# Talk:Hilda Solis

I have removed a few potentially non-neutral words from my original reference to the TV spot cut by Solís endorsing an indicted public official, inexplicable in light of her strong previous anti-corruption stances.Pr4ever (talk) 10:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

a surprise pick considering earlier rumors that workers-rights activist Mary Beth Maxwell would be selected. Solis' selection was dismaying to LGBT advocacy groups, as Maxwell would have been the first openly gay cabinet member. Meanwhile, the news was uplifting for Latinos, who make up 15 percent of the nation's population, as Solis is only the second Latino (and the first Latina) among Obama's nominees to the fifteen-member cabinet. (It is also worth noting that Latinos are hugely underrpresented among the country's low-wage earners, like Solis's own parents while the congresswoman was growing up.) 
Let  us consider this piece of identity-group politics after the reaction of labor and management and economists, people actually interested in her performance as Secretary of Labor, have been included. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not just that it is "identity politics" insofar as it is commentary. You were correct in removing it.--Jersey Devil (talk) 05:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

According to several reports going out it appears that Solis is the next choice for Labor Secretary of the new Obama administration. I saw that another user updated this article by adding a "Labor Secretary" infobox. I have removed it because (1) she has not yet officially been named the nominee for this cabinet position by the campaign and (2) it did not specify that she would need to be confirmed by the Senate (for instance Bill Richardson's article specifies this on his infobox). Just wanted to make my actions clear on here.--Jersey Devil (talk) 05:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Since Khoikhoi shot down my first edit of this article, I'm hesitant to do another.  However, this Freedom@Work blog page (Freedom@Work and its host are biased against Solis, I know) highlights an issue in the USA Today article Tax snafus add up for Obama team:

Records show Sayyad had two liens, from 1994 and 1996, for $1,255 in unpaid state sales taxes. The remaining two, from 1994 and 1995, are for $786 in unpaid county health and safety fees.

Since she is the nominee for Secretary of Labor, shouldn't her husband be aware of the importance of paying health and safety fees?  Would this issue be outside the scope of the article?  I generally agree that her husband's business tax problems should not fall on her head, but this issue seems to be an exception in my mind.  Comments? -JohnAlbertRigali (talk) 07:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

The current article cites that USA Today story in three places, so we're certainly not ignoring it.  Certain points in that story and other ones need follow-up, however.  One, it says that "Sayyad plans to appeal", suggesting that Sayyad thinks some or all of these liens were inaccurate or unfair.  This is amplified by this Los Angeles Times story, where "[The county tax collector] said liens are not necessarily an indication that a business or an individual is trying to avoid paying taxes. Businesses can run into financial difficulties, and honest disputes can arise".  Two, the USA Today story says "It is not clear, however, whether Sayyad settled the four other outstanding liens for county health fees"; that obviously needs clarification.  Three, the LAT story says that "The couple files a joint tax return, but Sayyad is the sole proprietor of his business ... and all tax communications about his business are sent to him at a separate address."  Are these county taxes even paid as part of a tax return, or are they submitted separately?  As for your point, she was a California State Senator in 1994 and 1995, not a Secretary of Labor nominee.  We have no idea how these county health and safety fees were calculated or collected, and whether he ignored them knowing what they were or whether this was part of some larger calculation or return that went wrong.  So I think we need a good follow-up story on this matter before we can conclude much more than the article says now.  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
It seems that you're much more aware of the issue than I am.  I'll stay out of the way and let you proceed in your excellence. -JohnAlbertRigali (talk) 11:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Just to follow up, this new Politico story indicates that they filed separate tax returns, not joint, and also says that Sayyad is contesting the liens.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
A rather small amount, isn't it? I'll read through the article. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm finding the subject to be verging upon irrelevancy and WP:NPOV. Remember that volunteers are working to create an encyclopedic research tool here with focus on the subjects of research. The extant politician here should be the main focus of the article, and a mundane, irrelevant tax issue sullies the quality of the article. If there was some significance to the tax issue, it would be relevant however I'm not seeing anything remotely significant about it. When dealing with high-profile politicians who are still living, great care must be taken to avoid WP:NPOV and ideology-motivated editing. The subject of a husband's taxes is not relevant and appears to be biased ideology motivated. Damotclese (talk) 15:27, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure why this has suddenly come up in Talk - both the issue and this article's coverage of it are from four and a half years ago.  But I believe the coverage that's been in the article all this time is fair (it gives her husband's side of the story) and reasonably weighted (100 words in a 5,000 word article).  Solis had a fairly difficult confirmation process - if I remember correctly she was the last of Obama's cabinet nominees to be confirmed - and this was part of it.  Is it fair for politicians to be held accountable for the actions of their spouses?  Maybe, maybe not, but the reality of the political arena is that they are, and WP articles have to describe that.  BLP speaks to not including innuendo or rumor or completely irrelevant personal details, but tax issues are fundamental ethical matters that are always real issues (indeed one of these sources talks about how Solis was one of several Obama nominees to hit tax troubles).  The sources involved are mainstream ones like WaPo and USA Today, and other mainstream sources like this LA Times story and this Cleveland Plain-Dealer story and this The Hill story and so on reported on it too.  Since I am the one who originally added this material, I can assure you its inclusion is not ideologically motivated (look at the list of political biographies I've brought to GA or FA level and you'll see a variety of characters, past and present, both parties, male and female, etc).  I was simply describing her nomination and confirmation process, and this was part of it.   Wasted Time R (talk) 01:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
FYI: Reason I brought it up was she spoke at our patriotic concert (I'm a revered tenor). I'll add a note at the bottom to catch myself up in editing here. TNKS, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)-- PS: I didn't mean to waste your time and I took notes on her talk with intent to add here to TALK(below).

