# Talk:Jannik Sinner

The German pronunciation of his name might be [ˈjanɪk ˈzɪnɐ] in the north of Germany, but definitely not in the region where he is from (South Tyrol) and not how he himself pronounces his name. The "S" should not be voiced, and the "i" is much closer to the Italian pronunciation [i] than being [ɪ], especially in "Sinner". The IPA transcription here seems to have just been copied from the Italian WP without critical attitude and detailed knowledge. 2001:4BB8:191:E97B:7449:2F9F:953B:E239 (talk) 13:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

That is not correct. The German pronunciation is much closer to his dialect than the Italian pronunciation. 134.0.2.127 (talk) 15:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
His dialect is one in the southern part of the German speaking area. There are clear pronunciation differences to the German speaking areas in the north, but of course also to (standard) Italian. Importantly, those German dialects in the north underlie the standard German pronunciation in Germany (but not for example in Switzerland and Austria) based on the works of linguist Theodor Siebs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Siebs). Where I agree is that the S in "Sinner" should definitely not be voiced in his dialect. I guess that the transcription above does not consider such regional differences. 2001:4BB8:198:94C2:F473:2730:D655:AC3E (talk) 17:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I keep seeing edits (mostly by IPs), which change content regarding Sinner's background, e.g. [1], [2], [3]. Since I and others keep reverting them, here a few remarks:

Nobody who reads this article could possibly be confused about what citizenship Sinner holds. The fact that he is Italian is stated thrice in the first 5 sentences alone, and is mentioned and implied many more times throughout the article.
What readers might be wondering about is, though, his background, since many people (at least in the Western world) might notice that neither "Jannik" nor "Sinner" sound particularly Italian. The reason for that is that Sinner grew up in a German-speaking family in an almost exclusivly German-speaking town (at the last census, 95.37% of the population of Sexten declared to be German-speakers) in the predominantly German-speaking province of South Tyrol. I strongly feel, it is worthwhile mentioning at least some of that in the lede section. Changing his "German" background to a "bilingual" background is factually incorrect. It doesn't reflect the linguistic reality of rural South Tyrol and, even more importantly, the linguistic reality of Sinner's background: He himself is quite open about the fact that his Italian was poor at the time he moved to Liguria - not uncommon for German-speakers of the area, by the way.
The names of his birth place Innichen and his home town Sexten should match what our articles titles use - for good reasons, see WP:NBZ.
Mai-Sachme (talk) 07:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Aldazuri: First of all, thank for the excellent work you're doing in this article! Regarding the specific point, if we should use Innichen or San Cadido, and conversely Sexten or Sesto: I have reverted your changes for a couple of reasons:

It's simply not true that "all sources use the Italian name of his hometown and birthplace". German sources surely never do that and, if you try, you can also easily find English sources using Innichen instead [4], [5], [6]... I'm willing to admit, though, that in all likelihood a "majority" of sources uses San Candido, since tennis is a sport organized along the lines of national associations and since the Italian association uses (understandably) San Candido. Anyway, I don't find "most sources about this subject use this name variant" a particularly convincing argument. If somebody expands the article about  Sumprabum and finds that most sources about the town prefer Burma, should this usage replace the name Myanmar in this isolated article?
Our wikipedia articles about Innichen and Sexten use these names for good reasons, see WP:NBZ. Both towns have a large German-speaking majority. If an argument holds water to be used for the town name in the respective article, why shouldn't it be valid in other articles?
The Ngram Viewer indicates that Innichen is actually more common English usage (unfortunately, we can't do the same search for Sexten/Sesto, because Sesto happens to be a common Italian given name, family name and town name).
Anyway, what could we do? We could use something like "Innichen (San Candido)" or "Innichen/San Candido". But, honestly, I fear this might just encourage people to start silly edit wars, because they want it to be something like "San Candido (Innichen)" or "San Candido/Innichen". Having many South Tyrolean articles on my watchlist, I can tell you there are many unpleasant precedents for that... Cheers, Mai-Sachme (talk) 07:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Just noticed this. I just want to make sure you understand that Google ngram says nothing about Innichen being the more common English usage. It says that in the books Google uses, Innichen is more common. It says nothing about magazines, news, radio, tv, universities, and any other media. It is a Google book search. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I know that it's impossible to make estimates about "English" in its totality, since we don't have quantifiable data about "TV usage" or "radio usage" and so on. But please note that Wikipedia:Google searches and numbers says that Google Books "provides results that are more likely to be reliable sources", as opposed to raw Google searches, and that's why I wrote the word "indicates" above (I did without that word in the edit summary of my revert, though, that's correct). But for clarity's sake I can surely rephrase it: The Ngram Viewer indicates that Innichen is actually more common in English-language books, which are typically understood as high-quality sources in Wikipedia. Cheers, Mai-Sachme (talk) 10:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! Agree, let’s keep the German version. Aldazuri (talk) 12:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Sinner is awarded to be Youngest player in history to win the ATP Finals as World No. 1	but Llytton Hewitt is the owner of this accolade. This need to be removed. 2601:140:9000:5AB0:2CC3:A49:BF71:BF0A (talk) 21:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

