# Talk:Master Sword

Despite fan insistence, neither the Magical Sword nor the White Sword are actually the Master Sword; Nintendo had the chance to make it so when this game was ported to the Game Boy Advance, but they did not.
Now this is not *wrong*, but it's not *right* either. Nintendo didn't (to my knowledge) change Gannon, Rupy, Rupies, etc. etc. etc. nor did they correct the Old man's tentative grasp of the English language. Now I'm not going to revert it (well, I don't have the power to, but that's not the point!), but I don't think this is really "true" as such, judging by the other errors still featured in the game. What do you think? Please discuss. Master Thief Garrett 09:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my tendency would be to agree with MTG that Nintendo wasn't really interested in "fixing" the game, but this whole thing is sort of beside the point, since my opinion about the "Magical Sword" is that it doesn't have anything to do with the Master Sword, since the Master Sword was invented in Link to the Past. Talking about the role of the Master Sword in games before 1992 (or whenever it was) is pointless. --Carl 16:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It should be noted, as an aside, that according to the GANNON-BANNED section, Gannon and some other errors were apparently fixed in the Collector's Edition version of the game. Whether or not it fixed the Magic Sword I don't know. I will check to see if IGN etc. has a screenshot of it. Not that that makes the situation any different, but still a point of interest. Master Thief Garrett 23:12, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The whole reason I merged the sections on LoZ and AoL together was to make the connection that the swords that appear in both of these games are similar to the Master Sword in appearance (blue hilt, light-coloured blade). So even if these swords are not to be considered one in the same as the Master Sword, this should at least be pointed out so that mention of is not irrelevent. --Tydaj 02:02, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
On the official Zelda website, it says the Magic Sword and the Master Sword are indeed the same weapon. However, the problem is wheter the site is any accurate. http://zelda.com/universe/pedia/m.jsp -- DynamoDT
I wouldn't think so... It doesn't outright say, "Yes, the Magical Sword of old and the Master Sword you all know and love are, indeed, one in the same". Rather, it just lists the NES games (in smaller lettering) as games that the Master Sword has appeared in, with no mention of the Magical Sword. It could have easily been an error.208.101.160.214 22:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Note that many do not consider the Wind Waker proper canon.

Really? News to me. It seems pretty clear from the story line that it fits in place a few hundred years after OoT/MM and before LttP. It's all just a matter of the kids sailing off someplace and naming it Hyrule too. That they had to move could also explain why in LttP there are no Gorons, etc.
Many, many, MANY fans hate WW because of the kiddy graphics therefore some "ostracise" it from their view of the series altogether! But from an official point of view it's as canon as any other game in the series. Master Thief Garrett 01:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
If someone would state where it's said that the Master Sword is also called the "Sword of Evil's Bane" it would be more authoritive. Cúchulainn 00:08, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
Erm, it's called SoEB up, down and across Ocarina of Time. Sheik, Rauru, the manual, and the player's guide all refer to it as such. There are a couple in-game references in other games too. Adam Marx Squared 00:25, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"Soul Calibur II and Super Smash Bros: Melee
Link's basic and most balanced weapon and companion to the Hylian Shield."
One problem, besides the colon of course: SSBM has no relevance _whatsoever_ to the storyline, whereas various interpretations of the storyline include SCII. Furthermore, I said "basic and most balanced weapon" because in SCII he has a number of weapons that are not the Master Sword & Hylian Shield (such as the Cane of Byrna, Mirror Shield or Razor Sword). If we use it in this sense, the Master Sword is actually his ONLY weapon in SSBM, the Bow, Bombs and Boomerang aside. For now, however, I will not remove it. For now.

Perhaps it would be better to organize first by name (magical sword vs. Master Sword) and then by game? --Tydaj 00:38, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

What???Toonami Reactor (talk) 15:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I belive that the first time the Master Sword appeared (according to the timeline of all of the games together) was in OoT. Even though A Link to the Past was created first, wasn't it set later in the timeline than OoT? --A.J. 20:31, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
OoT was a prequal to The Legend of Zelda in the story line's chronology, but in actuality since LoZ was the first game, which inspired OoT, it carried the first notion of it having the virtue of being made first. I suppose you would have to decide on which sense to use, the storyline or real-time. EreinionFile:RAHSymbol.JPG 23:06, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

There is little agreement on what the timeline is, and for some parts even Miyamoto says he's not sure(!) so I'd maybe leave it in game order. That way very few can complain. Master Thief Garrett 00:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
It's peculiar in that it's a sort of an anachronism (B is A because A is B sort of case). I think it should be stated that the term was first introduced to the public in the first game, but was used as a catalyst for the use in OoT, which consolodated the storyline. EreinionFile:RAHSymbol.JPG 01:43, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
OoT was not the first game created, but came first on the timeline. So the first appearence of the Master Sword was infact in Ocarina. So the main pic should be a pic of the sword from OoT.Toonami Reactor (talk) 14:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
But that is only if you were to talk about timline wise (Which, to me, would be proper).Toonami Reactor (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

