# Talk:HMS Powerful (1895)

The article suggests this ship was laid up but I have found a couple of sources suggesting she was active in 1908 and in fact "flagship of the of the Royal Navy squadron on the Australian station" - eg [1] [2] and [3] . Have I the same ship?--Matilda talk 05:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

copied from talk page of User:Matilda Most likely the same ship, but unfortunately there's little I can offer to shed light on her Australian career.  What the sources seem to agree on is that she was reduced to the reserve in 1904 and was a training ship by 1912.  It's quite possible that in this gap she was reactivated to serve as the Australian station's flagship, but unfortunately my sources don't mention this, nor do the on-line ones I can find.  But this shouldn't rule out the likelihood that this is in fact what happened, but rather a gap in the sources.  Kind regards, Benea (talk) 16:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


### From various sources - work in progress to fill in the details
BOER WAR
1899 25-Nov  	The Naval Brigade from HMS Powerful, flagship of the Australia Station, fought in the Battle of Graspan against the Boers in South Africa.
1900 6-Jan  The Naval Brigade from HMS Powerful repulsed a strong Boer attack at Ladysmith, South Africa.
1900 30-Oct The Naval Brigade of HMS Powerful attacked Boer positions at Lombards Kop, Ladysmith, South Africa.
from http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~ausnavy/Military%20Action.htm
Australian Naval History on 31 December 1907
VADM Sir Richard Poore, Bt, KCB, CVO, was appointed Flag Officer Commanding Australia Station. His flagship was HMS POWERFUL.
from http://www.navyhistory.org.au/tag/australia-station/
Australian Naval History on 31 December 1910
VADM Sir George F. King-Hall, KCB, CVO, was appointed Flag Officer Commanding Australia Station. His flagships were HM Ships POWERFUL, DRAKE, and CAMBRIAN.
from http://www.navyhistory.org.au/tag/hms-powerful-aust-station/
Australia Station as at 1905
The Australian Squadron commanded by Sir Arthur D. Fanshawe KCB, then comprised HMS POWERFUL (Flagship – 14,200 tons)
from http://www.navy.gov.au/spc/history/ships/pioneer.html
Amongst the 114 documents found for Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies - Halsey family papers re ships served on:
Lionel Halsey, HMS Agincourt, Mediterranean Station, 1887, HMS Triumph, Cape Station, 1888-9, HMS Raleigh, Cape Station, 1889-91, HMS Mercury, China Station, 1892-3, HMS Ramillies, Mediterranean Station, 1893-4, HMS Crescent, North America and West Indies Station, 1895-6, HMS Crescent, North America and West Indies Station, 1896-7, HMS Powerful, North America and West Indies Station, 1897-1900, HMS Diana, Mediterranean Station, 1901-2, HMS Good Hope, Cruiser Squadron, 1902-4, HMS Powerful, Australia Station, 1905-8, HMS New Zealand, a Commonwealth & Empire tour and Baltic patrol, 1913-15, HMS Iron Duke, Baltic patrol, 1915-16, HMAS Australia, Baltic patrol, 1918, HMS Renown, on world tours with the Prince of Wales, 1920, 1921-2, 1925;
from http://www.centres.ex.ac.uk/cmhs/ELMAP/location.php?loc_id=39
Image held by Australian War memorial
SYDNEY, NSW. 1905-1910. THE FIRST CLASS PROTECTED CRUISER HMS POWERFUL (LEFT) AND THE SECOND CLASS PROTECTED CRUISERS HMS ENCOUNTER (CENTRE) AND HMS CAMBRIAN, ALL OF THE IMPERIAL SQUADRON ON THE AUSTRALIA STATION. (NAVAL HISTORICAL COLLECTION)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.cs-pa-http%25253A%25252F%25252Fcas.awm.gov.au%25252Fphotograph%25252F304248
Image (State Library NSW) good image of ship
Sailors on deck of four-funnel cruiser HMS Powerful, Australian Squadron, Sydney Harbour
from http://nla.gov.au/nla.cs-pa-HTTP%253A%252F%252FLIBAPP.SL.NSW.GOV.AU%252FCGI-BIN%252FSPYDUS%252FENQ%252FPM%252FFULL1%253F152671%252CI
Discussion on postcards of Sydney
I am quite confident that the heavy ship (4 funnels) is the 1st class protected cruiser HMS Powerful.
HMS Powerful 1st class protected cruiser
Flagship of the Australian Squadron
Complement 894
Launched: 1895
Length: 500 feet
Beam: 71 feet
Draught: 27 feet
Displacement: 14,200 tons
Speed: 22 knots (design speed)
Machinery 4 cylinder VTE multiple expansion
Horsepower 25,000 hp forced draught
Armament: 2 x 9.2-inch guns
12 x 6-inch guns
16 x 12-pounder QF guns
12 x 3-pounder QF guns
4 x 18-inch torpedo tubes
Armour: 2-6 in deck
6 in barbettes
HMS Powerful protected cruiser 1st class
Launched 1895
Served China Station
Served in Boer War 1899
Refit 1902 - 1904
Australia Squadron 1905-1911 (flagship for unknown part of that time, but carrying the pennant of Sir Arthur D. Fanshawe KCB in 1905). Some sources list the vessel as in reserve during this period, but from the photographic evidence and service histories here in Australia, there is no doubt that the vessel was in Australian waters. It was the case during this period that warships not considered to be of the first rank were sent to serve on quiet stations like Australia
Returned UK, partially disarmed and used for harbour service from 1912
Served as accommodation and training ship in WWI
Renamed HMS Impregnable 1919 and continued as training ship (Plymouth)
Disposed 1929
Relying solely on the names of vessels in the historical record is an unreliable technique. Both merchant and naval vessels change their names. I think there have been at least four or five HMS Powerfuls (the last an aircraft carrier?). I would, however, be very surprised if HMS Powerful the protected cruiser 1st class, or a vessel carrying the same name, was at Jutland. By 1904, HMS Powerful (and sister ship HMS Terrible) was considered to be of limited fighting quality and assigned to secondary duties. I can find no listing of a ship of that name in the order of battle at Jutland.
Regarding RN ship lists. Perhaps what you seek is in the National Maritime Museum Research Guide for the Royal Navy:
‘Ship lists and movements
Navy List 1782–present
The official Navy List shows Royal Navy ships, their commanders and officers, coastguard vessels, hired vessels and packet ships. Early-19th century volumes also list French, Spanish and American ships taken during the Napoleonic Wars and British ships lost, captured or destroyed.’
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.584

from http://oneguyfrombarlick.co.uk/forum_topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=7626&FORUM_ID=94&CAT_ID=15&Forum_Title=Royal+Navy&Topic_Title=Warships
Work in progress to fill in the gaps of the ship's career--Matilda talk 20:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 06:17, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

This article is in good shape. A few comments:

suggest nmi be in full
suggest RN in full with RN in parentheses after
what sort of armour was used on the barbettes?
what was the outcome of the mutiny?
No further information.
where did the 4.7" guns come from?
Not specified, but probably other ships in harbour
were the 12-pounders Lambton acquired his own demountable 8-cwt guns?
I've been wondering about that, but nothing specific is stated
perhaps the "RN field gun competition"
"Powerful paid off on 8 June 1900"
drop initial cap on Flagship and link
Linked in the lede.
images are fine.
That's me done. Nice job. Placing on hold for the above to be addressed. Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 06:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the review.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:56, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
This article is well-written, verifiable using reliable sources, covers the subject well, is neutral and stable, contains no plagiarism, and is illustrated by appropriately licensed images with appropriate captions. Passing. Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 03:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)