# Talk:David M. Shoup

A very minor note that the ship Matsonia (formerly SS Malolo) was indeed owned by the US government during WWII, which is why it was entered as "USS Matsonia" in this article until a recent edit trimmed it back to just Matsonia. At the start of the war, the US government bought a number of private ships for troop and supply movement, and in many cases offered them back to their original owners at a bargain price after the war. This is the case with Matsonia (ex-Malolo), though I don't know if the ship was specifically designated 'USS' rather than 'USAT' or similar; diaries and journals of the period often get this detail wrong. Binksternet (talk) 10:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I enlisted in the Marine Corps in June 1955 , serving in 2/5 Camp Pen. ;Amtracs Yokosuka ; 9th Mid - Camp Fuji and Oki.; then, in 1959 untill discharge in Oct, at Div. Comm.Camp Pen. I am not aware of how closely or, distantly related I and the General might be and that is not the subject of this posting . I have entered the foregoing merely to pre - answer anyone who may be curious about our shared last name. That said, I would be most honored were I to learn that the General and myself were very closely related .RE: General Shoup's Bio . I recall that Gen. Krulak was 3rd Div. C.O. while I was in Japan : Feb.1957 to (Oct?/Nov?)1957,my time split between C Co.Amtracs at Yokosuka and the 9th at Fuji. Following the first Sputnik, the 9th Regt. took us to Oki.. This is where my own memory gets a bit cloudy , as to who our Div. C.O. was and, (my memory) is'nt helped any  (a) Due to a couple of TAD's ,which, at the end of each, we were told , "gather 'round Marines, this never happened ,right !" ..., "aye aye sir". And (b) I have looked through a few Gen. Shoup Bio's ,some saying he was C.O. 3rd Div. in 1958 . I do not recall the same being the case . I do recall that he commanded the 1st Div. in 1959 while I was there . The "few" Bio's all seem to differ not only from each other but from the perspective of my own memory . Case in point : As an enlisted man (Div.Comm.-1959 I rec'd a piece of mail simply addressed to "D. Shoup 1st Marine Division Camp Pendleton , California ." Opening the envelope I realized (the stock offering) was sure not intended for me but for the General .I walked across the (100 ?) yards to Div.Headquarters and put the envelope on the Adjutants desk, no one being around and I was perfectly happy about that . In my very young mind I did not want to go through any explanations etc... . "Very young" as I had enlisted at the age of 16 .Can anyone firm-up an EXACT Bio of the General's locations of Command, for 1955 - 1959 , inclusive ? Thanks to any and all who endeavor to put the history of this Marine in correct sequence.   Dennis38 (talk) 04:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC) Dennis Shoup

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Reviewer: Retrolord (talk · contribs) 08:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I'll review this one. ★★RetroLord★★ 08:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
This doesn't really fit under any of the criterion, but you use unexpectedly twice in the lead. If possible, could you please change this? I certainly won't make it an issue here but if you plan to take this to FA level you may have issues regarding not varying the prose. ★★RetroLord★★ 09:00, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. —Ed!(talk) 02:12, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
"From an early age, Shoup was molded by progressive ideas of Indiana politicians, sympathizing with rural progressives' fighting with the interests of big businesses. He developed an anti-imperialist attitude.[9] His skepticism about American foreign policy influenced by a small-town background would make him an outspoken opponent of the unnecessary use of military force. Shoup felt the use of troops for what he considered economic or imperialist consideration were wrong, and would be a viewpoint he would carry for his entire career.[10]" There are a few problems with this paragraph. I think it could do without the "influenced by a small-town background" part, and could you please ref the part that says "outspoken opponent"? Also, is there a better spot in the article for this paragraph? It doesn't seem to suit the Early Years section, but i'll let it stay if we can't find another spot for it. ★★RetroLord★★ 09:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Added the ref. About graph placement, I tried finding other places for it but this seems about it; this viewpoint affected his military career from the first deployment to China, and it was caused by the viewpoint he had growing up. —Ed!(talk) 02:12, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll be away for a few days but I'll get back to this promptly. —Ed!(talk) 13:56, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Fixed all comments. Thanks for your review! —Ed!(talk) 02:30, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is important enough to include in the article, but the bridge over the Wabash River at Covington, Indiana, is named for General Shoup. [1] Omnedon (talk) 03:27, 5 October 2013 (UTC)