If there was a confirmed timeline that it was at all possible to base things on, then maybe. But there's not, so we go by real-world time.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 16:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Who cares about timeline?  This is an encyclopedia, not a fan page.  I want factual information.  Not fictional what ifs.129.139.1.68 (talk) 16:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been going through the article, and it feels very choppy.  Does anyone object to my going through the entire article and fixing up some of the sections to make them flow a bit smoother?  None of the information will be changed, or the article organization, just the sections themselves.  If I don't get an objection by tomorrow, I'll proceed.  Kuro YoakeSpeak to me!! 15:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I was playing ocarina of time and I noticed that during the cutscene where you remove the master sword from its pedestal, there appears to be something written on the gold spot above the guard. Here are some screenshots. [1][2] Can anyone tell if it's Kanji or if it's just gibberish? Ziiv 04:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It's the Triforce symbol. ToaDjango 21:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
How can that be the Triforce? There's two vertical lines under the main body of the symbol.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 21:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
If you look on a CGI render, or official art, it is a symbol of the Triforce. The reason it looks like that is, well, the N64's graphics weren't at the level of St. Peter's Basilica.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 21:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I was looking at a the official art for TW and in one of the pictures of link with the master sword I noticed some Hylian writing on the top of the hilt and on the golden diamond thing.--Suprboy772 (talk) 02:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
This peaked my interest and i have to agree witht he first post. When young link first grabs the hilt of the sword it is the gold diamond however when he pulls it out the design changes. This probably dosent mean anything but yes, its true. 67.142.161.33 (talk) 20:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I've moved Hyrule to Universe of The Legend of Zelda series, and am considering merging this into that as an "artifact of the series' universe". Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

As it has high importance on the Zelda scale, I would put this on hiatus and wait to see if it can be improved.Toonami Reactor (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Not really. There's not much to say about it, and a merge would definitely be appropriate.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 16:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I think it might be helpful to merge it in the short term. If someone were to find adequate sources, splitting it back out would be fine at a later time. But a full article with no third-party sources just invites original research / deletion (from opposite extremes). Randomran (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. It's not being actively worked on it seems, and the article would be significantly smaller after a cleanup for encyclopedic content. Merging it for now would be the best bet.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I think it can be safely merged, there is very little content that isn't in universe, so nothing will be lost, and can always be resurrected if more is found. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

In the article it states that the Master Sword can control time. Whether this was ntended literally or for OoT's story line is debatable in my mind. The sword itself cannot control time, Raru states that after Child Link drew the sword from its pedestol he sealed Link's body in the chamber of sages for (roughly) 7 years. This was done so Link was able to wield the Master Sword in and all of its power. The sword however cannot control time, it merely acts as a bridge between the past (child Link) and the future (Adult Link).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.161.34 (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC) 

Correct. The OCARINA can control time, but the sword sped time up ONLY because Link was too young.Toonami Reactor (talk) 14:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Greenish Pickle! I've only just recently had a discussion with Cukie Gherkin and we agreed to include it in the reception to replace another image. Its purpose is to illustrate how the sword has become an integral part of the character's visual identity e.g. as shown in cosplay. Fieryninja (talk) 10:22, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh I see. Feel free to revert. GreenishPickle!  (🔔) 10:34, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
If you're gonna work characters into GA, less prominent articles (few appearances) like Navi (The Legend of Zelda) and/or Fi (The Legend of Zelda) are the easiest to do. GreenishPickle!  (🔔) 04:40, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Reception should form as paragraph not like this GreenishPickle!  (🔔) 00:33, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Greenish Pickle! to which guideline are you referring? The reception was organised by standard usage of a paragraph e.g. only one idea per paragraph and in a logical reading order. You have randomly created three paragraphs and moved things around so that the first paragraph for example now features several different points included in one paragraph that have no relevance to each other e.g. the Celtic influences and the IGN mentions are completely separate points. I just don't think that it reads as well being mixed up like this. Fieryninja (talk) 12:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Oh I see, you can separate that in another paragraph. GreenishPickle!  (🔔) 12:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Also, congrats on your first GA article. GreenishPickle!  (🔔) 12:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Maybe it would work if I restore the order but reduce the number of paragraphs down? Fieryninja (talk) 12:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Having one by one paragraph at reception turns reader off. Even Cukie disliked it when she reviewed one of my articles GreenishPickle!  (🔔) 12:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
It is strange that Wikipedia doesn't use standard paragraph formatting but as I say I think we can compromise on about three, as you have already done that yourself. Large walls of text also can put readers off. Fieryninja (talk) 12:35, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Hmm. I think it can be doable for you to put it back in order, but reduce the paragraph and I think it should be fine. GreenishPickle!  (🔔) 12:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I guess it works unlike the character articles. GreenishPickle!  (🔔) 12:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I've tagged the first appearance image for context. To re-state my edit summary, the image caption states its the first apperance from the Super Nintendo game. The image is from promotional art (the sources doesn't state where the art originates from. I've seen it in some nintendo published material before I believe, but can't name it off the top of my head). The way the sentence is, it makes it look like this is how you'd first see it. I like the graphic/design/art a lot! But it read as if this is how you'd encounter it in the game from the sentence, which is not the case. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:26, 13 August 2025 (UTC)