# Talk:John Mitchell (American football)

I have submitted this article for review as a Good Article. -- Deejayk (talk) 18:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Peer review and Good article nomination are two diffent things, I see the template for neither on this page, which one was it? blackngold29 02:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I followed all the steps for submission here.  Perhaps I did something wrong as it doesn't appear as though anyone has noticed my request.  I've never previously submitted an article for peer review process, perhaps you could provide some pointers? -- Deejayk (talk) 03:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh, you did it through the biography WP... it seems you've done everything correctly then. I usually go through the main peer review. And a side note, most of the WP banners no longer require a "nested=yes" anymore, as they're set up to do it automatically; it saves alot of time typing. blackngold29 03:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
BLP Peer Review link: Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/2009#John_Mitchell (football_coach) - Deejayk (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
A picture is not a necessary requirement for a GA rating, supporting material is. An infobox etc. (which you have) I looked on flickr and couldn't find a licensed picture. Hekerui (talk) 19:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I have also exhaustively searched for an appropriate image, to no avail. - Deejayk (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
I found a suitable image on Flickr and petitioned the copy-right holder to allow it's use on Wikipedia.  The owner of the image subsequently uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons and I have added it to the article.--Deejayk (talk) 20:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:John Mitchell (football coach)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:53, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Overall, the article is referenced pretty well and looks decent. My main problem, however, is the beef or the article. In other words, there's not much structure to the article (a lot of one and two sentence paragraphs), and there just seems to be very little factual information in it. For someone who's been coaching for 35 years, 5kb of prose is quite weak. I know that a d-line coach isn't going to get that much press, but nonetheless someone who's been a coach on as many good teams as he has will have plenty out there. 
Aside from that, here are some other issues, some of which will be related to the above:

Where'd he attend high school? Did he play football there?
Make sure references are after punctuation, not before.
"He spent four seasons as the defensive line coach at Alabama before moving on to a similar position at Arkansas under Lou Holtz, where he spent the next six years." That's one sentence for 10 years of coaching! You can find more than that, expand.
"During his time in Arkansas, he regularly participated in pick-up basketball games with Bill Clinton, who was at the time a law professor at the school." Cite needed.
"After a brief USFL stint (see below), he returned to the college ranks at Temple in 1986." Half a sentence for three years. You write most of it in the professional section, which makes sense though it breaks the flow a bit. Perhaps have a college/usfl section and an nfl section.
Kinda reiterating, but pretty much every coaching position needs some expansion. Any quotes about his coaching? Any major notes? Google News is your friend, find stuff.
Again, improve the structure.
I'll put the article on hold and give you a few days to fix it, though I'm very tempted to just fail it. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:53, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the very constructive feedback.  I'm working on implementing your suggestions.  Should have your issues addressed by the end of the week.— DeeJayK (talk) 15:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I've expanded the article significantly and rearranged the structure a bit.  I believe that I've addressed all of your suggestions.  Please take another look and let me know.— DeeJayK (talk) 19:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Article looks much better now; I'll re-read it either tonight or tomorrow. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 00:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Here's my second group of comments now that the article has been improved:

I would expand the lead now that the article has new info.
There's a lot of seemingly random double and triple spacing with i check the edit window. It's not a major issue since it doesn't show up when reading the article, but just noting it.
Make sure any records (i.e. 2-5) use ndashes. You mostly do but I see areas where they're needed yet.
Anything on his role on the Steelers' super bowl victories? The rest of the expansion is great but this section still feels a little iffy.
Instead of a cquote, perhaps one of the quotes in the Steelers section could be in a quote box? (One of my articles has an example of this). This doesn't need to be implemented though, it's up to you.
Overall the article is much better than when I first read it. Just fix this new notes and I'll pass it when that's taken care of. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:31, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I've addressed all of these concerns.  Please re-review.— DeeJayK (talk) 20:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Everything looks good now, and after looking though the article, I'm passing it as a GA. Nice work. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 01:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Since this article is undergoing a lot of edits and is under a GA review, I did not move the page myself (even though the move would be considered non-controversial) but this article should be titled "John Mitchell (American football coach)". The English Wikipedia is a worldwide use of English, and everywhere in the world other than the United States football = soccer. I'm not going to comment on anything else in terms of GA status, but this page needs to be moved (there is ample precedent with both college and professional American football coaches). Jrcla2 (talk) 16:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you on the name change.  I'll make the change once the GA review is complete.— DeeJayK (talk) 20:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Update: Name change is complete.— DeeJayK (talk) 18:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

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