# Talk:Key (basketball)

There wasn't an article for this before, seriously? -Annonymous

I was surprised myself when I found out there was no article about this. --Howard the Duck 02:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Before I begin I want to say that I want to help you improve the article and my comments are not personal. I am only somewhat familiar with basketball (Go Celts!) but I am trying to gauge the article on its merits.
I made some copy edits for structure, but not content.

I added metric equivalents, I know the game is US in origin but not everyone knows how much 2, 6 or 15 feet is.
I upgraded your citation format to use the {{cite web}} template. They are all updated with all pertinent information. Again, only a format edit - no content edits were made.
Be consistent with the formats used for measurements: use either 6 feet or six feet, not both. I edited it to use only the numeric version, i.e. 6 feet).
My issues with the article as written:

It reads poorly. The grammar and phraseology need improvement, specifically in regards to matching of tenses.
Are there articles for the other terms in the article? I would assume that other terms such as free throw line, backboard and other terms are in Wikipedia somewhere and it would help to know what they are with wikilinks.
In regards to the statement that the article reads poorly, here is an example:

The free throw circle is at a universally-recognized 6 feet in radius from the free throw line, with the half of the free throw circle farthest from the basketball traced in solid lines. The diameter of the free-throw circle (the free-throw line) is 15 feet from the face of the backboard; the face of the backboard is two feet away from the end-line.
In just reading it I am having issues understanding it, I do not know if it is jargon or lack of proof reading.
Now read this:

The free throw circle is an area with a universally-recognized 6 foot (1.8 m) radius that extends from the center of the free throw line, with the half of the free throw circle farthest from the basketball net traced in solid lines. The free-throw line is 15 feet (4.6 m) from the face of the backboard, with the face of the backboard 2 feet (.6 m) away from the end-line.
It conveys the same point, but reads much better and is more clear. Please notice that I added word net to the first sentence, it appears to be missing from the description and with it there the statement makes more sense. There are numerous incidents of this throughout the article.
- Jeremy (Jerem43 02:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)) (updated 14:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC))


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Thanks for the assessments. Here are my replies:
Most websites I used as references didn't use metric equivalents. However, most FIBA website do use them.
For numbers, I use the convention <11, use numerals, >10, use words.
Other articles - I suspect there should only be a few. Like free-throw and three-point field goal. Most other markings on the floor doesn't have articles.
I'll try to improve the grammar on this article. I'll remove most of the jargon too. --Howard the Duck 03:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Also it's amusing to note that this article has more info than the basketball court article. --Howard the Duck 03:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Cool, I'll see what it looks like later.

I added the metric numbers because of FIBA; I know b-ball is played around the Mediterranean and that is of course metric measurements.
Reading over the MoS, it prefers that you use the same consistent numbering schemes through the whole article. You had 6, six and two so I standardized on 6,2,15 etc. Although it does say that when using numbers <10 → words, 10+ → numbers, distance should be numeric (that is what the MoS seems to say).
There should be, get writing. 
Have fun! I hate editing for grammar. Feel free to use my example above.
There should be more info in these articles, basketball is becoming a real international sport and some countries have no clue what it is. In fact the Boston Celtics and Minnesota Timberwolves played a game in London this week - the first professional game played there.
- Jeremy (Jerem43 05:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC))
Your edits look good, I passed it. - Good Job!
-Jeremy (Jerem43 00:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC))

Yay --Howard the Duck 03:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Howard, just checking up on this. I put a clarify statement on a new edit you recently did. It is a little hard to understand.
Jeremy (Jerem43 (talk) 16:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC))

How about this...
In American professional basketball, the defending team is prohibited to stay in the key for three seconds. If a player surpasses that time, his team will be charged with a defensive three-second violation, which will result in a technical foul where the team with the ball shoots one free throw plus ball possession.
Note than in FIBA-sanctioned tournaments, defending teams are allowed to stay on the key for an unlimited amount of time. (+ this paragraph)
--Howard the Duck 17:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Another thing, looks like the NCAA did away with the restricted area arc. --Howard the Duck 17:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks absooluutly beeeutifull...
8) (Jerem43 (talk) 22:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC))

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