# Talk:Ernest Hemingway House

I would like to add "The Ernst Hemingway Home and Museum is now located at this historic house"  as the last sentence in the intro paragraph.  Please comment on this entry.  Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 20:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

One sentence states that Hemingway did not own cats while on the property, and the other claims that he converted a urinal from Sloppy Joe's into a fountain for his cats.  Either he owned them, or he didn't.  The source for not owning the cats is the reliable of the two, so I will remove the part about the fountain being for his cats, as it contradicts the more reliable source.  165.134.121.30 (talk) 21:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Not that I'm a reliable source, but the tour guides at the house say that (1) Hemingway owned the cats, and (b) the urinal was taken from Sloppy Joe's when the owner lost his lease on the building (which fits in with the moved location of the bar.  The way the story goes, Hemingway got rip-roaring drunk the last night the bar was open in its original location, picked up the urinal and heaved it over his shoulder, saying something along the lines of 'I've pissed enough into this, I own it!'  I have no source for this, though.
The website for the Hemingway House does say that Ernest Hemingway built the drinking fountain from the urinal for his cats, though.  http://www.hemingwayhome.com/HTML/house.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.117.70 (talk) 04:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC) 

The urinal is on the property and is used as an ornimental fountain. Whether for more than that is seriously in question (though the many cats on the property appreciate it today, of course). EH might have put it in for his peacocks or simply as a bird fountain.  Since the polydactyl cats at the EH house are a major point of its attraction, anything the guides say about them is suspect (though some guides will give you the true story of EH's sons touring the house and pooh-poohing the cat mythology). EH did not develop a liking for cats until he'd moved permanently to Cuba, and the cats in the Finca photo late 1942 [1] are known, have names, and are known to be the first cats EH ever owned. Some are not full grown in this Finca Vigia photo (which is NOT 1946, BTW). EH and Pauline split in the Summer of 1939 and I rather doubt he ever saw the Key West house from the time he found it empty in December, 1939 (when I presume he collected his things from it, on his way to permanently relocating to Cuba where he was already renting a house and land with Martha/Marty Gelhorn), and Pauline's death in 1951. As for Pauline, she and the children moved out of the Key West house in the Summer of 1940, going to San Francisco, and never had cats in Key West, according to EH's children and Mary Hemingway. Pauline Pfeiffer's article states she stayed in Key West and California from 1940-51; and if not in this house in Key West I don't know where. The children however, I think more or less stayed in California after the move in 1940; with occasional Summer vacations to see their father in Cuba, mostly during the war.  The Cuban cats of 1942 and later, came from Cuba-- there's no evidence at all that EH brought any with him from Key West, when he saw it for the last time for years, in Dec. 1939. When the polydactyl cats in the Key West house arrived in Key West is a mystery, but it must have been some time after 1940, when the children were no longer at the house, and Pauline was only there occasionally. EH and Pauline Pfeiffer jointly owned and rented the Key West house to others (until Pauline's death in 1951, after which it belonged to EH). EH apparently occasionally visited the Key West property after 1951 and Pauline's death, but when he did, he stayed in the writer's room in the separate carriage house, as somebody was always living in the main house. It's possible he or a renter picked up some polydactyl cats on the property during that time (obviously SOMEBODY did), but it wouldn't be fair to call them Hemingway's cats. SBHarris 17:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
The 54 cats, many of them descendants of a white polydactyl cat owned by Ernest Hemingway, live at the writer’s house in Key West, Fla., which was hit hard by Hurricane Irma.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/us/hemingway-cats-irma.html?mcubz=1&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=U.S.&action=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article
A NY Times writer is saying Hemingway owned the cats. On a tour, I remember being told that ship captains brought the cats because they were thought to be good luck.  ~~settherecord  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Settherecord (talk • contribs) 23:33, 12 September 2017 (UTC) 

I am interested in starting am Ernest Hemingway project to improve content related to his life and works, and have proposed the project at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Wikiproject_Ernest_Hemingway_project.  Please share your thoughts there!

