# Talk:Hazzard Dill

@Rollinginhisgrave and It is a wonderful world: I don't think the comprehensiveness of the article was sufficiently discussed in the GA review. The article gives little background or context. It is a sports biography but it mentions just seven races, and result times for only four of those. Does no more published information about this athlete exist?
In a quick internet search, I found this document which says:
"440 Yrds ... Gnr Hazzard Dill (BMA), 1942 ... 52.0"
"400 Metres ... Hazzard Dill (BASA), 1948 ... 53.6"
This seems to indicate that:

he set a national record of 52.0 seconds in the 440 yards in 1942
he was a Gunner (Gnr) with the Bermuda Militia Artillery (BMA) in 1942
he was a member of the Bermuda Amateur Sports Association (BASA) in 1948
Looking at Bermuda at the 1936 Summer Olympics, I see that in 1948 it was the first time Bermuda sent an athletics delegation to the Olympics. This page gives some information about the Bermuda Amateur Sports Association and explains that in 1948 it was also the first time black athletes from Bermuda participated in the Olympics.
I think the current article is lacking in comprehensiveness and does not contain all readily available published information about its subject or puts it sufficiently in context. I would probably assess the current article as Start or C class, not yet B or GA class. – Editør (talk) 02:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Editør thanks for this! I'll note that GA doesn't require comprehensiveness but broadness, which allows shorter articles [and] articles that do not cover every major fact or detail. I think the facts from the first document you note should be added, and the background stuff... maybe. See WT:NOR#Are "background_sections" permitted, or prohibited OR? where it's at least an accepted position that background sections should not use sources which don't use the subject. What do you think? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 02:31, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
But the current article also isn't broad, the reader learns very little about his life or career. With background I meant some additional information about Hazzard Dill beside athletics results: where did he grow up, was he married and to whom, how did he get into sports, how did his career progress, when did he retire as athlete, how did living as a black man in a colony affect him, what did his military career look like, etc. I understand that probably not everything will have been published, but a lot of information that was published is also missing as I showed with two additional sources (that both mention him, so I see no problem there). I think that for now the article should be delisted as GA and that it should first be improved from Start to B class before it is renominated for GA. – Editør (talk) 02:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
I'll take a look at sources over the next day. As for why these weren't in the article when it passed—my fault clearly, I should have been more thorough when looking for sources in assessing broadness. Thanks for bringing it up. Can I ping you within the next few days when I've finished? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:27, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Editør, thanks for raising these concerns. I added the sourcing you identified and some additional info that I didn't deem important enough to include on my first run though. Honestly though, I think the additions were minor enough that they count for comprehensiveness rather than broadness. It would be another case entirely if you could find sourcing for the areas you describe, but I can't find any. Nonetheless, if you think it should be delisted for GA for broadness reasons, you'll want to open up a WP:GAR to find consensus. IAWW (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
@Rollinginhisgrave, you can ping me or reply here. @It is a wonderful world, thank you for adding the information. I will see if I can find more relevant information/sources. – Editør (talk) 18:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
For an article about a 1958 event, I helped me to have worked on similar articles about more recent events and to try and write the former as much in a similar way as the available information allowed. In this case, it may help to look at GA class articles about current athletes and use an analogous approach. – Editør (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
Articles that you can find via this link contain information about his physique, his weight, his unusual training methods, his wife's full name, and probably more because I didn't check everything. Articles that you can find via this link contain his town of residence and an 1994 award for which he was recognized by the sports minister in a speech in parliament. – Editør (talk) 19:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
Thank you @Editør. Most the information in this article comes from going through the search results of that first link, but there was some stuff I didn't deem important like his training methods, but I agree on second though it's worth mentioning, so I added it. The second link is great and somehow I missed it (I thought I searched on that website already but I must have done something wrong). It gave great information about his personal life which I added. I hope this alleviates your concerns? I feel like we have exhausted all possible sourcing, but there again, I felt I had when I nominated for GA. IAWW (talk) 09:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC)