# Talk:Jason McElwain

While I agree this article needs cleaning up, it is a bit harsh to mark this for deletion, rather it might be tagged as a stub. I suspect that Jason will be included in 2006 encyclopedia yearbooks.

You're right; this is definitely not speedy deletion material.  He's received a lot of coverage in the news, and with the possible movie deal(s) any attempts to take the article to WP:AFD or speedy it will probably be unsuccessful.  CSD A7 - the template which was applied to this article - said that the article has to not assert importance (or significance) of its subject in order to qualify for speedy deletion.  This article does a pretty good job at asserting significance and importance, so it's safe from at least speedy deletion.  Since the template was placed by an anonymous editor, it might have been an edit by somebody who, my guess is, either didn't understand CSD well or who was just vandalizing the page.  --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Instead of stating that he "never played in a high school basketball game", I changed that to "varsity basketball game".  According to the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, Feb 24, 2006, "three years ago, when, as a sophomore, Jason dressed for a junior varsity game. He was fouled on a 3-point attempt and wound up sinking all three free throws." [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.252.211.164 (talk) 20:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Changed some grammer to make it flow better. Mcc9 19:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed some NPOV gaffs, some original reaserch and some leading information today.  
1) Saying "he will graduate" implies that graduation is certain, its not.  Not due to his autism, but due to the fact that he's a student and his status for graduation won't be determined until MUCH closer to the end of the school year.
2) Removed "would be an amazing feat even for an NBA player" due to being original research as no such standards exist.
3) Removed "is seen as an inpiration to all, autistic or not" I'm sure there are some out there who weren't particularly inspiring by this story.  Personally, i feel that its a great story, but the inclusion that he's an inspirtation to all violates NPOV and OR. 
If you feel that my edits were biased or inappropriate, please discuss. Batman2005 20:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I added a new category called Feel Good Stories to the bottom of the article. I believe the concept of a feel good story is established enough in western cultures to justify an article. I do not believe this violated wikipedia's NPOV policy in as much as all stories enventually (true life or fictional) end up being categorized. Sysrpl 07:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Feel-Good Stories has been listed for deletion, FYI.  I personally feel it's inherently POV.  The concept itself may deserve an article, but categorizing other articles as feel-good stories just can't be done without inappropriately displaying POV.  Powers 17:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
The POV is inherent but Feel Good Story title is bestowed by media or can be inferred and when doing media favoritism I think it is nice (Sorry for the POV) to have stories catororized in laymens term for usability frankly I know admitting  not wanting it complicated will atract FLAMES.--66.66.116.58 (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)Nate Riley
	

There's been quite a bit of...not vandalism, but material of questionable encyclopedic value that has been posted on here recently.  Most notably that "his name was mentioned in the same sentence as the ESPY Awards" and that "its rumored that john travolta called him."  These are all well and good, but they need sources people!   I read the one about the ESPY Awards and it said that a spokesperson at ESPN said it was possible he could be nominated for an ESPY...this would be encyclopedic if he WAS nominated, not that some spokesperson who has nothing to do with the nomination process says he could be.  As for the Travolta claim, that's really outlandish to post without a source and reads like pure fantasy.  Batman2005 04:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The Travolta rumor needs a source, I agree.  But don't lump that in with the ESPY sentence, which was sourced.  The fact that his name has been mentioned -- by an ESPN spokesperson, no less -- in connection with the ESPYs is fairly relevant.  It doesn't fall under "crystal ballism" because it doesn't say he will be nominated for an ESPY.  It's just a reflection of the high amount of buzz surrounding him right now.  Anyway, I didn't revert your removal because I could really go either way -- but please be careful how you characterize it (your misquote is significantly different from the actual sentence).  Powers 12:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Apologies for the misquote, I didn't take time to re-read the source.  I will disagree with its fairly relevant though.  The ESPN spokesperson has no way of knowing what will be nominated for ESPY awards, nor did she indicate a category or specific award that this person could possibly be nominated for.  As I said, you and I COULD be nominated for ESPY Awards. Granted we probably won't be, but we COULD be.  Is this mere possibility significant enough for entry in an encyclopedic article?  No.  The actual sentence as I remember it was the spokesperson speaking off the cuff to reporters and said basically that its possible that he would be nominated for an ESPY.  Now, if he IS nominated...lets include that, but saying he COULD be nominated is crystal ballism at its finest. Batman2005 17:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
For the record, here's the quotation:
"Jason's story is exactly the type of event we like to celebrate at the ESPYs," said ESPN spokesperson Keri Potts. "I think he's definitely under consideration in several categories, including most inspirational performance and best game. Everybody at the network has been buzzing about what he did. He's definitely on our radar."
Agreed it's not much, but she DID mention two categories, and it's a heckuva lot more than one could say about you or me.  I think that's an unfair comparison."Although he comes from a small town such as Lincoln, CA, he has the potential to be better than Michael Jordan."Kris Corpus is my nigga!" says friend Andre Scott.  Powers 20:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for clearin up that quote, I agree with the point about films garnering buzz about the oscars and then when reality sets in there is no nomination.  Regretablly, I think this story will be much the same.  It'll get shoved aside for some other sensational story in a few weeks and most people will forget about it.  I still don't think at present it warrants inclusion in an encyclopedic article though, as we should be concerned with facts, not speculation about what awards might possibly be given. Batman2005 21:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I haven't a clue as to wiki's editing procedures and such, i would just like to suggest that the link to J-Mac's mySpace be deleted as it seems for one irrelevent not to mention it's something private that the whole world shouldn't have a link to.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.204.106.77 (talk • contribs) .
There's nothing private about mySpace.  The whole point is to be public.  That said, however, I agree it's not relevant to the article.  Powers 12:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
MySpace is quite relevant to this article, it is a biographical article, not an article about an event. His MySpace is essentially an online profile of himself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.67.121.171 (talk • contribs) .
Eh, I'm not convinced, although you do have a point.  I guess to some extent it depends on what's there, but I don't have much interest in looking.  =)  Powers 01:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

