# Talk:Murder of Cameron Blair

I have removed the name of the person who is alleged to be murderer from this article. The cited source of 5 July 2021 only says that person was being sentenced for causing disorder because he waved a knife around. That source does not name the person who committed the murder. It only says that an unnamed 17-year old teenage boy plead guilty to murder and received a life sentence in April 2020 and that the boy was not named because he was a minor at the time of the murder and when he was sentenced. The sources also indicate several other gatecrashers were present, too. To allege that the boy and the named person are one and the same person is improper synthesis and is not verified by the source material. Also, the Irish law about not naming juveniles or minors or those who are under the age of 18 when they commit such a crime and are sentenced for murder probably means the Court and the law has given the juvenile offender name suppression too, so that person cannot now be named, and probably never can be named as the murderer. Even though a person has now been named for other crimes committed during the same incident, it is probably a contempt of Court to indicate the sentenced murderer can now be named, just because a person who committed other crimes around the same time has been named. The sources do not say they are the same person. Also, WP:BLP applies to this article in respect of both the teenage boy and the person being sentenced for disorder. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

My mistake, I must have misread the article. Thank you. Xx78900 (talk) 14:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Murder of Cameron Blair/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 05:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll look at this tomorrow when I am more awake! — GhostRiver 05:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi there @GhostRiver:, thanks for looking at this for me! Having looked at your profile, it almost seems fated for you to review my first proposed GA, as I also have a Bachelor's degree in English, am pursuing secondary education at present, and hope to do a PhD in the future. Also - English and Neuroscience?! How did you manage that! Xx78900 (talk) 15:24, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
What a wild coincidence! And the answer is that I thought I wanted to be a scientist who did English on the side, and by the time I decided that English was my career path, I figured I had enough neuro credits to just finish that major off too. — GhostRiver 20:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


### Infobox and lede
This is a bit counterintuitive: per MOS:FIRST and MOS:BOLDLEAD, there are certain cases where you don't necessarily bold the article title, and murders tend to fall under these. Usually, the article begins with either the victim's name and lifespan (see Murder of Sylvia Likens or Murder of James Bulger), or with a detail of the event, and once again just the victim's name is bolded (Murder of Kitty Genovese)
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
"The perpetrator of the crime was a boy who was seventeen years old at the time of the killing, and whose name cannot be published under Irish law." → "As the perpetrator was a boy who was only seventeen years old at the time of the killing, his name cannot be published under Irish law."
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Comma after "to Cork University Hospital"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Combine second and third paragraphs so each one isn't hanging out on its own
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Per MOS:LEADCITE, information cited in the body doesn't have to be cited in the lede/lead
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
For "Parents" in the infobox, "Noel Blair, Kathy Blair" → "Noel and Kathy Blair"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


### Night of the murder
"40s" → "forties"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Link cannabis
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
"but once outside tensions escalated" → "but tensions escalated outside"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
"Cameron has" → "Blair has" per MOS:SURNAME
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
That all three produced knives is repeated in the first two sentences of the third paragraph
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Use the conversion template on the length of the knives
 Not done Sorry, I'm not sure how to use this template precisely. Also, I wasn't going to convert the length of the seventeen-year-old's knife, as I feel like inches->cm is important for an Irish page, but not vice-versa.
Link Cork University Hospital
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


### Trials
#### Seventeen-year-old
"and was brought before"
 Not done I don't think this is a grammatical error, and actually think that "was arrested and brought before" reads better than "was arrested and was brought before", though I will happily change it if you think it definitely incorrect/necessary.
The sentence about Oberstown should be cited per WP:INTEGRITY
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
"for a remand hearing on 5 March 2020. The three were remanded to the Central Criminal Court." → "for a hearing on 5 March 2020, whereupon they were remanded to the Central Criminal Court."
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


#### Fourteen-year-old
"along with the seventeen-year-old murder suspect and Scott O'Connor" → "along with the two other suspects"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
"given his age (18)," → "given that he was 18 years old"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Sentence ending "committing violent disorder" needs a citation attached per WP:INTEGRITY
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
"the teenager who was fourteen at the time of the killing" → "the youngest suspect"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
No comma after "Upon their return to Ireland"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


#### Scott O'Connor
Seeing that the sentence about Judge Dorgan is in this section, I think it can be axed in the 14yo section and just included here, where it's more relevant
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


### Aftermath
#### Memorial
Doesn't look like "St." in "St Peter's Church" has a period, and the C in Church should be capitalized
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


#### Political response
"both in Cork and across Ireland"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Hyphens to en dashes in the year ranges of this section
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Floating comma after "~10%"
 Done Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


#### Threats to family
The part about the anti-Protestant and "fuck off back to England" stuff feels a little out of left-field; maybe having a paragraph at the top of the article called "Background" that just talks about Cameron and the Blair family would be helpful
 Not done I'm not entirely sure that that's necessary. The attack on Blair is the main focus of the article, and was not sectarian in nature. In the memorial section, it states that the service was led by a woman, and that the Anglican bishop offered the family his condolences, which does establish the Blairs' Protestant faith. The line where Barry tells Blair to "fuck off back to England" isn't really the defining element of the abuse, just an aspect of it. Furthermore, I don't think I've actually seen any information regarding Cameron Blair's personal faith, and this seems more relevant to his parents than to him. That said, if you strongly feel this is necessary, I will change it.Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


### References
Generally good
Recommended (but not required) that you use IABot to archive the references in case of broken links
 Not done I'm not familiar with the bot and the website isn't clear (in my opinion) on how to use the thing, though I might look into trying to get this to work in future.


### General comments
Images are properly licensed and relevant
No stability concerns in the revision history
Earwig score looks good, lines fall under WP:LIMITED
Putting on hold for now – feel free to ping me with questions, and let me know when you're finished! — GhostRiver 21:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @GhostRiver: thanks for this review, I really appreciate it. I've made some changes, and marked where I have further questions. Thanks for your time! Xx78900 (talk) 09:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi Xx78900, apologies for the delay, I am in a depressive phase of my bipolar disorder and it is much easier to do the "less social" elements of Wikipedia (i.e. editing on my own) than to respond to queries. In any case, I have made a few adjustments of my own, mostly small aesthetic changes to the infobox and other template-specific issues, and this is generally ready to go. I do think that a Background section on Blair as a person is important, even if the actual attack is random, just to know more about the victim beyond the gruesome circumstances of his death. I know from the photo that he was part of a rugby club, for instance. Additionally, the one sentence at the bottom of "Threats to family" could use even a sentence more of detail -- it was used by whom to illustrate growing sectarian violence? — GhostRiver 16:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
No problem {{u|GhostRiver}}, I'm sorry to hear that you're struggling. Thanks for the adjustments! I've added some background info, do you think it's sufficient? thanks again.  Xx78900 (talk) 12:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for making those edits! Looks ready to pass! — GhostRiver 17:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)