# Talk:Defence of Iwardo

@NinosDg I suggest you take a look at WP:NPOV, none of the sources state Assyrian, they mention Syriacs. You've also got a history for editing lots of Assyrian related topics wrongly, please take all into consideration before contradicting sources.
I will be reverting it one more time before requesting for comment. User623921 (talk) 14:12, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

You must be greatly mistaken. The ethnicity of those who participated are Assyrians, the page has already been reverted in the past for the same type of vandalism. The term Syriac is a linguistic or church related term, not an ethnic one.
The ethnic origin of these “Syriacs” is Assyrian, modern Syriacs/Arameans are Assyrian. The source saying “Syriac” doesn’t matter, as they are in fact ethnic Assyrians regardless. Anyways I’ll provide sources right away so that you’ll stop vandalizing the page. If you continue to do so; I will simply contact an admin to determine this. NinosDg (talk) 17:15, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@User623921 NinosDg (talk) 17:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
I have read the new source you included, and it seems to be the same one from Defense of Azakh. Are you sure this is not cherry-picking? Nearly all sources overwhelmingly use the term "Syriac." For example, the other source you referenced mentions "the massacres against Syriacs in Tur Abdin" and "Syriacs with roots in Turkey" while referring to Assyrians separately. User623921 (talk) 17:56, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
It does not matter what you think; follow Wikipedia’s guidelines. If the referenced sources do not state "Assyrian," you have no right to vandalize the page by applying an unsourced term. You yourself use "Syriac" in combination with "Aramean," writing "Syriac/Aramean." User623921 (talk) 17:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering you are the only admin I know, but is there some issues regarding this article? there are two articles for this one when googling, one for Defense and the other Defence of Iwardo, both redirecting to this one Wlaak (talk) 00:35, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Hhhhuh. Can't say I've ever seen that before. My guess is that google indexed the page when it was at the original title, then indexed it again after it was moved to the new title, and for whatever reason, their webcrawler didn't pick up on the fact that one of those locations has since been redirected. I don't think there's anything we can do about the google result on our end. At any rate, the redirect functions correctly, so it's not like we've got two identical clone articles, so there's no in-Wikipedia problem to solve here. -- asilvering (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

... that the Assyrian village of Iwardo has become famous due to the heroic defence that took place during the Assyrian genocide?

Reviewed:
Comment: The source reads "...we ended up in Ayn Warda, an Assyrian village famous for having been a bastion of resistance to the genocide during World War I."

Surayeproject3 (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2025 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:  - see below
Neutral:  - see below
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: 
Hook eligibility:

Cited: 
Interesting:  - I don't think it works to center "famous" in the hook, since many places that were the site of well-known military actions gain interest as a result.
Other problems:  - "heroic" fails WP:POV.

Overall:  (t · c) buidhe 02:40, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Having written the Sayfo article, my eye was caught by "it is one of the only episodes of Assyrian resistance to the genocide". I am not sure it's true. What does the source say exactly?
I have also read elsewhere that the so called "Midyat Rebellion" was an invention of Ottoman officials who imagined that independent resistance efforts were part of a coordinated, seditious conspiracy. But this article posits it as a fact
Article would benefit from citing Kaiser, Hilmar (2014). The Extermination of Armenians in the Diarbekir Region. İstanbul Bilgi University Press. ISBN 978-605-399-333-9. you only need the section about armed resistance in Tur Abdin, I don't recall if there is a specific subchapter about Iwardo but it has the most detailed and reliable info of any source on this topic (t · c) buidhe 02:40, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
Page 55 of the cited source says Only rarely did this resistance result in an Assyrian victory, such as in the villages of Azakh and Ayn-Wardo.; I have changed the article text to "successful episodes" coinciding. The Midyat Rebellion part is cited to an article by David Gaunt; The events of Midyat have enabled Turkish historians to interpret the meager defense as a rebellion, thus justifying the full severity of its repression by the Ottoman authorities. I cannot access Kaiser's 2014 book anywhere. Surayeproject3 (talk) 04:41, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
Just gonna slip in here and agree that the hook has NPOV issues and needs to be changed. TheBritinator (talk) 13:08, 23 November 2025 (UTC)