# Talk:Miraitowa and Someity

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

Tokyo 2020 Olympics logo.svg
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 14:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I like the mascots. However, it would be illuminating to understand the Japanese logic for printing the 2020 Olympics logo onto the mascots. From a design point of view, it makes no sense. In branding terms, it is uncommon to allow such logo juxtaposition. From a humanist point of view, branding with head tattoos is controversial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:c22:b819:8e00:c493:cd00:dc1c:3436 (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

This isn't a Japanese-specific thing. If you look at almost all historical Olympic mascots, they also include that year's Olympic logo on the design somewhere—usually on the belly. As a result, it seems to me that including the logo on the design somewhere is a mandate from the International Olympic Committee rather than a design choice by this particular artist. I was unable to find any discussion of this in my research, however, so we can't really include it in the article. Mz7 (talk) 17:46, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Just an FYI these files are public domain:

Not sure how they can be incorporated into the article as official merchandise created by the Japanese government. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87: Looks like we did end up using the coin pictures starting last year [1]. Now that this article passed GAN, I am considering nominating it for WP:DYK on the Main Page, and I considered using the Miraitowa coin for the DYK nom. However, after doing some more research into the copyright status of the coins, I have come to the realization that they may not be as free as we think. The relevant policy is commons:Commons:Derivative works: while the coin may be CC BY (note: not PD), the design of Miraitowa and Someity are still copyrighted. Specifically, see COM:CHARACTER: Sometimes individual works featuring copyrighted characters (such as Donald Duck or Superman) enter the public domain. Although the works themselves are in the public domain, any portions that include the copyrighted characters are still restricted by copyright law. It's a bit of a gotcha in copyright law. :( I think I am going to remove the coin pictures in preparation for the Main Page. We may need to nominate them for deletion on the Commons if my reasoning holds. Mz7 (talk) 18:14, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
If you feel they are non free then nominate them for deletion. The sticking point is that the Japanese government made the coins for the event. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:13, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

@SpinnerLaserzthe2nd: A while back, you added an {{infobox}} on this and other Olympic mascot Wikipedia articles [2]. I was wondering if you would be okay with undoing this and moving back to just a regular thumbnail. Personally, I think the infobox is kind of ugly and does not add much helpful information to the article. The right side of the article is already pretty cluttered on this article by {{2020 Summer Olympics}} and {{2020 Summer Paralympics}}, so removing the infobox would help declutter it. Also, the "significance" section is currently unsourced (it's not clear why the description there is really what makes the mascots "significant"), and the "creator" we could simply move to the caption of a regular thumbnail. For example, instead of an infobox, the caption could simply read something like: Miraitowa (left), the mascot of the Olympics, and Someity (right), the mascot of the Paralympics. Both mascots were designed by Ryo Taniguchi (Japanese: 谷口亮). Mz7 (talk) 20:09, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

@SpinnerLaserzthe2nd: Thanks for your edit!  Mz7 (talk) 00:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Miraitowa and Someity/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Mz7 (talk · contribs) 00:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs) 03:24, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

These guys look such silly goobers! This nom's been up for a hot minute, so I'll take a look through sometime within the next week. Been a bit busy so no promises on an exact day but I promise I'll get to it soon. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 03:24, 4 August 2025 (UTC)


### Six GA Criteria
1. Article is well-written. Very minimal mistakes if any at all.
2. No OR, all info is cited in the article.
3. Coverage is broad in depth and focus. Shows multiple aspects of the characters.
4. Article appears neutral, and does not appear to hold a significantly negative nor positive stance on the subject.
5. Article appears stable. Does not appear to have had any major vandalism occur.
6. Article uses three fair use images with proper rationale.


### Lead
-Could you clarify ichimatsu moyo for those unfamiliar?

Done. Mz7 (talk) 05:33, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
-"competitive process" as in the process was competitive and hard for a design to win, or that the process was a competition? If the latter, what type?

Modified this to read design competition. Mz7 (talk) 05:33, 7 August 2025 (UTC)


### History
-Looks good


### Characteristics
-Looks good


### Artist
-Looks good


### Media
-Looks good


### Reception
-Per WP:FORBES, does the Forbes source in Reception meet reliability? 

Excellent point. Looks like when I first wrote the article, I missed that it was a Forbes contributor that wrote it and not a Forbes staff writer. That is a bit unfortunate, as quite a bit of the article pulled from that source. I have gone ahead and removed it. I spent some time last night doing a bit more research, and I tried to add to the Reception section to replace what was based on the Forbes source. Let me know what you think.
-What is the reliability of Dator per WP:BLOG?

I had thought that SB Nation was a traditional sports news site like The Athletic, where the “blog” of a particular journalist still had editorial oversight—but looks like I am wrong, and it is in fact user-generated content with minimal editorial oversight. Alas. Thank you for pointing this out—I have removed the reference to SB Nation.
-Not sure we need to cite the OG Twitter post when NYT seemingly covers the information here anyway.

Fair enough. Removed it.


### Spotcheck
-Spotchecked nine random sources: 27, 23, 39, 24, 1, 26, 41, 38, 17. 
-Are there any better sources for the Twitter posts used in the article? Not sure if it's WP:DUE to mention them if that's all that covers them. 

I think that citing the official Tokyo 2020 Twitter accounts is okay for uncontroversial content per WP:ABOUTSELF. In this case, the article uses them to include the two animated videos featuring the mascots, which I think satisfy all of the WP:ABOUTSELF criteria. I don’t see them as exceptional claims or unduly self-serving—they seem like pretty significant pieces of mascot media. Open to being persuaded, though.
-What is the reliability of the Geek Herald?

Wow, it looks like that website died and has been replaced with some malware-promoting content today. Removed it.


### Overall
-@Mz7: Overall this looks solid prose-wise. Sources I would appreciate clarification on. Ping me when you hit all this up. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:37, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

@Pokelego999: Thanks so much for the review. You raised some really good points. I have responded inline to them above. Let me know if you have further feedback! Mz7 (talk) 04:25, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
@Mz7 this looks solid. Though my concerns are more DUE than anything else on the Twitter posts, they aren't a super huge problem. I'm happy to pass given the main issues have been addressed.  Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 04:29, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the review, Pokelego999! Mz7 (talk) 18:17, 8 August 2025 (UTC)