# Talk:Josh Allen

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Josh Allen (quarterback)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 14:58, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


### Criteria
1. Well-written

Prose clear, concise, and understandable Y
Spelling, grammar, copy edit issues Y
Lead Y
Layout Y
Buzzwords/fiction/lists Y Good use of tables to display statistics.
2. Verifiable

No original research Y None apparent.
Inline citations are from reliable sources N  Done References 49 & 54 (Buffalo Rumblings) and 22 (SBNation) are to sports blogs.  While I think SBNation and its team-specific blogs write useful and interesting content, I don't think they rise to the level of reliable sources.  Reference 23 is to TMZ, and per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, there is not consensus on the reliability of TMZ for BLP pages.  Reference 21 is to the New York Post, of which there is also no consensus at the perennial sources list, although the supplement to the RS guideline does state that "most editors prefer more reliable sources when available."  Since the statement cited by sources 21-23 is also discussed in reference 24, an ESPN article, you could probably just remove 21-23 from the article.
List of references properly formatted Y
No COPYVIO Y Testing several sentences by Google search.  One brought up matches at a possible mirror site which doesn't seem to be functioning anymore, and at revolvy.com, which attributes the content to Wikipedia.  Another turned up wikivisually, which appears to also be a mirror site. There are no red flags for COPYVIO, and my tests turned up clean.
3. Broad in coverage

Covers major aspects Y
Stays focused on topic Y
4. Neutral Y
5. Stable Y

As of writing.  Allen is participating in an NFL playoff game on Jan. 4, so a spike in vandalism could occur if he does really good or really bad.  But long-term, its been stable.
6. Illustrated if possible

Media tagged for copyright status Y Images appear to be used properly, according to image licensing information.
Media relevant Y
@Hog Farm: Thanks for the review. I've taken out the more questionable sources regarding Allen's high school tweets. As for the other refs from Buffalo Rumblings/SB Nation, I'll keep them there for now until I can find more reliable replacements. Regards, --WuTang94 (talk) 16:54, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@WuTang94: Good job overall on the article.  I've made a few small adjustments, like spelling out abbreviations.  I also removed the external link to Allen's Twitter account, per Wikipedia:External links/Perennial sources#Twitter.  The article is really close to GA status, great work! Hog Farm (talk) 19:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@Hog Farm: Alrighty, just replaced the source for the 2018 Jets game. Also took out the other Buffalo Rumblings analysis article as a reference and that sentence in general. Thanks again for the insights! --WuTang94 (talk) 20:06, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Something is wrong with the NFL combine stats on the page for Josh Allen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Allen_(quarterback). Values for arm length, hand size, and vertical jump are clearly wrong. Correct stats here: https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=27009. For arm length, change "1/4 inch (0.01 m)" to "33.25 inches"; for hand size, change "1/8 inch (0.00 m)" to 10.13 inches"; for vertical jump, change "1/2 inch (0.01 m)" to "33.5 inches". This is my first time suggesting an edit--I hope I have done it correctly. 2601:5C2:202:1620:283A:47CA:DCAC:FBB0 (talk) 23:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for pointing this out.  There was an error in the usage of a template that displays fractions and the integer portion of the table value was not displayed.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Under the "Statistics" section, for the 2020 season, it lists Allen as starting 15 games, with the following note:
a: Because the first play of the Buffalo-Miami game in Week 17 had Allen lined up at WR and the ball snapped directly to Devin Singletary, this game is not counted as a QB start for Allen.
While it is true that Allen doesn't get the start at QB, he would still get credit for a start, albeit at the WR position but a start nonetheless. Should the "GS" stat for 2020 be changed to 16? Pro Football Reference even lists him as starting 16 games in 2020 (see here under the "Passing" section) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.172.161.29 (talk) 

Please stop adding the 2022 Pro Bowl to Josh Allen's list of Pro Bowls. He was not selected by vote, nor did he play as an alternate. He was invited as an alternate but declined; therefore, the Pro Bowl does not count towards his statistics. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
in that case than tom brady has 0 pro bowls? makes no sense it counts Purpetic (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Brady's Pro Bowls weren't as an alternate. Declining to go to the Pro Bowl doesn't mean that it doesn't count. Declining to go as an alternate (as Allen did in the 2021 season), doesn't count as a Pro Bowl selection. Also, to clarify, the 2022 Pro Bowl is for the 2021 NFL season. Allen made the Pro Bowl for the 2022 NFL season (the 2023 Pro Bowl), which is included in his statistics. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 06:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Under the career statistics heading, “Career Best” within in the stated chart diagram, should be listed and written as “Career High” as in line with other NFL players on Wikipedia for proper stats understanding. Jctmp23 (talk) 04:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: There was a rough consensus to use "career best" instead of "career high" when this was previously discussed in the past. The reason for this is that the intention is to highlight the player's best stat, not necessarily the highest (think of interceptions). Hey man im josh (talk) 14:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
I understand, but for an average Wikipedia viewer, it comes off as confusing going from Josh Allen’s stats to say, a player like Tom Brady where his statistics have been labeled with the “Career high” marker. When “Career best” is highlighted, it comes off almost as a positive bias for that particular player, instead of just showcasing that player’s highest stats in a neutral way. If we’re going to highlight a player’s “best stat” doesn’t that sound a bit biased to you? It’s just a stat, we don’t need to offer a form of praise, we just need to state the facts about a particular player’s stat in a season of his career, so “Career high” should stand and be in place of “Career best”, as it offers an unbiased and far more representing form of stat highlights. Jctmp23 (talk) 22:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
I don't see it as confusing or biased at all. The text is clear and accurate, it's highlighting the career best. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

