# Talk:Akhtala Monastery

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write.  This is how the article, as of October 7, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:

1. Well written?:  The article is generally written to the GA standard, but one thing need fixing. According to the Manual of Style, blockquote (or cquote) format should never be used for quotations of less than four lines long. The first two blockquotes in the article violate this tenant. Also, the article needs to be tagged with a template from Wikiproject Architecture on this talk. Another issue was the capitalization of monastery in the title. Monastery is not a proper noun, and is not a required part of naming the site, so per WP:MoS guidelines it shouldn't be capitalized.
2. Factually accurate?:  The article is mostly pretty good on sourcing, but suffers from an extremely common problem: it fails to adequately provide inline citations. Remember that the bare minimum is a citation at the end of each paragraph (not the end of each section) and for quotations. Presently, there are many paragraphs and one quotation that are not given inline citations. These include: The fortress, Murals of St. Astvatsatseen, Other structures, and the first paragraph of Known residents. The quotation in St. Astvatsatseen (Holy Virgin) church is improperly cited, the citation should be within the quotes after the phrase.
3. Broad in coverage?:  Covers all major points.
4. Neutral point of view?:  Certainly neutral, further citations in the necessary areas is required for attribution of some possibly non-neutral statements though.
5. Article stability?  Not the subject of any recent or on-going conflicts.
6. Images?:  Present and accounted for with proper licensing.
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved.  After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again.  If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice.  Thank you for your work so far. 
— VanTucky Talk 21:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I dug up several sources which wasn't easy to do given the obscure nature of the topic. The monastery has been pretty much ignored until recent years after the collapse of the USSR. I think there are sufficient sources, the only potential issue is the heavy reliance on one book but the other sources seem to even it out and properly backup the content from the book.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 16:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Btw eveything in the article can be cited using the available sources. If you think there is any line in particular that requires a citation just let me know.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 18:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Good work so far, but you seem to have missed one of my points. There needs to be an inline citation at the end of every paragraph. If you have several cites in the body, but there are still more facts that come after it, that means there are still facts not covered by inline references. So even if there is a single sentence uncited at the end, there must be a citation at the end. Additional refs in the body are great, but all the facts in a paragraph still must be attributed to a source. VanTucky Talk 04:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I think just about everything is covered now.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 16:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
GA hold completed; passed Thanks for all your hard work, and congratulations! VanTucky Talk 23:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The Armenian naming of Virgin Mary -especially when it comes to churches and monasteries- is "the Holy Mother of God" which is the exact translation of "Surb Astvatsatsin". The term is widely used in all Wikipedia articles.--Kevorkmail (talk) 18:04, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi VanTucky
This article is very deficient. It actually hides very important aspects related to Akhtala monastery. I want to point out several of those: 1) Arkhtala monastery is an Orthodox Monastery. It belonged to Georgian Orthodox Church and not to Armenian Church. It is one of those several monasteries that Armenians claim to be theirs but without much evidence. On the other hand there's exhaustive evidence pointing to it Georgian origin. Monastery currently is though on the territory of Armenia called Lori. Lori before Armenian-Georgian war in 1918 was Georgian territory. 2) The author of this article completely misses the facts that there are multiple frescoes of Georgian saints with Georgian inscriptions on it. This saints include but are not limited to St. George Hagiorite, St. Euthimius of Athos and others. This would not be an issue but since Georgians claim the history of this church there should be clear indication why they claim it. Let the readers do more research and decide on the truth. Why should one hold information like this from a reader if article has any claim of objectivity? 3) It also does not mention that most of the mural is representing not Byzantine but Georgian Orthodox culture. 4) It also does not mention that the walls (inside and outside) of the church is full of old Georgian inscriptions. 5) It also does not mention that architecturally there's no analogous church in Armenia but there are several churches in Georgia which has same type of architecture. 6) It also misrepresents many facts which I'm going to mention first. Then give you proof of it and then with your permission change article appropriately.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vano t (talk • contribs) 02:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC) 

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This article suggests that the architectural style of St.Astvatsatsin Church is 'purely Armenian', even though the church is far more akin to  architecture of the 'Georgian Golden Age', than to its contemporary Armenian churches like Geghard and Noravank. 
I do not claim that the style is purely Georgian either. It's rather syncretic that merges both national architectural styles quite fluidly. The article ignores this, though...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.114.226.188 (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2017 (UTC)