# Talk:Los Solidarios

I leave here the lyrics, as well as te translation,  to the song mentioned in the article, in case they're needed sometime:
Canción Homenaje a Los Solidarios
Historia de tres amigos/ De la dulce libertad:/ Si se hicieron anarquistas,/ No fue por casualidad./Buenaventura Durruti/ Ascaso y García Oliver/ Llamados Los Solidarios/ Que desprecian al Poder/Buscados y perseguidos/ Por el campo y la ciudad,/ Si acabaron en la cárcel,/ No fue por casualidad./Buenaventura Durruti/ Ascaso y García Oliver:/ Tres hojas de trébol negro/ Contra el viento del Poder./Siguiendo con su costumbre/ De burlar la Autoridad,/ Si cruzaron la frontera/ No fue por casualidad./Buenaventura Durruti/ Ascaso y García Oliver:/ La negra sombra del Pueblo/ Contra el brillo del Poder./Después de una temporada,/ Se volvieron para acá,/ Si temblaron los burgueses/ No fue por casualidad./Buenaventura Durruti/ Ascaso y García Oliver:/ Tres balas negras de plomo/Apuntando hacia el Poder/
Homage to “Los Solidarios”
The story of three friends, 
Of sweet freedom.
They became anarchists, 
But not by chance.
Buenaventura Durruti, 
Ascaso y García Oliver, 
Called “Los Solidarios”
Who despise Power.
Wanted and persecuted
In the city and in the country, 
They ended up in prison
But not by chance.
Buenaventura Durruti, 
Ascaso y García Oliver
Three Leaves of Black Clover
Against the wind of Power.
As always, 
They outwitted Authority.
They crossed the frontier, 
But not by chance.
Buenaventura Durruti, 
Ascaso y García Oliver, 
People’s black shadow, 
Opposite Power’s bright light.
Some time afterwards, 
They returned home,
Bourgeoise trembled,
But not by chance.
Buenaventura Durruti, 
Ascaso y García Oliver, 
Three black lead bullets,
Directed towards the Power.
Randomlychaotic (talk) 17:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Los Solidarios/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Grnrchst (talk · contribs) 12:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 08:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct: 

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation: 

Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline: 

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose): 

C. It contains no original research: 

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic: 

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style): 

Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each: 

Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute: 

Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content: 

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 

Image review

File:Salvador Segui (CNT).JPG: US PD tag is needed at Commons.
File:MartAnDic1925.jpg: US PD tag is needed.
File:Soldevila y Romero.jpg: could you add further details of the source (year of publication, editor, publisher, isbn, page)?
Could you add a map about Spain/Catalonia? Borsoka (talk) 08:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka: I've replaced the photographs of Seguí, Anido and Soldevila with ones that have clearer authorship and publication information, which should unambiguously show them in the public domain. I've also added a map of Catalonia within Spain, with the borders of the time. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Source review

Academic sources are cited.
Either name or delete the place of publication at each source.
Could you add oclc to each source?
Paz (2006): ISBN is missing. Borsoka (talk) 08:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka: I deleted the publication places and added oclc numbers. I think you missed the ISBN in the Paz citation, it's always been there. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Indeed. My eyes cheated me. Borsoka (talk) 02:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
References 7, 17, 68, 77 are verified.
...imprisoning and executing trade union organisers Does the source verify the term "union organisers"?
...half of all workers in Barcelona were affiliated to it; throughout the country, it counted 375,000 members at this time I think it is not fully verified by the cited source (it says that half of the workers in Catalonia (in total 375,000 workers) were affiliated to CNT.
...the former editor of Solidaridad Obrera who had recently been released from prison. Does the cited source verify the statement?
By the end of 1924, most members of Los Solidarios had either been killed in combat with the authorities, arrested or driven into exile. Los Solidarios effectively stopped functioning as a cohesive group until the proclamation of the Second Spanish Republic, when its surviving members were reunited. Does the cited source verify the statements? Borsoka (talk) 01:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
It said "workers" actually, I think I may have extrapolated a bit. Fixed.
The source says "The CNT was also expanding throughout the country, particularly in Barcelona, where the movement frightened the bourgeoisie. One of every two workers was affiliated with the Confederation, giving the organization a total of 375,000 adherents at the time." I think how I worded it is correct.
The cited source says that half of the workers were CNT members, your text refers to Barcelona in the same context. Borsoka (talk) 00:53, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka: Ok, corrected. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:04, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
Source says: "Among the fifty delegates present at the conference was Seguí's protege, Angel Pestaña, ex-editor of Solidaridad Obrera, now a union organizer of considerable standing within the CNT. Pestaña had been released from prison in April 1922, after having been arrested on his return to Spain from Russia in 1921."
Source says: "Many anarcho-syndicalist militants, particularly the members of the defense groups, either went underground or into exile to continue the struggle. The members of the Los Solidarios group, for example, played important parts in establishing the Committee for Revolutionary Co-ordination in France. This body organized the unsuccessful anti-Dictatorship operations at Vera de Bidasoa and the Ataranzas barracks in Barcelona on 6 November 1924, but could also take credit for the spectacular release of Francisco Ascaso from Zaragoza prison. With the death of many of its members in armed confrontations with the police and the army, the arrest of many others, and the dispersal of others into exile, the Los Solidarios ceased to exist as a cohesive group until 1931, when those comrades who survived were reunited under the Republic."
--Grnrchst (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Comments

