# Talk:Lara Croft

While I don't want to dismiss the reboot here, given that it redesigns the character a fair bit and a lot of the focus on Croft has been to do with the whole "sex symbol" thing, I think it'd be better to get another lead image. It doesn't help the current one is pretty dark, so personally I have a bit of trouble making out any real details. We already have this image, so I'd be in favour of just moving it to the infobox.
As to the current image, we already have this, so we could probably either cut it or replace the other image. I'm pretty neutral here: I have an easier time at seeing, at low resolution, the design in the concept art, but the render might be truer to her depiction in the reboot series. – The Millionth One  (talk) (contribs) 01:32, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
When was the image made?
That is not the Lara Croft image I remember from the original artwork.  It looks more like the Croft from the 'reboot' 2018 film.
How about having a gallery of official images as her image has changed over the years? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 03:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Why does the page state that Legend was a reboot? I don't think it was ever confirmed as a reboot, and that the only reboot we do have is the 2013 game, Tomb Raider.
Jimbob2014 (talk) 14:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

It is a reboot since they ended up "rebooting" her origin with Tomb Raider Anniversary.Belregard (talk) 04:55, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

I've found an interview regarding Lara Croft's first voice; http://mjsimpson-films.blogspot.ca/2015/03/interview-katherine-shannon.html!  --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 00:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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The article's infobox has Lara Croft's current appearance, but I think it would also be useful for the article to include somewhere a screenshot or promotional render of Lara's original appearance from the first Tomb Raider game.108.46.147.132 (talk) 01:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm a volunteer photographer for Wikipedia/Commons - this past weekend I went looking for the blue plaque mentioned in Lara Croft#Cultural impact so I could take a photo for the article. I visited the site of the former company headquarters at 55 Ashbourne Road in Derby, which is now a block of flats. There's no sign of a blue plaque; I walked around the property looking for one. (Possibly interesting is that a new building next door is now called "Croft House".) I sent an e-mail to the property developers who put up the original blue plaque a few days ago but haven't got a response. Some inquiries among locals got the response that the blue plaque has been "AWOL" since the old building was demolished and the flats were built. Kelly hi! 19:45, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

The lede states that "she is presented as a beautiful, intelligent, and athletic" woman. This is undoubtedly true for Toby Gard's Lara Croft of the 1996-2009 series, who is a beautiful, intelligent and athletic Caucasoid woman. Unfortunately, Rhianna Pratchett's Lara Croft who has taken the place of the previous Lara in the post-2013 rebooted series has neither of those qualities. She is a mediocre-beauty South American/South Italian childish girl (she doesn't have the physical and facial features of a Caucasian woman). So, the statement in the lede needs to be appropritely attributed to the "beautiful, intelligent and athletic" old Lara Croft, especially since the image in the right-side template shows the new South American/South Italian petite new Lara Croft. Otherwise, it should be removed altogether.
The article should clearly describe the established, explicit difference between Toby Gard's Lara Croft and Rhianna Pratchett's "new Lara Croft".

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Best picture with Neneh Cherry would be this one [1]
Could we use it, it was inspiration for multiple renders like:

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TudorTulok (talk) 13:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

That's non-free media (an album cover), we cannot use it here. Lordtobi (✉) 17:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

