# Talk:Henry Wilson

i just wanted to say that i have recently started reasearching henry wilson other wise known as jerimiah colbath because he is my great great great uncle.my name is amber haines and he is from my dads side my grandmothers name was colbath intill she married my grandfather whos name is lester haines.

wanted to contact anyone of relation to henry wilson(jeremiah jones colbath) He is my fathers great great uncle.My fathers great grandmother was kate curtis colbath, who was henry's cousin. We have many letters from family and a genealogy book and coat of arms made by Daniel Webster Colbath(1876)Ther seems to be a lot of misinformation about him and his life. Anyone interested can contact me at ironwrkrb@aol.com
I added the reason as to why he changed his name. THat's pretty much iot, though right now I'm going to research it more because im his 5 times great nephew so I know why he changed his nephew (my mothers grandmother's maiden name was Colbath).-Chile 19:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
He changed it because the story goes his father named him after a rich neighbor hoping to attach themselves( they had many children) The story can only be proven by written papers.) he was indentured to another neighbor because they couldn't afford to take care of him. This is where his love of books comes from. when of age he changed his name to make a new start in life. he hated the name but had no ill will towards his parents for the name and he never ran from it.Brian Whittemore ironwrkrb@aol.com
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CSPAN this date in a special on the history of the Capitol mentioned his death by stroke in the old Capitol baths in 1875 while serving as Vice President.  I had never heard of him and looked him up on Wikipedia and it is clear that he is one of the greater men to hold that office.- Tom Cod
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Why is there a conflict in the dates of his death?  Wat Tyler
He had a stroke and went down to the senate baths where he was found uncouncious, spent a day or so dying in his chamber, nov. 22 1875, the best friend a freeman could have! Brian Whittemore

Then-Senator Wilson was also involved, implicated, and investigated in connection with the Crédit Mobilier scandal of 1872, which please see, prior to his being elected Vice President in 1880.☺ Dick Kimball (talk) 15:31, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

@Dick Kimball: The section on Wilson the Crédit Mobilier has been added. Thanks.  Fixed Cmguy777 (talk) 23:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I think the Crédit Mobilier section is looking good for now. I suppose there is no way to substantiate Wilson's claims concerning his wife...The whole issue sounded complicated...There apparently is no date when Wilson gave Ames the 2,000...Right now I can't think of anything to improve the section. Cmguy777 (talk) 23:06, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I suggest making all the references consistant to the sfnRef format. That way large references in the article can be referenced in the sources section...Here is a sample sfnRef reference: Cmguy777 (talk) 23:40, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Haynes, George H. (1936). Dumas Malone (ed.). Dictionary of American Biography Henry Wilson. New York: Charles Scribner's Sons. pp. 322–325.
@Billmckern: Thanks for adding the sfn references. Cmguy777 (talk) 00:57, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
@Cmguy777: I'll try to revise more of them when I'm able.  Billmckern (talk) 01:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks Billmckern. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Is the War of 1812 worth mentioning in the article? New Hampshire mustered 5,955 troops to fight the in the war and the British blockaded New England in 1814. I don't think Wilson's father fought in the war.  Cmguy777 (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I found an adjutant general of New Hampshire annual report which indicates that Henry Wilson's father, Winthrop Colbath, Jr., was a militia veteran of the War of 1812.  There isn't much of a connection between that conflict and Henry Wilson, but maybe his father's military service is worth pointing out?
Billmckern (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I think that is signifigant...mentioning his father's service would be good...in addition to mentioning the 5,955 troops. I believe New Hamshire was devided over the war. Did Wilson live in a loyalist section or a section that wanted to succeed from the United States ? Cmguy777 (talk) 21:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
This source says the New Hampshire was divided between the Federalists and Republicans. The War of 1812 in Person: Fifteen Accounts by United States Army Regulars Cmguy777 (talk) 00:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
It looks as if the most opposition to the war took place in Merrimack Valley. Farmington is outside this valley. I am not sure their was any actual sucession movement in New Hampshire. Cmguy777 (talk) 00:36, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