I would mention that Catalonia is in Spain in the first sentence of the first section.
The government responded... Central or regional government?
Delink political repression.
Consider linking Labor movement in Spain to "organised working class"
Consider mentioning that Barcelona is the region's largest city.
Introduce Marseilles as a French port city/city.
...half of all workers... Could you add a number?
Introduce Donostia as a city in northwestern Spain/the Atlantic coast of Spain/...
A translation or explanation for the name Los Justicieros?
Introduce the pistoleros with two or three words.
... applied to ley de fugas to imprisoned workers Explain it with two or three words.
...but Buenacasa dissuaded them. Why?
...to assassinate King Alfonso XIII... I would make it clear that he was the Spanish king, because we have not been informed that Spain was a monarchy.
I would mention Spanish Morocco at the end of the first sentence in section "Founding".
Introduce Antonio Maura.
Mention that the Victoria Theatre is in Barcelona.
Introduce Liberto Callejas and Gregorio Jover (workers/...).
Explain the term "yellow syndicalism" with two or three words.
I would link the Catalan independence movement to the "independence of Catalonia".
...was edited by Ascaso Which of the two?
Introduce Tomás Herreros, Juan Manuel Molina and Joan Montseny, and other peoples first mentioned if possible.
Delink anti-militarism. Borsoka (talk) 09:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka: I think I've addressed all of these. Ping me if/when you have further notes. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Introduce Anido and Arlegui.
Could the use of the term "bourgeoisie" be avoided in the article? As I grew up in a country in the Soviet Block, I cannot regard it as a neutral term. Of course, if a sentence presents a leftist PoV, the term's use is quite natural: "Los Solidarios warned the conference that, despite the re-established peace, the bourgeoisie would continue their attacks against the working classes."
Los Solidarios discovered that the pistolero leader Ramón Laguía was hiding out in Manresa. The group suspected him of having murdered Seguí. Could the two sentences be consolidated?
Introduce A Coruna as a city in northwestern Spain/Galicia.
...Joan Rusiñol... Is "ñ" a letter in the Catalan alphabet?
At his trial, Ramón Mendizábal, the Basque trader Durruti had been accused of robbing, said he had not reported Durruti and declared his innocence to the judge. I do not understand.
At Durruti's trial, the Basque trader Ramón Mendizábal, who Durruti had been accused of robbing, declared Durruti to have been innocent of the crime against him. I still do not understand. Who accused whom
...until the end of the period of pistolerismo When?
..., who left for Valladolid the following week. Delete.
..., which they felt the need to confront in order to stop it Delete.
They held Archbishop Juan Soldevila, the head of the local pistoleros... Was he indeed the head of the pistoleros?
...the assassination's path of escape... Is this grammatical? Not assassins'?
A link to Xixón? Introduce it as a town (?) in Astúrias.
Introduce Inocencio Pina, Luis Muñoz and Antonio Mur.
Introduce  Garate, Anitua y Compañía as a firm/company/....
Introduce  Duro Felguera as a firm/company/....
A link to Civil Guard?
I would radically shorten the fourth paragraph of section "The Coup of 1923": in an encyclopedic article, we do not need a detailed information of a robery and its aftermath.
Avoid the use of informal terms like heist and ammo.
... the Picasso files... About what?
...to take control of the country... Rephrase.
Introduce and link PSOE. Borsoka (talk) 04:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Addressed most of these comments. Responding where I feel it necessary:
Paz doesn't specify the number of workers in Barcelona at the time, only that the CNT had 375,000 members and it organised one in every two Barcelona workers;
The use of "bourgeois" in Spanish literature is usually neutral, referring to a specific class dynamic in Catalonia (which was ruled by an industrial business-owner class, while most of Spain was predominantly ruled by the aristocracy). I've neutralised most cases to "business owners", which is more descriptive, leaving the one case you mentioned (with quotation marks);
Ahhh the "ñ" issue; it actually wasn't uncommon to use it in Catalan at the time (see the names of Santiago Rusiñol and Teresa Mañé) although it has quite definitively fallen out of favour over the past century;
Attempted to clarify the thing with the trial. It was a bit muddled. Let me know if further clarification is needed;
I misread the thing about Juan Soldevila, he actually provided pistoleros with the church's protection, I don't think he was operationally involved;
I've trimmed the robbery paragraph, but not sure about cutting it down much further. I'm happy to summarise, but I think some of the details are worth keeping.
--Grnrchst (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I rewrote the bit about Mendizábal again. Hopefully I clarified it better.
Corrected "assassination's" to "assassins'"
Changed remaining cases of "heist"
Clarified Picasso files.
--Grnrchst (talk) 14:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
After some time in the Garate warehouse,... Delete.
...and Catalan nationalists... Some context?
Introduce Poble-sec.
Introduce Puigcerda as a border town.
...remained at large I do not understand.
Introduce Senyera.
Why Perpinyá instead of Perpignan? Introduce it as a French border town.
For me, Northern Catalonia suggests a region in Spain. Is the town customarily introduced in English language literature as a place in Northern/French Catalonia? Borsoka (talk) 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm used to seeing it that way, although I can clarify it to "French Catalonia" to highlight its status as a region of France. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:05, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
...were arrested... By whom?
Link Spanish Republic to Second Spanish Republic.
There are terms linked more than one times. Fix the problem. Borsoka (talk) 02:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
The Catalan nationalists were allied with the anarchists at the time, I've attempted to clarify this.
The use of the Catalan "Perpinyà" is purely just because I'm used to seeing it written that way. I can change it if it's an issue.
--Grnrchst (talk) 13:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
(Lead): ...the rise of pistolerismo and yellow syndicalism. I would mention that both represented the interests of employers/business owners/...
(Lead): ...the assassination of CNT... Explain and link CNT (the same term can be linked in the lead and the main text).
(Lead): I would delete the adjective "reactionary" or make it clear that this was the Solidarios's PoV. Borsoka (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Done. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for this interesting and thoroughly researched article. It is a GA now. Borsoka (talk) 11:10, 11 January 2025 (UTC)