# Talk:Omar Lorméndez Pitalúa

Until the women in question are reliably reported to be under no coercion, we shouldn't be assuming these relationships were voluntary. --valereee (talk) 10:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Just for the record, reliable sources mention they were "romantically involved" after the kidnapping. El Universal stated: "el levanton ... termino en romance" / "the kidnapping ... ended in romance". I'm fine with removing this from the article since it is a sensitive topic. MX (✉ • ✎) 03:17, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
MX, I answered you at dyk talk, and I absolutely trust that you're interpreting the source correctly and would never intentionally misinterpret; I hope I wasn't unclear on that! Thank you for being flexible on this. What I said at DYK talk was I do understand that the Spanish-language sources said something along the lines of "romantically involved" per my reading of a machine translation, but I'm worried there's some not-so-subtle sexism inherent in the situation. Women have been coerced into marriage for as long as powerful men saw those marriages as useful to them. I think we have to take even a reliable source with a grain of salt unless they are directly quoting a woman who is no longer in danger. I know I'm getting dangerously close to OR and synth here. I just think since this woman is still alive, we need to be very careful. --valereee (talk) 10:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
You are absolutely right on this. Thank you for your response. Feel free to copyedit the article more if you think it needs it. I appreciate the feedback. See you around! MX (✉ • ✎) 15:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)