# Talk:Iván Rodríguez

Steroid allegations
In 2005, former teammate Jose Canseco,  admitted to using anabolic steroids with Jorge Delgado, Damaso Moreno and Manuel Collado in a tell-all book, Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits & How Baseball Got Big. Canseco also claimed that up to 85% of major league players took steroids, a figure disputed by many in the game. In the book, Canseco specifically identified former teammates Mark McGwire, Jason Giambi, Rafael Palmeiro, Iván Rodríguez, and Juan González as fellow steroid users, and claimed that he injected them. Most of the players named in the book have denied steroid use. Giambi has admitted to steroid use in testimony before a grand jury investigating the BALCO case. On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for stanozolol.
On February 2009, after Alex Rodriguez admitted he used steroids from 2001-2003, Ivan Rodriguez said "only God knows" if he is on the list of 104 players who tested positive for steroids during baseball’s 2003 survey. 
That list is part of a government-sealed report detailing 104 major league players (out of 1200 players tested) who tested positive (including Alex Rodriguez) for performance enhancers during a 2003 drug survey. Approved by the players themselves with the promise of anonymity, the survey was conducted by Major League Baseball to see whether a mandatory drug testing program might be necessary.
That text has legitimate sources, I don't understand why it's erased.
??? --Mijcofr (talk) 23:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The only reference to Pudge that he was mentioned in Canseco's book and the "only God knows" part.  I have no problem with saying that he was mentioned in the book, but the rest of the stuff belongs in a steroids in baseball article, not here, IMO. — X96lee15 (talk) 22:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
In a steroids in baseball article, not here? haven't you seen the pages of Mark McGwire, Jason Giambi, Rafael Palmeiro, Juan González, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Roger Clemens?
Why not with Pudge? --201.199.71.26 (talk) 14:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

All those players have admitted to using steroids or were named in the Mitchell Report (I think). Pudge was not. I'm not saying he didn't use steroids (he probably did, he got A LOT smaller during one offseason), but per WP:BLP, we have to be careful with "controversial" data on articles about living people. A single sentence saying he was named in Canseco's book is probably ok, but an entire section/paragraph about steroids doesn't belong, IMO. — X96lee15 (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Until there's an actual citation, the part about him being considered the greatest catcher of all time should not be up. It is weird to have that sentence in quotes when nobody and nothing is being quoted, but outside quotes it's just a false statement - that kind of statement is not really being thrown around for Ivan Rodriguez, considering Johnny Bench and Yogi Berra's places, and the fact that the biggest challenger of them would be Rodriguez's colleague Mike Piazza (who is by many objective standards the greatest hitting catcher of all time). As for fielding, however, Rodriguez does receive lots of consideration for best ever.

"Until there's an actual citation, the part about him being considered the greatest catcher of all time should not be up"
Even with a citation you've still got nothing concrete. A citation of an opinion is still an opinion, not a fact. Something like "The Sporting News ranked him #1 among catcher" would be ok because you're not saying he is the greatest catcher, just citing a credible souce. Speaking off, this article has been vandalised to death, all the foreign language links and categories have been removed. I'm going to try and find an older version with categories. Mglovesfun 15:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

In Rodriguez's career he has caught a perfect game thrown on 7-28-94 by Kenny Rodgers (Texas Rangers now Detroit tigers) and caught the no hitter thrown on 6-12-07 by Justin Verlander (Detroit Tigers) I think that this is important information that should be put into the wiki article.
Does anyone know why Rodriguez is referred to as Pudge by sports announcers, and no other players are referred to by nickname? I mean most, if not all, pro sports players have some kind of locker-room nickname... but for every other player, it's usually the proper first name that is used more often by sports media. Just curious, does anyone have any insight?? 209.105.207.181 22:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I often hear sports media refer to other players by nicknames. Some examples would be A-Rod (Alex Rodriguez), Bad Vlad (Vladimir Guerrero), LT (LaDanian Tomlinson), Big Ben (Ben Roethlisberger), Stevie Y (Steve Yzerman). The list goes on and on... Trvsdrlng 02:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Phonetics would be my guess. 80.138.206.150 22:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

This will require a disambiguation page as well as a biography on the artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.148.74.206 (talk) 02:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC) 

I don't understand what this sentence (in first section) means:
"He ranked fourth in the AL among catchers in batting average, at .260."
His current career batting average is .303 according to the box on the side.  I'll change or delete this, but I wanted to comment first. Wuicker (talk) 00:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

