# Talk:Kirkbride Plan

I'm not familiar enough with the topic to take a strong view, but I suggest that the captioned building be considered for inclusion in the list. See http://www.rbebout.com/queen/libtrin/2pnotat.htm (regarding John Howard, architect)
http://www.omnitecturalforum.com/topres/1001Mays.html (book review, mentioning Kirkbride & Howard)
http://www.omnitecturalforum.com/topres/1001pla.html (book excerpts)
jiHymas@himivest.com 216.191.217.92 18:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It was most definitely not a Kirkbride building, as seen in this picture. -Etoile (talk) 20:28, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
This is horrible information. Disregard this.
Read up on Dixmont State Hospital.
Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride made the kirkbride plan.
Dorthea Dix educated and rallied for proper mental health. Dixmont State Hospital was born.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.18.97 (talk) 07:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC) 

The Jacksonville Developmental Center is still operational but the Kirbride style building has been torn down for some time now[1].--209.7.195.158 (talk) 14:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Marked as demolished - next time be bold and do it yourself! -Etoile (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I question whether the building at Sheppard-Pratt in Maryland can truly be considered a Kirkbride.  As noted at KirkbrideBuildings.com [2], it lacks the "wings" typical of Kirkbride buildings.  There is a forum topic there, though, that claims it is a Kirkbride.  Should we perhaps do more research into a "proper" definition of Kirkbride (that is, whether wings are necessary for it to be a proper Kirkbride) and then decide to remove Sheppard Pratt or leave it? -Etoile (talk) 19:43, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Many of the dates are incorrect if they are supposed to represent the year of completion for each particular Kirkbride building.  A "timeline" format is useless in the notable list if we have the construction start date on some, hospital opening date (in many cases not the same as completion of the Kirkbride building), and the completion date on others.  I've gone through and corrected many of them, but the sources aren't clear on some.  Altairisfar (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Just a thought but there were many earlier buildings based on a very similar design in England and Wales.  The first purpose built Asylum (probably) in the world at Hanwell London in 1832, was not laid out in an echelon consisted of a series of blocks attached to each other and was surrounded by a large formal park. Many others were based on the plan used at Hanwell and these were often built in an echelon shape.  Not sure who came up with the design, found this page whilst actually looking for exactly that. 
Ianmurray5 (talk) 20:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Even since Avalon Bay bought this place and turned it into condo's they ruined the beautiful of the foundation of the Danvers State Hospital campus, while some of the rebuilds were done ok, its the fact what Avalon Bay properties did to this place in 2006, it's awful to
drive up there now and see a beautiful mental crazy hospital turned into condo's, how can people live up there?--Oxforduniversity1 (talk) 04:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

The article doesn't include a reference to what makes a Kirkbride a Kirkbride. Namely, the V-shaped design, where the Administration building is in the center, and the male and female patient wards branch off on either side. Often, the farther from admin, the more violent the tendencies of the patients. Seems like this should included in the description of the Plan. Jacobssteph (talk) 19:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Verderber, p. 26

Should this be Verderber 2010, p. 26
Goeres-Gardner 2013b, p. 244

Should this be Goeres-Gardner 2013, p. 244
– Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:26, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Kirkbride Plan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Tom (LT) (talk · contribs) 06:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I will take up this review. Give me a few days to familiarise myself with the subject and then I will post my review. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


### Assessment
### Discussion
Fantastic and well-written article. Fascinating subject matter to boot. Will verify some references and do a copyright check within the next 1-2 days, but no other issues identified. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay. One issue: "The Northampton State Hospital in Northampton, Massachusetts, was also demolished the following year" was demolished in 2016, not 2017 as implied by the intervening sentence. No other issues identified during reference check. Have a wonderful holiday season, --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:13, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

An automated filter flagged my adding a WordPress-hosted site as a source for the exact demolition year (1963) of the Arkansas State Hospital's original Kirkbride building. Though it was flagged because WordPress is commonly used for blogs, this site is more like a traditional informational website than a blog. Also, as a longtime Little Rock-area resident I can personally vouch for the validity of this source; it is consistent with the source of the previous language in the State Hospital article (which I left in its original place there) that said it was demolished in the 1960's, though not with the incorrect date previously here of 1948–52 (probably from a prior version of the CALS Encyclopedia of Arkansas article which I left here as a reference), and the image on the homepage correctly points out that virtually all of the Kirkbride-era buildings were between Hooper Drive (the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences campus was built in 1956 on the former east side of the campus between Hooper Drive & Elm Street; one small building was where Hooper Drive was rerouted during the 2001–11 expansion of UAMS Medical Center) and Palm Street (the Arkansas Department of Health headquarters was built in 1969 at the former northwest corner of the campus between Palm & Monroe Streets).
I did find one problematic claim on this site: It incorrectly claims the State Hospital left the Kirkbride campus in 1963 (when the original building was torn down) and didn't return until 2008 when the current administration building was built. In fact, the State Hospital never left the Kirkbride campus; new hospital treatment buildings, still in use today, were built just west of the main Kirkbride building (but still within the footprint of other Kirkbride-era buildings) around the same time, as well as a new administration building (called the Faubus Building after then-Gov. Orval Faubus, already nationally infamous for other reasons) on the old Kirkbride building site. The 2008 administration building, at Markham & Palm Streets just west of the 1960's treatment buildings, was a replacement for the Faubus Building which was turned over to UAMS as part of the 2001–11 expansion; UAMS retained the Faubus Building (though no longer called by that name, almost certainly due to its namesake's infamy) and built other buildings across Hooper Drive from the main campus. (Ironically, the 1960's-era campus was once said to be the only new mental hospital facility built in the entire country after the nationwide fall of the Kirkbride Plan.)
The above text is slightly adapted from my comment on the talk page of the Arkansas State Hospital article, which I updated shortly after updating this article. --RBBrittain (talk) 12:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)