With a 2024 total prize money of $4,881,500, he received the highest prize money in ATP history.
This is also wrong. Sinner received highest prize money for an individual sanctioned event but for entire year his prize money falls behind Djokovic's 2015 prize money. 2601:140:9000:5AB0:2CC3:A49:BF71:BF0A (talk) 21:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

The 2025 section needs improved grammar. Citations are needed as well.
"Coming into the Australian Open as the reigning winner, Sinner beat Nicolás Jarry, Tristan Schoolkate, Marcos Giron, Holger Rune and Alex de Minaur on the way to the semifinals. In the semifinals, he defeated Ben Shelton in straight sets." AppreciateALittleBreeze (talk) 14:56, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done Swapped out "Coming into" with "Entering" but that's it. The section appears to have references. Please open a new request to specify the issue you see there. —Sirdog (talk) 01:30, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
@Sirdog - You missed adding a source for the match in question but no worries I got it now :) Thanks for your assistance! AppreciateALittleBreeze (talk) 06:22, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

AppreciateALittleBreeze, not a problem! For future reference if you'd like to ping users you can use the {{User link}} template and do {{u|username-here}}. Cheers! —Sirdog (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

2001:EE0:4C9E:3520:B0B7:DB48:C5D3:8DB2 (talk) 11:38, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Jannik Sinner is the first player to claim 10 consecutive straight-sets wins over ATP top-10 opponents since they were firstly published in 1973. 
Jannik Sinner has equalled Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors for the most wins in their first 50 matches as World No. 1 in the ATP Rankings (47).
Jannik Sinner is the first Italian male or female player to win three Singles Grand Slam titles in tennis history, surpassing Nicola Pietrangeli (two).

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ultraodan (talk) 12:31, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

2001:EE0:4C9E:3520:B0B7:DB48:C5D3:8DB2 (talk) 01:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Jannik Sinner Prize money $39,492,811 9th all-time leader in earnings

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ultraodan (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I request that all links (e.g. doping cases in tennis) that refer to Jannik Sinner's page be removed, as he has been officially cleared of all doping allegations and the following points do not apply to him at all:
-Having been convicted by a sports federation (an international governing body, a national federation or a professional league) for illegal 

use of performance-enhancing and/or banned drugs

-has publicly admitted such use
-has been convicted by a court for the use of illegal performance-enhancing drugs
-has been suspended by a sports federation for failure to comply with the prescribed doping tests
The suspension is due to negligence in connection with his team. Framik8964 (talk) 03:18, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made, and formulate your request in the form "please change X to Y". Note that we wouldn't omit coverage of notable doping investigations just because the eventual outcome vindicated the subject. We'd cover them neutrally and note the outcome. As far as I can tell, that's what the article already does. If you disagree, you'll need to be more specific about what change you want made and provide reliable sources that support it. Jfire (talk) 03:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Here's a source for Wada stating, that Sinner was not convicted for doping: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/articles/cdxexxl936vo Sajoch (talk) 13:12, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
The article does not claim that he was convicted. It says The decision by the tribunal was to determine that Sinner bore "no fault or negligence" and no period of ineligibility would apply, but that he would forfeit prize money and ranking points earned at the Indian Wells tournament held in March. Based on the BBC source, we could update this to say WADA appealed that decision, and the appeal reached a settlement under which the positive test for clostebol was determined to be due to inadvertent contamination and Sinner was suspended for three months. Jfire (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
I wrote Sinner was NOT convicted for doping. That's what WADA's general counsel Ross Wenzel told the BBC: "This was a case that was a million miles away from doping. The scientific feedback that we received was that this could not be a case of intentional doping, including micro-dosing". Similarly the article about Iga Świątek does not mention doping, but simply that there was a positive test. Also Sinner's article should write about the problematic tests without calling it "doping" - as there was no doping. Sajoch (talk) 22:39, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
Again  Not done but I changed the article language to more appropriately fit the situation. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:17, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
By "the article" I was referring to the Wikipedia article, not to the BBC. Apologies if that was unclear. The Wikipedia article does not state that Sinner was convicted of anything, so it is unclear to me what concrete change you want made.
Regarding Sinner's article should write about the problematic tests without calling it "doping" - as there was no doping. The (Wikipedia) article should reflect what reliable sources say. The New York Times article, for example, says Jannik Sinner, the men’s tennis world No 1, has received an anti-doping sanction after twice testing positive for a banned substance. A BBC article refers to "the doping case". I don't see any reason the (Wikipedia) article needs to avoid using the word "doping" completely. Jfire (talk) 23:19, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
Sinner was found positive in a test on Clostebol - a forbidden substance. While Clostebol could be used for doping, this was not the case. Two courts and WADA itself have made it clear that Sinner's case has nothing to do with doping. The misinterpretations should not find their way into Wikipedia. Now that we know better, a correction is due, else people reading this article may continue to falsely associate Sinner with doping. Sajoch (talk) 20:15, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
How the word "doping" is used in the article right now is perfect and easily sourced. It is clear what happened and what the ruling was. There is really no way to further soften the landing except to go against sources, and that Wikipedia cannot do. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:23, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
On Iga_Świątek's page there's also no mention of doping. We should treat Sinner the same. Sajoch (talk) 21:29, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
And it doesn't say that here either. Now his had an appeal by the World Anti-Doping Agency, that cannot be removed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:47, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
I think the following quote from the final WADA statement should appear in the article:
"WADA accepts that Mr. Sinner did not intend to cheat, and that his exposure to clostebol did not provide any performance-enhancing benefit and took place without his knowledge as the result of negligence of members of his entourage." 93.46.106.190 (talk) 09:18, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Good evening, it has been created q:en:Jannik Sinner. May someone likn this WQ article in the WP article? Thanks in advance for any eventual help. 79.31.124.1 (talk) 21:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

