# Talk:Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace

This is an article designed to inform encyclopedic information about the album. The fact that the album was leaked to the internet is a no brainer, but to note this sort of information where no public response is made by the band, producers or other notable sources is considered original research and based on the nature of information, original research about that sort of thing is potentially libelous, which is one of the few actual rules of wikipedia, otherwise  wp is predominatly driven by guidelines, not rules. The article is subject to the wikiproject WP:ALBUM, which clearly states that leaked album information is unacceptable except in extreme circumstances (such as with Linkin Park's new album or RHCP's new one, because both bands publicly responded, which the Foos haven't, nor anybody on their management side). --lincalinca 02:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

lincalinca 03:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 05:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Foos-ESPG.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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Why is it that one day it says that "Cheer Up Boys" will be the next single and there is even an article for it and the next day there is no mention of it being a single at all and the article is deleted, even though the fact it has a cover means that it will be released as a single soon if it hasn't been already? Sherlock32 (talk) 22:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Every indication is that the single has been cancelled.  All of the major retailers (Amazon.co.uk, etc) have taken it down.  Normally, I would say, "We need a source for this," but we were using exactly the same sites to claim that it was being released in the first place.
The existence of a cover doesn't mean that a single is definitely being released, and is also not enough to justify the existence of an article.  (If the single was never released, we lose fair use justification for posting the artwork anyway.)  If you read the last version of the single's article before it was merged to this one, all it said was that it was apparently scheduled for release and then apparently cancelled.  There wasn't anything about the song itself.  Bad sources and no content equals no reason for a separate article. -- ChrisB (talk) 00:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the clearing this up for me. Sherlock32 (talk) 01:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the article for this song keeps getting reverted. I think it deserves its own articel. I will list the points to my arguement:

It has unique artwork
It was or possibly will be a single
It was deleted, making it interesting
The song itself deserves some looking into
I think we need to keep the article up, even if it was deleted, it was still a single. We have articles for plenty of deleted singles, why not this one!--Gen. Quon (talk) 02:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

That bit about this album beginning a commercial downfall for the band seems to be a POV issue.  How does Billboard even work now that so many people download music from say, iTunes?  In light of that, is it fair to say this album is undersuccessful at all?  CSZero (talk) 03:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Turns out that RIAA sales certifcation and Billboard's charts are not related at all.  So, my point stands.  The dinosaur that is RIAA seems to be missing that more and more music sales are going digital, making their system useless for comparing album sales going back a decade... CSZero (talk) 03:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Could somebody please make it clearer what this section is on about? Zazaban (talk) 09:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Why has this section been added to this page and most of the other Foo Fighters albums pages? BSides have nothing to do with the album itself, they are on the singles released from the album, not the actual album. If nobody objects i will remove that section and instead just list the bonus tracks found on some versions of the album itself. Skilmore (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Burningclean (talk · contribs) 23:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

In the second paragraph of the lead, you should probably say critical reception was MOSTLY positive. By just say it was positive, it feels a tad bit misleading.
The first sentence of the Background and recording ("As the tour for the album In Your Honor had both acoustic and electric shows...") this sentence sounds funny to me somehow. Maybe reword it somehow. Something like "Foo Fighter's tour for In Your Honor had both..." Not too big of a deal, but it just sounds kinda funny to me.
Recording begun on March 2007 at the band's own Studio 606 in Northridge, California.[11] During a ten day break in April, Grohl thought that the recorded needed another uptempo song, so he spent his time developing an unfinished song that became "The Pretender".[12] The sessions wrapped in mid-June.[13] It was the first Foo Fighters album where the band did not felt the need to rerecord any songs.[4] Grohl stated that while In Your Honor was a double album because he felt "schizophrenic" to alternate between loud and acoustic songs, Norton helped on creating a sequencing that lead to "an album that makes sense".[6]
I would re-read this paragraph. There are a number of small errors to be fixed.
In the Composition section: "The songs of the album are noted for its changing dynamics -" That sentence sounds funny. By saying "The songs of the album" you're indicating plural, but by saying "its changing dynamics" you're idicating singular. It should probably be "their changing dynamics".
You mention the start of the promotional tour, but never stated how long it lasted.
"PopMatters' Josh Timmermann was much critical of the overtly serious tone of the record" Saying "much critical" sounds pretty weird, it should probably be "very critical".
"Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace won the 2008 Grammy for Best Rock Album and "The Pretender" won for Best Hard Rock Performance." Probably say ""The Pretender" won the award for Best Hard Rock Performance."
Overall this is a fantastic and informing article. I love the wealth of information. I'd love to see this become an FA. On a side note, "The Pretender" is my favorite Foo Fighter song. Burningclean [speak] 23:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Done them all, though you can tell if what I did for the third bullet point still needs work. (nice to see a fellow fan; don't know if I'll bring to FA any sooner, but the FF albums FT is certainly on the way, if this passes 4/7 will be GAs) igordebraga ≠ 18:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Excellent work. After reviewing this I went through all there albums and I really enjoyed it. Passing as a GA. If you felt like reviewing anything, I have nominated Alive or Just Breathing Burningclean [speak] 20:08, 17 May 2012 (UTC)