# Talk:Fire Emblem Fates

Normally we don't use two non-free boxart images for different versions of a game in a single article - see Pokémon Red and Blue, for instance. Exceptions are when there's something notable to write about the cover itself, for instance in Catherine or Ōkami, but I don't see that being the case here. So, yeah... basically, we'll have to remove one of the covers - I dunno which one of them we'd use, though. Once Nintendo releases an image of the boxart for the edition that includes all three "paths" of the game, we could probably use that, but for now we have to come up with something else. Thoughts? --IDVtalk 06:32, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, what you say is correct according to policy. I have no idea which one to use though, since both are rather different, and so far, it doesn't seem like there's any inequality between them. (It's not like one is the "main story" and the others are just a "side story" or DLC. Sergecross73 msg me 16:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
How was Pokémon Red's cover chosen as that article's image? Maybe the same method of choosing one could be applied to this article as well? Σούπερμαν/Super-man (talk!) 16:14, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
FYI, whoever changed the image made a good choice - that image captures both perfectly in one image. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 19:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

That would be me. Yeah, I was stoked to find that image, it's perfect.--IDVtalk 07:34, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
@Sergecross73 and IDV:, I need to restart this discussion due to new factors. As you probably both know, this game has three official storylines, even though only two of those exist as physical releases. The image used now is not only for the Japanese version, but for the downloadable version of the two physical releases. No representation exists of the third story path, which is just as important as the others. I have a suggestion: use just the game's English logo (the text "Fire Emblem Fates" such as can be seen on its own here and as part of the game's Nintendo page here). To show the characters properly, official artwork of the main cast can be used, obtainable from this page/associated gallery via official releases from Nintendo. I remember something similar happening for Final Fantasy XI, which uses just the official logo due to multiple add-on releases. I see this working in a similar way for this game. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I suppose your reasoning in the current one's shortcomings are correct, though I really don't think using a text-only logo really alleviates that at all. It kind of defeats the purpose of having an image at all - its generally a pretty poor representation of that game unless the typeset/font somehow really stands out. At least the Final Fantasy XI logo has some of the series trademark artwork with the text logo. I'm open to suggestions though, as I don't really have a solution. Ideally, Nintendo will release some sort of cover, in English, that represents the game's entirety, when we get closer to its Western release... Sergecross73 msg me 20:15, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Wasn't there a limited physical release that included all three scenarios? Can we just use the cover of that? If not, I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal to just keep this cover until an English localized cover gets revealed.--IDVtalk 22:03, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Nintendo, a few days ago mentioned in a video about choosing sides in the game- Specifically mentioning one side will be like the loyal to family versus your kingdom, and another side would be loyal to your kingdom versus your family. A choice made would effect how the story progresses. If someone could confirm what I remember from this video being true, is there any way we can grammatically fit this in the article? Tanner Ghosen (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Just realized that Nintendo's writing the game's title with a lowercase "i" in "if". We do, too, in the actual article, while the article's title is written with an uppercase "I". Is one of them more preferable on Wikipedia? Either way, it'd be nice if we were consistent. --IDVtalk 21:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Capital "I" is correct with English, but from what I've gathered, capitalization rules are different with Japanese. (I don't know anything about Japanese personally, but it came up with the Tales (series) games in the past, where the "of" is lower case in English, but upper case in the Japanese equivalent game, in games like Tales of Hearts, for example.) I don't know which way is correct here, but I'm fine with whatever.  I'm hoping Nintendo will announce an official English title for the game soon (maybe E3?), as I doubt they'll use this as the final name in English language territories, and then this will be a non-issue. Sergecross73 msg me 02:58, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I traced the logo into a *.svg and uploaded it.
How should it be used in the article? Σούπερμαν/Super-man (talk!) 15:23, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I mean, I like it because it's actually in English...but I think the current image is a better representation of the game. I'm open to suggestions. Sergecross73 msg me 16:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Looking good, but like Sergecross, I don't think it would be useful in this article at this point since we already have a cover image. You should upload it to Commons, though - the other language edition of Wikipedia that I edit, svwp, doesn't allow locally uploaded files, so it would be pretty nice to have an svg of the logo on Commons. Another thing you could do is to upload just the "Fire Emblem" portion of it to Commons - right now this exists, but it's a png and only locally uploaded, so yours would be superior. --IDVtalk 23:58, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Compared to the section in the Fire Emblem Awakening article, the Gameplay section here is simply not up to scratch. It mainly covers the points that are introduced in Fates or carried over from Awakening; and it does so without much of a structure. For example, the first paragraph starts with the "weapon triangle", not the core gameplay. This is primarily why I posted the template message to reorganize this section. —017Bluefield (talk) 17:23, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

