# Talk:Apt Pupil (film)

I've gathered some resources about the film at User:Erik/Apt Pupil (film). —Erik (talk • contrib) 06:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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GA pass
GA review (see here for criteria)
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):  b (MoS): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):  b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
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It is stable.
No edit wars etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
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The article looks great! Nicely sourced, written and great info! Wildroot (talk) 01:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The cast section is laid out to provide a simple list of the actors and their roles for easy navigation. It is also laid out to reduce extraneous white space in the article that exists when it is just one column. In addition, the margins are lined up for easy reading. Cast lists in undeveloped film articles are single-column bulleted lists so they can be edited with ease, but this developed article is just about complete in terms of casting coverage. After the list of actors and their roles, the main ones are discussed in prose. This is in contrast to the "fat bullet" presentation before. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the "Starring" field in the infobox, it is most appropriate to identify just McKellen and Renfro. We need to avoid listing names in the infobox indiscriminately per WP:IINFO, and for this particular film, the other actors are indiscriminate compared to these two. This is reflected by a lack of coverage of these actors in the body of this Good Article. Per WP:IBX, the purpose of an infobox is "to summarize key facts in the article in which it appears". The film infobox guidelines state to use the billing block as a guideline, and this is because there has been certain edit warring about the cutoff point when it comes to a larger main cast. For films like this one, it is more straightforward to surmise the starring roles since there is a significant gap between McKellen/Renfro and the others in a story-wise and real-world context. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:38, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 16:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

'Nobody Is Going to Believe You' at The Atlantic
Article mentions Apt Pupil, especially the lawsuit involved. The "Lawsuit" section can be expanded with more details. Not sure about including Valdovinos's account. Others are welcome to comment. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 16:47, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

The article states that the civil case arising out of the shower allegations was dismissed due to a lack of evidence. It cites a 2006 book entitled "Apt Pupil: The Hollywood Nazi-as-Monster Flick" by Picart and Frank for this proposition. I see another source (https://www.indiewire.com/2017/12/bryan-singer-sexual-assault-rape-allegations-timeline-1201903868/) that agrees. However, I also see four other sources (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/bryan-singers-accusers-speak-out/580462/, https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/millennium-films-backs-bryan-singer-allegations-60608012, https://www.apnews.com/e8275873de3b4218a50d6550b8e5006b, https://keprtv.com/news/entertainment/bryan-singer-keeps-directing-gig-following-allegations) that say that the case was settled. I do not have access to the 2006 book. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to proceed? SunCrow (talk) 10:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

SunCrow, I referenced that book. It seems like the newer sources are better; it is possible that the book's authors got something wrong or got the wrong information at the time of writing. Go ahead and change it based on the newer sources. I would go with AP as the most reliable source. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 14:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Here is a screenshot of the passage in the 2006 book. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 14:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Erik. I am perplexed by this one. The more I look around, the more I see sources pointing in different directions on this question of settled v. dismissed. I see a bunch of sources on each side. I am not comfortable going either way. I am going to go ahead and edit the page to reflect that there are conflicting reports. SunCrow (talk) 02:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, you can mention both settled and dismissed. You can use WP:CITEBUNDLE to group the sources on each side. I would say that a legal source would trump all of them, if one exists. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 18:05, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Was it the death camp survivor or Dussander who got arrested and his extradition to Israel arranged? 69.74.193.226 (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the "Starring" parameter in the film infobox, the Template:Infobox film says, "In general, use the billing block of the poster for the film's original theatrical release as a rule of thumb for listing starring actors... An alternative approach may be determined by local consensus." The billing block is not the best rule of thumb here because others are nowhere near headlined compared to McKellen and Renfro. Reliable sources about the film bear that out in repeating the two names together much more often than more than that, so it is due weight to focus on the two. The "Cast" section exists to capture the full list of starring and secondary roles. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 01:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)