# Talk:Chiisana Koi no Uta

Continuing from my talk page Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 12:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I updated the article with all new information I could find on the internet but I guess that is all I was able to find. --Goroth (talk) 13:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Should there be a separate page for the live action as it is notable. I was considering putting the film infobox into this page but I think we should create one Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
The movie should receive a separate article. Here the information given about the movie is okay. --Goroth (talk) 14:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
I think we can nominate this to WP:GA now? I search more information but couldn't find any more RS info. Just a bit of copyedit and we can submit this into WP:GAN Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 09:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
summited a GA review, idk how to add you to the co-nomination though. You got the most contributions. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 13:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
It's fine by me but I think nomination would be a bit too early as I hope that someone from Japan portal could provide the information from that book. Otherwise, I would have to buy it myself and use Translation apps. --Goroth (talk) 19:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, but I think this is kinda good enough for now. We can expand more later when we or you have it Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough. --Goroth (talk) 06:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
I added you as the co-nominee for the GAN Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 09:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. As no one seems to have the book, I am going to order it along with my next order at CDJapan. --Goroth (talk) 09:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Also when this become a GA, try nominating it to DYK, there is a lot of interesting stuffs here Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 02:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
The book arrived yesterday and I just added all the information the book gave me about the song. I used Google Translator to scan and auto-translate all of the pages in that chapter about the song (pages 141 to 150). There are information about the band (they have rejected major label deals and an invitation to the Kohaku Uta Gassen to stay independent and out of the spotlight) and their album Message. --Goroth (talk) 10:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank You! If you can add it for now but I'll verify it as soon as you send me the copy. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 10:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
also I fix you citation, as there is a "work cited" section already, you can just put the author and the page itself Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 10:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing. I sent you an email via Wikipedia yesterday but I could not send you the PDF file. Can you check your email account if you have received my message? --Goroth (talk) 13:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I received the email. But yeah, I think sadly you can't send files through wikipedia Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 08:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Can you answer me to this message? If I get your email address you have registered to Wikipedia with, I can send you the file on this address. --Goroth (talk) 15:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I have seen that you have already answered to me. I sent you the file. --Goroth (talk) 15:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I check, and I received it. Thank u for sending. Though I might not start translating it as I'm currently busy with my school works Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 04:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
No problem. Just let me know when you have checked it so I can check the German-languaged article afterwards. --Goroth (talk) 07:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

What does qualify the song to be categorized as anime song? If I got the definition right, the song needs to be produced exclusively for an anime-production. I do not know how it is handled with cover versions, though. --Goroth (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I think no, actually? Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 23:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
As I wrote: I do not know how it was handled with cover versions. I only know that it must be recorded exclusively for an anime productions. Otherwise The Who's "My Generation" would have been categorized as an anime song as well as it was used as opening theme song in 2016's anime move "A Silent Voice". If we could have more detailed information why the cover versions have been recorded would be helpful. --Goroth (talk) 14:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
I remove it for now. Yeah, I wish we have that category Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 23:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Chiisana Koi no Uta/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Miminity (talk · contribs) 11:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: IanTEB (talk · contribs) 13:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Though I think this is an interesting topic, I have some concerns on whether it passes GA criteria. There are sentences which either have grammar issues or violate Manual of Style, multiple times in almost every section (the Guild of Copy Editors might be able to help), and certain key elements of what I would expect to see from a music article is missing. I will provide more specific comments below the checklist.


#### Checklist
It is reasonably well written.
a. (prose, spelling, and grammar): 

b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a. (reference section): 

b. (citations to reliable sources): 

c. (OR): 

d. (copyvio and plagiarism): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a. (major aspects): 

b. (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): 

b. (appropriate use with suitable captions): 


