# Talk:Lois Riess

Hello @Cielquiparle, and @Tenpop421 I’ve addressed the concern flagged with the "This article may contain citations that do not verify the text" template on the "Article" page. After reviewing the article, I’ve ensured that all cited claims align with verifiable sources Where specific citations were placeholders, I’ve either removed speculative content or provided more clearer source, per WP:CRYSTAL guidelines.
Given these fixes, I’will go ahead and removed the template, as the article now meets WP:V standards. You’re welcome to review it yourself—check the revision history from March 7, 2025, onward—to confirm everything lines up. If you spot lingering issues or think additional citations are needed, feel free to tag them or let me know here. Thanks for your oversight! Afro 📢Talk! 10:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Afrowriter: Thank you for your work to address these issues. However, the article still has a lot of text-citation discrepancies to address. Just in the lead paragraphs, I found these problems: Nicknamed the "Killer Grandma" and "Losing Streak Lois" by media outlets, the latter is not reflect in the source or true, per this BBC article, it was a nickname given by local law authorities; sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole this is not reflected in this News-Press, which says nothing about parole; Her case has been the subject of an HBO documentary, podcasts, and in-depth media coverage nothing about podcasts in the two citations given [2] [3]. Tenpop421 (talk) 16:05, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
@Tenpop421
Regarding the nicknames, there are links provided to support those claims, backed by various media outlets. The sources are cited within the body of the article. She was sentenced to life imprisonment, and there are citations in the article to substantiate this as well. The podcasts are also mentioned, with highlights in the "Other Media" section. According to Wikipedia's guidelines, citations are not mandatory in the lead paragraph as long as the information is already covered and sourced within the article body. Afro 📢Talk! 16:15, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Afrowriter: there's nothing about podcasts or "Losing Streak Lois" in the body. You're right about Wikipedia's guidelines about article's leads, but if there is a citation, it should back up the sentence it is citing (see WP:INTEGRITY). Tenpop421 (talk) 16:19, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
@Tenpop421 Here are links to the podcasts,[4][5][6][7] which I couldn’t include earlier because most of them are direct links rather than descriptions of the podcast content. She has also been referred to as "Losing Streak Lois" on these podcasts.[8] Afro 📢Talk! 17:17, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Afrowriter: Two immediate issues: (1) to put it in the article that she was the subject of podcasts (as many serial killers have been), we need a secondary source saying that she has been the subject of podcasts, otherwise to say so would be undue (see WP:UNDUE for this policy); (2) I am not contesting whether she was referred to as Losing Streak Lois by media outlets (for which the podcasts are not WP:RS, and which the Fox source does not back up, it only says the nickname was used by local authorities), but whether she was nicknamed this by media outlets, which she wasn't; this nickname originated with local authorities [9]. To be blunt, my concern is that every time you state that the issue is resolved, I don't have to look very hard to find another discrepancy between the sources you've provided and the text. This article needs to be thoroughly checked for source-text discrepancies before the tag can be removed. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 20:09, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
@Tenpop421 The Fox isn’t the only source mentioning her as "Losing Streak Lois."[10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22] Let me break it down a bit. Media outlets —think newspapers, TV networks, radio stations, or online news sites—report info to the public, and they’re often considered reliable sources. But here’s the thing: they don’t always come up with nicknames like that on their own. Sometimes they’re just repeating what local authorities—like law enforcement—have said, and other times it might start with the media and spread from there. So, if "Losing Streak Lois" came from cops or reporters first, it’s hard to say without more evidence, but either way, it’s been picked up by the media and used beyond just The Fox. "You likely expect me to quote directly from the sources, which is not advisable. However, the fact that she has been referred to as 'Losing Streak Lois' in more than 10 sources WP:RS qualifies it as a widely used term in mass media publications." Afro 📢Talk! 07:33, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Afrowriter: to "nickname" someone something is to give someone that nickname, but in this case it was local authorities that did it, not the media. We're getting bogged down in details here. Even if every statement in this article is true, the citations just dont correspons to them in a reasonable way. I'm gonna start a WP:GAR to try and address this more thoroughly. Tenpop421 (talk) 10:02, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
@Tenpop421 ok No problem go ahead. Happy editing Afro 📢Talk! 10:20, 9 March 2025 (UTC)


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