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Reviewer: Truflip99 (talk · contribs) 16:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


### Lead
I suggest expanding the lead relative to the length of this article
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I expanded the lead. What else do you think should be included?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99: I am not sure if you saw this.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99: What do you suggest I do with the lead?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613: I reviewed the lead, and it reads fine. --Truflip99 (talk) 23:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Reword: A pedestrian tunnel also extends westward to Broadway, 1,000 feet (300 m) west of the actual station. -- Elaborate on pedestrian tunnel's description/purpose.
 Pending
Exact opening date
 Done
Two years later, a pedestrian tunnel opened, better connecting the station with the local neighborhood, whose access was hindered by the area's hilly topography. -- I think this can be combined with the earlier sentences about the elevators and ped tunnel. Add which neighborhood was better connected.
 Pending
 Done I moved a portion of this to that sentence you were referencing. Does this work? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99: I am not sure if you saw this.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613: Yup! --Truflip99 (talk) 23:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
The opening of the station and the tunnel resulted in the development of the surrounding area of Fort George, including the construction of apartment buildings. -- this can be elaborated further
 Pending
 Done I think what I added should be sufficient. Do you agree?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99: I am not sure if you saw this.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613: This is good as well. --Truflip99 (talk) 23:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


### History
#### Construction
##### Station
ce: "...was extended northward from 157th Street to a temporary terminus on 221st Street and Broadway on March 12, 1906" -- and comma after date
 Done
ce: "between the 181st Street and Dyckman Street stations, which became overcrowded."
 Done
"Engineers found that the construction of a station was feasible since the subway platforms would be on almost the same level as Broadway." -- Why was being on the "same level" feasible?
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@Truflip99: It wasn't that being on the same level was feasible, but that the construction of the tunnel, I will correct it from station, was feasible-since they were on about the same level, the grade was low enough for people to use. Is this clear? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:51, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
This should be the second paragraph:
The opening of the station was expected to spur development in the Fort George area prior to the station's opening. Its original sponsor was David Stewart. The construction of the station had been pushed for by Stewart and other property owners seeking better accessibility to their land. Following the announcement for the station's construction, and prior to the start of construction, interest in nearby real estate increased, having been nonexistent in the last two years.
 Done
The opening of the station was expected to spur development in the Fort George area prior to the station's opening. -- this sentence is contradictory as well as redundant
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
"The station had not been deemed necessary as this area of Manhattan was less densely populated, and it was thought that there was need to have stations located as closely together as they were downtown." -- this sentence is contradictory. It also negates the paragraph above.
Thanks for catching this. It was no need, not need. That completely changed the sentence. Is this clear now?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Crystal clear! Thanks for doing that. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
This should be the third paragraph:
Work on the construction of the station began on July 20, 1909. Preliminary work on the new shafts started on August 18, 1909(comma) after legal and engineering difficulties were straightened out in the previous months. Preliminary work involved the clearing of a site in a vacant lot south of 191st Street on the west side of St. Nicholas Avenue for a 177-foot-deep (54 m) shaft to accommodate four elevators and a steel emergency staircase from the surface to platform level. The four elevator wells were located in the four corners of the main shaft with the staircase located between them. The emergency staircase, along with those at the 168th Street and 181st Street stations, which were also mainly accessed by elevators, was used for the first time on March 23, 1914 after the elevators stopped working due to a problem at the Dyckman power station. The use of the staircase resulted in extreme congestion.
 Done

Preliminary work on the new shafts started on August 18, 1909 -- elaborate on or wikilink "shafts" (to differentiate it from your use of elevator shafts as well) and move the ref to end of sentence
 Done
after legal and engineering difficulties were straightened out in the previous months. -- you should expand upon this
I searched and have not found anything about this, having looked at several online newspaper archives, so there is nothing I can expand on.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Understood! --Truflip99 (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
ce: "Construction of the station proved difficult as it required the sinking of a shaft and the widening of the tunnel bore on both sides to accommodate the platforms; this was accomplished without interrupting subway service."
 Done
Blasting for the station was limited to midnight to 5 a.m.. -- why?
 Done Construction took place on an active rail line. I mentioned that it was done when service operated at its lowest frequency.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:48, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
ce: "The station platforms were designed to be 480 feet (150 m) to accommodate 10-car express trains."
 Done
"Originally, part of the old tunnel arch was going to be used for the station roof. However, the discovery of a mud seam and the development of cracks in the roof made it necessary to build a flat roof over the tracks, filling in the space between the roofs with concrete." -- roof, do you mean ceiling?
 Done
(pausing here) --Truflip99 (talk) 16:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


##### Pedestrian tunnel
Along with the construction of the station, a 1,000-foot-long (300 m) tunnel was built to connect the station at 191st Street and St. Nicholas Avenue with Broadway, 59 feet (18 m) west of Fairview Avenue. -- the convert tp does not work with double adjectives (e.g. 1-foot-long, 5-foot-wide). Needs to be typed manually.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
The cost was levied on the neighborhood's property owners at their request. The tunnel street cost $76,000, of which the IRT provided $5,000. -- these are redundant on "cost" and can be merged.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
The title to an easement required for its construction was acquired in a proceeding under a provision of the City Charter, not under the terms of the Rapid Transit Act. -- wikilink easement and provide brief explanation as to why this was necessary; also considering moving it to the beginning of the third paragraph
 Done I believe that I clarified it and moved it to the beginning of the third paragraph.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:18, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
1,900 feet (580 m)-long --> 1,900-foot-long
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Three entrances to the tunnel were proposed, one at Broadway, one at Fort Washington Avenue with two elevators, and one at Riverside Drive, three at grade. -- I'm not understanding the "three at grade" part of this sentence
 Done I believe that I clarified it, but if I didn't, let me know. The wording seems a bit awkward, but I want to know what your thoughts on this change are first.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
clarify: In June 1910, the local board of directors sent a resolution calling for the construction of the street tunnel to the New York City Board of Estimate (NYCBOE).
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
better word: At the time, funding had been acquired for slightly more than half of the length of the tunnel, with the remainder expected to be secured by easements.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
The NYCBOE approved the petition for the improvement and agreed to hold a public hearing on December 29. -- add year
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
ce: In January 1911, Construction was expected to begin in the summer of 1911.
@Truflip99: I changed it to as of January 1911. The month needs to be included to show that the timeline for the project slipped. What is the problem with this sentence? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Kew Gardens 613 I most certainly acknowledge the need to maintain a straightforward timeline (although it's not necessarily a requirement for storytelling), but in the case where "On [date], it was predicted that [event] would happen on [date]," where both [dates] have already happened, it would be more straightforward to just say that the [event] (actually) took place on [this date]. Its equivalent to saying "In 1937, WWII was expected to start in 1938 with the invasion of Poland. Germany did it in 1939." If there is an absolute need to convey that the predictions were off, then I would support the formatting if it included an explanatory interjection: "... but construction actually started on [date] because..." Hopefully that makes sense. As it stands, all of these dates are kind of hard to follow, especially for someone unfamiliar with NY Subway history. Wikipedia is meant to be a bit more concise to cater to more casual readers. --Truflip99 (talk) 15:26, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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@Truflip99: Most people familiar with NY Subway history would no next to nothing on the subject of the tunnel. I have generally included things like this because they show that there was a slip in the schedule. Upon further research, I might be able to find out why there was delay. I am pinging @Epicgenius: to see what he thinks about this.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:22, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Kew Gardens 613, I'm inclined to think that if the delay was minor (less than six months), no explanation would be needed for the delay, since it is pretty trivial. However, any more than that might warrant an explanation. In any case, the reason for the delay doesn't have to be that long, because it's a very minor detail in regards to this article. epicgenius (talk) 20:05, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
The company was given a year to finish the work, but expected to complete it in nine months. In October 1911, construction of the tunnel was expected to be completed on April 1, 1912. -- these sentences can be merged.
@Truflip99: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Despite the fact that the company gave different construction timelines to the same newspaper, one day after the other, is odd. In the first article from October 4, it said that the work would be completed about April 1, which was sixth months away. The article from October 5 said that it would take nine months, which would bring it to July. I am not sure what to do with this discrepancy. Any thoughts? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:29, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Have this be its own paragraph: In December 1911, the local Board of Improvements authorized plans to extend the tunnel west at grade across Broadway and Bennett Avenue and then in a tunnel to a point underneath Fort Washington Avenue, the highest point in Manhattan, from where elevators would take passengers to the surface. In April 1913, it was expected to be extended at a later date.(this provides no additional information, move the ref to the next sentence) An extension of the tunnel was expected to quickly develop that area. As such an extension was discussed, and questions were raised concerning which agency would operate the elevators.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
(pausing here, sorry been a bit busy past few days) --Truflip99 (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


