# Talk:Eilish Cleary

Someone recently removed the coatrack tag with an edit summary of "A large portion of Cleary's notability stems from the controversy surrounding her termination. AFAIK this is evidenced by her termination/the controversy being mentioned in post-termination articles about her and her obituaries," which would seem to precisely justify the coatrack tag.
I've restored it. Qwirkle (talk) 16:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The article mentions Irving and glyphosate at the beginning-mid portions of the "termination" section. Glyphosate is relevant to mention while recounting her termination due to it being what she had been studying at the time of her dismissal. The sources found it relevant enough to discuss it in their articles (see Jacques Poitras' CBC article) due to the significance of spraying glyphosate in New Brunswick's forestry/economy scene and the fact that she had been studying it at the time. B3251(talk) 19:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
As a New Brunswicker, I can't understand how anyone would consider details about her very public and very controversial termination to be a deviation from the subject matter of the article. If you were to poll those who know her name, most would only recall this one story. Applying WP:COATRACK to detailing it is absurd. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 23:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

If that is the case, then you have proven the case for a coatrack tag completely. Perhaps it might make a case of a "Removal of..." article, but that's another story. Qwirkle (talk) 00:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
That is an utterly illogical response. There is no such article, there is not enough non-Cleary material to justify such an article, and any attempt to create a separate article would be met in short order with a proposal to merge with the article about her. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 00:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Not at all. This article is about Cleary's firing, with a little light dusting of bio.  How does it fit in with the other articles about people in her position? (Uniquely, I'd expect.) Other provincial Medical Officers?
Rather close to unique, too, no? Qwirkle (talk) 02:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Eilish was a major health official in a provincial government. An article about her still could have been created if she hadn't been terminated, albeit quite a bit shorter (in similar fashion to her successor, Jennifer Russell). It just happens to be that her termination in New Brunswick and the controversy surrounding it was incredibly significant in her career. Your argument would have more leverage if it were the only defining moment in her career, but that is not the case as there is still quite a good chunk of biographical content unrelated to her termination. B3251(talk) 02:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
If someone wished to write an article about her of about this size, it would be entirely possible to do so with two sentences about her dismissal, and a great deal more about other aspects of her career. (It might also be possible in time, with actual secondary sources, to expand authoritatively on this section, too, but right now we have no such sources.) Qwirkle (talk) 16:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Two sentences about her dismissal are obviously not enough given the significance it had to her career. Her termination and the circumstances surrounding it was a massive controversy within the province at the time and definitely can't be summarized into two sentences. B3251(talk) 20:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Well, you haven't made the case with me, but nonetheless I am removing this from my watchlist.  Do as you will. Qwirkle (talk) 03:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)