I've done a lot of work researching and expanding this article, but I haven't been able to find the year of her marriage to Sayyad, which should be basic biographical information.  Anyone know it?  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I scoured the Internet and found nothing. -JohnAlbertRigali (talk) 11:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I spoke to her husband, Sam, and can ask him; (or her). Women have better memories on marriage dates. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

We might seriously want to consider updating the main pic of Hilda Solis.  In that picture, she actually looks like a rather attractive woman...so I'm guessing it was taken in 1983 or thereabouts.  Check out this link to a pic from a San Francisco Chronicle article to see what I mean (I can scarcely believe those two pics are of the same woman):  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/02/25/MNC7164C2A.DTL&o=0
I'm not trying to jeer at Ms. Solis (we can't all be attractive forever, and some of us never are; at least she was once), but would we display a picture of Bill Clinton from his bearded Oxford days, as the main pic for his article?  Would the main picture for George H.W. Bush's article be of him in his flight suit, when at age 17, he was the youngest U.S. combat pilot serving in World War Two?  Of course not.  There's nothing wrong with that picture of Ms. Solis...other than the fact it looks nothing like her. And isn't that rather the point of a photograph? KevinOKeeffe (talk) 09:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Can you find a free photo that's more recent? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

If her parents were, as it appears, legal immigrants, the word "legal" should be added in the main article.  This is important because there are 12 million to 20 million illegal immigrants.
As to the performance in office of Solis, she was touting in August 2009 the notion that "green" jobs would constitute a new Industrial Revolution employing many minorities.  Of course, there's not the slightest support for either premise other than that Solis might wish it so.  Jobs which are "green" account for a tiny fraction of one percent of America's jobs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.18 (talk) 03:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC) 

I do not know of any good source that further describes her parents other than just "immigrants".
Regarding her August 2009 statement, such as sourced by this AP story, the current article makes no reference to it.  And even if it is included, it's not this article's role to argue for or against her statement, but simply to relate what she said.  The cases for or against belong to the Green-collar worker article or something related to that.  Wasted Time R (talk) 01:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

For the record, I strongly disagree with User:Labor reporter's repeated inclusion of two paragraphs of material regarding AFGE Local 12's purported disagreements with Solis.  Three of the sources do not qualify as WP:RS and one is a WP:PRIMARY that describes a question regarding flex time rules at a town hall meeting.  Even if this issue were reliably sourced, giving it two paragraphs is WP:Undue weight.  An extended discussion of this is at User talk:Wasted Time R#Labor stuff (because the United States Department of Labor article is also affected).  Unfortunately, I've run out of reverts on this matter.  Wasted Time R (talk) 02:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

There is a fairly significant hole in the background of Hilda Solis that bears filling. She asked the National Parks Service to examine the San Gabriel Valley Watershed and the Angeles National Forest here in Southern California, and to find ways of possibly improving the water quality, protecting species, salvaging some of the region from illegal miners, and also trying to find ways to increase the recreation opportunities some how.
On 14/Sep/2009 there was a metting held by the National Parks Service as part of Solis' dictate to solve some of the environmental and social problems, details of which can be found at Review of Glendora Meeting. Since this stands to be a significant effort to improve living conditions for 22.4 million citizens, some of this effort should be added, perhaps in a new section titled environmental iniatives or some such. Damotclese (talk) 17:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

You need to show some mainstream news coverage, such as in the Los Angeles Times or the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, that describes this initiative by Solis and conveys its significance.  I've looked a little but came up empty.  One person's blog entry does not constitute a WP:Reliable source.  Wasted Time R (talk) 12:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
The Crystal Lake web site isn't a blog, though, it's my own web site and I was covering the meeting that was held in Glendora, California where the at-the-time Congresswoman's iniative was discussed. But you're absolutely right, I need to do some research on this and in fact I should contact the woman's office and get extracts from her official governmental web pages.
It's curious because she has moved on to higher office now that she's in Obama's Cabinet yet the iniative continues, there was another set of NPS meetings held in Southern California last week. If the NPS actually does take over the ANF, that is hugely significant and will ahve been done on her iniative which should be added to her page here.
I'm gonig to send an email to her office and also scan her official web pages. If her web pages don't mention that initiative, I'll ask her staff to get the pages updated. Damotclese (talk) 22:45, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Like with other biographical articles of high-profile figures, I think the content concerning criticism should be set aside in its own section so that those who are seeking this information may find it more readily.   [21:57, May 23, 2012‎ 98.118.251.152]

It's only the poor WP articles that do that.  All of the 2008 and 2012 presidential candidate biographies, for example, integrate criticism and controversies into the chronological narrative where they occurred.  It's only then that you can see the proper context for what happened.  WP is not intended to be a one-stop destination for those who don't like somebody, there are plenty of other websites that can fulfill that role.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

How do I add another section to this page? I want to ask why her connections to the racist group "La Raza" aren't even mentioned on this page. La Raza is, in a nutshell, the Hispanic Ku Klux Klan, and I believe Solis's sister was a high-ranking member of the hate group. Given Solis's support of illegal alien worker "rights" while at BLS, this connection to La Raza is objectively newsworthy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madbowler6 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC) 

Talk section added.  Show me some mainstream, reliable news sources that describe Hilda Solis' relationship with the National Council of La Raza (which is not, as you claim, akin to the KKK).  All I can see is that she gave a speech before their conference in 2009 and received an award from them in 2008.  That's very typical for any Hispanic politician and not worth mentioning in the article.  Also, I don't think the Bureau of Labor Statistics has any role in determining rights of illegal aliens, as you claim.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:07, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
There is none, WastedTime R, none that can be falsified. If there were any actual connections, Google would be capable of providing legitimate references, so we can dismiss the notion outright. Damotclese (talk) 16:24, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

The Money.CNN and Politico web sites are not generally considered to be legitimate references; or perhaps I should say, neither are considered to contain information which can be relied upon to be entirely factual. It would be better to acquire references from reliable news sources, ABC, NBC, CBS, if possible. Damotclese (talk) 16:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

It appears that information about Solis' efforts to bring the National Parks Service in to the San Gabriel River watershed and to effect an NPS overlay of the Angeles National Forest (a National Recreation Area -- NRA) has been removed from the mmain article some time ago, presumably because she instigated the NPS' NRA effort and then changed jobs, in effect religating the NPS' review of the region and the review of the final recommendation process to other politicians or contractors.
Just recently the NPS completed their recommendation and submitted it to Congress, ending the process started by Solis. The Recommendation May Be Found Here. Had the NPS actually recommended viable changes, the main article could be improved by adding details about her involvement in cleaning up the river and the canyons, however the NPS has issued a recommendation that in effect does nothing.
Solis' effort to get the watershed funded and protected, cleaned up and better administered failed though the "investigative" cycle involving the NPS examining the region and pretending to take input from local citizens took almost ten years. In the end, the NPS has recommended almost entirely doing nothing, making the NRA overlay of the ANF fail to happen.
Point being, I'm left wondering if Solis' effort to transform the ANF and the San Gabriel Watershed is significant enough to add to her list of political efforts since it failed. Thoughts? (If it had succeeded, it would have been good to add to her accomplishments. Since the NPS declined to do anything, seems likely it's not worth a main article mention.) Damotclese (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Same answer I gave above – have mainstream news outlets given coverage of this that indicates its significance and her role in it? Wasted Time R (talk) 10:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Quite a bit, yes. The idea began in 2003 when former Rep. Hilda Solis of La Puente moved legislation to begin a study of the area's wildlands by the NPS. And then Hilda Solis launched the study back in 2003 when she was a member of Congress.  And then Chu, a Democratic lawmaker from El Monte who for the last two years has taken the baton for this project from former La Puente-area Rep. Hilda Solis after she went on to serve as President Barack Obama's Secretary of Labor,  Among others.
The San Gabriel Valley Tribune has covered Solis requesting that the National Parks Service investigate the estabolishment of a National Recreation Area, and indeed the NPS web site contains recommendation and progress documentation which covers Solis' instigation of the effort. So yeah, it's well established. Problem is, it failed. Damotclese (talk) 16:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the sources.  I've included a couple of sentences on this in the article.  Significant efforts are still valid to include even if they don't end in success or the outcome people most want.  Look at Category:United States presidential campaigns, 2008 and Category:United States presidential campaigns, 2012 for example – a record of failures of every kind.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I suppose even failed efforts warrant mention, she worked hard on it for several years yet now she's too busy to follow through. Thanks, you're awesome! Damotclese (talk) 18:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

We are starting to lose WP:NPOV on this article, there are references and citations being added to "Fox News" which weakens the legitimacy of the extant article. If editors have some time and desire to recify that problem, it would be nice to replace the "Fox News" references with legitimate references to help increase the weight and legitimacy of the citations. If no legitimate references or citations can be found, suggest we throw {{cit needed}} in there instead. Damotclese (talk) 23:50, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

The references are all to Fox News Latino, which has little editorial relationship to the Fox News you are thinking of.  Read those stories and see for yourself.  They are being used as sources because they've had good coverage of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors race.  What in any of those four references do you specifically object to?  If you are thinking of the investigation into allegations of improper fundraising when she was Secretary of Labor, that reporting has mostly been done by, and is sourced to, the Los Angeles Times.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, yes, I'll bring up each of the citations and references and evaluate them individually, I did not evaluate the accuracy of each since, well, any Fox affiliate source lends Wikipedia articles lower classification than "Good Article." I'll check each one and see what's legitimate and what is not. Damotclese (talk) 17:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
You can't always judge a book by its cover.  Even on the regular Fox News website, a lot of the stories are unobjectionable, being straight (or slightly rewritten) AP pieces.
I also realize I never responded to your earlier talk page post above "Low Quality References".  CNNMoney I'm not that familiar with, but here it is used for a quote that Welch didn't back off of, so I don't see a problem.  (I should really update that passage with the general trend line at the time, which as I remember shows that that month was not an outlier.)  Politico is a more interesting case - they don't make stuff up, but they do tend to play up the drama and importance of minor, transient occurrences (no doubt because they have to file 20 new pieces every day).  So in the past I used Politico more than I do now, as I've grown more wary and generally wait for a confirming story from some other news outlet.  I see in this article that I've got nine Politico-sourced items from five different pieces.  I'd have to look through them to see if anything is excessive.  (At a quick glance now, my guess is some of the back-and-forth of her confirmation process can be eliminated.)  Wasted Time R (talk) 01:01, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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I'm not sure that replacing Columbus Day with Indigenous People's Day could accurately be called "demoted." Perhaps a better word would be "replaced." I don't think replacing one title with another could be considered a "demotion." Damotclese (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
→She's the one that should be demoted  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.35.127.148 (talk) 20:03, 11 November 2018 (UTC) 

This heading seems to be opposite to what was intended, the user is indef blocked, the IP editor remark is off-topic, and I missed this the first time around.  But I think the article's use of 'demoted' is off the mark and so I have rephrased it to just be 'replaced'.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

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What is your decisions on child molesters and thieves being let go back into the general public after being arrested for these crimes. 47.210.82.218 (talk) 09:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)