# Talk:1985 Wales v Scotland football match

This review is transcluded from Talk:1985 Wales vs Scotland football match/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: The C of E (talk · contribs) 17:41, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 

This is my first GA review so it might not be the best but from what I read It is overall good, however there are some issues I think need to be addressed.

What makes "11vs11.com" a reliable source?
What makes Source 2 reliable?
The mention that the England-Scotland games would continue needs a source
The last paragraph of the Home Internationals section should be reworded as it looks like an opinion
In the next section, the part where it says the Spain-Iceland match was later needs a source
No need to link FAW when you've already linked Football Association of Wales earlier
Stadia should be changed to stadiums.
Sources 7 and 8 fall foul of WP:WINARS and should be changed.
SFA should not be an anacronym for the first reference to it
The referee section should be rewritten as calling the ref "overtly strict" is not neutral
Source 22 is not reliable as it is made of user generated content (and calling the person they are writing about as "arrogant" on the first word is definatly not a neutral observation.)
Is having a picture of myopia really nessecary? It doesn't seem to add that much.
Alex Ferguson should be linked when he is first mentioned
The part in the second half section about Davie Cooper should be rewritten as it violated WP:PEA
The paragraph where Stein collapses and is taken to the medical room should be sourced
The last paragraph of the aftermath should be changed to something along the lines of "Because Stein had stopped taking......"
the multiple linked Alex Fergusons should be delinked after the first link mention
The second to last sentence in the first paragraph on the Wales section is non-neutral and should be rewritten.
What make sources 34 and 35 reliable?
Source 37 should say SFA
Other than those, it fulfills the critera and I'll happily take another look when the above are rectified. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


### Amendments
11vs11.com is the website of The Association of Football Statisticians and provides statistical information for various organisations including The FA, Premier League, Football League, football clubs, as well as other organisations in need of football statistics Commercial Services
Source 2 changed to newspaper story
Added source for continuation of England v Scotland games after end of British Home Championship
Reworded paragraph to remove appearance of opinion
Added source for date of Spain v Iceland
Removed additional links to FAW
Unchanged - stadia is a legitimate plural of stadium. If people don't like it then they can change it
Removed Wikipedia pages as sources and replaced with pages from 11vs11.com
Added Scottish Football Association
Reworded paragraph to remove appearance of opinion
Added new link that includes quote by referee from Dutch newspaper
Unchanged - image of myopia emphasises the condition and the difficulty Jim Leighton had IMO
Removed additional links to Alex Ferguson
Reworded section about Davie Cooper
Added source for Stein being removed to treatment room
Reworded paragraph about Stein not taking medication
Reworded paragraph about penalties
Source 34 is a newspaper article; Source 35 is a message board containing personal recollections from Scotland fans
Altered Source 35 to say SFA
Hammersfan (talk) 12:18, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

All changes allay the concerns of the list, however I'm not too happy with source 23 used to ref the referee section as it doesn't specifically mention what is said in the article and the fact that it is a blog means I suspect it would fall foul of WP:BLOGS. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 14:44, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Changed this reference to a direct quote from the individual on the Voetbal.nl website which is sourced from the KNVB (Dutch Football Association) Hammersfan (talk) 10:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I think we have a new GA. Congratulations. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 13:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure that the bit in the aftermath section about "Welsh home venues" is really relevant to this article. The changes it covers do not seem to be a direct consequence of this match and I fail to see how the section covering stadiums used by the Welsh national team between 2000 and 2013 relates to this article. I think there is a case for pulling this section, or at the very least severely reducing it. Dunarc (talk) 22:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)