# Talk:Des Moines speech

The article has: '"[n]o person with a sense of the dignity of mankind can condone" the Holocaust'. 'Holocaust' is outside the quotation and was not a word used at the time in this connection, so what did he actually say? I think the precise words would be useful.  -- Robina Fox (talk) 16:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I just edited it to say "the persecution of the Jews in Germany", which is closer to what Lindbergh actually said (he just uses the word "persecution"). Indeed, not only was the word not used in any sense before the war, even in 1941 the idea that the Germans would initiate a full-scale program of mass murder against all Jewish people in Europe still seemed far-fetched to many people outside the Nazi Party, even in Allied countries. Daniel Case (talk) 21:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
If he says the word persecution, why not just use that? I think it's significant that he says that of persecution broadly, and not specifically the Nazi persecution of Jews, and that the article reader would want to know that. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 23:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Not really worth mentioning in the article, but the date Lindbergh gave this speech is just more confirmation for me that, notwithstanding the most obvious reason, the 254th day of a normal year (255th in leap years) is the absolute worst on the American calendar. Daniel Case (talk) 21:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)