# Talk:Marie Fredriksson

In his 1998 box set "Through The Years",  Kenny Rogers claims his 1986 hit song "The pride is back" is a duet with "the lead singer of Roxette" under the name Nickie Ryder and that "no one had heard of her at the time, she was a studio singer". Is Nickie Ryder actually Marie Fredriksson under a different name? Given Rogers claim and the diverse array of artists he has worked with during his lengthy career it seems plausible. What do others think? If this is true, it's certainly worthy of mention here. The song can be heard on you tube here [1] 82.45.239.158 (talk) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

I just listened to that song and I'm pretty sure that the female singer is not Marie Fredriksson. - --Aphasia83 (talk) 13:55, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Interesting, thank you for taking the time to respond. Would still be interested if anyone knew for sure though? Especially if they had a source. Thanks again! 82.45.239.158 (talk) 14:07, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
I doubt you're still watching this, IP, but I believe I may have solved this mystery (Scooby Doo reference). "Nickie Ryder" appears to be a pseudonym for Anne-Lie Rydé, who was signed to RCA Records in the US as a solo artist in 1986 (the year "The Pride Is Back" was released). Kenny Rogers was partly correct in the Through the Years liner notes: rumour has it Rydé was Per Gessle's first choice as Roxette's lead vocalist, so maybe she mentioned the name "Roxette" while they were recording their duet? But Rydé experienced significant problems with her vocal cords later that year (in 1986... somewhat confirmed on her Wikipedia article), so Gessle chose Marie Fredriksson instead. Despite this, Rydé performed "backing vocals" on several of Roxette's earlier releases, most notably "Soul Deep" on Pearls of Passion, and is credited as Ki (short for Nikki?) Rydberg (Ryder?) on Marie's 1987 album Efter stormen. Also, the woman singing on the Kenny Roger song you've linked to sounds suspiciously like Miss Rydé on this 1985 Swedish TV performance. Hope this helps. ;) Homeostasis07 (talk · contributions) 00:28, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Probably no one is still checking this. But I suspect this is due to the confusion over Gyllene Tider calling themselves Roxette in the US. In 1984, Gyllene Tider's album Heartland Cafe was released in the US as an EP under the name Roxette. Anne-Lie Rydé was credited as lead vocals (for When Love’s on the Phone), so she was technically a lead vocalist for "Roxette". Marie is only credited as a backing vocalist on Heartland.
So, if Anne-Lie Rydé was discussing what she did on US released albums, she did lead vocals on a "Roxette" album. Only that's Gyllene Tider, not the duo Roxette. 2603:8001:3503:2FBF:CDAE:B1F6:F12F:F5D1 (talk) 01:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Nickie Ryder is a pseudonym for Sandy Farina, I'd recognize those raspy vocals anywhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lAxZF9FOWw Metabad (talk) 21:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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Died of Cancer......  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:DA9A:F500:81AB:942B:88B2:141D (talk) 20:03, 10 December 2019 (UTC) 

Quite. Have edited cause of death - there is nothing in any of the sources to suggest she died of complications from treatment of her brain tumour, so have redacted that and left it at 'died from a brain tumour'. Kilbosh (talk) 14:26, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Cavie78 (talk · contribs) 20:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
I'll take this one Cavie78 (talk) 20:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Lead

Do we need a list of the Billboard singles?
Removed. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Regarding the Strul link, you shouldn't use inline links to other language wikis per WP:ILL "because it hides the fact that the English Wikipedia is missing that article, and because it can be very unexpected for someone who doesn't speak German to suddenly be sent to a German page"
Removed. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
"She and Gessle later reunited to record more albums as Roxette, who embarked on a worldwide concert tour." Think it would be better to say "She and Gessle later reunited to record more albums as Roxette, and the pair embarked on a worldwide concert tour." Having said that, it seems odd that you highlight this specific tour when you don't mention any of Roxette's other tours/Fredriksson's solo tours or tours with her first bands.
Changed to your phrasing. About the latter point, I created the article for The Neverending World Tour, and recreated the articles for Join the Joyride! Tour and Crash! Boom! Bang! Tour, but could never find enough sources to recreate articles for either the Look Sharp! Live or Room Service tours, or for any of Fredriksson's solo tours. Maybe someday. But The Neverending World Tour (an umbrella name for a series of concert tours) was pretty much what Marie spent the last decade of her life doing, so thought it appropriate to include a mention in the lead. Let me know if you disagree with this and I'll find a workaround. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Early Life

Do you know the name of the musical she co-wrote?
As far as I know, this has never been specified, unfortunately. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Early Work