#### Opening and early years
191st Street opened to the public on January 14, 1911,[1][47][48] despite not being fully complete. move the refs at the end of the sentence
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
ce: The ticket booths, which were to be in vestibules at street level, had not been completed, and temporary booths for the sale of tickets were built and put in the mezzanine.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
A special train with guests ran from 137th Street to the station. -- could you elaborate on what was special about the guests?
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
It expected the Fort George area to become one of the choicest apartment areas of the city. -- since "choicest" isn't a common word anymore, I would suggest putting it in quotes if you want to keep it
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
ce: However, initially, only two of the elevators were initially installed, with the other two to be put in once ridership at the station justified it.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
ce: These elevators go up to the surface on a plot given to the city by the Henry Morgenthau Company.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
The elevators were in one of the company's buildings, which was completed at the end of 1916. -- What does this mean by they were in the company's buildings?
 Done @Truflip99: Is this clear?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
After the station opened, the walls were black and stained, ironwork was covered in rust, and portions of cement in the walls and ceiling had crumbled away due to water damage. -- how long until this happened? the existing wording sounds like this happened as soon as the station opened
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
A similar problem occurred at the 181st Street station, and it took time to fix the leaks and waterproof that station. -- how long?
@Truflip99: This is unclear. It says "some time." I wasn't able to find any articles about it.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:08, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Drains were installed in this station and leaks were tended to. -- how? if by the drains, then say Drains were installed in this station to tend to the leaks.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
ce: On January 3, 1912, IRT officials had hinted that if the problems could not be fixed, the station would be eliminated.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
The problem was eventually fixed, and a similar issue occurred at the Canal Street station on the Brooklyn–Manhattan Transit subway system in 1918. -- how? also, is the second fragment necessary?
@Truflip99:  Done I have not seen anything about how it was fixed. Is what I did fine?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
4th paragraph almost seems unnecessary.
@Truflip99: Why do you think it might be unnecessary?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
The wording of the sale of land does not provide information on the consequence it had on the 191st Street station. The construction of the relief station seems more appropriate for the article of the station being talked about. But I'm not sure if it exists, as it is not indicated. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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@Truflip99: You are right. It is not clear that the station does not exist. I think that maybe a slimmed down version of this paragraph could be included, indicating that, based on the success of opening the infill station at 191st Street, a station was proposed at 187th Street. Do you think something on the lines of that would make sense?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
ce: Bids for the project were received on August 28, with construction expected to be completed eight months after the award.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
The elevators opened on September 16, 1926, coinciding with the opening of city schools. -- probably more accurate to say "the start of classes"
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
The addition of the elevators required the addition of additional power supply. -- might want to diversify word use here :D
I am sometimes bad at diversifying my word use, but that was downright awful and hilarious. I have no idea how I did not notice the problem. Thanks!  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)


#### Mid-20th century
ce: Unlike the other stations being extended on the line, the 191st Street station already platformed 10-car trains. However, because it was only 480 feet (150 m), not all doors would open at the station. On April 6, 1948, the platform extension project opened for stations from 103rd Street to Dyckman Street, with the exception of 125th Street.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
ce: Five deep stations in Washington Heights, including the 191st Street station, were considered ideal for use as bomb-proof shelters.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
(pausing, have to head home) --Truflip99 (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

continuity: The program was expected to cost $140 million
 Done You mean 104 million.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
ce: These shelters were expected to provide limited protection against conventional bombs, while also providing protection against shock waves and air blast, as well as from the heat and radiation from an atomic bomb.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
What was the outcome of the shelter plan?
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@Truflip99: I did some research and found a definitive statement saying that the plan was not executed. I am not sure why it wasn't, but presume it was the need for federal funding.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:05, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613: I read through this and have no qualms. --Truflip99 (talk) 23:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
What was the result of the May 1983 bids for the elevators?
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@Truflip99: I cannot find anything other than the advertisement for the project to potential bidders.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


#### Elevator operators
ce: At the time, passengers had to wait on long lines to get to the platforms since only one or two of the elevators at the station usually worked.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
ce: According to an MTA spokesperson, three elevators were supposed to be running during rush hours, stating that one of the elevators was being renovated, with a second to be done later.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
The station was closed between July 1 and December 31, 2003 for the renovation project. The pedestrian tunnel was closed during the project. -- these sentences can be merged
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
The token booth was moved as part of the project. -- to where?
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:29, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
redundant: In November 2007, as part of a savings cuts plan, the MTA planned to remove all the attendants as part of savings cuts, saving $1.7 million a year.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


### Station layout
redundant: As part of the MTA's Arts for Transit Program, $88,360 was allocated for the installation and creation of a mosaic tile piece of art titled Primavera by Raul Colon as part of the station's 2003 renovation.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


#### Exits
ce: The elevators to the mezzanine still utilize elevator operators, and the station is one of the few in the system to do so.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
The station is not compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and thus cannot be used by patrons with wheelchairs, because access from the fare control area to the platforms is only possible via stairways. -- move this sentence at the end of the paragraph
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
ce: The other entrance/exit, at 190th Street and Broadway west of the station, is located at a hillside and is accessed via a three-block long passageway, which passes under Wadsworth Terrace and Avenue.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Since I'm at work on this slow, post-4th day, I hope to get this finished today. Hope you had a great 4th, and are one of the many who didn't have to commute today. --Truflip99 (talk) 16:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


### Passageway
I would rename this section Tunnel Street Passageway
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
use Template:Gallery for both sets of pics
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:25, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
ce: In the early 1990s, as the city's crime rates reached an all-time high, the station was considered very dangerous, with 11 crimes having taken place there in the year 1990, many of which were suspected to have happened in the tunnel.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:25, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
ce: Awarded $15,000 each, the artists worked for over a week on their art.
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:25, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


### Sources
1: wikilink NYT
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
4: remove wikilink for MTA
@Truflip99: This is from a template that is used in all subway station articles.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
10: wikilink New-York Tribune
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
22: wikilink New York Herald
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
all of the links sourced from fultonhistory.com use via parameter
@Truflip99: What should I do here?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
The cite tp has a via parameter where you just enter fultonhistory.com; you've done it before in previous reviews --Truflip99 (talk) 22:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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Sorry about that. I didn't realize that these weren't in here already.  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:28, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
80: missing title, if there isn't one, might want to type that ref out manually
@Truflip99: I know that there is a title, but don't know what it is. What is the point of typing it out manually?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
We've done it as a sort of workaround so that that missing parameter doesn't show up in the ref list. See ref 53 in NS Line. --Truflip99 (talk) 22:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
89: more precise description than "Compare"
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Will do a final read through ones these are resolved. --Truflip99 (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


### Final review
Thanks for your patience with this review. I'm very meticulous (which may be apparent from how I continue to edit articles you've turned GA); I hope that doesn't discourage you from working with me. --Truflip99 (talk) 21:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