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Ernest Hemingway House/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: The Most Comfortable Chair (talk · contribs) 07:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I will take up this review. The Old Man and the Sea is my most favorite book and I like his works, so this should be an interesting read. Thank you. — The Most Comfortable Chair 07:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)


### Lead
"across from the Key West Lighthouse" — This bit should be covered in the prose.
"the property is the most popular tourist attraction in Key West." — This should be mentioned in the "Modern museum" sub-section.
"Pauline" → "Pauline Pfeiffer".
Suggestion — "During his time at the home, Hemingway wrote some of his best received works, including the 1936 short stories "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" and "The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber", the novels To Have And Have Not (1937) and Islands in the Stream (1970),[note 1] and the non-fiction work Green Hills of Africa (1935)" — This could be re-written for a proper timeline → " During his time at the home, Hemingway wrote some of his best received works, including the non-fiction work Green Hills of Africa (1935), the 1936 short stories "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" and "The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber", and the novels To Have And Have Not (1937) and Islands in the Stream (1970).[note 1]" — If this is changed here, it should also be changed in "Hemingway" sub-section.


### History
#### Early history
"The house stands at an elevation of 16 feet (4.9 m) above sea level, the second-highest site on the island." — Use "as of YYYY" since a relative fact is used: "the second-highest site on the island."
The source didn't include the year... ~ HAL333([2]) 04:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


#### Hemingway
Either remove the "Further information" template of unlink "Ernest Hemingway" — I would recommend removing the template since it is easier to access the article from the prose while reading.
"generally regarded as one of the greatest American writers of his time" — Goes off topic and emphasizes his work in a way that it sounds like puffery. It should be removed, especially when he can be read up on from the link. Ernest Hemingway is a featured article and his legacy isn't described in those terms.
"so that he could swim in the nude" — Perhaps it was meant to be either → "so that he could swim nude" or "so that he could swim in the pool nude"?
"While living at the house, Hemingway wrote some of his best work" — Direct assessment should be avoided as it is not neutral. Please consider re-writing as → "While living at the house, Hemingway wrote some works that are regarded to be his best".
"the short story classics "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" and "The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber"," — Mention 1936.
"Following their divorce" — Mention the year.
"His three sons auctioned off the house for $80,000" — In which year?


#### Modern museum
"Today, visitors can explore all of the house's rooms except for Hemingway's writing room, which can only be viewed through a screen." — The word "Today" should generally be avoided since it implies constant reporting instead of an encyclopedic entry of what has happened. Perhaps it could be written as → "All of the house's rooms are open to visitors, except for Hemingway's writing room, which can only be viewed through a screen."
"laid off over 30 employees." — Worth mentioning that the number constitutes half of their staff as it provides additional context.


### Cats
"Ultimately in 2012, the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled that the Animal Welfare Act was applicable" — What were the consequences of this ruling? Since it is an eight year old ruling, there must have been some changes that occurred because of it.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find any sources covering it... ~ HAL333([3]) 00:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
That will be all for now. It is a good read and should pass. Thank you and my apologies for the delay. — The Most Comfortable Chair 10:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

HAL333, I see that you have already worked on some of the points I mentioned above. However, since it has been a week that I posted the review, I wanted to send you a ping. Regards. — The Most Comfortable Chair 17:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, for not responding. I've been really busy in real life. I appreciate everything. ~ HAL333([4]) 21:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
That work is much more important, and I do not believe in hard deadlines for good article reviews. Take as long as you need. — The Most Comfortable Chair 03:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 Done I was able to address all of your concerns, except the "early history" and "Cats" one. ~ HAL333([5]) 00:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


### Final
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 
The article covers the topic in good detail and is written nicely. It meets the criteria. Thank you for your work! — The Most Comfortable Chair 09:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)