# Talk:César Cielo

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Reviewer: ThaddeusB (talk · contribs) 03:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


### Initial comments
Hello,  I will be doing this review.  Before, I conduct a more thorough review, I have a few comments.  First, the article appears to be full referenced and sufficient thorough without going into unnecessary details.  In others, it meets the main content requirements.  It is, however, lacking in its use of English.  I assume this is because the article has been primarily worked on by people whose first language is not English (such as Brazilians).  I will be happy to aid in improving the language as needed, but would like to see a careful copyedit attempt first.  
Second, most of the material in the "personal" section is about drug tests.  That is directly relevant to Cielo's swimming career and thus should be integrated into the career sections.
Let me know when thus two items are taken care of and I'll proceed with a more formal review. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I transferred the drug tests for carrer section. On the use of more advanced English, I have some difficulty to understand what kind of linguistic improvement you would like me to apply without getting unnecessary details. I'd really like some help in this direction. My English is not really very thorough, and I do not want to put too much runaround in the text. Rauzaruku (talk) 10:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I made some extensions. If you could point me where you would like to see a more developed prose, I would appreciate it. I understand that this article have a good amount of paragraphs with considerably developed prose. The Michael Phelps article is GA and I don't see a prose with so different development. Rauzaruku (talk) 16:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Your instinct not to add details is correct.  It is a question of strange wording in places, not missing information.  There are a number of run on sentences that would be best broken up:
example: "In the 2009 US World Championships Trials, in Indianapolis, at the 50m free event, Cielo made 21s14 at the B final (he could not participate in the A final by not being American), achieving the fastest time among all competitors, beating the Americas record, and getting just 0.20 seconds to beat the Frédérick Bousquet's world record, obtaining the 2nd fastest time in the event's history, for the 2nd time in his career."
This should be something like: "At the 2009 US World Championships Trials, in Indianapolis Cielo swam 21s14 in the B final of the 50m freestyle (the A final was limited to Americans).  His time was the fastest time among all competitors, and set a new Americas record.  It was also the 2nd fastest time in the event's history, 0.20 seconds behind Frédérick Bousquet's world record."
"the" shouldn't appear before people's name (as above).  Here's another example:
"The Brazilian team suffered disqualification, but the Cielo's record was homologated"
This should something like "The Brazilian team was disqualified, but Cielo's record was allowed to stand." ("homologated" is not a word a native speaker would use outside of technical contexts.)
there are many instances where the wrong verb tense or wrong pronoun is used.
example of both: "It was hoped that he also won gold in the 50 and 100m freestyle due to the great performance at the World Championships in Rome 2009, however, he won the silver in the 50m freestyle, and bronze in the 100m freestyle. After the contest, when interviewed, said that there could have been some flaw in your training program, which would result in lack of resistance during the events."
This should be "He hoped to also win gold in the 50 and 100m freestyle, but settled for silver in the 50m freestyle, and bronze in the 100m freestyle.  After the contest, when interviewed, he said that there could have been some flaw in his training program, resulting in a lack of stamina." ("resistance" is the wrong word for what you are trying to say.)
I will put in a request for a third party to copyedit the article, since I would feel uncomfortable reviewing it after putting in extensive prose work.  If you know or can find someone to who would be interested in helping to copyedit, please recruit them.--ThaddeusB (talk) 18:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I did these changes you suggested. As my native language is not English, I have no condition to realize this type of error. If no one shows up, I would like to request if you could make a grammar copyedit. I know that, in 30 minutes, any English native speaker can make all the grammar of the text be correct.Rauzaruku (talk) 20:00, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
User:APerson promised me some help. Rauzaruku (talk) 00:50, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
ThaddeusB, I do copyedits for WP:GOCE and will work on the language and grammar for this article.  I have other responsibilities and I request that the deadline be extended for an additional 10 days for my work. I'll use the {{GOCEinuse}} template while I'm editing the article so you'll know not to edit it while I'm in the middle of making changes. - tucoxn\talk 00:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I've edited the first three sections but I will probably be leaving for the weekend soon and won't get to continue until sometime next week. Looking at the page's history, you can see it takes some time to do a good job with this. After the copyedits are finished, I strongly suggest that you go through the article and remove the duplicate wikilinks per WP:REPEATLINK: there are a lot of duplicate wikilinks. You can use the script at User:Ucucha/duplinks to help you find the duplicate wikilinks. I'm still requesting the extension, since I believe that there is WP:NORUSH (haven't heard from ThaddeusB yet) and I will continue to work on it after I return. - tucoxn\talk 21:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I am happy to give you as long as needed to make the copyedits.  Doing a good job is much more important than being quick. :)  Thanks for helping! --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
The copyedit is complete. Thank you for your patience. Again, I recommend removing the duplicate wikilinks. - tucoxn\talk 10:15, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Duplicate wikilinks removed! Rauzaruku (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Thaddeus hasn't edited in a month, so I'll take a look through to see if there's any remaining issues. Wizardman 15:19, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Post copy edit I don't see any further red flags, so I'm going to close and pass this. Wizardman 15:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Wizardman for taking care of this in my absence. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:23, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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