# Talk:Brave (Joyryde album)

This article follows WikiProject Electronic music and most references here are notable enough to be listed as 'news coverage' in the 'Electronic music sources' section. Nevertheless, here is a list of most references (without a Wikipedia page) used in this article with an 'about us' page which would have a list of editorial staff showing that these sources are not just blogs and have some sort of editorial oversight or staff:

EDM Sauce - https://www.edmsauce.com/about-us/staff/
Founder & CEO - Steven Jacobs, Editor in Chief - Erik Mahal, VP of Events - Kris Novak, Director of Photography - Joseph D'Oria, VP of HR Operations - Bruce Genovese
Your EDM - https://www.youredm.com/about-us/
CEO - Elliot Sachs, CFO - Nick Ward, Editor-in-Chief - Matthew Meadow, Label Director - Greg Sills, Chief Content & Social Media Manager - Lucas, Content Curator - Ben Jacobs, 15 other staff.
EARMILK - https://earmilk.com/about/
Director / Partnerships - Inna Shnayder, Co-Founder / president - Montrey Whittaker, Co-Founder / publisher - Blake Edwards, Senior Editor - David Sikorskin, Associate Editor - Lindsay Herr, Managing Editor - Steph Evans, Experimental Editor - Mike Waite, Indie Editor - Bronte Martin, Dance/Electronic Editor - Ry Smith, Hip-Hop Editor - Jahn Parker, Director of Social Media - Jeff Lourenço, Social Media Associate - Kaley Vick, Daily Graphics Lead - Alex Geerken
We Rave You - https://weraveyou.com/the-crew/
CEO & Founder - Yotam Dov, CO-Manager - Tim Olsson, Editor - Shantanu Singh, Instagram Manager - Antonio Di Giorgio, Writer - Abhinav Manmohan, Editor - Florito Maniego, Spotify Manager - Tomas Zboril, Youtube Manager - Petar Lazarevic, Writer - Raymond Murphy, Brand Manager - Branka Maxim, Twitter Manager - Henry Wallis, Editor - Amy Martine Shaw, Writer - Alexander Costello, Writer - Sean Wolfe, Writer - Keith Warren, Writer - James Todoroski, Editor - Jake Gable, Video Manager / Writer - Johan de Kock
Run the Trap - https://runthetrap.com/staff/
CEO and Founder - Adam Hirsch, Editor in Chief - Hunter Thompson, Staff Writer - Sam Waggoner, Staff Writer/ Event Promo Coordinator - Nick Isasi, Staff Writer - Amanda Torres
EDM Identity - https://edmidentity.com/about/team/
Co-Founder / Editor-In-Chief - Grant Gilmore, Managing Editor - Erin Cropper, Content Strategist - Matt Schaitel, Senior editors - Abisola Oseni, Cassey Varvel, Maria Clinton, Editor - Jayce Ullah-Blocks, Webmasters - Connor Taylor, Tim Goth, 8 Correspondents
DJ Mag - https://djmag.com/staff
Managing Director - Martin Carvell, Editor-In-Chief - Carl Loben, Deputy Editor - Ben Hindle, Tech Editor - Mick Wilson, Production Coordinator - Becca Antoon, Commercial Director -  Heath Holmes, Deputy Digital Editor - Rob McCallum, Digital Staff Writer - Amy Fielding
Dancing Astronaut - https://dancingastronaut.com/about/
Chief Executive Officer - Senthil Chidambaram, Editor-in-Chief - David Klemow, Managing Editors - Christina Hernandez, Robyn Dexter, Bella Bagshaw, Editor-at-Large - Will McCarthy, Senior Editors - achel Narozniak, Farrell Sweeney, Staff Writers - Chris Stack, Jessica Mao, Harry Levin, Josh Stewart, Mitchell Rose, Rugby Scruggs
I don't think you understand what editorial oversight means at all. Of course all sites have staff, websites don't create themselves. This is a clear cut case of WP:BOMBARD almost all the references are PR announcements of singles or albums and the rest is Top Ten Must hear album blog drab. All of which lack depth, reliability and fully fail to demonstrate notability. This article should continue to be declined in the state it is in. Sulfurboy (talk) 09:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
@Sulfurboy: Can you prove that? It just sounds like you scanned through like 3 references, got the wrong impression, then declined it. Pretty much every source here has been previously discussed as being notable by the Electronic music WikiProject group. This includes Billboard, Dancing Astronaut, Your EDM, and DJ Mag.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Brave (Joyryde album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 20:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Will start this review tomorrow --K. Peake 20:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


