# Talk:Ludwig's subathon

@Theleekycauldron: I didn't see any sources that refer to the subathon as "Ludwig subathon". It also feels clunky and incorrect to me: in English, we don't just stick words together to form possessives. In your summary, you said the new title is "wiki-style title". Can you link to the guideline/previous precedent of this? The subathon had no formal title so picking an alternative is challenging. Thank you — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 00:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@PerfectSoundWhatever: I based it off of article titles like Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign or Andrew Cuomo sexual harassment allegations – cases where the title describes an incident involving a person, without using a possessive. I'm not sure if a possessive is needed here? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: I understand the reasoning, but shouldn't we use what appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME, without regard to consistency with other articles? "Ludwig's subathon" is used by GameRant, Screen Rant, PC Gamer, The Loadout. The only site I could find using "Ludwig subathon" was Upcomer (no idea if this is even a rs). It seems most publications just describe the subathon with words, not with a definite title, which is annoying. For example, the New York Times article uses "his subathon stream" in the prose and has no definite name in the title or subtitle. USA Today is similar, describing it as a "a 30-day streaming binge". Ludwig himself refers to the stream as just "the Subathon", which is obviously unideal, since it adds confusion between other subathons, and subathons in general.
I'm undoing the page move per WP:BRD, since it appears more sources use "Ludwig's subathon" over "Ludwig subathon". In absence of an official title, we should just use whatever sources seem to use the most. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 15:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
@PerfectSoundWhatever: That's fine with me :) thanks for leaving me a note! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Assuming the GA passes, jotting down some ideas for hooks.

...that Ludwig Ahgren's appendectomy led to him livestreaming for 31 days instead of 24 hours?
...that Ludwig Ahgren showered on camera during his 31-day continuous livestream?
...that after livestreaming for 31 days, Ludwig Ahgren netted US$1,434,850 but profited US$202,000?
...that Ludwig Ahgren slept for 31.5% of his 31-day continuous livestream?
— PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 01:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

...that Ludwig Ahgren livestreamed for 31 days instead of 24 hours due to his appendectomy?  — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 17:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I know lots of people have reviewed this article, but there's a sentence I can't quite make sense of: "Ahgren's stream started a trend of subathons, which were not as popular until Ahgren's". Should the first verb be "continued"? - there was a trend already, but it wasn't popular until Ahgren's performance. Or should the final words be "as Ahgren's" or perhaps "until Cenat's" - Ahgren did start the trend, but the later performances were mostly not as popular? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Subathons were already a thing prior, but Ahgren's subathon started a trend of other people doing them. This is what the source says: "This concept [subathons] was largely made popular by an event that now YouTube streamer Ludwig ran in 2021." [1].
I tried to rephrase that sentence. Is it more clear now? Thanks — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 19:02, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@PerfectSoundWhatever: Yes, that's much clearer. Thank you. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:14, 6 March 2023 (UTC)