# Talk:Cordyline australis

Why revert my edit regarding the Torbay palm?  You will find that the most common name for this plant in the UK is Torbay palm, and very few have ever heard of the NZ cabbage tree. --Apathetic 09:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have reverted to your edit. It does appear to be known as the Torbay palm. Alan Liefting 09:36, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've lived in Britain and been deeply interested in trees all my life, and had never heard of this usage before I saw it posted here. It most definitely isn't the commonest name (all the UK tree books call it Cabbage Tree), and most definitely isn't used throughout the UK. At best, it is a very local mis-naming by a small number of poorly educated people who don't know the difference between Agavaceae and Arecaceae. If it is going to be listed as a UK common name, then 'That Spiky Thing' should also be listed as a common name, it is used far more often. - MPF 10:24, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In Cornwall it is called the Cornish palm; it looks as if Torbay palm is what they call it in Devon.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 03:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Lots of people refer to them as "palm trees" in the UK, I never knew their true name till I went to New Zealand a few years back. But you dont see them here in the Midlands anymore, they were all killed in December 2010 when the average temperature was below freezing for the whole month. Ten years ago there were lots of mature ones after a succesion of unusually mild winters, but they are not truly hardy in all the UK. Now they are only found near the coasts, at least away from the southernmost parts. Walshie79 (talk) 16:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

This has been moved from 'Cabbage Tree' to 'Cabbage Tree (Cordyline australis)' to 'Cordyline australis' over the last year, and it seems to me that 'Cabbage Tree' is by far the most commonly used name and the correct title for the article. Opinions?
Ziggurat 22:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Cabbage tree is a disambiguation page between three different plants commonly called this. It would not be appropriate to move the article to Cabbage Tree (currently a redirect to the dab page), or to appropriate the name entirely for this species. I think leaving it with the scientific name is fine.-gadfium 00:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, interesting. I see your point, and I certainly don't want to introduce a NZ-centric bias, but it seems that the current title of this article uses a highly uncommon and (to the general reader) unrecognisable name, and this is the only name that will appear in categories. It's a classic precision vs. common name conflict, so perhaps an alternative solution would be moving it to Cabbage Tree (New Zealand)? A quick check of ghits indicates 241,000 for "Cabbage Tree" Zealand and 63,800 for "Cordyline australis". Ziggurat 01:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with Cabbage Tree (New Zealand).-gadfium 01:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Generally, where there's any problem with the english name, the page is best placed at the scientific name, rather than a cumbersome bracketed title. Actually, there's a strong move to have all plants at scientific names, because so many common names have multiple uses, and so many species have multiple common names. I propose moving this page back to the scientific name - MPF 00:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't feel that the bracketing is cumbersome, but regardless in this instance it seems like a bad choice to have the scientific name only, when such a name would be unrecognisable to the general reader, especially with regards to things like the efficacity of categories. As much as I prefer the scientific outlook, it seems that using a specialist term is biasing the title towards scientific definitions over cultural and sociological ones, and that runs against Wikipedia aiming to be a general encyclopedia (similar to the points made here). Excuse me if I moved this too soon (no objections were raised in the last three days), but if it is moved back I think these points need to be addressed. Is there a relevant policy discussion or conclusion on this topic? Ziggurat 00:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Just letting you know that I am doing a rewrite and expansion of this article, and am just about ready to copy it over.Kahuroa (talk) 09:49, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Nice work! Have you considered nominating it for "Did you know..."? --Avenue (talk) 08:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Hadn't thought about that actually, but sounds like a plan. Cheers. Kahuroa (talk) 12:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
This should definitely go to WP:GAN too, if not WP:FAC - great work! 131.111.30.21 (talk) 14:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Cheers, I've just nominated it at GAN  Kahuroa (talk) 20:34, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Wo! It's a GA!!Kahuroa (talk) 18:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cordyline australis/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I will copyedit as I go and make straighforward style changes. Please revert if I accidentally change the meaning. I will jot queries down below. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

