# Talk:Ant-Man (film)

Why was Anthony Mackie in the infobox when he wasn't in the billing block on the main poster? Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 07:57, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Per the discussion at Talk:Ant-Man (film)/Archive 1#Mackie in billing?. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:27, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. Was he added to the billing block for home media? Or not? I noticed you on the Infinity War talk page too. Can you point out exactly which MCU films have infobox cast lists that differ from the billing block on the theatrical poster? I'm mostly just curious, as I had been using the information on Wikipedia's infoboxes under the impression that they came from official sources. It would be greatly appreciated. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 18:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
There aren't really any official sources on how Wikipedia works, it is all just decided by those who use it. I believe this is the only MCU film article that differs from the billing block, though there have been discussions to do the same at several other articles including Avengers: Age of Ultron, Captain America: Civil War, and currently at Avengers: Infinity War. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:22, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Actually, I have an issue with this. Anthony Mackie isn't in the billing block, which is what the infobox cast lists are consistently based on, so why would he be listed in the infobox? That makes no sense and defies logic. Branjsmith94 (talk) 04:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Poster billing blocks are but one listing that can be used to base credits off of. Obviously, since they indicate pre-release information, and in this case, the exclusion of an actor meant to be a surprise, the film's actual on-end credits can trump the billing listing. This was discussed at the above linked discussion on the matter. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed that Anthony Mackie was in the billing cast per consensus in this talk page, but I think that Anthony Mackie shouldn't be in the billing cast because I saw the theatrical poster of Ant-Man, and Anthony Mackie was not there, so Anthony Mackie should be in the additional cast, trust me. 2800:BF0:8142:E29:5C38:C7F0:5FC8:FBF2 (talk) 22:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

The billing cast is not exclusive to those on the movie posters. He received billing in the movie, therefore he is rightfully listed as part of the biling on the cast of this movie. That is consistent with the applicable policies related to film casts, which is relevant in the determinations made on this matter. Personal opinions or preferences don't matter. Mackie's inclusion is consistent with policy. That's all there is to it. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Additionally, by your argument, since the movie poster for Avengers: Endgame only shows those heroes who survived the snap, and none of those who were snapped away by Thanos, we shouldn't include anyone in the billed cast who was not on the poster. But that would be a bad move, since those who were unsnapped played a role in the defeat of Thanos. So if we can include those not on the Endgame poster in the cast list for that movie, we can and should include Mackie on the billed cast for this movie, since he did play a somewhat significant role in the action despite not being part of the top-tier cast. Either your rationale applies to both movies, or it doesn't apply to either. No two ways about it. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Wait a sec, you confused me a little. What I'm meaning in the cast that are below of all the posters, in this case with Ant-Man, Anthony Mackie wasn't there, so, the same thing that you explained to me happens in this case that I'm saying too? 2800:BF0:8142:E29:F9A3:56A0:5983:7B53 (talk) 01:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
That is not what I'm saying at all. Please pay attention: The poster for Avengers: Endgame only includes those characters who were not affected by the snap (those who participated in the Time Heist, plus Okoye and Captain Marvel). That was done to avoid spoilers. But every superhero who was snapped, despite not appearing on the poster, was credited by name on the cast list in the Avengers: Endgame article here on Wikipedia. They were credited in the film, so they were credited on the page, despite the fact that they did not appear on the poster for the movie. So movie posters are not and never have been relevant criteria for determining which actors "should" get credited on Wikipedia pages about Marvel movies. You said Anthony Mackie was not on the movie poster for Ant-Man, so he should be excluded from the cast list on this article. Based on the fact that actors not on the Endgame poster were still credited on the Wikipedia article about Endgame, excluding Mackie from the cast list as you are suggesting would be stylistically inconsistent with MOS:FILMCAST. Was Mackie in Ant-Man? Yes. So whether or not Mackie appears on the poster for the Ant-Man movie is irrelevant. He was in the movie, and credited as being in the movie, therefore, he is credited on the cast list on this page. That's all there is to it. --Jgstokes (talk) 02:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
The IP is not talking about being the actors being included in the article or not, they're only talking about including them in the bullet points and the in the |Starring= part of the infobox. They're right in that this page is an exception to following the billing block on the poster. Mackie is included in the main-on-end credits, but not on the poster, because his appearance was a surprise. Given this difference, through discussion at Talk:Ant-Man (film)/Archive 1#Mackie in billing?, it was decided that we should include it. The same was later done on Spider-Man: No Way Home with Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield, given their inclusion in the main-on-end credits but not on the poster in order not to spoil the surprise. In the case of Endgame, I believe there wasn't a difference between billing block and main-on-end credits. —El Millo (talk) 05:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Additionally, as defined by WP:FILMCAST, it never stated "billing" meant exclusively the poster. I had recently added wording there to highlight the various types of billing that exist. While following the poster is most common, that is a pre-release order, that may not accurately reflect the final film, as was determined in this case since Mackie's inclusion was meant to be a surprise reveal. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:14, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

An IP recently added "Goreshter" as Kurt's last name to the Quantumania article. I assumed this was incorrect/unsourced, so I removed it, but then it turns out the CBR source states his full name as "Kurt Goreshter". So I did some digging, and it turns out Dastmalchian tweeted in 2021 that Kurt's last name is apparently Goreshter (as a tribute to his dialect coach). Since this has never been stated onscreen nor confirmed by anyone else who worked on the films, should we treat this as a Michelle Jones/Max Favreau situation and just say something like Dastmalchian stated that the character's last name is Goreshter? InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

That wording works for me. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
I wasn't able to find a secondary source that covered this, so I guess his tweet will have to do. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

There was aslo a man who wanted to buy hotdogs from Baskin-Robbins. I don't know his name, but since even the voice of the toy rabbit is in the cast list he deserves to be in the list. Aminabzz (talk) 14:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not about deserving inclusion, it's about there being reliable sources to corroborate it and it being due weight. The guy who voices the toy rabbit is Tom Kenny, a known voice actor who has voiced SpongeBob SquarePants, for example. I doubt the man who wanted to buy hotdogs from Baskin-Robbins is played by someone who has an article on Wikipedia. —El Millo (talk) 16:20, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

The redirect Ant-Man (2010) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 14 § Ant-Man (2010) until a consensus is reached.  InfiniteNexus (talk) 08:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)