# Talk:Dan Caine

Any thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.55.180.86 (talk) 12:56, 22 June 2025 (UTC) 

The contention that Caine “would be the first chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to have never served as a general or an admiral”, is this meant to say he’d be the first who had not attained the four-star rank of General? If so, it’s vaguely and misleadingly worded, because he has served as a general. His highest rank attained in his service was that of Lieutenant General. Seems like it needs reworded but I wanted to seek clarification first. 99.88.42.46 (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Caine was a general officer, but not the four-star rank "general". elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:05, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
You’re right. They do this on purpose. 2600:6C5E:C7F:E3B4:1BD:AB0D:D48A:8B17 (talk) 15:16, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Maybe you should put “first non four star general”. I’m an army veteran. In the army we don’t call generals by their whole rank. If they have a star at all, they are referred to from everyone as “General”. Maybe change it and be more transparent. 2600:6C5E:C7F:E3B4:1BD:AB0D:D48A:8B17 (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Personal Life needs to be updated to represent factual information.
Dan Caine filed for divorce in AZ from his first wife in March 2002.  Divorce was granted in August 2002.  He then married Erin Colleen Carty in Aug 2003 and fathered his first child, Ella MacKenzie, in Feb 2004. 100luckystar (talk) 11:58, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 13:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
The change is to remove the statement that existed (now since removed) that Dan Caine is married to his first wife without updating the accuracy of the statement (since divorced, remarried and divorced again).  Also, the footnotes should be removed that previously referenced his marriage in the Personal Life section which is removed.
A simple online search will show that his last wife (Erin Colleen Carty) has filed a court case in Dec 2024 against Dan Caine in Texas for post divorce military retirement:  https://trellis.law/case/48123/24-11544-211/erin-caine-v-john-daniel-caine.
OSU (which Erin attended) shows a marriage date in their online publication:  https://osupublicationarchives.osu.edu/?a=d&d=OSUM200401-01.2.38&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------
Think it is interesting that the full personal life profile wasn't being provided and another narrative of an individual married for over 30 years. 100luckystar (talk) 19:10, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
Are you personally connected to the subject? I had figured that he was divorced, but I couldn't find any sources to support that. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:05, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
I have been unable to access the AZ divorce records, however that is where Dan filed for divorce from his first spouse in Mar 2002 and granted in Sep 2002.  One would presume Tucson based on where Dan was stationed at the time.
Can we agree based on this obit that his mother was Catherine Johnston Caine who passed away 28 May 2016 at which time he was a BG?  (https://www.newcomeralbany.com/obituaries/catherine-johnston-caine).  Because he only has a sister (Redacted) it is safe to presume that the other 2 grandaughters mentioned(Redacted) are his.  Reading the obit you will see him listed, however no mention of a spouse (Redacted).
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The OSU link above shows that Erin and Dan married in Aug 2003.
The dots are not hard to connect considering that now an (Redacted) is asking for post divorce military retirement (URL above) from one (Redacted) in TX.
Considering the high profile nature of this Wiki page, either the Personal Life should be as complete as possible or omitted (including references).  I see it was omitted, however the references still remain.  For all we know there was a 3rd wife who gave birth to (Redacted).  From his own blog, it is known there are 2 daughters (https://dancaine.net/about/). 100luckystar (talk) 12:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
That is entirely too much original research and use of primary sources for anything dealing with a BLP. Additionally, posting addresses and names of individuals who may, based on your own internet sluething, related is completely unacceptable. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:53, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

I have removed his DOB per WP:DOB, announcements do not meet widely published by reliable sources and public records fall foul of WP:BLPPRIMARY. The names of non-notable family also do not add any context and fall under WP:BLPNAME. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@EF5:: can you explain your thinking for passing this article on GA Criteria 5 stablity? I think it telling that in the 3 edits after the GA icon you have a 5% expansion of the article followed by an admin page protecting it for edit warring (courtesy ping to ElijahPepe as the nom). Thanks and best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:40, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Sure. The 5% expansion was out of my control (i.e. after the review) and I personally don't think a 5% expansion is enough to fail on stability (do we have a guideline on what constitutes "significant"?). It's my fault for not checking edit warring; no article I've previously reviewed has had edit warring issues, so I forgot to do it (which is my fault, I apologize about that). Feel free to open a GAR if you feel fit. EF5 00:05, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
@EF5 This was an exceedingly fast process and you admittedly did not even attempt to assess one of the criteria. It feels like your reopening the review is more in the spirit of GA than my going to GAR. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:57, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Sure. — EF5 18:04, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
The edit warring shouldn't be occurring anymore, so I don't see how this is an issue. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:07, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
The irrelevant part is the nomination of another person. That person has nothing to do with this article. If it’s about Brown, then adding irrelevant successors in the article is not proper. Drrichardpaul (talk) 11:48, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

The article lists his date of rank of general (4-star) as April 11, 2025, which is the date of his Senate confirmation.  But his AF bio lists the effective date as April 01, 2025.  I'm not sure if the AF bio is a typo, or if his rank is effective as of April 01, 2025, perhaps per some regulation or statute that backdates to beginning of month? Talmage (talk) 17:34, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

How do I reference a Google search for "air force biographies search dan caine "january 01, 2025""? It reveals the AF.mil biographies search page identifies Gen. Caine retired as a 3-star on January 1, 2025. I did check every archive.org snapshot of his bio page, it's not in the page sources. TIA Rob Rosenberger (talk) 04:44, 12 April 2025 (UTC)


### Dan Caine
I've listed this article for peer review because I have concerns over content size and I would like to take this article to featured article.
Thanks, elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:52, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

helloo mind if I just put one picture on Dan Caine article.? If previously is too many and too detail, is it oke if I just put one.? thank you very much and look forward Bettylamerdelaverda (talk) 20:48, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Helloo I just add some article in the "tenure" section following Caine recent visit to NATO Summit for the first time as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff with cited article from Joint Chiefs of Staff page and add just one photos... I hope you don't mind and I hope the edited suited with the wikipedia page... thank you very much  118.136.83.36 (talk) 18:11, 25 May 2025 (UTC)


#### Query
@ElijahPepe: It has been over a month since the last comment on this PR. Is this ready to be closed and nominated at WP:FAC? Z1720 (talk) 00:54, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

I would like feedback on it first. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
@ElijahPepe: I recommend asking for feedback on the talk pages of Wikiprojects connected to this article. Since you are still working towards your first successful FAC, I recommend getting an FA mentor who can give feedback about the process. I also recommend that you review WP:FAC nominations now: this will help you learn the FA criteria and build goodwill amongst FAC reviewers, making it more likely that your article will get reviewed. Z1720 (talk) 02:23, 27 June 2025 (UTC)