I edited Josh Allen's page (since Josh changed his last name to Hines-Allen), but not all of it, so someone's just gonna have to edit the rest, his last name should NOT be Allen, it's Hines-Allen now. https://www.nfl.com/news/joshua-hines-allen-jaguars-star-pass-rusher-changes-name-to-honor-family 65.130.245.81 (talk) 22:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I hope you're joking. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

There are many major NFL records that Allen holds that should be included under the NFL records infobox. This includes a major one such as most consecutive 40 touchdown NFL seasons (5) 2020-2024, there are also many more that could be included that are hidden under the records section way down on the wikipedia page. A few of these most important ones should be included in the infobox such as most consecutive 40 touchdown seasons. The page comes off as biased against Allen, because his peers Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes etc. have many NFL records and highlights listed in their info boxes that are much more obscure than what I just mentioned. 2601:743:300:2A30:8C9:9C6A:E1A7:7252 (talk) 20:34, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

This page is not biased. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 20:36, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
I agree with @Freedoxm that this page is not biased against Allen (I myself am a huge fan of his). The record is not significant enough to be included in the infobox from my perspective, as that should be reserved for the most frequently mentioned/notable statistics, of which combined rushing/passing touchdowns is not one. Better put under the records section in my eyes. I also disagree that stats such as "career yards per game", "Single-season rushing yards by a quarterback", "Career rushing yards by a quarterback", or "Career completion percentage", are more obscure than combined touchdowns. These are statistics very regularly talked about, whereas combined touchdowns typically refers to receiving and rushing touchdowns. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:43, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
Those aren't the facts I'm referring to. Joe Burrow's infobox lists "Pass completions per game (career): 25.3," a pretty obscure stat, and Lamar Jackson has "Games with a perfect passer rating: 4 (tied)." Many of the records in Josh Allen's record section are just as relevant. Also, I’d argue that the stats currently in his infobox are no more significant. Also, the general, objective consensus in the NFL is that Allen has been a top 4 QB for some time (Top 2 in my view). This is reflected in NFL preseason rankings, his stats, and thousands of articles, yet his Wikipedia page doesn’t reflect this. For comparison, Mahomes, Lamar, and Burrow’s pages clearly highlight their elite status in the intro or throughout the page. Anyways, at the minimum, When Allen breaks the all-time rushing touchdown record by a quarterback, I will be looking to see it in his infobox next year. He’s 8 touchdowns away and should pass Cam Newton, who currently holds the record and has it in his infobox. 2601:743:300:2A30:5521:CA0B:CC77:2FFE (talk) 20:32, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Pass completions per game is far from obscure. Those are also straight NFL records instead of cherry picked thresholds, such as 40+ touchdowns in a season. How's it hold up if it's 30+, 35+, etc.? Having a record altogether, vs # of seasons doing something, is very different. It frankly doesn't matter what NFL consensus is regarding whether a player is elite or not. What matters is what's verifiable and whether a stat is routinely discussed, such as completions per game or something.
I would however support rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in the infobox. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
And I don't agree that combined rushing and passing stats for a quarterback are less mentioned/tracked. It is still one player, Joe Burrow literally has under FBS records in his info box most total yards in a season, and total touchdowns responsible for in a season while he was at LSU and they're combined pass/rush stats. 2601:743:300:2A30:5521:CA0B:CC77:2FFE (talk) 20:37, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
It's basically only mentioned when someone talks about Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts, that's my particular issue with it. It may be relevant in a sense, but it's a stat that's better placed in the records section as opposed to infobox.  Just because he doesn't have more records listed doesn't mean we search for records to add, we don't add records to the infobox just to add them. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:46, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

He became the first player in NFL history with five straight 40-plus total touchdown seasons.  
Not just 35 or more passing and rushing touchdowns in five straight seasons, as article states..
24.194.32.135 (talk) 06:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Bluerules I noticed you removed that paragraph for being "editorialized". I would like to know how so? It was backed up by multiple sources in the article and his unorthodox high school and college years are well known. WuTang94 (talk) 16:57, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

It's editorialized by claiming Allen's draft journey "received significant media attention" when there are only a handful of sources (mostly from localized references) about it. That's not "significant media attention" and definitely not worth its own paragraph in the lead. Maybe a sentence, but not another paragraph that pushes down the information about his professional career, which he's most notable for. Bluerules (talk) 17:40, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
Okay. How about this, to be integrated with the first paragraph:
Joshua Patrick Allen (born May 21, 1996)[1] is an American professional football player who is a quarterback for the Buffalo Bills of the National Football League (NFL). He played college football for the Wyoming Cowboys and was selected seventh overall by the Bills in the 2018 NFL draft. A relatively unknown prospect out of high school, Allen notably received no Division I scholarship offers and played one year at Reedley College, a junior college in California. After a standout season, he was recruited to Wyoming, where he developed into a top NFL draft pick.
I did my best to stay more neutral. I'll add another source, [2], in addition to reusing this source [3]. WuTang94 (talk) 18:50, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
That sounds a lot better, thanks. I think it can be tweaked a little, but it's definitely an improvement over the previous revision. Bluerules (talk) 02:46, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

These two items cannot both be correct:
- Most consecutive games by a quarterback scoring at least one touchdown: 21
- Most consecutive games with a touchdown pass: 23 (week 10 of 2022 through week 16 of 2023) 2605:9480:13A:8760:ADB9:601B:9F4A:C253 (talk) 01:43, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

This edit results in a MOS:LINK problem: it positions two links side by side such that they appear to be a single link. Either one of the links should be omitted, or the lead should be rephrased to avoid this. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:22, 18 November 2025 (UTC)