# Talk:Ahed Tamimi

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Talking about Israel-Hamas war is a manner of framing the debate and pushing the Israeli and its supporters narrative. Why not talking about the war in Palestine or in Israel. 80.253.212.74 (talk) 07:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

This article is supposed to be a summary of WP:RS about, but independent of, Ahed Tamimi. Per for example Ahed_Tamimi#2023_arrest, the Israel-Hamas war is part of the article's topic, and it would be very strange not to mention it. WP has MANY articles about the Israel-Palestine conflict, see for example Category:Israeli–Palestinian conflict.
What content do you suggest adding to what section in the article, cited to what WP:RS? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

This article should mention how, per the Middle East Media Research Institute, Ahed Tamimi went on an anti-Semitic tirade on a podcast, saying "we (referring to Palestinians) are fighting the Jews, not Zionism". This is blatant anti-Jewish hatred, and not including it would be maliciously downplaying her violent rhetoric towards the Jewish people. She also said she wishes for World War III to happen and said she doesn't care who dies. 
https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/08/21/palestinian-activist-ahed-tamimi-says-we-are-fighting-the-jews-not-zionism/
https://www.memri.org/tv/ahed-tamimi-palestinian-activist-jews-zionism DCMetroBoy25 (talk) 12:50, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Per Middle East Media Research Institute, it appears to me that MEMRI is a dubious source in this context. This is very recent, per WP:PROPORTION and WP:NOTNEWS there is no rush. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:02, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
Of course, other editors might disagree. Still looks dubious to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:40, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
@Zanahary, I'm removing this [1] for now per Middle East Media Research Institute/WP:MEMRI and WP:BLP. You used the Algemeiner ref, but it's just repeating MEMRI. Fwiw, WP:CTOP (blp, a-i) applies. Consensus will be what it will be. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:25, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Algemeiner and i24 both found it fit to publish. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:27, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
And the i24NEWS (Israeli TV channel) one also seems to be repeating MEMRI, though it's less clear. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:36, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Yes, they are citing MEMRI, which lends the particular story more credibility, as the report is being picked up by others. I see the below IP comment saying it's a mistranslation. Do you know anything about that? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:39, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
No, I don't know the languages, my argument is that the source may be for a BLP, and of course WP:PROPORTION. Fwiw, some comment on i24 at
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_432#Israeli_based_news_sources
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_422#Synagogue_attack_in_Armenia_and_Azerbaijani_coverage_of_it
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_448#I24NEWS
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:47, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Yes, I wasn't asking if you're not disclosing to me an aspect of your argument based in the translation! Just wondering if there was some discussion of the MEMRI translation somewhere that you might know about.I think you're right that it isn't due, but not because it originates with MEMRI. If it gets picked up more widely and credibly, then I think it should be included. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:51, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Nope, I don't know of any such discussion, apart from the thread below, and that's not very useful from the WP-perspective. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:59, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Well, it's back in the article, Jpost has taken it up too, so the case for a bit of WP:PROPORTION is stronger. I still have WP:BLP/WP:MEMRI concerns, but at least it has more legs. If some RS comments on the quality of the translation, we can deal with that when it happens. I do think that since the sources [2][3] attribute this in-text to MEMRI, we should too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:39, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
The podcast translated its own interview in their video https://youtube.com/watch?v=BanFKA9Vep4
MEMRI misrepresents her statements starting around 12:20 about Zionism and Judaism and the later quotes about world war seems sensational to include and not pertinent. I can't find the superiority quote at all.
tbh its somewhat shocking MEMRI is even considered worth sourcing 2601:197:1600:47F0:D579:3CF9:76AE:AC0C (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
I'm going to be the devil's advocate now, and say that the podcast's own translation is not necessarily more reliable than MEMRI:s. They also have a dog in this race, per "the iconic Palestinian girl, national hero, freedom fighter, and symbol of resistance". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:44, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
I think the incentives are pretty different - why would a small podcast that supports her mistranslate her words to a partially bilingual audience? Compared to MEMRI which has a decades long reputation for politically charged actions based on misrepresentation. Idk, it just feels like a typical hit piece from them. 2601:197:1600:47F0:D579:3CF9:76AE:AC0C (talk) 17:46, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
It is obvious to me why the podcast might manipulate quotes to portray her more favorably. Not saying they did, but your argument about motive doesn’t make sense to me. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 02:37, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
Rafi Chazon, hello. On your revert here:[4]. IMO it adds no value to mention that the podcast was on spotify (it's like saying it was on the internet), or the name of the podcast since it doesn't have a WP-article, so the name tells us nothing, the relevant thing is that Tamimi is in it, and that MEMRI and some others noticed. You're also re-adding some other unnecessary words. That's my view, consensus will be what it will be. Noting also that this is a WP:1RR article, WP:CT/ARBPIA and all that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:35, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

