# Talk:Hongguang Emperor

This review is transcluded from Talk:Zhu Yousong/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Min968 (talk · contribs) 18:19, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 09:17, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct: 

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation: 

Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline: 

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose): 

C. It contains no original research: 

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic: 

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style): 

Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each: 

Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute: 

Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content: 

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 

Image review

File:Chinese coin Hongguang Tongbao (flickr 8719045207).jpg: is the site linked at Commons a reliable source?
Removed.
File:Southern Ming.png: a reliable source is needed at Commons.
Removed.
Borsoka (talk) 09:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Could you add a map?
Done.
Borsoka (talk) 09:09, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Source review

Kennedy (1943): place of publication is missing.
Done.
All details of Shenzon Silu are missing. Why do you think it is a reliable source to verify his day of birth?
@Borsoka: This is an ancient document, and I am using an online version, so details like location or ISBN will not be available. The Shilu is the official and authoritative document of a dynasty, and it is also the most basic original document for subsequent research. Min968 (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
Could you add the link to the online version? As it is only cited once, I do not regard its use a problem. Borsoka (talk) 09:09, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka Done. Min968 (talk) 10:37, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Borsoka (talk) 09:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
Could you quote the texts from the cited sources verifying the following texts from the article? 

Zhu Changxun was the third and favorite son of the Wanli Emperor, who ruled the Ming dynasty from 1572 to 1620.
The Wanli Emperor's (r. 1573-1619) favorite son was Zhu Changxun, born of the emperor's most beloved concubine, Zheng guifei. Wakeman, p. 337
Fixed. Zhu Changxun was the third and favorite son of the Wanli Emperor, who ruled the Ming dynasty from 1572 to 1620.
In 1641, peasant rebels led by Li Zicheng, a former government courier, captured Luoyang. Li's rebels burned Zhu Changxun's palace for three days.
Fixed. In 16411640, peasant rebels led by Li Zicheng, a former government courier, captured Luoyang. Li's rebels burned Zhu Changxun's palace for three days.
Shordy after that, in 1640, Li Zicheng's army entered the city of Luoyang. While the palace burned for three days, Li had the prince butchered, drank his blood, and fed the cooked remains to his troops. Wakeman, p. 338
However, officials described Zhu Yousong as being illiterate, avaricious, and cruel.
The  first consideration of the Nanjing ministers, once they had pledged their oath to combat the rebels, was to unite their forces behind an imperial heir. As far as they knew, the sons of Chongzhen were either dead or in the enemy's hands. In the Huai River valley, however, a number of Ming princes, having abandoned their estates in Shandong and Henan, were seeking refuge with Governor Lu Zhenfei. Besides the Prince of Fu, the Princes of Zhou, Lu, and Chong had all arrived in Huai'an, fleeing the Shun rebels. Of these escaped princes, the most appealing to some influential officials in Nanjing was the Prince of Lu, who was thought to be the most respectable and conscientious of all the contenders. His candidacy especially drew the support of senior officials who were identified in the public's eye with the Donglin party: Vice-Minister of War Lii Daqi, Vice-Minister of Rites Qian Qianyi, Chief Censor Zhang Shenyan, and Hanlin Chancellor Jiang Yueguang. However, the Prince of Lu, who was an imperial nephew, had a weaker claim upon the throne than the Prince of Fu, who was the Wanli Emperor's immediate descendant. Thus, even though the Prince of Fu was said to be illiterate, avaricious, drunken, cruel, meddlesome, lustful, and unfilial, his line of descent was the most direct of any of the princes at hand. A conflict was bound to develop between those who wished to "use merit" and those who wanted to "use propinquity" to determine who would be the next emperor.'^Thus, even though the Prince of Fu was said to be illiterate, avaricious, drunken, cruel, meddlesome, lustful, and unfilial, his line of descent was the most direct of any of the princes at hand. Wakeman, 340-341
A few months after the Hongguang Emperor was captured, Zhu Yujian, Prince of Tang, a ninth-generation descendant of the Ming founder, the Hongwu Emperor, ascended the throne as the Longwu Emperor in Fuzhou, in the southeastern province of Fujian.
He arrived in the outskirts of Foochow on 26 July. Three days later he entered the city and formally received the title of regent. A familiar debate then ensued between those who felt it would be more prudent for the prince to remain a regent and to ascend the throne only after he had regained substantial territories outside Fukien, and others who felt that in such chaotic conditions only the charisma of an emperor could rally the people and organize their support. The latter argument won the day, and regent T'ang became the Lung-wu emperor in Foochow on 18 August 1645. Struve, p. 665
The Prince of Lu, Chu I-hai, moved from Shantung to southeastern Chekiang; and the Prince of T'ang, Chu Yii-chien, whose estate had been in Honan, had been passing through Soochow on his way to Kwangsi when Nanking fell to the Ch'ing.24 (Note 24: According to surviving records of these two princes' own genealogical reckonings, their ancestors were the ninth and twenty-second sons of T'ai-tsu, respectively.) Stuve, p. 664-665
Fixed. A few months after the Hongguang Emperor was captured, Zhu Yujian, Prince of Tang, a ninth-generation descendant of the Ming founder, the Hongwu Emperor, ascended the throne as the Longwu Emperor in Fuzhou, in the southeastern province of Fujian.
The emperor is often portrayed as more interested in indulging in women, wine, and theater than governing, while Ma Shiying is depicted as a greedy and arrogant leader.
A passionate fan of theatre and opera, the Hongguang Emperor was supposed to have utterly neglected affairs of state in order to spend his days and nights attending performances and watching plays like Ruan Dacheng's own drama, The Swallow Letter (Yanzi jian).
Fixed. The emperor is often portrayed as more interested in indulging in women, wine, and theater than governing, while Ma Shiying is depicted as a greedy and arrogant leader.
Borsoka (talk) 03:48, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

@Borsoka Done. Min968 (talk) 06:02, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
Since the source review led to a few small adjustments in the text, could you please compare each sentence in the article with the cited source? Just let me know when you’re done. Borsoka (talk) 11:22, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka Done. Min968 (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
Comments

...was granted the title... By whom?
Done.
A link to "Prince of Dechang"? Was this a courtesy title or its implied the potential to rule a city or province?
There are currently no articles for the Prince of Dechang. In 1617 Chu Yu-sung received the title Prince of Tê-ch'ang 德昌. Kennedy (1943), p. 196
...who formed a movement around the Donglin Academy I am not sure I understand.
Fixed.
Although the Wanli Emperor failed to name Zhu Changxun as the heir, ... I would delete this text and rephrase the sentence.
Fixed.
...did provide for him materially by... I would delete this text and rephrase the sentence.
Fixed.
Shortly introduce Li Zicheng and his rebellion.
Done.
...his son, Zhu Yousong... Delete "his son". Was the wife his mother? If not, do we need to mention her?
Fixed.
I would mention that there were two potential canditates to the throne, Zhu Yousong and  Zhu Changfang before discussing their right to rule.
Done.
Some words about the Donglin movement?
Done.
...sharing many of his father's traits, including being illiterate, avaricious, and cruel We are not informed previously about these features of his father.
Fixed.
I would split section "Emperor" into two: "Ascension" and "Reign", or something similar.
Done.
...the army was no different from the bandits Rephrase for better prose.
Fixed.
...the people of Nanjing were in a mood to declare the Hongguang Emperor illegitimate instead Rephrase to be more formal.
Fixed.
Shortly after, a woman surnamed Tong was imprisoned in Nanjing after claiming... Rephrase to avoid repetition.
Fixed.
Introduce Prince Dodo with one or two words.
@Borsoka: I'm not sure how to introduce Prince Dodo. Min968 (talk) 05:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
Perhaps "the Manchu general"? Borsoka (talk) 05:41, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka Done. Min968 (talk) 05:45, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
When Prince Dodo berated his battle strategy, the Hongguang Emperor was left speechless,... Rephrase: "Prince Dodo berated the emperor's battle strategy of ...., leaving him speechless...", or something similar.
Fixed.
...the former emperor... We are not informed that he was deposed.
Fixed.
...the title of Emperor Sheng'an I guess this is a posthumous title and a link could be added to the term "posthumous title". Does the title mean or indicate anything?
Done. Source not mentioned.
Do his temple and posthumous names indicate or mean anything?
Source not mentioned
I understand only consorts are listed.
Fixed.
Borsoka (talk) 10:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

(Lead): his childhood nickname is not mentioned in the main text; do we need to know his childhood nickname?
(Lead): that he was the first emperor of the Southern Ming dynasty is not mentioned in the main text.
(Lead): ...due to his stronger political support Rephrase. 1. Mention he was not the only candidate. 2. Explain that who supported him to gain the throne. Borsoka (talk) 10:49, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
@Borsoka All done. Min968 (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
Congratulations. This is a GA. Borsoka (talk) 09:56, 15 September 2025 (UTC)