# Talk:Missy Higgins

I am an Australian and I have a comment to make:
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Upon receiving the award at the podium, she appeared visibly nervous, and stated: "I really wish I was pissed [intoxicated] right now." Despite this misdemeanour, she has been embraced by the Australian public
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I disagree with the text saying: "despite this misdemeanour".
I don't think it correctly reflects Australian culture.
We are easy going, and love a drink, and I doubt _any_ Australian would have taken offence at her comment wishing she was pissed.
(Well, maybe the Salvation Army (the Salvo's) who believe in strict abstinance. But, they do not reflect mainstream
attitudes to drink, thankfully.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.26.206.130 (talk) 14:43, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Maybe the Catholic Church as well ;) anyway i agree — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.232.241 (talk) 21:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I love Missy to pieces but this intro is WAY too long. It needs to be about a quarter that size. If there's any info in there you desperately want saved, speak up or it will probably get the cut. Satchfan 12:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

It didn't need to be cut, just "massaged" a little. And it's dopne now. Is that what you were after? It's just been made into a "career bio" section.
--lincalinca 07:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeh, thanx, that's much better. There are still some one line paragraphs that look a little strange, any thoughts on melding them?Satchfan 13:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The Lead section required further reduction in my mind and I have edited it accordingly. No information has been lost, as it is present in the body of the article.--Soulparadox (talk) 10:29, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Typical bad entry on Wiki:
"Her music has polarised Australians. ... Although Missy Higgins has many admirers; many people such as music critic Daniel Forde, has said her music is bland and underproduced."
How can something supposedly bland have 'polarized' a nation? Who is Daniel Forde and why does his OPINION merit a mention in an encyclopedia? He lists Electric Six as one of his favourite bands - of course he would think Missy Higgins is bland. I thought Wikipedia was about facts rather than opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.120.251 (talk) 20:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Her music is bland, and all of her singles sounds the same. They're written for bogans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.159.224 (talk) 05:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Steer is the title track from her sophomore album, On A Clear Night and will be released on April 4, 2007, and April 28, 2007, respectively.
This sentence is factually incorrect as "Steer" is not the title track. This material is already duplicated in a more appropriate place later in the artcle and it does not make grammatical sense. Unbelievably my corrections of these errors were reversed as being "without good reason". I have no wish to get involved in a battle. If anyone agrees with my comments please take up the cause and make appropriate corrections. Keithmall 11:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I modified the sentence slightly.  Allthough it is best that the full detail is later in the article, I thought it would be useful to at least mention that a 2nd album was about to be released.  Also you are obviously correct about the use of "title track".  -- Chuq 12:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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Fair Use Rational added for both album covers Dan arndt 09:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's one: is that ad currently on Australia television, I think for some sort of washing powder, a Missy Higgins song? Certainly sounds like it. I ran the lyrics though and didn't really get any results. Any ideas? Cheers, Rothery 09:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC).

Never mind. I was talking about the Extra White chewing gum commercial. Sent an e-mail to them and they said it was made specifically for the commercial but may be released commercially because of wide-spread interest. Didn't say who the artist was but. Still think she sounds like MH though... Rothery 01:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 00:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

whoah i heard on the radio today that she admitted to being a lesbian!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.166.129.160 (talk) 12:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC) 

Looks like there is some support for this statement.Eclecticlibrarian (talk) 23:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we now please make her do Abby Winters? Bitwiseb (talk) 09:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
WELL ARE YOU HOMOPHOBIC OR SOMETHING?!
WHO CARES IF SHES A LESBIAN!
OBVIOUSLEY SHES AN INDUVIDUAL AND DOESNT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU HOMOPHOBIC PEOPLE THINK!! SHE DOESNT WANNA BE A CONFORMIST!
SHOW SOME RESPECT AND DONT DISPLAY YOUR DISGUSTING HOMOPHOBIC BEHAVIOUR IN PUBLIC ON THE INTERNET!!!
AMY LEEVY  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.14.98.97 (talk) 08:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC) 
I have to admit to being homophobic to a certain degree, but more importantly I believe in peoples right to their opinion and the freedom to persue happiness. Having said that, I believe people like Missy are the best representatives for groups of flexible sexual orientation and should be applauded for having the courage to express themselves. Two thumbs up to Missy.
James.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.205.241.9 (talk) 08:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC) 
I think most of the stuff in the "Notes" section should be removed. They are not facts. If she has stated something about her sexuality then quote that, but don't quote someone in the media speculating about it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.16.182.28 (talk) 03:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 

Well, thanks for waiting four minutes for a discussion before going ahead and removing it anyway. The notes section is explaining and backing up (making verifiable) the earlier statement that she came out after years of media speculation. We are not reporting the speculation, we are repeating published comments about the speculation itself. There is a big difference. The speculation itself is part of her story. If there had never been any question about her sexuality, then it probably wouldn't even be mentioned in the article. But, for a time, every other interview with her mentioned something about the fact that there was speculation. It was newsworthy (in reliable sources, not just gossip columns) and has been reported here neutrally.
None of the quotes in the notes are saying anything like "hmm, I wonder if she might be gay". They are all along the lines of "there's been plenty of speculation in the media". We're not just repeating gossip, we're trying to tell her story in a neutral way. To leave out any mention of the media speculation, would make any mention of her sexuality irrelevant and erase what is one part of her life, and one part of the media coverage of her. The way you have left the article now, it says that there has been speculation over her sexuality, and no references to back that up. I would appreciate it if you bring up any further concerns here.--BelovedFreak 10:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the LGBT cats again.  She's never stated that she was lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.  Saying she's "not-so-straight" might *imply* one or more of those cats, but per WP:BLP, we can't label her something she hasn't labeled herself. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

she told a lesbian magazine she was definitely not straight - on any reading of the interview. How is that not labeling herself sufficiently? She doesn't have to sign up to  particular "trigger-word". That is crackers. And a clear pattern of behavior is enough for any sane person too. Let's not be so priggish. NIghtjar (talk) 17:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
BTW, it's not "prudish" to require reliable sources.  You might want to read up on Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people, specifically the part about sources.  Jimbo himself says that poorly sourced or contentious material about living people "should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced". Furthermore, being "not straight" doesn't mean LGBT anymore than being "not Irish" makes you Lebanese. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
While I agree that she shouldn't be labelled unless explicitly by herself, that was a ridiculous analogy. But yes... Irrelevant now that she's done so. Bitwiseb (talk) 19:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Apparently shes to be in a new musical film also starring Toni Collette, Delta Goodrem and Natalie Gauci.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.166.109.89 (talk) 06:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC) 

This article appears to be written in American English.
I'm English, so I'm not going to make any changes as I don't know Australian English well enough, but could someone else change it? KillerKat (talk) 16:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I've done this now, as far as I can tell. --BelovedFreak 17:01, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Most differences between 'the Queen's English' and Australian English are in segments of language not relevant to a wikipedia article like this so next time don't hesitate too much.--Senor Freebie (talk) 09:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

If anyone can find a good, reliable source for her date of birth, that would be great. I'm not sure how reliable askmen.com is.--BelovedFreak 17:14, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

This is more than a minor edit, so I'll leave it to someone who knows what they are doing: According to Daily News, & implied in NJ, More Than This was recorded specifically for Covered, A Revolution in Sound. If so, it probably merits a mention in this article, not to mention the discography.
HuwG 203.208.122.235 (talk) 11:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I've included it. --BelovedFreak 18:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Cool. I did try to find a more definitive reference, but couldn't. Even WB's own First Fifty Years site doesn't mention the album! HuwG 203.208.122.235 (talk) 22:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Top Ten singles was changed to highest rated in the intro because it is unclear what is meant by "Top Ten", and by what accrediting body. I noticed a couple of different charts off the links to the songs, but it is still unclear. Niluop (talk) 01:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