which are branched to the fourth order. -don't know what this means.
— I've added a diagram showing what fourth-order branching is. Hope that helps. Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
wikilink bract, panicle, inflorescence
— done Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
The nectar attracts "enormous numbers" of insects to the flowers - should be able to use an equivalent term here which doesn't require quotation marks, which is not good for readability.
— Made it: attracts large numbers of insects Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Some of the names are revealing, says Simpson.. - how about "Simpson reports that some of the names reveal (or point to/highlight/tell us/etc.) the characteristics...." - would also be good to note at first instance who simpson is.
— Made it: Botanist Philip Simpson reports that some of the names highlight the characteristics of the tree that were important to Māori — Is that enough intro for Simpson? He worked for the Conservation Department at the time of Sudden Decline and wrote a good book about C. australis. Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
The Habitat serction starts with a quotation - would an intro telling us where the quotation is from help the reader?
— Made it: A quote from Philip Simpson sums up the wide range of habitats the cabbage tree occupied in early New Zealand and how much its abundance and distinctive form shaped the impression travelers received of the country: / "In primeval New Zealand... Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I think I'd sit the Regional diversity subsection under description as it suits there better.
— Yep, done. I had it there at one stage. After I moved it though, the two maps (the natural range one in the taxobox and regional variants one) were closer together and seemed to clash/be cluttery to me - so I have tried using the regional variants map as the range map. I think it works...?? Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
The para starting After nearly five years... - teh first sentence gives a cause and then the second two describe it as unknown. Should the first be moved down so it makes sense chronologically?
— Definitely! I've reorganised the par and put the After nearly five years... at the end. Edited the par a bit for flow. Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think rewording para 2 in the Grazing animals section so it is not a quote would be good. Unnecessary to copy a slab of text like that.
— Yep. I took it out of quotes, pruned and reworded and combined it with the previous par, with some edits for flow. Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
The first para of the Medicine paragraph I think could do with some referencing from medical Review Articles given the claims made. I will have a look later.
— To me the main point is the Māori uses, so if you think it's good to tone down the medical claims, not a worry. Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a dicy one. I played safe and flipped the segment to promote Maori use and reduce the medical info to the safest material - I figure folks can read the medicine pages that are linked if they want to. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Looking good overall though. Not too much to do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

— Appreciate your taking the time to do this review, Casliber Kahuroa (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I think the article is looking pretty good. I checked Web of Science and the following came up - see if anything interesting to add is in any. I might be reduplicating ones already checked. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Title: In vitro culture of Cordyline australis (G. Forst) Endl. 

Author(s): Warchol M, Dubert F, Kusibab T
Source: ACTA BIOLOGICA CRACOVIENSIA SERIES BOTANICA   Volume: 51   Pages: 71-71   Supplement: Suppl. 1   Published: 2009 
Times Cited: 0 

2.  Title: Isolation and characterization of water-soluble prebiotic compounds from Australian and New Zealand plants 

Author(s): Vidanarachchi JK, Iji PA, Mikkelsen LL, et al.
Source: CARBOHYDRATE POLYMERS   Volume: 77   Issue: 3   Pages: 670-676   Published: JUL 11 2009 
Times Cited: 2                [1]

3.  Title: A Morphological and Molecular Investigation of Cordyline Hybrids and Cultivars 

Author(s): Armitage JD, Clarkson JJ
Conference Information: 5th International Symposium on the Taxonomy of Cultivated Plants, OCT 15-19, 2007 Wageningen, NETHERLANDS
Source: PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIFTH INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON THE TAXONOMY OF CULTIVATED PLANTS  Book Series: ACTA HORTICULTURAE   Issue: 799   Pages: 89-95   Published: 2008 
Times Cited: 0 

4.  Title: Potential of direct seeding for establishing native plants into pastoral land in New Zealand 

Author(s): Douglas GB, Dodd MB, Power IL
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY   Volume: 31   Issue: 2   Pages: 143-153   Published: 2007 
Times Cited: 1 

