# Talk:HMS Belfast

The introduction asserts that Belfast was the "largest and arguably most powerful cruiser" in the Royal Navy in 1942. She certainly wasn't the largest and there is no argument made by the cited source for why she was the most powerful. Country class cruisers were larger by all measures (at all times), and they also carried heavier calibre weapons. The IWM is not sufficiently neutral or reliable as a source (being the owner) and the text has been copied verbatim from their website. I have, therefore, removed the text from both sections that use it, as per WP:CV. Wiki-Ed (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

You are incorrect about displacement but correct about weaponry. The Intro. and has been revised, with references, to reflect this. Also, it is ludicrous to argue that the Imperial War Museum is an unreliable source, whether or not it currently owns the ship Billsmith60 (talk) 16:00, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
The references you used make no claim about her being the heaviest RN cruiser ever. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:42, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

The article describes the camo scheme as "Admiralty Disruptive Camouflage Type 25". Was this a dazzle pattern? It looks dazzle-lite - it's very restrained - so I'm not sure whether to link to dazzle in the article. 87.114.59.23 (talk) 23:34, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

I have removed a paragraph relating to a museum studies MA thesis that discusses the 2011 gangway collapse. I've removed this section for the following reasons; the paragraph did not appear to add any new information to the existing text; the paragraph seemed to give undue weight to an MA thesis; the thesis in question gets certain basic facts incorrect in its discussion of the accident (HMS Belfast's visitor centre is not located on Fleet Street); more generally, other errors of fact cast doubt on the thesis' reliability, such as suggesting that Nelson's Victory can be found in London (in a possible confusion with Cutty Sark), and the thesis does not appear to make the point about Belfast attributed to it in the paragraph. --IxK85 (talk) 10:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

I have reverted a user's edit to this page that deleted some of my comments above. Ref the user's edit summary, I do not believe that the comments were undue or unwarranted. As my original post clearly states, the comments explain my rationale for an edit I made to the article. Per WP:TPO, this edit of my comments seems inappropriate. IxK85 (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
I am reverting this back to the edit previousely made, due to the fact that it was indeed unwarrented to cast doupt on an academic work without cause. All points and statements made in the Weiner thesis are cited by reliable sources. Regarding HMS Victory, the vessel is quite often brought to various locations for special events. It is likely that, when the thesis was written, Victory could indeed have been in London. No one should ever cast doubt on any academic work without the auther being given a chance to defend it.Otaku155 (talk) 20:57, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

HMS Victory is NOT "quite often brought to various locations for special events" - Victory has remained in dry-dock at Portsmouth since 1922. If the cited source is claiming that, then it does seem that it hasn't undergone adequate editorial scrutiny. MA dissertations are not normally considered as reliable sources on Wikipedia. (And do not refactor other editors talk page comments unless you have a very good reason).Nigel Ish (talk) 13:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
For future reference and the avoidance of doubt I have restored IxK85's first comment above as it was originally posted in this edit, because there clearly was no good reason for Otaku155's refactoring of it, which was reverted and then repeated.[1][2][3] Quite apart from being bad manners, this refactoring conflicts with WP:TPO, which I would recommend as helpful reading for Otaku155. Regarding the substantive issue, whereas referencing a PhD thesis would be debatable, an MA thesis would, I'm sure, not be WP:RS. Nortonius (talk) 14:04, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Apologies for misunderstanding. I will point out that the error pointed out by IxK85 is cited (with the Victory's own website); perhaps the information in the source material was wrong. Perhaps it was simply an honest misquote or mistake; either way, you should not use it as an opportunity to discredit and call into doubt the entire work, which actually raised some good and accurate points. Why don't you try to contact the author and get the truth? Otaku155 (talk) 03:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Specific errors in the thesis are more or less irrelevant for our purposes. Wikipedia does not consider MA theses to be reliable sources. As such, the point is moot.
On a related subject, the fact that the bulk of your edits has been to promote this thesis makes one wonder if you have a conflict of interest. Parsecboy (talk) 12:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

What this article does not tell me is as to what state the ship is now in? Is it mostly intact or it a hull with some interpretive stuff inside? I mean is it just a floating gate guardian or is it more substantial that with maintenance it could be run again? 86.137.42.85 (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

We'd need a source for that. Can you find one? My assumption would be that it would cost £millions to return the ship to a self-propelled condition, and that it'll never happen. Nortonius (talk) 17:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Is there any accurate info as to how far the 6inch guns would shoot 82.47.47.55 (talk) 11:12, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

They are aligned on, and could reach, the M1 services at South Mimms! BL 6-inch Mk XXIII naval gun gives a maximum range of 25,480 yd (23,300 m). Murgatroyd49 (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Er, London Gateway (formerly Scratchwood).  South Mimms services are at the junction between the M25 and A1. Mr Larrington (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

I have done research but I can't seem to find who was apart of the Belfasts crew. Evan15577 (talk) 12:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Who would you expect to be on-board except crew? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)