# Talk:Jenin refugee camp

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As the DYK ALTs above make plain, the way one most naturally refers to the "Jenin Camp" is as the "Jenin refugee camp" - it's there in the first sentence, it's there on Ngrams and it's there on scholar, with hits plummeting away if you enforce "Jenin Camp" as a set term, but holding steadier at three times the number of hits if you lock in the term "Jenin refugee camp". The WP:COMMONNAME argument appear strong. Is there something that I'm missing here, or is the page just massively overdue a bold move to the more prevalent name? Iskandar323 (talk) 08:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Somehow I haven't thought about this before; this should be moved. The ⬡ Bestagon T/C 08:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Probably because UNWRA call it Jenin camp. None of the camps in their list at the bottom are called refugee camps by them and WP mostly seems to be following that, see Palestinian refugee camps. Still, if it is common in sources, then that trumps official names of course. Selfstudier (talk) 11:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I suspect that the UNWRA might have made a slightly stylistic/editorial choice to avoid iteratively repeating the word 'refugee' again and again, such as in the list of camps at the bottom that linked page, but the website also hops a bit between the two, with the link just below the main text reading: "Read more about Jenin refugee camp", and for any of the other "Camp" profiles, the "Read more about" text similarly reads "X refugee camp", so it seems very much of an avoidance of repetition issue on that site/with that organization. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I think the overreliance on UNRWA here has also led to too many descriptive names for camps being rendered as proper names. Even within the usage of the simplified term "Jenin camp", the uncapitalized 'camp' version is more prevalent than "Jenin Camp" all caps by a significant margin in Ngrams, and this in reflected in scholar too, where few sources capitalize 'camp'. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:47, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Sure, but if we change one, should we not change them all? To (Blah) refugee camp. Selfstudier (talk) 12:00, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
TBH, for most of them, there might not be that many sources. Jenin is obviously one of the larger, more discussed and more prominent examples historically, hence the focus on its in academic literature. On the other hand, most of the other pages linked to at Palestinian refugee camps are underdeveloped stubs. Even so, it is already a complete mishmash of capitalized and uncapitalized 'camp's, so if your concern is inconsistency, that's already the par for the course here. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
But in theory, yes, maybe. Here's Dheisheh, plucked at random, on Ngrams. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Or Far'a, which has been in the news recently. Selfstudier (talk) 12:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Then again, where the place name is not an existing settlement, as with Jenin, perhaps the name itself is sufficient, per WP:CONCISE, such as with Dheisheh, where there is not much else that name can mean. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:23, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to be awkward, I don't have any objection to the move (or any of them) as such. Selfstudier (talk) 12:25, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
With Dheisheh, short of other meanings, the lone use has support. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:28, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey you better check sources before telling something as propaganda... 13:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

True, however, you do realize that neither of you are allowed to edit this article because neither of you meet the requirements to do so. If you want to edit the page then you can make a request right here on this talk page. Selfstudier (talk) 14:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)