# Talk:Jovan Babunski

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Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri (talk · contribs) 05:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll take this. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
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Disambig links: 2 fixs needed for
Veles
Dimitrije Đorđević
Reference check: No issues
Comments:Another well-written article with very few problems. It does seem to touch upon every major aspect of his life, but it also focuses on the details in an appropriate and balanced way. The article appears to be of neutral stance, since the leanings of the writer cannot be identified. The prose has very few stand out issues, the only sentence about his return to civilian life, arrest and escape appeared to be a problem. That sentence in particular is too loaded to work well. Another issue is the translation of the song, is this from an official translation or is this something you translated? A source would help as well. Now I've got one last issue, the rank in the infobox, should it be given in English in parenthesis? Overall, very few fixes are needed to promote this to GA, so I'll place this on hold. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Chris. I've re-worded the sentence in question and removed the song so the article stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail. The rank of vojvoda literally means warlord. High quality articles such as Pavle Đurišić and Kosta Pećanac use parenthesis for the rank.
I believe that's all. Thanks for taking the time to review this article. 23 editor (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I've also fixed the Dimitrije Đorđević link. I couldn't find the Veles disambig link you were referring to. Veles is linked twice in the article (once in the infobox and once in the "early life" section) and both times it is Veles (city). 23 editor (talk) 01:08, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay, passing this. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:10, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:StephenMacky1, in Babunski's memoirs[1], whose editor is Hadži Vasiljević, he mentions that he was appointed as teacher in Teovo but never mentions Tetovo (p.8: "...мене поставише за учитеља у селу Теову (Велешкој) кази.") I suppose it is a mistake in Bechev's book, because it is one letter difference. Kkapidan (talk) 23:00, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

It is not a typo by Bechev, since he bolded Tetovo in Babunski's entry, while he also has a separate entry about Tetovo in the book, but not Teovo. Bechev also wrote that Babunski was a teacher in the Azot region, which could be a vague reference to the village. I guess the Azot region could be mentioned for more context. StephenMacky1 (talk) 23:18, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
The Serbian sources I can find for Babunski being teacher are conflicting, some say he was teacher in Teovo after he returned from Belgrade and other source says that he was a teacher in Tetovo after he returned from Belgrade.
Ilustrovana istorija četničkog pokretа (p. 49: "Јован Стојковић - Бабунски рођен 25. децембра 1875. г. у Мартовцу, Велешком, по свршетку IV раз. гимназије у Ваљеву и учитељске школе у Београду, - 1906.г. - био је учитељ у Теову и Велесу (васпитач полугимназије)...")
Srbi - biografije znamenetih: A-Š (p.244: "Јован Стојковић - Бабунски (1878-1920), четнички војвода. Родом из околине Велеса. По завршеној учитељској школи у Београду био учитељ у Тетову (Македонија)...")
In his memoirs, it says that he was appointed as teacher in Teovo, after the section where it is written that he earned teacher licence in Belgrade.
Also, I can't see that Bechev's claim has reference. Kkapidan (talk) 23:46, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
We could attribute the claim about him being a teacher in Tetovo then. Bechev has a bibliography at the end of his book, but it is unclear where he received the information. I do not think it is disputed that he was a teacher in Veles though and here is another source about it. StephenMacky1 (talk) 00:16, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
I don't think you understood what I tried to say. My point was that in Babunski's original memoirs it is written that he got teacher licence in Belgrade, and after that section beings the section where it is written that he was appointed as teacher in Teovo, as written in "Ilustrovana istorija četničkog pokretа (p. 49: "Јован Стојковић - Бабунски рођен 25. децембра 1875. г. у Мартовцу, Велешком, по свршетку IV раз. гимназије у Ваљеву и учитељске школе у Београду, - 1906.г. - био је учитељ у Теову и Велесу (васпитач полугимназије)...")"
Meanwhile in "Srbi - biografije znamenetih: A-Š (p.244: "Јован Стојковић - Бабунски (1878-1920), четнички војвода. Родом из околине Велеса. По завршеној учитељској школи у Београду био учитељ у Тетову (Македонија)...")"
Tetovo may be a misunderstanding, also it is not referenced. Kkapidan (talk) 15:11, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
I understood what you said. Well, on a second thought, I do not mind if Tetovo is replaced with Teovo. I think Veles could be in reference to the Veles kaza, but it is not really clear in the secondary sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 17:03, 20 October 2025 (UTC)