# Talk:Kingda Ka

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Well, it's not currently running. It's "broken." Part of the launch track got dislodged and broke other parts of the ride. Also, when they were testing it before it opened, the dummies' HEADS fell off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoking66 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

NO DUMMIES HEADS FELL OFF!! CAN PEOPLE JUST STOP SAYING THAT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emann187 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Will you please stop it with all of these rumors with the dummies!  None of it is true!!!  It never happened!  Erase it from your mind!  No dummies ever fell out, nor did any heads come off!  If that did happen, do you think they would have opened it at all this season?  Do you really think Six Flags wants heads of people coming off on one of their rides?  Lawsuit-city!  They'd go bankrupt, and besides, the state of NJ wouldn't have passed the ride in its test, and NJ is known as one of the states with one of the stricter roller coaster tests.  No more about the dummies, okay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.129.215 (talk) 17:55, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

"Boss, the dummy's heads all fell off on the test ride."
"Ah, the hell with it, just let those kids on already." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casey J. Morris (talk • contribs) 05:04, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I think I have proof that there are dummies; http://rcdb.com/ig2832.htm?picture=34, but seriously, heads detatched from bodies? Count me out. - Ceres3 (talk) 03:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Justy fyi, that a MegaStructures article exists.  This coaster was featured on the show MegaStructures recently.  I started a stub article for MegaStructures - if you want to work the fact of being a documentary subject into the article, or watch the show and point at the article in your reference section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SchmuckyTheCat (talk • contribs) 07:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I feel this article has potential to be a good article again. I plan on adding more/better sources but is there anything else that anybody thinks should be done so it passes? --Astros4477 (talk) 21:38, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

After more sources are added, requesting a copy edit would probably be a good idea. Themeparkgc  Talk  22:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I have began cleaning up the article but does anybody have a reference for the 2009 lightning strike? The current source is Screamscape which is outdated. --Astros4477 (talk) 22:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
This and this came up in a Google News search. I'd go with the second as it would be considered more reliable. Themeparkgc  Talk  04:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Kingda Ka/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Dom497 (talk · contribs) 22:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality: 
Quality of article is good.
B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists: 
Article complies with MoS.
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources: 
See comment section. Good.
B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: 
See comment section. Good.
C. No original research: 
See comment section. Good.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: 
Major aspects of topic have been covered.
B. Focused: 
Article remains focused throughout.
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: 
No bias found.
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc: 
Article is stable.
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: 
All images are licensed properly.
B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions: 
Pictures are good and have suitable captions.
Overall:
Pass or Fail: 
See comment section. Pass.