5.  Title: Large scale commercial micropropagation in Mexico. The experience of Agromod, SA de CV 

Author(s): Mastache LCN
Conference Information: 2nd International Symposium on Acclimatization and Establishment of Micropropagated Plants, NOV 22-26, 2004 Mayan Riviera, MEXICO
Source: Proceedings of the Second International Symposium on Acclimatization and Establishment of Micropropagated Plants  Book Series: ACTA HORTICULTURAE   Issue: 748   Pages: 91-94   Published: 2007 
Times Cited: 0 

6.  Title: Rhytidiella hebes sp nov from the subantarctic Auckland Islands 

Author(s): Johnston PR
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 45   Issue: 1   Pages: 151-153   Published: MAR 2007 
Times Cited: 0 

7.  Title: Antioxidant activities of extracts from traditional Maori food plants 

Author(s): Gould KS, Thodey K, Philpott M, et al.
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 44   Issue: 1   Pages: 1-4   Published: MAR 2006 
Times Cited: 0 

8.  Title: Genotypic variation of the flowering phenology of Cordyline australis (Laxmanniaceae) grown at three locations in New Zealand 

Author(s): Harris W, Beever RE, Parkes S, et al.
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 44   Issue: 1   Pages: 23-39   Published: MAR 2006 
Times Cited: 2 

9.  Title: Modern pollen-vegetation relationships along transects on the Whangapoua Estuary, Great Barrier Island, northern New Zealand 

Author(s): Deng YB, Horrocks M, Ogden J, et al.
Source: JOURNAL OF BIOGEOGRAPHY   Volume: 33   Issue: 4   Pages: 592-608   Published: APR 2006 
Times Cited: 5 

10.  Title: Below-ground morphology of Cordyline australis (New Zealand cabbage tree) and its suitability for river bank stabilisation 

Author(s): Czernin A, Phillips C
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 43   Issue: 4   Pages: 851-864   Published: DEC 2005 
Times Cited: 1 

             11.  Title: Consequences of soil compaction for seedling establishment: Implications for natural regeneration and restoration 

Author(s): Bassett IE, Simcock RC, Mitchell ND
Source: AUSTRAL ECOLOGY   Volume: 30   Issue: 8   Pages: 827-833   Published: DEC 2005 
Times Cited: 10 

12.  Title: Vascular flora of Norfolk Island: some additions and taxonomic notes 

Author(s): de Lange PJ, Gardner RO, Sykes WR, et al.
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 43   Issue: 2   Pages: 563-596   Published: JUN 2005 
Times Cited: 9 

13.  Title: Ethriobotanical study of growth of Phormium varieties used for traditional Maori weaving 

Author(s): Harris W, Scheele SM, Brown CE, et al.
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 43   Issue: 1   Pages: 83-118   Published: MAR 2005 
Times Cited: 14 

14.  Title: Genotypic variation of dead leaf retention by Cordyline australis (Lomandraceae) populations and influence on trunk surface temperatures 

Author(s): Harris W, Beever RE, Parkes SL, et al.
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 42   Issue: 5   Pages: 833-845   Published: DEC 2004 
Times Cited: 1 

15.  Title: The vegetation sequence at Whangapoua Estuary, Great Barrier Island, New Zealand 

Author(s): Deng Y, Ogden J, Horrocks M, et al.
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 42   Issue: 4   Pages: 565-588   Published: SEP 2004 
Times Cited: 5 

16.  Title: Genotypic variation of height growth and trunk diameter of Cordyline australis (Lomandraceae) grown at three locations in New Zealand 

Author(s): Harris W, Beever RE, Parkes S, et al.
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 41   Issue: 4   Pages: 637-653   Published: DEC 2003 
Times Cited: 4 

17.  Title: Potential functional foods in the traditional Maori diet 

Author(s): Cambie RC, Ferguson LR
Conference Information: Conference on Dietary and Medicinal Antimutagens and Anticarcinogens - Molecular Mechanisms and Chempreventive Potential, OCT 17-19, 2001 SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA
Source: MUTATION RESEARCH-FUNDAMENTAL AND MOLECULAR MECHANISMS OF MUTAGENESIS   Volume: 523   Special Issue: Sp. Iss. SI   Pages: 109-117   Published: FEB-MAR 2003 
Times Cited: 26 

