# Talk:Nephrops norvegicus

In the UK 'Norway lobsters' are refered to langoustines, in my experience, they are never refered to as 'Norway lobsters' and most people wouldn't have a clue what one was (other than some unknown type of lobster). I would even go as far to say that lots of people don't even realise that langoustines are a type of lobster but think they're a type of prawn. From my experience I would say that Irish people refer to them as Dublin Bay prawns and that Australian people refer to them as scampi (which is only used in the UK when they are served in breadcrumbs) Who calls them 'norway lobsters'? Will Bradshaw (talk) 15:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Why on earth is this named "Norway Lobster"? Half of all langoustines are caught in the UK and they are know as langoustines here or scampi when deep-fried. Is "Norway Lobster" another americanism? Torqueing (talk) 17:26, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I suggest this page gets moved to 'Langoustine' if nobody comments in support of 'Norway lobster' within the next couple of weeks. Will Bradshaw (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
No, this is definitely not an Americanism (the animal doesn't occur anywhere near the New World). They are very widely known as Norway lobsters in the British Isles, with a slight and understandable preponderance for "Dublin Bay prawn" west of the Irish Sea. Perhaps next time, you might consider notifying the relevant WikiProject of your move request. It came as something of a shock to find that there was an active discussion going on, about an article I have contributed to quite significantly, which hadn't been mentioned on any of the pages I watch. --Stemonitis (talk) 19:12, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I apologise, I had a bit of a look over various procedures about requesting moves but didn't see anything about notifying WikiProjects. I would support a move to N. norvegicus though. Will Bradshaw (talk) 18:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

The bit that suggests nephrop fisheries without by catch of plaice and soul being unviable is nonsense. I've fished for nephrops, and whilst its soul destroying and extremely cold (off the north east coast its winter season trawling) standing at a sorting tray for 10 or more hours, there's good money in it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.116.201 (talk) 11:58, 19 January 2013 (UTC) 

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nephrops norvegicus/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Sasata (talk) 17:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'll be undertaking this review, will have comments up by the weekend. Sasata (talk) 17:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

if the genus is monotypic, why isn't this article named as the genus? If it's because there are several described fossil species, why isn't there a genus page?
N. norvegicus is the only extant species, but there are, apparently, seven exclusively fossil species (De Grave et al., 2009). Nephrops redirects here at the moment mostly as a convenience. I would write an article on the genus as a whole, but I have not been able to find any worthwhile information about the fossil taxa. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
One seems to be Nephrops reedi [2]. See JSTOR 20101873. The JSTOR paper also lists Nephrops costatus, Nephrops maoensis, Nephrops aequus, and Nephrops americanus as being of uncertain generic identity; they could conceivably also be among the seven. Ucucha 19:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. That was enough to get a broad outline at Nephrops. Done. --Stemonitis (talk) 11:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
link synonym authorities
Done, with the exception of the unknown Rowe including Joshua Brooking Rowe. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC) 12:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
"with >40% silt and clay." spell out symbols
Done. --Stemonitis (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
any more info about the symbion?
Done. I've added a little bit of background, about how it relates to N. norvegicus. Any more specific material should probably be at Symbion pandora', rather than here. --Stemonitis (talk) 14:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
typical lifspan?
Done. --Stemonitis (talk) 14:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
explain "berried females"
Done. --Stemonitis (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
"The tail is muscular and is frequently eaten under the name "scampi"." awkward construction (imho)
Changed. --Stemonitis (talk) 14:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
"Nephrops norvegicus is eaten on special occasions in Spain and Portugal" what kind on special occasions? Do they eat it on regular occasions?
Now altered to read "only on special occasions" – the source doesn't give any further details. If a Spanish or Portuguese speaker can provide further details from a reliable local source, I would gladly include it. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
could you link and cite Linnaeus' prologue? Should be available on Google Books (probably Biodiversity Heritage Library too)
Done – linked to the appropriate page through a citation. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
what does in Mari Norvegico mean?
I've added (my own) translation of "in the Norwegian sea". I doubt Linnaeus was using such terminology as we would today, and the fact that Holthuis could restrict it to Kattegat means that it cannot mean the Norwegian Sea. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
mention when Leach circumscribed Nephrops (and a cite/link if available)
Done. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
link variety
Removed the word, since "variety" is not recognised as a rank by the ICZN. --Stemonitis (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
any story about the synonyms Astacus rugosus Rafinesque, 1814 and Nephropsis cornubiensis Bate and Rowe, 1880?
There hasn't been much discussion of them in the literature, no. Rafinesque was, um..., idiosyncratic in his taxonomy, so it's little surprise that he published a junior synonym. You will note that Holthuis proposed to suppress almost all Rafinesque's crustacean names for this reason. Bate & Rowe is a more interesting case, but even less frequently discussed. Their figure looks to me like it might be a juvenile, but I can't find any discussion of the name beside it being a synonym of Nephrops norvegicus. I doubt that what they wrote would even count as valid publication now, because they seem so unsure of themselves ("... the name by which we provisionally intend to recognise..."). I have added a sentence saying that the two synonyms exist, but I don't think they deserve any more than a passing mention. --Stemonitis (talk) 14:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
page #'s (or at least a page # number range) for citations to Phillips, 2006; also for Davidson 2002
The Phillips ref. was an earlier citation of the same work as Bell et al.; I have combined the two. I no longer have access to Davidson (the perils of Google Books): I can try to find a paper copy if it's important, but it might take a while. --Stemonitis (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Chapman & Rice 1971 needs full page range
Done. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
page range for Chapman et al. 1975
Done. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
italics for taxa in title of Funch & Kristensen 1995
None needed. All the taxa are above the genus level, and so take no italics. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
dab incubation
Unlinked. The closest match was avian incubation, which isn't close enough. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
A scan of Pubmed and the ISI Web of Knowledge shows there's a lot of room for expansion, but since this is only GA, the coverage only needs to be broad. I would like to see something about "… the most significant known pathogen of Nephrops (norvegicus) … a dinoflagellate parasite assigned to the genus Hematodinium. This parasite has been responsible for an ongoing epidemic in fished populations of N. norvegicus in Northern Europe since at least the early 1980s" PMID 21215358
I always tend to forget about diseases for some reason, but at least in this instance I can console myself with the fact that that paper hadn't been published when I did most of the writing! I have added a paragraph on parasites and one on epibionts, into which the Symbion material has been subsumed. --Stemonitis (talk) 11:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the changes and additions;  I believe the article meets the GA criteria and will promote it now. Sasata (talk) 15:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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Currently the lede lists "shrimp" as one of the synonyms for Nephrops norvegicus. I'm inviting examples of the word shrimp being used in this way specifically. In the absence of these examples I'll just blank it after a couple of months. Ordinary Person (talk) 04:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I blanked it already. The claim in the body upon which it supposedly rested was unsourced nonsense. oknazevad (talk) 20:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC) PS, it was changed without valid source back in March. oknazevad (talk) 21:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)