# Talk:Komm, gib mir deine Hand / Sie liebt dich

Did the single chart in Germany? Was it ever released in East Germany? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

As for East Germany, I think only about three or four Beatles sampler LPs were released there during the 70s and 80s by Amiga with a random mixed bag from their entire career, akin to A Collection of Beatles Oldies and The Essential Beatles. --46.93.158.170 (talk) 19:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I've looked up all the East-German Beatles releases by Amiga on discogs:
1964: Ain't She Sweet / Cry For A Shadow[5], single release
1965: It Won't Be Long / Devil In Her Heart[6], single release
1965: Sweet Georgia Brown / Why[7], single release of two songs from the My Bonnie album where "The Beat Brothers" backed Sheridan
1966: The Beatles - Big Beat[8], East-German LP compilation of Beatles songs, sourced from the first two albums Please Please Me and With the Beatles, plus the two singles She loves you and A Hard Day's Night.
1974: A Collection Of Beatles Oldies[9], the first time East Germans could legally buy copies of Beatles singles from the Help! up until Revolver period put on this compliation, first East-German Beatles release in stereo. The back cover holds a slightly ideologically tinted short essay about how their song lyrics basically represented and incited the British working class with revolutionary fervor and helped young people deal with love, with a few short quotes from the lyrics translated to German.
1974: A Collection Of Beatles Oldies[10], MC version
1976: The Fantastic Pop Power[11], random compilation of 60s and 70s Western pop music, included Ain't she sweet
1980: 1967-1970[12], basically the Blue Album with its own East-German cover
1980: 1967-1970[13], MC version with original Western cover
1980: Emerson, Lake & Palmer[14], this was an accidental pressing where the first side contained the according songs from the ELP album, but the second side was accidentally pressed with songs from the above 1967-1970 album
1983: The Beatles[15], basically a slightly extended re-release of the 1966 compilation Big Beat with a different track order, now extended with the 6 songs from the above three 1964 and 1965 single releases. The back cover held a text with reminiscenses of their Hamburg days that read a bit like a Wikipedia article, with a few technical notes on the recording sessions with Kaempfert/Sheridan, calling them influenced by The Shadows, followed by similar notes on their EMI sessions for Please Please Me and With the Beatles.
So that's basically three official East-German compilations (Big Beat, A Collection of Beatles Oldies, and 1967-1970, plus a slightly extended 1983 re-release of Big Beat under different title), three singles, and one accidental pressing all in all. According to Mitteldeutsche Zeitung, they were hard to get at the time because of the deliberately low pressing runs for Western-Bloc music. After the fall of the wall, many East-German fans let go of their Amiga compilations for the original albums, but nowadays they're collector's items (even if they hardly cost more than 10 Euros). --46.93.158.170 (talk) 18:18, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I have found a few sites that indicate Parlophone released "Komm, gib mir deine Hand" b/w "Sie liebt dich" in Australia on 25 June 1964, catalogued as A8117. This shows up on Joe Goddenn's Beatles Bible and on Discogs. I have not found this sourced in any print authorities however. Given that Discogs has pictures of the label, I'm sure it was released, but until we find something authoritative it will need to be left off the page.
Next, I've included a lengthy footnote regarding the date of release in West Germany. Nearly every source I've read — Walter Everett, Barry Miles, Kenneth Womack and Margotin & Guesdon (though Womack and M&G cite Everett) — say Odeon released it on 5 March 1964. This doesn't make much sense given that, according to Mark Lewisohn, the songs were not mixed in mono and stereo until 10 and 12 March, respectively. John Winn simply says that after the songs were mixed they were "sent to West Germany for rush-release..." The Beatles Bible gives an even more nonsensical release of 4 February, only six days after recording. On the official German charts, it indicates that both songs first entered on 1 April 1964, implying a release sometime in the second half of March. I can't narrow the range down any further than this (12 March – 1 April 1964).
I have been looking for better sources regarding both of these claims but have so far come up empty. I expect we may need to wait until Lewisohn comes out with volume 2 of The Beatles: All These Years (sometime around 2045). Tkbrett (✉) 17:35, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Australian release is now sourced. Tkbrett (✉) 13:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I can't help feeling this article relies way too much on direct quotations. It becomes something of a George Martin armchair recollection. (Yes, he was the Parlophone boss and their connection with EMI worldwide, but he's not the artist.) Also, the amount of text relegated to notes – creating 16 notes in total – is quite a surprise, given the article's not at all long. It's especially noticeable under Background, where three consecutive sentences carry notes/asides. JG66 (talk) 15:18, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I removed two George Martin quotations that I now see don't really add much. I can definitely be a little overzealous with my notes; I  moved several of them into the body of the text and removed others. Thank you for the smaller cosmetic fixes. I've made sure to familiarize myself with MOS:DASH so I can avoid those issues in the future. Tkbrett (✉) 15:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Komm, gib mir deine Hand / Sie liebt dich/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Oldest songs GAN that is eligible for review, so appropriate for me to take this on! --K. Peake 06:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


### Infobox and lead
WP:OVERLINK of West Germany under A-side in the infobox
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Remove only before "Hand" and "dich"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
The release info should come directly after the liberties sentence, plus move the German language versions info to being part of the opening sentence instead
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
The release sentence should begin with "The German versions were released..." then following the rest, plus add the US info here instead
Done. I began the sentence as "Odeon Records released the German version..." to avoid passive voicing. Let me know if this looks O.K. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
The commercial performance info is out of order; this should be directly after the recording info of the third para for both countries
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Remove introductions on Odeon Records, George Martin and Brian Epstein because them being introduced in the body is sufficient
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"the German market the Beatles" → "the German market, the Beatles" to fix the sentence flow
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Remove pipe on UK, plus shouldn't this be the United Kingdom since you wrote the United States?
Done and done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"For "Komm, gib mir deine Hand" they" → "For "Komm, gib mir deine Hand", they"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"Their subsequent practice" → "The band's subsequent practice"
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Remove wikilink on English Language
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Remove wikilink on Europe
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### Background
Retitle to Background and development
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Remove wikilink on the Beatles
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Pipe Olympia Theatre to Olympia (Paris)
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"On 25 January," → "On 25 January 1964,"
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"number one in America" → "number one in the United States"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Merge the second para with the above one per the short length
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"conceived of the Beatles" → "conceived the Beatles"
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"in West Germany they" → "in West Germany, the band"
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Remove pipe on B-side
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"John Winn translates" → "John C. Winn translates" per the source
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Wikilink Lennon–McCartney
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Pipe chorus to Refrain
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"says that "The German rewrite" → "says, "The German rewrite"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


### Recording
"The tape travelled with Martin and Smith" → "The tape was brought by Martin and Smith during their travels"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Merge the second para with the above one per my earlier comment
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
[8] should solely be after the last proper sentence of the new para because it is the sole ref
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Pipe china pot to Porcelain
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"and the group's only outside the UK." → "and the band's only one outside of the United Kingdom." per my earlier comment
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Merge the fourth para with the above one
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Img looks good apart from the missing full-stop, but it is fine to have this be at the start of the merged para
Done and added full-stop. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"was the first song recorded" specify what this means, i.e it being the first song of the two or something else
Now, "was the first of three songs recorded that day." Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"Martin produced, supported" → "Martin produced it, being supported"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Pipe mixed to Audio mixing (recorded music)
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"from four- to" is the dash supposed to be here? If so and it's a different format of the one at the end of the sentence, change to four-track
Changed to four-track. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"as well as Harrison's" → "as well as George Harrison's" with the wikilink
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"Lennon's rhythm guitar" → "John Lennon's rhythm guitar" with the wikilink
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"on "She Loves You" he" → "on "She Loves You", he"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Merge the penultimate para with the above one, especially in the context of the two days later part
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"on 31 January." → "on 31 January 1964."
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"record four takes" either add "of" or "for" after this, depending on which the source mentions
now, "to record four takes of 'Can't Buy Me Love'". Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"the joined edit of" → "the combined edit of"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"On 12 March," → "Two days after the initial mix,"
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"and the US." → "and the United States." per MOS:US
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Pipe register to Register (music)
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### Release
Retitle to Release and impact
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Quote box looks good!
:) Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"in West Germany" → "across West Germany"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Remove obvious wikilink on Australia
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"in June 1964," → "during June 1964,"
Done.  Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Merge the second para with the above one per my earlier comment
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't you write record label instead of label?
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"to that song." → "to the song."
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"They released "Sie liebt dich" b/w "I'll Get You" in America" → "Swan released "Sie liebt dich" b/w "I'll Get You" in the US"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
"on the North American album" → "on the Beatles' North American album"
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"for new Beatle material." → "for new Beatles material."
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Move the part about them never recording foreign versions again to the end of the section, as this specifically deals with impact
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Is the ellipsis in Martin's quote part of the original or is it added in; if the latter, surround by [] to make this clear
It is not part of the original. Added square brackets. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Remove wikilink on English language
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Pipe Rarities to Rarities (1978 The Beatles album) per MOS:LINK2SECT
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"this release eliminates a" → "the release eliminates a"
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Remove "the album" intro to Something New since this is already known
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"It remained unavailable" → "The song remained unavailable"
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Pipe Rarities to Rarities (1980 Beatles album)
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"on the 1988 compilation" → "for the 1988 compilation"
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Is the word "respectively" needed at the end of the sentence when there is no difference indicated for the releases other than the titles?
Unneeded and removed. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Pipe Second World War to World War II
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


### Personnel
Shouldn't this be titled credits and personnel?
I have only seen "Personnel" as a section title on Beatles articles. For example, FAs Something, Hey Jude, The Long and Winding Road
Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


### Charts
Remove the sub section because that is redundant when all positions are weekly; mention in the table captions that they are for weekly chart performance of the songs
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


### References
Retitle to Notes and references
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Copyvio score looks great at 17.4%!!!
:) Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


#### Notes
John Winn says → John C. Winn says
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Remove wikilink on India
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Remove pipes on George Harrison and John Lennon as well as the added surnames using [], as the full names were used before this quote
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


#### Citations
Cite ThoughtCo as publisher instead for ref 16 and pipe to Dotdash, plus add an archive URL
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


#### Sources
WP:OVERLINK of The Beatles on the second source
Done. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Wikilink Three Rivers Press on its first source
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Wikilink Cambridge University Press on its first source
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Pipe Dorling Kindersley to DK (publisher)
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Wikilink Chicago Review Press
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Pipe Omnibus to Omnibus Press
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Wikilink University of Michigan and Three Rivers Press
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Pipe Greenwood to Greenwood Publishing Group
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### Final comments and verdict
 On hold until all of the issues are fixed, but feel free to reach out if you have any questions! --K. Peake 10:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the taking the time to go through this so thoroughly. I only have one FA under my belt and its in something completely different, so I appreciate your help here. I have gone through and made most of the changes you suggested. See my comments above. Cheers. Tkbrett (✉) 13:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Tkbrett  Pass now, you did misunderstand my comment about the chart table so I fixed that for you and I also edited the lead after the last para stood out as too short. --K. Peake 18:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)