# Talk:9 (New York City Subway service)

Engine, Engine, number nine on the New York Transit Line?
Is that in relation to this 9?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.65.116.97 (talk • contribs) 18:21, October 26, 2006.
Yes and I was just about to post about this but saw you already did a long time ago.  It mentions this song on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_Engine_Number_9 but no reference to the MTA # 9 subway line that used to exist.  Both the subway and song's page should mention something about both but I'm not sure how to do it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:5:80D:0:0:0:B5 (talk) 17:39, 14 September 2016 (UTC) 

This review is transcluded from Talk:9 (New York City Subway service)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 09:53, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Starting GA review:

Lead is too short, does not adequately summarise the article's content. May be useful to mention some history of the service. (For instance, when it started, and when and why it was discontinued)
Needs some images for the history section (helpful to add in any available images showing the past '9' trains.
{{Re|ZKang123} There are no other images on Wikimedia Commons of the 9 train.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Probably more citations needed, or to make this part shorter:
A public hearing on the NYCTA's plan for skip-stop service was held on June 27, 1989. The goals of skip-stop service were to extend all trips to 242nd Street, to provide faster travel times for a majority of riders, and to improve service reliability through evenly loaded and spaced trains. During 1987 and 1988 analysis was conducted to determine various options for express service along the 1, including using the center express track. As part of the plan, express service was to operate weekdays between 6:30 a.m. and 7 p.m.. Trips that ended at 137th Street were extended to 242nd Street, which eliminated the need for a significant reduction in service levels at local stops. The 125th Street station, which is located south of 137th Street, would have experienced a reduction in service. The location of all-stop stations and skip-stop stations was done to evenly distribute passengers between the 1 and the 9, and to accommodate reverse commuting patterns. Stops with ridership greater than 8,000 daily passengers were designated all-stop stations, while less patronized stops were served by either 1 or 9 trains. One change was made from the 1988 plan–due to community input 181st Street was added as an all-stop station. Express service was expected to save up to 2.5 minutes of travel time, with an additional 2.5 minute reduction in waiting time at all-stop stations. This would save a minimum of six minutes, and a maximum of nine minutes or a 19% travel time reduction. Running express service via the center track was dismissed since it was not designed for express service. The track south of 145th Street is not long enough to allow an express train to pass a local, resulting in merging delays at 103rd Street which would eliminate any time saved. In addition, the busiest stops on the line north of 96th Street would be bypassed without any time savings. Extending all-local service to 242nd Street or adding additional trains were dismissed since they would require additional subway cars, which were not available at the time.
@ZKnag123: This information is all came from that one source, believe it or not. I see that as no reason to cut it back.
Final route section could be separated from the history section, as in for other similar articles on the route.
More work could be done before promoting this to GA.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:53, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

{{Re|ZKang123} Just saying more work could be done is not very helpful. Please specify any issues that need to be remedied. I will get to sources on the Dyre Avenue Line (1941–66) section as soon as I can. They can easily be found. Thanks.
@ZKang123: Due to Passover, I won't be able to do any editing from tonight until Thursday evening at the earliest. I am still committed to addressing your concerns with the article. Thanks for your patience and stay safe.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:15, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


### Status query
ZKang123, Kew Gardens 613, where does this nomination stand? It's been over two and a half months since the most recent posts here, and a similar length since the article was edited. ZKang123, if you're no longer interested in reviewing the article, I can find someone to take over; it is important that you specify the places where the article falls short of the GA criteria and what needs to be done so the article meets them. If any requested changes have yet to be done, then please mention them again if you are continuing the review yourself. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:34, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

i decided not to continue to review, but I kept forgetting to ask around for someone. In fact I dont know how to pass it on. Will be glad if someone bring this on. Thanks.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)￼


### Further review
I'll take this then @Kew Gardens 613 and BlueMoonset: comments being written now Kingsif (talk) 20:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Earwig check clear
History and talk page stable
Infobox, map and diagrams, and tables look good
One photo - commons licensed
Lead a good length. Perhaps it's the widescreen I'm using at the moment, but the paragraphs here each seem individually short? No suggestions/requests on this though
Sources generally reliable and mostly accessible - use of Flickr acceptable in context. No OR evident.
Everything besides the Dyre Avenue Line (1941–66) subsection and the skip-stop stations bullet list are cited inline
I was able to add refs to the first one, except for a statement that has a citation needed tag. The skip-stop bullet list has refs now as well, which I moved from another point in the page. epicgenius (talk) 16:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@Kingsif: I added citations, which should fix the issue.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Prose:
For between Dyre Avenue and the East 180th Street, should it just be "and East 180th Street" (or "and the East 180th Street line")?
The former. epicgenius (talk) 16:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikilink skip-stop at first mention
Done. epicgenius (talk) 16:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
In As part of the study that resulted in the skip-stop plan, the NYCTA studied using the center track for express service, I think it would read better and sound more accurate as "the NYCTA used the center track for study for express service"
This changes the meaning of the sentence. The NYCTA was examining whether to use the center track for express service. The study itself didn't take place on the center track. epicgenius (talk) 16:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: Oh I see, I was just trying to avoid repeating 'study'. Kingsif (talk) 20:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The conclusion to this part, settled on skip-stop service because the center track does not extend for the whole line, doesn't seem to follow from the reason? Could you explain this study and decision a bit more for clarity?
I clarified a bit. epicgenius (talk) 16:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 On hold Kingsif (talk) 20:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Kingsif, Kew Gardens 613, where does this stand? It's been 20 days since this was placed on hold, and only one minor edit has been made, which itself introduced a capitalization error. Nothing has been posted here. If progress isn't made by the end of the month, perhaps this should be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:30, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
I agree, will close if no response from Kew soon. Kingsif (talk) 18:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
@Kingsif: Since KG hasn't responded, I have resolved the above comments. I think we should also ping Kew Gardens 613. epicgenius (talk) 16:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 Thanks to these edits from KG and epicgenius, the article seems to meet requirements. Thanks and good luck, guys. Kingsif (talk) 18:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)