# Talk:By the Grace of God (song)

How exactly is this song notable enough to have its own article? It isn't a single or even a promotional single. Besides, this hasn't exactly left much impact. For now, I am tagging this as having questionable notability. 174.226.2.97 (talk) 00:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

The notability relies on having important information about the topic that the article covers, for example for a song, it needs to have charted, which it did. It may not be a single or even a promotional one, but it has sufficient information, and plus, a DYK reviewer removed the notability tag. Do not add it again or I will request for article protection. Check "Fading", for example, which has been certified as a good article. prism △ 17:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Charted or not, it lacks impact/global significance. That's why the questionable notability tag was added. Not much point in having an article on something that is so widely unheard of (such as this) by people who aren't music critics and/or fans of her music. 174.252.36.62 (talk) 18:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Doesn't matter. By your logic, most song-related good articles should be deleted. Do not add it again. prism △ 21:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Not exactly what I meant. This could achieve significance later on- for all we know, it could be a #1 single someday. For now though, it should redirect to the Prism album page. 174.252.32.221 (talk) 02:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Check Red Lipstick, Do Ya Thang (Rihanna song), Fool in Love... they're album tracks with not that much importance, but there's enough information and if there is, why not have a page for it? Plus, they're good articles: reliability wasn't the issue, for sure... prism △ 11:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Reliability of sources certainly isn't the problem with this page. If something doesn't have much importance, it just seems excessive to give it an article of its own. It's definitely too soon to have a page for this song- at least wait until it has received notability such as significant praise/controversy if not released as a single/promotional single. If it becomes vital like Harlem Shake or Numa Numa, that would also make it more suitable to have an article for this. 174.252.38.30 (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Let's close the discussion: if articles for songs like this that weren't released as (promotional) singles are approved for Good Article quality and criteria, "By the Grace of God" deserves this article. And soon this will also be GA-nominated. Prιsm △ 21:39, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
If it ever becomes significant to her career, then it can have its own article. Since it currently has no significance to her career, there's really no point in having it yet. We also frankly don't need an article for every song from the Teenage Dream album and Complete Confection. The only ones we really need are the promotional singles and the eight singles. From Prism, only the singles and promotional singles have had any significance to her career. 174.254.178.131 (talk) 15:52, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
This is turning quite annoying, but let me say it once and for all: if we have enough information to describe a song, its composition, its influences, its chart performance, its critical reception, of course we should have an article that contains such information, like it happens with "By the Grace of God". I, for example, when I want to listen to an album or something, I come here and it's really helpful to have some details on determined song, and not just on any kind of singles! You're not in charge of just deciding to remove an article and an individual's work just because it hasn't got any relevance on the public eye. Prιsm △ 16:36, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
This song definitely deserves this article!  This song is about how Katy Perry's faith in God saved her life, and kept her from committing suicide.  Without this song, there would be no Prism, nor would any of her future works exist either, since Katy would no longer be alive.

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