#### Comments
I will divide my comments into sections for the different criteria.

1. It is reasonably written.
There are several sentences that do not adhere to the Manual of Style or could use improvements in terms of grammar/flow. As I mentioned above, I think it might be best to submit the article to the Guild of Copyeditors. I think this might be the biggest hurdle holding the article back.
The first instance of the song's name in the Background and release section doesn't have quotation mark even though subsequent mentions do
A cover of the song used as the insert song on [...] and the fifth ending theme of the 2024 anime Alya Sometimes Hides Her Feelings in Russian performed by Sumire Uesaka - this sentence from the lead needs to be reworked. It should open with something like "Other cover versions include", or something along the lines.
There are several parts of the article where apostrophes should be incorporated to help with readability. Sentences like "In an interview with Rina Sako from Natalie in 2019, Uezo said that he did not know the song's key when he wrote the song commenting that 'Chiisana Koi no Uta' starts with a lower key but with a higher chorus" are very long, which makes them hard to read. Also watch out for repetative wording, like with "song" in the aforementioned sentence ("he did not know the song's key when he wrote the song").
while writing the song's lyrics as Okinawans have a tendency not to use personal language when speaking - because it has not been introduced that the band is from Okinawa, this sentence isn't really understandable. Unless it refers to the song's island setting? In which case it should clarify by saying "residents of Okinawa - an island prefecture in Japan - tend to not use personal language". Regardless, the explanation of the lyrics are after this sentence, so some rearrangement would be needed.
The chronology in the infobox should be used for artists only, not specific albums.
In the background section, why is boku in quotation marks, but kimi and anata are not?
There are also some more minor MoS issues, like in "During a special event in the Gunma Prefecture held on June 2, 2024, the song was played simultaneously by 1.000 musicians" where the thousand should use a comma instead of dot.
A few sentences are very short and choppy, like in Commercial performance. While not the biggest issue, it could greatly benefit the article's flow if these sentences are more tied together.
2. Verifiable with no original research.
Sources generally look good, but I am concerned about the use of Uta-ten. Whenever I've looked into using it for one of my own articles, I've always found it to be very blog-like. Though the sources are overall decent, I found some issues with the referencing of the article.
[42], [43], and [48] I presume are citations for a book, but the references only mentions author, year, and page, which does not satisfy verfiability requirements.
Quation marks should be removed from source titles per WP:QWQ
[10] should use Template:Cite certification instead of Cite web. The current source does not tell me where I can locate the relevant information.
Some names for websites are incorrect. Rockin’ On! Japan in [22] should be Rockin'On Japan, and 音楽ナタリー in [36] should be the English name, Natalie.mu or Natalie Music
3. Broad in its coverage.
To me, this article does not tell me everything I'd like to know about the song. Maybe the sources aren't available, but I would particularly expect more explanation of the composition (punk is listed as a genre in the infobox, but not mentioned in the lead).
The Commercial performance section mentions only a single live performance, whereas Livefans (not a reliable source itself, but can be helpful in finding other sources) has 19 pages of information. A full Live performances section could probably be created.
As a side note, everything in Media usage is cited to press releases and should be removed. And why is the Film adaption in a seperate section?
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
While generally neutral, there are issues of opinions being presented as fact, like "The song is known for its simple and repeating chord progression which makes 'Chiisana Koi no Uta' easy to learn."
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
Article has been expanded since GA nomination, but I don't see any major problems here.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio.
Not a single so no cover available. I am a little confused about the picture of Minami Hamabe, however; the Cover versions section opens by saying that the most comercially successful cover was by Yui Aragaki. She has a high-quality picture as well so why not use that?


#### Conclusion
 Failed - There are a few too many issues in the article's current state to pass, but I do believe the topic has potential to become a very good GA. If it is submitted to the Guild of Copy Editors or similar processes like peer review, please feel free to reach out on my talk page and I will try to help out the best I can. I noticed this is the submitter's first GA, so don't feel discouraged. Most of the very talented Wikipedia writers I know of failed their first GA. There is no counter for fails; it's obvious care was put into this article, so keep at it with improvements and I believe it can definitely pass in the future. IanTEB (talk) 13:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hiya @Miminity and @Goroth,
I've taken a first stab at getting the English in the article into better shape for your next attempt at GA but there were a couple places where I had questions or comments which I have left as invisible comments in the article for ease of matching questions to areas concerned. If y'all could take a look at them and add explanations, either here or in the article, I will get those squared away as well. Looking forward to working with y'all to get this article prettied up.
Sincerely, Moritoriko (talk) 02:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Moritoriko:
Here you go:
Section Background and release: It easy to learn according to Yukiya Yokoyama (vocalist, guitarist of KOTORI), Source Natalie is linked.
Section Cover versions: How do you mean to condense the table?
Section Commercial performance:
The work cited (Tomonori Shiba) did not really specify whether or not the song ranked first for ten years straight or was near the top ranks. It just said it was top. If you are able to speak/read Japanese, I can send you the pages regarding the song.
If we could have access to the Oricon data which are hidden behind a paywall, we may be able to check how the song had performed in the Karaoke Charts. If so, we could change the second sentence according to the data.
The Karaoke Year-End Chart measures who a song has performed in Karaoke stations throughout a year.
Kindest regards, --Goroth (talk) 07:26, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
@Goroth:, the file you sent me lacks the page number 147 so I cannot check what that page really said Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
@Miminity:: I made a photo of p147 and sent it to you. Hope it helps you out. --Goroth (talk) 12:33, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
@Moritoriko:, Thank you for copyediting the page, as per Goroth said, may I ask for clarification on what does condensing mean?, I am think of like this:
 •  20xx: Artist 1[1]; Artist 2[2]...
Am I right? Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 09:24, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Yeah that is what I was thinking. And maybe put it into an actual table rather than a list. If that makes sense Moritoriko (talk) 09:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
Okies. Thanks for clarifying Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 11:12, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
 Done @Moritoriko:, tell us if I did it right. Thanks Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 11:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
That looks good yeah :)
The character names should not be italicized though. I think that is somewhere in the MOS. Moritoriko (talk) 11:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
also  Done Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
Also, I fixed that attribution for the claim that the song is "simple and easy to learn", I don't know how to phrase it but hope you can help me with that. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:30, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
You edited it before I published my version fixing it :(
I should have been faster but I got distracted by errors on other pages lol
Moritoriko (talk) 12:39, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
Oh sorry about that. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:41, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
Okay, I think I am done for now. Still need more information to verify the source about Shiba [50]. I'll take one more look at it after you fix the other issues that the reviewer found before you put it up for a GAN again, but I am satisfied with the current version so I will mark it complete on the requests page.
Call me, beep me, if you want to reach me, Moritoriko (talk) Moritoriko (talk) 13:16, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
Thank you so much! You are such a big help Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 14:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
@Moritoriko: can you take one good look at this as I'm about to renominate this. Thanks Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 14:48, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
 Done Moritoriko (talk) 00:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
Once again thank you so much Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 01:22, 23 February 2025 (UTC)