# Talk:Lewis Hamilton

86.18.112.45 (talk) 01:30, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

8 time world champion

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – haj ☘ (talk) 01:56, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

I disagree with this recent deletion. While I would agree that, in general, pets are trivial topics for biography articles, they may hold considerable significance for some owners. This was obviously the case for Hamilton and Roscoe. This is wholly separate from any "media following" that his dogs may have attracted. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:12, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

The death is also reported by BBC, Sky Sports, Formula 1, New York Times, Today, etc. etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:23, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
I agree, depth of coverage indicates this is significant and should be included.  Cerebral726 (talk) 16:07, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
I disagree. While pets may hold considerable significance to their owners, that does not give them encyclopedic relevance. For example, despite there being many reports on Roscoe across the news agencies you have cited over the past decade, there is only a singular reference to him on the page currently: "A likeness of Hamilton's dog, Roscoe, was also added to the game [fortnite]." There is no mention of his adoption or the existence of Hamilton's other dog. In light of this, the recently deleted statement seems out of place. MadelynnSienna (talk) 16:07, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
I'd suggest that previous omissions from this article are probably not the best yardstick to use. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:20, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
I'd suggest that if you intend to reinstate the original statement, you'll have to first fix these omissions, otherwise it will look like trivia and risk removal in the future as well. The current omissions are incredibly relevant to this, as given that there is no statement regarding his adoption, it makes no sense to discuss his death currently either. If you were to change this, the argument for its inclusion would be far stronger. MadelynnSienna (talk) 16:27, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
Yes, happy to see 2013 adoption mentioned, although I'm not sure that's a legally binding process in the UK. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:34, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
I don't think it has to be so long as you can find a reliable source stating that Lewis adopted him in 2013. MadelynnSienna (talk) 16:41, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
Errrm... like the BBC one I've linked to immediately above? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
Yeah, that would work. Ideally though, it should be one published from closer to the time of the adoption that primarily discusses that rather than his death. MadelynnSienna (talk) 17:06, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
I'll have a look. I expect someone might beat me to it... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:44, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
Roscoe's death is not a standout biographical point of Lewis Hamilton. I would support rephrasing it to focus on his interest in dogs and media coverage of his ownership of Roscoe and Coco. We certainly do not need a date and cause of death as if it were an immediate family member. His dog died during his lifetime: water is wet. MB2437 17:36, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
It certainly looked like a standout moment for him. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:40, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
His dog's death itself lends no intrigue to readers who want to understand his life and career. I would suggest something along the lines of His ownership of two Bulldogs—Roscoe (2013–2025) and Coco (2013–2020)—was widely covered in social and mainstream media. MB2437 21:09, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
I disagree. Given that he is neither married nor does he have children, his dogs formed an incredibly large part of who he is outside racing (i.e. his personal life - he literally ran an Instagram account for them). His relationship, for a lack of better terms, with them, is a point of far more intrigue to readers that the social media and mainstream coverage of said dogs. This is substantiated by the fact that he stated it was the "hardest decision of his life" to put Roscoe to sleep. I believe the article in its current form sufficiently covers this. MadelynnSienna (talk) 22:08, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
I would argue that the "hardest decision" point holds little weight when that phrase has been used to describe several points in his life.[1][2][3] Mentioning his death before even mentioning his existence feels odd; the suggestion above covers his lifespan. MB2437 23:32, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
All the other points of his life that were his "hardest decision[s]" that you have linked are currently referenced in the article in some form, hence it merits keeping the part about his dogs and their death. Currently, his death and existence are acknowledged in the same sentence. I think that's fine. In my opinion, what you have proposed focuses too heavily on their "social media and mainstream coverage" rather than the pets themselves. MadelynnSienna (talk) 07:00, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
I'd suggest that if readers want to "understand his life", they need to known the emotional attachment he felt to Roscoe, and probably also to Coco as well. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
Proposal (for somewhere in "Personal life" section):

"On 29 September 2025, Hamilton revealed that his dog, Roscoe, had died the previous day, following complications from pneumonia. He adopted Roscoe in 2013. His second bulldog, Coco, died in 2020 at the age of six.
Martinevans123 (talk) 12:13, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

