# Talk:Hard (Rihanna song)

Some will protest the use of the word "released" in the article text as the song is NOT shown to be available independently as a 'single' as claimed by the infobox used. It is ONLY available as an ALBUM TRACK, yes? Radio is not sales.—Iknow23 (talk) 00:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox single just refers to "earliest known date" not to whether it is via sales or airplay. Candyo32 (talk) 00:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
That should be revised as "earliest known date" could be even before sales or airplay! Does anyone really want that? It would truly be the date written (if known). Next in line would be the date recorded, then date of final mix (first known mix that is, prior to all the remixes common today), etc. "Release date" historically (at least) always meant available for purchase. Since this uses infobox single, I think it should mean available for purchase as a single.—Iknow23 (talk) 01:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
See Release (music). I do acknowledge that THAT article is not well developed.—Iknow23 (talk) 01:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Well if the album track case would be used this, then why wouldn't the label/artist give every track on the album a date to go for adds? That is why they are solicited for a reason as the next singles. Candyo32 (talk) 01:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Radio is promotion or 'solicited' as you say, so the label at least intends for it to be a 'single'.—Iknow23 (talk) 01:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I just always hope that these cases will have a physical release (CD and/or other) somewhere or separate from Album date digital release date somewhere. —Iknow23 (talk) 01:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

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Hi, Candyo32!  I'm beginning my GA review for this article.
Reviewer: Torchiest (talk | contribs) 18:00, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is pretty good, but it has a number of issues that need attention before it becomes a good article.
Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality: 
You had some problems with grammar and punctuation.  I went ahead and fixed them.
B. MoS compliance: 
When you use quotation marks inside of other quotes, you have to alternate single and double quotes.  See WP:MOSQUOTE for details.  I fixed this as well.
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources: 
You shouldn't use references in the lead, since it should be a broad overview of the contents.  Save the references for when you get to the detailed explanations in the sections.
B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: 
Reference #8 is a bare link to an online forum.  That's not a WP:RS.  Can you find another source for showing how many top ten hits she's had, and comparing that to Beyoncé?  EDIT: Fixed, but I noticed that #34 is a bare link, and what it points to has no information about Rihanna charting.  It must've changed since you first found it EDIT: Just removed it for now.  The article is still fine without it.
C. No original research: 
Few minor problems here and there. most of which I corrected.  You shouldn't put the word "yelling" in quotes in the video description, unless it's actually a quote.  If she's yelling, and it's described that way in the source, just say yelling, otherwise use whatever word is in the source.  If you're just describing the video, just pull the quotes altogether. EDIT: This still needs to be corrected, and I couldn't find anything in the sources saying she was a lieutenant in particular.  Did you read that somewhere?  If not, you should change it.EDIT: Fixed.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: 
Is there any way you can expand the background section?  It seems a little thin to me.  Maybe a quote from Jeezy about how he got involved, or from The Dream or Tricky?  In the critical reception section, you should add more reviews. Since this song was pretty popular, two isn't really enough.  I've found this: [the metacritic listing], which you can use to expand your reviews.  The reviews are for the album, but I'm sure some mention the track "Hard".  Just dig around and try to get a few more comments on it. EDIT: Fixed, but I pulled the NYT review, as it didn't have a URL and was really talking about other songs on the album, not "Hard" itself.  I don't think you need to worry about fixing it, since you have so many reviews now.
B. Focused: 
In the lead, the sentence about Jeezy needs to be re-written.  I'd just mention that he's in the song, then give the details in the article itself, since the part about his name change isn't really important in relation to the song.  Also, give a quick mention somehow that it had a number of notable live performances, and that it was remixed.EDIT: Fixed first part, still need to add a sentence or two to cover the live and remix sections.EDIT: Fixed.
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: 

Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc: 

Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: 

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 
The core of this article is solid, but it mainly needs some polishing up before it's ready to be listed as a good article.  The main issues are minor lead clean-up, expanding the two sections I mentioned, and getting a better source for the top ten hits count.  Still, I think this can make it to good article.  Good luck!
Torchiest (talk | contribs) 19:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
EDIT: This is coming along nicely!  You've fixed most of the major problems, and just have a few minor touch-ups to get it to GA status. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 03:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
EDIT: This is good to go!  Congrats. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 11:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Isnt a release date to be kept for the song as the other songs. And is it important to mention the month and place of recording because all the other singles do not have it mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.176.32.29 (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC) 

{{editsemiprotected}}
in the release history section, add that "Hard:The Remixes" was released as a Digital Download on January 19, 2010.Source.

 Done Not sure it really belonged in the release section, however I did add the information to the article. Avicennasis @ 07:36, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

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Calvin, why can't this URL be included [1]. It is not obvious in the link you gave at the FAC. Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 23:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

"Thanks to everyone for weighing in. So, deriving a tentative conclusion from the above input, if we cite musicnotes.com –
the link to the paysite/software download page should go, and the sheet music should be cited like treeware, without a link
whenever we use the sheet music as a source for a song's tempo, expressed as x beats per minute, or for descriptions of any other musical details, we need to indicate in the text that we are citing Alfred Music Publishing's sheet music published by whoever the publisher of the sheet music is in the specific case, and not a source describing the actual song as recorded and released." Says "without a link". Calvin • TalkThatTalk  23:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Calvin, a bad decision IMHO – but this is a discussion for elsewhere. There are loads of medical reliable sources that need subscriptions. Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 23:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC) PS. what is treeware ;-)
What? I don't understand what you mean by medical reliable sources that need subscriptions? Calvin • TalkThatTalk  23:56, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Not for this article! I was referring to WP:MEDRS, where it says "A Wikipedia article should cite the best and most reliable sources regardless of whether they require a fee or a subscription." That's all. Graham Colm (talk) 00:23, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't even know what it means lol. Calvin • TalkThatTalk  00:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)