I'm going to stop reviewing the article until all the paragraphs that do not have a reference have one. There are numerous unreferenced paragraphs in the article.--Dom497 (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I will give you 7 days (until Friday, June 8, 2012) to find references. If references arn't added by then, I will be forced to fail the article.--Dom497 (talk) 18:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I understand, I didn't spend quite as much time on this article. I didn't do that much work on the History section as I should of but I'll start working on it.--Astros4477 (talk) 19:03, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Some improvement suggestions: add more references and some references only have the bare URL (fix this by added the title, accessdate, date, etc. parameters). I will give you 10 days to fix up the article.--Dom497 (talk) 00:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I have added references and deleted a lot of original research, what do you think now?--Astros4477 (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
What do you think now?--Astros4477 (talk) 21:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Here is what needs to be fixed:
"Kingda Ka reopened on August 4, with the queue area modified so it no longer ran under the launch track.[7]" Reference #7 doesn't state any of this.
"Before 2005's malfunction, Kingda Ka's queue area was much larger. It started at the main entrance arch, went under the launch track, traveled through two large switchback areas, and split into separate lines for each side of the station. Most of the entire line ran across the ride's infield. The modified main entrance to the station was previously the "Flash Pass" entrance" needs a reference.
I know for sure this is true but unfortunately, I couldn't find anything besides for forums so I guess I'll have to remove it even though it is true.--Astros4477 (talk) 23:22, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
If the forum provides an image and clearly states what the image represents, I will except the forum as a reference.--Dom497 (talk) 19:15, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
This is what I was able to find.--Astros4477 (talk) 19:30, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I looked at the queue on Google Earth and I could see where the old queue was. If you can find another site that shows that the old queue isn't used anymore, you can use both websites for references that I will except. Your chose overall if you want to bother searching for a picture.--Dom497 (talk) 19:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't find another but why do I need two references for it?--Astros4477 (talk) 04:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
That reference only shows the old queue when in use. It does not show pictures that it is not in use anymore. Sure there are posts by other people in the forum that say the old queue is closed but there is nothing that verify that. If you find a picture that shows what the queue looks like now and clearly states that it is not in use any more, I will accept it. Sorry if I seem harsh, I'm just following the rules.--Dom497 (talk) 18:40, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Well I can't find anything else. That's all I could find.--Astros4477 (talk) 18:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
"...was made on the same day as Six Flags Inc.'s announcement of its Chapter-11 bankruptcy restructuring plan" needs a reference.
"Kingda Ka remained closed until the start of the 2012 operating season on April 5" needs a reference.
"Jungle music is played during the wait (and throughout the Golden Kingdom section of the park, which was built for the ride)" needs a reference.
"Intamin designed both Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster, and the two share a similar design and layout that differs primarily by the theme and the additional hill featured on Kingda Ka."
 Done--Astros4477 (talk) 00:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
This is the last time I am listing things to improve. If the article still has issues the next time I take a look at it, I will fail it. I'm not trying to sound mean, but I have already been way to generous for this GA review.--Dom497 (talk) 22:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I have passed the article.--Dom497 (talk) 13:36, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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Why are the ratings so low? Top Thrill started in top 10, and is now around 20, while this beats its records, but went from about 20 to about 40 in the ratings. 
Is it much rougher? B137 (talk) 07:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@ 50.49.109.144 -- I've left you a note on your talk page asking you to begin a discussion here. Since you haven't, I've done you the courtesy. Your edits lump several blue links together which should be avoided per WP:SEAOFBLUE. In addition, there's no reason to jam "accelerator" into the opening sentence. It's much cleaner to leave it in the second and link it there. First and foremost, it's a steel coaster. We can describe the model and layout in the following sentence. Feel free to discuss here, but do not continue to revert in the article. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

What’s the origin of the ride’s name? — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 13:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Alarob: I took a 30 minute look at this, so take this with a grain of salt. Contemporary unreliable sources and rumors cite it as being translated as various things, such as "King Tiger" or "Kingdom of Tigers" (Unreliable 1), "Lose your lunch" (Unreliable 2), or even based on a "mythical tiger" (this is cited in the current article, probably needs to be removed). My best guess, like some of those in the rumor mills, Six Flags probably made the term up as theme parks have done with similar roller coasters (I believe Gwazi was made up by Busch Gardens/Busch Entertainment, even if it was researched, and Kumba. I do not have a source but its a strong hunch). These current translations were probably based on original reports by reliable outlets, that cited the roller coaster to be located within "The Golden Kingdom" that included a tiger exhibit. The Asbury Park Press cited Six Flags as "now translating Kingda Ka as king of coasters" which was taken as fact by another source later down the line, but is not frequently mentioned by others during the same time period as of writing on Newspapers.com's database. Adog (Talk・Cont) 00:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Over the years, anonymous IPs have attempted to add the exact crane heights to the article as seen in these recent examples: 29 February 2024 and 21 July 2024. Although these IPs geolocate to different locations, it seems to be the same editor given the language used, but interestingly a different height is chosen in each attempt. At the very least, a source is required, but even with a source, this is trivial information that doesn't really belong on an encyclopedia. If you are the IP editor, discuss here prior to re-adding. Thank you. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