### Suggested edit
"Winthrop served in the New Hampshire militia during the War of 1812, however, New Hampshire was not attacked by the British." Cmguy777 (talk) 23:49, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
What is the source that WIlson's father Winthrop was in the New Hampshire militia ? Cmguy777 (talk) 23:49, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I included a reference.  According to the annual report of the New Hampshire adjutant general which I cited, Winthrop Colbath, Jr. (Wilson's father), served as a private in the New Hampshire militia during the War of 1812.
I'm sure it's Wilson's father who is listed in the annual report.  The report names Winthrop Colbath, Jr. as a private in a militia company.  Winthrop Colbath (1751-1831) was the father of Winthrop Colbath, Jr. and the grandfather of Henry Wilson.  Winthrop Colbath, Jr. (1787-1860) was the father of Henry Wilson.
I guess I don't really see the relevance of including details about the War of 1812 in Henry Wilson's bio.  That his father served in the militia is relevant, I suppose.  But why does the War of 1812 matter in a bio of Wilson, who was born in 1812 and took no part in the conflict?
Billmckern (talk) 00:51, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
New Hampshire was not invaded by the British during the War of 1812, but the governor did order the militia to join the Henry Dearborn expedition that attacked Canada.  In addition, the militia was employed in New Hampshire in an effort to prevent smuggling between the U.S. and Canada.  (Places like northern New York, New Hampshire and Vermont, which were closer to Canada than to major U.S. population centers, had residents who saw no issue with continuing to trade with Canada, in effect helping supply the British army.) Civil-military Relations During the War of 1812, by Reginald C. Stuart.  The Encyclopedia of the War of 1812: A Political, Social, and Military History by Spencer C. Tucker.
Billmckern (talk) 13:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I believe New Hampshire was blockaded in 1814 by the British. New Hampshire was concerned the British would invade Portsmoth. The relevence to the reader is to know that Wilson's family was not directly attacked by the British at Farmington. I am willing to compromise. I believe just mentioning the War of 1812 is relevant. Cmguy777 (talk) 22:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Alternative sentence: "Winthrop served in the New Hampshire militia during the War of 1812." Cmguy777 (talk) 22:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I still don't get it.  Why is it relevant that something did not happen to the Colbath family?  Something that also did not happen to anyone else in New Hampshire for that matter.  You could just as easily write that the Colbaths never met the king of England.  Maybe I'm failing to comprehend what you're trying to explain, but I still don't see the relevance.
I think the most recent suggested edit works -- saying that Winthrop Colbath served in the militia during the War of 1812 is a relevant detail that helps explain his background, and may help explain why Henry Wilson became interested in the militia at a time when very few people were.
Billmckern (talk) 23:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I believe the War of 1812 was a major war for the United States. Wilson was born in a time when the British still had geographical influence over America. I think mentioning that Wilson's father serving in the militia is signifigant and a link to the War of 1812 would suffice. I am not sure that the average reader is aware where the British attacked Americans or that New England was blockaded.  Maybe this is all hyperbole...Wilson was alive in three major American wars War of 1812, Mexican American War, and the American Civil War.  Cmguy777 (talk) 23:05, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Wilson does talk about the War of 1812 in his book History of the Rise and Fall of the Slave Power in America Volume 1 Pages 118-122. Cmguy777 (talk) 00:17, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

What about a synopsis of each of Wilson's three volumes in the new section that lists them?  Details on Volume 1 could briefly explain how Wilson traced the history of the Slave Power from the country's founding through the Louisiana Purchase and War of 1812, etc.
Billmckern (talk) 01:45, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
I added links to his books in the article. A synopsis is in order for each book. I would add that his father Winthrop served in the War of 1812. Cmguy777 (talk) 02:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Billmckern What source was used to verify Winthrop, Wilson's father, was in the War of 1812 ? Thanks Cmguy777 (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
@Cmguy777: -- Report of the Adjutant-General of the State of New Hampshire.  1868.  Page 203.  Winthrop Colbath, Jr. was a private in the company commanded by William Courson.  He served in September, 1814.
I'm sure it's Wilson's father who is listed in the annual report.  Winthrop Colbath (1751-1831) was the father of Winthrop Colbath, Jr. and the grandfather of Henry Wilson.  Winthrop Colbath, Jr. (1787-1860) was the father of Henry Wilson.  This genealogy is traced in the first pages of Cobbler in Congress.
Billmckern (talk) 23:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Billmckern. That will work for the source. Interesting geneology. This can be used to source that Winthrop Jr. Served in the War of 1812. Cmguy777 (talk) 01:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 Done Thanks Billmckern. The edit looks good.  21:55, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Why has a colorized photo been added to the top of the page? YeetusDeletusYT (talk) 21:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)