# Talk:FIFA World Cup Trophy

Australia has never won the World Cup... so I removed that bit. And it's 'shoebox' or 'shoe box' but never 'shoe-box'. Check your own Wikipedia.

The various online sources I have looked at seem very confused about some of the details of the trophy. Some say it weighed 3.8 kg, others 1.82 kg (quite a difference!). Some say it was solid gold, others gold-plated silver (though the Brazilian replica appears to be definitely gold-plated silver). I have left both these details unchanged in the hope that someone can come up with something definitely authoritative.
Also, though the majority seem agreed that Barassi was VP of FIFA, some say that he was President of the Italian Football Federation (I suppose he could have been both.) Vilĉjo 17:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The best online authority I can find is probably the official fifaworldcup.com, which gives the weight and composition as here.Vilĉjo 18:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
How come there is no picture of the Jules Rimet Trophy here? It looks like the current trophy is the Jules Rimet trophy because it is placed next to that paragraph. This page should qualify for a "fair use" picture too. Witty lama 14:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep. There appears to be a contradiction when one compares the second and third paragraphs of the article. Second paragraph: "The trophy, originally named Victory, but later renamed in honour of former FIFA president Jules Rimet, was made of gold plated sterling silver..."  Third paragraph: "Designed by Abel Lafleur and made of solid gold.." Which is it? Solid or plated? Fair enough if there is some confusion, but - until fixed - this should perhaps be mentioned in the article: "thought to be either solid gold or gold-plated silver, on a lapis lazuli base..." Otherwise readers might get, er, confused.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.33.254 (talk) 21:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Is the cup really eight-sided (octagonal)? I think it is tensided. On the picture (the German wiki article has one) we see clerly tree sides pointing forward. Then, near the hands of Nike (The Hand of a Goddess...) we see an edge. Were the cup eigthsided, near the hands would be no edge, it would be a single plate. So: on the front side we see five plates, and on the backside five different ones. That makes ten. The foot of the trophy is eightsided, but that's nog where they played for. It's ten-sided. -DePiep 12:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The article says the regarding the engraved winner's name: The text runs like "— 2002 Brasil", i.e. in English.. It's either in English ("Brazil") or it's in the winning teams's language ("Brasil"). Which is it? Tonywalton  | Talk 08:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right. It is in English, "Brazil". As every winners name is. I saw a picture on the BBC-site (could not refind; I misspesseld). But we at my home here do not say Brazil in English. We say something like Bwazieuw. Just for the fun. I'll correct the article, not my fun ;-). -DePiep 21:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it's in the language of the winning team. There's a link to a picture of the bottom side in the German article and there's no doubt that "Deutschland" is engraved and not "Germany".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.45.191.194 (talk) 09:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Seems to be in the language of the winning team's country: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41403000/jpg/_41403689_worldcup416.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.243.91.229 (talk) 06:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Sombody keeps messing with names and dates on this article. Suggest people keep an eye on it and maybe protect the lage for a while. Big in albania 11:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
yea i agree, i thaught it was solid silver with gold plate not just solid gold, although i may be wrong. User:fwed66 14:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm rather new to this; I'm not yet a registered user. I tried my first edit yesterday, correcting a mistake in the table of winners, near the bottom of this page. 
In that table, the line for Brazil was incorrect: 3|5 (should be (3|2|5) and the line for Uruguay is was incorrect 3|3|6 (which should be 2|0|2, as Uruguay
have only won twice, not six times!). Then a few minutes later my change was changed back to the original version by Physicq210 using some kind
of "anti-vandal" device? However, my edit was a correction, not vandalism! Perhaps I am misunderstanding how it works. Are any edits made by
casual users automatically classified as vandalism (even if they are genuine corrections) and immediately removed?
Also - the table headings; Trophy||FIFA World Cup||Total, don't really line up properly with the columns (and these headings should be:
Jules Rimet Trophy, FIFA World Cup Trophy, Total.

