# Talk:Joan Ganz Cooney

This article is barely literate, although full of interesting information.  It stops abruptly.  Can't some knowledgeable person fix it up?
This is a response to the unsigned comment above.  I concur.
This article is on a historically significant person and I regret that I am not the
"knowledgeable person" who can fix it.
Someone who is truly steeped in the history of CTW or PBS children's 
programming could do it. I am especially troubled by the sentence including the clause
"she grew up more affluent than her family had money," which smacks of 
freshman English essays. Pressreleasecop (talk) 01:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I concur with the above section, of course.  I'm probably the most qualified, since my work on the other Sesame Street has made me a kind of an expert, at least on Wikipedia.  This article requires to be completely scrapped; I recommend that someone start completely over with it.  To that end, here are some sources that person would probably find useful:

Street Gang: The Complete History of Sesame Street, by Michael Davis (This book goes into great detail about Cooney's life)
Sesame Street: A Celebration—Forty Years of Life on the Street, by Louise A. Giklow
G is for Growing, Fisch and Truglio (Eds.) (Foreword written by Cooney, full of CTW history)
Children and Television, by Gerald S. Lesser (Seminal book about the origins of The Show and CTW, contains Foreword written by Cooney)
Business Leaders and Success: 55 Top Business Leaders and How They Achieved Greatness, by William J. O'Neil (Useful chapter about Cooney)
Women Pioneers in Television: Biographies of Fifteen Industry Leaders, by Cary O'Dell (chapter about Cooney, Goggle books [1] actually contains the entire chapter)
"Who's Afraid of Big, Bad TV?", by Stefan Kanfer; Time Magazine
Scores of articles, especially following The Show's premiere in 1969.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Joan Ganz Cooney/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 00:32, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Since I haven't been actively involved in editing this article for a few years, I don't think it would be a COI for me to review it. I'll take a thorough look tonight, but it looks solid from first glance.  --  Zanimum (talk) 00:32, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Zan.  Sorry I haven't been able to address your comments before now.
So, I've been reviewing references to Davis:

Ref 5: Would you consider “the youngest of three children”? I read it as if she had three siblings, when she has two.
I've always thought that the phrase means that Ganz family had three children, and Joan Ganz was the youngest of three, which would infer that she had two siblings.
Ref 16, page 71... I'm not sure if this is the correct reference. Is it? The info wasn't jumping out at me on that page.
Huh?  Ref 16 is page 70.
Ref 19: I find Tim Cooney being called a “radical feminist”, but not a “radical liberal”.
You're right, thanks for the catch.
Ref 22: Good use of a quote, but I'm not sure memory-based dialogue is appropriate in Wikipedia.
Not sure what you mean.  Ref 22 isn't a quote.  Are you talking about ref 21?  (Maybe the ref numbering was changed since you made these comments.)  If so, I still don't know what you mean by "memory-based dialogue".  You're right, it is a great quote.  Please further explain your problem with it.
Ref 25: Can you rewrite this own sentence in your own words? Also, the sentence you reference is Chapter 4 Ref 9, which references the full title of the report.
I'm assuming that this is now ref 26.  Rewrote sentence as you recommend, and then consolidated the refs to pp. 66-67.  Now the refs are really screwed up. ;)  On Davis p. 66, last paragraph, he refers to the title of the document.
Ref 33: Even though you didn't reference it, there should be note made of “JCG: Powerful Impact, Gentle Persuasion”, 13, as Davis' information is only as good as that source that neither of us has seen.
Personally, I don't think that's necessary.  The ref supports a bunch of things on Davis p. 125--her husband's support, her reluctance to fight for the position, and that was Davis' thoughts, not just the article you mention.
Ref 42: Davis says the foster child died “well shy” of 30, leaving it open to speculation that he was 27, 28, maybe. Your writing says “before he turned 30”, which may suggest to readers that he was 29. I wonder if we could ask Davis himself of his intention with the sentence. Not OR, just clarification.
Again, not necessary.  We can't always contact the authors of the sources we use.  I think the paraphrase that's here--that Raymond died before he was thirty--is enough.
I'll take a look through Gikow over the next few days, double check those. I'll trust you on Morrow.  --  Zanimum (talk) 17:57, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Gikow checks out.  --  Zanimum (talk) 20:17, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Great, thanks.  Let me know what else I can do; I have the time to devote to this now. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
In response to your question, liberals and feminists share many overlaps, they are not the same thing. Keep in mind, we have separate articles on feminism and liberal feminism. More importantly, you chose to use quotation marks... if you quote something directly, quote it directly.  --  Zanimum (talk) 18:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I understand.  I think that I do quote directly.  I attribute the "radical feminist" description of Tim Cooney to Davis, and then immediately include a ref.  I wonder if we should wikilink the phrase.  I'm not sure that Davis meant it in the technical sense.  I don't have strong feelings one way or the other, so if you think we should link it, we can. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
I've passed the article. Note that I've not passed it as Theatre/dance/opera/other media, which isn't the most relevant category, but as Television. While she's worked in multiple mediums (which I believe you're referencing by the category), it's television at the heart of it all. One of your other past GAs was Television, another was this same alternative category. Congrats.  --  Zanimum (talk) 19:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up, the Wall Street Journal says that the Sesame Workshop gala award will be named after Cooney from now on, 14 years in.  --  Zanimum (talk) 14:08, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

"Her father, Sylvan Ganz, was a native Phoenician who was born in the U.S. so that his mother could receive medical care after his birth"
This is interestingly confusing.  I read that her grandfather, Emil Ganz, was a German native, Civil War veteran, and a 3-time Phoenix mayor.  It doesn't suggest that her grandmother (The article on Emil recites that "Ganz married Bertha Angleman of Kansas City, Missouri in 1883") was not a U.S. native or traveled to the Middle East at any point).  So her father was adopted?  And was that part of the world (present-day Lebanon, I suppose) really called Phoenicia back then?
I guess I could listen to the entire video interview (n. 3, ~ 30 minutes), but I'd rather not. Terry Thorgaard (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Uh, is it possible that Phoenician in this context refers to natives of Phoenix, Arizona?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.19.177.245 (talk) 16:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC) 

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Some time back, an editor changed all references to Mrs. Cooney's surname to "Ganz Cooney", and even added a template to that effect at the top of the article.  This is incorrect; see MOS:SURNAME.  Consequently, I'm making the corrections now. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)