# Talk:Ehenneden

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Nominator: Vanderwaalforces (talk · contribs) 16:03, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 10:20, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
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Image review

Could you add at least one picture and a map? Borsoka (talk) 10:25, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
Looks like we have the same limitations as with Uwa. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:26, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
Source review

Academic sources are cited. Borsoka (talk) 10:25, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
Could you please copy the texts verifying the following statements from the cited works?

Unlike his predecessors, who were trained in military leadership, Egiebo spent his early years learning weaving techniques for raffia and cotton.
Omoregie 1997 p. 65 Ehenneden had grown up in a weaving environment, so he learnt to weave raffia and cotton into various forms of bag and cloth.Vanderwaalforces (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Unlike his predecessors, who were trained in military leadership,.... This part is unverified. Borsoka (talk) 04:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka Okay, removed. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
He expanded royal patronage for guilds by reorganising and enlarging those of weavers and carvers, increasing artisan participation, while also fostering trade growth at Ogiso market (modern-day Agbado market)[b] and promoting the wider use of cowries as currency.
Omoregie 1997 p. 65-66 When he became Ogiso he raised royal patronage for the guilds of carvers and weavers. They were reorganised and expanded to accommodate more people. Woodworkers, farmers, hunters and traders expanded their activities also. Ogiso market (now Agbado) expanded in trade volume; and the use of cowries as currency was widely developed.Vanderwaalforces (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Ehenneden expanded the role of the Edionnisen ("Great Nobles"), granting them authority to appoint sub-chiefs, construct palaces, and establish local law courts.
Aiguobarueghia 2020 p. 396 This arrangement was further strengthened during the reign of Ogiso Ehenneden, who granted to the Edionnisen such privileges as creating of sub-chiefs for themselves, building gigantic and palatial buildings with designs on the walls and even holding courts to deal with problems in their areas. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Omoregie 1997 p. 66 Ehenneden accorded them the privilege of appointing subchiefs of their own, adopting palatial structures and designs in their buildings, and holding chieftaincy courts to deal with social problems in their areas. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Ehenneden's death ended the Oriagba dynasty, leading to the rise of the Ohuede dynasty.
Omoregie 1997 p. 68 Though the Edionnisen were determined to ensure that the succession process continued without a retrogressive change, they could not guarantee the avoidance of a dynastic replacement. This confirms that Ehenneden’s death led to a dynastic replacement (i.e., the end of the Oriagba dynasty).Vanderwaalforces (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Omoregie 1997 p. 75 Ohuede did not reject the choice but he did not want to regard himself as sharing the dynastic title of his grandfather Oriagba with the other rulers who had preceded him in the kinship family. He opted for the assertion of his own name. The Ughoron thus told his story as one founding a new Uniegie (dynasty). This verifies that Ohuede founded a new dynasty, marking the rise of the Ohuede dynasty after the Oriagba dynasty ended. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Borsoka (talk) 01:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

@Borsoka Replied, thanks! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 03:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Comments

