# Talk:A Certain Magical Index

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Just curious, why To Aru and not Toaru? I thought Toaru was one word. - 29dupe 12:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it is. The particle to is distinct from the word aru, but together they for a Pre-Noun Adjectival and have a new meaning. I haven't been able to verify this for certain anywhere; unable to find an example of it written out in romaji. But with kanji used it becomes と或る, which suggests it would be written separated. (Better yet, they could select an official English title, and we could move the page to that.) Doceirias 22:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I see, thank you. Making redirect from Toaru Majutsu no Index is better idea for now then. - 29dupe 09:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
"Toaru" has a single dictionary definition [1]. Putting the particle "to" in front of "aru" doesn't make sense anyway, so we can clearly see that it's not that. Japanese doesn't use spaces, so adding it is left to the discretion of whoever's doing the romanization. —Tokek (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
The dictionaries I've consulted list と或る as a single entry, even though と is indeed a particle here. Writing it as "to aru" gives the impression that "aru" is the familiar verb "to exist", which it clearly is not, and is deceptive. It should also be noted that Japanese does not follow Western concepts of word breaks, so the distinction "to aru/toaru" is somewhat arbitrary; the fact that it begins with a kana followed by a kanji means little. For these reasons I personally would prefer to see the deceptive "to aru" decision reversed, especially as just about everywhere else uses "toaru" — in other words, in Google searches, Wikipedia's entry is the one that never shows up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.160.84.28 (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 
'which it clearly is not':  In what way?  If I understand correctly, To Aru [Magical Index] means 'A Certain Magical Index' because it literally means 'An existing Magical Index'.  Perhaps one might say that the To makes it a 'A Magical Index which exists' rather than 'Existing Magical Index', but that's exceeding the bounds of my familiarity slightly.  Though it is only my personal impression, writing Toaru gives the impression that a separate verb Toaru (like Tooru) exists, whereas 'To' seems to still strongly hold its place as a particle.  ...for another case of To not being used to mean 'and' directly, perhaps consider cases such as 'Konna koto ga atta to ha omowanakatta...' and the like.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.92 (talk) 22:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC) 

Because it's the rentaishi 或る, not the verb 在（有）る. --67.148.122.18 (talk) 01:40, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
A further note, about Google searches mentioned:  '"Toaru Majutsu no Index"' gives about three million results while '"To Aru Majutsu no Index" -Toaru' gives about 26 million results, and '"To Aru Majutsu no Index"' alone gives the Toaru results as well with about 28 million results total.  It's definitely searching by Toaru rather than To Aru that is the problem then, isn't it...?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.92 (talk) 22:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC) 

Shoudln't it be mentioned somewhere that the actual japanese reads To Aru Majutsu no Kinsho Mokuroku? --81.241.26.148 (talk) 11:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

That's always a question with titles like this - I believe the standard is to follow the furigana given, regardless of what the kanji say. Doceirias (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
The kanji is pronounced however the author intends them to be pronounced ; in this case, 禁書目録 is pronounced インデックス. 99.238.5.183 (talk) 17:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
It's probably sufficient that the kanji are provided, since those curious about their literal meaning can then look them up directly.  A note about that literal meaning ('Forbidden Catalogue'?) probably wouldn't hurt, granted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.92 (talk) 22:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The original soundtrack (click on the cover image) implies that the series's proper name is Index Librorum Prohibitorum [note that the Japanese name for the Index is "禁書目録" (Kinsho Mokuroku), meaning "とある魔術の禁書目録" can be translated as "A Certain Index Librorum Prohibitorum of Magic"]. Anyway, my point is, should the page be moved or adjusted in any way?--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 06:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe so. The primary media is the light novels, and those are only known by the name To Aru Majutsu no Index. No one is going to try searching for this series with "Index Librorum Prohibitorum", especially since it's already an actual thing. I believe common name also has something to say about this.--十八 08:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
That's not the series title - like you sort of suggest, it's the main character's full name. Doceirias (talk) 03:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

When the To Aru Kagaku no Railgun article is created on Wikipedia, should all references to it on this article be removed, or should links be attached?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.204.62.148 (talk • contribs) 

