# Talk:Gary Roberts (ice hockey)

Is it necessary to have a whole paragraph on Steve Chiasson's death in this article?  The only connection to Roberts is the claim that Chiasson began his fatal drive from Roberts's house (an allegation I've not seen any other source for).  Looking for responses, else I think it's time for it to go. VT hawkeyetalk to me 01:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Responding to myself here, but got a source now.  Nonetheless, I don't think it's relevant here.  Adding info and source to the Chiasson article, killing the section here. VT hawkeyetalk to me 18:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

This page was recently the target of excessive vandalism, having multiple non-POV statements and including Roberts in such ridiculous categories as Founders of Religions, Jesus, God, Canadian Monarchs, and Presidents of the United States.  I therefore placed the cleanup tag so that we could search the article and make sure all the vandalism has been expunged. 68.60.11.184 09:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I had to delete most of the content today after discovering that a lot of it is a copy-and-paste from Hockey Drafts Central. Just letting everyone know it's not vandalism. --Muéro(talk/c) 05:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

"In a showing of grit and character" has no place in a Wikipedia article
198.103.223.51 (talk) 15:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Roberts

Thanks, removed.-Wafulz (talk) 16:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
"Grit and character" are about the closest thing one could use to describe Mr. Roberts, so "in a showing" would describe just about every performance...it does not need to be stated :)  It should be noted somewhere here that like many atheletes Gary had hid his asthma throughout his junior and early sports career (he has been quoted stating this was common practice among young atheletes as the disorder was often viewed unfavorably by scouts and could negatively impact a career), and around the time of his 1st comeback he made his condition public.  He has since served as a spokesman for the Canadian Lung Association during his time in Toronto, and lends his name to diet and excercise literature.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.202.34 (talk) 19:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I have noticed that this was added and eventually removed from this profile several times. Please do not remove this. Gary Roberts was a draft pick of the Calgary Roughnecks in 2004. A cited source was listed, but I will assume this was removed due to vandalism. Gary also played single A lacrosse in juniors with former Panthers and Flames teammate Joe Niewendyk. This citation should not be considered vandalism and should be left alone. 
Citations needed? 
http://www.calgaryroughnecks.com/team/draftlist/
http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=10218
http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2FArticleNews%2FTPStory%2FLAC%2F20041028%2FROBERTS28%2FTPSports%2FHockey&ord=6024670&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true
http://www.njdevs.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t15243.html
Looks like some things have been removed.  Mentions that he had a "comeback", but not what he came back from.  His having a broken neck and getting vertebra fused together might make a good paragraph before that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagnabbitt (talk • contribs) 01:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC) 

Why does the article barely discuss his time in the NHL prior to his neck injury? This was by far the most productive period of his career, with four seasons of 38 or more goals including one with over 50. Yet that part of the article spends several paragraphs on his junior and minor-league career and two sentences on what he did the NHL, which mention none of the above achievements. Why? 50.72.201.97 (talk) 03:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

There are, unfortunately, a lot of articles that fall into this vein. Sometimes, editors expand or focus on only a small part of a player's career that interests them without considering how it affects the balance of the article.  (For a similar, but less egregious example, see what Scott Niedermayer looked like before I rewrote it.  The first 15 years of his career was reduced to the same level of coverage as his retirement deliberation in Anaheim).  This article is on my to do list, however, and I have been meaning to bring it to good article level for some time.  I'm just not sure if I will rewrite it next, or try to finish off Chelios, Shanahan and Heaney first in advance of their HHOF induction in November. Resolute 15:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gary Roberts (ice hockey)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 13:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Alt text: all three images need alternative text.
Well I feel shame.  I rarely forget that anymore. :( Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Disambiguation links: none, all okay.
Dead links: none, all okay.
Lead

