# Talk:Black Hebrew Israelites

Hello all,
I'd like to propose the inclusion of a well-sourced and balanced subsection in the article to address the growing body of historical, genetic, and cultural scholarship supporting connections between certain African-descended groups (e.g., Lemba, Igbo, African Americans) and ancient Israelites.
This would help distinguish between:
1. Peaceful, Torah-observant communities who identify as Israelites based on historical continuity, genetics, and biblical interpretation;
2. And more controversial or extremist sects, which the current article overemphasizes.
Here is a proposed draft to consider for integration (with sources to be properly formatted inline):
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Broader Historical and Cultural Context
Some individuals and communities of African descent identify as descendants of the ancient Israelites. This belief is rooted in interpretations of biblical prophecy, oral tradition, cultural continuity, and genetic research. These groups span multiple countries, traditions, and theological positions, and are not limited to a single doctrine or organization.


### Biblical Foundations
Verses like Deuteronomy 28:68 (reference to ships and captivity) and Isaiah 11:11 (gathering from Cush, Egypt, and "islands of the sea") are frequently cited as descriptions of the transatlantic slave trade and the African diaspora.


### Genetic Considerations
Research into haplogroups E1b1a and E1b1b (both part of haplogroup E, indigenous to Africa) has led some scholars to revisit the assumed genetic makeup of ancient Israelites. E1b1b has been found in ancient Levantine remains (e.g., Natufians), while E1b1a is predominant among West Africans and African Americans. The Lemba of Southern Africa—who claim priestly ancestry—were shown to carry Y-DNA markers associated with Jewish Cohanim [Spurdle & Jenkins, AJHG 1999].
A writer named James Africanus Beale Horton claims that Jews are "few" south of Sahara, Africa and Abyssinia, Africa. This implies that in the 1860's, the population of Black Jews was prevalent enough in Sahara, Africa and Abyssinia, Africa. (Horton, 1868, page 186-187).


### Pre-Colonial Israelite Traditions in Africa
Prior to missionary contact, several African groups—such as the Igbo, Ashanti, and Yoruba—practiced customs including circumcision, sabbath observance, and dietary laws consistent with Mosaic Law. Oral traditions claim descent from ancient Israelites, and in some regions, Hebrew loanwords and liturgical customs were present.


### Diversity of Practice
Not all Black Israelites are associated with street preaching or radical doctrines. Many groups focus on peaceful observance of Torah and self-identification based on cultural and ancestral memory. Notable differences exist between Messianic, non-Messianic, and Tanakh-only groups.


### Suggested Sources
- Parfitt, T. (2002). *The Lost Tribes of Israel*
- Bruder, E. (2008). *The Black Jews of Africa*
- Chireau, Y., & Deutsch, N. (2000). *Black Zion*
- Spurdle & Jenkins. AJHG (1999)
- Ogbukagu, K.C. *Traditional Igbo Beliefs and Practices*
- Horton, J. (1868) *West African Countries and Peoples, British and Native*
I believe this section will bring more balance to the article and better represent the full scope of belief and historical context around this topic.
Thanks for your time and consideration.
107.122.189.37 (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Why call them black? 76.137.30.102 (talk) 02:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

We name articles using the names that the reliable sources refer to them as. Further details are in WP:COMMONAME. DanielRigal (talk) 18:36, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
The other names are also mentioned in the lead. "Hebrew Israelites" "African Israelites" etc...JamieBrown2011 (talk) 08:59, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone know if Messianic Judaism is the same thing as BHI? JamieBrown2011 (talk) 06:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
No. BHI is its own thing, separate from MJ. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 18:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia would benefit from either an article or a section in this one about IUIC, which may be the largest current BHI group with membership of around 10,000, all over the globe. Which do others think would be best? I can add content but I haven't created a new page before so I would rather not make that start by myself. This article provides some basic referencable info: https://newreligiousmovements.org/i/israel-united-in-christ/ Yintov (talk) 10:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia Editors,
I would like to propose a revision to the terminology and representation used in the “Black Hebrew Israelites” article. The current title and content may inadvertently perpetuate misconceptions and overlook the diversity within these communities.
Terminology Concerns:
The term “Black Hebrew Israelites” is often used as an umbrella label, but it does not accurately reflect the self-identification of many within these communities. Many individuals prefer terms like “Hebrew Israelites,” “Israelites,” or “American Israelites,” emphasizing their spiritual and ancestral connection to the ancient Israelites. The current terminology may conflate distinct groups and overlook the nuances of their beliefs and practices.
Diversity Within the Movement:
The article could benefit from a more nuanced portrayal that acknowledges the diversity within these communities. While some groups have been associated with extremist views, many others focus on spiritual growth, community development, and cultural heritage. It’s important to distinguish between these groups to provide a balanced and accurate representation.
Historical and Cultural Context:
Including more context about the historical and cultural factors that have shaped these communities can enhance readers’ understanding. For instance, the emergence of these groups in the late 19th and early 20th centuries was influenced by various social and religious movements. Providing this background can help contextualize their beliefs and practices.
Recommendations:
Consider revising the article title to a more inclusive term, such as “Hebrew Israelites,” with appropriate disambiguation if necessary.
Expand the article to include sections that detail the diversity within these communities, highlighting differences in beliefs, practices, and organizational structures.
Incorporate historical and cultural context to provide a comprehensive understanding of the movement’s origins and evolution.

I believe these changes will contribute to a more accurate and respectful representation of these communities, aligning with Wikipedia’s commitment to neutrality and verifiability.
Thank you for considering this proposal.
Sincerely, 2600:4040:A25B:6B00:9D79:CFA1:E43:D59D (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

This group might warrant a mention, however they are based in Scotland, not in North America like most BHI groups are. They claim to be descended both from the Hebrews and from the Jacobites (who they claim were called that because of their descent from the biblical Jacob). Their leader also claims to be the Messiah and that the true Jerusalem is in Scotland. 174.229.176.24 (talk) 15:06, 3 September 2025 (UTC)