# Talk:North–South Line (Singapore)

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How many more referneces is needed for this page? I thought these references should be enough.--LAi zhen kang (talk) 06:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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Is it possible for someone to confirm if there is a working name for NS6? Once heard that the station working name is actually Kadut based on newspaper report from the 90s. Would it be possible to get a source? -115.66.196.146 (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I have been working on a new version of the NSL page and I will like some feedback. Every opinion is important and I do not wish to make further big edits without knowing the thoughts of my fellow editors. Thank you.--ZKang123 (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

@ZKang123 and 1.02 editor: just wanted to let you know I'd like to do the GA review for this article but it contains a substantial amount of issues that I believe would result in an immediate failure. I would like to work with the both of you here so that we can resolve them without any time restrictions. To name a few issues:

Too many pictures  Done
Lead is too short; it should (1) summarize everything substantially covered in the article and (2) not include information not covered in the body of the article  Done
Missing information regarding service and ridership -- ideally there should be a Service section in the body and within it a Ridership subsection  Done
Prose on Route should be more detailed, describing the entire route  Done
Station subsection needs prose  Done
There's more, but I figured we'd take it slow. Cheers. --Truflip99 (talk) 17:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Truflip99: Thanks for the response. What I am afraid more of when creating more prose (especially regarding the route) is that there are not much sources to back it up, and may sound more like a guide or original research. I am unsure what can be written about the station subsection, but you can try to suggest what can be written.
About photos, I may try to cut down some of them.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Google Maps more than suffices on routes. Here is an example: MAX Orange Line#Route --Truflip99 (talk) 01:45, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Also another problem is that there isn't really data on the ridership on the NSL itself; usually the data is combined with the East West line. (https://www.sgcarmart.com/news/article.php?AID=18749)--ZKang123 (talk) 01:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@Truflip99: The ridership statistics for the MRT are only given as a whole for the system and is reflected on the Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) page. Also, regarding service, are you referring to the headways of the train? Will try to look for sources to expand the route section but cant guarantee much. 1.02 editor (T/C) 02:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@1.02 editor: Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I do mean headway, as well as operation hours. Adding how long a journey takes between the termini and  won't hurt either. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


### Draft for route prose
As the name implies, the North South line connects central and southern Singapore to the north of the island but also connects the north with the west. The line is 45 kilometres (28 mi) long and is predominantly double track, widened to three tracks for short sections at Woodlands station, Yishun station and Ang Mo Kio station, and four tracks at Jurong East station. 
The North South line begins above ground at Jurong East station, and continues north above a set of elevated viaducts, with the exception of a short tunnel between Bukit Batok and Bukit Gombak stations and a surface section of track between Bukit Gombak and Choa Chu Kang stations.
The line curves from Yew Tee to Kranji stations, from which it continues eastwards and paralles several main roads, such as Woodlands Avenue 3 (which the line briefly cuts underneath between Kranji and Marsiling stations) and Avenue 7. After Semabwang station, the line follows the route of Canberra Link and Yishun Avenue 3, curving southwards. Between Khatib and Yio Chu Kang stations, paralleling Lentor Avenue, the line continues at surface level, with this section being the longest distance between any two MRT stations in Singapore.
The line continues above ground for Yio Chu Kang and Ang Mo Kio stations, then it goes back to surface level and serves the MRT system's only at-grade station Bishan station. After Bishan, the line goes underground through the Central Area. The line runs parallel to the East West line at City Hall and Raffles Place stations, which are also cross-platform interchanges to the EWL. The line then ends at Marina South Pier. 
The NSL branches off to Bishan Depot between Ang Mo Kio and Bishan stations. 
More works on the route. What do yall think?--ZKang123 (talk) 07:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


#### Copy edit
The North South line forms an incomplete loop from Jurong East in the west side of Singapore, north to Sembawang, and south to downtown. It is 45 kilometres (28 mi) long and is predominantly double-tracked, but certain short sections at Woodlands station, Yishun station and Ang Mo Kio station widen to three tracks, and four tracks at Jurong East station. The line begins above ground at Jurong East station from where it continues north on a set of elevated viaducts, with the exception of a short tunnel between the Bukit Batok and Bukit Gombak stations and a surface section of track between the Bukit Gombak and Choa Chu Kang stations. The line curves from the Yew Tee to Kranji stations and continues eastwards, paralleling several main roads including Woodlands Avenue 3 (which the line briefly cuts underneath between Kranji and Marsiling stations) and Avenue 7.
After Semabwang station, the line follows the route of Canberra Link and Yishun Avenue 3, curving southwards. Between the Khatib and Yio Chu Kang stations parallel to Lentor Avenue, the line continues at surface level; this section contains the longest distance between any two MRT stations in Singapore. The line continues above ground for the Yio Chu Kang and Ang Mo Kio stations, then it goes back to surface level for Bishan station, the MRT system's only at-grade station. After Bishan, the line goes underground through the Central Area. It runs parallel to the East West line at the City Hall and Raffles Place stations, which are also cross-platform interchanges to the East West line. The line terminates at Marina South Pier. The NSL branches off to Bishan Depot between Ang Mo Kio and Bishan stations.
Comment: Is there a reason why "North South line" is written out with a lower-case "L"? Even though official signs have it capitalized? --Truflip99 (talk) 16:50, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I think that has been debated before, but I am not completely sure. I think it is best to ask @Seloloving: who proposed to change the name once.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for writing that prose on route. It looks great. I did some copy editing, so you might want to double check it for Singapore English (I use American). I've marked off on the checklist items above. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


