# Talk:A Cruel Angel's Thesis

personally, i love this song. back in the day when it came out on dvd, i sat down and wrote to complete accuracy the words to the song. pause and play lol
so i'll help with this entry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Automail (talk • contribs) 19:57, 24 June 2005 (UTC)

Is there any source for this translation?  Wikipedia doesn't publish homebrew translations if possible, and as I see it, the top translation is essentially the same as the "unofficial" translation, so I'm going to cut it for now. DirectorStratton 05:29, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

The lyrics for the second verse is available on various web pages. Are we allowed to copy it here? What about what we already have here?

CyberSkull: Do you have any proof that "A Cruel Angel's Thesis" is the correct title? The Google Test gives 16,600 results for "Cruel Angel's Thesis", while "A Cruel Angel's Thesis" gets a mere 541 (and "Zankoku na Tenshi no Te-ze" and other transliterations get around 1500 each). -℘yrop (talk) 06:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll double check my CDs when I get home, but in the meantime see the following pages:
http://www.geneonanimemusic.com/products/evangelion.htm
http://www.geneonanimemusic.com/products/eva2.htm
http://www.geneonanimemusic.com/products/eva4.htm
http://www.geneonanimemusic.com/products/eva5.htm
Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be little consistency even amongst the official sources.  The soundtrack does, indeed, list it as "A Cruel Angel's Thesis", but the DVD credits read "A Thesis of the Cruel Angel".  Both seem unpopular in general usage versus "Cruel Angel's Thesis". W Solleni 15:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Still, I'd go with the soundtrack. The liner notes state that all titles in the soundtracks were named by the director. I believe this applies to the English versions as well. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a scan of the official OSTs (i.e. not third-party like that one Black Mages album I bought from eBay...)?  From my uneducated perspective, I'd guess that Cruel Angel's Thesis would be written on there in Japanese, along with some of the other tracks.  If that's the case, I'd say we should go with the most recent official US name, "Thesis of the Cruel Angel" (which, IMO, is distinctly different in saying that it's a specific Angel, though it's prolly of little actual consequence). T.J. Fuller, Jr. 14:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

~~ Simba 13:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Is this page really a stub? I think the tag needs to be removed. ~~~

Since I added an infobox, I bumped it up to Start class.--SeizureDog 04:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed the tag, it was still (again?) on the article. Ninja neko 08:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I added an infobox, but Singles confuse me, so I wasn't sure exactly how to fill out all of the information. Please expand it. source
Also,there actually seems to be more than one single released, adding more to my confusion. However, the Maxi single had the coolest cover art by far, so I went with that one.
Anyways, I'm sure someone can sort it out all right.--SeizureDog 04:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that the other single art should be used, since the once currently featured is of the reprint.  72.70.71.61 19:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

the article hints that this is a CD single called "A cruel Angel's thesis" yet, the name of the single on the cover is "Neon genesis Evangelion 残酷な天使のテーゼ, Fly Me to the Moon". and since the article holds no sources to prove the name of the CD single is named "A cruel Angel's Thesis". DO we change what the article is about including the name or do we redirect it some where else?Bread Ninja (talk) 16:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

If the project to condense all the NGE albums wasn't happening, I'd say go ahead and rename the article to the album name, put in notes about the entire album and cut some of the extraneous material about that song.  As it is, I'm hesitant to see anything done to this article...it seems pointless to me to do a lot of work to this one when it's just going to eventually be AfD'd or a redirect to the comprehensive NGE music article once that one is done.  Willbyr (talk | contribs) 17:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
but we should at least restructure the article better, so it would be easier to redirect or the ifnormation. even if we do redirect, we would have to fix the information>Bread Ninja (talk) 19:38, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

The title does not mean "thesis paper about cruel angels". More like "cruel proposition concerning angels".
"Thesis" here is an originally German term de:These in philosophy or logic that means "thesis statement" or "proposition".--Kiyoweap (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
I added information that the lyricist was specifically instructed to write lyrics that were "philosophical".--Kiyoweap (talk) 02:31, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I do not plan to review this for GA right now, but I do want to note that the article keeps switching between "A" and "The" when referring to the song. If the song is known as both, this should be explained in the article, and if not... then we should use whichever it is known as. Until this is addressed, I believe the article just falls short of GA criterion #1A. Pinging the nominator TeenAngels1234 so that you can fix this at your leisure before the review, and wishing you success in your Neon Genesis Evangelion endeavors.--AlexandraIDV 07:56, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandra IDV: Hi. First, thank you. Well. The official KR video and various Japanese websites (like Kai-You, AV Watch and Natalie) call it "The Cruel Angel's Thesis". Although it is universally known among native English speakers as "A". I don't know whether or not to request a move, because I'm not an expert on en.wiki naming conventions.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 14:22, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Then, I think citing one of those sources and writing "also translated as..." in the lead would suffice. The article looks good otherwise btw.--AlexandraIDV 14:29, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
@Alexandra IDV: OK, then. Tried my best. Hope it works :)--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 15:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Who is this Masayuki guy mentioned in the article? --Trade (talk) 22:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

The German philosophical term These used in the lyrics has been compared to the concept of thesis in the Hegelian dialectic [1] The text does not make this "comparison". It simply defines what kind of "thesis" is being invoked in the title, i.e., a proposition (as discussed in the above talk page discussion) rather than a term paper. It doesn't liken the title to Hegel himself in any way that would make his image relevant. It's misleading to say there is a connection. czar 16:12, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, there. I'm gonna answer later, since I'm currently busy in RL. Be patient, please.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Sorry. I forgot about this. Although it is true that the sources do not indicate a direct connection, I still find it worthy of mention that they mention it and give this example. I tried a caption that did not suggest an inspiration or direct comparison.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 15:13, 8 January 2023 (UTC)