# Talk:Black Swan (song)

@Cwmhiraeth: did you click here as asked? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Black Swan (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 05:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Have already explained that this article may take a while to review, will begin today though. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


### Infobox and lead
Can you find any source to add a recording date to the infobox?
Kyle Peake, I don't think so, the least I could find is an interview with one of the songwriters August Rigo where he stated when he found out the song was going to be on the album.--Ashleyyoursmile! 08:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake, can this be loosely used as a source for the recording date? This is the interview I was talking of initially. --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:20, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
No, as Forbes is known to be unreliable. --Kyle Peake (talk) 09:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Are you sure Pdogg and RM weren't credited under their real names as songwriters?
Kyle Peake, credits on South Korea's largest music platform Melon here cite them as Pdogg and RM, however like you said, Korea Music Copyright Association (KOMCA) credits writers using their formal rather than stage names. So should I change to their real names in the infobox keeping the lead fixed?
No, keep as stage names in this case. Also Ashleyyoursmile can you sign off posts like this please, it makes real easier for reading? --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 Done And sorry, I will keep that in mind. --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Change the music video template to using the header Music videos; see "Violent Crimes" for an example of changing the header Done
Just noticed, you still need to cite the single template for the music videos though. --Kyle Peake (talk)
11:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Kyle Peake if it is required to cite just one video in the infobox, should the art film be included or the music video? --Ashleyyoursmile! 12:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry that was unspecific, I meant cite both but use the template for singles as in the music release type. --Kyle Peake (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 Done Changed from song to single template. --Ashleyyoursmile! 13:11, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
"For other songs" → "For other songs of the same title" Done
"is a song recorded by" → "is a song by" Done
"studio album Map of the Soul: 7" → "studio album, Map of the Soul: 7 (2020)" Done
Writing sentence should come as the second one, while release should be third Done
"Clyde Kelly and its producer Pdogg" → "Clyde Kelly and Pdogg, with the latter of the five also handling production" Done
"Musically, "Black Swan" was described" → "Musically, it was described" Done
"It uses lo-fi-style" → "The song uses lo-fi-style" Done
Are you sure "catchy hook" is encyclopedic?
Kyle Peake, should I wikilink catchy to Catchiness or should I just remove the wikilinks and put catchy within quotes?
The latter for layout but still target to Catchiness --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)  Done
"confessing as artists the fear" → "confessing, as artists, the fear" to avoid any confusion Done
"drawing comparisons to the group's" → "with comparisons being drawn to the band's" Done
"received praise from" → "received general praise from"  Done
"Commercially, "Black Swan" debuted" → "Commercially, the former debuted" Done
"and at number one on the" → "and at number one on the US" Done
Change World Digital Songs to World Digital Song Sales Done
Are you sure the UK and US chart positions are notable since they weren't top 40? Maybe replace with higher ones like NZ and Scotland or something?
Kyle Peake, while its not uncommon for an artist to chart in UK and US, its quite rare for acts who sing primarily in Korean so personally I think this should be kept.
Yeah, I agree with this context given. --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC) Done
"in addition to reaching charts" → "in addition to entering record charts"  Done
"of an "art film", featuring" → "of an "art film," including"  Done
"The song's debut" → "The debut of "Black Swan"" Done
"was met with positive reception from critics" → "received positive reviews from critics" Done
"Following the album release" → "Following the release of Map of the Soul: 7" Done
"promoted the single with" → "promoted the song with" Done


### Background and release
Remove wikilink on BTS Done
"and to "enjoy the lives" → "and "enjoy the lives" Done
"in their 20s"." → "in their 20s."" Done
"announced their return to music" → "announced a return to music" Done
Remove wikilink on Map of the Soul: 7 Done
"on February 21" → "on February 21 of that year" Done
"was released on January 8, revealing" → "was released on January 8, 2020, revealing" Done
"included multiple dates" → "featured multiple dates" Done
"its title and artwork were" → "its title and artwork, were" Done
"the first single from the project" → "the first single from Map of the Soul: 7" Done
Mention that the release was in "various countries". Done
The various countries ref should be cited here instead of the solely US one; I am talking about the one currently in Release history Done
"Clyde Kelly and Pdogg" → "Clyde Kelly, and Pdogg" Done
Remove target on produced Done
"Pdogg and mixed by" → "Pdogg, while mixed by" with the target fix suggested Done
"after the group teased the track" → "after BTS teased the track" Done
"from their album" → "from the album" Done
"featuring BTS member" → "performed by band member" Done
"project, Connect, BTS bringing" → "project, Connect, BTS, bringing" Done
"to curate works that" → "for curating works that" Done


