# Talk:Hurricane Kyle (2008)

OK, this is getting ridiculous... We seriously do NOT need an article on Kyle the second after its upgraded! The article adds absolutely nothing to Kyle's section in the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season. For real, keep this kind of stuff in the sandbox until there's enough information to make a decent article. Right now there is not even close to enough. |C A I N E R||ninety-one| 20:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I get your point, but why not make the article now?  It will only be made into a main article in due time. (Hurricaneguy (talk) 20:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC))
I have added a bit more... You just need to add longer and more words to it. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 20:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
More in to it. And please don't kill me, i added a trivia section, i suggest after the storm ends we move that to a new bit. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 20:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It's OK now, but when it was first published, it was only about 3 sentences long, the templates weren't filled out, and it was just generally a mess. Things like that should be completed and added before publication, in the sandbox! That's what they're there for. I guess i just don't really see the need to have an article on a trivial storm like this. In due time, when it affects NS/NE, sure, but now, not so much. My 2 cents. |C A I N E R||ninety-one| 21:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I did have a sandbox on this, with Preparations, Impact, and everything: User:Plasticup/TD11. Looks as though my work was copy/pasted into this article. Plasticup T/C 21:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Articles on storms are usually created within an hour of being designated or upgraded because they will have plenty of interest. If we wait until after it dissipates, there will be no interest in the storm, and the article will fail to develop as it should. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
That is correct. Likewise if 94L if declared Laura (appears possible but not too likely), expect Tropical Storm Laura (2008) to appear pretty quickly as well. A sandbox is not being made there yet due to the low probability. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I've been sitting on the spreadsheet all day, waiting for Kyle's upgrade.  I could have thrown it online at 3 pm, but that would have been really bad.  hehehehe.  I'm off tomorrow, or I'd have posted it in the morning.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Is that 30 inch estimate I found really true? Plasticup T/C 22:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
There is a measurement from a USGS gage above 30 inches.  Thegreatdr (talk) 23:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It's on the page.  Thegreatdr (talk) 16:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Julian, Would an image suffice for a source? Itfc+canes=me (talk) 08:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Trivia sections. Plasticup T/C 12:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
It wasn't the fact that it was unsourced that promted me to remove it. Trivia sections are strongly discouraged per Wikipedia:Trivia sections. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
So how do we get it into the article? Itfc+canes=me (talk) 17:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Either you don't, or you incorporate it into the appropriate section(s). –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 17:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
In some of the really old hurricane articles they used to do a forecast section about how well the NHC forecasted the storm.... when the reports out we'll do it then? Itfc+canes=me (talk) 09:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Not necessary IMO. It could probably just be stuck somewhere in the SH. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:44, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I really do not think there is a need to put the "New Advisory Style" in the article.  It has nothing to do with the acutal storm itself.  What are other opinions? (Hurricaneguy (talk) 13:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC))

I don't see the harm, although it doesn't need a whole paragraph. One sentence would suffice. Plasticup T/C 15:23, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
It does HurricaneGuy and Plasticup if we can create a whole paragraph then it can have a paragraph. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 18:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The running best track has Kyle at 85mph for 6 hours now, and the 1800Z keeps it at 85mph. NHC however, has it at 80mph. It also shows Kyle becoming a hurricane 6 hours before the operational data [1] Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Lol.... we'll have to wait for report.... also.... SSD now calling Kyle extratropical.... I suggest we prepare for a last advisory. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 19:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Last NHC advisory. However, there are still warnings out in Canada...so at least for now I replaced the template, but kept the current section with the 11 pm data, although someone else is free to change it. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I've added a short blurb about this hurricane in List of Canada hurricanes.  Please keep it updated and remove the "current related" template after the current-event template is removed from Hurricane Kyle (2008).  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Why is there no image of Kyle as a hurricane? It just shows it as a tropical storm.

Find a suitable image and upload it.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Because i'm not a Wikipedia member, I can't copy or paste images from other sources without a GDFL license. It will just be deleted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.209.99 (talk) 22:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC) 

All images need a license, no matter who uploads it. But if you find a good one, I can upload it for you. Just give me the link. Plasticup T/C
Never mind. Someone put an image of Kyle as a hurricane on the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.204.64 (talk) 22:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC) 

I'm changing the top of the storm history from its currently errant wording.  It states Kyle did not have a closed wind circulation near Puerto Rico, which is incorrect.  NHC statements indicated merely it was not well-defined enough to be a tropical cyclone at that time.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I rated Hurricane Kyle as a C-Class article because it does seem to have some form of completion.  Does anyone else agree with this statement? (Hurricaneguy (talk) 20:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC))

I think it should remain at Start-Class, as the impact section is incomplete. The article needs some general work, including formatting the references, as well. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 20:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't Julian... sorry.. ITFC+CANES=ME T31K 19:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
It's at least C class.  Thegreatdr (talk) 19:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I disagree totally. The impact section is incomplete, and the met. history is really lacking. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Since September, assessment issues have been coming up frequently within the project, leading to sock puppetry and people leaving the project.  Here are the C class criteria, in case there needs to be a refresher:
The article is substantial, but is still missing important content or contains a lot of irrelevant material. The article should have some references to reliable sources, but may still have significant issues or require substantial cleanup. The article is better developed in style, structure and quality than Start-Class, but fails one or more of the criteria for B-Class. It may have some gaps or missing elements; need editing for clarity, balance or flow; or contain policy violations such as bias or original research. Articles on fictional topics are likely to be marked as C-Class if they are written from an in-universe perspective.
How does this article fail the given C class criteria?  So far, we have a 3-2 vote supporting C class.  Thegreatdr (talk) 13:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, after looking at the Start-class criteria, I agree this article is C-class. Sorry for the drama. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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