# Talk:Karera (Bini song)

Can anyone find a source explicitly identifying "Karera" as a pop song? The genre parameter in the infobox has listed it as "pop" since the article's creation, long before I made improvements in preparation for a GA nomination. However, a source describes the track as an evolution of Bini's bubblegum pop sound with elements of J-pop production, which I have already added in the Karera § Critical reception section.
I'm asking because I want to clarify whether "Karera" is strictly bubblegum pop or if it incorporates broader pop influences, given that "pop" has been the listed genre from the start. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:26, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Bubblegum pop with J-Pop elements is still pop. FWIW, Billboard Philippines describes it as a "pop hit" here: https://billboardphilippines.com/music/news/billboard-philippines-honors-bini-as-the-countrys-no-1-artist-of-2024/
Bubblegum pop, in particular, seems very vaguely defined as a genre (and heavily gendered) to me. I've seen people insist that "Day and Night" by Alamat is not bubblegum pop at all, or that Ajaa is the only boy group in P-pop who does bubblegum pop (though other boy groups, like Vxon and even early SB19, have been said to do the genre before too; it's just not acknowledged because they're guys). I'd say "Karera" is musically very much in pop, dance-pop, disco-pop, and house territory, but is just identified as bubblegum pop because of Bini's branding. "Karera" doesn't have the standard elements of bubblegum pop, particularly fluffy/juvenile lyrics, super brisk melodies, or super high-pitched vocals.
I honestly don't hear the J-Pop influence at all. But I'm aware that the sources describe the song as such - bubblegum pop, with J-Pop influence - so that's how the song should be described in the article. IMO, though, just "pop" is probably the most accurate descriptor I've seen that is found in the sense that it's broad enough not to exclude the other genres incorporated in the song.
Bini's branding is bubblegum pop, but they incorporate groovy sounds and disco, funk, and house elements a lot in their music. The bit about "Salamin, Salamin" from this Billboard Philippines article is probably one of the few times I've seen a source acknowledge it: https://billboardphilippines.com/editorial-picks/best-of/24-standout-songs-of-2024-so-far-staff-picks-bini-sb19-unis-felip-ena-mori/
"BINI's 'Salamin Salamin' is a chart-topper for many reasons: it's infectious, danceable, and bubblegum funk in all the best ways. One of the best parts of the song would be the prominent bass groove, which elevates the song itself and makes it stand out from the rest." Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:33, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
I also believe that the song is a pop music rather than bubblegum pop, because even I can't hear the musical elements easily identifiable in bubblegum pop songs. Though, we can't just disregard the fact that an editor in Billboard Philippines describes it as a bubblegum pop with J-pop influence because of WP:BURDEN. As for the first Billboard Philippines article you mentioned, I can't tell whether the passing mention of the song being a "pop hit" is enough to establish pop as the song's genre. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:48, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
It would be better if you can search for more articles that deeply covers the song's genre, significantly showing that it's a pop song, because I can't find one on my end. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:51, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
I'll try my best. Bloomagiliw (talk) 10:04, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
Stacey says here that "Karera" shows their "fierce" side and they don't wanna stick to just bubblegum pop: https://billboardphilippines.com/events/the-executive-edition/from-rising-stars-to-role-models-bini-on-finding-empowerment-and-shaping-what-it-means-to-be-a-modern-filipina/
Unfortunately, that's all I could find so far. I wish Pulp magazine or whatever talked about Karera because they're often pretty specific about the genres (e.g. mentioning that Walang Biruan by Kaia is a Jersey club and UK garage track). I hope one of these days, a media outlet mentions Karera's specific genres because it's a lot more somber than bubblegum pop. Bloomagiliw (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
I guess the current is fine for now if that's what verifies. Thanks for trying to find additional sources. AstrooKai (Talk) 04:06, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Karera (Bini song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: AstrooKai (talk · contribs) 13:05, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 20:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

It is reasonably well written.
a. (prose, spelling, and grammar): 

b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a. (reference section): 

b. (citations to reliable sources): 

c. (OR): 

d. (copyvio and plagiarism): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a. (major aspects): 

b. (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): 

b. (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/fail: 

(Criteria marked  are unassessed)
I will begin this review tonight! --K. Peake 20:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for reviewing this article. I'll get into your comments right away. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)


### Infobox and lead
Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox song
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
You should only mention in the first sentence that the song was recorded for their debut extended play (EP), Talaarawan (2024); split release into its own sentence directly after the songwriting credits
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
"The song was written by" → shouldn't this be something like "primarily written by" because the entire song was not by those three – the rap parts were written by group members for instance? Also, why not mention the other producer Bojam?
 Not sure. I decided to rely on this source instead, as it credits De Belen, Nica, and Jose as the song's composers. While Apple Music lists "Bojam" as one of the producers, it does not clarify that Bojam is Jumbo De Belen, although it's known that Bojam is his producer alias. This creates a conflict: Apple Music credits all of them as songwriters, but this source credits them as composers. Currently, the three Bini members are listed as songwriters along with them in the infobox. Would it be more appropriate to credit them specifically as lyricists, and list De Belen, Nica, and Jose as composers? But that would make the "producers" parameter empty since there's a conflict with the two references. I need help on this one. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
I'd say what you have done now is fine, as this lists out the roles quite clearly. --K. Peake 10:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Hey! I was editing it when you sent this. I found a reference that explicitly say "Bojam" is De Belen's nickname. See the current version of the article if it's fine. I pushed this for clarification since the "Credits and personnel" are based on Apple Music's credits which listed "Bojam" among the producers. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:52, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
This looks fine now, thanks for the clarification here! --K. Peake 07:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
There is not enough reviews cited in the prose to say "widely acclaimed", also only one cites the combo of bubblegum and J-pop
 Done. See revision 1288915611. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
"regarded it as one" → "regarded the song as one"
 Done. See revision 1288915611. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
"Bini promoted "Karera" through" → "Bini promoted the song through"
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)


### Background and release
"released its second album," → "released their second album,"
 Not done. The article is written in Philippine English, and like American English, collective nouns are referred to as singulars in construction.[1] AstrooKai (Talk) 11:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
The source for release does not mention the music video, only the single
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)


### Composition and lyrics
Add some info to the audio sample about the lyrics
Can you give an example of the info you're looking for? AstrooKai (Talk) 11:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
I mean are you able to add info about the song's lyrical themes and content; any sources to add here? --K. Peake 07:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Unfortunately, no.
Lyrically, "Karera" explores mental health, promoting self-care and encouraging listeners not to succumb to societal pressures.
This is the only info about the song's lyrical theme that I can find, because, that's what the song is about. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:18, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
I would still say you should add a mention of the relevant lyrics to the audio sample's text; only thing I can think of that is left with this article. K. Peake 20:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
 Done. See 1289165580 if I did it right. Feel free to correct me or edit it if not. AstrooKai (Talk) 21:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Why is Bojam not mentioned as a producer too?
 Done. Clarified above. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:40, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
The info about the song being picked up by Bini belongs in background, not composition
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Is there not any info you add about the musical composition itself?
Can you please clarify what you mean by "musical composition itself"? I'm having trouble comprehending at the moment lol. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
I mean further information about the composition of the song, like musical elements and instruments used. --K. Peake 07:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I can't find more articles that offered that kind of deep musical analysis of the song. I think it probably has something to do with the fact that Pantropiko, another song they released two months later, garnered further reception. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Merge the last para with the above one please
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)


### Critical reception
Retitle to Reception since the part about schools and universities is separate from critics
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:18, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
"received acclaim from critics" → "was met with acclaim from critics" although you should try to cite more reviews here; for a start, add the Billboard Philippines list ranking to prose instead since this one ranking should not have its own table
 Done. I moved the listicle into the section. Unfortunately, I can't find other reviews for the song besides those already included. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:18, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Where is it cited directly there is a link to the self-acceptance and growth parts of the themes?
That was synthesized from the aforementioned reviews, but I have removed it now if it violates WP:MINREF. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:18, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Add another para mentioning the song's chart positions in prose
 Done. I added it as the first two sentences of the second paragraph. Let me know if it's better to have it as a separate paragraph. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:18, 5 May 2025 (UTC)


### Performances
Retitle to promotion and add the release of the music video here at the start since that is definitely notable; try to find sources for the synopsis but if there is none, add prose explaining it yourself per MOS:TVPLOT
I renamed the section to "Promotion" and made a few expansions and copyedits. As for the music video, I can't provide a prose of explaining it myself without sources that explicitly support them per WP:BURDEN. Explaining it myself using a primary source (the music video itself) would also constitute WP:OR since I'm analyzing or interpreting the primary source myself. MOS:TVPLOT doesn't apply here since it's for television series, but this is a music video released on the Internet. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Prose looks good!


### Accolades
Make this a sub-section of reception
 Not done. Shouldn't this be separated as is? It's different from the common critiques of the song; the section lists its awards and nominations. Gento (song), an FA article that I used as a basis for this article, has its "Accolades" section separated from "Reception". Bad Blood (Taylor Swift song) also does the same practice. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Nope, accolades are much too short in this article to warrant their own section. --K. Peake 07:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)


### Credits and personnel
Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Link the group members to themselves
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)


### Charts
#### Weekly charts
Good


#### Year-end charts
Remove wikilinks on Philippines Hot 100 and Philippines Top Songs
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)


### Notes
Good


### References
Copyvio score looks strong at 12.6%!!!
There is only an editorial team of 3 people for ref 3; what makes this reliable?
Can you link the ref 3 you're talking about? Because in my view, the third reference listed is this article, which is from The Philippine Star, a newspaper in the Philippines. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 4
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Cite Apple Music as publisher instead on ref 5
 Done. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Cite ABS-CBN News as publisher instead on refs 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14
 Not done. "ABS-CBN News" is the name of the newspaper, so it's more appropriate to have set as the work in the citation template. Template:Cite news#Publisher states that the publisher is the company, organization or other legal entity that publishes the work being cited. But "ABS-CBN News" is the name of the publication (newspaper), not the company. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Cite GMA Network as publisher instead on ref 15
 Not done. The citation has been updated, and it's now GMA News Online, which is GMA's online version of their newspaper GMA Integrated News. So like the ABS-CBN News above, I set it as the work in the citation template instead of the publisher. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)


### Final comments and verdict
 On hold until all of the issues are fixed, this should not take too long from now! --K. Peake 10:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
AstrooKai I have left points above where you still need to implement the fixes. --K. Peake 07:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Yes, I'm working on them. Though, I was hoping for some reply from you on my replies above to hear your thoughts about them. But I'll finish the remaining points tonight.
Scratch that. I didn't see that you had already replied to some of them, lol. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
 Pass now, this article looks solid! --K. Peake 16:26, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
It was a pleasure to have you review this article. Thank you very much. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)