# Talk:Death of Patrick Cronin

The Court Document, Whitefriars Newsletter, and Funeral Notice all provide different date of Cronin's death. I have decided it stick with the Court Document's date. If anyone else has a better idea of actual date feel free to implement it (with the appropriate citation of course). - GA Melbourne (talk) 02:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

FYI - I have now changed the date to the 18th of April 2016 after reading a Herald sun article which states that there was an incorrect statement issued by Victoria police that lead to the confusion (see here). ––– GMH MELBOURNE TALK 08:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Death of Patrick Cronin/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 13:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

 
I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 13:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
I'll start with a source review and spotchecks.  Footnote numbers refer to this version.

What is FN 3 sourcing?  If it's Patrick Cronin's birthday, I think that's OK as per WP:ABOUTSELF, but in that case shouldn't it be attached to the date?  And why are the other sources down at the bottom of the infobox?
FN 13 cites "Police arrived at the hotel soon after with the brawl ceasing and patrons dispersing. Cronin explained to friends how he had been punched on the right of his head and could be seen rubbing the area on CCTV."  Verified, but the source has "At around this time, the police arrived and the fighting ceased with the patrons then beginning to disperse" which is too closely paraphrased.
FN 16 cites 'MICA paramedics stabilised Cronin's condition for the journey to the hospital which in order to do so required medical intervention to assist Cronin in breathing. Upon his arrival to the Royal Melbourne Hospital, doctors determined that Cronin "suffered a significant haemorrhage on the right side of his brain" and that the "injury was not survivable".'  The source has "The MICA paramedics who staffed the ambulance determined that Patrick Cronin had suffered a traumatic brain injury.  His condition was stabilised for the journey to the Royal Melbourne Hospital, including providing the medical intervention by then required for him to be able to breathe."  This is too closely paraphrased.
FN 24 cites "In sentencing Lee, Justice Lex Lasry concluded that while the gravity of Lee's actions were significant, his plea of guilty which avoided a trial and the associated trauma to the Cronin family, his remorse for his actions, previous good character, and good prospects for rehabilitation all had contributed as factors that mitigated the sentence that was to be imposed."  The source has "The nature and gravity of your offending was significant", "your plea of guilty has avoided the need for a trial and the trauma connected with it, particularly for the members of the Cronin family".  This is too closely paraphrased.
FN 26 cites "Samuel Judd was charged in relation to the matter and was offered a diversion."  I can't access this as it's paywalled.
FN 20 cites "It is believed that up to thirty people were involved in the brawl that ultimately took Cronin's life; several people were charged for their involvement in the brawl."  The source has "Police said that they believed up to 30 people could have been involved" and "police charged seven men over their involvement in the brawl".  This is too closely paraphrased.
I'm going to fail this because of the spotcheck; I recommend going through and checking each cited sentence for close paraphrasing before renominating.  One other comment from a read-through is that there are lots of very short paragraphs, which makes for a choppy reading experience.  The "Andrew William Lee" section, for example, is rather WP:PROSELINE, and I think some copyediting is needed there.  Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 16:49, 22 April 2023 (UTC)