# Talk:Cliff Alexander

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Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 21:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: TonyTheTiger(T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)
Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have my full review up shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 21:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors: .
b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists: 

2: Verifiable with no original research

a. Has an appropriate reference section:  Yes
b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:  good

c. No original research:   Done

3: Broad in its coverage

  Done

4: Neutral

5: Stable: No edit wars, etc: 
6: Images  Done (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license)

As per the above checklist, the issues identified are:

The lead does not provide an accessible overview and does not give relative emphasis.
The lead is too short in comparison to the content in the body and should be expanded.
Paragraphs that are very long and very short.
This article is a very promising GA nominee. I'm glad to see your work here. I'm putting the article on hold. All the best! --Seabuckthorn ♥ 23:45, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
A rough analysis of Relative emphasis and due weight for this article could be as given below.
The body of the article is of 2500 words approximately. The distribution of words among sections and subsections is:

High school career (2400 words)
Freshman (200 words)
Sophomore (200 words)
Junior (700 words)
Senior (1100 words)
Summer and preseason (900 words)
2013-14 regular season (200 words)
Comparisons (200)
International play (60 words)
The percentage distribution of words is:

High school career (96% of 2500 words)
Freshman (8% of 2500 words)
Sophomore (8% of 2500 words)
Junior (28% of 2500 words)
Senior (44% of 2500 words)
Summer and preseason (36% of 2500 words)
2013-14 regular season (8% of 2500 words)
Comparisons (8% of 2500 words)
International play (2.5% of 2500 words)
Lets assume the lead is about 10% of the body. The number of words in the lead would be around 250. Considering the percentage distribution and the due weight, the distribution of words in the lead would be:

High school career (96% of 250 words = 240)
Freshman (8% of 250 words = 20)
Sophomore (8% of 250 words = 20)
Junior (28% of 250 words = 70)
Senior (44% of 250 words = 110)
Summer and preseason (36% of 250 words = 90)
2013-14 regular season (8% of 250 words = 20)
Comparisons (8% of 250 words = 20)
International play (2.5% of 250 words = 7)
The lead representative of the body should roughly give due weight in terms of the proportion as is given below:

High school career (240 words)
Freshman (20 words)
Sophomore (20 words)
Junior (70 words)
Senior (110 words)
Summer and preseason (90 words)
2013-14 regular season (20 words)
Comparisons (20 words)
International play (7 words)
I'm giving you a very rough analysis of relative emphasis and due weight which I hope would be useful in conveying my expectations, as a GA reviewer, of a good lead. The lead should approximate my analysis. If you feel I'm wrong anywhere, feel free to correct me or ignore the suggestions altogether. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 19:16, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

First, I have never seen a proportionate emphasis request for a WP:LEAD.  I understand that is what Wikipedia:LEAD#Relative emphasis says, but I have never been asked to do so. I am not sure how close I want to get to the numbers suggested, but I will take a look.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:02, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Apologies. Ignore the example altogether. But do you agree that the lead needs to be expanded for it to provide an accessible overview and give relative emphasis? --Seabuckthorn ♥ 23:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
The lead looks much better now. Tell me when you are done. I'll take a final look then. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 23:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm sort of done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Although I'm still not satisfied with the lead, but I think I'll go with your good judgement. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 04:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Passing the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 04:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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