# Talk:Ahmad Shah Durrani

Wikipedia must get the correct year of birth researched and entered to rectify this serious anomaly!~~Lutfullah~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lutfullah (talk • contribs) 14:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC) 

While its true that mir naseer khan baloch rode with 1000 baloch horsemen to panipat, it was no way Afghan-baloch army. Most of the soldiers were afghans, followed by rohillas. Also there were few thousands awadh and qizalbash forces. 25000 baloch claim should be provided with any neutral sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jawwad khan marwat (talk • contribs) 05:30, 4 May 2014 (UTC) 

File deleted 23 April 2012, for lack of sufficient source information. The image was apparently by a modern painter, but no publication history was provided. --Bejnar (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Why is it stated that Ahmad Shah Durrani became the Emir of Khorasan after the death of Nadir Shah in June 1747 ? Where was this Kingdom of Khorasan ? Did Khorasan include the areas of Kandahar where this new "Emir" was crowned ? Did Khorasan include Kabul, Ghazni, and all the territories to the East ?
Khorasan was a PROVINCE of Western Iran, not a name for the territories which form the current state of Afghanistan of which Ahmad Shah Abdali became the king. In fact what makes the statement even more meaningless it that later in the article it states that "he extend Afghan control from Khorasan in the West to Kashmir....". Please think about this for a minute and analyze it rationally, where was Khorasan west of ? Afghanistan ? Yes.  So if he rules territories which included all of present day Afghanistan, and is accepted as the founding father of Afghanistan, and those territories included parts of Iran, Afghanistan and present day Pakistan and India, why is the title "Emir of Khorasan" ? Did Khorasan extend all the way from Iran to India ? In fact it only made a small portion of his empire, the iranian portion. By that logic he could also be called "The Emir of Delhi", since he had conquered it, or "The Emir of Kashmir", and the emir of many other places that he had conquered, but that wouldn't make sense, just like calling him "Emir of Khorasan" doesn't make sense, as he was not from Khorasan nor was the majority of his subjects, nor was it the majority of the territory that he ruled.
I understand the motivations behind putting that in there, but this needs to be changed to "...in June 1747, Abdali became the King of Afghanistan..." or "Founder of the Durrani Ruling Dynasty of Afghanitan" or something along those lines, but not "Emir of Khorasan".  There was no Khorasan in Afghanistan, KHORASAN IS IN IRAN, and was a small portion of his total empire.

94.203.52.164 (talk) 19:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)Afghan25
I completely agree. Akmal94 (talk) 03:14, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

i found spelling mistake at will be shown in Brackets it is Ahmah Shah and it should Ahmad shah I couldnt edit it this is why i am posting it in talk page


#### Rise to power
In October 1747, the chiefs of the Abdali tribes met near Kandahar for a Loya Jirga to choose a leader. For nine days serious discussions were held among the candidates in the Argah. Ahmad Shah kept silent by not campaigning for himself. At last Sabir Shah, a religious figure from the area, came out of his sanctuary and stood before those in the Jirga and said, "He found no one worthy for leadership except [(((((Ahmah Shah))))]. He is the most trustworthy and talented for the job. He had Sabir's blessing for the nomination because only his shoulders could carry this responsibility". The leaders and everyone agreed unanimously. Ahmad Shah was chosen to lead the Afghan tribes. Coins where struck after his coronation as King occurred near the tomb of Shaikh Surkh, adjacent to Nader Abad Fort.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pashtoonyaar (talk • contribs) 22:31, 28 September 2013 (UTC) 

I am asking for three specific changes, where text needs to be removed. The reason for each one will be given afterwards.
1. Please remove the following line :  "After the death of Nader Shah Afshar of Persia in June 1747, Abdali became the Emir of Khorasan." and replace with "After the death of Nader Shah Afshar of Persia in June 1747, Abdali became the King of Afghanistan." 
Reason: The wiki page itself states that he was the founder of the Kingdom Of Afghanistan, so then how could he have become the Emir of Khorasan, when Khorasan did not exist as a state but merely as province of the persian state at the time.  This is unsubstantiated and pushed by minorities in Afghanistan who do not like Ahmad Shah Durrani or the name of Afghanistan.

2. Please remove the following line:  "but also due to his handsome features as well as both being Khorasanians."
Reason:  There is no first hand account of any historian or anyone else writing this. Again, this is an agenda pushed by people from an ethnic group opposed to Ahmad Shah Durrani who want to push the false idea that he was somehow in a homosexual relationship.  This is the implication, but it is unsubstantiated.

3.  Please remove the following line: "Durrani is infamous for his genocide of the Sikhs, the destruction and desecration of their holy Golden Temple in Amritsar."
Reason:  Durrani's soldiers in the time of war might have killed people, but to say he is "infamous" for doing so is a stretch, which would need to be documented in several places to say he is infamous for this act.  Furthermore, this does not belong in his personal history right in the introduction to his most important notes.  This in fact only belongs on a separate page about his particular battles, about what he did or did not do in those.  Genghis Khan does not have the details of his battles in his opening statement on his wiki page.  Again, this is put there for the purpose of character assassination.
I hope you will see to it that these changes are made, as this man is revered by over 50 million people, this kind of ad hominem and character assassination does not belong on wikipedia.
94.203.52.164 (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 Not done: Editors servicing these requests cannot make contentious changes. By saying in your reason that the current text is "an agenda pushed by people from an ethnic group ...", you move into that contentious region. Please establish a consensus for change with the other editors active on this article before re-submitting the request. Regards, Celestra (talk) 05:21, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

It is not the picture of Ahmed Shah Durrani! It was neither commissioned by the French. It is an Indian Mughal Miniature of an unknown nobleman. Please verfiy and put up for deletion.  --86.144.114.244 (talk) 00:10, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

"please change the birth place of ahmed shah durrani from hirat to multan" refrence to change is http://prr.hec.gov.pk/Chapters/188-3.pdf page # 63... it is authentic reference book, with reference from 19th and 20th century books... even with reference from book written in 1825 by ali muhammad khan sadozai, cousin's grandson of ahmed shah durrani
Mubashirdurrani (talk) 23:42, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

 Not done: Both Hirat and Multan are mentioned in the article - take a look at the first paragraph of the "Early Years" section. Per WP:UNDUE, I don't see anything to be changed in the article at this time. --ElHef (Meep?) 00:11, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

please add my book FOR DETAIL ABOUT Ahmad Shah Abdali AZEEM MUJAHID PUBLISHD BY ILMO IRFAN PUBLISHER URDU BAZAR LAHORE  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.42.235.49 (talk) 18:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Sir I added some information to the article but not been able to arrange the text in right order .first i apologize and then i request you to arrange the text in ryt order including my information in the article Delhibaghelsingh (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

This long section has little connection with Ahmad Durrani and the relevance of him for the region the section deals with, is unclear.--Severino (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I completely concur. - LouisAragon (talk) 04:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree and except the two last sentences, the whole section should be deleted. It is longwinded and includes random information that has nothing to do with Durrani. It also includes some 19th century style racialist thinking of mad dog, to which many Afghans are unfortunately very much attracted. There is no reason this needs to be here. 88.153.22.211 (talk) 12:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thirding this, completely irrelevant ramblings, pretty much all of it is by Milktaco, which appears to be a hacked account, how is this still up after 5 years ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.143.179.180 (talk) 18:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC) 

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Ahmad Shah Durrani was born in Multan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multan), not Herat. Sources 1, 11 already listed in the article confirm this.

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 Not done: The sources state that there is a dispute with his place of birth. Britannica itself has acknowledged the uncertainty. MediaKill13 (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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Battle with Sikhs
After Panipat the main factor to reckon with was the growing power of the Sikhs who had constantly been assailing Ahmad Shah's lines of communication. It was against them that the Afghan invader's sixth expedition (1762) was specifically directed. News had reached him in Afghanistan of the defeat, after his withdrawal from the country, of his general, Nur ud-Din Bamezai, at the hands of the Sikhs who were fast spreading themselves out over the Punjab and had declared their leader, Jassa Singh Ahluvalia, king of Lahore (1761). To rid his Indian dominions of them once for all, he set out from Qandahar. Marching with alacrity, he overtook the Sikhs as they were withdrawing into the Malva after crossing the Sutlej. The moving caravan comprised a substantial portion of the total Sikh population and contained, besides active fighters, a large body of old men, women and children who were being escorted to the safety of the interior of the country. Surprised by Ahmad Shah, the Sikhs threw a cordon round those who needed protection, and prepared for the battle. Continuing their march in this form, they fought the invaders and their Indian allies desperately. Ahmad Shah succeeded, in the end, in breaking through the ring and glutted his spite by carrying out a fullscale butchery. Near the village of Kup, near Malerkotia, nearly 25,000 Sikhs were killed in a single day's battle (5 February 1762), known in Sikh history as Vadda Ghallughara, the Great Killing. But the Sikhs were by no means crushed.
Last Invasions and Death of Ahmad Shah
The fear of his Indian empire falling to the Sikhs continued to obsess the Shah's mind and he led out yet another punitive campaign against them towards the close of 1766. This was his eighth invasion into India. The Sikhs had recourse to their old game of hideandseek. Vacating Lahore which they had wrested from Afghan nominees, Kabuli Mall and his nephew Amir Singh, they faced squarely the Afghan general, Jahan Khan at Amritsar, forcing him to retreat, with 6,000 of the Durrani soldiers killed. Ahmad Shah offered the governorship of Lahore to Sikh sardar, Lahina Singh Bhangi, but the latter declined the proposal. Jassa Singh Ahluvalia, with an army of 30,000 Sikhs, roamed about the neighbourhood of the Afghan camp plundering it to his heart's content. Never before had Ahmad Shah felt so helpless. The outcome of the unequal, but bitter, contest now lay clearly in favour of the Sikhs. The Shah had realized that his Indian dominions were at the mercy of the Sikhs and he bowed to the inevitable. His own soldiers were getting restive and the summer heat of the Punjab was becoming unbearable. He, at last, decided to return home, but took a different route this time to avoid molestation by the Sikhs. As soon as Ahmad Shah retired, Sikhs reoccupied their territories.
The Shah led out his last expedition in the beginning of 1769. He crossed the Indus and the Jehlum and reached as far as the right bank of the Chenab and fixed his camp at Jukalian to the northwest of Gujrat. By this time the Sikhs had established themselves more firmly in the country. Moreover, dissensions broke out among the Shah's followers and he was compelled to return to Afghanistan.
On Ahmad Shah's death in 1772 of the cancerous wound said to have been caused on his nose by a flying piece of brick when the Harimandar Sahib was destroyed with gunpowder, his empire roughly extended from the Oxus to the Indus and from Tibet to Khurasan. It embraced Kashmir, Peshawar, Multan, Sindh, Baluchistan, Khurasan, Herat, Qandahar, Kabul and Balkh.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvinder Pakhowalia (talk • contribs) 10:49, 5 February 2017 (UTC) 

We don't buy the opinions of Sikh nationalists here on Wikipedia, but with proper sources. So no need for W:NOPV Akmal94 (talk) 06:16, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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User:Iamkniazi (proof of existence here, as there is no user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=Iamkniazi&limit=1 ) recently edited this page so that "Congregational Mosque" became "Congregational Musjid." This broke a formerly working link, so I think that it should be changed back to its previous version so the link is fixed again.
24.5.8.227 (talk) 21:41, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 00:03, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

A documentary on youtube says he had 500bn in treasure. Is this true?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.70.215.193 (talk) 20:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC) 

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I want to add new images for Ahmad Shah Durrani. They are from wikimedia commons. But I am not allowed to edit the page since it says it is semi-protected. 
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Please add a picture(s) to the page, especially one that shows Ahmad Shah Durrani's picture along with his name at the right side of the page where a summary of him is made. I have found a couple of pictures that seem to be fit for the job, from Wikimedia Commons that have all the appropriate references. Here is the link https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%B4%D8%A7%D9%87_%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%DB%8C
Thank you. Irabony622 (talk) 20:59, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done - FlightTime (open channel) 21:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

HistoryofIran Why are you reverting my edits? there is a split decision among historians on where he was born and Herat is one of them. That's why i think Herat should be on his birthplace box as well. Akmal94 (talk) 01:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

You're adding unsourced information. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
And Multan, Pakistan isn't? Your'e not being fair. Brittanica mentions either Multan and Herat and so does one of the sources cited in his "Early life" biography. Akmal94 (talk) 20:48, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

In the table just below the lead, his religion is mentioned as "Sunni Islam", but it was actually, "Shia Islam". Please correct it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:282C:4C0E:0:0:0:1 (talk) 01:14, 10 August 2019 (UTC) 

Please offer a reliable source that supports your claim. 331dot (talk) 01:31, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: per above. Melmann 09:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Born	c. 1722

Herat,Afghanistan

Those who claim he was born in multan have no evidence to support their claim, whilst his poetry and historians provide enough evidence that he was from Herat, Afghanistan.

