# Talk:Al Williamson

Okay, now, Al Williamson is a brilliant artist, and I cringe at the thought of giving him grief.  But we really need to note his birth name (“Alfonso”) in this article, even if he doesn't care for it.  So I'm going to note it here and then flee from the problem. —SlamDiego←T 01:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, but where did you find that information? If we give a footnote citation, then I think it stays since it's encyclopedic --72.89.116.90 (talk) 22:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Long and short:

For living people we are not supposed to be using non-free images except in a very few specific cases. Scans of comic strips generally are not free to use without a fair use rationale.
If art is used with a contemporary person using something that is "based on" the person's appearance isn't good enough. It should be an actual portrait or self portrait.
- J Greb (talk) 11:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I think it's sort of counter intuitive though to leave the infobox without an image of the person - people sort of expect one - unless it's JD Salinger or Thomas Pynchon, some sort of image is kind of expected - witness the many attempts to have one here.  In general, there's been good work in providing free image photos for living cartoonists, so if there isn't one for Williamson, then it's probably because there aren't any readily availible as he stopped going to conventions a little before Wikipedia's time. So far Williamson has not expressed any problems with the images.
There are a few good self-portraits available, I don't see any problem of including a low-res, cropped scan of one of those.
--Scott Free (talk) 17:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

That's one of the stumbling blocks when dealing with biographies of living people here - we're limited in the circumstances where non-free images are acceptable. Cases such as Salinger or Pynchon, where the person is/was a recluse or shuns photography/publicity through out their life, are one of the examples held up as an exception for "free use image only".
In Williamson's case, and IIRC the previous runs at this, he stepped out of the public view in 2000. Prior to that he did do the convention circuit so there is the possibility of a free use image kicking around. Since his notability really isn't linked to his appearance, a free photo from 1999 is a good as one from 1979 or 1959.
If the article is still without a free image when BLP no longer applies, using a true portrait or a promotional photo becomes an option. The rub being that even then the non-free image can/will be replaced if a free use one becomes available.
- J Greb (talk) 17:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
What do you mean by "stretch"? Pepso2 (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Creating a colage of non-free images and slapping an "I release this" on it simply to get an image placed. - J Greb (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Okay. will fix. Pepso2 (talk) 19:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

CBR saying "the news broke on Twitter" does not meet the threshold of a reliable source. CBR doesn't even say WHO on Twitter claimed this. Death rumors fly around constantly on the 'net. It may be true. Or it may be the latest in a long line of false reports about prominent individuals' deaths, reports we've all seen at one time or another. Twitter is NOT a news source. It's a lead, and verified Twitter accounts are a source of quotes, if properly identified. But Twitter is not a news source. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Robert Greenberger at ComicMix.com is reporting it now, though Mark Evanier is being cautious here. Greenberger, as a longtime comics writer-editor and a journalist, would seem to be a reliable source. --Tenebrae (talk) 04:28, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
MTV News is saying they're hearing it via Twitter feed, but can't pin down a source. Mark Evanier has an obit up, but doesn't give a date -- I'm hearing from Pepso2 it may actually have happened June 12.--Tenebrae (talk) 14:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
It's worth noting that no obits for Al Williamson have run yet at [PennLive.com: Obituaries], a centralized repository of Pennsylvania newspaper. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Further Reading - The notion behind this section is that it lists the six career retrospectives referred to in the main text as per consensus established during GA evaluation.  I suggest leaving it like this for now.  Of course anyone can change this, but I suggest waiting until the commotion dies down a bit, before making significant changes to the GA version.--Scott Free (talk) 21:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Found this - press release, family approved - 
http://fleskpublications.com/blog/?p=342
--Scott Free (talk) 21:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Here's a good obit article - http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/al_williamson_1931_2010/--Scott Free (talk) 21:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The NY Times finally published an obit. Pretty nice. Why hasn't the LA Times done anything? 
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/arts/design/21williamson.html
--Scott Free (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Here's Bill Stout's memento - http://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/?p=405
--Scott Free (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Again, my compliments. Good hunting. --Tenebrae (talk)

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