### Composition and lyrics
Would suggest adding timed text to the sample file
Kyle Peake, Not sure what that means.  Done --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
The sample exceeds 10% of the song's length, so re-upload a shorter version
Kyle Peake, I am not very familiar with handling media files so I'm not sure how to do this myself.--Ashleyyoursmile! 08:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
An external program such as QuickTime Player + VLC would be used to trim the audio files. --Kyle Peake (talk) 08:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)  Done Could you check if the caption reads right? --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Change "the group's" to "the band's", target music critics to Music journalism and target trap to Trap music, plus can you mention anything about the composition of this pre-bridge section maybe? --Kyle Peake (talk) 11:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC)  Done Except none of the sources mention anything specifically about the composition of pre-bridge.
This is fine then, just needs subtitles. --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake, could you elaborate how the subtitles should be affixed? --Ashleyyoursmile! 17:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
See Talk:Kids See Ghosts (album)/GA1, where I got my advice from on adding subtitles. --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake, two quick questions: 1) Should I just need to edit the timed text tab of the File page (the third tab that appears when I click on the name of the audio file) and add the contents of the srt file that I would create? 2) Should the subtitles be added in (i) Hangul or (ii) only translations in English should be included for the entire sample? --Ashleyyoursmile! 18:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, do that for editing and add in English but mention it is a translation. --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:16, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake, This could take time. Other than that, I have tried to address all other comments. --Ashleyyoursmile! 19:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Ashleyyoursmile I'll take a look at the guidelines and see if there's anything about languages for audio samples. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Update: Think you should just put the captions in the language of the song --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake, Clarification- The sample contains lyrics in Korean and English, so while editing the timed text tab, should like simply proceed by selecting "Korean" as language and press Go? I'm confused as to how the english text will be dealt with though. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake,  Done Just proceeded with it and created the timed text in Korean. Hopefully that should suffice. --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
The text looks good but needs fixes towards the end --Kyle Peake (talk) 09:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake, Edited it again just now, but the problem seems to persist with the English lyrics. No idea how to fix that. --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
It seems like the issue is that the time is being displayed on the lyrics caption, why is this? --Kyle Peake (talk) 15:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake, Yes I have noticed that but not sure why that's happening. The text format seems okay to me. Also the problem starts at line 6, if you notice the span of this particular line is 106 milliseconds, so it barely gets any time to flash on the screen. Any thoughts? I think I need help with this issue. --Ashleyyoursmile! 17:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Maybe open TimedText:Reborn.ogg.en.srt, a file of mine that works fine with captions, in edit source view and see if there's anything there missing from yours in terms of presentation/formatting? --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake  Done Finally, thank you for all the help. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Expand from "A 30-second sample of "Black Swan."" by adding more info about the part of the song sampled that is written out elsewhere in this section too, using citations to back it up of course  Done
[13][14] should both be at the end of the sentence Done
Remove wikilink to Instrumental as it's too obvious Done
Again, is "catchy hook" really encyclopedic? Done
[13][15] should both be at the end of the sentence directly before [16] Done
"of D minor, has a" → "of D minor, with a" Done
Remove wikilink on beats per minute Done
"and is three minutes and eighteen seconds long" → "and has a length of 3:18" Done
[19][20] should both be at the end of the sentence Done
"The song was released in two versions" → "Two versions were released of the song" Done
"an "art film"." → "an "art film."" Done
"The art film features" → "The latter features" Done
"and "pounding beat" → "and a "pounding beat" Done
"Jason Lipshutz, writing for the" → "Jason Lipshutz, writing for" Done
"noted the use of heavy" → "noted the heavy usage of" Done
"traditional 12-stringed Korean instrument- gayageum" → "the traditional 12-stringed Korean instrument gayageum" Done
Target minimalist to Minimal music Done
"their voices sound like" → "the voices of the band sound like" Done
"Critics have compared it to the group's" → "Critics have compared the song to BTS'" Done
Should be Yonhap News Agency instead Done
"Black Swan is a continuation of the" → ""Black Swan" continues the" Done
"The Korea Times press release" → "The Korea Times's press release" Done
"music means to himself"" → "music means to himself,"" Done
[34][35] should both be at the end of the sentence Done
"BTS described the song" → "the band described the song" Done
"In this trap ballet,[30] BTS uses" → "In the trap ballet, BTS use" Done
[30] should be at the end of the sentence before [37][38] Done
"of love for one's craft" → "of love for the craft" Done
[31] should come at the sentence after [21], which should both come after [A] at the end too Done


### Reception
"was met with positive reviews from most music critics" → "was met with generally positive reviews from music critics"  Done
Remove targets on trap, drumbeats and strings  Done
"and chose the song as an album highlight" → "and chose the song as a highlight of Map of the Soul: 7"  Done
"Stereogum's music critic Chris DeVille" → "Stereogum critic Chris DeVille"  Done
"that the version of the song accompanying the art film" → "that the version accompanying the art film"  Done
Target classical to Classical music  Done
"regarded it as BTS'" → "regarded the song as BTS'"  Done
"since the group's 2018 song "Fake Love", adding" → "since "Fake Love" in 2018, adding" since we've already introduced it as their single but can re-mention the release year because this is a new section  Done
"most raw and unflinching"," → "most raw and unflinching,""  Done
Do not need full identification of what type of magazine IZM is; just keep its name and that of the author  Done
""mature", he rated" → ""mature," he rated"  Done
"for theLos Angeles Times, August Brown" → "for the Los Angeles Times, August Brown"  Done
"“Black Swan” as "foggy", "arty" and" → ""Black Swan" as "foggy," "arty" and"  Done
Target hip-hop to Hip hop music  Done
"as "honest and raw", Rhian Daly" → "as "honest and raw," Rhian Daly"  Done
Target radio to Airplay  Done
"choice", putting "artistry" → "choice," putting "artistry"  Done
"of mass appeal"." → "of mass appeal.""  Done
"Robin Murray regarded it as" → "Robin Murray regarded the track as"  Done
Target E! Online to itself instead as that is what you are supposed to do for redirects  Done
"dramatic song yet"." → "dramatic song yet.""  Done
"Upon release," → "Initially,"  Done
"number seven" → "number 7" since MOS:NUM writes about spelling out comparative values  Done
"on the chart issue dated January 19-25, 2020" → "for the issue date of January 25, 2020"  Done
"reaching number 10" → "ultimately reaching number 10"  Done
"of its parent album Map of the Soul: 7" → "of Map of the Soul: 7"  Done
Target Gaon Download Chart to Gaon Music Chart  Done
"remaining in top five for two" → "remaining in the top five for two"  Done
"the eleventh best-performing song of February" → "the 11th best-performing song of the February"  Done
Remove Gaon Monthly Digital Chart's target  Done
"US Billboard Hot 100 becoming the group's eighth" → "US Billboard Hot 100, becoming BTS' 8th Done
"on the chart[48] and ranked" → "on the chart,[48] and ranked at"  Done
"debuted atop the Billboard" → "debuted atop the US Billboard"  Done
Change the chart to being named as World Digital Song Sales instead  Done
"chart on the chart issue dated" → "chart for the issue date of"  Done
"eighteenth chart-topper[50] and" → "18th chart-topper,[50] and the song"  Done
Target Digital Song Sales to Digital Songs  Done
"at number two" → "at number 2"  Done
"and number nine on the" → "and number 9 on the"  Done
[54][55][56][57][58][59] should not all be crammed together like that, place each one after the chart entry it backs up; "Australia,[54]" for example Done


### Music videos
#### Art film
Img needs alt text  Done
On the main text, wikilink art film to itself  Done
"An accompanying music video for "Black Swan" was" → "A music video for "Black Swan" was" with the appropriate wikilink  Done
"an "art film", featuring" → "an "art film," featuring"  Done
"dancer, standing apart from the rest, who" → "dancer standing apart from the rest, who"  Done
"The five-minute video showcases" → "The videos runs for five minutes and showcases"  Done
"turning into the 'black swan', tries" → "turning into the "black swan", tries"  Done
"he is entirely alone" → "the dancer is entirely alone"  Done
"by the others while he flaps" → "by the others, alongside him flapping"  Done
"Visually, the video explores" → "Visually, the clip explores" to avoid repetition  Done
"in the lyrics as reinterpreted" → "in the lyrics, as reinterpreted"  Done
I think the info about inspiration belongs before the synopsis  Done
Should it be "is inspired" or "was inspired"? Done
"called the art-film" → "called the art film"  Done
Remove wikilink on Los Angeles Times and change to "Christie D'Zurilla, writing for the Los Angeles Times,..."  Done
"video "artsy"." → "visual "artsy.""  Done
"Robin Murray deemed it" → "Robin Murray deemed the video"  Done
"riveting watch"." → "riveting watch.""  Done
"interpretive dance"." → "interpretive dance.""  Done
"connected the video" → "connected the music video"  Done


#### Music video
Img needs alt text  Done
Wikilink music video to itself on the main text of the img  Done
"A second music video" → "A second accompanying music video"  Done
"YongSeok Choi and co-directed" → "YongSeok Choi, and co-directed" to specify that Guzza wasn't involved with the other video  Done
"and was shot" → "while the video was shot"  Done
"on a dark stage" → "on the dark stage"  Done
"delivering their verses, surrounded" → "delivering their verses while surrounded"  Done
"in a hall of mirrors as he" → "in a hall of mirrors, as he"  Done
"of their album" → "of the album"  Done
"recurring theme of the album" → "recurring theme of Map of the Soul: 7"  Done
Target psychological thriller to Psychological horror and change target to Black Swan (film) to being on only the "of the same name" text  Done
"of the same name as well as" → "of the same name, as well as"  Done
Add release year of Swan Lake in brackets  Done
Change New York magazine to Vulture  Done
"called the video "perfect"." → "called the video "perfect.""  Done
Remove wikilink on Consequence of Sound  Done
"positively breathtaking"." → "positively breathtaking.""  Done


### Live performances
"on January 28" → "on January 28, 2020"  Done
Remove Grammy sentence since that is not relevant to the song whatsoever  Done
"dance crew CDK. Those performances "had" → "dance crew CDK, which "had"  Done
"the group was barefoot" → "the band members were barefoot"  Done
"which made it look like" → "that made it look like"  Done
Remove wikilink on Stereogum  Done
"lauded the group's" → "lauded the band's"   Done
"performances" writing, "one" → "performances" and wrote, "one"  Done
Merge second para with the first  Done
"the group performed" → "BTS performed"  Done
[89][90][91] should all be at the end of the sentence instead  Done


### Track listing
Streaming should not have any capitalisation  Done


### Credits and personnel
Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel  Done
A col should be used for separation here since it is quite long  Done


### Awards
This should be a sub-section in Reception section  Done
Also invoke the table's ref at the end of the sole sentence here  Done


### Charts
#### Weekly charts
Move that Australia ref solely to the mention of that chart position in Commercial performance and cite in here from the single chart template  Done
Cite for France using the single chart template here too  Done


#### Monthly charts
Good


### Release history
Country → Region  Done
Use bullet points to separate the two different release formats  Done
Only one ref should be included here; I think ref 7, since that supports the info cited in this table  Done


