# Talk:Mykola Leontovych

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Lentovych was not Russian composer, he was a part of Ukrainian culture. Ukraine was a part of Russian empire and Russia oppressed Ukrainian culture. Finally the composer was killed by Russians. So it’s not politically correct to tell tthat he was a Russian composer. Alex0569 (talk) 06:04, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

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There's a "Semen Barmotin" in text. In [1], (ref name="composers"), spelled as "С.Бармотіним", and it seems not a general name splling [2]. In other hands, Semyon Barmotin is in wikipedia. (here is the spelling [3], БАРМОТИН Семён). Are these two people the same person? --Suisui (talk) 03:28, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

The lead lists his death date as 23 January 1921.  However, the body says he was murdered on "the night of 22/23 January 1921", but then later says he was shot at "7.30 in the morning".  The date and time of day are inconsistent. —Bagumba (talk) 17:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

On the one hand, Ukraine was pert of the Russian Empire through his life (at least until the very end and formation of the USSR), so it's arguably correct to say he's Russian from a nationality standpoint. On the other hand, there is strong cultural identification to Ukraine. What's the best way to describe him in the intro sentence? —C.Fred (talk) 13:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree that generally such people should be described as Russian per MOS:NATIONALITY. However, in this case, the ethnicity (Ukrainian) is indeed relevant to his notability. See for example this article ("Leontovych was undeniably the most brilliant and original exponent of the Lysenko school in Ukrainian music..."). It also does seem a bit strange for the opening to call him Russian while it also refers to Mykola Lysenko as Ukrainian. Mellk (talk) 13:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
It's not strange, his nationality was Russian and his ethnicity was Ukrainian. Feel free to add that he was Ukrainian by descent, but still his nationality was Russian. ... discospinster talk 19:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Chopin was also a Russian subject. Try calling him Russian in his article, and see what happens.--Aristophile (talk) 18:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
According to MOS:NATIONALITY, mentions of ethnicity are acceptable when it is "relevant to the subject's notability". In Leontovych's case, he was much more influential and important within Ukraine specifically than in the Russian Empire generally. This was also the case with a later composer, Borys Lyatoshynsky; his article's lead refers to him as Ukrainian, despite being officially a Russian, then later Soviet citizen. I agree with Mellk and believe Leontovych's ethnicity should be mentioned in the lead. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:14, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, his ethnicity should be mentioned in the lead, but his actual Russian nationality should also be mentioned, since that is the country he lived in when he became notable. Selena Quintanilla, who is of Mexican descent, is very popular in Mexico as a singer of Mexican-influenced music, but she was American by nationality (from south Texas, which used to be a part of Mexico), and the lead in her article reflects that. ... discospinster talk 00:15, 13 December 2024 (UTC)