Mention where Igodomigodo is situated now.
...Ehenneden spent his early years... I would name him Egiebo in this sentence.
This exposure... Rephrase ("This experience/His familiarity with these crafts/...)
...as Ehenneden The change of name was a tradition? If yes, mention it.
...introduced by Ogiso Oriagba When?
...introduced by Ogiso Oriagba during his twenty-year rule I would be more precise: "..introduced by Ogiso Oriagba a generation/two generations/... before Ehenneden" or "...introduced by Ogiso Oriagba more than ten/twenty/... years before Ehenneden's ascension/coronation", or something similar.
... to maintain succession order Delete.
...connecting Benin Benin?
He expanded royal patronage for guilds, particularly among weavers, carvers, and traders, integrating them more formally into the kingdom's economy. I am not sure that I understand it. Be more specific.
This led to increased participation in skilled labour... Rephrase.
...organised a system for maintaining the palace's appearance Be more specific.
...accredited chiefs... Accredited?
The reign of Ogiso Ehenneden (1095–1110 AD) saw administrative stability and economic expansion. I think this is a repetition of information from the previous section.
His governance emphasised trade and craftsmanship. I think this is also a repetition of information from the previous section.
...the Ogiso market (modern-day Agbado market)... Where?
Link cowries.
Are Great Nobles the same as the Senior Nobles in the article about his father? If yes, the terminology should be consequent.
My concern is that the article about his father attributes the right of the ogibos' election to the Senior Nobles. The two articles should be synchronised in this respect. (Or did I miss something?) Borsoka (talk) 11:57, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
...establish local courts I would write "establish local law courts".
...established by Ogiso Oriagba Delete.
Ogiso Ehenneden died in 1110 without an heir, challenging the primogeniture system established by Ogiso Oriagba. His only son had predeceased him, leaving the Edionnisen responsible for determining his successor. The absence of a direct heir raised questions about succession continuity. I would restructure and radically shorten these sentences: 1. His only son dies. (Do we know his son's name?) 2. He dies which challenges the primogeniture system and restore the Edionnisen's right to select a heir.
...without a direct heir... Delete (repetition). Borsoka (talk) 11:16, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka Thanks for picking this up! All done. So, according to Aiguobarueghian 2020, pp. 393–394, let me quote: With this, the Enogie automatically became a member of the Ogiso’s Royal Council. Other members of this Council were the Edionnisen, the Ughoron and the Senior Nobles who are mainly from the Odibo-Evbo and Odibo-Ogbe groups. Like the Edionnisen, the membership of the Senior Nobles was not hereditary during the period of Ogiso Ere.
With this, no, the Edionnisen (Great nobles) is not the same as the Senior Nobles, but the both groups are a member of the Royal Council.
We do not know the son's name because he died in infancy. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:21, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka ping pong :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:37, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka I used "more than forty years" now. Yes "accredited", the sources says that, although what that means is that they're titled chiefs; a titled chief usually have certain rights/privileges within a kingdom.
The Great Nobles (Edionnisen) are not the Senior Nobles. Let me do some quotations from Omoregie 1997 p. 11 Senior Nobles could not choose Ogiso, so, the Edionnisen could not perform coronation rituals and confirm the choice. This complicated the work of the Edionnisen. Essentially, their work was to ensure that at any point in time, there as a king on the throne...
p.15 Three principal factors made the Edionnisen powerless. First, though they were called the Great nobles of the Royal Council, they only exercised the type of kingmaking rights that denied them the right to choose who was to be the king. The Senior Nobles made the choice while they only placed on the crown...
These were not during Ehenneden's rule, by the way, I'm just defining the roles of the two groups. Also, the Senior Nobles are hereditary, while the Edionnisen are not. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:23, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
Based on the two articles I still do not understand the exact rule of the two groups. The contradiction should be solved in some way. Borsoka (talk) 03:28, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka So, the Edionnisen had no political right to select a king prior to Ehenneden, it was only the Senior Nobales that do that, while the Edionnisen simply anoint the chosen one as king. But Ehenneden expanded their political right during his reign, allowing them to also select and not just crown/anoint the next king. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:38, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
In the lead, the term "Ogiso monarchy" is linked to Ogiso dynasty, but the lead also refers to the Oriagba and Ohuede dynasties. The relationship between the three dynasties is unclear for me. Borsoka (talk) 03:36, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka I have fixed that particular article, the issue was from that article as it was supposed to be called a monarchy and not a dynasty. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:49, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
If you look at the documentation of Template:Infobox royalty, you will see that "era name" could hardly be used in this article. I would delete it. Borsoka (talk) 15:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka Okay, done. Thank you! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:00, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Congratulations! This is a GA. Thank you for completing it. Borsoka (talk) 05:00, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

@Borsoka Thanks for your support, I hope you’re able to look at the subsequent Ogiso GANs :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)