# Talk:Michael Jackson's This Is It

We need to get this page going, but there's bound to be countless rumours and speculation regarding this film, so please get legit references for additions or else use this discussion page if you're unsure whether to add something or not. Mc8755 (talk) 17:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
The Release Dates are a little different according to the official page... This should be changed!  Fixed Ashley92995 (talk) 02:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I can't seem to get the coding for the official website: http://www.thisisit-movie.com to display in the info box. Can somebody fix this? I've left the coding in anyway to make it easier to c+p the info. Hope someone can help! Mc8755 (talk) 16:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 Done Ashley92995 (talk) 02:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

The trailer has been released: http://www.cygy.com/entertainment/movies/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-official-movie-trailer-released/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.139.182 (talk) 04:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC) 

Yeah it debuted at the end of Sunday's VMA's. Bloody marvelous it was too! But for now, it offers little more for the article. Mc8755 (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 Done Ashley92995 (talk) 02:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

This movie is NOT in 3D, that has been CUT. Everything is in 2D. It may be in 3D on the DVD/Blu-Ray release, but the theatrical one, including the IMAX versions are 100% 2D. Mc8755 (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC) 
 Fixed Ashley92995 (talk) 02:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm just wondering why the reception section was deleted. I added it yesterday and it has been removed?? All it was the current status on Rotten Tomatoes to inform people how well the film has been received by critics. Benatfleshofthestars  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.146.89 (talk) 00:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC) 
To whomever is continually changing the reception please note that the US and Australian Rotten Tomatoes sites are exactly the same, they just simply show their respective nations reviews first. Thus, there is no need to mention 'The US' and 'The Australian' sites. Just state that on Rotten Tomatoes the film...
I will change it back, please leave it be. Also, check out other films reception sections to see that this way is the norm.
Benatfleshofthestars  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.222.42 (talk) 00:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC) 
 Fixed Ashley92995 (talk) 02:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Just to let the editors know as I can't be bothered changing it to the correct form yet again, you don't say 80% out of 100% because the use of % indicates that 100% is the maximum. You just say 80%! Also, by getting 80% it doesn't get a cream of the crop rating, that is a rating given by top critics, so it should read 'the film has a __% from the cream of the crop. The way it is currently written is entirely wrong. Also user reviews don't count as critical reception. Look at the reception of these films to understand how it should be written Capitalism: A Love Story, The Invention of Lying.Benatfleshofthestars
I have just put it back to normal, please leave as is. It is now correct. If you are going to edit it DO NOT add user reviews or change the layout of the Rotten Tomatoes reviews as they are as they should be.Benatfleshofthestars  —Preceding undated comment added 13:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC). 

The problem is that the reception section isn't critical reception thats the root of the problem. Critical reception are reviews - the section - within reception - is a mainly a rating's section from both critics and users to demonstrate and show a comparison. For examples of what Im trying to do, look at Changeling, which is a featured article. Ashley92995 (talk) 18:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, if you want to add user reviews could you at least separate them with a different heading, such as 'critical reception' and 'reception' or 'Viewer Reception'?Benatfleshofthestars  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.140.136 (talk) 01:54, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 Fixed Ashley92995 (talk) 06:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
There's a pretty horribly written section explaining Kirk Honeycutt's review of the film in the Critical Reception section. Many grammatical errors and spelling mistakes, such as "primaril."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slush-omg (talk • contribs) 02:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC) 

