# Talk:Mama (My Chemical Romance song)

This date needs a valid source pronto. There are plenty of warnings about putting false/rumoured dates in this article, so just don't do it. Deleting this until evidence of its validity arises. Softwing (talk) 09:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
clearly no one reads discussion pages anymore, as it has happened again. Give a source or don't edit the page. Seems pretty clear to me. If you give a date with no citation, it isn't going to be sticking around. Softwing (talk) 14:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Mama (My Chemical Romance song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Leafy46 (talk · contribs) 00:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: FishLoveHam (talk · contribs) 08:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey! I'll take on this review, expect comments soon!  FishLoveHam (talk) 08:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)


### Lead
"when" → "after". -- Y Done
"Produced by the band and Rob Cavallo, "Mama" was written by band members Bob Bryar, Frank Iero, Ray Toro, Gerard Way, and Mikey Way." kinda awkwardly worded, maybe try "The song was written by band members Bob Bryar, Frank Iero, Ray Toro, Gerard Way, and Mikey Way and was produced by the group in collaboration with Rob Cavallo". -- Y Reworded
"The lyrics explore The Patient, the dying protagonist of The Black Parade, as he reminisces about his relationship with his mother" reword. -- Y Reworded


### Background and recording
The image caption is odd... It talks about how critics responded to her appearance, which is fine, just it doesn't fit the section. I think this image should either be moved down to "Critical reception" or the caption should be changed. -- Y Moved. The only downside is that it now interferes with the page's layout on the Legacy appearance, but that shouldn't be a problem for the average reader.
"pieced together" be more specific. -- Y I personally prefer the conciseness of the previous wording, but I'm okay adding a bit more detail. I've also added a quote from the text.
"and noted how "you can almost hear the haunted house in the background"" This doesn't add much, I think it should be removed. -- Y Removed
The quote "voice to finally talk back to me" doesn't flow nicely, maybe "voice to [...] talk back" to him would be better? -- Y Fixed the flow, but without the bracketed ellipses per MOS:...


### Composition and lyrics
"spans" → "explores". -- Y I don't think that this is precisely the right word, but I also can't think of a different one other than "spans" or "moves" (which would clash with "movements")


### Release
Add a comma after the first "2006". -- Y I'm pretty sure it was grammatically correct as is, but I've shuffled the sentence around a bit to avoid the problem entirely.


### Critical reception
"released by the band" is repeated, reword for one of them. -- Y Done


### References
I strongly recommend adding archives for the web sources. -- Will add later, since this isn't part of the GA criteria
Spot check
[1] Y
[5] N Says the album was "partially written and recorded" there, not necessarily demoed as this article suggests. -- "Demoed" in this case is supposed to mean "written and recorded", as the song was presumably worked on while at the Paramour and a demo was recorded there. I've removed the source and changed the wording for clarity, in any case.
[10] Y
[13] Y
[17] a. N nothing matches. b. Y Although more from the source could be added. -- The source calls the song a "polka-turned-heavy multi-movement journey", and thus supports the fact that the song contains multiple movements.
[21] a. Y b. N c. Y -- Not sure why that was there for b, I've removed it
[26] Y
[32] Y
[38] Y


### Other
Images: One fair use image, issue adressed above Y
Broad & summary style: Fine Y
Neutral: Balanced Y
No OR/COPYVIO: Y Earwig's copyvio reported 25.9% in similarity
Stable: Y
Ping when you're done!

@FishLoveHam: Thank you for the prompt review! I've gone ahead and fixed up most of what you've mentioned. The only evaluation of your which I disagreed with is for source #17 (now source #16, the Loudwire listicle), as it directly mentions the fact that the song contains multiple movements. I'll also get about archiving the sources on a different day when I have more time. Hopefully everything else looks good to you? Leafy46 (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
@Leafy46: I still don't really agree with the use of ref #16a, but I can see the argument and it's minor enough that I'm willing to overlook it. Great work on this article, you have done a fantastic job!  FishLoveHam (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to review this article. Leafy46 (talk) 16:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)


### Progress
I was recently looking around for sources to rewrite the article for The Black Parade, and I came across this extremely crusty, compressed interview from SDCC 2008. In this interview, Gerard Way and Grant Morrison talk about how they nearly made "Mama" a single, and were planning on filming a music video, going into details about what the music video would have contained. And while the source itself is from a random YouTube channel and the quality is abysmal, I think it being an interview would make this qualify as a primary source, and this seems like a detail that should be in the article. I'd still recommend trying to find higher quality sourcing for this if its out there, though. Just figured I should put my finding here. λ NegativeMP1 07:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1: Thanks for bringing up this source! I think the interview brings up some pretty interesting stuff, but you're correct about its categorization as a primary source. Given that it has not been reputably published elsewhere, I don't think that the information should be added quite yet. This is especially since it possibly counts as an exceptional claim, given I'd classify Way's claim of how important the song was in the album as being "surprising or apparently important", yet it has received little, if any, attention outside of the fandom. I'll keep my eyes open though! Leafy46 (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The band unveiled an updated version of Mama during the first show of the Long Live The Black Parade Tour last night, including an entirely new outro and updated lyrics. Don't really know how to go about integrating this detail into the article, there doesn't seem to be a place to put it at present, but seems like it should be mentioned (even if just a minor point, given the coverage on it isn't that deep). [1] [2] [3] λ NegativeMP1 18:29, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1: Simple enough, just added. Thanks for the notice! Leafy46 (talk) 19:06, 12 July 2025 (UTC)