# Talk:John Tavares

assessment for wiki biography format
photo needed
subsections neeed
article contains info not related to the subject
Flibirigit 15:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the Category:Portuguese Canadians tag has been added to this article a few times, and reverted as unsourced.  I figured I'd do some investigating.  A rather time-consuming google-search yielded the following two hits:
The Canadian National Congress gave an award to John Tavares (lacrosse player) who is the uncle of this John Tavares.
The New York Daily News has an article stating the lacrosse playing John Tavares "is of Portuguese descent".  I did find a lot of blogs, and message board posts referring to the hockey John Tavares as Portuguese, but those sources aren't encyclopedia quality. 
Anyway, that's what I came up with ColtsScore 15:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the article I found. [1] I can't see anything in it. Maybe there is more in the version you have to pay for. I suspect the name is Portuguese descent. But I can't prove anything. Flibirigit 16:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure what happened with the New York Daily News story ... I thought it was an old story, but maybe it was newer and has now been archived.  Anyway, the Canadian National Congress link still works (scroll down to the LUSO-CANADIANS OF DISTINCTION section).  Still, though, that's about Uncle John Tavares.  I'm thinking if any ethnicity aside from "Canadian" was really important, there would be more mention of it somewhere. ColtsScore 12:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
If the kid was jewish and the tag "jewish canadian" was added and unsourced, it would be ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.43.148.227 (talk • contribs) 
Actually, no. That would have to be referenced too. Flibirigit 05:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit to this article's opening where "and both are of Portuguese descent" was added to the sentence about lacrosse JT being this JT's uncle.  I've never been able to find any articles or sources about this JT that refer to him being Portuguese -- the 2 references given for the edit were the same 2 about his uncle that are listed above.  I only originally found them after an extensive web-search through obscure links.  I believe if JT's Portuguese descent was an important part of his identity, it would be cited somewhere, in one of the many articles and profiles written about him.  ColtsScore 23:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Found an article to use for citation for his Portuguese-Canadian background from Hockey's future. Nhl4hamilton (talk) 13:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the new source, but it does not say Tavares speaks Portuguese fluently. Flibirigit (talk) 13:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Not a problem. Thanks. Nhl4hamilton (talk) 08:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Tavares is also Part Polish, hence Polish-Canadian in there. "He will have many opportunities ahead, matching an interesting background. His maternal grandparents immigrated to Ontario from Poland, his paternal grandparents from Portugal - all struggling just to get by, with his father's side of the family growing to love sports."  [2].  Someone deleted my category entrance once.  I had other sources from Canadian news agencies but they have since expired.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.43.133 (talk) 21:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC) 

I am debating whether or not "Top hockey prospects" should have an article section such as "Personal life," adequately referenced of course. In the case of Tavares, it could include his parents Joe and Sarah, and his offseason lacrosse accomplisments. Any thoughts? Flibirigit 09:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think a 'personal life' section for this article would be a great idea.  It's a whole lot easier to have a really interesting article about a player when info gets added over time.  For example, this article talks about how he grew up playing hockey on Sam Gagner's backyard rink.  A lot of news articles mention interesting details that may not be included later on in biographies or profiles.  Those are the things that make wiki-articles more interesting to read, in my opinion.  ColtsScore 04:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Good find. I'm looking for more on his lacrosse background. Flibirigit 05:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You make reference to the Canadian Development Model and the exceptional players status as if the Canadian Hockey League make the decision to allow a player to play in the CHL. From what I understand the Branch in which the player plays makes the decision. That is just my interpretation. I would also like you to take a look at Canadian Development Model. I wrote it but it still needs some extra information as well as improved formatting. 
Thanks,  
69.156.124.45 05:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I have posted this new article to bio=yes for review. Thanks. Flibirigit 15:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Along that vein, part of that paragraph states that the year after Tavares' exceptional player status was granted, nobody else made such an application.  I've removed that part of the paragraph because I thought it was unnecessary.  It's not as if every year, we will update whether or not any applications were made.  Here it is just in case I'm wrong: There were no applications to grant exceptional status to any players for the 2006 OHL Priority Selection draft. David Branch, president of the CHL and commissioner of the OHL stated "Tavares set the bar very high". Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 22:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any reason why this article should be specified as John Tavares (ice hockey) rather than simply John Tavares.  I'd like to see (ice hockey) removed from the name and put a disambig template at the top of the page for John Tavares (lacrosse).  Thoughts? Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 09:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Disagree, the lacrosse playing Tavares is also highly famous in his field, and I see no reason why either individual has a greater claim.  It is fine as is. Resolute 19:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Your point that his uncle is famous in lacrosse is taken.  However, the hockey player garners vastly more Ghits, news articles, and internal links than the lacrosse player.  I've moved the article -- Samir 07:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Current media hype does not mean more notability. Flibirigit (talk) 20:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid you are mistaken.  See below. -- Samir 23:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Resolute, John Tavares the Lacrosse Player is one of the greatest lacrosse players alive (along with Gary Gait), the article names should stay as is.  DMighton (talk) 21:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There's no reason why he should be listed as just John Tavares. Maybe when he surpasses all of Wayne Gretzky's record and becomes the greatest player to ever play his sport, then I might think about considering it but I still wouldn't do it. Hell, he's not even a pro yet. Jc121383 (talk) 21:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
See Jay Cutler (bodybuilder) vs. Jay Cutler (American football). One might have more press coverage because he plays a higher profile sport, however that doesn't increase his importance or notability to the point where all other people of the same name go to his article (in other words I agree with Resolute). --Yankees76 (talk) 21:55, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Keep it as is. If the younger Tavares establishes himself as an elite NHL player, then maybe we can take a second look. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 22:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
At which point do we re-visit this? Uncleben85 (talk) 21:01, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Keep as is, everyone has pretty much mentioned what I would mention. -Djsasso (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm neutral and I know that this doesn't make a difference but; January 2009, John Tavares (lacrosse) viewed 2759 times, John Tavares (ice hockey) viewed 48580 times. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 00:09, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
If it ain't broke, don't fix it... – Nurmsook! talk... 04:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Resolute/Yankees76 on this matter. Heck, they are both in the same family and both notable athletes. The elder is more accomplished but the younger is more notable. Keep them separate, neither deserves the page over the other. Keep it as it is.--Lvivske (talk) 03:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, there's no question that this should be moved.  Many of you are mistaking "notability" as being relevant in this discussion, or which player has accomplished more to date in their field.  However, the key determinant is whether John Tavares, the hockey player, constitutes a primary topic for someone looking for "John Tavares" in the encyclopedia (see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC).  For that to take place, we have to see if people looking for "John Tavares" are looking for the lacrosse player or the hockey player.  As Krm500 notes, in January 2009, the hockey player's article has been viewed 20 times more frequently than the lacrosse player (see [3] vs. [4]).  That is overwhelming and the dab page should be redirected.  I suspect this will become glaringly evident after the draft, and I'm happy to wait until then to continue the discussion -- Samir 23:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are mistaken. See above... Yankees76's posting. Jc121383 (talk) 05:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Per primary topic guideline you cite: "If there is extended discussion about which article truly is the primary topic, that may be a sign that there is in fact no primary topic..." Unless a primary topic is abundantly clear, disambiguation is best.  There may come a time when JT (ice hockey) becomes the primary topic ... but at this time I do not believe it is "glaringly evident."  As far as function, it appears that the dab page is not burdened by unintended links, so Nurmsook's "it ain't broke" seems proper. As a benchmark, I'd say this discussion might be revisited when he wins NHL ROY (or at least begins playing professional hockey). -Mitico (talk) 19:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, what is the standard for changing a player's affiliation? Do you change the page at the beginning of the season? 65.1.233.250 (talk) 04:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

