# Talk:Clifton Hall, Cumbria

Evening. I'm proposing changing the reference style in this article to use the harvnb and cite book format - would anyone object to this? Hchc2009 (talk) 17:47, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Done. Hchc2009 (talk) 10:23, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Clifton Hall, Cumbria/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: SlimVirgin (talk · contribs) 21:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


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### Discussion
Clifton Hall is, or was, a manor house?
Gone for "as"
Suggestion: Clifton Hall was a fortified manor house in the village of Clifton, Cumbria, England. Dating from around 1400, it was constructed by either Elianor Engaine or her son-in-law William Wybergh, and was held by the Wybergh family until the 19th century.
Like it - changed as suggested. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I would give dates for the people on first reference, where known. Emery says Elianor Engaine (d. 1412)
Suggestion: I would split the lead into two paragraphs, the second one beginning "The Wyberghs were able to retain ..."
Agree, done. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
the family and the hall was caught up --> the family and the hall were caught up
Changed. Hchc2009 (talk)
Would it not be better to call it a house, rather than a hall, when discussing the whole structure? (i.e., the family and the house were caught up)
Agree. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
the hall is in the care of English Heritage and operated as a tourist attraction --> the hall is in the care of English Heritage and operates as a tourist attraction.
fixed. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
the house has gone, so it's the remaining tower that's in the care of English Heritage
Agree, but I think that's what the sentence says (NB: if I've got the wrong bit and missed something, please say!) Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
the older timber-framed one (hyphen)
Fixed. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I would tweak this sentence: "He was fined by Parliament as a Royalist "delinquent" in 1652, and mortgaged the surrounding manor, but not the hall itself or the lands immediately to the north, for £846 to Sir John Lowther" --> "He was fined by Parliament as a Royalist "delinquent" in 1652, and mortgaged the surrounding manor to Sir John Lowther for £846, but not the hall itself or the lands immediately to the north."
Much better - changed. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
providing an addition service room --> providing an additional service room
Fixed. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
"Few of the original windows survive in the tower, but those that remain are larger than in some of the other older peles". Might be worth clarifying that it doesn't have the slit windows pele towers have. Arrowslit might be appropriate to link to. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:00, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Not so sure about that one. I don't think all pele towers had slit windows. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
That's fine; it's up to you. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 I've put this on hold for now. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Hchc, those changes look fine. It's a very nicely written article, and I enjoyed reading it, so it's good to go. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Fairclough, who is frequently cited in this article, is sceptical that this is a peel tower. The cited source is available online so this article could perhaps be more cautious about Clifton's status as a peel. --Northernhenge (talk) 23:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC)