# Talk:Angel in Realtime

This review is transcluded from Talk:Angel in Realtime/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:46, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

 
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a. (prose, spelling, and grammar): 

b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): 

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a. (reference section): 

b. (citations to reliable sources): 

c. (OR): 

d. (copyvio and plagiarism): 

It is broad in its coverage.
a. (major aspects): 

b. (focused): 

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias: 

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.: 

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): 

b. (appropriate use with suitable captions): 

Overall:
Pass/fail: 

(Criteria marked  are unassessed)
This will run over the course of two days! --K. Peake 08:46, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


### Infobox and lead
Use bullet points instead of hlist per Template:Infobox song
None of the genres are directly sourced in the body
Add the ref(s) in the lead to support the album being stylized as such
"the record lyrically focuses" → "the album lyrically focuses"
"Therefore, Angel in Realtime makes consistent usage" → "Therefore, it consistently uses"
The Indigenous music is not sourced as being choirs
The sonic departure is not sourced either
"Nominated for Album of the Year, Best Group" → "It was nominated for Album of the Year, Best Group" moving this to the last sentence of the second para
"it won Australian Album of the Year" → "while winning Australian Album of the Year"
"by many critics, particularly for its" → "by many critics, who particularly praised its"
"with multiple outlets citing it as the band's" → "Multiple outlets recognized the band's" starting a new sentence at this point
"issue with its length and" → "issue with the length and"
"It appeared on" → "Angel in Realtime appeared on" and list publications this includes
"The record was preceded" → "Angel in Realtime was preceded"
"from their 2021 EP Total Serene." → "from Gang of Youths' second EP, Total Serene (2021)."
"while single "In the Wake of Your Leave"" → "while the third single "In the Wake of Your Leave"" plus this ranking needs to be sourced in the body
"as part of the Immolation Tape EP (2022)." → ""as part of the band's following EP, Immolation Tape (2022).""


### Background
"the band relocated to" → "Gang of Youths relocated to"
Remove overly obvious wikilink on London
Where is this being a surprise to his family sourced exactly?
"as Teleso had always" → "as Le'aupepe had always"
Remove overly obvious wikilink on New Zealand
Ditto for Sydney
"David and his wife" → "David Le'aupepe and his wife" per MOS:SAMESURNAME
Wikilink piano ballad per MOS:LINK2SECT
"In 2020," → "The following year,"
Remove the comma after EP
Pipe ARIA Singles Chart to ARIA Charts
Apart from the chart position, none of the last four sentences have any info sourced
"from the band since" → "from Gang of Youths since their second studio album"


### Composition
#### Production and recording
Remove wikilink on London
The production on two tracks by the duo is not sourced
"Katis had mixed the band's" → "Katis had mixed their"
"the rest of the band" → "the other band members"
"from Fanshawe's wife to use" → "from David's wife to use"
None of the info for "The Man Himself" is sourced
Remove overly obvious wikilink on Auckland
Audio samples look good, apart from the voices interpolation and all "Spirit Boy" comp are not sourced anywhere
None of the last para is sourced


#### Lyricism
"Lyrically, a number of tracks" → "Lyrically, many of the tracks"
The only vocals and piano part is not sourced
"Tracks like "In the Wake of Your Leave" more broadly discuss" → ""In the Wake of Your Leave" more broadly discusses" per the source
"Le'aupepe said "I wanted" → "Le'aupepe said: "I wanted"
Remove overly obvious wikilink on New York City
"the frontman explained "it’s called “returner” because" → "the frontman explained, "It's called 'returner' because" per the source
"fucking yield returns"." → "fucking yield returns."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences


### Release and promotion
"the band performed" → "Gang of Youths performed"
"Upon the album's release on" → "Upon the release of Angel in Realtime on"
Remove pipe on ARIA Albums and decapitalize chart
"their second release to do so." → "becoming the band's second release to do so."
Shouldn't you also mention the top 10 positions in the UK and Scotland?
"The band issued a limited edition" → "They issued a limited edition"
Wikilink 7" vinyl per MOS:LINK2SECT
The re-recordings are not sourced
"Further, Gang of Youths" → "Furthermore, Gang of Youths"
"On 5 August, the band" → "On 5 August 2022, the band"


### Tour
Img looks good!
"The band embarked on" → "Gang of Youths embarked on"
October to November postponement is not sourced
The acoustic quote is not sourced
Specify that he is the Australian prime minister
Remove overly obvious wikilinks on North America and Europe
Place [47] solely at the end of the sentence
Remove or replace The Lantern per WP:RSSM
"called their Perth show" → "called the band's Perth show"
Add the appropriate ref(s) to the table