18.  Title: Genotypic variation of leaf characteristics of wild populations of Cordyline australis (Lomandraceae) in New Zealand 

Author(s): Harris W, Beever RE
Conference Information: Symposium on New Zealand Seeds, NOV 29, 2001 LINCOLN UNIV, CANTERBURY, NEW ZEALAND
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 40   Issue: 3   Pages: 457-472   Published: SEP 2002 
Times Cited: 5 

19.  Title: Ornamental attributes of the natural variants of Cordyline australis 

Author(s): Harris W
Conference Information: 20th International EUCARPIA Symposium - Section Ornamentals, JUL 03-06, 2001 MELLE, BELGIUM
Source: PROCEEDINGS OF THE TWENTIETH INTERNATIONAL EUCARPIA SYMPOSIUM, SECTION ORNAMENTALS: STRATEGIES FOR NEW ORNAMENTALS  Book Series: ACTA HORTICULTURAE   Issue: 552   Pages: 185-193   Published: 2001 
Times Cited: 1 

20.  Title: Structure of fructans from excised leaves of New Zealand flax 

Author(s): Sims IM, Cairns AJ, Furneaux RH
Source: PHYTOCHEMISTRY   Volume: 57   Issue: 5   Pages: 661-668   Published: JUL 2001 
Times Cited: 12 

21.  Title: Variation in response to cold damage by populations of Cordyline australis and of some other species of Cordyline (Lomandraceae) 

Author(s): Harris W, Beever RE, Smallfield B
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 39   Issue: 1   Pages: 147-159   Published: MAR 2001 
Times Cited: 8 

22.  Title: Association of "Candidatus phytoplasma australiense" with sudden decline of cabbage tree in New Zealand 

Author(s): Andersen MT, Beever RE, Sutherland PW, et al.
Source: PLANT DISEASE   Volume: 85   Issue: 5   Pages: 462-469   Published: MAY 2001 
Times Cited: 21 

23.  Title: Genotypic variation of seedlings of wild populations of Cordyline australis (Lomandraceae) in New Zealand 

Author(s): Harris W, Beever RE
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 38   Issue: 4   Pages: 597-608   Published: DEC 2000 
Times Cited: 2 

24.  Title: Phenotypic variation of leaves and stems of wild stands of Cordyline australis (Lomandraceae) 

Author(s): Harris W, Beever RE, Heenan PB
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 36   Issue: 4   Pages: 593-604   Published: DEC 1998 
Times Cited: 9 

25.  Title: Planthopper transmission of Phormium yellow leaf phytoplasma 

Author(s): Liefting LW, Beever RE, Winks CJ, et al.
Source: AUSTRALASIAN PLANT PATHOLOGY   Volume: 26   Issue: 3   Pages: 148-154   Published: 1997 
Times Cited: 21 

             26.  Title: Sudden decline of cabbage tree (Cordyline australis): Search for the cause 

Author(s): Beever RE, Forster RLS, ReesGeorge J, et al.
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY   Volume: 20   Issue: 1   Pages: 53-68   Published: 1996 
Times Cited: 11 

27.  Title: Self-incompatibility in Cordyline australis (Asteliaceae) 

Author(s): Beever RE, Parkes SL
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 34   Issue: 1   Pages: 135-137   Published: MAR 1996 
Times Cited: 9 

28.  Title: GERMINATION BEHAVIOR OF THE SEEDS OF THE NEW-ZEALAND SPECIES ARISTOTELIA-SERRATA, COPROSMA-ROBUSTA, CORDYLINE-AUSTRALIS, MYRTUS-OBCORDATA, AND SCHEFFLERA-DIGITATA 

Author(s): BURROWS CJ
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 33   Issue: 2   Pages: 257-264   Published: JUN 1995 
Times Cited: 16 

