# Talk:Grahame Farr

In researching this article, I was unable to find out how Grahame Farr earned his living or who (if anyone) employed him.  I think its unlikely he had private means, given his background. Topo122 (talk) 16:45, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

I found the answer to to how Farr earned his living in his obituary in The Mariner's Mirror: he worked for a printing firm in Bristol.  The obituary has allowed me to add a few details to the article.Topo122 (talk) 18:37, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
(I've rearranged the content of this section, and given it a title, as I now better understand how Talk pages are supposed to work! - Topo122 (talk) 18:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC))

Grahame Farr wrote many authoritative works on the history of ships and shipping.  Perhaps the best evidence of Farr's notability is the very large number of times his works are reference in Wikipedia articles - too many times for me to count.
(I think a 'Statement of Notability', setting our why the subject of an article is notable, would be a useful section to add to all Talk pages). Topo122 (talk) 11:16, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Grahame Farr/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: CaroleHenson (talk · contribs) 22:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Topo122, I see that this article hasn't been reviewed yet during the GAN Backlog Drive April–May 2020. My style is to comment on each of the sections, then access the GA criteria, and add any additional comments relative to the GA criteria. If you have any questions as I go along, please let me know.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to mention, I generally made minor edits, like punctuation, links, etc. as it saves time in the long-run. Feel free to modify any edit I make if you disagree.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


### Introduction and infobox
The introduction is a good summary of the article content. It is short, though, for a GA article. If information could be added about his military career or his legacy, that would be great!
There is no citation in the body of the article or the infobox for his wife Elsie.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Taken care of, added a Personal life section and their marriage is cited in that section. This section is  Done. If I find additional info about his military career, legacy, etc. I will add it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


### Early life
I fixed the single to quotation marks per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Quotations , fixed a cite order, and changed ALL CAPS in one citation here.
(presumably as a day-boy, as his family lived in Clifton) is a form of original thought. Perhaps you could add hometown to the sentence, like "Farr was educated in his hometown at Clifton College."[4][5]–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


### Marriage and children
It would be nice to have a Marriage and children or Personal life section. This article may help start that off. And perhaps including a sentence or two about how the Elsie and Michael fared during the war.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I added a section, and this section is  Done. I am not finding more info about the family, though.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


### Career
His (service number 158967) is extraneous detail and I cannot think of a reason to have it in  an encyclopedia article - but can think of reasons not to have it. If you want to keep it, it could be made a note.
Made minor edits of quotation marks for a quote, straight rather than curly apostrophes, and cite order here.
There are several short paragraphs of like content that could be combined:
Third paragraph and the first sentence of the fourth paragraph for membership.
Rest of the fourth paragraph (first journal article), fifth paragraph (first book), and other books.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


### Works by Grahame Farr
"by Grahame Farr" is not needed. The entire article is about Farr. Per MOS:HEADINGS, headings should "Not redundantly refer back to the subject of the article, e.g. Early life, not Smith's early life or His early life."–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


### Wreck and rescue series, published by D. Bradford Barton, Truro
This and the next headings should not contain publisher information. The nature of the works are enough to distinguish the works. Titles should be brief and clear, like "Wreck and rescue series"
This is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Do you have ISBNs for the books?–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Added ISBNs, or if not available OCLCs. This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


### Papers on life-boat history (self-published)
Same points about removing publisher, (self-published), in this instance from the title... and ISBNs.
Is there a reason that there are numbers for the books here?–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Added ISBNs, or if not available OCLCs. This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


### Aids to life-boat history (self-published)
Same points about removing publisher, (self-published), in this instance from the title... and ISBNs.
Is there a reason that there are numbers for the books here?–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Added ISBNs, or if not available OCLCs. This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


### Maritime monographs and reports, published by the National Maritime Museum
Same points about removing publisher from the title... and ISBNs.
Is there a reason that there are numbers for the books here?–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Added ISBNs, or if not available OCLCs. This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


### Other books
I made minor edits here. There should not be external links in the body of the article, per #2 of WP:ELPOINTS.
Do you have ISBNs for these books?–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Rather than list each edition of the same book, it would be better to have one row and address the editions like this: "(Dulverton, 1970, second edition 1974)"–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Added ISBNs, or if not available OCLCs. This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


### Archives
It's a bit of excess detail to list what is on the index cards. The two parentheticals in this sentence are really not needed.
(Dulverton, 1970, second edition 1974) is not needed either, partly because it's in the list of Other books with the publisher and dates.
I added links to this section here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
This section is  Done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


### GA criteria
#### Comments
The article is well-written, there are a few minor edit requests above.
 Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
The headings need some editing, per comments above.
 Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
It would be good to have a bit more information about Farr, such as his military career, his family, legacy as a shipping historian, etc. to round out the article.
I added some information about his family and his legacy.  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Does his obituary show where he died? This affects the infobox and the Career section.
I am not finding this. This is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I made this edit to avoid a copyvio issue. Otherwise, there are no copyvio issues.
There are no images, so I marked both criteria "Y" as complying. It would be nice to have some images, if possible.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
I have seen that you haven't been on in several weeks and so I made some of the changes, Topo122, to get things rolling. This is a sum of changes I made to the article. These are mostly formatting issues (links, quotation marks, edits to citations where words were all caps, word order to prevent a copyvio issue, trimmed heading titles). There were just a couple of wording changes.
I will check back later to see if you have any thoughts about those changes and the remaining open items. Not much needs to be done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
There wasn't much that needed to be done, and most of it was formatting... so I just went ahead and completed this edits for the review. Once the nominee returns to WP, please feel free to comment here regarding the changes. I will continue to watch the page.
In the meantime, I am going to go ahead and pass the article, as all the issues have been addressed.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)