# Talk:1821 Norfolk and Long Island hurricane

There is a possible track map on the Talk page for 1820-1829 Atlantic hurricane seasons, someone might be able to put it in the article. Hurricanehink 23:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

This article really needs some sources...it's claims are too unbelievable otherwise. Jdorje 00:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

If the unbelievable claims in this article are true, it probably has something to do with Tambora. Jdorje 00:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I have a real gripe about past hurricane that no one knows about that have their own article. What is the non-hurricane freak going to care about a hurricane no one remembers? And for the hurricane freaks, this article is probably short enough to go into the decadal article. Another thing, the hurricane was not the only hurricane in history to hit NYC directly. A hurricane in 1893 did that as well. There is so little information on this hurricane, it doesn't deserve to have its own article. If you look at the track, it seems impossible. A cat. 4 or 5 that, in 3 days, goes from the Lesser Antilles to New Jersey. For all we know, there could have been 2 hurricanes; one moving slowly through the Lesser Antilles, one moving quickly northward through the East Coast. I propose merging this article with 1820-1829 Atlantic hurricane seasons on the shear basis of lack of good information. Hurricanehink 01:57, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Sources  A lot of the info comes from the source listed on the page under "External links": http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/readynewyork/hazard_hurricane_history.html -- which is to say that the info comes straight from the NYC Government.  They say, "Reaching the City on September 3, 1821, the storm was one of the only hurricanes believed to have passed directly over parts of modern New York City."  Additional information comes from History of New York City (1784-1854) and a previous version of 1820-1829 Atlantic hurricane seasons [1].
I oppose moving this article to the 1820-1829 Atlantic hurricane seasons article, simply because it was a very notable event, and this page has quite a bit of good (and largely sourced) information.
Lastly, history is important, so I don't buy your "no non-hurricane freak is going to care about a hurricane no one remebers" comment.  --Quasipalm 19:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, let's try it again for this article. Hopefully it is sufficient to keep. A merger is definetly not needed, IMO. Hurricanehink 22:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the new article is much better.  However I'm still curious: why would it be called the Norfolk and Long Island hurricane when it didn't make landfall near either?  How can it be a direct strike on NYC when it had already been on land for 500 miles? Jdorje 01:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, good question. It should be called the Atlantic Coast Hurricane of 1821, IMO. Hurricanehink 01:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't this the "Great American Hurricane" of 19th Century lore? -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 23:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Decent article.  Needs references and some wikification and general copyediting. Jdorje 07:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

The references are in external links... What more should be done about that? Hurricanehink 01:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
To qualify as A-class we need inline references.  Probably the <ref> and <reference> system as used in 2005 Atlantic hurricane season is easiest. Jdorje 02:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  See above  b (MoS):  See above notes.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
It is stable.

It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned):  b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
Overall:
a Pass/Fail: 
Wow, for a slacked off article, it certainly made a turnaround. Congrats. It is now a Good Article.Mitch32contribs 00:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The current iteration of this article reads: 
" Another, even more intense hurricane struck the region in pre-Columbian times (sometime between 1278 and 1438) and was detected by paleotempestological research.[2]"
The citation leads to a Brown University titled "Sedimentary evidence of intense hurricane strikes from New Jersey." The article upon inspection, in fact, never even mentions New York City, so I am struggling to figure out how someone made the conclusion made in the above statement. I feel it should be removed, unless someone else can provide compelling evidence otherwise. 
Link to the Brown article: http://www.geo.brown.edu/georesearch/esh/QE/Publications/Geology2001/JDonnelly/NewJersey/NewJersey.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.78 (talk) 01:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC) 

Hmm, yeah, the evidence was found south of Atlantic City. We could as easily call it a Delaware hurricane. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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"The 1821 Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane was one of four known tropical cyclones that have made landfall in New York City, the third was the 1893 New York hurricane, and the fourth was Hurricane Irene in 2011."
Based on the information that I found on this site, it seems as though several other storms have also made landfall in New York City; Hurricane Five in 1861, Hurricane Six in 1872, Hurricane Six in 1874, Hurricane Diane in 1955, Tropical Storm Doria in 1971 and Hurricane Bertha in 1996. --Undescribed (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2017 (UTC)