# Talk:Air India Express Flight 1344

Need some more details on the condition during approach and landing    -Stannis

Death count 17 persons including pilot. TintuArunav (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

TintuArunav, please add the source of information. ❯❯❯   S A H A 19:29, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
ArnabSaha Added in table.please check it out.Malayalam news update.Thank you . TintuArunav (talk) 19:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
TintuArunav,  ❯❯❯   S A H A 19:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello User:ArnabSaha can you please revert the image,MediaOneTV is my nearby Media , and permission to me  to share the image.Thank you TintuArunav (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
TintuArunav, if they have permitted you to use that image, then you have to show proof by going through this. ❯❯❯   S A H A 20:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Is 2020 over yet? Sorry for the non-sequitur, but what a year... Juneau Mike (talk) 03:20, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Is it only me or are others seeing a radio button on the article page?
The radio buttons say "Show map of India", "Show map of Kerala", "Show All".
Can someone check it and fix it as required?
Thanks,
Ktin (talk) 20:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Ktin, i can't see ❯❯❯   S A H A 20:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
ArnabSaha, Very weird, I looked at it from two different laptops and browsers. Still seeing those radio buttons. Ktin (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
same @Ktin . Very weird ArnabSaha. TintuArunav (talk) 20:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Screenshot Attached Ktin (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Ktin, its also visible for epic right? ❯❯❯   S A H A 20:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
ArnabSaha, Sorry, did not follow. What epic? Ktin (talk) 20:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Ktin, oh, sorry. I misunderstood. I thought u are someone else. its related to WP:Discord ❯❯❯   S A H A 20:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@Ktin is it ok now? TintuArunav (talk) 20:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@TintuArunav Affirmative. No radio buttons now. Thanks. But, something odd has happened with the map on the bottom right of the screen. Ktin (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@SounderBruce, I see you making a few edits on the article page, can you help look at the map at the bottom right? Something is odd with it. There is a map of India, and a map of Kerala underneath it. Please can you fix if something is needed there. Ktin (talk) 21:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Ktin, someone was using the multiple map image in location map but didn't account for where the radio buttons would be. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 09:21, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Flight and crash showing runway 10 as final approach runway. Does not seem correct from the visuals available online. It was indded runway 28 and skidded towards the approach of runway 10. The line– On the second attempt on runway 10, the aircraft touched down near taxiway C, which is approximately 1,000 m (3,300 ft) from the beginning of the 2,860 m (9,380 ft) runway., only includes one varifiable citation, need more, if anyone can confirm it, it would be good for the article. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 12:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Drat8sub, final approach was from R10. check airport chart ❯❯❯   S A H A 12:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
The citation does not show the flight's approach, it's just info of the runway. Drat8sub (talk) 12:20, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
its not a citation. I provided this for better visualisation. also this ❯❯❯   S A H A 12:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
also, provide the visuals saying R28 ❯❯❯   S A H A 12:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Gone through the satellites maps. Correct !! Was prejudiced with these brick stacking here in the satellite map that can be seen in the visuals of actual photographs from the crash site. But failed to see that there is a small brick stack near the threshold of R28 too and matches with the small AAI hut with red roof here. Drat8sub (talk) 12:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
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@WWGB: They are Indians. They were returning from UAE. ❯❯❯   S A H A 12:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

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You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

ArnabSaha, please self revert this edit, and the edit summary would be erroneous as mos:lead does not tell to remove citations all together from lead rather the guideline actually says to keep citation for possibly challenged material, and the citations used in the lead here for statistical and challenging materials like "into a 9–10.5-metre (30–35-foot)"...."broke into three pieces"...."second most deadly accident involving Air India Express"...."which killed 158 people". So, citations are necessary for the lead. However, no need to restore the previously removed multiple citation added for a single line, would not be necessary. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I think the data and figures are well established now. also properly addressed in the body with better, official sources. citations arent required. need a citation for this "second most deadly accident involving Air India Express" ❯❯❯   S A H A 18:15, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
ArnabSaha, it's not about well established or not, as because it should be assumed anything added in a wikipedia article should be backed by well established RS, there is no chance of not established fact. That's why such thing are not considered in anyway necessary to include in guidelines of mos:lead. Rather it's about materials that can be challenged. As clearly its written, The verifiability policy advises that material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, and direct quotations, should be supported by an inline citation. Above that a lead is a summarised version of the whole story and it should be expected that many readers only read the lead and infobox only just to take necessary knowledge. And when materials like the above mentioned phrases which are likely to be challeged should always have an inline citation. And even infobox whereever required, like no. of fatalities. Thus, please self revert the edit, which was errorneous per the guidelines to avoid a 3RR. I hope you got it. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 18:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 added citations ❯❯❯   S A H A 18:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

can this be called a scheduled flight? it was a  repatriation flight from dubai to kerala. ❯❯❯   S A H A 19:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

ArnabSaha, as mentioned in your talk page, remove the part if you can't describe the same thing in the article with RS. Keep if you can do the same. Drat8sub (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Already sorted out at my talk page. Drat8sub (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The disaster cats & DM banner have been removed. What's the threshold for inclusion? Jim Michael (talk) 11:30, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

9/11 was a disaster. Beirut explosion is a disaster. Eighteen dead in a plane crash is not. Dunno what the threshold is, but it's sure to be more than 18. WWGB (talk) 11:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Any plane accident regardless how many people died, are include in disaster category, which includes in wikiproject DM. 180.245.109.42 (talk) 13:22, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Evidence? WWGB (talk) 13:39, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
The OED: A sudden accident or a natural catastrophe that causes great damage or loss of life., An event or fact that has unfortunate consequences. --qedk (t 愛 c) 16:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Incidents (including plane crashes) with a lower death & injury toll have been called disasters by the mainstream media, including some with WP articles which include disaster in their titles. They include: Connellan air disaster (5 killed, 4 injured), 1940 Canberra air disaster (10k, 0 i) & Meopham air disaster (6k, 0i). Jim Michael (talk) 10:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Per our very own Disaster: "a serious disruption occurring over a short or long period of time that causes widespread human, material, economic or environmental loss which exceeds the ability of the affected community or society to cope using its own resources." Where is the evidence that India could not cope using its own resources? I see no mention of foreign aid pouring in ...  WWGB (talk) 11:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
You are explicitly contradicting yourself. 9/11 was a disaster, which you mentioned, but there was no mention of any international aid reaching the US. The US government coped with the situation with its own resources, but 9/11 is still definitely a disaster. --Liu1126 (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Indeed a disaster, when there is so many loss of life in a such a short period. And aviation accidents are often considered disaster in itself since, each civil aircraft atleast cost US$100M or more, and this one is 450M, a huge economic loss for sure. A famous example Green Ramp disaster. Why it's been removed? This is also a case of Engineering disaster along with anthropogenic or man made disaster. Drat8sub (talk) 23:23, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

The problem is the significantly differing definitions of disaster, and the project not stating the boundary between a disaster & a damaging event that isn't severe enough to be classified as a disaster. Jim Michael (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Not sue I understood why the link to Kenyon's home page is a bad idea, @WWGB:  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Udas (talk • contribs) 13:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC) 

Please see Wikipedia:External links, in particular, "links to web pages outside Wikipedia ... should not normally be placed in the body of an article". Kenyon International is not a notable organisation and does not have a Wikipedia page. Linking to it provides no benefit to the reader. WWGB (talk) 13:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Everything mentioned in this article against calicut airport safety measures refered with this month newsapaper publications. please go and try to find the base of the news published ...that means fact of the information you provided.
for example I quoted below some information which taken from the source of the air india webistes.
AIRPORTS AUTHORITY OF INDIA website says "The aerodrome is licensed for use in IFR (all weather) condition" to see the statement scroll to "DETAILS OF PRKG" point No.3 [1]
note the website link mentioned above says the fact of the weather condition.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaarnaz (talk • contribs) 08:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC) 

Kaarnaz, both details are provided in background section ❯❯❯   S A H A 02:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

According to Flight Plan an alternate airport is to be indicated, which in this case can be Kannur 60 miles up north and 12 to 15 minutes away. It is common knowledge that Kozhikode runway will have standing water during monsoon Landing at Kannur after the failure of first attempt is the safer option
I thank you
122.166.185.5 (talk) 13:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Air India Express Flight 1344/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Tayi Arajakate (talk · contribs) 05:01, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Saha, I'll be taking up this nomination's review which I will present shortly. I hope my feedback will be of use to you and that I get to learn something new in the process. Tayi Arajakate Talk 05:01, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
ArnabSaha, I've completed the review. The article is close to a good one but there is one major problem in that it is incomplete in a lot of aspects. I'm putting this on hold for the time being in order for them to be resolved There are also some other minor issues which should be easy to solve. Feel free to ask if you have any questions or concerns. Tayi Arajakate Talk 06:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


#### Assessment
Comprehension: The comprehension is adequate. Neutral

Verifiability: The article is mostly verifiable. Pass

Comprehensiveness: The article is comprehensive enough. Pass

Neutrality: The article adequately follows neutral point of view.  Pass

Stability: The article is stable. Pass

Illustration: The article is appropiately illustrated. Pass


#### Comments
The article needs some copyediting, there are grammatical mistakes here and there. Some of the references need fixing as well, they are missing authors or have auto-generated titles.
 Done.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  09:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Aviation Safety Network is a tertiary source, consider replacing it with secondary sources. The source itself provides citations for its material which could be use instead.
 Done. For Aircraft details, it can be considered as secondary.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:14, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
The citation for the third line under background states sufficient hours are required only for night.
 Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:14, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Ranganathan's concerns aren't adequately summarised in the second paragraph. It contains information which isn't present in the citation and doesn't have others which are.
 Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  19:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
The line regarding the airport being a tabletop runway could also be included in the first paragraph instead, the Hindustan Times and The Hindu citation contains information regarding this, it isn't attributed to Ranganathan.
 Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
The PIL belongs in aftermath and could be expanded upon.
 Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
The section concerning victims is incomplete. Some of them died later, and there are details surrounding about the victims. Sathe's state funeral should be included in this section as well.
 Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:08, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Compensation should be merged with victims, the two sections are very small and can be expanded to include a more detailed account of the victims and reporting around them.
 Done. Victim details were very limited.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:14, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
The article contains no information on the pilots association's response to the accident.
 Done.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  09:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
The last line under investigation is OR, please remove it and instead consider including concerns raised regarding the investigation itself, many of the citations report on it.
 Done.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Tayi Arajakate Talk 05:30, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tayi Arajakate. I have an issue with my PC for the last few weeks. I have ordered a replacement for the faulty component and its expected to reach in few days. Can you kindly extend the Holding Period? I find it very hard to edit in mobile.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
ArnabSaha, of course. I can extend it till the end of this month if you need time. Tayi Arajakate Talk 07:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Tayi Arajakate I have tried to solve the issues. Please check.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  19:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
ArnabSaha, I've gone through the article for a second time and I think most of the issues are fixed. The prose still needs some improvement but otherwise it more or less appears fulfills the good article criteria so I'm going to promote it. Good work on it and congratulations on the successful GAN! Tayi Arajakate Talk 08:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Tayi Arajakate thanks a lot   Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  09:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)