# Talk:French ironclad Turenne

@Parsecboy:Great job writing this article! Just wondering why the title isn't just the name of the ship, Turenne? What's the purpose of including the type of ship in the title too? SnowyRiver28 (talk) 13:12, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Also, you might want to fix up the referencing and citations for this article as part of your GA nomination. I'd suggest reviewing WP:FOOTNOTES and ensuring your in-line citations are linked to the references of the article, instead of linking to a note which in turn links to a reference (how it is currently). SnowyRiver28 (talk) 13:14, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
Hey SnowyRiver - the title is the way it is in accordance with WP:NCSHIPS (specifically WP:NCSHIPS#Naming articles about military ships).
As for the references, I'm not sure what you mean, since the footnotes are linked to the full references. Are you suggesting that I shouldn't use WP:SHORTCITES? Those are definitely valid (and IMO, very much preferable when using multiple pages from the same references - I absolutely detest long cites that use the [1]:pagenumber format. Parsecboy (talk) 13:33, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
Hi, I wasn't aware of that specific guideline on naming ships specifically so thanks for pointing it out! Maybe I misunderstood the "French ironclad" part of the title. Is this just a descriptor of the ship or an actual designation under WP:NCSHIPS?
For the references, I was just a little confused by the citations referencing footnotes which in turn reference 'References' if that makes sense. Can't the in-line citations simply use <ref></ref> and the references section use {{reflist}}, which essentially eleminates the need for the Notes section?
I apologise if I came off as brazen with my initial comment, I'm only relatively new to Wikipedia and there's so many nuances and different ways of doing things I simply am yet to encounter :) SnowyRiver28 (talk) 14:07, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
Yes, the <nationality> <ship type> structure is the preferred format if the navy in question didn't use a ship prefix (the NCSHIPS page says "Some navies or nations don't use standard ship prefixes. Titles for articles about these ships have the form: <nationality> <type> <italicized name>")
Yeah, you're asking to use long cites, not short cites, which is the style I prefer. I don't see any real benefit to using long cites personally. I used to use the ref tags for citations, but those don't link to the full citations like the sfn  templates do, so it makes it a bit harder for readers to identify the specific source (which is especially true in cases like French ironclad Amiral Duperré, where multiple sources from the same authors are used, and even multiple publications in the same year!)
No worries, I saw you were new to Wikipedia. I've been around for going on 20 years, so you could say I've seen a fair bit ;) I'm happy to help with any questions you have. Parsecboy (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up about the ship naming scheme!
I was a little confused by the seemed double-handling of the citations/notes/references thing, but after reading WP:SHORTCITE and your replies it makes sense to me now, thanks for the explanation! SnowyRiver28 (talk) 00:32, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
Happy to help! Parsecboy (talk) 12:11, 16 September 2025 (UTC)