# Talk:Jane Fonda

In the "Visit to Hanoi" section, the final sentences of the third paragraph:
"Her visits to the POW camp led to persistent and exaggerated rumors which were repeated widely, and continued to circulate on the Internet decades later. Fonda, as well as the named POWs, have denied the rumors, and subsequent interviews with the POWs showed these allegations to be false—the persons named had never met Fonda."
Wouldn't it be helpful to state what the rumors and allegations were? 2600:1700:B280:B1C0:315A:47E7:51DA:B2D2 (talk) 10:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

We have the worst of both worlds here, we have hand-wavy statements about something, but Wikipedia also doesn't repeat gossip or libelous allegations against living people. Acroterion (talk) 13:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Since it is well-sourced, including, but not solely, by Fonda herself, I've added a brief summary of the alleged coercion by the North Vietnamese of prisoners to meet Fonda - which never happened. Fonda also was falsely accused of passing notes that prisoners had written to the Vietnamese, which also did not happen, but that's harder to integrate and is farther into the realm of rumor and libel (and has been extensively debunked). Acroterion (talk) 13:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

What evidence is there that Fonda was "blacklisted" after 1972? There is no sourcing for this. She worked throughout the '70s. 2600:1005:B007:DF3C:D46C:C246:655D:2AE (talk) 18:25, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

That sentence in the lead was a misleading oversimplification of the sourced content in the body; I've removed the sentence. Schazjmd (talk) 18:29, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
Good removal. She said once that she was "greylisted" but the duration of that must have been very short. In her autobiography, she says she was more successful after Hanoi than before. Binksternet (talk) 21:29, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
Fonda was indeed blacklisted (or "graylisted") for most of the 1970s. This fact is not obvious, seeing as how she began, and ended, the decade as the world's top actress. But between Klute in 1971 and Fun with Dick and Jane in 1977, she did not star in any widely distributed movies for six years. Tout va bien (1972) was a French-language film that played in arthouses; Steelyard Blues (1973) had only a limited theatrical release; A Doll's House (1973) went straight to television; and her role in The Blue Bird (1976) was just a cameo.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:A53D:1DED:CDC4:3EC7:FF48:A032 (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
The source points out that she had a baby during this time, and (in her own words) "with the antiwar movement, I was working 18 hours a day. There wasn't much time for films."  The "greylisted" quote is in the body, that's sufficient for a claim that she's the only one making. Schazjmd (talk) 14:31, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Quaerens-veritatem, Fonda finding religion is not a contradiction. She was raised atheist and turned to Christianity later in life. At the end of her marriage to Turner, she states. So in her early 60s probably? Like a troubled marriage (marriages can be troubled, not a contradiction), the incorporation of a company (companies can be incorporated later, not a contradiction), or moving from one country to another (people migrate, not a contradiction), it is something that happened to her and does not a contradict an earlier part of her life. It would be different if it read 'Fonda was an atheist activist until her marriage with Turner, but...' or 'despite her criticism toward organised religion, she...'. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello Soetermans. The question is the use of "but" in the sentence which, according to Oxford, is "used to introduce a phrase or clause contrasting with what has already been mentioned" or according to Merriam–Webster, "except for the fact". "But" is correct in that atheism (belief there is no god) is the opposite of Christianity (belief in God). There is a complete contrast. I agree that incorporating is changing business form, not opposite or contradictory, just different; marriage stays marriage even if troubled; migration is not contradictory. Atheism not only is contrasting to Christianity, as Oxford relates, but atheism is a direct exception to Christianity, per Marriam–Webster. "But" is correctly used as another editor has placed it. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 05:01, 1 July 2025 (UTC)