That's not really a layout problem. It's more about the content.  So I don't think the organize tag is necessary, an expand section tag would be more appropriate.  The game was only just released (in one territory), so naturally the section will read better once the details are fleshed out. --The1337gamer (talk) 17:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. Expansion would be good, though its not really fair to directly compare it to Awakening when one has been out for several years and is currently at GA status, and the other has been a out a week in Japan, and is at least half a year away from release in any other regions... Sergecross73 msg me 17:48, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
I suppose you're correct about that. —017Bluefield (talk) 01:39, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I just dont think this game has enough lgbt related content to be tagged. both characters arent very relevant to the story and shara is a child character that wont appear unless you marry off a certain character. lgbt characters are present in a large amount of fire emblem games such as heather in radiant dawn and various game contain marriage with members of the same sex but these are not tagged lgbt related such as fable ii and skyrim V. i also think is appropriate to mention that same sex couples cannot have child units, i tried to add and cite but it got deleted, eh :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.246.226 (talk)  

A game can "become LGBT related" (for WP's purposes, anyway) despite not actually being about LGBT stuff, depending on how it's treated in media. The inclusion of same-sex marriage in the game was reported on quite a bit, wasn't it? --IDVtalk 09:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't see a problem either. If you look at the ones that are tagged, you'll see there's a bunch of games that aren't heavily involved in LGBT themes, like Persona 4 or Metal Gear Solid 2. Sergecross73 msg me 12:42, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
frozen was reported quite well to have lgbt parallels ( a quick search turned up 70+ articles relating to the subject) but the general concensus was that it needed to contain lgbt characters as part of the main plot to be tagged as such, looking at the category description the same seems to apply here as well. zero and syalla dont contibute to the plot, also its possible depending on your gender and version to have no same sex options avalible. a quick look and nearly all the tagged pages had lgbt characters as part of the main plot. last of us had ellie, persona 2 has jun, and gta bogt has, well gay tony. the characters played a much larger role than the lgbt characters in the FE series so far, and i dont know much about MGS, but persona 4 was most ABSOLUTLEY  heavily involved in lgbt themes, two main characters, a male and female, both struggle with their sexual orientation and gender identity as part of the MAIN plot. fallout, fable, and elder scrolls recieved plenty of news attention back when they were released due to Same sex relations/marriage but are not tagged lgbt related i believe because no queer characters played a large role in the story aside from sidequests. if we were to tag EVERY article that includes even minor lgbt characters it would just be a mess. also i still think we should mention that SS marriages cannot have child units.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.246.226 (talk)     — Preceding undated comment added 00:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Same-sex marriage is present, and marriage is a fundamental part of the game. Any number of third party sources have covered it. So the category applies. There is no requirement for it to be a fundamental part of the game's overall plot. Sergecross73 msg me 03:05, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:LGBT-related_video_games states games that feature lgbt as part of the plot. also did a quick search on MGS and one of the more prominent characters is a gay man, so it should be tagged as such, same with persona 4. Marriage and children are an important part of the fable and elder scrolls series, but both arent tagged as such because they dont fit the category of featuring lgbt as part of the plot.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.246.226 (talk) 03:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
The marriage aspect plays rolls in the overall plot and gameplay though. You're getting into pretty subjective territory if you're arguing its "not prominent enough". That's usually why Wikipedia falls back on going with what can be verified by reliable sources. Anyways, we've made our stances be known. Let's see if there's any other input to see if there can be a clearer consensus on this. Sergecross73 msg me 15:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
n if you're arguing lgbt category should be included because of ONE ssm option, its seem pretty arbitrary that fable, elderscrolls V, and ffxiv are not tagged as those have DOZENS of options.I feel this category is not needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.6.49 (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Were there any discussions about actively not having the category in these example articlesof yours? If not, then it's not a good example really - it could just mean no one ever got around to doing it. Or it could have even been wrongfully removed. Sergecross73 msg me 22:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
None of the verified sources say marriage plays a part in the plot. It just says that its there. The category description says features lgbt as part of the plot.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.7.228 (talk) 22:54, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Objectively wrong. Very long articles by reliable sources have explained how same sex marriage plays out different in different plot routes on the game. Sergecross73 msg me 00:13, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Same sex marriages still have no affect on the main plot the articles says nothing regarding it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.7.228 (talk) 13:30, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
