# Talk:Doctor Who series 14

So following the recent move discussion close, the recommendation is that we need to move at least 26 classic Doctor Who pages to use Series rather than Season according to policy. Even though they have always been known as Season 1-26 as named by the BBC.  Twood36 (talk) 10:23, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with the ENGVAR weighting in the closing statement, but a no consensus outcome is nevertheless clear from the discussion, so I believe it's time to let this lie. U-Mos (talk) 11:49, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
The use of the word ‘Opinion’ in a fact based encyclopedia as a closing argument is also concerning as whilst I recognise it is a discussion - there was a lot of non-fact based arguments.  Wikipedia:Reliable sources
However I do agree that this might as well stay paused now until a new series is commissioned and then see if they do call it “Season 3” or not.  Twood36 (talk) 12:09, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
I agree that User:Beland has shown a very clear misunderstanding of ENGVAR in their closing statement, and may not be familiar with the topic in that they've closed, nor did they address any of the actual content within the RM; rather, they appear to have !supervoted with their own opinion. -- Alex_21 TALK 03:22, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
Well, that's why I said "appears" and not "is" and pointed out that the ENGVAR question is unresolved. I leave it to interested editors to research. -- Beland (talk) 07:03, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
The ENGVAR question is not unresolved. The correct usages are clear; you have simply super !voted with your own opinion on English variations, and not actually referred to any other !vote in the RM. Personally, I don't believe you actually read it. But that's the problem with administrators here these days. -- Alex_21 TALK 23:45, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
As much as it pains me, I also concur with waiting a bit before proposing this again. Perhaps even formal moratorium, if necessary to prevent any RM from being opened in the near future. Don't necessarily think it needs to be a commissioning, but at least a solid ~6+ months or so. I'm also inclined to wonder if it would be easier to separate series 14 and 15 into independent RM's next time (similar to how classic seasons 1 and 2 were separated from this RM), just to make the aspects (comparing sources, discussing opinions) clearer. I of course concur with Alex and U-Mos's comments on ENGVAR. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:11, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
I don’t see the reason to separate the RMs as it would double the discussion and the overall debate is over which series numbering system should be followed.  In the end this will come down to whether the Beeb stick with it in announcing a “Season Three” which might take 6 months away.  If that dosn't happen then these last two series’ will probably be remembered as 14/15 and the BBC might well eventually follow that number trend too.  Twood36 (talk) 12:36, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
I agree to let this lie for a while - but classic seasons 1-26 have always been referred to as "Seasons" in all UK sources (as I understand anyway) at least since Peter Haining's 25 Glorious Years Etron81 (talk) 21:34, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I agree to let it lie. I will, however, be saving the details of these dotpoints of mine for further discussion. -- Alex_21 TALK 03:22, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
If this British terminology isn't unique to Dr. Who, then perhaps Wiktionary needs updating. Wiktionary as currently written aligns with my personal experience, though perhaps someone saying "series" just stands out more than "season" because it's not what I'm used to. -- Beland (talk) 07:01, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
You're using Wiki's as your source? Woah. -- Alex_21 TALK 23:46, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
The Doctor Who Programme Guide Vol 1 published in 1981 by WH Allen and Target (UK publishers) uses "First Season", etc - that's the earliest reference I've found to Season (and I haven't found any references to "series" from the classic era - the 70s The Making of Doctor Who books don't use either - just a list of all the stories to that point - as does the 10th anniversary Radio Times issue Etron81 (talk) 23:05, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
Poking through the Radio Times listings of the first 5 Doctors, it appears that the start of each season was billed as the start of a "New Series." It's seems Jean-Marc Lofficier used "season" in the Programme Guide and that stuck through the subsequent WH Allen/Target/Virgin reference books, becoming the common term and then the BBC used it for their print and online episode guides, making it an official term Etron81 (talk) 01:59, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
I would also note that while there is no consensus to move the article to Season 2 (2025), there is no quotable lack of consensus to actually detail the season as such; i.e. we can detail it as Season 2 rather than Series 15 across Wikipedia, as the "no consensus" relates to the article title, not the article content. -- Alex_21 TALK 23:33, 29 September 2025 (UTC)