# Talk:Eleanor Glanville

Currently described as "eccentric". As this was the basis her relatives used to deprive her of liberty and wealth, and the term would not necessarily be used to describe male entomologists of the same period, it seems sexist & unnecessarily pejorative. There is a good account of her in The Aurelians. Semudobia (talk) 12:18, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Agreed! I've expanded/rewritten the article with content from The Aurelian Legacy, among other sources, and it should be clearer that Glanville's perceived "eccentricity" was primarily a weapon used in the legal overturning of her will. Alanna the Brave (talk) 14:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kj cheetham: Can you provide some insight into how you think the lead should be adjusted? I'm aware it's longer than some leads, but MOS:LEADLENGTH offers only suggestions for lead length (not hard rules), and MOS:DONTTEASE states the lead's purpose "is to summarize the article, not just introduce it". I've done my best to summarize the main points of the article. Thanks, Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, It's quite subjective, but I was going by MOS:LEADLENGTH saying 1 or 2 paragraphs as it's under 15000 characters overall. Also based on the overall length of the lede compared to the rest of the article down to "See also". I can't offer advice on what to take out of it though really. -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
@Kj cheetham I see where you're coming from, but I would have to note again that those MOS:LEADLENGTH guidelines are quite explicitly presented as suggestions, not rules. The lead has to serve as a clear, concise summary of the article's main text, regardless of how long the article is. If you don't currently have specific concerns about the lead (e.g., unnecessary content or really wordy writing), then I don't think the cleanup tag is serving much of a purpose here (I can't fix a problem if there's no clear problem). Alanna the Brave (talk) 21:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Apologies for my delay on responding. I still think it *might* be *slightly* long, but it's not excessively long and given I can't suggest ways to shorten it myself I've removed the tag. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you Kj cheetham -- I appreciate it. I've condensed the lead's wordcount by about 10%, so it's a little bit shorter now, at least. Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)