# Talk:Eliza Stephens

While researching this article, User:SusunW and myself found a few additional leads and resources that may be on the wrong side of WP:OR to include, but I would like to list them here for future reference. —Kusma (talk) 08:45, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Baptismal records:

"England Births and Christenings, 1538–1915: Francis William Stephens". FamilySearch. London, UK: General Register Office for England and Wales. 25 April 1780. FHL Film #993563, reference id "item 5". Retrieved 12 December 2022.(subscription required)
"England Births and Christenings, 1538–1915: Jane Elizabeth Stevens". FamilySearch. London, UK: General Register Office for England and Wales. 5 November 1778. FHL Film #1068897, reference id 2:11RD2Q1. Retrieved 12 December 2022.(subscription required)
"England Births and Christenings, 1538–1915: Marianna Margt Stephens". FamilySearch. London, UK: General Register Office for England and Wales. 22 November 1784. FHL Film #993563, reference id "item 34". Retrieved 12 December 2022.(subscription required)
—Kusma (talk) 08:45, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

While primary records of government agencies are curated and independent, and likely reliable as the clerks are merely reporting events, we also found this web reference, which is not reliable. We were unable to find any reliable source that specifically gave Annette, Anyuta, Anna Zlobin/Smirnovna/Imberg's birth or baptismal dates, although Speransky's letters state she was baptized. SusunW (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
From the Hampshire Records office (search for "Henry Stephens" in the catalogue we have the following information about a Henry Stephens that fits with ours, but there is no proof that they are the same. Records are DC/B3/5/35 and DC/B3/6/2. 

16 Jul 1773
Page 396: Henry Stephens appointed Minor Canon to replace Henry Newman
22 Dec 1777
Page 22: John Woodburn admitted as Minor Canon in place of Henry Stephens who had resigned
We believe that Henry Stephens was from Winchester, and there is an entire Stephens family that looks likely to be ours. —Kusma (talk) 14:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Several sources mention that Henry Stephens' brother George was from Winchester and his sister Mary Ferrand, is shown in French records as being from there as well. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
It would be great to know exactly when Henry Stephens died. In February 1789 he was still alive and testified at a trial between Andrew Robinson Stoney Bowes and Mary Eleanor Bowes. The report says he was about 38, his wife about 30 years old. [1] Henry must have died in 1789 but he is not this guy: [2] because that one is in Britford in Wiltshire: [3] —Kusma (talk) 14:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
The Stephens family in Winchester, Hampshire can be guessed at from here: [4]. From there, it looks like Henry Stephens Sr and Mary of Saint Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England had the following children:
Ann 21 October 1746
Henry 13 November 1747
Joseph 5 July 1749
George 2 July 1750
Jane 2 August 1753
Mary 16 June 1756
Another mystery is that in "Wedlock", Eliza appears to have a home in Devon and an older sister named Mrs Baddiley. [5]. This doesn't go well with anything we know about the Plantas. Perhaps Mrs Baddiley is a sister-in-law?? —Kusma (talk) 15:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Pure speculation: Is Reverend Samuel Runt in Thackeray's The Luck of Barry Lyndon (played by Murray Melvin in Kubrick's Barry Lyndon) modelled on Henry Stephens?? —Kusma (talk) 16:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)