# Talk:COVID-19 pandemic

Apart from the Chinese authorities' intentions to silence the whistle-blowers, the Chinese millitary's autonomous responses at first was later aauthoritrianly controlled, leading to lockdowns, vacccines, etc. It became a power politics projection under the dictatorship.


### Suggested references
Pachankis, Y. I. (2022). Epistemological Extrapolation and Individually Targetable Mass Surveillance — The Issues of Democratic Formation and Knowledge Production by Dictatorial Controls. International Journal of Innovative Science and Research Technology, 7(4), 72-84. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.6464858
Pachankis, Y. I. (2023). Jeopardies in human security and politicization of COVID-19. Ethics Med Public Health, 27(C), 100871. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jemep.2023.100871
--Quinhonk (talk) 10:02, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

I think the article is fine as it is...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:21, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
It feels depressing in its current form and looks like the dictatorial actions are justified. Quinhonk (talk) 12:41, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
One of these is in International Journal of Innovative Science and Research Technology, which is a predatory journal according to Beall's list. The other is a letter to the editor. I don't believe either is a usable source for Wikipedia. MrOllie (talk) 12:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
Well, rapid publishing is necessary where there is no independent journalism coverage. Letter to the Editor is not usable source either? I heard it is regarded more highly than regular articles in academia at least. Quinhonk (talk) 05:20, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2020/04/coronavirus-spread-covid19-pandemic-timeline-milestones/
These two are authoritative, however, the time seems distorted. Li Wenliang's report should have been in November or even earlier. Quinhonk (talk) 05:28, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
They only published him at the later time to make the appearance of evidence and BBC took the misinformation. Quinhonk (talk) 05:34, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
Except that facts are wrong like, it started in November not December 35.142.178.32 (talk) 14:49, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2019#1 December: Symptoms of the index case, or patient zero, began on 1 December.
Peaceray (talk) 19:03, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Update the status of new strands of COVID-19, including an update as of August 12 2025 describing the increase of infections with the new COVID-19 strand.
Source at this link:
https://www.cdc.gov/cfa-modeling-and-forecasting/rt-estimates/index.html Chrismclau11 (talk) 12:33, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. If you would like something to be added to the article, please provide the exact text of your proposed addition. Day Creature (talk) 16:30, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Note: This request is for the COVID-19 pandemic* statistical redirect. The topmost template on its talk page instructed me to make this request here.
Add Template:Redirect category shell and Template:R from statistical redirect to this redirect page. Ahuman00 (talk) 15:18, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

 Done Sidenote: Is this statistical redirect still useful? It looks like the experiment finished long ago. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:06, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

Isn't it also Wuhan coronavirus? 2600:4040:AEBB:AD00:BD04:C964:47E0:365C (talk) 12:19, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

source?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Why does the lead insinuate the pandemic is still ongoing? Yes the disease is still around but it is going to be around till the end of time. I don't see a reason for the article to suggest the pandemic is still ongoing. Almost if not all countries have reigned back their COVID restrictions seen at the peak of COVID. User1519203 (talk) 11:46, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Content in Wikipedia depends on what reliable sources say, not your opinion. HiLo48 (talk) 23:51, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
Agreed but it should be highlighted that the pandemic being ongoing is somewhat controversial. Much of the world started opening up again in 2021, though very slowly. By the end of 2023, there have practically been zero places in the world that still treat COVID-19 as seriously as they did before. It's almost 2026 now. Historians are almost certainly going to agree that COVID as a pandemic ended in 2023 because of WHO's declaration. It should be noted that back in January 2021, as many as 100k people would die every single week of COVID. The most recent reported week being the last week of September and early October 2025, reported only 79 deaths worldwide of COVID during that time frame. And very rarely do modern sources speak of COVID in the present tense.
Of course my own research doesn't qualify for a Wikipedia citation (original research) but the data is out there if you search for it on WHO's website. We've been sitting at 7.1M confirmed deaths for a long while now. No new news has really come out of COVID since 2023 or even 2024 if you're lucky. My overall point is that the pandemic being over is a footnote in the main section. The history section doesn't even have any section for years after 2023. MountainJew6150 (talk) 05:17, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
Actually, I take part of this back. The main section doesn't use the word "ongoing". The diction is a little strange for the first paragraph, however. And I still do stand by the need to emphasize that COVID deaths and infections have significantly declined in recent years. MountainJew6150 (talk) 05:26, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
So I'm tying up some loose ends on stuff and thought I'd drop some sources to help out:
 There are no widely accepted, quantitative definitions for the end of a pandemic such as COVID-19. The end of the pandemic due to a new virus and the transition to endemicity may be defined based on a high proportion of the global population having some immunity from natural infection or vaccination. Other considerations include diminished death toll, diminished pressure on health systems, reduced actual and perceived personal risk, removal of restrictive measures and diminished public attention. A threshold of 70% of the global population having being vaccinated or infected was probably already reached in the second half of 2021. Endemicity may still show major spikes of infections and seasonality, but typically less clinical burden, although some locations are still hit more than others. Death toll and ICU occupancy figures are also consistent with a transition to endemicity by end 2021/early 2022. Personal risk of the vast majority of the global population was already very small by end 2021, but perceived risk may still be grossly overestimated. Restrictive measures of high stringency have persisted in many countries by early 2022. The gargantuan attention in news media, social media and even scientific circles should be tempered. Public health officials need to declare the end of the pandemic. Mid- and long-term consequences of epidemic waves and of adopted measures on health, society, economy, civilization and democracy may perpetuate a pandemic legacy long after the pandemic itself has ended.
The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic has resulted in significant global mortality and morbidity affecting millions of lives. As healthcare authorities worldwide are still paying substantial attention to COVID-19, other diseases continue to cause more deaths than COVID-19. The decreasing number of COVID-19 cases and deaths indicates that the pandemic is close to the end. For effective pandemic management, healthcare facilities worldwide have established COVID-19 units and testing facilities, instituting infection prevention and control measures, and employing telehealth services. Healthcare professionals have identified some promising treatments for COVID-19; also, mass vaccinations have improved patient outcomes. Instead of COVID-19 as a pandemic, it is time to pay more attention to other diseases to lessen their impact on public health. Therefore, the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared the end of the pandemic phase of COVID-19 considering the current COVID-19 situation and our preparedness, past pandemic experience, and long pandemic impact on social and economic life on May 5, 2023. In this article, we briefly discussed the present challenges due to COVID-19, necessary precautions, and future directions to return to life as before COVID-19.
The era of extraordinary measures by government and societies to control SARS-CoV-2 transmission will be over. After the omicron wave, COVID-19 will return but the pandemic will not.
These should help put a bow on the article. GeogSage  (⚔Chat?⚔)  05:38, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
This only came up due to some drive-by tinkering with the first paragraph over the last month or so. I have restored the long-standing consensus version, per Talk:COVID-19 pandemic#Current consensus point 19. Crossroads -talk- 18:49, 20 October 2025 (UTC)