# Talk:Khalili Collection of Hajj and the Arts of Pilgrimage

Some redirects/additions/clarifications needed round here. Fortunate you have the expertise available! Johnbod (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Johnbod: Hi John, hope you're well. Thanks for taking a look at the article. Could you say a bit more about what changes you're recommending? kiswah and mahmal are introduced with sentence definitions in this article and I'm working on a draft explaining more fully what a Mahmal is. I seem to remember linking the concept of Amir al-hajj in an article, but that term doesn't seem to be in this article, unless I'm missing something. Can you give an example of where you'd like a clarification? MartinPoulter (talk) 13:53, 22 February 2021 (UTC) If the comment is about variant transliterations, I agree it's confusing to have both kiswa and kiswah etc. I'm just aiming for consistency with the sources I'm using, which might mean I use spellings that differ from wikilinked articles. Different legitimate sources differ in how they render the original words. MartinPoulter (talk) 15:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Khalili Collection of Hajj and the Arts of Pilgrimage/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Redtigerxyz (talk · contribs) 13:12, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks User:Redtigerxyz for this quick and helpful review. The document which has been used as a source for those two images and for the list of exhibitions has a CC-BY-SA 3.0 declaration at the foot. You're correct that the site as a whole is copyright by default, but this particular page has its own CC declaration. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention the "author profile". MartinPoulter (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Actually I was referring to the same declaration. By author profile (I understand it is confusing description), I meant Khalili's personal site [1]. For images, the lower resolution images on Khalili's personal site may be CC 3.0; the higher resolution on collections site are used in the article (which are "All rights reserved") - they should go by the VRT route, like the other images. I am okay to pass the article is without these 2 articles.
Please clarify what "text from a free content work" is incorporated. Please also address the citation tag.--Redtigerxyz  Talk  16:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
The bullet-point list of exhibitions is taken from the source work. Here's an Earwig comparison of the documents. I've resolved the citation issue by bringing the text closer in line with the citation. The two images now have the correct OTRS template. I was remiss in uploading higher resolution versions without updating the licence statement, so thanks for drawing my attention to that. MartinPoulter (talk) 10:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks again User:Redtigerxyz. You've clearly been very careful and it's much appreciated. MartinPoulter (talk) 18:02, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Ravenpuff, can you explain why you moved this article without seeking any discussion, to a name that isn't used in any sources? This is already an article that's been heavily reviewed, not like it's some new stub that might be mistitled. As you can see from the official site, the article "the" is not used before "hajj" in the name. It's referred to on that page as "The Nasser D. Khalili Collection of Hajj and The Arts of pilgrimage" or "The Hajj and the Arts of Pilgrimage Collection" - note the emphasis. See this page about a catalogue referring to the collection with "The Khalili Collection of Hajj and the Arts of Pilgrimage comprises some 5,000 objects covering all aspects of Hajj,..." See also this remark from the chair of Sotheby's. Surely naming things what they are called is important, and surely a decision like this should not be made unilaterally. MartinPoulter (talk) 13:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Very grateful for your quick response to this @Ravenpuff - great work! MartinPoulter (talk) 15:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
@MartinPoulter: Sorry, I never ended up replying to this. I didn't come across the use of the collection's official name on the website at first, so I thought the title was ungrammatical, but now that you pointed it out I was happy to move the page back. Thanks! — RAVENPVFF · talk · 23:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)