"Many changes of Lara Croft" was deleted and removed. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Borrowing this section. I noticed that there had been an absence of an infobox image, and decided to be bold and add a new image to it, depicting her pre-reboot design. I feel that we should not be so inclined to rush to use a new image, as being more recent does not necessarily mean that the image is more well-known and/or recognizable than what was there previously. For example, if we had, say, Ocarina of Time Link in the infobox of Link (The Legend of Zelda), we wouldn't replace this depiction with Breath of the Wild Link, because they are notably different. Mario being updated with each game is, in my opinion, unnecessary as there's not many changes, but it doesn't really make a difference as a result. Certain articles update the image in the infobox, but other article do not. For example, Princess Zelda's image is from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, and Samus Aran's is from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. In turn, Mario changing images doesn't, by itself, justify updating the image with each game release. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 13:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@SNAAAAKE!! and New Age Retro Hippie: I think the 2013 image should be used for the following reasons:
Lara's classic appearance is already present in the article (the Computerspielemuseum image). Thus, yet another image of her original design violates WP:NFCC #1.
You haven't proven that her "classic" appearance is more well-known or recognizable than the 2013 one - since the 2013 image was in the article before, that burden lies with you.
The 2013 version clearly depicts the character in a more detailed fashion than the '96 version, so, all things equal, it should be included in the infobox by virtue of quality. In your Zelda and Mario examples, the characters' appearance have remain generally unchanged and their earlier artworks are not inferior in terms of artistry or quality. This is not the case with Lara here.
Her 2013 appearance is more representative generally of the character as a whole. For example, Lara's appearances in the films are much more similar to her '13 appearance than her '96 one. While I will freely admit that this argument is a bit WP:SYNTH-ish, I am appealing for a bit of common sense here.
Thanks, Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 13:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Zelda changes pretty frequently, actually. Off the top of my head, the only canon Zelda design that have been the same across multiple games have been The Wind Waker's design. But that is moot. Indeed, the infobox hasn't used an image for months, so I don't reckon that there's a burden to demonstrate that classic Lara is the most prominent. I'm also not convinced by the argument of low quality; the 1996 Lara Croft is not herself "low quality" but low poly. As far as the film argument goes, I could see that for the more recent one, but the first Tomb Raider films were definitely more similar to classic Lara. [5] Perhaps we should seek consensus by mentioning the discussion on WT:VG. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 14:02, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree with raising awareness at WT:VG. It's getting real late where I live so I will respond to your other concerns tomorrow. Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 14:10, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Also I reverted because previously, the infobox had been empty. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 14:27, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I would argue that low quality = low poly though. It ultimately makes defining features of the character harder to see, especially when we could be doing better with the 2013 image - or at least official character artwork, and not an in-game character. Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 11:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Not trying to add trouble but how is the image from the German museum of OC Lara "Free"? The photo is clearly of the copyrighted appearance of Lara, which makes it a derivative work of (Presumably) Squeenix at this point. --Masem (t) 14:09, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Note that I have looked at FOP issues for Germany, and while they are more lax for outside artwork, internal artwork is still subject to normal copyright. This appears "inside" the museum, so it is more and more looking non-free. --Masem (t) 14:17, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't realize that. In that case, I think that the image should be removed in that case. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 14:27, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I'll tag it for deletion at commons, just to make sure I'm reading things right. If it is a valid free image, great, but I doubt it. --Masem (t) 14:28, 29 April 2019 (UTC)


### Compromise
@New Age Retro Hippie: Look, I've been thinking about this for a bit, and it is true that her classic appearance is quite well-known (though I would still say that whether it's more well-known compared to her 2013 reincarnation is debatable). However, I think I've found a good compromise on this - what do you think of this image: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/58/99/bf58991bc14b14bdb848d148d3e104c9.jpg? If my memory serves me right, this was the original lead image waaaaay back, before the 2013 image was put in in 2013. It is:

of classic Lara,
but is of high quality,
and solves the low-poly issue - it is official promotional character artwork, instead of just her in-game character model.
Thoughts? Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 11:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

I like it. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 11:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Awesome - I've went ahead and made the change. Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 11:28, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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When one brings their mouse cursor over a link to this page, the little drop down box appears, however the currently chose infobox image is centered around her waist, giving the unfortunate image of simply a lower body and exposed legs. I really don't think it looks very good. I understand theres been some difficulty over this image before, but i would like to see a different image. DParkinson1 (talk) 18:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

the article currently has one line saying who is going to voice her in an upcoming Netflix anime, while not even mentioning the existence of said anime. It simply ends with the MGM rights expiring. --jonas (talk) 18:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)