# Talk:Ball Ground, Georgia

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@Magnolia677: I wanted to discuss the edit you made and try to work that out, because the fact that Cherokee lived there but were removed and the land given out is an important part of how Ball Ground came to be. Your edit summary says that “none of the sources mention Ball Ground” but I have to disagree. The very first source in that section specifically mentions Ball Ground within the first sentence. The second source does not mention Ball Ground because the Cherokee were removed from the whole county; there's no reason to single out the area of Ball Ground and while it's true that this part is not specifically unique to Ball Ground, it does apply to Ball Ground and more specifically provides context for the next part, which ‘’does’’ discuss Ball Ground, albeit not by name. this source about the land lottery does not mention Ball Ground because it is impossible for it to do so; it is a contemporary source. If you’ll notice it does not mention ‘’any’’ city in what is now Cherokee County, because nothing existed or was named there at the time except for the carved out county names. However the general map on page 16 and the more detailed map on page 66 does describe the land that is now Ball Ground (it’s around grid marker 55). They don’t call it by name because it didn’t have a name, but the source does describe Ball Ground’s lands and how they were distributed via the land lottery, and that context is important for the history of the town. The last source that was removed just verifies the treaty information to give context to the timetable. But there is a source in each of those paragraphs that mentions Ball Ground (or describes the land that will become Ball Ground) so it is cited and relevant to the article, and because of that I think it needs to be reinserted into the article, especially because it makes following sections that use sources that explicitly mention the Cherokee returning to Ball Ground seem without context if the article doesn't mention that they were ever there or that they left. - Aoidh (talk) 23:43, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Aoidh: Thank you for writing.  I missed the reference to "Ball Ground" in the first source because it was spelled differently. Please add back information about the Battle of Taliwa and any other information specific to Ball Ground.  My concern on this and many articles is that information added is too broad and not specific to the city, and would be more appropriate on an article about the county. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 07:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back with me. I'm assuming you have no objection to the second paragraph that discusses the land lottery since the source does describe Ball Ground without actually using the words "Ball Ground", so based on that assumption I'm going to re-add both paragraphs, but I'll tweak them a bit and add the source that mentions how the Cherokee later returned to Ball Ground as verification that they were there to leave in the first place, if that makes sense. - Aoidh (talk) 08:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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Why is Gibbs Gardens mentioned as being inside the city? Anyone looking at a map can tell it is quite a distance from the incorporated city limits. It may be within the USPS ZIP Code area (30107), but that ZIP covers quite a large part of the county, well outside of the city.  — TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 09:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Because we use what reliable sources to determine content, and reliable sources (example) describe it as being in Ball Ground. - Aoidh (talk) 19:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@TadgStirkland401: I've reverted the formatting changes introduced, as per MOS:VAR the formatting style should not be changed to another formatting (in this case the line breaks after each parameter and moving infobox citations to the end) if it is used consistently in an article, as it is here. The changes to the lede are less concise and are not an improvement, wikilinking things like United States is a MOS:OVERLINK concern, and while the names of additional city officials like city manage is and should be discussed in the government section for US cities, that level of governing does not need to go into the infobox. - Aoidh (talk) 20:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Aoidh… What can I say? I tried… Did you also revert the obvious grammar errors I fixed? — TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 21:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

The infobox contains a motto(s) entry with a citation to the official Ball Ground website. It states the motto as “Where we roll out the red carpet, not the red tape". I have searched the site and the motto is not mentioned anywhere. Should this reference be removed? — TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 01:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

It probably should be removed or updated. The website did previously show this at the top up until around 2021, but it looks like that changed to Historic Past − Bright Future some time in the last couple of years. - Aoidh (talk) 05:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Aoidh, the second sentence in the lede says, “The city was originally Cherokee territory before they were removed from the land and it was given to white settlers.” This seems awkwardly worded. The land was originally within Cherokee territory. But there was no city there within Cherokee territory. Can this sentence be phrased better? — TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 09:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)