### Infobox and lead
Where does the body state that recording started in 2018?
Removed the recording bit, can't difinitivly prove that production started that year.
Replace hlist with bullet points in the infobox
Done.
Wikilink UK bass
Done.
Remove venue parameter as that is for live recordings
Removed.
Remove all caps stylisation from the lead since this is not supposed to be noted for albums
Removed.
Remove wikilink on studio album
Removed.
Remove "American record label" introduction to the label since this context is not needed
Removed.
Target Hard Recs to Hard (music festival)
Done.
"and features: Mika Means," → "and features guest appearances from Mika Means," with the appropriate wikilink
Changed.
Remove target on NoLay
Removed.
"It includes the 2016 song "Damn" (featuring Freddie Gibbs) as a bonus track." → ""Damn" is included as a bonus track, which features Freddie Gibbs."
Changed.
"distinct genres: Bass house," → "distinct genres of house," with the appropriate target
Changed.
Wikilink UK bass
Done.
"The album's themes reflect" → "The themes of it reflect"
Changed.
"were released as promotional singles:" → "were released as singles in 2019:" with the target
Changed.
""Yuck" featuring Gold," → ""Yuck", which features Gold,"
Changed.
"Ford's collaboration with Skrillex," → "Joyryde's collaboration with Skrillex," with the wikilink
Changed.
"the debut single of the album;" → "the album's lead single;" with the wikilink
Changed.
"the announcement of the actual debut single "I'm Gone"" → "the ultimate release of "I'm Gone" as the first single"
Changed.
"while coping with drug withdrawals" → "around the time of coping with drug withdrawals"
Changed.
"Three months after..." remove this sentence as you have already wrote about the single and the others
Removed.
"seventeen months after the album's original" → "17 months after the original" per MOS:NUM
Changed.
"Upon its release, Brave received positive reviews" → "Brave received positive reviews"
Changed.
"who noted its attention" → "who noted the attention"
Changed.
"sound design while saying that" → "sound design, while a few said that"
Changed.
"most anticipated albums." → "most anticipated albums of 2020."
Changed.
"The single "I'm Gone" was selected" → ""I'm Gone" was selected"
Changed.
Target Bass House to Bass house (music)
Done.
Target G-House to Ghetto house
Done.


### Background
"John Ford uploaded a photo" → "Joyryde uploaded a photo" as needs to be changed on multiple cases, since a lot of this is about his musical career not personal life
Will change, though since you've specifically listed when to change it from his real name to his stage name, I'll follow those.
"of Owsla's logo." → "of record label Owsla's logo." with the wikilink
Changed.
"Skrillex later posted" → "The record label's signee Skrillex later posted"
Changed.
"which teased a collaboration with Ford." → "that teased a collaborative track with Joyryde."
Changed.
"of an album.[3] Skrillex's record label, Owsla, released the song" → "of an album;[3] Owsla released the song as a single" with the target
Changed.
"Soon after Ford announced "Agen Wida" he announced his debut album," → "Soon after announcing "Agen Wida", Joyryde announced his debut studio album"
Changed.
"Ford delayed Brave" → "Joyryde delayed Brave"
Changed.
Wikilink Twitter
Done.
Merge the third paragraph with the second para
Merged.
"Three months later," → "Nearly three months later,"
Changed.
"Ford announced that" → "Joyryde announced that"
Changed, There were multiple instances of this exact wording, which is kinda weird, but I've changed them as well.
"the first single from his album" → "the lead single from Brave" with the wikilink
Changed.
"confused fans as some believed" → "confused fans, as some believed"
Changed.
"as Ford had announced it" → "due to Joyryde having announced it"
Changed.
"released as the first single" → "released as the lead single"
There were multiple instances of this exact wording as well, so I've hanged them too.
"released via Hard Recs, a subsidiary" → "was released via Hard Recs, which is a subsidiary"
Changed.
Target to Hard (music festival) should only be on "of the same name" text
Done.
"The release of "I'm Gone" confirmed" → "The release being through the record label confirmed"
Changed.
"meaning that "Agen Wida" would" → "reaffirming that "Agen Wida" would"
Changed.
Merge the final para with this one
Merged
"Ford posted a teaser video" → "Joyryde posted a teaser video"
Changed.
Wikilink social media
Done.
"early March 2020 showing" → "early March 2020, showing"
Changed.
"confirmed the album would feature seventeen tracks," → "confirmed Brave would feature 17 tracks,"
Changed.
"Ford had released in total under the Joyryde alias." → "John Ford had released in total under the Joyryde alias at the time."
Changed.


