# Talk:Dales Pony

I have 'upped' this one to B.  I will see what else I can do to improve it. ThatPeskyCommoner (talk) 05:55, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I've translated this article into french, but there's a missing information about the Fatal Foal Immunodeficiency Syndrome (founded with Google Scholar). 

Laura Y. Fox-Clipsham, Stuart D. Carter, Ian Goodhead, Neil Hall, Derek C. Knottenbelt, Paul D. F. May, William E. Ollier et June E. Swinburne, « Identification of a Mutation Associated with Fatal Foal Immunodeficiency Syndrome in the Fell and Dales Pony », PLOS genetics,‎ july 2011 : http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1002133
L. Fox-Clipsham, J. E. Swinburne, R. I. Papoula-Pereira, A. S. Blunden, F. Malalana, D. C. Knottenbelt et S. D. Carter, « Immunodeficiency/anaemia syndrome in a Dales pony », Veterinary Record, vol. 165, no 10,‎ 2009, p. 289-290 (ISSN 0042-4900) : http://www.aht.org.uk/skins/Default/pdfs/equine_vol5_4_focus3.pdf
Fox-Clipsham et Laura Yana Awarding, « Foal immunodeficiency syndrome : identification of the causal mutation », University of Liverpool,‎ 2011
L. Y. Fox-Clipsham, E. E. Brown, S. D. Carter et J. E. Swinburne, « Population screening of endangered horse breeds for the foal immunodeficiency syndrome mutation », Veterinary Record,‎ 2011
I think it's important in a good article ! --Tsaag Valren (talk) 19:07, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Good find!  Thanks! Can you link to any of these -even if just the "abstract"?  Montanabw(talk) 00:02, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, This was raised at a group meeting of the UK Dales Pony Society yesterday and this lead image really is considered by many breed experts a VERY poor example of the breed and what they represent. We are happy to supply a number of images copyright permission given if someone could direct us in getting it changed that really do represent the breed in a much better and more accurate light. I did try to upload some further images a few years ago but without much success so assistance would be gratefully received as the society gets a fair amount of criticism for this poor image. (Annapennell (talk) 12:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC))
Just to add, I have just managed to upload this image to the commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Champion_Dales_Pony_Mare.jpg which is a accepted as a much better representation of the breed, could we please consider getting the lead image altered. Many thanks Anna (Annapennell (talk) 12:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC))

@Annapennell:  Thanks for stopping by.  The photo you propose is almost what would work here but has a couple minor problems. It is a bit too dark (particularly for the hindquarters) and the right front foot is chopped off a bit on the bottom.  Also, it would be good if the handler could be cropped out of the image as much as possible, maybe even a little blurred or photoshopped so the person is not identifiable.  We prefer (but don't mandate) that the lead image faces left, i.e. "into" the article (there are exceptions, including the image we have in here now). That alone is not a reason not to use, though.  If you could perhaps lighten up the image, crop out or blur the handler and try a second upload, we might be able to add it in.  Too bad File:Dales Pony Mare & Foal at the Dales Pony Society Breed Show.jpg has ribbons covering her face and the foal in the way (GREAT example of how black foals aren't born black, though!)  Because it has really good lighting and the horse facing the "right" way!   Montanabw(talk) 06:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Also, I did update the RBST category. Thanks for that update. Montanabw(talk) 06:24, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
PPS, also added the image of the horse under saddle; if it would be possible for you to crop that image a bit tighter and re-upload it that way (the original uploader (you) can do this, the rest of us would have to rename it.) It would look a little better at the thumbnail size here. Don't have to, though. Montanabw(talk) 06:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi :@Montanabw: , Thanks for that! I can't do a lot with that image but I have just uploaded another option https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Champion_Dales_Pony.jpg  which I "hope" fills the criteria a bit better. However, I've shown this to official DPS Photographer and he may upload some himself if this new one I've uploaded to commons isn't any better. Many thanks for your help, its much appreciated. Anna (Annapennell (talk) 17:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC))

I'll swap the images now!  As long as he is willing to release his work as CC-GDFL under a free license, the more photos the better!  Montanabw(talk) 23:47, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
That is brilliant, thankyou so much! You've made my week. (Annapennell (talk) 11:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC))

I cropped the ridden stallion photo, undo on Commons if you don't like the result. Montanabw, for future ref, anyone can do that, it doesn't have to be the uploader - follow the "Upload a new version of this file" link low down on the image page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Good to know; I'm not sure that was always possible (seems like I tried it years ago and it didn't work....)  Cropped image a great improvement!  All looks a lot better now!  Montanabw(talk) 21:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Needs to go into article. Montanabw(talk) 02:56, 28 September 2017 (UTC):  http://www.thehorse.com/articles/39703/foal-immunodeficiency-syndrome-test-available-from-gluck?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=health-news&utm_campaign=09-26-2017