# Talk:Gary Schiff

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Reviewer: Designate (talk · contribs) 15:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the review! None of these concerns seem too difficult to deal with, so I'll try and clean it up by next Sunday. I might note that, as there is a growing body of information pertaining to his mayoral campaign, I may write a new section covering that, especially considering that, as of now, it's mentioned in the lead and nowhere else. It'd be great if you could look that over in regard to the GA criteria once I get around to writing it (which will ideally be sooner than later). Thanks again! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 17:22, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm still working on this as of right now, hunting down better sources for a couple of statements and, once that's done, rewriting the lead. I believe everything else has been addressed. If I'm not completely done on Sunday, I should be by Monday. Thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 05:32, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Okay, that should do it. Any further thoughts? BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 07:44, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Great. I've passed it as GA. —Designate (talk) 13:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

None of the other announced and potential candidates for the 2013 Minneapolis mayoral election have wiki pages even remotely close to the depth of this page.  Why?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.190.119 (talk) 23:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC) 

Because they haven't been written yet. If you have a candidate who's gotten a decent amount of biographical coverage in reliable independent sources (see our idea of notability) feel free to write an article on them! All our articles are written by people like you. There's no staff here. You're welcome to join, but it takes a little work and frustration. —Designate (talk) 23:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Gianthippo and I have reverted back and forth a time or two between slightly different versions of the coverage of Schiff's tenure at the Council on Crime and Justice (CCJ). I think it's worth taking a look at our respective versions and how the represent the two sources and coming to a consensus about how to report Schiff's time with the Council.
My version included two parts, a section in the lead, and one in the Post-mayoral bid section. In the lead:

"Schiff took over as president of the Council on Crime and Justice the following July [2014]. He was replaced at the organization a year later, and it closed abruptly shortly after his departure. A federal audit identified misused grant funds in a grant program that was frozen during Schiff's tenure."
This was elaborated upon in the body:

"On July 1, 2014, Schiff took over as president of the Council on Crime and Justice (CCJ), a Minneapolis nonprofit organization established in 1957 to "create a criminal justice system that is equitable and just." The CCJ dismissed Schiff in 2015 and closed suddenly in 2016 after almost 60 years of operation. A federal audit conducted on a grant program that was frozen while Schiff led the CCJ identified a misuse of funds at the organization. Schiff stated that he believed that the CCJ's board of directors and its previous leadership were responsible for the council's shutdown."
Gianthippo's most recent revision left the latter section unchanged. They wrote in the lead:

"Schiff took over as president of the Council on Crime and Justice the following July [2014]. Under his leadership, the nonprofit endured misuse of personal, foundation, state, and federal funds. The Office of Justice Programs ordered an audit upon his departure in May 2015, and the nearly sixty year old nonprofit dissolved in 2016."
Their edit summary accompanying the change read:

"Re-added-relevant sources. Unnecessary edits spin politician during election cycle. Concerned at conflict of interest."
The two relevant sources cited are:

Belz, Adam (March 18, 2017). "In race for Minneapolis' Ninth Ward, Council Member Alondra Cano draws two well-known challengers". Star Tribune.
Stahl, Brandon (May 20, 2016). "Council on Crime and Justice abruptly shuts down". Star Tribune.
Which, for ease of reference, we'll call Belz and Stahl.
The real crux of the disagreement appears to be the second (and third) sentences in the final paragraph of the lead so let's first check the sources:
My revision:

Gianthippo's revision:

Gianthippo's version of the text suggests a greater degree of culpability for Schiff than is supported in the sources we have at our disposal. Gianthippo, in your edit summary you mention readding sources. Those sources were already in the body of the article, citing the passage about Schiff's involvement with the CCJ. You state "Unnecessary edits spin politician during election cycle." I suggest that my revision is more in line with the sources we have available (both of which are Star Tribune sources, probably Minnesota's most trustworthy paper). In re "Concerned at conflict of interest", I'll happily tell you that my interest in this article is mostly because I helped get it to GA status several years back and I'm interested to see it maintain that level of quality. I supported Schiff lazily during his 2013 run for mayor (which is to say, I would have voted for him but then he dropped out). I'm no longer in a position to vote for Schiff or any other Minneapolis city councilmember and have no financial or professional connection to him. Really truly, I'm just interested in seeing this article be as good as it can be and fulfill the WP:BLP criteria. Gianthippo or any others interested in this, I'm interested to hear your feedback. Otherwise, I plan to revert back to my revision of the opening sentence in a day or two. All the best (and sorry if this feels like an overreaction to something little), BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 02:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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