# Talk:Layer Pyramid

Although I am not a native speaker of Arabic and there may be a degree of cultural understanding involved in the etymology but I understand that the term 'haram' is not specific and is a pretty common term in Islam translating to 'forbidden' or 'taboo'. As in the case of the Islamic terrorist group in Mali: 'Boko Haram' which literally means 'Westerner/foreign forbidden'.
It seems in all these articles about pyramids where a local Arabic phrase is given the translation of 'al-haram' is given as 'pyramid'.
I'm not an Arabic speaker but I'm trying to understand the reason for the translation? Obviously these places are considered non-Islamic or to be avoided, but how does this end up as 'pyramid'?

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Layer Pyramid's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "lehner":
From Pyramid of Khendjer: Mark Lehner: The Complete Pyramids. (London:Thames and Hudson Ltd.) ISBN 0-500-05084-8
From Pyramid of Khui: Mark Lehner, The Complete Pyramids, Thames & Hudson, ISBN 978-0-500-28547-3, p. 164

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:40, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Layer Pyramid/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: MusikAnimal (talk · contribs) 17:50, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Three months is quite a wait! I'll be taking on this review over the next day or two. I will post feedback along the way. — MusikAnimal talk 17:50, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

MusikAnimal thanks I am looking forward to your comments! Iry-Hor (talk) 19:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
@Iry-Hor: I've been unexpectedly busy the past two days, and looks like I may not get to this review until Sunday. I apologize for the delay! I'm actually participating in the GA Cup, clearly I'm not off to good start  In the meantime I might be observed doing RCP work as that doesn't require dedicated attention and thoroughness like a GA review does. Just wanted to keep you updated, and for you know I haven't forgotten about this. Cheers — MusikAnimal talk 15:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
No worries, take your time! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:01, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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This is not something that to me is required for to meet WP:GA?, but in general we should try to keep citations out of the lead, as the verifiable content is duplicated in the body. Exceptions of course include material likely to be challenged or direct quotes. More at WP:CITELEAD.
Y I have removed the citations from the lead as there is nothing likely to be challenged in it. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Last sentence of the lead, "baring modern excavations of the site", did you perhaps mean "barring" and not "baring"?
Y Yes typo! Thanks for pointing it out. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
In Research history, "Around 40 years later, in 1886 ... discovered in 1896 by Jacques de Morgan". This is unclear. Are we implying Maspero was unable to find the entrance, which was discovered 10 years later? How about wording it like "Around 40 years later, in 1886, Gaston Maspero unsuccessfully searched for the entrance of the subterranean passages of the pyramid, which was discovered in 1896 by Jacques de Morgan".
Y Your sentence is indeed clearer, I have implemented it in the article as you advocated. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
In Research history, "Shortly after, in 1910 - 1911 ...", MOS:DASH likes en dashes, and to be consistent with other ranges in the article, let's remove the spacing. So we should have "1910–1911".
Y Done! Iry-Hor (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Next sentence, "... subterranean galleries they report is in disagreement", shouldn't that be "are in disagreement"?
Y Yes the numbers are in disagreement, corrected! Iry-Hor (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Next sentence, "... consequently no excavation have been undertaken", "has been undertaken"?
Y Yes you are right, corrected! Iry-Hor (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
"This opinion is shared by most egyptologists who attribute the layer pyramid to Khaba" This appears to be the only unsourced claim in this article. It seems more along the lines of WP:LIKELY, so if we're unable to find a source to support it I'd remove it altogether.
So I am not against removing it but it is really the case that the majority of specialists believe the pyramid belong to Khaba. I have put the references where this identification is made, it includes the following egyptologists: Ian Shaw, Jaromir Malek, Georges Reisner, Clarence Fisher, Jean-Philippe Lauer, Rainer Stadelmann, Miroslav Verner, Dows Dunham, Mark Lehner. This is nearly all egyptologists who did research on the pyramid (the others including Barsanti just refrain from any attribution). To quote J. Malek on the matter (here is the quote), "[the layer pyramid] is assigned with some probability, though without certainty, to Khaba". I have modified the sentence to "Most scholars today believe that it was likely king Khaba of the late 3rd Dynasty" as a consequence. Let me know if this suits you. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Sounds good to me! — MusikAnimal talk
— MusikAnimal talk 21:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Y Great work! I believe all the criteria has been met and hereby promote this article to GA status. Congratulations! — MusikAnimal talk 02:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

MusikAnimal Thank you for your comments, one more GA on wikipedia! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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