# Talk:Icius insolidus

Fernández-Rubio (2013) has unfortunately duplicated the correct explanation of the etymology of the genus name Idiops as the etymology of Icius, the entry above. The genus Icius was named by Simon (1876:54); in a footnote he says "Le mot Icelus, faisant double emploi, nous avon dû le remplacer" (the word Icelus, having double use, we had to replace it). Icelus was a genus named by Koch. So is Icius just a combination of letters different from Icelus without meaning? Peter coxhead (talk) 08:20, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: Interesting. There seems to be contemporary debate around the site of Julius Cesar's Icius Pontus, with Boulogne being seemingly preferred,  so maybe that was the inspiration for the name. Fernández-Rubio states that the latter part of Psuedicius, dicius (δικαίος), is translated justo, honrado, which means fair or honest. I cannot find a reliable source for a link between either of these and the genus so including them would, I believe, unfortunately be OR.  simongraham (talk) 08:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
@Simongraham: I think Fernández-Rubio is simply wrong to decompose Psuedicius into Psuedo-+dicius. It's clearly meant to be Pseudo-+Icius, i.e. the false genus Icius. I fear it reinforces my doubts about his paper. It's not reliable to guess at the components of complex scientific names without looking to see whether the original author gave any explanation. (See, e.g., Tarantula#The element pelma in genus names. Cardiopelma doesn't mean something like 'heart-shaped foot'.) Peter coxhead (talk) 09:33, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
Simon doesn't explain what the "double use" is, but Icelus is a fish genus named in 1845, so has priority. (Koch used the genus Icelus in a species name in 1846, giving a diagnosis for the genus itself in 1850.) But would Simon have known about the fish genus? Peter coxhead (talk) 11:33, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

The second paragraph of the Taxonomy section would, I think, be better at the genus article, Icius, as it's not confined to this species. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

The Icius article could definitely be expanded with this information, and more. simongraham (talk) 08:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)