# Talk:David Einhorn (poet)

'Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the opening paragraph unless relevant to the subject's notability.'
I think his ethnicity is certainly 'relevant to his notability' - he was a 'poet, journalist, and essayist' who wrote in Yiddish and for Jewish audiences. This is not like calling, say, Albert Einstein 'a Jewish scientist' or Benjamin Britten 'a gay composer', which the manual of style is presumably intended to prevent. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 18:00, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

The next line describes his childhood in a Jewish family. It's right there up front. The MoS also deprecates the commingling of nationality with ethnicity, so Jewish- * is also generally discouraged. This is a good article nominee, so non-standard styles should get consensus for inclusion before they're inserted, and both the editor working on it and the reviewer will have a say. Acroterion (talk) 00:26, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
Pointing out that he grew up in a Jewish family does not convey the fact that his whole life's work was writing in a Jewish language for Jewish people. We weren't the ones that commingled the Jewish ethnicity with a nationality, history did. It seems clear that for Einhorn, Jewish was his nationality. Right now, the lede doesn't describe him as having any identity at all, which looks quite alien and reminds me of the infamous designation 'rootless cosmopolitan'.--62.73.72.3 (talk) 00:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)