# Talk:1992 European Community Monitor Mission helicopter shootdown

What could he have possibly been charged with? His actions are legally sound. Aadieu (talk) 19:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
The attack on a civilian aircraft may have constituted a war crime. Opbeith (talk) 09:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Only a deliberate attack. I never saw any evidence he knew the aircraft he was shooting at was a civilian one. GregorB (talk) 10:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
That aside, what's with the article making a point of identifying seemingly every Croat in the Yugoslav National army, mentioning the other pilot who had nothing to do with the incident itself (but who was a Croat), and then failing to mention the nationality of the person who apparently ordered the attack -> Lt. Col. Opačić. Sorry, but this reeks of bias to me.
Zlopseto (talk) 08:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

It's the narrative from the sources. Try reading them, and possibly find others that present a different narrative? Apparently this was a power struggle within JNA. The accusation against Opačić wasn't attributed to it, but if you find a source that says he's a Serb (presumably), and that that is relevant to this, add it in. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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The Italian article is formal, it is an AB-205, not an AB-206. This is confirmed in the biography of the French officer killed. L'amateur d'aéroplanes (talk) 08:05, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

There are now several references that confirm that the shot-down helicopter was an Agusta-built Bell 205A (ie AB205A), registered MM80557 with the Aviazione dell'Esercito (Italian Army aviation). My guess is that the external marking or radio callsign might have been "EC305" (adapted from its former Army code) or "EM-2". Later, Bell 205 / AB205 examples were widely used by UN peacekeeping forces in other conflicts. The second helicopter was an AB206A (not AB206L), identity (registration) not yet traced, pilot Lieutenant Renato Barbafiera. Here are some relevant links: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccidio_di_Podrute https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_Venturini (Italian pilot victim), https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_d%27observation_en_Yougoslavie https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/161484 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Loup_Eychenne (French victim). The Italian Wikipedia article discussion suggests a title change away from a "disaster"; For English Wikipedia, I suggest "1992 Podrute ECMM AB205 shootdown" as a more concise and detailed replacement for the over-long title here. Italian speakers please take this forward. PeterWD (talk) 09:51, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
Gosh, that would be a horribly non-descriptive title. Even if the name of the ECMM is long, as an acronym it would not be recognizable at all by the average reader. Podrute likewise, it's a small village that nobody would recognize even locally, let alone in a global audience. And only aviation enthusiasts would recognize the model number of the aircraft. Please see WP:CRITERIA and WP:NDESC for more information.
Fundamentally, the reason this event is notable is because of the impact on that war, and the article name should reflect that, not incident minutiae. --Joy (talk) 11:23, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
In the main Italian article, the editors there seem to only take issue with the "Eccidio" (massacre) element of the title "Eccidio di Podrute". My suggestion simply reflects typical forms of article titles here of aircraft accidents and incidents. BTW, my reading of the account makes me think that Renato Barbafiera was one person who took a particularly heroic action, and pleasing that he got some recognition for that.PeterWD (talk) 13:01, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
I suppose there's no problem to change "downing" to "shootdown", that seems common elsewhere.
@Tomobe03, @User:Sturmvogel 66, when you were last reviewing this article content for GA status, what did you think about the title? --Joy (talk) 13:08, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
Downing is euphemistic like passing in lieu of dying. Let's be plain-spoken about it and call it a shootdown like it was.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:22, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
@Joy @Sturmvogel 66 I agree with the proposed change Tomobe03 (talk) 16:02, 7 July 2025 (UTC)