# Talk:Northern line extension to Battersea

Really? Seeing as there's no TWA order, and Wandsworth Council couldn't possibly approve the station in Nine Elms as it's in Lambeth, not Wandsworth, I don't think this is accurate. Marklesparkle (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the "(recently approved)" text as it was misleading. Specifically it is the redevelopment of the power station site that has been approved, and this approval is based on (or contingent on, I'm not clear which) the funding for the construction of the Northern Line extension. Thryduulf (talk) 13:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
This station is mentioned on the page of the US Embassy which intends to move out of Grosvenor Square. Reading that they have three storeys underground there, one would assume that they'd want that at the new site, too. Their underground activities and a new tube line smell like a good fit to me. But this is on only a hunch. The complicated process that a new US embassy has to go through explains delays there and if that's indeed linked, explains the delay with the tube. Maybe another link is missing in the chain of information. 121.209.56.38 (talk) 06:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Does anybody know where on the Battersea Power Station site the proposed station will be built?  Presumably as close to Battersea Park Road as possible? It would seem to make sense to me to site it almost on top of the Battersea Dogs Home - presumably as far west as possible?  But this would make too much sense.  And this is just a guess - no doubt it could easily be sited in a stupid location.  Thanks in advance to anybody who knows.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.37.206 (talk) 15:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC) 

Note to the Northern line extension public inquiry
Proposed fare zone structure
12 December 2013:
www.persona.uk.com/nle/D-Proofs/TFL87.PDF
Explaining the benefit of making Kennington a Zone 1/2 station.
However, on the tfl website, it still says the two new stations will be in Zone 2.
Jsmallwo (talk) 11:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I would be grateful if somebody who has the requisite subscription could verify this edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:03, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
According to this 6 June 2014 Metro newspaper article, both stations are going to be Zone 1 stations - but that assumes the reporter knows what she is talking about:  http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/06/nine-elms-regeneration-is-changing-this-london-riverside-district-for-the-better-4752149/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.149.183 (talk) 23:08, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I assume Kennington will become a Zone 1/2 boundary station if nine elms will be a zone1? I can't find a reference to this anywhere though.
(...and perhaps someone clever can do a new map putting nine elms in zone1.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsmallwo (talk • contribs) 18:05, 18 November 2014‎
Some clues here. So actually maybe Battersea itself will also be Zone 1?
http://questions.london.gov.uk/QuestionSearch/searchclient/questions/question_277016
http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.be/2014_07_01_diamondgeezer_archive.html
Jsmallwo (talk) 21:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Have they said how many trains per hour they plan to run on this spur?  Thanks in advance to anybody who knows.88.105.99.71 (talk) 13:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

@88.105.99.71: it should be the same as on the Charing Cross branch, so roughly 24tph in the peaks, 18tph offpeak. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Just wondering if its only me but I get a 404 when I click on the tunnelling completed link to Evening Standard? - 1.02 editor (talk) 14:26, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Works for me, are you clicking on the link directly or copying and pasting? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 09:46, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Clicking the link directly. -1.02 editor (talk) 10:13, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Given that the line appears to have been in the final stages of testing and the intended opening is more than a year away, can it be assumed that the opening is likely to be on track (assuming the lockdown is eased in the next few months)? Jackiespeel (talk) 14:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Given the current Covid-19 crisis, who knows what will happen. Let's wait and see for some official news when it eventually comes out.Turini2 (talk) 20:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The latest update [1] was shortly before the shutdown. One can deduce some of the factors (how essential the extension is considered to be, how much can be done during the lockdown, and what has to be done during 'open seasons' - which may be of varying lengths).
Just in case the WP-transport group were more up to date. Jackiespeel (talk) 11:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a source for speculation. Unless there is a reliable source with citations that can suggest otherwise, the opening date on the page should remain as is.  Sidesix (talk) 12:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Possibly 'still on schedule despite the Covid-19 crisis' would have sufficed - or, now, 'there were no delays in opening the extension despite the Covid-19 crisis' (given that elections, Olympics and other events were so delayed). Jackiespeel (talk) 09:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

User:Bazza 7 and I have removed a map (link here) that seems to suggest that the extension will continue to Clapham Junction. It does not, as is clear throughout the article. A future extension to Clapham Junction is not currently proposed by TfL or other local bodies. Any suggestion that an extension will be built (such as any theoretical extension of any other Tube line in future) is WP:CRYSTAL. We don't know what will happen in future. Further issues with the map include incorrect line colours (white) and the old label for the now Battersea Power Station station. The RDT map shows the route of the line (and the "reserved course" of a theoretical extension) much better. Do others have thoughts? Turini2 (talk) 20:54, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

