# Talk:Hard rock

Just wondering, is there a reason the opening sentence of the lead doesn't mention the term "heavy rock"? We currently include Hard rock on the disambiguation page for the term "Heavy rock", and this article contains a few mentions of heavy rock – such as when discussing the Jeff Beck Group's contribution to the genre ("In 1967, Jeff Beck brought lead guitar to new heights of technical virtuosity and moved blues rock in the direction of heavy rock"), and the Who's 1971 album Who's Next ("which mixed heavy rock with extensive use of synthesizers"). I've always understood the two terms to be interchangeable, although, I appreciate we'd need a source verifying that if the term was introduced here as an alternative to hard rock. JG66 (talk) 12:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
I have made perfectly legit corrections, only to have someone repeatedly delete them and threaten me with blocking. I can't help if someone is standing on a soapbox while knowing next to nothing about this subject. I simply corrected the article referring incorrectly to Europe and MSG as being 1970s acts. Tellingly, the lastest time this person deleted my small change, they didn't repeat the errors in the article. So just so everyone knows, this page belongs exclusively to some 27 year old, and only they may alter it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:CB03:8D00:996B:2879:2F15:79AC (talk) 04:37, 30 November 2019 (UTC) 

Why isn't Bo Diddley mentioned as a pioneer of hard rock?
Who Do You Love is pretty close, IMO, to the hard rock concept.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelBauers (talk • contribs) 22:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC) 

Forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask, but right now the link to "Cream" leads to the page for the substance, shouldn't it be changed to direct to the band which I assume is what I's supposed to be talking about? Unless milkfat has had a more robust effect on culture than I previously thought in which case carry on.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.169.215 (talk) 07:01, 14 January 2021 (UTC) 

I do not believe the Heavy metal template belongs here.  Hard rock is not a Heavy metal genre.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.54.195.214 (talk) 00:03, 14 February 2021 (UTC) 

Why are those four bands mentioned in the introduction? They don't have anything to do with hard rock (and are not even listed as such in the infoboxes on their Wiki pages)? I have been listening to hard rock music for almost two decades and have never heard anyone mentioning any of those four band in the context of hard rock. StjepanHR (talk) 01:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

The page currently says "Some of the earliest hard rock music was produced by the Kinks, the Who, the Rolling Stones, the Yardbirds, Cream and the Jimi Hendrix Experience" and then, in the info section, we have the cultural origins "Mid-1960s, United States and United Kingdom", but the only American here seems to be Jimi Hendrix. So, it seems to me, from the examples, although I am really unfamiliar with the origins of this genre, that hard rock was mainly developed by British bands and musicians, although Americans also played a role. Of course, Jimi Hendrix is one of the greatest (and, by the way, my favourite of all of these), but it seems to me that the info section is a bit biased by putting "Mid-1960s, United States and United Kingdom" rather than "Mid-1960s, United Kingdom and United States". Maybe someone can clarify and provide examples of American hard rock bands that came before those mentioned, like The Kinks or The Who. My point is: why should US come before UK if most bands and musicians (2 of the Jimi Hendrix Experience were also Bristih) that pioneered the genre are from the UK? Note that I am neither British nor American, so I am quite unbiased in this topic.

I agree that British bands were much more important for the creation of the genre than the US ones. American artists certainly had an influece on those British artists, but they were mostly electric blues musicians from the 50s and surf rock/rock n' roll guitar players like Dick Dale or Link Wray. None of them would fit even remotely into what was later known as "hard rock". The only really well-known US (proto-)hard rock song I can think of right now from pre-1966 period would be The Kingsmen's version of Louie Louie. This article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music_before_1970#Songs ) lists several American early songs, but they are more in line with proto-proto-hard rock than anything similar to the late 60s developments in the genre. On the other hand, UK had such famous bands like those you have listed above.StjepanHR (talk) 13:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

CCR should be listed as a late 60's hard rock band. They were reviewed as such and it's obvious when you listen to their work. [1]https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/bayou-country-86757/
[2]https://gistbuzz.com.ng/creedence-clearwater-revival-didnt-just-define-hard-rock-they-pushed-its-boundaries-with-their-thunderous-riffs-pounding-drums-and-wailing-vocals-they-created-some-of-the-heaviest/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIr9ZNleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHS2iVlBSmI5Eszx-nF9RSfuCUQ52O-aPK3_POkIiucXRFcnTQlcz0cKWZg_aem_-EMB_mD7hl2XxgWKhAIXhw VoteTalk (talk) 13:39, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

CCR should be listed as a late 60's hard rock band. They were reviewed as such and it's obvious when you listen to their work. [3]https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/bayou-country-86757/ VoteTalk (talk) 04:41, 2 March 2025 (UTC)