# Talk:Jenny Morris (musician)

Their a lot Jenny Morris and non related to the musician. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tony Senatore (talk • contribs) 06:34, 19 November 2005.

That's all well and good, but it still doesn't justify deleting the disambiguation link at the top of the article. I've restored it; don't delete it again. | Keithlaw 14:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Keihlaw I don't agree with you. People are going to get confuse. You should keep these Jenny Morris sperate to avoid confusion.
1. Jenny Morris Category: New Zealand musicians http://www.jennymorris.com/
2. Jenny Morris (chef) Category: South Africa chef http://www.gigglinggourmet.com/
3. Jenny Morris (USA) http://www.angelfire.com/pop/JennyMorris/index2.html
4. Jenny Morris (author) http://books.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/cpc_5101_vtl_author_c19201100.html
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tony Senatore (talk • contribs) 07:11, 20 November 2005.
Because there are two Jenny Morrises in Wikipedia, there needs to be a disambiguation link at the top of the page pointing to the other one. No one is going to be confused by a sentence that specifies that this article is about the musician, not the chef. | Keithlaw 15:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
This is same Jenny Morris from Australia bio
- Jenny Morris (New Zealand), musician
- Jenny Morris (USA), musician
- Jenny Morris (Australia), sport
- Jenny Morris (Africa), cook - she change her name
You think they one Tony Senatore wrong there a lot in music, some are my cousins.
Thank you Keihlaw
I try many times to get my login name name with no lucky. Thank you anyway   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 14:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC) 
you say Jenny Morris (USA) easy I do with artists on ilike to avoid confuse  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 14:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC) 

Is this the same Jenny Morris that is in the band Innosense? -WarthogDemon 06:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No. --ozzmosis 20:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
In that case, this calls for disambig. -WarthogDemon 01:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
That's Jenny Morris from USA, she once run site www.jennymorris.com before the Australian took it. 

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Dan arndt and I intend to make some major edits to this article to get it up to B Class. Interim edits may appear incomplete or disorganised and the process is expected to take about a week.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Now at B-class (at least). Some other tweaks & touches may be needed.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 11:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jenny Morris (musician)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:36, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.
Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct: 
In the QED and "Jackson" section, third paragraph, though, I have a question, "...and were produced by Mark Moffatt (The Saints, Mondo Rock, Tim Finn) and Ricky Fataar (Geyer, Finn, Kids in the Kitchen)", what do you mean by "produced"? Did Moffatt and Fataar produced their album or something? Same section, "QED recorded some of The Crocodiles' material including, 'Everywhere I Go', 'Animal Magic' and 'You're So Hip'" [...] Their debut single, 'Everywhere I Go', was released in December", I'm assuming that "Everywhere I Go" is the same song QED used from The Crocodiles? Same section, you might want to add that "Countdown" is a music television show. Same section, who's "WEA"? In the Solo success: 1986–1994 section, "...'Break in the Weather', was co-written by Jenny Morris and her youngest brother Tam" ---> "...'Break in the Weather', was co-written by Morris and her youngest brother Tam", you don't need to add her full name. In the Later years: 1995–current section, "In March 2003, Port Fairy's 27th Annual Folk Festival[64] was staged with Archie Roach, John Williamson, Renée Geyer, Jenny Morris and emerging Australian band The Waifs were among the popular performers", no need for "Jenny". Same section, "In May 2005, Alive DVD" ---> "In May 2005, the Alive DVD".
Done by--shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Check.
B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation: 
In the QED and "Jackson" section, "B-Side" ---> "B-side". Throughout the article, try not to add so many slashes, (Ex: session / touring, Nancy Sinatra/Lee Hazlewood's, etc.), per here. There needs to be consistency between "Listen Like Thieves World Tour" and "Listen Like Thieves world tour". In the Later years: 1995–current section, why is this ---> "for service to the arts, particularly music, and to the community through charitable organisation" italicized? Either way, it shouldn't be italicized, per here.
Done by--shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Check.
Wrong Jenny Morris did tour with INXS on Listen Like Thieves World Tour in 1987. She also appears on video Burn For You.

Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline: 
Ref. 78 should not be in all capitals, per here. Also, is "Spencer et al" the publisher for Ref. 78? If not, then the publisher or work is missing. In addition, if you find any titles in the sources that are all capitalized, please fix them.
Spencer is one of the authors of The Who's Who in Australian Rock. I've used Spencer et al to ref to that work in the Specific References section. The full reference is already given in the General References section with publisher and other information there. Publisher of ref 78 itself is the Government of Australia, which is wikilinked.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Alright, I just needed to know. Thanks for clearing that up, and check.
B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose): 

C. It contains no original research: 

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic: 

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style): 

Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each: 

Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute: 

Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content: 

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 
Are there no free images of Morris available?
I've looked for these at usual sites but no free images have been found.21:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Just needed to know.
Overall:
Pass or Fail: 
If the statements above can be answered, I will pass the article. Good luck with improving this article!
--  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:36, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Done--shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you to Shaidar cuebiyar for getting the stuff I left at the talk page, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

You can't post my bio information from com.au to .com they are different and have no right post. I already legal esquire and my website is copyright protect now and you stole that information without asking me. I can take legal action with Wikipedia you put back the bio back
07:02, 4 January 2010 
Jenny Morris was born in New Zealand in 1956. She entered the music business in 1978, when she began performing lead vocals in the all-girl group The Wide Mouthed Frogs.[2][7] Fellow members were Kate Brockie on lead vocals, Andrea Gilkison on guitar, Tina Matthews on bass guitar, Bronwyn Murray on keyboards and Sally Zwartz on drums.[8] This was followed in 1980 by the band The Crocodiles, with whom she scored a Top 20 hit in New Zealand with 'Tears'. In February 1981, at the behest of manager Mike Chunn, The Crocodiles moved to Sydney, Australia, only to disband in July.

Only Official site and fan site can share information on com.au cannot be post on .com, by law .com are commerce domain they must delete information within 24 hours a .com can face closely. If a site is copyright protect in Australia nobody can steal information and post on .com domain. Its nice when someone does all the hard work and they work are stolen.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC) 
I made equires what's on com.au and .com I was told what's on com.au stay there Powerhouse Museum and ABC would say no. You can't reproduce information on .com. Authors say to .com it's commerce domains, authors can take legal action on .com. I know Rose Tattoo fan site did face copy violation and was given 24 hours to remove the goes for Kylie Minogue fan site. 
I chat with Jenny Morris schoolmate and told me everything on her, she was teacher in New Zealand. Also chat with one of her student and told me she was teacher in Australia to. 
Shaidar it has to be your research not stealing information by site that may be right or wrong online. I was lucky to meet Jenny Morris in person and help me a lot and knows about my site and put copyright on my site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 06:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know were go on here for talk with you, I leave it here instead.
I spoke to Jenny Morris which gave me permission to run my fan site for her. The bio on my site I did a lot research in real life by rock magazine. I know Jenny Morris was teacher in New Zealand and Australia. She comes from Spanish background and I magazine with her on front cover and I go by her words. This link has a lot information on her http://quoteunquotenz.blogspot.com/2010/03/in-praise-of-jenny-morris.html I never came here first time I find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 06:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Jennifer "Jenny" Patricia Morris OAM (born 29 September 1956) is a New Zealand-born Australian pop/rock singer-songwriter. Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who had a top 20 hit single with "Tears". Re-locating to Sydney, Australia in February 1981, she was a backing vocalist for various groups and formed a trio, QED, in 1983. Morris provided backing vocals for INXS on their 1983 album, The Swing, she then recorded a duet with lead singer, Michael Hutchence, on a cover of Nancy Sinatra/Lee Hazlewood's hit "Jackson", it was included as a bonus track on the April 1984 INXS EP, Dekadance, which reached number two on the Australian Kent Music Report Albums Chart. Morris worked on their 1985–1986 Listen Like Thieves World Tour. Her solo career includes top five Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) Albums with Shiver in 1989 and Honeychild in 1991, and her top five ARIA Singles are "She Has to Be Loved" and "Break in the Weather". These albums and singles also peaked in the top ten on the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ) charts. Morris has won two ARIA Music Awards for 'Best Female Artist' in 1987 and 1988 and was nominated for the same award in 1992. In 2003, on Australia Day (26 January), Morris became an Australian citizen and in 2010 she received the Order of Australia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC) 

