# Talk:Martin St. Louis

Google results heavily favor Martin St. Louis as the correct spelling/punctuation for his name.  I only saw one result in roughly the first four pages of results that gave his last name as "St-Louis". --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I believe that's how they spell it in French. I frankly don't care either way, although if I had to choose I would put it back to St. Louis.  Croat Canuck   02:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok.  I'll move it back.  Per WP:NAME, "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." --Idont Havaname (Talk) 04:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
This article could really use a rewrite ...

Martin St. Louis was NOT drafted into the NHL because he was considered to be too small. He signed as a free agent with Calgary in 1998. According to the article, St. Louis was drafted 62nd overall in 1997 by Calgary which is untrue. The 62nd overall pick in 1997 belonged to Philadelphia and they drafted defenceman Kris Malette. (check this site)
"Martin St. Louis was NOT drafted into the NHL because he was considered to be too small"
he was never in the NHL draft. he played college hockey at UVM. the NHL draft is only for
20 and under north American players and 1st time euros of any age. he was 21 years old
when he graduated UVM, meaning he was TOO OLD and INELIGIBLE for the draft. there was
no possibility of anyone drafting a 21 year old, whether he is 4' tall or 8' tall.
you can't draft 21 year old north American players, PERIOD. that issue has been resolved
maybe a hundred times on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.204.251 (talk • contribs) 

St. Louis was eligible for the NHL draft in both his 18 and 19 year old seasons, and he was passed over for the reason stated in the article. By the time he had graduated UVM, he was of course too old for the draft, which is why he was a free agent at that point. Resolute 14:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

in order to passed over in the draft he would have to be IN the draft. he was at UVM at 17. he was not
in the draft. he was not passed over in the draft because he was not in the draft. you can't be drafted
if you are not in the draft. they don't just randomly go around drafting people. this is like saying
I was not elected president in an article about me. I never ran for president so the comment is completely
irrelevant. your point in saying he was undrafted, and further argued by your claim he was "passed over",
is that he entered the draft and was not drafted. this is FALSE. if you want to include anything about
the draft, just say he never entered it. an NHL team that involuntarily drafted a college player would
be completely wasting that pick, because the player becomes a free agent in june after graduating, as
marty did. marty graduated and was thus a free agent upon graduation. even if a player enters the draft
and decides to go to college instead, he still becomes a free agent after he graduates and owes the nhl
team nada.  wasted pick. st. Louis already was playing at UVM before he was eligible for the draft.
MLB and NHL don't work like NFL and NBA.

Regardless of when he was not drafted or why, there is no reason to remove that statement from the lead. Echoedmyron (talk) 18:38, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
the reason to remove it is because the NHL can't force someone already in college to play pro hockey.
it's a wasted pick as the player becomes a free agent after graduating. marty was already playing in
college before becoming draft eligible  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.204.251 (talk) 18:46, 2 April 2014 (UTC) 

So? It doesn't change the fact that he was not drafted, and it is noteworthy to mention that such an elite player was undrafted, and to also indicate how he came to join the NHL. You are on the verge of breaking the WP:3R rule for edit-warring, so don't remove it again without a very good reason. Up to now your reasons have not been applicable. Echoedmyron (talk) 18:50, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
You are reading something into the statement that is not there, and you are basing your opinions on faulty assumptions. St Louis, like all players, becomes draft eligible in his 18-year-old season.  In this case, that would have been after his Junior A season.  Players are eligible for two seasons - so his second year of eligibility was his first year in college.  He went unselected both times.  At that point he became a free agent for the NHL's purposes.  Additionally, drafting college players is no more "a wasted pick" than drafting junior players are.  If you draft a junior and he does not sign within two years, you lose his rights.  Long story short, the fact that St. Louis was too old for the draft at the time he graduated college is utterly irrelevant to the fact that he went unselected when he was eligible to be drafted.  The statement that he went undrafted is actually a positive one: that he carved out a great career despite the fact that the NHL didn't seriously consider him a prospect at 18/19. Resolute 19:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
I think you are comparing the NHL draft to the NBA and NFL drafts which do not operate in the same way. For the NBA and NFL a collage player must declare that he will enter the draft, which signifies the end of his eligibility to return to college athletics for all intensive purposes. In the NHL once a person is 18 they are eligible to be drafted by a team. The Buffalo Sabres technically drafted a fictional person in 1974. If a current college player or high school-er entering college is drafted by an NHL team he can still participate in NCAA athletics, while the draft team will retain his rights for two years. --Mo Rock...Monstrous  (leech44) 23:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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The current picture at the top of the article is straight-up bad. It's yellowish, and St.Louis' facial expression is so unflattering, you'd think a Tampa hater picked it.
The one used to illustrate the "Tampa Bay Lightning (2000-2014) section is of much better quality, and is the one used for this article in several other pages. Could it be possible to use that one instead? Florence and the Codeine (talk) 01:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)