# Talk:Garry Williams (gridiron football)

Please note that most publications being cited in this article are accessible through ProQuest if you happen to have access to it through a university or other library. Unfortunately, I'm unable to supply usable URLs because the URL given is specific only to my university. Please feel free to message me on my talk page if you would like access to a particular source for the purposes of verifying the content of this article. ~ RobTalk 06:30, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

A photo is need for this article, but through extensive searching, it appears no relevant free image exists. If anyone is able to take one (possibly by attending the team's practice?), that would be extremely helpful. ~ RobTalk 01:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm thinking the GA submission is premature.  Going from 'Start' to GA seems like a big leap.  I would suggest doing Peer Review and making improvements based on that before submitting to GA review. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 13:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Garry Williams (gridiron football)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 03:29, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

About to start the review, full disclosure I am aWiki Cup and a GA Cup participant. If anyone would like to reciprocate I have my own GAN (Mexican National Trios Championship) needing a review and a Feature Article (CMLL World Heavyweight Championship) and Feature List (Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship) candidates in need of input. Not that it's a factor in my GA review. I usually provide my feedback in portions over a day or so, so don't be surprised if I keep popping in with stuff for a while. 03:29, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


### GA Toolbox
So starting out with the obvious from the toolbox

Copyvio Detector
Oh bad - 86% confidence that there is a copyright violation and when I check the tool I agree, a large portion of test is lifted from a different website.
So this is an immediate GA review failure, large blocks of copyright violations. Please address the issues if you want to actually have a GA review in the future.

@MPJ-DK: Could you please take another look at this? That site took the text from Wikipedia, not the other way around. You can check the edit history and see that I wrote this in pieces over multiple days, with several copy-edits. More importantly, you can see that the site lifts other pages without attribution, such as [1] lifting [2]. It's a bit distressing to be told my writing isn't my own, and I'd rather not just throw this in the over 6 month queue after it was failed due to a mirror of Wikipedia. ~ RobTalk 05:26, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi @BU Rob13:, I will check out the edit history as you said and I'll poke around that website too. If I agree I will be more than happy to open the review up again for you.  MPJ-US  14:16, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
I am satisfied that this is not actually a copyedit. I will start my GA review of this. MPJ-US  15:24, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! ~ RobTalk 15:29, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


### GA Toolbox
I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

Peer review tool
Lead should be two paragraphs, even a short GA should really have that many paragraphs
 Semi-done I've expanded the lead a bit, and we'll see if more information can be included based on a search for info on Williams' personal life. There's not too much else to put in the lead without departing from summary style. ~ RobTalk 16:34, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Copyright violations Tool
We've already looked over the one that showed up at 86% and seen that it's the other way around.
No other issues Y
Disambiguation links
No issues Y
External links
Reference 15 is dead
Reference 22 is dead
 Done Archive URL for one, found the new URL of another (website changed their URLs without leaving redirects). ~ RobTalk 16:25, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


### Well Written
Overall not a lot of issues with the prose, just a few things
"While playing for the Carolina Panthers, Williams started games in 2010-2015, but various injuries kept him from consistently starting despite multiple opportunities." I know what you're trying to say, perhaps it should be "started several games between 2010 and 2015 but various injuries prevented him from becoming a regular starter despite multiple opportunities"?
 Done I reworded this a bit and split it into two sentences. I'm avoiding the use of "regular" because there were periods where he was designated the starter for reasons other than injuries to other players. I think "consistently" better gets across the fact that he started on-and-off. Either way, the awkward run-on sentence is fixed. ~ RobTalk 22:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
"at Seneca, and was ranked" does not need the comma
 Done Added a pronoun to make this a true compound sentence. ~ RobTalk 22:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
"Draft, but went" no need for the comma
 Done Comma removed. ~ RobTalk 22:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
No source for the Panthers not resigning him after he became a free agent.
 Done There's no citation that specifically says "He wasn't resigned" because sports news organizations generally don't report on the minor free agents who are not signed. I did add a citation from when he joined the Stamps that indicates he parted with the Panthers in 2015, which should be sufficient. ~ RobTalk 22:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


### Sources/verifiable
I am taking it as good faith that all the non-linked news sources exists
Linked articles look like news sources, have appropriate details Y


### Broad in coverage
No, it only covers his football career and nothing else, not even a hit of anything beyond that. I would like to see something more about Garry Williams the person, not just the football player. N
 Done I've added a personal life section with all the information I was able to find about his non-football activities from reliable sources. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot published on that particular area, but this should cover the "broad in scope" requirement. I have no illusions that it would meet the "comprehensive" criteria of FA, of course. ~ RobTalk 16:55, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


### Neutral
yes Y


### Stable
Pretty short history, nothing looks like stability is a problem Y


### Illustrated / Images
No, but not a deal breaker for GA


### Discussion
Please note that I added some information to the Calgary Stampeders section, since the 2015 season ended since I nominated the article. I've also  responded above to the first round of feedback. I look forward to additional rounds.  ~ RobTalk 16:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Glad you brought it up to date considering how long it sat nominated. and yes the personal life does make it broader in coverage, I just added a few comments but there is not a lot to fix, which is to your credit.  MPJ-US  20:54, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
@MPJ-DK: I've addressed the new comments. Cheers. ~ RobTalk 22:22, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
@BU Rob13: - I agree with all your changes, reading through it again I cannot find anything else to point out for the GA criteria. Congratulations I am passing it for GA.  MPJ-US  00:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)