# Talk:Landmark (hotel and casino)

I've seen both 1990 and 1991 for closing dates.  Also, the LVSun reports (in ref) opening to have occured on July2, 1969 (not July 1, 1969).   Guy M | Talk  16:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

"Landmark Hotel" is the name most commonly used in the sources cited in the article. Only 15 sources call it "Landmark Hotel and Casino", and two call it "Landmark Hotel & Casino". None of the sources call it "The Landmark Hotel and Casino". Sources also frequently refer to it as just "Landmark", and since Landmark Hotel is a disambiguation page, perhaps "Landmark (hotel and casino)" would be the best title.  AJFU  (talk) 16:07, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this. Bellagio's article name is also just Bellagio (resort), so this will set a precedent. Roif456 (talk) 11:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello @Prisencolin: WP:NATURAL reads that we can use an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names. "Landmark Hotel & Casino" seems obscure, only being mentioned in two reliable sources out of nearly 300 cited in the article. "Landmark" is most commonly used, so "Landmark (hotel and casino)" seemed best, as it adequately describes what it is. I guess "Landmark Hotel (Las Vegas)" could also work.  AJFU  (talk) 13:46, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@AJFU: Maybe that's true, but it's confusing how the logo implies the name is "Landmark Hotel & Casino" without any parentheses.--Prisencolin (talk) 02:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Casino logos don't always match with the actual name, as they occasionally will use some variation of the main name, which does lead to some confusion on Wikipedia. Also, there are some cases where not everything in a logo is meant to be part of the name. For example, the CasaBlanca Resort logo reads "CasaBlanca Resort Casino Golf Spa," but that's obviously not the full name. Those are amenities that are being included in the logo for marketing purposes. Same as with the Green Valley Ranch logo. As for the Landmark logo, it reads in its entirety "Landmark hotel and casino Las Vegas," but Las Vegas clearly isn't part of the name. The logo is simply advertising to people what "Landmark" is (a "hotel and casino" in "Las Vegas"). Note also that the Landmark logo uses "and", not "&", so the "Hotel & Casino" renaming doesn't even match the logo. Anyway, I don't think we go off of logos to determine a common name. We go by reliable sources, and the sources cited here rarely use "Hotel and Casino"/"Hotel & Casino". This is further supported by search results on Newslibrary:
"Landmark Hotel & Casino" - 107 results
"Landmark Hotel and Casino" - 72 results
"Landmark Hotel" "Vegas" - 936 results
On Newspapers.com, I got the following search results:
"Landmark Hotel & Casino" - 316 results
"Landmark Hotel and Casino" - 1,684 results
"Landmark Hotel" "Vegas" - 14,076 results
Both "Landmark" and "Landmark Hotel" are most commonly used, so it seems to me that we should either move this back to Landmark (hotel and casino) or rename it Landmark Hotel (Las Vegas).  AJFU  (talk) 14:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
@Prisencolin: Do you have any further comments on this? Would you object to moving the page back to its previous name? That name appeared to have consensus, going unchallenged for six months.  AJFU  (talk) 14:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Looks like the numbers check out. If the consensus is to move it back to the old name, then it should be moved.--Prisencolin (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Okay. I'll wait another week before moving it back, in case anyone else has any comments on this.  AJFU  (talk) 13:43, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
For anyone who is interested, the article had over 14,000 page views while it was known as "Landmark (hotel and casino)", and no one during that six-month period raised any concerns about the title. Also, I realized that some of the above search results for "Landmark Hotel and Casino" are obviously for news articles that refer to it in lowercase as the "Landmark hotel and casino," without actually using it as a name. Furthermore, I looked through some of the search results on Newslibrary and found some irrelevant matches. For instance, some portion of those results are actually about a Landmark Hotel and Casino that was proposed in Iowa around 2004. Also, the search results for "Landmark Hotel & Casino" brought up matches for "Landmark hotel-casino" and "Landmark hotel/casino", but I didn't actually see any results that included an ampersand in the name. Furthermore, a lot of these results are in reference to famous hotels that are being described as a "landmark hotel", like Binion's or Caesars Palace. One news article reports that "a small fire broke out at the Lisboa Casino, a landmark hotel and casino complex in the Portuguese enclave." To sum things up, the "Landmark Hotel & Casino"/"Hotel and Casino" name is even more obscure than I previously realized.  AJFU  (talk) 13:43, 24 April 2020 (UTC)