# Talk:2004 Pacific hurricane season

I'm going to have to wait for the end-of-year summaries to really flesh out this article. This basin just doesn't get the attention (and rightly so) that the Atlantic does. --Golbez 05:26, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

I'm waiting for a freak hurricane to slam into Los Angeles or San Diego. That'd get some attention. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:49, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
It's extremely unlikely that a hurricane would survive the crossing over the cold waters of the Pacific Current.  However, in 1997, Hurricane Nora crossed over the Baja California peninsula, and into the Gulf of California, hitting the mouth of the Colorado River and traveling northward along it (the California/Arizona border), and hitting Yuma (well inland) as a tropical storm.  Even after being downgraded to a depression, it downed hundreds of trees in southern Utah up around 10,000 feet (3000m) elevation (AMSL), because the top of the storm is going faster to begin with, and also spins down much more slowly because of the lack of friction with the land below.    –radiojon 00:45, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)
A tropical storm made landfall in the Long Beach area on September 25, 1939. It killed 45 people. [1]
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:29, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I moved the events section to its own article. I agree with Tom, once the season is over, the events section is better off on its own page. 
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 16:53, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Back when I created this page, I was the only one doing most of the work, so I only noted, well, notable storms. The other Pacific articles, however, now have blurbs on every storm, making this article very deficient. Does anyone want to flesh it out? --Golbez 21:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I will try to add tid-bits about the other storms...I also have some good pictures to use. Weatherman90 00:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Three months later and still nothin... --Golbez 15:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
It needs at least a one sentence description of every storm to be a start.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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This review is transcluded from Talk:2004 Pacific hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 21:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Will do. YE Pacific Hurricane 21:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Please address this as well, Talk:Hurricane_Katia/GA1 as this is your other GAN. YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Captain Obvious award. I know. I'm the one that nominated it. :) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The 2004 Pacific hurricane season was notable in that no tropical cyclone of at least tropical storm intensity affected land, an unusual occurrence." I have a couple problems with this. First, please avoid using terms like "notable"; see WP:PUFFERY. Second of all, technically speaking, this isn't true. Javier, Lester, Howard all affected land. I think you really mean "struck", which has a different meaning (occurs when tropical storm/hurricane-force winds are recorded over a given area). Hopefully this suffixes "The 2004 Pacific hurricane season saw no tropical cyclones strike land at tropical storm intensity or greater." YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant made landfall. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The season officially began on May 15 in the eastern Pacific, and on June 1 in the central Pacific; it officially ended in both basins on November 30. These dates conventionally delimit the period during each year when a majority of tropical cyclones form." source? YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Sourced. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
" In early August, the remnants of Hurricane Darby aided in localized heavy rainfall in Hawaii, causing minor street and stream flooding and damaging coffee and macadamia trees." there's four ands in one sentence here. YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Semicolon'd. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
"In early September, significant flooding across Baja California" Two things. The flooding was caused by whom? Donald Trump? "Baja California to "Baja California Peninsula" and wikilink it. The reason I say that is technically speaking (the NHC gets this wrong too) Baja California refers to the northern part of the peninsula. YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Damn Donald, back at it again ruining people's lives. Clarified and wikilinked. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk)
Will continue tonight. I need to find something. YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add SMN's predictions. I don't fault you for not including them since it's a new thing I found like 2 years ago.[2][3][4][5][6][7]. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Added. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
" Overall wind energy output was reflected with an ACE index value of 71 units." source? the MWR doesn't list any data points to calculate values, so I'd just slap the best track on there. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Slapped it real good. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"Anomalously strong mid-level ridging extending from the Atlantic to northern Mexico" stick a wikilink to ridge (meteorology) somewhere in here please. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Stuck. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Mind adding how active August/September/October weren based on info here? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
No need. I only mentioned June because there was a notable fact (first time since 1969 it was cyclone free). I already stated the remainder of the moths were also below average. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
"A nearly stationary trough stretched from the eastern Pacific into the eastern Caribbean Sea during mid-May." Pipe a link to monsoon trough here somewhere since that is what you are referring to in this instance. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Piped. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"while steadily organizing in a low wind shear regime" wikilink wind shear here. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Nope! Mentioned it before that sentence. Wikilinked that one. :) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The post-tropical cyclone drifted aimlessly before dissipating well south of Baja California on May 26." see my comment on BCP earlier. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Yessir. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"coalescing into a tropical depression at 12:00 UTC on July 2 well southwest of the southern tip of Baja California." I seei it here two, as well as twice in Blas's section, once in Frank's, once in Georgette's, and once in Javier's. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Ahhh. I think I got the relevant ones. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
", becoming Tropical Storm Celia at 12:00 UTC that same day and further strengthening into a Category 1 hurricane" on what scale? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
A magical one? Added. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
" as it entered the jurisdiction of the Central Pacific Hurricane Center." link CPHC please.
