# Talk:HMS Havock (H43)

This article seems to be at odds with a library book (The Battle of the Atlantic,  Terry Hughes & John Costello, 1977 ISBN 0 00 216048 10) I have: 
'On 31 August 1937...she was attacked with torpedoes fired by the Italian submarine Iride' (article)
...'of 31 August 1939...HMS Havoc was narrowly missed by a torpedo from a trigger-happy Italian commander.' (book)
Four things stand out: 1) The dates do not seem to tally. 2) The number of torpedoes fired do not match either. 3) Italy did not declare war on Great Britain until June 1940; so what was an Italian submarine doing firing at a neutral British ship? 4)This article has gained a 'k' in 'Havoc'
Or are the article and my book both wrong? Has anyone got the answers?
RASAM (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

A couple of questions relating to the grounding. Is there any indication of what caused the destroyer to ground? Why was Havock carrying passengers when she ran aground, and is it possible to identify who they were? Nothing too detailed, only as broad as "civilians evacuated from Malta" or "troops heading for Gibraltar". Also, is there any information on the number of people captured by the Vichy French, and what happened to them (i.e. A personnel and B passengers, interred at C, returned at end of war/liberated in the Glorious Advance of 194D?)? Answers are not necessary for the B-class assessment, but it'd be nice to know. -- saberwyn 23:23, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

No reason for the grounding is given in any of my sources. No solid info on numbers of crewmen/passengers or even who the passengers were. Though I'd presume seriously wounded/technical types. They were released after Torch, though several had died in captivity according to non-RS sources.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)