"Top ten singles" means singles that charted between #1 and #10 in the singles chart. In the case of these songs, as is mentioned in the article, they charted in the ARIA singles charts.--BelovedFreak 22:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
That's fine. If I understand you right, there are multiple singles charts and they charted in the Australia chart. I'll add this to make it more clear. Niluop (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't think that's made it any clearer. It already goes on to say which charts are being discussed (ARIA). There isn't a chart called the "Australia chart". If you really find it confusing, how about "her Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) Top Ten singles are "Scar", "The Special Two", "Steer" and "Where I Stood"."? It looks a bit wordy to me, but that would be the accurate way of writing it.--BelovedFreak 08:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Or, if you just want it to specify the country (before going on to specify the charts) how about "her Top Ten singles in Australia are "Scar", "The Special Two", "Steer" and "Where I Stood"."?--BelovedFreak 08:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I agree with you that the first is too wordy. Just ARIA or your alternative is better. The only reason it seemed unclear initially is because there are many charts and it wasn't clear in which she was in the Top Ten. It can mean a lot of different things. Niluop (talk) 03:16, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Which is why it's made explicit as you keep reading the paragraph and the rest of the article. :) I still don't agree that this needs to be clarified in that sentence, but I'm not that bothered for the sake of two words. --BelovedFreak 08:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
I've inserted it after "No. 1 alums", although you didn't say that you were confused by that bit, it wouldn't really make sense not to specify that, but to specify that the singles were top ten in Australia. Do you agree that it can now be implied that the singles were top 10 in Australia? I don't think we want to repeat "in Australia" twice in the same sentence do we?--BelovedFreak 09:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Good point. I don't know how I missed the No. 1. I hear what you are getting at with respect to eventually finding out by reading the rest of the article. I'm not sure if the burden should be put on the reader to dig deeper to find out what something means. I think it was actually the capitalization of Top Ten that threw me off because that is a proper noun that indicates something is unique.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niluop (talk • contribs) 03:46, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I saw this the other day and meant to reply then. I'm still not really sure that the country needs clarifying at that stage, (the point is that the albums/singles did well...) but I do see your point about the capitalisation, and I'm not sure it's necessary, so I've changed it to top-ten. Does that look better to you? --BelovedFreak 18:36, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with the compromise. The first sentence in the Lead clearly establishes that Higgins is an Australian artist. Any charting albums/singles would, by default, be in Australia hence it does not need to be repeated in the second sentence. Its redundant to say an Australian artist had No. 1 albums in Australia: where else would you expect her to chart? If she had reached No. 1 elsewhere then that should be mentioned. As Beloved Freak indicated the ARIA Charts are specified later in the Lead's first paragraph.
As for 'Top Ten' vs 'top-ten', the former is a regularly used title for a section of the charts similar to Top 40 rather than top 40. But either seems commonly used.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, only just seen your response (I think my watchlist is too big!). I have absolutely no opinion re 'Top Ten' vs 'top-ten'. As for the country, I agree (as you can see above) that it doesn't need clarifying. Even if it was a chart from a country other than that of the artist's home, I don't think it's a vital point at that point in the lead - the main point is that she had some singles/albums that were successful enough to be in the top 10. I wonder if User:Niluop thinks any different now that the "Top Ten" part has changed? --BelovedFreak 12:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the article reads fine. I don't feel very strongly about a change since the first phrase in the second sentence uses Australia to describe the albums. Although I disagree with shaidar cuebiyar. If an artist originates in one country they may have risen to charts in other countries, and have lesser or higher achievements. Niluop (talk) 02:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Just trying to update her page as there is a lot of old information and broken references (it basically had nothing recent).  
Have only tackled the 'Activism' section at the moment but will work on updating the other information as a lot of it is outdated as well.
Happy for anyone to suggest edits and areas where the tone could be more neutral! Sjanewiki (talk) 01:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)