# Talk:2023 Atlantic hurricane season

Why is it being removed from the article? If it doesn’t develop, will it be mentioned as an "other system"? It should be notable enough through forecasted impacts. 2605:8D80:402:FCAF:6049:D5EE:7F4F:1D6C (talk) 03:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

It will likely be included as an additional system, similar to last year's PTC Four. CycloneYoris talk! 07:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
We cant really look at projected impacts as it violates WP:Crystal and they could very easily change.
One question, I have is how related do two storm systems need to be before they get a see also hatnote. I did hear this system might feed into another to the north. ✶Mitch199811✶ 12:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
If you're referring to the disturbance that the NHC briefly monitored off the coast of southeast Florida, I'd say that we don't need to make a hatnote of that in the article since it was never a PTC, much less a TC. JayTee⛈️ 13:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
While against WP:Crystal, I was assuming that that systems got an article and PTC 22 fed into it. Though, my question was more general; how much does a tropical system have to feed into another system for a see also hatnote? Also, would the tropical cyclone's article trump the see also hatnote? ✶Mitch199811✶ 14:32, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
If one tropical system feeds into another then it's mentioned in the tropical cyclone's met history/summary. For example, 2005's Tropical Depression Ten is mentioned in the Meteorological history of Hurricane Katrina because it fed into the system that turned into Katrina. Since the disturbance off the coast of Florida has not been confirmed to have contributed in any way to PTC 22, it's not worth mentioning. We generally don't leave hatnotes on TC articles unless it's to specify a damage currency, meteorological statistic, etc. For more clarification on how to use a footnote marker see WP:FOOTNOTES.JayTee⛈️ 17:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
It looks like it isn’t going to form which is odd, but it is definitely noteworthy enough as an other system from the massive flooding in the Caribbean. 2605:8D80:402:FCAF:DCE7:7791:E58F:853A (talk) 23:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Eh, right now most news stations are saying forecasted to be deadly or forecasted to produce loads of rain. We should wait a day or two before we decide if it needs an article. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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The reference (https://dominicantoday.com/amp/news?id=198595&title=9-dead-due-to-collapse-of-wall-at-27-de-febrero-and-maximo-gomez) cited for 9 deaths in the Dominican Republic does not mention that the collapse of the overpass wall was due to heavy rain. The event could be totally unrelated and I think this News should NOT be included in the effects of this PTC. Pierre cb (talk) 14:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Mention of the event has been removed. Drdpw (talk) 16:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

November 30 is right around the corner meaning the end of the season. I think we should start preparing what the lead could look like now, especially since last year I think we left it unfinished for a couple months.
My proposal:

