# Talk:Alvin Dark

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Can anyone find a source that lists all the other managers who have won AL and NL pennants? I'm sure it's right, but I'm having trouble finding one source that lists it. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 20:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Alvin Dark's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "reference":
From Sal Maglie: "Sal Maglie Stats". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved August 9, 2020.
From Albert Pujols: "Albert Pujols Statistics and History". Baseball-Reference.com. Archived from the original on July 7, 2009. Retrieved July 8, 2012.
From Buster Posey: "Buster Posey Statistics and History". Baseball-Reference.com. Retrieved November 13, 2012.
From Johnny Antonelli: "Johnny Antonelli Stats". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved August 26, 2020.
From Bobby Richardson: "Bobby Richardson Stats". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved April 9, 2020.
From Todd Worrell: "Todd Worrell Stats". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved August 21, 2020.
From Herb Washington: "Player Page". Baseball-Reference.com. Retrieved November 11, 2007.
From Willie Mays: "Willie Mays Stats". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved June 27, 2020.
From John Montgomery Ward: "John Montgomery Ward's career statistics". baseball-reference.com. Retrieved 2007-11-17.
From Dick Donovan: "Dick Donovan Stats". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved March 19, 2020.
From Moe Drabowsky: "Moe Drabowsky Stats". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved January 26, 2020.
From Al Worthington: "Al Worthington Stats". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved August 12, 2020.
From Tommy John: "Tommy John Statistics and History". Baseball-Reference. Retrieved January 27, 2016.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Alvin Dark/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 08:16, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll pick this one up, review coming as soon as possible. Kosack (talk) 08:16, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


### Lead
Al is a common hypochrism of Alvin so probably doesn't need listing per WP:OPENPARA.
Link World Series at the end of the first paragraph.
What does "lettered" mean, is it a common term in American sports? Is there a possible link for it?
Not sure myself - changed to played. I think that was there before I started working on the article! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 19:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Link the 1954 World Series as well.
Is the statement about him not being in the Hall of Fame, bit Rizzuto and Reese being in, relevant to the lead? Is it a well noted point that he hasn't been inducted?
It summarizes his career by referring to his career totals, and it is a point that's made in the SABR article on him. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 19:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
"accused him of making racist comments, though, and he was fired", is though needed here, it seems to be making the sentence unnecessarily clunky?


### Military service
"Upon his return to the states in", I'm assuming States should be capitalised here?


### New York Giants (1950–56)
Link Associated Press.
Do we know what Conley was calling Dark in his rantbor are you censoring it?
The quote is the way it appears in Dark's autobiography. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 19:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


### Later years
"After batting 297" and "batted 295, there are no periods before these mentions whereas the rest seem to use them, I'm assuming that's an oversight?
"Dark had a role in one of baseball history's weirdest plays", weirdest sounds a little informal, perhaps strangest or most unusual?
"with a count of 3-1", use an endash for scorelines.
"Because the ball was still in play, and because Delmore", the double use of because is a little repetitive. Could just start the sentence with As perhaps?


### Manager
Link Sports Illustrated.
Temper tantrum seems to depict him as being rather childish. Perhaps something like angry outburst or fit of rage?
"slumped to a 62-99 record" and "triumphs in 1972-73", use an endash for scores, year ranges or records.


### References
Refs are well formatted and a spot check on a few comes back fine. Nothing of concern there.
Nice work, a couple of minor points above but this is pretty much ready to I would say. Placed on hold for now while these are addressed. Kosack (talk) 20:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

All my comments have been suitably addressed, happy to promote. Kosack (talk) 11:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware that there is no hard-and-fast rule for recommended length of Wikipedia articles. But I happened to have noticed something here, when I clicked on a link in this article to Ducky Schofield, and from there to Ducky's son Dick Schofield.  If you add together the length of the articles about the two Schofields - who played a combined 33 years in the Major Leagues - and then multiplied that number by 10, it would probably still make for a smaller article than this one here.  Alvin Dark's Wikipedia article goes into excruciating detail about regular season highlights of each and every year of his career.  The Schofields get a brief overview, and that's it.  How do these things happen?  This article here is waaay too long.  And the other referenced articles seem to be far too succinct.  Is there such a thing as a happy middle?  And no, I don't want to spend hours trimming down this article.  I can't imagine reading the whole thing, let alone editing it.  Seems like torture.
Matza Pizza (talk) 15:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)