# Talk:M25 motorway

This edit removed all mention of the railway viaduct, between junctions 16 and 17, with the graffiti slogan "Give Peas A Chance". But it seems there are quite a few sources for the bridge and slogan, suggesting that it was or is notable. Should it be re-added? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

No it really is not noteworthy in the history and life of the M25, the user that added it commented User_talk:MilborneOne#Give_Peas_a_Chance! that he didnt think it was important and was just a light-hearted addition. MilborneOne (talk) 17:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Well, he said this:
"Given that it has received some wide media coverage [1]  [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] (two of which were cited in the article) and is discussed in a Historic Building Recording of the Chalfont Viaduct, I judge it to be noteworthy. Everybody knows about it, they just can't read about it on Wikipedia."
So I thought it might be worth asking other editors here. I tend to agree with him. You never know, he might just drop by and support re-inclusion. lol. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I agree, it should be included. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I also agree that it should be included. Jeni (talk) 11:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I have driven below said bridge half a dozen times now since it was "remodelled", sadness.  We have a clear consensus to include this information. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Looks like somebody removed it. I've re-added it, citing five reliable sources spanning 7 years, and that was pretty straightforward. Heck, it's borderline notable (as a spinoff from both this article and Chalfont Viaduct). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
It's been reading “HELTA-SKELTA” for a while now, in the same “font” as the earlier “HELCH” graffiti. Mr Larrington (talk) 16:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I am not happy about the games section in this article. I trimmed it back to "The video game, M25 Racer, was produced by Davilex Games in 1997, simulating the racing phenomenon. A similar game, TOCA Race Driver 3 by Codemasters, was released in 2006." which I think we can agree is uncontroversial and not under dispute. I did not like the spong.com source added by 86.183.140.99 as it starts off with "When SPOnG hears about controversial stories concerning video games in the UK?s national press (read: Daily Mail or a sister paper) we immediately think of some heinous crime being linked to games with violent content being irresponsibly sold to minors. .... Well, this morning, London?s commuters were treated to a new video game controvo-shit-storm. But this time it?s all a bit different. And, thankfully, a lot less dark." That doesn't sound like a reliable source.
However, since my compromise was reverted, I am taking an alternative stance. I don't personally think anything associated with the Daily Mail has a place in a good article unless it's of vital importance and would compromise the article's neutrality if not included. Which this doesn't. If editors are arguing about whether something's true or not, if in doubt, leave it out. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree with your second paragraph here. The video paragraph in the section adds nothing of value. Removal should be permanent.Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Dr Greg, The map of Heathrow Villages ward of LB Hillingdon shows the boundary running to the west of the motorway between J14 and J15. 3 MB pdf! Cavrdg (talk) 16:54, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
In the absence of any discussion, I've been bold. --Cavrdg (talk) 11:49, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I am currently trying to clear the backlog in my main sandbox and I wish to ask if anyone would be interested in incorporating a detailed timeline to this article, or "Timeline of the M25 motorway"? Best, --Minoa (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The article uses the SI-related 'tonne' as a unit of weight in various places.  However, this is often converted via a template to 'short ton', which is a US unit.  It would make more sense, if conversion is to be provided, to convert to 'long ton' (aka 'Imperial ton') which is the UK unit of weight, since the road is in the UK and not the USA.
Whilst sticking to international units, such as SI and SI-related units, might make good sense, if any conversion to another unit is to be used surely it should not be a US one, unless Wikipedia wishes to be a US-centric web site (as it often seems to). 86.184.212.55 (talk) 12:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)