# Talk:Manuel Noriega

Does anyone have any photos from before his downfall? Preferably one of him in uniform.

Why is Manuel Noriega's mugshot used on the infobox like he is just an ordinary criminal? Was he not also a leader? 
Dictators and terrorists like Fidel Castro and Osama Bin Laden have more "responsible" portraits of them on their article's infoboxes. 
This issue needs to be discussed.Jõsé hola 21:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

There is no other recent image of Noriega in this article. Find an alternative one to replace it, or reinstate it where it was in the infobox. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:15, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
What Nick said; an official portrait may be preferable, but none seem to exist that are free use, and fair use is hard to justify where the public domain mug shot exists. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: and @Nick Moyes:, yeah I can't find a better image on Wikimedia Commons; I don't know if you do have an idea how we could get one.Jõsé hola 21:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
@Josedimaria237 It's complicated. Normally, for people who are dead there's obviously no chance now of getting one taken! So, under the circumstance where no alternative free image is available, we do permit a copyrighted image to be added directly into English Wikipedia (but not uploaded to Commons). We call this our WP:FAIRUSE policy. However, as the 'mugshot' of Noriega is already freely licenced and available, that possibility no longer applies here. You cannot just copy any old picture off a website, as this would be 'stealing' the copyrighted work of other photographers. I note, however, that on Commons there is a cropped image of Noriega without the police notice that he's holding, but the original image is already so low res that I probably wouldn't consider using that one. I suggest you simply 'undo' your edit that initially removed it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Okay thanks, will do so.Jõsé hola 21:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
@Josedimaria237 OK - thanks for fixing this. ...you dealt with this issue absolutely the right way.
(One very minor point: you seem to be signing your posts on a new line, and not getting the indenting right either. If you could just check what you're doing and add your signature immediately after the end of your last sentence, that will keep the talk page neater. Alternatively, use the 'Reply' link and let the system automatically sign your response in the right place without you even having to think about it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:38, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Fixed that, I have been wondering why it is always signed that way, I have not been able to make it look neater. Thanks for the observation.Jõsé hola 21:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I spent 4 years in the Canal Zone (74-78) as a CPT and Major and as a company commander I had several dealings with both LTC Noriega and LTC Paredes. Noriega was not only the Guardia G-2/Intel but was the head of the National Police.  About half the troops in the Guardia were actually the Police. We did not have a Status of Forces Agreement with Panama and whenever Treaty negotiations were going badly, the Police would police up some Soldiers on trumped up charges and the company commander would have to deal with Noriega directly to get them out of jail -- or at least I had to.  At the time the Guardia Staff and the Civilian Government were totally integrated so LTC Paredes was the G-1 which was also like our OPM and he handed out all the Government Jobs so he was probably the most influential of the Guardia General Staff.  The G4 controlled all government supplies, purchasing and contracting so was like our GSA controlling a lot of dollars (Panama used US Currency). None of this is very well explained here. Also, how BG Torrijos took power and especially squashed the coops against him is explained at all. Just not a very complete picture of events. The-Expose-inator (talk) 20:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)