# Talk:Drakengard 2

what is wrong with this article?! why is it only the fundamentals?! cant we post a litte more about the story,like how theguy whose the main character is becoming a memeber of the knights of the seal,but then he figures out(i guess) that they are totalatarinistic?? some of the enemies you fight in the game,the characters,some spoilers perhaps? im not a very good editor myself(hell,i barely know how to write an article) but REALLY people,you can do better than this.
I don't think that simply the ability to level up would merit the status of a "Role Playing Game", so I think it should be removed. However, some might disagree with me on this, so I haven't touched it. Not that it's that important, anyway... 130.232.131.47 09:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia's own entry for RPG, according to that DoD can be classified as RPG. --84.184.104.135 13:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry. I fixed it up, and gave it A LOT more details. I gave character names, their roles, I threw in quotes, and a bit of the history of each character. I even threw in some spoilers, so I hope you enjoy reading this and are happy about the changes I made. Peace!
refer to Draken gard to get more detail about mannah, Caim and the red dragon

If you watch the second achievable ending, where the holy dragons are flying to battle with the gods, you can see that the gods look alot like the evil flying babies from the first game.

I was thinking maybe the picture should be changed to the American cover since the article is primarily called Drakengard 2 and not Drag-On Dragoon 2. Keep it consistent, eh? Not to mention the American cover is a lot less bland.--Eternal Trance 04:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The flying evil babies from Drakengard (Drag-On Dragoon 1) were called Grotesqueries, and yes, I believe the Grotesqueries are actually the gods in the two games. In the first game, one of the storylines involves Mannah getting killed by Seere's Golem and through her link to them, the gods also die and are somehow reborn as those giant babies. I know, it's rather bizarre.
As for the picture, I think we should include both the Japanese and North American covers.--Unknown Dragon 01:33, 10 July 2006

The Materials Collection for DoD just calls them "Antagonist", I have not yet translated the rest of the short entry for them. What Veredlet or someone else calls needn't necessarily right, due to the story nature of Drakengard not even the mission description and inbetween story tables need to tell us the truth. --84.184.105.203 07:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The weaknesses and strenghtes are according to the official Guide and two different language game manuals.
Oror can be seen during at least one scene of the game.
The Stone Giant (official name of the "ent-like golem") isn't mentioned by the game manuals, the official guide or Memory of Blood as a pact partner of her and is more or less treated as a Gnome.
Please refrain from changing those information in the article without more reliable proof that they are wrong. --84.184.95.220 12:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, just about every bit of information you just presented is incorrect, I have played the game through several times and I can tell you that General Oror has not appeared in ANY cut scene, he is only mentioned by the characters. Also, the ent-like beast that players combat at the Light Dais is specifically called a golem in the Prima guidebook and it is a pact partner of Yaha because the creature only appears when all of Yaha's gnomes are dead and when this creature is destroyed, Yaha is destroyed too, therefore this creature is also bonded with him. Also a player can tell what kinds of enemies their attacks are strong or weak against because of the color of the font of the damage they cause the enemy, red means strong and blue means weak. Unknown Dragon 21:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Then you apparently have missed the tearjerking optional scene after the Seal is broken, where Nowe sees General Oror in a time dilution shortly before he dies (unfortunately I forgot which free mission ist was in, and I'm not again at the critical point in the game).
The Stone Golem (we agree on the golem) is a Gnome just like the other Gnomes, those it isn't worth mentioning as an extra pact partner, when in fact it is not. It appears in between (unless you were really fast in killing the little Gnomes), and I think the Materials Collection and guide straight from the creators of the game would have more accurate information on that than a third-party guide (despite saying offical, they are not corrected or getting information by/from the game publisher or localiser, "official" in this case just means, that they bought a liscence to get to tag the word "official" in front of their guides name).
Just because Manah gets a red against undead, doesn't mean she is really good aginst them. And now, why did you only add it back for Manah? Didn't test it for the others? I did, it goes as follows Knights: N+, M-, E-, U=; Monsters: N=, M-, E=, U+; Undead: N-, M+, E+, U-; Mages: N-, M+, E=, U-.
The official Japanese guide and the manuals give the type they are really strong or really weak against. If you haven't twitched to it yet, the characters form pairs (Nowe: +Knights 1.2, -Undead 0.8 X Eris: +Undead 2, -Knights 0.8 vs Manah: +Magic 2, -Monsters 0.8 X Urick: +Monsters 2, -Magic 0.8). As this is, I asked for a superior source, a third-party guide is not superior to a first-party guide.
Not that these information, like almost all of the information currently in the character section is really relevant or useful given the state the rest of the article is in. --84.184.127.96 22:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I only put the information about their attack effectivness on because of the numbers, you're right that just because Manah is "strong" against Undead types doesn't mean that her attacks are highly effective, actually I have found Manah's attacks on some undead enemies to be quite useful (not so much as Eris but still). And where in the game does the player actually get to see Oror?!Unknown Dragon 12:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

It'll take some time till I'm there again, but I'll be sure to let you know where it was. It is somewhen after the Seal is broken and like those cutscenes you get when you enter the towns at certain stages in the story. There are a few more of those scenes, besides those tavern talks; one with Nowe explaining his wound (you probably found that) and one with Caim and Manah. --84.184.83.253 15:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
What difficulty of the game do you have to be playing to see this?Unknown Dragon 06:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I saw it the first time on my second playthrough, but I than that was the first time I went looking for it. As far as I know, there are no difficulty requirements. --Anibas 07:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I've played Drakengard 2 over and over countless times and I still haven't seen that cutscene. I also would like to know how to unlock the Optional Boss Menu, I've done what the websites says and I still haven't unlocked it. Unknown Dragon 15:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking in the wrong places for the cutscene? It's something you have to go out of your way to see. If you have fulfilled the requirements for the boss menu, the boss menu is unlocked, look around closer. --84.184.122.7 08:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I have a question concerning Angelus' gender. It's clearly stated in the English version that Angelus is female, but what about in the Japanese version? I know in Drakengard the actor who played the voice of Caim (when he was still able to speak) also played to voice of Angel (Angelus), and in some of the trailers of I've seen of the Japanese version, Angel's voice sounds distinctly masculine. Is Angel a male in the Japanese version? And if so, how is he able to become a "Goddess"? Unknown Dragon 02:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Angelus's voice actor in the Japanese version,  Peter, is well-known in Japan for playing female/transvestite roles. While he may be an unorthodox choice for a female role, he's suitable for playing a female role in terms of the Japanese audience.--Hailinel 04:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
It is well-known that the dragons in the DOD universe have no specific male/female gender, therefore dragons such as Angel(us) is neither male nor female. This is not to say anything about personalities or the word choice for gender-specific pronouns. Angel, although she has no physical gender distinction, is referred to as female, Legna as male, and Mikhail as male as well. All of this has been confirmed in character descriptions printed in the official guides for each of the games. drakengard-3.com (talk) 03:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

It has been confirmed by SQEX Japan that there is no plan to release remastered versions of DOD1 or 2. I directly asked about the validity of this claim and here is their answer (my translation):

There has been no decision to release a remastered version of these games, nor is there any current information regarding a future release. Should news about a future release be announced, it will be posted on the official Web site.
Let's try to remember to only include confirmed information with proper citations on Wiki. drakengard-3.com (talk) 03:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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here's some sources.Lucia Black (talk) 21:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
More from me

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--ProtoDrake (talk) 22:48, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Can you be a little more specific when stating sources? It might be better to label each one or at least use the REFERENCE markup. drakengard-3.com (talk) 03:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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