# Talk:Charmayne James

Montanabw White Arabian Filly Atsme
Just a heads up, if you have a suggestions on the hook before I fill out the nomination form. This is just my second time.
I'm going to nominate this article for a DYK. This is going to be my second nomination so I can nominate it myself. I have one hook in mind that I am sure is the best hook. It pertains to the barrel racing run where Scamper's bridle fell off and hung from his neck (and then the bit and Charmayne still managed to win the round.
.. that ProRodeo Hall of Fame barrel racer Charmayne James still managed to win the round when her horse Scamper's bridle fell off?
dawnleelynn(talk) 21:15, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Charmayne James/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Slightlymad (talk · contribs) 09:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Howdy y'all, I will be doing this. Pinging co-nominator Dawnleelynn. Slightlymad 09:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 


#### General comments
I would like to thank White Arabian Filly, Atsme, and Montanabw for their involvement in this GAR, which according to WAF is Dawnleelynn's first nomination. Since the criteria have been met, I shall now mark it as a pass. Congratulations.  Slightlymad 04:55, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Yay!! Thank you for your time and diligence, Slightlymad. It is much appreciated. Atsme📞📧 13:30, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay folks. I was indisposed until now. I should like to first thank Slightlymad for their time and effort in reviewing this article in the good article review process. It is very much appreciated. Thanks for making it pretty much a painless process. I also thank White Arabian Filly, Atsme, and Montanabw for their crucial assistance in editing this article, it was not just some editing here and there; it was substantive editing that started back with the expansion of the article Scamper. I love seeing it all come together into this good article that I only consider myself as having a hand in. Words do not do it justice. The subject, James, being one of the greatest, if not the greatest barrel racer of all time, truly deserves such an exemplary article. dawnleelynn(talk) 22:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: discussion not relevant to subject: it's regarding adding archive links to live links and the IA Bot.

Atsme First of all, let me say wonderful updates to the article. Good stuff! Just one little thing. In the Career summary section that you tossed, there were a few bits we needed. Why you may ask? Because the James article is set up to use a lead with no citations in it that summarizes the article per that is how montanabw taught me. I noticed back when we were working on it together that many of your GA articles used citations in them. No way is better than the other, just different. Some of the information in the lead became citation orphaned when you tossed the Career summary section. Mainly, the citation for her winning the WPRA Barrel Racing Championships. And the years and the citations for winning the NFR Average Championships. Also the part about her retirement is only in the lead now. I know that using the lead as a summary of everything below the way montanabw and I do causes replication of information. However, I am not married to this policy in James' article if you feel it would be better to change it as this point and start citing in the lead and not use it so much as a summary. Whatever you decide. My only goal here is to have everything included and cited. Also, the gold medal from Calgary was removed, if intentional, so be it. There could be other bits I missed. I know you do what is best for the article either way. Thanks! :)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawnleelynn (talk • contribs) 12:45, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

The lead is the summary. We use citations in the lede if we think the material might be challenged. The citations about her winnings are already in the body text, so we don't have to keep repeating them unless challenged.  While multiple RS are required to establish WP:N, an article can be written citing only a few RS for verifiability and support of the material.  I think we've done that regarding her earnings and titles, and I doubt it will be challenged but if it is, we can always add more.  I think we covered it quite well in the lead without straying from sports into promotional.  It's possible it can be tweaked even more over time.  That's how it works on WP.  Happy editing! Atsme📞📧 21:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Atsme Thanks for adding a signature to my last post. I learned how to do that myself recently too. Hey, thanks for explaining. I did not know that about adding citations in the lead specifically for content that might be challenged. Good to know! I appreciate everything you explained and it makes sense. I see everything from the Career summary section is covered in the most recent version of the article except two items:
The years she won the NFR Averages 1984, 1986, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1993, and 2002.
She qualified for the NFR 19 times with 5 different horses.
I think we should include the years she won the NFR Average. And that she qualified for the NFR 19 times. We don't necessarily need to say she used 5 different horses though. Also, regarding the gold medal, I have never come across that award before, so I trust you when you say it's not that notable. I trust for all you said above. I do know that we included the years she won the WPRA championships, and think the years for the average would  naturally be included too. Or am I missing them somewhere? Thanks for your interest in the article again; I know you have the best interests in mind. I am just inexperienced at the GA article level; this is still just my first one. White Arabian Filly and I tried to take Eternal Sun to GA, but we encountered some issues. And now she is on the missing Wikipedians list. Sad. Thanks so much for your time on this article. :) dawnleelynn(talk) 22:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
See footnote 28. It's all cited and verified. Atsme📞📧 23:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

James' awards were removed from the article when it was made a Good Article. But I'd like to not lose them, so I'm adding them here: