# Talk:Juana Belén Gutiérrez de Mendoza

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Hello all I expanded the introduction section to be a little more comprehensive i transferred this from my sand box Beefpatty06 (talk) 13:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Just a heads up that I am planning on overhauling and improving this article for WikiProject Women in Green. My primary goals are to improve sourcing and to expand the article. I will be working in my sandbox, so feel free to check my progress there and message me if you feel there are issues with the sandbox content or if you have ideas for sources. There will probably be a very big edit in the upcoming weeks. If there are issues with that edit once it goes through, let me know and we can discuss it here. Thank you! Spookyaki (talk) 00:28, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Has to be "evening star" rather than "morning star", surely? Viz. estrella vespertina in Valles Salas (and, indeed, the title of that chapter). Moscow Mule (talk) 04:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

That would make sense. To be honest, I took about a one-month break between working on the first and second half of this article, so I’m not really sure what my reasoning was. I will go ahead and change it. Spookyaki (talk) 10:08, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Glad to be of assistance. Further comments:

Any idea when & why her name shifted from María Juana Francisca to Juana Belén? ie, where'd the Belén come from?
Maestro rural: I'm in two minds about whether that should be maestra rural (she's later identified as an inspectora de escuelas rurales). But I'm aware that could be a conscious gender-language decision on your part.
Formulations like "the Ponciano Arriaga Liberal Club" and "Escuela Industrial Femenina Josefa Ortiz de Domínguez": Is there a way of not linking the person the institution is named for in its name, where it's kind of distracting? Maybe a footnote along the lines of "Named for Ponciano Arriaga, secretary of the interior under President Juan Álvarez and a leading figure in the drafting of the 1857 Constitution", etc.?
El Hijo del Ahuizote: lk to Ahuitzotl or Ahuizotl (mythology)?
Sterling work of yours on the article, anyway, and congrats on the GA! Moscow Mule (talk) 16:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much!
I was very curious about that too. I checked the sources again, and it seems like it was mentioned in a footnote. Seems like people aren't sure, but that some speculate that it was based on her many times in Belem Prison. I added this to the article, though I struggled with where to put it. It doesn't really feel like it fits anywhere chronologically. In the end, I ended up putting it in the lead, but if you think there's a better place for it, let me know.
I initially used "maestro rural" and "inspectora de escuelas rurales" because that's what the source used. However, I'm now noticing that while Devereaux Ramírez refers to her as being part of the "maestros rurales", she actually doesn't refer to her directly as a maestro rural, so maestra rural is probably right. Changing now.
I could do that, though it would be a lot of footnotes, which I feel like would potentially be more distracting. I could also add something in the text itself (ex. Between 1898 and 1901, she began to affiliate with various liberal groups. She joined the anti-Díaz Benito Juárez Liberal Club, named for  former president Benito Juárez, in 1898. Between 1900 and 1902, she also joined the Ponciano Arriaga Liberal Club, named for politician Ponciano Arriaga; the Ignacio Zaragoza Liberal Club, named for politician Ignacio Zaragoza; and the Mexican Liberal Party.) What do you think?
Good catch.
Spookyaki (talk) 17:07, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Re #1 & #3: I like footnotes... And "the Ponciano Arriaga Liberal Club, named for politician Ponciano Arriaga" in running text comes across as Capt. Obvious territory; perhaps not much better than what the article's using at present. In recent months, I've seen Template:Family name footnote used to relegate the rather distracting "Spanish naming customs" hatnote to the bottom of the page: maybe the speculation re Belén could be combined with that? But it's your baby; your call. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Tried moving info to footnotes. Let me know that you think, and feel free to make any tweaks you deem necessary. Spookyaki (talk) 20:52, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Works for me; thanks for giving it a shot. And thanks for the invitation to tweak. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)