# Talk:Kaweah River

This was confusing, so I edited it.  The article spoke of a "town" that was not mentioned anywhere in the article, so I edited it out after the following research.  I went to the links and there isn't a town of "Kaweah River" that seems to exist -- there might be a town somewhere in what the link refers to as "Kaweah country" but its name is unclear.  If someone with more knowledge cares to clean this up, that would be welcome . Accounting4Taste 18:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I found a collection of astounding webpages that some willing editors may be able to utilize to expand the article:

Terminus Dam
Geology, Paleontology
Biology
Native Americans
Spanish exploration
American exploration
I might actually use these to expand the page later, when I have the patience... Shannontalk contribs sign!:) 02:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I restored the geobox from the infobox conversion since there are many fields that infobox does not cover: watershed, min/max discharge, elevation, and support for both a map and leading image. Also, the arrangement for the source & mouth coordinates can be more neatly formatted in the geobox, and support inline references.

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Reviewer: Ceranthor (talk · contribs) 17:03, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this. ceranthor 17:03, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Lead
"Fed primarily by high elevation snowmelt" - any mountains in particular?
"With its Middle Fork headwaters arising at almost 13,000 feet (4,000 m) above sea level" - "arising at" reads awkwardly
Otherwise, reads splendidly. One of the best leads I've read in a long time.
All done. Thanks, appreciated! Shannon [ Talk ] 19:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Course
"The Kaweah River originates along the Great Western Divide, a chain of 13,000-foot (4,000 m) peaks in the middle of Sequoia National Park that separates its watershed from the Kern River drainage further east." - what "its" refers to here is unclear; suggest rewording slightly to make that more clear
"The Kaweah River flows southwest, paralleled by Highway 198 in its narrow canyon" - maybe add "to the" or "in a southwestward direction"
Think these all need to be tweaked for grammatical matching: "Mill Creek continues west", "making a wide loop around Visalia before becoming Cross Creek north of Goshen, from where it flows south", "Kaweah River continues southwest", "Cross Creek, which flows south" - these should all be "Xward" or "to the X" (where X is north/south/etc)
"The length of the Kaweah River from the confluence of the Middle and Marble Forks, to the bifurcation at Mill and Packwood Creeks, is 33.6 miles (54.1 km)." - could be rewritten with less verbiage, and with less separation between the subject and main verb ("length... is")
"Mill Creek, the larger of the two distributaries, flows for 25.1 miles (40.4 km) from there west to Cross Creek, for a total distance of 58.7 miles (94.5 km).[2][n 1] " -phrased awkwardly, particularly "from there west to Cross Creek"
Mostly done, I'll check later to see if I missed anything. Shannon [ Talk ] 19:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Natural features and environment
"iconic yellow mariposa lily, Calochortus luteus, which has been specifically noted in the Dry Creek tributary watershed.[20]" - what makes it iconic, and why is that worth mentioning here and in this article in particular?
Looks like the lake picture needs to be shifted down a bit (at least in Chrome browser).
Do you mean the lake picture would look better if moved to this section? Shannon [ Talk ] 23:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I think that would fix the image stacking I see on Chrome. ceranthor 12:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Otherwise fine.
History
"The Kaweah River watershed was originally inhabited by the Yokuts people of the Central Valley," - obviously implied, but worth noting that they're an indigenous people
Otherwise good.
Done Shannon [ Talk ] 17:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
River modifications
"This was important because the capacity of the main channel of the Kaweah River is just 5,500 cubic feet per second (160 m3/s), and even less in its smaller downstream branches;[45]:67–223 however, the river's peak flows can be much higher, with a record of 80,700 cubic feet per second (2,290 m3/s) in the 1955 flood.[46]" - get rid of the semicolon and make this two sentences
Fixed the sentence, you're right it was pretty awkward. Shannon [ Talk ] 02:39, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Recreation
"The majority of people come to visit the Giant Forest, but some also visit the Kaweah River for boating, fishing and swimming" - this statement should probably be supported by a direct citation
Replaced with a statement supported by citation. Shannon [ Talk ] 03:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
"A California fishing license is required for visitors above age 16" - I'd just say "older than", not "above" age 16
Done Shannon [ Talk ] 03:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
References
What makes ref 4 a reliable source?
Done, replaced Shannon [ Talk ] 16:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Is TopoQuest a reliable source?
It should be, right? Since it's basically a portal for viewing USGS topo maps, which I would consider authoritative. Shannon [ Talk ] 19:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
What makes ref 20 a reliable source?
It's part of this series of documents published by the National Park Service. Shannon [ Talk ] 06:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
ref 25 needs a page number.
Why? It's just a single page. Shannon [ Talk ] 23:50, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
same with ref 28. and ref 24.
Should I replace the  with page numbers in the ref? Shannon [ Talk ] 23:50, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
What makes ref 32 a reliable source?
Done, replaced with two new refs. Shannon [ Talk ] 06:25, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
What makes ref 35 36 a reliable source?
Done, replaced Shannon [ Talk ] 02:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
What makes ref 50 51 reliable?
Done, replaced Shannon [ Talk ] 02:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't think summitpost is reliable (ref 54 55). I avoid it at all costs for volcano articles.
ref 55 56 needs publisher/magazine info.
Done Shannon [ Talk ] 06:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
The prose looks good, but the references are a bit concerning here. Let me know if you have further questions. ceranthor 00:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

General
Make sure you use the serial comma consistently (either use it or don't)
@Shannon1: - not sure you saw that I posted comments yet, but they're all above. ceranthor 17:48, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks for the review. I've been mostly off Wikipedia for a while but I will be responding to your comments soon. Shannon [ Talk ] 18:53, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good. Give me a ping when you've addressed them all. ceranthor 02:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Shannon1: Have you finished addressing these? Let me know ASAP please. ceranthor 17:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
@Ceranthor: I'm almost done, except for the references. Still trying to find a couple of alternative sources. I did leave a few questions for you up there. Thanks! Shannon [ Talk ] 17:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
@Shannon1: I think just the one question I had to reply to, otherwise your response cleared it up. Anything left for you to cover? ceranthor 12:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@Ceranthor: I think that was all, actually. Traveling now but I'll be able to edit soon if anything else pops up. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@Shannon1: Great. Happy to pass now. Just try to fix that lake image formatting issue please. ceranthor 17:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I'll go do that right away. Shannon [ Talk ] 17:45, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

This river, based on many of the photos included, appears to now be more of a stream, than a river. How does that get wound into the article to reflect the current reality, rather than posterity? Stevenmitchell (talk) 13:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)