# Talk:Bailey's Taproom

https://brewpublic.com/beer-news/baileys-taproom-and-the-upper-lip-permanently-closes-its-doors/
https://www.wweek.com/bars/beer/2018/03/02/the-10-best-and-most-iconic-beer-bars-in-oregon/
https://www.wweek.com/bars/beer/2017/03/07/beer-buyers-are-the-new-rock-stars-of-the-craft-beer-world-we-crawled-across-town-to-rank-their-lists/
https://www.wweek.com/bars/beer/2017/02/28/portlands-day-one-may-be-the-nations-only-pop-up-beer-distributor/
---Another Believer (Talk) 16:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: Thanks so much for your help! I was given a whopping few hours to work on this article after the last AFD discussion (eye roll) ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:52, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
@Alalch E.: Thanks for your edits to the article. You added the notability tag, so could I possibly get your thoughts on current sourcing? Of course, you're welcome to weigh in at AfD, but I'm hoping to get feedback here before too many folks start casting votes while the article expansion is a work in progress. Thanks, ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
@Another Believer:Thanks for the ping, it's a pleasure editing alongside you. I !voted delete in the procedurally closed bundled AfD, and I see AfDs on individual articles that have or will have sprung up for those articles as a next step in the same process; I have already read your comment in the ongoing AfD. I prefer writing something about notability there, because talking about notability is talking about whether to delete the article or not, especially in this context with the AfD running. The notability tag isn't up anymore, so talking about that here isn't operable, and feels a little like splitting the discussion. Those are my thoughts currently, but I might change my mind and write something here after all. Cheers —Alalch E. 23:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Ok, no problem! I was more just looking for some coaching and feedback, and wanted to address any specific concerns you might have as the editor who added the tag. All good! ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
https://www.bendsource.com/bend/beerfest-mania/Content?oid=6806610
Best Rotating Taps: https://www.pdxmonthly.com/eat-and-drink/2012/08/beervana-best-0710
---Another Believer (Talk) 02:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

"CHRISTMAS IN JULY", The Oregonian: "The folks at Bailey's Taproom are celebrating their second year as one of the gems of Beervana. Bailey's setting is superbly urban, and its rotating list of 20 thoughtfully chosen taps and many bottles make it a must-stop for serious beer fans. They'll roll out 16 barrel-aged beers for this event, including Hair of the Dog's superb Cherry Adam from the Wood --sherry casks, in this case --and Cascade Bourbonic Plague, Full Sail Amber and Double Mountain Terrible Two, all aged in bourbon barrels." ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:56, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
"Sour beers top Oregon brew tour" (February 27, 2014), Argus Leader (Sioux Falls, South Dakota): "The next stop was Bailey's Taproom, ranked as one of the top craft beer bars in the United States with 24 ever-rotating draft lines primarily focused on serving Oregon beers." ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:57, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

There's clearly a connection between Bailey's and Upper Lip. Right now Upper Lip is mentioned in passing, but I think details about this business could be added here as well.

https://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/2017/03/35_ways_best_portland_staycation.html
This should be taken into consideration in the ongoing AfD discussion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:33, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