Use (English: Hassle) not (transl. Hassle) for any translations
Done. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
No need to use speechmarks with festival names
Removed. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
"Due to the success of the festival, she opted" I know you've said "Fredriksson" in the previous sentence, but it would be better to say "Due to the success of the festival, Fredriksson opted"
Done. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Any reason why Fredriksson dropped to playing keyboards in MaMas Barn and Sternhufvud took on lead vocals? Did Fredriksson sing at all in the group? It seems odd to describe Sternhufvud as vocalist, given that you've previously called him a guitarist. Make it clear that he moved to vocals and Fredriksson moved to keyboards.
Rectified. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Seems slightly strange that you mention Strul getting a record contract at the end of the first paragraph, then mention it again a few sentences later.
Rectified. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Solo work and Roxette

"Her third studio album" again, you should say Fredriksson for clarity -> "Fredriksson's third studio album"
Done. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Roxette's international breakthrough

If Roxette didn't have a record contract in the US, how did it get in the Billboard Hot 100? You shouldn't write too much about The Look story, but I think we need more than there is at the minute.
Added a couple of lines about that (with sources). Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
"The parent album" -> "The single's parent album'
Done. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
""Listen to Your Heart" was their second number one" -> ""Listen to Your Heart" was the band's second number one"
Done. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
"In 1990, she contributed a cover" -> "In 1990, Fredriksson contributed a cover"
Done. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Continued solo work

"Den ständiga resan (The Eternal Journey) was released that October" This should really be set up - "Fredriksson's fourth solo album, Den ständiga resan (English: The Eternal Journey), was released that October"
"and most critically successful studio album" -> "and most critically successful solo studio album"
"she was a featured vocalist in Bolyos' band" -> "she was a featured vocalist with Bolyos' band"
"so refused to publicly promote it" Refuse makes it sound like her record company tried to force her to promote the album? Maybe "was unable to". "felt she could not" or "decided not to" would be better? Don't think there's any need for the word "publicly" here, you can't really promote something in private
"Prior to its release" Because you mention "Waiting for the Rain" just beforehand, I think it would be better to say "Prior to the album's release" for clarity
"which saw Fredriksson obtaining full control of the copyrights to her entire discography" -> "which saw Fredriksson obtain the copyright for her entire solo discography"
"It was also one of the best-selling albums of 2001" -> "It was also one of the best-selling albums of 2001 in the country"
Changed all these. Nice catch on point 5, by the way. The sort of silly mistake you makes when you edit an article for 2 months. ;) Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Brain tumour diagnosis and aftermath

"She collapsed in a bathroom after becoming nauseated" -> "She collapsed in a bathroom after becoming nauseous"
"which was the first event Fredriksson appeared after" -> "which was the first event Fredriksson appeared at after"
"and one of the very few public" -> "and one of very few public"
Changed all these. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Return to creativity

Ok
Return to touring, Roxette reunion and Nu!

"which became Fredriksson's" -> "and became Fredriksson's"
Done. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Final years

Ok
Personal life

Ok
Death

"Fredriksson died on 9 December 2019. She was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 2002, and died following a 17-year battle with cancer at the age of 61" This seems odd, given that you've already mentioned the brain tumour. Maybe "Fredriksson died on 9 December 2019 at the age of 61, following a 17 year long battle with cancer after her 2002 brain tumor diagnosis"
Thank you for the alternate phrasing. There's been quite a bit of debate on how to phrase this sentence. Your wording seems perfect. ;) Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Did Gessle attend the funeral? I ask because you've only just said he wasn't invited to Fredriksson's wedding so "closest friends" may, or may not, imply he attended.
An attendee list has never been divulged. But after some further research, it seems as though it was a "silent funeral", with only her immediate family in attendance. I've changed the article text to reflect this. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Images

All look good and have appropriate licences, but I wonder if you could find an image for the infobox that shows her whole face? The microphone is quite distracting
Replaced. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions)
Sources

Look good - very well researched!
All in all a really well written article. Placing on hold until my relatively minor concerns are dealth with Cavie78 (talk) 16:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the review, and I'm sorry it has taken me this long to respond. I'm not as active on Wikipedia as I used to be. I believe I've addressed all of your concerns, but let me know if there's anything else I can do. Thanks again. ;) Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 01:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your responses. The only thing I'd say is that I think the opening paragraph about MaMas Barn could be clearer. Maybe "Following Strul's breakup, Fredriksson and Sternhufvud formed a new band, MaMas Barn. The two were the only permanent members, with Sternhufvud moving to vocals and Fredriksson to keyboards"? Cavie78 (talk) 10:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I swore I did this. But I've used your wording now. Sorry for the confusion. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 00:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks. The first album I owned was Tourism on cassette, so it's nice to see this article be promoted. Congrats Cavie78 (talk) 15:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. Coincidentally, the first CD I ever owned was Tourism (a gift from "Santa Claus", Xmas '92). I was just gonna send you a thanks for promoting, but Tourism also being the first album you owned was such a strange coincidence that I had to respond. I hope to bring that album to GA one day... maybe after its 25th Anniversary Edition is released? And good luck with the GA backlog drive. ;) Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 00:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Haha, quite the coincidence! Good luck with future articles. Feel free to ping me if you need reviewers Cavie78 (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2020 (UTC)