### See also
Good


### Notes
The a should not be capitalised for the note  Done


### References
Looks like you've done a good job of archiving, just run the tool again to check all refs have been archived
Copyvio score looks good, is at 43.2% but that's for a source not used in this article
Change New York magazine to Vulture on ref 2; italicisation represents work/website parameter in all cases I have listed under here, do not actually apply italicisation to this parameter  Done
Names for refs 3, 13, 28, 33, 66, 78, 89, 90 and 91 are the wrong way around  Done
MOS:QWQ issues with ref 6  Done
11 or so citations on ref 7 is too much; trim this to 7 and do that by using the most notable, plus make sure foreign language is always noted  Done
Wikilink to iTunes Store solely on the first citation of ref 7 that mentions it  Done
Wikilink Big Hit Entertainment on ref 10  Done
Cite Yonhap News Agency as publisher instead on ref 14  Done
Refs 17, 49, 50, 51, 52 and 81 are unreliable per WP:RSP and either replace or remove the backed up info from everywhere in the article  Done removed and replaced at suitable places
Cite Musicstax as publisher instead on ref 21 and remove it from the title  Done
Delete ref 22 since Spotify should not be cited; you can use the iTunes ref to back up that info in the body instead  Done
MOS:QWQ and MOS:CAPS issues with ref 26  Done
Ref 33 should cite Yonhap News Agency as publisher instead, but keep no wikilink and fix MOS:QWQ issues  Done
MOS:QWQ issues with ref 43  Done
Ref 53 should not use a Facebook url for archive; fix this  Done
Should ref 61 be via YouTube for consistency?  Done
Cite Vulture instead for refs 63 and 80  Done
Ref 66 says it has never been archived but the original page does load, so archived in its current state  Done
MOS:QWQ issues with refs 73 and 74  Done
Cite Grammy as publisher instead and without capitalisation for ref 75, with target to Grammy Award and fix MOS:QWQ issues  Done
MOS:QWQ issues with refs 76, 77, 82 and 86  Done
Remove wikilinks to Naver on refs 89, 90 and 91  Done
Change Star News to Starnews on refs 90 and 91  Not done WP:KO/RS cites the source name as "Star Today"- I have used this in place of "Star News"
Oh right, that's fine. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Delete ref 92 altogether since it's a duplicate  Done
MOS:CAPS issues with refs 96 and 102  Done
Change ref 103 to only citing Recording Industry Association of Malaysia in publisher with the wikilink  Done
Wikilink Recording Industry Association (Singapore) on ref 105  Done
Remove wikilinks on Billboard for refs 107 and 112  Done
Remove wikilink to Rolling Stone on ref 111  Done


### External links
Delete this section as those videos are linked in the infobox  Done


### Final comments and verdict
 On hold after I worked on this for a full day, proudly fulfilling your desire. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Peake I think that I have addressed everything above, but I could have missed something. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 Pass, good job! --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:25, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Will we be adding this somewhere in the prose of the article? While single vendors are not included in Chart sections, allowance is made for including their mention in the body of an article if a significant record is set or broken on a particular platform. Black Swan broke the record for most itunes #1's with 103 (then soon after 104), surpassing the record previously held by Adele with 102. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Just leaving the link here in case it's appropriate to be added under the Accolades section maybe. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

It's also #5 on Buzzfeed's 35 K-pop songs that defined 2020 list, but I'm unsure if this would be an okay listicle to mention since BF is a mixed bag for some. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:37, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

BTS being referred to as a Boy Group is the correct terminology as seen in many other Korean KPop groups, such as Twice, TXT, Seventeen, Red Velvet, MonstaX, etc. This term is an Americanized Western term that does not apply to Korean idol groups. BTS should not be considered a boy band and they do not fall under the same category as other boy bands. It would be the same as me calling The Weeknd an Idol instead of a Celeb, the term is incorrect because he is not a Korean artist. The same applies to BTS not being American artists. Not only that but the Wikipedia term for boy band states that they generally perform love songs marketed toward their fans. BTS has only recently done this, but the majority of their music is not love songs. BTS deserve to be categorized correctly as a boy group as they are called in their own country and not incorrectly as a boy band. 2604:3D09:6780:E700:7D5B:E195:6A45:E83A (talk) 15:19, 3 June 2025 (UTC)