If its a story segment in the game, then its part of the plot. A smaller part, but a part nonetheless. Sergecross73 msg me 14:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Nothing is mentioned in the article about it contributing to the plot  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.7.64 (talk) 01:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Marriage aspects are story-based. Story is part of the plot. There's no logical alternative argument saying otherwise. Sergecross73 msg me 02:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Marriage has no affect on the story. Especially same sex marriage. Opposite sex marriage opens additional support options while this is inaccessible to SSM because they can't have children. Plus, this feature is completely optional and its possible to have a play through depending on what version, to have NO ssm options at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.7.64 (talk) 12:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Its completely irrelevant whether or not its optional. I think you're misunderstanding the reference of it needing to be "plot-based". What it means is, the content is supposed to be scripted, as in, a scenario made specifically by the game's creators. Opposed to a completely user-generated scenario, like players having 2 male World of Warcraft characters love each other or something. Its not meant to create some sort of subjective requirement of how much of an effect it has on an overarching plotline... Sergecross73 msg me 17:02, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
hmm...is there a requirement saying how relevant the character must be to the plot? like in persona 3 there was a lesbian girl who was a really minor character npc. Anyway im kinda split on this, and if thats the case, i think category: incest]should also be added.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loominginterval4545 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
No, there's no such requirement. Do you have a source for the incestual content? Sergecross73 msg me 02:08, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
apparently you can marry your adopted and real siblings http://nintendonews.com/2015/06/fire-emblem-fates-dialogue-stripping-touching/ and  https://ladygeekgirl.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/does-fates-have-a-cruel-future-in-store-for-lgbtq-fans/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loominginterval4545 (talk • contribs) 16:03, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Not only do those not meet the requirements of a reliable source, but they don't even show that incest is happening - no sexual acts are being done by family members (as far as I can tell from the sources given, at least, which again, aren't reliable.) Sergecross73 msg me 19:42, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
you can s rank and have a kid  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.246.226 (talk) 00:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 Reliable source? Sergecross73 msg me 15:04, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
No one has reported on it because its been overshadowed by the same sex marriage reveals but playthroughs on youtube clearly show you can marry your adopted and real siblings, heres an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61c8_OwGRxE and also its turns out aqua is your cousin as well and you can marry her.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.246.226 (talk) 13:53, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, Wikipedia only goes by what is verified by reliable sources. If sources don't find it noteworthy to cover, neither do we. Sergecross73 msg me 16:48, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
like someone already posted its possible to gave a play through with no SSM options at all. Fire emblem has tons of lgbt characters, do you think those should be tagged lgbt category as well? Not to mention the female avatar is canon for nohr and the male is canon for hoshido.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.86.242 (talk) 20:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC) 

Avoiding the SSM options in the game does not make a game devoid of SSM content, so that doesn't matter whether or not one can avoid the elements in the game.
The category in question is called "LGBT-related video games", so no, this particular category wouldn't make sense for a character. I don't see any Fire Emblem characters with their own article, let alone any LGBT ones, so I don't see how your example would be applied in any capacity... Sergecross73 msg me 20:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
I think what he's trying to point out is that awakening and radient dawn have lgbt character, while you said lgbt needs to be part of the plot so why aren't those lgbt tagged?Loominginterval4545 (talk) 00:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
If you can find reliable, third party sources discussing the importance of LGBT elements for the Awakening or Radiant, then the category could be considered. If you can't, then no. Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
as a matter of fact there are multiple sources for those characters, like in this example http://www.gamingbus.com/2012/06/21/glbt-history-in-video-games-2000s-part-two/ . I should also point out that same sex marriage is the norm for games that feature marriage, if they dont then this happens http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27321200[Special:Contributions/66.25.246.226|66.25.246.226]] (talk) 13:53, 21 July 2015

