# Talk:Musa al-Kazim

The tone is partisan and completely out of character, it's filled with paragraphs that do not belong on an encyclopedia article and feels like a religious polemic  (i.e. his "arguments" and examples of his kindness). There is little to no neutral facts. Almost the entire article needs to be rewritten. AbbasHawazin (talk) 08:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Correct  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.145.91 (talk) 16:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC) 

I'm hoping to address some of the issues with the article in the coming weeks. Albertatiran (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Albertatiran. I am going to work on this article as the next good article. I hope it is OK with you. Ghazaalch (talk) 05:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ghazaalch, thanks for this. Yes, that's alright with me. I'm also back after a couple of weeks and will finish the edits to Ali al-Hadi soon. Albertatiran (talk) 11:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello Albertatiran, I read your revised version. Thanks for your great work. Just a few comments:
The readers may like to know the subject of the "intercede" in "...visited the caliph in Rakka to intercede for his son, al-Fadl.[1]"
In the sentence "...as a place where prayers are fulfilled or bab al-hawaij","bab al-hawaij" is an adjective/noun but you used it as a verb.
the subsection "Redemptive suffering" may not be WP:DUE, since it is a fringe idea in Shia thought, though its similarity to the redemptive suffering of Jesus Christ may have been interesting to some to mention it in their writings.
Ghazaalch (talk) 09:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi Ghazaalch! Thanks for the comments. I've (hopefully) addressed the first two in the article. As for the third one, I agree that there is a similar concept in Christianity but redemptive suffering is also common among the Shia, who often hold that the Ahl al-Bayt suffered injustice and were rewarded with the power of intercession for their followers in return. This redemption though may not extend to all followers, say, those who don't pray, etc. If you're not convinced, it's ok with me to remove that subsection altogether. That wouldn't affect the rest of the article... Albertatiran (talk) 09:07, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello Albertatiran. Let it be or ask for a third opinion. I have no problem with it being in the article. Good luck with the nomination.Ghazaalch (talk) 04:45, 8 June 2023 (UTC)