# Talk:Nurture (album)

@36.90.158.136 and Binksternet: It seems we have a disagreement over whether or not the shoegaze genre should be mentioned in the infobox. The citation which actually is supposed to verify it is this The Fader article ("He flips through sounds and styles — delirious shoegaze..."). Binksternet also noted that it's mentioned in the Pitchfork review ("...blissed-out digital shoegaze (the Totally Enormous Extinct Dinosaurs collaboration 'Unfold')...". So while 'Unfold' is, of course, the best example of a shoegaze-like style on the album, it's not the only one. I interpret the language of both of these sources as making more general comments on the stylistic aspects of the album; both of them acknowledge that the work incorporates stylistic influences from several genres, including shoegaze. I'd love to hear what you two think about this, and hopefully we can come to a consensus on this before making any more reverts. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Disagree. The album infobox should state the overall genres of the album rather than serve as a grab bag of song genres. Pitchfork says that various songs on the album are informed by various genres, making the album a wide-ranging experience. The Fader says the same thing, that the album shows various influences such as "delirious shoegaze, piano balladry, intricate electronic experimentation" which harken back to the earlier description of the song "Musician" which also includes pop, house, and rave.  Other reviews don't mention shoegaze at all. Binksternet (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
I don't necessarily disagree with you when you say the infobox shouldn't be "a grab bag of song genres", but I want to note that several other genres are mentioned in reliable sources with only about the same strength as shoegaze, the ambient and electropop ones in particular. You can see the citations that verify them in this revision. I don't mean to distract from the topic of this discussion, but if you have an issue with how the genres are mentioned in the sources, we have to apply that standard to all of them. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the infobox genres should be trimmed so that they accurately summarize the sources talking about the album's overall genre. Binksternet (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Right, but the question, of course, is "How?". If we cut out all of the genres that haven't been explicitly called out in the sources to apply to the album as a whole, the list probably dwindles to just one or two items. Again, this isn't something I'm necessarily against, but I'd like to establish some consensus for a change like that. Preferably, I'd want to hear from the anonymous editor as well, since they're also involved in this content dispute, but it seems they're not interested in discussion. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
We can empty the infobox genres if nothing specific is said by multiple sources to be the overall album genre. Of course, we would tell the reader all about the various genres contained in the album's songs, using prose descriptions in the article body. Binksternet (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@TechnoSquirrel69, the recorded dates that have been inserted by HeligoBoy twice are sourced from here. I do not think I am best judge of whether or not inclusion in the article is warranted, so I'll just leave this message here. Twotwicetalk 04:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for tracking that down, Twotwice! I did think I had seen the recording dates before but couldn't for the life of me remember where. The best way to go about this would be to work the dates into the prose at § Composition and style, which would then justify their placement in the infobox. I can take care of that tomorrow unless someone else would like to jump on it — feel free to do so! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
 Added with a citation in the infobox for now. I'll incorporate the recording information into the prose eventually, but I'll get to that along with the other changes I'm planning as I bring this up to FAC readiness. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)