No problem. I wish that many of the other GAs I have nominated or that other people in WP:NYCPT were done as throughly. Thanks so much.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Should this be in past tense?: The underground street was the only one of its kind in Manhattan. The tunnel was lined with glazed tile, lit for its entire length, and guarded at all times.[19] It had a stationary post where a policeman was always on duty.[42] Policemen were stationed at either end of the tunnel. The tunnel's grade from the steps at the Broadway entrance to the subway platform was one percent to allow water used in cleaning that collected around the walls to drain through a sewer to the subway. The difference between the two ends is 9.5 feet (2.9 m).--Truflip99 (talk) 21:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I think that it might still be the only one of its kind. I don't think it is still glazed with tile and it certainly is not guarded.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613: Then I would suggest: The underground street remains the only one of its kind in Manhattan. The tunnel was lined with glazed tile, lit for its entire length, and guarded at all times. It had a stationary post where a policeman was always on duty. Policemen were stationed at either end of the tunnel. The tunnel's grade from the steps at the Broadway entrance to the subway platform is one percent to allow water used in cleaning that collects around the walls to drain through a sewer to the subway. The difference between the two ends is 9.5 feet (2.9 m). --Truflip99 (talk) 23:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99:  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 02:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Swap the year figures in Ridership section. --Truflip99 (talk) 21:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Kew Gardens 613 When you have the time (since this has passed GA), could you provide better, more uniform descriptions for the tunnel galleries? Missed that one. --Truflip99 (talk) 17:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99: I changed the captions. Do these work? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Much better, thanks! --Truflip99 (talk) 20:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


### Discussion
@Truflip99: Why did I get a message saying that you failed the nomination? I was planning to address the points I have not addressed soon. I am working part-time three days per week so I have less time. You have not even fully reviewed the article, so I do not think it is fair to fail it. I typically move from the easiest things to address to the most time-consuming. If you had given additional things for me to address, I would have definitely addressed some of those in this time. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Kew Gardens 613, looking at the history, I can't find where they failed it, so I imagine it resulted from the move. If you want you could raise an issue with Legobot about it. StudiesWorld (talk) 18:08, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
@StudiesWorld: That is what I was guessing. How would I raise an issue with Legobot about it?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Kew Gardens 613, looking, it isn't clear. You could try [1] or User talk:Legobot. StudiesWorld (talk) 18:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kew Gardens 613, I hadn't messed with this under the assumption that you were indeed busy. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:11, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99: Thanks for understanding. I am working part-time doing research on transit, and hadn't had the time. I finished the second of two projects I was working on and suddenly have nothing to do at the moment, so I went ahead and responded to the comments I had not addressed. Thanks so much for taking this up and for being patient.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613: I've thrown in a few pending TPs that I'd like you to address. Sorry I hadn't pinged you, I assumed you would have checked your watchlist (or perhaps you've been busy..) I'm also going to request a copy edit from WP:GOCE, since I'm not fully satisfied with my suggestions and I tend to go back and forth on my copy edits--which I don't want to have to suffer through. --Truflip99 (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@Truflip99: I have been busy, so I have been doing the easier things here I do check my watchlist. No problem on not pinging me. I will check this again what I get home. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613: Would you mind if we wait for the GOCE review, or would you rather we move forward? --Truflip99 (talk) 22:38, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: I disagree with the copyedits that added the wikilinks for every Times article and the change from "served by the 1 at all times." Do you agree with me? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Kew Gardens 613, I agree that wikilinking the Times at every instance is unnecessary. At most, only the first instance should be linked. Personally I don't link newspaper names in citations (at least while using Visual Editor), but that's just my preference. epicgenius (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: Same here. What do you think we should do then?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Kew Gardens 613, I suppose, remove the links to the Times except in the first citation. epicgenius (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Kew Gardens 613 sorry about that :\ --Truflip99 (talk) 00:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99: Thanks for reviewing this, but you didn't follow the proper protocol, which is why I didn't get a message on my talk page. You are not supposed to add the GA icon manually. See Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions#Passing, which states:
If you determine that the article meets the good article criteria, you may pass it by doing the following:

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--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613: I definitely thought I did though, considering I looked up those same instructions when I did it. Also, it's not my first time upgrading an article to GA. I was actually waiting for the bot to do something, but it just never did. --Truflip99 (talk) 20:46, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613, thanks for adding the update about the elevator operator lawsuit. The source makes it sound like the August 4 ruling was an injunction, not a final decision (Ordered that respondent remains enjoined and restrained from removing, terminating, eliminating, replacing, reassigning NYC Transit Authority employees from presently operating the elevators). I had seen it earlier but wasn't sure if an injunction was noteworthy enough to mention. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I think you are right. I think it would be notable that the MTA was enjoined, but as this news story plays out, maybe it becomes less relevant. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)