# Talk:Nicola Mitchell

The presentation of character duration must remain consistent across Eastenders character pages.
The reverts to "since 'year'" are incorrect, grammatically inaccurate, visually ugly and not concise or consistent with how character durations are represented across all soap. This is not the first time I've had to make this correction.  GuyFromEE (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

As pointed out—several times, mind you, which have been ignored—per MOS:DATETOPRES/MOS:SINCE it states: Except on pages that are inherently time-sensitive and updated regularly (e.g. the "Current events" portal), terms such as now, today, currently, present, to date, so far, soon, upcoming, ongoing, and recently should usually be avoided in favor of phrases such as during the 2010s, since 2010, and in August 2020. Wording can usually be modified to remove the "now" perspective: not she is the current director but she became director on 1 January 2024; not 2010–present but beginning in 2010 or since 2010. As such, 2024 is the present-tense, plus, the edit also fails to adhere to MOS:NDASH. Manual of style is built to be ever-evolving and followed. There is no consensus at WP:SOAPS that overrides the MOS that stands. livelikemusic (TALK!) 17:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Why are my edits correcting the incorrect "Since 'year'" being reverted? Mine are accurate to the agreed upon presentation of the duration of character years across all British soap characters. 
We're creating inconsistency and repeated attempts to discuss this have been ignored/deleted. GuyFromEE (talk) 17:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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FishLoveHam (talk) 20:37, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

The image that has been in the article should not be changed for the reasoning of being too blurry, as explained in the edit summaries by Livelikemusic here [9] and [10]. If you believe it should be added, feel free to discuss it here before attempting to add it back. ProClasher97 ~ Have A Question?  20:05, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I have protected the article for 24 hours to stop everybody edit warring. I will unprotect if a consensus is reached on the talk page. If anyone carries on edit-warring after the protection expires, they can expect a block. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:10, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
The original image ([11]) was not appropriate following previous discussions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Soap Operas, which deemed screen captures of character is preferred over professional images taken by production/serial, which usually show glamourised images of actors over the actual character. The second upload ([12]) appears to be taken from Radio Times, which would also fail to meet WP:NFCC (as credit, per the article, belongs to BBC/Jack Barnes/Kieron McCarron)—not to mention, the {{Non-free use rationale}} was updated to state both Screenshot taken from the BBC One television series EastEnders. and Personally acquired, taken from an episode of the named programme. which is false, given the previously-linked article via Radio Times. File:Laura Doddington as Nicola Mitchell.png conveys the character (not actor) appropriately, and meets the NFCC guideline criteria. Whether the actor is in her her iconic red coat which We ALL want (who is the "we"?) is irrelevant. Obviously, a screen capture is going to be less sharp than a photograph taken of an actor on a camera meant to show sharpened detail; but there is nothing at WP:NFCC that rules about blurriness. It's about what fits the non-free content criteria and per previous discussions, the screen capture fits. It's also worth mentioning that any chance to the image's article, as of this discussion, would violate WP:STONEWALL. livelikemusic (TALK!) 20:25, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
I uploaded a third file, File:Nicola Mitchell EastEnders.png, a screenshot from 12 March 2025, which should satisfy both parties as it is a non-blurry screenshot depicting the character in her red coat. Hopefully this can sort this out. FishLoveHam (talk) 21:00, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
The red coat is a non-issue; It is—no offense to anyone—a bullshit argument one user made to try and sway the image to their preferred upload away from consensus-met discussions; it was one of many edit summary excuses, including:
Blurry pictures aren’t preferred either dorl
Awful picture. Until a better one is uploaded we will stick with the promotional image thanks., No edit summary
We ALL want Nicola in her iconic red coat, not whatever shitty screenshot you’ve got off iPlayer
Revert blurry picture that's bad quality
Are we not using edit summaries now. Image is far too blurry and new pictures doesn’t fail any criteria. You’d think users of 20 years would know this
I could understand if the red coat were supported in prose as being some kind of visual representation of the character's development and style, like Grace Black's poof hairdo and clothing is for that character. And uploading more images just seems quite unnecessary at this point and a flagrant disregard of the non-free content criteria. livelikemusic (TALK!) 21:07, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
Okay, if we can all agree on FishLoveHam's image, then I can unprotected, then as you were. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:31, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
I agree with FLH's image as a compromise. I do think the constant edit-warring of infobox images is becoming a problem... DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 05:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Yep! I am also satisfied with User:FishLoveHam's image! Shows off Nicola’s iconic red coat and the photo doesn’t look like it was screenshot from a potato! Bravo! Asdah F (talk)
I'd like to confirm livelikemusic's agreement with the image before unprotecting. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:49, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Realistically, I firmly believe File:Laura Doddington as Nicola Mitchell.png is the superior image as it's a clearer and better view of the character (closer up, too). Again, the red coat is not supported as iconic in prose. Not to mention, the user in-question was recently confirmed as a sockpuppet. But, if my "vote" is going to keep the page from being edited and improved upon, I guess I could be willing to concede to File:Nicola Mitchell EastEnders.png being used. But ultimately, the former image is my true vote of choice. livelikemusic (TALK!) 14:14, 23 March 2025 (UTC)