# Talk:Lonsdale Belt

By, editing the page concerning retained Lonsdale belts, I have just added the fact that my father, Johnny Brown, won the Bantamweight Lonsdale Belt outright in 1925.  He defeated the champion, Bugler Lake, on 26 November 1923, winning Lake's European and British Empire titles at the same time.  Johnny Brown then defended his British title successfully against Harry Corbett on 23 March 1925 and against Mick Hill on 19 October 1925, to win the belt outright.  What is more interesting is the fact that the belt my Dad won, now in my possession, is the original bantamweight belt first won by Digger Stanley and presented to him by the Earl of Lonsdale when he won it outright in 1913.  The National Sporting Club re-acquired it from Stanley's widow after his death.  The NSC reissued the belt to Bugler Lake when he won the British title in 1923, then to Johnny Brown when he defeated Lake.
I am in possession of letters from the National Sporting Club, dated April and May 1964, certifying the above facts and signed by its Chairman of that time, later to become Lord Forte.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.115.201.62 (talk) 23:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC) 

I am looking at expanding this article with more detail about the origins of the Lonsdale Belt, more citations in general and more information about current holders. The draft is being developed at User:Okeeffemarc/lonsdalebeltDraft. Anyone interested are encouraged to take a look, and if they desire, add to it. regards, Okeeffemarc (talk) 01:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 Done But will continue to find more outright winners of the belt. All NSC Lonsdale outright winners now added. Will be back soon to add remaining BBBofC outright winners soonOkeeffemarc (talk) 20:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lonsdale Belt/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 20:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Will take a look at this, will post review in the next day or so. Kosack (talk) 20:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Just in the process of completing the outright winners section. been away working recently. Okeeffemarc (talk) 23:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Here's my initial review


### Lead
I think the opening may need rewording slightly. If Lord Lonsdale Challenge Belt is the official title, then open with that. I would say "The Lord Lonsdale Challenge Belt, commonly known as the Lonsdale Belt, ..." would be more suitable. The Challenge Belt title can be mentioned further on.  Done
In at the start of the final sentence needs a capital letter.  Done
Could the lead be expanded? Brief mentions of  longest reigning, most reigns, first champion, etc.  Done (added a brief couple of sentences, wary of repeating myself too much in the article, please advise if you feel it needs more)


### The National Sporting Club
Link Lord Lonsdale to the relevant person.  Done
Should champion be capitalised? Not in this context, so corrected
Final sentence of the first paragraph is unsourced.  Done
"the NSC British Lightweight title 8 November 1909" insert on before the date.  Done


### First holders of NSC Challenge belts
Insert a space between each flag and the name of the fighter, looks a bit squashed together at the moment. Done


### First holders of the B.B.B.of.C. Lonsdale belt
Again, use a space between fighter and flag for this table and the current holders table below. Done


### Changes
Excerpt doesn't need to be capitalised. Done


### Theft
"Bobby Vanzie Come home to Bradford" , sentence needa rewording. Done
In McAteer's entry, sons > son's. Done


### Outright winner
Capitalise Lonsdale in the image caption. Done
Is unnecessary capitalised in the first sentence. Done


### 2 time outright winners of Lonsdale Belt
Spacing between fighter and flag in table and table below. Done


### See Also
Bettinson, Boxing Board of Control and National Sporting Club are all linked in the article so don't need to be included here. Done
Is there a more centralised list or overview page of British boxing champions rather than having so many pages linked? Have taken them out of the section, as they are already in the Nav Section at the bottom of the page.


### References
Refs 1, 16has author - John Harding, 21 Done, 24No author cited by the BBC, but it is a reputable source, 27 BoxRec don't publish source names but is the official professional boxing record keeper, 28 Done, 32No Author cited but reputable news source, 33 Done, 37 Done, 43 Done, 44 Done, 47No Author cited but reputable news source, 55 Done, 62 Done, 66 Done, 83 Done, 86 Done, 98 Done, 99 Done, 100 Done, 114 Done, 118 Done, 129 Done,  133 Done, 134, 138, 141, 144, 145, 149, 152 and 153 need an author.  -  All  Done
In Ref 6, I'm assuming Welsh and Summers are surnames so they would need capital letters.  Done
Can we find an ISBN for ref 9? 9 is a BoxRec Record. 10 doesn't have an ISBN due to it's age
Avoid using all capitals as in refs 29, 73, 113, 115, 122, 128, 143, even if the reference does the same, per WP:ALLCAPS. all  Done
Ref 34 is a dead link. works for me, goes straight to the website. Can find an alternative if you still can't access
Ref 35 needs an access date.  Done
Ref 38, Ilford Recorder is the name of the paper, so Recorder needs a capital letter. Done
Same for Wales Online in ref 44, Telegraph in ref 77 and Liverpool Echo in ref 93.  Done
Ref 53 uses a different format accessdate to all other refs, maintain one style for consistency. Done
Ref 85 has a broken link for the publisher. Done
The Free Library in ref 108 is only a recreation of material originally published in the Coventry Evening Telegraph. So the Telegraph needs to be listed as the publisher and the Free Library included with the via= field. Done
Sorry it took slightly longer than I expected. Placed on hold. Kosack (talk) 08:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


### Reply
Good afternoon @Kosack:, no worries, thanks for taking the time to give it all a thorough look. I have amended your post ticking off or commenting on your corrections. Please let me know what you think.
Kind regards, Okeeffemarc (talk) 20:04, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


### Follow up review
#### Origin
Should original be capitalised in the image caption? No so have changed
"A total of 22 Lonsdale belts were issued by the NSC, and of these 20 were won outright.", need a ref for this sentence as it's the end of the paragraph.  Done


#### Outright winners of Lonsdale Belt
I went to correct Charlie Magri and Carl Johansson's entries as they used lower case for the fighters name but noticed that you were deliberately piping the link to that. Is there a reason for that? No just missed that! Lots of data entry gives you snow blindness. Corrected now.


#### References
Ref 35 (from SuperSport.com) is the dead link, either a ref was added in between the review or I wrote down the wrong one. Does it work for you? No, they must have ditched the article. have replaced with another source.
@Okeeffemarc: Nice work with the fixes, just a couple of minor issues above and I think this one will be ready for promotion. Kosack (talk) 12:29, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


### Reply
@Kosack: All done. Thanks very much  Okeeffemarc (talk) 15:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@Okeeffemarc: A nice piece of work that meets the required GA criteria in my opinion, promoting. Kosack (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Wrestlers?
When were Lonsdale wrestling belts introduced? 
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30084427  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.113.52 (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC) 


### reply
hi 188.146.113.52, Arthur Frederick Bettinson sanctioned the National Sporting Club to hold wrestling competitions between 1908-1910. The linked Arthur Frederick Bettinson article covers this.
kind regards, Okeeffemarc (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2019 (UTC)