No. The Islanders decide the affiliation now, as he's part of their roster. -- ISLANDERS27 06:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Could we please find a better picture to use in the Infobox? Those Orange Jerseys were worn for one pregame warmup on Halloween for a charity auction. There has to be pictures of him in the classic Islanders Jersey somewhere. Those Orange/Pumpkin jerseys are a joke.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heavytundra (talk • contribs) 02:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC) 

I added the fact that John Tavares finished 1 point behind Jamie Benn of the Dallas Stars in the Art Ross Trophy race after the completion of the 2014-2014 NHL regular season.
Though he did not win the actual award, finishing 2nd is still an accolade I believe should be in his Wikipedia entry.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Twchille (talk • contribs) 

Hi Twichille. Certainly a good addition, thanks! I did some minor clean-up to bring the statement more into our typical style.  Cheers! Resolute 20:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Is it time yet to move this page to "John Tavares"? LordAtlas (talk) 02:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Please change the pictures in his Wiki to reflect that John Tavares is now a Toronto Maple Leaf.   He is no longer a New York Islander and all his current pictures show his old team. Chadw01 (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, and, as such, we only use free content. Until an image of Taveres in his new uniform becomes available, we will continue to use the image that best identifies him. NiciVampireHeart 17:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Changing John Tavares Photo from the current photo John Tavares 2018-03-03 19541.jpg to Captain-Tavares.jpg that has been uploaded already. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Captain-Tavares.jpg Arbszy (talk) 20:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: The image in question has questionable copyright status; Wikipedia policy prohibits the use of non-free content unless it satisfies the non-free content policy; a picture of a person in public doing their day job is very unlikely to pass the policy.  Sceptre (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 Note: I have nominated the photo in question for speedy deletion on Commons as a copyright violation. —KuyaBriBriTalk 21:21, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Change main photo to a recent photo with current team Benbran10 (talk) 00:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. This was your 10th edit, so you are now autoconfirmed. — MRD2014 (talk) 02:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Please change the main image for John Tavares to this image: https://imgur.com/kAU70zb
John Tavares has been with the Toronto Maple Leafs for over 2 years now (and is currently the captain of the team), so I feel that the main image should be him in a Toronto Maple Leafs uniform. Pennywise134 (talk) 13:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Your request consists only of a vague request to add, update, modify, or improve an image, or is a request to include an image that is hosted on an external site. If you want an image changed, you must identify a specific image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Please note that any image used on any Wikipedia article must comply with the Wikipedia image use policy, particularly where copyright is concerned. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Change:

To:

Reason: The website changed its URL structure and added HTTPS connection. Rusted88 (talk) 14:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Volteer1 (talk) 02:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

He was severely injured and rolled out of Candians-Leafs. Sorry to rush, though. --2603:9000:A703:1EFD:3D42:7173:FFED:B6FA (talk) 00:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

On May, 20 2021, John Tavares was taken off the ice via a stretcher, after an accidental collision with Montreal Canadiens player Corey Perry. HockeyPlaya814 (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

 Already done — IVORK Talk 03:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)