# Talk:Flag of Hong Kong (1871–1997)

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Reviewer: Emir of Wikipedia (talk · contribs) 14:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I hope to review this article soon. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


### Criteria
### Review
Well-written:

Verifiable with no original research:

Broad in its coverage:

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:


#### Result
#### Discussion
Some rewriting may be able to reduce the article looking like it's source materials, as indicated by Earwig's Copyvio Detector. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:26, 30 August 2016 (UTC)


### Additional notes
An IP (@89.248.248.2:) has stated we should use "mainland china" opposed to China in the article. My personal opinion is that there is no need as most know it refers to PR China and is also slightly misleading as Hong Kong territory isn't an island.  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:39, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
User:The C of E is on steadfast mission to deny basic facts of geography, that Hong Kong is China and China is Hong Kong. China is the state Hong Kong is the region. As of now the article acts like Hong Kong is some other place, not a part of China. The crux of The C of E's denial of geography is his colonial wet dream that Hong Kong be return to its "rightful owners" aka the British invaders (see his talk page boxes). As such the article should incorporate geography into this article and stop treating them as different places. All mentions of 'China' should be changed to 'Mainland China' as 89.248.248.2 (talk) 10:04, 8 October 2019 (UTC)is the established terminology.89.248.248.2 (talk) 09:47, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I trust you are aware that WP:ATTP arguments don't hold much weight? It appears to me that Mainland China is a potentially loaded term because it claims all is PRC when it isn't. Hong Kong is to China as Gibraltar is to the UK. Under the jurisdiction of but with a separate legal and political system and is treated separately under law.  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Utterly false. Please read the Basic Law of Hong Kong and One Country Two Systems article. Hong Kong is a Special administrative region of China, and is part of the PRC, just as Scotland is part of the UK. Your proud ignorance of the territorial boundaries of the People's Republic of China is in direct contradiction with reliable sources. If you say Hong Kong is not in the PRC then source it, good luck! 89.248.248.2 (talk) 10:04, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Again with the argumentum ad hominum? (and attempting to hide it too?). Please note, I am not saying HK isn't a SAR of the PRC, I am saying that use of "mainland china" is inaccurate.  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:18, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Nice red herring, now would you care to respond to the fact that Hong Kong is located within' the PRC. You have failed to provide evidence it is essentially a Chinese version of British Overseas Territories, in fact you have not even attempted to do so. As for "Mainland China" being misleading that is the established terminology and its better to be supposedly misleading then to deny basic facts of geography which you seem to be on a hell-bent mission to do.89.248.248.2 (talk) 10:32, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Not being entirely familiar with this spat, it's difficult to be completely clear what is being argued over. My 2 cents are that, as the article refers to a flag used officially before Hong Kong was handed to China, the use of the term "China" is the proper usage for events pre-1997. For usage after the handover, then it would be more common to say "mainland China" largely for consistency. Although simply saying "China" to refer to the Mainland is common in HK, it may not be clear to non-HK readers. I suggest delineating along these lines for the sake of clarity. Kdm852 (talk) 11:02, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
That seems reasonable to me.89.248.248.2 (talk) 11:06, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
@Kdm852: I will just note that the IP has just been blocked for vandalising other pages by inserting things like this. Which suggests that this is more than just a passing concern and more indicative of a series of WP:POVPUSHing from the IP. As such, I do not believe it is a good idea especially since he has provided no policy based reason for using "mainland china".  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 22:25, 8 October 2019 (UTC)