The article names Bertoni (Milan) as the manufactorer of the  FIFA W.C. (about 1974). But the Italian Designer Flaminio Bertoni died in 1964. He did design the Citroën DS and 2CV (thanks, Flame). How does this name appear here? Is this to be corrected? -DePiep 20:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Solved: FIFA writes that Bertoni was the manufacturer, i.e. a factory. Not the person Flaminio Bertoni then: [1]. -DePiep 19:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The article mentions how the Jules Rimet trophy was given to Brazil after their third victory and also states no one can win the new one outright but is not particularly clear on why the Jules Rimet trophy was given to Brazil. Did the original FIFA rules from the 30s say that the first team to win it 3 times would get to keep it or was this decided later or what? Nil Einne 14:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I reviewed the article and I believe it has what a good article should have. It is easy to understand, well written, has references (but could have some more), no POV statements, it's stable and contains images to illustrate. Congratulations on the good work--Serte * Talk * Contribs 18:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Shortly before the 2006 FIFA World Cup in Germany, the trophy was briefly returned to Italy for restoration before eventually being awarded to the same country. On 14 July 2006 it was reported that The World Cup Trophy appeared to have been broken after being in Italy's hands for only a few days. Fabio Cannavaro, Italy's captain, was photographed holding a piece of green malachite that had broken off the base, which was subsequently glued back into place.
Brazil gave the original trophy back to FIFA in December 2005, short before the draw, then it was delivered to Gazzaniga for restoration, because it was damaged during celebrations. Thereafter, FIFA decided not to deliver the original trophy to the winner anymore, delivering only a replica. So, the cup supposed to be damaged is the replica: the original trophy is in FIFA headquarter since July 10th, 2006. --Tooby 14:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I confirm that the Trophy delivered to Italy is just a copy, the original trophy was delivered, after the new rules of FIFA, only for the celebrations in the stadium after the final match.There are interview that say the cup was collected by FIFA in the same time that tha players came back in the dressing room of stadium.So I ask: who can change the false informations written on this entry?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.66.17 (talk) 22:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC) 
Hey Jade smith from sallie  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.230.113 (talk) 16:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC) 

Hi, I desire to comment this: Following the tradition from the Italian soccer team´s champions where the winner team´s shirt shows a little shield with the Italian flag Scudetto and the UEFA badge of honour the Italy national football team shirt above the shield badge (the crest of the talian Football Federation shows a little golden shield with a image of the FIFA World Cup trophy and the legend FIFA World Champions [[2]]--Nekko09 (talk) 03:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:FIFA World Cup Trophy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.
I will do the GA Reassessment on this article as part of the GA Sweeps project.  H1nkles (talk) 14:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm concerned about a couple of the references.  Link 2 goes to a news webpage but not to any specific article referenced here.  Also ref 9 is a dead link.  These two will need to be addressed.  
The lead is good, a little sparse given some of the new information in the article but I think it covers the subject reasonably.  The writing is good, images are good, article is stable, MOS compliance is ok.  I fixed one of the references and I rewrote the new trophy design paragraph to give it a little more detail and flow.  I also added referencing to help augment the citations.  I think more could be added, including a reference for the winners section.  At this point though I will keep it as GA with the hope that an editor will take up the mantle to keep the article current and at GA standards.  H1nkles (talk) 15:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed "West Germany" was the common name for Bundesrepublik Deutchland - as a contrast to Deutche Democratischer Republik (where now "Democratischer" came from) or "East Germany". But there really was no formal unification of these both countries in 1990. Instead the former G.D.R ("East Germany") became a part of B.R.D. ("West Germany"). So today's Germany is infact still the same nation as before 1990, just six Bundesländer or countries larger. I'm not quite sure how to count "West Germany" and today's "Germany". Lets pretend they win the World Cup next summer. Shall we then state that "West Germany has 3 titles and Germany 1" or "Germany has 4 titles" ? (All four will in that case have been won by B.R.D.). I simply raise the question. Thoughts ? Boeing720 (talk) 04:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

On UK TV (ITV) tonight they said four!  I wait to see what the general consensus of other pundits is! Trevor Marron (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry...having issues logging in. It's four because it is the same federation. It's kind of the reverse of Scotland & Wales, which have zero despite a federation (England) within the same country (United Kingdom) winning in 1966. In short, it's federation titles, not Independent Nation titles. That said, I think the title for the FIFA World Cup tally should probably say "West Germany/Germany" instead of just "Germany" 74.93.56.17 (talk) 16:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Somebody corrected by referring only to "Germany". I suggest to use "West Germany/Germany" in every case: the football federation - the entity that actually participated to Fifa tournaments - and the State (Frg/Brd) were the same, but the territory consistantly different.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.75.77.49 (talk) 05:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC) 

