# Talk:LeBron James

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Theeverywhereperson  (talk here) 16:13, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Lebron is seen as one of the best but he is not even close to Michael Jordan ~2025-32658-56 (talk) 01:55, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - Umby 🌕🐶 (talk) 02:13, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Under "Early Life" the article mentions Lebron's childhood friends, including Willie McGee. The link attached to Willie McGee directs to a baseball player of the same name born in 1958; this seems incorrect. BushyCoke (talk) 03:27, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks for spotting that. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 03:38, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Should we split this article up so its easier to read?? YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 14:04, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Short answer: probably so, yes. Longer answer: probably so, yes but it's not as easy as it sounds. It's not just a matter of cutting and pasting the Career section into a new Career of LeBron James article; editors will need to summarize the existing content into a new Career section here, being careful not to trim so much as to lose context but without going into too much detail (which in my opinion on this particular article, is partly the excessive listing of specific game statistics – we can say he earned a triple double without listing each stat, for example).
So it's not an insignificant task to take on, which I suppose is why it hasn't happened yet. If you think you're up to the task, have at it – though I'd recommend working on it in a sandbox and getting feedback and consensus here before implementing any large changes to the article itself. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:22, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
ill wait for more feedback then do it. I cant do it next period I have because they block every single website.  YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
His main notability is his career.  There's no benefit to readers to see a couple paragraphs summarizing his career, just to have to go to another page to read about his career.  WP:NOTDIARY is the problem. Editorial decisions need to be made to not mention every triple-double, 40-point game, ESPN "first" stat, etc. —Bagumba (talk) 19:31, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
Fair point regarding the reason for his notability, though I had in mind something more substantial than a couple paragraphs. I was thinking more along the lines of what we have at Cristiano Ronaldo (combined career section of ~5,400 words, still fairly sizable but not overwhelmingly so) and Career of Cristiano Ronaldo (over 13,000 words, which is also probably too long, but you get my point). LeBron's career is currently in the area of 9,400 words, for comparison. I also agree that WP:NOTDIARY is the main issue. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:09, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
The WP:DETAIL guideline for summary style says: The parent article should have general summary information like a lead, and child articles should expand in more detail on subtopics summarized in the parent article.  So lets say 4–5 paragraphs max, which is still too short for his main bio.  Is there a GA/FA example of this for an athlete's career? —Bagumba (talk) 20:58, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
So I'm reading the "like" in The parent article should have general summary information like a lead, as meaning "it summarizes similar to how a lead summarizes a full article", not that it needs to be "like a lead" in that it should only be 4–5 paragraphs max. With that interpretation, the situation at Ronaldo's article is a viable option. With that said, a quick look through FAs of particularly notable athletes didn't show any "Career of x" articles linked as hatnotes, so perhaps my suggestion isn't considered ideal. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 21:19, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
Well, further on in that guideline it says See MOS:LEADLENGTH for recommendations on the size of an article summary. so never mind I guess, ha. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 21:40, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
So can I make a new article or not? YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 15:16, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I propose that the section about LeBrons NBA Carrer be split into a separate page called [[LeBrons NBA Carrer]]. The content of the section is only marginally related to the main article, and this section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page. ~~~~ YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 15:23, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Im following what it says to do on Wikipedia: splitting YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 15:24, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
@DrOrinScrivello, Bagumba,  and ...: YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 15:26, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
'''Support''' – <Split because it is long enough for it to be its own article on its own> ~~~~ YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 15:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
Oppose per Talk:LeBron_James#Should_we_split (above).  It needs trimming, not kicking the can and splitting.—Bagumba (talk) 16:13, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
Oppose per above. The article has too much detail and needs to be trimmed, not split. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
Oppose per above discussion. It seems like we're leaning more towards a consensus to at least trim "stat cruft" from the career section, which would probably be a better start. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
Damn. 3-1 oppose YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 16:52, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
Something that is already a separate page, The Decision (TV program), is still currently taking up 500+ words in his bio.  That seems like an opportunity to summarize and trim 200–300 words, and yet lose nothing in overall Wikipedia content. —Bagumba (talk) 08:31, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
So you oppose? YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 13:47, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
Oppose Quite literally, James’ NBA career is the core of his notability, not a side article. Rikster2 (talk) 16:08, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
Oppose agree with these comments. It's the hard work of editing that needs to be done. --E bailey (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2025 (UTC)