# Talk:Anna Cramling

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 13:16, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Happy to be challenged on any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:16, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Copyvio check: I looked at results on Earwig's Copyvio detector, ignoring junk pages that copy Wikipedia content. No concerns.
Images: All have CC licenses. Captions and placement are fine. The image of Cramling's mother seems to be slightly wider than the one of her father; looks like it could be cropped to match.
Sources

Ref. 1 (Twitch) looks incomplete. Quite an amusing source! I think this OK per WP:BLPSELFPUB.
Added Twitch as the website. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Ref. 4 (Cramling's site FAQ) - a more marginal call regarding WP:BLPSELFPUB, but I think it's OK. (IMO, most secondary sources tend to rely on interviews or other info directly relayed by the subject when you look into them a bit further, anyway.)
Ref. 36 (YouTube) looks incomplete.
This ref is automatically generated by the infobox. I don't have any control over it. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Optionally, you could run IABot to archive sources.
It doesn't let me for some reason. Feel free to try if you want. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Not a huge range of sources have been used for the article, but my quick search (and a peek at [Swedish Wikipedia article]) didn't find any obvious omissions, which suggests that the range is appropriate for a GA.
Infobox and lead

Optionally, FIDE rating could be updated.
Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Early life and background

"on 30 April 2002" and "to Pia Cramling and Juan Manuel Bellón López" not verified by the stated source.
Duplicated the next source
"Her mother became the fifth woman to achieve the GM title in 1992..." - reads to me as though 5th in 1992, not 5th ever.
Good point. Re-worded to "Her mother was No. 1 in the world among women by FIDE rating in 1984 and later became the fifth woman ever to achieve the GM title in 1992." Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
"previously was No. 1 in the world among women by FIDE rating in 1984" - OK where it is, but consider moving this to before the 1992 achievement.
Fixed together with the previous point. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
"Her father later made the same federation switch in 2017" - optionally, either remove "later" or amend to something like "In 2017, her father made the same federation switch."
I think it's easier to follow with "later" to compare the two. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Chess career

"at age 10, starting out at 1513 after playing the Amateur A competition at the Gibraltar Chess Festival." - mostly unverified by cited source.
Duplicated the next source. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Wasn't it 1519 rather than 1513 (from the chart at ratings.fide.com)?
Good catch, fixed! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
"Cramling had a large increase in rating in early 2015 at age 12 when she gained over 300 rating points across four tournaments in two months to surpass a rating of 1900." doesn't seem to be verifed by the sources after the following sentence.
Added the FIDE rating progress source again. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
"made a draw" and "her seed of 30th" - if this are in chess terminology or standard in varieties of English then keep the phrasing, but they seem unusual wordings to me in the UK.
changed the first to "drew a game". I think the "seed" wording is okay. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
"Her best tournament of the year was the European Youth Championships" - not verified by the stated source.
Added the FIDE rating progress source again. Really, you have to look at all of the tournament records month-by-month for all of 2019. If you do that, you'll see the only other full-length tournament she gained a significant amount of rating (or had a good performance) was the Rilton Cup in the February rating period. If you compare that tournament to the European Youth Championships, you'll see that she that from standard ways to assess performance, she gained significantly more rating at the latter (+103 vs. +58), had a better score (5.5/9 vs. 3/9), her best victory was against a higher-rated opponent (2307 vs. 2239), and she had a better performance rating by a wide margin (2355 vs. 2110). Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Team competitions

First four sentences don't seem to be verified by the stated sources.
For the first sentence, searching Anna Cramling on chess-results will list which Olympiads and ETCCs she has participated in. Unfortunately, the search results are not a linkable page. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
For the second sentence, I repeated the later sources in the section. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
For the third and fourth sentences, I fixed one of the next two sources. The two sources were meant to be different, but they were the same by mistake. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't know whether "She played on the third board in 2019 behind her mother and Ellinor Frisk, and was again on the reserve board in 2021" is verified by the stated sources as I'm not entirely sure how to interpret them.
If you search "Cramling" on the pages for the 2019 and 2021 sources, it will tell you the team composition. (It's pretty far down the page because they didn't come close to winning.) Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Playing style

I know very little about chess, and nothing about the Queen's Pawn Game. I'm not sure if there's any more that could be added on this in the article - looking at Queen's Pawn Game I dont really see whether this is regarded as agressive or defensive, only that it's the second-most popular opening move. I'm also not sure if there's anything worth adding about her windraw/loss statistics using this - seems she loses more games than she wins using the opening. (Stats are on the chessgames.com source)
First moves alone aren't aggressive or defensive. It's just a different style. I didn't include more detailed openings (i.e. sets of 3 to 10 moves instead of just one) because it's harder to find that information. W–L isn't useful because it's very dependent on whether she gets to face higher or lower-rated opponents more often. (Also, chessgames isn't comprehensive. It's just a selection of games.) It is implied that she is very likely better at this opening than others because she only plays this opening and for the most part she doesn't play any others. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I wasn't too sure about "(laughs)" which is italics in the source. MOS:QUOTE says "Generally preserve bold and italics".
Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
The quote is a high proportion of this section. Perhaps you could take some of it into general text.
I summarized the quote as "Cramling believes she combines her mother's opening style with her father's aggressive style". She basically says the same thing with a few small details added, and it ends up a lot longer than how it is summarized because she repeats the two key points (mother's openings, father's aggressive style) a few times each in the quote. At the same time though, each repetition is a little different, and it seems awkward to try to cut out small parts of it. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Streaming career

"[2][37][38][39]" could be citebundled. (WP:CITEBUNDLE)
I cut one of the sources I wasn't really using. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Could briefly explain what Panda is. (e.g. use same wording as in the lead)
Re-worded. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on the article, Sportsfan77777. I made a few minor changes which I think are uncontroversial, but happy to discuss. Comments and questions above. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, BennyOnTheLoose! I replied above. I think I agreed with most things. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your responses, Sportsfan77777. Some of my points were due to my lack of familiarity with chess sources. I'm satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria so am passing it. Great work, thanks. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

On this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrfAdQQZ9zI - Anna has a rating of 2281, can someone get that into her profile? 
Jasperwillem (talk) 17:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

@Jasperwillem:, We don't report chess.com ratings in the infobox, I am afraid. I moved this thread to the bottom of the page because that's where new threads are added usually. Cheers! Chanaka L (talk) 09:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
STYLE: I loved the entry, but could not help noticing that many facts are mentioned several times, over and over again. Say about her parents, her contracts, etcetera. Could someone edit and purify the whole thing?

Is there any particular reason for not including rankings in the profile?  It seems pretty basic to me. Kdammers (talk) 15:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Played by GM Platon Galperin against Anna Cramling at the Reykjavik Open. The claim is that this may have been the first time "The Cow" Opening has been played by a GM in Classical Chess.  It was an interesting game. Easeltine (talk) 16:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

It is sourced from a youtube video. But in another video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnH5hZaLfUk) she says her surname as Bellon Cramling. Traditionally, the father's name would be first (at least according to wikipedia). I think it can be decided which way you want it, but probably you can't choose both... 91.153.55.152 (talk) 11:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)