 Fixed Ashley92995 (talk) 06:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Since when is IMDb.com user ratings included?   The whole "Ratings" section should be merged in the beginning of Critical reception section -- like all GA and FA articles do, without the IMDb ratings.. I have never seen IMDb included. --Mike Allen talk · contribs 21:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Rating are ratings; which consist of "grades" (F- to A+), and number ratings (1 to 10). Critical reception consists of professional reviews, not ratings in general, because factors like Rotton Tomatoes and MetaCritic (among others) are professionally "rated"; key word rated. The rating recpetion consist of ratings from viewers; professional and/or "users". Ashley92995 (talk) 18:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
What I'm saying is that FA articles do not include ratings like that.  Do you want this article to be a FA one day?  See here.  It's also against policy, see here. --Mike Allen talk · contribs 20:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 FixedAshley92995 (talk) 20:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Didn't meant to come off in a bad way.  The article looks really good, and don't want anything getting in the way of a potential GA or FA. :-) I changed "Ratings" to "Reviews". --Mike Allen talk · contribs 21:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks : ) Ashley92995 (talk) 00:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The file [Michael Jackson June 23, 2009.JPG] that is currently being used on the This Is It article is improperly licienced for this article. The rational for using this photo as it stands now only applies to use on Death of Michael Jackson. Would someone be willing to update the files rational to keep from this image being challanged as copy-right infrigment and being removed. Thanks Calmer Waters 02:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not completely sure about how to change the photos licensing, but I think that you have to "upload a new version of the file" (so that you can change the licensing), I'd do it myself, but I'm worried that I might mess up the photo because I know little-to-nothing about uploading file's on wikipedia. Ashley92995 (talk) 03:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I removed the image until a new rational can be applied to the image. Wikipedia can not have known copyright violations -as is specifically stated on the image file. If this can be remedied, feel free to replace the image back onto the article. Kindly Calmer Waters 03:13, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and updated the rational. Thanks for the help Ashley :) Calmer Waters 03:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Your welcome :).  Ashley92995 (talk) 04:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't "Who is it" be listed too, although it's only the instrumental we hear? Miljan 94.189.183.209 (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the main point of the section is to list music PERFORMED in the movie, not just incidental music. MaJic Talk 2 Me. I'll Listen. 04:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
"Bad" was not performed...I don't know why everyone keeps saying it was. The line "who's bad?" was featured during the rehearsal of "The Drill", which is a dance breakdown that segues into "They Don't Care About Us", but besides that one line, "Bad" was not performed in the movie. The TV spot also said "Bad" was featured but it was not. MJB12 (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, technically, I suppose it counts. If Bad doesnt warrant mention, I suppose "Speechless" doesn't either (since there is no proof of it making the setlist.) MaJic Talk 2 Me. I'll Listen. 20:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

The screenshot pictured in the soundtrack section - where's the link confirming that "Bad" was being performed? MaJic Talk 2 Me. I'll Listen. 04:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I noticed there's a LOT of editing going on in this section regarding what songs were used and in what order, So I will fix it up (for hopefully the final time) by using a pretty reliable source: the end credits. MaJic Talk 2 Me. I'll Listen. 02:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

"Youtube.com" is not considered a reliable source. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 05:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

can anyone actually provide a ref for this? I read when sony admitted using the earth song demo (ref) that they said which songs they used the masters to in the credits. they used the masters for Bad, Smooth Criminal, DSTYGE, Jam, HIStory, Thriller, Earth Song, and Heal the World, but not for Billie Jean. MaJic Talk 2 Me. I'll Listen. 13:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

"PerezHilton.com" is not a reliable source. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 05:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Frankly, these two sections are ridiculous. The release schedule can be summarised in about two sentences, and doesn't need a blow by blow account of when and where it was released. I propose that something like "The film was released around the world for a two week period in October 2009" would be sufficient. 
Furthermore, it doesn't matter how many prints were available, or what relay method was used to broadcast a "premiere". We certainly don't need promotional quotes from the head of marketing at Sony.
Furthermore, the "Cable and broadcast rights" section could also be deleted. Just because information is available, it doesn't mean it's necessary or even relevant in an encyclopedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.22.22 (talk) 00:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC) 

Where are the DVD sales for This is It, the sales for the movie, single, album are shown but not the DVD  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colette89 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC) 

Has anyone noticed the DVD (actually we have the bluray) seems shorter than the theatrical film? The Bogart film, the soldier CGI dancer video, him rehearsing with dancers in dance studios, and the clips shown all over the news from the song "They don't really care about us" after he died were among other clips that seemed to be missing from my memory of what I saw in theatre. Am I making this up? 174.112.72.98 (talk) 05:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

In the Final Setlist The Song Bad was planned between Human Nature and Smooth Criminal.
And Give in to Me,Remember the Time,D/S,Come Together,Workin' Day and Night was to be rehearsal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.39.19 (talk) 15:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC) 

YANA was supposed to be before Billie Jean, Best of Joy would only be in the final concert and Heal the World would only be in the second leg.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.35.144 (talk) 07:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC) 

I went to go see This is It on Halloween (2009) (his favorite holiday.FYI) and I remember through out the movie he kept saying "Bless You, and God bless you," and close to the end they had a group prayer. Does anyone think that should be included? I found it interesting and actually gave me some hope in a sense. Just saying,SUPER SONIC BABY 2 (talk) 16:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Who is Juan Diego and why was the name Jackson replaced with Juan Diego in the plot section? 96.255.191.181 (talk) 04:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. It is fixed by User:Smartie2thaMaxXx. TheSpecialUser TSU 04:30, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts on adding full cast and crew credits?  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477715/fullcredits/ ♫ Cricket02  (talk) 14:00, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I just realized the cast and crew are listed at This Is It (concerts)♫ Cricket02  (talk) 22:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Full cast and crew:

