# Talk:Hurricane Emily (2005)

Shorter intro, more structure (subsections). Jdorje 03:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Corpus Christi, TX report - If not done so, this should be included. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Also to do

Change units to be metric first, since most of the areas affected use metric primarily
Make units rounded when the base unit is rounded
More Jamaica (number of houses damaged islandwide? power outages?)
Cuba impacts? Belize?
Split Carib into Lesser and Greater Antilles like it is in the preparations
Mexican aftermath
♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  01:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

The intro (and numerous other places) say that Emily broke dennis's nine-day-old record for July intensity.  But such a claim of precision is very dubious. Dennis reached 150 mph/938 mbar on July 8 at 1200 UTC breaking Audrey's record (145 mph/946 mbar) then.  However, it reached peak strength 140 mph/929 mbar on July 10 at 1200 UTC in the Gulf.  Thus Dennis broke Audrey's record on the 8th and then broke its own record on the 10th.  Emily broke Dennis's record reaching 155/929 on the 16th (pending TCR).  I changed the wording in the intro to "just six days before" but it might be safer to be a little more fuzzy with "less than two weeks earlier". — jdorje (talk) 18:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have a source for the correct estimate? It looks like the number in the infobox was taken from the estimate for Mexico alone. I was hoping the TCR would clear this up, but it hasn't. ETA: I changed the casualty figures to agree with what was in the TCR. Feel free to add a citation, although I didn't feel the need to since we are not doing this for all storms. Good kitty 22:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I know that Mexico was around $400M and Grenada was $110M. Since there was some damage elsewhere as well (Texas, Jamaica, several other islands of the Windwards), I think the actual number is in the $550-600M range. CrazyC83 23:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
At one point, back when the article was very incomplete, the infobox listed something like $600 million but the main article only listed a small fraction of that (adding mexico and grenada together), so I changed the infobox.  Of course we should attempt to find the best possible estimates for each area and then just add them together to get the total - having a table here might be of some use. — jdorje (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I believe the Texas damage estimates cited are both contradictory and dubious.  The article states that there was "no significant structural damage," but then immediately afterward states that "several homes were destroyed."  Are destroyed homes not significant structural damage?  Building damages in Texas are subsequentlky estimated at $125,000.  Again, if "several" homes were actually destroyed, the damages would almost certainly be well in excess of $125,000, even in the poor Rio Grande Valley area of south Texas.  Finally, the $178 million figure for south Texas crop losses is surely overstated.  Such massive losses would have devestated agriculture in the Rio Grande Valley.  Original sources may have provided these figures and information; but they are inaccurate nonetheless.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.90.86 (talk) 01:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC) 

Since the name wasn't retired, should we abolish the redirect? I am not sure about this, so others should have their say. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean? There will need to be major work done, to change all the Hurricane Emily links to Hurricane Emily (2005), because of this surprise (the biggest surprise since Gordon in 1994). Until that is all done, we should keep the main article as the redirect here. CrazyC83 02:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I think it is fine either way.  I also think it would be fine with 2005's Emily having the main name. — jdorje (talk) 04:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Luckily I had a day off work and needed something to do... so I changed as many Hurricane Emily links as I could find (not on people's talk pages, just main articles) to Hurricane Emily (2005). Just go to the Hurricane Emily redirect page and click "What links here" in the toolbox on the side.  That's how I found the links that needed changing. PenguinCDF 14:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
As I see it we have two choices.

