# Talk:Boden Fortress

I am working my way through the Good articles listed at Wikipedia:Good_articles/Geography_and_places#Places; having a quick look to see if they still meet the Good article criteria. I have reached this article. After I've had a quick look, I'll leave a note here.
In general, initially I look to see if there are obvious issues: maintenance tags, unsourced sections, excessive media, etc, and if so, if this can be resolved quickly by myself. If it looks like there may be several and/or significant issues, I'll open a GAR to see the extent of the problems. If it looks like there are sufficient concerns to put the GA listing in jeopardy, and that significant work is needed to resolve the concerns, I will notify the main contributors to the article, and put the GAR on hold. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:07, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

This is a well researched, well written and well presented article; it has many of the qualities of a Featured Article. Points of concern:
Given the depth and range of material, is the lead an adequate overview of the main body? See WP:Lead.
Would the Forts section be better presented as a WP:Def list rather than a series of sub-sections?
There are in places clusters of images which sandwich the text. Can some images be removed or better positioned?  See WP:MOSIM
Occasionally there are very long captions where the main information would be better served being placed in the main body leaving just a helpful and concise caption. See WP:Caption
Given the overall high standard of the article it would be disproportionate to open a GAR on the article just for these issues, which are anyway somewhat debatable. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback, I am planning to take this to FAC some day and this will surely help! A few comments though:
I am not sure why or how the forts section would benefit from using WP:Def list. Could you elaborate on that?
I can't find any obvious examples of long captions that would be better off in the main text. As of now, the captions either duplicate some information from the main text, or are inherently connected to the image itself and can't really be removed from the image. WP:Caption says nothing about a need for short captions, rather the opposite.
Thank you again! – Elisson • T • C • 10:16, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
OK. Some explanations:
Wikipedia:Caption#Succinctness: "One of many concrete bunkers built all around Boden, this one is located on the west slope of Rödberget. Only a short part of the so-called "sausage" and some of its rifle loopholes can be seen here, this particular bunker is about 50 metres (160 ft) long in total" could be rendered as One of 44 concrete bunkers on the site which due to their long curved shapes were termed "sausages". There is little advantage to the reader of telling them what they can see, unless it is not obvious, or is particularly distinctive or important: "some of its rifle loopholes can be seen here" is redundant. "Many" is vague when we have "44" in the article which is precise and shorter. Where that particular bunker is located is not of primary interest to the general reader, as the bunker is merely an example, though that information could and should be stored on the image page, which people can click on for greater detail (when and where the picture was taken, and the size of the bunker, for example).
The Forts section. MOS:BODY has this advice: "Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit the flow of the prose." The subsections in the Forts section are part of a list: the five forts in Boden Fortress, and so can be formatted using ; instead of === to create softer headings, and ease flow when reading. I will put them into the article so you can see. SilkTork ✔Tea time 07:58, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Regarding definition lists, the change you did doesn't really convert the sections to a definition list in its true sense, and neither does it unclutter the article or ease the flow of prose – it just makes the fort headings a little bit smaller (and remove them from the TOC which isn't terribly long). I'm not sure if it helps the user in any way. I'll leave it as it is for now but I'm leaning more towards re-adding the ===.
The only thing I agree with about the particular caption is replacing "many" with "44". I don't see the point in hiding information from the reader, assuming they click the image to read the additional information there. Succinctness does not mean having a short caption. Mentioning that the section seen in the image is only a short part of the full bunker is pretty important, and the loopholes are not immediately obvious from looking just at the thumb. – Elisson • T • C • 20:47, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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