# Talk:Mother Gothel

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Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 05:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, this article should first relate to the original Rapunzel character by the Brothers Grimm, and the Disney Character be mentioned afterwards or be given a specific character page stating her to be THE Disney version. I think it is a big must for all Wiki users to be fed correct information, and not let big companies over-shadow that which they took and used what was there before their creation...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oceanblueeyes87 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 
I will review this article. — Cirt (talk) 05:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Wowww well that was quick and painless. Thank you so much!!!--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

As many of the regular editors to this page are aware, an IP has been changing the infobox to claim that this particular character was created by the Brothers Grimm. It seems to be good faith, judging by their other edits, but it's been reverted three times by three different editors (including me). Could this person please stand up and give a rationale for these edits? There is already a consensus in place, and ignoring it means we will have to revert the next edit adding this to the info box. If this continues like this, we may have to take further steps against your apparent (note the word apparent) vandalism.  We'd all like to avoid that, so if you could explain your edits so that we can discuss it, that would make everybody happy, Luthien22 (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

An IP editor using different IPs from same place (likely the person as in above comment) is adding the false information that this version of Mother Gothel is a sorceress and a witch. The article goes into a fair amount of well-referenced detail in the § Conception section of why the creators made that decision: "A departure from traditional Disney villains, Mother Gothel is not a witch or a sorceress. Because she lacks supernatural powers, the character is forced to rely solely on her wit, charm, intellect and charisma, a conscious decision made by Greno and Howard". Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

This "Ursula from The Little Mermaid (1989)" has been removed from the lead section [1] as no critics listed in the article stated "However, some critics felt that Gothel was simply too passive" and listed Ursula as an exemplar. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Here is an interesting source for this article here for a more sympathetic reading of the character. Might be helpful in further crafting/revising the "Reception" section. Aoba47 (talk) 04:49, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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According to Kay Turner, author of the book Transgressive Tales: Queering the Grimms, "Gothel" means "godmother" in German.
This is sourced, but I can't find anywhere easily accessible any indication that "Gothel" (or "Göthel"/"Goethel") is or ever was anything but a name in German.  Since such a thing should be fairly easy to find, I suspect this may fall under WP:FRINGE?  Twin Bird (talk) 09:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)