# Talk:North Philadelphia station

Discussions about North Philadelphia (SEPTA station) prior to June 10th, 2009

Done, after much struggling. But I still think the old Talk:North Philadelphia (SEPTA station) should've had it's status changed to dab, and not redirected here. ----DanTD (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

This article has been renamed quite a few times in the past few weeks. I don't think the current name it suitable because it's not uniform with the naming of other SEPTA stations. Discuss and come up with a reasonable name. I vote for North Philadelphia (SEPTA station).

That's better as a dab page, where it currently stands and belongs. ----DanTD (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
And evidently some editors didn't take a hint about misusing dab pages as articles. ----------User:DanTD (talk)  02:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Moves at this article seem to have caused some confusion with the talk pages recently. The earliest history suggests the article was originally called North Philadelphia station in 2006. It moved several times over the years, especially once the article now at North Philadelphia station (SEPTA Broad Street Line) was created; a dab page was also created. Following the WP:USSTATION guideline, I moved the article to North Philadelphia station on January 12, 2016. This seemed logical per USSTATION and WP:TWODABS; there are only two articles called "North Philadelphia station" and this one consistently gets the vast majority of the page views. A few weeks ago, Dreams out loud moved the article to North Philadelphia station (Amtrak and SEPTA Regional Rail).[1] Following the lengthy discussion among several editors about SEPTA stations on my talk page here, I returned it to North Philadelphia station. There were no other objections, the page continued to receive 90% of the page views,[2] and it allows us to avoid the unweildy and unintuitive disambiguation. During these various moves the talk pages got mis-sorted; that's largely on me, but I believe they are sorted out now.
My sense is that this is the best arrangement - the majority of readers looking for this station will find it easily, and those looking for North Philadelphia station (SEPTA Broad Street Line) can find it through the hat note is just as few clicks as when there was a two-entry dab page. If others have other suggestions, we can discuss it.--Cúchullain t/c 14:08, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

There's something wrong when you base a name on the number of views it gets on Wikipedia. The name change from the generic "North Philadelphia Station" was based on the types of service associated with it. I supposed you'd name the Broad Street Line station "North Philadelphia station" if that was the one that got the most hits instead, and that's not good either. ---------User:DanTD (talk)  01:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Except that's literally what a major site guideline says. By all three of the tests suggested there, this is the primary topic for the name. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:28, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is a well-established part of the disambiguation guidelines, and has been for many years. This article is primary by all measures. And yes, if evidence showed another article was primary, then a different arrangement would be necessary, but it's not the case here.--Cúchullain t/c 02:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

An anonymous IP address editor reverted an edit which cited a mere two trains a day. This fact is borne out in train schedules of this week, prior to the construction, and September. The editor improperly cites the construction period as unrepresentative. Actually the construction period this summer has no fewer trips than usual. This week (prior to the July 10 changes) shows the same schedule I cited: only two trains a day in each direction. The same is shown from the Amtrak website for September, after the construction. Please do research before making an edit. Plus, if you are going to do destructive edits, please have the courtesy of making an account.Dogru144 (talk) 04:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Minor nit, but the linked schedule shows 5 trains total stopping at the station. 649 and 193 southbound and 110, 170, and 640 northbound. Overturn 91 (talk) 18:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I said in particular directions. Of course, adding the two directions doubles the number. Nonetheless, in contrast to the dozens a day that pass through, and the historic importance of the station as the primary PRR station for trains heading to Harrisburg and beyond, this is a low number.Dogru144 (talk) 20:00, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Train frequency is already discussed in the Layout and service section - there is already a cited statement that the station is served by an average of five daily trains - and any further discussion of train frequency should build on that. Right now, PHN is served by three northbounds and 2 southbounds, as Overturn 91 stated. This will be reduced during the summer as train 110 is cancelled. All indications are that service will go back to normal after the summer, including the resumption of train 110. The reason you only see two northbounds in September is because train 170 is usually not available for online booking (I believe it's the result of some arcane rule), not because it won't operate. The Amtrak ticketing site is not a reliable source for that exact reason - it's a black box that does not always correspond 1:1 with what service is actually offered. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:00, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

As I'm uploading photos and sorting old ones, I've come across a lot of references to different tunnels and am attempting to clarify them:

Baggage tunnel with an elevator to each platform. Elevators removed in 1998 and tunnel blocked off.
Passenger tunnel with two stairs to each platform. Tunnel and west stairs still in use; east stairs blocked off.
Passenger tunnel serving the Chestnut Hill West Branch (and probably crossing under the NEC). A portion is still used to cross under the CHW tracks; the rest is blocked off or gone. Given the location, I suspect this may have been from the pre-1901 station. This 1912 drawing shows it as already extant. Strangely, it's not shown on 1921 or 1951 Sanborn maps.
Baggage tunnel north east of the station building, only going as far as an elevator on the south (eastbound) platform. I have no idea why only that platform needed a second elevator. The elevator was removed in 1998; the tunnel is presumably sealed or filled.
Pedestrian tunnel between the station building and the subway station. ERJ in 1929 reports "A passageway 12 ft. 6 in. wide, built on the subway roof, connects the north mezzanine of the North Philadelphia station with a passageway built by the Pennsylvania Railroad, leading directly to its North Philadelphia station." There is tilework on the walls of the passage to the northwest Glenwood Avenue entrance that points the way to the PRR station. NYCSubway reports that the passage was closed midcentury and probably buried during the 1990s renovation. I can't find anything about where this tunnel connected to the PRR station; it's not shown on the 1951 Sanborn, and I haven't seen any photos of the portion that's no longer open.
Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)