# Talk:Galloway cattle

I deleted the following paragraph from the article:

The Galloway cattle breed is faced with the challenge of a genetic defect called tibial hemimelia (TH), a genetic disease caused by an abnormal recessive gene.  TH was first identified in Shorthorn cattle in 1999. TH is characterized by severe and lethal deformities in newborn calves. Affected calves are born with twisted rear legs with fused joints, have large abdominal hernias and/or a skull deformity; they cannot stand to nurse and must be destroyed.

The actual reference refers to a small number of TH affected calves being born in the Scotland between 1965 and 1975.  Because of the extensive pedigree records available in Galloways, it was relatively easy to remove this genetic defect from the population.  That was 35 years ago, and it is certainly not accurate to say that tibial hemimelia is a challenge that the Galloway breed currently faces.  Perhaps this information is useful for historical purposes, but it is a relatively minor point in the history of this breed, and given the current brevity of this article it seems silly to devote so much space to a relatively trivial point.
Millifolium (talk) 01:20, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I deleted the following sentence about the size of Galloways:

The steers can reach weights of about 800 kg (1760 lb) and a height of 1.28 m (50 in), while cows weigh an average of 550 kg (1210 lb) and a height of 1.20 m (47 in).

This sentence is misleading.  Galloways, like many cattle breeds, are raised in many parts of the world, and have been bred for many different beef production systems.  Because of this, and because of the age of the breed, there are many different sub-populations of Galloways, and there is a huge amount of variation in the size of the animals.  The average weight of a Galloway cow in one herd may be 900 lb, while in another herd it might be 1600 lb.  Different breeders started with different genetics, have different breeding programs, and subject their animals to different environmental conditions.  To attempt to summarize this variation into a single number is highly misleading, and to the best of my knowledge it has never been done.  Which is probably why there was no reference for this sentence.  I have no doubt that these numbers are true for the Galloways that the author of this sentence is talking about, but this is not representative of the breed as a whole.
The size of Galloway cattle, and the variation in that size, is a very interesting and relevant piece of information that should be included in the article.  However, this is also a complex topic, and unless anyone knows of any survey on the size of Galloway cattle, any reporting on Wikipedia constitutes unverified original research, and cannot be included.  Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge no such survey has been done.  But please, someone prove me wrong and post a reference, that would be great.
Millifolium (talk) 01:36, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Why are weights in this article given in pounds? Both the Belted Galloway & Highland articles give all weights in kg (as they should since these are UK breeds of cattle). The only major nation to not be at least 95% metric is the USA & they keep saying they are headed in that direction (since 1866 but so far only their military have made it).
1.144.96.37 (talk) 13:08, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

there is a good picture about heredity transmission in the german wiki: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Farbschl%C3%A4gePigmentierungenGALLOWAYS.jpg  --  07:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.245.147.81 (talk)  

This review is transcluded from Talk:Galloway cattle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk · contribs) 17:34, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
TheMagikCow: Comments below,
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 


### Issues
The lead seems a little bit too short. It should be expanded upon. Done
One dead link. Done
Some of the refs could be expanded upon. Done
Footnote #2 only needs to externally link the title, not the whole cite. Done
"BSE", please expand it on first usage Done
"dun", wrong link, pipe it to "dun gene" Done
serveral statements may be not neutral, for example: "great debate".
"17th Century", decapitalize century. Done
Link "dun" on first usage Done
Are you sure the article' can't be expanded any further?
average galloway cow, capitalize "Galloway" Done
Inconsistency: "herd book" and "herdbook" Done
What does "herdbook" mean? Done
Fix hyphens with dashes, which are found on the bottom of the page in the "Insert" section when you edit. - I cant seem to find this! Do you mind doing this? TheMagikCow (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC) Done
to an entire region of Scotland, the source specifically states "south-west Scotland". Done
Source #6 states the origin of the word "Galloway".
Add citation #6 to it.--Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 20:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC) Done
Source#6 does not state what it cites on it's first usage Done
Sorry to be a pain, but what does this specifically mean? TheMagikCow (talk) 10:27, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Source #7does not state what it cites Done
Source #8 doesn't state what it cites Done
Source #9 doesn't state what it cites Done
Should mention it also comes in "dun" color in the Infobox Done
Link "Scotland" and "Australia" in the body. Done
Note requires a reference.--Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 20:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC) Done
Any population stats? Done
--Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 17:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Tomandjerry211 Please can you expand on the 6,7 and 8 points for sourcing. TheMagikCow (talk) 16:26, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Passing, Well done.Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 17:08, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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