# Talk:Hurricane Nana (2020)

Hi:
I would like to upload in Commons the satellite image in this url: https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/09/hurricane-nana-downgraded-to-tropical-storm-after-landfall-in-belize/ The original source, as mentioned in the text, is from NOAA, which is free use (GFDL) and thus should be valid form Commons. Am I right?

If I am right, how should I mention the source?
If not, how can obtain this image directly from NOAA?
Pierre cb (talk) 04:09, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pierre cb: Yes, you can use it if it is to really from NASA or NOAA. However, don't put it in the infobox, as we only use real-color images. Thanks. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:56, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Pierre cb (talk) 14:24, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I’ve noticed that the satellite image for Nana is several hours off from peak intensity and I have found an image of it at peak intensity in Wikipedia Commons. However, it seems to be a day/night image, although, I did find Typhoon Bopha’s infobox with a very similar image. So should we change Nana’s infobox image to this - 
Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk) 15:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
We have no good picture of this storm at peak and this one is also just another one. It is black and while and also kinda blurry so its better to not use it and keep the one we had. Typhoon Bopha's pic wasn't as blurry as this one either. This is just what happens when a storm decides to jump from 60 to 75 mph in 3 hours right before landfall in the middle of night: no one's there to pic up the reins! LOL!ChessEric (talk · contribs) 20:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Uh what? I literally can't see it. Also, I wouldn't consider midnight as the middle of the night, as the sun rose at 5:39 AM and set at 6:04 PM. (Ok, it's only 15 minutes off). --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

So I like the map that Cyclonebiskit (talk · contribs) added. Sure, it contains Julio, but this article already mentions the MH about Julio. That doesn't mean the article needs to be retitled either. We're talking about the MH, and the new map does a better job conveying that than the map of path of when Nana was only a tropical cyclone. It's a similar usefulness to including the points when a TC is extratropical. Thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree, the map is excellent. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me! 11:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I also agree with using the new combined track map. It's much more informative than the map for just Nana, and honestly, for a storm like this one that regenerated in a different basin, it suits this article much better. Especially since Julio's MH has been incorporated into this article (which is required for any promotion to GA or beyond, anyway). LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 03:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
For clarity on why I created the map in the first place, it is indeed to show the entire lifecylce of the two systems. The NHC clearly states Julio is a continuation of Nana, but I've made sure to state that they are considered separate within the article. While a combined article could be warranted here, there really isn't anything of note with Julio to justify the clunky "Hurricane Nana and Tropical Storm Julio" article title, thus just having it as Nana with a small paragraph covering Julio in the met hist seems most appropriate to me. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Cyclonebiskit I disagree with the track map, since Julio has little to no participation on the page itself. I can accept the little excerpt about Julio on MH since its innofensive, almost imperceptible, but if anything further than that, then in my opinion the article should be renamed to something like "Hurricanes Nana and Julio", and include more info related to Julio, we should go all out on it. NHC never stated that Julio is a "continuation" of Nana, but rather that Julio formed from Nana's remnant's, and these aren't synonymous. ABC paulista (talk) 19:51, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
I'd be opposed to changing the title. Nana was the hurricane, it made landfall, and caused all of the damage. Julio was a minor footnote, but it still deserves to be mentioned (as we always do with EPAC reformations of Atlantic storms). The map does a great job showing the history of the meteorological event. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
The problem is that Julio isn't part of Nana's history, and its inclusion on the track map might give the readers the impression that it is, which is untrue. I understand that some info about Julio is warranted to be included here, for the article to achieve GA status, but its track is more than what's acltually needed, I'd say it's unwarranted and undesired. This article is not about the "meteorological event", but solely about Nana, and I don't agree with such notion of a unified "meteorological event", since they are treated as separate events, just one forming from the other's leftovers. They are rleated, sure, but not more than that. ABC paulista (talk) 23:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
I disagree, yes Julio was a part of Nana’s history, clearly established in the article through reliable sources. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 04:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
The sources never established Julio as part of Nana's history, and assuming such only because the earlier reformed from the latter's remnants can be considered as WP:SYNTH. A system formed from Nana's remnant's ≠ Nana proper. ABC paulista (talk) 21:42, 26 November 2021 (UTC)