# Talk:Chongqing model

I created this page largely based on material written at Bo Xilai.  There is more to do.  Notably, the page would benefit from more information on how Bo's predecessors contributed to and initiated some of these policies (particularly economic policies, like the focus on manufacturing for domestic consumption).  The biggest task I can foresee is adding information on the aftermath of Bo's removal:  the campaign against red culture,  the attempts to seek redress by people targeted under the anti-corruption drive, etc.  I'll get to this some day, if no one beats me to it. Homunculus (duihua) 21:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I will add items under Reassessments about commentators' after-the-fact analysis of Bo's actions. Geraldshields11 (talk) 16:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

The Chinese phrase "singing red songs" is changhong.
Bo's "Striking Black" policy is seen by one commentator as a "political ploy designed to cast a negative light on his predecessor and political opponent, Wang Yang, and take advantage of popular resentment against corruption". Now, Mr. Wang is being reevaluated as the "hope among China's leadership".

The more controversial crypto-Maoist campaign of singing red songs concerts is also likely to be stopped. However, because of the economic redistribution, the Chongqing Model has received grassroots and popular support. At least in this regard, the Chongqing Model will likely be remembered and studied.
On June 29, 2010, at the World Cities Summit in Singapore, Mayor Huang Qifan, the successor to Bo, signaled that the red polices of Bo were changing when he said "a subsidized public housing project designed to free up more money for people to consume and drive the economy” will continue and will be based on Singapore's Housing Development Board. Furthermore, Huang said, “We are pursuing the Reagan-Thatcher model of the 1980s.”  
Yang Fan, who is a conservative-leaning scholar at China University of Political Science and Law and and co-author of the book The Chongqing Model, wrote that he might have to reappraise the "Chongqing way of doing things" and "since a big scandal has hit Chongqing, it is imperative that we take a second look at the Chongqing Model".
Wu Jinglian, a Chinese liberal economist, and Sun Jian, a researcher at the Communist party journal Seeking Truth, warned that vested interest blocs, such as the Gang of Princelings, should not block or unwind current reform. 
Zhou Lian, an associate professor of philosophy at Renmin University of China, and Ai Weiwei, an artist in Beijing, have publicly criticized Bo and his Chongqing Model for being wrong and lowering trust.  Li Zhuang, a lawyer who was imprisoned as part of the "Striking Black" policy, said that "the Chongqing model is problematic because the city's leaders do not follow the rule of law". According to Andrew J. Nathan, a political scientist at Columbia University, "the risk for China is that this scandal could taint everyone in power and challenge the legitimacy of the regime". Furthermore, he said, “All the worst things you ever imagined are actually true” and “It’s not like nobody knew about this stuff, but now they know that it really is true and it’s as bad as it can possibly be.” 

Please lets us work together to make a good article with great cites. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

This is valuable stuff.  I think it's especially worthwhile to note that the model remains popular within pretty large segments of the population (particularly outside the business community and the intelligentsia),  and that Bo's downfall and the subsequent unravelling is seen as a kind of victory for the Guangdong model.  Are you going to make these edits?  I'll take a closer look later (whether here or on the page—up to you).  Homunculus (duihua) 19:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment. Since it seems only users Geraldshields11 Homunculus seem to want to talk. Let us edit on this talk page because I do not know how to share a sandbox. If you know of a better way, please tell me. If we get consensus on the addition, then may I have the honor or blame of posting it to the main article. My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 20:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
I will add these edits to the main article page so everyone can see then and feel free to change anything. On the talk page, people are hesitant to edit because of the rule of not changing other people's text. Thanks, again for the compliment. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gerald,
I made some edits to incorporate your additions more into the rest of the section.  I did not yet touch the material that begins "On June 29, 2010, at the World Cities Summit in Singapore" and continues through the end of the page.  In some cases I think it can be better integrated (for instance,  there are two places now where Li Zhuang is mentioned; seems this ought to be kept together in a coherent way),  or perhaps the ideas can be made a little more clear.  However,  I'm having a bit of a hard time seeing the relevance of some of this to the Chongqing model specifically; much of it is about the scandal surrounding Bo Xilai and the implications for the princeling faction. What do you think?  When I have more time I'll read through the sources you provided more carefully, and may have more thoughts. Regards, Homunculus (duihua) 23:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Dear Homunculus , Thanks for the second set of eyes. The items you think are more relevant to the Bo scandal, please move to the Bo article page and delete from this page or just delete from this page.  My best regards, Geraldshields11

Just curious about this edit[1] which removed mention of the surveillance operations as a component of the anti-crimes/corruption drive.  The New York Times article describing this makes it pretty clear that the surveillance operations were part of the da hei campaign.  Whether or not this is Bo Xilai's MO in generally isn't really the question, is it? Courting investment and planting trees are also components of Bo's policies that predated his arrival in Chongqing.  Anyways,  here's the excerpt from the Times: 

"According to senior party members, including editors, academics and people with ties to the military, Mr. Bo’s eavesdropping operations began several years ago as part of a state-financed surveillance buildup, ostensibly for the purposes of fighting crime and maintaining local political stability. The architect was Mr. Wang, a nationally decorated crime fighter who had worked under Mr. Bo in the northeast province of Liaoning. Together they installed “a comprehensive package bugging system covering telecommunications to the Internet,” according to the government media official. [...] Together, Mr. Bo and Mr. Wang unleashed a drive to smash what they said were crime rings that controlled large portions of Chongqing’s economic life. In interviews, targets of the crackdown marveled at the scale and determination with which local police intercepted their communications."[2]
Explanation would be appreciated. Homunculus (duihua) 03:57, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Adding back in now.  If there are objections I expect a discussion. Homunculus (duihua) 22:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Chongqing model/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 20:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Will review. This is interesting stuff.  MathewTownsend (talk) 20:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
review
two disambiguations needed -Wang Yang and Hukou  Done
captions: those that are a complete sentence require a period. Those that don't end in a complete sentence should not end in a period. Two of the captions need fixing.  Done
"a more or less comprehensive roadmap " - vague. Can you use different wording?
link as many Chinese names and terms as possible at first mention. e.g. I linked Liaoning province as an example   Done
in general, names of people should be wiki linked at first mention (if there is an article to link to) and can be linked again further down, as to many these names are confusing.
"the initiative was given approval by central authorities"  - do the central authorities have a name?  Done
"The campaign was overseen by Wang Lijun, whom Bo had worked with previously in Liaoning province." - it's mentioned below that he is police chief - should it be mentioned here because I didn't connect the names.  Done
"only 27% held urban hukous as of 2007" - is an "urban hukous" some kind of certification or license?  Done
"3 million rural residents" - generally numbers under 10 should be written out - e.g. three millon   Done
"One student quoted in the Washington Post embraced the ethos of the campaign, saying, "When I sing red songs, I find a kind of spirit I never felt when singing modern songs" - should be The Washington Post (a few sentences later the Washington Post is mentioned again but the correct name, linking and italics should occur at first mention.  Done
"Daily Telegraph should be The Daily Telegraph   Done
Cultural Revolution - should be wlinked   Done
I wlinked GDP - please look for instances to wlink to help the reader
business association told the Daily Telegraph - should be The Daily Telegraph - please check for all instances of newspaper names. Some ust "The", others don't.   Done
"began an effort to discredit the former party secretary." - would it be simpler and clearer to say "discredit him"?   Done
"The Wall Street Journal should be The Wall Street Journal - in the rest of the article it seems to be correctly named.   Done
This is an excellent article, well written and sourced. With these nitpicks address, it will pass. I have made some edits[3] Feel free to revert those that you don't agree with.
MathewTownsend (talk) 12:53, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Excellent.  I'll start addressing these, and will let you know when done (shouldn't take more than a couple days, but currently on quasi-vacation).  Homunculus (duihua) 16:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Almost done.  I misread one of your suggestions that names of individuals can be linked more than once to help the reader.  Will go back tomorrow or late today and implement that as suggested, alone with the few others I didn't address today. Homunculus (duihua) 17:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
I think I've addressed the remaining issues, though not sure how successful my attempt was on the third bullet.  Let me know your thoughts. Homunculus (duihua) 06:19, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm satisfied. MathewTownsend (talk) 14:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
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Congratulations!  MathewTownsend (talk) 15:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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