# Talk:Gordon Banks

One source says December 20 was his birthday. Is this just rubbish/a typo?

Typo I suppose.--EchetusXe 22:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
one of his most famous stories tells of how he casually said "See you Alf!" to his England boss after one get-together ended, only for Ramsey to reply "Will you?" - Didn't Geoff Hurst say that?

No, it was Ramsey.--EchetusXe 22:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Was he born in Tamworth. All the other things I've found say Sheffield.
http://uk.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_781528516/Banks_Gordon.html

Sheffield.--EchetusXe 22:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Try top line of Gordon Banks official website for DOB and place.  Regards JRPG (talk) 21:57, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Caps and goal figures in the article likely contain European cup/Domestic cup data in addition to Domestic League data (this is very certain based on this user's previous edits containing similar information [1]. Please correct this issue and leave a note here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alfmaster#Footballers.27_European_goals, to warn this person about putting improper information on Wikipedia. --Palffy 21:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

According to his Football Heroes profile, a reliable and professional site run by a photographic and journalism agency, he made 194 League appearances for Stoke. Bentley Banana 17:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Chesterfield FC historian adds - to the best of my knowledge his dob is 20th December, and he was born in Sheffield.

Try top line of Gordon Banks official website for DOB and place. DOB: 30 December, 1937 (Rotherham) Regards JRPG (talk) 22:01, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Born 30 December 1937 at 15 Arthur Road, Abbeydale, Sheffield, West Riding of Yorkshire registered in Sheffield, March 1938. Thank you.--EchetusXe 22:12, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Can somebody please explain (and rewrite) what a "5-4-3 record" is, please.  Guinness (talk) 13:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Excuse the accuser but wouldn't it make more sense to display clean sheets for a goalkeeper beside the appearances in the information box.After all they are not outfield players.
To the uninitiated  to see 0 goals beside people like Gordon banks would cause an inaccurate impression of his impact as a footballer. 
Debarpan18 (talk) 18:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with this. But that's enforced by the policy of  Wiki Project Football. However, I've started a discussion to look at changing this in the talk page. Feel free to contribute by going to the talk page. CoffeeGiraffe (talk) 21:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Paraguay's José Luis Chilavert scored more international goals than Emile Heskey managed. Mr Larrington (talk) 21:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

I went to Telford for the Chelsea friendly on 6th May 1980. At the time Geoff Hurst was manager of Chelsea and Gordon Banks was manager of Telford United. I have no idea how long he was manager other than that he was defintely manager at the time. It was a big thing to see these two heroes of 66 shaking hands before the match. 
I have googled it and found this:
>
England football legend Gordon Banks has revealed his sacking as manager of Telford United in 1980 was the reason why he did not manage again.
The 1966 World Cup winner was boss at Telford from January 1979 to September 1980, but was sacked after just a season and a half.
"They were good days for me, I thought I'd done a good job," Banks, now 73, told BBC Radio Shropshire.
"They asked me to get them out of relegation, which I did do."
He added: "Unfortunately we lost in a cup match, to a team lower down in the division away from home, and they gave me the big boot, which I was disappointed about." 
>
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_conf/8940802.stm
I won't update the main page, someone else can decide how to do that and where to insert this information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.237.195 (talk) 23:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC) 

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gordon Banks/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 12:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I'll grab this one now for a review this evening. Miyagawa (talk) 12:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Images check out. I took the liberty of categorising the new image on Commons. Miyagawa (talk) 21:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
There are quiet a few duplicate links, I lost count somewhere around forty. User:Ucucha/duplinks is a good tool for spotting them.
Having a read through now and there's one recurring element which could be copyedited - where you've said "for a £xx fee" could just be "for £xx". 
Lead: "He made one of the game's great saves" - I don't doubt it, but it needs to attributed to someone's opinion in order to avoid being considered original research.
Chesterfield: Might be worth not piping Tinsley, so that it reads Tinsley, South Yorkshire. Once that's done, there wouldn't be a need to mention that Catcliffe is also in South Yorkshire as it'll be presumed. 
How much later did Banks' brother die? You say later, but was it shortly after or was he injured in a manner which caused his death years later? Best to clarify.
Regarding his debut for Millspaugh, was Banks at the match as a spectator? Just wondering how he was brought into the team. Might also be worthwhile saying that he continued to play for Millspaugh after being dropped by Rawmarsh (at least that's what I'm presuming happened).
"However the reserve team were placed in..." - I do this myself, there isn't a need for the However.
Link Royal Signals, and Busby Babes to Busby Babes rather than Matt Busby.
Who was surprised by the transfer to Leicester?
Leicester City: "who had already ran away with the First Division title with ease and style", a bit encyclopaedic - needs to just be something like "who had already won the First Division title". If you want to express how easy they won it, then you might want to say how many points they won it by - stats are bound to be at the RSSSF or the Football League websites.
"but then turned on the style with a 8–1 demolition" - just needs to be 8-1 defeat per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch.
Stoke City: As with the comment about the lead, the best saves point needs to be attributed to someone. Even if it's just the saves that Banks himself considers to be his best.
References: Ref #1 needs an access date and a creation date (well, update date). 

