# Talk:Johngarthia lagostoma

Has Ascension, an isolated volcanic peak on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, really had "land bridges" seriously posited for it since, say, c. 1970? Perhaps a direct quote in the footnote would shift the onus from Wiikipedia. --Wetman (talk) 21:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Ucucha (talk) 20:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I'll be doing this review. It's especially interesting to me because I previously wrote on some Fernando de Noronha vertebrates (Noronhomys and the Noronha skink). Ucucha (talk) 20:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

In the description, is there anything to be said besides overall size and the color morphs? What diagnostic characters distinguish it from other Johngarthia species, for example?
The lead seems quite short.
I'm surprised there is so little evidence on populations other than the one at Ascension. I found this source discussing J. lagostoma eating sea turtle hatchlings at Fernando de Noronha. doi:10.1016/j.jembe.2006.01.005 says it also eats turtle hatchlings on Ascension. doi:10.1590/S0074-02761958000100013 says it's very common on Trindade. This paper lists previous records at Noronha.
Ucucha (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
This paper may also be relevant: Turkay, M. 1973. Die Gecarcinidae Afrikas (Crustacea: Decapoda). Senckenbergiana biologica 54(1–3):81–103. Ucucha (talk) 21:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. I've had a look at most of the sources you mention. They don't add much, but I'll try and find a way of working them in. Lourdes Alves et al. (2008) is behind a paywall, and I only have access to the first page (presumably, as a checklist, it merely notes the species' presence there). I also haven't been able to find a copy of Türkay (1973), which would be very useful. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
When I get back to college (which should be within a few days), I will have access to it, so I can have a look for you. Ucucha (talk) 12:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Have you had a chance to seek out Türkay (1973) yet? It would also be useful for a draft I've got waiting on J. weileri. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I'll have the PDF in a few days. Ucucha (talk) 11:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Excellent. Many thanks. I'm in no great hurry. --Stemonitis (talk) 12:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I stumbled across Türkay's even more relevant Die Gecarcinidae Amerikas, and have now incorporated information from that into the article. It would still be nice to have Die Gecarcinidae Afrikas for other articles, but I don't think it would add anything to this one. --Stemonitis (talk) 15:36, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Great. I'm sorry Türkay '73 is taking so long; not sure what is going on. I'd be happy to pass this article, except that the lead is still too short; it should be a paragraph or two. (Also, shouldn't Johngarthia planatus be J. planata?) Ucucha (talk) 18:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes: planatus should be planata. I must have forgotten to update the gender; that's one result of upranking a feminine subgenus from within a masculine genus. I will have another look at the lead tomorrow. --Stemonitis (talk) 19:04, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I have expanded the lead a little. Is it enough? It's now 169 words, which is about 15% of the length of the body text (excluding the lead, captions and the long quote), which seems about right to me. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Good, I'll pass it now. Ucucha (talk) 14:03, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

The article badly needs a section on what was indeed the "sinister reputation" of these crabs - currently this appears mysterious & unexplained in the traveller's quote near the end. There was evidently a Victorian "horror-movie"-style trope around these creatures, accusing them of mass attacks on humans, even eating them alive. I remember this was still going in my childhood, with a large illustration, perhaps in Look and Learn, of a Victorian castaway keeping them at bay with an oar, at night. Scary stuff. Johnbod (talk) 15:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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