# Talk:Kate Beckinsale

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Kathryn "Kate" Bailey Beckinsale and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 26#Kathryn "Kate" Bailey Beckinsale until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Schazjmd (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Her middle name is Romany, not Romary. It was supposed to be Gypsy but then her parents agreed on Romany. Es8989 (talk) 15:14, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kate-beckinsale-reveals-gypsy-164800930.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavel2803 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 22 February 2022 (UTC) 

That seems like a reasonable source, but we apparently have a contradictory source according to this thread in the talk archives.  The link that 2012 discussion references, [1], doesn't seem to be available anymore. It's possible that a birth record/Ancestry.com record was incorrectly transcribed.  Given that the Yahoo article quotes the subject, I'm leaning toward "Romany" per Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Self-published_sources (if Beckinsale says it's Romany, why shouldn't we believe her?) User:All Hallow's Wraith, any thoughts on this?  OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:00, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
https://www.geni.com/people/Kate-Beckinsale/6000000046132070206 I believe after the actress post more sites will correct her name talk
https://www.quora.com/Who-is-Kate-Beckinsale?share=1 talk  — Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 22 February 2022 (UTC) 

Neither or those sources meet WP:RS guidelines. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Well, I understand, however, what better resources we have (if any) than the statement of the actress herself on her recent Instagram post?
It would be at least wise to warn about this factual inconsitency on the Wikipedia page, because this way Wikipedia provides false information
which inevitably floods the Internet. I would find not ideal if Wikipedia provides my wrong name and I even can not fix it. I did just quick 
search of Internet as I do not have too much time, but I know it is an issue and perhaps someone who blocks corrections and is in charge of
the page should do a through research about the issue.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavel2803 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC) 
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000295/bio
https://www.britannica.com/facts/Kate-Beckinsale  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavel2803 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC) 
That's best I can do now. Wish you good luck. Pavel2803

I've updated the article with the Instagram Yahoo! source (which is really just repeating what Beckinsale said in her own Instagram post); all of the WP:SELFSOURCE criteria appear to be met here. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:01, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Kate beckinsale middle name is Romany and not Romary she even mentions her middle name on her official Instagram page on a post could you please correct this to her proper middle name Romany thank you. Mark5342abc (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

You need to provide a reliable source supporting your change. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
Shooting Fish is not a costume drama. Jack Upland (talk) 06:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Remove the portion of the sentence "the Paramount+ series" from the article. It is subversive advertising to draw interest towards a Paramount+ subscription. If Wikipedia truly claims to be advertisement free, sentences do not need to indicate where a series may be found, only that the actors played a role in it. 64.227.210.33 (talk) 03:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done Per Guilty Party (TV series) this is indeed a Paramount+ streaming series, but since we don't list studios for her many films I agree that we don't need to mention the streaming service. As with the films the reader can follow the links to find out who created what. Meters (talk) 04:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
For the same reason I have removed the iTV mention. Meters (talk) 04:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Many pages mention the streaming service a show is on. That's not advertising, subversive or otherwise. Also, the show hasn't been on Paramount+ for a long time. 99.23.37.58 (talk) 04:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I removed it because we did not need the information, not because I agreed that it weas "subversive". Meters (talk) 04:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Alright, then. I don't see any reason not to include it given that the streaming service is usually noted (see the pages for Andor, For All Mankind, or Outer Range, for instance), but I also don't have a strong opinion about it. 99.23.37.58 (talk) 06:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

To remove:

Per IMDb, Laura Harris voiced Selene in Underworld: Endless War (2011); Kate's not listed in the cast.
I watched Vacancy 2: The First Cut (2008) and checked it for Kate's supposed appearance via archival footage. It doesn't exist (and isn't mentioned on IMDb nor any other source beyond Wikipedia, without citation).
To add:
Documentary appearances (to add to the television table):

This Is Your Life S18E01 - "Richard Beckinsale" (1977)
The Unforgettable Richard Beckinsale (2000)
Rising Damp Forever (2016)
Dynamo Is Dead (2023) and Dynamo Is Dead: Extras S01E06 - "Kate Beckinsale Extended Cut" (2023)
Audio (the "radio" table could be changed to "audio"):

