# Talk:Gwinnett Environmental & Heritage Center

While WP:STRONGNAT does say that strong national ties dictate dating within an article, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers counters at WP:DATESNO by making a point that "Special rules apply to citations". WP:CITESTYLE's emphasis is on a consistent style, and WP:CITEVAR makes it clear that this style should not be changed and "As with spelling differences, unless there is consensus to change, defer to the style used by the first major contributor." Yet it omits any concession about strong national ties whereas other guidelines include it; it doesn't apply to citations.  Dates within the citation style do not have to follow WP:STRONGNAT because they aren't part of the prose and WP:CITESTYLE does not make the "strong national ties" concession whereas other, non-citation guidelines do (such as WP:DATERET and WP:TIES). The citation style does not need to follow the prose date format, but it does need to be consistent within the article. Barring an existing style used in an already existing article, being used to military dating which uses DMY, I use the Oxford style referencing and nothing I can find in the MoS says that I shouldn't be able to, even in American articles. The actual prose needs to follow WP:STRONGNAT and I make sure the dates always do as appropriate when I write articles, but the MoS points out special rules apply to citations for a reason.  - Aoidh (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Your reversion is also undoing fixes to the citation templates and other edits, including one that aligns the article with WP:ORDER. While technically correct may indeed be the best kind of correct, take care to only change the parts of an article that should be changed. - Dravecky (talk) 21:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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@Ravenpuff: I wanted to elaborate on why I reverted the move and an edit-summary seemed inadequate. Aside from this source which was hastily made the "official" website after the original website got their domain taken away, sources (even county sources including the original announcement) overwhelmingly refer to it as "Gwinnett Environmental & Heritage Center" as it's proper name, which a quick look through the sources in the article will verify. The signage at the building (which I did not take photos of unfortunately) uses & (the front sign can be seen on Google Maps as can the front entrance). Becuase MOS:& says "But retain an ampersand when it is a legitimate part of the style of a proper noun" I think it needs to be retained the current way, because that is the proper noun for the center. Some of the sources that do use "and" such as this one and this one are inconsistent and switch between the two, so a lot of the usage of "and" seems to be a desire to spell out of reflex rather than any reflection of the proper name of the center. - Aoidh (talk) 00:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Minorax: The File:Gwinnett Environmental & Heritage Center logo.png is not the logo for the GEHC, that is the logo for Gwinnett County, Georgia. The source for that file is this gwinnettcounty.org page about the GEHC, but that logo is present on every page on that website. The File:Gwinnett EHC Logo.jpeg is the logo for this article's subject specifically, as used on street signage, center-specific applications, and elsewhere. The GEHC used to have a dedicated website but it has since been usurped (which is unfortunate as signage such as File:Chesser-Williams Sign.jpg includes that now-usurped website), but Gwinnett County's own logo is not the logo for the GEHC. - Aoidh (talk) 18:18, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Whoops. Sorry for the inconvenience caused. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)