# Talk:Meteorological history of Hurricane Sandy

Ok, let's get this straight. Meteorological History pages are made to give a synopsis of the meteorological history of a storm, and these articles should include content about the formation, impacts, landfalls, and dissipation of tropical cyclones; going step by step through the lifecycle of the storm. This format is used in the vast majority of meteorological history pages to ensure the quality and professional feel of the articles, for example, the featured article Meteorological history of Hurricane Katrina. Now I realize that there was a big debate on whether Global Warming should be discussed in the Sandy article, and I realize that it was decided by a consensus in the article's talk page that global warming should be included in the Meteorological History section of Hurricane Sandy. However, since this is a page devoted to the meteorological history, the sections and subsections relating to predictions, records, and climate speculations should be moved to either the main Hurricane Sandy article, or to another article or article(s). This is not a personal or ideological preference, this is a recommendation that this page should conform to the widely accepted format found in the many other Meteorological History articles, and to make the best effort possible to keep this article as clean and professionally written as possible. Lemphilipps 00:58, 08 February, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree.  Records have been in at least one other article (Meteorological history of Hurricane Ivan.  Reanalysis and statistics was in another (Meteorological history of Hurricane Andrew), which implies that meteorological predictions isn't that out of the ordinary to include, if reanalysis was included.  Global warming should be in here because it's part of the meteorology behind it.  The reason that isn't in any other article is there aren't many reliable sources discussing global warming's ties with other cyclones. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The section on global warming doesn't give a chronological description of the events that unfolded pertaining to the formation, life, and dissipation of the storm; and it doesn't really have any mention of what unfolded during the storm; thus it defeats the purpose of this being a Meteorological History article. Global warming relation and statistics should go into an article or section of the main Sandy article that deals with storm statistics and analysis. I realize that you want to make the connection between the meteorological aspects of Sandy and global warming, but bear in mind it is a theory that is highly disputed and risks harming the neutrality of the article. Lemphilipps 04:18, 08 February, 2013 (UTC)
Who ever said this was a chronological timeline of the events that unfolded?  MH articles don't have to be all in chronological order.  You just keep repeating your conclusion; explain why they don't belong... why do GW and stats belong in the main article, when they deal with the meteorological history of the storm?  As for the neutrality of the article, the use of reliable sources erases the possibility of NPOV, and I think we've done a good job of presenting all sides of the argument. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:11, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

"The meteorological history of Hurricane Sandy, the second-costliest Atlantic hurricane on record, lasted for over a week in late October 2012. " Can you find a better opener here? How does that crap the readers attention. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I think it's fine as is. That's a common opener for MH articles. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
" Classified as the eighteenth named storm, tenth hurricane, and second and final major hurricane of the annual hurricane season," well-written sentence, however, I'd cut either "second" or "final" from here to make it less wordy. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"intensified into a Category 3, with maximum sustained winds of" mention it was on the SSHS. Australians might get confused here. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"An approachingtrough o" space fail :P YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"An approachingtrough over the central United States induced higher wind shear over the system as it emerged in The Bahamas region, causing it to weaken to a tropical storm while turning more northeastward." why is the Bahamas capitalized and not wikilined. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"induced higher wind shear over the system as it emerged in" wikilink to wind shear. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"The southern part of the trough detached across the Southeast, providing favorable baroclinic forcing and lower wind shear late on October 28, allowing for intensification of the cyclone. " Can you please break this up into two sentences. It is kinda long IMO. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"During this change in direction, Sandy began to transition into an extratropical cyclone" how come this is not wililinked? YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"In addition to breaking the record for the largest Atlantic hurricane, " delink Atlantic Ocean as you are not suppose to link very common terms. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Meant to link to Atlantic hurricane. Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
" On October 20, following modest organization, the U.S. National Hurricane Center (NHC) assessed a high potential for it to become a tropical cyclone within 48 hours,[3]" no need for country name; that is explained in the wikilink and a tad irrelevant. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"By 1500 UTC on October 22, the NHC had initiated advisories on Tropical Depression Eighteen, about 320 mi (515 km) south of Kingston, Jamaica. This was based on surface observations and satellite imagery, which indicated the system had developed enough organized convection to be classified.[8] " would it be great if you reversed the order of these sentences? I'd go with something like "By 1500 UTC on October 22,  surface observations and satellite imagery, which indicated the system had developed enough organized convection to be classified as Tropical Depression Eighteen. At the time of the upgrade, the system was situated about 320 mi (515 km) south of Kingston, Jamaica " . YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
", .[14] " why is there a comma and a period? You pulled a YE here. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I'd mention it was never a Cat 3 in real-time. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"By early October 26, a majority of the convection in association with Sandy was located to the north of the center, primarily due to wind shear and dry air to the southwest of the hurricane; by this time, the size of the storm had increased greatly, with tropical storm-force winds extended out some 275 mi (445 km) from the center.[21][22] " kinda long, so cut them in half. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"By the next day, the NHC remarked that Sandy was "showing characteristics of a hybrid cyclone...like a large occluded frontal low."[24]" second time in the last three instances you start with "By". I'd cut eliminate the "By" here, but that is just me. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
" maintained a warm thermal core, and despite strong 50 kt (60 mph) wind shear, continued to develop thunderstorms due to an abundance of divergence from a nearby trough;" use mph and km/h out note kt and mph. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Wind shear's unit is most commonly knots, not mph or km/hr. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
If I were you, I'd mention its secondary peak was a Cat 2 like you do in the lead. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Why a clear just before the dissipation section? YE Pacific Hurricane
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Any intensity predictions in the Predictions center? Didn't it intensify faster than expected? YE Pacific Hurricane
It's stated that it underwent rapid intensification. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"Sandy was the largest tropical cyclone in terms of gale diameter since records began in 1988.[50]" can you merge this one sentence paragraph?  YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"A buoy in New York Harbor reached a record height when it measured a 32.5-foot (9.9 m) wave on October 30, 7.5 feet (2.3 m) taller than a 25-foot (7.6 m) wave registered by Hurricane Irene in 2011.[53]" ditto here, I'd merge it with the 1st paragraph of the records section. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
" Rep. Bobby Rush wrote.[67] " spell out Rebublican here, you don;t hint what Reb. means above. YE Pacific Hurricane
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
" On April 9, 2013 " comma after 13. YE Pacific Hurricane
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
In ref 58, be consistent and make the author "Jeff Masters". YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Otherwise, it's very good. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Something seriously missing from this article is the fine distinction between the hurricane that started in the tropics and the post-tropical cyclone that hit NYC.  The article describes correctly when this transition occurred but continues to call the storm a hurricane after that.  This distinction needs to be made.  This also means that in many places where Sandy is referred to as a hurricane that it should be referred to by the more generic term 'storm'. Tyrerj (talk) 20:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I dont see where we call it a hurricane, after we note it was post tropical bar noting that it had weakened "below hurricane force by the time it reached Pennsylvania" - which i think is more off a reference to the Beaufort Scale rather than to the SSHS.Jason Rees (talk) 21:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

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