The 2023 Atlantic Hurricane Season was one of the most active on record. However, most tropical cyclones were industrictive and weak. It had an about average number of hurricanes and major hurricanes (those above a Category 3 on the SSHWS) but an above average ACE.
It is slightly informal and could be worked on. If sources mention it, we should mention it was the most active El Nino on record. ✶Mitch199811✶ 21:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I would prefer something along the lines of this, personally (the source for fourth-most active is here):
The 2023 Atlantic hurricane season was the fourth most active Atlantic hurricane season on record, featuring 20 named storms, 7 hurricanes, 3 major hurricanes, and an above-average Accumulated Cyclone Energy.
We could expand on this later in the lead:
Despite the above-average number of storms, the number of hurricanes and major hurricanes fell within the climatological average.
In the second paragraph we could note the impactful storms Bret, Franklin, Harold, Idalia, Lee, Ophelia, Phillipe, Tammy and Twenty-One. We could also note (if a reliable source states this) that the season was less destructive and deadly than previous years. JayTee⛈️ 04:02, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Two things:
Do we have to mention that a major hurricane is above a Category 3
Are Twenty-One and Bret really all that impactful? Also, I feel like we should mention Twenty-Two and Unnamed somewhere in there.
✶Mitch199811✶ 12:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
1. I believe that should be mentioned in a footnote, yes.
2. I think Bret and Twenty-One are still worth mentioning considering they struck large populated areas. I think Twenty-Two is better off left in the Other Systems section. Unnamed could be mentioned in the first paragraph about how “tropical cyclogenesis is possible at any time of the year, as demonstrated by the formation of…”
JayTee⛈️ 14:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
One thing that annoys me is that normally we are not supposed to put single digit numbers in logogram form, but instead write them out. However, the existence of twenty-one kinda throws a wrench in the design as we have to put it in logogram form. ✶Mitch199811✶ 04:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
"Tropical Depression Twenty-One" is a proper name (technical term) and so the number is written, not the numeral – 21. See: MOS:NUMERAL. Drdpw (talk) 05:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, I misread twenty as twenty-one in JayTee's lead. Could we write out the words for the numbers, e.g. twenty named storms, seven hurricanes, and three major hurricanes? Further, is it possible to rewrite the storm predictions as words? ✶Mitch199811✶ 11:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I think we should write out the names to differentiate them from the name of TD Twenty-One, thanks for noticing that. Which storm predictions were you referring to? JayTee⛈️ 12:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
I did some work on the first paragraph, enhancing what had already been done. I think the lead needs a third paragraph addressing how El Niño caused the Bermuda High to be weak, permitting systems to curve northward, as opposed to being pushed westward towards the Gulf or the U.S. Atlantic coast, limiting their impact (death and destruction) on land (Even though there was a high number of systems this year, just three made landfall in the U.S.). Drdpw (talk) 21:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Citations for Bermuda high influences:[1][2]. ✶Mitch199811✶ 23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
NOAA has noted that the season was the most active El Nino season in "the modern era", likely meaning the satellite era...Do we think we should add this? Gumballs678 talk 00:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Source:https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/2023-atlantic-hurricane-season-ranks-4th-for-most-named-storms-in-year
It already is included. Drdpw (talk) 22:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I missed it the first time, I see it now, thanks! Gumballs678 talk 00:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Are the track maps for Don, Gert, Emily, Jose, Nigel, and Rina ever going to be updated to reflect their TCRs? EPicmAx4 (talk) 02:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I will likely get to it in the next day or two since I am on winter break. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 03:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Are you still planning on getting to it? 24.144.60.224 (talk) 22:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
IP editor, please be patient. MarioProtIV only has so much time and this might not be their priority. If you want it done faster, you can learn all the tricks and download all the programmes and do it yourself. ✶Quxyz✶ 23:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

How come the TCR tracks on certain storms haven’t been updated when the TCR reports for them have been out for a while? I’ve noticed that winds and minimum pressure have been updated but the tracks haven’t. I’d update them myself, but I do not have the software to do so. 2600:1700:ECA0:4820:84DF:A9B0:C28E:E230 (talk) 19:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

See the discussion above. Please be patient over the next few weeks as they work to get them updated. Gumballs678 talk 04:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
it has been almost a month, where are the tracks CarterStormTracking (talk) 23:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
They will be done eventually, be patient or do it yourself. ✶Quxyz✶ 01:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

At 32 deaths, shouldn’t an article exist? 2600:4808:610:7C01:49F7:A3F0:2A96:2B1C (talk) 22:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

There's no article or drafts currently but hey, I might make one, I'm just a bit lazy. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 13:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
I actually do have a draft that I have been working on and off on in my user space. I wouldn’t mind moving it to the regular draft space.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 20:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
@IrishSurfer21 Have you been working on this draft at all? I would gladly help expand it if you want to reignite interest in it. Shmego2 (talk) 00:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
There's a redirect page, dont know if it could be turned into an article (I'm not that familiar yet with Wikipedia). SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 14:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:2023 Atlantic hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 20:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 22:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I recently put an article up for GAN, so I figured I should review a few. 