Michael Jackson - Himself
Alex Al - Himself
Alexandra Apjarova - Herself
Nick Bass - Himself
Michael Bearden - Himself
Irina Brecher - Herself
Daniel Celebre - Himself
Mekia Cox - Herself
Miles Faber - Dancer at the audition
Chris Grant - Himself
Misha Gabriel Hamilton - Himself
Judith Hill - Herself
Dorian Holley - Himself
Shannon Holtzapffel - Dancer
Devin Jamieson - Himself
Bashiri Johnson - Himself
Charles Klapow - Himself
Rachael Markarian - Herself
Jonathan Moffett - Himself
Tommy Organ - Himself
Orianthi - Herself
Kenny Ortega - Himself
Brittany Perry-Russell - Herself
Darryl Phinnessee - Himself
Mo Pleasure - Himself
Dres Reid - Himself
Danielle Rueda-Watts - Herself
Ken Stacey - Himself
Tyne Stecklein - Herself
Timor Steffens - Himself
Jaymz Tuaileva - Dancer
Stacy Walker - Herself
Dreya Weber - Herself

•According to Wikipedia, in filmmaking and video production, footage is raw, unedited material as originally filmed by a movie camera or recorded by a (often special) video camera, which typically must be edited to create a motion picture, video clip, television show or similar completed work. 
•https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footage#:~:text=In%20filmmaking%20and%20video%20production,show%20or%20similar%20completed%20work.
•The footage from This Is It is not lost at all. It's more than so never-before-seen.
Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_film#:~:text=The%20phrase%20%22lost%20film%22%20can,no%20longer%20be%20accounted%20for Porterc5 (talk) 06:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
•:One of the film's taglines is "Like You've Never Seen Him Before".

So going by that tagline, according to IMDb,the footage would be considered never-before-seen instead of "lost footage".
• Link: :https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1477715/taglines/?ref_=tt_stry_tg

Porterc5 (talk) 06:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
This article about the Blu Ray release of the film states that it's a "rehearsal footage /documentary film".
https://www.mjjcommunity.com/threads/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-blu-ray-disc-review-hq-pics.85708/ Porterc5 (talk) 06:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
has anyone fixed this Porterc5 (talk) 09:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Political Reasons of things that are false.
The Release Dates must be fixed according to the official page again PoliticalReasons (talk) 19:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@TheWikiholic: Multiple sources claim that Taylor Swift's The Eras Tour outgrossed This Is It, and is the highest-grossing concert film, such as Billboard, Variety, Rolling Stone, and the distributor AMC Theaters. The commonly cited figures are $261.6M for TS:TET, vs. $261.2M for MJTII. Not sure where those numbers originate from, but the $261.2M MJTII figure lines with The Numbers' estimation (their estimation for TS:TET is $261.4). The Wikipedia articles for both films state a $267.xM figure, with MJTII having a higher figure. Which box office estimation should be used for this article? TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 15:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

The article cited Box Office Mojo as a source, which is notable for having the most accurate box office figures. However, in the case of Michael Jackson's "This Is It", the sources you mentioned did not include the box office figures from China, which amounts to $6.8 million. TheWikiholic (talk) 16:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
The "$261,183,588" figure in The Numbers does account for the China box office figure ($6,800,000). I understand that Box Office Mojo is the most used across Wikipedia, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Resources#Box office also allows for The Numbers to be used as a box office source.
Also, does this mean that TS:TET would instead be the second highest-grossing concert film? Its box office figure on Box Office Mojo is $261,656,269, versus $267,983,588 for MJTII on Box Office Mojo. [P.S. It should be rounded to $268M on the article, since it's $267,983,588] TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 16:14, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Michael Jackson's This Is It is not a concert film. Since Jackson passed away before the concert took place, there was no actual concert. I believe this is why Rotten Tomatoes lists it as a documentary film and the Guinness Book of World Records has a separate entry for it. TheWikiholic (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
I see, so I guess it still counts as "highest-grossing concert film", even if This Is It has actually outgrossed it. It's weird that those sources are actually incorrect. Thank you! TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 16:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Reference 15 and 17 (and likely more, I'm going through them now) no longer link to the article. I'm newer to editing so unsure how to check archives/add them if available, so wanted to make a note of this here Bittybit5 (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC)