# Talk:Birbhum district

We need to find a good copyright-free map.
We need to put information on
Demography (eg distribution of population of different religions),
Economy,
Transport,
Education,
Sports
Reformatting is required for the page
Some good photograph (eg that of Khowai or baich khela etc)
Dr.saptarshi 20:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I have an interest in the region and can provide some assistance. I have already done some cleaning up. Maybe, I will do so again. However, I do not have any photgraphs.  
Please do not put in unnecessary links. It makes the reading jarring. P.K.Niyogi 15:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I have done another round of work on this and replaced the clean up tag with a stub tag. It requires further attention. I am still working on Asansol and Durgapur and want to work on Bardhaman district, as there is hardly any material on it. Bardhaman will consume much of my time. May be, I will return later to Birbhum, if no one else does anything significant, in the meantime.  P.K.Niyogi 07:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
By "ever unsettled" as an adjective to Santhals I means both migratory as well as fighting behavior.. They are a component of the "Bir" behavior of this land. They come in from bihar as labourers, then get exploited and dont realize.. and suddenly when this realization dawns upon them, they explode and create furor.. But they are simple people easy to diatract. Just one bag of toddi or one bucketful of puffed rice chills their brain and cools their tummy. They need more education and basic amenities. :)-Dr.saptarshi 13:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Can any of you please explore this site and curette some encyclopedic info?
http://www.wbcensus.gov.in/DataTables/01/FrameTable2_4.htm
Please click on the presentation at the top menu for some very interesting stuff. Dr.saptarshi 14:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Chandan, to me it looks more like waist. The northern districts like Darjeeling for the head, Dinajpur and Malda the bosom and Birbhum and Murshidabad the waist.--ManasShaikh (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The wording is "south of the narrow neck of of the state". Uttar Dinajpur is tradtionally referred to as the narrow neck. I think that the concept can be dropped. - Chandan Guha (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
It is dropped - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. :) --ManasShaikh (talk) 18:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Birbhum district/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
I will be reviewing this article over the next several days. If you have any comments on the article, you are welcome to post them below. SBC-YPR (talk) 13:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


### Review
Thank you for nominating this article for good article review. I have assessed it against the six good article criteria, and commented in detail below:
1. Writing:

(a) Prose
A few sentences that are in need of correction :
The western region of Birbhum is a bushy plateau, a part of the Chhotanagpur terrain. Does the flora consist of mainly bushes? Also, 'bushy region' and 'Chhotangpur plateau' would sound more appropriate. - Done
("pathless country of Ladha (Rarh) in Vajjabhumi and Subbhabhumi (probably suhma)") The over-bracketisation could be done away with by internal linking, for instance Ladha instead of "Ladha (Rarh)", and so on. - Done
The Rarh region was part of the Maurya empire. It was subsequently included in the empire of the... The use of the word 'subsequently' in the second sentence would require the use of 'initially' in the first. - Done
Minhaj-i-Siraj, the author of the Tabaqat-i-Nasiri mentions about Lakhnur, the headquarters This could be better worded as 'Minhaj-i-Siraj, in his work Tabaqat-i-Nasiri, mentions Lakhnur as the headquarters... etc.' - Done
Delimitation was made effective for all elections in the state of West Bengal that is held on or after 19 February 2008 The tense needs to be consistent. - Done
Wild leopards and bears are not to be seen any more This could be better worded as 'Leopards and bears are not to be seen any more in the wild'. - Done
Tantrics (including the Vajrayana, Shaktas), Replace the parantheses by commas. - Done
The coordinates mentioned in Geography section - Situated between 23° 32' 30" (right above the tropic of cancer) and 24° 35' 0" north latitude and 87° 5' 25" and 88° 1' 40" east longitudes - could use the relevant template. - Cannot locate template showing a range of coordinates
(b) Manual of style
The lead section is rather scant and could be expanded and improved using these guidelines. - Done
Layout
The four paragraphs in the sub-section Medieval Age could be merged into two by combining the first two and last two paragraphs. - Done
The sub-section Modern Era could use a copyedit. - Done
The sub-section Rivers requires a copyedit for grammar. - Done
In the Subdivisions section, the second, third and fourth sentences (details of subdivisions) should be omitted as they are repeated later. - Done
The sections on Subdivisions and Legislative Constituencies could be merged into one section titled Political and administrative divisions. - Done
The two paragraphs in the Transport section could be merged into one. Also, information on inland waterways and airports, if any, could be added. - Done No information available on waterways and airports
The sentence on Amartya Sen could be moved from the lead section to the sub-section on Personalities under the Culture section. - Done
Peacock terms and weasel words should be avoided :
Some have opined that - Done
The red soil and the shallow serpentine rivers ridden with sand islands have inspired the poets from this land. - Done
The folk culture of Birbhum is specially enriched - Done
According to some authorities, these are transformed old deities  - Done
Overlinking in the article should be removed. - Done
2. Sourcing:

(a) References
Generally satisfactory where existing. See also the comments on "in-line citations" below:
(b) In-line citations
The following sentences or phrases in the article need to be referenced with a citation:
Other than Tagore, another Nobel laureate Amartya Sen lived here. - Done
The name Birbhum comes probably from the term Land (Bhumi) of the Brave (Bir). - Done
Some have opined that the district bears the name of Bir kings who ruled in the area. - Done
Mythology has it that the forests of Bajrabhumi (west Birbhum) were hot-spots of Hindu and tantric  activities.:::*The western portion of the district is historically known as Vajjabhumi or Bajrabhumi. - Done
Now Goddess Manasa is worshiped for protection from snake bite.  - Done
usual characteristics of rice fields in Bengal - Done
(c) Original research
The following sentences would constitute original research and need to be removed :
Festivities have added to the joy of the people and these have varied with the seasons - Done
According to the Dharmapuran, even kings worshipped Dharma Thakur. In some places there are festivals called Dharmer Gajan - Done

3. Broadness:

(a) Topic coverage
The article broadly addresses all relevant aspects of the topic.
(b) Focus
The section on Culture could be hived off to a separate article and only the essentials retained here, in accordance with summary style. - Done
4. Neutrality:

The following sentences need to be reworded in accordance with the NPOV policy.
Replete with diversity, this land has inspired many cultural and religious movements in history. - Done
Instead of repeatedly using this land, use the district which is more neutral.
5. Stablility:

The edit history reveals the article to be stable, with no major content disputes or edit wars.
6. Images:

(a) Copyright status
This image does not appear to be a work of the U.S. government, but has been stated to be so on its description page on Commons. This would defeat Wikipedia's copyright policy and should be removed. - Done
Other images do not appear to have problems with copyright status.
(b) Relevance and captioning
The image depicting terracota carvings at Kendubillo and Surul appear to have no direct connection to the article, as neither of these places find any mention in the article. - Done mentioned places in the article
Either of the terracotta design images could be deleted as it would not add any significant value to the article in the presence of the other.- Done
A picture each of the flora and fauna, Poush Mela and any famous personality from the district could be added if available, with suitable captions. - One pic added, others not available

As a result of the above, I have placed the article on hold. Editors have upto two weeks to make necessary changes, after which a reassessment will be carried out. Feel free to contact me on my talk page for any clarifications. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 18:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


### Request for more time
User:Chandan Guha who made a lot of useful contributions recently on this article, has taken a break for two weeks on 14th April. So, requesting for more time for implementing the suggested changes.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Granted. Hold period will be extended by ten days till May 9. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


### Note from reviewer
I'm just back from a wikibreak that got prolonged due to internet connectivity issues. My connection seems to be working fine now, and I will start assessing the changes that have been made to the article over the past three weeks (and the incorporation of suggestions made in the review) from today. A report of the same should be ready in a couple of days, and based on that I will take a decision whether to pass or fail the article. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 18:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


### Report of Assessment
Apologies for the delay - my connection continues to give me trouble and I am able to access WP only intermittently. I have assessed the changes made to the article based on the earlier review, and a report of the same follows.
1. Writing:

(a) Prose
Although the article has improved tremendously in terms of prose, some work still needs to be done in correcrting grammatical errors which are still present. Sentences could also be better organised in the structuring of paragraphs - in particular the lead and sections on economy and flora and fauna.
Consistency needs to be maintained  - for instance, all terms like "Vajjabhumi" need to be italicised throughout the article. Done
All units should be metric (SI) units per the Indian Wikiproject guidelines and imperial equivalents such as acres, miles etc. may be mentioned after the SI unit. Done
Avoid mentioning names of unknown places or persons before describing them. Specific instances of this have been mentioned in the sections below.
(b) Manual of style
The lead section has taken on a better shape now. However, here are a souple of suggestions to improve it further (apart from the general restructuring mentioned above):
The fact that it borders Jharkhand could be indicated in the sentence about its location, per the Indian Wikiproject guidelines. Done
The demographics sound repetitive and do not add any real value to the lead. They could be removed. Done
Layout
Since the etymology of the district is not very elaborate, it does not require a separate section and could be added as a paragraph of the lead. Also, are the first and second sentences about the etymology related? If so, please indicate the same.Done Also, the first sentence states the theory that it could simply mean land of the brave. Second sentence states 'another' theory that it was named after a royal family who ruled there. These two are unrelated theory;  'Another theory' should indicate that to the reader. However, digging out more info to elaborate the difference would be difficult to get.--GDibyendu (talk) 14:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Shifting the Geography section to just before the History section would be useful in understanding terms like Vajjabhumi which are otherwise not explained earlier.Done
The section on Political and Administrative divisions should be updated to reflect the current status after the recently-concluded Lok Sabha elections. The sub-section on impact of delimitation could be shortened or merged with the preceding section, if need be.Done
The first two sentences in the second paragraph of the Culture section could be moved to the end of the paragraph for maintaining coherence.Done
Similarly, the last sentences of the sub-section on Personalities could be moved to the beginning of the preceding paragraph, in order to maintain continuity.Done
The statistics on educational institutions in the Literacy and education could be better incorporated into a list. Done
2. Sourcing:

(a) References
The existing references are generally satisfactory. However, efforts could be made to diversify the number of sources - a majority of the references seem to be from a single magazine. See also the comments on "in-line citations" below: (added more references)
(b) In-line citations
The following sentences require citations:
One traditional village level religious team sport of Birbhum is "baich khela" which is a competition of taking the whole idol of goddess Durga and her companion icons on bamboo supports and carrying it around with lots of lights ("hajak lights"), dhak (drum) beat and fanfare all around the village. Unable to locate reference - deleted
I wrote the above based on my personal experience. Baich is a local term for competetion, I am not sure of its etymology. It is more often used for boat races in many parts of greater Bengal which are rich in rivers. Reference for boat races called baich can be found in many magazines and official sites:
http://www.thedailystar.net/magazine/2008/10/02/cover.htm
http://www.barrackpore.gov.in/HTM/sdobkp_river_khals.htm
In the neighbouring Murshidabad district the baich happens on boat. But since majority of the villages in Birbhum are inland they hold the race on the land. I will try to get somebody to get a picture of baich khela, but would that become original research? Do I need to publish an article in a peer reviewed magazine first before it can be put up on wikipedia? Hajak in the local language refers to petromax lamps. --Dr.saptarshi (talk) 21:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

If you can find a suitable reference like the above two, pertaining to a baich held in Birbhum, it would constitute a valid reference and the deleted text could be replaced. Wikipedia's [original research policy does not apply to images - so you can upload any of your own, as long as they comply with the image upload guidelines. An article, on the other hand, would have to be published first before it can be cited on Wikipedia. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 03:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Nanoor is the birthplace of the 14th century poet Chandidas Rami. Done
Some wild boars and wolves may still be found in the small forests of Chinpai, Bandarsol and Charicha. Done
(c) Original research
The article now appears to be free from original research.
3. Broadness:

(a) Topic coverage
The article broadly addresses all relevant aspects of the topic.
(b) Focus
Satisfactory. The requirements of summary style have been adhered to.
4. Neutrality:

The article represents viewpoints fairly and without bias.
5. Stability:

The edit history reveals the article to be stable, with no major content disputes or edit wars.
6. Images:

(a) Copyright status
The images are tagged and have no problem with copyright status.
(b) Relevance and captioning
The images are relevant to the topic and have suitable captions.

As a result of the above, I have decided to keep the article on hold, as I am of the opinion that the editors are capable of making the required changes in order to upgrade this article to GA-status. I will also help out with copyediting. The final assessment of changes will be carried out at the end of ten days from today, and I will take a final call as to whether to pass or fail the article. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 09:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


### Final review
GA review (see here for criteria)
The article has grown in strength and quality over the past couple of months, and full credits are due to the editors who worked tirelessly and enthusiastically to achieve this. I am glad to state that the article now meets all the good article criteria. However, I would recommend a peer review before this article is taken up at FAC.
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 
If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it up for reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 04:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I have an 1842 source here that says ... coal mines in Pachete and Bheerbhoome ... in Bengal ... within the space included by the river Adji to the north, the border of Burdwan to the east, the river Damooda to the south, and a circular line to the west, described from the town of Aytura in Pachete, at the distance of ten miles from Aytura, between the one river and the other.
The nearest match for "Bheerbhoome" is this article, although I can find no match for "Pachete". Can anyone place this area? Are there any old maps that might assist? It relates to a new article that I am fettling up, Suetonius Grant Heatly. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

The place/area could be in the Asansol region, which has Ajay River to the north and Damodar River to the south. The area was once ruled by the Rajas of Panchkote (Panchet). - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, that makes sense because of the coal mining aspect, but I couldn't find Pachete or Bheerbhoome there either. What with transliteration issues + old-fashioned Brit spelling, getting a fix on places can be a real pain. - Sitush (talk) 11:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Meant to say, Panchkote --> Panchet --> Pachete: it could be. Does it work out phonetically? - Sitush (talk) 11:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Please see Rennel's map around 1764-66, which shows "Pachait" in what is now the Asansol Region. It also shows "Soorie". - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Genius. I can see another problematic name on there, Palamow. This does the trick for me. Thanks very much for your help. - Sitush (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
The map also shows "Beerboin", just around where Birbhum district presently is. - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
It shows Pachete by that name, just above the capital letter A of "Pachait Burd". I've found a description that refers to "the great hill of Pachete, from which innumerable dykes issue". Whether that means the hill is called Pachete or there is a hill at a place called Pachete is moot. I am wondering whether it would be possible for me to sort of highlight the various names relevant to my on this map & upload it under another file name, or whether that would just cause other problems. I'm not very good with image work. I had hoped to link to articles but that now looks unlikely. - Sitush (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
"Pachait" is both a place (see small letters) and an area. "Burd" is shortened version of Burdwan. "Pachait" obviously refers to Panchakot kingdom, which was in decline in Rennel's time. There is a hill named Panchet Hill on the shores of Damodar River. It was earlier called Panchakot Hill. Panchet Dam has been named after the hill. There is another place Garh Panchkot linked with this name. - Chandan Guha (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I believe that this states clearly, without any ambiguity, "The body of each article, preferably in its first paragraph, should list all frequently used names by which its subject is widely known. When the native name is written in a non-Latin script, this representation should be included along with a Latin alphabet transliteration. For example, the Beijing article should mention that the city is also known as Peking, and that both names derive from the Chinese name 北京."
Keeping this in view, native name in the native script should have been included in the article. Shovon (talk) 04:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

This article is part of WP:WikiProject India. The project have decided that Indian articles should not include indic script in the lead. See WP:INDICSCRIPT. noq (talk) 19:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry noq, the closing admin's observation hardly comes across as a consensus to me. Its written, "There is ultimately no consensus about which language to use, but I see a fair bit of support in regards to IPA and pronunciation and would think this would help normal readers, so I am going to say that 'Using IPA to clarify pronunciation' is the consensus of this discussion, all other sections do not meet a level of consensus needed to pass.'" I don't see the justification at all! Shovon (talk) 05:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
I have mentioned your concerns on the project talk page to see what participants of that project think. noq (talk) 07:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
The consensus was there and has been widely applied. However, various discussions at WT:INB have indicated that appropriate scripts would be ok for geographic articles.. "Appropriate" means scripts that are the primary official language for the area, as determined by reference to sources. I don't like this exception but it does seem to have support. - Sitush (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm. So it means that -
a) For geographic articles, script of the primary official language of the area can be added.
b) For biographical articles, only IPA and pronunciation should be added.
So, I am re-inserting the Bengali script in this article then. I hope it is alright. Shovon (talk) 10:24, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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I am so thrilled to see that this article which I had started 10 years back has become a good article. Hats off to all the people whose focussed team work made this achievement. Would it be possible for any of the locally available contributors to get some information on the unique foods, cuisines of this area? Eg I remember that there were some sort of crispies like "Hurum" and "shyao bhaja" etc, and there were murabba made of asparagus roots that I had seen in Suri which was locally called "shatamooli'r morobba".. which I think are unique delicacies worth documenting and presenving. But of course for the text content we will need some 3rd party references as we cannot put original research here. But some original pictures can be put in --Dr.saptarshi (talk) 10:30, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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I noticed that the concerned section included a lot of people who were not particularly notable, so I decided it would be sensible to remove them. I also reordered the list based on relative importance since that would provided a better overview of the notable people from the district. Murkut23 (talk) 18:23, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

@Murkut23: To address your concern, please have a read on Wikipedia:Notability. All articles that you have removed actually meet the Notability standards of Wikipedia. 'Importance' is subjective, and Wikipedia is not a place of subjectivity, so your edits will have to be reverted once again. Please avoid asserting your bias as it will constitute an edit war and escalate the issue unnecessarily. Jaunpurzada (talk) 12:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
I have reviewed your message. Stating that the removed articles meet the WP:NOTABILITY is irrelevant as it does not govern list content. Under the section "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists," it specifies that the controlling policies are WP:UNDUE, WP:BALANCE, and other content policies like WP:SUMMARY. Your additions seem to violate all three.
WP:UNDUE & WP:SUMMARY: This list is a high-level summary of the district's most significant figures. It is not an indiscriminate directory. The mass inclusion of primarily local politicians and other marginally notable people gives them undue weight, creating a false equivalence with figures of far greater stature.
WP:NPOV: The Neutral Point of View requires balance. Skewing the list heavily toward one field (local politics) creates a non-neutral, unbalanced representation of the notable people from this district.
Also, please have a look at WP:BIO: it specifically states that "...the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article..."
This is a dispositive test of inclusion into the list. For figures like Tagore (Noble laureate), Amartya Sen (Noble laureate), or Pranab Mukherjee (President of India), the answer is yes. Their connection to the district is integral to its story and of high encyclopedic importance. For the recently added individuals—primarily local politicians—the answer is no. They would not be mentioned in the main text of an article about the district itself.
Therefore, their inclusion fails the explicit test set by WP:BIO. This guideline is the mechanism by which broader policies like WP:RSUW, WP:SUMMARY, and WP:NPOV are enforced in this context. The pattern of additions, focusing heavily on one demographic, created an unbalanced list that violated NPOV, and the low caliber of the additions violated the principles of due weight and summary style.
If you are so inclined, you may link to a separate article in the concerned section listing down all notable peopled linked to the district.
If this dispute still persists, I will be compelled to open a RfC. Murkut23 (talk) 19:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

This RfC seeks to establish clear inclusion criteria for the "Notable People" list, following a dispute over recent large-scale additions of individuals with primarily local careers. Murkut23 (talk) 18:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
A content dispute has arisen over large-scale additions to this section. Historically, the list has featured individuals of national or international prominence, such as Nobel laureates Rabindranath Tagore and Amartya Sen, and President of India Pranab Mukherjee. Recently, a significant number of individuals whose careers are primarily in local politics have been added. This raises the question of the appropriate standard for inclusion.
The dispute centers on the application of core content policies. The principle of WP:DUE requires that we avoid giving undue weight to minor aspects of a subject, while WP:SUMMARY establishes that this section should serve as a high-level summary, not an indiscriminate directory. Furthermore, a non-neutral balance of entries creates concerns under the WP:NPOV policy.
The WP:BIO guideline provides a dispositive test for this situation, stating that entries in a list within an article must have "the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article itself."
There are two main viewpoints in this dispute. The first is that any individual from the district with a Wikipedia article is eligible for inclusion.
The second viewpoint, based on the policies cited above, is that inclusion must be more selective. It argues that the list should be limited to only those individuals whose connection to the district is so significant that they would warrant mention in the main prose of the article itself, thereby satisfying WP:BIO/WP:SUMMARY and WP:DUE. This would naturally encompass figures of national/international importance and major cultural or historical figures, but exclude those of primarily local significance.
Editors are asked to comment on which standard should be applied to this article's list. Please provide policy-based reasoning for your position.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Murkut23 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 13 June 2025 (UTC) 

Should be selective - I do not think there is a policy specifically for this, but the general practice seems the person is notable enough to have (a) their own article, or in some cases (b) multiple major news outlets mention them.  See | Dawson City - Notable people example or the TALK for Bismark, North Dakota - Notable residents.  If the list is long it becomes its own article, see | Toronto - Notable people.  Cheers Markbassett (talk) 02:05, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Should be selective (Summoned by bot) There is existing policy that covers this issue – while not specific to "Notable People" lists, WP:LSC provides guidance and criteria for the contents of lists in general. I think it can be applied here, just as it can if as @Markbassett suggests, an independent "Notable people" list is created instead. Smallangryplanet (talk) 12:53, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Remove notable people lists, which add little to an article but function like a magnet for people who want to add themselves. If the consensus is to keep the lists, then be very very selective. Person X lived here for 3 days in 1951 is not enough. Polygnotus (talk) 14:49, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
Note: WikiProject Lists has been notified of this discussion. Coleisforeditor (talk) 16:34, 21 July 2025 (UTC)