Solo "The Little American (Marie-Louise)" and duet with Yann Collette "La Petite Américaine" on the Marie Louise ou la permission (1995) soundtrack composed by Alexandre Desplat.
Folk song "Father, Father, Build Me a Boat" - duet with Raymond Coulthard in Emma (1996).
Abridged narration of Rachel Billington's Emma & Knightley: Perfect Happiness in Highbury (1996).
Unabridged narration of Joan Stimson's Bold Little Tiger (1997).
John Newton's "Amazing Grace" (1779) in The Last Days of Disco (1998).
2018 unabridged narration of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice (1813).
(Also note that her 1997 reading of Emma is abridged, her 1997 reading of "The Proposal" is unabridged, and the 1997 recording of Romeo and Juliet in which she plays Juliet Capulet is unabridged.)
Videogames:

Queen Ayrenn in The Elder Scrolls Online: Summerset (2018).
Stage (the year each play was first performed might be added, as well):

Nina in a 1995 production of Anton Chekov's The Seagull (1896).
Toni in a 1996 production of Nick Grosso's Sweetheart (1996).
Anne in a 1996 production of Samuel Adamson's Clocks and Whistles (1996).
An unknown role in a 1996 production of Faithless.
Sorel Bliss in a 1996 production of Noël Coward's Hay Fever (1925).
Skits:

"Bruno Mars Soap Opera" on The Late Late Show With James Corden S05E90
Advertisements (a table could be added):

"Denim Invasion" is the title of the 2002 Gap commercial with Orlando Bloom.
"Tingle" is the title of the 2004 Diet Coke commercial.
Lux shampoo (1) (2006 or earlier)
Lux shampoo (2) (2006 or earlier)
Dice Dreams - "Is Kate Beckinsale Really a Thief?" (2024)
Dice Dreams - "Things Escalated Quickly for Kate Beckinsale..." (2024)
Dice Dreams - "Wanna Be Kate Beckinsale's Friend? Think Again! She'll Steal All Your Money!" (2024)
Dice Dreams - "Kate Beckinsale's Secret Revealed!" (2024)
Dice Dreams - "Kate Beckinsale Steals From Her Friends... On Dice Dreams" (2024)
Dice Dreams - "Can You Believe Kate Beckinsale's Daughter?!" (2024)
Dice Dreams - "This Just In: Kate Beckinsale Is in Love... With Dice Dreams" (2024)
To change:

"Rachel's Dream," "The Proposal," and "Republicans, Get in My Vagina" are short works and so should be in quotations marks rather than being italicized. "Rachel's Dream" is also an episode in an anthology (Video Fantasies) and so should be in quotation marks for that reason, as well.

99.23.37.58 (talk) 07:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm deactivating this because it appears you later created the account Cryogenator and did it yourself. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Article states her ethnicity as English, however she has a Burmese father, safer to state nationality, which is British 90.84.127.70 (talk) 19:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

She appeared in Last Days of Disco in 1998. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120728/ Asherno (talk) 04:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

And we already mention it in the article, in more than one place. Meters (talk) 07:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
But not in the Filmography.  I don't feel comfortable making the edit myself because of the special formatting.  Asherno (talk) 15:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
And the page is not protected, so you can make whatever edit you want yourself. Meters (talk) 08:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Two editors have removed the section I added last year to her filmography, listing her advertising credits. Both of them have expressed an opposition to advertising in general, and one's edit history seems to suggest a support for communism, so I believe these edits are ideologically biased. I included them in the process of assembling the most complete possible filmography, during the course of which I also added other obscure credits (including documentary, web, and audio credits). 
I also note that some of the same advertising credits I included in the table I added have been mentioned for many years under "Modelling" at the end of "Career," and that this passage has gone unchallenged even by the editors who removed my addition. Meters directed me to seek consensus regarding the continued inclusion of this section which I believe is in the interest of the most complete possible filmography and, as far as I am aware, does not violate any Wikipedia policy (including undue weight, as I positioned it at the very bottom of the filmography and simply listed the credits without commentary).
Completeness in listing of performances is the sole intent here. ~ Cryogenator (talk) 08:06, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

