# Talk:Jex Blackmore

These links were taken from the page Wikipedia:Requested articles/Biography/By profession: Satanic Activist and Artist, Former Director-The Satanic Temple of Detroit [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9][10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17]  ProfGray (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Blackmore's website (https://www.jexblackmore.com/about) currently indicates the use of they/them pronouns, and these are used in the opening bio. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity
Sometimes self-published content is not a suitable reliable source. However, in their situation, especially with so much documentation of performance rituals and artistic work -- for those already covered by secondary sources -- their website provides a valuable archive of supplemental information. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Using_the_subject_as_a_self-published_source
Comments welcome. ProfGray (talk) 12:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I mean, this is a pretty bog standard use of WP:ABOUTSELF, no issue here. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Let's keep the footnote that documents the use of they/them pronouns by Jex Blackmore because (1) we've already seen vandalism to delete the usage of such pronouns, and (2) such documentation is welcome in Wikipedia, as recommended during the DYK process by User:Launchballer (see discussion above). Thanks! ProfGray (talk) 11:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm fine with that—maybe one day we won't need a footnote explaining basic pronouns, but for now I understand the inclusion. I don't think we need the added detail about when their website was updated, though; it feels a bit like original research without a secondary source reporting on it. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 11:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi. I documented the starting usage of the pronouns based on the DYK discussion above. I don't think such documentation is what is restricted by Wikipedia:No original research. Rather than edit war about it,  I'll  put the information here for those editors who consider it appropriate. Their website changed pronouns between September2, 2021and March 16, 2022. ProfGray (talk) 11:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
I also don't think this is original research. I do however note that they were using said pronouns by the time of the performance and that was in January 2022, so it might be worth amending the Abortion rights section to add something like "by which time they were using they/them pronouns" or somesuch.--Launchballer 11:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary to state when they started publicly using they/them pronouns unless sources do the same. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 11:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep the footnote per WP:ABOUTSELF but if there was a change in pronoun use, maybe note in the "Early life" section the original pronouns they used. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)