# Talk:Irghiz River skirmish

@AntanO:, @Robert McClenon:, @Robertsky:, can any of you help me? I did read the DDY pages, Wikiproject pages etc yet failed to grasp how to do it. Even checked the sources of the already nominated nominations, they just cite templates without the text that is appearing on the page itself? I have hard times with those templates and coding. Thank you in advance
Here is the way I want to display it:
Did you know that 20 years yoing Khwarezmian prince Jalal al-Din Mangburnu once defeated Jebe and repelled Subutai and Jochi on the same day, forcing them to abandon the field?? and then link to this article --81.213.215.83 (talk) 07:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I did some clean up and you again made some wrong style of edit. For DYK, refer WP:DYK --AntanO 07:54, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry. I do not understand coding well. I did look at DYK pages, I even reached at the nomination (talk page), I looked at other nominations but I fail to understand how it is done. --81.213.215.83 (talk) 08:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran:, maybe you can help me? --81.213.215.83 (talk) 03:44, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry I've never done it before. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, @GrammarGuardian2021:. In your current edit of Mclynn, you omitted the statement "possibly", keeping it would have been better as Mclynn states it. It would emphasise --81.213.215.83 (talk) 23:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


### Re: About edit of Mclynn paragraph
@81.213.215.83: I can't say I agree with that assessment, but I'm happy to explain my rationale and hear other opinions! In my opinion, "possibly" sounded extraneous (since an estimate is, definitionally, a possible guess). The concise point of the paragraph is that Mclynn estimated the Khwarezmians army at 60,000 (and the Mongol army at 20,000), which to my understanding is fully true (he did offer that estimate, and, in my opinion, it does not need hedging with additional words, since the uncertainty of any estimate is implicit).
Likewise, removing "possibly" came with the added benefit of removing the scare quotes, which I thought a reader could interpret as sarcastic (especially due to the already slightly awkward phrasing of the paragraph). 
Overall, I think the section is significantly clearer and easier to read in its current form.
Let me know what you think, and feel free to bring in a third opinion!
GrammarGuardian2021 (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for late reply, only just I realised your reply, GrammarGuardian2021. I understood and agree with your rationale. The reason I objected was, as I explained previously, Mclynn states that word explicitly but as I have re-written as "he estimates" then no need for "possibly". --81.213.215.83 (talk) 02:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, . I have seen your re-phrasements and thank you for that but in the lead section of the current version you have stated that "the battle ended in victory for the Khwarezmian army after the Mongols abandoned their camp and yielded the field." Putting aside the question about whether it is an original research or not. I, as the editor who have created this page and attributed all the references, shall note that only the 3 sources mentioned in the infobox state that this was a victory by Khwarezmians while all of the remaining sources cited in this article state the battle was indecisive. We shall reflect both sides. --81.213.215.83 (talk) 21:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, @Fritzmann2002:, why is the template is put on the article? If it is for that "Subutai's retreat shall go unnoticed" part, then all those cited sources DO mention that part. It does not need further verification --81.213.215.83 (talk) 18:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
@81.213.215.83:, I'm going to take another look at it and probably rewrite the lede section to be more indicative of the content of the article, but as for the latter point, if it is in the sources, just add another inline citation to indicate that. Most of the sources are not in my native language, or are not linked, so I can't read them to discern whether or not the article reflects what they have to say accurately. All I can see is that there was a whole paragraph of information that did not have any inline citations. Best wishes, Fritzmann (message me) 14:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there a reason this is tagged under {{WikiProject Turkmenistan}} instead of {{WikiProject Kazakhstan}}, where the battle took place? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:46, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb:, no there is not. Corrected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

The title appears to be descriptive, at least, I am not finding any sources that use the exact same title which don't appear to have copied it from WP. Unless the title is a proper name consistently capitalized in RS, it must be lowercased (eg Irghiz River skirmish) (t · c) buidhe 15:33, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

To the IP who keeps trying to edit the infobox to display a Khwarazmian victory and increase Jalal al-Din's contributions, all sources are very clear that the battle was indecisive at best and that Muhammad II was in command. If you want to overturn this, you will want to find reliable sources of your all and cite them. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)