Jenny Morris www.jennymorris.com
Jenny Morris OAM is a New Zealand-born Australian pop, rock singer-songwriter. Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who had a top 20 hit single with “Tears”. Re-locating to Sydney, Australia in February 1981, she was a backing vocalist for various groups and formed a trio, QED, in 1983.
Morris provided backing vocals for INXS on their 1983 album, The Swing, she then recorded a duet with lead singer, Michael Hutchence, on a cover of Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazlewood’s hit “Jackson”, it was included as a bonus track on the April 1984 (cassette only) INXS EP, Dekadance, which reached number two on the Australian Kent Music Report Albums Chart. Morris worked on their 1985–1986 Listen Like Thieves World Tour.
Her solo career includes top five Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) Albums with Shiver in 1989 and Honeychild in 1991, and her top five ARIA Singles are “She Has to Be Loved” and “Break in the Weather”. These albums and singles also peaked in the top ten on the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ) charts.
Morris has won two ARIA Music Awards for ‘Best Female Artist’ in 1987 and 1988 and was nominated for the same award in 1992. In 2003, on Australia Day (26 January), Morris became an Australian citizen and in 2010 she received the Order of Australia.
http://www.theharbouragency.com/artist-profile/jenny-morris
Jenny Morris is one of Australia's most successful female singer songwriters.
Her creativity, personality and formidable ability have been instrumental in her rise to world wide acclaim as a recorded artist, performer and songwriter.
These same attributes ensure her corporate speaking presentation is both entertaining and highly valuable to a wide range of audience. Looking at crucial personal issues such as success - what it really means and how to achieve and sustain it - Jenny offers a different and thought provoking point-of-view that offers inspiration, insight and down-to-earth how-to's that work for both our professional and personal endeavours.
Jenny started her working life as a high school art teacher, performing at night with a number of bands before signing up with INXS as a backing singer.
Her first solo album - Body and Soul was produced by INXS's Andrew Farriss in 1987. The album went platinum, produced three hit singles and earned her an ARIA for "Most Popular Female Performer".
In 1989 Body and Soul was followed by Shiver which went triple platinum and like Body and Soul produced three hit singles - Saved Me, Street of Love and She Has To Be Loved. European Tours with Tears for Fears, INXS and Prince followed in the wake of international acclaim.
Three more successful albums - Honeychild, The Story So Far and Salvation Jane - have followed resulting in more platinum albums and hit singles.
Jenny has achieved a level of success that most of us only dream about. She has met and toured with some of the worlds' greatest recording artists including Paul McCartney. She has two beautiful children with photographer husband Paul Clarke and she is a respected environmental activist. By anyone's measure, an amazing line-up of achievements for such a young woman. But for all her success and the resulting acclaim, Jenny remains a down to earth person with a wealth of experiences that we can all relate to. Woven into her stories are some important personal messages supporting excellence and strength in all that we undertake.
Jenny's spectacular presentation, which includes a live performance of some of her hits, adds a very special aspect to any conference, dinner or corporate function.
http://www.ovations.com.au/presenter_detail/jenny_morris/26385/1  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC) 

