# Talk:London Victoria station

For some reason i recall some one asking about platform 8 being in southern of southeastern usage. I got a southeastern train from 8 (its on its own on the southeastern side) on Friday. I also have a feeling this data was relevant; 
Platform 1 - 12 Cars 
Platform 2 - 14 Cars  
Platform 3 - 8 Cars 
Platform 4 - 8 Cars 
Platform 5 - 12 Cars (10 Car Networker) 
Platform 6 - 12 Cars (10 Car Networker) 
Platform 7 - 12 Cars 
Platform 8 - 8 Cars 
Platform 9 - 12 Cars 
Platform 10 - 12 Cars 
Platform 11 - 12 Cars 
Platform 12 - 12 Cars 
Platform 13 - 12 Cars - Gatwick Express 
Platform 14 - 12 Cars - Gatwick Express 
Platform 15 - 12 Cars 
Platform 16 - 12 Cars 
Platform 17 - 12 Cars 
Platform 18 - 12 Cars - Diesel trains 
Platform 19 - 12 Cars - Diesel trains 
Detail from "Network Rail - Rules of the Route 2007"
Pickle 11:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Probably just a couple of short sentences indicating above would be sufficient - e.g., "All the platforms on the Brighton side take trains up to 12 cars in length. On the Chantham side, the max. train lengths vary from 8 to 14. What do you think? A bit iffy 11:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Not sure how to incorporate it really. Platform 2 is very unusually long, IIRC the VSOE uses it for its runs to Folkestone Harbour. Really did it as i had the source open, ands its therefore here, typed up, for when I get around to using it! Pickle 13:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The article states that it was a man, David Corner, that was killed. However, I see to recall it was a woman that died. Can anyone throw some light on this? A bit iffy 11:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to rush so precipitately into a reply when you've only been waiting five and a half years. The source given, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1991.html, looks quite sound and appears to be run by an academic institution. I've looked online a bit and everywhere that the gender is specified, it's a man. Really if we need to shed any more light on this, surely it needs to be your recollection - and the evidence for it - that does the shedding! :) But I am sorry that you got ignored for so long ... with best wishes DBaK (talk) 12:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes, I remember asking this. I'd recalled I'd heard on a radio report at the time that it was a woman, so they must have simply got it wrong. Cheers!--A bit iffy (talk) 12:40, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
You're very welcome. So glad I jumped in hastily on this one! :) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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Reference " It is named after nearby Victoria Street and not Queen Victoria. "
If Victoria Street is named after Queen Victoria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria,_London), surely Victoria Station is also named after Queen Victoria?  Does anyone know where was this "fact" gleaned?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.60.118.38 (talk) 12:58, 12 March 2012 (UTC) 

For the record, no I don't agree with your logic that "A references B which references C" is the same as "A references C"! :) The claim is properly referenced where it is made more fully, further down the page under the subheader "The Victoria Station and Pimlico Railway". I don't have the book so can't check but we usually give properly-cited books the benefit of the doubt. Hope this helps, best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Why don't we give that ref in the lead paragraph, then, you may ask. I had a vague feeling that we don't usually cite in the lead, so I had a quick look here: WP:CITE#When and why to cite sources where it says: "Citations are also often discouraged in the lead section of an article, insofar as it summarizes information for which sources are given later in the article, although such things as quotations and particularly controversial statements should be supported by citations even in the lead." which I guess pretty much covers it. I do hope that this is helpful. Cheers, DBaK (talk) 13:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
The relevant passage in Adrian Gray's work reads as follows: 'Negotiations for the Grosvenor Terminus began in December 1857 although the name Victoria was by then being suggested due to the proposed station's location near to one end of Victoria Street." p.45.
Thank you very much Das48. I think it's very useful to have the text here, and have also added it into the reference. Despite my hamfistedness at reference formatting this does seem to have worked, and I hope that others agree it's OK - or even good! - to have it in there. If it's a slightly contentious or surprising point (see above) then I think it's good to have its reasoning easily accessible. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 10:20, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Do we know when it was first called Victoria Station? Anthony Trollope's 1864 novel Can You Forgive Her has the Palliser party travelling from their house in Park Lane for Folkestone and Paris from "the Pimlico station" - Chapter 68, "From London to Baden".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Peardew (talk • contribs) 07:02, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I should add that I don't think Trollope meant "Pimlico Station": Victoria Station was built in what was then known as "Pimlico".Thomas Peardew (talk) 07:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Trollope were referring to the LB&SCR 'Pimlico' station situated at Battersea Wharf which was the West End terminus of the railway from 1858-1860. See the article under the heading 'Lines to Victoria'Das48 (talk) 14:25, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I believe the context for this talk has changed a fair bit (the current reference is to a national rail webpage rather than a book), but I've made a slight edit to clarify that the street itself was named after the Queen as I felt the previous wording "the station was named after the street (not the queen)" gave the wrong impression that the name bore no relation to the queen at all. Vbnnr (talk) 13:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
@Vbnnr this has been removed by @AvidWriter123 as there wasn't a source to back up the assertion (the Victoria, London article doesn't make the claim either) Turini2 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Exactly, I cannot find any source at all over the internet which suggests the street was named after the queen. AvidWriter123 (talk) 18:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
@Turini2 The existing source on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_names_of_Pimlico_and_Victoria, Gillian Bebbington's London Street Names is accessible on the internet through internet archive and lists on page 332 Victoria Street in Pimlico as one of the streets named after Queen Victoria; and that the street named the station and from there the district - so that's a Queen-station link as well as Queen-street. I think this is strong enough to go in the intro but would be keen on thoughts - won't tweak yet!
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/ramble-london/home/victoria-street-mansion-flats-and-model-dwellings this walk also links the naming of the street with the naming of the reigning monarch, saying it was planned out as King William Street and renamed after Victoria took the throne. Vbnnr (talk) 16:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

With regret, I undid this edit which added an image of a German-language email concerning a Victoria station sign at Hamburg-Harburg station. With the best will in the world I cannot see how it enhances the article; I feel it's inappropriate in a couple of ways, at least, but would be happy to discuss it here. If there's a place for this it might be better at the Harburg article but even there I wouldn't feel that this email image is itself the thing we'd want to display. Sorry, no unkindness intended here. Best wishes to all, DBaK (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

When did the concrete get into the Victoria Line signalling room - and why did sugar act as a retardant? Jackiespeel (talk) 09:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

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Not quite sure how cultural an Ernest Bevin quote would be, but one often runs across his remark, as Foreign Secretary, that his foreign policy was to be able "to take a ticket at Victoria station and go anywhere I damn' well please!". There's a citation here, and although Boris Johnson used to be editor of the source, I understand it is nonetheless not regarded as unreliable. Tim riley talk  15:05, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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Firstly, I think the DLR "future" is bit too much WP:CRYSTAL - plans have been suggested, but not seriously for a number of years. Snip, modify or keep?
Secondly, the photo of the tube station portrays an entrance that no longer exists! Can someone change it to a more appropriate picture? 
Cheers, Turini2 (talk) 21:44, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

If it's reliably sourced, keep it. It passed a GA review, so it can't be that bad. I don't think there are any up-to-date pictures of the tube entrance, and I don't regularly travel via Victoria anymore to be in easy access for a photo. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

In the Victoria line subsection it says "In the 1990s, a new underground passageway underneath the bus station was built, connecting the Victoria line ticket hall with the District and Circle line ticket hall". This cannot be right.
Surely the passageway was built as part of the original Victoria line station in the 1960s? At all events, I used it frequently in the early 1970s so it certainly does not date from the 1990s. -- Alarics (talk) 22:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

The passageway connecting the Victoria line and the Circle/District line ticket halls was certainly built when the Victoria line ticket hall was constructed (see here for a 1966 poster showing the new arrangements below ground), though there was a subway from the Circle/District line ticket hall to the mainline station under the bus station even before then.
Someone has misunderstood the description in the source linked from ref 126. Allington Street no longer exists having been replaced by the new development north of Victoria Street (though it is possible to get a look at it on Google Street view if you click in just the right place here). The passage described connects the eastbound platform of the Circle line with the intermediate concourse of the Victoria line and is an extra link to the one provided between the two when the Victoria line was opened. Extra passageways have been added in the recent alterations, but comparing the 1966 poster layout and a more modern 3D plan suggests that the passageway described in the source is probably the curving one shown here.--DavidCane (talk) 23:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
This change was made by Turini2 (talk · contribs) in this edit a few days ago. I haven't had time to review that to see if there is anything else that is factually incorrect or questionable, as mentioned in this thread. I could just revert, but that's not always the best thing to do if you can't back said revert up (and "don't touch GAs" isn't good enough). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:05, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Ah okay, it will need some editing - I was looking at the various bit of London Underground legislation. I suspect it's then a lower level tunnel, as you note. I'll make a change.  Turini2 (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
It's already been done! Thanks all - it's a shame when there's only 1 reference and nothing to collaborate it, sorry for the error!
Everything else is well referenced, but feel free to review things carefully if you wish. Turini2 (talk) 21:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

The Southeastern section was last revised in December 2021 but now needs an update to bring it line with the May 2022 timetable change.I have looked over the timetables on the Southeastern Web page and have come up with a TPH list. Please can someone kindly take some time out of their leisure to review the timetables and make sure the following is correct? :) 

1 tph to Dover Priory
2 tph to Ramsgate (one is routed via Chatham, the other via Ashford)
1 tph to Gillingham via Chatham
2 tph to Dartford via Bexleyheath
1 tph to Bromley South
1 tph to Orpington (all stations)
It may be incorrect :) But If it is, feel free to edit it. I have decided to post here before I change it in the main page just in case it had any mistakes. (Unsigned comment by User:AvidWriter123, 15:54 UTC, 30 August 2022)

Pinging @Aaroncrudge: who may be able to look over this. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Any Updates regarding this situation? :) I see that you've added a small notation in the article which is helpful in advising the outdated information until we update it accordingly. :) AvidWriter123 (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I would just like to add that I used the hour of 12:00 to gather my information if anyone would like to review the list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AvidWriter123 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC) 

I propose that the whole section about the London Underground station at Victoria to be split into a whole separate article called Victoria tube station. 
The whole section is like a mini-article in a larger article; it has its own fair share of unique sources and its own infobox, not to mention other London terminus stations having two different articles for their mainline station and their tube station. Furthermore, it is considered to be "two" stations in the eyes of NR. In short, a combination of "differentness" between the two, sources and existing content within the article is more than enough to warrant a split article.
Note: The article for Victoria tube station already exists as a redirect to this article. KrystalInfernus (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I support this split. Turini2 (talk) 17:19, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
It might be worth consulting Tim riley who did the good article review with me in 2019. As it is, the article is 32K of prose, or 5482 words. Our guidelines for article sizes state that articles less than 6000 words "Length alone does not justify division or trimming.". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:36, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
I think the split would be less about size, and more about content - the tube station is a distinct entity compared to the National Rail station after all. Stations like Wimbledon or West Ham are clearly one station with National Rail and Underground services. This is not the case at Victoria, in my opinion. Turini2 (talk) 15:44, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
Well, London Waterloo station has a tube station article, as does Charing Cross railway station here and Euston here. So I'd recommend writing the tube station article for Victoria and stick it as a "main article" link here instead of arguing the merits over a split. Edit I've been bold and just done it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
Hurrah! I think that's excellent. Turini2 (talk) 12:40, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
It kind of makes logical sense too, on at least one occasion I have taken a tube to Victoria without wanting to change to a national rail service or bus, and just go somewhere in the local area. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:17, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
Another GA opportunity for @Ritchie333:? XD all the best! VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 15:37, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

"station" is a part of the name of the specific railway station, and is capitalized on all government websites as well. User4926 (talk) 15:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose - What's the name of the station? National Rail has it as "London Victoria station". Please look at Wikipedia:NCCAPS. Turini2 (talk) 16:30, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
Show me another UK railway station article on Wikipedia where the word is capitalised? 10mmsocket (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
I can not. User4926 (talk) 11:30, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

A sentence begins:

A plane crashed into the eastern side of the station on 15 September 1940...

Was the plane British or German? (I note the period coincided with the Battle of Britain and the Blitz).Cloptonson (talk) 19:37, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Dornier DO 17 - it's actually the lead image at Battle of Britain Day 10mmsocket (talk) 20:10, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
Well this sounds like the crash mentioned in the Accidents and Incidents section. Is it?
On 15 September 1940, a German Nazi plane crashed into the station courtyard but there were no deaths. The plane was later displayed at the Imperial war museum.