### Critical reception
"Metacritic, which assigns a" → "At Metacritic, which assigns a"
"awarded the album a score of 76 based on 10 reviews," → "the album received a score of 76 based on 10 reviews." per the generally favorable part sounding like a contradiction
"calling it "deeply personal" → "noting it as "deeply personal"
"of love and life"." → "of love and life."" per MOS:QUOTE
"was the band's best work – Corbin Reiff" → "was the band's best work; Corbin Reiff"
"best record yet – one that" → "best record yet ... one that"
"however praised its presentation," → "however praised the presentation,"


#### Accolades
Shouldn't you write a summarization of these in prose, i.e. mentioning it was ranked among year-end lists and some of the high ones?
Appearances on year-end lists → Year-end lists for Angel in Realtime
Double J should not be italicised
Ditto for Sputnikmusic


### Track listing
Shouldn't you write "samples from" and "a sample from" instead?


### Personnel
I don't think Anuanuraro should be linked


### Charts
#### Weekly charts
Good


#### Year-end charts
Year-end chart performance for Angel in Realtime → 2022 year-end chart performance for Angel in Realtime


### Release history
Cols should not be centered
Format → Format(s)
Label → Label(s)
Separate labels in the same way as formats
Add the appropriate refs


### References
Copyvio score looks pretty good at 36.3%!
Only keep the publisher for refs 1, 2, 7, 9, 11, 29, 30, 32, 35, 39, 42 and 50
Cite NPR as publisher instead on ref 3
Pipe The Telegraph to The Daily Telegraph on ref 4
Remove or replace ref 6 per WP:SELFPUB
Wikilink NME on ref 8 instead of ref 31
What makes ref 14 a reliable source?
I am not too sure about Deepest Sighs for refs 17 and 44; only two people appear to be staff
Pipe Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on ref 19
Wikilink Uproxx on ref 20 instead of ref 34
Cite Junkee as publisher instead on ref 22 with the wikilink
What makes ref 24 a reliable source?
Remove or replace ref 25 since it has only one member of staff from what I can see and is informal
Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 26 and 27
Cite ARIA Charts as publisher instead on ref 36
Remove or replace ref 37 since Discogs is unreliable
Remove or replace ref 48 per WP:RSSM
Cite AllMusic as publisher instead on ref 52
Ref 56 is a duplicate of ref 23
Only cite Double J on ref 58 and as publisher instead
WP:OVERLINK of Exclaim! on ref 60
Cite Sputnikmusic as publisher instead on ref 63


### Final comments and verdict
 On hold until all of the issues are fixed; the sources seem to be what is most dragging this down. --K. Peake 22:00, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Kyle Peake, thanks for the feedback! I've almost finished incorporating your notes. Just two questions:
You mention "appropriate refs" should be cited in the Release History table – what references belong there if Discogs is not recognised as a reliable source? I can't find many other sources that mention the album's various release formats and catalogue numbers.
Secondly, as for this article in which you questioned its reliability, I personally believe it is strong enough of a source to back up the information it is supporting as it is an established magazine – can this unreliability claim be reconsidered or should it definitely be removed?
Thanks! Marcostev88 (talk) 09:37, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
That article will be acceptable, however see Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources to understand why Discogs is not allowed. As for appropriate refs, I meant add citations and yes they need to be reliable, but remove the release history table if you cannot sourced enough dates for one from these. K. Peake 10:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Kyle Peake, I believe by considering all your feedback, I have satisfied the GA criteria for this article. Is there any chance of getting the final result? Thanks! Marcostev88 (talk) 10:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Marcosteve88 You still need to remove chamber pop and Britpop from the infobox since those are only elements, add their second studio album at the since part of background, mention the top 10 positions in prose and change the year-end charts caption. --K. Peake 11:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Kyle Peake, sorry I didn't see this message earlier. I believe all these changes have now been made. Thanks Marcostev88 (talk) 09:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Marcostev88 You still need to write the positions out in prose, elsewise this looks good and it was my fault for not using the correct username mention, apologies. --K. Peake 10:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
@Kyle Peake Done, thanks! Marcostev88 (talk) 02:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 Pass now, no issues actually remain even though I had to copyedit one sentence! --K. Peake 07:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for conducting the review and for the feedback! And sorry about hassle with the copyediting :)
Cheers! Marcostev88 (talk) 08:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)