@Martinevans123: "Had life-limiting problems surrounding" sounds ungrammatical. Renerpho (talk) 12:16, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
Have now removed the errant word. By all means improve as you see fit. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
I've edited it further to make it more succinct and to the point. I personally think its good to go! MadelynnSienna (talk) 12:29, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:39, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
p.s. do we need all 5 sources? Or any others? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
I think The Independent article is good enough, the others basically say the same thing so they can go. I couldn't find any information about Coco in those though, so may be worth adding something to substantiate that part. MadelynnSienna (talk) 12:55, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
Have now added. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
The Independent and Sky Sports articles alone are enough for everything except the parts in bold: On 29 September 2025, Hamilton revealed that his dog, Roscoe, had died the previous day, following complications from pneumonia. He adopted Roscoe in 2013, alongside a second bulldog, Coco, who died of a suspected heart attack in 2020. Renerpho (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
That's what I meant, sorry. MadelynnSienna (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
Do we need Coco's cause of death? Renerpho (talk) 13:05, 30 September 2025 (UTC) I've rephrased it and removed everything but those two references. What do you think? Renerpho (talk) 13:06, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
No objections. Who knows, perhaps someone will suggest Roscoe (dog). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
Have updated Roscoe at List of individual dogs#Fame by proxy to a famous owner (see sub-section Other). It seems he was vegan, and "made frequent appearances at Formula One grands prix", although those claims are not sourced there. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:06, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: I've added [4] there for the vegan part, and [5] for the "frequent appearances" part. Renerpho (talk) 16:25, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
Well done, Renerpho! We'll soon have enough for Rosco (Formula 1 dog) at this rate. Poor thing. I'm reminded of the great Morrisey, for some reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:36, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: I don't think I would support the creation of an article about the dog. A redirect to that list of dogs, maybe... Renerpho (talk) 18:02, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
Yes, a redirect might be useful. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:17, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: I've set an anchor in the list of individual dogs, such that Roscoe (dog) now points directly to that second "Others" section. I'm not 100% sure if that redirect will survive, but I find it a plausible search term. The longer one that includes "formula 1", not so much. Renerpho (talk) 19:02, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
Fair enough. I had my doubts it would successfully qualify. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
I think the current wording in the article is fine and support it being included. Sad news about Roscoe. Hamilton clearly had a very deep bond with his lovely Bulldog, who died at the age of 12. The fact that Hamilton was quoted as saying it was the "hardest decision of his life" to put Roscoe to sleep shows the emotional impact the beloved pet had on his life. Incidentally, a dog can be healthy on a vegan diet, but cats (as obligate carnivores) are likely to be deeply unhappy without meat. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 21:41, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

In the #Recognition subsection, please add this bullet point:

Main belt asteroid 508440 Lewishamilton, by Mount Lemmon Survey (2025)
Thank you. Renerpho (talk) 17:00, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

 Go ahead: I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page.  GoldRomean (talk) 04:47, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Will do, thank you! Renerpho (talk) 18:56, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

@FormulaFreak1 Please discuss changing the lead image of Hamilton here first and establish a consensus. I personally do not think the image you are proposing is a good alternative as it is by the looks of it a Mission 44 visit to 10 Downing Street. It is not a directly racing related image. We should hold off an update till there is one from Ferrari. Newer is not always better.
As for your other edits:

The image marking his Ferrari signing needed is relevant as it is the only pictorial representation of his time with the team. Images under a heading usually indicate the heading itself, so I don't see why that is relevant reason to remove it here.
As for the contract value, it is relevance but  I cannot find it anywhere in the articles cited at the end of that sentence. If it is mentioned elsewhere in the article, please also cite it here.
MadelynnSienna (talk) 09:50, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

Is a racing-related image really necessary (e.g. Sebastian Vettel)? I believe the purpose is to showcase the individual’s appearance, not their profession. While waiting for an image at Ferrari would be ideal, the current photo shows him in a Mercedes suit (and is angled towards his left side), which I believe is misleading and shouldn’t be used in the infobox. Although it doesn’t feature a racing suit, the image I suggested is well-angled and fully suitable for use in the infobox. FormulaFreak1 (talk) 15:37, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
I think the current image is best. Makes sense for a racing driver to be depicted in a racing suit when it also shows them at their approximate current age and appearance. That doesn't seem to be possible for Vettel with the free use photos available of him.  Cerebral726 (talk) 15:47, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
Seconded! MadelynnSienna (talk) 16:24, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
I personally think Sebastian Vettel is the exception here, given that he is a retired driver. Many other driver pages feature them from a side angle or in the suit of a previous team that they no longer drive for (i.e. Nico Hulkenberg, Franco Colapinto, Pierre Gasly, Fernando Alonso, Esteban Ocon, Isack Hadjar, Yuki Tsunoda, Carlos Sainz Jr. and Alex Albon), so I don't think its a massive problem or misleading in the slightest. Furthermore, all the drivers on the current grid (except Liam, for whom we currently are lacking free use images) have pictures of them in some form of racing attire in their infobox, that suggests there is a priority to showcase their profession over purely their appearance. MadelynnSienna (talk) 16:30, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
That could also be due to the fact that we’re lacking images where the drivers aren’t wearing racing-related attire. However, if the majority prefers to stick with the current image, I’m fine with that. FormulaFreak1 (talk) 07:52, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
The current image portrays Hamilton at his most recognisable—competing in Formula One. His appearance has not markedly changed since that point. MB2437 20:37, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
IMO the current image has the best lighting anyways. I'd be fine changing it if we get a similar quality photo of him in Ferrari attire though, for now we can just leave it. QWisps (talk) 23:57, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Apologies if this topic has been discussed before. In this source he says: "I'm ADHD, so if I do cook something — say a pasta dish — I’ll make it, but then I’ll have to clean everything I used before I eat it." The 2020 interview in Gentleman's Journal was later picked up by ADHD UK here. Perhaps there are other sources? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:29, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

Gentleman's Journal doesn't appear at WP:RSP, but I have no idea of its reliability. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:38, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

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