# Talk:Ahmedabad

@Chariotrider555 Ahmedabad is known for IIM Ahmedabad, as it's the No 1 and most prestigious B school in India and even Asia. IIM A has recieved multiple national and international awards too. Adding onto that it's widely recognised in India (as it's a Institute of National Importance, that too the top one), and even locally, Ahmedabad has a IIM road too for that matters. It has featured in several hit films and award winning books to increase its importance. Also historically how the Indian government inaugurated this first of a kind B school with prominent role of top scientist and physicist Vikram Sarabhai to impart quality education amplifies it's importance too. So IIM deserves its place instead of the Jama Mosque, which is not that notable to be in montage, as it's already there in the Cityscape section. Also we have 1 place of worship in Hutheesing temple already in montage, why not add a reputed education institute in IIM, considering it's the No. 1 in the nation. Editking100 (talk) 15:48, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

An issue here is that the gallery in the infobox has eight photographs, and is quite large.  So you were right to think that if you wanted an image of the Indian Institute of Management you needed to remove an existing photograph.  In terms of average page views per month over the last 9 years:
Jama Mosque, Ahmedabad 1,693.[1]
Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad 12,009.[2]
Personally I think there are too many photographs in the infobox, and that it should be trimmed from eight to five.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
Yes that's what even if we set aside the importance of IIM for a minute, and look at the numbers, you'd get my point. Numbers don't lie they say. Editking100 (talk) 19:37, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
Current 8 photos in the montage perfectly describe what Ahmedabad is, I don't advise trimming to 5. Let's keep it as it is. Editking100 (talk) 19:39, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
And it is wrong to use the same photograph in two places in the article - if you want it in the infobox, you cannot display it in the cityscape gallery.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:01, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
Jama Masjid is also an iconic structure and a symbol of the Sultanate era architecture and history found in the city. It is a Monument of National Importance (N-GJ-7). If only one place of worship should be in the infobox, it should rather be the Jama Masjid rather than the Hutheesing Jain Temple. The Hutheesing Jain temple is neither an Indian Monument of National Importance nor a Gujarat State Protected Monument. It is only considered a Grade I Heritage Structure by the Ahmedabad Municipal Corporation.. The Jama Masjid is representative of the city's prominent Sultanate era architecture, for which Ahmadabad is more notable (both in number and historical value) in comparison to Ahmadabad's Maru-Gurjara Revival architecture. For reference view scholarly surveys of Ahmedabad's architecture.Chariotrider555 (talk) 18:18, 31 May 2025 (UTC) Chariotrider555 (talk) 18:18, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Is this OK?  If it is, we need to move File:Sheth Hutheesinh Temple.jpg to the cityscape gallery, and remove File:Jama Masjid, Ahmedabad 01.jpg from the cityscape gallery.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Let the Temple and Mosque be in the Cityscape itself. I suggest we should add picture of a Pol of Ahmedabad, as it's a UNESCO World heritage site. Quoting UNESCO "These pols, a maze of narrow streets lined with densely packed houses, are the heart of Old Ahmedabad, a UNESCO World Heritage Site". You can look upto the UNESCO site by searching these quotes. Also it's unique to Ahmedabad and so deserves its mention in the Montage. More weightage should be given to a UNESCO World Heritage site (pols) rather than one of things that made Ahmedabad a heritage city (Juma mosque etc). Editking100 (talk) 20:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
Look at the wikipedia article, 'List of pols in Ahmedabad', you'll get a link of UNESCO mentioning that these pols were the one, who helped Ahmedabad gain a place in UNESCO's World Heritage Site selection criteria via clauses II, III and IV.
If you look to the UNESCO page, https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1551 You'll see that in the Brief synthesis, Criteria II and V you'll notice it weighs in words like 'pols', 'puras', 'havelis', 'khadkis', 'settlement planning', 'community living', 'gated street' etc in the reasons why Ahmedabad got it WHC status. It doesn't mention just 1 or 2 places of worship there and focuses on the traditional residential architecture (pols) in which multicultural coexistence was present at that time, and so Ahmedabad got its WHC. If you look at the gallery of that UNESCO page, places of worship of all religions (Hindus, Jains, Muslims) are shown there, but they are outnumbered significantly by the images of Pols, Street Views, Traditional facades, Wall carvings and Wooden brackets of various Pols. So weighing on all this things, I suggest that we put a image of a Pol instead of the Hutheesing Temple or Jama Mosque, as you can't ignore UNESCO WHC winning sites in the Montage of a WHC city. That would be irony of the highest order. This ends my (cordial & informative) argument. Editking100 (talk) 21:12, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
Reasons for minute changes done in Montage:
1) Added Pol img. with description (detailed reason mentioned just above)
2) IIM - A img. stays (detailed reason at starting of above thread)
3) Hutheesing temple stays (Rare historic jain temple) of Maru-Gurjara style
+ Architecture specific to Gujarat (only found here)
+ Strong historical ties of Hutheesing family with Ahmedabad in multiple ways (read Hutheesing family wikipedia page)
+ Not in cityscape section (just Hutheesing entrance gate was there, which i removed)
Whereas Jama Mosque stays in Cityscape as it's an architecture of a more comman type (Indo-Islamic type), which has lots of monuments in the nation ranging from Delhi Sultanate to Bengal Sultanate to Western India and subcontinent etc (and there are over 3000 monuments of National importance in whole of India, it doesn't mean all of them find a place in every montage that exists), here more things are favouring the Hutheesing temple wrt rarity, Gujarat specific/limited architecture, strong ties with Ahmedabad of makers, all of which i explained just above.
+ Detailed reason of why Pols are choosen over it explained above citing UNESCO links.
4) Removed Ahmedabad Brts as it's not relevant (in montage) today, as in now we have metro and will have bullet train soon (so I removed citing relevance)
Other all images fits perfect to what Ahmedabad is and what a montage should be (now we have a blended mix of everything across sectors) and while I looked at montages of lots of National/Int. Cities, I feel this 8 images does justice and we shouldnt remove them as lots of metro cities more or less have the same schema (one of each category). So, I couldn't get a reason to change anything that's already apt.
Thank s Editking100 (talk) 00:12, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
The UNESCO World Heritage Site criterion II was cited as being fulfilled through the Sultanate-era architecture primarily the mosques of which the Jama Mosque is the prime example. Chariotrider555 (talk) 04:42, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/155
Read the brief synthesis (weighs on Pol)
Criteria 5 (weighs on settlement planning ie Pol again)
Even in Criteria 2, which you mentioned, the word settlement planning is mentioned and not one single structure (like jama mosque is mentioned). So we are ignoring Pols which is numerous times mentioned with a place ie not at all mentioned in the UNESCO page. Read full explanation in above thread i wrote Editking100 (talk) 09:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
@Chariotrider555: please can you make a compromise version of the infobox on this talk page that takes into account both your and @Editking100:'s views. A way to do it is like I did above at what the infobox could look like.  It is difficult for the rest of us to see what you mean if you do not show us what you mean.  When you are doing this, please give consideration as to which images should be full width, and which half width, and explain the reasoning in your comments.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