The inclusion of Clapham Junction is a major fault as this seems to have been abandoned for the present. Not showing the full name for Battersea is a minor fault and I see nothing wrong with showing the extension in a different colour to indicate that it is not part of the old line. My reason for reverting was that the map does show how the new stations fit into the network, whereas the other map is so confusing that it is useless to readers and should be deleted. How about using the map below, which does at least remove the main fault? Dudley Miles (talk) 08:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Dudley Miles: I deleted the "Northern line extension to Battersea" map when it was recaptioned "This is what the tube map will look like", which is WP:CRYSTAL. The map showing the extension terminating at Clapham Junction is also WP:CRYSTAL, so it should not be used. Your proposed map has several issues: it suggests the line terminates at a station called Battersea, which is wrong (it's Battersea Power Station); the white section should be labelled "extension" or redrawn using the conventional dashed line (as at [2], which would suffice as a WP:RS); the pale blue background (presumably a fare zone indication) is unexplained and should be removed; and the river need labelling. If those issues are remedied, and the map captioned correctly in the article (something like "Northern line extension to Battersea"), then I'm good with it. Alternatively, use Template:Maplink or similar to show a geographically accurate map of the extension. (I'm not very familiar with that, but could be persuaded to be if nobody else wanted to play.) Bazza (talk) 08:53, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
The line in white can be fixed by adding a caption "extension shown in white". The other issues are minor and very few people will notice them. The bottom line is that readers should have a map showing the new line and the one currently in the article is confusing and unhelpful. Of course if you are happy to do a better map that would be very helpful. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:07, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm happy for this to be re-added - if possible the issues mentioned should be fixed, but I don't think the map should be removed because of them! Bellowhead678 (talk) 14:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Currently there is no map showing the new line clearly, so I suggest replacing the current confusing map with the one above, pending replacement by a better map. Bazza 7 are you happy with this? Dudley Miles (talk) 16:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
@Dudley Miles: Yes, I'm fine with that one; the versions with the CJ map ([3]) and non-CJ map with a crystal ball caption ([4] are the ones which are misleading. Bazza (talk) 08:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I suspect this article will be very popular in the next little while in the run up to the opening date on the 20th September. Do we want to have a go at rewriting and reworking this article to have more details? Similar to Bakerloo line extension for example? 
Who, when and why was the extension proposed, some history on the Battersea Power Station redevelopment, consultation history (why doesn't it go to X, what other places were considered?), construction history, architecture design & artworks, planned opening, service levels, cost of extension etc etc. Turini2 (talk) 11:20, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

That is a great idea if you are willing to undertake it. I would keep down the length of 'consultation history (why doesn't it go to X, what other places were considered?)', which will only be of specialist interest and just give a brief summary on Battersea Power Station as it has its own article. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:51, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I had a good first go at this - I'll be back, but feel free to edit further :) Turini2 (talk) 14:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Background into Power Station and northern line extensions (lack of them!)
Development of scheme in 2000s - confirm that it was idea of private developer
History 2010s - initial consultation and further consultations
History public inquiry
History Construction of extension
Route, stations
Architecture and art
Accessibility
Cost of extension and who's paying
Supporters/detractors 
Zones of station
Service levels 
Benefits of extension (journey time etc) 
Extension to Clapham Junction - actual references for it
Better pictures and diagrams  Well, I had a good search of Flickr and geograph, and there's now a diagram. I guess we need to wait until the extension is opened for shots of station/surroundings etc.Turini2 (talk) 12:45, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I think I'm mostly finished with my edits and improvements to this article - any thoughts? Suggestions? Turini2 (talk) 18:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Now that the extension is operational, should it be removed from Category:Proposed extensions to the London Underground? It is not now a proposed extension as it has been built, but I suppose an argument could be made that as the page mentions the mooted future extension to Clapham Junction that part of it still covers a proposed extension. Dunarc (talk) 20:04, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Agreed - made changes to the categories Turini2 (talk) 07:52, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks - I think it works better. Dunarc (talk) 20:39, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

What do people think about nominating this as a good article? Any thoughts? Turini2 (talk) 10:09, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

My only thought is that the lead doesn't adequately summarises the article, in terms of its length (too short for the length of the article); other than that, I think pretty much everything is sourced and so on. (I think, with the lead, MOS:CITELEAD (that the lead should or shouldn't contain citations) is up for discussion). Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 08:13, 7 January 2023 (UTC)