As we know, Kingda Ka is rumored to be closing, or well as the time i'm writing this, closed. Despite the fact that these are just rumors, shouldn't it make sense for it to be included in the article? I see a lot of edits being reversed about that. TheNoodleCan (talk) 17:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@TheNoodleCan, no, because it goes against one of our main pillars that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball (WP:RUMOR). I understand the rumors have a lot of merit but unless they come from a reliable source (WP:PROOF) we cannot include them. Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 04:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
We can't include that there are rumors, that they exist, and just say they're unconfirmed? TheNoodleCan (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
I believe it’s something that should be included in the article if the rumors turn out to be true (or even if the ride were to remain open, somehow)- but I don’t think it’s appropriate to include now. SchindHaughton (talk) 15:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Since there was an official announcement of the ride's closure, many editors have rushed to change the verbs in the article to the past tense. However, the ride currently still stands, and it does not appear to be entirely clear yet whether part of the ride will be reused in the replacement attraction (see Top Thrill 2). I have changed the wording from "Kingda Ka was a..." to "Kingda Ka is a decommissioned...", which I believe to be safer until we see evidence that the whole ride is being demolished. ZLima12 (talk) 16:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The ride is confirmed to be coming down, as per communications between public figures and Six Flags.  There is no ambiguity about it, and Zumanjaro is closing with it. Xanblu (talk) 18:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
From what I have seen, that does seem to be what will likely happen, but may I ask that you point to a specific citation? Top Thrill Dragster was announced as closing before being reworked into what it is now. Either way, I feel that some amount of nuance is warranted when the whole structure stands as it was when it was operating. Once demolition starts, then I'd agree that it no longer exists in the form that it is known as, so "was" would be more justified. ZLima12 (talk) 20:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

