# Talk:Hawaii Holomua

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hawaii Holomua/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Roc0ast3r (talk · contribs) 00:40, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 04:38, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

I'll read over the article and post my notes on it shortly. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 04:38, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Roc0ast3r, I've posted my notes below. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 06:34, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien: I believe I have addressed all of your comments.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Looks good, I'd say it meets the GA criteria now and I'll pass it. I do think Poepoe's imprisonment would be a useful fact to include, and there are often ways to access difficult sources (WP:TWL, WP:RX, WP:IAACCESS, various paywall-circumventing methods), but it's not critical.

The History section makes up the entire body, and it seems to include a mix of topics. I suggest splitting everything related to political stances into a new section, and the History section can specifically be about the series of events in its leadership and publication history.
 Done  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
the Hale Aliʻi and Lunamakaʻāinana should be defined for those not familiar with 19th century Hawaiian politics
Reworded.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Could it be made clearer what the political status of Hawaii was while the paper was in publication? It doesn't explicitly say when the Hawaiian Kingdom became the provisional government.
I'm actually not 100% sure what the right way to go about this is. When editing, I noted that the Republic of Hawaii was established in 1894, but I'm not sure if that's good enough.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
claiming that most people in Hawaii disavowed the provisional government – Avoid "claiming" per MOS:CLAIM, as it implies that we doubt what the person is saying.
 Done  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
There's no context for the information about the Louis Stolz murder. I don't know why the paper cared about his murder, why other pro-monarchist papers didn't care, who William Owen Smith and Ko‘olau are, what their relation is to Stolz, or what "conflict" is being referred to.
Reworded.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Context is needed for who , why they're relevant to Stolz and his murder, and what "conflict" is being referred to.
Reworded.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
It's confusing to include a quote about "Mr. Stevens" if the article hasn't introduced him to this point.
 Done Hopefully this works.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Who was using spies, and what were they doing that the paper objected to?
 Done  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
The article should say what the Wilcox rebellion was and why it led to Norrie's imprisonment.
Specified what the Wilcox rebellion was. I couldn't find another reliable source (that wasn't behind a paywall or some other inaccessible medium) that could back up Norrie's imprisonment, so I decided to just remove it for the time being. Maybe if I end up mining some of these sources I could find one and add it back in, but alas.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Spot checks:

[3] Silva 2017, p. 118 – 2 uses – Good.
[4] Silva, p. 120 – 1 use – Possible WP:CLOP: the source's In February 1892, Poepoe apparently resigned as the editor of the Holomua and returned to his law practice. is very similar to the article's In February 1892, Poepoe appeared to have resigned as editor of the Hawaii Holomua, returning to law.
Fixed hopefully.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
[5] Hardner 2022, p. 113 – 2 uses – The article doesn't make it clear that Kelekona and Kenyon are co-editors. I assumed it was one then the other. It's unclear what the second use is for, since the Hawaii Holomua and their sister publication, the Daily Bulletin, doesn't make any claims.
"Hawaii Holomua was co-edited by G. Carson Kenyon" "and Kahikina Kelekona". I went ahead and reworded that part of the article though just to make the sources a bit more clear.  RONIN  TALK  01:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
[9] Hardner 2022, p. 114 – 1 use – Good.
[11] Kam 2020, p. 172 – 2 uses – Good, though the first citation could be removed since the second one covers the whole passage.
[13] Kam 2020, p. 179 – 2 uses – Good.
Not part of the review, but comments for if there's further interest in working on the article later on:

The prose is sufficient to meet the good article criteria, but I'll note that it feels rather choppy (something I'm definitely guilty of at times).
The article adequately covers the subject for the good article criteria, but it seems there are details in the sources that could be Wikipedia:MINEd if there's interest in expanding the article.