Do we really need to link "Canadian" to Canada, it seems like over-linking to me.
I am personally indifferent, but the link is pretty much standard across all hockey articles.  I'm not married to keeping it if you think it is a pointless link, however. Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
"Roberts was a member of the Flames' 1989 Stanley Cup championship team.." While this is fine in North American English, for us Brits there needs to be clarification that it is a team that won the Stanley Cup.
Hmm.  I had thought that stating he is a member of the "Stanley Cup championship team" had covered that. Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Link points, while goals is obvious, points isn't.
Early life
"Roberts was born May 23.." would be better as "Roberts was born on May 23.."
Playing career, junior
"Roberts improved to 57 points in his second season, 1983–84, and.." I don't think the clarification of the season is needed, though I won't object if you do want to keep it.
"Returning to Ottawa for his third junior season.." It might be worth sticking a note here to explain why he kept playing for the 67's, even though Calgary selected him.
Is there a suitable page to link "OHL's second All-Star Team" to, so that people know what it means. Does the OHL play an all-star game, or is it just a team of the year for the league? (All-star might be appropriate!)
No suitable link, so I went with the link you suggested. Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
"In his first professional action, Roberts scored four goals.." action should probably be changed to "stint" or something similar. I initially read this as meaning one action, ie, one movement or something.
"15–3–2 record.." needs explaining.
Playing career, Calgary Flames
MOS:IMAGELOCATION suggests an image should not be left aligned directly after a section heading, personally I prefer them on the right, rather than staggering them, but again, I'm certainly not going to kick up a fuss about this if you want to leave it be.
Despite that MOS, I think I'll leave it.  IIRC, another part of the MOS suggests that images should face the text, while dropping it lower would cause it to bleed into the next section.  Lacking strong options, I'd like to leave it as is.  Open to shifting right if others feel differently. Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
"..Roberts bounced between Calgary and Moncton." Not sure this is really encyclopaedic language.
"1987–88 was Roberts first full.." Don't start a sentence with a number (unless it is written, but I really don't think that is appropriate here!)
"..he improved to 28 points in 74 games.." I'm not sure if this is really an improvement: the previous season he had scored almost a point every other game, but 28 in 74 is only just better than a point every three games.
Sorry, he was a point-per-game in the AHL, but this was an improvement on his NHL stats.  I've clarified.
"..while his 282 penalty minutes were ultimately the highest total of his career, and the first of five consecutive seasons over 200 minutes in penalties." I think this is missing some words, and should be something like ".. five consecutive season in which he recorded over 200 minutes in penalties." Or something similar.
"Roberts joined the Flames in a role as a grinder." This just sounds odd. Perhaps a simpler "in a grinder role." It might be best merged with the sentence after it though.
As you are not linking to Joe Nieuwendyk, I think he surname would suffice.
"..to lift a two-pound dumbbell.." Could you put a metric conversion in please. But that's like.. less than a kilogram right? Wow!
"While he played only 35 games, .." I think "Although" would be better than "While" to start this sentence.
Playing career, Carolina and Toronto
"..Roberts scored recorded 49 points in 61 games." Obviously only one of "scored" and "recorded" should be there!
 Facepalm  Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
"..and assumed leadership.." Missing a word between "and" and "assumed": either "he" or "Roberts" I assume?
You previously used "..the Smythe Division final..", is there a reason that Final is capitalised for "Eastern Conference Final"?
"The Maple Leafs signed him to a one-year contract extension for shortly.." I'm guessing "for" is not meant to be there?
Playing career, Florida, Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay
"..Roberts joined Nieuwendyk in signing two-year deals.." I think this should be "Roberts joined Nieuwendyk in signing a two-year deal.." though I'm not 100% sure. Maybe rephrase it to "Roberts and Nieuwendyk both signed two-year deals.." to be on the safe side?
"The deal was completed at the February 27, 2007, trade deadline.." Not sure the specific date is necessary?
A trade is one of the few events in a player's career that I consider important enough to specify the date. Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Similar for the date of the game against Buffalo.
...this one not so much. Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Fitness and training
"..including several NHLers." I don't think "NHLers" is an encyclopaedic term.
Personal life
"..which helps youth get involved in sports." Might be better written "..which helps young people get involved in sports."
Career statistics
I wonder (and it is beyond the remit of this review,) if the table here would benefit from being sortable? Something to consider for the future maybe?
However, the table does need row and columns scopes, as per MOS:DTT. (note that this is not a GA requirement)
This is something that came up in my Lanny McDonald FAC.  My change there satisfied the reviewer, but I want to download a screen reader and test out whether it works properly.  I'll probably be suggesting a bot task to change all of our statistical tables when I hit on a confirmed working format. Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Awards and honours
Again, row scopes are needed.(note that this is not a GA requirement)
Hmm. Passed review in the aforementioned McDonald FAC in this format.  Like the table above, I'll be playing with formats whenever I get around to downloading a screen reader. Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
References
Look good on the whole.
All in all, nice work as always, and I look forward to your responses. Harrias talk 14:12, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Everything should be addressed.  I've added specific notes above where I felt it necessary.  Thanks for the review! Resolute 01:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
It was a pleasure to read and review. Thank you for your quick and efficient fixes. Harrias talk 06:28, 13 September 2013 (UTC)