# Talk:Hurricane Iselle

Is there really a need to have the 3rd costliest hurricane in Hawaii bit? It's not that hard when #3 is only $66 million. Apparently Ismael 95 was the 3rd costliest New Mexico hurricane, with $250,000 in damage. Is that worth adding? Or that Heather 77 was the third-costliest Arizona hurricane at $15 million? While it might be correct, it just seems kinda trivial for such a low damage total. If it was the third costliest in the entire US, it'd be worth adding (as I believe we did for Ike at the time), but I think this is borderline trivial. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  15:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

eh, I personally think it's worth including. And $66 million is not that low. YE Pacific Hurricane 21:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
But the source doesn't even explicitly say Iselle was the 3rd costliest. And I don't think we have any other instances of saying a storm was the third costliest in a given state. Correct me if I'm wrong though. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  21:41, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
We do. "With estimated damage costing around $53 million, Iselle surpassed Hurricane Dot in 1959 as the third-costliest tropical cyclone to ever hit the U.S. state of Hawaii (after counting for inflation)." http://www.tmcnet.com/channels/power-protection/articles/386592-hurricane-iselle-downs-power-honolulu.htm YE Pacific Hurricane 21:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Even so, when have we mentioned that for any other state? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  21:48, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Idk tbh. YE Pacific Hurricane 21:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, but Hawaii is an exception because it is so rare that a hurricane or tropical storm hits Hawaii, so what's the big deal with keeping it? The pages of of other historic hawaii hurricanes, namely Dot, Iniki and Iwa also mention it's status in terms of their large amounts of damage. The Arizona and New Mexico statement is true; however $250,000 and $15 million still doesn't compare to $66 million. In addition to the agricultural disaster declaration in Hawaii due to Iselle which was not declared with Haether of 77 or Ismael of 95. Plus, this article: http://www.tmcnet.com/channels/power-protection/articles/386592-hurricane-iselle-downs-power-honolulu.htm clearly states this. 72.87.97.95 (talk) 17:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
It's as rare as New Jersey and Maryland (both of which having three hurricanes affecting those states), and some states have only had hurricane force winds in two storms. None of those would I expect to see an indication of the third costliest storm. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Maybe they are just as rare in terms of strength, however speaking in terms of damage, which is the factor being evaluated here, there have been at least 4 hurricanes to cause over $66 million (2014) in damage in New Jersey alone since the 1940's; two of which were in the past decade ie. 1944 Great Atlantic hurricane, 1991 Perfect Storm, Hurricane Irene and Sandy. As for Maryland, since 1950 there have been 4 hurricanes to cause over $66 million in damage (2014) ie. Hurricanes Hazel, Agnes, Fran and Isabel. So, in terms of damage, considering that in recorded history there have only been 3 hurricanes to cause $66 million (2014) or more in Hawaii ie. Iselle, Iniki and Iwa, I would say that it is definitely more notable and worth adding to the page since there have been a larger number of more damaging storms in both New Jersey and Maryland; henceforth making Iselles' damage status a much rarer feat. 72.87.97.95 (talk) 12:15, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I really see no reason not to include it. If we had a source, then, I'd have not problem including it for other states. YE Pacific Hurricane 12:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Because $66 million is a relatively low figure. I just feel it's borderline trivial. But, since I know your two opinions on it, I'm not too worried anymore what you both believe :P Therefore, unless there is a sudden barrage of people wanting it out, or unless it becomes an issue in the future (say, with a GAN), then I'm not going to fight to cut it anymore, and I believe this discussion can be saved for the archives where we reminisce about 2014. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  13:07, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
← I agree that "third-costliest" is a pretty silly statistic when discussing a region that rarely has to deal with costly hurricanes. Third-costliest in the Philippines or Mexico or something, sure—the state of Hawaii? Eh. I think we'd be better off just acknowledging that Iselle is "among the costliest", or something along those lines. – Juliancolton | Talk 18:31, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

