# Talk:Lisa (Japanese musician, born 1987)

The above was so well argued that I thought of adding it as an example at WP:NCPDAB, but the situation is already well covered there. Andrewa (talk) 16:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Andrewa, I actually agree that an example such as this should be added there, considering that WP:NCPDAB seems to not include information about capitalization stylization of names as disambiguators. Granted, though, it may need consensus formed on the Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people) page, but it seems rather cut and dry to me. Steel1943 (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Unconvinced... WP:NCPDAB seems clear to me as is, and I'm wary of instruction creep, there's so much out there already to read (see WP:creed#bold). But raise it by all means on WT:Naming conventions (people), that's the place for it. Andrewa (talk) 17:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
@Andrewa: Fair enough. As the saying goes: If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Steel1943 (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Support renaming to LiSA (Risa Oribe) I support for one reason: To avoid some confusion and to make it a bit simpler. (ROBLOXGamingDavid (talk) 12:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC))
The "Lisa" listing is only going to get more crowded in the future. As long as the sub-description lists her as as Japanese singer, readers will be able to find her. The birth year specification has the potential to get tricky, too. LiSA (Risa Oribe) will future-proof her page against confusion, or any future name shift like (example) T.M.Revolution going back to his original name. So I'm in support of this, too.--GimmeChoco44 (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
It's already crowded, but Lisa is the common name for the performer for most of her career. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:23, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Should the article's Musical style and influences section be restored to what it was at this edit, or should it remain in its current state? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

We discussed this over on Discord chat for a bit. As I said there, I think a lot of the content that was removed should be restored. I do think some paragraphs should be trimmed or even removed. For example, in the old version of the article, I think the last paragraph of "Musical styles" should probably be removed outright, and the two paragraphs that precede it should be significantly trimmed and probably rewritten. There is indeed a lot of use of interviews, but that's fine. Just try to describe LiSA moreso than copying how she describes her own songs. That being said, I think the first paragraph of the "Career" section was vastly better before Drmies trimmed it, so it goes both ways. Lastly, and probably trivially, I think "After moving to Tokyo" looks better than simply "In Tokyo". ~Mable (chat) 11:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
I, uhm, was just reminded that WP:CANVAS may apply to my comment above, so... I'm not sure what to do about that. I'd like to hear more opinions, anyway... ~Mable (chat) 11:23, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Discord and other back-channels should not be used for determining WP article content, or other matters here.  We have talk pages for a reason.  See also WP:FACTION, WP:SHAMCON, WP:MEAT, WP:NOT#ADVOCACY, etc., etc.  Transparency is important here, and trust erodes when there's any perception of a clique exerting control over article content. I've seen pretty nasty messes arise from that, despite good intentions.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  13:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
I am fully aware about the transparency issues. I hope my two cents came through without being too distorted, and I won't be involved in this discussion much further. I hope such a thing won't happen again, of course. ~Mable (chat) 13:31, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree with tweaking the paragraphs based on the original. The influences paragraph is fine, but it'd be good to know what kind of voice she has when she sings as with Kelly Clarkson#Voice and musical style and Taylor Swift#Artistry, the latter of which covers influences, musical style, and song writing. Does she have a vast vocal range or use a lot of production in her singles? The stuff about the colors is more of a theme and could go under the songwriting paragraph. Describing her own songs is okay but it can be detailed in the appropriate album or single articles if available. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:59, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
I tend to agree with most of what Maplestrip amd AngusWOOF are saying, other than an over-reliance on, or over-reporting of the details of, interview materials isn't appropriate.  WP:ABOUTSELF and WP:PRIMARYSOURCE have pretty strict limits in actual practice.  It's good for who an artists' claimed influences have been, and what their artistic intent is – but the latter should be well within WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE bounds; WP isn't a blog for expounding on an artists' inspirations, or the trivial details of particular works.  Self-sourcing is not usuable for musical styles, genre classifications, vocal range (especially in the age of Autotune!), etc.; that's all analysis – which must come from independent, reliable sources.  PS: I agree "After moving to Tokyo" is more informative (in at least two ways).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  13:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hello. I'm japanese and please forgive my poor English.
「better known by her stage name LiSA (an acronym of Love is Same All),」
This article's acronym is very lies. Where is reference and evidence? 「Love is Same all」 is old band name Including LiSA and this band is dissolving from solo debut. Not an acronym. 「an acronym」 is a big lies and mistake and 
it is an insult to her.
This page for link show live performers and the old band that it is not related to the current LiSA activities.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkmckr (talk • contribs) 08:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC) 
True root is Risa(Her Name) to LiSA (Musician Name) and LiSA to Love is Same All (old band) and LiSA to Love is Smile Always (Live Stage Name) and other to [L... i... S... A...].
Her stage name is not 「Same All」. Everything is a mistake.
For more information is Japanese Wikipedia. 
Please do not spread the lie because it is English that many Japanese fans can not read.
Japanese fans are disappointed with many lies for English article that was neglected for many years. 
Thanks. Pkmckr (talk) 09:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Pkmckr, it's more of a backronym like how BoA used her name for Beat of Angel. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Please see Juhachi's comment https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LiSA_(Japanese_musician,_born_1987)&oldid=745870201  regarding use of Smile Always. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:19, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure whether its an acronym or a backronym. The cite just states that she (referred to as LiSA here) formed the band Love is Same All with members of Parking Out, an indie punk band at the time, in 2008. Before this, she was using her real name Risa Oribe in the band Chucky, starting in 2005. So at some point, she either created her stage name LiSA and then created the band name Love is Same All as a backronym, or when they made the name of the band, she used its acronym as her stage name. Considering that LiSA is essentially just a romanized version of her name Risa, the former is probably more likely, making it a backronym instead of an acronym, but as I said, that Sony Music cite doesn't state this outright.--十八 20:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
The performer's name is stylized as LiSA. The former band name (Love is Same All) and tour names (Live is Smile Always) derive from the artist name, but the actual performer name stands alone. Unless there's a clear citation/interview/website to justify it, the acronym/backronym  cannot be definitively stated. In the interest of avoiding further back and forth between overly excited editors (currently using all caps to make their points instead of actual citations), let's remove the acronym section until a definitive source can be identified. --GimmeChoco44 (talk) 19:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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What is the main reason for the name of the article not be Risa Oribe? The only reason I see it's because not everyone know her like Risa Oribe. However redirects can solve it, can't it? If not, what about "Risa Oribe (LiSA)"? JosterFen (talk) 13:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@JosterFen, the 2019 Requested move discussion above contains some rationales for current setup. Primarily, no one pressed on the point that Risa Oribe is the WP:COMMONNAME or for natural disambiguation. Risa Oribe is currently a redirect to this article, so that helps in discoverability of the page via "Risa Oribe". We also do not typically use put secondary/primary names in parenthesis as it is used for disambiguating topics of similar names. – robertsky (talk) 14:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
@Robertsky thanks for the answer, I'm new in editing articles in Wikipedia. The links are very helpful, thanks again! JosterFen (talk) 15:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)