# Talk:Central dense overcast

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Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 04:55, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

" can help determine a tropical cyclone's intensity, which can be a problem for strong tropical storms and with systems of minimal hurricane strength." - how is this a problem?
Clarified it in the lead.  It was already clarified below, but there's no harm in the information being in the lead either.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
How does a CDO form? That seems to be the biggest thing missing. Why do storms of a certain intensity develop that circular area of convection?
All I can find is that it forms due to the formation of a TC's eye wall.  Thegreatdr (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
What about some basic info on how convection forms? That seems to be a pretty major thing that's missing. Is it because the convection wraps around the center, and due to the circular motion of the storm, the convection assumes a circular shape? Also, can't storms form CDO's without an eyewall? I've seen many strong tropical storms with a CDO, but I didn't think they had eyewalls. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
See if the additions have helped resolve this issue.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Also, what determines the shape? I'd imagine wind shear plays a factor.
Added the information.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
The eye section never really clarifies the exact relation to the CDO, so I think it should be clarified earlier on (as it does in the lede) that the eye forms in the center of the CDO.
Done. Thegreatdr (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Does the eye always form at the center of the CDO? I guess I'm mostly trying to figure why there is so much content on "eye", when it doesn't seem to be that integral to the CDO. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
See if the recent modifications clear up the situation.  I've tried to eliminate lines not especially relevant to this article.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
"(35 knots (65 km/h))" - probably should avoid having the parenthesis inside of the parenthesis. Also, I thought the project avoided using knots. How come it uses knots here but not mph? Later on also uses only knots but no mph.
Switched to mph.  I'm not sure how to avoid the parenthesis use here.  Thegreatdr (talk) 05:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Would a comma work, in your opinion? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
I think so.  The change has been made.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
In the Dvorak section, how is the center determined underneath the CDO? It's pretty vital to get a good center reading, so it becomes clear just how strong the storm is, but some sort of mention of how they determine where the center would be good.
Should be clarified.  Thegreatdr (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
All in all, the article seems a bit short in info. Either there should be more, or it should be merged to a generic "tropical cyclone structure" article/section. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  04:55, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Addressing these concerns has increased the article size about 20%.  If the article needs to be expanded, it would be good to know how/where it needs expansion.  I have seen smaller articles in the project gain GA status.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:28, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
It's better. My biggest issue was that two of the three sections (eye and Dvorak) were largely about those other articles, without explaining their significance to CDO, which this article is about. The article establishes why CDO's are important, but I guess it's lacking more technical info. For example, is the CDO roughly the diameter of the strongest winds? Does a circular CDO have anything to do with an annular hurricane?
See if the recent additions help clear up this problem.  The radius of maximum wind would be in the eyewall, which is in the CDO.  The RMW-related information has been added.  I did add content about CDO's becoming more circular in strengthening tropical cyclones.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Also:

"Locating the center within the CDO can be a problem for strong tropical storms and with systems of minimal hurricane strength as its location can be obscured by the CDO's high cloud canopy, a problem that use of microwave satellite imagery can solve." - this is a bit long. Perhaps split into two sentences?
Done.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
It looks much better now. The only thing I wonder if it's missing is any mention of annular hurricane. Call me crazy (or call me maybe), but doesn't that storm have a really well-pronounced CDO? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Technically, all hurricanes from a category 2 upward should have a pronounced CDO.  I'll check papers regarding annual hurricanes to see if anything can be found which would relate to this article.  Thegreatdr (talk) 01:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. That's the only other little thing I'd be curious about before passing. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:03, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I can't find any papers that say anything additive about the CDO's of annular hurricanes.  There just aren't many papers or books which address them.  Thegreatdr (talk) 18:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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