According to YouTuber ElToroRyan (who is a trusted figure in this kind of stuff), Kingda Ka didn't actually go 128mph. He states that, in practice, the coaster launched at 118mph, and that the 128mph number was the hypothetical maximum the launch system can reach. Most Six Flags workers didn't know the coaster wasn't actually going 128mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXSAsk28C_4
Is this noteworthy enough to go in the article? Evrstz (talk) 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I've never watched his videos so not sure of the reliability - can you please summarise where he got the info from and how he determined the actual speed was 128mph? Garuda3 (talk) 11:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Personally, I don't doubt that his information is correct, but nonetheless I don't feel that his video alone is enough for WP:RS. However, I think that changing the language to "an advertised speed of 128mph" would be justified, since all the sources we have are either the park's own words or others repeating them. ZLima12 (talk) 22:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
@Evrstz @Garuda3 @ZLima12 If this change hasn't been made already, I'd like to add that ElToroRyan seems to be a trustworthy source. In experience with watching his content in the past, he previously worked at Six Flags Great Adventure as a ride operator. He has also made various "technical analysis" videos about rides in the past, all of which seem to display accurate information in addition to the sources he provides. So I'm not sure if my opinion matters too much at this point, but I would also agree with Zlima and say that change should be just fine! Therguy10 (talk) 15:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Should Top Thrill 2 Take these records back because it is still slated to open on May 10, 2025 and it is now the tallest roller coaster. Also, on the Talk:Top Thrill 2 page, we came to a consensus and edited the article Top Thrill 2 to state that it was succeeded and preceded by Kingda Ka but also added that it is a current holder of the records 
You guys can leave your responses one User Talk:Eliinjic and we can come to a consensus about who we will say these records now belong to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliinjic (talk • contribs) 13:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Eliinjic As I mentioned in User talk:ZLima12#Re: Kingda Ka, I couldn't find any examples on Talk:Top Thrill 2 of an attempt to reach a consensus. Also, to make it easier for others to participate, let's try to keep the discussion here, rather than on either of our user talk pages.
Personally, I am leaning towards Red Force and Superman: Escape from Krypton being the ones to take the records, at least for the time being. If Top Thrill 2 opens without any issues on the date it's currently scheduled to, I wouldn't have much of a problem with saying that it took the records from Kingda Ka, even if this isn't technically correct. Until then though, I would like to exclude it from consideration, since we don't know for certain what will happen with the ride. ZLima12 (talk) 03:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Superman is apparently also temporarily closed. Garuda3 (talk) 14:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
I saw that, but I'm not familiar with the details of this closure. If it's not as serious as with TT2, I'd be more inclined to say that it still has the record, but I'd also be okay with saying that Red Force takes that one too. ZLima12 (talk) 21:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
I would wait and gather what reliable sources might say about record holding before we pass judgement. A lot of nuance and unknown right now for certain roller coaster's futures. Adog (Talk・Cont) 23:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Agreed; I was mainly concerned with what we should put down for the time being. ZLima12 (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
@Eliinjic @Adog @Garuda3 @ZLima12 Not sure how much of a difference this would make, but here's some of the info I am aware of. Red Force is currently the tallest operating coaster in the world. Top Thrill 2 would be the tallest currently, but technically hasn't publicly operated in months, and the coaster may be seen as standing but not operating until next year. (not to be confused with defunct) Superman: Escape from Krypton may not be considered the tallest, and here's why:
When Millennium Force opened in 2000 as the "Tallest Roller Coaster in the World," SEFK was already open. The difference here is "full circuit coaster." This basically means that some rides, such as SEFK, never complete a full circuit. A common example of this would be aboomerang coaster, also known as a shuttle coaster. (the coaster linked is just one of many clones) Is the ride classified as a roller coaster? Absolutely! However, it is really just track that doesn't connect to itself.
In the example of Millennium, there seems to be little to no disagreement regarding if it opened as the tallest roller coaster in the world. There seems to be a common consensus that rides like SEFK, among other boomerang/shuttle coasters, aren't eligible for "coaster records."
While I personally view Red Force as the tallest roller coaster in the world right now, a suggestion would be to make a note that specifies "tallest full circuit roller coaster" and "tallest roller coaster;" at least something along those lines. It's not my call to make, as I know that sources will be needed in the future, but I hope that this information is helpful in coming to a decision! Therguy10 (talk) 15:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I think the problem here is Wikipedia is supposed to follow reliable source analysis rather than conducting analysis on its own. But is there an agreement on whether to include shuttle coasters, what counts as closed or not operating, etc?
Personally I would say "tallest roller coaster" is the height the track reaches, regardless of whether it is shuttle or not. Garuda3 (talk) 11:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
That is a fair point. I will try to gather some reliable and official sources that back up everything you've stated. We could also consider creating separate categories. (ex: tallest full circuit coaster, tallest roller coaster) Therguy10 (talk) 15:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Zlima12,
If you take a look at Kingda Ka and (sorry I don't know how to link to a section, If you know please tell me) and under the section Records and look at the edits on it within the past month, you will see the conversation and the change of edits made. Eliinjic (talk) 18:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
@Eliinjic I only see this one edit to that section, in which you made the modification. This is the first step to achieving consensus, but if there is a disagreement afterwards, more action is necessary. (see WP:CONACHIEVE)
As for linking to a section, see Help:Section#Section_linking. For example, to link to the "Records" section of Kingda Ka, you would do [[Kingda Ka#Records]].
Also, to properly tag/ping someone, you may type @ followed by the username, and then click the user you want in the window that pops up. You'll notice that it will autofill the proper format, e.g. [[User:ZLima12|ZLima12]] ZLima12 (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

When the article describes the layout of the ride, it is in the tense like the ride is still in operation to this day. Obviously it's not, but I'm unsure whether that should be changed or not. Would appreciate some feedback! Therguy10 (talk) 15:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I think that we should do that, just add some sources that prove that it is closed and then I think it would be fine, you should change it in my opinion. Eliinjic (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
@Therguy10 see the existing #Word tense following announcement of closure. Basically, my stance is that anything specifically about operations should be in past tense now, but statements about the physical ride probably should be in present tense until the ride no longer exists. ZLima12 (talk) 05:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)