Redirect Hurricane Emily to the disambiguation page, or simply move the disambiguation there.
Keep the 2005 storm under Hurricane Emily, since it is undoubtedly the most notable Hurricane Emily to date and therefore by wikiproject practices may get the main article name.  Hurricane Emily (2005) would of course remain as a redirect.
The current method of redirecting Hurricane Emily to this article is bad.  If we're going to do that we should just give this article the main name.  However I do realize there's a lot of links to be fixed before we change the redirect. — jdorje (talk) 02:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tropical_cyclones#Tropical_cyclone_article_naming.  This may naturally need some revision after the current discussion as it's never been challenged before. — jdorje (talk) 02:40, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd support keeping this article at the main name, unless/until? another Cat 5 Emily comes along. NSLE (T+C) at 04:55 UTC (2006-04-08)
At least altering the links is straightforward enough see Special:Whatlinkshere/Hurricane Emily (2005). Whether this storm gets Emily or Emily (2005), all the links (at least those in articles) should point to the article. Nilfanion 10:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Considering Emily won't be used for another 6 years, I think it should be at Hurricane Emily, without the year. Hurricanehink 13:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Since the 1987 and 1993 Emilies also have articles, the main article should be the disambiguation page once all redirecting is complete. CrazyC83 22:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Agreed.  The main article should be the disambiguation page, and the articles should all carry years.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The only links to Emily which redirect from the main page to (2005) are in userspace, WP pages or talk pages - none from articles. If Emily is moved back to the main page, redirects through (2005) arent harmful are they? Nilfanion 22:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Is the damage estimate for Grenada for the insured damage, or is total damages? Let me know soon okay.--Lionheart Omega 15:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The storm history section is nicely written, but I'm concerned with the patchiness of the impact section. By my count there are four paragraphs that contain only one sentence, and another two paragraphs that contain only two. It gives the impression that you're trying to stretch a limited amount of information further than it can confortably be stretched. Can you edit this section so that it flows a bit more naturally, and perhaps add a few more details? MLilburne 11:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; it looks a lot better. I have made a couple of small changes myself and will pass the article. MLilburne 17:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 03:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

This warrants inclusion: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2005/jul/emily-satellite.gif Plasticup T/C 03:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

This section is for the cumulative fatalities and damages which will be listed by country.

Overall
17 deaths (14 direct, 3 indirect), 1 missing
$1.014 billion (round to $1 billion)
Grenada
1 direct death
$110.4 million
Jamaica
5 direct deaths ("Freak" accident that killed a mother, her two children and two police officers trying to rescue them; all were swept off a 70ft cliff)
J$5.98 billion (for Dennis and Emily; minus $32 million for Dennis stated in TCR gives $65 million)
Haiti
5 direct deaths, 1 missing (All 5 drowned)
Honduras
1 direct death (Drowned)
Mexico

5 deaths (2 direct, 3 indirect)
8.871 billion pesos ($834.3 million)
Quintana Roo
1.11 billion pesos ($104.3 million)
3 indirect deaths (2 from helicopter crash, 1 from electrocution)
Yucatan
1.02 billion pesos ($95.9 million)
Nuevo Leon
726.5 million pesos ($68.3 million)
1 direct death (Drowned)
Tamaulipas
1.53 billion pesos ($143.9 million)
1 direct death (Drowned)
PEMEX (oil)
4.484 billion pesos ($424.7 million)
United States
$125,000 in structural damage [1] [2]
$4.7 million in crop losses
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More needs to be reported on Emily's significance and the changes that she brought to South Texas.  Damage was not as high as in the past, but she brought changes that linger to this day and have become a part of family lore for hundreds of thousands of Texans.  No one will ever forget Emily, but we may forgive, as time goes by.  Meanwhile, the next generations should be made aware of the storm's incredible impact and significance on our daily lives, even today.  169.252.4.21 (talk) 08:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)HWatcher
Dude, I think you are the only person in Texas who will "never forget" Emily, it was not a particularly bad storm, and it is not a part of "family lore" for hundreds of thousands of people in Texas. Come on!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.252.4.21 (talk) 13:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC) 

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Meteo journals/papers
Intense Convection Observed by NASA ER-2 in Hurricane Emily (2005)
Diagnosis of the Initial and Forecast Errors in the Numerical Simulation of the Rapid Intensification of Hurricane Emily (2005)
The Impact of the Amazon–Orinoco River Plume on Enthalpy Flux and Air–Sea Interaction within Caribbean Sea Tropical Cyclones
Sensitivity of Numerical Simulation of Early Rapid Intensification of Hurricane Emily (2005) to Cloud Microphysical and Planetary Boundary Layer Parameterizations
Conditions Influencing Hurricane Emily's (2005) Precipitation Patterns, Convection and Upper Tropospheric Outflow
Effects of the Madden Julian Oscillation on the Cyclogenesis of Hurricane Fausto (2002) and Hurricane Emily (2005)
Impact of MODIS and AIRS total precipitable water on modifying the vertical shear and Hurricane Emily simulations
A comparison of the tropical disturbances that spawned Hurricanes Dennis, Emily, Katrina
Resumen del Hurácan "Emily" del Océano Atlántico (in Spanish)
Other Journals
Effects of Hurricanes Emily and Wilma on coral reefs in Cozumel, Mexico (paid access only)
The landslide disasters induced by the precipitation with Hurricane Emily in July 2005 at the cities of San Pedro and Monterrey along the mountain range of Sierra Madre Oriental, Nuevo Leon, Mexico (in Japanese)
Spider Monkeys (Ateles geoffroyi yucatenensis) Cope with the Negative Consequences of Hurricanes Through Changes in Diet, Activity Budget, and Fission–Fusion Dynamics (paid access only)
Damage and recovery of forest structure and composition after two subsequent hurricanes in the Yucatan Peninsula (paid access only)
Grenada
Grenada: Macro-Socio-Economic Assessment of the Damage caused by Hurricane Emily July 14th, 2005
Mexico
Características e impacto socioeconómico del huracán Emily en Quintana Roo, Yucatán, Tamaulipas y Nuevo León en Julio de 2005 (in Spanish, paid access only)
~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:44, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

