# Talk:Cardigan (song)

I will suggest not classifying this song as the lead single until radio adds in either US, UK or Italy are confirmed.--NØ 06:30, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Where is everyone getting the reference from that this is a single? I do not see it on All Access. Someone on Folklore (Taylor Swift album) said it has been confirmed as a single, but there is not a single source on the article that confirms this. So far, the only sources used are entertainment outlets but they do not seem as reliable as a source that explicitly shows that this song will impact radio. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 08:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

In this article Billboard names "Cardigan" a fist single. infsai (dyskusja) 20:10, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I 100% agree with the editors above that this was not confirmed as a single until the announcement it was sent to radio. I wish we could come together and write a consensus (better than WP:SINGLE?) for what constitutes a single/promo single on Wikipedia and have that be referred to instead of going through edit wars every time a popular artist releases a new song or local consensus lol. There should be clear rules for excluding random websites writing "new "single" by x artist was released!" as a source. Perhaps if Billboard wrote that, it could be treated with more weight. I think the Vulture ref should be removed from the first sentence. Heartfox (talk) 20:18, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Yup, Billboard said that it's a first single. infsai (dyskusja) 20:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe that the release date should be listed as July 27, since that is the day that it impacted radio as a single. Its release on July 24 was a part of the album, not as a single. The fact that the video premiered on that date is irrelevant since a music video =/= a single release. — Status (talk · contribs) 18:46, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Wholly disagree. "Cardigan" was promoted as the album's lead single beginning with its release on July 24. Several sources reported this that day, along with it receiving a music video. It was concurrently released with the album, in the same fashion as "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".—NØ 19:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Being "promoted" as a single isn't the same thing as being "released" as one. You can refer to something as being a single without it being released as one, yet. I would disagree the date used on "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored" as well. They were released as individual songs (not a single) alongside the rest of the album and then a few days later were sent to radio as an official single. "In Your Eyes" is an example of where it was done right, using the radio date instead of the album date. — Status (talk · contribs) 19:23, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
A single doesn’t equal a music video, but neither does radio play. According to Single (Music), it doesn’t cover radio play/music videos that much, so we need to come to a consensus somehow. Sources called it a single beginning on July 24, not today. It was released to streaming services and digital downloads on July 24. That means it was a single beginning on July 24. If all this happened today, it would be different. We updated this Wikipedia page on July 24 saying it was a single, not today. If anyone can find sources saying it was a single starting today, not 3 days ago, then I think it should be put as July 27. But until then I think it should be July 24, as it is when it was released. The same thing is happening with "Exile" right now, so we need to come to a consensus somehow. Doggy54321 (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Status – just because it was released on July 24, it doesn't equate it being a single, as that song was released as part of the album. Hell, I remember on that day, I kept reverting edits that called the song a "single" because there were no sources to confirm it. Entertainment outlets had called it a single on July 24, but where did they even get their source from too? All Access clearly stated July 27. Besides, I think it's worth mentioning that Swift had only started selling "Cardigan" as a single on her website on July 27 too, as per her Twitter. Before this, the only source I could find selling just "Cardigan" as a single alone was Amazon, but Amazon also sell copies for individual non-singles alone too, such as for "The 1" and "This Is Me Trying". If we don't take into account radio, her releasing the digital and physical copies of "Cardigan" as just a single alone on the 27th should be able to prove that this song was only released as a single on the date itself. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
I mean the whole reason songs are called "singles" is because they're a single release—released separately from the album. I don't personally consider a music video a "release" of a song, it's more promotion of it (like a TV show performance or something). Radio play doesn't equal a single... lol what? So we're going to go through every airplay-only single article and revert them all to songs now? Come on... It was also not available for purchase on Swift's website (or anywhere) on the 24th, so I would have to agree with the July 27 date. I do agree though that it was referred to as the lead single on July 24, but I can't agree that it was released on that date. Heartfox (talk) 18:44, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Not sure why everyone above formatted their posts as replies to mine instead of starting from the left hand side. Either way since consensus has been established, someone can go ahead and change it to the July 27 date. I'm not objecting.--NØ 12:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 So what consensus are we agreeing on? Over at "Exile", seems like the release date has been the date the song was pushed out to radio, yet the date here is different; I'll change to July 27 for the time being for standardisation. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 11:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
I agree that the release date in the infobox should be July 27, as it is the day we have reliable sources backing it up being released as a single. We can separately mention the release of the song together with the album and the music video on July 24. Shuipzv3 (talk) 12:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

hi friends! i came to this article in passing and noticed that the descriptions of the instrumentation and music video seem more like a positive review than an objective description. if someone who knows more about wikipedia than i could either correct it to fall in line with wikipedia standards or tell me that it’s fine and i’m wrong that would be appreciated. thank you! 2600:6C44:5F7F:BAB0:C4FD:D200:878B:15B7 (talk) 17:54, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. I've removed from the lead some subjective adjectives, some of which were unsourced (like "melancholic violins"), and that bit of WP:SYNTH ("widespread acclaim"). Poirot09 (talk) 09:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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