### Lead
@Truflip99: I need to know what else is needed for the lead, because I can't find what is still missing. Can you please elaborate on how it can be improved? Besides, I also hope to see what other issues are there to be resolved.--ZKang123 (talk) 03:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@ZKang123: Use Red Line (Sound Transit) as an example. Also, make sure you aren't putting refs in the lead -- that's best for the body. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
@Truflip99: I have embellished the lead with the necessary details. Any other issue are there for the article?--ZKang123 (talk) 04:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
@ZKang123: Truthfully, this article has improved quite a lot. The only other thing I would do right now is to get rid of that long quote that does even have a source to it. Kudos to all the work you two did. I certainly think it's fit for a review. Since I contributed to this unofficial peer edit I'll give it a few days for someone else to grab this. There is currently a GA review marathon and I'm sure it will get picked up in no time. Cheers. --Truflip99 (talk) 04:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Seloloving, ZKang123, TheGreatSG'rean - for your consideration + input. I intend to apply this template to the other line articles in due time. Zoom out on your browser for a side-by-side comparison. 
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Cheers, Tiger7253 (talk) 08:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

I can see what you are trying to do. But Im a bit ambivalent. Because it may contravene WP:NOTGUIDE, and there's like certain limits on what we can input. I will ask others for input, maybe like Epicgenius.--ZKang123 (talk) 08:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
ZKang123 I've tried to limit the glyphs to encyclopaedically relevant information - station's topography (elevated/at-grade/subterranean), interchange type, presence of SCDF shelter, accessibility (also present in London Underground articles), and linked transportation modes. Other glyphs like lifts, bathrooms etc would unambiguously infringe notguide. The glyph that represents bicycle racks is grey area though so I'll leave that one up to the rest of you. Tiger7253 (talk) 09:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Generally, except for paid-transfer, wheelchair accessibility and bus/other transport interchange information, I haven't really seen the other types of info being displayed on rapid-transit station listings. Underground/at-grade/elevated info may be questionable, since the location of the station in relation to the ground is part of the description of the station, but at the same time it could be a bit trivial. Listing whether a transfer is a cross-platform interchange or a separate-platform interchange would almost definitely violate NOTGUIDE; it should be sufficient to say whether a transfer is in a paid area, or whether the transfer requires leaving the system and then reentering. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Epicgenius Thanks for your input. I'll wait for the others to chime in. I'd like to retain the glyphs that denote the stations' roles as civil bomb shelters because I believe a summary of this information on station listings has encyclopaedic value in the context of Wikiproject Singapore. A great number of underground stations (but not all) are effectively purpose-built bunkers moonlighting as train stations with reinforced concrete station boxes buried deeper underground than non-bunker stations, steel blast doors, and other emergency paraphernalia quite conspicious to passengers passing through these stations. This info may be absent in other rapid transit articles but it's a quirk unique to Singapore's transportation system. There is of course the Moscow Metro's bunker system but that is a Soviet-era anachronism, unlike the Singapore MRT's bunker system which is very much an active, highly-publicised scheme with several planned for the newer lines opening decades from now. To the best of my knowledge the level of emphasis that is placed on the dual role of train stations in Singapore is absent in other jurisdictions. Tiger7253 (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I forgot to mention that I'm actually fine with listing whether a station is a CD shelter. ZKang123 told me offwiki that apparently this is pretty common in Singapore, so this is also potentially useful information. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Tiger7253 In my opinion, only the connection information, paid/unpaid transfers and CD shelter glyphs should be retained. The nature of the interchanges (that is, whether it is cross-platform or otherwise), and the presence of bicycle racks violates NOTGUIDE, and the nature of the stations and wheelchair accessibility are relatively trivial. Information regarding future infill stations should also be included with the interchange information (in a "Notes" section) rather than added as separate notes. R22-3877 (talk) 09:09, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
R22-3877 Thanks for your input. I'm willing to make the changes, but I'm curious as to why elucidating on the nature of interchange stations infringes NOTGUIDE when done in station listings but not on individual station pages (see Bayfront, City Hall, Raffles Place). It only seems logical to enforce a blanket ban across all rapid transit articles if it's a true violation, otherwise it's quite arbitrarily enforced. Tiger7253 (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Tiger7253 On the individual station pages, the presence of a cross-platform interchange is (or should be) written as part of a section on the station's design, while on the station listings, the nature of the interchange station is stated independently, in a manner that would be more befitting of a guide on how to use the MRT rather than an encyclopedia. Given that, most of the content regarding the nature of interchange stations in the individual station articles would probably need to be rewritten (they currently just state that the stations are one of a few in the MRT system to have cross-platform interchanges). R22-3877 (talk) 02:06, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
R22-3877 The changes are now live on North South Line and will be replicated across the board pending final consensus from everyone. I took some inspiration from the HK MTR articles and added colour boxes next to interchange lines (see Tseung Kwan O line's station list). Tiger7253 (talk) 13:00, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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