Easy peezy lemon squeezy. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"On its northwest track, a favorable environment regime prompted the cyclone to begin a period of rapid intensification," link rapid deepening please. Sorry if I'm being a pest with the links; you're a great writer, but we need some way to comply with the MOS and keep things simple for the so-called layman, and wikilinks, generally speaking, is the best way to do it. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
No problemo. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Why are inches/feet spelled out and miles/mph aren't? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I know that I wrote this, but I don't have an answer. :( Shortened. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"Although Isis did not result in significant damage or casualties, the World Meteorological Organization determined in 2015 that it would retire the name, deeming its usage inappropriate in light of the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (commonly referred to as ISIS).[29]" I'd move this to the storm names section, since it wasn't related to the actual storm. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Sentence, you're going on vacation! TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Do you mind switching a few instance of "12:00 UTC" to "at midday" or "18:00 UTC" to "during the evening"? It gets repetitive after a while. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Eh, I think being specific is best. The storm themselves are pretty repetitive so that's probably part of the problem. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"Cooler waters, strong southwesterly shear, and an eyewall replacement cycle all weakened Javier thereafter" link ERC to eyewall replacement cycle here. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Linky dinked. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
" the outer bands" since "outer bands" is sorta a technical term, maybe "outer fringes" would work better here? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Oooor I could link rainband. :) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The depression strengthened into Tropical Storm Kay twelve hours later, and it attained peak winds of 45 mph (75 km/h) at 12:00 UTC the next morning in accordance with satellite intensity estimates." Kay attained winds based on wind estimates? Maybe stick an "the NHC estimates that Kay" in there to clear things up a bit? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I tried something different, does the new version work? TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The low-level swirl curved southwestward and dissipated the next day.[36]" what direction was it moving originally? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Added. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I did some re-sorting to Lester's impact in it's article, so it might be a good idea to adjust accordingly here.
YOU DID WHAT?! Haha, I'll take a look. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
" interacted with a frontal system" what is a frontal system? Link/explain or was it the same trough you referred to above?
Linked to weather front. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Why is there only one system in the "other systems" category? Tbh, I'm not sure what it should be called when there's only one system in there. Maybe just a generic "Tropical Depression"? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I like that. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Ref #40 is a bare url. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I didn't add that section--it was added after I completed the article but before this GA review. Filled it up baby! TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The following names were used for named storms that formed in East Pacific in 2004. This is the same list used in the 1998 season. No names were retired by the World Meteorological Organization in the spring of 2005, therefore this list was re-used in the 2010 season." please source. I mean, this is an understandable error, especially given you haven't been too active lately. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Sourced. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
"For storms that form in the Central Pacific Hurricane Center's area of responsibility, encompassing the area between 140 degrees west and the International Date Line, all names are used in a series of four rotating lists. The next four names that were slated for use in 2004 are shown below, however none of them were used." ditto here. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Sourced. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
In the season effects table, change "California, Arizona" to "Western United States" for some consistency and change "Baja California" to "Baja California Peninsula"? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Changed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The writing is good, but there's a bunch of links needed for jagron and some stuff missing from the summary/predictions. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I'll address the rest of these comments this weekend. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Will do. YE Pacific Hurricane 21:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Please address this as well, Talk:Hurricane_Katia/GA1 as this is your other GAN. YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Captain Obvious award. I know. I'm the one that nominated it. :) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The 2004 Pacific hurricane season was notable in that no tropical cyclone of at least tropical storm intensity affected land, an unusual occurrence." I have a couple problems with this. First, please avoid using terms like "notable"; see WP:PUFFERY. Second of all, technically speaking, this isn't true. Javier, Lester, Howard all affected land. I think you really mean "struck", which has a different meaning (occurs when tropical storm/hurricane-force winds are recorded over a given area). Hopefully this suffixes "The 2004 Pacific hurricane season saw no tropical cyclones strike land at tropical storm intensity or greater." YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant made landfall. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The season officially began on May 15 in the eastern Pacific, and on June 1 in the central Pacific; it officially ended in both basins on November 30. These dates conventionally delimit the period during each year when a majority of tropical cyclones form." source? YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Sourced. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
" In early August, the remnants of Hurricane Darby aided in localized heavy rainfall in Hawaii, causing minor street and stream flooding and damaging coffee and macadamia trees." there's four ands in one sentence here. YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Semicolon'd. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
"In early September, significant flooding across Baja California" Two things. The flooding was caused by whom? Donald Trump? "Baja California to "Baja California Peninsula" and wikilink it. The reason I say that is technically speaking (the NHC gets this wrong too) Baja California refers to the northern part of the peninsula. YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Damn Donald, back at it again ruining people's lives. Clarified and wikilinked. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk)
Will continue tonight. I need to find something. YE Pacific Hurricane 22:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add SMN's predictions. I don't fault you for not including them since it's a new thing I found like 2 years ago.[8][9][10][11][12][13]. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Added. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
" Overall wind energy output was reflected with an ACE index value of 71 units." source? the MWR doesn't list any data points to calculate values, so I'd just slap the best track on there. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Slapped it real good. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"Anomalously strong mid-level ridging extending from the Atlantic to northern Mexico" stick a wikilink to ridge (meteorology) somewhere in here please. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Stuck. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Mind adding how active August/September/October weren based on info here? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
No need. I only mentioned June because there was a notable fact (first time since 1969 it was cyclone free). I already stated the remainder of the moths were also below average. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
"A nearly stationary trough stretched from the eastern Pacific into the eastern Caribbean Sea during mid-May." Pipe a link to monsoon trough here somewhere since that is what you are referring to in this instance. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Piped. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"while steadily organizing in a low wind shear regime" wikilink wind shear here. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Nope! Mentioned it before that sentence. Wikilinked that one. :) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The post-tropical cyclone drifted aimlessly before dissipating well south of Baja California on May 26." see my comment on BCP earlier. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Yessir. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"coalescing into a tropical depression at 12:00 UTC on July 2 well southwest of the southern tip of Baja California." I seei it here two, as well as twice in Blas's section, once in Frank's, once in Georgette's, and once in Javier's. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Ahhh. I think I got the relevant ones. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
", becoming Tropical Storm Celia at 12:00 UTC that same day and further strengthening into a Category 1 hurricane" on what scale? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
A magical one? Added. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
" as it entered the jurisdiction of the Central Pacific Hurricane Center." link CPHC please.
