# Talk:Hutchinson River Parkway

You boys want to explain the point of this little pissing match over highway numbers? --Calton | Talk 05:26, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm keeping it sorted according to its number. I don't know what Gene's doing. --SPUI (talk) 05:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OK, so I added the other reference route (my source is List of New York State Reference Routes), but now I'm wondering what to do about the sorting key. I suppose it doesn't even really matter, because the sorting key isn't visible and the Hutch's order in Category:New York state highways is the same regaurdless of which of the two is chosen. I'm just wondering if there's some way it can be sorted by both. (I don't see any reason why one of the two is better than the other.) Any ideas?
--Engleman 05:00, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

I would put 908A, as the 907W does not match the region it is in (Region 10 number, but it is in region 8). Rmsuperstar99 03:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The Hutch used to be a Toll Road. The toll booth was located just over the Bronx/Westchester county line and was removed in recent (~10 years or so) time. Maybe someone can look into this? Rob110178 23:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

"The reconstruction project was completed on October 31, 1994, when the 25-cent Pelham Manor toll plaza between EXIT 7 (US 1 / Boston Post Road) and EXIT 8 (Sanford Boulevard) was removed." from http://www.nycroads.com/roads/hutchinson/. I am adding this to the article This seems to be correct, as I have a map from 1993 that does show a toll, and a map from 1995 that does not have it. Rmsuperstar99 03:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The article says it ends at the Bruckner Interchange, but if you continue south to the Bronx-Whitesone Bridge and take the last exit before the toll, you find yourself on a road signed as "Hutchinson River Parkway" which allows access to Ferry Point Park and loops around under the bridge to get you northbound on I-678 again.  47.20.162.46 (talk) 13:23, 14 August 2015 (UTC)captcrisis
If you look at a map or any source it will say the Hutchinson River Parkway ends at the Interchange. It becomes I-678 when it goes under the ramps. Exit 1 is the merge onto the Bruckner. AmericanAir88 (talk) 16:12, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
If you actually drive along the loop, as I have many times, it is signed "Hutchinson River Parkway".  It is also signed as such on Google Maps. 68.196.3.202 (talk) 17:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)captcrisis

The website nycroads.com is a self-published source. I suggest that it be replaced by a better source if this article is to be nominated for GA. epicgenius (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

I have replaced all references to nycroads and to another blog with primary sources.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hutchinson River Parkway/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: David Fuchs (talk · contribs) 20:51, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

In progress. Should have comments by the start of next week. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 20:51, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@David Fuchs: Thank you for taking this up. Much appreciated. We were coming up on a year of the article being in nomination! AmericanAir88(talk)  03:48, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
@David Fuchs: A heads up, I am currently on a business trip until Monday. AmericanAir88(talk)  20:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Overall it's pretty solid. I haven't had much experience with road articles but I compared it to FAs listed under the transport category. A few things:
Prose:

Both designations are unsigned reference routes. Like the Bronx River Parkway, the reference route designation of the parkway in Westchester County violates the numbering scheme used by the NYSDOT.[3] The second digit of a reference route designation typically indicates its region. While other reference routes in the county carry a second digit of "8", as Westchester County is located in region 8, the "0" in 907W is indicative of regions 10 and 11, containing Long Island and New York City, respectively.[3]—this whole section of the lead feels like inside baseball that isn't important enough for the lead. Feels like it's route description-level stuff.
@David Fuchs: I disagree with this as this statement covers the entire route and now just a section. The lead is supposed to be an overview, just like this statement. It would be awkward for route description unless I put it before everything at the top of the section. What is your opinion? AmericanAir88(talk)  23:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
The lead shouldn't be the place for novel information. As is, this content is only found in the lead which isn't acceptable under WP:LEAD. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 15:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 Done AmericanAir88(talk)  02:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
However, as seen in a 1942 photo, showing the removal of the viaduct of the New York, Westchester and Boston Railway, Lincoln Avenue's southbound and northbound exits shared the current northbound ramp, which was a T-intersection without acceleration or deceleration lanes.[7] It's kind of weird to reference a photo we don't see, and also weird to me that we're throwing in historical info in what otherwise reads as a description of the current route.
@David Fuchs: I removed this area as it is not relevant and is just trivial information. AmericanAir88(talk)  23:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Who is Robert Moses? People who aren't New York people probably need a word or two of introduction. Likewise, why is In Robert Caro's biography of Robert Moses, The Power Broker, he writes that Moses deliberately designed the parkways to have low bridges to prevent low-income families from traveling by bus to destinations outside of New York City.[26] at the end of the section in a widowed line rather than grouped with Moses' work on the parkway?
 Done AmericanAir88(talk)  00:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
References:

In and of itself, I'm not sure current ref 3 supports the assertions made highlighted above. It tells me how certain roads are denoted, not what the NYSDOT's numbering system actually is.
 Done AmericanAir88(talk)  00:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I've never come across citations to public mapping services before. Has there been a discussion on a noticeboard about these serving as reliable sources?
@David Fuchs: It is notable as it is literally a map of the parkway. The map shows the various crossings and unique road interchanges. There is a whole template system for citing online maps. See Template:Cite map and Map Citations in articles AmericanAir88(talk)  02:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Spot-check of statements attributed to refs 1, 8, 12, and 24 didn't turn up issues.
Images:

Images look fine with appropriate licenses. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 03:41, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
@David Fuchs: All issues have been addressed. Where do we go from here? AmericanAir88(talk)  04:07, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

The history section of this article needs work. I am familiar with Robert Moses, but the description that he "decided to build more parkways in the Bronx" is a gross-oversimplification. Despite his power, he could not simply build whatever he decided to. The word choice and phrasing is off. The second sentence in that paragraph is written better and more appropriately to reflect that it was his leadership (and also his skillful maneuvering in Albany to get funds) that got it built.
Also, the article currently states that the "bridges on the parkways...were planned and built...before Robert Moses became involved in state government" is false. The article states only that construction began in 1924, there is nothing int he article about when it was designed and planned, or by who. Besides that, Moses entered state government when Al Smith was elected governor in 1922, and in 1924 (the year the article states construction began), Moses was already the president of the Long Island State Park Commission and the Chairman of the New York State Council of Parks. There is no assessment as to what role the NYS Council of Parks, which " The council served to plan development and set standard policies for all New York state-owned parks, reservations, and historic sites that were not under the authority of the New York State Conservation Commission...", had on the HRP. Without such assessment, any broad claim that the HRP is unrelated to Moses is premature. 
Further on this point, the third paragraph about Robert Moses and the overpass heights needs clarifications. Both statements in that paragraph can be true--it can be true that Moses deliberately build parkway overpasses low on other parkways and that he had no role in planning or setting the height of the HRP overpasses. But to imply the HRP stands in rebuttal of Caro's writing in The Power Broker takes it a step too far. That parkways in Westchester exonerate Moses of Caro's claims is a sweeping and unsubstantiated claim in light of the uncertainty of his involvement in the planning of the HRP.108.21.182.146 (talk) 16:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

The history section doesn't need that much work. While it's true that Moses wasn't the only driving force behind the parkway's extension, he had a large role. I removed the bit about parkway bridge heights - the second part of the paragraph is unsourced, and the first portion assumes that Moses was advocating for lower bridge heights including on the HRP. epicgenius (talk) 21:09, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Add new exit numbers per [1] 216.165.95.86 (talk) 16:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)