Why bring her husband and kids into issue that private and should stay offline its no-one business, doing that your stalker or nosy person they just human being and should be treat like that way. Lucky I never got into show business myself, i wouldn't like people putting they nose into my business.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC) 

Are you dumb or something I find out when Jenny Morris date of birth, How's Your Father, I can name other things you took from my site without my permission. You don't steal someone hard and you claim credits that's stealing. I had that information on my site for long time before you. Your silly billy my site is protect by Australian Copyright Association, when copy and paste my information you didn't know my site is copyright protect they know my hard work. You didn't ask me that's stealing, how would you like it, if I stole information from your site you didn't ask for permission, that's copyright. I attended conference in copyright about online issues. You can't say fan website are correct you need to do your research not steal.
For your information not a lot people like Wikipedia and I know 2 ex-employer told how there work from inside. Even Anna Nicole Smith who went under different and was abuse here, so was I.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 03:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC) 

It would appear that a significant amount of her bio information, whilst found at the preceding editors website, can also be found at a number of other sources. I don't think that the editor has any proprietary rights to that information if it can be found & verified at other sources. Essentially if the facts are correct they can ussually be verified from other sources. As long as the wording is not a direct copy then there shouldn't be any copyright infringement issue (but I'm not a lawyer). It should be worth noting that I did get in contact with Jenny Morris' management when I was seeking the use of an image of Morris. At that time I did enquire and asked them to check the article to see if there were any inaccurate statements or facts and that they confirmed that it was all good. Dan arndt (talk) 04:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I work very close with Angry Anderson and Rose Tattoo management and told what I can post online. I am lucky person that management made me hold the rights last original lineup. If you are given permission to use Jenny Morris image means the photography sign a contact that the management hold the rights that photo only they can give permission no one else. Copyright is very tricky to understand.  
I find Jenny Morris date birth with a lot recourse and I don't post nothing on my site if it's wrong information, you need to be careful with USA Jenny Morris singer. I have a lot articles of Jenny Morris I read the more important information the rest I don't know if its right or wrong. I was lucky another to attend some concerts and I got free drink on house.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC) 

Powerhouse Museum doesn't have that information. You did steal her date birth yours was 26 mine 29 that's stealing. I don't steal my dear I do a lot resource, I was tough to write short brief bio's and not steal. Jenny Morris made me her representative in 1998, she choice my site to be official site for her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

So on that basis all these other websites all based their information on your websites? Dan arndt (talk) 06:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Dan good try I didn't go to non of those links. I had her date birth on bio in 2008 for 3 years, Wikipedia updated in January 2010.

ibirthdayworld - No, I didn't go where
Movieeye - No, I didn't go where
Celebrityland - No, I didn't go there
True Knowledge - No, I didn't go there
Flipkart - No, I didn't go there
Amazon - No, I didn't go there
No

Jenny Morris (musician) - No, I didn't go there
Jenny Morris - Discography - No, I didn't go there
People From Hamilton, New Zealand: Jenny Morris - No, I didn't go there
Prague Real Estate - No, I didn't go there
facts about Jenny Morris - No, I didn't go there
Jenny Morris (musician) - No, good layout  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 08:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Oke, there seems to be a lot of confusion here. A question which might clarify things. User:124.176.58.238, are you saying wikipedia is not allowed to post her birthdate because you have copyright on it? If that is not the problem, can you please give an example of copyrighted information in the wikipedia article? Yoenit (talk) 08:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
On 4 January 2010. Jenny Morris Birth name Jennifer Patricia Morris Born 26 September 1956 (1956-09-26) (age 54) Tokoroa, New Zealand Origin Hamilton, New Zealand. - by Shaidar cuebiyar on. 
On 7 January 2010 Jenny Morris Birth name Jennifer Patricia Morris Born 29 September 1956 (1956-09-29) (age 54) Tokoroa, New Zealand Origin Hamilton - by Shaidar cuebiyar on. 
Jennifer "Jenny" Patricia Morris[1] (born 29 September 1956, Tokoroa, New Zealand) - by Shaidar cuebiyar on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 09:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Could you please post a link to your website as well? Yoenit (talk) 09:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Is this your website http://www.jennymorris.com/?page_id=3. Why doesn't it say her birthdate? I am trying to help, but I don't understand. Yoenit (talk)