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Reviewer: TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contribs) 02:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

"Assuming a westerly course that it would maintain throughout its existence..." - Nitpicking here, but Iselle's track shows a WNW motion, not a W motion.
So true. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"Thereafter, Iselle encountered hostile environmental conditions which caused the storm to quickly weaken before making landfall on the Big Island on August 7 as a tropical storm of moderate intensity" - This sentence feels like it drags; maybe a reword or split?
I shortened it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"At 21:00 UTC on July 31, the NHC classified the disturbance as Tropical Storm Iselle due to the system's organization and the detection tropical storm-force winds by the MetOp-B scatterometer." - Need an "of" after detection.
Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"Due to the loss of any sustained thunderstorm activity at the storm's center, the CPHC decided to downgrade Iselle to a remnant area of low pressure on August 9;[26] at the time the disturbance was centered roughly 200 mi (320 km) west-southwest of Honolulu." - Need a comma after "time".
Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"Heavy rains affected most of the southern islands, with some areas of the Big Island seeing more than 12 in (300 mm) due to orographic lift from the southerly flow on the backside of Iselle." - Link orographic lift.
Added. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"The greatest total was at the Kulani National Wildlife Refuge where 15.25 in (387 mm) was observed." - Comma after Refuge
Added. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"Further north on Oahu, totals peaked at 4.22 in (107 mm) while Molaki and Lanai received generally negligible totals." - Also comma before while.
I did one better and switched the order around. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"Only one known death took place as a direct result of the storm; a 19-year old woman who was swept away by flood waters while hiking in a closed state park." - A colon or comma would be better suited here.
How about dash? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"Over 250 property owners reported damage, with at least 11 houses destroyed, Public damage and the cost to remove debris was estimated at $13.2 million. and 28 with major damage." - Seems like you had a case of mouse-jumping.
NOOOOO!!!! Haha, oops. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"Due to the threat from Iselle, lieutenant governor candidate Warner Sutton requested that governor Neil Abercrombie postpone the August 9 primary." - Governor Neil Abercrombie (capitalization).
The guvnah. Got it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"After a close campaign between incumbent senator Brian Schatz and congresswoman Colleen Hanabusa" - These should also be capitalized (senator and congresswoman).
Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"Due to the damage, congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard remarked..." - Capitalize congresswoman. Always capitalize a formal name.
Yea, yea. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"However, agriculture secretary Tom Vilsack declared an agriculture disaster..." - Capitalize.
Yep. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"When Iselle made landfall on the Big Island as a strong tropical storm, it became the strongest tropical cyclone on record to hit the island; and one of only two storms to hit the island at tropical storm intensity or higher." - Semicolon isn't necessary
Changed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
"With estimated damage cost of $66 million (2014 USD), Iselle surpassed Hurricane Dot in 1959 as the third-costliest tropical cyclone to ever hit the U.S. state of Hawaii; even after accounting for inflation." - Semicolon to comma
"In addition, Iselle was the third-strongest tropical cyclone to ever make landfall on the Hawaiian islands after Hurricanes Dot and Iniki." - Hurricanes shouldn't be capitalized
Got it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
References 39, 50, 51, 55, 75 are broken; reference 62 redirects to the main site
39, 50, 51, 55, and 75 all work for me, and 62 is fine for me as well. Not sure if you meant a different set of numbers though... There haven't been any edits to the article since your review. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Strange, using Checklinks shows them as dead links and they're indeed dead links when I click on them... TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 20:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I see. That lists it as ref 39, but in the article, that is ref 37. I'm on it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  20:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Should be fixed now. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  21:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I'll be happy to pass once the minor issues above have been addressed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the long wait, I was on vacation, but it should be good now! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Passing. :) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 21:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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I don't know if it was noted earlier, but CPHC updated Iselle's TCR to include their summary, verification, impacts and damage counting. It seems that the damages were way bigger than it's shown here. ABC paulista (talk) 00:11, 22 August 2018 (UTC)