# Talk:Alfriston Market Cross

Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) guidelines suggest ‘Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability’.
Grade I listed buildings in England are, by definition, of exceptional architectural and historic interest; they are covered by their entry on the National Heritage List for England (NHLE), and are usually covered in The Buildings of England – both ‘reliable, third-party sources’.
Grade I listed buildings therefore meet the notability criteria for buildings and should each be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article; and Alfriston Market Cross is a Grade I listed building. Topo122 (talk) 12:42, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Alfriston Market Cross/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 14:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)


### Criteria
1. Well-written

Prose clear/concise/understandable Y
Spelling/Grammar Y
MOS lead N - Lead needs expansion; it does not provide a summary of the contents of the article.
MOS layout Y
Fiction/buzzwords/lists/etc. Y
2. Verifiable

List of references properly formatted Y
Inline citations from reliable sources Y
No original research N - Not all statements are cited
NO COPYVIO Y None detected
3. Broad in coverage

Covers main aspects Y, although a mention of the market cross being recognized as a Listed Building would be nice.
Stays on topic Y
4. Neutral Y
5. Stable Y
6. Illustrated if possible

Media tagged for copyright status Y
Media relevant Y


### Comments
Lead - The lead should provide a summary of the contents of the article, so it would be appropriate to give a brief summary of the market cross' history in the lead.  Also, the listed building status is not mentioned in the rest of the article, and it probably should be.

Brief summary added as suggested. Listed building status is now mentioned in the 'History' section of the article. Topo122 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Infobox - The Listed Building designation date is not cited in the article text or the infobox.

The date was given in the Infobox (second to last item - 13 October 1952). Date now also given in the article text. Topo122 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
History - "It is likely the market cross was erected around the time the charter was granted." - Citation needed

Citation added.  Topo122 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
So drunken Canadians (in specific) vandalized the monument during both World Wars?

The local newspapers specifically refer to Canadians, who were billeted locally in both wars.  They didn't vandalise (ie, deliberately damage) the cross.  They accidentally damaged it by trying to climb it. Topo122 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
We don't have a mention of it being listed as a Listed Building in the article text, this would probably be desirable.

Date first listed added to 'History' section.
That's all, it looks like.  Great job! Hog Farm (talk) 14:57, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for a very thorough and helpful review! Topo122 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Destruction and restoration of the market cross, 1955-56 - "Alfriston Parish Council decided to restore the cross once again" - I speak American English, which would use "The Alfriston Parish Council".  However, this article should definitely use British English.  Is the exclusion of the article "the" in this case standard BE usage?

It is standard British English usage - see Alfriston Parish Council’s website for examples. Topo122 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
The Ship of Theseus paradox - "In the metaphysics of identity, the Ship of Theseus is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object that has had all its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object." - We need a citation for this, the paradox is not common knowledge.

I had assumed the Wikilink to Ship of Theseus was sufficient, but I have now added a reference provided by this article. Topo122 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Also known in the UK as Trigger's Broom after a character in the sitcom "Only Fools and Horses" Murgatroyd49 (talk) 20:23, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
And 'King Charles axe', after the axe used to execute Charles I. Topo122 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Pinging nominator, @Topo122:. Hog Farm (talk) 20:54, 8 February 2020 (UTC)