# Talk:Alexander Goehr

The lead appears to be a copyvio of the provided reference. Toccata quarta (talk) 07:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

It's sad that only now - after Goehr died - we notice that the article needs changes, desperately. Much of the text is simply copied from sources. It needs rephrasing or attribution as quotes. Some of these sources are known (Schott), others will need to be found. I have no access to Grove and MGG. Someone who does could work miracles.
While the article is rich in reflections about his style, facts such as people for whom he wrote and who premiered his works, and dates and locations of premieres, are missing but available in source. We should also have more reviews. Perhaps make the list of works a separate article. For starters. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Progress: we have now an obituary.
Problems:

The lead is not yet a summary.
Y It's more summary now, but could grow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
The biography is mixed with details about composition which would better be in the following sections.
The style is not always neutral, and some phrases feel like copied.
Y The referenced facts were rephrased but the others not yet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
There should be a Personal life section, children are mentioned in the infobox without reference.
We should strive for an article with only referenced facts to bring him to the Main page in the Recent deaths section which he deserves. A few days are left to do that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
We have now two obituaries, and both are mostly included as references. Several facts still a reference, and rephrasing.

We may want to use a consistent referencing system.
Y --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
I'll tackle this more tomorrow, but have done some preliminary work. In this edit I removed the mini POV-essay, which may contain possibly helpful information that can be cited in the future. – Aza24 (talk) 04:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for making a list of compositions and a navbox! I hope we can thus consolidate the article today, and polish more. We should have articles about pivotal compositions such as The Deluge (Goehr) and Psalm IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I am posting here so I don't derail the DYK thread. I added "as students" to the sentence about NMM as it is interesting that a student music group was a "distinctive, progressive force". However, do remove it if you think it is not needed.
The references for the New Music Manchester article are the Historical dictionary of modern and contemporary classical music, available on archive.org, and Grove, available via the Wikipedia Library. TSventon (talk) 18:19, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Can you perhaps expand from there. I have to deal with 3 recent deaths articles, supply better sources for a bio, want to get a Bach cantata ready for Sunday, and promised to finish a FAC review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 27 February 2025 (UTC)