It's actually three editors, not two, who have removed the material: user:Indopug; user:CAVincent; and me.
You wrote both editors who removed that section have an ideological opposition to advertising in general indicated on their pages, and one of them seems to support communism, so I think these are biased edits. As I previously said on your talk page, I consider the mention of communism to be irrelevant. user:Indopug simply lists The Communist Manifesto as one of several articles to be expanded. So what? And I don't see any evidence that they are particularly opposed to advertising. Again, I see that as a personal  attack and I ask you to retract. You are virtually a WP:SPA on the subject of Beckinsale and her family, but I accepted your statement that you don't have a WP:COI. You seem to be basing your claims of biased editing with even less justification.
We don't have policies prohibiting mentioning every last detail about a subject, but that doesn't mean we should do so. A case can be made for mentioning any major ad campaign where Beckinsale was the face of the product and the campaign, and the campaign (and Beckinsale's part in it) received independent coverage, but a majority of the ads mentioned do not seem to qualify. We don't have sources for the existence of most of the ads, let alone that these were major campaigns with Beckinsale being a large part of the campaigns, and that there was significant independent coverage. We don't even know when the supposed LUX ads came out.
This issue is discussed more than once on the WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers WT:FILMBIO archives. WP:INDISCRIMINATE is mentioned, and I don't see much support for exhaustive listing of ads. I think user:MarnetteD's 2011 comments in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Actors_and_Filmmakers/Archive_7#Courtesy_notice:_suggestion_via_e-mail are on the money, mentioning concerns with notability, dating, and sourcing. Meters (talk) 04:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
Forgot to link the useful discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Actors_and_Filmmakers/Archive_13#Listing_Commercials_in_a_Filmography Meters (talk) 04:50, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
Adding two cents re: Cryogenator pointing to the Modelling section. It is of course true that advertising campaigns involving models and actors/actresses occasionally generate independent third-party coverage in reliable sources. For particularly iconic ads and ad campaigns, there may even be a significant amount of such coverage. I have no problem including these, again when there is independent WP:RS coverage and it is not WP:UNDUE. In that Modelling section, we have a few high quality sources like Vogue and the BBC for things mentioned in passing and placed within a larger context. I'd consider this totally fine. Just making a list of advertisements without even an effort to establish such coverage should be discouraged on multiple grounds. Claiming to be adding these in the interest of "completeness" of "filmography" is silly. Should we also list every talk show appearance? There are surely many, and it would be equally relevant. Also, disappointed if I'm not the suspected Commie. (Accusations of ideological bias in an article on Kate Beckinsale are obviously also silly, but I have read a fair amount of Marx so there's that.) CAVincent (talk) 05:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
Why shouldn't talk show appearances be listed? IMDb lists them. ~ Cryogenator (talk) 09:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
We're discussing your attempt to list all of Beckinsale's advertising spots. Talk show appearances have nothing to do with this. Meters (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
Ah, I see CAVincent raised talk show spots as another example of unneeded trivia. It's irrelevant if IMDB mentions her talk show appearances (which I have not bothered to verify). IMDB is a user-generated site and thus is not considered to be a reliable source, and even if it were reliable, it would be WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Again, we don't need to mention everything about her. Actors appear on talk shows... the host gets to  rub elbows with the upcoming or the already famous, and the actors get some free publicity for their latest project. Everyone's happy, but it's not something we need to list in Wikipedia. Famous actors get pursued by the paparazzi too, but we don't mention every time a photo of one gets published in a tabloid or Hollywood gossip magazine, or whenever they get mentioned on TMZ or ETalk, or the like. Meters (talk) 05:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Similarly to the above thread, User:Cryogenator added this material, and restored it each time it was removed by myself, user:Indopug, and user:CAVincent. When it was first added more than one year ago it was challenged as being unsourced, and WP:OR [2], and restored with sources [3], but having now looked at those sources I find many of the claims are still improperly sourced. Some of the links are dead, and many are simply unreliable database entries or social media posts that simply confirm that Beckinsale was in the projects, not the detailed claims about what formats the various productions are or are not are available in. Recently this material has been removed multiple times as part of the removal discussed in the above thread.
So, most (if not all) of these detailed availability claims are unsourced, or at least not reliably sourced, and even if they were properly sourced, I agree with the other two editors that this material is not needed in the article. Meters (talk) 03:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@Cryogenator: since my initial ping failed. Meters (talk) 02:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)