# Talk:Long-billed thrasher

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:31, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll review this and jot notes below: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:31, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Best not to start both lead paras with, "The long-billed thrasher..."
Fixed. LeftAire (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Best not to start para with "It..."
Fixed. LeftAire (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Place info on how/where they hunt insects in diet section (rename to feeding)
Fixed. LeftAire (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
format  ref no 5
Fixed. LeftAire (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC
consistent date format (see ref 11)
Fixed. LeftAire (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
worthwhile wikilinking clade, iris, the cities and localities in the distribution section
done.  Gaff (talk) 16:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
The underwing is buffy-white and a buffy colored cloaca. - sentence needs fixing
Don't know where that came from. Haphazard typing, I guess. Sorry, rambling, fixed. LeftAire (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Hopefully that is everything so far. I was currently working on one of the wren articles in my sandbox, so excuse me if I'm delay in response a little. If there is such a thing as multi-tasking in the proper sense, it will forever elude me. LeftAire (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Okay no dramas. I am happy to leave these things open longer for a better result. The article seems a bit short, though covers most bases. I might have a little look around and report back a bit later today. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Right, something to add on longevity - have seen the fulltext of this article - it has a long-billed thrasher recovered in 30 September 1965, at age 7 years and 3 months, after being banded (on 24 Aug 1959) in Alamo, TX (incidentally the same paper has longevity for brown thrasher at 12 years and 10 months for a bird banded in 1926 at Waynesville, NC and recovered in 1938. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
this might be worth a mention.
could add the type locality for the original description - and add that longirostre comes from the latin longus "long" and rostrum "bill".
I'm sorry about the length of this article. If I had access to Pyle's original work, I'd have a field day on this article. I couldn't access the first link that you gave me, but did attempt to make something out of the second one. I did pretty much everything else you had suggested except for the type locality. Did you mean mention the different species in the lead? My apologies if I seem a little lost, I'm more tired than expected today, and just finished a massive editing job for the Carolina wren page. That definitely should be to find information if needed!LeftAire (talk) 00:29, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Which work by Pyle?  Maybe I can find it.  Also, @Casliber: can you give me more info on the JSTOR link you posted (article name, journal, authors), since that link doesn't work.  I can access JSTOR through my local library and could help expand the article.  I can track down the type locality and add it, along with maybe some information on the type specimen and find Lafresnaye's original paper.  --Gaff (talk) 00:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
The original taxon was Orpheus longirostris.  This should be in the article along with any other synonyms.  More here:  [1].  I can work on this aspect later.  --Gaff (talk) 00:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)  done.  Gaff (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
@Gaff Pyle? Mein Gott, I mixed up the names. Tweit was the original person that I was thinking about.
Tweit, R. C. 1997. Long-billed Thrasher (Toxostoma longirostre). In The birds oh North America, No. 317 (A. Poole and F. Gill, eds.). The Birds of North America, Inc. Philadelphia, PA.
I suppose that Oberholser could work, too. 
Oberholser, H. C. 1974. The bird life of Texas. University of Texas Press, Austin.
I'm not at school right now, and won't have the opportunity to access more articles at my local library until Wednesday. Thanks for the help, guys!LeftAire (talk) 01:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok - ref is:
Longevity Records of North American Birds: Remizidae through Parulinae
M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Roger B. Clapp and Anthony G. Futcher
Journal of Field Ornithology
Vol. 54, No. 3 (Summer, 1983), pp. 287-294

It is at here hopefully....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I've made use of the article. I couldn't find any more useful links for longirostre yesterday while at the library (though I did find some useful articles for other birds I'm eyeing). If the article length isn't suitable enough for GA, you can fail it and I guess re-rate it a B. Sorry for the late response. LeftAire (talk) 18:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Before failing this article (if it is going to be failed), can the reviewer please leave a more clear picture of what specifically needs to be fixed or added?  From reading the above, it is difficult to sort out the major concerns.  --Gaff (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll take another look. I'd never fail an article for being too short. It'd be on missing info or citations. Will get back in a few hours. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
An apparent lack of expansion over a six period within the aforementioned time frame (1959 to 1965) can be interpreted as the expansion of the thrasher not being immediate - is cited to the longevity ref (???)
Whoops...I removed the citation. My mistake, I'm usually never this careless.LeftAire (talk) 01:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
aah ok Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
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Pass or Fail:  - ultimately (given there is a distinction between "broad" WRT GAs and "comprehensive" WRT FAs), I think we're ok on all issues apart from two with sourcing. One is easy, I have a Latin dictionary that I can add as a reference for the latin names tonight. The other is the source for IBC - I think we can do better than this and it'd be good to find something that is more solid than the video website. Otherwise I think it fulfils criteria as a GA, so placing on hold for the moment. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:37, 9 February 2015 (UTC) ok, alll addressed now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Also, I'd change rufescent to red-tinged or something

I fixed the clade citation to the Zink journal article where it was from. I thought of using this link: [http://avibase.bsc-eoc.org/species.jsp?avibaseid=6CB9F53A0B5081C9 avibase Toxostoma longirostre, but it doesn't seem different and more of a headache to link since it isn't as immediate as the IBC link. I did find some information regarding the original name from Lafresayne, though I'm not sure whether to use it or not:
Magasin de zoologie d'anatomie comparée et de palaeontologie, Volume 1
American Ornithological Bibliography, Parts 1-3 
I could either change the wording to eliminate the specific locations within the states (e.g. southern and eastern San Luis Potosi to just San Luis Potosi), use just the Brewer link that still mentions the same states (which still doesn't mention Ridgway, surprisingly) and find a Ridgway link, if that's acceptable. Haven't found any better links so far...LeftAire (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I'd add in the French Lafresayne reference and keep others. The fact we have multpile refs helps. I think avibase is better than ibc as a ref as the former is an official partner of birdlife international. I think once these are done then sourcing is ok for GA-level. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
That should be everything. Hope everything is up to par. Thanks for the assistance (and info about Avibase, I'll keep that in mind for other bird articles I'm working on)! LeftAire (talk) 02:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

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The lead image named File:Long-billed Thrasher, Toxostoma longirostre; South TX on cactus 01.jpg is currently being discussed at the discussion page of the Birds WikiProject. Feel free to join the discussion on whether the image is a long-billed thrasher or not. Pandakekok9 (talk) 02:04, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I've replaced the lead photo, as it had been misidentified. The replaced photo was of a curve-billed thrasher, not a long-billed. Long-billed thrashers don't have pale tail tips (their tail is all rufous) and are very rufous on the back — like a brown thrasher. There's a distinct difference between the color of the face, and the color of the crown and back. Long-billed also has a bold black moustachial stripe, which isn't as strong on the curve-billed. MeegsC (talk) 09:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)