# Talk:1986–87 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season

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Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

"The 1986–87 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season was quiet and below average, due to an ongoing El Niño and a weak monsoon that which suppressed convection and storms" to qualms. First, "quiet" and "below average" are the same, so why not just use one? Ditto with "convection and storms", so convection leads to storms. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Removed "quiet", but left the others. They're not as synonymous. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  04:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
"Later, Daodo in March was the strongest storm of the season and only to attain tropical cyclone status, reaching of 135 km/h (85 mph)." two things here again: Why use "Later," when you already mention a time period? and "only to" makes no sense in this sentence. Add a "the" before "only to". YE Pacific Hurricane
Later is there for flow. I added "the", but I don't think it was necessary. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  04:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
"the Météo-France office (MFR) on Réunion " You already mentioned what the MFR is and where it is in the lead, so what do it again? You like Reunion so much? :P YE Pacific Hurricane 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
First time outside the lede :P See below. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  04:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
" The Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC), which is a joint United States Navy – United States Air Force task force," see above. Same thing about abbreviating MFR applies to JTWC as well. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
" Moving quickly to the southwest, the disturbance passed west of Rodrigues on February 6, producing wind gusts of 117&nbps;km/h (72 mph) likely due to a localized vortex. " Fix non-breaking space, and link/explain what a vortex is. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  04:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
"On March 4, a weak ridge steered the storm to the east, and the storm weakened slightly during this time." don't say "the storm" twice in a sentence or you will go batty. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Gah, fine. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  04:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
On the SE chart, why is the so called "Refs" section blank? And what does it mean? Are we talking about football referees who deflate footballs here? YE Pacific Hurricane 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
No idea, ask @Jason Rees:. He designed that template. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  04:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
The only thing i will say is that the refs section needs to be filled out with references, especially since Elizabeta caused no damage on Madagascar despite its section saying it caused minor damage.Jason Rees (talk) 15:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Is this fine @Yellow Evan:. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 15:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Why not make the ref section optional? All of the other data is based on the info previously in the article. Besides, Elizabeta's section says "effects were minimal there", which is based on the ref saying that the effects were "negligible", so it's not exactly wrong. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  01:12, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I think many other SWIO season do not have this either, but you know, I noticed something. Why no storm names section? YE Pacific Hurricane 03:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Naming lists aren't available for that far back, so there's no point adding in the list of names that are already in the article. For some seasons where I found it, I included the rest of the naming list, but there is no need for a section just to list the names, IMO. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  04:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

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This edit by @FleurDeOdile: caught my eye while i was going through my watchlist earlier, as they point out that Bemazava was only a tropical depression. FDO has also adjusted the 10-mins winds to be 33 knots and introduced 1-min winds of 35 knots based I presume on Neumann. When I double-checked Bemazava in IBTRACS, I realised that IBTRACS is showing that Reunion is showing that Bemazava had winds of 36 knots which would make it a moderate tropical depression on the scale used at the time and a moderate tropical storm now. However, the Global tropical/extratropical cyclone climatic atlas includes a TCR from what I presume was the Reunion Met Service, which gives peak 10-min winds of 28 knots as well as a peak pressure of 997 hPa. This is backed up by an article in MetMar about the 1986-87 Season. As a result, I propose to take the 10-min winds down to 28 knots and I am in two minds about the 1-min winds based on Neumann. While normally I would just get on and do it, I would feel more comfortable if @Hurricanehink and FleurDeOdile: gave their thoughts on wiki about the situation we find ourselves in.Jason Rees (talk) 15:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

MFR seems to have it as a TD with gales for whatever reason (IBTrACS only has it as 2 which is used for TDs/disturbances unlike 3 that is used for named TCs)
36kt seems like a placeholder intensity for disturbances before 1990 FleurDeOdile 15:59, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Wouldn't IBTRACS supersede a ref from 1988? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  19:01, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Not in this case when IBTRACS is just a direct import of the old Reunion BT Database and as @FleurDeOdile: pointed out the 36 knots is just a place holder. As a result, I feel that 28 knots would be the correct intensity and that we have to classify it as a "faible dépression tropicale" or "Weak Tropical Depression".Jason Rees (talk) 23:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
i actually found two more cases like this
Anety 1984 and Alifredy 1985 FleurDeOdile 23:30, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
@FleurDeOdile: Anety 1984 peaked with 20 knot winds, while Alifredy 1985 peaked with 28 knot winds. As a result, while bearing in mind that Mauritus and Madagascar were responsible for naming, I suspect that they named due to the threat posed rather than intensity. Also parts of Meteo France and their precursors break the Tropical Depression phase into three - Weak, Moderate and Severe and thus a TC can be a TD and have gale yet alone storm force winds. As a modern day example, Fili was a Severe Tropical Depression.Jason Rees (talk) 00:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for putting the research into this. Yup, please change these three cases. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  19:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
updates have been done for those systems FleurDeOdile 20:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)