# Talk:God of War Ragnarök

I have question, I am still very confused that they still don't know if the God of War: Ragnarök is a DLC of God of War (2018 video game) or sequel of God of War (2018 video game)?

It's a sequel. Barlog already confirmed that there would be no DLC for the 2018 game (DLC would have already released for it if so, not 3 years later). --JDC808 ♫ 17:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
It is said that "God of war Ragnarök" is a sequel and not a dlc, Akj2003 (talk) 04:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Per the actual presentation, and this post on the PS Blog, the title hasn't actually been confirmed as God of War: Ragnarok. It appears publications are making that assumption, given the use of the term in the teaser, which simply stated "Ragnarok is coming". - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Agreed! At no point has Sony or Santa Monica Studio confirmed the game's title. Poklane 02:16, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
@Poklane: Are you just being a troll? If a discussion is made about moving a page, don't move it until there's a consensus. Secondly, it should have been moved to the article title that Favre1fan93 posted, not what you moved it to, which looks like a complete troll move because you also went through this article and the franchise article and titled it as "New God of War title". Like, really? That is in no way, shape, or form a tentative title. --JDC808 ♫ 05:22, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
@JDC808: Are you just being a troll or braindead? First of all, whether the page should be moved isn't even a real discussion since the Ragnarok name is only used by gaming media, nobody connected to the project has referred to it as "Ragnarok". Second, "A new God of War title" is what Sony called the project in their press release and as such it makes perfect sense. Third, get off your high horse while you're calling people names for no good reason. Poklane 14:51, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
@Poklane: No, when someone starts a discussion, you discuss. That's how Wikipedia works. Secondly, no, it made absolutely zero sense to move it to that title. What you did was similar to that of non-malicious silly vandalism (which is why I questioned your intent). Also, no, Sony did not call it "a new God of War title," they were saying/confirming that there is a new God of War title coming to PS5 (you made it sound as if that is in fact the tentative title). --JDC808 ♫ 16:18, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

There is, as of today, no official confirmation that the next God of War title is coming to PS4. All we know is that it was announced for PS5 during the most recent PS5 event.
Please refrain from adding PS4 to the list of supported platforms unless Sony confirm it to be the case. Kronix1986 (talk) 12:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

People trying to add DISPLAYTITLE and change the name within the article is getting old.
There are 3 good options I can think of:
An edit-notice that alerts people NOT to change the name without providing a reliable source.
Semi-protection for a month.
Pending-changes protection for a month.
I'd like to try the first one first but want to get community input.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

I've again just submitted an WP:RPP request, after my request the other day was declined. Hopefully this one will be fulfilled. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
OK, I put a link to here on that request.  You may not get page protection right away but you should get awareness and increased administrative scrutiny for the page if nothing else.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
I've also put a post at the video game project. A number of admins are active participants. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

It is unclear if the new 'God of War: Ragnarok' will be released on the PlayStation 4 and the Playstation 5 or if it will be an exclusive game to the new next gen console 2A02:C7F:BE7D:3900:C01A:7623:B253:4D7B (talk) 12:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – robertsky (talk) 18:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
All that has been confirmed is that it will be released on PS5. There is speculation that it could come to PS4, but there has been no official word on that. --JDC808 ♫ 22:49, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

It seems that the "God of War: Ragnarok" logo in a Sony document for investors was a mistake, and is already fixed in a new version of this document. See page 9, where it just shows "God of War" logo. So we should rename the title of this article back to "Untitled God of War sequel".
Sony document for reference: https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/irday/pdf/2021/GNS_E.pdf

Agreed. Plus the logo wasn't even real, it was fan made, as IGN have found. The title should revert back to what it was before.  Mitchy Power (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. Added it to Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests as a regular move can't be done. Havok (T/c/e) 07:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
this aged well. Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 09:16, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

This article fall under WP:CRYSTAL as "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors".--V. E. (talk) 20:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but no it doesn't. Cite specific examples and we'll discuss. --JDC808 ♫ 22:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

All first-hand sources I can find does not include a colon in the title. e.g.

Official blog
Official trailer ***from Sony***
Official tweet ***from Santa Monica Studio*** (bonus: Santa Monica's Twitter profile)
Official tweet ***from PlayStation*** (for reference, PS included a colon for Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic – Remake)
Many, many tweets ***from the staff and crew**:
https://twitter.com/alaxtair/status/1436092361281454080
https://twitter.com/benjipea/status/1436139854618771467
https://twitter.com/cissyspeaks/status/1436120049727664157
https://twitter.com/UsmanAlly/status/1436112066444619792
https://twitter.com/ericalindbeck/status/1436154031274016782
https://twitter.com/YongYea/status/1436080520564129792
etc.
So far, the only sources that I can find that includes a colon in the name are people reporting on Ragnarok (and those people could be wrong). 2607:FEA8:87A1:E700:7165:D41A:D7BA:D871 (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hm, that's interesting. It may not have a colon, which is some weird trend that started a few years ago (actually longer), notably Killzone Shadow Fall and Horizon Zero Dawn (as well as its sequel, Horizon Forbidden West). With official Sony/PlayStation sources not using a colon, it would be safe to move the article to that (actually move back to that). If the store listing adds the colon, then we'll add the colon back. --JDC808 ♫ 10:52, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Sending my thanks to Skyshifter who made this change originally, despite some opposition. – Rhain ☔ 00:02, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Not sure what the need for that was. Many reliable sources had used the colon as it's a common naming convention. Skyshifter explained to me that he was actually going to originally move the page to have the colon but was unable to due to a redirect issue, so he instead moved it to the title without having the colon so that the page could at least be called "God of War Ragnarök". --JDC808 ♫ 07:08, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
I just thought the personal attack was uncalled for, especially since it ended up being the right move all along, but you've kinda apologised, so we can move on. – Rhain ☔ 23:51, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
And the subtle jab was uncalled for. As explained at my talk page, that wasn't a personal attack. I didn't "kinda apologize," I apologized if it sounded like a personal attack. But yes, let's move on and focus on the content and improvement of the article. --JDC808 ♫ 01:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

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added detail to the setting (no spoilers ofc) Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 09:17, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Can we take a consensus not to reveal plot details on the wikipedia article page itself atleast till the weekend after the release date is over? (i.e. coming Sunday). This will preserve a good fan experience because the majority of people with no patience flock to wikipedia to read the plot and then proceed to spoil it for everyone else.
A solid 3/4 days of time i.e. a full weekend will preserve the experience for a large section of the player base, whilst also enabling wikipedia writers who have actually properly played the game to contribute meaningfully Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 04:18, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Godofwarfan69420 we can try to keep the Plot to what it currently is under "Premise". I'll even update the hidden note to try and deter editors from expanding it further. But it may be hard to enforce due to Wikipedia's guidelines in regards to spoilers, but also because of the random IPs that like to flock in around this time. If the page could be locked so that only registered editors can edit, that would help a lot, but that typically only happens when there's constant vandalism. JDC808 ♫ 04:54, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
fairs, wanna make a request to the admin to lock the page? Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 17:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Let me get this straight. Avengers: Endgame, a massive film that was begged not to be spoiled by the producers is allowed be to spoiled by Wikipedia on it's release. But a video game's plot is allowed to be spoiler-protected.
That...is just pure hypocrisy. 2A02:C7E:562A:CC00:D4FE:CA1A:CADF:E939 (talk) 18:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
TOUCH GRASS LMAOOO what an awful example of whataboutism. and why should we, the editors of the god of war page care about what happened to the endgame page lol? if a mistake was made back then and spoilers were revealed, then it's the fault of the primary editors in charge of that page.
'pure hypocrisy' do you even understand what those words mean lmaooo cuz you're just throwing them around in this situation. this has nothing to do with hypocrisy Mr. IP. Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 19:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
You sound very professional for an editor. Definitely. "Touch grass, lmao!" - so professional. It's Wikipedia that's at fault entirely for this hypocrisy. 2A02:C7E:562A:CC00:D4FE:CA1A:CADF:E939 (talk) 21:12, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
'professional' listen kiddo, this is wikipedia lol, not some 9-5 job. it's a fun hobby and i'm trying to look out for god of war fans. you're making a bizarre claim and have been acting confrontational, so don't expect much of a 'professional respectful attitude'. and what are you on about with your absurd 'hypocrisy' rhetoric lol. this is wikipedia, an open platform for everyone to constructively work together, not twitter or reddit or facebook or any such autocratic website with one team with uniform ideals Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 10:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
@2A02:C7E:562A:CC00:D4FE:CA1A:CADF:E939 any work can be spoiled due to Wikipedia's guidelines as Wikipedia is not concerned with spoilers. Godofwarfan simply wants us to attempt to be courteous to the community and not post the entire plot for just a few more days. It's a simple request, but like I said in my original post, it would be hard to enforce, but just because it happened with Endgame's article doesn't mean it has to happen here (or any other article for that matter). If it can be done, that would be great, as I personally (the primary editor) won't have to force myself to avoid this page once Ragnarök has released until I've finished the game. That's the main reason why I personally haven't added anything in regard to reception because I don't wanna be spoiled by any reviews, but I digress. JDC808 ♫ 22:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
thanks you, quite an apt description of my views as well Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 09:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
@Godofwarfan69420 if you want to try and make a request, feel free, but it may be hard to convince them without a strong case. JDC808 ♫ 22:13, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
could you please enlighten me on how to do so? Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
@Godofwarfan69420 page protection requests can be made at WP:RPP JDC808 ♫ 11:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Game journalists may have had some time to try the game before it released (earlier today), but I feel as though it's a little premature to say that it's "considered one of the greatest video games of all time". Especially considering the fact that it doesn't even meet the standards for the list "List of video games considered the best"! I'd like to petition to remove that, and maybe gently remind everyone that only time will tell if that does turn out to be the case. Spillgourd (talk) 03:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Spillgourd it's already been removed. You don't need to petition to remove unsourced content, especially something that's a bit in the realm of WP:CRYSTAL right now. JDC808 ♫ 05:01, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks @JDC808, I'm a bit new here and saw a lot of hype for the game in this talk page so didn't want to step on anyone's toes. Spillgourd (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

The plot section is poorly written. Some sentences are overly confusing to read and in general it feels written as to try to be the first to write the plot rather than being legible. LacSlyer (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@LacSlyer that's what happens with new releases and random IPs. The page actually did get locked from them due to vandalism, but still. Once I finish the game, then I'll actually begin looking at and editing the plot section. JDC808 ♫ 00:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
that's why i was suggesting blocking the plot section from being written in the first place but guess some geniuses don't like being considerate to others Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 10:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
If people want to avoid spoilers, then the should avoid the plot section, WP doesn't censor spoilers. Not about being considerate to others. Indagate (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
which is why there's a warning added. you realise not everyone tries to get spoiled while browsing the webpage right? Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 10:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Please read WP:SPOILERS and WP:NODISCLAIMERS. Indagate (talk) 10:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
ye ye whatever icba with this unnecessary back and forth now, do what you like Godofwarfan69420 (talk) 10:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
If you can find problems LacSlyer, then please fix them. Indagate (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Finding problems isn't the issue, it's that I don't know the details of the plot to comfortably write the section. I could easily rewrite the entire section with what's provided to make it significantly more readable, but feel that's a waste of time compared to someone that actually knows that plot. LacSlyer (talk) 14:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

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It would be great if someone would nominate this article to be a Good Article; if it isn't nominated shortly, the Good Topic about the franchise will have to be delisted as incomplete. Please consider helping this article to reach GA! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 19:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bryanrutherford0 I knew this was gonna come up sooner or later. Just need to expand the Reception section before nominating for GA. JDC808 ♫ 05:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm currently working on expanding the Reception section. Going to try to have it done in the next few days then nominate for GA. JDC808 ♫ 07:03, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:God of War Ragnarök/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: PresN (talk · contribs) 01:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
This has been sitting around for a long time, so lets see what we can do.

"By early February 2023, 11 million copies of the game had been sold." -> "It sold 11 million copies by February 2023."
"It features an over-the-shoulder free camera, while cinematographically, the game is presented in a continuous shot, with no camera cuts or loading screens." -> "It features an over-the-shoulder player-controlled camera, and the game is presented with no camera cuts or loading screens."
In general, if you have more than 3 citations at the end of the sentence it breaks up the reader's flow; I see you use the [2][3][4][5] combination several times, both for simple facts (which don't need so many citations) and for big chunks of prose (which means it's hard to figure out what part came from what source.
"The triangle button on the controller was also changed..." - The gameplay section shouldn't be talking about individual buttons. Just say that you can summon back the axe if Kratos doesn't have it, and also say that you can perform special "Weapon Signature Move" attacks (not necessarily in the same sentence).
This section is a bit long, and it's mostly because it's a bit wordy - lots of "additionally", "conversely", etc., as well as unneeded editorializing (e.g. "For Ragnarök, the shield was revamped for versatility", "providing players with a variety of options for their own play style") and extraneous overdetail ("When not in use, the shield folds up and appears like a vambrace on Kratos' left forearm.", "To transmog, however, the equipped piece of armor has to be fully upgraded."), as well as lengthy comparisons to the previous game. I get that it's a sequel, so some comparison is helpful, but long digressions like "In the previous game, the shield was only used for blocking and could perform a minor parry attack, and while multiple shields could be obtained, they were only cosmetic, changing the color of the Guardian Shield." spend too much time talking about a game that isn't this article's subject. Overall, at least a full paragraph's worth of text could be cut from this section without removing anything important, and should be.
"Other major characters include Mímir (Alastair Duncan), the smartest man alive and the pair's loyal companion, providing knowledge and counsel; Freya (Danielle Bisutti), a Vanir goddess, former Queen of the Valkyries, and Odin's ex-wife, also known as Frigg, who seeks revenge against Kratos and Atreus for the death of her son, Baldur; the Huldra Brothers, Brok (Robert Craighead) and Sindri (Adam Harrington), a pair of dwarven blacksmiths who assist Kratos and Atreus by forging new gear and also found a way to travel to other realms without using the realm travel table in Týr's Temple; and Angrboda (Laya DeLeon Hayes), one of the last remaining Giants who had been in hiding in Jötunheim in a secluded forest called the Ironwood and protecting its animals." - I love using semicolons, but that is way too long of a sentence.
The Plot/character section is too long. Plot alone is 865 words (WP:VG/PLOT recommends 700 or less), and while that alone isn't too bad, the characters subsection is another 641 words and does a lot of storytelling, resulting in an overall section that's just too much. This needs to be condensed by at least a third.
The whole first paragraph of Development, rather than being about the development of the game, is a point-by-point retelling of all of the teaser marketing for the game. Actually, the entire section is a point-by-point retelling of every leak/release of information of the game, in the order that the public got it, rather than a telling of how the game was made. We're literally 4 paragraphs in before the first bit of information about the game's development rather than pre-announcement speculation.
In addition, most of these details don't add anything, or take sentences to say what should be at most a small bit. "The game's music composer, Bear McCreary, who also composed the music for the previous game, responded to the news of the delay, saying that it would be worth the wait." - why does this matter? " In April 2019, a teaser came in the form of a PlayStation 4 (PS4) dynamic background theme; the side of Kratos and Atreus' boat had runes that translated to "Ragnarök is coming".[18] At the same time, in order to celebrate the first anniversary of the previous game's release, Barlog posted a thread of tweets on Twitter with pictures and a statement concerning the development process;[19] some fans noticed that the first letter of each tweet spelled out "Ragnarök is coming"." - This could just be "Pre-release marketing material included the hidden phrase "Ragnarök is coming". You have an entire paragraph about speculation that the game's name was God of War: Ragnarök (colon or no), which may have been interesting in the summer of 2021 but now is just... that's its name. It wasn't some big secret, it's just "game announced September 2020, name was revealed one year later, though a May 2021 investment filing had accidentally revealed it before being changed."
Like, I know this isn't as straightforward as "fix these sentences like X", but this is just all too much. Every paragraph has insignificant details that should be cut, or over-detailed explanations of exactly how the director gave a non-answer to making a PC port. This whole section needs to be gone through with a machete.
Release, on the other hand, just spends too long on the exact specifics of each reviewers opinion. Both Eurogamer and GameSpot, for example, get 4 sentences each on exactly what their opinion was on the plot/themes. Wait, sorry, you went back and gave GameSpot 2 more sentences in the next paragraph. This isn't as bad as in previous sections, but it needs to be tightened up a bunch.
Honestly, the article as a whole is well-done, it's just way too much detail and wordiness throughout. I went and skimmed God of War 2018's article, and while the development section is super long, the gameplay and plot sections were much tighter than this one's, so it can be done. Go through it and be ruthless about chopping out phrases and sentence that aren't needed, and this can get sorted out. I'm going to put this on hold, though given the amount of work asked for, no time limit is expected. --PresN 01:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
@PresN thanks for taking up the review. I'll try to start addressing your points over the weekend. May be a bit slow given the holiday. JDC808 ♫ 02:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
I've begun making edits to address some issues. Will try to get to more of them later this evening. JDC808 ♫ 02:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
@PresN: I'm not going to say I'm finished, as I'm sure there are other things to work through, but after sitting on this over the weekend, I figured I'd get your input on what I've done thus far, and what else can be done. Also going to address some concerns mentioned.

