# Talk:From Autumn to Ashes

Stop bloody changing/deleting that entry. Need any more evidence? Read.
http://www.leedsmusicscene.net/article/8572/ 
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=98661 
http://www.alternative2punk.com/2008/06/from-autumn-to-ashes-live-at-looney.html 
http://www.purevolume.com/fromautumntoashes 
http://designermagazine.tripod.com/FromAutumnToAshesINT1.html 
http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=25605 
http://albumfreak.net/content/view/77/1/  
http://artists.letssingit.com/from-autumn-to-ashes-gl21q/biography 
As if Fran's and Brian's own words are not enough. Jesus Christ people. Iceness (talk) 00:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

From Autumn To Ashes is metalcore. That pretty much isn't debateable. They have a couple of non metalcore tracks on their cd, but that's hardly enough to define them as a crossover of metal and emo. Metal/emo is usually called metalcore anyway. I'm changing the genre to metalcore.
unrealshadow13
Wouldn't call them metalcore buddy, they elements of metal, hardcore and 3rd wave emo, but i wouldn't go as far as calling them metalcore, that tag is reserved for bands like Bullet for My Valentine and Atreyu. Jaredpaik 05:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Definitely metalcore. If anyone removes this, we may have to talk to an admin to prevent a genre war. --Wick3dd (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Definitely not, User:Wick3dd. They're a mashing of emo and hardcore, but i don't hear any metal influence whatsoever. Jaredpaik 01:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaredpaik (talk • contribs)  
Of Course, that band plays Metalcore! The riffs, double bass, the vocals etc. The band has nothing in common with Hardcore-Punk or emotional Hardcore-Punk. 
I've changed the genre from "Emo" to Metalcore.
And in the interview, which was used to discribe FATA as emo, the interwiewer also says, that they are "emotional Metalcore".
mc-ralph (German Wikipedia)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.75.68.102 (talk) 17:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC) 

I don't understand where the "emo" genre is coming from. Metalcore, yes, I don't know how you can debate that. Everything except their newest album was metalcore. Emo? No. Unless someone has a reliable source, I'm removing it. -- FatalError (talk | contribs) 00:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
The first three albums were metalcore with the double bass, more throaty vocals and the guitars. The new album it could be argued crosses over into post-hardcore as the vocals sound much more like the post-hardcore of now. 79.74.113.235 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 16:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC) 

You people have no idea what you're talking about.
Metalcore = hardcore metal = metal with hardcore vocals. Aka Killswitch, Shadows Fall and Bullet For My Valentine. NOT From Autumn To Ashes. Anyone of you who says FATA has anything to do with metal - you just have no clue how to play guitar and how it defines the genre. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Emo/Positive_Factors
Read that, and let me know if there's any line that FATA doesn't apply to. 
That, and FATA's official myspace had them classified as Hardcore/Emo/Other until they had changed it to Other/other/other just a few months ago. Iceness (talk) 00:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
some of the early songs are metalcore-ish. The after dinner payback is pretty metalcore-ish. but id say that they lean more towards screamo, especially with the last album.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.175.100 (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC) 

I've notice that the word/name "Autumn" appears a fair amount in some of From Autumn to Ashes's songs, on both Too Bad You're Beautiful and The Fiction We Live.  Is there some sort of significance of this character, especially with the female singer?
It's an ongoing story, there was some talks of a book a while back, though I could be wrong.
Yes, "Autumn" and "Ashes" are both fictional characters that, former frontman, Benjamin Perri and Fran Mark were, at one time, planning to write a book around exploring and explaining the signifigance of the name.
So. Is the story going to continue on between the two with future albums since Perri left?Teamforcefrontman13 (talk) 23:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

what is the deal with the release dates? there is a rather large discrepancy between the years given in the article, and with those listed in the discography. someone want to clarify this? Gordonjay 05:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

What about that song they have on their myspace? I sent them a message asking if it was out yet and they said it would be in their next album, but it's not in Holding a Wofl by the Ears. Anyone know when they are releasing it?

half the article is about ben's departure.  shouldn't there be more info on the band themself, to balance with the amount of info about ben's departure.  and almost everything in the ben's departure section is a blog, shouldn't someone rewrite it? 60.231.89.151 05:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the former members section be put back?  All band pages on wikipedia have a former members section in the info box and in the main article, so why not this band too?

Shouldn't there be something about Ben losing focus and quitting the band? Jaredpaik 05:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there a free image of the whole band?
Not one that has an acceptable license on Flickr at the present moment. I can search for one with all the members and go through trying to get the user to give permission after the review, since the image doesn't really play too large of a role in this case. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Ref 1 needs publisher
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"while Mark had provided " - change "while" to "with", remove "had", "provided" to "providing"
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"the band released Holding a Wolf by the Ears." - needs an "and" before the "the"
I'm not sure it does? There is already the "and" before: and in 2007, the band released Holding a Wolf by the Ears. -00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"had sung clean vocals" - remove "had"
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Go over the first paragraph of the history section. Lots of "however"s that need fixing, etc. Tempted to fail on the prose...
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"sold 50,000 records in the United States[9] and thus" - need some sort of punctuation under the ref
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"during which time Josh Newton (bass) joined[3] as Pilato left along with Gross." - same again
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"It was revealed in 2007, in interviews[11] and" - again
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"In 2002 under the music label Tribunal" - why did they change label?
I can't find an explanation why they released the EP under the label, just that they did. More searching will be done if necessary. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Recommended. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 10:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"like their previous [album], [this one] contains it's share of PSAT words, and overtly maudlin pseudo-poetry, but it's still a big improvement" - I don't see what PSAT has to do with this...(as in, is that the right wlink)?
Basically, saying that it has a share of PSAT words refers to how the PSAT test utilized a lot of a wordy diction; so either saying it's PSAT quality could mean that the album does as well, but more on a teenage level for its a lower test than the SAT. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Aah, OK, makes sense. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 10:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"The song "The After Dinner Payback" also appears on the soundtrack for the horror film Freddy vs. Jason." - change to past tense and add ref
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"The album's stemmed from the idea that"
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"aversion.com reviewer Matt Schild" - websites aren't in italics. Also, can you get a more notable review for the album...?
 Done There is a review from CMJ which I'll add if that's more notable. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"Perri, "never came out to any of the practices and he had no involvement. But that was also the way it was when we wrote Abandon Your Friends"." - who said this?
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Same with the next few quotes
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
"Andrew Lawless of threemonkeysonline.com had wrote that the band was "eerily reminiscent of Iron Maiden"" - Merge into another paragraph
 Done Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Leave a note on my talk page when done. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Passed. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 10:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Much thanks! Will start looking for a better image soon :D -Lindsey8417 (talk) 10:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

They're metalcore. Allmusicguide is notorious for giving inaccurate genre descriptions.--SilverOrion (talk) 08:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

What. The. Fuck. 200.153.163.221 (talk) 01:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
They are not doing any new album, :( I liked their music  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Visio159 (talk • contribs) 16:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 

"Bio" :
{{cite web| title= From Autumn To Ashes To Sea| publisher= strangeglue.com| url= http://strangeglue.com/news/from-autumn-to-ashes-to-sea/2122| accessdate= 2008-06-09}}
{{cite web| title= From Autumn To Ashes| publisher= Vagrant.com| url= http://www.vagrant.com/artist/index/17| accessdate= 2007-12-07}}
DumZiBoT (talk) 13:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Sin, Sorrow, and Sadness came out in 2000, not 2002.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.161.188.11 (talk) 18:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC) 

What is up with this picture... It has been the same one for EVER!WaltDaMan (talk) 17:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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