# Talk:Ike Turner

Please do not add multiple - in this case, a ridiculously large number of - tags to the article without proper explanation.  Please do not copy and paste large sections of article text onto this page - it makes it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to see what changes you are proposing. Please also consider making minor edits - such as sub-headings - to the article yourself.  If other editors do not agree with your suggestions, they will revert you, and there can then be a more focused discussion here.  Please do not SHOUT by using capital letters - at me or anyone else.  It's rude.  And please remember to sign your posts on talk pages with four of these: ~   Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey John, if you want to rewrite the article, may I suggest you do it in your userspace? Somewhere like User:Johncheverly/Ike Turner draft? That way, you can edit it as many times as you feel necessary without clogging up the talk page? Thanks. Go Phightins! 10:44, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
@Ghmyrtle and  Go I am going to put this in my sandbox to work on and delete this section.  In all my years of using Wikipedia and my brief months of editing, the Ike Turner article is the most poorly written accumulation of syntax that I have ever waded through.johncheverly 18:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Your comments are noted.  However, please assume good faith, and please avoid making personal attacks - implicit or explicit - on the many very experienced editors who have contributed to the article so far.  Several projects have graded the article as C class - plenty of room for improvement, but by no means one of the worst articles here. It would probably be a very good idea for you to bring specific suggestions for improving the text here to the talk page first, rather than making the edits yourself, so that we can achieve a consensus on the changes necessary.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

"popular" writing style adopted in this article:

Turner recounted how he was introduced to sex at the age of six by a middle-aged lady called Miss Boozie. Walking past her house to school, she would invite him to help feed her chickens, and then take him to bed. This continued for some years. Turner claimed to not be traumatized by this, commenting that "in those days they didn't call it abuse, they called it fun". He was also sexually molested by two other women before he was twelve.
Really. I'm from the UK and we call it the "entertainment" industry for a reason. The tone of this article needs to be balanced - less of an "exposé" to more of a "solid biography". In any encyclopedia its common to find points to do with personality but a balance has to be struck - when sensationalism becomes the main feature of any article then scholarship gives way to false accounting. 
As a good example we have Suetonius writing on the Caesars - great book but I'd reserve judgement. 
Sluffs (talk) 19:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Jackie Brenston was credited with writing "Rocket 88." Turner certainly had a prominent role in the recording, but the way this currently reads, it's as if Turner was the primary composer. I suppose we'll never know for sure, Turner claimed to have written the song, but no one in the media ever asked Brenston's opinion on the matter. Brenston died nearly 30 years before Turner did, so perhaps Turner's claims should be taken with a grain of salt. I'd like to reword this to indicate that Brenston was credited with writing the song, but Turner's piano intro was later used nearly note-for-note by Little Richard in "Good Golly Miss Molly." There are sources for both of these statements. Where is the source for Ike having written the first verse, and the group collaborating on the rest? That should be removed if there is no source. Both the Brenston and Rocket 88 wikipedia articles indicate that Brenston was credited with writing the song. If you know of the source, please let me know. I'll take a crack at editing in a few days. Tidewater 2014 (talk) 16:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Your interpretation looks correct to me - go for it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
My rather extravagant X-mas present to myself was Peter Guralnick's new biography of Sam Phillips - who recorded Rocket 88.  Phillips was not impressed with the songs that Turner's band played for him and he asked if they had any more.  They had something that "they'd been working on - it wasn't fully rhymed up, but it got a pretty good reaction whenever they did it. . . ... it was an almost literal take off on Jimmy Liggins' 1948 hit "Cadillac Boogie," with the words changed a little."  They started off with Ike singing it but Phillips was not happy and asked if anyone else in the band could sing it.  Ike said, Brenston  could do it, ,"which was ironic, the other members of the band must have thought, because it was, after all, Jackie's song."  (pp. 105-106).  What ever that means in terms of who wrote it.  Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Done, and I decided not to mention the songwriting, since this is Turner's article. The Brenston writing credit is seen in both the Brenston and Rocket 88 articles. I focused more on Turner's piano playing. If anyone has read either of the Turner biographies, it may be worthwhile to include his thoughts on the songwriting issue, if it was discussed. Tidewater 2014 (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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I have marked the following sentence as dubious: "The facts surrounding Turner's marriage to Anna Mae Bullock (Tina Turner) have been very publicly debated." Not sure what this even means. Overall, I found this article to be a bit slanted. Some other wording (which I have edited out) seemed to imply that Tina Turner's account of Ike Turner's abuse is suspect. This is a bit odd, considering that Ike repeatedly admitted to the abuse in writing. SunCrow (talk) 03:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Looking at the article now, I am even more concerned about the tone and POV. Every time Ike's domestic violence toward Tina is mentioned, the article goes out of its way to cast doubt on Tina's accusations and to make her the "bad guy". The lede even goes so far as to say that Tina's accusations of domestic violence "impacted his career". It's sort of like saying that Woodward and Bernstein's reporting impacted Nixon's career. Furthermore, the article is almost endless and includes a good deal of minute detail that doesn't need to be there. I plan on making some edits to address both issues and have tagged the article accordingly.SunCrow (talk) 10:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
This article is shorter than the article on Jimi Hendrix and Ike Turner's career spanned 6 decades. The lede says "Turner's cocaine addiction and legal troubles, together with accounts by Tina Turner of domestic violence (published in her autobiography I, Tina and the portrayal of him in its film adaptation What's Love Got to Do with It), impacted his career in the 1980s and 1990s." That does not make Tina Turner look like the bad guy. It explains the implications of what happened to his career.Twixister (talk) 17:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, Woodward and Bernstein's reporting did impact Nixon's career. The difference here is that Tina didn't deserve what she got. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:45, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
This isn't about our opinions on what Tina deserved. It's just stating facts. After the revelations of their marriage he received negative publicity. That isn't to say it wasn't warranted, it's just stating the implications of his drug addiction and the release of her book which led to the movie.Twixister (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes agree, facts. I'm struck my "opinion". But it is still my opinion. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm concerned about edits that claim to remove "a good deal of minute detail that doesn't need to be there".  It is undeniable that Turner was a very important figure in the development of rock music, and, if material is well referenced, the presumption should be that it should remain.  The article is long but not excessively so, given the length and significance of his career.  I endorse the points made by Twixister.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

