# Talk:La Masia

Barcelona had 9 players from La Masia play in the Final that help Spain win their first World Cup title. I think a section should be added and also how many titles have been achieved by the players to graduate from the school. La Fuzion (talk) 01:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Messi and Barca set up school
Eto'o and Barca

This review is transcluded from Talk:La Masia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  04:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Please use T:AH to organize the talk page so I can understand the concerns of the prior reviewers. I think I see about three prior peer reviews and an official copy edit.  I want to make sure I have an understanding of what the past issues have been.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  05:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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Gimmebot does that sometimes, I don't know how to. Sandman888 (talk) 18:18, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
O.K. I will do it myself in the next day or two and then begin the review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  05:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I just formatted it. I will look through the issues and start commenting in the next couple of days.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  20:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Opening comments:

General
Remove spaces preceding references or between adjacent references.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  00:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Only found one, please let me know if there are more. Sandman888 (talk) 10:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
LEAD
Barcelona's success is ambiguous to me.  Did the youth academy lead to success by the city or the team?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  00:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Clearer now? Sandman888 (talk) 10:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
History
It seems to me that La Liga should have a link.
Done Sandman888 (talk) 10:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Is there no history between 1988 and 2007?
Not very much I'm afraid, most focuses on the recent success of Barcelona and Spain. Sandman888 (talk) 10:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand this sentence: "The success of La Masia as a talent school has been ascribed by Ian Hawkey of The Times " and why isn't The Times linked?
Is it better now? Sandman888 (talk) 10:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand the choice of the word ascribed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  22:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Link some of these regions since many english speakers are not familiar with regions of Spain: About half of them were from Catalonia, and the rest came from other regions of the Kingdom of Spain and beyond, including 15 from Cameroon, 7 from Brazil, 5 from Senegal and 3 from Argentina. Of those 500, about 10 percent made it into the first team.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  00:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
All linked Sandman888 (talk) 10:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Organisation
You talk about the cost, but don't mention a tuition cost to the players.
comprise should probably be "are comprised of"
Is there a link for "2009 10 season"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  22:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
This article is quite deficient in terms of covering the history.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 
I am not so sure about the licensing of File:Masia-AmorFerrerMussonsGuardiola.jpg
Overall:
Pass/Fail: 
Because of my concerns about the history, I am requesting a second opinion.


### 2nd opinion
Short of listing all of the players who graduated through the academy in the seven years between 1990 and 2007, I don't think that is a particular problem to have this "gap".
The word ascribe is a synonym of attribute, see wiktionary:ascribe. Jezhotwells (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
The image File:Masia-AmorFerrerMussonsGuardiola.jpg. Tony asked me to look at the licensing. The license is definitely wrong. This is a photograph of a photograph, so the copyright belongs to the original photographer. I have nominated it for deletion at Commons, but it might be OK on English Wikipedia with a suitable fair use rationale. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
This article is on hold awaiting final responses from the editor.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  19:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you for the reviews. I've removed imaged and replaced ascribed with the synonym. Sandman888 (talk) 09:08, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I am now satisfied and am passing this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  22:10, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

The alumni section is confusing. It only lists the players' career with FCB on some, while on others it lists their careers with other clubs. In any event, also league appearances seem to be lumped together for all players. Cesc Fabregas never featured for the Barca first team, but it still lists appearances as if he had. Other players' careers are only listed for Barcelona, even though their careers lasted years later, while also including appearances featured for other clubs --something that has been fixed for some. There must be a better way to organize this data --or perhaps not even include appearances at all, or have a different section for "career with FCB".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.142.9.21 (talk) 15:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC) 

I don't know if this is significant enough but 35 (the ones I could find) of the players that have passed through La Masía have played for the national team.
Xavier Hernández i Creus 98 games
Carles Puyol i Saforcada 94 
Francesc Fàbregas i Soler 56 
Sergi Barjuan i Esclusa 56
Andrés Iniesta Luján 54 
Lionel Andrés Messi 51
Josep Guardiola i Sala 47
Guillermo Amor Martínez 37
Albert Ferrer i Llopis 36
Francisco José Carrasco Hidalgo 35
Gerard Piqué i Bernabeu 29
Sergio Busquets i Burgos 26
Giovani dos Santos Ramírez 22
José Manuel Reina Páez 20
Albert Luque i Martos 18
Luis Javier García Sanz 18
Ramon Maria Calderé i Rey 18
Carles Rexach i Cerdà 15
Pedro Rodríguez Ledesma 11
Johan Jordi Cruijff 9
Gerard López Segú 6
Cristóbal Parralo Aguilera 6
Javier Moreno Varela 5
Jonathan dos Santos 5
Iván de la Peña López 5
Albert Celades i López 4
Gabriel Garcia de la Torre 3
Francisco Joaquín Pérez Rufete 3
Víctor Valdés i Arribas 3
Luis Milla Aspas 3
Sergio García de la Fuente 2
Fernando Navarro Corbacho 2
Bojan Krkić i Pérez 1
Gai Yigaal Assulin  1
Haruna Babangida 1  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.43.187.7 (talk) 22:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC) 

Can someone add Ángel Pedraza to the table?  He died yesterday and all spanish newspapers confirm he was the first player from la Masia to play one match at the first team of FC Barcelona, at a UEFA Cup match in 1980 in Malta. He then left Barça and returned later, to play his first La Liga match in january 1986 with Terry Venables.--Jordiferrer (talk) 16:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

The table is actualizated with more players in the Catalan Wikipedia. --62.57.98.62 (talk) 22:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Do they use same criteria to add a player (minumum number of games played, or similar) ?--Jordiferrer (talk) 12:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes. --62.57.98.62 (talk) 13:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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