# Talk:Herbert and Katherine Jacobs Second House

Photos and/or photo uploads are needed.

HABS photos do not seem to be available for this site.
New photos would be helpful.
The Photo presently attached to this file is of an ancillary structure and not the actual house. The photo shows the once open carport after its renovation in the early 2000s. The original carport was supported by the still existing and visible stone work at the back and south (left) side. On the north side it was supported by a cinder-block cow shed built for the Jacobs during WWII, and before the house was built, to hold a milking cow for the family during the war. That shed has now been replaced by a guest cottage of new design as seen in the photo. The open carport has been closed. 

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The lead sentence was recently changed from "a historic" to "an historic". I reverted this change, but my edit was reverted for the following reason: The use of "a" or "an" before the words "history" or "historical" is historically in English usage a matter of euphony. There is no hard fast rule in English governing the use of "a" or "an" before "h". It is up to any writer's opinion as to what sounds better. "A historical" sounds unpleasantly like "ahistorical" and can easily be avoided by using "an."
However, I do not think this changed is warranted. The grammatical rule in modern English is that consonant sounds are usually preceded by "a" and not "an". According to Merriam-Webster, Historic and historical are both occasionally found preceded by an, since the initial h in each word was formerly left unpronounced. Now this h is heard, and a is far more common than an (by a ratio of about 4 to 1 in American English). Since "historic" begins with a consonant sound and since "a historic" is more common in American English (the dialect this article uses), it's more grammatically correct to say "a historic". There's the objection that "a historical" sounds like "ahistorical", but this is true only in spoken English, not in written English (like with other pairs of homophones).
Therefore, I recommend keeping the wording "a historic". (Actually, I was thinking of dropping the word "historic" altogether, since the house's historic-ness is already mentioned further on in the article. This might solve the dispute entirely.) – Epicgenius (talk) 21:01, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

... that when Herbert and Katherine Jacobs moved into their second house, they initially lived in a root cellar? Source: [https://npgallery.nps.gov/GetAsset/6c7fe235-0832-48c6-91aa-27979da456d3 National Park Service 2003, pp. 19–20.
ALT1: ... that Frank Lloyd Wright once brought clients to the a house he designed in Wisconsin, turning away those who disliked it? Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 20.
ALT2: ... that Herbert Jacobs and his children personally built the foundations of their second house? Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 18; Jacobs, Herbert (October 4, 1976). "[For Working] And Living". The Capital Times. pp. 21, 22.
ALT3: ... that when Herbert and Katherine Jacobs commissioned Frank Lloyd Wright for their second house, he told them, "you are getting another 'first'"? Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 15.
ALT4: ... that the Herbert and Katherine Jacobs Second House, once called "almost the opposite of a landmark", later became a U.S. National Historic Landmark? Source: Wineke, William R. (May 7, 1983). "The house that Frank built (and William remodeled)". Wisconsin State Journal. p. 15; McCrea, Ron (May 7, 2005). "Wright Times Three ; Celebration Set Today for National Landmarks". Madison Capital Times. p. 1A.
ALT5: ... that for their second house, Herbert and Katherine Jacobs rehired Frank Lloyd Wright, the designer of their first house, because they liked the previous design so much? Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 14.
ALT6: ... that Herbert and Katherine Jacobs liked their their first house so much that they commissioned its architect, Frank Lloyd Wright, for  their second house? Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 14.
ALT7: ... that Herbert and Katherine Jacobs liked their first house so much that they commissioned its architect to design their second house as well? Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 14.
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Epicgenius (talk) 15:27, 14 October 2025 (UTC).

Strongly recommend #4. DS (talk) 13:38, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
 Another interesting FLW house, detailed GA, on excellent sources, offline and subscription sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Sadly no pic. Of the suggested hooks, I'd prefer ALT3, but I wonder why you don't say something similar simpler: that the two liked Jakobs I so much that they commissioned Jakobs II also from FLW, - could be sweetly short and quirky, and I don't know another case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
 ALT3 preferred, open for ALTs --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review. I've also suggested a few alts for your consideration. Epicgenius (talk) 14:16, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, I like all of the new ones. The promoter can decide. Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 19 November 2025 (UTC)