About the "11 million copies sold", I implemented your suggestion with a minor tweak. I merged it with the prior sentence for flow.
Second point, implemented your suggestion.
I know that we don't typically put buttons. At the time I added the info, it felt important to note the change in regards to the button, but after having been away from this for a bit, I can see it's not needed, so that has been trimmed and reworked.
Trimmed down and cut some info.
Reworked to break into sentences.
Done some trimming and cutting here. When I first started redoing these God of War articles several years ago, I based this whole section on GA and FA Final Fantasy articles, which had this kind of layout. As for some storytelling bits, that was something suggested in a prior GA or FA nomination so that the Plot section itself wouldn't have to go over some of that character info.
Development and Reception have been trimmed and reworked.
Note, I have not fixed the multiple citations issue yet. I need to recheck those sources to determine where they should more appropriately be placed. --JDC808 ♫ 00:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
@PresN: pinging again in case this got overlooked or lost in other notifications last week. Also got the citations situated. --JDC808 ♫ 04:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Okay, the development and reception sections are looking a lot better. Gameplay is also better about describing this game rather than the differences from the previous game. Plot is still over-long, and the article in general is still kinda wordy. If you go for FAC, you'll need to do another pass for that, and a grammar check in general, but I think this is now good enough for the GA level. I'm going to go ahead and pass the article. --PresN 16:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
@PresN: Great, thanks! Yeah, FAC will be a bit of a tedious task, but that won't be for a while. Still need to do some work to the 2018 game if I want to try it again for FAC before I consider this one. JDC808 ♫ 20:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Kratos and Brok did NOT forge Draupnir. The Lady of the Forge created this spear. 92.40.123.201 (talk) 13:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)