# Talk:Cesária Évora

IP, the content you are removing is supported by multiple reliable sources. The burden is on you to explain why these sources are not reliable or that they do not support the content in question. When you challenge verifiability, the response is to restore it with a reliable source, which I did. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I was just passing by and I noticed some disruptive… dispute(?) in this page. I think I must intervene since I was one of the editors of the article morna.
I am sorry to say but the IP(s) is(are) right. I believe that the editor who put the sources acted in good faith. However, I’ve been around in Wikipedia for some years and what I may suggest is for editors always double check or cross-check the sources. It is not because there is a source stating something that we will assume that that something is correct (there may be a source saying that Hitler was a good guy…).
Regarding this issue in particular, we are a bit… how should I put it nicelly?… we are a bit tired when foreigners start talking about our music without having a deep knowledge of it. Many times, some scholars (or other people) make statements about our music only based on perception, not on ethno-musical or musicology studies and research. In this issue in particular, morna can not have influences from fado since morna is older than fado and morna is musicaly more complex. Morna has no elements from blues, either. It is not just because both genres talk about sadness that we can say that morna has “elements from” blues: the two genres have a different rhythm, different time signature, different tempo, different chord progressions, different lyric structure, different instrumentation, different… see what I mean? In fact, we, Cape Verdeans, are a bit fed-up when Americans call morna the “Cape Verdean blues”: that sounds ethnocentricsm, like if blues were the standard to define any musical genre. Also, I had never heard or seen that morna has chanson or habanera influences. That was a first for me. That is another nonsense since morna is older than those genres. In fact, I invite anyone to show other independent sources that state that. Not just that but to prove how, exactly that morna has influences from this or that genre. Is it the rhythm? Is it the harmony? Which musical element are we talking about, exactly? If whoever makes those statements can not explain in musical terms what they mean, maybe they are not a reliable source. Maybe one should give some credit to Cape Verdean sources, Cape Verdean musicologist have been studying the genre for quite some time, and they surely know better than foreigners (with all due respect). The article morna has not only some sources (just for a start) but also explanations that contradict the statements in cause.
Besides, this is an article talking about Cesária Évora. Maybe this is not the appropriate place to talk about morna, there is already an article for that. Citing the influences on morna in this article is irrellevant.
Ten Islands (talk) 21:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, her nickname was “Cize” (like it is already written elsewhere in the article), and not “Cizé”.
Ten Islands (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)