'... his mantra, "Stay Focused", which is a horrible mantra for an autistic child' - a very inappropriate, not to mention POV, statement. Removed with indignation. ▫ UrbaneLegend talk 12:32, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention that autism != ADHD or anything like that.  If anything, people with autism tend to be TOO focused.  =)  Powers 15:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

GUYS?? This is ridiculous. NOWHERE in this article does it state that he is autistic. THAT IS THE ENTIRE REASON WHY THIS IS SUCH AN INCREDIBLE STORY. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.82.9.81 (talk • contribs) .

"autistic" is the thirteenth word of the article.  Powers 14:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Kids with autism are great! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.246.79 (talk) 02:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Um, no.  What's notable is that he scored twenty points in those four minutes.  That's called making the most of your opportunity. Anson2995 16:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I actually don't see why he's so popular either. So he has autism and played basketball. So what? It's not like autism effects the way you play basketball. Now, if he was a legless blind midget who scored 20 points in 4 minutes, that's an inspirational person!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.217.222 (talk) 23:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Any updates on the movie? I also copied edit some. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 18:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

They will get Chris Burke to play J-Mac and it will include scenes of J-Mac playing beer pong and missing every cup while he calls people names and acts like a douche. They will cut out the scene where the Spencerport coach tells his players not to defend the disabled boy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.155.227 (talk) 21:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Is Jason notable under WP:NOT#NEWS, where it says that people should not be included over one event? Just a question, I don't really know, and I'd love for someone to set me straight...Cheers, -talk- the_ed17 -contribs- 04:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:NOT#NEWS says that an indivual is notable if "news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event". McElwain won an ESPY and was visited by President Bush, so news coverage has been gone beyond the game in February. --Mr.crabby  (Talk) 11:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Also, the fact that they're making a movie about him suggests he is noteworthy enough to meet the criteria. Anson2995 (talk) 14:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for pointing me wrong. =D -talk- the_ed17 -contribs- 16:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

this article is poorly written. it contains many point of view statements. 
"jamc is really rude and cocky in person. "
if people can write what a hero he is, can i write that? its true.
--Keithkesslerexp (talk) 14:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree, with the above, the kid is rude and gets belligerent if someone doesn't recognize him. I don't think he has a major disability, he just seems a bit off. Also they didn't defend him at all when he scored a few points in a basketball game (big freakin deal? Mild Asperger's Syndrome wouldn't hinder a person's ability to learn how to shoot a basketball).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.132.84 (talk) 17:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC) 
I saw the game also and it is true, the coach of the other team told his players to lay off and they just let the kid shoot. When you consider the facts, this just isn't that impressive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.117.24 (talk) 20:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC) 
Has anyone noticed how the media stories exaggerate J-Mac's disability, and then when the boy speaks as he is interviewed he sounds like any of his peers, maybe just a bit on the slow side. Hardly seems like he has a serious disability that would hinder him from playing sports. And the other team didn't even try to defend him, they just let him shoot.
I've thought about that too. What does social impairment(that's what autism is basically) have to do with the ability to shoot a basket? I wonder if Jason really even wanted all this attention? Makes you think. Also, I think I heard somewhere Bill Gates might have Asperger's. There's also a lot of evidence that Einstein had Asperger's. Not sure if this guy has Asperger's but he definitely seems high-functioning. Considering this wouldn't it be funny if this guy went on to get a degree in computers and start a company rivaling Microsoft or became the next Einstein? We'd all look a little silly for fawning over him over a few baskets. I guess a lot of people equate autism with mental retardation even though while they do sometimes overlap they're not the same thing, and that's why this guy got all this attention.TheRealdeal (talk) 05:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
He seems to enjoy all of the attention and seriously I doubt he is going to do anything if he can't even properly place cakes and bread on supermarket shelves.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.189.171 (talk) 09:50, 25 April 2009 (UTC) 
Undiagnosed but I found out I fit the criteria for Asperger's. The only real difference between that and HFA is lack of delay in learning verbal communication, and since people on the spectrum sometimes catch up even if there's a verbal delay in early life Asperger's and HFA are often indistinguishable in adulthood. In my personal experience even though I'm going to college and know practically everything about the subject I'm taking for my degree and have a bright, possibly wealthy and possibly even famous future ahead of me I can not handle fast food jobs. I got fired for going too slow. Too much multitasking combined with an excessive tendancy to think doomed me from the beginning. People often comment that I seem to be able to easily do hard things but make some really dumb mistakes(Fortunately for me these tend to be inconsequential things you can just laugh about and people who get to know me figure out I'm smart with time even if they get a first impression of me being stupid). I have a theory about why this is. Autism is in a nutshell an impairment of instincts, but the deliberate thinking part of the brain compensates. Even social skills can be compensated for. All the things people think of as easy tend to be based on basic human instincts, while the things people think are hard deal with thinking. So you can't really judge his future success or lack thereof based on his ability to place things on a supermarket shelf.67.162.221.197 (talk) 09:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I was sitting in the gym the other day on a bench. apparently jmacs bag of things was beneith me feet so he shouted "make way for the celeberty", rolled his eyes and snatched his bag. The media is making it all go to his head.--Keithkesslerexp (talk) 11:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jason McElwain/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
This is pretty good overall. I went and fixed most copyedit issues, though double check to make sure I didn't miss any. However, here are some things I'd fix:

"...but began to develop social skills as he progressed to a higher age." This statement just sounds wrong. Maybe "as he grew older" or something along those lines?
Done --Mr.crabby (Talk) 21:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
The reaction section has a lot of paragraphs beginning with dates. Fix this so it doesn't feel proselineish.
How about now? --Mr.crabby (Talk) 21:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
McElwain "had a tear in my eye." Um.. maybe "had a tear in [his] eye." would be better?
Done --Mr.crabby (Talk) 21:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Restructure wherever there's one sentence paragraphs. Can't have those.
Done --Mr.crabby (Talk) 21:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Otherwise, this seems good. Shouldn't take more than a week to fix this little bit. Wizardman 20:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Good, however the dates didn't have to be removed completely, just meshed in with the paragraphs. Wizardman 00:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Better now? --Mr.crabby (Talk) 01:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Yup. I don't see any other problems, so I'll pass this. Wizardman 19:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This is my first time ever posting on a "discussion" page, so if I have done it wrong, I apologize.
It appears that a bunch of "haters" came on here and vandalized the site, saying stuff like, "the fans rushed onto the court as if he accomplished something", for example. I edited it all out and cleaned it up.  It's truly sad that some people can't see the true beauty of this story.
Also, there was a part that said, "the other coach told his players not to guard him". There is zero proof on this. In fact, if you watch the game on YouTube, you will see that when he shot his first shot, the other team came inches away from blocking the shot. How would the other coach of known about him before he even came in the game? I took that part out.
Wrong, they didn't try to defend him at all. And everyone knew about him because he was the waterboy for about 4 years and the Greece-Athena coach told the other coach before the game that he was going to let the handicapped boy play at the end and wanted him to feel happy for himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FSUNolez06 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Anon User 149.169.127.35 wrote "Whoever writes this says he's from Greece, N.Y., but that is wrong. Although, he went to a Greece schol, he is from Rochester. His postal address says Rochester, not Greece. Same as Athena/Wegmans...". First of all, many Rochester suburbs have a Rochester mailing address (see [2]}. That doesn't change the fact that the town of Greece is not in the city of Rochester.  For confirmation that McElwain lived/lives in Greece, just look at his book.  The B&N page for the book includes the author bio from the jacket, which says: "He works at Wegmans in Rochester, New York, and lives in the neighboring town of Greece."   If someone ones to add a citation to the main article, it's here. [3]  Anson2995 (talk) 01:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
You're right. This is from wiki itself. "The Town of Greece is in the northern part of the county and borders the City of Rochester on the east, the town of Gates on the south, the towns of Parma and Ogden on the west, and Lake Ontario on the north. The town is a contiguous suburb of Rochester. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithkesslerexp (talk • contribs) 

Why do I have to keep reverting people who call McElwain a "boy" or (now) an "adolescent"?  Isn't "man" the accepted term for any male over the age of 18?  Powers T 20:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

agreed Anson2995 (talk) 04:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The source provided does not say so and this says he is a graduate of the high school.  Can anyone explain this?  I've removed it for now. Ryan Vesey 09:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I scored 58 points in a youth game, and I didn't meet the president.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaitheciocan (talk • contribs) 20:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC) 

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