# Talk:1984 European Cup final

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That it was revealed in 2011 that Roma bribed the referee isn't the best way of phrasing it, as it was alleged for a long time previously, though the only source I can find on it is this:
http://www.voicesinfootball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64
It isn't a new admission by Viola, he just repeated something that was already known, and having been so long ago, until someone interviews Vautrot, it can't be proven whether or not he took the bribe, or whether it influenced the match.  How can this be rephrased more accurately? 
Also, what actually are these Ponting and Liversedge books that are constantly referenced all over Liverpool-related? Wannabe rockstar (talk) 21:29, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, the books document the history of Liverpool FC. I don't really understand what you're asking, as the last bit doesn't make any sense. NapHit (talk) 10:27, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Pardon me, I meant to type "Liverpool-related articles."  The reason I bring it up is that it makes sense to use it to reference, for example, when a goal was scored, but "The opening passages of the match were tentative. Faced with a hostile atmosphere, Liverpool were content to sit back and frustrate Roma" is opinion.  The problem with using books as a reference, especially books that tell the story from one point of view, is that nobody can check up on the claims made without going out and buying the book. Wannabe rockstar (talk) 20:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, well!  As it happens, the entire Roma 3-0 Dundee United match is available on YouTube in 10 parts, starting here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLi_kkGImXQ
The commentary is in Italian (by Nando Martinelli), but the entire match is there.  I kept waiting and waiting for the referee to influence the match in Roma's favour, or to notice a pattern of inconsistent calls in Roma's favour, but there is absolutely nothing.  A brief summary of the match's 'incidents': 
4:00 of part 1, Dundee player is booked for a tackle from behind on Bruno Conti 
8:13 of part 1, Bruno Conti's goal is disallowed for offside, Roberto Pruzzo was in an offside position and the shot came close to his feet 
0:26 of part 3, Roberto Pruzzo scores for Roma 
9:39 of part 3, Francesco Graziani goes down in the box, free kick to Dundee for simulation 
7:30 of part 4, Roberto Pruzzo scores again for Roma 
10:19 of part 5, Cerezo appeals for a penalty, goal kick 
0:10 of part 6, Aldo Maldera booked, suspended for final 
10:10 of part 6, Roberto Pruzzo taken down by the goalkeeper as he rounds him, penalty converted by Agostino Di Bartolomei 
The referee had many chances to influence the match in Roma's favour but didn't.  He was strict, like most "continental" referees in the 80s, but extremely consistent.
I realize this is not a forum to discuss events, but as you'll note, I've removed the assertion that Dundee Utd disputed the penalty, because as the video shows, they didn't (and as I'm sure you'll agree upon seeing the video, they had nothing to dispute).  I think the line in the introduction should stay though, because it only reports the fact of the accusation, which is a significant one. Wannabe rockstar (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:05, 13 January 2012 (UTC). 

How does an article full of opinionated match description, grammatical errors and that uses tabloid papers and Liverpool fan publications for sources become a good article? WikiProject Football is run by a bunch of retired EPL fans who ensure that football-related articles read more like columns from Match magazine than encyclopedia articles. Wannabe rockstar (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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For the purpose of Wikipedia Johnston is English not Aussie as he played for England U21's.Statto74 (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Me again, I have reverted the flag from Australian to English as he played for England's U21's.Statto74 (talk) 12:04, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
It's been a while but I saw an Aussie flag and corrected it againStatto74 (talk) 15:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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