"The season also had an above‑normal accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) rating of 139, despite the presence of the 2023–24 El Niño event, which typically results in less activity, and had the most storms for an El Niño year on record, largely due to record-warm sea surface temperatures across the Atlantic." - this seems like a lot for one sentence. Could you split it? Perhaps move that part to the third lead paragraph for balance?
"For the first time since the 2014 season, no names were retired this year by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO)." - I randomly spot-checked this, and it does appear in the reference provided.
"That same day, Tropical Storm Ophelia formed offshore of North Carolina." - since "offshore" is already a preposition, you don't need the "of"
Doe--12george1 (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
The unnamed subtropical storm could use more about its origins. It starts from when the NHC mentioned it on January 16th, but the TCR has info going back to January 14th. Furthermore, since the TCR provides proof that it was a strong extratropical storm off the coast of New England, you could also cite NCDC regarding impacts in Massachusetts.
Done--12george1 (talk) 05:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Kinda similar to Arlene, you could probably squeeze a bit more from the TCR regarding its origins (a non-tropical mid- to upper-level trough)
Done--12george1 (talk) 05:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
"Wind gusts of 70 mph (110 km/h) were reported in the region, causing the partial roof collapse of an apartment building, forcing two families to evacuate. Damage from this incident totaled $50,000." - where specifically?
Turns out there were stronger gusts (including 83 mph at Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport)--12george1 (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Since Bret has an article, for size purposes you should probably trim the section down a bit more, such as less met history. Because the previous two storms don't have articles, that's why I was focusing on what was missing, as opposed to too much info.
Better?--12george1 (talk) 05:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
"At 12:00 UTC on June 24, Cindy's sustained winds intensified to 60 mph (95 km/h)." - what was the basis for Cindy's peak intensity?
Done--12george1 (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
"Though the system remained embedded within the trough and had not acquired a compact wind field, a well-defined center of circulation developed along with persistent deep convection early on July 14, leading to formation of Subtropical Storm Don about 1,050 mi (1,690 km) east-northeast of Bermuda." - any chance you could split this big sentence?
Done--12george1 (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
"The next day, while beginning an anticyclonic loop over the central Atlantic, steered by a blocking ridge to its north, the system transitioned to a tropical depression." - much as I hate to dig into anything to do with Don, what was the basis for the system going from subtropical to tropical? Random happenstance, or was there a structural change?
Per TCR: "By 17 July, Don had acquired a smaller radius of maximum wind and a more concentrated area of deep convection, which resulted in it becoming a tropical cyclone."--12george1 (talk) 05:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
"After passing near the western tip of Cuba early the next, the storm strengthened into a hurricane." - missing word?
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
"Strong winds with hurricane‑force gusts left approximately 200,000 power outages in the United States, mostly in Maine, and a similar number in the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. Maine and Atlantic Canada also reported many downed trees and power lines, as well as flash flooding, leading to road closures. " - there seems to be repetition here, but mostly because the first sentence should set it up (Lee produced hurricane-force winds gusts, along with flooding rains, mostly in Maine and Atlantic Canada". And then go into details. Just a suggestion, not mandatory, but the flow could be improved is all I'm saying.
Better?--12george1 (talk) 05:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
You should probably mention Nigel's peak in mph/km/h in the prose of its section
Done--12george1 (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
"Bermuda was impacted with wind gusts of 40 mph (65 km/h).[182] Puerto Rico was also affected by Tammy's strong winds and rain. " - seems out of order, since Puerto Rico was affected first
Fixed--12george1 (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
For the PTC in November, there were three deaths in Haiti, and 21 in DR, but the total number was 32? Any idea what the breakdown was?
The source stating that were 32 deaths does not appear to provide a breakdown --12george1 (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
The Philippe damage total ">$516,000" is unsourced in the season effects table. But the section only attributes $16,000 in damage (Puerto Rico).
Thoughts about this 12george1 (talk · contribs)? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  18:13, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Otherwise the article is in good shape. Lemme know if you have any questions about any of these comments. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  22:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment: @12george1 and Hurricanehink: where are we at with this review? It doesn't look like there's been much activity recently and I just wanted to check in. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:57, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi IntentionallyDense, it looks like almost everything was addressed but Philippe's damage total. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:07, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Sounds good. Thanks for the reply! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 02:51, 29 January 2025 (UTC)