"Gamingbus" is not a reliable source. See  this for a list of sources that are acceptable. Whether or not it is "the norm" is irrelevant to whether or not the category applies. Sergecross73 msg me 23:45, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
i dont get why that wont be a reliable source but heres another where its mentioned http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/same-sex-marriage-now-an-official-option-for-fire-emblem-fates/ so youre just going to apply the tag to every game that features marriage? that really clunky. Its ONE option out of around 20, plus you cant have children units. and depending on your gender there is no ssm options at all. The options here are so limited I dont see the purpose of a tag. 27321200[Special:Contributions/66.25.246.226|66.25.246.226]] (talk) 13:53, 21 July 2015
Gaming bus is most definitely a reliable source. Please sign edits with 4 ~ please!Loominginterval4545 (talk) 00:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm not saying it necessarily should be added to these other article, I'm saying it could be, and its not a valid reason to keep it off of this article. Please read how Wikipedia defines a reliable source and "other stuff exists". It shows why your sources aren't usuable, and why you examples are irrelevant and invalid unless you've got links to discussions that explains where/why policy-based decisions were made. If you can't link to any discussions, then you could just be linking to areas where mistakes are being made. Sergecross73 msg me 00:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
66.25.246.226 gave two reliable sources, Aotf is most certainly a reliable source. You said theres no requirement on how relevant the character needs to be to the plot, i think we both can agree how easily abused that could be. Could a minor one time npc who mentions their sexuality cause for a game to tagged lgbt related? Loominginterval4545 (talk) 00:43, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
You've made like 20 edits all-time - you don't seem to understand how Wikipedia defines reliability. Read the "about us" page for "Gaming Bus". It's just a random guy and his wife. No credentials. No authority other than being a fan. It easily and clearly fails WP:RS and WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 00:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Attack of the fanboy? plus you didnt answer my other question. Loominginterval4545 (talk) 00:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Okay, please explain to me how Attack of the Fanboy meets Wikipedias definition of a reliable source. Let's start there. Then, explain to me how that is somehow a reason why it would prevent using the LGTB category on this article, being mindful of WP:OSE. Sergecross73 msg me 00:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
They are a video game news a review site much like IGN. why wouldn't they be a reliable source? Ive seen plenty of people source AotFB. I think you've  got me confused with the other guy. Im just saying AotFB IS a reliable source. Let me repost what I said "You said theres no requirement on how relevant the character needs to be to the plot, i think we both can agree how easily abused that could be. Could a minor one time npc who mentions their sexuality cause for a game to tagged lgbt related? Loominginterval4545 (talk) 01:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm tired of explaining why you and these IPs are wrong when none of you can provide a valid policy based reason backing your stance on why you're right. You still haven't explained why these sources are reliable, you just keep saying "Well sure, why not?"  That's not a reason. Then you keep proposing these irrelevant scenarios. It doesn't matter. We go by what sources say. Countless sources had articles focused solely on same-sex marriage. So the category applies. This is not the place to discuss the category and the many ways to apply it to all these other games.  For that, go to the category's talk page. We are only discussing Fates and the category here. And countless sources support its inclusion. Sergecross73 msg me 01:12, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Attack of the fanboy meets the requirements for a reliable source, heck even metacritic uses them http://www.metacritic.com/publication/attack-of-the-fanboy. Im not here to debate Attack of the fanboy RS , but reading the above posts you said as long as SSM is scripted in the game code it should be tagged lgbt related right? well thats not what the category description says. Its says features LGBT characters as part of the plot. I kinda have to agree with the above posts. Shara is a completely optional character and contributes nothing to the plot. The sources state SSM IS scripted in the game but the description says it NEEDS to be part of the plot. Lets compare Mass effect here. FemShepard could have a SS relationship with that alien chick (forget her name :/) The alien chick is bisexual and was an important character in the plot, hence the lgbt tag. In Dragon age and Skyrim you could have a SS relationship with ANY character in your party. That makes the characters in the game bisexual and an important character in the plot. Same with Fable. If the characters contribute nothing to the plot I dont see the relevance in this tag. Anyway take your time to respond im gonna be out until tuesday. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Loominginterval4545 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 27 July 2015
You seem to be operating on the premise that optional story content doesn't count? I don't follow this line of reasoning. Sources discuss it being part of the scripted story. That is enough. And again, your examples are meaningless if you cant show any proof of discussion that led to these results. Just because you find something somewhere doesn't make it right. By your logic, if someone tagged Sonic the Hedgehog with a "games with dinosaur protagonists" category, and no one noticed, and then you observed it one day, it must be true. just because it's there or absent at a random article doesn't make it necessarily right.  Sergecross73 msg me 02:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
This discussion is going in circles by the minute, and I suspect more people might become harassed by pro-LGBT people trying to impose the category onto people. The consensus stated that they do not want the category, so I request that everybody just accept the consensus and drop the subject before somebody escalates this into a personal attack against somebody.--Loyalmoonie (talk) 21:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)Chris

"Consensus" means nothing if the majority's argument doesn't have a basis in Wikipedia policy. There's been no harassment, and doesn't seem like there will be either, so I dunno what you mean by that, unless you're just trying to shut down discussion that isn't in favor of "your side" (if that's not what you are doing, I apologize for assuming so). Besides, there isn't really a majority here - there are two IPs, but they seem to be the same person(?) and there's Looming Interval. On the other hand, there's me and Sergecross, whose argument is based in WP policy and has reliable sources supporting it.--IDVtalk 21:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, exactly this. I'm also puzzled by the harrassment comment. Neither side has shown any form of discussion that has been out of line in the least. You'll also note that I have no agenda related to LGBT, and none of my edits outside of this discussion are related to it. (Ironically, let it be known that LoyalMoonie was WP:CANVASSED by an IP, likely because they saw him want to remove a similar category elsewhere. Canvassing is not allowed.) Sergecross73 msg me 22:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Since I spoke up in the RfC I'll disclose that I don't feel one way or the other about advocating for LGBT rights, at least as far as it's worth discussing here. My reasoning is just common sense and WP policy. If there's LGBT aspects in a game, such as a same-sex relationship between characters that RSes are writing considerably about, then it's related to LGBT, that just... makes sense, doesn't it. And this is just talking on a category level, not even on actual article content level, the former of which the average reader is not even going to care about unless they usually navigate WP through more than the searchbar, which I'd (perhaps naively) assume is rare. I, personally, can't remember ever using or even knowing cats existed when I was just a casual reader who knew nothing of WP behind-the-scenes, but that's just me. BLUSTER⌉⌊BLASTER 15:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

The invisble history dlc is an important part of the game's plot. It should at the very least have a topic embedded in the article
177.40.27.141 (talk) 19:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

 Not done: It's not clear what you want changed. You say "Invisible history" but I believe you mean the third downloadable content, "Invisible Kingdom", which is clearly integrated throughout the article. -- ferret (talk) 20:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I meant the dlc that happens before the events of all three games, which explain how the characters from awakening ended there, the backstory of hydra/anakos,etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.96.91.26 (talk) 00:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC) 

You've got to be more specific in what story info content you'd hypothetically want to add... Sergecross73 msg me 03:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
It's a prologue of sorts to all three games, revealing important stuff about the main characters of the game. Look, just search up the web. You'll see that i'm right.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.251.115.141 (talk) 00:24, 18 November 2015 (UTC) 

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that, in these requests, you're supposed to say, much more literally, "I want to change X information to Y information", not "Somebody write a plot summary for me". Additionally, you'll see that there will be a lot more people working on the plot information once the game is released in English. Sergecross73 msg me 14:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Append the following to the end of the "Release" section:
To promote the game, the Avatar of Fates, under the name Corrin, will be added as a playable character via downloadable content to Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U in February 2016.
136.181.195.25 (talk) 15:31, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done DatbubblegumdoeIt's2016? 23:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Title song name is incorrectly Romanised into "if ~ hitori omuo" rather than "if ~ hitori omou", the verb omo-u meaning to think/consider.
198.53.205.129 (talk) 13:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done --allthefoxes (Talk)  21:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Change the following under the "Release" section, as the character is being released today (tomorrow in Europe):

To promote the game, the Avatar of Fates, under the name Corrin, will bewas added as a playable character via downloadable content to Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U in February 2016.
136.181.195.25 (talk) 15:21, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done --allthefoxes (Talk)  15:39, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

The gameplay section links to Character class twice within a few lines.
HeroKingMarth (talk) 18:42, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks.--IDVtalk 18:45, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

I see in the article that its being met with widespread critical acclaim, yet the score on metacritic for both versions are 89 and 87 respectively, those are fairly good reviews, but i don't think it translate to widespread critical acclaim, at best its highly positive. 66.25.246.226 (talk) 03:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Soeli is bisexual, she can have s rank supports with only men. 66.25.246.226 (talk)
 Not done - Your desired change, and rationale for it, is unclear. Please provide sources as well. Sergecross73 msg me 13:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

68.106.91.143 (talk) 23:27, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
In the reception area the meta critic scores and numbers of reviews needs to be updated.  Also in the sentence after that it ends with the word "fellows" and it doesn't make much sense in context, and while I wanted to touch it up; i have to write the request.

 Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 00:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fire Emblem Fates/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Cognissonance (talk · contribs) 02:54, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Waiting so long must be a bitch. Cognissonance (talk) 02:54, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


### Lead
"The gameplay, which focuses around" — Simplify: "The gameplay, which revolves around".


### Gameplay
#### Battle system
top-down perspective — Link to Top-down perspective
third-person view — Link to Virtual camera system#Third-person view
"members of each kingdoms' royal family" — Fix punctuation: "members of each kingdom's royal family".
"special map tiles that enables them" — Fix grammar: "special map tiles that enable them".
"with swords and magic beating axes and bows, axes and bows beating lances and hidden weapons, and lances and hidden weapons beating swords and magic" — Minimize repetition by replacing "beating" with "defeating", "besting" and "overpowering".
online multiplayer — Link to Multiplayer video game
matches can be carried out with selected players — Improve prose: "matches can be carried out with select players".


### Development
"The game was co-developed" — Minimize repetition: "It was co-developed".
"an alternative activity for players, and provide a means" — Improve prose: "an alternative activity for players to provide a means".
"map designing became a larger task that initially anticipated" — Fix grammar: "map designing became a larger task than initially anticipated".
"main character to marry a character of the same sex is included" — Past tense consistency: "main character to marry a character of the same sex was included".
"kingdoms were themed after different cultures: Hoshido was themed after Japan" — Minimize repetition: "kingdoms were based upon different cultures: Hoshido was themed after Japan".
"The Hoshido characters' clothing were based around Japanese culture" — Improve prose: "The Hoshido characters' clothing were influenced by Japanese culture".
"dark fantasy was used to emphasize" — Minimize repetition: "dark fantasy was used to highlight".


#### Scenario
"raising the game's price to that equivalent to" Fix grammar: "raising the game's price to the equivalent of".
"which would have been unfair to people who only wanted to play one version" — WP:POV: "which would not benefit people who wanted to play one single version".
"so the full summary for Birthright extended to about 500 pages as a result" — Improve prose (as a result is not needed when so is used as a conjunction): "and thus the full summary for Birthright extended to about 500 pages".
"Much of the character traits for the royals" — Minimize repetition: "A great deal of the character traits for the royals".
"One of the principle writers" — Fix grammar: "One of the principal writers".


### Release
"both received a physical release on June 25, 2015 in Japan, and was announced for a" — Fix grammar: "both received a physical release on June 25, 2015 in Japan, which was announced for a". (Referring to physical release.)
Nintendo (source 51) does not link to the accurate site.