Please stop using fantasy country names like "West Germany". There was never a country called "West Germany" and the FIFA World Cup was won four times by the German National Football Team playing for the German Football Assocoation (DFB) representing the same country: The Federal Republic of Germany (Bundesrepublik Deutschland), which was founded in 1949 and didn't change because the GDR joined the federal republic in 1990. If you really want to distinguish between the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic, which is not really necessary in this context, IMHO, just use the full country name (Federal Republic of Germany), which is reasonable and historically correct. Something like "West Germany/Germany" is just insane, sorry! Tk2342 (talk) 06:59, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
The English Wikipedia's policy is to use the COMMON NAME in English - which is West Germany. All our articles on the subject, such as West Germany, West German federal election, 1949 even West German Audio Book Library for the Blind use it, if you try to look at our article Federal Republic of Germany (1949-1990), you will find it is just a redirect to West Germany.We may well be insane, but that is the adopted policy, and you need to follow it. Please do not start changing things contrary to policy, because you think the policy is wrong, that is also called vandalism. - Arjayay (talk) 10:16, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't we change the policy if it contains errors like this? Shouldn't we stop making it worse and instead improving the quality of articles and start using historically correct terms? In this article we had listed 'West Germany' as the world cup winners of 1954, 1974 and 1990 and then as a separate item 'Germany' as winners of 2014. Isn't that just insane? It's the same country, it hasn't even changed its name, it was called 'Bundesrepublik Deutschland' (Federal Republic of Germany) when it won the world cup in 1954, 1974, 1990 and also in 2014. Why should we continue with this mess, just because someone did a mistake in the past a put it into a policy?It's even more funny when you look at the at the bottom of the trophy this article is about: It has 'Deutschland' engraved for all four german world cup wins, not something artificial someone has put into Wikipedia policys. Tk2342 (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
By the way: I don't see COMMON NAME stating something about calling the Federal Republic of Germany 'West Germany' in the time between 1949 and 1990. There is also nothing mentioned on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Germany/Conventions. Just ask yourself why there is no german version of West Germany, instead the interwiki link goes to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland_%28bis_1990%29 (History of the Federal Republic of Germany (until 1990). West Germany is also a good example of articles which should get fixed, as its falsely implying there was a country called 'West Germany'. Tk2342 (talk) 15:00, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry you all have to chill.
You have to recall the fact that we are living in a world that is ruled by anglo-american politic speak.
They like it simple. So for 40 years them made it East and West Germany, East and West Berlin. Them wanted to put simple words for their 'breaking news'.
How about us Germans?
Are we not talking about North and South Korea, or China and Taiwan? This is anglo-american propaganda speak.
What is Korea? I wd still see it as one (1) country. China and Taiwan? I do not know. From Taiwans view they are a country.
From China's view not (as also Tibet btw.)
North Korea's own personal given name is: Democratic People's Republic of Korea
South(!) Korea just calls itself: Korea
So why are we talking about North and South Korea in the news (even in Germany)?
Because it's propoganda.
The only way out wd be to give the tiltle holder the name of the football federation. Which
in Germany's case is DFB (Deutscher Fußball Bund).
I do not think that an article in WIKI is correct if propaganda names aer used, instead of the national football federation.
Merci!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.155.102 (talk) 08:12, 23 May 2018 (UTC) 

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Walter, yes, clearer, because laying it out lets you see at a glance what the sequence was. When I first looked at it, I thought it was saying that the last team to win the Jules Rimet trophy was England. Then I realized it was because Brazil 1970 was at the top. SarahSV (talk) 01:33, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

After thinking about it, a table is probably a better choice, and we should avoid WP:REPEATLINKS. I can mock-up a sample of what I was thinking. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:30, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. SarahSV (talk) 04:19, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

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The original trophy was indeed a cup that could hold liquid in the hollow at the top. The replacement does not - so why is it still called the "World Cup"? 2.31.164.79 (talk) 08:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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-> Winners
It says that Portugal won 2026, 2030 and that Sudan won 2034. 213.28.224.88 (talk) 20:38, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I think we should make a distinction between the Winners of the FIFA World Cup trophy proper (the current one) and the Winners of the Jules Rimet Cup, since they’re different trophies, evn doesn’t share the same name. 
Argentina and Germany are the two nations with most FIFA World Cup proper tropy, having won it 3 times each.
Then Brazil, France and Italy have won it 2 times each; and Spain only 1 time. 190.194.138.253 (talk) 21:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

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It turns out that only winning players and managers, heads of state, and FIFA officials are allowed to touch the trophy with bare hands. I added a sentence about this to the list of winning players and to the freshly promoted featured list of winning managers, but the latter edit was reverted by NapHit, who saw this information as irrelevant and trivia. While I see the point, I still find this an interesting detail that is not completely devoid of notability. Does it bear mentioning in this article? Note that it is trivia sections, and not trivia itself, that the guidelines prohibit. --Theurgist (talk) 11:44, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

It's more relevant in this article than in either of the other two articles, as this one is about the trophy itself. It's within the scope of the manager's list, for example, as that's explicitly about the mangers who won the World Cup. Whether they can touch or not is superfluous to the scope of the article. I'd say it could be included here, but others might disagree. NapHit (talk) 10:46, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I've added a sentence. --Theurgist (talk) 23:12, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

"As of 2022, twelve winners have been engraved on the base" - shouldn't that now be thirteen, assuming Argentina have now been added as last year's winners? Mark and inwardly digest (talk) 07:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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