I made a compromise version including both parties demands, hope this is perfect and I'll edit keeping this in mind.
Img 1: Skyline of SG Highway,full
Img 2: Sabarmati Riverfront, half
Img 3: Sheth Hutheesing Temple, half
Img 4: Atal Pedestrian Bridge, half
Img 5: Ahmedabad Aerial View,half
Img 6: An Ahmedabad Pol, half
Img 7: Jama Mosque, half
Img 8: IIM Ahmedabad, half
Img 9: Narendra Modi Stadium, half Editking100 (talk) 09:12, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Done, both parties images are now in the infobox, considering the constructive arguments above. Peace. Editking100 (talk) 10:01, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Support. Chariotrider555 (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Proposal to include a table in sports section of the teams/clubs representing Ahmedabad. Similar tables are there for cities like Mumbai, check that out for reference.
@Toddy1
@Chariotrider555. What do you guys say? Editking100 (talk) 10:10, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

In that article there is a section on sports (Mumbai#Sports). Notice that the section has lots of citations, making it clear that it is based on what reliable sources say, and that sports in that city are notable.  Please build the section either before or at the same time that you build the table.  It can be a good idea to do some of the work in your sandbox first - it avoids edit conflicts - and gives you a chance to work out how to format some things by trial and error.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Yes, agreed. Will work on it. Editking100 (talk) 14:45, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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hello, I'm from Ahmedabad there is currently not many slums here that picture is from 1970s please let it be removed as it's not suitable. Please discus with me because there are very less areas here with slums.thanks Superkin234 (talk) 16:28, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article is an encyclopaedia article on the city and its history. In the section on poverty it talks about the slums and how in the 1990s an effort was made to improve them, which included demolishing some of the slums. It is therefore useful for the article to have a picture showing what the slums were like before they did this.
Your statement that there are less areas with slums now than in 1979, suggests that you think that Ahmedabad Municipal Corporation's actions have been somewhat successful. The census is more useful to Wikipedia, since that is a reliable source - it said that in 1991 about 1 in 4 of the population of the city lived in slums, whilst in 2011 this is down to about 1 in 20.  It would be great if the slums disappeared completely.  But that would be all the more reason to have a photograph showing what the slums were like before the municipal corporation made things better.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
hello in my opinion slums were an unwanted part of Ahmedabads history and any evidence of it should be removed. History is remembered when it leaves behind a legacy like the emperor's who ruled over Ahmedabad during the Mughal and sultanate era for instance like emperor Bahadur shah Zafar we could include a picture of the monuments he built as those exist even today and have a rich and lasting legacy. Slums on the other hand don't even exist in this day as the census would say and have no legacy. Please discus thanks. Superkin234 (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not re-write history, which, from your phrase "slums were an unwanted part of Ahmedabads history and any evidence of it should be removed", you are trying to do.  Take pride in the success achieved so far, even if there are still some outstanding problems. - Arjayay (talk) 17:29, 23 November 2025 (UTC)