I simply Provide the whole picture, where and when she said the things she said. MEMERI simply gave a translation to the things she said on the podcast. I also added the podcast itself so anyone who wants can hear the quotes are correct. Wikipedia is about providing the full possible information and that is what i did.  Rafi Chazon (talk) 08:57, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
No, WP is about summarizing WP:RS on a subject in a WP:PROPORTIONate manner. "full possible information" is not the goal of this website. And IMO, mentioning spotify and name of podcast and re-adding those other unnecessary words does not help "whole picture" or anything else. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:07, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
According to what you say, don't you think that where the thinks were actually said are important? Rafi Chazon (talk) 06:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
No, it's not important this was on Spotify or on a website "we" or the relevant WP:RS has no info on. Note that JP doesn't mention the name of the podcast, and Algemeiner has nothing to say on it besides name. If it had a WP-article (meaning it passed WP:N), then it would be reasonable to mention, because that would tell the reader something. What matters from the WP-pov is that per sources there's an argument to include something about what Tamimi said, not that it was on Spotify. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:35, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
Honestly i find this funny, you say the place of where the things were said is not important, as if it was said in some vacuum and what is important is the source that quotes them. When as we all know, the place is important, as the translation is correct. It's just like saying a football match football match between two team or nations is taking place, but not saying where it took place. Rafi Chazon (talk) 11:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
And I find it funny you think it's important this was on Spotify. We disagree, it happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
That is unprofessional of you then, as every good editor knows, you must give the reader the place where things were said and then what was said there. Otherwise anyone can make up whatever he or she wants. Rafi Chazon (talk) 11:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
There was a place: "A podcast". As exhalted as a blog, tweet, insta-post or whatever. But with some media-coverage, hence it was on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:32, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Once again you are wrong, as "podcast" can be done anywhere, while stating it was on Spotify, with the its name, allows anyone who wants to find it and hear it for him of herself. Unlike your way, that leaves things unclear.  Rafi Chazon (talk) 11:46, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Interested readers can do that by checking the refs anyway, primary ref or not. Or by googling "Ahed Tamimi" podcast. Or, atm, by checking the EL-section. You just added another ref [5] that thinks "podcast" is enough. Like I said, we disagree, it happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:55, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Jewish Chronicle is also not RS post-2020 for this topic area. So @Rafi Chazon has now added multiple sources that fail RS to include highly contentious content in a BLP, edit-warred over it, and refused to follow WP:BRD. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 12:08, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
It pleases me to know that my edits, are more professional than a source  added. I thank you for your complement :) Rafi Chazon (talk) 12:09, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Perpetual optimism is a force multiplier. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Once again, thank you Rafi Chazon (talk) 12:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
This doesn't make sense. The podcast is not exclusive to Spotify nor tied to Spotify in any way per reliable sources. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 15:54, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Fwiw, The Enlightenment Podcast self-describes as "Filmmakers and creatives talking about the stories that matter to us - starting with Palestine...We believe in social impact, humanism, and hope." But that's not interesting for this article either. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
With this article being a WP:BLP, I think we should wait a bit for the dust to settle. As the podcast's translation is different & MEMRI's spotty history with controversial translations, we should follow both WP:RS/QUOTE & WP:RSBREAKING, leaving it out for now. There's no rush & it'd be better to not risk adding potentially libelous information. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 23:09, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

I agree with @Butterscotch Beluga and @Gråbergs Gråa Sång. MEMRI has a long history of providing translations that are either outright false, or taken out of context in such a way as to distort its meaning. And judging from the nature of this particular claim and its original source, a biography co-written by Ahed Tamimi with Dena Tarkuri of Al Jazeera, it seems to be very likely it is a case of taking out of context what it says. The fact that all the media picking up on this are highly partisan pro-Israeli ones so far and not any other RS, and they are all sourcing it back to MEMRI, makes it all the more suspect.
Let's wait for the dust to settle. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 09:05, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
@Raskolnikov.Rev Sorry, I must have missed something, what has the content under discussion to do with Tamimi's memoir? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
I thought one of the sources was the biography, but I see now it is only MEMRI. That confirms my view that we should wait to see if it gets picked up by more RS before we consider its inclusion. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 11:30, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

The addition in source 45 is an algemeiner article only citing MEMRI which is a mistranslation of what she said. Blatant bigoted misinformation from MEMRI recycled through another listed source. 2601:197:1600:47F0:AB7:1CF6:463E:4370 (talk) 02:51, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Removed for now, see thread above this one. We'll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:26, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Please explain what she was saying if, per your account, the original story was "mistranslated". DCMetroBoy25 (talk) 13:48, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
While I'm slightly curious on that as well, it's off the topic of this talkpage, which is improvements to the Ahed Tamimi article.. Now, if a WP:RS comments on that, it might be interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:26, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Still nothing we can use? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:07, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

I am requesting that this edit be reverted.
Thank you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ahed_Tamimi&action=history
BQ357trbn21 (talk) 04:25, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Smallangryplanet (talk) 08:23, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

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