That sentence is refering to his 1999 season, not his entire career. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
In 1999, Rodriguez hit .332 (according to ESPN.com). He hit .260 in 1992, but I don't think one could get that from context. 206.190.137.34 (talk) 20:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

For the most part it's good, here's my issues though:

GA review (see here for criteria)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 

His nicknames should be cited. Doesn't have to be in the lead, but somewhere in the bio explain the origins if possible.
 STORMTRACKER   94   Go Sox!  11:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems to jump righ tinto the minors with no early life information. I know this is tough to come by, but try if you can.
A google search reveals nothing about his childhood.  STORMTRACKER   94   Go Sox!  10:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Hm, I found an article that works, we can add in a paragraph about his early life and high school career just from this with little difficulty. Wizardman 14:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
The references themselves are good, the reason why I failed 2b is because using mlb.com could be risky in the future. If he decides to retire or get traded, all those references will become dead (I've been trying to fix this in my articles as well).
The site's info for him is archived at archive.org, so these should not be a problem.  STORMTRACKER   94   Go Sox!  11:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
The question mark on 2a is because I understand that the reference goes for the whole paragraph, which I don't have a problem with. Other people might though (I did what you're doing and got pummeled at FAC and GAN for it), so place after sentences that may need a cite rather than just at the end of the paragraph.
These references are for the paragraph, not just a few sentences in it.  STORMTRACKER   94   Go Sox!  20:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll ask someone to do a copyedit on this, since that's my weak point and there may be things i missed (Hence the ? on 1b).
I'll do a more thorough reread later, but here's what I got so far. Article is on hold. Wizardman 01:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Quick question, does MLB block robot access to archive.org? because if not its possible that the MLB references can be retrieved in the archive if the go dead. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks like it is based on Stormtracker's research, I'll make a note of it for myself as well. Wizardman 16:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, this is about 99% done. I'll try and find a non-baseball savvy person to copyedit the article, upon completion of that (unless they find something rather major) I'm willing to pass the article. Wizardman 15:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I performed the copyedit. There are a few things I wanted to mention:

There needs to be consistency on his last name. It needs to be either Rodríguez or Rodriguez, but it should not switch back and forth constantly.
I don't understand a sentence from the "Minor leagues" subsection: "He made his first Major League hit against the White Sox." It seems to me that "Major League" implies MLB. If it does, it seems out of place in a discussion of his minor league career. If it doesn't, it needs to be reworded, as it's confusing. If it is to stay, some context would help. When I see "White Sox", I assume Chicago, but the city needs to be stated here.
This has not been changed, so it should not be crossed out yet.
Done. Hope this is enough. That sentence shouldn't have even been there.  STORMTRACKER   94   Go Sox!  21:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
There is some serious over-wikilinking. I took some out, but some words were wikilinked in consecutive sentences. I don't know the official guideline, but once per section is sufficient. "Home runs" doesn't need to be linked six times (and it's not currently linked the first time it's used).
The first sentence of the "2004-present" section seems unnecessary.
The first two sentences about 2006 could be combined.
I hope this helps, GaryColemanFan (talk) 19:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks like Caribbean H.Q. did this checklist. I think this is ready for promotion.  STORMTRACKER   94   Go Sox!  20:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks like everyone's satisfied with any issues brought up. Congrats, you got yourself a GA. Wizardman 21:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Should Rodriguez's nationality be added into the lead per MOSBIO? --70.109.223.188 (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

He has signed with the Houston Astros. He did an interview with ESPN earlier today saying that he signed with them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.68.58.219 (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC) 

He agreed to a contract and is pending a physical which will take place after the WBC - its made pretty clear already in the article and is sourced properly. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 21:13, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Today he changed it to 77. Here is the link. http://houston.astros.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=121358 SChaos1701 (talk) 00:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Ivan rodriguez was also mvp 2003 nl series.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.50.223.251 (talk) 01:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC) 

Ivan rodriguez was also mvp 2003 nl series.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.50.223.251 (talk) 01:47, 22 June 2010 (UTC) 

This subject is under discussion at [1]. Please go THERE if you wish to join the discussion. Mercy11 (talk) 15:10, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The last 2 lines in Personal Life after Fox sports,I believe should be deleted. Doesn't make sense that it is there.2601:581:8500:949C:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 23:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)