# Talk:Homo rudolfensis

Please verify if pub year of ref. 16 (Tattersall, I. (2019). “Classification and phylogeny in human evolution”. Ludus Vitalis. 9 (15): 139–140.) is correct. The referred article seems to be from 2001, not 2019.
My apologies if this is not the proper way to suggest a possible improvement: I'm very new to editing in Wikipedia!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by E.maryniak (talk • contribs) 11:55, 12 September 2020 (UTC) 

@E.maryniak: You were right, it was supposed to be 2001. In the future, I'd recommend being bold and fixing errors when you see them   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:32, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

The first two paragraphs of this entry are identical with the first two paragraphs on Homo rudolfensis on this another site: something to do with the Smithsonian, perhaps. [1].
Does this constitute a breach of copyright? I don't know the author, perhaps they are one and the same.
Philip Lawton
p.d.lawton@dur.ac.uk

Yes, the first two paragraphs are nearly literal copies of other sources. The only thing that stops me from placing a copivio notice on the article is that it's not clear who owns the copyright (if any) on the original. Here is another source that has the same paragraphs:
http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/er1470.htm
Google gives about 90 hits for pages with nearly identical wording
Gene s 08:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

The article mentions a sophisticated sweating system, hair length, and noticeable whites of the eyes as characteristics not present in Homo rudolfensis.  While it is perhaps unlikely that H. Rudolfensis would have exhibited these characteristics, is it not impossible to make such a determination given that the only existing evidence from this time consists of skeletal remains, as well as stone tools and a few footprints?
Charles Burgess
cb834214@albany.edu

There really is no scientific evidence to suggest any of this. In fact, we don't have the means to determine this at this point in time. Seems fabricated to me.Drur93 00:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that both of these articles will always be rather small and, since one is talking about a specific find regarding the other, should be merged together here. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I belevie that this [Skull 1470] article is warranted. I think there is more to say about KNM–ER 1470 that will not (and probably shouldnt) fit in Homo rudolfensis - Por exemplo - how, when and by whom it was discovered; and considering that wikipedia has no size limits, there should be space for this scientifically important particularity. I hold no strong convictions on this issue, but considering that this is a subject that (I believe) is neglected on wikipedia, shouldnt we make some wriggle-space for extra article? --Ezeu 13:45, 9 November 2005 (UTC) minor edit by UtherSRG (talk)
Certainly wiki has no size limits, but that doesn't mean we can't put two things side-by-side and see if they should be combined or not and use potential growth as an issue. Look at Meganthropus and the recent expansion its gone through. This article would easily be a section in Homo rudolfensis. I'd rather have one nice-sized article that covers several aspects (findings, evolution, interpretation, etc.) than several small articles that I'd have to use to piece together the larger picture. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Sure, if the "nice-sized article" covers the subject, and the issues in the "small article" are not neglected (which often is the case) — cool. Unforunately  "nice-sized articles" usually ignore the nitty-gritty, leaving the seemingly unimportant details to stubs. I'd rather have several good stubs than none. --Ezeu 15:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I edited out the whites of the eyes, sophisticated sweating system, and naked apperance comments, as they are speculative, and there is no evidence to support them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rafe Kelley (talk • contribs) .

There was no need. The statement was already tagged as unsourced. Meanwhile, we continue to search for a citation for the information. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:1470f.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

added external links71.232.93.212 (talk) 13:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

At the end of the 2012 fossil find section there is a mention to KNM-ER 1802, but there is no explanation in the article about that fossil.--Cattus talk 20:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I've added something.--Cattus talk 21:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!  Article was hit by a vandal, which got (partially) reverted.  I've restored the original content.--Robert Keiden (talk) 05:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

and the cranial capacity based on the new construction was reported to be downsized from 752 cm³ to about 526 cm³, although this seemed to be a matter of some controversy.[4] Bromage said his team's reconstruction included biological knowledge not known at the time of the skull's discovery, of the precise relationship between the sizes of eyes, ears, and mouth in mammals.[4] A newer publication by Bromage has since further downsized the cranial capacity estimate from 752 cm³ to 700 cm³.[5]
Jhall251 (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Not one word about the fact that some have referred this species to Kenyanthropus? I don't have time to elaborate on this myself, but it should definitely be mentioned. There are 64 hits for "kenyanthropus rudolfensis" (with the quotation marks) on Google Scholar.
David Marjanović (talk) 15:41, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Homo rudolfensis/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: JurassicClassic767 (talk · contribs) 12:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Quite interesting article to review and read. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 12:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Lead section:

"with some recommending the species actually belongs in the genus Australopithecus..." Sounds a bit wrong, maybe reword to: "with some recommending the species to actually belongs in the genus Australopithecus..."
"to actually in the genus Australopithecus" sounds strange   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Dunkleosteus77 My apologies, I forgot to put belong within the gap. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 19:33, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  02:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
(some additional words might suit better): "and females around 150 cm (4 ft 11 in) and 51 kg (112 lb). Specimen KNM-ER 1470 had a brain volume of about 750 cc (46 cu in). Like other early Homo species, H. rudolfensis had large..."
added "around", KNM-ER 1470 is already identified earlier as a specimen so does not need to be prefixed by "Specimen"   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
"Early Homo species exhibit marked brain growth..." Specifying it would be more understandable.
done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Research history:

(unnecessary comma, better structured): "They were first assigned to a the species, habilis..."
done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
"KNM-ER 1470 was much larger than..." Specify? -> "Specimen KNM-ER 1470 was much larger than..."
unnecessary   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
(comma needed): "(but he used the genus Pithecanthropus, which was changed to Homo three years later by Groves)"
done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
(move comma): "she assigned it to H. rudolfensis and, because prepubescent male and female bones..." -> "she assigned it to H. rudolfensis, and because prepubescent male and female bones"
done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
The rest of the section sits OK, so we'll move onto Anatomy once this is finished. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 12:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Anatomy:

"U-shaped, which may indicate that these two morphs represent different species..."
done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  13:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
consider linking P. boisei in the Anatomy section, and removing its link in the Culture section
done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  13:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
The rest of the Anatomy section is well-structured/well-written, so no other changes need to be made. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 03:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Culture:

(add comma after "meat"): "scavenging and monopolise fresh carcasses, or meat allowed the large and calorie-expensive ape..."
"or meat, allowed the large and calorie-expensive ape gut to decrease" wouldn't make any sense   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  13:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
consider removing the link of P. boisei in this section, and link it in the Anatomy section
done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  13:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
"though it is not possible to definitively attribute the tools to a species as H. rudolfensis, H. habilis, and P. boisei are also well-known from the area." The sentence doesn't make sense if you add the last bit ("are also well-known from the area"). You can probably remove it, or a slight addition might suit well.
"though it is not possible to definitively attribute the tools to a species as H. rudolfensis, H. habilis, and P. boisei." is a sentence fragment   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  13:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
It might be a correct statement, but it may confuse some readers. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 14:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't understand what you're trying to say   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:41, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with the sentence fragment, and therefore I will consider keeping it. The one issue is that not all readers are able to quickly understand sentence fragments, and may somehow be a bit confusing, but other than that, I'd say that no more changes need to be made in the article for the review. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 03:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I think it's irrelevant if we continue the discussion about the sentence fragment above. Therefore, after reading the whole article again, I'd say the result is: . Congratulations and good job! Now I guess I should start passing this then! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 10:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)