14.186.9.40 (talk) 14:59, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Jannik Sinner has become the first player in the Open Era to win his first 18 Men’s Singles matches against opponents at their home Grand Slam event

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. meamemg (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Don't know if the person who changed the main photo to this one is its owner, but the previous one, from the US Open I believe, is far better. I argue that it should be reversed. 2804:958:49F0:2200:3CE4:A859:54AA:C1D1 (talk) 03:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Singles titles: add percentage 77.4%
(This is included with Federer, Nadal and Djokovic) 178.115.57.77 (talk) 19:43, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Actually, they really shouldn't have the pretty useless stat that anyone can figure out by the record. Almost no tennis players have the stat where a few handful of editing supporters keep adding it. It's tough to stay on top of. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

The table on the right has:
Highest ranking	No. 1 (10 June 2024)
Current ranking	No. 1 (10 June 2024)
but this should be 2025 not 2024 I believe 2A02:2F05:841C:1000:F95E:A744:7197:8AA7 (talk) 14:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: While he is currently ranked number one, the dates in the infobox indicate when he achieved that rank, which occurred following the 2024 French Open. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:17, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

...to also become the first Italian to win a wimbledon title. 156.0.248.2 (talk) 19:38, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Dahawk04 Talk 💬 22:44, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

and resident in Monaco 78.211.78.64 (talk) 12:22, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

 Already done Mentioned in infobox and article text. LizardJr8 (talk) 14:53, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Mb2437: I have no opinion on the terms "disqualification" or "suspension," but "doping disqualification" in the article's lead is at best misleading and at worst slanderous. The same court ruled that it wasn't doping, but rather an act of negligence regarding the staff's behavior. Opinion makers, haters, and supporters may have their own opinions on the matter, but in this case, the official ruling should be source. 
"WADA accepts that Mr. Sinner did not intend to cheat, and that his exposure to clostebol did not provide any performance-enhancing benefit and took place without his knowledge as the result of negligence of members of his entourage. However, under the Code and by virtue of CAS precedent, an athlete bears responsibility for the entourage’s negligence." (https://www.wada-ama.org/en/news/wada-agrees-case-resolution-agreement-case-jannik-sinner)
This was a case that was a million miles away from doping. The scientific feedback that we received was that this could not be a case of intentional doping, including micro-dosing. (Wada general counsel Ross Wenzel, https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/articles/cdxexxl936vo) 
Sira Aspera (talk) 19:13, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

He tested above the permitted levels of a banned substance. Intentional or not, blame the entourage all you’d like but until wada revises the minimum amount permitted, sinner is a proven doping cheat and you can believe in fairy tales but I’ll take science 2600:1009:A008:D99:3469:4AEC:C0EB:B601 (talk) 03:07, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
"sinner is a proven doping cheat" sounds like blatant exaggeration, WADA itself admitted this case wasn't intentional cheating, but accidental mishandling, using whatever definition you'd like and you can believe in fairy tales but I'll take science, which says that he isn't a proven cheat, just someone who had a small, accidentally ingested, amount of a banned substance. 135.23.202.10 (talk) 16:38, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

please change Sinner's win-loss record to also include his win loss percentage, it is an interesting stat to include, doesn't take much space, and it is almost standard to do so on so many pages. He is currently at 77.8%. 135.23.202.10 (talk) 16:42, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

That is done for retired players by consensus, not plyers where that stat changes daily. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Update ranking: Add his current ATP singles ranking with the correct date.
Recent titles: Include any recent tournament victories (ATP 500, Masters 1000, Grand Slam) with proper citation.
Grand Slam results: Update his latest performances (e.g., semifinal, final, champion).
Career milestones: Add notable achievements such as reaching a career-high ranking or surpassing a record.
Coaching staff: Update if he recently changed coach, trainer, or added new team members.
Sponsorships: Add or update major sponsorship deals (clothing, racquet, brand endorsements).
Awards: Mention any awards from ATP, ITF, or national sports bodies.
Playing style: Expand or refine the description (with sources from analysts or sports journalists). Ahmdelbadry7 (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. meamemg (talk) 14:03, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

Sinner is also a fan of the italian football club AC Milan according Gazzetta dello Sport
[7] 93.66.66.72 (talk) 21:24, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Change "Noval" (sic) to "Novak" in the 2024 section ~2025-34220-96 (talk) 09:40, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

 Already done Someone else removed that sentence already. Ultraodan (talk) 10:38, 17 November 2025 (UTC)