# Talk:Jenova Chen

I just read about this guy in Wired and was surprised he doesn't have a page yet.  Flow is pretty fun, and I'm looking forward to trying out Clouds.
Can somebody explain why this is nominated for speedy deletion?? Bannus 17:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

All the information from this page can also be found on Jenova Chen's Website, which is linked to by the flOw Page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.79.193.84 (talk) 15:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC) 

That's some pretty backwards logic, there, captain. Information on Wikipedia is REQUIRED to be found in other sources, that's what the citations are for. To say that an article is useless because the information can be found elsewhere is like saying that McDonalds is useless because food can be found elsewhere.69.26.207.224 (talk) 05:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jenova Chen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
GA review (see here for criteria)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 
Prose looks very nice, if a bit personal. Lead summarises well.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
References seem fine, if only his interviews/personal thoughts are given too much credit. I am not too familiar with designer articles, so ignore this if they are generally like that.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
Covers all expected parts - bio, games, employment, personal insight.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 
Again relating to references, has a lot of weight to his opinions.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 

Creative director can be linked, also capitalization may be unnecessary? E.g. you wouldn't capitalize lead programmer of senior designer. It's also not capitalized later.
independent video game developer can be linked, currently to independent video game development
...had been downloaded over 650,000 times.[8][5] -- refs in wrong order.
...you to be embraced by nature".[16] -- period should be inside quote, as a stop to full quoted sentence.
focused on specific goals, In Journey Chen intends -- lowercase for "In"
Journey has not yet received a projected release date. -- Journey in italics
"Chen feels that he cannot perfectly relate to either culture as a game designer." -- "perfectly"? I think this should better be "fully" or similar.
"As such, he instead of trying to make games that fit perfectly with one culture (, he) tries to make games" -- "he" is very far from the actual verb.
"Chen in 2007" -- I think image needs a more explicit caption -- where is he exactly?
Also a weird tag at File:Jenova Chen 2009.jpg.
Without picking too much at prose, seems like a decent article as far as indie designers go. Note that, although I've given comments at FACs before, I haven't done GANs, so point out if I've neglected/messed something up. Thanks!
Reviewer: —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 18:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
May be Flower's Jenova Chen doesn't play new games, wants to explore 'feelings' can be also used to strengthen the refs. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 18:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing! I've addressed all of your prose-related points. As to the images- the infobox image has that tag because I pulled it in from flickr but there wasn't any indication that the flickr user took the photo themselves. I asked them to send in an OTRS ticket on that, but since they haven't responded I've now just removed that image before it gets deleted tomorrow. The caption comment isn't as applicable now that the 2007 photo is the infobox, but in any case there is no information- I know that (purportedly) Vincent Diamante, the composer for Flower, took the photo, and that it was in 2007. I would presume that it's in the thatgamecompany offices during Flower's development, but there's no proof of that.
As to the weight given to his opinions, that's standard for a designer. Besides the biographical facts, you generally give what his opinions are related to game design, though not those related to other things.
Let me know if there's anything else that you think needs changed. --PresN 20:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I think the infobox is a bit lacking (the same is missing in prose).

|known_for= and |notable_works= -- thatgamecompany, may be his games
|birth_date= -- it doesn't say when he was born
Nationality and residence -- I presume Chinese and L.A.?
also |website= -- http://www.jenovachen.com/
—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know when he was born, nor do I know what country his passport is from- he lives in LA still, but I don't know if he's a Chinese citizen or an American one. Added in known_for, notable_works, residence and website to the infobox; all of that information is also in prose (well, just added the residence bit). --PresN 20:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Well, looks good to me. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Thatgamecompany's Facebook page says Chen's birthdate is October 8. Obviously, a secondary source is preferred, but it's a place to start. czar · · 17:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Does anyone else have the impression that the article (particularly the first and last paragraphs of the lede) read a bit like an advertisement? It's not egregious, and it seems to all be appropriately sourced to reliable sources, but nevertheless it does have a gushy, praising tone that doesn't feel quite encyclopedic to me. Would it be worthwhile to attempt to tone it down a bit? rʨanaɢ (talk) 12:41, 27 April 2022 (UTC)