@EF5: - overall this is a nice review of a high-quality article. Could you confirm that you spot-checked some of the references to make sure they verify? Thanks! —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @EF5, as per Ganesha811's above comment, can you please confirm whether you did a spot check? I see you are claiming this for WikiCup points as well, and a spotcheck is required per both the GAN rules and the WikiCup rules. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Ah, I must not have gotten the first ping. Sure, should I pick out random ones and list them, or…? EF5 13:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, that would work. Epicgenius (talk) 15:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Okay, here's some random sources:
[17] (WU) - October 17-19, 1997: Super Typhoons Ivan and Joan in the Northwest Pacific in the source backs up the "marking the first time since Typhoons Ivan and Joan in 1997 when two tropical cyclones of Category 5 strength existed simultaneously in the Northern Hemisphere." that it is cited to.
[25] (Naples Daily News) - many Islanders still have no roofs and left few buildings viable as shelters in the source backs up the "This left fewer buildings as reliable shelters and many homes without roofs by the arrival of Emily." that it is cited  to.
[42] (ReliefWeb) - The Office of Disaster Preparedness and Emergency Management (ODPEM) is reporting that there are approximately 3,269 persons in 79 shelters across the island. in the source backs up the "Upon the onset of the storm, a total of 3,269 people were utilizing public shelters." that it is cited to.
[89] (CMO) - however, only near-gale strength was recorded at one station in that area.  in the source backs up the "Despite its intensity, Emily only produced gale-force winds at one location in southwestern Jamaica." that it is cited to, although in the following sentence in the source it goes mention gale-force winds in a bay.
[101]/[102] (NOAA) - County/Area - JIM WELLS, County/Area - LIVE OAK in the sources back up the "A tornado touched down in open fields of Jim Wells County, which crossed into Duval County, remaining on the ground for about 6.4 km (4 mi). The twister damaged a few houses."  and "Another tornado touched down in rural parts of Jim Wells County, which crossed into Live Oak County." in the article.
[4] (NWS) - I did find one innacuracy that I forgot to mention here, source 4 only states that "A total of eight tornadoes were reported in southeastern Texas, causing minor damage but no casualties.", which contradicts "Emily's rainbands spawned at least nine tornadoes across southern Texas" in the article. Pinging @Hurricanehink: for the fix, and @Ganesha811: and @Epicgenius:. I hope this suffices, feel free to let me know if I need more examples to give. :) EF5 19:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
It definitely suffices for the GA backlog drive, thanks! In the future, you can list them out in full, as you did here, or just say "Checked sources #s X, Y, Z, and Z1, all verified" or similar. Spot checking is pretty flexible. —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Seems good to me as well. I agree with what Ganesha says regarding spotchecks, you can just mention the source numbers you checked, or list in detail each of the sources that you checked. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Regarding the tornado count, I realize the NHC said eight tornadoes, but NCDC clearly identifies nine tornadoes. There's the F1 that was in Jim Wells/Duval county, an F0 that went from Jim Wells to Duval County, an F0 that went from Jim Wells to Live Oak County, and ones in Cameron, Hidalgo, Jim Hogg, San Patricio, Webb, and Zapata. That's nine. I'm guessing the one in Cameron, which was media-reported, might not have been included in the TCR. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  19:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)