didn't tell Vitale, "John set this thing of ours back a hundred years."  He actually said, "John set us back one hundred years."  Somebody threw in "this thing of ours" to make it sound more official, I suppose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.147.30 (talk • contribs) 

In response to above: Giaccone and Trinchera were NOT found back in 1981 shortly after the murders. Indelicato was, and while the other two were buried in the same lot near his corpse, they were not discovered until information provided by Joseph Massino in 2004 led to the FBI re-excavating the site. This is documented in a number of sources, Anthony DeStefano's "The Last Don" being the most recent. Dugrad 09:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Joseph Massino/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Dana boomer (talk · contribs) 15:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status and should have the full review up within a couple of days. Dana boomer (talk) 15:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 
The lead should be expanded. Per WP:LEAD, three to four paragraphs is appropriate for an article of this length, but they should be longer paragraphs - more than the two or three sentences they are currently.
Throughout the article, there are a lot of short (one and two sentence) paragraphs. These make the article quite choppy to read, especially where there are several of these short paragraphs in a row. While short paragraphs can be used for emphasis, too many of them detracts from the visual and narrative appeal of the article.
I'm guessing you're mostly taking about the early life section. I couldn't find a lot of information, but I'll see what I can do to tighten it up some time soon, and I'll check the rest. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 05:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
A few instances of prose that are rather more suited to a tabloid than an encyclopedia. "Full-blown", "turning states" (in this case, give the full "states evidence"), etc.
Is it "Bonanno Family" or "Bonanno family"? Both are seen in Rise to power section. IMO, it would be the second.
States' evidence, state's evidence or states evidence? I see alll three...
Rise to power, "Massino delivered a request to the Commission" - link and/or explain what the commission is upon this first usage of the term. I see later that it is linked in the Three capos section - the link should be moved to the first occurrence and some explanation of the term should be made.
Done --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 05:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Fugitive, "to be the boss in all but name, even though Rastelli was still officially head of the family,[48] as well as heir apparent." This sentence is confusing to me - is it trying to say that Massino was heir apparent?
That, and his power within the family was more or less on par with the boss himself. Not entirely sure how to further clarify. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 08:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Fugitive, "Once inside, Attanasio then shot Bonventre twice in the head. After Bonventre staggered out of the car," The guy had two bullets in his head and was still able to walk?
Well, fall out of the car at any rate. Rewriting --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 08:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
1986 conviction, "Teamsters Local 814," - link to Teamsters Union?
Done --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 08:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
1986 conviction, "While Massino protested in private" - What is meant by "in private"?
Other mobsters. Clarified. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 05:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
1986 conviction - is the Talladega Federal Prison mentioned the Federal Correctional Institution, Talladega? If so, link?
Couldn't find the article myself. Ta. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 05:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
2004 conviction, "Vitale was already dissatisfied by the lack of support he and his family received after his arrest," - It should probably be made explicit that it was the lack of support from the mafia that he was unhappy with, not a lack of support from the FBI (which is what I first thought when I read this sentence).
Done --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 06:21, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
2004 conviction, "who decided to cooperate after an investigator for Massino's defense team tried to find out if he intended to flip." I'm a little confused by the implications of this sentence. He decided to flip and work for the prosecution after a conversation with the defense? Why?
He was apparently spooked when he found out Massino could still kinda reach him. Tried to clarify. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 06:21, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
In the 2004 conviction section it says that the Sciascia case was severed from the original indictment, but in the Turning state's evidence section it says "if found guilty of Sciascia's murder". How could he be found guilty if the case had been removed?
It was severed for a separate trial, not dropped. Clarifying. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 05:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
The sourcing looks really good. I made a couple of formatting tweaks, but reliability looks good and spotchecks found no problems with copyvio, close paraphrasing or verification.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 
File:Nicholasmarangello1.JPG needs verifiable proof that it was taken by the FBI (a web link or book info, etc.)
File:Bonannosurveillance3.jpg needs verifiable proof that it was taken by the FBI
File:Bonannosurveillance2.jpg - ditto
The last two are both in Five Families, and identified as FBI pics. Couldn't find the first one in any of the books I've got, though, and the uploader doesn't seem to have been active for a while. Will update some time soon --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 07:10, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Overall:
Pass/Fail: 
Overall the article is quite good, and the sourcing is wonderful. I have made a few copyediting tweaks - feel free to revert if I have inadvertently changed any meanings. Once the above (fairly minor) issues with prose and images are dealt with, I expect to have no problems passing this article to GA status. Very nice work! Dana boomer (talk) 02:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Everything looks good now (thanks for the good work in response to my comments), so I'm passing the article to GA. As a final comment, the image licenses would be even better if full information was provided from the Five Families book (page number especially, but also isbn, date, publisher, etc.), but are adequate as is. Again, very good work, Dana boomer (talk) 11:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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