# Talk:Dopethrone

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The source clearly calls the album "stoner rock", which is also the prefered form used by the vast majority of sources in the stoner rock article (while merely one reference is used to support "stoner metal" as an alternative name). Why should we go against that? This is a metal album by a metal band, which is made very clear in the article, but it also contains strong influences from non-metal rock music genres. I remember well the surprise I felt the first time I listened to it as to just how much this doom metal classic sounds like the work of some angry psychedelic punk band. Let's not go out of our way to make metal the absolute here and respect instead what the source says.--MASHAUNIX 21:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Personally, if it were me discussing the album among my peers, I would call it stoner metal before I call it stoner rock. That said, nearly all the sources in the article discussing the album directly refer to it as either "doom metal" or "stoner rock". These are both relatively niche genres, and while music fans online and in real life like to decipher sub-sub-genres inbetween, most music journalism/critical writing does not. Per WP:STICKTOSOURCE, I'm listing it by the genre described by sources. As this albums stature seems to grow as time goes on, perhaps more reflective reviews will go more into detail about its place in genre history that feels more current to what we talk about. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:57, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
This is a pretty stupid case as its quite obviously not a rock album (its clearly stoner metal / stoner doom) but the sources call it stoner rock. The problem is that stoner rock and stoner metal are often used as synonyms when they're not. "Stoner metal" even redirects to "stoner rock", which is dumb and I plan on making a separate article for stoner metal soon --FMSky (talk) 03:06, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
I mean, my understanding is that metal albums are rock albums. But I think I know what you mean. While one could create the article itself, it might be best to try to expand the differences between them within the stoner rock article first and see if it can be split there. Regardless, the album still has more sources calling it this than the other so it's a bit of a mute point. Andrzejbanas (talk) 07:45, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't think we need to apply a genre to Electric Wizard in the lead. The article is about the album in question, and the style pertains to that. The last thing I want to is add "oh are they stoner doom? are they just doom? oh it's obviously more doom!" etc. If it's truly obvious, a reader can figure that out on their own. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:30, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Just to follow up on my last edit. I think its best to drop the band's genre in the lead, as its not discussed in the article, while the music on this album in particular is discussed. As for the band being English, I think this is key in this case as it relates to where they recorded the album, touring (first band from the label to tour the states for example) and more. I'm happy to discuss this if we have disagreements, but I believe this regulates the article a bit better. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
Would conventional wisdom not direct us to say "heavy metal" as a neutral descriptor between the two like we do rock? This hasn't been tried, that I can tell. I think it would solve a lot of the arguing. mftp dan  oops  00:33, 1 May 2025 (UTC)