### Reception
"Carter found Revelation a good middle ground" — Minimize repetition: "Carter considered Revelation to be a good middle ground".


#### Sales
"Shortly after pre-orders for the special edition were announced, it sold out within a day. After complaints from fans" — Minimize repetition: "Shortly after pre-orders for the special edition were announced, it sold out within a day. Following complaints from fans".
"Kibayashi reported via his Twitter announce that" — Improve prose: "Kibayashi reported via his Twitter that".
"current best-selling video game in Amazon Japan" — Fix grammar: "current best-selling video game on Amazon Japan".
"Birthright and Conquest came in at" — Minimize repetition: "Birthright and Conquest reached".
"As of March 31, 2016, the physical versions have sold" — Past tense consistency: "As of March 31, 2016, the physical versions had sold".


### Overall
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall: The issues I have with the article are minor and easy to fix.
Pass/Fail: 
@ProtoDrake: Cognissonance (talk) 15:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
@Cognissonance: I've done my best to sort out all the points above. The Nintendo AU reference is dead for some reason, and I've adjusted it accordingly. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:43, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
(My first stub version of the article I created linked "top down perspective". I hadn't noticed when someone must have removed it over time... Sergecross73 msg me 16:47, 21 October 2016 (UTC) )
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism): 
Pass/Fail: 
@ProtoDrake: よくできました. Cognissonance (talk) 17:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

This content keeps getting re-added to the article. There's multiple issues here:

Half of it is unsourced.
The other half is sourced to a fansite's message board. Fansites never meet Wikipedias standards for being a usable source, and doubly so when it's just from their message boards, which violates WP:USERG.
None of it is important anyways. It does not matter when a fan translation fizzled out or who took over. It wasn't even closed to finished, and there was never particularly a need for a fan translation in the first place because there was little doubt it would receive an official translation.
Please stop re-adding it. Sergecross73 msg me 18:42, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Note for the future: Both editors refused to engage, edit warred, and ended up getting blocked for WP:SOCKPUPPETRY. Sergecross73 msg me 20:15, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Proposing a merge of Characters of Fire Emblem Fates into this article. Fire Emblem Fates already has a section covering key characters, and the list, outside of a few main characters, only has a few additional side characters not currently covered in the parent. The bulk of the Characters article is largely plucking information covering the game as a whole and splitting it off. For example, the latter two paragraphs of its reception section are just developmental information showing how localization altered the portrayal of characters without any actual commentary or analysis. Other aspects such as the petting minigame and Soleil's controversy are already discussed in the parent. The discussion of same sex relationships in the sources is largely about the concept of itself in terms of the game and series moreso than the individual characters being romanced, while the only other talking point, Corrin, is largely discussed in only one source, with all of the plot information of Corrin already covered in either Legacy or the plot section.
On the whole this article isn't really saying much and doesn't have much in-depth coverage of its cast that isn't just taking sources that aren't reception and passing them off as such, or taking sources about the game and then re-using the coverage to apply to a smaller subject that's not as focused on. That being said, some of the content in this Characters article is valuable and has some potential for merging; coverage of the same sex relationships for example would benefit the main article's overall coverage of it. However, I feel the coverage for the Characters article is just not enough to meet individual notability of the parent, with high source and content overlap, and also just doesn't have much discussion individually in a significant manner. A merge feels like it would be a more beneficial way of covering the topic as a whole.   Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 23:02, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Support The reception is made up almost entirely by discussion of Corrin or discussion of censorship in the English release. In the former, the discussion on Corrin is rather middling, and additional sourcing is fairly weak. For the latter, there's not much commentary on the censorship, just saying that it happened, which is basically development info (and should be covered on Fates' page if it isn't already). - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 09:38, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
Support per Gherkin above, but also this has seen barely any activity and comes from a period when several character-based articles were being created, most of which have been merged or deleted. There is barely any actual development commentary on different characters, let alone other aspects, so the article can't properly stand on its own.--ProtoDrake (talk) 10:47, 18 November 2025 (UTC)