# Talk:12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam

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Some comments:

There is both TMI and not enough information in discussing the plenaries. There's too much focused on the opening remarks. For example, this sentence: Nguyễn Phú Trọng delivered the opening speech, and said that over the past year, the Politburo and the Secretariat had directed the Government Party Committee, other party committees and relevant agencies to urgently and seriously prepare schemes, reports and submissions to the 7th Plenary Session. It doesn't add very much because it's obvious that party committees and agencies would be submitting reports for the plenary. Another example: As CPV General Secretary, he instructed that 12th CC members should thoroughly consider the documents and proposals in the drafts. It's obvious that they should consider documents and proposals; that's their job as delegates. On the other hand, there isn't enough information on the substance of the meetings. For example, the "regulations on the enforcement of the Party's Charter and the regulations on party inspection, supervision and discipline" are discussed several times in the 4–7 July 2016 section, but there's no description of what those policies are. The discussion of wage reform is a good example of how you can incorporate substance better in other parts of the article.
Report and resolution names should probably be in quotes.
This is almost entirely cited to primary sources. Are there secondary sources discussing what occurred at each plenary?
Left some cleanup tags.
voorts (talk/contributions) 22:16, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much!
I haven't begun proper work on the "Analysis, interpretations and legacy" yet, but Western scholars and commentators (in the case of Vietnam) rarely comment on specific plenums. There has to be, in such a case, a lot of primary sources. This is due to the severe lack of transparency.
As for you're argument that it's both too detailed and lacks information, I can't really do that much because of, as I said before, the severe lack of transparency. I mean, compared to the Chinese and the Soviets, the Vietnamese are extremely transparent. As you understand from reading this article, that says a great deal!
As for everything else, thanks for copyediting the article :) I'll begin work on expanding the "Analysis, interpretations and legacy" section. My ambition is to turn this article and the 12th National Congress of the Communist Party of Vietnam to at least WP:GA and the lists (12th CC members, 12th CC alternates, 12th Politburo, 12th Secretariat, 12th Inspection and the 12th Central Military Commission=) into WP:FL. I want at least a GA topic status.
.... However, as you have discerned, its extremely difficult to write about communist institutions. They hold their cards close to their chest! TheUzbek (talk) 23:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: FenrisAureus (talk · contribs) 07:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello fellow traveller! I will be reviewing this nomination over the course of the next 14 days. If you have time, please consider reviewing an article at WP:GAN.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 20:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)


### GA review
Last updated: 20:45, 11 October 2025 (UTC) by Easternsahara 
See what the criteria are and what they are not
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All things flagged by Earwig seem to be false positives. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 09:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3) Broad in its coverage

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 4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each
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#### Comments:
Deepest apologies, fellow traveller. I have been trying but I just don't have the focus to review this article right now. Extenuating circumstances necessitate that I withdraw as reviewer. A bot will put the nomination back into the cue. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 12:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: TheUzbek (talk · contribs) 09:49, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Easternsahara (talk · contribs) 00:01, 29 September 2025 (UTC)


### Quickfail criteria
TheUzbek has 98% authorship
No copyright violations that I have picked up on as of yet. The bot detects some similarities but this is from the references section and proper nouns.
No maintenance tags
stable
no previous ga reviews, issues addressed for previous fa review
from the looks of it, seems like it meets and even exceeds all the criteria


### Prose
Done "It was elected by the 12th National Congress on 27 January 2016, and its electoral term lasted until the election of the 13th Central Committee on 31 January 2021 by the 13th National Congress. " → "It was elected by the 12th National Congress on 27 January 2016, and its electoral term lasted until the 13th National Congress's election of the 13th Central Committee on 31 January 2021."
Done "meetings that lasted" →"meetings which lasted"
"Done that began in 2013" the "that" should be turned into a "which" unless the 12th Central Committee ran multiple nationwide anti-corruption campaigns
Great! :) I will also be commenting on things that are not a part of the gan criteria so you have an easier time at fac
Done, I think Although this is not a part of the general criteria, you probably want to nominate this to Featured Article after this review, so per MOS:NUMNOTES comparable quantities near each other must be in the same format (spelled out or hindu arabic numerals). However, one should also not start a sentence with hindu arabic numerals per the same mos guideline, so "Seventeen out of the 180 members and three out of the twenty alternates were women" change the 180 to be spelled out. This may also mean that you would want to spell out the numbers for the entire paragraph, but that is up to you.
Done "11th term" link to 11th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam in both instances.
Done "10th and" link 10th  to 10th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam
Done "pro-Chinese" link to China–Vietnam relations?
Done "climate change" to Climate change in Vietnam
Done "socialist-oriented economy" to Socialist-oriented market economy
I have read it over a couple of times, and it seems that the prose flows well, the article is broad and focused. I may read it over again a couple more times to make sure there are no mistakes, but I will be passing those criteria for now.
There are an appropriate amount of images and they are captioned well with good alt text. Finding additional images may oversaturate the article with images.


### Sourcing
All sources seem to be archvied, though that is not a part of the GA criteria it is very helpful.
They all seem to be to reliable sources.
In March Airshipjungleman removed some sources, I didn't check if these sources were really not used so you may want to review that (although i suspect you already have). If you find them to be useful to the reader you may include it in a further reading section.
The sourcing is very extensive, and requires translation on my part, so it will likely take me some time to review, thank you for your patience.
Couldn't find anything bad in the GA criteria, go ahead and start the FAC now @TheUzbek:. You may also want to start a FLC on List of communist states. It is quite weird how such a good article, which clearly passes GAC was not reviewed for so long. Oh well, better late than never.
🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 00:01, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

... that the general secretary of the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam was older than the set retirement age of 65?

Reviewed:

Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 20:45, 11 October 2025 (UTC).

 Date of GA, various spotchecks - np, except the hook, which is one of the most mundane and boring I've seen here. Per WP:DYKINTEREST, a new hook or hooks need to be proposed. When replying here, please ping me. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:29, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
@Piotrus: ALT2: ... that the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam's "blazing furnace" disciplined over 53,000 government and party officials? from https://eastasiaforum.org/2020/06/03/vietnams-party-politics-back-on-centre-stage/ Can't believe I was about to miss out on such a good hook, playing on McCarthyism and all! User:Easternsaharareview  and this 01:23, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
Although I think this hook is too big, so I would prefer if blazing furnace was the bold link and that it linked to the 12th CC article User:Easternsaharareview  and this 01:31, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
 @Easternsahara: Now it's ok but it it would be very helpful if by the time this runs the Vietnamese concept of the blazing furnace was explained on English Wikipedia. Any chance you could add that topic to your to-do-soon list? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:05, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
Yes, I probably could, especially if I ask TheUzbek (editor who got this to GA) to help. Otherwise, I could also do it alone. The vietnamese article covers it fairly well and is not too long. User:Easternsaharareview  and this 03:12, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
 @Piotrus and Easternsahara: Hook seems to fail verification; according to the source, Under [Trong's] tenure, Vietnam has disciplined more than 53,000 government officials and party members. Since Trọng's tenure as General Secretary appears to predate the 12th Central Committee, I don't think this makes sense as a 12th CC hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:54, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
He was also the general secretary of the 12th CC so I think it does make sense to have this as a hook, and I think that it's indubitably the most interesting thing on this article. Also, I think the news article is quite clearly talking about the 12th CC because it was published in 2020, when the 12th CC was still in session and the article does not mention the 11th anywhere else. User:Easternsaharareview this 02:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)