# Talk:American Airlines Flight 191

"The Western crash, however, was due to low visibility and an attempt to land on a closed runway, through, reportedly, confusion of its crew." 47.14.77.193 (talk) 09:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

"However, instead of any structural issues with the DC-10, the contributing factors to the Western crash were low visibility, and attempting to land on a closed runway, due to reported crew confusion."
Skimming the linked article, visibility was zero, and the crew was expected to perform a sidestep maneuver (aim at runway A, then scoot sideways to land on parallel runway B). The crew didn't realize they had to do this, but realized something was wrong; they tried to go-around but one of their landing gear hit a fully loaded dump truck parked on the closed runway. Their plane, a DC-10 like the flight 191 aircraft, was already under scrutiny from several other incidents, but in this specific case the factors contributing to the crash were all external. It just didn't help the plane's safety reputation.
I agree this sentence is kind of messy; hopefully this helps make sense of it for you! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 15:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

If one searches for Judith Wax, one is redirected to this page. Judith Wax was a writer who was among the passengers who died on this flight. But this page has nothing about Judith Wax, so I don't see the point of the redirect. Maybe the redirect should be deleted. Krakatoa (talk) 06:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Starting the discussion about whether these two pages should have {{distinguish}} templates at the top for each other. I'm of the opinion that a reader might reasonably look for the crash of flight 191 and mean either of these pages - both incidents involved a flight 191, a crash very close to the airport, and ground fatalities. On all of that, the link makes sense to keep on both pages. Thoughts? NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:59, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

(We've had this discussion before). I understand your point about both accidents happening near airports but even so, I'm not really sure if we do need those distinguish links. Why? It's redundant because if Delta Air Lines Flight 191 and American Airlines Flight 191 are two of the most well-known aviation accidents, there really shouldn't be a problem distinguishing both accidents. Like you said earlier back in January, if someone's simply looking for "flight 191 crash", they could mean these 2 accidents above but they could also mean other accidents with flight numbers "191". So if people are still lost a bit, their best action is to look at the disambiguation page of Flight 191 so linking this page instead would be better instead of simply Delta Air Lines Flight 191. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 01:22, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
Oh goodness egg on my face. Thanks very much for the response (and the reminder, not quite sure where my brain is these days). I like the idea of the DAB page for 191; would you be opposed to a hatnote pointing readers in that direction? NekoKatsun (nyaa) 14:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
I don't oppose a hatnote for the disambiguation page. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 15:23, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

A man named David Booth from Ohio apparently had the same dream 10 nights in a row where this very crash played out. I feel like it should at least get a passing mention. 149.115.66.106 (talk) 08:04, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I feel you probably shouldn’t - this is an encyclopaedia. Maungapohatu (talk) 07:31, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
First off, before we can even consider if or how we should include a bit of information, we need to make sure that the information is properly sourced. For example, are there any news articles about Booth and his premonition? Maybe it's mentioned in a book about this incident? That's the starting point for Wiki inclusion.
I will add, though, that most major disasters (and honestly, a lot of minor ones) have someone saying they predicted something about it. Here's a discussion about Aaliyah possibly dreaming a premonition about her own fatal crash (which is ultimately not included in the article), and the section in Assassination of Abraham Lincoln about Lincoln's premonitions has five different sources (a direct quote from Lincoln, Skeptical Enquirer, and three different biographies). This might give you an idea of the standard of sourcing needed, and also the relative size/importance of any premonitions. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 14:23, 4 August 2025 (UTC)