### Production and composition
#### Recording
Img should be moved to the release section while staying on left; I will provide further instructions for the cover sub-section relevant to this
Moved.
"Brave's album artwork" → "Brave's album artwork" on the img main text, also wikilink X-ray
Done and done.
Remove wikilink on extended play
Removed.
"said that he did not feel like himself and." → "said that he did not feel like himself during this time period."
Changed.
"hallucinations and suicidal thoughts and put him" → "hallucinations and suicidal thoughts, among other mental issues, and put Ford"
Changed.
"to finish the extended play." → "to finish the EP."
Changed.
"before he would" → "before he could"
Changed.
"but later could not remember making" → "but later could not remember coming up with"
Changed.
"but he suffered from" → "but suffered from"
Changed.
"He finished one song" → "Ford finished one song"
Changed.
The second para should be merged with the first one
Done.


#### Music and lyrics
"explores genres including" → "explores the genres of"
Changed.
"conveying it as a" → "conveying the analysis as a"
Changed.
"He went on to say" → "Ford went on to say that"
Changed.
"but what he wanted it to be." → "though he wanted Brave to be good." since this is what he actually is speaking about
That makes more sense, changed.
"Ford concluded saying" → "Ford concluded by saying"
Changed.
"Ford makes use of vocals from featured artists and samples" → "Joyryde makes use of vocals from featured artists and vocal samples"
Changed.
Target Damn to Damn (Joyryde song)
Done.
Change the bass house genre of "I'm Gone" to house per WP:STICKTOSOURCE, as that is what the ref says and it mentions a bassline separately
Done, and I'm guessing I wouldn't link house to "House music" because it already was a paragraph before.
Remove target on trap
Done.
[19] should be solely at the end of the sentence
Done, I don't know why I put it there in the first place...
"produced by Ford while medicated" → "that was produced by Ford when he was medicated"
Changed.
"He felt his" → "Ford felt his"
Changed.
"his life as that is what he felt brought himself" → "his life, due to him feeling that was what brought himself"
Changed.
"female rap vocals based" → "female rap vocals, based"
Changed.
Target synth to Synthesizer
Done.
"The second single "Yuck" is" → "The track "Yuck" is"
Changed
Remove target on hip hop
Done.
"and trap music[23] and features" → "and trap music[23], and features"
Changed.
"Ford was impressed by" → "Joyryde was impressed by"
Changed.
"It makes use of" → "The song makes use of"
Changed.
"rather than Ford's" → "rather than Joyryde's"
Changed.
Wikilink time signature
Done.
[25] should be solely at the end of the sentence after [24]
Done.
"over top." → "over the top."
Changed.
"estimated he only spent nine hours" → "estimated that only nine hours were spent"
Changed.
"and left the majority of the record" → "and had left the majority of Brave"
Changed.
"he did not want" → "Ford did not want"
Changed.
"if he continued working on it." → "if he did so."
Changed.
"The third single, "Madden"," → "The track "Madden""
Changed.
Merge this para with the above one
Done.
Wikilink Method Man and add the song's release year in brackets
Done and added.
Remove target on house music plucks
Done.
"It is a mix" → "The song is a mix"
Changed.
"hip hop and makes use of" → "hip hop, with it making use of"
Changed.
The Wolf of Wall Street should be italicised
Done.
"set on a" → "that is set in a"
Changed.
"arrangement set at a tempo" → "arrangement, with a tempo" with the wikilink
Changed.
[33][34][32] should be put in numerical order
Done.
"was good but felt a" → "was good, though felt a"
Changed.
"by making it" → "by making the song"
Changed.
"and making the song sound more" → "and leading to it sounding more"
Changed.
"He did not want" → "Ford did not want"
Changed.
"in the song as" → "in the song, as"
Changed.


#### Cover
Move this to being the final sentence of the release section's fist para
Moved
"The cover for" → "The cover art for"
Changed.
"Mexican Painter Frida Kahlo following" → "Mexican painter Frida Kahlo, taken following"
Changed.


### Release
Retitle to Release and promotion
Done.
"Ford announced the" → "Joyryde announced the"
Changed.
Remove wikilink on social media
Done.
"to be on 3 April via" → "to be on 3 April, through"
Changed.
Remove target on Hard Recs
Done.
Your EDM should not be italicised
Bit weird seeing as they are an online magazine, but done regardless.
"was to be released" → "was slated to be released"
Changed.
"Ford revealed that" → "Joyryde revealed that"
Changed.
"before its announcement," → "before the album's announcement,"
Changed.
Remove target on singles
Done.
"It was made available" → "Brave was made available"
Changed.
"on the same day as its announcement." → "on 17 March 2020." to reintroduce the date
Changed.
"The album was released on digital download stores and streaming services with" → "The album was released for digital download and streaming on the scheduled date, containing"
Changed.
"Ford's 2016 single" → "with Joyryde's 2016 Freddie Gibbs collaborative single" with the wikilink
Changed.
Remove target on "Damn"
Done.
Second para should be merged with the first one
Done.
"It was composed of" → "The mix was composed of"
Changed.
"songs by other artists such as" → "songs by other artists, such as"
Changed.
"The set was later uploaded" → "It was later uploaded"
Changed.


#### Singles
"Ford featured two" → "Joyryde featured two" on the img main text and wikilink Hollywood Palladium
Changed and done.
"being "I'm Gone" which was released as a single" → "being "I'm Gone", which was released as the lead single"
Changed.
"the song surfaced online," → "the song had surfaced online,"
Changed.
"its official release." → "the official release."
Changed.
"official release and launched Hard Recs." → "official release by Hard Recs, launching the record label."
Changed.
"believed that Ford was" → "believed that Joyryde was"
Changed.
"Ford's previous song," → "Joyryde's previous song,"
Changed.
Remove wikilink on "Agen Wida"
Done.
"was thought to be released as the lead single from Brave;" → "was thought to have been released as the lead single from the album;"
Changed.
"The song's contrast" → "The latter's contrast"
Changed.
Dancing Astronaut should not be italicised
Done.
"depiction of Ford's" → "depiction of Joyryde's"
Changed.
Target classical to Classical music
Done.
"praising Ford's sound" → "praising Joyryde's sound"
Changed.
""Yuck" was released next on" → ""Yuck" was released as the second single from Brave on"
Changed.
"2019 and featured 20-year-old rapper Gold." → "2019, with a feature from rapper Gold."
Changed.
"of Ford's signature style" → "of Joyryde's signature style"
Changed.
"of the composition." → "of the song's composition."
Changed.
Your EDM should not be italicised
Done.
"genres as well;" → "genres alongside trap and hip-hop;"
Changed.
"Ford's distinctive style." → "Joyryde's distinctive style."
Changed.
Dancing Astronaut should not be italicised
Done.
"of Ford's most" → "of Joyryde's most"
Changed.
"Gold's lyrical delivery solidified" → "Gold's delivery solidified"
Changed.
"to maintain a sense" → "for maintaining a sense"
Changed.
Remove the speech mark from the end of this sentence as it is not from any started quote
Done.
"Peach Gallagher praised the single writing that Ford's" → "Peach Gallagher from Run The Trap praised the single, writing that Joyryde's"
Changed.
"turns "the party" → "turn "the party"
Changed.
"Ford released "Madden" as" → "Joyryde released "Madden" as"
Changed.
"The song played during Ford's" → "The song had been played during Joyryde's"
Changed.
"Ford wrote that after" → "Ford said that after"
Changed.
Remove wikilink on The Wolf of Wall Street
Done.
"On 26 July, he featured" → "On 26 July 2019, Joyryde featured"
Changed.
"his live set" → "his live set at the"
Changed.
"The energetic release, described by" → "The energetic single, as described by"
Changed.
Run the Trap → Run The Trap as that is how it is identified
As there are multiple instances of this, I've changed this as well as all the other ones as well.
"with Ford's signature" → "that features Joyryde's signature"
Changed.
"Matthew Meadow of Your EDM wrote about" → "Meadow wrote about"
Changed.
"mixed with the song's" → "being mixed with the song's"
Changed.
"that only Ford had been" → "that only Joyryde has been"
Changed.
"Meadow continued to say the song" → "He continued, saying the song"
Changed.
"in Ford's repertoire." → "in Joyryde's repertoire."
Changed.
"The release of the fourth single" → "The release of Brave's fourth single"
Changed.
"Ford explained that" → "Joyryde explained that"
Changed.
"to postpone it as he" → "to postpone the release of the song because he"
Changed.
"the day before its initial release." → "the day before the song's scheduled release."
Changed.
"was later released on" → "was ultimately released as a single on"
Changed.
"he wanted no make" → "he wanted to make"
Changed.
"to add contrast" → "to add a contrast"
Changed.
"from Ford's live sets." → "from his live sets."
Changed.
Run the Trap → Run The Trap
Changed from previous edits.
"in Ford's DJ mixes," → "in Joyryde's DJ mixes,"
Changed.
"Serrano also described how" → "Serrano further described how"
Changed.