The Marriages section contains these sentences: "In 1995, Turner married St. Louis native singer Jeanette Bazzell. They met in 1987; she started as an Ikette before becoming his lead singer. They divorced in 2000, but remained friends.On October 8, 2006, Turner married Audrey Madison in Las Vegas after six years of dating. They met in 1993; she started as an Ikette before becoming his lead singer....".  Assuming that this is factually correct - that they both started as Ikettes, and both became his lead singers - there surely needs to be at least one "also" in there... otherwise many readers will think that this precise duplication of wording may be a drafting error that has occurred somewhere along the line in the editing process. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Like Tina, it seems Audrey was also beaten by Ike, as she says in her autobiography. Jeanette also notable in her own right, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Indeed. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:50, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I've added two "also"s. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

https://web.archive.org/web/20130131131240/http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/King-of-Rhythm_-Remembering-Ro.aspx
this is your own footnote nr 18, why playing racism card?
"After his father died terribly from an industrial accident and his mother had a nervous breakdown, Turner was raised by Mrs. Z.L. Ratliff, the proprietor of Clarksdale’s Riverside Hotel, a former African-American hospital where the blues singer Bessie Smith breathed her last." 2003:CA:A74B:AB00:F1FC:826D:F685:A821 (talk) 05:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Basically this sentence According to Turner, Tina suggested Ann fill in as an Ikette because although she could not sing, she was attractive. Possibly has a POV of whoever written that sentence.
Also, Mia was born Cicily Rashale Turner not born with the name Mia, according to her birth certificate obtained by the California Birth Index and on Ancestry, which says she was born in Bakersfield, California in 1969. [1] post says the same too. Her birth certificate was also shown on Daily Mail, which is unreliable but the picture gives a full sense of what was Mia’s birth name. Also see this [2] is correct too. Don't prove me wrong but I am correct.  TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 21:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)