# Talk:Ground billiards

See http://books.google.com/books?id=eJwSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA220#PPA220-IA1,M1 and page 239 therein, which describes this as ground billiards.
http://books.google.com/books?id=YLZGNGVc1B0C&pg=PA355
http://books.google.com/books?id=w5eh07oh84IC&pg=PA125
--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Start googling "billard de terre".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

While copy editing this page I had some questions and observations:

Centrally, it was not always clear to me whether this article wanted to be about a specific game or the broad class of games played with balls and sticks. The lead refers to "ground billiards" as a "family of lawn games" (should that be "lawn and table games"?) or even a "broader classification". Then in the History section it is a "proto-billiards game" with a "recognizable form". The difficulty in pinning down what is being talked about leads, for example, to the article stating both that ground billiards was "ancestral" to trucco and that trucco is a "form" of the game, while a hatnote tells us that ground billiards is not to be confused with trucco. The earlier part of the history section seem to be more about a specific game, while the latter part seems to based on ground billiards as a "broader classification" of games, ultimately leading to speculative Egyptian religious symbolism. It wouldn't surprise me if these issues are because sources themselves differ in what they refer to as "ground billiards", but it is confusing to the reader.
In general, the history section might be easier to follow if it was put in chronological order.
In the first sentence of the history section, it was unclear to me what "in the form described above" refers to. Is that the list of equipment in the lead section? Perhaps this paragraph got moved from its former location.
I hope that these comments are helpful! Cheers, Tdslk (talk) 01:08, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ground billiards/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: No Great Shaker (talk · contribs) 18:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


### Basic GA criteria
Well written: the prose is clear and concise. 
Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct. 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections. 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout. 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch. 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for writing about fiction – not applicable.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation – not applicable.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for use of quotations. 
All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided. 
All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc. 
Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline. 
No original research. 
No copyright violations or plagiarism. 
Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style. 
Neutral. 
Stable. 
Illustrated, if possible. 
Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright. 
Hello, Lee. I'll be doing this review and will use the checklist above to register progress. Hope to provide some feedback soon. No Great Shaker (talk) 18:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi No Great Shaker, thanks for picking this up for me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:20, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
No problem, Lee. I've checked the images which are great pieces of history and they're fine. I'm a bit pressed for time this week but should be back later today. All the best and keep safe. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello again, Lee. First of all, sorry I've been away longer than intended. This is a very interesting article on one of the lesser known sporting history topics. I'd love to pass it straightaway but there are three tags needing attention, though two are only page number requests. There is, however, a citation needed tag after Second-century Ireland has also been proposed as a time and place of origin; the stick-and-ball game hurling (also called camogie, as a women's sport) dates to before 1272 BCE there. You might be able to deal with that very quickly so I'll wait a day before placing the review on hold. Everything else is fine per the checklist so it's just this citation that needs attention. All the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Cheers No Great Shaker. I've reworded and cited the particular sentence. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Glad to pass this now. Well done. No Great Shaker (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)