# Talk:McEwan's

Can I see a proper current ref for "The majority of the draught beers are brewed at the Caledonian Brewery in Edinburgh" please? --John (talk) 21:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Citation 19 and 20 in the main body of the article. It's Wikipedia convention not to have references in the intro, as that merely summarises the main body, where the citations are. Farrtj (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
These are from 2004 and 2005, which is why I asked for an up to date reference for the claim. Do you have one? --John (talk) 21:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah it would be good if you'd actually looked through the article first. Citation 22 and 23 are from late 2011. [1] [2] Farrtj (talk) 22:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
They are, but neither seem to support the claim that "the majority of the draught beers are brewed at the Caledonian Brewery in Edinburgh", a claim that isn't actually made in the article body so far as I can see, therefore it's perfectly reasonable to ask for that to be cited in the lead. Malleus Fatuorum 22:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

As our article bitter (beer) quite rightly says, "bitter" is only an English term for this type of beer. In Scotland we would call it "heavy" or "80/-". I think the article needs to get usage correct. It looks somewhat incongruous to describe a Scottish pint as being a "bitter". --John (talk) 12:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the regional heads up. I guess it's pretty incongruous for an Englishman to be working on the McEwan's page! Farrtj (talk) 12:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Nice work in correcting this, and on the article in general. I'll let you off for calling Scotland a "region" as you're obviously a good guy to take such an interest in one of our staple products. --John (talk) 14:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Hopefully Scots won't let their national beer wither on the vine! Although Deuchars IPA is tastier... Farrtj (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. Had a couple last night that were delicious. --John (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Why are all the measurements in Hectolitres? Surely, Kilolitres and Megalitres would be far more recognisable and appropriate units.
ie

The second highest selling canned premium ale in the UK. In cans, it sold over 3 megalitres in 2012.
rather than

The second highest selling canned premium ale in the UK. In cans, it sold over 30,000 hectolitres in 2012.
or

A Burton or Edinburgh ale, a style known locally as "Wee Heavy". Available across the United Kingdom in 500ml bottles, it is one of the top twenty highest selling bottled ales, selling around 700 kilolitres in 2012.
rather than

A Burton or Edinburgh ale, a style known locally as "Wee Heavy". Available across the United Kingdom in 500ml bottles, it is one of the top twenty highest selling bottled ales, selling around 7,000 hectolitres in 2012.
HaniiPuppy (talk) 00:34, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Within the brewing industry, hectolitres is the internationally recognised measuring scale for brewery output. As you have realised, it's not common in other industries. For example here in Australia if a new brewhouse comes online it's described as "The new 30m Hectolitre plant at...". Here's another typical example from a trade journal in the USA describing a Mexican brewery: "Constellation Brands plans to double of the capacity of its new Piedras Negras brewery in Mexico to 20m hectolitres within three years..."  --MichaelGG (talk) 03:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

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'A Burton or Edinburgh ale, a style known locally as "Wee Heavy".' Not true. The style is called strong ale in Scotland, Scotch ale outside Scotland. "Wee heavy" is a specific term for a small ("wee") bottle of strong ("heavy") beer. See Ron Pattinson, Scotland!, Amsterdam 2012, p288 Zythophile (talk) 23:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)