# Talk:Justin Yu

fractal recently won the inaugural DAS-only jonas cup event at the portland retro gaming expo [where the world championship used to be held], a historic achievement. its a deeply celebrated outcome for a very special event 72.0.177.41 (talk) 02:09, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done ~ Johnson524 02:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

When people in the Tetris community talk about, or to Fractal, nobody refers to him as Justin, or, only rarely when introducing him in a YouTube video.. In this talk page I use the name "Fractal", because it would honestly be impolite to do so otherwise. All his social accounts go by "Fractal". To refer to him as Justin Yu, like on a Wikipedia page is just poor manners. Not only that, it doesn't follow Wikipedia's policy of using common names. We don't default to the government name of living people, we use the name they actually go by in the field they're known for. This is true for pen names (J.K Rowling), stage names (Marylin Monroe), ring names (Hulk Hogan), and yes, gamertags, like with Faker and Turbopolsa. Using their government names violates Wikipedia policy, prior precedent and its just kinda weird. Stolenshortsword (talk) 09:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

See Talk:Willis Gibson#move page to Blue Scuti for centralized discussion. Johnson524 02:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

there's a draft for a more accurate and useful table at my sandbox. 
@Johnson524 pinging for feedback, as you are the original author. DK-ZERO (talk) 09:25, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

@DK-ZERO: Ooo I like the concept! I'll continue the conversation on your sandbox's talk page. Cheers! Johnson524 02:16, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
If aggregation sites were better, we could probably have had nice, year-based tables like what golfer articles have. I’m a bit worried that the tables we have now contain too much trivial information. 3df (talk) 03:15, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
@DK-ZERO: Oh I suppose I'll just comment here 🙂 I like the table, but even more-so like the fact that someone else cares about the table! For a little bit of history, I created all five of the articles that exist for current competitive Tetris players (which I truly loved doing), but in doing so, I had nothing to base the competitive tables off of, so I kind of made up their style as I went. I love that there can finally be a discussion about them to make them the best they can be. Adding on to 3df's comment about some info potentially being trivial, however, here is my personal breakdown of the improved table:
Support:
Oppose:
If you are fine with not implementing these opposes, I would be more than happy to start using this updated competitive record table moving forward. Thank you for your work and I'm looking forward to seeing what you think, cheers! Johnson524 04:53, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
thank you again @Johnson524 for your considerable feedback!
this is giving me confidence to finally polish this rough draft after not touching the idea for a month.
1) Liquipedia is the place people from CTWC stats team like Marfram use to directly input their data. that being said, if it doesn't, or cannot per it's wiki nature, meet standards to qualify as "further reading" then it shall not be mentioned.
2) lead has been re-written. Is this making the tables aim clear now?
3) the bye column (and size and seed) is a result of me being confused whilst proofreading the table we currently have. seems to be very relevant for interpreting the score. eg Fractal played both "CTM Masters" and "CTM DAS Masters" in March 2025. both times with a score of "3-1" and versus a bracket size of 32. yet he finished 2nd for Masters and 3rd-4th for DAS Masters. this is confusing and looks like an editor's error without knowledge of number of byes awarded.
4) the centering is merely an artifact of me not knowing how to format a table, although it looks fine to me like that too.
5) agree, all prior use of YouTube as a ref has since been replaced by their corresponding entry at tetrisinterest. DK-ZERO (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
@DK-ZERO: I'm glad we're in the same boat about YouTube, and I'll have to agree for the reasons previously stated Liquipedia that should also not be used. The final things I think should be changed before rolling out the updated tables are:
1. Rather than having to explain using multiple sentences why the "bye" column is useful only occasional times, just don't include the column at all. As opposed to the addition of the "size" and "seed" columns which I think are fantastic additions, I still believe "bye" is the easily least useful column for aiding readers understanding of each competition.
2. The line "It is aiming to be complete within the limits of its definition only." is redundant to the first sentence and should be removed.
3. For the same reasons that text automatically floats left in thumb images, I believe the "Tournament" column should float left rather than centered for readability.
4. Lastly, what would you think of this as the new section lead?

Cheers! Johnson524 16:05, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
1) removed the second paragraph, as in-depth elaborating on the tournament structure ought to be done at the CTWC article itself.
still, there should either just be a bye column, or a notice pointing out that byes may exist and thus affect number of rounds played, which affects how score relates to placing.
another example of bye column being helpful to understanding: Andy won both "CTM Masters" and "CTM DAS Masters" in June 2025, both size 32, the former 5-0, the latter 4-0. (looks like a typo but isn't, byes are to be factored in) (fun fact: the Andy article actually did have both as 4-0 and no one noticed...)
2) removed it is.
3) don't know how to format it such that only the "Tournament" column floats left. can you do that for me?
4) edited my draft's section lead, incorporating your suggestion, but instead of "and other CTM events" keeping "[...] semifinals in other CTWC or CTM events". as that's what my table actually shows. excluding the bloat of the many CTM tournament runs failing to make 3rd-4th easily cuts the table volume by half. keeping it essential to the reader and reducing upkeep to the editor. DK-ZERO (talk) 18:06, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Okay @DK-ZERO: I've implemented some manual of style changes so that the table AND section lead both look good to go, amazing work on your part too! 🙂 The truly last thing is the "bye" column: I still don't believe it's important enough to be included. Good catch on catching the Andy mistake, but I just don't think its helpful outside of those few cases, whereas the other column are helpful in every case. Are you completely against removing it? Cheers! Johnson524 14:26, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
well my bias is such that it's helpful to me. both when it comes to interpreting the table and as a fail-safe when inputting new results. the obvious solution to our stalemate would be to just ask other people for their opinion. how about that? @Johnson524
ps. my motivation for making a new table was noticing some scores that felt erroneous, looking into the matter, and finding more to the point of it justifying starting from scratch, and being extra cautious about any sources of error or misunderstanding. DK-ZERO (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
@DK-ZERO: Sounds good to me! The only other frequent Tetris article editor is @3df, so I'd love to hear what they think. Otherwise though, if you'd like to find more people to weigh in I'd have no problem with that 🙂 Cheers! Johnson524 17:25, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
Rather than a column, I would recommend a footnote on each score where a bye occurred. 3df (talk) 18:01, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
ty @3df, that's a great idea! but how to implement? feel free to just edit my sandbox. DK-ZERO (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
I was thinking {{efn}}, but the daggers (†‡) would also work! 3df (talk) 18:26, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
ty too @Johnson524, made a quick and dirty attempt at implementing this myself.
daggers was what some sumo article had. seems neat to me, naturally ideographic. DK-ZERO (talk) 18:30, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
@DK-ZERO: Ooo I think that sounds like a great compromise! Support. Cheers! Johnson524 21:31, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
tweaked some more details and will let it ponder some more, but should be ready to be implemented as of now, thanks again to the both of you!
PS. if all good, updated tables for Alex, Andy, Dog & Scuti (and Jonas!) could be rolled out hopefully within a week's time! DK-ZERO (talk) 11:42, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
@DK-ZERO: That sounds great, thank you very much for your work! Johnson524 13:51, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
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