I'm not entirely sure the series deserves another article, as it's just a spin-off series, and is very closely tied to this one.--十八 21:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
So far in the manga the storyline diverges from the plot of To Aru Majutsu no Index. It focuses on the ties between Misaka, Kuroko, Saten and Uiharu and includes many characters who don't appear in To Aru Majutsu no Index. Magic, and the Church, which both play major roles in the plot of To Aru Majutsu no Index, has not appeared either. Thus I feel that it deserves its own article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.10.165 (talk) 20:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC) 

It's a spin-off series, but exists within it's own time frame; it's part of the franchise. It can be covered here, but episode or character lists might conceivable get their own articles. Doceirias (talk) 23:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I think Toaru Kagaku no Railgun (Anime) need to be an individual article. I've watched each episode of it, and found that its connection to Toaru Majutsu no Index is minor, and quite different to the same titled Manga. "Railgun" and "Index" do share a few characters, and both happen in the same city, but from an Anime fan's perspective, it is not feasible to merge Toaru Kagaku no Railgun (Anime) to this article. VirtBM (talk)  18:07, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

It would go against general convention from WP:ANIME to create an article just for the anime. If another article was crated, it would be manga-centric since the Railgun manga came first. But really, there's no reason to do either of that, since all the info can (and is) easily explained in this article. Spin-offs rarely ever get their own articles, and Railgun is no exception.--十八 23:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Not only that, but if you pay close attention, events line up between the two series. Railgun moves slower, filling in the gaps between Index's science-side arcs with Mikoto's escapades. The Railgun manga is currently finishing up the Sisters arc, the third arc of Index (currently, they're on the 9th arc of the Index anime), and the Railgun anime didn't even reach there. However, it's clear that both are in the same timeline, and events from Index (like the destruction of Tree Diagram) influence Railgun (Kiyama Harumi was unable to get computation time on Tree Diagram because it no longer existed), and so here they should share the same article. Of course, on the Toaru-specific wiki, they have separate articles for everything, but I can't see why Wikipedia would need to split them up. CarVac (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I think it's quite necessary to separate Toaru Kagaku no Railgun from this article. Though as a spin-off, the railgun series keeps a good independence from the index series. Except some same characters, the scenario are different. Further more, we shouldn't only focus on the English version of this article only. We must refer to versions of other languages, especially the Japanese one. In the Japanese, Chinese, Italian, German, Russian versions of the railgun series, all the articles of railgun series are separated from the index series. So you not should decide whether they should be separated too subjectively without considering the real condition. I strongly advise that it is necessary to separate this article into two, one remanis under the names of Toaru Majutsu no Index or A Certain Magical Index and Toaru Kagaku no Railgun or A Certain Scientific Railgun.
---aronlee90  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aronlee90 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 27 February 2011 (UTC) 

Do not forget that this is the English Wikipedia, and we have different (and often more strict) guidelines to follow compared to other Wikis (especially the Japanese wiki). There simply is not enough information about Railgun to warrant a split. If it were split, you'd only get a stub article, so there's no need.--十八 23:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Article Split - "Railgun" is now confirmed to be getting a 2nd season, and has it's own manga with 50+ volumes. I think it would be time to strongly re-consider an article split from "Magical Index". It will just be more work if it is done after the next series is out. 24.11.146.90 (talk) 11:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I still disagree with this. The info for Railgun's first anime series is already easily written into the current anime section, and adding a few extra sentences for the second season is not going to automatically warrant a split. There is simply not enough information about Railgun for it to have a substantial article. Railgun already has a separate chapter list and episode list, so splitting it would only result in a very short article. And then there's the fact that there is a crossover Index & Railgun game coming out soon, so it makes sense to keep it all in one place.--十八 22:33, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that Imagine Breaker only has the power to disable supernatural things, it is also capable of defensing explosions, etc. which has been shown many times in both the animes (main and side-story). Hence the sub-section Imagine Breaker should be modified. -30/Dec/09-21:28(IST)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.20.121 (talk) 15:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC) 

The novels state several times that it negates magic, psychic, and divine powers. Any explosions he negates are powered by one of those, rather than gunpowder. Doceirias (talk) 16:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually the first novel states that while he can guard against an esper's fireball, and its explosion, he cannot guard against shrapnel caused by said explosion. CarVac (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