That's right

In the absence of a response I will just give my observations. This is definitely not a copyright violation. You can not copyright information like a birthdate or the fact that she played in a certain band. What may have happened here is that information was not properly attributed, in which case we have to fix the attribution. Currently the source used for her birthdate seems to be ref 2, some aprap magazine, in which can't find a mention of her (though I might have missed it, the viewing format is annoying). Did I miss it or do we have another reference for her birthdate? Yoenit (talk) 12:42, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I find her date birthday long before Shaidar. My information didn't come form Powerhouse Museum site. I remember looking at How's Your Father article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 13:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC) 

It doesn't matter who found her birthday first; under the U.S. copyright laws that govern Wikipedia, facts are not copyrightable. These laws do not take into account the effort that goes into uncovering facts. What is protected by copyright is creativity. The language that you use to display facts may be protected (although if the language is basic and obvious, protection may be "thin"), but the information you are presenting is not. See Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Copyright and note particularly, "Facts cannot be copyrighted, only their expression. That is, you cannot claim a Wikipedia article infringes your copyright just because it happens to cite the same facts as a text or page that you wrote; you may only claim if the text in the article was copied from your work without permission." --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl my site was around before Wikipedia. I did the resource not you saying I copy your Wikipedia work is silly. What gives you the right to say dumb things? I do have case you don't know everything about her. You can go around and around but you end up in same the place with no fact.  Keep bitching at me you sound very ignorant person. I agree with Ann Nicole Smith comments about Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC) 

This is definitely not a copyright violation and we should stop referring to it as such, but I noticed the following:
"was born in Tokoroa, New Zealand in 1956 and grew up in Hamilton", I can't find this information in the interview in ref 2. They only talk about living in New Zealand and then in Australia, but don't name the actual places. Also "with three brothers (Alistair, Rhys and Tam) and four sisters (Maxine, Bronte, Joanne and Shanley)." is not supported by that same ref either. Only two are named (Tam and Shanley)
her birthdate renains unreferenced.
Obviously this information had to come from somewhere and was not properly attributed. I would have happily referenced the biography which the IP claimed the information was taken from, but I can't seem to find it (www.jennymorris.com doesn't have the information either). Yoenit (talk) 08:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Have found a number of references which clearly state that Morris was born in Tokoroa, raised in Hamilton and was a member of 'How's Your Father', which was a finalist in the 1976 National Battle of the Bands. These are independent verifiable sources and not taken from User:124.176.58.238's website. I have included them in the article so that it is clear that this information has not been sourced from that site. Dan arndt (talk) 04:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I have a lot rock books and articles on artists.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC) 

We should follow our BLP policy, which says birthdays and full names should not be included unless widely published (wp:DOB). As this is clearly not the case I have therefore removed the information from the article. If you do find a reliable source for the information feel free to put it back, but the fact that it is so hard to find suggests she might not want it publically known. Yoenit (talk) 10:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
The owner/operator of an independent Jenny Morris fansite has advised that the information on his website has been checked by Morris' management, who have confirmed that her birthday (29 September 1956) is correct.  Dan arndt (talk) 05:02, 7 February 2011 (UTC) 

Please provide a link to the website in question. Yoenit (talk) 06:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
In the process of doing so - just a slight hiccup with the link. Dan arndt (talk) 08:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

In the process of tracking down who the other members of How's Your Father - to date they were Peter 'Lez' White (bass); Stephen Stratford (guitar); Jenny Morris... If anyone can track down the other members then that would be appreciated. 06:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan arndt (talk • contribs) 
I know someone I think he left the net.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 14:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)