# Talk:Mittens (chess)

Sorry guys, I'm not familiar with how to post comments on Wikipedia; however, I think a nice addition would be inserting the chess.com Mittens icon besides the article. I'm not sure what information should go below it, but I thought that could be nice. Great article guys!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.23.189 (talk) 15:12, 17 February 2023 (UTC) 

While it would be a good idea to do this, unfortunately the image of mittens could only be added if we can obtain the permission to use it from chess.com. Adding it without permission would be a copyright violation. It might be something to look at in the future though. Thanks for the appreciation for us, Schminnte (talk • contribs) 15:15, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
No problem :) 174.100.23.189 (talk) 15:18, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Actually, a case of fair-use could be made for the icon. I will try uploading one Carpimaps talk to me! 14:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! I have little understanding of fair use so that's why I didn't suggest it. If you want to, I would reccomend trying the way back machine, as that should have an icon somewhere during January 2023. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 14:26, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Schminnte, I came across this in-depth WSJ article yesterday about Mittens. If you do not have access you can request a copy from Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request.    S0091 (talk) 15:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

 S0091 (talk) 15:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Wow! Thanks a lot @S0091: I'll need to ask at the resource exchange though. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 15:18, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
If you find any other sources like this it would be much appreciated. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 15:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for creating the article! I hope you will write more articles. Have a blessed day!
✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 15:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello,
It seems as if most of the information is rewritten from the main Wall Street Journal. But to be as boring as possible about fact checking:
1. "Whalen stated that the design team believed it would be “way more demoralizing and funny” for the engine to play this way."
That's a quote from me in the article.
2. "these lines include quotes from Robert Oppenheimer, Vincent van Gogh, Thanos"
Mittens does not quote Thanos. There are other instances of people in books using similar phrases and it is explicitly a reference to something else.
3. "Mittens' strategy is to slowly gain an advantage over its opponent, a tactic likened to the playing style of Anatoly Karpov."
That is not accurate. The quote from the article itself was, "Mittens grinded down opponents through painstaking positional battles, similar to the tactics Russian grandmaster Anatoly Karpov used to become world champion."
4. "The engine is not perfect: according to Hikaru Nakamura, Mittens sometimes misses the best move (or winning positions) in some situations."
It is not really possible for any engine to be perfect, but the top ones are already overwhelmingly good to the point that a person has no reasonable chance against them.
Feel free to email me if you have any follow-ups.
Best,
Sean Beckersean (talk) 14:14, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
@Beckersean: could you please clarify: 2. What mittens is actually quoting, 3. I'll change the line to better reflect that, 4. I don't see the problem with that statement, the fact that the engine missed a winning move is important, I'll delete the first part though. Also, the draft was created even before the WSJ source came out, so your point doesn't really stand. Thanks for reaching out. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 14:50, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Rosen and Rozman are both International Masters, not top players, so it's not unexpected that they struggled against Mittens. Plus Rozman has retired from competitive chess altogether. 69.165.204.210 (talk) 05:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
I've tweaked the wording slightly. Thanks for spotting that. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 08:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mittens (chess engine)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Mittens was not an engine.  It was just one of many "bots" that users of the chess.com app could play against.  The author of this article seems to not know the difference between an engine and a bot. 2601:281:D880:7880:2DB0:6438:75F7:F590 (talk) 04:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)