# Talk:2008–09 Liverpool F.C. season

someone should add that Itandje left to Galatasaray for 2 million pounds......

when did he? First I've heard of it. I'll have a look. Ged UK (talk) 20:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Liverpool's site still has him listed, so do all the other football stat pages. Ged UK (talk) 20:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1030027/Galatasarays-Itandje-leaves-Liverpools-Carson-limbo.html
Also, I'm putting Degen's jersey number as 27 abd Dossena's 29 as those are the numbers shown on their training jerseys on Liverpool's offical website.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.138.71.117 (talk) 10:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC) 
I think Yossi Benayoun's jersey number should be changed to 15. He played with his whole career except for last season because Crouch had that number, but of course Crouch left so it is most likely that Yossi will be playing with number 15 if he stays. He also played with it in Liverpool's two friendlies this season.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.138.71.117 (talk) 12:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC) 

Friendlies don't count (there was a teenager wearing number 9 in the last match, I don't think Torres has changed his), and we are not changing his squad number just because you think it might change in the future. --Ged (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

There's clearly a colour scheme in action for the match results, but no indication of what that actually is. Seems to be geen for a win, blue for a draw. Could someone add a key to this, as that level of formatting is beyond me! Ged UK (talk) 11:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's be clear. He did NOT score at Middlesbrough, it was an own goal. --Ged UK (talk) 11:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
andy gray said he did. the dodgy goals commitee havent been in yet Zacitty (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Andy Gray doesn't award goals, much as he might like to think he does. Premier league site lists it as an OG. I don't think the dubious goals panel will get involved, but if they change it, fine. Until then, it's an OG. --Ged UK (talk) 19:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The function of bold text is to emphasise a word or phrase within a sentence. Where one word is particularly important within a sentence, you can make it bold. There is no point (see how it works?) in bolding an entire table, because you aren't emphasising anything. Please stop changing entire tables to bold, it is utterly pointless and makes it harder to read. 
If someone disagrees, please let's discuss it here rather than constantly changing the article or we're liable to get into an edit war. Thanks. --Ged UK (talk) 07:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

In the game against West Ham, Liverpool wore their third kit with green socks (see here). I would look at changing the kit picture myself, but I don't know how :) --Thexeber (talk) 08:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

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This review is transcluded from Talk:2008–09 Liverpool F.C. season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: No Great Shaker (talk · contribs) 14:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


### GA Review
Hello. As I have just nominated one article, I'm happy to review two in return, and I've chosen 2008–09 Liverpool F.C. season and Australian cricket team in the West Indies in 1998–99 which are next to each other in the sports section. Hope to provide some feedback soon. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


### Basic GA criteria
Well written: the prose is clear and concise. 
Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct. 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections. 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout. 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch (e.g., "awesome" and "stunning"). 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for writing about fiction – not applicable.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation. 
Complies with the MOS guidelines for use of quotations. 
All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided. 
All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc. 
Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline. 
No original research. 
No copyright violations or plagiarism. 
Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style. 
Neutral. 
Stable. 
Illustrated, if possible. 
Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright. 
For reviews, I use the above list of criteria as a benchmark and complete the variables as I go along. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


### Comments
I needed to make a lot of amendments but this was never far away and it now ticks all of the boxes above. It's a very informative summary of the season at Liverpool with a good mixture of narrative, stats and illustration.
More care should have been taken with the lead which nearly let the nomination down but I decided to resolve the issues myself rather than outline the issues here. My first impression of the lead was that it had been written by one football fan talking to another, which isn't good if the reader is someone with only a passing interest in, or no knowledge of, the sport. 
There were problems with grammar (e.g., "and... and..."), spelling (e.g., "Midlesbrough") and wording that should have been checked beforehand. I must mention excessive use of "the club" to the extent that it became a cliche when it was better to say "the team", nothing at all or just "Liverpool". Anyway, I've fixed that and I've also replaced several instances of "loss" with "defeat" because that is the correct word to use in respect of losing a match or a battle or whatever: a loss means losing something that is tangible.
The second paragraph of the lead needed attention because "a few players" was a weak expression given that the narrative confirms the exact total as eight. For departures, only Carson and Crouch were mentioned but not Finnan, Kewell or, most significantly, John-Arne Riise who was one of Liverpool's greatest left backs. 
In the fourth paragraph of the background section, the stuff about Chelsea was out of scope so I removed it. That paragraph needed to be written from a Liverpool perspective. Manchester United were the pre-season favourites and that needed to be stated, instead of the emphasis on Chelsea, to make clear that United were the team Liverpool needed to beat.
There were a couple of expressions that smacked of POV. One was "below par" which is a golfing term inapplicable to football as there is no indication of what par might be. Does it mean reached the semi-final or even won the competition? The other one is saying that the 2007–08 season was unsuccessful for Liverpool because it depends on the measure of success: Liverpool did reach the CL semi-final and finished in the PL top four to qualify for the CL again. For anyone else at the time, except Manchester United and Chelsea, that would have been considered a very successful season.
Anyway, those were the issues but I resolved them. The article now meets the GA criteria and I'm happy to pass it. Well done. No Great Shaker (talk) 23:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the review @No Great Shaker:. Much appreciated, as were the amendments to the article! NapHit (talk) 12:42, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, NapHit. No problem. I enjoyed reading the article as I remember a lot of the matches, especially that crazy game against Arsenal. All the best and take care of yourself. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:02, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

There is a big chunk of white space at the start of Squad statistics section which needs removing, fixing, probably due to the image there. Govvy (talk) 10:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello NapHit, I was just wondering whether we could change the formatting of this page to be the same as the future seasons. I know you mentioned that this does not fit the guidelines, but why are the other seasons different if they don't follow as well? 
Anyways, I just thought it would be nicer if we stuck to the future seasons' format to keep with the consistency and I personally think it is nicer to see the goalscorers of the opposition, as well as it being more aesthetically pleasing for the matches to have a dropdown instead. Sincere apologies if this does not suit your liking, I am humbly new in this.

It's not that it doesn't suit my liking, it's that those tables fail MOS:TABLE guidelines, specifically to do with WP:ACCESS AND MOS:DTT, so that's why we have different tables. Ideally, I'd go through all these season articles and change them, but it's time-consuming and a lot of work, which is another reason why there are different tables. Policing this issue isn't easy, and it's hard to do on an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. There is a thread somewhere on WT:FOOTY outlining the reasoning why we shouldn't use these tables, but the archive is so big I'll never be able to find it. No worries, on being new. It's a public encyclopedia, and it's great that you want to contribute. I'd have a read of WP:FOOTY and some of the guidelines etc. NapHit (talk) 21:22, 4 June 2025 (UTC)