Easy peezy lemon squeezy. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"On its northwest track, a favorable environment regime prompted the cyclone to begin a period of rapid intensification," link rapid deepening please. Sorry if I'm being a pest with the links; you're a great writer, but we need some way to comply with the MOS and keep things simple for the so-called layman, and wikilinks, generally speaking, is the best way to do it. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
No problemo. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Why are inches/feet spelled out and miles/mph aren't? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I know that I wrote this, but I don't have an answer. :( Shortened. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"Although Isis did not result in significant damage or casualties, the World Meteorological Organization determined in 2015 that it would retire the name, deeming its usage inappropriate in light of the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (commonly referred to as ISIS).[29]" I'd move this to the storm names section, since it wasn't related to the actual storm. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Sentence, you're going on vacation! TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Do you mind switching a few instance of "12:00 UTC" to "at midday" or "18:00 UTC" to "during the evening"? It gets repetitive after a while. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Eh, I think being specific is best. The storm themselves are pretty repetitive so that's probably part of the problem. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"Cooler waters, strong southwesterly shear, and an eyewall replacement cycle all weakened Javier thereafter" link ERC to eyewall replacement cycle here. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Linky dinked. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
" the outer bands" since "outer bands" is sorta a technical term, maybe "outer fringes" would work better here? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Oooor I could link rainband. :) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The depression strengthened into Tropical Storm Kay twelve hours later, and it attained peak winds of 45 mph (75 km/h) at 12:00 UTC the next morning in accordance with satellite intensity estimates." Kay attained winds based on wind estimates? Maybe stick an "the NHC estimates that Kay" in there to clear things up a bit? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I tried something different, does the new version work? TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The low-level swirl curved southwestward and dissipated the next day.[36]" what direction was it moving originally? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Added. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I did some re-sorting to Lester's impact in it's article, so it might be a good idea to adjust accordingly here.
YOU DID WHAT?! Haha, I'll take a look. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
" interacted with a frontal system" what is a frontal system? Link/explain or was it the same trough you referred to above?
Linked to weather front. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Why is there only one system in the "other systems" category? Tbh, I'm not sure what it should be called when there's only one system in there. Maybe just a generic "Tropical Depression"? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I like that. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Ref #40 is a bare url. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I didn't add that section--it was added after I completed the article but before this GA review. Filled it up baby! TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
"The following names were used for named storms that formed in East Pacific in 2004. This is the same list used in the 1998 season. No names were retired by the World Meteorological Organization in the spring of 2005, therefore this list was re-used in the 2010 season." please source. I mean, this is an understandable error, especially given you haven't been too active lately. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Sourced. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
"For storms that form in the Central Pacific Hurricane Center's area of responsibility, encompassing the area between 140 degrees west and the International Date Line, all names are used in a series of four rotating lists. The next four names that were slated for use in 2004 are shown below, however none of them were used." ditto here. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Sourced. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
In the season effects table, change "California, Arizona" to "Western United States" for some consistency and change "Baja California" to "Baja California Peninsula"? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Changed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The writing is good, but there's a bunch of links needed for jagron and some stuff missing from the summary/predictions. YE Pacific Hurricane 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I'll address the rest of these comments this weekend. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Should Isis get an article because it was retired? Mitch199811 (talk) 19:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

No because Isis was retired for political reasons after the 2010 Season, rather than because of the 2004 system. It is also worth noting that the system was your classic fish spinner.Jason Rees (talk) 19:25, 22 November 2022 (UTC)