#### Music video
"The "Thrill" music video debuted" → "The music video for the track "Thrill" debuted" with the wikilink
Changed.
"on Ford's" → "through Joyryde's"
Changed.
[49][48][50][51] should be put in numerical order
Done.
Wikilink Facebook
Done.
"who played the" → "that played the"
Changed.
"before the music video's release." → "before the release."
Changed.


### Critical reception
"Critical response to Brave" → "Critical response to Brave from music critics" with the target
Changed.
"Billboard's Kat Bein praised it highly," → "Bein praised the album highly,"
Changed.
"the best the song for its" → "the best song, noting its"
Changed.
Dancing Astronaut should not be italicised
Done.
"the anticipation and that the songs" → "the anticipation, while commenting that the songs"
Changed.
"with Ford's signature" → "with Joyryde's signature"
Changed.
"Writing for Your EDM, Karlie Powell praised the album" → "Powell praised the album"
Changed.
"Ford put into the album" → "Joyryde put into the album"
Changed.
"She said the song "Brooklyn" was her personal favourite," → "Wright said "Brooklyn" was her personal favourite song,"
Changed.
"Online magazines included" → "Multiple online magazines included"
Changed.
"Your EDM and Run the Trap wrote about" → "Your EDM and Run The Trap wrote about"
Changed from previous edits.
"for their respective lists" → "on their respective lists"
Changed.
"mentioned the album's delayed" → "mentioned its delayed"
Changed.
Remove target on Billboard
Done.
"included the album on" → "included Brave on"
Changed.
"list in an article" → "lists in an article"
Changed.
"The song "I'm Gone" was awarded" → ""I'm Gone" was awarded"
Changed.
"noting its exploration" → "with the staff noting the exploration"
Changed.
Target chords to Chord (music)
Done.
Remove target on bass house
Done.
"breakbeats and calling it a" → "breakbeats, going on to call the song a"
Changed.
"on the Best of 2019 by" → "on the Best of 2019, voted for by"
Changed.


### Track listing
Digital download → Track listing for Brave
Changed.
Target Isabella Gotti to NoLay
Done.
Wikilink Freddie Gibbs under writers
Done.


### Personnel
Good


### Release history
Release formats for Brave → Release dates and formats for Brave
Changed.
Target Hard Recs to Hard (music festival)
Done.


### References
Copyvio score looks good at 10.7%
Nice, guess that means I wouldn't need to do any major re-writes then.
Make sure all of these archived by using the tool
I Tried to use IABot to make sure its all good, but apparently I've been blocked from using it.
Run the Trap → Run The Trap on all refs using it
Done.
Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 1; I am not talking about the name Joyryde as that is the stylisation and keep it in all caps on any of the refs where it is alread
Done.
Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 2 and cite Dancing Astronaut as publisher instead, keeping the wikilink
From what I understand, you want me to replace the "name of website" bit with "publisher", so I've done that.
Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 3, 4, 10, 46 and 50
Done
Fix MOS:QWQ and MOS:CAPS issues with refs 7, 17, 19, 22, 23, 27, 28, 33, 34, 36, 42, 44, 48, 51
Done
Cite Your EDM as publisher instead for all refs using it
Done
Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 11, 15, 18, 20, 21, 24, 25, 30, 32, 35, 38, 41, 43, 46, 53
Done
Cite Dancing Astronaut as publisher instead for all refs using it
Done
Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 47 and cite YouTube as publisher instead
Done, though I left "JOYRYDE" and "MAJILLA" as that is the stylisation, as you've said previously.
Cite Apple Music (US) as publisher for ref 62 with the wikilink
Done.


### Final comments and verdict
 On hold but I noticed an issue throughout was referring to Joyryde by his real name too much, kudos for your quick responses so far though! --K. Peake 20:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
MicroPowerpoint Nice quick fixes, I will now  Pass this! --K. Peake 07:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)