Correct this. There was no such country by the name of India in 1722. Multan was part of the Mughal Empire  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.78.135.155 (talk) 10:03, 8 November 2019 (UTC) 

Please change "Emir" to "Shah" in Ahmad shah Durrani's titles as the Durrani dynasty never refered to themselves as Emir. 
164.106.75.254 (talk) 15:39, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

if you look at List of heads of state of Afghanistan, all of them until 1926 are called emirs. L293D (☎ • ✎) 14:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 Not done for now: Marked as resolved. Please IP user, if you have sources that say otherwise you can bring them forward. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
My proof is that if you look at the book Battle of Panipat, by H.G Rawlinson, which is a direct translation of a contemporary 1761 manuscript written Kashi Raj Pandit during the time of Ahmad Shah Durrani link:https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.176979/page/n55 You Will see that Kashi raj refers to ahmad shah durrani as "the shah" and not the emir multiple times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.31.33.29 (talk) 00:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm not qualified to judge this, but Britannica calls him "ruler" and then "shah" in passing. Doesn't include Emir. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. While I think the Ip user is likely correct, edit requests should be for corrections that are either unambiguous or close to it. I will open a new section below for comments so that the question can be settled by a wider variety of users..   Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Is the correct title for the first leader of the Durrani empire "Emir"?  The Ip user above brings forth a very early source that uses "Shah" but not "Emir".  From the sources already in this article, it seems that Durrani himself used a variety of poetic titles but did not call himself "Emir".  Is it possible that "Emir" is a backwards projection by later rulers seeking to create continuity with the Durrani empire?  I am not myself knowledgeable enough on Aghani history to judge the question. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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The chosen poetry is faked. It's not the original poem. Its a fabricated post-WWII piece. I would advise to take it down or to replace that section with another poem. In general that section is irrelevant for the article. 46.114.3.91 (talk) 14:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Added 
Battle of attock 
Battle of lahore 
Battle of peshwar with citations 
From their respective main articles 
Please take a review 
And suggest some changes  if needed
Thank you. Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa (talk) 15:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa, don't copy paste from other articles. If you are going toadd that info rewrite it from reliable sources, not just copy pasting. Kailanmapper (talk) 17:20, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

According to Nejatie's The Pearl of Pearls: The Abdālī-Durrānī Confederacy and Its Transformation under Aḥmad Shāh, Durr-i Durrān,[1] "The fact that numerous sources composed in the ruler’s lifetime consistently connect him in his youth to Herat justifies the stance of Ghubār and others that Aḥmad Shāh was, in fact, born in the Herat region, around the time his father passed away and when the Abdālī leadership still exercised authority over the province." Some of the sources cited about Multan seems colonialist, not scholarly. Also, the Encyclopaedia of Islam cited is a tertiary source so it may not be really helpful in such a dispute, as Wikipedia favors scholarly WP:SECONDARY sources. My solution to this dispute would be to mention Herat, the most likely place of birth, in the infobox, but also mention Multan in the body of the article. The opinion of other editors is welcome here. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 07:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Removing 6 academic sources because they are "colonialist" (whatever that is supposed to mean) or apparently "tertiary" in favour of a PHD thesis is not constructive. In fact, per WP:UNDUE the Multan suggestion should be given more weight. Please read WP:POV. EDIT: For those who are interested in fixing the WP:UNDUE issue of this article, I found even more sources that state he was born in Multan, that's 9 sources now; [2] [3] [4] --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
The removal of high quality sources like Encyclopedia of Islam in order to replace them by a PhD sounds like tendentious editing ...---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 23:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
I do understand the viewpoint of both sides, however I believe that Abdali may have been born in Herat, my reasoning for this being would be the main point; the Sadozai Sultanate of Herat, where the Sadozai dynasty, under where Ahmad Shah's dynasty ALSO came from, and the region where his father was also likely leading, I believe that Abdali was likely born in Herat because of this, as the Sadozai Sultanate of Herat was a independent nation during the turbulent period that was of Safavid Persia during this period of time, fighting over the concurrent Hotak rebellion, which would attempt to also usurp main Persia. Noorullah21 (talk) 00:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
What we believe is irrelevant, this is what 9 scholarly sources state, including EI3. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, even the main source I use, also believes that Ahmad Shah was in fact, born in Multan. Noorullah21 (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
For those still interested in rewriting this article per WP:UNDUE and WP:POV, this is the previous revision [5] before Khestwol removed the vast majority of the citations support a Multan origin, instead of organizing them into one single citation (like the Macedon bit in the lede of Alexander the Great). --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
As we can see in the earlier version, the refs were poorly formatted, with repetitions, and tagged as "excessive citations" since August 2021. It needed trimming down. Khestwol (talk) 12:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
No problem, I'll later format them like the afromentioned article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes that would be great, thanks HistoryofIran. I think the Early life section can be expanded with more details about his father, mother, and family, from reliable refs. Khestwol (talk) 12:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran Hey, I am asking users who are occasionally active on these pages, but I am just notifying you guys, that I will likely be working on a revamp on Ahmad Shah's page soon, just like how I did to Timur Shah Durrani, however I might do Zaman Shah Durrani, Mahmud Shah Durrani, and Shah Shuja Durrani, and Dost Mohammad Khan first. As I already revamped the pages, but newer sources I obtained have shed light to expand a lot. Noorullah21 (talk) 00:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I was planning on expanding this soon myself, but it seems you may have beat me to it. Please be aware of WP:RS and WP:SPS, I can see some of the sources you have used are not reliable, such as James M. Perry, who is not really a historian. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your notice, however, if you actually plan to expand it yourself, go ahead, I am completely fine with it, I am, well, as you can see currently focused on many other pages as stated above before I can move onto this page, so by all means, if you wish to do it yourself, go ahead. @HistoryofIran Noorullah21 (talk) 01:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran I began working on revamping the page on my main page in a sub page, you can check it out yourself if you want to see progress so far. Noorullah21 (talk) 04:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
in "sandbox 2" Noorullah21 (talk) 04:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
In addition to suggestion by HistoryofIran on keeping WP:RS into consideration, the citation by Afghan Court Chronicle, Faiz Mohammed Kateb Hazara is highly unreliable, not just due to its age but also in particular due to agenda behind the commissioning of the book by Emir Habibullah Khan which the Emir had full control over the finished product such as editing, censorship such as removing unpleasant views, and to review the work in progress. I would suggest using secondary source. MehmoodS (talk) 14:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
@MehmoodS The source I am using, was the copy that was untouched by the emir, and was translated into English. It is relatively unbiased but just brings a lot of religious points when talking into the book about its history. Their was multiple copies of Siraj-Al-Tarawik, and the version this appears by is relatively good, just a lot of religious standpoints brought into it, like for example calling a person by their islamic titles ie "hajji" Noorullah21 (talk) 17:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Age-wise is debatable, which is why whenever I usually look through, I use a secondary source to back the point up if it seems like it may have been a old source, however, the book actually stands against the test of time pretty well, for example, it refers to the Ghurid Empire as a Persian dynasty, rather then an AFGHAN one, which was commonly believed back then. It seems to follow what modern sources detest about the time, and the 2012 translation also usually tries to put footnotes in different parts of the book where information could have been changed over time, so I think the source is still fine to use, but would be better if backed by a secondary source in some areas. Which is why I am probably going to use Drahm's source to back it up in certain areas. Noorullah21 (talk) 17:17, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
The revised version on which Amir Habibullah wanted appears to be the "Serāj al-tawārī (Lamp of Histories)". Noorullah21 (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes certainly you can use book by Jonathan Lee/Drahm as secondary source. But when it comes to book by Fayz, the study of this book particularly, states that it was overlooked by Emir and went through censorship by Emir himself and also it wasn't written by Fayz independently but rather commissioned by Emir to fulfill agenda. Book is also biased when it comes to opponents where words such as infidels, Kafirs are used. Also, the age is issue especially when secondary sources are required and do exist if searched. Even though it was translated in 2012, it still is at most a primary source. I did get opinion on it on WP:RSN about two months ago where other editors considered it unreliable as well but then I got busy with other articles and this got backlogged. There are secondary sources by academicians which you can use. MehmoodS (talk) 17:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Ahmad Shah had a wife named Mimtta, she was the mother of Timur Shah. Kindly add this. Aurangzayb (talk) 10:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Source? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

A few personalities from Pakistan have been added that stress that they are descendants of Ahamd Shah Abdali just because they share the same last name as him. That's not how it works, Durrani is a large tribe which are often divided by sub-tribes. These people are not a descendant of him, they just belonged to the same tribe as Abdali. This should be removed or revised. Akmal94 (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Your statement appears to be biased and driven by personal preferences rather than factual accuracy. It is well-documented that descendants of royal families live in various countries. For example, the family of King Zahir Shah and King Amanullah reside in Italy and London, the descendants of the former Shah of Iran live in Egypt, and Prince Harry of the United Kingdom has settled in Canada. Similarly, the descendants of King Shah Zaman, the grandson of Ahmad Shah Abdali, reside in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan.
Therefore, there is no doubt that the descendants of King Ahmad Shah Durrani can also be living in Quetta, Pakistan, with dignity and pride. Your attempt to dismiss this fact based on a shared surname alone is misleading.
Furthermore, I have noted that you have previously been warned multiple times by respected editors and were ultimately blocked indefinitely by [JBW] (talk / contribs) on July 11, 2024, due to repeated edit wars, ownership behavior, and attempts to be insulting across various articles.
Given this history of biased and disruptive editing, I am restoring the edit you attempted to remove from the Ahmad Shah Durrani article.Aslam Kassi talk 04:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)


