# Talk:Kaʻiulani

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@Amakuru: Hello, this is one issue I have with the summary: "The Provisional Government of Hawaii rejected pleas from both her father Archibald Scott Cleghorn, and provisional president Sanford B. Dole, to seat Kaʻiulani on the throne, conditional upon the abdication of Liliʻuokalani." Can we change the emotionally charged wording of "pleas" to more a neutral wording of "suggestions"? It should also be the Committee of Safety because these conversations happen prior to the establishment of the PG. KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I think changing the wording to be more neutral in this case may change the sense of urgency and true emotion of what was actually occurring. I believe the wording to be historically accurate. But what does the source itself impart? Is there that sense of urgency in how the content is written in the original source? If not then perhaps the content should be reviewed. Mark Miller (talk) 04:30, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I think "proposal" is fine. I don't doubt Cleghorn's emotional investment, but using "pleas" would imply Dole had an emotional stake in the matter which from his memoir doesn't seem so. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

in one of the sentences it says  ka'iulani's niece (through her sister rose). ka'iulani had no siblings. 808Poiboy (talk) 02:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

She had three older paternal half-sister and also a younger half-brother who was born after her death. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
ooooh.. I didn't know that. my apologies 808Poiboy (talk) 17:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

'Kaʻiulani died of inflammatory rheumatism'
I don't think that's possible, and Google agrees. You can die of certain specific complications that may arise in connection with the rheumatism, but you don't die of rheumatism per se. Does the cited source really say this? 62.73.72.101 (talk) 16:38, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

'Native Hawaiian protocol dictated that the body of an aliʻi (royal) could only be moved after midnight following death and had to be interred on the sabbath.'
Sabbath is a concept of the Abrahamic religions. The Native Hawaiian religious and political tradition was 'pagan' and had formed independently, without contact with the Abrahamic religions. It's true that the kingdom had been Christianised about 50 years previously, but it still seems surprising that they would have devised new rituals pertaining to royalty that referred to Abrahamic concepts. Citation needed. 62.73.72.101 (talk) 16:54, 16 October 2025 (UTC)