# Talk:1977 Atlantic hurricane season

Tropical Storm Babe- I know its a hurricane, but couldn't get one of it at peak intensity. Hurricanehink
Hurricane Clara
Hurricane Dorothy
Hurricane Evelyn
Tropical Storm Frieda
Another year down. Hurricanehink 03:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
1977? Pretty impressive your work! But I can't do it today because I'm busy in real life. juan andrés 04:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Yea, aint real life a bitch? I know the feeling. Hurricanehink 04:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Uh, I'd advise not to use fowl language , there are other people using this talk page you know ( I've alredy warned user John about that.)Storm05 16:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
It's fine as long as it is in the talk pages. I'm sorry if I offended you. Hurricanehink 17:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
It didn't offended me, people who is right never offend me juan andrés 02:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
And it's finally ready!juan andrés 05:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone added a TOC + clear at the beginning of the article.  I don't think this is a good idea.  In most cases it's better to let formatting issues take care of themselves rather than using TOC, and having a huge blank below the intro looks even worse than having a slightly misplaced first storm.  To improve the formatting, however, a "storm summary" section could be added at the top of the article. — jdorje (talk) 07:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

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Re the statement in the lead "the fewest named storm since the 1965 season, with only six systems reaching tropical storm status" - what about 1972 Atlantic hurricane season with just four? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:25, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

1972 had 3 named subtropical storms though. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  22:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Subtropical storms are strange. They seem to have been named in only two years - 1972/73 - for 1974 on, they got numbers; and up to 1971, don't get a mention at all. Those in 1972/73 got phonetic names (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta), so since these were not "girls names" like the tropical storms and hurricanes of 1953-78, do they really count as named storms? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Subtropical storms are considered named storms. YE  Pacific Hurricane 00:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
OK, given that they have names (of a sort), let's consider the second part of the sentence - "with only six systems reaching tropical storm status" - do subtropical storms have tropical storm status? If they do, there's a problem both here and at 1972 Atlantic hurricane season which states "only four fully tropical named storms – the fewest since 1930". It seems to me that the criteria for "fewest" should be consistent between the years. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:50, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Subtropical cyclones are not fully tropical, but they usually have tropical storm-frock winds, hence, tropical storm status. YE  Pacific Hurricane 17:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I tweaked the wording. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  18:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 19:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

With the first sentence, it's misleading what a "named storm" is, since 1965 technically only has 5
I'm gonna was "tropical storm" instead. It would be a true statement either way.--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
"June 1, 1977, and lasted until November 30, 1977" - don't think you need years for both
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
"The first tropical depression of the season developed 2 days later, on June 3, in the western Caribbean Sea. " - this is lacking context, "later" from what? Just say "developed two days after the start of the season on June 3..." And I'd say "two"
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
But the first storm formed on June 13th, per the source you provided. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Is Anita the latest formation of the first named storm? Any chance you could research that more? And, source for that quote in lede?
Yes, Anita was the latest. I'm gonna remove that quote since it will seem reduntant with adding that Anita was the latest formation of the first named storm.--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
"Category 5 hurricane" - link/explain here pl0x
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Still think you should add SSHS there. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Fixed again :P --12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
" though the damage toll remains unknown" - I wouldn't include this in the lede.
Removed--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
"In addition to Anita, another notable tropical cyclone of this season was Hurricane Babe." - Babe wasn't that notable.
Why not? It was notable enough to get an article :P --12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I suppose :P --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
"$10 million (1977 USD) in damage" - maybe add a note that all damage totals are in 1977 USD?
Added--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
"it spawned a total of 14 tornadoes"
"it spawned of 14 tornadoes?" :P --12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
...yes :P --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
"which led to 13 deaths and $50 million in damage. Overall, the tropical cyclones of the season collectively caused 11 fatalities and at least $13 million in damage." - inconsistency
I'm not including that in the season damage and death toll because it was the remnants of TD 9.--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Alright, then you should say "excluding the depression..." or something, to clarify you're not including TD 9. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Better?--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"Activity began 12 days later with the formation of a tropical depression on Jun3 13." - wha? And the lede says June 3...?
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Again, is it June 13 or 3? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Sorry about that. It was June 13.--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
" it was a below average season because only 6 of them strengthened into a tropical storm" - since it's multiple, it should be "into tropical storms" at the end
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
What is "major hurricane status"?
I can't believe you don't know :P --12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"The amount of activity is attributed" - since it wasn't really active, I'd say "The inactivity". Also, should be "was"
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"Tropical cyclogenesis in the 1977 Atlantic hurricane season began with the development of a tropical depression on June 13" - you mentioned that a paragraph earlier
Shouldn't I mention it again if I writing a chronological summary of the season?--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"As September is the climatological peak of hurricane season, it was the most active month" - could be clearer.
How so?--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"The season's activity was reflected with a cumulative accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) rating of 25, which was the lowest ACE value since 1925" - false. 1946 had 22.
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"Although intensification briefly slowed, rapid deepening occurred from September 1 to September 2. Early on September 2, Anita peaked as a Category 5 hurricane with winds of 175 mph (280 km/h)" - these could be merged ("September 1 to the following day, when Anita peaked...")
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"Above normal tides in Texas resulted in the closure of numerous coastal highways" - can you avoid "resulted in the closure"? Nominalizations are bad, m'kay
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"Precipitation from the storm peaked at 15.2 inches (390 mm) at Soto la Marina" - not quite true, we don't know what the peak was. Also, link city?
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Careful when you say "a tropical wave developed into..." - a tropical wave is a trough, and those alone don't develop into TC's. They can produce a low along them, so they can spawn a tropical cyclone, but they don't develop into a TC, per sé. Make sure you fix that for Anita and Babe.
"It strengthened and gradually acquired tropical characteristics and was reclassified as Tropical Storm Babe late on September 4." - too many "and"'s
There's only 2.--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"A convective cloud mass with a spiral band of gale-force winds northeast of Hurricane Babe moved away from the system." - weird start. Moved away from what system?
Hurricane Babe--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"However, strong wind shear" - bad way to start a paragraph
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"to weakened" - you grammared weirded
Fixeded :P --12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I would split Clara's info to a MH paragraph and an impact paragraph. Ditto with Evelyn
"promoting an upgraded of the depression" - huh?
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Any damage from Evelyn or Frieda?
That's it for both storms.--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"the remnants of cold front" -missing something?
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Try getting a track map for "Tropical Depression Nine"
Any more info about TD 9? Disaster declaration? Deaths? Anything from NCDC? Google news?
"Later in June, a second tropical depression formed in the west-central Gulf of Mexico on June 13." - a second?
Nope, an hour :P --12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"Initial predictions from the National Hurricane Center indicated it could possibly before a tropical storm" - huh?
Removed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm confused. Were some TD's named and some weren't?
Yes--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"It briefly headed east-southeastward, before turning by October 3. On the following day, the depression curved northwestward." - could be merged
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
"Because new lists containing male names began in 1979 season, none of these have appeared on a list since, except for Ida." - and Grace?
"Grace? She passed away 30 years ago." :P Fixed--12george1 (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
That's it for now. Generally decent, shouldn't be too hard to fix. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  19:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)