# Talk:Cicuta

Here there is a mention of C. Maculata but in the Poison Hemlock article there is C. Maculatum. Which is right?24.83.178.11 09:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)BeeCier

In this article C. maculata stands for Cicuta maculata, but Poison Hemlock is Conium maculatum. They was earlier in the same genus, but later splitted into two genuses. So that's the reason, and they're two totaly diffrent species.
It's said here that Socrates died from drinking Cicuta, by what I have read he died from drinking a mixture from Poison Hemlock (Conium maculatum) and Opium Poppy (Papaver somniferum). Both is relaxaing the musclature (coniin and opium).
By what I have read death normally occours between one to two hours after intake of the plant. Consider that the plant material has to go through the digestive system, before the main part of the chemicals go into the bloodstream. And this is even slower in ruminants and horses, so I really have a strong doubt that livestock have died after 15 minutes after inntake.
Obscurus.Odius (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC). 

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cicuta/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Hi, I gave the article a once-over copyedit, and added a bunch of links. Please review the changes and revert back if you don't agree with them or if I've messed up the meaning of anything. I think the article looks pretty good, but I have some comments, quibbles and suggestions below. Sasata (talk) 05:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
lead

suggested wikilinks: poisonous plants
Done
capitalization of common names is inconsistent throughout article
Done
description

wlink/define mottled
Done
is there a type species for the genus?
Yes, added
"The alternate leaves are..." does "alternate" have a specific meaning in  botany
Yes, linked it, i.e. see picture
inconsistent Brit/Am. Eng. spelling usage (eg., characterized, centimetres)
Forced convert template to use US english
I would suggest leaving the first use of a unit in full, and then making the convert template abbreviate all instances after that, but it's your call. Sasata (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
metric & imperial conversions not used consistently
used convert template throughout
any possibility to add a photo of a full-sized plant?
The ones on commons aren't great or are not identified correctly, but added one of virosa, I'm not in the right place of the world to go and get a better one :)
link conium
Linked
taxonomy

"Carl Linnaeus formally described three species in 1753." what publication? Maybe it's available on Google Books and the article could link to the original Latin description?
Yes, first publishished in Species plantarum[1], cited it
link varieties
Linked, added the official varieties
Toxicity

wlink/define unsaturated; structurally
Linked
"Its primary toxic effect is to act as a non-competitive gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) antagonist in the central nervous system resulting in neuronal depolarization." Maybe this sentence could be expanded to two or three and explained in more layman's terms; even with the current links, it would be pretty tough going for the average reader
Expanded pharmacology a bit
"Cicutoxin is highly poisonous" Is it possible to give any data to substantiate this? Maybe an LD50 in mice with comparison to some other more well-known poisons?
Added LD50, The only LD50 for cicutoxin is in mice at 48.3 mg/kg IP, there are 3 other vaules (2 in cats and one in a frog), although they are LDLo values (checked both Sax and RTECS); compared with potassium cyanide at 5.9 mg/kg IP in mice and arsenic at 46.2 mg/kg IP, while sarin is 0.283 mg/kg IP in mice.
"Poisoning in livestock is common and typically occurs following ingestion of roots of the plant. " How would this happen, do cows dig up the roots?
They typically pull the plant out of the ground, expanded
I'd highly suggest making the prose in the Symptoms  and Diagnosis and treatment sections a little more newbie-friendly, many of the words used are medically technical and will be uncommon to the average reader. Maybe describe some of the terms in plain language, but pipe links back to the technical term.
changed symptoms to be more friendly (except the ECG changes which are kinda impossible to do)
"The anticonvulsant phenytoin is not recommended in water hemlock poisoning as it has not been shown to be effective for seizure control following this poisoning." slightly clunky repetition of poisoning
removed one poisoning
any phylogenetic analysis done on this genus?
a little, added some info but I'm no botanist/phylogeneticist(is that a word?) so may not have done justice to the cited paper
The changes look great, I'm happy to promote the article now. Nice work! Sasata (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS): 
Prose is clear and concise; article complies with MOS.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources): c(OR): 
Sources are reliable; article is well-cited.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
Covers all the important aspects of the genus.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
All images have appropriate free use licenses.
Overall:
Pass/Fail: 

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