# Talk:Brumby

ln reference to the last talk. Can you please supply your evidence that feral is the correct Science word for the description of this animal. And in reference to me wishing to add Chinese medicine to the article please direct me to where I have suggested this. Shenqijing (talk) 03:48, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

The page is very biased toward presentation of feral horse deficiencies instead of pointing to Brumby attributes.
According to the IUCNScientific Guidlines and the UKINC 1979 the Word feral does not appear to be the best fit for this animal. Infact it could be seen to be considered Naturalised as it is self sustainable and self sufficient after being introduced. We need a more open descision please. Shenqijing (talk) 04:01, 26 June 2020 Shenqijing (talk) 04:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Here is a link for the Scientific definitions for organisms, species and race.  https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1046/j.1365-2664.2000.00538.x

Shenqijing (talk) 05:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Please stop wasting everyone's time here. HiLo48 (talk) 05:22, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@Shenqijing: (With apologies to everyone else who is sick of it already) I'm going to feed your desire to talk about righting a great wrong just once. I've read the document you refer to above, "The impacts of non‐native species on UK biodiversity and the effectiveness of control", and I'll quote to you the sentence from it that defines "feral": ‘Feral’ is an organism (or its descendants) that has been kept in domestication, captivity (animals) or cultivation (plants) but which, following escape or release, now lives in the wild state. However, populations are not necessarily self‐maintaining. There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that (1) horses are not native to Australia; (2) Australian horses were originally introduced by humans and "kept in domestication"; (3) brumbies either escaped or were released and now live in the wild state.
Please accept that the very document you adduce as evidence does not support your position that "the Word feral does not appear to be the best fit for this animal". It is certainly true that 'naturalised' would be an alternative according to the document's authors, but a self-sustaining population fits both definitions, and the editors here have reached a consensus to use "feral", which covers both self-sustaining and non-self-sustaining populations.
I have raised my objection to your continued tendentious commentary solely by way of a warning, and as an attempt to dissuade you from further pursuit of the issue. I do not consider myself involved in this article, and I will feel free to apply sanctions to you should you continue on this path. I hope that you draw a line under this and find another topic where you can make a productive contribution. --RexxS (talk) 16:00, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thankyou for your reply so what about the other definition of Naturalised.  RexxS ?. Shenqijing (talk) 16:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Once again thank you for your consideration and please be advised that from my understanding Wiki is a public resource so I like many have the right to open a robust debate. You still have not address the fact that a Australian federal judge has in his wisdom decided that feral may have bias. So what is your experience with key stone and Climax species when it pertains to self sustainable and self limiting process and outcomes to conclude that feral is a better fit that Naturalised. As these definitions are not just about animals,breads but also about race ?.

 Shenqijing (talk) 16:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked from editing this talk page and the article. --RexxS (talk) 18:29, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I just want to pop a note here that the word "colt", meaning a young male horse, is so commonly misused to refer to foals that its use must be handled carefully.  It was so common that in works from 50-100 years ago, one sees biologically impossible phrasing like "she was a filly colt." (Arrgh) In etymology, I guess we have to do what we have to do, but the use of the male form of a noun to describe the generic animal is problematic, though I realize that many non-English languages have gendered nouns and so that complicates things further.  But for all of the above reasons, I put the word "colt" in quotes in the history/etymology section to make it clear that it was the word's immediate translation, no more and no less.  Apparently, we don't have a source for whether the word was intended to be a gendered noun but referring to all young horses of either sex or if it was deliberately intended to apply only to young male horses. Montanabw(talk) 17:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)