In terms of anime, has there been any indication that the anime of Toaru Kagaku no Railgun has been titled A Certain Scientific Railgun for its english release (as only the manga has been confirmed for such a name change). Wonchop (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Even if it hasn't, it's not difficult to extend the translated title to the anime as well.--十八 21:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
In a related query, since Funimation have licensed the Index anime under the name, 'A Certain Magical Index', should we change the other articles as suit or just leave it as 'Toaru'? Bearing in mind that pretty much noone licenses light novels much these days. Wonchop (talk) 21:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess it'd make sense to just change them all to the English title.--十八 22:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Since we normally use the English title anyway, I was wondering why the article is at "Toaru Majutsu no Index" rather than "A Certain Magical Index" (which is its English translation anyway). But before moving, we should probably first have a move discussion like the one above. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

ok just asking but how did anyone count 25 volumes in the original light novel series??
no matter how i count it's just 22, even with the 2 ss it's only 24? ..::Gradient93::.. 22:13, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

The single SP volume is also counted, as it is a compilation of various short stories.--十八 05:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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The Kazuma Kamachi link redirects here. Shouldn't it be high time for the author to get his own article page instead of a redirect? You know, since he has works other than Index.---125.60.240.201 (talk) 16:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

The introduction is full of dates and numbers, it should be simply saying what this is, maybe can move these facts elsewhere where they can be formatted a bit nicer.

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Right now this term redirects here, but I think it might be notable on its own. Of course, we can't rely on wikia ([10]) but the term has been used in official Crunchroll materials [11]/[12]. Overall we need a disambig at least, and preferably an article, that discusses this entire franchise. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Raildex is a fan-made term, and it shouldn't be used by Wikipedia. Not to mention that it is now exclusionary, since the creation of A Certain Scientific Accelerator. If anything, A Certain Magical Index (series) or A Certain Magical Index (franchise) would suffice for the whole franchise. We already use List of A Certain Magical Index characters for all of the characters in the three separate series.--十八 08:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
The official name of the franchise in Japan is the Toaru Project. What Japanese Wikipedia does is have a navbox for pages related to the franchise. That, at least, might be useful. Sandtalon (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Toaru Project or Index (franchise) might be a more neutral term, but I agree that it should have an overview article, same with Fate/Nasuverse, which currently is split between Fate (disambiguation) and Type-Moon without a good overview or introduction to the topic. This article doesnt do a great job, and plenty of (live action) franchises do have similar articles. — jonas (talk) 17:36, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Tintor2 (talk · contribs) 16:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll review this article.Tintor2 (talk) 16:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The article looks pretty good but there is some stuff that I think needs to be revised.
Lead
Can the ability of Toma be explored? Why is it so weird in the setting?
Done
Based on the infobox, the light novels already ended so the final date could be added. If a sequel is still being published then it's also worth writing there.
Added
Infobox
Since there are way too many forms of sequels and adaptations I suggest using the "collapsed infobox section begin" like in Code Geass or Darker than Blood to avoid conflict between the infobox and prose.
Collapsed
Plot is easy understand
Development
I don't think the release subsection is needed based on the length.
I removed the subheading, although I do feel the information in it is worth stating in the article.
Video games
Arcade is too small. Think of the formal writing of an article like a formal letter when each paragraph is well balanced.
Combined with another section.
Critical reception
Same as other sections. There is no need to make so many subsection with that content.
Same as above
@Link20XX: Other than that, the article is easy to understand. Revise this and I'll gladly pass it.Tintor2 (talk) 18:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@Tintor2: See above. Link20XX (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Nice work. The article now feels easier to read especially with the infobox focusing on the first work.Tintor2 (talk) 22:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I was wondering if we could make a redirect for the sequel series New Testament and Genesis Testament? Rando876 (talk) 19:14, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

I propose that the anime section be split into its own article named A Certain Magical Index (TV series). Due to this series having wide recognition, the content of the section is only marginally related to the main article, and this section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page. 184.146.187.43 (talk) 01:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

There is nothing to split from this page. If you want to make an article on the anime and you can prove it's independently notable, then you can feel free to go for it. However, I am removing the split notice as it wouldn't involve removing any content from here, and therefore there is nothing to discuss. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:50, 5 August 2025 (UTC)