35 could do with publisher information added - worldcat.org is a good resource. #48 just needs the publisher location added. Again worldcat should have the answer.
61 needs the publishing date added.
What makes #66 a reliable source.

102 needs the author and publishing date added.
111 needs to be formatted like the other references.
115 needs a publishing date.
123 needs an author and access date added.
138 it seems unlikely that "Times Online" is the article title.
That seems to be it, they're all mostly just copyediting tweaks and so I'll put this on hold for seven days and then will review progress. Miyagawa (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I have made the edits you recommend. Thanks.--EchetusXe 19:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Good work, the article looks good, and I'll be happy to promote once the duplicate links are tidied up. Miyagawa (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Any progress with this one? Miyagawa (talk) 08:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Unless I'm missing something, I can't personally see any duplicate links. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:26, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll list them below as shown by the duplicate link checking tool. Miyagawa (talk) 14:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Matt Gillies - Leicester City, first paragraph
First Division - Leicester City, second paragraph
Manchester United - Leicester City, fourth paragraph
Matt Gilles, West Ham United - Leicester City, eighth paragraph
Filbert Street, Matt Gilles, Victoria Ground - Stoke City, first paragraph
First Division - Stoke City, second paragraph
Manchester City, Tottenham Hotspur, White Hart Lane - Stoke City, third paragraph
FA Cup, Hillsborough Stadium - Stoke City, fourth paragraph
Chesterfield FC, Manchester United, Goodison Park, Frank McLintock, League Cup, West Ham United, Chelsea FC - Stoke City, fifth paragraph
England national football team, Scotland national football team, Wembley Stadium (1923), Portugal national football team, Blackpool FC - second paragraph, International career
Geoff Hurst, Portugal national football team, Bobby Charlton, Jack Charlton - second paragraph, 1966 World Cup
West Germany national football team, Ray Wilson - third paragraph, 1966 World Cup
Yugoslavia national football team - Euro 1968
Peter Bonetti, Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, Brazil national football team - first paragraph, 1970 World Cup
Hungary national football team - first paragraph, Final Years
Jackie Mudie - Coaching career
National service, Germany - first paragraph, Personal life
Leicester City, Stoke City - second paragraph, Personal life
Pele - fourth paragraph, Personal life
I really can't recommend User:Ucucha/duplinks to add the Highlight duplicate links tool so that you can see these. Miyagawa (talk) 14:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah, my bad, I misinterpreted "links" as referring to references, d'oh. I'll go and fix it for you. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 14:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Done. Let me know if I missed anything :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 14:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Perfect, that was all that was standing between this article and GA. So happy to promote now. Miyagawa (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi EchetusXe & thanks for your useful edit reasons. From personal experience I've learnt to accept unexceptional routine statements like the above from a WP:BLP's own website -as I've found they can argue fairly persuasively that they are world authorities on themselves :) Even with eyesight problems, I would have expected GB to get the first line right.  Whilst we may need to say that sources differ I think that's unlikely as I expect someone senior to Banks made a mistake & it got copied. 
For comparison, I edited HMS Montagu some time ago having read her story in the Ilfracombe museum.  She ran aground off Lundy and two RN officers went to a nearby lighthouse and ordered the keeper to send a message that they had run aground off Hartland point!  He was having none of it & the ensuing argument ended suddenly when he said "I know what bloody light I'm keeping"  I expect this will be similar.  I don't know if Keith D has any additional Yorkshire knowledge. Regards JRPG (talk) 23:57, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

haha, well please bear in mind that it is unlikely that Banks himself had much to do with the website. Most likely his agent outsourced it relatively cost effectively. Englandfootballonline used his birth certificate to find 30 December 1937 at 15 Arthur Road, Abbeydale, Sheffield, West Riding of Yorkshire registered in Sheffield, March 1938, and his own autobiography, which he will have spent infinitely more time on than his website, supports that 'Banks was born in Sheffield, West Riding of Yorkshire and brought up in the working class area of Tinsley. The family later moved to the village of Catcliffe after his father set up a (then illegal) betting shop'. Catliffe is in Rotherham.--EchetusXe 09:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Point conceded but I'm contacting his website to see if they can fix it.  Regards JRPG (talk) 12:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
It will be interesting to see the reply, assuming there is one. Thanks!--EchetusXe 18:52, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Gordan Banks died on 15th February 2019 following a 3 year battle with kidney cancer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.224.0.42 (talk) 09:56, 12 February 2019 (UTC) 

Seeing that today is the 12th, you may wish to check the date of death with your source. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

The 'Career statistics' section is rather underwhelming (as noted above several years ago). Goals scored by Banks (zero in every instance) are not exactly informative; surely it's the goals that he conceded that is the crucial statistic here? JezGrove (talk) 10:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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This was something added to his honours section in 2012 seemingly without a source. Does anyone have any proof or source to show that this actually happened? I’ve looked everywhere and have failed to find proof of it whenever I’ve tried. The closest I’ve seen is him being the highest ranked goalkeeper in the Ballon d’Or twice (not even six) and don’t think a FIFA Goalkeeper of the Year award even existed for the years mentioned. I haven’t removed it as I could be wrong but yeah, does anyone have any proof that this is actually true and if so then add the source. 82.29.133.248 (talk) 10:48, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

It appears to have been listed in his autobiography.--EchetusXe 08:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Currently - "On 15 May 1971, Banks was involved in a notorious incident with George Best who, while playing against England for Northern Ireland, flicked the ball out of Banks's hands and headed it into the net.[125] The move was audacious, but was disallowed by the referee, who judged it to be dangerous play."
The goal was disallowed for the reason stated by the referee, but Banks had thrown the ball into the air with his hands to then kick it down field. Best famously kicked the ball whilst it was still in the air for that very short amount of time (he notably didn't actually kick the ball out of Bank's hands). The ball went bouncing high towards the goal and both players chased after it, Best heading it in.
Video of the incident - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D8IW_3_6D8  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.72.221 (talk) 19:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC) 

The article's infobox currently includes two identical names. Per MOS:IBP, "information should be presented in a short format wherever possible, and should exclude unnecessary content". The redundant parameter should be omitted. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:22, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

How else do you suggest Gordon Bank's full name is shown? EchetusXe 07:58, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
It's already shown; it doesn't need to be shown twice. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:28, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
I see that this has been readded without comment. As noted, the full name is already shown, since it is the same as the name, so its inclusion a second time is unnecessary. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:55, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria I have closed your third-opinion request with the reason that there had not been enough discussion. But now that I'm here, I will weigh in as a 3O: there's no issue here. It is entirely common for infoboxes on biographical articles to contain the same name in the lede and infobox. I suggest there are articles with more important issues that need addressing. Xan747 (talk) 23:57, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
@Xan747: The issue is not having the same name in the lede and infobox; it's having the same name in the infobox twice. Given the MOS provision noted above, that shouldn't be done. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:59, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
Ah, sorry I missed it. @EchetusXe there's no need for two names. Please remove one and let's be done with this. Xan747 (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
Sorry where is this second name? EchetusXe 09:06, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
{{Infobox football biography
| name = Gordon Banks <-- #1  
| image = Gordon Banks 2007.jpg
| caption = Banks in 2007
| full_name = Gordon Banks <-- #2 Xan747 (talk) 13:25, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
Surely the "full_name" parameter here is redundant and should be omitted? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
@EchetusXe That's three of us saying one of the names is redundant. How about it? Xan747 (talk) 01:20, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
I've just removed it. It serves no purpose. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:06, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
Alright, I guess readers can ask AI or something if they want to find out his full name. EchetusXe 08:58, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
This was his full name. His first name was Gordon. His surname was Banks. Here's his FreeBMD record. Not sure how much clearer I can make it. And I'd be surprised if AI invented anything else for you. But good luck. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 17 September 2025 (UTC)