# Talk:Meghan, Duchess of Sussex

The name of this article is neither the subject's legal name nor her common name and I propose changing it to "Meghan Markle" which is her common name and also a name she is legally entitled to use.
Per the Canadian government section on "Style of Address": "As the former Meghan Markle, “Princess Meghan”, “Meghan, Duchess of Sussex” or “Meghan” may be heard informally, but are not used officially."[2] She is correctly known as the Duchess of Sussex. Conveniently, that page redirects here.
I will put in a move request, but would appreciate any feedback. TFD (talk) 02:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I think it is an odd thing to be fixated on, when 'Duchess of Sussex' is commonname (there is often not just one) and chosen name. Nor is it a surprise, when her husband and children are known as Sussex. Also, to rule on legal name for a BLP is another odd matter and Markle also is redirect and easy to find here too. Your link appears to not work or go to the right place, but as it is recognizing it is former name, it also seems no reason to move. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
I did not rule on what her legal name was, but provided a reliable source. (The link now works.)
Are you saying that the article should be moved to "Duchess of Sussex?" TFD (talk) 17:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
duchess of Sussex is fine to redirect here.  Are you saying you object to putting Meghan with it? Your source does not object or seem offended by it, indeed it recognizes it might regularly be used. I don't think that source is discussing legal name at all nor would it, as it is discussing a matter of style in Canada and she is a resident of California who married in the UK.  Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
What criteria do you think should used for naming this article and which name best meets them? TFD (talk) 17:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
The status quo is fine, it was no real surprise when it was chosen and it has served fine in the six years since. It is acceptable as commonname, and avoids former name.Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
The name is perfectly fine and follows the guidelines set by WP:CONSISTENT (other examples include Catherine, Princess of Wales, Sophie, Duchess of Edinburgh, Diana, Princess of Wales, Sarah, Duchess of York, Birgitte, Duchess of Gloucester, Katharine, Duchess of Kent). Wikipedia is not bound to follow legal principles and choose legal names as article titles, otherwise Lady Gaga's page would have been titled Stefani Germanotta. Additionally, we should not be fixing things that aren't broken. The current title has been in use for a long time now and was agreed upon through several RMs, the links to which can be found at the top of this page. There is also the matter of MOS:IDENTITY. The subject herself prefers to utilize her title and has not used the surname Markle since her marriage, a family name that is incidentally associated with her birth family from whom she's estranged. I don't know where this obsession with shoving maiden names down both Meghan and Catherine's throats comes from. Keivan.fTalk 03:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
@The Four Deuces The Duchess of Sussex is correct. There is only one style that is currently correct in most circumstances. Living in the United States does not change that. Meghan, Duchess of Sussex would be correct IF she and Harry were to divorce but since they aren't it is totally inappropriate. also there is only one "The Duchess of..." at any one time and that is indicated by the all important three letter word, THE. 174.115.161.45 (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
This is so true, people are constantly making this mistake and she even does it on her own Instagram. If you’re going to use a title for yourself or you’re going talk about someone with a title, it is nice to get the styling right. 2A01:B340:85:40D1:693A:D7D5:1EC:B198 (talk) 14:50, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
She is The Duchess of Sussex and is referred to as The Duchess of Sussex or Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Sussex officially. However, when you pair the title with a name, so Meghan, the "The" is generally omitted because the name of the titleholder is revealed, and thus by knowing can indicate that she is The Duchess of Sussex. Until Diana and Charles' divorce in the 90s, Diana was officially The Princess of Wales and it changed officially to Diana, Princess of Wales after the divorce. There isn't really a "correctness" to what Wikipedia says as it should remain consistent and accurate to their notability no matter what the official title of someone is. We can't just name Catherine's page "The Princess of Wales" or Sophie's page "The Duchess of Edinburgh"... It's really a matter of precedent and what is traditionally used, rather than the implications of the literal meaning that a page title may make. It's the exact reason that we have a title section on pages, too, even for members of the nobility. Rexophile (talk) 02:07, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Her legal paperwork says “HRH THE DUCHESS OF SUSSEX”. What is the problem other than the common hate for this woman I see all over the internet from a certain group of people? She lives in the US but is allowed to have a title as a Royal Princess of the UK due to her marriage to Prince Harry. There are several royals who live or go to school here and I don’t see these requests all the time to have them drop their titles. Lady Meg (talk) 00:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
Strong Oppose Per WP:CONSORTS: Living or recently deceased royal consorts are referred to by their present name and title, as with Queen Letizia of Spain and Queen Rania of Jordan. The same applies to living former consorts (sometimes these will have a different title indicating their status as Queen Mother, Queen Dowager, or the like). She also chooses to go by Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Wallis Simpson's page title uses a forename and surname because she has been deceased for quite some time. Rexophile (talk) 01:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
I am new to this, so don’t know Wikipedia talk works: but the “hate” is subjective. Yes there are some trolls but people have right to have a problem with her using her title as she doing for per profit & has been seen to use HRH (and allowing it to be posted on the friends podcast) which is clearly against what was agreed with the royal family. I notice too the article doesn’t address much of criticism about her, it is possible to give a fair and respectful report on the criticisms given to her especially around the titles. Also, the title of the article is wrong, only divorced wives of a Duke drop “the” from the Duchess of ___ part. 2A01:B340:85:40D1:693A:D7D5:1EC:B198 (talk) 14:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
We cannot have articles titled "The Queen", "The Princess of Wales" or "The Duchess of Sussex" as there have been other women throughout history who have carried those titles. The inclusion of the first name is the only way we can disambiguate between them while maintaining a degree of consistency. It was the community's consensus to have "the" removed from the titles, which is why we have Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn instead of Prince Arthur, the Duke of Connaught and Strathearn. Keivan.fTalk 16:16, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
I would support a move to "Meghan Markle" on grounds of WP:COMMONNAME. cagliost (talk) 08:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

This is an entirely unfair claim as if this were the case, we would move Diana, Princess of Wales to Princess Diana, Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon to Princess Margaret, and Catherine, Princess of Wales to Catherine (or Kate) Middleton. Like I stated above, Meghan also clearly chooses to use her title in all aspects of her life and the current title is consistent with every other consort of a British prince du sang with a peerage title. Rexophile (talk) 01:47, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
If you look above you will see that this article has been the subject of several move requests, the most recent in 2021.  I advise against re-opening this hardy perennial, but if you recently want to do so then at the very least you would need to raise a formal move request. PatGallacher (talk) 19:48, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

The redirect Sussexes settle in California has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 April 25 § Sussexes settle in California until a consensus is reached.  estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:38, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Add to the 'Titles, styles and arms' section the following:

Charles III gave Meghan the nickname 'Tungsten' due to her resilience and toughness.[[3]][[4]][[5]] Timjhh (talk) 06:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Seems like this would be undue weight to include, but if there is consensus otherwise we can add. meamemg (talk) 15:57, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

The redirect Princess Meg has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 13 § Princess Meg until a consensus is reached.  DrKay (talk) 08:10, 13 November 2025 (UTC)