# Talk:EST and The Forum in popular culture

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There's a section (and accompanying captioned photo) about alleged links between The Matrix and the Landmark Forum that is entirely sourced from two dubious self-published books. Here is the relevant quote from one of them (Diamond, Nenari (2006). Stepping Into Spiritual Oneness: Spiritual Rememberings of the Soul Through Life Experience. Morrisville, North Carolina: Lulu. p. 169.):
> So, we may then ask ~ “What is the point of choosing?” Spirit says that they shall gift us with the Spiritual Metaphor in the movie Matrix Revolutions for the answer as to why choose.
> This movie, of which the screenplay was written by the Wachowski Brother souls, got its inspiration for this screenplay and subsequent movie, while taking a seminar series called The Landmark Forum that I also went through. They say that if we are to take a look at the movie Matrix Revolutions, in the end of the movie, Neo is asked by Agent Smith, “Why is it that you continue to do this Mr. Anderson?” to which Neo replies, “Because I choose to”. Simply put, he chooses to. Nothing more and nothing less. Therefore Spirit expresses that when we choose a way of BEing in LIFE, that we are invited to be as Neo is BEing, choosing a way of BEing simply because we choose to, free from a reason of anything other than it is a choice in LIFE we are choosing. Why choose? To experience; to experience Infinite Possibility.
These are not reliable sources.
Proposal to delete the entire section if no other reliable source can be found, although this would leave the chronological survey ending with the 1990s. AutobioGraphix (talk) 15:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Update: I've removed The Matrix references because they are based on dubious sources. AutobioGraphix (talk) 12:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)