### Background
The infobox shows two separate birthplaces of Ahmad Shah Durrani is Herat and Multan, out of disputes among historians. However, Multan should not exist in the infobox, but should rather be placed in the "Early Life" section, as a theorized, disputed and a dismissed claim. "Herat" must solely appear as his place of birth in the infobox.
As modern scholarship favors his birthplace in Multan, none of these sources quote any primary source. This claim originally came from an Indian author, by the name of Kaushik Roy, because of an existing letter mentioning Ahmad Shah as "Multani", after conquering Multan. Ahmad Shah's father, Zaman Khan, became the ruler of Herat in 1718/19. Ahmad Shah was born in the year 1722, the same year of his father's death. Zaman Khan was succeeded by Muhammad Khan, another leader of the Sadozai Abdalis, who was succeeded by Ahmad Shah’s brother, Zulfaqar Khan.


### Tarikh-i Ahmad Shahi
Tārīkh-i Ahmad Shāhī
Tarikh-i Ahmad Shahi, which as an example, was personally commissioned by Ahmad Shah Durrani himself, states that Ahmad Shah Durrani was born in Herat. This shows that Ahmad Shah Durrani himself has stated his birthplace, which forever dismisses the claim of him being born in Multan.


### Ahmad Shahi Shahnama
Ahmad Shāhī Shāhnāma
Ahmad Shahi Shahnama is the versified account of Ahmad Shah’s reign in Pashto, composed by Hafiz Marghuzai. The poet had met the Shah, and accompanied him on his expeditions. It mentions Khurasan as his birthplace, which can conclude it of being Herat.

ښه مولد يې خراسانپه مزاج وه عالي شان
This translates to:

Indeed, his birthplace was Khorasan,Born in a matter of great temper


### Shahnama-yi Ahmadi
Shāhnāma-yi Ahmadī
Shahnamah-i Ahmadi, the poetic account of Ahmad Shah's life and achievements in the Persian language, is more specific. It is written in the lifetime of the Shah by Nizam al-Din Ishrat. The poet had also met the Shah several times, and was a contemporary historian. Ishrat was commissioned by the court to write Shahnamah-i Ahmadi, and had audiences with the Shah, as well as access to the court's documents.

چو از ابر احسان پرواردگارمحمد زمان خان شده مایه دارزمین مرده کوه و دشت هراتذکر تازه جان  شد ز آبحیات
This translates to:

Like the Creator's cloud of beneficence,Muhammad Zaman Khan had become bountifulThe lifeless plains and mountains of Herat,The fresh rememberance of life from the Water of Life


### Ahmad Shah Afghan
Ahmad Shāh Afghān
According to Afghan historian, Mir Ghulam Muhammad Ghobar, the claim of Ahmad Shah being "born in Multan", is a confusion driven from a confusion with the family of Abdullah Khan Sadozai, who had been living in Multan.

 AfghanTsakhtan (talk) 07:39, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, but in Wikipedia we have to base historical topics on academic scholarship, not our own personal research or deductions. See WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:02, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
^, in article it has been explained that the modern consensus is generally that Ahmad Shah was born in Multan, while contemporary sources including his biography (the Tarikh-I-Ahmad Shahi state Herat). Noorullah (talk) 23:11, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

... that Ahmad Shah Durrani (pictured) conducted fifteen major military campaigns during his reign, including nine invasions of India, three in Khorasan, and three in Afghan Turkestan?
Source: AFGHANISTAN A History from 1260 to the Present (2019) Jonathan L. Lee pg. 118 - [15]

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Richard A. Hunter

Noorullah (talk) 21:17, 9 November 2025 (UTC).

 New enough (GA on November 9), long enough (84609 characters). Sourced, neutral, and free of copyright violations. Image is clear, free and used in the article. Hook is cited and interesting. QPQ has been provided. AmateurHi$torian (talk) 17:24, 11 November 2025 (UTC)