# Talk:Ara Parseghian

I rated the article as a class "C" because it has only one reference.  I'm sure there are others. Pknkly (talk) 07:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Jared Parasghian is not Ara's son, but his great-nephew. Additionally, the factiod isn't really relevant to the article. If it were, we'd also have to mention that Ara's son Mike played for Notre Dame. But I don't think we really need a football genealogy of the Parseghian family. Maybe I'm wrong about that?

The entirety of this page is lifted here: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Ara-Parseghian
I assume that the wiki page was copied, but not sure what to do about things like this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.6.178 (talk) 00:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC) 

The lift probably went from Wiki to NationMaster. Pknkly (talk) 07:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Agree, but at some earlier point than now. I've made some reverts and edits to this article that do not appear in NationMaster, especially in the discussion of the end of the 1966 season. Sensei48 (talk) 09:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Before reverting the passage in dispute - specific mention of the Fertig to Sherman pass that won the 1964 USC-ND game for the Trojans and likely spoiled a chance for a NC for Notre Dame - I would refer both to my previous edit summary and to the article overall. As far as the latter goes, Parseghian's career overall and especially at Notre Dame is woefully under-recounted here; the limited highlights do not accurately reflect his notability beyond stub status, and I believe that several other editors and I can make improvements there. My particular objections to the Fertig-Sherman clause are that a) it adds nothing whatsoever to understanding AP or his notability; no other specific game-winning play either by or against ND appears in the article mentioning players Irish or opponent by name, and c) Parseghian coached in at least eight or ten far more significant contests, several of which featured plays equally or more dramatic that had greater impact on the coach's career (the Tom Clements-Robin-Webber pass that essentially won the Dec 1973 Sugar Bowl for the Irish and secured the national championship for example, or the James Street-Cotton Speyrer pass by Texas in the '70 Cotton Bowl that kept the Longhorns' 20 [eventually 30] game winning streak alive, to name two of many). The Fertig-Sherman mention would be appropriate to an article about that particular game, but it fails the notability test even for the narrow scope of the ND-USC rivalry as discussed here. Should Anthony Davis's 6 TDs in the '72 game be mentioned in THIS article? Purdue's Mike Phipps, three consecutive victories over Parseghian's teams? Terry Hanratty's and Joe Theisman's total offense and passing records at Notre Dame, or the fact that Hanratty broke the legendary George Gipp's total offense record under Ara's tutelage?
This is an article about Parseghian, not about specific players and plays during his tenure. Even if the article is expanded to include those, it's doubtful that Fertig-Sherman would make the cut; the coach's notability grows from what his players did, not from what two opponent players did in one contest out of the 116 Ara coached at ND. Sensei48 (talk) 23:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Good points of course, and wherever we end up I'm okay either way--it's a great article in my opinion.  To me, adding the additional clause about the last-play loss adds to the drama of the moment and to the emotion of the life of his coaching and career.  For me, it makes the article better.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:34, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

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