# Talk:2012–13 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 20:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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"with practices in" do you mean practice matches?
No basketball practices are not necessarily matches. They are often just drills and exercises.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  14:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Opted not to link to the general term Practice (learning method).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  14:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
"enjoyed 9 postseason" nine per MOS:NUM.
fixed--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  14:33, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
"8 of the 9 posteason" Eight of the nine, and fix the typo.
fixed--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  14:33, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:HASH, avoid using a hash symbol to represent "Number".
Is this really what we want?--TonyTheTiger (T/C) Check out the WAWARD 06:22, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
If it complies with WP:HASH, then sure.  The Rambling Man (talk) 08:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Newspapers e.g. USA Today should be in italics.
Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C) Check out the WAWARD 06:11, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
The ticks in the table would be much better centrally aligned.
Fixed--TonyTheTiger (T/C) Check out the WAWARD 17:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
What is a preseason watchlist?  Remember this is supposed to appeal to non-expert readers.
I added something. Do I need a source for this?--TonyTheTiger (T/C) Check out the WAWARD 17:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Col widths in the tables should be same width for similar entries.  Right now they look really clumsy.
Why the empty columns in the Preseason national polls?  What's the point of them?
I never tracked these down, if they existed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C) Check out the WAWARD 18:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
What is Athlon?
linked--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:29, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
What is Lindy's?
linked--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:29, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
4-team, 8-team -> four-team, eight-team.
fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C) Check out the WAWARD 18:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
"The following table summarizes the Big Ten early season tournament victories:" no need for this, just change the section heading to "Early season tournament victories".
O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 18:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Why some tables in small text, some in regular text?
I don't see this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 18:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
"2012 ACC–Big Ten Challenge" section, check en-dashes for the scores and records.
Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 19:08, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Same section heading, see WP:HEAD where it notes "Headings should not normally contain links, especially where only part of a heading is linked.".
Is this O.K. now?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 19:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Not sure you need days of the week under date columns.
Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 19:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Don't use bold to emphasise something (see WP:BADEMPHASIS) which I guess you're doing in this section to show the winning team?
There must be some exceptions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 05:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Rankings table, per WP:ACCESS you shouldn't be using colour alone to indicate a specific property, such as improvement in ranking, drop in ranking etc.  Up and down arrows could be used in conjunction so those readers who cannot pick out the colours can still understand the information in the table.
Five teams have no rankings.  Is this explained somewhere to the non-expert like me?
Four actually, but explaining that at no point in the season were these four team considered very good does not seem so encyclopedic.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
"Big Ten Tournament Seeding Standings" "... seeding standings".
Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 05:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Check this section for misuse of hyphens in scorelines etc.
fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 05:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Why suddenly switch to dd-mm-yy date format in the Big Ten "Player of the Week" table?
Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
There have been multiple occasions where more than one player was selected so the prose at the top of this table needs adjustment.
Revised.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 05:48, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
" 2013– 2013 Big Ten " odd, at least put a space after the first 2013.
adjusted text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 05:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Big Ten Tournament section, en-dashes again.
O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 06:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
In general, why are there so many different formats of tables in this article?  Colours, text sizes, emphasis different throughout, it looks most clumsy.
NCAA Tournament.  Table is sortable but sorts entirely incorrectly.  (And needs en-dashes not hyphens).
Entirely incorrectly? You mean defeated/eliminated first and then school second instead of vice versa.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
"2013 NBA Draft" section, what do the position abbreviations mean?
Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
"Jr" linking to Junior is a dablink, there are two of them.
done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:20, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Check references for correct use of en-dash in the titles.
The Rambling Man (talk) 15:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Overall I'm not happy at all with the prose, the adherence to MOS and the various table formats used throughout, it makes for a messy and incoherent article.  I'm going to fail the GAN for now, but would suggest the above issues are resolved, and the GAN renominated in due course where, if I'm around, I'll be more than happy to take another look.  The Rambling Man (talk) 15:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:2012–13 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Sportsguy17 (talk · contribs) 01:31, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality, no copyvios, spelling and grammar: 

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists: 

Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section: 

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: 

C. No original research: 

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: 

B. Focused: 

Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias: 

Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc: 

Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content: 

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: 

Overall:
Pass or Fail: 
Pass! Sportsguy17 (T • C)  15:58, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I will be reviewing the article. I am sorry if it has taken a long time for someone to review this article. Feel free to leave comments and ideas/suggestions. The review may take a few days. Thanks. Sportsguy17  (Chat with me!) 01:31, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
I have found three dead references with CHECKLINKS. Refs 36, 39, and 59 are dead. Could TonyTheTiger or another contributor could comment here and/or find a replacement reference, which may include renewing the link (I'm guessing ESPN archives or something of that nature). Right now, I will be checking all of the sources and then finding "words to avoid" per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch. Sportsguy17  (Chat with me!) 01:45, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
The Preconference Schedule section has no references whatsoever. The Rankings section looks good. On the last few sentences, if the information covers more of the sentences, please use <ref name="..."/>, and Conference Schedules looks good. Sportsguy17  (Chat with me!) 02:15, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Reffed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
TonyTheTiger, this looks much better now. Everything up to Honors and Awards is looking good. One concern I do have is in the subsection of postseason CollegeInsider.com Postseason Tournament -- Make it into a professional sentence, such as There were no entrants from the Big Ten Conference in the CollegeInsider.com Postseason Tournament.. Or Option #2 is to just not include it at all.
Reworded.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
The Honors and Awards section still has some work left. First thing is the All-Big Ten Awards and Teams subsection's table has way to many red links. Removing the wiki markup from the red links might clean up that table. And make sure the USWBA and NABC fit Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists. Otherwise, this article is in really good shape. All links are working and once that is cleaned up, then one last "scrub-down" copy edits might be useful. After that, it looks like a pass. Sportsguy17 (T • C • G)  06:01, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
In terms of redlinks, I think we expect articles for the majority of the redlinks. These guys were for the most part stars as underclassmen who will be bigger stars in the future. I see only one person who graduated who is a redlink, on a quick scan through. I estimate a good percentage of these will have articles within the next 5 months and others within the next 2 or 3 years. Look at 2008–09 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season and 2009–10 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season. By the time these guys graduate, they almost all have pages. 08-09 has 5 redlinks among the conference honors and 3 among players of the week. 09-10 has 7 and 0. 10-11 has 5 and 1. 11-12 and 12-13 still have players likely to get pages soon. Based on recent history the 15 different names in the All-Big Ten Awards and Teams section will fall to about 5 or 6 pretty soon. Similarly the 5 different players of the week without articles will be reduced to about 2 pretty soon, based on history.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
I will look at the Embedded list issue.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
In that case, that is OK, especially on looking at other articles. All references are alive and appear to verify the content. I will be checking the images, as well as it's spelling and grammar, and then I think I can pass this article. Images and the mechanics (spelling and grammar) look good. I will now be reviewing it by the criterion and either passing it or failing it. Thanks. Sportsguy17 (T • C)  15:48, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
I am not so sure the embedded list section instructs any necessary changes here.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Same thing with the Player of the Week table. Sportsguy17 (T • C • G)  06:04, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
See above.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:39, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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