29.  Title: PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION OF THE SUITABILITY OF CORDYLINE-AUSTRALIS (ASPHODELACEAE) AS A CROP FOR FRUCTOSE PRODUCTION 

Author(s): HARRIS W, MANN JD
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF CROP AND HORTICULTURAL SCIENCE   Volume: 22   Issue: 4   Pages: 439-451   Published: 1994 
Times Cited: 5 

30.  Title: MONOCOTYLEDONOUS PLANTS AS HOSTS FOR AGROBACTERIUM 

Author(s): CONNER AJ, DOMMISSE EM
Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF PLANT SCIENCES   Volume: 153   Issue: 4   Pages: 550-555   Published: DEC 1992 
Times Cited: 6 

31.  Title: A REMNANT NEW-ZEALAND CARR 

Author(s): SYKES MT, WILSON JB, LEE WG, et al.
Source: JOURNAL OF VEGETATION SCIENCE   Volume: 2   Issue: 2   Pages: 209-216   Published: APR 1991 
Times Cited: 4 

32.  Title: SUDDEN DECLINE OF CABBAGE TREES (CORDYLINE-AUSTRALIS) IN NEW-ZEALAND 

Author(s): REESGEORGE J, ROBERTSON GI, HAWTHORNE BT
Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF BOTANY   Volume: 28   Issue: 3   Pages: 363-366   Published: 1990 
Times Cited: 10 

33.  Title: A study of the glucofructofuranan from the New Zealand cabbage tree Cordyline austrulis 

Author(s): Brasch DJ, Fankhauser BL, McDonald AG
Source: CARBOHYDRATE RESEARCH   Volume: 180   Issue: 2   Pages: 315-324   Published: SEP 1988 
Times Cited: 12 

34.  Title: AUSTRALIGENIN, A NEW STEROIDAL SAPOGENIN FROM CORDYLINE-AUSTRALIS FRUITS 

Author(s): BLUNDEN G, SITTON D, BEACH SJ, et al.
Source: JOURNAL OF NATURAL PRODUCTS   Volume: 47   Issue: 2   Pages: 266-269   Published: 1984 
Times Cited: 6 

35.  Title: CONSTITUENTS OF STEAM VOLATILE OIL FROM FLOWER OF CORDYLINE-AUSTRALIS HOOK FIL 

Author(s): KAMEOKA H, WANG CP
Source: JOURNAL OF THE AGRICULTURAL CHEMICAL SOCIETY OF JAPAN   Volume: 51   Issue: 4   Pages: 189-194   Published: 1977 
Times Cited: 1

Cheers, that'll keep me busy for a while. Some of these look interesting, so I will take some time to check them out. Thanks for the reorg of the lead - much better, tho I might just shift the sentence about the fruit being a food source for birds to after the bit about the "characteristic part of the NZ landscape" Kahuroa (talk) 06:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Cordyline australis is hardy from USDA 8-11.
It grows just fine in Northern Europe, Great Britain, Norway in USDA 8-9. These countries do not have USDA 10 zones.
It also grows in Northen Italy and Istria ( usda 8b ) just fine. Many old Cordyline australis trees there. So that reference about Cordyline australis hardiness only in USDA 10-11 is very wrong and far from reality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.25.104 (talk) 01:59, 30 June 2015 (UTC) 

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Given that the lede (taxobox) image has changed around recently, and that this is probably New Zealand's most iconic plant, I wanted to get some consensus on an image to pick. It seems to me like the best image fully shows the mature tree—not just its leaves or flowers—to enable the reader to recognise the plant. It should be unobstructed (no forest or buildings behind it or around it) and in good lighting. Below I have included several options (from commons and inat). Please vote which option you like the best. Cheers, Dracophyllum 03:29, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Option 2 or 3. Alexeyevitch(talk) 03:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
Option 3 Dracophyllum 03:58, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
Option 3 looks the best to me from the selection. --Prosperosity (talk) 00:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)