# Talk:Annie (singer)

Havardk reports that Annie's birth year is listed as 1977 in the Norwegian tax records.  However, Annie has reported her birth year as 1978, and her age has been listed as 26 in various pre-November 2005 publications. - Carolyn81 07:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, I am unclear on whether Pop Till You Drop was just a club night, or an actual nightclub.  Carolyn81 01:52, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Pop till you drop was a club night at the nightclub Agora in Bergen. Havardk 11:03, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up!  I was checking the PTYD posters by Silje Heggren and saw the name Agora so I figured it was a club night, and was going to change that today. Carolyn81 21:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I have added a Maintained template to this page with my name.  I wrote the bio part of this article a while back and I am hoping to make some improvements soon.  Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you want to discuss this article.  - Carolyn81 07:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

As I haven't done any changes to Wikipedia in a long time and now, out of convinience, do it without registering, I'll explain why I thought my changes were appropriate. Timo is a common Finnish given name, while Timothy is not. The 'real' name Timothy is mentioned only on a handful of websites, and they have probably gotten this name from a single source. Also, on sites where Op:l Bastards is mentioned the stage name and real name of Vilunki 3000 there, while the other members appear to use their regular names as performers. As a probable source for assumption that his first name is Timothy is the Ministry of Sound, it is quite likely that someone simply made a slightly anglocentric mistake. And so, as I was not able to find any confirmation to Timothy being Mr. Kaukolampi's given name and plenty of proof for it being Timo before (in the finnish media) and after(online) this mention in the article cought my eye, I saw the edit as appropriate. And yes, I am procrastinating writing this long explanation :).
Oh, and the article as it was after I edited is [here].  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.153.113.240 (talk) 12:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC) 

This review is transcluded from Talk:Annie (Norwegian singer)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
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It is always nice to see good-quality articles for Norwegian artists. I only have tangential familiarity with the subject, but I'll review it to the best of my ability in accordance with WP:WIAGA. 
The article does not have serious issues that would warrant a quick-fail. However, the (almost) complete lack of citation formatting will have to be addressed. Detailed review coming soon. Regards, decltype (talk) 08:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


### Checking against GA criteria
It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): 
Generally, the prose is clear and the spelling and grammar are correct. There's a few issues that I'll get back to, or correct myself.
b (MoS): 
Citations are placed inconsistently (sometimes before, and sometimes after punctuation). A more major problem is the complete lack of source information for the citations. While citation templates or even consistent formatting is not required by WIAGA, I believe most reviewers expect at least source, date and author information, where available. The lack of this also made it much more difficult to assess the reliability of the sources.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): 
See above.
b (citations to reliable sources): 
Seems okay. Use of blog posts meets WP:SELFPUB (somewhat), see below.
c (OR): 
I couldn't find a direct source for the birth info in the article, but it shouldn't be hard to find.
It is broad in its scope.
a (major aspects): 
Considering the many colorful interviews available, the single-sentence "Personal life" section is a bit slim. Of course, this is not a tabloid, but I believe it is possible to add some relevant info to this section. 
b (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 
 The article uses a self-published source to explain the delay of the Don't Stop release. However, other RSs state that the delay was due to "I Know UR Girlfriend Hates Me" performing poorly, the term "flopping" being used.
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.: 

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): 

b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 
Removed punctuation.

Overall:
Pass/Fail: 
On hold pending improvements.

As long as there's at least some progress, I will not fail it, as I don't think it's that far from meeting the criteria. Feel free to ping me on my talk if I do not respond here in a timely manner. Regards, decltype (talk) 13:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I have formatted all of the citations using citeweb template, and added/replaced some citations and outdated links.  I moved all ref tags so that they're after punctuation throughout the article.
I added a few more details in the Personal Life section... not sure exactly what sorts of personal details I should be looking for to add to that section. I also removed the self-pub citations and replaced with reliable sources containing the same information.
Added birth citation, although please note that there is some confusion about Annie's birth year.  Media sources have reported that Annie was born in 1977, but I talked to Annie after a concert and she told me that she was born in 1978.  The dead link the references section that refers to this fact can be replaced with http://annie.thonky.com/blast-from-past.php but I'm not sure my site counts as a reliable source.
As for the issue with the reason behind Don't Stop being delayed, I couldn't find a reliable source that suggests that it was due to the flop of the I Know Your Girlfriend Hates Me single....- carolyn81 (user • talk) 21:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I've been silently following the progress you've made, and I'm very impressed. I'll respond in more detail tomorrow (UTC+2). I've been looking into the birth thing, and it's a bit unfortunate. I'll have to think about how to deal with that. Anyway, good work so far. decltype (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The fact about the delay can be found in this less than flattering article in Verdens Gang:[1]. By the way, you can reinstate the citation to Annie's blog because it was only used to verify what Annie stated. But I haven't found other sources that give details either. About the birth date, are there any RS that give the birth date as '78? It was fun to read about your experience, but you're right that it doesn't count as an RS. And as you say, many RSs give her birth date as '77. I'll do some ce's in the meantime. Just revert me if my changes aren't improvements. Regards, decltype (talk) 15:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I reinstated the blog citation.  This source has a correction at the end that says that Annie misstated her age, and was 26 as of May 1, 2005, not 27.  With her September birthday, this means that she was born in 1978.  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/01/arts/music/01rose.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolyn81 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I have updated the review to reflect the changes. I'm still unsure about the DOB. On one hand WP:V is crystal clear that '77 should be used. On the other hand it is unfortunate to have inaccurate information on Wikipedia. I think I'll have to seek the advice of someone more experienced in this matter. Regards, decltype (talk) 21:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Do you think the article should say 1977 for now, since there is more evidence to support that birth year? - carolyn81 (user • talk) 19:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
<--I'm inclined to say "yes". While the NYT article does indicate that there's some uncertainty, I haven't found an RS that gives the exact date in '78, except for some that seem to take info from this article. What do you think? decltype (talk) 19:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the article should say 1977.  If someone finds some RSs that make it clear that it should definitely be 1978, then they can change it and add the citations supporting it.- carolyn81 (user • talk) 20:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Okay, then I have no further issues. I removed the video links, per the external links guideline. If they are official and likely to remain live, they can be reinserted into the External links section. Thanks for all your great work. decltype (talk) 05:39, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the review!- carolyn81 (user • talk) 06:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Just noting: 3 new images are available at Commons:Category:Annie. Feel free to add them to the article. –Quibik (talk) 22:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Generally outdated is fine but since she is contemporary and there are claims about her releasing new stuff a while ago, I have to wonder are there any news articles on her progress?  I'm starting to think her projects have been scrapped, I could find nothing myself.  So to sum up: is there any MORE RECENT NEWS on what her deal is with these claims of new releases? It should be mentioned ErdoSa (talk) 22:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Her song "Anthonio" was featured in the 2014 film "The Guest" by Adam Wingard starring Dan Stevens. It would be nice if someone would include this information in proper etiquette.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.57.82.246 (talk) 02:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC) 

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The video for Back Together states that Annie was born in Scotland. Unless this is a joke I'm not getting about the inaccuracy on MTV pop biographies of the time, that's a primary source contradicts the NKR reference. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)