I checked the Business Registry for both Bailey's Taproom and also for "The Upper Lip" and "Upper Lip", which  according to the Secretary of State was never a separate entity from Bailey's Tap Room. Sorry I don't have time this week to do more, getting ready for visit from Colorado grandkids. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:52, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
https://www.oregonlive.com/dining/2013/12/portlands_top-five_macarons_ba.html
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Portland_Beer_Stories/A4X8CQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Bailey%27s+Taproom%22%2B%22Upper+Lip%22&pg=PA93&printsec=frontcover
---Another Believer (Talk) 02:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@The Banner: Please do not remove details about The Upper Lip without consensus. Thank you. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
This source refers to the Upper Lip as "Bailey's Taproom's secret upstairs bar", indicating it is not a separate business entity.
I also double checked the Secretary of State's site as when I looked before (see above), I didn't search on "Bailey's Upper Lip". The result: also  "Your search returned no business entry names." — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
@Another Believer: It is standard to write an article about one subject, not two. And you are not the owner with veto-right on this (or any other) article. The Banner talk 21:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Even so, you need to look at the official business record showing 720 SW Ankeny Street (the Upper Lip's address) is on that same business registry as Bailey's Taproom at 213 SW Broadway.
If you Google directions for the two locations, they are literally around the corner from each other, probably in the same building.
The subject is Bailey's Taproom, which expanded into the Upper Lip space, not two different subjects. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
What means that Upper Lip is irrelevant, as it is just part of BT. The Banner talk 23:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
@The Banner From what I can tell, User:Grand'mere Eugene and I prefer to keep details about Upper Lip here. Please restore the content per current consensus. Perhaps User:BuySomeApples would like to weigh in as the GA reviewer? ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:21, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Updated my text since User:Grand'mere Eugene has already reverted. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
So now every backroom bar is now worth mentioning. I have earlier stated my concern about the promo-level of your articles and this reinforces that concern. The Banner talk 23:34, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
My concern is that you seem to prefer ignoring factual evidence when it doesn't support your pre-conceived rationale for disapproving this article's notability. When you are wrong, it would be more appropriate to let it go, rather than continuing to bad-mouth the process. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
I have concerns about the promo-level of this article. As far as I know, I am allowed to voice that opinion. The Banner talk 10:01, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
@The Banner: I am in support of leaving that information in the article since it amounts to a brief mention and was clearly worth being noted by secondary sources. Per WP:NOTEWORTHY notability guidelines don't apply to all of the content within an article, only whether the article should exist or not. It's and verifiable and it doesn't seem to be undue weight. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:45, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pocket_Beer_Book_2014/6mI6AgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Bailey%27s+Taproom%22+portland&pg=PT252&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pocket_Beer_Book_2nd_edition/IGWOAwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Bailey%27s+Taproom%22+portland&pg=PT268&printsec=frontcover
---Another Believer (Talk) 18:52, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Without the possibility to see the content impossible to say. I get two times "No preview available". The Banner talk 21:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Several sources (example) mention the bar's social media activities. Might be worth mentioning. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:57, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Completely irrelevant. There are millions of businesses active on social media. The Banner talk 21:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not going to add them all, but there are quite a few more Portland Business Journal sources:

"Economic damage from Oregon's wildfires expected to mount" (Sept 14, 2020)
"Five Things for Tuesday, including grounded flights and a big layoff" (Sept 15, 2020)
"Five Things for Friday, including biotech promises and a pub's last call" (Sept 18, 2020)
"Oregon Beer Showdown 2020: Tell us which breweries you're supporting during the pandemic " (Sept 21, 2020)
"Five Things for Monday, including a beloved beer hall is gone for good" (February 8, 2021)
"Longtime downtown beer hall makes pandemic shutdown permanent" (February 8, 2021)
"Five Things for Wednesday, including reopening reactions and a goodbye to Bailey's" (February 10, 2021)
"Five Things for Tuesday, including a requiem for bar beers and PDX pumpkins" (October 26, 2021)
---Another Believer (Talk) 01:54, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

"5 things to know for Friday, and, man, our capitol building sure is weird" (September 8, 2017): "If you're into the notion of cellared beers, the great Bailey's Taproom might have a few items for you. The beer Mecca will host its Back 2 School Bottle Sale Sept. 17 and Sept. 18 at its Upper Lip annex, on Southwest Ankeny Street just around the corner from the flagship location. Later this month, the taproom will also host the first-ever Regional Rumble, which will pit six non-Portland breweries against each other in a battle of the beers. That event takes place Sept. 29 and features pFriem, Double Mountain, Everybody's, Wild Ride, GoodLife and Boneyard." ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
"5 things to know for Thursday, including Salem's never-ending lot of buzziness" (November 16, 2017): "And, if you're out and about tonight and looking for stuff to do downtown, the Upper Lip will host its Heads and Tails event, at which the Bailey's Taproom team will pair beer and cider with various spirits. The program runs between 6 p.m. and 10 p.m. at the Southwest Ankeny spot." ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:02, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
"A bustling startup helps Portland taprooms achieve the perfect pour" (March 6, 2019): "As they worked on that product, Sterling was doing much of coding at Bailey's Taproom in downtown Portland. While there, he wrote a quick digital menu application to put on the taproom's TV... For the first year, the only installation was that original sign at Bailey's. The crew at the taproom has helped DigitalPour develop the product over the years." ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:02, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
There are actually dozens of other articles in Lexis published by Portland Business Journal, The Oregonian, the Daily Journal of Commerce Searching "Bailey's Taproom" yields 108 results. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:06, 23 December 2022 (UTC)